June 28, 2024 • 52 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe relives the Season One Finale episode "Shut It Down at the Oscars." Just two days before the Oscars, Rachel has to pick Jennifer Garner's dress and Rodger shops for a surprise vintage Porsche to help Rachel through her crisis. Plus, the biggest fight of the season goes down...
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
of course fun. Okay, So here we are at episode
six of season one of The Rachel Zoe Project. This
episode is definitely one of the more iconic episodes that
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consists of Oscar Sunday and a styling kit full meltdown.
It was pretty dramatic, and I actually remember how dramatic
it was in real life.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
As an executive producer.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Of the show, I was very excited to take the
audience behind the scenes of how a stylist truly preps
for the oscars, but juggling clients in real life while
shooting the show was incredibly challenging. So here to dive
into the season finale with me is my producer Mary
Elizabeth jump right in.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh hi, oh hey. I only have one thing to say, Rachel.
It's Brad or I Brad or I's.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Not proper because you're a little bit more grammatically correct
than me.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I think it is correct. It sounds weird.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Brad me or Brad, Yeah, Like choose me or Brad, Brad,
Brad or me?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah? Me or Brad Brad or eye. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It sounds for some reason, it sounds wrong, but it
might be totally right.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It might be it might be totally right. Regardless it
is in the Bravo Universe Forever. Episode six season one
is truly one of the more iconic I would say,
talked about watched. Anytime people come up to you and
want to talk about the show, I feel like, if
they're true Rachel z Oe Project fans, they will reference
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a styling kit or make a joke about a styling kit. Yes, truth,
I think it is. Truly, It's definitely the standout episode
of season one for many reasons that we're going to
get into.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So do you think there was any part of me
that ever wanted to brush my hair? We can we
just be like superficial, vein all the things because looking
at the entire show, and I'm hoping as we unravel
the show, like continue to watch it, that I start
to look a little less haggard.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But it's like, what is wrong with a hairbrush? Like?
What did I was?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I Like, did I burn all my hair brushes? Did
I refuse to use a hairbrush in the show.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't really know, but your hair texture seemed much
curlier to me then, yeah, than it is now maybe,
So I think it was just like annoying and time
consuming to run a brush through it, so you were like,
fuck it, like just do it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I also can tell, and I want to say for
the record that when I wear sunglasses in the show inside,
that is because I did not want to sit in
hair and makeup, right, That's because I was working so
much that I was like, I don't have time to
do hair and makeup for the show. So as you
can tell by my hair, it's clearly slept on and
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not brushed and probably wearing. I can tell because I
look at my skin. I'm like, I have literally no
makeup on. So that is why I'm wearing sunglasses that
take up my entire face.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You're not cooler than anyone. You're not hiding.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
No, it's not that I'm It's not that I'm not
trying to block everyone out. I'm literally hiding my face
because I have no makeup on and under those lights
and the HD cameras, I mean, it's just brutal.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You wanted to hide. Yeah, Okay, So the episode kicks
off with you and Taylor in the studio, focusing specifically
on Jennifer Garner, who is attending the Oscars and also
presenting at the Oscars. So earlier on in the season,
we find you at fashion Week, we see you at
the Oscar Deliverenta Runway show. You and Brad have a
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discussion about the gowns you want to have from that
collection for Gen. You also then go to Oscar's studio.
He shows you other gowns that you also would like
to have for Gin. And so these basically your top
three Oscar Dili Rena gowns arrive at the studio and
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you have Taylor put them on before you're fitting with
Gin to kind of get a vibe of how they fit,
what the fabric looks like, etc. Was that common? Did
she try on clothes for you a lot?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, well, full disclosure.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Taylor as brutal as she comes off, like, as angry
and miserable as she comes off, she loves pretty clothes.
And so a lot of times when I wasn't there,
she would like take things out of the box and
try them on to just see.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But like I would have her.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Try on gowns sometimes or sometimes we'd have in turns
to it so that I can literally see it on
on someone other than like a.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Model on the runway, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And Taylor, as much as she bitched about it, actually
liked it, Like I think she even says that in
the episode right that she actually like didn't hate trying
to dresses.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Ull. Did you ever try on balance before clients, I
mean to get like a feel for it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Maybe very rarely, very rarely, because I was very superstitious
with myself.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It felt weird, it felt.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Its crossing a line.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, it did.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I was such like a goody goody about that, Like
I don't know, I was so precious with my clients
and and I think like I didn't want to feel
like I put their look on, and somehow trying it
on an assistant felt okay.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yes, but Taylor sometimes would refuse, as you can imagine.
And I think, but I also what I tried to
do is I tried to also put it on someone
who had a body similar to the client. Sure, Like,
like I remember had an intern that was really tall,
and I would always have her try and stuff for
Cameron to see her.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, that makes sense, you know, that makes how tall
is Cameron?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Do you is she's tall?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Cameron is like five to ten, Yeah, Cameron's five nine
five ten probably.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, Okay, that's true. Yeah, okay, So the three gowns
are in Taylor's trying them on, and then you It
cuts to a video package of Jen talking about you.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
She's just the cutest.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Was it really heartwarm? I hope it was heartwarming for
you to see because she's very complimentary of you. She's
her typical, wonderful, relatable self in saying, I don't really
know anything about clothes or fashion, but I love Rachel.
I'm proud to be her first client. She says, I
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am very you know, not in the know. She says,
you have impeccable taste, and she says like she has
an appreciation of fashion because of you.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Jen and the irony.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Now, fun fact is that we've been school parents together
for the last several years. And that's how like full
circle our life went. Like when I started working with Jen,
she was living in this great little house in the Palisades,
and she was shooting Alias, and she was working the
most grueling schedule, Like it felt like she was working
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six days a week. I don't know if that's legal,
and I'm probably am making that up, but like I
would go to her trailer for her fittings. I would
get like thirty minutes with her to try on everything,
and it was literally in the middle of nowhere, Like
literally I would drive like an hour or two and
fit her at like one am because that was her
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quote unquote like dinner break right if they were shooting
at night or whatever. So she had the craziest schedule.
And Jen truly is the nicest, most considerate, most real
girl person.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And the thing about Jen and.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
People always would like ask me, what's the thing we
don't know about Jenn? What's a fun fact about Jenna?
Like she's literally the funniest person I've ever known. She
surely the funniest. Yeah, self deprecating, but she really has
an appreciation and takes great humor in herself. And I
think that's how we connected because I really make fun
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of myself all the time, and she made fun of herself.
And so it was this perfect marriage of like, Okay, Jen,
if you wear this, I promise I will have a
bathrobe and slippers waiting for you in the car to
get into the minute you jump in the car, you know,
and so.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I love a little bribery.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well yeah, and also I would come in and we'd
come in with like a deer and Paul Star, May
he rest in peace, one of the most brilliant makeup
artists of all time, died very tragically from an illness,
very like suddenly, and we will miss him honestly forever.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
We still talk about him all the time.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But yeah, but we were this like kind of dream
team that all just would commiserate and talk about. You know,
we would meet and talk and have eighteen meetings and
inspos and Jen would just sit there and be like
in her overalls making us piscotti and be like huh yeah,
and she'd be like, Okay, tell me what you want
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me to wear. She would be like, just just tell
me your dream and then I'm going to tell you
what I want to be in and then let's find
like and then sometimes she wouldn't even look in the mirror.
She would just literally I'd put her in something and
she'd be like, Okay, so we love this great and
that was it, and that was you know, She's she
she was. Jen was my first red carpet Hollywood Awards
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season client.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
She is correct about first.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
One going to big.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
She was the first time that I ever styled somebody.
I think it was for the Emmys in two thousand
and three. God help me. Yeah, that sounds right, Yeah,
and so crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It is funny now we were you and I were
commenting as we were watching the episode, it's funny now
to so you. There's a black gown, there is a
true ball gown like a princess, and there is a
very like almost like mermaid fit, sort of very tight
with a lot of tool that kicks out at the bottom.
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And you love that gown. You loved the tool.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You thought it was an Oscar made that for her, right,
and you loved it. You rest in peace, hey, he
rest in peace. Also, you loved that one.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
You had an instinct that Jen was going to want
to wear the black and you didn't want to force
her into the can't the tight tool because in those
times when you were dressing people, best dressed and worst
dressed was an actual thing.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Not only was it a thing, but it was polarizing.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
There was like it was free press to say whatever
anyone wanted to be as cruel as you wanted. The
fashion Police with Joan Rivers and like Stephen Koshikaru and
like all these people were at the height of like
fashion criticism. They felt and in my opinion, had no
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right to do that because they weren't actually fashion people
and they didn't actually know anything about what went on.
It's not like today when you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know, my comedians they were.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
They were comedians using real people as uh fodder like
and and you know, subjects for for for their humor.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Don't you kind of laugh now at thinking about caring
about that. No, not caring about it, but just the
dress itself.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It was not a rest, It's not it was completely
it was they at all. It was like a ballerina dress.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's so funny now to think because as we were saying,
we were like couture has like exploded into these like
volume and layers of tool and very gaga like, right,
this was like before that. So it's just so funny
to be like, oh, this dress, it's a risk.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But I think the thing was was in those days,
you know, twenty years ago, if you had.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There was chare and b York right.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Or yeah, b York, huh York. She wore the swan, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And you had that, but that was like its own world,
that was its own thing. Okay, share is going to
come in in like a headdress, right. And then there
was the act the movie stars that were expected to
look like movie stars, right and like give us our princess,
give us our queen, give us our whatever. And the
only people that would take a risk was like a
Cate Blanchette or a Nicole Kimmen maybe, And because they
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were these tall, swan like creatures, yeah, they could get
away with it. Even if people hated it, it was fine,
you know. And so for me as a fashion person,
I really battled that in my subconscious was sort of
like or my conscious I would say, was this is fashion,
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this is boring but safe. Yep, I want to do fashion,
but I also don't want them to get crushed in
the media because that will kill them. And a few
of them didn't care what the media said. And most
of them did, right, they did, even if they said
they didn't, they did.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You know, they're human, Yeah, they're human, and I think
and I think so for me, what ultimately became the
biggest challenge for me as a stylist was how do
I find the place to make media, mainstream media happy
and fashion happy and them the happiest. How do they
feel the best and them get great press on all sides.
