Nikki Reed: Always Evolving and Learning

This week, Rachel Zoe is joined by the wonderful Nikki Reed. From actress and writer to jewelry designer and entrepreneur, Nikki’s work is a perfect example of how creativity can evolve and change throughout a career. She is the mother of two children, married to Ian Somerhalder, and happens to be one of Rachel's favorite fictitious vampire to grace the screen. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels. This show is all about celebrating the most
extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their incredible journeys to
the top, all while saying glamorous. Okay, I love this
week's guest so much. We fell in love in Paris
just before COVID. We had met each other a few

(00:29):
times and she's truthfully one of the most down to
earth coolest girls I've ever met. And I say girl,
but she's a woman, But she's a girl that she's
a woman. She's about Okay. The wonderful Nikki Read is
joining me today, and she is such an incredible light.
And of course, from actor and writer to joy designer
and entrepreneur, Nikki's work is honestly the most incredible example

(00:52):
of how creativity can evolve and change throughout our lives,
throughout a never ending career, multifaceted career. She's the mother
of two children. She's married to Ian Summerholder. You may
have heard of him, also the sweetest, kindest, most down
to earth guy ever. And she may be my favorite
fictitious vampire to grace the screen. And she knows that

(01:16):
I love that about her. Fangirl Nikki had a lot
to share today, and I'm so excited to share this
episode with all of you, so let's get right into it.
I'm surrounded by extraordinary women, as are you, and all

(01:38):
doing great, big, amazing things and at the top of
their field, whatever that field may be. But I think
what's most important to getting to where we see women winning,
or where you may feel like you're winning in life,
it's that journey to get there that is unique, that
is sometimes terrifying, It's sometimes dark, and sometimes extraordinary and

(02:04):
lonely and all the things.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
And scary and challenging and pushing you to your limit,
and also the most rewarding when you feel like you've
you know, you've put on those heels and you've been climbing, And.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
It is because I feel like that, you know, I
feel like the heels.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Part of this whole thing is really how we all
choose to like embrace the powers of being a woman,
right And I think, as we all know, those powers
can be taken advantage of, they can be disregarded, they
can be squashed by other women, they can be squashed

(02:58):
by men. Watch just in gent by the way we
can squash our own ourselvesselves, which I'm.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So really the conversation to have too is like how
to manifest and see beyond our own, you know, limitations
that we that are like self induced, that we you know,
maybe have been conditioned to think or in vision, and
how we can't get beyond that sometimes until we have

(03:26):
our own breakthrough a thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
And I think I I mean, I definitely say that
very loudly to anybody who will listen. Like, you know,
I trip over myself probably the most in my life,
right Like I'm like, people will be like, you can
do this, you can do this, you can do this,
and I'll be like, nah.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
And so I love talking to women who have had
their own unique journeys because I think it's so important
to share those things. And I think your journey is
so incredibly unique. And I mean, I'd love to hear
you know, obviously whatever you're comfortable speaking about, of course,

(04:07):
but I think to the extent that like we can
understand like how did like how did you start? You
grew up here? Right, you grew up in la.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Hmmm, I did? Oh goodness, back to the beginning. So
you know it was when you were.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Sitting there talking about how you trip over yourself sometimes,
as we all do. I was thinking about not only
is it so important to be your own champion in
a sense, but also to surround yourself with people that
will champion you, you know, And that is something that
I've seen you do so well, is surround yourself with
women that believe in you as much, if not more

(04:45):
sometimes than you can believe in yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Definitely more.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
And you know, we can talk about why it's so
important to have that, you know, female power and presence.
Men are wonderful and amazing and so important too, but
there's something very specif about like that, that unity with women.
And you have the coolest and best core group of amazing,
badass women around you, and I'm like just so honored

(05:10):
that in.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Some small way you considered me, you consider me in
your you know.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Orbit I consider you a lot. You and some of
my favorites and Sarah Olsen and like all the girls,
the best girls, the best women, best girls and women
because we are girls and women.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
And on that note, you were one of the first
that really believed in my business. And I want to
just take a second here to talk about what it
feels like to have somebody walk a path, you know,
ahead of you, and then turn around and extend the
hand back to you. And that is what you've done
for me, and I just I couldn't go five minutes

(05:49):
and make about just sharing how much that that means
to me, you know, because as you talk about my
origin story, it's so weird to talk about yourself, but
here we are, and as you talk about that, I
can't help but think about you know, I'm entirely self made.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
If you will, I.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Don't know what what you know. I don't know how
else to phrase that, but I didn't have you know,
I've been working very hard for a very long time,
putting one foot in the other and figuring it out
and using you know, you know, beating down any door
that was locked, and you know, using innovation and creativity
and thinking outside the box and you know, chasing passion

(06:34):
and inspiration and you know those things. Sometimes I've read
something once and I've I've kind of used it as
like the model in my life, which is you have
to sometimes seek out inspiration and seek out passion. It's
not like it just lands on your lap and you
wake up one day and go, I know exactly what
I'm supposed to do with my life. I mean sometimes

(06:56):
you do, but but that's not always both in right.
Sometimes you have to to put yourself in situations that
bring forth that creativity or that inspiration or that passion.
And it's sort of like the analogy of like my
you know, my brother was born with a very gifted
hand as an artist. He's so talented. I mean he

(07:18):
can paint and sketch and draw in ways that I've
you know, I just wasn't born with that hand.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
So I had.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
To seek out and chase that, you know, and here
I am. My job is actually sketching and you know,
using that hand to sketch jewelry and design. But I
wasn't necessarily born with that, and so you know, you
have to find that. And anyway, I am so the
origin story of being of self?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well, no, but it's very interesting because listen, we'll get
into it more later. But I think that when you
are a creative person, a creative force that manifest in
a myriad of ways, and they come out at different
points in your life, and sometimes you need to do
things first to have those kind of come out.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know, and also how do we define creativity, Like
in this chapter of my life, having left, you know,
the only career I had ever known, which was acting
and writing. But having left, by the way, so transition
into something that was totally unknown and really taking a leap,

