October 13, 2023 • 47 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe speaks with her longtime friend and well-known jewelry designer Jennifer Fisher. Together, they talk about how Jennifer’s career began, and when she transitioned from styling to jewelry making. They also talk about their children, working with your husband, and what is next to come in Jennifer's life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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in the details. Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're
listening to Climbing in Heels. This show is all about
celebrating the most extraordinary superwomen who will be sharing their
(00:41):
incredible journeys to the top, all while staying glamorous. Today,
I'm speaking with a longtime Frint well known jewelry designer.
I am quite certain you've all heard of Jennifer Fisher. Together,
we talk about how Jennifer's career began and when she
transitioned from styling to jewelry designer, and of course how
it started with the birth of her firstborn child. Jen
(01:04):
also works with her husband and we definitely have a
ton in common.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Both all the highs all the lows, all.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The in betweens, but I think it's pretty clear she's
had quite a journey. I can't wait for you to
hear this interview, and I hope you love this episode
as much as I do. All Right, So we know
each other for what feels like one hundred years through
this crazy industry and when we launched our businesses almost
(01:32):
like the same time, at doing different things, but like
really we've been on a very similar trajectory in terms
of like timing. Your husband is your partner, Like, it's
pretty wild. Your brand is really incredibly strong, and after
I think twenty years since you've launched it, right about
(01:53):
more or less. I just dropped my son in college,
so wild, and I have babies, I have a ninety.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I messaged Geordie.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I said something about I saw you with your boys,
and I was like, I just don't blink, because you're
going to miss it.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It goes by so fast.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I don't miss it.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Literally, like don't miss anything, like be as be as
many things as you can be at because literally before
you know it, it's like you raise them.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You literally one weekend, Rachel dropped them off and that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's wild.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's weird, like a proof of life.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Like I have this funny group text with my with
his roommate's mom. Yeah, really cool. So we're like, oh
my god, we have a photo of them. They're okay
because they're pledging a fraternity too right now.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So it's like literally like, which, by the way, that's
the most scary thing ever because I've been through that
with like my friend's kids and my nephew. And I
said I'm going to Michigan and pulling him out of there.
I was like, there's no way where your My.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Son's at Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
And I got a call from this morning and he
like sounded kind of distressed, and it's like early in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm like, are you okay? Did you get to go
home last night?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
And then I got a call saying, Mom, I need
disposable clothes. I'm like, what do you need disposable clothes?
He's like, I just doing to you right now.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I'm in the face where my boys say that they're
going to UCLA or USC because they don't want to
be more than fifteen minutes for me. So that's going
to change obviously. And then you have my husband that
goes no, they have to leave the state, they have
to leave, they have to leave.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, you'll get to a point where you kind of
are like, they're going to do what they're going to do.
My daughter is a junior, and so she's going through
she's just starting going like at school and she's just
starting to go through seeing colleges and I'm doing this
sort of the meet and greets. And it's great because
she didn't want to talk about it, and then now
she's suddenly like, Okay, I know.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
That one school is not for me. Sure, I know
I want a bigger school. I know. I mean there's
still so little, Rachel, you still have so much time.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, but I'm mentoring the brutal phase. Now I'm ntoring
the middle school. And that is terrifying because what I say,
I eat kids and I'm just I'm just terrified.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Is the same advice I give to every mom who's
going into middle school. It's really more about making sure
that your kids you know, and an honor an amazing parent. No,
it's dealing with other kids who are not parents in
the same way or no. True, So it's really about
just making sure your kids are sort of you know,
they're talking about whatever happens, and if something happens, you
kind of just help them through, you know, because they
(04:10):
still need help with their.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Ag I actually think they need more. It's definitely.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
So it's kids are tough and they're so mean, and
you have to just deal with those other kids that
are like probably sad inside. And it's like, so that's
like how to teach your kids to be empathetic to
other kids that might be giving them a hard time
because you don't know what's going on at their house,
like all of that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
One hundred percent. You know, Well, that's like our life conversation.
So here's the thing. I first need to go back
a second, because everyone, like I can't go on Instagram
without seeing one of the most famous people in the
world wearing your jewelry. It's wild and I think that
you need to know that. And I'm going to go
(04:48):
back because I don't want to start there, but I
want to start there only to say that, like in
one of the most saturated parts of the fashion industry, right,
I would argue to say, you know, you started a
long time ago. You started before you know, social media
was launching brands left, right and center. You had gone
(05:08):
to which I didn't know a lot of personal stuff, right,
I mean really a lot of personal stuff which I
really didn't know. Because you've always been this kind of light,
loud force. And when I say loud, I mean that
as a compliment. Just you're not a wallflower. You know,
You're not that person. And I think, like for me,
you've always been this like big energy, big brand, like
(05:31):
say whatever you mean, mean what you say, kind of
person you know, And I think that's Listen, there are
some incredible women in our industry.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Like that, right that just say it, do it fearless.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But I think that you starting this brand in a
time that it wasn't a thing necessarily. But I first
want to just talk about a little bit. So are
you new worker through? And like where did you grow up?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I grew up in Monasito. I grew up in Barbara, California.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
When you grew up in like the dream, that's my.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
End, Montecito, like before like it turned into like what
it is.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well before I turned into East Hampton.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Exactly, and the Mirror mar was like our beach club.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But like you know, there was a hot dog cart
in a pool and we were put on the train
track and it was like you're almost getting hit by.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The train, almost like Coney Island, totally.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Like it was a completely unsupervised beach childhood. My grandfather
was actually a polo player though in Santa Barbara, so
my father even grew up there. My father went to
Monteseo Union, like we were like og original Monacito people. Yeah,
I started there and I went to USC.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I studied business marketing at USC. Wow before cool, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean that's why I credit a lot of like
the brands, you know, to where we are today. You know,
at the end of the day, I'm a marketer. At
the end of the day, I'm a businesswoman.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I thought I wanted to be the pub was sure
of Vogue magazine at one point. You know, I had
Vogue plaster on my wall when I was younger, and
I thought that, I really know, I always wanted to
work in fashion, but I wasn't really sure and what
where And it was literally, way not to interrupt you,
the exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I actually thought I was going to be a psychiatrist
for children, but yet I had Vogue all over my walls,
so like none of it made sense because I was
like I liked at Vogue, but I was like, yeah,
I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I can't work in that. That was like a foreign
I know, isn't that funny?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Like and that's you know, it's it's it's almost closer
than you imagine that. It is like you can you.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Can get there.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
But I got I got an internship when I was
at USC and I was literally I was on.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The bad side of him. It was La Style Member
La Style.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I too, and.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I watched the clothing racks go by and I was like,
this is I'm on the wrong side. And then I
got another internship with Detour working for gen Yang. Gen
Yang was my first boss I was when I became
a stylist.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I worked with Gene.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And still crushing it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
She's the best. She's honestly, I love her. She's a
she's so major.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I did not know that what yes, and we were
for the listeners.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Ginang as like a major, major, major stylist still who
was like one of the only stylists when I was
starting out. Honestly like that was she was always really
cool to me, the rest.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Of cool and she was so beautiful and so cool
and she I still were still friends. I love her
so much and uh so I after I did that
with her, I I kind of realized. I realized that
celebrity wasn't really for me in terms of styling.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I told me.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I was like, listen, I can make more money and commercials,
and so I was like, can I do this? So
I became a commercial stylist and I had like teams
of girl you know, boys and girls and assistants all
over the city. I was doing like you know, Amex
and bud Light, and I did that for ten years.
I worked there and spelling for a little bit. I
was one of the assistant costume designers on Sunset Beach
remember that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yes, Oh my god, I'm dead. Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I dated Matt Labloc Like, I mean, I'm like the
craziest stories we like see each other, the commissary at
NBC and like he literally when day like followed me
out of NBC on his motorcycle and pulled me over
on vnterurb Bulevard and asked me out for sushi.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I swear to god, it's a true story.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I'm dead right now.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did Joey I go into fame. Yeah,
So anyways, but I ended up in New York because
I met my husband, Kevin.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I actually was so funny.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
There's this guy Tim, who was like the hot lifeguard
on the on the Aaron Spelling Show, and he was
we were really really good friends. We were not romantically involved,
and he's like, hey, I got an apartment in New.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
York on Lexington. Let's go for the weekend. I'm gonna
go see this girl I'm dating.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And so I went with him and I met Kevin
at a bar because he was the cousin of one
of my best friends.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And you know, Kevin is now my husband.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And long story short, twenty two years later he now
runs my brands.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We live in New York.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Had both my kids in New York City after but
I got diagnosed with my desmoid tumor too, and I.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Did not know about that. Do you talk about that
a lot?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And I just didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I didn't know this. This is really interesting. They and
they told you not to have kids.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I told me not to have kids because my tumor
grows from estrogen.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
It's a weird soft tissue sarcoma that grows from estrogen,
and it grew. They think it's from scar tissue from
my breast and plants because they went in under my
arm pits to put them in, and it's like a
cheloid scar that goes crazy and turns into a tumor.
And it was like, it's like one in like five
hundred thousand people get these types of tumors, and a
lot of women get them in their uteruses after having kids.
It's like a scar tissue tumor. So I at the time,
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they didn't really know what these were. They thought they
thought it was breast cancer because it's literally right next
to my own best wall. So I went to a
breast cancer specialist here in LA. I actually found in
New York. Flew here to go to the breast cancer
specialist because Kevin's father was a doctor, and I was like,
you got to get intogether LA and see my friends.
And breast cancer doctor was like, it's not breast cancers.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It was very rare.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He cut into it, he shouldn't have. It's a very
rare tumor. And ended up at UCLA and they're like,
let's try chemotherapy.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It works sometimes.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
So I tried chemo and through twelve friends of high
dose METHOTREXI chemotherapy at Cedar Sinai and at Saint Vincent
in New York when I was.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Thirty three thirty, no, thirty.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, thir wild pain was when I was thirty three, yeah, wild,
but it worked in a shrunket. And I when I
wanted to have kids, Kevin, I wanted to have children.
My own colleges was like, no, you can't. You cannot
carry a baby. You have to get a surrogate. And
at the time, it was a legal in the state
of New York to have a surrogate carried for you,
but it was legal in New Jersey, Vermont, Florida, and California.
