February 2, 2024 • 50 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe answers some of your incredible beauty questions about skincare, serums, makeup and more! Plus, a classic Rodger Berman podcast interruption.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing in Heels.
The show is all about celebrating extraordinary superwomen who will
be sharing their incredible journeys to the top, all while
staying glamorous. Other than fashion, beauty is a topic that
I can get so many questions on, whether it's from
social media or interviews or meeting people in real life.
(00:30):
You guys definitely have questions about skincare and makeup and
everything in between. Last week I asked you guys to
submit your beauty questions for me to answer on the podcast,
and here to help me is my amazing producer and
have blood sister everything else, Mary Elizabeth. You all know
her at this point. So let's see what you guys
(00:51):
are needing to know and see if I can answer
your questions. So let's do it. Hi, Rage, hiy, Happy Monday,
tell me everything. Hang Noday.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I like to just preface for our listeners. I know
that they get these new episodes every Friday, but I
feel like it's important insider information to know that we are,
in fact recording this on a Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes we are, and post COVID by the way, So
I'm very yeah, so I sound a little funny.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Rachel was down, but she is back, feeling better, ready
to take on the week. I'm sure. Well, I wanted
to give our listeners a little Rachel's a life update
since we haven't talked to them one on one in
a minute. But it looks like, according to Instagram, you
went to a very fabulous dare I say themed party?
I think two weekends ago, a week and a half
ago somewhere I did tell us about that. You looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, it was interesting. The theme was Beyond the Stars attire,
and for me, it was sort of like a dress
rehearsal because fun fact that may or may not be
close to the theme of my son's upcoming thirteenth celebration
before summer. So it was nice to see and it
was incredibly glamorous, but funny enough, like I'm one of
(02:07):
the only ones there. Me and another very prominent person
who loves to get into theme who really went there
were like the only ones that did like the makeup
and like brought it to some sort of mid tier
I guess hybrid of costume and reality.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Possessed me, but I just did. I got super into
it because I felt like it was I don't know,
it was a fun moment, and truthfully, I thought everyone
would do it. They didn't. They just wore sparkles. They
just wore something funny.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's like, we're in the showbiz capital of the world now,
you would think people would really lean in.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I know, because I feel like if in New York City,
if someone was given that theme, they would have been
in like masks and like, oh yeah, like it would
have become like a masquerade ball and like you know,
and I feel like la is so cash that everyone's like,
what sparkley sequence do I have that I can wear
for this?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Or what do I have? The moon in a star let?
Me dust off my sparkly ugs.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Totally, And so everyone looked great. But I just I
really thought people would get more into like the theme,
but they yeah, but it'll be amazing. Honestly, your dress.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Was so gorgeous. Who was it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Vivian west Yeah, it was Vivian Westwood, white sequin corset,
like a very classic Vivian Westwood. I think we've seen
countless people in the Red Carpet wear variations of that
Westwood because it's so like her signature. I don't want
to make an assumption that people know that Vivian Westwood
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has passed recently in the last year, but she was
an icon and a legend in the fashion industry. I mean,
most notably, I think Gwen Stefani is one of the
people that really wears had got married in Vivian Westwood
and that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Dress was epic. I remember that gapic because didn't it
have like a pink ombre yes the train or something
very Gwen.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, it was magical. It was really magical. I mean
we've seen countless Diane Krueger, Jessica Chastain very recently wore
I think like a purple one to something major and
then yeah, so, I mean, but it was something that
I personally had not worn because it's not very me.
(04:27):
I don't typically wear corsets. I think the only other
one I've worn, maybe is the one I wore Jean
Baptista like ball down to the gla right.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And it had that that like sort of sheer like.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And the pink like yeah, others and stuff, So.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
That was a good one too. Did anybody interpret the
theme like like galactic? Was anybody in like a spacesuit
or like dressed up like an alien.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Or yes, yes there was one in particular person that
us as an alien.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And then so funny are we holding for something? What
do you think is Roger Burman in there?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm doing a podcast. Do not realize I knew you.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Were going to yell at me.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
No, those are mine, and I knew you were. I
was trying to put into us, sneaking it in. I
did try them on, and I want to bring them both.
But if you if you, if you really don't want
me to just bring the black, because I'm going to
ski one day, So if you really want me to
bring one, then just bring the black that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I love this so much for our listeners, I'm keeping
this in. Roger just busted into Rachel's office and is
asking her, demanding her to choose a pair of ski
pants for their uncomic trip and that is to day
in the life.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, because they're perfect moment and I love perfect moment
ski clothes and i have like some amazing looks from them,
and I'm only going to ski one day, so technically
I should bring one pair, but I couldn't decide, so
I tried to sneak in both, but because he's in
charge of cracking the ski clothes, hested me and then
(06:10):
called me out on it. Just now as you heard,
got it?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Okay, Well we'll have to stay tuned for what ski
pants make the cut.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I just want what you should.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You should tell everybody why you're going to Aspen, because
it's a big deal. It's a very cool, big deal.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I'm going to Aspen for the annual Snowball gala that
raises funds for the Children's Pediatric Cancer Hospital in Colorado,
and they are giving me an award for my work
with children and children, you know, fighting different all different
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types of challenges in their life. But as you know, Mary,
my number one mission his children always so and children
need us. So I'm very honored to get an honor.