(08:30):
a leap of face, a leap of you know, a
leap of everything.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Was so scary. And creativity comes in so many different forms.
And that's what I had to realize is I didn't
let go of being an artist.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I just transitioned that creativity into a new space. Operations
can look like creativity.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
You know, learning spreadsheets and you know, running your I mean,
all of these things can fall into some bucket that
is creatively fulfilling. Yes, and it doesn't all look like
one thing.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So I at one point thought that I was like
mourning the.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Or maybe not even mourning.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Because I didn't really ever let it go, but sort
of like you know, like let go, yeah, to like
hesitant to enter into a new chapter. And then I
realized that it can actually be even more creatively fulfilling.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
It just comes in a different form.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, I think you have more control over it. I
think you have more.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Control part of it.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
For me, and the older I get, the more of
I think, like willing I am to own that that
I grew up in a business that dictated everything right.
It dictates what you're supposed to look like, how you're
supposed to.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
You know, behave.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
And of course now in twenty twenty four, things are
a little bit different because you know, we've seen many
movements past now that have been recognized that support you
women in a different way, which is amazing.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
But you know, twenty.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Years ago when I was starting out in this business,
there were a lot of things that were different, and
you know, even like just going through years of media
training and like learning you know how to carry yourself
and what you should say, and if you, you know,
act a certain way, you'll be more likable. And if
you play certain roles, then maybe you'll have a better

(10:24):
chance at being seen as you know, a certain kind
of human because people can't disassociate you from a character
that you play.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
And so you wanted to be very careful that.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
You know, I was typecast at a very very young
age because I was playing like all these really bad girls,
and then you know, found myself even in my teenagers
trying to defend like.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Wait, I'm not that girl. I just I played that girl.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
But you know, it was really hard for people to
disassociate me from the characters.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
It's just being a great actor, by the way, but
it also in interviews and things you can't you don't
never want to be perceived as being difficult, right right?

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Difficult? Yeah, you don't want to challenge and I was.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
If anyone you know listening has followed even or even
anyone on the back end of your podcast.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
You know, has known me since I was young.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Not being exactly who I am, who I was who
I am was very was very difficult for me. I
always wanted to show up. I didn't know another way
except showing up as my authentic self. And sometimes, you know,
that got me in trouble if I was challenging you know,
someone or something, or questioning why I you know, had

(11:38):
to you know, dress a certain way or look a
certain way. And quite frankly, when it comes down to
what you were just saying, which is having more control,
I didn't feel like I could really function or fully
realize myself or my life if I was in a
position where other people got to determine or dictate my

(12:01):
level or define my level of success in whatever that
may be.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
You know, and you work in.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
An industry for a long time, that makes it very
clear what success is and what it isn't, right, Yep,
it's pretty easy to know when you're an actor how
you define success. And I really wanted the challenge of
stepping outside of that and saying, Okay, I'm going to
start over completely and.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I'm which is terrifying, No, terrifying, terrifying.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah, terrifying. What if I fail?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
What if I leave something and you know, and you're forgotten?
And so then how do you step back into that world?

Speaker 4 (12:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
What if it's offensive that I said, you know, I'm
pausing in this world to go try something new? What
if nobody believes in what I believe in in the
same way that I do? And you know, there's so
many things that are scary.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I also didn't have.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
A conventional education, and we can talk about that too,
but I do you know, I consider myself a lifelong
student and I constantly going back.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
To school because I left school early. I had this fear.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
That your life would pass by.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, and I'm just that I wouldn't, you know, like,
not having that level of education you know, whatever that
sort of standard was that I set for myself was
something that I was always chasing. And so, you know,
it's been a blessing in disguise because I've adopted this
mentality of like just being a lifelong student of everything.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
I will never be a teacher. I'm always be a student.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I think that that's you know, I hope that I
instill that in my kids too, Like you find something
that you're passionate about, keep learning and keep reading and
keep I watched my grandfather, who was, you know, one
of the most celebrated and wonderful doctors, you know, definitely
you know in this country, but maybe even globally, and
I watched, you know, until he was in his nineties.

(13:54):
He would sit and research and read and study, and
he was a student until the end, even though he
was one of the best doctors. And that's kind of
how I view everything that I feel passionate about.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I want to keep learning.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I think it's the healthiest thing to do, because I
think it's the only way to actually get better at anything,
because if you go, you know, I interviewed this girl recently,
and she had just done a first job out of
college for a year and I said, well, how come
you're ready to leave? She said, I just feel like
I know everything now about this. And I literally was

(14:29):
like red flag, red flag, because I was like, I
don't know, I don't know all of anything about anything
like That's that's not a possible statement, right, And so
I think to your point, the minute you accept that
we're still constantly learning, I think it's very peaceful actually,

(14:52):
because you keep allowing things to come in and make
you better at what you do. And I think for you,
so it's so interesting because you know, from the outside
people would say, oh, well, Nikki has clearly mastered this
and now she's ready for a next chapter, right, And
I think right. But like it's funny because it's like

(15:14):
you went from acting to like all these other things,
as you said, not a like a formal full education.
I like to talk about that very often on the
pod because it's a common thread with some of the
most extraordinary people I've ever met, male or female, that
have not had a traditional education in any way. And
I always say, like, I went through college, but I

(15:38):
grew up in college. But as far as college, like
if my parents said you can go to work now,
I would have done that one hundred percent. I would
have done that. I and I will always stand by
that there is no one way to do anything in
this life. And I think education we're seeing more and
more with our children. Everyone learns differently, everybody responds to differently.

(16:00):
There's neurodiversity, there's this, there's that. That is the beauty
of where we are now. And I don't think anyone
should ever pass judgment on anyone. And the thing that
does upset me is that the common thread with many
people I know that they're like, well, I didn't go
to college. It's almost like a defense. And yet I
think they use life as their school forever and we

(16:23):
all do. So, I mean you're still learning, you're I mean,
you became a jewelry designer. I've never seen you without
a camera in your hand. You have a million different
hats that you wear because you're this beautiful, brilliant, creative person.
But I think that, like with all of these things now,
being a parent and living your life on your terms,

(16:47):
I'm very curious, like when you were coming up, even
in acting, were women good to you?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Like?