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And that's really ultimately what I remember the most in
the end was having that, and then I would it
came to a point where I would literally say to
my client, like the people magazines and US Weekly is
are not going to understand this look.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Right, They're just not going to get it. But if
you love it, you're like, I got your back.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And also Women's Wear Daily, Vogue and all the fashion
magazines will love this dress, right, So it was sort
of like choose.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You have to pick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Never, it almost never was loved by all, which is
why later the Valentino, the one shouldered coral Valentino that
gen war, the archive from nineteen seventy one, that was
shocking because everyone loved that, right, And that was like
a big sort of coup, I guess, and a game
changing moment in my career because I was like, wait,
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I didn't think they were going to get that, Okay,
So I think to Jen's thing is because she it's
so it was ultimately so important for me that the
client that I was not pushing them, Yeah, because I
don't want to hold that responsibility and also for her
to not feel, yeah, her best self. And I will
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say this about the Ivory one. It washed her out ultimately.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah. Well she said it was a little too nude.
It was.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It was the color ultimately, and what I realized at
that point, had it been blush pink nude, it would
have worked. Yeah, but it was truly nude, and it
made her yellow.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, I feel like her hair was very like darker
than than it is now. Okay, So simultaneously as you
are a crazy person dressing a million people for the Oscars,
Roger is shopping for your tenth anniversary.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Gift, because of course the Oscars was always around our anniversary.
Of course, not to any any listeners. Don't get married
in February if you're in fashion or in entertainment, yees,
don't do it too much going.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
On, too much going on, Just don't do it.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
So Roger is on the hunt for a vintage Porsche.
And he is, you know, telling viewers that, like, you
have a passion for vintage cars and you always spot
them and like them and whatever. Is that still true?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Do you notice I'm obsessed with vintage. Okay, Well, here's
the thing. Since I've had.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Children, I'm less obsessed with anything like that because my my,
like before I had children, everything was focused on like
what was beautiful materials, things to collect, blah blah blah.
And like now I'm like, what's the safest car that's pretty? Yeah, Like,
but it's the biggest tank that is pretty that can
protect us from getting hit by a bus?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I would I would probably, you know, I would imagine
that the vintage Porsche does not have airbags.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It doesn't have anything. It doesn't even fairly as we felt.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
No. So it's very sweet. Roger is talking to a
friend about it. He's doing his research about the car,
which is very sweet because I also, if you remember,
in episode five, you guys got into it about the
plans for the anniversary, so.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And also we.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The other thing is I want to really point out
about the show until I think the last season is
that we were like two successful entrepreneurs I guess that
work twenty four to seven and had no kids.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Sure, so like we were just like what are we buying?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, where are we going? Like you got cash, life
was a little more flexible. You were flexible Okay. So
meanwhile at the Rachel Zoo studio, tension is really building
between Brad and Taylor. Taylor has a little micro meltdown
about garment bags.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Taylor had to melt down once a day.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, so it's you can definitely feel the tension between
them building. I think you even say in an interview,
Brad and Taylor are acting like oil and water. Like
it doesn't seem like they're gelling. It doesn't seem like
they are communicating on the same wavelength. You make a
plea to them to be like, please, can we just
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table all of this until we get through Oscar Sunday
and then we can like have a come to Jesus meeting.
So tension is for building. Then you and Taylor go
do a big jewelry poll, which is my favorite part
about the episode, and you say to the clerk at
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the jewelry place, You're like, I need more trays to
create stories. Ye, so I want you to it is
like a true styling tip for people. I want you
to explain what you mean by that, because I think
it's a good takeaway for people.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, I mean, because it was never really pulling. For
one dress.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I had to be prepared with multiple options for each look.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So if we had the new dress, the black dress,
because at the time we didn't know which dress right,
and that was I would say eighty percent of the
time my clients didn't decide till the night before the
morning of because there was always it was always down
to two yeah, and they were typically apples and oranges,
and it was really hard. And I think now I
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see clients, I see stylists, and they have one choice.
They pick the jewel you know what I mean, There
isn't It's interesting. I don't know why that is. I
think it's because more celebrities deals with different houses. So
it's like which Louis Vuitton look or which Janellite right,
So it's a little less I think dramatic in that way.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
But the jewelry.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So what I did was there was different ways that
I could style jewelry for the look.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So even if I had an ivory, if she wore
the nude dress, right, with a new dress, it's a
blank canvas. Same with a black dress, honestly, Like so
you could go yellow gold with colored stones, right, or
you could do and very vintagey, or you could do
platinum with diamonds, you could do full deco, you could
do you know.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So I liked to.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Create trays that had jewelry that was merched together. So
it's like, okay, we're going with yellow vibe. Okay, let's
do this. So it was like these earrings, these and
I created stories like vignettes.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Totally makes sense. This was before smartphones. Were you taking
photos on your BlackBerry of the tray so you remembered
or polaroids polaroids, polorids or I was gonna say, or
was the store packing them up for you in one place?
Like this is the story for the black.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Na Typically No, Typically I would just set them up, right.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I had to get to the client and then reset
up the story.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And that's the thing people don't see is like behind
all of this, there's you know, security guards everywhere, millions
of dollars of jewelry.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You're signing, you know, pretty intense paperwork. Also when you're
loaning that amount of jewelry.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And as a stylist, we had insurance sure for these things.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
You know, right, what's is there a big jewelry snuff
foo that you can remember about like an oscar?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
When I got robbed the night before an award show. Yeah,
that was a big stuffoo.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That was a big staffhoo. But didn't you but didn't
you personally had stuff taken, but didn't you throw a
towel over the cartie jewelry and they didn't touch it.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's the freakiest thing that ever happened. It was like
one of those weird gut things that I did before
I ran down the street to have dinner and put
the borrowed jewelry on my shoes shelves and it was
entreys out for the fitting the next morning at eight am.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And as right.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
As I was leaving, even though my closet had dead
bolts and whatever, I remember throwing something over the trays
on my shoes shelves. It was like a scarf or
a towel, I can't remember, just so it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Like out and exposed.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, And ultimately the thieves took stuff from my jewelry
drawers which had my personal drawer and totally did not which,
by the way, better better, better than hard Lightning cartoon.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
But honestly for business and for your oh god, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I don't know how I would have rectified that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, that's but I also had an assistant that got
her car broken into with a million garment bags in
it in front of Earth Cafe.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, it's scary, that's it's an intense thing.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
That's very bad. We were watching the Jewelry Story moment
and you were like, oh my god, what is that
diamond ring on my finger?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And it's so it's still you. You were like dripping
in Diamond Story. Truthfully, you just such a jewelry freak
that you're like putting jewelry on yourself as you're pulling.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
There was never a moment that I would pull jewelry from,
whether it was vintage bowlgry Carte, Van Cleeve, Fred Layton,
Neil Lane, that I wouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
At least three or four pieces on me while I
was pulling it.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I remember you and I were in fourteen Carrots in
La and we were we had run in for somebody's gift.
It was like Pamela's birthday or your mom, somebody was
somebody was celebrating something and you were going to have
jewelry picked for them. So we're in there and we're
putting stuff on, and you got home and you had
like two rings on your hand, and I was like, Oh,
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let me text the girls and tell them I'm going
to drive it back because you just love to load
yourself down more and more with jewelry. As you are
pulling jewelry Taylor again, we see a scene of you
and Brad. You're clearly in like the office part of
your house slash studio. You guys are yucking it up.
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You guys are like joking and teasing each other. The
footage is cutting back to Taylor moving downs on rails,
opening boxes, schlepping around in the studio. There's a scene
where you and Brad are still chatting and it looks
like she's sort of lurking in the hallway and she
overhears you guys whatever chumming.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It up, and she has.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
A little bit of a fit and storms out.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Of the studio.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You have to call her. I think you have a
scene in a car where she is very upset by
the workflow of the studio. She feels like she's still
doing all of the grunt work that Brad was hired
to take off of her shoulders. She makes a lot
of comments about schlepping garment bags, which is like the job,
by the way, and again you make a plea. You're like,
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what do I need to do. I don't I can't
have you unhappy. I can't have Brad unhappy right now.
I need you guys to like work together, please, We've
got so much going on. It's the Oscars tomorrow, Like,
just can we table this whatever? You throw out an idea,
you say, maybe I'll hire another assistant, and she's like, great,
that sounds like a solution. Obviously you're not going to
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hire someone overnight.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Right of course, day before the Oscars.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
So again it seems like you are making sure everyone's
happy so that you can just get through the freaking weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's literally amazing. I was watching this and thinking, like
I was, like I worked for them.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I was like scared of them.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, it appears that you were.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well yeah, I mean, listen, Taylor is a mean girl, clearly.
I mean, I don't have to I mean that that
is so evident. Like the thing is with Taylor is
that she was good at the job.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
She was good at the job. But I think she
was good at the job, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
But the persona is sort of her disposition.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Was just brutal, like it was just brutal, Like there
was these light moments we would have.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, and I would see a little bit of that.
You do see her joke and laugh all of that.