And I think my children are going to present me
with the award, which will be.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Oh, that'll be really special, that'll be really wonderful. While
you keep together, I know, well, it's okay if you don't.
I feel like in those moments it's okay if you
can't keep it together, because it's definitely a reflection of
how moved you are and how much this the work
you do means to you and to your kids. Because
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fun fact about Rachel, she has not been shy or
stand offish or guarded her kids from any of the
work she does in children's charity. She very much has
her kids with her and a lot of the work
that she does in serving underprivileged families, in having the
kids come along with her to children's hospitals to really
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have them see and understand that they are very, very
lucky and fortunate to be healthy, happy children. And she
is really her boys, both Skyler and Kius, have a
very empathetic and wonderful, full giving heart because Rachel's done
a wonderful and Roger both have done a wonderful job
about involving their kids in the work that they do.
So you very much deserve it. And it's going to
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be very emotional.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I'll be there. You're going to be with me.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I know I won't be there, but Pamela is going
to go. Rachel's awesome sister is going to be there.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That'll help.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Oh, she's help. It won't help the water works.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No, that's the only person that cries more than I
do in these scenarios.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yes, exactly, it's Pamela. But no, We're all going to
look forward to seeing that on social media because it'll
be a wonderful, glamorous and very moving evening. I'm sure,
do you know what you're wearing? By the way, I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Even ask you.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
That's also classic Rachel. She'll just set out before I know.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
What I'm wearing the night before, I'm wearing Beaumont.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Okay, there's a step.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
We're doing this beautiful dinner that Baumont is sponsoring, so
it's it's really amazing that they're doing this. So yeah,
it'll be a Beaumont kind of weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh, very fun, very chic. Okay, Miss Rachel Doe. Well,
as you know, fashion is always something that people ask
you about constantly, continually, which makes a whole lot of
sense because you are a fashion authority. But the other
question you get asked all the time, whether we're doing
a press interview, whether you're pulling your Instagram followers, whether
(09:21):
people are walking up to you on the street, is
about beauty.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
After they ask if what they're wearing is okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, they always like to ask about that, and then
they'll ask you about beauty. We actually Rachel and her
very good friend nurse Jamie hosted a Cureator event at
her Beauty Park along here in La So I figured,
beauty is on the tip of our tongues. All of
your followers, listeners have questions for you, so I thought
I would take you through a couple of their questions,
and I broke them out into three different buckets for us.
(09:50):
So we're going to do skincare, makeup, and hair. Okay,
those were your top questions. Okay, well let's just jump
right into it, shall we yep? Okay, starting with skincare,
which we all know, very very hot, popular topic, a
lot of lot of products out there, a lot of
information out there about skincare. So we got this question
(10:15):
multiple times. So I had to go first, what steps
are in your everyday skincare routine? So what are you
doing morning or night? But what are your must do steps?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So it's a loaded question. It's a loaded question because
I have realized over the last ten to fifteen years
how much my son worshiping for my entire tween to
twenty something life has damaged, you know, my skin, right.
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But I will also say that I've now lived in
LA for twenty years, which is one of the driest
places to live in the United States, for sure, and
the amount of hydration that I can put on my
skin throughout the day is it's almost it doesn't matter,
like I don't think.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
That limit doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yes, it's like when I'm in Florida, right, it's totally different.
And so I would say to that that while I
am here, I cannot live morning and night and sometimes
throughout the day there is I literally open my eyes
in the morning and I put Pyallanic serum on my
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face and maybe a Vitamin C serum over that. I
use Barbara Storm typically. Yes, that is very expensive. There
are so many that are not Cora organics I'm obsessed with.
I use beauty fora clean beauty. I use a lot
of honest products, Honest beauty as well, which is very affordable.
(12:03):
And I think you know, to that, I would say,
I use a lot of serums without question. I use serums.
I use vitem C serums, I use Nia sin Zerum
B serums, as many serums as I can put on.
They actually work. They actually really I have found they
really work. I then one of my favorite moisturizers that
(12:24):
I'm now on my like tenth bottle of is You
Beauty her one particular product, and they're all amazing. The
arm sculpt, the body sculpt of this that they're all amazing,
the resurfacing compound, amazing, the you beauty. I want to
say it's called super Hydrator. It's one of the best
moisturizers I've used, and that is because it genuinely feels
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like a shield. Yeah, and it keeps my skin hydrated
all day.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And it gives you that kind of like dooiness and
it it just really works, and I love it. I
really do love it, and I really would swear by
it because I've now tried a million different hydrators. Moistressures
is absolutely one of my favorite, especially for day. And
then I also love Shawny Darden's products are amazingly effecting.