(11:18):
And Kevin grew up in Brentwood, so we're like, let's
just do it in California because we'll just have the
baby with the grandparents.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It'll be perfect timing.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
And at the time, I don't know what the process
exactly is now, but I don't think it's as tough.
But it was really hard and it was time consuming.
You're building photos her life together, you know. And so
we found an amazing surrogate, went through IVF here with
doctor Surrey in LA and did the whole transfer and
first time she got pregnant twelve weeks, miscarried. Second time,
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we did it again sixteen weeks. We saw a heartbeat,
we knew it was a boy. We named him Luke,
and then I went to Sacramento to go to her
just like a routine checkup, and there was no heart beat,
so we had to go through the dns SE.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I was like a loan and Sacramento and like horrible
and that she quit. And then I came back to
New York when through IVF on my own, got no
eggs and they're like, something's wrong.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You need to adopt. And that's when I got pregnant
with Shane, my son.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, miracle baby.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I know, he's my total miracle baby.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, and so total he It was a high risk pregnancy,
but it wasn't It.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Was totally fine. I had Shane, and when he was born,
people started to give me a little trinkets and gifts
like necklaces to represent them and I was like, I'm
not going to wear this. It's not like it's not cute, No.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
This is not I'm like, I want a heavy gold chain,
I want a dog tag, I want his full name.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So it's meaningful because it was took me friend, I
see your friend, And that's how it started. So I
started selling I honestly, Rachel.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I would wear it on set when I was a stylist,
and it was this instant conversation piece that everyone, like
the grips and the gappers and all the guys, would
and say what does that say? And I would say
it's my son, Shane, and then everyone automatically, oh my god.
My wife would want one, my sister would want one.
Can you make a difference shape? And I literally started
selling customized We'll find you, like back in the day,
before anyone was really doing it online.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I started.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You gave me one of my very most favorite bracelets
that literally sits in my jewelry box and I throw
it on all the time like it's it's the R
plus are equals S plus.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Kay spiriting equations before anyone, it was like back in
the day, well because but I really understand what you mean,
because you know, when I had my son, you know
very opposite story, which is it was I kept going,
I'll got pregnant next year, I'll get pregnant next year,
I'll get pregnant next year.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And then I was like God only knows, and all
of a sudden, I got pregnant and didn't even know it.
And I was nine weeks pregnant, didn't even know it,
and had Sky.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Whole life turned upside down.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Even when I went on the tour of Cedars, I
looked at Roger, like, three weeks before I was due,
I finally like, went on the tour, and I go,
I'm not doing this. I can't do this. I can't,
I can't. He goes, well, do you want to get
a C section? I'm like, I can't do it. I'm terrified,
like everything about me. I was terrified of being a mom.
(14:07):
I was terrified of pushing a human out of my body.
I was terrified to get cut open and take a
human out of my body. The whole thing was so
terrifying and other worldly. But yet my nickname has always
been you know, Mama's Oh, I'm the most loving. I'm
such a mom. But yet I couldn't wrap my head
around it. And and but when I had Sky, I
(14:28):
looked at him and my whole world just cracked. I
was like, I can't do anything else but look at
him all day. I don't know what to do with myself,
and I wanted to tattoo myself with his name.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I wanted jewelry.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think I had like his name, his birth date,
his eighty seven pieces of jewelry on me, and yours
being one of them, and or a few really quite
a few of them actually. But that's so interesting that
that's how it started. And I'm not a dainty jewelry girl.
So it's so interesting that you say that, and even
(15:04):
more so, like I've just been seeing more and more
and more.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Of your jewelry, like just it's wild.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's like it's almost like when you see you know,
when we were younger, and you'd see like the punch
Buggy orange, like you'd see the car while you're driving
and you would only see one and then you see
a hundred and I'm like, oh my god, there's so
and so and Jen for sher hoops. There she liked it,
So tell me. So you start, so everyone's stopping you
with this chunky necklace with your son's name, and you
(15:34):
just go, well, okay, what happens Like you're like, I'm
starting a business, or you're like this is it?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
So literally, it was one day we lived in Soho
on Green Street and a dream by the way. It
was a great apartment. I should have never sold it,
big mistake. It's not like above Tiffany's.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And I literally on my bedroom there was like orders everywhere.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And Kevin looked at me and he's like, Jen, I
think that this is a business. You need to start
a website. And that's like literally how it started. And
I just was like it. One night, I was like
on set and I was I think it was like
two in the morning or something, and I was like,
why the fuck am I here? Like why am I
doing this?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Still?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
This is like I mean, you're sure you had that moment,
you know, and like.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You're on set and like you're looking at aft service
and you're like, I need some more coffee, Like what,
I gotta get the fuck out.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And once you have children, it becomes a whole nother
game because you're like you're pulling me away from my baby,
So this better be really fucking worth it.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, And it literally was just like a natural. I
was like, you know what, let's give it a shot
and let's try it.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And so I started a website and I had like
literally like four different styles. It was like a circle
of hard, a star, and a moon, and you can
choose your chain. And it was like, you know, I
was saying the necklaces. Now that everyone connects the necklaces,
we were doing all that stuff back then, like we've
literally like we've been around a long time, so it's wild.
It started with the fine jewelry and then the recession
(16:55):
hit and well I did the VOCs IF Day Fashion Fund,
which you know, was fun, interesting experience, and you know,
I really never start wanted my business to have a
wholesale model because in jewelry, you know, all these poor
jewelers are out on consignment with these stores, you know,
for you know, millions of dollars, and it's like, oh,
we're just going to give it back.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
We don't want even more so now, oh it's terrible.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So you know we don't.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, So I didn't never wanted to wholesale my fine jewelry.
So the fine jewelry still to this day is direct
to consumer. But the hoops and then all the fashion
jewelry that really started because you know, you totally can
understand this, like I wanted to be on the cover
of Vogue magazine. I wanted to be in the cover
of magazines, and they're like terms, you know, and I
was like, Okay, I'm going to start making some other things.
And I started making really big, crazy pieces of jewelry.
(17:39):
They're kind of goth and skulls and lots of bones,
and it was just sort of my style at the time.
I was always kind of a tomboy and it it
just sort of was more of who I was. And
we started and then I started just doing you know,
more statement earrings and statement cups because I literally was
making bracelets, you know, like these, and you know, there's
like tens of thousands of dollars to get like, you know,
a place, and I was like, there's got to be
(18:00):
a cheaper way to do this. So we started doing
it in brass and plating it in gold. And that's
when Barneys came to me and they're like, we heard
about you from three different people in one day.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
We need you in co op.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And so I started selling those pieces that were plated
to Barney's.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
When rip, so sad Barney Barney's.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I know, Jeffrey sorr ip Barney's rip.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I know. I keep saying someone needs to restart another
like multi. I would love to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think the closest thing is in is Dover Street probably.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Right, Yeah, there's really there's really not a lot of places.
I just I feel like it was such you know,
it's like back in the day it was like Fred
Siegell and like, you know, too hard. It's just different now,
but that's how the fashions are. And then I started
getting covers, you know, we started getting covers and covers
and covers from all of this jewelry that wasn't you know, delicate,
(18:49):
fine jewelry, and it was just it was more statement.
And that's really how it just started to evolve. And
you know, listen, I've always been a marketer. I knew
that I you know, and we still did this day.
Do not pay celebrities to wear are the jewelry at all?
Like the biggest compliment is like if you see j
Lo like coming out of the gym and hoops not
being styled, they choose to wear it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And that's the best brand credit you can get.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Because the dream it's part of their daily uniform. I mean,
that's the dream I think for any designer, right, Like
it's a choice. It's like I'm in my closet or
I'm in my jewelry drawer. And I'm choosing this right,
like that's and these are people who have everything can have. Yeah,
it can't pay for that, No, you literally can't. And
(19:29):
I think we'll try, but you can't. Yeah, you know.
I think we come from a time where authenticity was
really a thing, and I think we still really hope
and dream that it is and it is and it isn't,
and it goes and it comes in the pendulum swings
and you know, all the things. But I think at
the end of the day, the life of an entrepreneur
(19:52):
is the most and a very common thread on this
podcast is that as successful as the women are, there's
just so much pain involved, and there's so much challenge,
and every day is different and you have no idea
and right when you put out one fire, another one comes.
And the lows are the lowest and the highs are
the highest, honestly, right. But I think we're all in
(20:12):
this insanity together, and I think that, you know, I
think another thing that we really have in common that
a few of the women that I've had on here
share is that.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You work with your husband.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I do.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Talk about that because I have worked with my husband.
Now I think since two thousand and nine, he was
an investment banker and a tech entrepreneur and you know,
totally different part of We do very different things.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
There are moments where I want to.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Literally kill him, and I want to talk to you
about that, because I mean, what was Kevin doing before
that he was like, Hey, let's do this business together,
or were you like, hey, I need help, Like how.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Did it happen? As a CEO? Fashion already?
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well it really was.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Hey I need help because I am not finance is
not my is not my j Mine.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I really am great at it. Sure, the worst thing ever.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I literally was like help, and he like, you know, thankfully.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
He was sort of coming to terms with his career
in finance and he was like, I'm kind of ready
to get out of it.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I'm going to come help you. And then he just
never left. It's not to say that he's going to
be here forever, but he's here now.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
And it's really you know, he would say that it's
easier working with me than I say with him.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's just I think it's more he's like, no, you
can't do that, or we can't do this, or.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
You know, he's he's such an easy going guy and
he's like such the yin to my yang.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So it's like that's why it works. I mean very
twenty years, you know, it's it's just similar. Yeah, because
we were twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Together for thirty two married.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
That's a long time. You didn't realize, you guys in
a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Wow, legitimately a life who got married at the Rainberg
twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Oh that's a dream.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It was a dream. It was like one of the
most fun nights ever, I'm sure. And now I'm thinking
about it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I know that's so we have to talk about that too,
because I've done I've done. I've done too, I've done a.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Bar, so we can talk about that, and I can
talk about offline and what to do and what not.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I have done both large scale.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So but okay, So you work with your husband, you
live with your husband, and I imagine that two thousand
people ask you on the daily how do you do that?
Because I get asked it almost every day. How do
you parent? How do you co CEO? How do you
do it together and not want to kill each other.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So he's the most amazing father in the entire world.