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Who was?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
I guess what I'm saying is like I was very
challenged by women. I was. They did not want me
to succeed, which is part of why I started climbing
in heels, because I'm like, hey, I love women. I
have incredible women around me. We can only make women
even better by continuing to support them.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Right, Well, you know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
You're doing something so extraordinary because then you're breaking a
cycle that has existed in your own life, which is
all we can ever hope to do try to, which
is so wonderful. I laughed when you said camera because
actually I work literally sixteen hours a day, but in
the middle of the day on Tuesdays, I actually go
to a photography class because I'm a student forever. Yeah,

(17:39):
And I was realizing when you said that that I
haven't I haven't done my homework from last week class,
and I'm like, such a tight I didn't say you
had to be a good student, by the way, I
didn't say you had to be a good student.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
No, A, I'm terrible. I'm a terrible student.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
So I wait, need to make sure that every thing
is okay here. So I have to say I had
a very different experience to what you're describing. And I
also think that we are we create our own reality.
And that's kind of the message that I always like

(18:18):
to think about and put out there, which is.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
We also can choose what we want to see.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
And you're doing a beautiful job of changing the narrative
right now from what maybe you experience. And I grew up,
you know, in a very sort of non traditional scenario
where I had my mother and then and my mother
has supported me in everything I've wanted to do since

(18:46):
the beginning, and you know, believed in me, you know,
definitely more than I've believed in myself. And then a
lot of women around her that kind of stepped in
in this sort of I don't know, motherly sister, real
like community type of way of raising kids where my
mom had best friends around her that really she was

(19:08):
a single mom, and so all those women kind of
came in to you know, mother in a sense. And
then I was really fortunate to have some very strong,
very intelligent, very driven women around me that, you know,
even it was even if it was a little bit unconventional,
like what the dynamics were, you know, like for example,

(19:31):
Catherine Hardwick, who.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
At one point was my father's girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
And then you know, we continued a relationship long after
they broke up. And then her and I, you know,
we wrote thirteen together and she directed thirteen. And so
that is an example of like just strong, amazing, intelligent
women around me that really gave me the opportunity to
see things through a different lens. Took me to museums

(19:59):
or to you know, my mom was working full time
and raising.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Two kids, and so it takes a village and that village.
It's so hard and that village.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
So I also think it's like kind of what we
choose to see in a sense, because I could, I
could probably give a thousand examples if I, you know,
wanted to think about that of you know, things that
maybe I had seen just growing up in this industry,
and there was there were always conversations around in media,
you know, let's say, about women being pitted against each other.

(20:30):
I literally told myself in my brain that I cannot
fuel that narrative.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
I don't want to fuel that narrative.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I want to see that people that women are good
to each other, and I want I.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Want to not only surround myself with that, but create
that reality.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
So I think we can do that, and we can
be that example for our children and for you know,
our friends, and we just have to continue showing up.
Like when I launched by you with love of not
to talk about business, but.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Just first I want to talk about business the whole.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Obviously I love you know, what we create, but also
there was a whole part of that mission, like we
are a mission driven.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Business that was about supporting other female makers and female
founders in the same way that you know, took me
under your wing and said, hey, I want to give
you a really incredible opportunity because this is what we
do within my company, and we have those chances every
single day with women, whether it's something as big as
like what you have done, or you know, maybe what

(21:34):
I'm doing with different you know, cross pollination with different
female founders, or something as small as just picking up
the phone, you know, to a woman in your life
who you love, that might need you know, that might
need you for a minute, that might need your support
or your ear or your presence or whatever. So anyway,
not to like wax poetic on that.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
But no, we create our reality. But I think, but
I want to touch on that because I actually think
that that's a very important point for all of us.
Is sort of like it's like it's not like blinders
or ear muffs. It's sort of like, no, no, no,
I'm actually like not spending time on this negativity that's

(22:17):
trying to be thrown at me. I'm not engaging in that,
and I'm actually just going to take the good, right,
because I think that's important. I think we can't control
sort of what happens to us. We can only control
how we deal with it and how we choose to
take it in right.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
We can also control what we let into our field.
So I would even say that we could expand on
that and say we can't control what happens, but we
maybe can control what happens to us by virtue of
like what we choose to let into our field, right,
Like we have a conscious choice to not let certain

(22:56):
things come through like silly example.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
But you know, I know that I've seen you.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Talk a little bit about this on social media, just
like sometimes that that world can be sort of like
a spiral of you know, all kinds of things, right,
whether it's chatter or gossip or negativity or this or that.
We get to choose how we participate in that space,
and we also get to choose what we let in.
So once I had that switch.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
That flipped switch, yea.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, okay, once I had that like epiphany, which was gosh.
I mean, you know, I was coming out of like,
you know, some of the you know, most like pop cultury,
you know, films, I guess of our lifetime.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
The casual Can I throw that? Can I throw the
Twilight Bomb? I mean, can I just like that? I
think maybe one of the biggest film phenomenon phenomenons in
like pop culture history. I think, I mean, I'm sure
it's broken. I don't know, actually, but I can make
an assumption that it's broken every part culture record in history.

(24:03):
I don't even know how you come out of that.
I don't even The thing is, like I think with
things like that, it's a little bit like it goes
back to like Beatlemania, right, or like you know, when
I first started, I worked with like the Backstreet Boys
and Brittany, and like there was that like insanity of
like and I think it's it's interesting that I think,

(24:24):
without question, people that come out of those experiences, I
think you almost while grateful. I think I think crave
peace a little bit, right, I mean, like peace and
maybe privacy. But but it's not without gratitude, I guess.