(13:18):
They really work, hurt, they really really work. And again,
this is what I'll say about beauty. There are a
lot of products that cost a lot of money, and
there are a lot of products that are not worth
the money, and a lot of products that you need
very very little to apply, literally like a dime, and
that investment will last a long time. Now, everyone has
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their budget of what they can spend within reason, but
I would say some products are worth it and some
are not. But I would also say that there are
so many that are you can buy in drug stores
and things like that that are affordable, that are incredible.
And I also want to say that there are cheap
products and we can get into that later. Not but
like ones that I use on my children, that I
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use on myself, that like ourselves, that are like incredible
that you can put everywhere, So we can get into
that way.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And when are you cleansing your skin, because, like like
you said, being in California, it's so dry here, I was.
I was cleansing morning and night, and finally I was like,
my skin can't handle this being stripped twice. So I
only cleanse in the evening and then like sort of
water wash in the morning because it's too drying for me.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And even when I use a cleanser, so it would
be at night, and even when I do that, it's
light and it's a hydrating cleanser. I use a cleanser
like an enzyme cleanser from Barber stm or I use
a cleanser from Core Organic's. My favorite one is the Tumeric.
There's a t I got a finger cleanser. I have
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a lighter one, one that's just for face, and then
one that works almost like a and I use it
in the shower every single time I shower because it's
very gentle and it's like you can leave it on
while you like wash your hair and stuff. And I
love that product. I really do. As it pertains to
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clean beauty in general, beauty products, especially for face. I
really love Core Organics. I love it. I'm so impressed
with how it works, honestly. But I do cleanse mostly
at night, not during the day, because then I use
an even heavier like sometimes I'll put like a there's
a Kora night mask that you can sleep in, Yes,
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because you can get away with things while you're sleeping
that you can't put on during the day.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah. Too heavy, Too too heavy. Yeah. Fresh makes a
really good overnight mask that's good for like tightening and
it feels really good. But again, you can't put that
on in the morning and then home makeup over it.
You're just gonna look like the makeup slattin off your face.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I'm also going to say something that's a big beauty
no no, but I I really stand by it because
I'm always in a hurry. I use makeup wipes as
a cheat all the time. I do, and I'll just
use ones that are hydrating and not stripping. And to
be honest, my favorite makeup wipes are Honest wipes, the
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pink I think they're pink, the makeup remover wipes. I
use them like crazy. They're super gentle. I even use
them on my kids. Yeah, because I always have to
remove things off their faces. Gods, so I use those
a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, those are great too. Okay. We had a lot
of listeners ask about under eyebags, lots of different questions
about that. The age old, the age old. What do
you do to reduce the appearance of under eyebags?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh my god. Okay, so I've been I've been blessed
in my family. I will say this, My sister got
it worse than me. She genetically has my dads which
are like huffy, yeah, and mine are not. They're there,
but it's it's different. I can cover mine, they're not.
(17:05):
They're not polarizing under my eyes, right, So I think
some of it is genetics and really hard to completely
make disappear. Yeah, I have learned that over the years
because I have many friends that you know and listen.
I'm just going to be very honest. I think at
a certain age and I and I have not done it,
but I will do it at some point. Products can't help, right,
(17:29):
Like I think you, There's only so much products can do.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
There are some incredible depuffing products. There are things that
can help under iye, I swear and live by under
eye masks. I love them. I love the Wander Beauty
ones I think are incredible. I love the one one
One's skin everything, the one one one skin face masks,
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especially the black diamond line unbelievable, and the IMA. I
will not do an appearance without using imasks. I will
not because they actually really do help in terms of
covering under eye bags. There's a lot of things you
can do. It is an art form and you honestly
should watch YouTube or TikTok and watch the makeup experts
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do it because there is an art to it. Ones
that we as civilians, not make up artists, cannot fully do.
But I think the ones that all of us that
have little ones. The trick is you want to use
a concealer that certainly has coverage, right, like a medium
at least I will definitely say that stick coverage. Stick covers,
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while thick, and I would recommend using them with an
I cream, really work better. They don't slip right off.
More liquid ones are for younger people that don't need
so much coverage because they're thinner, you know. But I
love the Charlotte Tilbury one. I love the makeup by
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Mario Ones. The key is to use ones that may
have a little bit of orange or a little bit
of peach, a little bit of red. Right. So there
are makeup artists that will literally put pigment if you
have very dark circles, right, counter act, color correct the
color correct, and then apply a lighter, one shade lighter,
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at least one shade lighter than your foundation. Right. That
is the key that I've learned is to not use
the same don't match your concealer to your foundation.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Right. It should be be a shade lighter.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It should be a shade lighter. Yeh yes. And you
don't want that under eye thing that is super dry
and cracky because that's so gross. So you want to
always have it be like a hydrating under eye, and
then you can always put a little translucent powder over
it to set it. But that's definitely one of the
tricks that I've learned from makeup artists over the years
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because that was a huge thing. I was trying to
match my kids with my foundation because that's what one
would think, right.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, of course, yeah, but no skin is.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Doing your skin is. I have to tell you, it's
an art form. It really is. As you get older,
if you're someone listen, there's also people that barely wear makeup, right.