But you know, when you're making a television show, it's
like way more interesting to show her not doing that
and to show her beating.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Truthfully, ninety percent of the time saw her Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And I think because I was such a workaholic, I
just think I couldn't be bothered with it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I was sort of like, that's who she is.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I can't like, I just need to get shit done
and I need someone that can do it well, you
know what I mean. And I think I was more
focused on that than anything else.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, for sure. And around the clients she was professional.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Okay, that's good. Yeah, And it just seemed like it
was so you basically get her back in your good grade,
into a good attitude for lack of a better word.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But I think, as she mentioned, like I didn't want
her to quit.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
No, you couldn't. You couldn't have her quit like it
was it was too much. You have a meeting with
the wonderful a deer, the best, the best of the best,
and he is going through you guys are going through
hair makeup inspiration for Jen for one of the Oscar dresses.
(26:35):
It's so funny to see and hear A Deer because
he still is so passionate and like creative and wonderful
and lovely about how he approaches hair. And it's fun
to see that, Like what you guys were talking about
is what goes down the carpet Jen, he does the
look that you guys are mentioning, like low, totally off
to the side, fuzzy, like not perfect, but a little textured.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think the thing I think the reason A Deer
and I were so connected and still are today.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Is because we definitely worked and probably the hardest. Yeah,
but I think we were.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Equally obsessed and in love with our craft. Like what
we were doing was we both treated it as though
we were saving lives, but yet our love for the client,
especially Jen, was so real that we just were like
(27:34):
and Jen just did.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
She was like, just do whatever you crazy people want,
right She literally she's like makes sure of you guys,
and she's like, lash, it's no last yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Nude lip lip, very lip yeh, funniest. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
So it's wonderful to see a deer and how his
passion for hair and beauty and glamour is still just
as strong as it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And I think he's probably the number one out there,
yes point, if not major top five of like I mean,
there's no one he hasn't done or does, right, I mean,
And he's still you know, he's the sweetest, you know,
he just loves he just loves it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
He's he's an artist, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, he's the best.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And dances, dances at work, that's his thing.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
He is like one of the most positive, optimistic people.
He is, Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And it's it's interesting because we we have our talks,
like we he keeps it real, you know. And his
husband is extraordinary. So love them, love love love them,
love him, love them.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Okay, So now we arrive at Oscar morning. There is
a scene that takes place where Brad and Taylor are
making their kits or setting up their kits for the day,
obviously planting the seed for what happens moments later. So
(28:53):
we talked about the kit in episode five, what it
is and how important it is to a stylists. We
see Brad making his Taylor makes a comment like he
still doesn't get how to pack it like he's She's
telling Joey he needs to put everything in a ziplock
back so you can get it. And Joey's like, well,
if you tell him to do that, he'll do it,
like he's not an idiot, sure, And she's like, why
(29:14):
do I have to tell him?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
She just that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I mean, I think she just was like, I'm she
wasn't setting him up for success. But I think to
her point, it is common sense totally. She's not wrong, right,
you know, like right that is, she's not wrong. She
does remind me of myself, and it's hard for her
to delegate. It's hard to let go of like.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You're I don't know. I have a very hard time
being like you do that for me, right? So I
think that is also a little bit about her, like
I think she has a hard time stopping and explaining
because she just is like I do it, I know
how I do it, I do it efficiently, boom boom.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But she also didn't have any patience, so she wasn't
going to take any extra time.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And ultimately he still is in quote unquote training. I mean,
he was technically new to Newish.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It was his first your.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Clients, Yes, but I think as they were going through
kits that would have been a given like that. It
was definitely his bad. She could have double check to
make sure. But I think, as I look at it,
it's sort of like, but why should she have done that?
Like why wouldn't if he if they have kids, why
(30:23):
wouldn't I need a kid?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Like That's literally what Taylor says.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, and yeah, so I do. I do see that.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Don't understand what happened as we watched the show happened
for real. This was not something that was said.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
No. So so here's the thing I want to say
about this episode. From what I was seeing, one hundred
percent of this episode was real, right. And the reason
I say that is because I very clearly remember and
that's why I have sunglasses on in the whole thing.
I remember saying too the producers, guys, I don't have
(31:04):
time to like stop and reshoot or stop and like
you tell me what to do. This is gonna be
like we're shooting because this is real.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
This is not a drill.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
This is really happening. So you're just gonna have to
follow and get what you can. But I don't I
can't walk down the hallway three times.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
There's no starting.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
If my mic hit something, it hits something.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
If your audio is screwed up like we got it
is what it is. But this is not a drill,
and I have no time to stop and shoot.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So so this was, this was very real.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
This was this was and I'm watching it and I
remember very clearly, like like I think I was crying
at some point, like I under my glasses, like I think.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I felt so stressed out.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I'm sure you were stressed out.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
There's so much adrenaline, there's so little sleep, They're so
you know, it's weird because as a mother, I'm sort
of like, God, you're not fucking saving lives. But at
the same time, that was how I approached it because
the way that these people were were judged still are judged,
and putting them out there in front of the world,
(32:20):
and you're in charge of their entire image in that moment,
and their look and their jewelry and their face and
their you know, and the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
And if it's bad and they feel shit, you're.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Responsible for that. Like how they feel on the inside,
you can't help you try to help that. Obviously, as
best you can. But like, at the end of the day,
there's a responsibility that I carried that stylust carry that
hair and makeup carries that.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
At the end of the day. If they don't feel amazing,
you didn't do your job. Yeah, And that was really
for me.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
That was such a person's personal it's personal, and it
was a very personal heavy weight that I carried wherever
I went. And other stylists that I was friends with
didn't share that same feeling. They were like, eh, she
didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I was like, how do you function? Yeah, how do
you function?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, you're you're married to the game.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's married to the game.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You're married to the game. Yeah. So here's the movements
as I understand them from rewatching it. It's Oscar morning,
It's Divide and Conquer.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I had five clients.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think you had five clients, and two of those
were presenting. So two I believe, Cameron and Jen. I
know Jen was presenting and I think genuine Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So you and I think to me, but we didn't
show her, We didn't.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
We don't follow to me at all. My guess is
that Taylor was with to me because she made a
comment later. She makes a comment later, did anybody even
check on to me?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I did I do everything right exactly? So I think
she probably went into me. You went to Gen. Brad
is a packing up looks for Kate beckhamsale, seemingly just
to drop them off, and then he's going to meet
you at Gen. Right, he is come back to the
studio and he is going back to Kate because they
(34:18):
he gets a phone call she needs more shoe options
and bag options. Was whatever was there isn't working. You
guys have a conversation. You tell him to go. You're
on your way to Jen thinking everything has been Everything
is there, The gowns are there, the shoes are there,
the bag is there. You get to Gen and find
out when Brad dropped everything off, he didn't leave a kit.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So that was real.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
That wasn't a Bravo storyline.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I was at Cameron's. I sent Cameron out.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Oh, sorry, you went to Cameron's. That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Jen was good.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Jen was locked in and her dress that do your dress?
It was between that and another dress. By the way,
Remember she was just It was the most Cameron Diaz
thing you could ever do. Throw on a door, cature,
what a pair of heels and run out the door.
She barely jewelry, barely make up.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I mean she looks like a little surfer girl, so beautiful,
literally surfur contur. Do you remember were there cameras when
you got to Cameron or did you not shoot Cameron?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
No, you did not shoot Cameron. Okay, because I was
curious from a viewer if like you had that footage
and then as EP you guys decided we don't want
to show it.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
It probably showed me like in the car, but I didn't.
Cameron was not aware of any of it. Got it now?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So you get Cameron's very very private. There are certain
clients throughout the season you'll see that, some are very
happy to be on. And I don't think it's that
she didn't. I'm not even sure that I asked. I
think I just I know that Cameron's are very.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
It's very priv Yes, did Cameron realize that you were
sort of floundering when you got there, Like you were like,
oh my god, there's only two pairs of shoes, there's
only one bag, there's no case. Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
It was one of the worst moments of her it
really really Yeah, because I think the expectation that my
clients had of me was I was always the sort
of most over prepared person, Like I had six hundred
things for their one sure, you know, probably almost to
a detriment.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Sometimes I like, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I like overtook their their rooms, you know, with things.
But but I never didn't have what I needed. Yeah,
And I remember the shoes that she chose, I believe
were too big. They were like a half sized big.
And I needed insuls. I needed insuls, And I remember
(36:36):
needing I think tops to I just remembered there was
kit things that were needed in the final moment. Yes,
you know, because Cameron wasn't the kind of person that
like sat for ten hours to get ready. She was
like sometimes she even did her own makeup right, you know,
And and so it was always a I better have
(36:58):
everything like ready for the exit, you know, and not
having it in those moments for someone who is very
low maintenance and doesn't ask a lot is like to
not have what you need, you know. I used to say,
it's like it's like a doctor not having what they
need for the diagnosis. It's like it's like they forgot
(37:18):
their stethoscope, but like not having topstick or pins or like,
that's the job. That is literally the job, you know,
So I'm sure it's embarrassing to you. It's not embarrassing.
It's horrifying. And I was by myself and like.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
And then Joey saves the day? Was that? And that's true?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
That is true.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
You remember calling Joey.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Because at the studio waiting to watch the show because
we always did that together.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, so I nine to one won him and I
was like, oh my god, you've got to drive over here.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Saved the day for real. So, needless to say, you
all meet back at the studio. You've called Taylor to
let her know that it was a disaster at Cameron's,
that shit went bad. You didn't have what you needed.
You know. You're commiserating with Joey and Roger and Taylor,
(38:11):
and then Brad calls Taylor and says he's coming back
to the studio. You have obviously called Brad. It's not
on the show, right, but you've obviously called Brad and
sort of read him the right act.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Remember that I think they show that they think what's
on it.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
They don't show you guys talking on the phone about that.
They show you telling Taylor it was a disaster. You
didn't have what you needed, you didn't have any.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
So maybe I didn't because maybe I didn't because you
know me, I'm not confrontational. I don't like disciplining and
I don't I don't like reprimanding people. And so I
called Taylor to be like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, what planet to something like that happened?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so she hit the fan. Brad comes back.