He's a better father than I am a mother.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
He's very patient, and you know, we've been a team
raising these kids. And then you just want leaves, and
then the other one's going to leave. We're gonna be
empty nesters in two years. It's so crazy. It's literally
it works because we don't work in the same office currently.
So we have a Fifth Avenue flagship, which was originally
like our first show room to turn into a store,
and then now we have got our store and soho,
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so I'm kind of moving.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Around a lot. He's kind of me in meeting.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So we when I at the end, when I'm cooking
dinner is normally we can talk about the salt and
the kicklater, but when I'm cooking dinner sort of when
we catch up. So the problem is is that you're
never off and you never you know that it's like
twenty four to seven, you're it's like an email will
come through, you'll get a text, we'll get a slack
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and it's like we've got on this call on this.
But it's literally like being a it's a family unit team,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's and what do you rather him than someone that
you were questioning?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
That's the thing. I mean, you trust them.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So it's it's you know, at some point I'm kind
of I'm like, well maybe, but I don't you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
We'll see where it is, we'll see the same.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We're growing and changing and I don't know. I can't.
I don't want to say never.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
But like, you know, he's he probably be happier going
and working in like Wavepool technology because he serves and
he's invested in something like that. That's that's that's opening
in like Palm Springs. I think you must rather be
doing that, so see where we go. But but now
it's it's the cool thing is it's allowed us. And
I'm sure you and Roger have this exact same experience
of like being able to do you know, run your
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brand and do everything and and to parents together. It
really kind of very I have to say, I that's
one thing that I would not take back. And I
haven't actually ever talked about this before. I'm just sort
of realizing this as I'm talking to you. Like the
experience that we've had in being able to be around
more together, parent our kids together, such a gift.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yes, what I hate saying COVID is a gift because
it wasn't a gift.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
When I say, exactly the same way.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Of like having my kids home in those years of
like being those teenagers where they'd be out running and partying.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
In New York City like and all of that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And figuring out what to do with am I you know,
with the business during COVID that running, which is a
whole other story, like it together. I mean, it's a
really amazing bond that as a family unit that your
kids get to also learn from, and it's just it's
a very good model for them to sort of fallow,
you know what I mean, it follows on each other.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I totally I totally agree, and I think you're one
hundred percent agree on all accounts. I think, like Roger
and I always say, like, you know, we've been close
with the Massoni family forever, right, and we used to
watch their business and just be like, what a beautiful
thing that they can like roll as a family, roll
as a pack, like Divide and conquered. They all have
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one goal, right, And I think for us it was
always like, Okay, we are going to New York for
whatever CFDA awards or we're doing. It was us right.
We would take our kids. We didn't have to have
these totally separate lives. And again, pros and cons, right,
but I think overall the pros really outweigh the cons.
And I think I think there are those moments where
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I'm like, oh my God, leave my house, leave my room,
leave my everything, and then you know, but at the
same time, it's like it really allows you the freedom
when you have children to really be that model for
them and stay together, and that's really nice.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I don't know if you realize it or if people
will tell you this enough but you really can tell
how well you guys parent those boys and how much
your kids you know, And I actually, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I saw you one night.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I didn't want to interrupt you because you're with your
son and I was having a group dinner and I
saw you with him, and it was just you were
so engaged with him.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I just wanted to give.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
You that coming because I was like, this, that's a
real mothering mom.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You know, really leave them, I really don't leave them.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Really beautiful to see, and I was I didn't want
to interrupt you, so I didn't, but just just.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You're doing amazing.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's you know, it's it's, without question, the thing I
love most. And I I choose not to leave them
unless I have to, you know, But I but I,
but I I want to give you, well, first of all,
thank you, and it's probably the best compliment you could
ever give me. So thank you. And oh I could
see again. And I think this stuff is really hard.
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I think it's all hard. I think what I want
to give you credit for is you're actually you're like
starting a whole nother business. And I want to talk
about that because all of a sudden one of my
really good friends, Ali and Maradone, who's one of the
most favorite people.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's one of my heart for ten years, twelve years,
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And she's amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And she started talking about your salts and I was like,
I'm sorry, what it's like jewelry. She's like salt, yes, jewelry,
of course, but like salt. And I'm like, talk to me,
so please tell me, because you are this like you
have so much energy. You have so much energy, right,
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And then all of a sudden, I see you posting
about cooking and these seasonings and I'm like, hold on, what,
like what just happened? And so please tell me about
this and why. Obviously it's a passion and obviously you
love cooking.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's honestly, Rachel. It's like one of those things like
the jewelry. It started. It started because I couldn't find
what I wanted, so I made my own. It's literally
like how it started.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I have hashimotos so I have an autoimmune disorder.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So my mother, well I intermitten fast. Now, I mean
most women, a lot of people have it. People should
get for it.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I get tested.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I get tested yeah, you need to, especially moones and
all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But that's the whole other thing we can talk about.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
But I wanted to find something to put on my
eggs in the morning because I love poach eggs and
would always eat eggs in the morning.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I literally like scour like I would go to like
I mean, like when Tina d Luca was around, I
would go to like any like you know, amazing specialty
grocery store, and I was trying to find like the
right salt and the right blend of things that I
wanted to eat, and there was nothing out there. It
was like a rub or like potpourri. And I was like,
this is crazy, this is like literally insane. So I
my father used to ship me in New York h
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lemons and avocados from his trees, and I would know,
for real, I get these I get these USPS boxes
and I'd open weapon.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It's always lemons and avocados.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
My mom and dad would always do that, and so
I would grate the lemon the lemon rind because I
never wanted to waste anything, and I would try it
and I would use it.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I always cooked. My mom sent me to cooking class
after school, and I love it. Oh we should cook.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I mean I don't do it because I mean I
cook for my kids. But like I don't cook cook
because I just.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I don't cook cook with like the rest of these
are like the like stupid reath.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
My respies are like I don't want to say stupid,
but like my recipes are literally like for dummies. Like
it's like one of those things. It's fool proof, it's
the easiest thing. I didn't go to like real cooking school.
I went to cooking school in sixth grade. I learned
how to make bounties and an orange julius. Like it's
literally that's my skill set. But for some reason it
really relaxes me. And I, you know, I think you
know all day and so when I get in the kitchen,
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I start like chopping an onion. It's like it's literally
like my body relaxes and I feel like a different person.
And I used to always say I don't go to therapy,
I cook, But no, then I started going to therapy
because my father died, So I can't really.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Say that anymore. But I'm not currently in therapy.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
But I that was always my motto because it really
works for me and I I I it just relaxed me.
So anyway, So I had this little blend of salts
on the side of my stove and as one did
you'll remember this on Instagram when everyone was putting their
freaking avocado toast.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
On Instagram and bad. So I built it. I did
it on.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
My jewelry account and literally more people were like what.
First of all, you can poach an egg? That's crazy,
and how do you know how to cook? And then
second of all, it was before DMS, it was like
comments and it was like then it was like, well,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
What's seasoning is that on your eggs?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And I was like, oh, it's this stuff that I like,
you know, keep on the side of my stove and whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And then like, well where do you buy it? And
I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
And it was like literally more people asking about the
food than like than jewelry and celebrities.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
So I was like, this is crazy. And so we
did a holiday gifting to editors.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
You know what that feels like, you get them just
everywhere Christmas and no one wants a chocolate bar with
my face or logo. So I was like, you know what,
let's give everybody something healthy that they can eat at
their desk when there were editors at desks and offices,
because I was like, you know, they're stuck in the
office late, so we give me avocado, a lemon, some
spicy saluce, some chili oil, and some like clean tortilla chips.
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And I was like, here's you know, a little thing
on how to make your desk mash so like healthy
when you're stuck there eight o'clock, writing like a you know,
gift guide. So I literally we did, and we literally
got I got more like thank you notes from like
editor in chiefs of magazines and like you know who
of like people that while genius, like smart thing to do,
and I was like, I wasn't trying to be and
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genius are smart. I just was sending you guys something
that I thought would work. It was just like I
thought you would like it. And food really resonates with people,
and I had no idea how powerful feeding people is,
and you know, people just want to feel good and
people people, what do we do three times a day?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
We eat?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, But also I think it goes back to the
fact that you're a marketer at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Day, right, I'm a hustler.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You're a hustler, you're a marketer, and you're a product person,
like at the end of the day, and I think,
you know, I've seen a lot of teasers on your
social you're launching something new, You're.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Launching so many things.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
And we have a new well I mean my new
website which we've worked on for months and now it's disappeared,
and do space.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
It's coming back. It's coming back, and it's going to
come back even better.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
They're like, we don't know, it's just gone.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I don't even understand how that what that could even
or at all, you can't Maybe so many people wanted
the hoops that it crashed.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It's like when you have like big dev guys and
like they're looking at and they're like, we literally like
can't figure it out.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, of course, it's like a doctor telling you they've
never seen this before.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, exactly great, exactly right, and you're like, oh, I
won't worry.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
At all, right, right, right, that makes me feel so
much better.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So no, we you know, we're launching there's a lot
of things that are coming, a lot of exciting things.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
A lot of changes. You know.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
We we needed the website, We needed an evolution of
the brand, and we needed to sort of free brand
and it needed to not just be me anymore. You know,
at one point we were using models and then we
went to me and then you.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Convert way higher.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
That's why gay higher and so but then you know
you're talking to people, you know, because I'm we we
don't have any outside investment or investors, but we will
be taking that and will be growing and you know,
the top of it can only be top of funnel,
you know what that's like. So it's like, just be
everything because what if I get hit by train tomorrow
or something. So you've got to No one wants to
invest in that. So we had to bring in some
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new characters and so it looks really beautiful and it's
really exciting. It's going to be a new you know,
we haven't scrapped it and restarted in a very long time,
and we needed to fix you know, a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And you know, everyone's shopping on their phones.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Now, you know, it's different, you know, you people are
on their phones shopping. So we just had to really
kind of you know, turn it around and it's it's
a much better experience and you know, new PDP photography
and it's just all of it. You know, it's amazing
we even sold anything. We didn't even show charms on model.