I have friends that are the same age as me
that where maybe they wear a concealer, maybe they wear
the lightest foundation. I'm someone that loves makeup, so I
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like the contour, I like the skin different dimension and
I like that.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
So yeah, it's just an art form. It truly is.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But I would recommend honestly watching the experts on your
eye because it's complex in that you have to know
your skin colors right and your tones and your colors
because for the longest time, I didn't know what my
skin tone was. I'm like, I'm olive, but meanwhile I'm
so much yellow, so that makes different color to correct
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under like black and blue.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So yeah, like a color consultation is like it is
the first.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I recommem that I really do recommen and now you
can actually do it online and you can also do
it like on Sephora and Alta and some of the
like better like cosmetic brands will literally scan you and.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Tell you and it should avoid And what you should
do is, yeah, do you do you ever do I
don't think I've ever seen you do this, so maybe
you don't, but maybe you do. I don't know. Do
you ever do the ice rolling, to deep puff or
to like help with bags?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yes, but the answer is no because I hate the shock.
But I will say this, I from the age of
probably thirteen, I would before school put metal spoons in
the freezer on ice and hold metal spoons on my
eyes because I always puffy eyes. You know this. I
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have super sensitive eyes, so I don't get big black circles,
but I do get very puffy eyes. I'm allergic to feathers,
weird pillows like yeah, you know, so I've been a depuffer.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
For a depuffer. I love that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Oh yeah, so the cold spoons are an amazing quick fix.
And then when the whole cucumber thing came out, I
tried that too.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Oh yeah, the cucumber thing.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Cold cold alo leaves Also I love that very small.
It's very but I think those are really good tricks
to know at home that like you don't need money
to do these things, like my hollow plant, you know,
and just take some leaves and like, yeah, I'm in
the free cucumbers. Cold cucumbers like that really does work.
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It's sometimes people will say, like tea bags work, so
fixes I love them. I love that at home homeopathic ones. Yeah,
cold it does work.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, if you yeah again, but if you don't like
the shock might not be.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Really, I don't love the cold roller. I'm you will
never find me doing a cold plunge. I'm here to
say that.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yes, I don't think there's enough money to pay you
to get you to do a cold plunge.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's I mean, I'm the coldest personal life that is
the world. And I watch people do it. My whole
body quivers.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, it's a thing. It's a trend.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It's a thing.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It really is. Okay, next question, what do you find
effective for helping with volume loss in your face and
in your neck?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, let's see, I'm going to say people listen. I mean,
I am here to say do the natural thing as
long as you can go the product route, use the rollers.
I will say my Lima laser has changed my life.
I am here to say that the Lima laser is
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one of the things that I have seen to be
the most effective thing you could ever do at home.
It is incredibly expensive, so I'm not here to say
it's affordable, but I am here to say that if
you're spending so much money on crazy products that cost
almost one thousand dollars or like at home things, crazy treatments,
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crazy treatments that you're going to these facials are getting
so expensive. Yeah, I would say that the Lima laser
is incredibly helpful. It stimulates your collagen. If you use
it even five to fifteen minutes per day while you're
on calls before you go to sleep, it's incredible. Like literally,
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Roger asked me if I went and got something done
to my face. But yeah, and so here's what I'll say.
There are the most incredible topical things that you can
do for volume loss. They have developed the most incredible
laser treatments and micro micro needling like Certunza and god
it's called Althea or oh my god, there's so many
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lass like that. He has that are non invasive.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It's not Alma lasers. Ah My, I want to see
one of those. That's really great too, And they.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Are incredible, but I will say they're they're not inexpensive.
So here's what I'll say. Do everything topical right, Do
the micro needling, do the lasering, the portenza, because it
helps the quality of your skin. It literally tricks yourselves
to regenerate and rebuild and rebuilds collagen. So like these
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these developments are unbelievable to avoid having to do injectibles right,
But it feels at a certain point botox and different
fillers and the like are really game changing. When they work,
they work, You know what I will say to that, though,
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you know, listen, it's a very long beauty episode that
I would get into about my feelings about it, because
I don't. I am against doing these things at a
very young age.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yes i am.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm here to say if I had a daughter that
was that was asking me to do sorts of fillers
and treatments in her teens, I would be very upset.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, It's a different conversation you and I sitting
here talking about any sort of injectable because we are
of an age where that makes sense for our skin.