He pulls you aside into one of the room bedrooms,
and he's very emotional and he's like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Do I can't do this.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
It's too high pressure. I'm you know, he's obviously regretful
of the situation. You're trying to because he's so emotional,
You're trying to calm him down, knowing you you don't
want anybody to be that upset about anything. You're true
pleading with him. You're like, this is closed, it's not
saving lives, it's okay. Everyone makes mistakes. You then say
(39:35):
Taylor once made a mistake when we were on a
shoote in Prague, and then sure, and by the way,
it was with Brad Pitt.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
That was not a fun mistake.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
No, that's not a good mistake either. Then she comes
barreling in the room and says, don't throw me on, like,
don't use me as an example, and I don't make
mistakes and all that that happened in real life. So
when you're shooting something like that and you can see
her lurking in the hallway, which was really happening, and
(40:04):
I'm sure a camera just followed her right in.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You know what it was like. It was like watching
like lions, like pacing.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
At ready to jump in. She was, yeah, so that's
all legit. It's not like was like cut, come back
in the room, tailor.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I remember, we're like, we're not actors. No, So no,
that was as real as it gets.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And I remember I remember after that whole thing production
being like, well that was fucking amazing, and I was
like what happened? Like I literally because I was so
in it, and I was so I think beaten down
at that point.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
So she does come in. That's all real. She tells
you how it is. She says, Brad is not qualified
to do this job. It's common sense, he should know better.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Brad gets very upset. He says, I'm gonna leave. He leaves,
you guys are all Roger gets food for everybody because
it's lovely, classic Roger, and you get a text message
from Brad saying like thanks, but this I can't work.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
In an abusive environment.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Which sparks Taylor to say, like, is he fucking joking
it's him?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Or I.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Did you in real time, in real life, to the
best of your memory, did you really feel like that
was it? Like this was like there there was not
going to be a coming back of this. No, I I.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Knew that if I in that moment, she was dead
fucking serious.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
She was like, I'm so out of here because he's
so far up your ass, he's stroking you. Yeah, he's
blah blah blah and you don't see it and blah
blah blah. And you know, they were just polar opposites
in every possible way.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Sure, so you were like one of them is going
to leave, Like one hundred this isn't this can continue
the way it is now?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Correct, correct and listen, at the end of the day,
Taylor was a bully.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Like at the end of the day, she really in
those moments, right, bullet as I'm watching it.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
She was bullying me. I was literally scared of her.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
And it is so true about what you were what
you were trying to say to Brad about like everybody
makes mistakes before she comes in and correct angry at everybody.
What you're saying about mistakes is so true. It's like,
you don't get better at anything without fucking up.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
You have to suck up or you'll never know. Yeah,
you have, you know, we all I've made countless mistakes.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Everybody makes mistake.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Everyone makes mistakes, but listen, some are harder and in
those days, I don't know if it happens now, but
in those days he would have been fired ten times before.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I have always had more grace yeah than anybody.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Because by the way, even now today I have friends
that are like she did what, Oh, I would have
fired her? Like right, So there is not and part
of me, you know, when I struggle with that because
I think sometimes I'm too soft about things, and then
other times I'm like, but my thing is when someone's
(43:22):
a great person and has an amazing work ethic, but
they're young and they have not experienced life yet or
work life yet, or like haven't earned their great yet
you have to have some grace for that.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I think that being a good person and having an
incredible work ethic and attitude to me is more valuable
than anything else, because you can learn anything else, and
after a certain time, obviously, if you can't learn it,
it's time to let the person go.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Sure, like at some point that grace period has ten, right, But.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Like, respecting and value somebody's work ethic and their ability
to want to learn is definitely an important thing. Do
you remember one of my big f ups? As I
remember your only f up, the only up, nothing, only
you forgot, guys, guys, And I'll never forget it because
it was the worst. I almost went on foot. Okay,
(44:22):
it was nothing, it was They let me in right away.
It was horrifying, Okay, so it was what does it was? Burbery?
It was Barbary was doing a fashion show here in
Los Angeles. Christopher Bailey was taking over the Griffith of Observatory.
At that time, Rachel was living in Beverly Hills. The
show was supposed to start at like six pm, which,
(44:43):
if anybody knows, going east in LA one hour at
five pm is gridlock, brutal and really East, horrible traffic. Yeah,
everything said guests for this show must have the physical
invitation or they will not be allowed at the show.
(45:04):
It's like no exceptions. Didn't care, so they had to
have the physical invitation. What's the one thing I sent
you out the door without you and Roger? You did
not have your paper invitations to get in.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Ikius was a baby and Skyla was a toddler. And
I was doing something in the front or there was
a knock on the door, and I went to the
front and by by your old front door. I'll never
forget you had a glass credenza table and they were
both sitting there and I almost went into cardiac arrest.
(45:38):
And I was like, oh my god, the fucking invitations
are right here. I panicked. I freaked out. I called you.
I was like, I will meet you. I will meet you.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Where are you.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I will come in the car at whatever it was
the kid's dinner time they were. I couldn't leave long
story Sideways. I couldn't leave the house. So now I'm
calling everybody, emailing everybody at broad Racing. Rachel's's on her way,
please let her in.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
She doesn't ever fee. It's my fault. It's not her fault.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
With my phone, I'm taking photos sending them to Roger, like.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Look, this is the front, this is the back, and
I think, like they let us in right away, like
it was no big deal. And I remember like you getting.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
There because Victoria Beckham correct was standing right there, and
you guys just started talking to me like, oh, right
this way, like Mary, it wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
So I happened to walk in with Christopher like you
was right at the front, and Rosie Huntington saved my ass.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
You guys, but I just you were so shook. You
were so shook.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But the thing is, when it involves me, it's not
as bad. When it's with a client, it's much harder.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
That's different.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, it was like me getting my jewelry stolen versus
like car. Yeah, because how do I tell them that?
Speaker 2 (46:41):
All right?
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Exactly, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
So everyone makes mistakes, okay.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And colossal ones are seemingly colossal. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
I mean I've copied wrong people in the wrong emails.
I mean, you do it all, you'll live, you'll learn.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
But also I think had that mistake happened with the
no kit in like a no big deal situation, like
she was going to like a small event and she
didn't have a heel pad, Like okay, right, I think
what ended up happening funny enough in hindsight. I actually
think I ended up jumping in the car with her,
did you, and like and like putting insoles in her
(47:13):
shoes and top sticking and like I had to do
something I think with a piece of her jewelry, Like
there was a whole bunch of things, and I think
I rode with her and I think I like jumped out.
That's so funny, Like I just the whole thing was crazy.
It's like I have laid in cars.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
It's not glamorous to keep their dress straight.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
It's not glamorous. It's just not There's no two ways
about it.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
No. But I will say when I watched this episode,
I will say that it was probably of all the episodes,
probably the most one hundred percent real, unscripted from start
to finish.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
So then we see Taylor call Brad and basically apologize.
She doesn't want to make him feel as horrible as
she did. She kind of gets him back. She's like,
you're not going to quit, are you? And you can
hear them be like no. So it's like all in
the zill right world. Right again, there's harmony until later
and then I get my car and then you get
(48:06):
your car.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
I love my car. We still have our car.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
You still have her, still have our car.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
And the funny part is is that the boys are
fighting for who gets it when they get their license,
and I'm like, no one's sitting in that car. You
can sit in the front seat when Dad drives down
the street and that's it.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Hell no, yeah, hell no.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
It's a beautiful car. Look at Yeah, it's kind of yeah.
I remember a lot of triple triple A cars. Yep,
it needs a new battery. It's gotta jump, you gotta
jump it all yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I just remember whose car it is? Dylan, mkay, Dylan
in peace? I know, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (48:42):
That's wild?
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Okay, So watching all of season one.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Back, was there only six episodes?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
There's only six oh in season one, and then we
went to eight and then you guys jumped in, right yeah,
and I think you slightly shorten them it. What is
one thing you wish the show showed more of in
season one?
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Well?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
First off from a vanity perspective. Me with better hair
and makeup and better lighting.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Got it. I'm here to say that the lighting does
get better.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I will tell you, okay, thank god, yeah, because that
is unacceptable lighting on acceptable lighting.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
What was the question, would I wish they showed more of?
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yes? What do you wish there was more footage of?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
In all of season one? I know my answer.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
They covered a lot of real ship, the real stuff.
But I'm thinking about it, like it was pretty raw,
you know, it was pretty raw, like I was crying
and yeah, I mean Odd Studio really did Finn.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yeah, the dresses that Brad was trying to get from
season one was did not arrive, you know, like it
was real. But I wish they would have shown or
shot or included or even set up another photo shoot
watching you style a model for a photo shoot, because again,
you're when you're working around the client thing. A lot
(50:06):
of the times they're there, a lot of times they're
not right right. So watching you really work and style,
there's that glimpse of it in episode five, but I
wish there was more showing you work more in an
editorial head because that's where to me, it's like you
you're you're alive, and you're you can see how much
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you love.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
It because styling a model for a shoot, an editorial shoot,
to me was my happiest place. That was like Disney
for me, truthfully, Yeah, that was Disney. I mean it
was really just the be all end all because it
was my creative freedom. Yeah, you know, there's my creative
(50:49):
freedom and my absolute happiest, you know, happiest me. I
could like do that in my sleep. Yeah, you know,
it's just but I didn't make any money doing that.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Right to me, it's the most exciting part because you're
really watching you sort of in real time style, which
you know, which what the whole show was about allegedly.
But anyways, we're going to keep recapping Rachel Low. We're
going to have some guests back on climbing and heels,
We're going to keep interviewing some of your favorite people
in the world. But I say we keep going.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I mean, guys, tell us if you want us to
keep rewatching RZP.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Coming out, we can have a lot more people chime
into coming up with season two three four.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
It gets and tell us who you want to hear from.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, it gets, it gets spicy Sea stage check until.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
We meet next. RZP Season two coming up.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
By bye bye,
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
of course fun. Okay, So here we are at episode
six of season one of The Rachel Zoe Project. This
episode is definitely one of the more iconic episodes that
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consists of Oscar Sunday and a styling kit full meltdown.