Like it's literally mind boggling that we actually even sold
an a jewelry over the last eighteen years.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
It's like crazy, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
How well, what do you mean, you don't know how
I mean? I mean, of course, it's like it's like
a cult fear. I mean, it's it's amazing. I think
that's the thing. And I think that's the one thing
that I really want to touch on is you know,
it's not easy building a brand.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I know that, and it's only through the process of
years ago meeting like a lot of you know, people
in suits talking to me about my brand and talking
to me about my business and people who don't even
speak the same language. But you know, the one thing
they did say to me that was a big takeaway
for me and something I took for granted that I
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want to commend you for is that, you know what
they said to me and every single meeting was you've
done the hard part. You've actually built the brand and
that is the hardest thing to do. And I don't
think I really understood what they meant by that because
it's me the same as you. When it's you, you
don't realize that you're building the brand because it's you, right,
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So it's like, this is your business. So like now
that you know I have all these different extensions and
partnerships and licenses and all these different things, it's like, okay, wait,
this is exciting the brand. The name means something to people,
because I'm so in it, I don't mean something to myself.
I'm so over myself, right, So it's like it's like
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I couldn't be more sick of myself. It's sort of
like what I want to say is that twenty years later,
you know, and working with your husband and doing all
these things and launching, you know, your seasonings and launching
other categories and launching all these things and relaunching your website,
and you know, it's a lot, and it's really fucking hard,
and it's really hard and as a parent and co parenting,
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it's just all a lot. And so I see you
first of all, and second of all, like you know,
I want to really just give you the highest compliment
on that, because it's not easy. And I think to
even like even at this point in life, at this stage,
at this age in the business and the business changing
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and constantly changing your business to fit the business, you know,
it's like it's the thing, right, And I think at
the end of the day, it's it's a hard road
that always continues to be hard. And I want to
point that out for our listeners because it's sort of like,
you know, they see Jennifer Fisher and they see who
you are on your social and they see you know,
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everyone from j Loo to Taylor Swift to this person
that person wearing your jewelry, and you know, I think
that it's sort of like the brand is so large
and the whatever, but you're on the inside of that, right,
and it's sort of like, hey, those struggles are real.
And we've had everyone from you know, Candice Nelson, Mony Glulier,
We've had everyone on here talking about the building of
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the brand and the and the and the journey there, right,
And so for you, now what what like you go
to sleep terrified, you wake up terrified, You get excited.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah I do, and it's lonely too.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I think that not enough women support other women in
like of what we're doing, and it's a very lonely space.
People don't realize that. They see us on social they
see us at parties, they see us with famous people,
they see us like, you know, and they think that, like,
but at the end of the day, it's a very
lonely road. And it's it's terrifying daily and it's it's
really really fucking hard, Like it is. It is constantly
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being able to pivot on a dime and come back
and like, Okay.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
We're here at the event and you're dressed and you
look this way and you've you know, and no one
knows that the terror that you've gone through that day,
and then you still show up.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You know. It's Listen, it takes a certain person.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
To be able to do it, and not everyone is
built to do what we do, and that's okay, but
those of us that do it and are in it,
we really love it. You would not be doing this
if we did not live for this and die for this. Like,
I literally love what I do. I feel so grateful
that I am here every day and have the opportunity
to be in terror and to like live this this
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dream it's just it's going to pay off, you know,
and it's like it's really you know, and in this day.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
And age is also I want to touch on. You know,
people think it's so easy to start a brand.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
They think they can just go down wherever and buy
some jewelry and put it on Instagram and say that
they are a brand now and whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And it's just it's different these days.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
And I think the key, like with you and I
is like really just staying true to like who we
really are. Like I'm also I'm shifty too, like I
don't you know, if you don't like me, that's okay,
you know what I mean, there's gonna be twenty other
people that do, and it's pinny more of that don't.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And it's that's just life. You know.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
None of us like the word same sneakers, none of
us like the same clothes. Like it's that's that's totally okay.
And I think you have to finally be okay with
that and stop looking around, and then that's when things
can really change and be transformative for you. I think
when you're kind of like this is just me, take
it or leave it, and if you don't, that's okay,
no hard feelings.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Like it's like the minute you stop giving a fuck
what people think, that's exactly right, right, and then all
of a sudden, the peace gate to open.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah, like I really I really like anymore.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It's like it's like, okay, you know, I don't fine,
you know, and that's all right, and I'm not mad
about it. It doesn't you know, Yeah, you just sometimes it
hurts your feelings. But like I'm older, like I've got kids,
Like I don't have time this shit, like you know
what I mean, Like move on?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
So what what excites you the most? Like what's next?
What's next? As we look forward, because right now you're everywhere,
you're relaunching.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Once this your website reappears.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
We've tonight when it comes back and all its perfection
and it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Great it comes baxt night. I literally yeah, it's coming back.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
I have to like I didn't take to show, Like
I have to go from I'm going from this right
now to go do a party at my store on
this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
The biggest thing that you're excited about.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Now for that brand, No, there's you know, we're going
into different things. You know, Listen, there's the food.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
There's and I know we didn't talk about my CD
two collaboration that I did with CB two. I did
a whole line of furniture and home with them.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, and that was that was literally.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
What we were going into COVID. Like my my swirl
dish out. I did this black and white kind of
gray swirl dish and it's like twelve dollars. It outsold
the white dish on their website. So like that was
like a really fun partnership. So it's I'm working on
a cookbook. We just finished the proposal that's going. I
didn't really us it takes so long to do books.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I know, I like watching the page each one of
each one of my books took a full year and
then you promote it.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
They're telling me like two years, Like I got to
get this out. This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's wild.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
It's wild. Wild.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It's that process like where there's so many things and
it's like it's wild.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
And I was literally like, okay, this next, it's like crazy.
So it's it's listen.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm really happy and grateful that like I get to
do all of this stuff because it's every day is different.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I'd be so bored if I had a different type
of job.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
You know, I I don't know exactly where I'm going,
and I feel like that's okay, and that's you'll you
know what it's like when you're talking to the suits,
So like, what's your five year plan?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I don't know what my tomorrow freaking plan is. What
are you talking about, right.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
That's your three to five year plan. I'm like, everything
changes every day.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I want to talk about the three to six month
plan because I can talk to you about that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I know what I'm doing in La Listen.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's scary, but you look for it and baby too,
You're still standing and I standing.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
We're doing it, friend, Like it's not easy and parenting
in it and like everything in it. Like people think,
you know, it looks easy. It is the furthest thing
from it.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I mean, it's like it's like, what's the opposite of easy?
And don't say difficult because that's not even the right word.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
But we do.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, And so I think it's the fear, but it's
the excitement. And I think at the end of the
day you're doing it, I'm personally very excited to see
all the things, and you know, I'm a fan, and
we all love it and just keep doing it and
you look gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Thank you. While we were talking about, well that's.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
What we're going to really talk about.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That talk about need I need to really need to
really talk about that book out anyway, seriously, huge, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You have so much fucking energy. I love it.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I literally love it. I think it's so contagious. I
love it, and I I love how much you love me.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, I really I'm really happy that, like we're getting
to know each other, Like I think you're I think
you're rad.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
And I were you coming up to me at a
party at the Bowery. Do you remember this? You came
up to me at a party at the Bowery.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I introduced myself to you.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
If you came over to me and you go Rachel
Jennifer Fisher. I was like, oh my god, and you
were like.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Why aren't we friends? And I was like, I don't know,
Like it was sort of like I was.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Like, I do you remember that? I do remember that?
Because I was like, no, no, I think Rachel so
doesn't like me. So I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I like everybody, you have to really fuck me over
for me not to like.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
You, and I was like, Hi, I'm gonna say hi,
Like I'm one of those like I'm so not shy.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I'm like, I go talk to that person like you? Why? Why?
Why be shy? What a waste of time? I know.
I love it. I'm so happy we're connected now. And
thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Oh my god, I'm so happy you came on and
we have so much more to talk about, so so
much more, and just keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Thank you too.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I'm here for it, killing it, five it.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
It's that time in the show when I answer to
listener questions. So let's see what we have today. What
is your favorite transitional jacket for fall? I live in
the Southeast and it's just starting to cool off. I
have so many jackets. I am a jacket collector. I
think of all the things I have in my collection,
(44:30):
I think I have the most jackets and coats because
I just love them, and I can make an argument
or a story or an excuse to wear any weight
coat in any type of weather. But I would say
my favorite transitional jacket for fall, I think is always
like a midweight leather or suede jacket. I have a
few with fringe that I love because I never get
(44:51):
sick of wearing fringe. I love a Moto jacket. I
have one with gold hardware. I have one with silver hardware,
you know, in brown, in black. I think jackets like
that that you can sort of wear on your shoulders,
you know, or wear on with just even a simple
T shirt and jeans, I think is always fun and
of course, like a black blazer would be something to
(45:12):
just have in anyone's wardrobe to wear all year round
with pretty much anything. Dress it up or dress it down,
but it's always the best transitional jacket for fall. Okay,
second question, My kids are back to school and I
was wondering if you send your kids to school with
a packed lunch or do they eat lunch from school.
It's a very funny question actually, because as siblings are different.
(45:35):
My older son's guy I've like, have not packed lunch
for him since he was maybe in first grade, and
my younger son, Caius will only.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Eat my lunch.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Basically, he has hot lunch maybe one or two days
a week at school, but other than that I pack
him a lunch because he always wants mommy's lunch and
he's very picky. Don't forget to submit your questions for
next week's episode. All you have to do is dm
us your questions to at Climbing in Heels pod on
Instagram and I may just answer your question. I want
(46:18):
to thank Jen so much for coming on. I want
to thank her for being the most candid honest. I
think she's just a straight shooter. She really just says
what she means, means what she says. She does not
hold back on anything, which I just always have so
much admiration for because I, you know, I'm definitely I
(46:39):
think a little more reserved for sure, and I think,
you know, I kind of love that fearlessness about her.
I learned so much in this episode. I mean, I
cannot believe that she found out she had cancer before
she had her kids, had two surrogates that didn't work,
and then was told not to have children, and then
had too healthy children naturally, which is just you know,
(47:03):
it kind of shows you you manifest you dream, two
miracle babies, and then really launching a career out of
a dream and something she loves. And I think many
of us who are these female entrepreneurs, the fight is
always real, the challenges are real, the winds are huge,
the falls are huge, and you just feel things really deeply.
And I think it's ten times more when you work
(47:26):
with your husband, because it's your whole life, it's your
whole family, it's the stakes are very high all the time.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
So I hope you loved this episode as much as
I did.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
And as always, don't forget to write a review wherever
you get your podcasts. It really helps us and I
love reading them. And while you're at it, follow me
on at Rachel Zo and at Climbing in Hills pod
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Speaker 2 (47:52):
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incredible journeys to the top, all while staying glamorous. Today,
I'm speaking with a longtime Frint well known jewelry designer.