And so I totally get what you're saying. We're not
advocating for young women or men to be doing this
at all. We want now, yes, you should enjoy your
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youth and your elastic skin and your.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Natural hologen and ologen yees.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Another great I mean in Rachel's wellness box for Curator,
we had now Shamie has an incredible product. It's called
non injectable collagen and it's a it's a flavorless collagen
powder that you can add in as a supplement to
your coffee, to a smoothie, you know, mix it with
any kind of liquid and drink it. And it's not
a great Also collagen support that's not a needle or
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a laser. So there's options for volume loss. You just
got to figure out what's right for you and what
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I would say that if you're young, like, there's so
much available now to start doing to nurture and keep
your collagen levels, like your collagen strong, right, right, I
think that like twenty years ago, twenty five years ago,
like we didn't there's really drinking collagen powders, and now
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you know all of these things that are so good
for not just your skin, but your whole body and yourselves.
So you know, I would say, do as much as
you can. Now.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, well that's a good segue because the next question
we got several times times was what body lotion or
serum do you like to use.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I am very as I said, like, there are a
handful of brands that I use on face and body,
because they do do both, like Barber Storm, like Shawnee Darden,
like You Beauty. I love the super Body Hydrator and
arm sculpt by You Beauty. I love honest body products.
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I love honest body cream and body oils. I love
Core Organics. I use the body scrub in the shower.
I use the body oil. I love One One One
skin has this incredible pink. The bottles pink. I'm seeing
it in my head of the body oil. I love those.
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I love body oil. I use body oil. I use
body scrubs and body oils more than I use body
creams and lotions. And that goes back to our cold,
thin yes. And what's really funny about that is I
have been putting, as my sister says, lotions and potions
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on my children since the day they were born. Yes,
and as you know, Mary, there for a lot of that.
They would come out of the shower and I would
literally drench them head to toe and Colendula Arnica Egyptian
magic like what I could not think of the name
(29:30):
what it was magic, that magic, an incredible product for
moms iredible. Yea, it's by the way, I use the
Egyptian magic now like it's just this incredible magical solve
that works on everything everywhere based dry patch rosetia dermatitis.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Like any very gentle an.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Also, colendula is a magical ingredient. The California baby colendula
also yield everything on my boy's skin, right, I would
say now that Skylar battles, you know, exima flares here
and there. He's outgrown it for the most part, but
he is really sensitive skin. Right, But so I would
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say that that's the kind of stuff is on my
body and we use in our whole family. Is like
Egyptian magics and very clean body oils and serums. They're
the best.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah. I love that. Good takeaway. Okay, let's move to makeup.
You actually already answered the first question, I think, unless
there's another one, But it said what's the best makeup
trick a renowned makeup artist has taught you, which would
probably be the concealer trick. But is there anything else
that you've learned from, Like I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Contour Okay, Montour is like who taught you that was it?
Like Charlotte Tilbury was Charlotte Listen. Charlotte Tilbury was the
original teacher for me for everything because she did all
of my fashion shows for most of the time that
I was doing fashion shows, and she did it. And
then Kate Lee is another makeup artist that I've worked
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with so much over the years. Gillian Dempsey, A lot
of makeup artists that I've had the privilege of working
with for so many years taught me, you know, tricks
of the trade. Ashley who does my makeup, who just
went and had a baby, bless and Emma Willis here
in La have taught me the every day, the everyday
(31:30):
woman's trick to contouring and that has changed my life.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Oh, I would love to hear that.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I would also say that one of my absolute favorite
contour contour brands that I've gotten that I also have
not mentioned, but now that we're talking about makeup, yep,
I love Victoria Beckham's makeup. I look her contour. I'm
now only the fifth one. And it's a stick, which
(31:59):
is why I like it. It looks like it would
be a thin lipstick, right, So it's just a roll up.
It's easy, and I like it because you can be
precise with it. I have other ones that I love,
but they're much thicker. And I actually like this one
because you can do two lines on your nose. You
can do the line around your face and you literally
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draw on your face like a crayon, you like a crayon,
and it's like a chocolate brown crayon. And I put
two lines, one on each side of my nose, blend
it out round the line of my forehead, blend it
up into my hair in the right under my cheekbones.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And my kids love when I do it. They think
it's the funniest thing when they see me do it,
because I literally drawl over my face and then around
your jawline and then you blend it, and you blend
it like super easy, so it doesn't look super contoured,
but it immediately like shadows in places that you want
it to.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, So that would definitely be my best makeup.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
And I love that, you know, just the queen of
all everything in Charlotte Tilbury taught you that Cadual.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I mean, she really is the queen. I mean she
lives what, she what she.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
And she's a character. She's so much energy, it's so funny.
It's the queen bubbly. Yeah, she's a legend. Okay, moving on,
what are some of your favorite eyeliners right now?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I would say, oh my god, I did not you
know why, because we're just talking about makeup now. How
did I not talk about this? I'm obsessed with rare beauty, Selena.