It was pretty dramatic, and I actually remember how dramatic
it was in real life.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
As an executive producer.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Of the show, I was very excited to take the
audience behind the scenes of how a stylist truly preps
for the oscars, but juggling clients in real life while
shooting the show was incredibly challenging. So here to dive
into the season finale with me is my producer Mary
Elizabeth jump right in.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh hi, oh hey. I only have one thing to say, Rachel.
It's Brad or I Brad or I's.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Not proper because you're a little bit more grammatically correct
than me.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I think it is correct. It sounds weird.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Brad me or Brad, Yeah, Like choose me or Brad, Brad,
Brad or me?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah? Me or Brad Brad or eye. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It sounds for some reason, it sounds wrong, but it
might be totally right.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It might be it might be totally right. Regardless it
is in the Bravo Universe Forever. Episode six season one
is truly one of the more iconic I would say,
talked about watched. Anytime people come up to you and
want to talk about the show, I feel like, if
they're true Rachel z Oe Project fans, they will reference
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a styling kit or make a joke about a styling kit. Yes, truth,
I think it is. Truly, It's definitely the standout episode
of season one for many reasons that we're going to
get into.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So do you think there was any part of me
that ever wanted to brush my hair? We can we
just be like superficial, vein all the things because looking
at the entire show, and I'm hoping as we unravel
the show, like continue to watch it, that I start
to look a little less haggard.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But it's like, what is wrong with a hairbrush? Like?
What did I was?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I Like, did I burn all my hair brushes? Did
I refuse to use a hairbrush in the show.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't really know, but your hair texture seemed much
curlier to me then, yeah, than it is now maybe,
So I think it was just like annoying and time
consuming to run a brush through it, so you were like,
fuck it, like just do it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I also can tell, and I want to say for
the record that when I wear sunglasses in the show inside,
that is because I did not want to sit in
hair and makeup, right, That's because I was working so
much that I was like, I don't have time to
do hair and makeup for the show. So as you
can tell by my hair, it's clearly slept on and
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not brushed and probably wearing. I can tell because I
look at my skin. I'm like, I have literally no
makeup on. So that is why I'm wearing sunglasses that
take up my entire face.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You're not cooler than anyone. You're not hiding.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
No, it's not that I'm It's not that I'm not
trying to block everyone out. I'm literally hiding my face
because I have no makeup on and under those lights
and the HD cameras, I mean, it's just brutal.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You wanted to hide. Yeah, Okay, So the episode kicks
off with you and Taylor in the studio, focusing specifically
on Jennifer Garner, who is attending the Oscars and also
presenting at the Oscars. So earlier on in the season,
we find you at fashion Week, we see you at
the Oscar Deliverenta Runway show. You and Brad have a
(03:58):
discussion about the gowns you want to have from that
collection for Gen. You also then go to Oscar's studio.
He shows you other gowns that you also would like
to have for Gin. And so these basically your top
three Oscar Dili Rena gowns arrive at the studio and
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you have Taylor put them on before you're fitting with
Gin to kind of get a vibe of how they fit,
what the fabric looks like, etc. Was that common? Did
she try on clothes for you a lot?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, well, full disclosure.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Taylor as brutal as she comes off, like, as angry
and miserable as she comes off, she loves pretty clothes.
And so a lot of times when I wasn't there,
she would like take things out of the box and
try them on to just see.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But like I would have her.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Try on gowns sometimes or sometimes we'd have in turns
to it so that I can literally see it on
on someone other than like a.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Model on the runway, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And Taylor, as much as she bitched about it, actually
liked it, Like I think she even says that in
the episode right that she actually like didn't hate trying
to dresses.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Ull. Did you ever try on balance before clients, I
mean to get like a feel for it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Maybe very rarely, very rarely, because I was very superstitious
with myself.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
It felt weird, it felt.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Its crossing a line.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, it did.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I was such like a goody goody about that, Like
I don't know, I was so precious with my clients
and and I think like I didn't want to feel
like I put their look on, and somehow trying it
on an assistant felt okay.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yes, but Taylor sometimes would refuse, as you can imagine.
And I think, but I also what I tried to
do is I tried to also put it on someone
who had a body similar to the client. Sure, Like,
like I remember had an intern that was really tall,
and I would always have her try and stuff for
Cameron to see her.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, that makes sense, you know, that makes how tall
is Cameron?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Do you is she's tall?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Cameron is like five to ten, Yeah, Cameron's five nine
five ten probably.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, Okay, that's true. Yeah, okay, So the three gowns
are in Taylor's trying them on, and then you It
cuts to a video package of Jen talking about you.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
She's just the cutest.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Was it really heartwarm? I hope it was heartwarming for
you to see because she's very complimentary of you. She's
her typical, wonderful, relatable self in saying, I don't really
know anything about clothes or fashion, but I love Rachel.
I'm proud to be her first client. She says, I
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am very you know, not in the know. She says,
you have impeccable taste, and she says like she has
an appreciation of fashion because of you.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Jen and the irony.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Now, fun fact is that we've been school parents together
for the last several years. And that's how like full
circle our life went. Like when I started working with Jen,
she was living in this great little house in the Palisades,
and she was shooting Alias, and she was working the
most grueling schedule, Like it felt like she was working
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six days a week. I don't know if that's legal,
and I'm probably am making that up, but like I
would go to her trailer for her fittings. I would
get like thirty minutes with her to try on everything,
and it was literally in the middle of nowhere, Like
literally I would drive like an hour or two and
fit her at like one am because that was her
(07:43):
quote unquote like dinner break right if they were shooting
at night or whatever. So she had the craziest schedule.
And Jen truly is the nicest, most considerate, most real
girl person.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And the thing about Jen and.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
People always would like ask me, what's the thing we
don't know about Jenn? What's a fun fact about Jenna?
Like she's literally the funniest person I've ever known. She
surely the funniest. Yeah, self deprecating, but she really has
an appreciation and takes great humor in herself. And I
think that's how we connected because I really make fun
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of myself all the time, and she made fun of herself.
And so it was this perfect marriage of like, Okay, Jen,
if you wear this, I promise I will have a
bathrobe and slippers waiting for you in the car to
get into the minute you jump in the car, you know,
and so.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I love a little bribery.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Well yeah, and also I would come in and we'd
come in with like a deer and Paul Star, May
he rest in peace, one of the most brilliant makeup
artists of all time, died very tragically from an illness,
very like suddenly, and we will miss him honestly forever.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
We still talk about him all the time.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But yeah, but we were this like kind of dream
team that all just would commiserate and talk about. You know,
we would meet and talk and have eighteen meetings and
inspos and Jen would just sit there and be like
in her overalls making us piscotti and be like huh yeah,
and she'd be like, Okay, tell me what you want
(09:15):
me to wear. She would be like, just just tell
me your dream and then I'm going to tell you
what I want to be in and then let's find
like and then sometimes she wouldn't even look in the mirror.
She would just literally I'd put her in something and
she'd be like, Okay, so we love this great and
that was it, and that was you know, She's she
she was. Jen was my first red carpet Hollywood Awards
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season client.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
She is correct about first.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
One going to big.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
She was the first time that I ever styled somebody.
I think it was for the Emmys in two thousand
and three. God help me. Yeah, that sounds right, Yeah,
and so crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It is funny now we were you and I were
commenting as we were watching the episode, it's funny now
to so you. There's a black gown, there is a
true ball gown like a princess, and there is a
very like almost like mermaid fit, sort of very tight
with a lot of tool that kicks out at the bottom.
(10:24):
And you love that gown. You loved the tool.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You thought it was an Oscar made that for her, right,
and you loved it. You rest in peace, hey, he
rest in peace. Also, you loved that one.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
You had an instinct that Jen was going to want
to wear the black and you didn't want to force
her into the can't the tight tool because in those
times when you were dressing people, best dressed and worst
dressed was an actual thing.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Not only was it a thing, but it was polarizing.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
There was like it was free press to say whatever
anyone wanted to be as cruel as you wanted. The
fashion Police with Joan Rivers and like Stephen Koshikaru and
like all these people were at the height of like
fashion criticism. They felt and in my opinion, had no
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right to do that because they weren't actually fashion people
and they didn't actually know anything about what went on.
It's not like today when you talk about it.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know, my comedians they were.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
They were comedians using real people as uh fodder like
and and you know, subjects for for for their humor.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Don't you kind of laugh now at thinking about caring
about that. No, not caring about it, but just the
dress itself.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
It was not a rest, It's not it was completely
it was they at all. It was like a ballerina dress.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's so funny now to think because as we were saying,
we were like couture has like exploded into these like
volume and layers of tool and very gaga like, right,
this was like before that. So it's just so funny
to be like, oh, this dress, it's a risk.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But I think the thing was was in those days,
you know, twenty years ago, if you had.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There was chare and b York right.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Or yeah, b York, huh York. She wore the swan, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And you had that, but that was like its own world,
that was its own thing. Okay, share is going to
come in in like a headdress, right. And then there
was the act the movie stars that were expected to
look like movie stars, right and like give us our princess,
give us our queen, give us our whatever. And the
only people that would take a risk was like a
Cate Blanchette or a Nicole Kimmen maybe, And because they
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were these tall, swan like creatures, yeah, they could get
away with it. Even if people hated it, it was fine,
you know. And so for me as a fashion person,
I really battled that in my subconscious was sort of
like or my conscious I would say, was this is fashion,
(13:06):
this is boring but safe. Yep, I want to do fashion,
but I also don't want them to get crushed in
the media because that will kill them. And a few
of them didn't care what the media said. And most
of them did, right, they did, even if they said
they didn't, they did.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You know, they're human, Yeah, they're human, and I think
and I think so for me, what ultimately became the
biggest challenge for me as a stylist was how do
I find the place to make media, mainstream media happy
and fashion happy and them the happiest. How do they
feel the best and them get great press on all sides.