(24:45):
I think it's like you take from these experiences, right,
like how do you because I feel like now when
I think of you, I think of peace. I think
of someone who is living this. I don't want to
say fair retail because fairy tale seems not real. I
think you live a very, very real life. And I
think also because I know you personally, you wouldn't have

(25:09):
it any other way. But to me, you seem so peaceful,
calm and wise. But I think part of that comes
from so much experience and wisdom of like trial and
error within yourself, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I don't want to burst the bubble of all the
amazing things you just said.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
But but I'm not a piece no.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Example of.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
This is such an example too of like where like
our perception too of my gosh, well.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
I don't I don't share a lot of like personal.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yes, I'm very private, and so because of that, you know,
we let people in on a side of ourselves that
I mean not to get too real here, but it's
just like who I am. But we let people in
on the side of ourselves that we feel connected to,
but also a side of ourselves that we aspire.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
To lean into.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
And sure, you know, and the truth of the matter is,
my life is so chaotic that I trade that piece
and that like and I want to manifest that and
call it in. And so in those moments where I
have that tranquility or that clarity or that piece, I
maybe share, you know, snippets of that. But like, I
always laugh thinking about what life actually looks like. Like

(26:24):
my office right now, well, I guess it looks pretty.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Peaceful behind me because you can't see anything going on that.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
But you know, I work sixteen hours a day, I'm
working seven days a week.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm in the grind. I'm an entrepreneur. I'm running two companies.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I mean I'm running one company and I'm a co
founder of another, which is you know, essentially, you know,
you're in the grind even if I'm not running it.
I'm in the grind.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
And then I work with other companies and I have
other jobs because I don't pay. You know, when you're
an entrepreneur, you're not paying yourself through your companies. And
so then you wake up one day and you go,
wait a second, I've got six jobs. I'm juggling, and
I didn't even learn how to juggle, so how do
I do this? And then I do a really good
job sometimes of saying that's it.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
I need a moment. I'm going to turn off my phone.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I don't care that I've got seven thousand emails that
are coming in, because I don't like the feeling of
I have to catch up when I wake up in
the morning and catch up when I go to sleep
at night. We're never caught up, Like I hate the
hamster wheel and I hate feeling anxious, and so then
I just sort of like wash my hands and say
that's it. I'm shutting down for a second. And those

(27:33):
are the moments that maybe you see because I'm not
necessarily like putting the grind out there, but you know,
I'm so in the grind and I crave that that
piece now.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I feel it though I feel it in your writing.
Though I feel it. I do because here's the thing,
this is how I perceive it. Like if I didn't
know you, what I would perceive is she's very private,
but she's basically telling us very calmly. Her life is mental.
Everyone's sick in the house. She's been in a set
grind for three weeks. She's juggling multiple businesses that she's

(28:05):
trying to build or investing in, also trying to live
out her passions, also trying to be a good wife,
also trying to be good to herself. But then you
find those moments because I actually think that there is
a gift in being able to stop, because that is,
to me, has always been the absolute biggest challenge. And

(28:27):
then when I stop, it's because I got really sick
or like, you know, something happened, and so I think
it's sort of like I know what you're doing because
I live what you're doing, and so I get it.
But at the same time, I think you've been able
to carve out in your life the you time for
because you know that for your mental and physical health.

(28:49):
And as a mother, we have to do that right,
like we have to.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Do Did you get really sick?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I did, And I'm just just before I had my
first son. I I was working twenty hours a day,
seventays a week for what fifteen years straight without a break,
no weekends, no whatever, missed everything important, and then I
got vertigo, very very serious vertigo for like a full year,

(29:16):
like I couldn't drive a car.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I had vertigo that year for four months.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
So you know, yeah, it's I do.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
That's I was wondering what you were went through. Yeah,
you know, it's the body.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
So there's a reason why statistically, women get autoimmune.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Diseases at a far greater rate than men do. And
there's a reason why, you know, So the body.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
The body talks right loudly, and we think about like disease, Well,
it kind of starts as a whisper.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yes, and we don't listen no, And it starts.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
By saying like, you know, hey, chill, you know you
you've been getting you know, colds a little bit more frequently,
or maybe you've got some insomnia.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Or that's where you've got this like lower back pain
and you can't put your finger on.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Exactly what it is, or digestive problems or whatever it is.
The body starts to whisper and then we don't listen, right,
that's part of it.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Then it gets louder, and then it gets louder.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
And then you wake up one day with debilitating vertigo
as you did for a year, and you don't know
where to turn, and it's the most humbling thing. Yes,
to be brought to your knees literally with no option
except to listen.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Ye, and you know, I've been in that moment.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
So it's really like the it's very the timing right
now is really it's not lost on me. Oh yeah,
where I go? How much can you grind? How much
can you be in it? How do we set women
up in this society to have you know, it's interesting
like you look at the evolution of you know, the

(30:55):
woman's journey in society and the home and how that's
been sort of redefined, and how we went from one
end of you know, this pendulum to the other with
you know, working and careers and being career driven and
all that's amazing, And then you have this burning desire
to be fully career driven and also be a fully

(31:16):
devoted parent and a fully devoted partner, and you start
looking at all the hats you're wearing.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
And then the thing that's happened.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Is that we really glorified that because no one has
wanted to kind of like stand up and go wait
a sec.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
But is this help? Like are we healthy?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Also at the same time because it if of course
it feels good to be able to do it all
and in many ways. Women are sort of built in
designed to you know, I meaning me.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Birth damn it by the way exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
So we're designed sometimes to be able to just keep
things together that keep the home together, keep the you know,
kids are sick for you know, their coming to mama
and you're sick. You're still a mama and you're still
showing up to work and you're still so at some point,
I do hope that the conversation shifts to just a

(32:11):
gentle landing place for women to say, hey, can I
do it all? And is it okay if I can't?
You know, like, where does that land does it have
to be? When we wake up with you know, an
autoimmune disease.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Or debilitating vertigo or whatever it may be.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
So it was interesting because I was calling all of
my doctors and granted I was, you know, like three
months two three months postpartum when my vertigo started, and
it was like a massive hormone shift anyway, so they
were trying to figure out, you know, what it was.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
But I was having my blood drown and.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
They're like, but your hormembones are pretty balanced and how
are you feeling otherwise? And I'm like, well, is that
a real question because there's a lot going all.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
I didn't. I didn't take off work. You know.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
In my first I was like, Okay, I can really
do this, and so I don't. I don't feel like
I need to. So with my second I had that
you know, humbling moment of being like, well, what is
going on in our country where we're not setting up
women for success by giving them, you know, the paid
leave that they deserve and the support system that they deserve,
and we don't set them up with you know nutrition,

(33:21):
you know, nutritional foundation or you know free and paid
for doulah care or postpartum care or any support system
at all.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Actually and wild West for us there.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It's yeah, I mean, you know, hello, United States of America,
we have a lot.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
To improve in this area.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Like how are we having this conversation when you look
at other countries that give people six months both partners
by the way, mother and father of paid time off
and a support system and access to a midwife or
a doula to help you transition into what is not
only the most important journey of you know, your lifetime
or one of let's say I consider it to be