I am quite certain you've all heard of Jennifer Fisher. Together,
we talk about how Jennifer's career began and when she
transitioned from styling to jewelry designer, and of course how
it started with the birth of her firstborn child. Jen
(01:04):
also works with her husband and we definitely have a
ton in common.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Both all the highs all the lows, all.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The in betweens, but I think it's pretty clear she's
had quite a journey. I can't wait for you to
hear this interview, and I hope you love this episode
as much as I do. All Right, So we know
each other for what feels like one hundred years through
this crazy industry and when we launched our businesses almost
(01:32):
like the same time, at doing different things, but like
really we've been on a very similar trajectory in terms
of like timing. Your husband is your partner, Like, it's
pretty wild. Your brand is really incredibly strong, and after
I think twenty years since you've launched it, right about
(01:53):
more or less. I just dropped my son in college,
so wild, and I have babies, I have a ninety.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I messaged Geordie.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I said something about I saw you with your boys,
and I was like, I just don't blink, because you're
going to miss it.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It goes by so fast.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I don't miss it.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Literally, like don't miss anything, like be as be as
many things as you can be at because literally before
you know it, it's like you raise them.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
You literally one weekend, Rachel dropped them off and that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's wild.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's weird, like a proof of life.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Like I have this funny group text with my with
his roommate's mom. Yeah, really cool. So we're like, oh
my god, we have a photo of them. They're okay
because they're pledging a fraternity too right now.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So it's like literally like, which, by the way, that's
the most scary thing ever because I've been through that
with like my friend's kids and my nephew. And I
said I'm going to Michigan and pulling him out of there.
I was like, there's no way where your My.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Son's at Wisconsin.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
And I got a call from this morning and he
like sounded kind of distressed, and it's like early in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm like, are you okay? Did you get to go
home last night?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
And then I got a call saying, Mom, I need
disposable clothes. I'm like, what do you need disposable clothes?
He's like, I just doing to you right now.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I'm in the face where my boys say that they're
going to UCLA or USC because they don't want to
be more than fifteen minutes for me. So that's going
to change obviously. And then you have my husband that
goes no, they have to leave the state, they have
to leave, they have to leave.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, you'll get to a point where you kind of
are like, they're going to do what they're going to do.
My daughter is a junior, and so she's going through
she's just starting going like at school and she's just
starting to go through seeing colleges and I'm doing this
sort of the meet and greets. And it's great because
she didn't want to talk about it, and then now
she's suddenly like, Okay, I know.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
That one school is not for me. Sure, I know
I want a bigger school. I know. I mean there's
still so little, Rachel, you still have so much time.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, but I'm mentoring the brutal phase. Now I'm ntoring
the middle school. And that is terrifying because what I say,
I eat kids and I'm just I'm just terrified.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Is the same advice I give to every mom who's
going into middle school. It's really more about making sure
that your kids you know, and an honor an amazing parent. No,
it's dealing with other kids who are not parents in
the same way or no. True, So it's really about
just making sure your kids are sort of you know,
they're talking about whatever happens, and if something happens, you
kind of just help them through, you know, because they
(04:10):
still need help with their.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Ag I actually think they need more. It's definitely.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
So it's kids are tough and they're so mean, and
you have to just deal with those other kids that
are like probably sad inside. And it's like, so that's
like how to teach your kids to be empathetic to
other kids that might be giving them a hard time
because you don't know what's going on at their house,
like all of that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
One hundred percent. You know, Well, that's like our life conversation.
So here's the thing. I first need to go back
a second, because everyone, like I can't go on Instagram
without seeing one of the most famous people in the
world wearing your jewelry. It's wild and I think that
you need to know that. And I'm going to go
(04:48):
back because I don't want to start there, but I
want to start there only to say that, like in
one of the most saturated parts of the fashion industry, right,
I would argue to say, you know, you started a
long time ago. You started before you know, social media
was launching brands left, right and center. You had gone
(05:08):
to which I didn't know a lot of personal stuff, right,
I mean really a lot of personal stuff which I
really didn't know. Because you've always been this kind of light,
loud force. And when I say loud, I mean that
as a compliment. Just you're not a wallflower. You know,
You're not that person. And I think, like for me,
you've always been this like big energy, big brand, like
(05:31):
say whatever you mean, mean what you say, kind of
person you know, And I think that's Listen, there are
some incredible women in our industry.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Like that, right that just say it, do it fearless.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But I think that you starting this brand in a
time that it wasn't a thing necessarily. But I first
want to just talk about a little bit. So are
you new worker through? And like where did you grow up?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I grew up in Monasito. I grew up in Barbara, California.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
When you grew up in like the dream, that's my.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
End, Montecito, like before like it turned into like what
it is.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well before I turned into East Hampton.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Exactly, and the Mirror mar was like our beach club.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But like you know, there was a hot dog cart
in a pool and we were put on the train
track and it was like you're almost getting hit by.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The train, almost like Coney Island, totally.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Like it was a completely unsupervised beach childhood. My grandfather
was actually a polo player though in Santa Barbara, so
my father even grew up there. My father went to
Monteseo Union, like we were like og original Monacito people. Yeah,
I started there and I went to USC.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I studied business marketing at USC. Wow before cool, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean that's why I credit a lot of like
the brands, you know, to where we are today. You know,
at the end of the day, I'm a marketer. At
the end of the day, I'm a businesswoman.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I thought I wanted to be the pub was sure
of Vogue magazine at one point. You know, I had
Vogue plaster on my wall when I was younger, and
I thought that, I really know, I always wanted to
work in fashion, but I wasn't really sure and what
where And it was literally, way not to interrupt you,
the exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I actually thought I was going to be a psychiatrist
for children, but yet I had Vogue all over my walls,
so like none of it made sense because I was
like I liked at Vogue, but I was like, yeah,
I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I can't work in that. That was like a foreign
I know, isn't that funny?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Like and that's you know, it's it's it's almost closer
than you imagine that. It is like you can you.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Can get there.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
But I got I got an internship when I was
at USC and I was literally I was on.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
The bad side of him. It was La Style Member
La Style.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I too, and.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I watched the clothing racks go by and I was like,
this is I'm on the wrong side. And then I
got another internship with Detour working for gen Yang. Gen
Yang was my first boss I was when I became
a stylist.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I worked with Gene.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And still crushing it.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
She's the best. She's honestly, I love her. She's a
she's so major.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I did not know that what yes, and we were
for the listeners.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Ginang as like a major, major, major stylist still who
was like one of the only stylists when I was
starting out. Honestly like that was she was always really
cool to me, the rest.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Of cool and she was so beautiful and so cool
and she I still were still friends. I love her
so much and uh so I after I did that
with her, I I kind of realized. I realized that
celebrity wasn't really for me in terms of styling.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I told me.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I was like, listen, I can make more money and commercials,
and so I was like, can I do this? So
I became a commercial stylist and I had like teams
of girl you know, boys and girls and assistants all
over the city. I was doing like you know, Amex
and bud Light, and I did that for ten years.
I worked there and spelling for a little bit. I
was one of the assistant costume designers on Sunset Beach
remember that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yes, Oh my god, I'm dead. Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I dated Matt Labloc Like, I mean, I'm like the
craziest stories we like see each other, the commissary at
NBC and like he literally when day like followed me
out of NBC on his motorcycle and pulled me over
on vnterurb Bulevard and asked me out for sushi.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I swear to god, it's a true story.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I'm dead right now.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did Joey I go into fame. Yeah,
So anyways, but I ended up in New York because
I met my husband, Kevin.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I actually was so funny.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
There's this guy Tim, who was like the hot lifeguard
on the on the Aaron Spelling Show, and he was
we were really really good friends. We were not romantically involved,
and he's like, hey, I got an apartment in New.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
York on Lexington. Let's go for the weekend. I'm gonna
go see this girl I'm dating.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And so I went with him and I met Kevin
at a bar because he was the cousin of one
of my best friends.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And you know, Kevin is now my husband.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And long story short, twenty two years later he now
runs my brands.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We live in New York.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Had both my kids in New York City after but
I got diagnosed with my desmoid tumor too, and I.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Did not know about that. Do you talk about that
a lot?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And I just didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I didn't know this. This is really interesting. They and
they told you not to have kids.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I told me not to have kids because my tumor
grows from estrogen.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
It's a weird soft tissue sarcoma that grows from estrogen,
and it grew. They think it's from scar tissue from
my breast and plants because they went in under my
arm pits to put them in, and it's like a
cheloid scar that goes crazy and turns into a tumor.
And it was like, it's like one in like five
hundred thousand people get these types of tumors, and a
lot of women get them in their uteruses after having kids.
It's like a scar tissue tumor. So I at the time,
(10:19):
they didn't really know what these were. They thought they
thought it was breast cancer because it's literally right next
to my own best wall. So I went to a
breast cancer specialist here in LA. I actually found in
New York. Flew here to go to the breast cancer
specialist because Kevin's father was a doctor, and I was like,
you got to get intogether LA and see my friends.
And breast cancer doctor was like, it's not breast cancers.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It was very rare.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
He cut into it, he shouldn't have. It's a very
rare tumor. And ended up at UCLA and they're like,
let's try chemotherapy.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It works sometimes.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
So I tried chemo and through twelve friends of high
dose METHOTREXI chemotherapy at Cedar Sinai and at Saint Vincent
in New York when I was.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Thirty three thirty, no, thirty.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, thir wild pain was when I was thirty three, yeah, wild,
but it worked in a shrunket. And I when I
wanted to have kids, Kevin, I wanted to have children.
My own colleges was like, no, you can't. You cannot
carry a baby. You have to get a surrogate. And
at the time, it was a legal in the state
of New York to have a surrogate carried for you,
but it was legal in New Jersey, Vermont, Florida, and California.
(11:18):
And Kevin grew up in Brentwood, so we're like, let's
just do it in California because we'll just have the
baby with the grandparents.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It'll be perfect timing.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
And at the time, I don't know what the process
exactly is now, but I don't think it's as tough.
But it was really hard and it was time consuming.