(13:47):
And that's really ultimately what I remember the most in
the end was having that, and then I would it
came to a point where I would literally say to
my client, like the people magazines and US Weekly is
are not going to understand this look.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Right, They're just not going to get it. But if
you love it, you're like, I got your back.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And also Women's Wear Daily, Vogue and all the fashion
magazines will love this dress, right, So it was sort
of like choose.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You have to pick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Never, it almost never was loved by all, which is
why later the Valentino, the one shouldered coral Valentino that
gen war, the archive from nineteen seventy one, that was
shocking because everyone loved that, right, And that was like
a big sort of coup, I guess, and a game
changing moment in my career because I was like, wait,
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I didn't think they were going to get that, Okay,
So I think to Jen's thing is because she it's
so it was ultimately so important for me that the
client that I was not pushing them, Yeah, because I
don't want to hold that responsibility and also for her
to not feel, yeah, her best self. And I will
(15:01):
say this about the Ivory one. It washed her out ultimately.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah. Well she said it was a little too nude.
It was.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It was the color ultimately, and what I realized at
that point, had it been blush pink nude, it would
have worked. Yeah, but it was truly nude, and it
made her yellow.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, I feel like her hair was very like darker
than than it is now. Okay, So simultaneously as you
are a crazy person dressing a million people for the Oscars,
Roger is shopping for your tenth anniversary.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Gift, because of course the Oscars was always around our anniversary.
Of course, not to any any listeners. Don't get married
in February if you're in fashion or in entertainment, yees,
don't do it too much going.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
On, too much going on, Just don't do it.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
So Roger is on the hunt for a vintage Porsche.
And he is, you know, telling viewers that, like, you
have a passion for vintage cars and you always spot
them and like them and whatever. Is that still true?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Do you notice I'm obsessed with vintage. Okay, Well, here's
the thing. Since I've had.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Children, I'm less obsessed with anything like that because my my,
like before I had children, everything was focused on like
what was beautiful materials, things to collect, blah blah blah.
And like now I'm like, what's the safest car that's pretty? Yeah, Like,
but it's the biggest tank that is pretty that can
protect us from getting hit by a bus?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I would I would probably, you know, I would imagine
that the vintage Porsche does not have airbags.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It doesn't have anything. It doesn't even fairly as we felt.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
No. So it's very sweet. Roger is talking to a
friend about it. He's doing his research about the car,
which is very sweet because I also, if you remember,
in episode five, you guys got into it about the
plans for the anniversary, so.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And also we.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The other thing is I want to really point out
about the show until I think the last season is
that we were like two successful entrepreneurs I guess that
work twenty four to seven and had no kids.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Sure, so like we were just like what are we buying?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, where are we going? Like you got cash, life
was a little more flexible. You were flexible Okay. So
meanwhile at the Rachel Zoo studio, tension is really building
between Brad and Taylor. Taylor has a little micro meltdown
about garment bags.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Taylor had to melt down once a day.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, so it's you can definitely feel the tension between
them building. I think you even say in an interview,
Brad and Taylor are acting like oil and water. Like
it doesn't seem like they're gelling. It doesn't seem like
they are communicating on the same wavelength. You make a
plea to them to be like, please, can we just
(17:51):
table all of this until we get through Oscar Sunday
and then we can like have a come to Jesus meeting.
So tension is for building. Then you and Taylor go
do a big jewelry poll, which is my favorite part
about the episode, and you say to the clerk at
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the jewelry place, You're like, I need more trays to
create stories. Ye, so I want you to it is
like a true styling tip for people. I want you
to explain what you mean by that, because I think
it's a good takeaway for people.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, I mean, because it was never really pulling. For
one dress.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I had to be prepared with multiple options for each look.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So if we had the new dress, the black dress,
because at the time we didn't know which dress right,
and that was I would say eighty percent of the
time my clients didn't decide till the night before the
morning of because there was always it was always down
to two yeah, and they were typically apples and oranges,
and it was really hard. And I think now I
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see clients, I see stylists, and they have one choice.
They pick the jewel you know what I mean, There
isn't It's interesting. I don't know why that is. I
think it's because more celebrities deals with different houses. So
it's like which Louis Vuitton look or which Janellite right,
So it's a little less I think dramatic in that way.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
But the jewelry.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So what I did was there was different ways that
I could style jewelry for the look.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
So even if I had an ivory, if she wore
the nude dress, right, with a new dress, it's a
blank canvas. Same with a black dress, honestly, Like so
you could go yellow gold with colored stones, right, or
you could do and very vintagey, or you could do
platinum with diamonds, you could do full deco, you could
do you know.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So I liked to.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Create trays that had jewelry that was merched together. So
it's like, okay, we're going with yellow vibe. Okay, let's
do this. So it was like these earrings, these and
I created stories like vignettes.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Totally makes sense. This was before smartphones. Were you taking
photos on your BlackBerry of the tray so you remembered
or polaroids polaroids, polorids or I was gonna say, or
was the store packing them up for you in one place?
Like this is the story for the black.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Na Typically No, Typically I would just set them up, right.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I had to get to the client and then reset
up the story.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And that's the thing people don't see is like behind
all of this, there's you know, security guards everywhere, millions
of dollars of jewelry.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You're signing, you know, pretty intense paperwork. Also when you're
loaning that amount of jewelry.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And as a stylist, we had insurance sure for these things.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
You know, right, what's is there a big jewelry snuff
foo that you can remember about like an oscar?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
When I got robbed the night before an award show. Yeah,
that was a big stuffoo.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That was a big staffhoo. But didn't you but didn't
you personally had stuff taken, but didn't you throw a
towel over the cartie jewelry and they didn't touch it.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's the freakiest thing that ever happened. It was like
one of those weird gut things that I did before
I ran down the street to have dinner and put
the borrowed jewelry on my shoes shelves and it was
entreys out for the fitting the next morning at eight am.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And as right.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
As I was leaving, even though my closet had dead
bolts and whatever, I remember throwing something over the trays
on my shoes shelves. It was like a scarf or
a towel, I can't remember, just so it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Like out and exposed.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, And ultimately the thieves took stuff from my jewelry
drawers which had my personal drawer and totally did not which,
by the way, better better, better than hard Lightning cartoon.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
But honestly for business and for your oh god, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I don't know how I would have rectified that.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, that's but I also had an assistant that got
her car broken into with a million garment bags in
it in front of Earth Cafe.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, it's scary, that's it's an intense thing.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
That's very bad. We were watching the Jewelry Story moment
and you were like, oh my god, what is that
diamond ring on my finger?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And it's so it's still you. You were like dripping
in Diamond Story. Truthfully, you just such a jewelry freak
that you're like putting jewelry on yourself as you're pulling.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
There was never a moment that I would pull jewelry from,
whether it was vintage bowlgry Carte, Van Cleeve, Fred Layton,
Neil Lane, that I wouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
At least three or four pieces on me while I
was pulling it.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I remember you and I were in fourteen Carrots in
La and we were we had run in for somebody's gift.
It was like Pamela's birthday or your mom, somebody was
somebody was celebrating something and you were going to have
jewelry picked for them. So we're in there and we're
putting stuff on, and you got home and you had
like two rings on your hand, and I was like, Oh,
(22:53):
let me text the girls and tell them I'm going
to drive it back because you just love to load
yourself down more and more with jewelry. As you are
pulling jewelry Taylor again, we see a scene of you
and Brad. You're clearly in like the office part of
your house slash studio. You guys are yucking it up.
(23:16):
You guys are like joking and teasing each other. The
footage is cutting back to Taylor moving downs on rails,
opening boxes, schlepping around in the studio. There's a scene
where you and Brad are still chatting and it looks
like she's sort of lurking in the hallway and she
overhears you guys whatever chumming.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It up, and she has.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
A little bit of a fit and storms out.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Of the studio.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You have to call her. I think you have a
scene in a car where she is very upset by
the workflow of the studio. She feels like she's still
doing all of the grunt work that Brad was hired
to take off of her shoulders. She makes a lot
of comments about schlepping garment bags, which is like the job,
by the way, and again you make a plea. You're like,
(24:08):
what do I need to do. I don't I can't
have you unhappy. I can't have Brad unhappy right now.
I need you guys to like work together, please, We've
got so much going on. It's the Oscars tomorrow, Like,
just can we table this whatever? You throw out an idea,
you say, maybe I'll hire another assistant, and she's like, great,
that sounds like a solution. Obviously you're not going to
(24:29):
hire someone overnight.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Right of course, day before the Oscars.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
So again it seems like you are making sure everyone's
happy so that you can just get through the freaking weekend.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's literally amazing. I was watching this and thinking, like
I was, like I worked for them.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I was like scared of them.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, it appears that you were.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Well yeah, I mean, listen, Taylor is a mean girl, clearly.
I mean, I don't have to I mean that that
is so evident. Like the thing is with Taylor is
that she was good at the job.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
She was good at the job. But I think she
was good at the job, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
But the persona is sort of her disposition.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Was just brutal, like it was just brutal, Like there
was these light moments we would have.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, and I would see a little bit of that.
You do see her joke and laugh all of that.
But you know, when you're making a television show, it's
like way more interesting to show her not doing that
and to show her beating.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Truthfully, ninety percent of the time saw her Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And I think because I was such a workaholic, I
just think I couldn't be bothered with it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I was sort of like, that's who she is.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I can't like, I just need to get shit done
and I need someone that can do it well, you
know what I mean. And I think I was more
focused on that than anything else.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, for sure. And around the clients she was professional.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Okay, that's good. Yeah, And it just seemed like it
was so you basically get her back in your good grade,
into a good attitude for lack of a better word.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But I think, as she mentioned, like I didn't want
her to quit.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
No, you couldn't. You couldn't have her quit like it
was it was too much. You have a meeting with
the wonderful a deer, the best, the best of the best,
and he is going through you guys are going through
hair makeup inspiration for Jen for one of the Oscar dresses.