I love Selena Gomez's line and again a clean beauty line.
And I'm just gonna say it here now. I am
the first one that's skeptical about clean beauty in terms
(33:44):
of makeup and sort of how it's one thing with
skincare makeup, it's a different thing makeup. For me, the
beginning eras of clean beauty were not effective in terms
of makeup. They just didn't stay on. They did and
apply as well, and they expired really quickly. I would say,
(34:04):
in terms of makeup, my tried and true favorites that
are in my makeup bag are literally good. Yous men Westman.
Attilie also another brilliant makeup artist, and hers is clean.
Her foundation sticks are game changing. Her products are incredible.
I love Merit Beauty also has an amazing contour, bronzing
(34:27):
kind of stick that I love that I love. I
love Merit eyebrow.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Jel yeah so good.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I love Merit mascara. I love Rare Beauty eyeliner. I
am now on my tenth Rare Beauty. What liquid eyeliner?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Okay? I was going to say, what shade do you like?
Because okay, I now in my thirties, have maybe mid
to late thirties, you know, maybe later than mid. I
notice that when I do a black like a like
a true black eyeliner.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I go, emmy, oh my god, you look so major.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But I always feel like I look older than when
I use like a brown, brown or more neutral tonal color. Okay,
So what is your takeaway from black?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Black? To me, I'm like, oh my god, it's my mother.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
The black is intense. Black is intense. I think to
answer that black is great for night when you want
more of an eye and you're going to be in
darker lighting, sure brown and every shade of brown. I
have every shade of Victoria back on eyeliner. They go
on like frosting. They're literally like velvet.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Beautiful colors too.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
The colors are gorgeous, they smudge really well. I love
her shades of brown. I wear them every day. I
love Mario's makeup by Mario. It's what's Mario beauty Maria,
It's makeup Maria. I use his eyeliners. I love them.
And again, I think for day and everyday life, browns
(36:11):
are great, and I think even if you're not comfortable
with black, then do just a deeper chocolate brown and
smudge it out at night. But I love eyeliner. It's
part of my five minute routine. I love it. I
think it's because I have like yellow green eyes, and
I think I was taught when I was young, like honey,
you have to wear liner, like it just pulls out
(36:31):
the yellow, right. I don't know, so I just I
just feel naked without eyeliner and mascara. So it's right,
But what a natural day you smudge it. It's not
as severe, you know. Yeah, I mean I love a
liquid liner.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But again, it's like that would be for nighttime because
if I wear it during the day, I feel like
I'm wearing a mask of my mom.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
But a brown eyeliner is is hard, like a brown liquid,
I would say, is more tricky. Like I would say, yeah,
they're pouty, They're like a green power. Yeah, I would do.
I don't know again, like Merit Victoria Backham eyeliner, so good,
so good, but I've got to try. I'm obsessed with
(37:14):
I'm obsessed with it. I really am rare beauty. I
mean those are like tried and true right now, I'm obsessed.
The one last thing I would say to just touch
on Charlotte Tilbury her color chameleon. I want to say,
they're called the sticks.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I love those things.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
The black diamond or the amber haze, or the emeralds
green like the emerald whatever, smoky courts. They're all amazing.
And those are like all in one. Her makeup is expensive.
But what I would say to that is it's an
all in one, so you can use it as a liner,
you can smudge it and use it as a shadow.
(37:53):
So I like things that are multi.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Functional, Oh for sure. Yeah, And I find my Charlotte,
I will last me a long time, like's it's a
good you know, cost per use situation because because it
just a little goes a long way and you can
use it for a very very long time, which is
one of the reasons I love her stuff. Okay, speaking
about liners, do you use slip liner or just lipstick?
(38:18):
And is it still a thing for us to be
overlining our lips?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
No? No, don't overline? Well, that depends.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, I have never successfully overlined my lips. I look
like an absolute clown. I've never successfully been able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
But I've been fortunate in my life to have full lips.
My mother gave them to me.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I have full lips. So I am not someone who
loves to overdraw. I will draw to even out because
everyone has one side that's like lower, so I will
draw to to to even it out. But also you
can go a little under to just even so I'm
okay with like a millimeter, But don't underline it because
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that's not good either, right, so you have to go
a little outside the line. Okay, you do, But again,
these are great things to watch like an expert do
on YouTube or TikTok or Instagram because all of the
best makeup artists like Mary Phillips and Hang Vong Goh
and Gucci Westman and Charlotte Tillerbray. They do these tutorials
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day in and day out on social so it's so
easy to see how to do it properly, because not
done properly, it's no way now. So what I would
say to that is, I do wear lipliner, and I
wear it because I think it stays on better when
I line it. In the nineties, I only wore lipliner.