You're building photos her life together, you know. And so
we found an amazing surrogate, went through IVF here with
doctor Surrey in LA and did the whole transfer and
first time she got pregnant twelve weeks, miscarried. Second time,
(11:45):
we did it again sixteen weeks. We saw a heartbeat,
we knew it was a boy. We named him Luke,
and then I went to Sacramento to go to her
just like a routine checkup, and there was no heart beat,
so we had to go through the dns SE.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I was like a loan and Sacramento and like horrible
and that she quit. And then I came back to
New York when through IVF on my own, got no
eggs and they're like, something's wrong.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You need to adopt. And that's when I got pregnant
with Shane, my son.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, miracle baby.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I know, he's my total miracle baby.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, and so total he It was a high risk pregnancy,
but it wasn't It.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Was totally fine. I had Shane, and when he was born,
people started to give me a little trinkets and gifts
like necklaces to represent them and I was like, I'm
not going to wear this. It's not like it's not cute, No.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
This is not I'm like, I want a heavy gold chain,
I want a dog tag, I want his full name.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So it's meaningful because it was took me friend, I
see your friend, And that's how it started. So I
started selling I honestly, Rachel.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I would wear it on set when I was a stylist,
and it was this instant conversation piece that everyone, like
the grips and the gappers and all the guys, would
and say what does that say? And I would say
it's my son, Shane, and then everyone automatically, oh my god.
My wife would want one, my sister would want one.
Can you make a difference shape? And I literally started
selling customized We'll find you, like back in the day,
before anyone was really doing it online.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I started.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You gave me one of my very most favorite bracelets
that literally sits in my jewelry box and I throw
it on all the time like it's it's the R
plus are equals S plus.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Kay spiriting equations before anyone, it was like back in
the day, well because but I really understand what you mean,
because you know, when I had my son, you know
very opposite story, which is it was I kept going,
I'll got pregnant next year, I'll get pregnant next year,
I'll get pregnant next year.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And then I was like God only knows, and all
of a sudden, I got pregnant and didn't even know it.
And I was nine weeks pregnant, didn't even know it,
and had Sky.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Whole life turned upside down.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Even when I went on the tour of Cedars, I
looked at Roger, like, three weeks before I was due,
I finally like, went on the tour, and I go,
I'm not doing this. I can't do this. I can't,
I can't. He goes, well, do you want to get
a C section? I'm like, I can't do it. I'm terrified,
like everything about me. I was terrified of being a mom.
(14:07):
I was terrified of pushing a human out of my body.
I was terrified to get cut open and take a
human out of my body. The whole thing was so
terrifying and other worldly. But yet my nickname has always
been you know, Mama's Oh, I'm the most loving. I'm
such a mom. But yet I couldn't wrap my head
around it. And and but when I had Sky, I
(14:28):
looked at him and my whole world just cracked. I
was like, I can't do anything else but look at
him all day. I don't know what to do with myself,
and I wanted to tattoo myself with his name.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I wanted jewelry.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think I had like his name, his birth date,
his eighty seven pieces of jewelry on me, and yours
being one of them, and or a few really quite
a few of them actually. But that's so interesting that
that's how it started. And I'm not a dainty jewelry girl.
So it's so interesting that you say that, and even
(15:04):
more so, like I've just been seeing more and more
and more.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Of your jewelry, like just it's wild.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's like it's almost like when you see you know,
when we were younger, and you'd see like the punch
Buggy orange, like you'd see the car while you're driving
and you would only see one and then you see
a hundred and I'm like, oh my god, there's so
and so and Jen for sher hoops. There she liked it,
So tell me. So you start, so everyone's stopping you
with this chunky necklace with your son's name, and you
(15:34):
just go, well, okay, what happens Like you're like, I'm
starting a business, or you're like this is it?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
So literally, it was one day we lived in Soho
on Green Street and a dream by the way. It
was a great apartment. I should have never sold it,
big mistake. It's not like above Tiffany's.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And I literally on my bedroom there was like orders everywhere.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And Kevin looked at me and he's like, Jen, I
think that this is a business. You need to start
a website. And that's like literally how it started. And
I just was like it. One night, I was like
on set and I was I think it was like
two in the morning or something, and I was like,
why the fuck am I here? Like why am I
doing this?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Still?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
This is like I mean, you're sure you had that moment,
you know, and like.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You're on set and like you're looking at aft service
and you're like, I need some more coffee, Like what,
I gotta get the fuck out.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And once you have children, it becomes a whole nother
game because you're like you're pulling me away from my baby,
So this better be really fucking worth it.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, And it literally was just like a natural. I
was like, you know what, let's give it a shot
and let's try it.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And so I started a website and I had like
literally like four different styles. It was like a circle
of hard, a star, and a moon, and you can
choose your chain. And it was like, you know, I
was saying the necklaces. Now that everyone connects the necklaces,
we were doing all that stuff back then, like we've
literally like we've been around a long time, so it's wild.
It started with the fine jewelry and then the recession
(16:55):
hit and well I did the VOCs IF Day Fashion Fund,
which you know, was fun, interesting experience, and you know,
I really never start wanted my business to have a
wholesale model because in jewelry, you know, all these poor
jewelers are out on consignment with these stores, you know,
for you know, millions of dollars, and it's like, oh,
we're just going to give it back.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
We don't want even more so now, oh it's terrible.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So you know we don't.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, So I didn't never wanted to wholesale my fine jewelry.
So the fine jewelry still to this day is direct
to consumer. But the hoops and then all the fashion
jewelry that really started because you know, you totally can
understand this, like I wanted to be on the cover
of Vogue magazine. I wanted to be in the cover
of magazines, and they're like terms, you know, and I
was like, Okay, I'm going to start making some other things.
And I started making really big, crazy pieces of jewelry.
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They're kind of goth and skulls and lots of bones,
and it was just sort of my style at the time.
I was always kind of a tomboy and it it
just sort of was more of who I was. And
we started and then I started just doing you know,
more statement earrings and statement cups because I literally was
making bracelets, you know, like these, and you know, there's
like tens of thousands of dollars to get like, you know,
a place, and I was like, there's got to be
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a cheaper way to do this. So we started doing
it in brass and plating it in gold. And that's
when Barneys came to me and they're like, we heard
about you from three different people in one day.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
We need you in co op.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And so I started selling those pieces that were plated
to Barney's.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
When rip, so sad Barney Barney's.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I know, Jeffrey sorr ip Barney's rip.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I know. I keep saying someone needs to restart another
like multi. I would love to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think the closest thing is in is Dover Street probably.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Right, Yeah, there's really there's really not a lot of places.
I just I feel like it was such you know,
it's like back in the day it was like Fred
Siegell and like, you know, too hard. It's just different now,
but that's how the fashions are. And then I started
getting covers, you know, we started getting covers and covers
and covers from all of this jewelry that wasn't you know, delicate,
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fine jewelry, and it was just it was more statement.
And that's really how it just started to evolve. And
you know, listen, I've always been a marketer. I knew
that I you know, and we still did this day.
Do not pay celebrities to wear are the jewelry at all?
Like the biggest compliment is like if you see j
Lo like coming out of the gym and hoops not
being styled, they choose to wear it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And that's the best brand credit you can get.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Because the dream it's part of their daily uniform. I mean,
that's the dream I think for any designer, right, Like
it's a choice. It's like I'm in my closet or
I'm in my jewelry drawer. And I'm choosing this right,
like that's and these are people who have everything can have. Yeah,
it can't pay for that, No, you literally can't. And
(19:29):
I think we'll try, but you can't. Yeah, you know.
I think we come from a time where authenticity was
really a thing, and I think we still really hope
and dream that it is and it is and it isn't,
and it goes and it comes in the pendulum swings
and you know, all the things. But I think at
the end of the day, the life of an entrepreneur
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is the most and a very common thread on this
podcast is that as successful as the women are, there's
just so much pain involved, and there's so much challenge,
and every day is different and you have no idea
and right when you put out one fire, another one comes.
And the lows are the lowest and the highs are
the highest, honestly, right. But I think we're all in
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this insanity together, and I think that, you know, I
think another thing that we really have in common that
a few of the women that I've had on here
share is that.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You work with your husband.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I do.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Talk about that because I have worked with my husband.
Now I think since two thousand and nine, he was
an investment banker and a tech entrepreneur and you know,
totally different part of We do very different things.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
There are moments where I want to.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Literally kill him, and I want to talk to you
about that, because I mean, what was Kevin doing before
that he was like, Hey, let's do this business together,
or were you like, hey, I need help, Like how.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Did it happen? As a CEO? Fashion already?
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well it really was.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Hey I need help because I am not finance is
not my is not my j Mine.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I really am great at it. Sure, the worst thing ever.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I literally was like help, and he like, you know, thankfully.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
He was sort of coming to terms with his career
in finance and he was like, I'm kind of ready
to get out of it.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I'm going to come help you. And then he just
never left. It's not to say that he's going to
be here forever, but he's here now.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
And it's really you know, he would say that it's
easier working with me than I say with him.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's just I think it's more he's like, no, you
can't do that, or we can't do this, or.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
You know, he's he's such an easy going guy and
he's like such the yin to my yang.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So it's like that's why it works. I mean very
twenty years, you know, it's it's just similar. Yeah, because
we were twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Together for thirty two married.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
That's a long time. You didn't realize, you guys in
a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Wow, legitimately a life who got married at the Rainberg
twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Oh that's a dream.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It was a dream. It was like one of the
most fun nights ever, I'm sure. And now I'm thinking
about it.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I know that's so we have to talk about that too,
because I've done I've done. I've done too, I've done a.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Bar, so we can talk about that, and I can
talk about offline and what to do and what not.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I have done both large scale.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So but okay, So you work with your husband, you
live with your husband, and I imagine that two thousand
people ask you on the daily how do you do that?
Because I get asked it almost every day. How do
you parent? How do you co CEO? How do you
do it together and not want to kill each other.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
So he's the most amazing father in the entire world.
He's a better father than I am a mother.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
He's very patient, and you know, we've been a team
raising these kids. And then you just want leaves, and
then the other one's going to leave. We're gonna be
empty nesters in two years. It's so crazy. It's literally
it works because we don't work in the same office currently.