(26:35):
It's so funny to see and hear A Deer because
he still is so passionate and like creative and wonderful
and lovely about how he approaches hair. And it's fun
to see that, Like what you guys were talking about
is what goes down the carpet Jen, he does the
look that you guys are mentioning, like low, totally off
to the side, fuzzy, like not perfect, but a little textured.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think the thing I think the reason A Deer
and I were so connected and still are today.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Is because we definitely worked and probably the hardest. Yeah,
but I think we were.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Equally obsessed and in love with our craft. Like what
we were doing was we both treated it as though
we were saving lives, but yet our love for the client,
especially Jen, was so real that we just were like
(27:34):
and Jen just did.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
She was like, just do whatever you crazy people want,
right She literally she's like makes sure of you guys,
and she's like, lash, it's no last yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Nude lip lip, very lip yeh, funniest. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
So it's wonderful to see a deer and how his
passion for hair and beauty and glamour is still just
as strong as it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And I think he's probably the number one out there,
yes point, if not major top five of like I mean,
there's no one he hasn't done or does, right, I mean,
And he's still you know, he's the sweetest, you know,
he just loves he just loves it.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
He's he's an artist, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, he's the best.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And dances, dances at work, that's his thing.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
He is like one of the most positive, optimistic people.
He is, Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And it's it's interesting because we we have our talks,
like we he keeps it real, you know. And his
husband is extraordinary. So love them, love love love them,
love him, love them.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Okay, So now we arrive at Oscar morning. There is
a scene that takes place where Brad and Taylor are
making their kits or setting up their kits for the day,
obviously planting the seed for what happens moments later. So
(28:53):
we talked about the kit in episode five, what it
is and how important it is to a stylists. We
see Brad making his Taylor makes a comment like he
still doesn't get how to pack it like he's She's
telling Joey he needs to put everything in a ziplock
back so you can get it. And Joey's like, well,
if you tell him to do that, he'll do it,
like he's not an idiot, sure, And she's like, why
(29:14):
do I have to tell him?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
She just that was the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I mean, I think she just was like, I'm she
wasn't setting him up for success. But I think to
her point, it is common sense totally. She's not wrong, right,
you know, like right that is, she's not wrong. She
does remind me of myself, and it's hard for her
to delegate. It's hard to let go of like.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You're I don't know. I have a very hard time
being like you do that for me, right? So I
think that is also a little bit about her, like
I think she has a hard time stopping and explaining
because she just is like I do it, I know
how I do it, I do it efficiently, boom boom.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But she also didn't have any patience, so she wasn't
going to take any extra time.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And ultimately he still is in quote unquote training. I mean,
he was technically new to Newish.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It was his first your.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Clients, Yes, but I think as they were going through
kits that would have been a given like that. It
was definitely his bad. She could have double check to
make sure. But I think, as I look at it,
it's sort of like, but why should she have done that?
Like why wouldn't if he if they have kids, why
(30:23):
wouldn't I need a kid?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Like That's literally what Taylor says.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, and yeah, so I do. I do see that.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Don't understand what happened as we watched the show happened
for real. This was not something that was said.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
No. So so here's the thing I want to say
about this episode. From what I was seeing, one hundred
percent of this episode was real, right. And the reason
I say that is because I very clearly remember and
that's why I have sunglasses on in the whole thing.
I remember saying too the producers, guys, I don't have
(31:04):
time to like stop and reshoot or stop and like
you tell me what to do. This is gonna be
like we're shooting because this is real.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
This is not a drill.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
This is really happening. So you're just gonna have to
follow and get what you can. But I don't I
can't walk down the hallway three times.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
There's no starting.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
If my mic hit something, it hits something.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
If your audio is screwed up like we got it
is what it is. But this is not a drill,
and I have no time to stop and shoot.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
So so this was, this was very real.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
This was this was and I'm watching it and I
remember very clearly, like like I think I was crying
at some point, like I under my glasses, like I think.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I felt so stressed out.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I'm sure you were stressed out.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
There's so much adrenaline, there's so little sleep, They're so
you know, it's weird because as a mother, I'm sort
of like, God, you're not fucking saving lives. But at
the same time, that was how I approached it because
the way that these people were were judged still are judged,
and putting them out there in front of the world,
(32:20):
and you're in charge of their entire image in that moment,
and their look and their jewelry and their face and
their you know, and the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
And if it's bad and they feel shit, you're.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Responsible for that. Like how they feel on the inside,
you can't help you try to help that. Obviously, as
best you can. But like, at the end of the day,
there's a responsibility that I carried that stylust carry that
hair and makeup carries that.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
At the end of the day. If they don't feel amazing,
you didn't do your job. Yeah, And that was really
for me.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
That was such a person's personal it's personal, and it
was a very personal heavy weight that I carried wherever
I went. And other stylists that I was friends with
didn't share that same feeling. They were like, eh, she
didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I was like, how do you function? Yeah, how do
you function?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Now?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, you're you're married to the game.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's married to the game.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You're married to the game. Yeah. So here's the movements
as I understand them from rewatching it. It's Oscar morning,
It's Divide and Conquer.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I had five clients.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think you had five clients, and two of those
were presenting. So two I believe, Cameron and Jen. I
know Jen was presenting and I think genuine Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
So you and I think to me, but we didn't
show her, We didn't.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
We don't follow to me at all. My guess is
that Taylor was with to me because she made a
comment later. She makes a comment later, did anybody even
check on to me?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I did I do everything right exactly? So I think
she probably went into me. You went to Gen. Brad
is a packing up looks for Kate beckhamsale, seemingly just
to drop them off, and then he's going to meet
you at Gen. Right, he is come back to the
studio and he is going back to Kate because they
(34:18):
he gets a phone call she needs more shoe options
and bag options. Was whatever was there isn't working. You
guys have a conversation. You tell him to go. You're
on your way to Jen thinking everything has been Everything
is there, The gowns are there, the shoes are there,
the bag is there. You get to Gen and find
out when Brad dropped everything off, he didn't leave a kit.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So that was real.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
That wasn't a Bravo storyline.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I was at Cameron's. I sent Cameron out.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Oh, sorry, you went to Cameron's. That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Jen was good.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Jen was locked in and her dress that do your dress?
It was between that and another dress. By the way,
Remember she was just It was the most Cameron Diaz
thing you could ever do. Throw on a door, cature,
what a pair of heels and run out the door.
She barely jewelry, barely make up.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I mean she looks like a little surfer girl, so beautiful,
literally surfur contur. Do you remember were there cameras when
you got to Cameron or did you not shoot Cameron?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
No, you did not shoot Cameron. Okay, because I was
curious from a viewer if like you had that footage
and then as EP you guys decided we don't want
to show it.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
It probably showed me like in the car, but I didn't.
Cameron was not aware of any of it. Got it now?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So you get Cameron's very very private. There are certain
clients throughout the season you'll see that, some are very
happy to be on. And I don't think it's that
she didn't. I'm not even sure that I asked. I
think I just I know that Cameron's are very.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
It's very priv Yes, did Cameron realize that you were
sort of floundering when you got there, Like you were like,
oh my god, there's only two pairs of shoes, there's
only one bag, there's no case. Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
It was one of the worst moments of her it
really really Yeah, because I think the expectation that my
clients had of me was I was always the sort
of most over prepared person, Like I had six hundred
things for their one sure, you know, probably almost to
a detriment.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Sometimes I like, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
I like overtook their their rooms, you know, with things.
But but I never didn't have what I needed. Yeah,
And I remember the shoes that she chose, I believe
were too big. They were like a half sized big.
And I needed insuls. I needed insuls, And I remember
(36:36):
needing I think tops to I just remembered there was
kit things that were needed in the final moment. Yes,
you know, because Cameron wasn't the kind of person that
like sat for ten hours to get ready. She was
like sometimes she even did her own makeup right, you know,
And and so it was always a I better have
(36:58):
everything like ready for the exit, you know, and not
having it in those moments for someone who is very
low maintenance and doesn't ask a lot is like to
not have what you need, you know. I used to say,
it's like it's like a doctor not having what they
need for the diagnosis. It's like it's like they forgot
(37:18):
their stethoscope, but like not having topstick or pins or like,
that's the job. That is literally the job, you know,
So I'm sure it's embarrassing to you. It's not embarrassing.
It's horrifying. And I was by myself and like.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
And then Joey saves the day? Was that? And that's true?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
That is true.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
You remember calling Joey.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Because at the studio waiting to watch the show because
we always did that together.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, so I nine to one won him and I
was like, oh my god, you've got to drive over here.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Saved the day for real. So, needless to say, you
all meet back at the studio. You've called Taylor to
let her know that it was a disaster at Cameron's,
that shit went bad. You didn't have what you needed.
You know. You're commiserating with Joey and Roger and Taylor,
(38:11):
and then Brad calls Taylor and says he's coming back
to the studio. You have obviously called Brad. It's not
on the show, right, but you've obviously called Brad and
sort of read him the right act.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Remember that I think they show that they think what's
on it.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
They don't show you guys talking on the phone about that.
They show you telling Taylor it was a disaster. You
didn't have what you needed, you didn't have any.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
So maybe I didn't because maybe I didn't because you
know me, I'm not confrontational. I don't like disciplining and
I don't I don't like reprimanding people. And so I
called Taylor to be like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, what planet to something like that happened?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so she hit the fan. Brad comes back.