(39:48):
In the early two thousand, I probably only wore lipliner
with like a little lip bomb over it. And I
will say this, it never came off. I never had
to reapply throughout the night. So there are and now
that nineties makeup is back, like people are literally doing
that again.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Right, the Browns are coming back the BNP.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I can't bear a Matte lip, a Matt anything. I
will not do Matt. I don't care if the nineties
are back. I was there the first time, so I
don't have to do it now. I don't do Matt.
I think Matt at a certain age makes you look
older because your skin looks so dry. I like fresh,
dewy skin. I like a little bit of achine. I
(40:32):
like a little bit of a highlight on the cheek.
I won't leave home without it, even care what the
trends are. So my approach in general to makeup is
the same as it is to clothing. You have to
do what works for you. You cannot be a victim
of trend with makeup. You take the trend and you
apply it to your life and your skin and your
(40:54):
age and what works best for you. I will always
have Hydrated skin makes you look older. It just does.
And I'm here to say that. I'm not an expert,
but I'm here to say that. So makeup gets stuck
in the cracks and your lips are cracked and everything else.
So I apply serums throughout the day. I apply hydrating
(41:14):
products on top of my makeup. I don't know if
you're allowed to do that, but I do it.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You do it, you break all the beauty rules.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I do. But I would say this, I have found
what looks more natural on me is when I apply
my lip color, which is always a hydrated lip color,
usually a like a wine plum berry of sorts, and
then I'll actually apply the liner afterwards. That's interesting it
looks better for me.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
To just add more pigment and kind of just just
to where you're uneven, almost like trap it.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
It's like you're wrapping it.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah right, Okay, I like that. I don't say it's like.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I'm stealing it and shaping it.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Okay, clever. I like that tip. I'm going to try that.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Moving to hair, A lot of hair questions for you.
My personal favorite one would be, would you ever dye
your hair another color? Yeah? No, she's a blonde for life.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I am blonde for life. I also go various shades
of blonde, brightness, slighter, like sometimes I'll look back. I
just look back at a picture from August and I
was like, Jesus, I should never be that blonde. I've
looked at pictures when.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Your skin gets a little more tan too. Yeah. Yeah,
I always say I go very like full Cogan in
the summer. It's not great. I gotta I'll back the blonde. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, so I like to be warmer when I'm tanner,
but no, I won't. My kids are dying for me
to be brunette because they want me to match them.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Well, I guess they
match Roger, so they feel like they've got some matching.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Good They want to like, they want me to match them.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
But if you are listening and you're curious about what
Rachel looks like with darker hair, just scroll back on
her Instagram and you'll see some of the throwback photos
she's done, and she's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I look like Caius.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
You look just like Pius.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I just looked at a picture from when I first
met Roger, and I look like Caius. I'm like, in
case we're wondering who he looks.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Like, Yeah, yeah, you're you're twins. Another question that was
a favorite of mine was do you ever style your
hair back or off of your face?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
The answer is no, I haven't for a long time,
and I think I have to start to like negotiate.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
That with myself because it's so chic when you do.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I just I don't know, it's like you know, and
I've talked about this a lot. I think my hair
is emotional for me. It's like a psychological thing. It's
it's a security blanket, it's a curtain, it's a it's
a it's a comfort. It's easy. I don't cut it.
I barely style it. Yeah, I watch it twice a week.
(43:55):
It's just part of my like being. And so I
think wearing it up would almost feel like I was
walking into a ballroom with no clothes on. Yeah, and
so I have to sort of work through that, I
think at some point. Yep, So I think the last
picture I saw of me up with my hair up
was pregnant, like the golden globes.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
You had, like a was it like a high pony? Like?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
People will post it when we post this episode.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, we're going to get We're going to give the
people what they want, dark hair and pulled back. Yeah,
I'll pull some photos so funny. Rachel's not a fan
of half up, half down.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I will know. I it's very sixth grade to me.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Oh got it, got it. One other question, we got
quite a lot. My hair is very very dry, and
I'm wondering what kind of leave in treatments you like
to use.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
There are so many good ones. I will say. What
I am completely obsessed with right now is K eighteen.
A eighteen is basically it's a product that came out
within the last like two to three years. I want
to say, but now they've expanded the line and it
(45:12):
starts with a leaven treatment mask that you put on
and you literally don't rinse it out, but it's literally
like it's like a bio cellular scientific thing that like
it's very very healing for your hair, and it's it
really is effective. It's called K eighteen and I love it.