(34:01):
the most important journey in my lifetime, but not only that,
we're not thinking about the societies that we're building as
a result of not having that care. When you have
a mother that doesn't have that support, that obviously is
trickled down into whether it's through literally the levels of
cortisol in her body that's being transferred through breast milk

(34:21):
into your baby, or whether it's just the sort of
emotional fragility and that, you know, and women going back
to work and you know, babies, you know, not having that,
you know, the time that they deserve with their mother,
and mother's not having the time they.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Deserve with their babies.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Anyway, I just feel like there's so much to be
said about ambition and also about the you know, that
side of things and how much we put on our plates.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
And how much is expected of us as women.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
But then at the same time, just looking at you know,
this country and society and how we have not been
able to set women up for success in their journey
into motherhood and then you know the result of that.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
And I think, I you know, and it's hard to
say because I think some people try to give us
grace and we don't take it. I think it's I
think it's both, Like I think I think there's I
think there's a guilt that we carry about, like oh no, no,
I got this, I got this. No no, no, I
can do both. I can totally do both. And then

(35:23):
to your point, it's societal. It's like, why at what
point do we feel it's okay to say, okay, guys,
we actually can't do it all? Right, Like, and is
that okay too? Because my friend, very successful friend who
founded Netta Porte, Like literally she's one of my she's

(35:44):
like a magical human being, an incredible mother and all
the things. And you know, she has since like sold
it ten years ago and the whole thing, but has
gone on to do really big things. But she said
to me once, like, is it okay if we just
say we can't do it all? Because I actually think
that's okay. Why why is it okay that men don't

(36:07):
have to do it all? But we have to choose
to do it all or not have a career or
not have kids, or is it okay to yield on
one one day and one another day? You know? And
we had this real conversation about it, and it was
really fascinating to me because she's one of my greatest
like mentors, right, and so it's it's you know, there's

(36:30):
just people in your life where you fall on words, right,
you fall in what they say. And the way she
said it was so like matter of fact, but yet
felt like I don't I don't know. If I don't know,
I know, we no way, we do have to do
it all? What are you talking about? Like like you know,
and so I think it's just.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
The conditioning, that's the conditioning. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
So, but I think what's important now is that we
can navigate our paths to not just what makes us
happy and fulfilled, that we live whatever our measure of
success is, right, but that you stay at this point
because I consider you to be in phase two or

(37:13):
phase three. God only knows. You've had a lot of phases.
I don't know I'm in phase God, I don't know
what phase I'm in either, by the way, but you
still feel like you touch all the things, right. But
I feel like you've had to me you have. You
have so much wisdom for such a young person, like
you feel like you've lived a bunch of lives. But

(37:34):
I also feel, as you said, you're still a student
and you're very humble and very gracious. But at the
same time, I feel like you're very clear on what's
important and drives you the most in your life. And
obviously we know that's kids and family, But you are
doing what makes you happy now, right, And so I

(37:56):
think you're creating businesses and supporting businesses that you so
firmly believe in, right, And but that does not protect
you from the insanity of being an entrepreneur. And it's
you know, I want to talk about that for a
second because I always like to to sort of ask, like,

(38:20):
what are the things because again, there are common threads
with entrepreneurs. What are the things that scare you the
most in your work and what are the things that
sort of excite you the most? You know, like what
what are the things that you're like you go to sleep.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Like.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
What if like I don't this isn't working. I'm not
sure people are understanding this. I'm not like or aren't
there those things.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
That's think?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Well, I you know, I guess when you have your
head down and you're in the work, I try so
very hard to not let fear kind of like dictate
the past, because you almost have to like be blinded
to it a little bit, just so that you can

(39:12):
be crazy enough to continue to believe in your dreams,
right totally, But you know, with with buy you for example,
so I self fund the company. I've never taken a
dollar of outside money. And that might seem like an
easy thing to do if maybe somebody just assumes you
have so hard and sources. But let me just say,

(39:35):
like I you know, I have worked very very very
very hard. And whatever you see online, you know, when
you look at someone's net worth is not true. I
don't know if anyone knows that, but those numbers are
all just fabricated on Google.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
The most ridiculous thing.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
It's a ridiculous thing.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Like you can google what is someone's net worth and
it says some weird number that you go, well, I.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Wish that were I didn't even know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
So I work, and when I work and I get
paid from jobs, I self fund that money then funds
my business. And you know, I have to balance that,
right because I'm also responsible.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
For a lot. I have a life that I.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Paid for, and I also you know, I take care
of and help of course you know, family and got
two children and so anyway, there's a lot of pressure,
and I suppose that could be one fear that continues
to pop up, is you know, making sure that you're
managing money properly as a woman. Because also another thing
like I'm not one to give unsolicited advice, but I

(40:38):
will just say right here that as a woman, if
there's one skill I wish that you know, someone had
just instilled in me at a young age, it's managing money.
And I had, you know, I learned that and I
learned it on my own. But I learned it by
being taken advantage of by not knowing how to read uh,
you know, bank statements and ledgers and accounts and quick

(41:00):
books and not knowing how to ask the questions or trusting,
you know, trusting people to help me do.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Things that you know, I should have done it myself.
And so I learned.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I would say I was fifteen years old when I
learned that lesson the hard way. And so that's one
thing for sure. So that's a fear. You know, I am,
I am the founder and also the CEO of my business,
and so I'm making a lot of big decisions.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
You with love that I am behind plug plug.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, and now Ian and I have launched the Absorption Company,
which I am so very excited about, and I.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Want to talk about that. I want to talk about that.
Well first, first rewind for one second, so buy you
with love. In case someone listening does not know about it,
it is a well I would like you to explain,
actually because I don't want to speak about it.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
So we were the first jewelry company, to my knowledge,
that's my disclaimer, but the first jelly company to use
one percent recycled gold from recovered technology through our partnership
with Dell Dell Computers to make fine jewelry. So right
now we really specialize on bridle and engagement. That's sort