He pulls you aside into one of the room bedrooms,
and he's very emotional and he's like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Do I can't do this.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
It's too high pressure. I'm you know, he's obviously regretful
of the situation. You're trying to because he's so emotional,
You're trying to calm him down, knowing you you don't
want anybody to be that upset about anything. You're true
pleading with him. You're like, this is closed, it's not
saving lives, it's okay. Everyone makes mistakes. You then say
(39:35):
Taylor once made a mistake when we were on a
shoote in Prague, and then sure, and by the way,
it was with Brad Pitt.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
That was not a fun mistake.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
No, that's not a good mistake either. Then she comes
barreling in the room and says, don't throw me on, like,
don't use me as an example, and I don't make
mistakes and all that that happened in real life. So
when you're shooting something like that and you can see
her lurking in the hallway, which was really happening, and
(40:04):
I'm sure a camera just followed her right in.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You know what it was like. It was like watching
like lions, like pacing.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
At ready to jump in. She was, yeah, so that's
all legit. It's not like was like cut, come back
in the room, tailor.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I remember, we're like, we're not actors. No, So no,
that was as real as it gets.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And I remember I remember after that whole thing production
being like, well that was fucking amazing, and I was
like what happened? Like I literally because I was so
in it, and I was so I think beaten down
at that point.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
So she does come in. That's all real. She tells
you how it is. She says, Brad is not qualified
to do this job. It's common sense, he should know better.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Brad gets very upset. He says, I'm gonna leave. He leaves,
you guys are all Roger gets food for everybody because
it's lovely, classic Roger, and you get a text message
from Brad saying like thanks, but this I can't work.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
In an abusive environment.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Which sparks Taylor to say, like, is he fucking joking
it's him?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Or I.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Did you in real time, in real life, to the
best of your memory, did you really feel like that
was it? Like this was like there there was not
going to be a coming back of this. No, I I.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Knew that if I in that moment, she was dead
fucking serious.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
She was like, I'm so out of here because he's
so far up your ass, he's stroking you. Yeah, he's
blah blah blah and you don't see it and blah
blah blah. And you know, they were just polar opposites
in every possible way.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Sure, so you were like one of them is going
to leave, Like one hundred this isn't this can continue
the way it is now?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Correct, correct and listen, at the end of the day,
Taylor was a bully.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Like at the end of the day, she really in
those moments, right, bullet as I'm watching it.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
She was bullying me. I was literally scared of her.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
And it is so true about what you were what
you were trying to say to Brad about like everybody
makes mistakes before she comes in and correct angry at everybody.
What you're saying about mistakes is so true. It's like,
you don't get better at anything without fucking up.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
You have to suck up or you'll never know. Yeah,
you have, you know, we all I've made countless mistakes.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Everybody makes mistake.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Everyone makes mistakes, but listen, some are harder and in
those days, I don't know if it happens now, but
in those days he would have been fired ten times before.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
I have always had more grace yeah than anybody.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Because by the way, even now today I have friends
that are like she did what, Oh, I would have
fired her? Like right, So there is not and part
of me, you know, when I struggle with that because
I think sometimes I'm too soft about things, and then
other times I'm like, but my thing is when someone's
(43:22):
a great person and has an amazing work ethic, but
they're young and they have not experienced life yet or
work life yet, or like haven't earned their great yet
you have to have some grace for that.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I think that being a good person and having an
incredible work ethic and attitude to me is more valuable
than anything else, because you can learn anything else, and
after a certain time, obviously, if you can't learn it,
it's time to let the person go.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Sure, like at some point that grace period has ten, right, But.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Like, respecting and value somebody's work ethic and their ability
to want to learn is definitely an important thing. Do
you remember one of my big f ups? As I
remember your only f up, the only up, nothing, only
you forgot, guys, guys, And I'll never forget it because
it was the worst. I almost went on foot. Okay,
(44:22):
it was nothing, it was They let me in right away.
It was horrifying, Okay, so it was what does it was? Burbery?
It was Barbary was doing a fashion show here in
Los Angeles. Christopher Bailey was taking over the Griffith of Observatory.
At that time, Rachel was living in Beverly Hills. The
show was supposed to start at like six pm, which,
(44:43):
if anybody knows, going east in LA one hour at
five pm is gridlock, brutal and really East, horrible traffic. Yeah,
everything said guests for this show must have the physical
invitation or they will not be allowed at the show.
(45:04):
It's like no exceptions. Didn't care, so they had to
have the physical invitation. What's the one thing I sent
you out the door without you and Roger? You did
not have your paper invitations to get in.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Ikius was a baby and Skyla was a toddler. And
I was doing something in the front or there was
a knock on the door, and I went to the
front and by by your old front door. I'll never
forget you had a glass credenza table and they were
both sitting there and I almost went into cardiac arrest.
(45:38):
And I was like, oh my god, the fucking invitations
are right here. I panicked. I freaked out. I called you.
I was like, I will meet you. I will meet you.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Where are you.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I will come in the car at whatever it was
the kid's dinner time they were. I couldn't leave long
story Sideways. I couldn't leave the house. So now I'm
calling everybody, emailing everybody at broad Racing. Rachel's's on her way,
please let her in.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
She doesn't ever fee. It's my fault. It's not her fault.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
With my phone, I'm taking photos sending them to Roger, like.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Look, this is the front, this is the back, and
I think, like they let us in right away, like
it was no big deal. And I remember like you getting.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
There because Victoria Beckham correct was standing right there, and
you guys just started talking to me like, oh, right
this way, like Mary, it wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
So I happened to walk in with Christopher like you
was right at the front, and Rosie Huntington saved my ass.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
You guys, but I just you were so shook. You
were so shook.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
But the thing is, when it involves me, it's not
as bad. When it's with a client, it's much harder.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
That's different.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, it was like me getting my jewelry stolen versus
like car. Yeah, because how do I tell them that?
Speaker 2 (46:41):
All right?
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Exactly, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
So everyone makes mistakes, okay.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And colossal ones are seemingly colossal. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
I mean I've copied wrong people in the wrong emails.
I mean, you do it all, you'll live, you'll learn.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
But also I think had that mistake happened with the
no kit in like a no big deal situation, like
she was going to like a small event and she
didn't have a heel pad, Like okay, right, I think
what ended up happening funny enough in hindsight. I actually
think I ended up jumping in the car with her,
did you, and like and like putting insoles in her
(47:13):
shoes and top sticking and like I had to do
something I think with a piece of her jewelry, Like
there was a whole bunch of things, and I think
I rode with her and I think I like jumped out.
That's so funny, Like I just the whole thing was crazy.
It's like I have laid in cars.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
It's not glamorous to keep their dress straight.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
It's not glamorous. It's just not There's no two ways
about it.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
No. But I will say when I watched this episode,
I will say that it was probably of all the episodes,
probably the most one hundred percent real, unscripted from start
to finish.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
So then we see Taylor call Brad and basically apologize.
She doesn't want to make him feel as horrible as
she did. She kind of gets him back. She's like,
you're not going to quit, are you? And you can
hear them be like no. So it's like all in
the zill right world. Right again, there's harmony until later
and then I get my car and then you get
(48:06):
your car.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
I love my car. We still have our car.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
You still have her, still have our car.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
And the funny part is is that the boys are
fighting for who gets it when they get their license,
and I'm like, no one's sitting in that car. You
can sit in the front seat when Dad drives down
the street and that's it.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Hell no, yeah, hell no.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
It's a beautiful car. Look at Yeah, it's kind of yeah.
I remember a lot of triple triple A cars. Yep,
it needs a new battery. It's gotta jump, you gotta
jump it all yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I just remember whose car it is? Dylan, mkay, Dylan
in peace? I know, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (48:42):
That's wild?
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Okay, So watching all of season one.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Back, was there only six episodes?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
There's only six oh in season one, and then we
went to eight and then you guys jumped in, right yeah,
and I think you slightly shorten them it. What is
one thing you wish the show showed more of in
season one?
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Well?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
First off from a vanity perspective. Me with better hair
and makeup and better lighting.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Got it. I'm here to say that the lighting does
get better.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I will tell you, okay, thank god, yeah, because that
is unacceptable lighting on acceptable lighting.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
What was the question, would I wish they showed more of?
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yes? What do you wish there was more footage of?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
In all of season one? I know my answer.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
They covered a lot of real ship, the real stuff.
But I'm thinking about it, like it was pretty raw,
you know, it was pretty raw, like I was crying
and yeah, I mean Odd Studio really did Finn.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yeah, the dresses that Brad was trying to get from
season one was did not arrive, you know, like it
was real. But I wish they would have shown or
shot or included or even set up another photo shoot
watching you style a model for a photo shoot, because again,
you're when you're working around the client thing. A lot
(50:06):
of the times they're there, a lot of times they're
not right right. So watching you really work and style,
there's that glimpse of it in episode five, but I
wish there was more showing you work more in an
editorial head because that's where to me, it's like you
you're you're alive, and you're you can see how much
(50:28):
you love.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
It because styling a model for a shoot, an editorial shoot,
to me was my happiest place. That was like Disney
for me, truthfully, Yeah, that was Disney. I mean it
was really just the be all end all because it
was my creative freedom. Yeah, you know, there's my creative
(50:49):
freedom and my absolute happiest, you know, happiest me. I
could like do that in my sleep. Yeah, you know,
it's just but I didn't make any money doing that.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Right to me, it's the most exciting part because you're
really watching you sort of in real time style, which
you know, which what the whole show was about allegedly.
But anyways, we're going to keep recapping Rachel Low. We're
going to have some guests back on climbing and heels,
We're going to keep interviewing some of your favorite people
in the world. But I say we keep going.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I mean, guys, tell us if you want us to
keep rewatching RZP.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Coming out, we can have a lot more people chime
into coming up with season two three four.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
It gets and tell us who you want to hear from.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, it gets, it gets spicy Sea stage check until.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
We meet next. RZP Season two coming up.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
By bye bye,
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