So we have a Fifth Avenue flagship, which was originally
like our first show room to turn into a store,
and then now we have got our store and soho,
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so I'm kind of moving.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Around a lot. He's kind of me in meeting.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So we when I at the end, when I'm cooking
dinner is normally we can talk about the salt and
the kicklater, but when I'm cooking dinner sort of when
we catch up. So the problem is is that you're
never off and you never you know that it's like
twenty four to seven, you're it's like an email will
come through, you'll get a text, we'll get a slack
(23:57):
and it's like we've got on this call on this.
But it's literally like being a it's a family unit team,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's and what do you rather him than someone that
you were questioning?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
That's the thing. I mean, you trust them.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So it's it's you know, at some point I'm kind
of I'm like, well maybe, but I don't you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
We'll see where it is, we'll see the same.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We're growing and changing and I don't know. I can't.
I don't want to say never.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
But like, you know, he's he probably be happier going
and working in like Wavepool technology because he serves and
he's invested in something like that. That's that's that's opening
in like Palm Springs. I think you must rather be
doing that, so see where we go. But but now
it's it's the cool thing is it's allowed us. And
I'm sure you and Roger have this exact same experience
of like being able to do you know, run your
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brand and do everything and and to parents together. It
really kind of very I have to say, I that's
one thing that I would not take back. And I
haven't actually ever talked about this before. I'm just sort
of realizing this as I'm talking to you. Like the
experience that we've had in being able to be around
more together, parent our kids together, such a gift.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yes, what I hate saying COVID is a gift because
it wasn't a gift.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
When I say, exactly the same way.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Of like having my kids home in those years of
like being those teenagers where they'd be out running and partying.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
In New York City like and all of that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And figuring out what to do with am I you know,
with the business during COVID that running, which is a
whole other story, like it together. I mean, it's a
really amazing bond that as a family unit that your
kids get to also learn from, and it's just it's
a very good model for them to sort of fallow,
you know what I mean, it follows on each other.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I totally I totally agree, and I think you're one
hundred percent agree on all accounts. I think, like Roger
and I always say, like, you know, we've been close
with the Massoni family forever, right, and we used to
watch their business and just be like, what a beautiful
thing that they can like roll as a family, roll
as a pack, like Divide and conquered. They all have
(25:59):
one goal, right, And I think for us it was
always like, Okay, we are going to New York for
whatever CFDA awards or we're doing. It was us right.
We would take our kids. We didn't have to have
these totally separate lives. And again, pros and cons, right,
but I think overall the pros really outweigh the cons.
And I think I think there are those moments where
(26:20):
I'm like, oh my God, leave my house, leave my room,
leave my everything, and then you know, but at the
same time, it's like it really allows you the freedom
when you have children to really be that model for
them and stay together, and that's really nice.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I don't know if you realize it or if people
will tell you this enough but you really can tell
how well you guys parent those boys and how much
your kids you know, And I actually, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I saw you one night.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I didn't want to interrupt you because you're with your
son and I was having a group dinner and I
saw you with him, and it was just you were
so engaged with him.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I just wanted to give.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
You that coming because I was like, this, that's a
real mothering mom.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You know, really leave them, I really don't leave them.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Really beautiful to see, and I was I didn't want
to interrupt you, so I didn't, but just just.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You're doing amazing.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's you know, it's it's, without question, the thing I
love most. And I I choose not to leave them
unless I have to, you know, But I but I,
but I I want to give you, well, first of all,
thank you, and it's probably the best compliment you could
ever give me. So thank you. And oh I could
see again. And I think this stuff is really hard.
(27:33):
I think it's all hard. I think what I want
to give you credit for is you're actually you're like
starting a whole nother business. And I want to talk
about that because all of a sudden one of my
really good friends, Ali and Maradone, who's one of the
most favorite people.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's one of my heart for ten years, twelve years,
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And she's amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And she started talking about your salts and I was like,
I'm sorry, what it's like jewelry. She's like salt, yes, jewelry,
of course, but like salt. And I'm like, talk to me,
so please tell me, because you are this like you
have so much energy. You have so much energy, right,
(28:23):
And then all of a sudden, I see you posting
about cooking and these seasonings and I'm like, hold on, what,
like what just happened? And so please tell me about
this and why. Obviously it's a passion and obviously you
love cooking.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's honestly, Rachel. It's like one of those things like
the jewelry. It started. It started because I couldn't find
what I wanted, so I made my own. It's literally
like how it started.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I have hashimotos so I have an autoimmune disorder.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
So my mother, well I intermitten fast. Now, I mean
most women, a lot of people have it. People should
get for it.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I get tested.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I get tested yeah, you need to, especially moones and
all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But that's the whole other thing we can talk about.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
But I wanted to find something to put on my
eggs in the morning because I love poach eggs and
would always eat eggs in the morning.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
And I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I literally like scour like I would go to like
I mean, like when Tina d Luca was around, I
would go to like any like you know, amazing specialty
grocery store, and I was trying to find like the
right salt and the right blend of things that I
wanted to eat, and there was nothing out there. It
was like a rub or like potpourri. And I was like,
this is crazy, this is like literally insane. So I
my father used to ship me in New York h
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lemons and avocados from his trees, and I would know,
for real, I get these I get these USPS boxes
and I'd open weapon.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It's always lemons and avocados.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
My mom and dad would always do that, and so
I would grate the lemon the lemon rind because I
never wanted to waste anything, and I would try it
and I would use it.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I always cooked. My mom sent me to cooking class
after school, and I love it. Oh we should cook.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I mean I don't do it because I mean I
cook for my kids. But like I don't cook cook
because I just.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I don't cook cook with like the rest of these
are like the like stupid reath.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
My respies are like I don't want to say stupid,
but like my recipes are literally like for dummies. Like
it's like one of those things. It's fool proof, it's
the easiest thing. I didn't go to like real cooking school.
I went to cooking school in sixth grade. I learned
how to make bounties and an orange julius. Like it's
literally that's my skill set. But for some reason it
really relaxes me. And I, you know, I think you
know all day and so when I get in the kitchen,
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I start like chopping an onion. It's like it's literally
like my body relaxes and I feel like a different person.
And I used to always say I don't go to therapy,
I cook, But no, then I started going to therapy
because my father died, So I can't really.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Say that anymore. But I'm not currently in therapy.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
But I that was always my motto because it really
works for me and I I I it just relaxed me.
So anyway, So I had this little blend of salts
on the side of my stove and as one did
you'll remember this on Instagram when everyone was putting their
freaking avocado toast.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
On Instagram and bad. So I built it. I did
it on.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
My jewelry account and literally more people were like what.
First of all, you can poach an egg? That's crazy,
and how do you know how to cook? And then
second of all, it was before DMS, it was like
comments and it was like then it was like, well,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
What's seasoning is that on your eggs?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And I was like, oh, it's this stuff that I like,
you know, keep on the side of my stove and whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And then like, well where do you buy it? And
I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
And it was like literally more people asking about the
food than like than jewelry and celebrities.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
So I was like, this is crazy. And so we
did a holiday gifting to editors.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
You know what that feels like, you get them just
everywhere Christmas and no one wants a chocolate bar with
my face or logo. So I was like, you know what,
let's give everybody something healthy that they can eat at
their desk when there were editors at desks and offices,
because I was like, you know, they're stuck in the
office late, so we give me avocado, a lemon, some
spicy saluce, some chili oil, and some like clean tortilla chips.
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And I was like, here's you know, a little thing
on how to make your desk mash so like healthy
when you're stuck there eight o'clock, writing like a you know,
gift guide. So I literally we did, and we literally
got I got more like thank you notes from like
editor in chiefs of magazines and like you know who
of like people that while genius, like smart thing to do,
and I was like, I wasn't trying to be and
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genius are smart. I just was sending you guys something
that I thought would work. It was just like I
thought you would like it. And food really resonates with people,
and I had no idea how powerful feeding people is,
and you know, people just want to feel good and
people people, what do we do three times a day?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
We eat?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, But also I think it goes back to the
fact that you're a marketer at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Day, right, I'm a hustler.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You're a hustler, you're a marketer, and you're a product person,
like at the end of the day, and I think,
you know, I've seen a lot of teasers on your
social you're launching something new, You're.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Launching so many things.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
And we have a new well I mean my new
website which we've worked on for months and now it's disappeared,
and do space.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
It's coming back. It's coming back, and it's going to
come back even better.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
They're like, we don't know, it's just gone.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I don't even understand how that what that could even
or at all, you can't Maybe so many people wanted
the hoops that it crashed.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It's like when you have like big dev guys and
like they're looking at and they're like, we literally like
can't figure it out.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, of course, it's like a doctor telling you they've
never seen this before.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, exactly great, exactly right, and you're like, oh, I
won't worry.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
At all, right, right, right, that makes me feel so
much better.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So no, we you know, we're launching there's a lot
of things that are coming, a lot of exciting things.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
A lot of changes. You know.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
We we needed the website, We needed an evolution of
the brand, and we needed to sort of free brand
and it needed to not just be me anymore. You know,
at one point we were using models and then we
went to me and then you.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Convert way higher.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
That's why gay higher and so but then you know
you're talking to people, you know, because I'm we we
don't have any outside investment or investors, but we will
be taking that and will be growing and you know,
the top of it can only be top of funnel,
you know what that's like. So it's like, just be
everything because what if I get hit by train tomorrow
or something. So you've got to No one wants to
invest in that. So we had to bring in some
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new characters and so it looks really beautiful and it's
really exciting. It's going to be a new you know,
we haven't scrapped it and restarted in a very long time,
and we needed to fix you know, a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And you know, everyone's shopping on their phones.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Now, you know, it's different, you know, you people are
on their phones shopping. So we just had to really
kind of you know, turn it around and it's it's
a much better experience and you know, new PDP photography
and it's just all of it. You know, it's amazing
we even sold anything. We didn't even show charms on model.
Like it's literally mind boggling that we actually even sold
an a jewelry over the last eighteen years.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
It's like crazy, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
How well, what do you mean, you don't know how
I mean? I mean, of course, it's like it's like
a cult fear. I mean, it's it's amazing. I think
that's the thing. And I think that's the one thing
that I really want to touch on is you know,
it's not easy building a brand.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I know that, and it's only through the process of
years ago meeting like a lot of you know, people
in suits talking to me about my brand and talking
to me about my business and people who don't even
speak the same language. But you know, the one thing
they did say to me that was a big takeaway
for me and something I took for granted that I
(35:14):
want to commend you for is that, you know what
they said to me and every single meeting was you've
done the hard part. You've actually built the brand and
that is the hardest thing to do. And I don't
think I really understood what they meant by that because
it's me the same as you. When it's you, you
don't realize that you're building the brand because it's you, right,
(35:35):
So it's like, this is your business. So like now
that you know I have all these different extensions and
partnerships and licenses and all these different things, it's like, okay, wait,
this is exciting the brand. The name means something to people,
because I'm so in it, I don't mean something to myself.