(42:15):
of our you know, our our passion area, if you will.
But you know, we have over three hundred pieces to
choose from, and it's certainly not all bridal right now
on the side alone, and we also have a really
nice selection of curated products from other female founders and
makers that's outside of the jewelry space. Just because of
what we spoke about earlier, I really believe in cross

(42:37):
pollinating and using any platform that I have, if you will,
whatever you want to call that, saying that we've all
been working so hard to build to support other women
in their works.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
So it's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
We use diamonds that are grown with solar energy or
hydropowered diamonds. We offer the option to all of our
customers and clients and using repurposed and recycled metals. So
that is by you with love, and I will tell
you the level of joy and inspiration and creativity being

(43:11):
a part of a business that is quite literally involved
in the you know, the moment of like most potent
and pure love. It's such a joy to work with people,
with our clients who come to us at this amazing
moment in their life where they're about to get married,

(43:31):
and you're a part of that joy and you're a
part of People want to wear things that are a
reflection of their morals and their ethos and by you,
you know, when you're considering the planet and what you
wear and that becomes about you know, that's part of
your story. People no longer want to just wear things.
They want to wear things that they're proud of, that

(43:53):
are a reflection of who they are, that they want
to talk about in front of their future children, that
they're you know, dreaming about at that you know at
that table, and I it's just it's it's really I'm
so proud of our of our little company, and I
love being a small business, and I love the women
on our team. We have an amazing team of gosh

(44:15):
ten now and that's such an incredible feeling too, to
be a part of their story. So that is by
you with love. Thanks for asking, because you.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Have a good order. And I put on all my
sparkles for you today.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
It's so good. Don't think I've been staring at your
necklace the whole time, by the way, I don't even
because sparkles.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I've got these for you. These are new round pieces,
and you love that.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
I love the idea of like stacking things and being
able to kind of like add to this story, you know.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
And so that's what this.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
New Crown collection is all about, is like you can
keep adding to your story.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
It's gorgeous. It's getting higher and higher and higher.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Yeah, exactly. Pretty soon I see you and you're like,
it's here.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I can't bend my finger anymore. I can't. Okay, so absorption,
so tell me about that, because I recently got absorption
and there was no note and no anything and I
was like, oh my god, what is this. It's amazing.
I had no idea. And then I found out a
couple of days ago it was yours, and I was like,

(45:24):
well that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Oh no, that was a mistake. I'm so sorry about it.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Probably, Carol, I'll tell you about it here. So here
it comes. Okay, So the absorption company in a nutshell,
here we go. We have a piece of patented technology
that takes lipophilic material and turns it into a water
soluble powder. And I'll explain that in a second. And

(45:51):
then the process of that, the size of these nanometric
of these particles are reduced to nanometric particles.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
And when you were.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Reduce the size of a particle, you actually increase the
surface area, making it five hundred percent more bioavailable.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
So let's talk about that for a second.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I have been obsessed with absorption and bioavailability and bioaccessibility
for years because I like you.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
And what you were talking about.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yes, I abs what do you call it? Bias?

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Nanometric articles?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Nanometric articles? I think about them every night actually, But
tell me.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Was I was, you know, going through a sort of
mystery illness for a long time and was the I
was the sort of person that the marketplace targets for supplements, right, Like,
I bought everything under the sun and nothing worked. And
I was chasing and chasing solutions for the sort of

(46:55):
mystery illness that I had been experiencing for.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Over three years, and thing was working.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
And so you know, when we came across this technology
and our co founders that we partnered with that own
this technology, this was the first AHA moment for me
where I went.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
We need we need people to absorb what they take.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
And I don't know if you know this, but you
pee out over eighty percent of your supplements that you
and that is actually it's actually higher than that, so
that's a sort of conservative number. And that was shocking
to me. And I was like, wait a second. So
I'm being marketed to all day long because I'm desperate
to find a solution and none of it is working.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Okay, then we're going to create it. And so now
we have this amazing opportunity to take you.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Know, to actually build out through this through our specific
ingredient list and using this proprietary technology to create and
increase this this increased bioavailability which is five x it's
five percent more bioaccessible.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
This is this is the solution.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
And I just I believe that people deserve to feel good.
I want to feel good.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
It's so simple, but yet it's really not.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
It's really not simple.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I mean we're being sold things all day long that
don't work, and really that's frustrating to me. Like I
work hard, and I want the money that I am
spending on things to work.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I want it so expensive, by the way, like even.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Supplement right, So the beauty of like like let's take
for example, I mean I have stuff on my desk
because I already have you know, things out, so let's
just open like well, I'm drinking calm right now, by
the way. But restore, which is like you know, if
you're looking at like a hydration so like here's our restore.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
You go.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
So if you're looking at like what would be in
a typical you know, hydration stick, and you're thinking about okay,
electrolytes and you know, magnesium, and then you're looking at
our restore and you've got you know, uh, cap soil vita,
so that's our technology that that capsule is our proprietary technology.
And then you've got full ads so you've got B vitamins,

(49:07):
you've got methyical bollom, and you've got an iasin, you've
got magnesium, you have of course sodium potassium. But then
you have things like alpha GPC which is good for
cognitive function, and you have liposomal glutacion and co Q
ten and you're thinking about this and in order to
put this packet together, I would have to buy a
liquid ivy and then I would have to buy a

(49:28):
you know, like a liposomal vitamin C packet.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Well, let's talk about that in one second. And what
that is.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
You would have to put together ten packets into one
and you'd be spending fifteen dollars a stick.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Who can afford to do that? So we've created it's
like an all in one.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
All of our supplements are actually multi use case. So
it's not just okay, great, take this and you're getting
a vitamin C boost. We wanted these to be, you know,
for multi use case. So that is the Absorption Company.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
And you know lipoxyla.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Have you ever taken or tried to give your kids
like like glue to scion or anything.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
It's like that.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
It's kind of like jet like kind of so it's
bound to a fat So that's what that lipophilic.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Have you ever like squeezed a goopy to yourself?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Have you listened to yourself? Ladies and gentlemen. Nikki has
just become a full doctor. She has She has gone
from acting to jewelry designer to uh Now, I don't
want to call you doctor because I know You're going
to get all defensive about that, but I feel like

(50:33):
you are your passionate health and wellness authority, who is.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Wear that crown?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I'm going to give it, but I'm definitely I'm climbing
and heels. I'm giving you the crown, okay, because this
is my pod and I can crown.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
You can't two o'clock in the morning and still reading
medical journals and I have for the last decade.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
And it's really my passion area. That is true.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
But I don't know that I'm gonna, you know, authoritative
figure or a teacher, because I'm a student forever. But
just going on it really quickly, it's almost impossible to
get those things even into our children because and even
for ourselves, like to take leposomal supplements, it comes in
a goo and then you put it in the bottom

(51:18):
of your you know, it goes into water and then
you kind of have to take it like a shot,
and it's sort of like swallowing like an egg yolk,
Like you just have to like get it down. You
are talking to the about exactly, which is why you
love these because we can take that lipophilic material and
we can actually turn it into a water soluble powder.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
So I'm just gonna I mean, you need a lot
more water.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Than this, but just to give you an example, so
like you open a pack and then you pour like
it's a powder, right, and then you stir which I
don't have a spoon or anything, you like blend.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
It with ice and make it like a frozen thingy
you can.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
But it's delicious without that. Because I was.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Going to ask you does this because that's all the matter.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Want to if you wanted a mocktail out of this.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
My favorite thing is like you could put like a
little sparkling water and a sprig of mint on top,
and you've got a mocktail and it's delicious.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
But it's delicious without it. Sure if you want to.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
You can with like gin or like some champagne or
like totally can I feel like a nice feeling, like
I'm dreaming these.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
I I am so addicted.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I it's one thing to make something that you believe in,
and then it's another thing to make something that you
believe in that's also just so damn good that.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
You actually just like want to drink it because I
actually would love it. I actually would love it. And
so I'm going to do whatever you tell me.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Where is it I do? It's in my house, but
I can't If I leave, then I can't talk to you.
But when I went back, but when we're done, when
we're done, no, I drink.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Tea, Okay, So I'm not.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I gave up all caffeine Jesus coffee five years ago
because I was tired of like the crash.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
I was like on five cups a day, and who
wants to do that?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
And then I went to a really strong tea and
that's right. I'm just replacing one, sure another, and sure so.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
But minus the acid. When you do tea instead of coffee,
it's okay.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Then today you're going to take the energy. Yeah, I
mean that is true. Although we can talk about coffee
quality and why it feels so acidic in your body
but if you take the energy supplement today, I want
immediate feedback from you because you will not have a
spike and a crash because it's a balanced profile. So

(53:36):
you have nanometric caffeine and then you have natural caffeine
from from uh.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Uh, so I can have these every day coffee.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Sorry, I was having a brain far.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
But you can also like look at this whole profile
of like balancing this out where you've got like even
trip to fan that's like my favorite part of our caffeine,
of our energy supplements, that you've got caffeine and trip
to fan, so you're sort of like in this coasting space,
you know, trip to Fannas.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, yeah, it makes you sneapy. So so allegedly that's
the thing I talk about on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Right Thanksgiving, right, Yeah, that's where you hear that it's true,
but it's actually just it has a calming property. So
you're balancing out your caffeine with your calming properties, and
it makes this like I'm telling you, Rachel, I'm not
even I'm not even kidding. Every when you launch a
company and it's you know there's a public figure component

(54:32):
to it, maybe you expect there to be just sort
of some kind of I don't know, just oh no,
well yeah, maybe that too. That's funny that you say that,
but I was saying yes, But I was saying although
Ian and I are like, so the real deal in this.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Oh please you don't listen. I'll take anything you tell
me to take, anything you or Ian tells me to
buy or take, or I will do it. Because you're
the healthiest, slicking person. Your skin is dewey, You're all glowy.
You like ride horses in a field, you like do
all these things that are in nature, and like, to me,

(55:10):
you are this very real. You are living authenticity of
your brand and all the things that you stand behind
and support. And I think listen for better or for worse.
I think that's the thing about building a brand, right,
it has to be true to you. Right, So for
all the ridiculousness of myself, it's like I am who

(55:32):
I am? Right? Like, so this new mob wife thing,
I'm like, mob wife, why is this getting a title? Now?
Like I've been dressing this crazy for my whole life.
I'm so confused, But okay, I'm here for it. But
this mob wife is totally going to be done with
this podcast and go drink restore or whichever one you
tell me to drink, and then I'm going to text

(55:53):
you and be like, I'm going for a hike now
because I feel like a new person. I believe whatever
you tell me. I do, because I also don't think
you'd ever lie about anything to save your life. So
so there's that.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I mean, it is of all the things that get
sort of thrown, you know, in the space of like
can you endorse this or can you And the answer
nine times out of ten, honestly is no. For me,
Like any of the any of the sort of brand
you know, deals that you don't see are all things
that these are products that I actually and absorb is

(56:29):
my company. So that's not what I'm referring to. But
I'm saying anything else you ever seen share a post, Yes,
it's because I've actually found that brand or that company.
I'm already using them, researching, then using, and then I'm
reaching out to the company and saying, Hi, I'm I'm
a customer.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Do you want to work together? That's how that goes.
It's not the other way around.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Like I'm never sitting there going sure, why don't you
pay me to talk?

Speaker 4 (56:54):
About something.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
It just that's not how I can do business because genuinely,
in this space, especially in the health and wellness space,
this is like my this is my whole area of passion.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Yeah, as you can probably tell listen it.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
You know, my team makes fun of me. It's like
if someone says like, oh, how would you wear this?
And somehow or another, like forty minutes later, I have
an answer of the pot because it's like what it's
it's sort of you're not thinking, it's it's what comes
out of your head and your soul, because it's what
you know and and really want to share with other

(57:32):
people and believe in so much, right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, And it goes back to what you were talking
about a second ago too, just with like how how
to build a business and areas of education and all
these things and how what that intersection is. Firstly, I
think that we the best and most successful businesses come
from a place, from a real story.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
And when you are living and breathing that story and
then you create some thing out of the necessity from
that story, from.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Your your life journey or that area of passion.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Then there's bound to be other people that are experiencing
the need or the want for that too, because it's
your real story and humans all have very similar.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Stories as your life.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
It's true, we're all having the same experience with different circumstances,
you know, in different areas, but it's the human journey.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
So there's that.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
And then also just back to education for a second.
Childhood learning is so beautiful because you know, we're now
society where we've put everybody into this kind of.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Like cookie cutter, mold and box, right, the same curriculum here.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Every child has to learn at the same pace, learn
the same curriculum, and then what become the same human?