I'm so over myself, right, So it's like it's like
(35:58):
I couldn't be more sick of myself. It's sort of
like what I want to say is that twenty years later,
you know, and working with your husband and doing all
these things and launching, you know, your seasonings and launching
other categories and launching all these things and relaunching your website,
and you know, it's a lot, and it's really fucking hard,
and it's really hard and as a parent and co parenting,
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it's just all a lot. And so I see you
first of all, and second of all, like you know,
I want to really just give you the highest compliment
on that, because it's not easy. And I think to
even like even at this point in life, at this stage,
at this age in the business and the business changing
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and constantly changing your business to fit the business, you know,
it's like it's the thing, right, And I think at
the end of the day, it's it's a hard road
that always continues to be hard. And I want to
point that out for our listeners because it's sort of like,
you know, they see Jennifer Fisher and they see who
you are on your social and they see you know,
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everyone from j Loo to Taylor Swift to this person
that person wearing your jewelry, and you know, I think
that it's sort of like the brand is so large
and the whatever, but you're on the inside of that, right,
and it's sort of like, hey, those struggles are real.
And we've had everyone from you know, Candice Nelson, Mony Glulier,
We've had everyone on here talking about the building of
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the brand and the and the and the journey there, right,
And so for you, now what what like you go
to sleep terrified, you wake up terrified, You get excited.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah I do, and it's lonely too.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I think that not enough women support other women in
like of what we're doing, and it's a very lonely space.
People don't realize that. They see us on social they
see us at parties, they see us with famous people,
they see us like, you know, and they think that, like,
but at the end of the day, it's a very
lonely road. And it's it's terrifying daily and it's it's
really really fucking hard, Like it is. It is constantly
(37:57):
being able to pivot on a dime and come back
and like, Okay.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
We're here at the event and you're dressed and you
look this way and you've you know, and no one
knows that the terror that you've gone through that day,
and then you still show up.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You know. It's Listen, it takes a certain person.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
To be able to do it, and not everyone is
built to do what we do, and that's okay, but
those of us that do it and are in it,
we really love it. You would not be doing this
if we did not live for this and die for this. Like,
I literally love what I do. I feel so grateful
that I am here every day and have the opportunity
to be in terror and to like live this this
(38:36):
dream it's just it's going to pay off, you know,
and it's like it's really you know, and in this day.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
And age is also I want to touch on. You know,
people think it's so easy to start a brand.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
They think they can just go down wherever and buy
some jewelry and put it on Instagram and say that
they are a brand now and whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
And it's just it's different these days.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
And I think the key, like with you and I
is like really just staying true to like who we
really are. Like I'm also I'm shifty too, like I
don't you know, if you don't like me, that's okay,
you know what I mean, there's gonna be twenty other
people that do, and it's pinny more of that don't.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And it's that's just life. You know.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
None of us like the word same sneakers, none of
us like the same clothes. Like it's that's that's totally okay.
And I think you have to finally be okay with
that and stop looking around, and then that's when things
can really change and be transformative for you. I think
when you're kind of like this is just me, take
it or leave it, and if you don't, that's okay,
no hard feelings.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Like it's like the minute you stop giving a fuck
what people think, that's exactly right, right, and then all
of a sudden, the peace gate to open.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah, like I really I really like anymore.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It's like it's like, okay, you know, I don't fine,
you know, and that's all right, and I'm not mad
about it. It doesn't you know, Yeah, you just sometimes it
hurts your feelings. But like I'm older, like I've got kids,
Like I don't have time this shit, like you know
what I mean, Like move on?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
So what what excites you the most? Like what's next?
What's next? As we look forward, because right now you're everywhere,
you're relaunching.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Once this your website reappears.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
We've tonight when it comes back and all its perfection
and it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Great it comes baxt night. I literally yeah, it's coming back.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
I have to like I didn't take to show, Like
I have to go from I'm going from this right
now to go do a party at my store on
this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
The biggest thing that you're excited about.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Now for that brand, No, there's you know, we're going
into different things. You know, Listen, there's the food.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
There's and I know we didn't talk about my CD
two collaboration that I did with CB two. I did
a whole line of furniture and home with them.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, and that was that was literally.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
What we were going into COVID. Like my my swirl
dish out. I did this black and white kind of
gray swirl dish and it's like twelve dollars. It outsold
the white dish on their website. So like that was
like a really fun partnership. So it's I'm working on
a cookbook. We just finished the proposal that's going. I
didn't really us it takes so long to do books.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I know, I like watching the page each one of
each one of my books took a full year and
then you promote it.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
They're telling me like two years, Like I got to
get this out. This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's wild.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
It's wild. Wild.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It's that process like where there's so many things and
it's like it's wild.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
And I was literally like, okay, this next, it's like crazy.
So it's it's listen.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm really happy and grateful that like I get to
do all of this stuff because it's every day is different.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I'd be so bored if I had a different type
of job.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
You know, I I don't know exactly where I'm going,
and I feel like that's okay, and that's you'll you
know what it's like when you're talking to the suits,
So like, what's your five year plan?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I don't know what my tomorrow freaking plan is. What
are you talking about, right.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
That's your three to five year plan. I'm like, everything
changes every day.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I want to talk about the three to six month
plan because I can talk to you about that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I know what I'm doing in La Listen.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's scary, but you look for it and baby too,
You're still standing and I standing.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
We're doing it, friend, Like it's not easy and parenting
in it and like everything in it. Like people think,
you know, it looks easy. It is the furthest thing
from it.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I mean, it's like it's like, what's the opposite of easy?
And don't say difficult because that's not even the right word.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
But we do.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, And so I think it's the fear, but it's
the excitement. And I think at the end of the
day you're doing it, I'm personally very excited to see
all the things, and you know, I'm a fan, and
we all love it and just keep doing it and
you look gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Thank you. While we were talking about, well that's.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
What we're going to really talk about.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That talk about need I need to really need to
really talk about that book out anyway, seriously, huge, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
You have so much fucking energy. I love it.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I literally love it. I think it's so contagious. I
love it, and I I love how much you love me.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yeah, I really I'm really happy that, like we're getting
to know each other, Like I think you're I think
you're rad.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
And I were you coming up to me at a
party at the Bowery. Do you remember this? You came
up to me at a party at the Bowery.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I introduced myself to you.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
If you came over to me and you go Rachel
Jennifer Fisher. I was like, oh my god, and you
were like.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Why aren't we friends? And I was like, I don't know,
Like it was sort of like I was.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Like, I do you remember that? I do remember that?
Because I was like, no, no, I think Rachel so
doesn't like me. So I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I like everybody, you have to really fuck me over
for me not to like.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
You, and I was like, Hi, I'm gonna say hi,
Like I'm one of those like I'm so not shy.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I'm like, I go talk to that person like you? Why? Why?
Why be shy? What a waste of time? I know.
I love it. I'm so happy we're connected now. And
thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Oh my god, I'm so happy you came on and
we have so much more to talk about, so so
much more, and just keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Thank you too.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
I'm here for it, killing it, five it.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
It's that time in the show when I answer to
listener questions. So let's see what we have today. What
is your favorite transitional jacket for fall? I live in
the Southeast and it's just starting to cool off. I
have so many jackets. I am a jacket collector. I
think of all the things I have in my collection,
(44:30):
I think I have the most jackets and coats because
I just love them, and I can make an argument
or a story or an excuse to wear any weight
coat in any type of weather. But I would say
my favorite transitional jacket for fall, I think is always
like a midweight leather or suede jacket. I have a
few with fringe that I love because I never get
(44:51):
sick of wearing fringe. I love a Moto jacket. I
have one with gold hardware. I have one with silver hardware,
you know, in brown, in black. I think jackets like
that that you can sort of wear on your shoulders,
you know, or wear on with just even a simple
T shirt and jeans, I think is always fun and
of course, like a black blazer would be something to
(45:12):
just have in anyone's wardrobe to wear all year round
with pretty much anything. Dress it up or dress it down,
but it's always the best transitional jacket for fall. Okay,
second question, My kids are back to school and I
was wondering if you send your kids to school with
a packed lunch or do they eat lunch from school.
It's a very funny question actually, because as siblings are different.
(45:35):
My older son's guy I've like, have not packed lunch
for him since he was maybe in first grade, and
my younger son, Caius will only.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Eat my lunch.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Basically, he has hot lunch maybe one or two days
a week at school, but other than that I pack
him a lunch because he always wants mommy's lunch and
he's very picky. Don't forget to submit your questions for
next week's episode. All you have to do is dm
us your questions to at Climbing in Heels pod on
Instagram and I may just answer your question. I want
(46:18):
to thank Jen so much for coming on. I want
to thank her for being the most candid honest. I
think she's just a straight shooter. She really just says
what she means, means what she says. She does not
hold back on anything, which I just always have so
much admiration for because I, you know, I'm definitely I
(46:39):
think a little more reserved for sure, and I think,
you know, I kind of love that fearlessness about her.
I learned so much in this episode. I mean, I
cannot believe that she found out she had cancer before
she had her kids, had two surrogates that didn't work,
and then was told not to have children, and then
had too healthy children naturally, which is just you know,
(47:03):
it kind of shows you you manifest you dream, two
miracle babies, and then really launching a career out of
a dream and something she loves. And I think many
of us who are these female entrepreneurs, the fight is
always real, the challenges are real, the winds are huge,
the falls are huge, and you just feel things really deeply.
And I think it's ten times more when you work
(47:26):
with your husband, because it's your whole life, it's your
whole family, it's the stakes are very high all the time.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
So I hope you loved this episode as much as
I did.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
And as always, don't forget to write a review wherever
you get your podcasts. It really helps us and I
love reading them. And while you're at it, follow me
on at Rachel Zo and at Climbing in Hills pod
on Instagram for more updates and upcoming guests, episodes, and
all things creature.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
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