Speaker 4 (58:47):
I mean, I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Everybody has a different way of experiencing and learning in
that sense. And so childhood learning is so beautiful because
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, which is
like like Mozart, Like, how do you think Mozart would
have done if we had like decided that there was.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Like standardized learning and curriculum or.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Sign we we people get to become their genius and
realize their genius when we as parents or friends or
you know, or you know in the in our communities
see that there is an area of passion and then
we allow people to lean into that. And we have

(59:33):
to do that with our kids, and we have to
do that with our friends, and we have to do that,
you know. Just I think that that's a really important
thing because you know, we're born with whatever our maybe
our gifts are, and then we have to nurture those gifts.
And maybe that person that has that gift is never
going to you know, like excel and like.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Because they yeah, because their brain is in it. You know,
they were meant to be, you know, a structural engineer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah, and we have to figure out how to recognize
that and then give them the gift of that support.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I agree. I mean it's my it's my greatest wish
as I've been raising two kids now ten and almost thirteen,
that all of this country and beyond starts to recognize
that every child is gifted and every child has a superpower.
And that's not how we grew up. We grew up
in this like you learn math at this at this age,

(01:00:33):
you learned this this, This is what you learn in
fourth grade. This sweet It's the most insane archaic system
and that is not reality. And I think we're seeing
and again it goes back to the pandemic of like
seeing what our kids actually are, right because we had
them at home for learning. And I think that, yeah,

(01:00:53):
you know, and so I think that as adults we
can navigate our path now, right, but as kids you
have people navigating it for you. So I think it's
now up to as.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
A system also navigating it for you, not just a
system one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
But I think that you've now in your different phases
and in your life now I want to know. I
think what, like, what are you most excited about now?
And like what like what's next for Nikki? Although you
have twelve businesses, so like I feel like what like

(01:01:32):
I feel like now you have to just like because
you're so impressive and you're so real deal and you're
all the good things, but you also are doing the juggles.
So I think you know what's like what is sort
of the thing that is You're like, Okay, this is

(01:01:52):
this is giving me total happiness and peace now, and
this is what I'm excited for going forward or do
you just try and live in this minute and be
like I'm freaking now, Like I don't know, this is
this is what's happening right now and tomorrow we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I think it's a combo both. I'm definitely in I'm
living in the moment. You know, every second that goes by,
you know, things shift and change, and I'm learning to
be you know, to surrender to that. And that's the
greatest lesson of life is surrendering slow.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
But I think what I'm most excited about right now
is honestly building building businesses that are good for the world,
that are good for people, that can hopefully you know,
I have impact attract Yeah, yes, yes, building businesses with

(01:02:44):
impact and you talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
You know, triple bottom line, you know, people, planet, and
profit and kind of in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
That order, right, It's like building businesses that that encourage, uh,
a better society, better individuals, better homes, and doing them
in a way that's the least harmful to the environment
that we possibly can, and then hopefully at the end
of it all, being able to support your you know,

(01:03:18):
support your family through.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
But like that is, you have to live.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
But like people plan it and then profit and and
I really just like I've got no I feel like global.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
I think I borrowed that. I definitely brow it's a
good one, but you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Know that is all that I that I could hope for,
is to be a part of something that maybe you know,
is able to impact society and and and move you know,
move people in a different way than I was before.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
It worked for me. It totally worked for me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
We're time to get to look showering me in compliments.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
No, but I mean it. It's I mean it. I
mean it because I wouldn't have you on if I didn't.
I think you are as real as they come. I
just love and adore you, and I'll take anything you
tell me too. Don't wear anything you tell me. Yes, Actually,
I swear I'm literally going to do that right now

(01:04:24):
because I could really use a boost. I did not
sleep less.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Okay, I want you to take the energy and I
want you to write me in thirty years.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I am. I love you madly. Give me in a
hugg and a kiss for me. It's that time in
the show and I answer to listener questions. So let's
see what we have today. Okay, what app on your phone?
Do you spend the most time on? Ooh, good question.

(01:04:54):
I'm embarrassed. Instacart, Amazon, honestly with my kids, doc X
and goat. Oh, my god, I have so many apps, ways, photos, Starbucks,
and then Goop for dinner. Okay, hope that answers the question.

(01:05:16):
Can't pick just one. What shows are you looking forward
to seeing from Paris Fashion Week? Oh? So many? Always
Jean Bautista Valley is always a favorite, Valentino Chanel, so many, honestly,
but those are probably some of my top three, I
would say. Okay, so don't forget to submit your questions

(01:05:38):
for next week's episode. All you have to do is
dm us your questions to at Clemion Hills Pod on
Instagram and I may just answer your question. Thank you
so much to my friend Nikki for being on the
pod today. She is so extraordinary. She's so incredibly positive,

(01:05:58):
but she's also vulnerable, and she's also real. But I
would say that she has really tackled so many things
in her life that she probably was very apprehensive about.
And I think it's really difficult, especially as a woman,
to pivot from being something so public and so recognized

(01:06:21):
and so endeared by so many people, and going from
a very very public career to something that is also
incredibly creative. But as she talks about, is a continuous
student of her life and all the things she does
in it at this point, everything from being a mom,
a CEO, a founder, and entrepreneur and all of the

(01:06:43):
fears and challenges and excitement that comes with it. But
I will say that one thing I will always stand
behind with very successful women is that you have to
be authentic. You have to be authentic to who you are,
to what your brand is, to what you stand four
and sort of live, eat, and breathe. But Nicky's amazing.

(01:07:03):
I'm so impressed with her. I could have spoken to
her for hours and hours and hours. I hope you
loved this episode as much as I did, and check
out Nikki's incredibly beautiful jewelry line by You with Love
and now her latest venture Absorb, which I will be
drinking in the next twenty minutes. And don't forget to
write a review. Wherever you get your podcasts, I love

(01:07:24):
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