(45:34):
There are some Oliplex products that I have found to
be very effective as well, but K eighteen is definitely
what I've been really using religiously over the last like
since the summer I started using it.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
That's great. And since we talked about clean beauty just
in skincare and make up, what are your favorite clean
beauty hair products for kai?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I really am all amazing too.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
It smells amazing, and I also, like, you know, I've
known Frederick Fakai for many, many years, and when he
launched his clean Vegan line of hair products, he was
so passionate. He worked so long on it, and I
remember the first time I tried it, and I have
to say, like, I love all the shampoos and conditioners,
(46:27):
I love the leaven hair treatments. It is so so
good and it smells so good and it works. It
really really works. He's got lines for color. I really
really love it. I use it religiously. And what's great is,
like my kids use all of these products, so you know,
when it comes to hair and skin and body, like,
(46:49):
I love the fact that what's in my shower they
can use, like, you know, because they use my shower
a lot. So it's nice that I got to like, wait,
I got to get kid products.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Like I don't use that.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's been that's been amazing.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Okay, I love that. And we got a lot of
questions about the beauty products or the pharmacies in Paris.
So if you had to do a supermarket sweep, you've
got like a minute to grab products from like a
French beauty supply or pharmacy. What are you grabbing?
Speaker 2 (47:26):
God? Oh my god, there's so many good ones. Claudaalis
uh huh, rock Roc yep, been around forever, my mom's
favorite lip bomb. She makes me bring ten of them
back every time I go. Now you can get them here,
Claude Depot anything yep, and every amazing products. Yeah, there's
(47:49):
probably so many. I'm not thinking of I just French pharmacy.
I mean in just hours. I stand there, I know hours.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
It's like a wonderland.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
It is if French pharmacies are a wonderland. There is
a new product. I actually posted it on my social
over the weekend. It's this incredible solve. It's called like
bo bo you and J like eut. It's like Boget
or something. Anyway. It comes in a little pot okay,
(48:19):
and it's like almost it's a solid, but you can
make it almost a little more liquidy and it's literally
works like a French totally clean Egyptian magic. It's a
solve love that your lips, your face, your elbows, anywhere
that needs hydration. And I love it and it's French
and it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
I need everything French we like. Yes, well, thank you
so much Rachel for answering all of these beauty questions.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Guys, stay out of the song.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yes we're are your SPF guys.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
But I but here's what I'll say, enjoy your life.
I like a little real sun, just with some block let,
raisin let the vitamin D N.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, yep, all right, protect your skain. We'll talk to
you guys soon.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
All right, guys, that was so much fun. I could
talk about beauty for days and days and days. So
if you like this beauty talk, let us know because
I'll just keep doing them because there's never things that
we run out of talking about when it comes to beauty.
So thank you so much for asking all these amazing questions.
I promised to answer more on our next one. And
thank you always for listening to Climbing and Heels. Don't
(49:34):
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Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing in Heels.
The show is all about celebrating extraordinary superwomen who will
be sharing their incredible journeys to the top, all while
staying glamorous. Other than fashion, beauty is a topic that
I can get so many questions on, whether it's from
social media or interviews or meeting people in real life.
(00:30):
You guys definitely have questions about skincare and makeup and
everything in between. Last week I asked you guys to
submit your beauty questions for me to answer on the podcast,
and here to help me is my amazing producer and
have blood sister everything else, Mary Elizabeth. You all know
her at this point. So let's see what you guys
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are needing to know and see if I can answer
your questions. So let's do it. Hi, Rage, hiy, Happy Monday,
tell me everything. Hang Noday.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I like to just preface for our listeners. I know
that they get these new episodes every Friday, but I
feel like it's important insider information to know that we are,
in fact recording this on a Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes we are, and post COVID by the way, So
I'm very yeah, so I sound a little funny.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Rachel was down, but she is back, feeling better, ready
to take on the week. I'm sure. Well, I wanted
to give our listeners a little Rachel's a life update
since we haven't talked to them one on one in
a minute. But it looks like, according to Instagram, you
went to a very fabulous dare I say themed party?
I think two weekends ago, a week and a half
ago somewhere I did tell us about that. You looked amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, it was interesting. The theme was Beyond the Stars attire,
and for me, it was sort of like a dress
rehearsal because fun fact that may or may not be
close to the theme of my son's upcoming thirteenth celebration
before summer. So it was nice to see and it
was incredibly glamorous, but funny enough, like I'm one of
(02:07):
the only ones there. Me and another very prominent person
who loves to get into theme who really went there
were like the only ones that did like the makeup
and like brought it to some sort of mid tier
I guess hybrid of costume and reality.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Possessed me, but I just did. I got super into
it because I felt like it was I don't know,
it was a fun moment, and truthfully, I thought everyone
would do it. They didn't. They just wore sparkles. They
just wore something funny.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's like, we're in the showbiz capital of the world now,
you would think people would really lean in.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I know, because I feel like if in New York City,
if someone was given that theme, they would have been
in like masks and like, oh yeah, like it would
have become like a masquerade ball and like you know,
and I feel like la is so cash that everyone's like,
what sparkley sequence do I have that I can wear
for this?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Or what do I have? The moon in a star let?
Me dust off my sparkly ugs.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Totally, And so everyone looked great. But I just I
really thought people would get more into like the theme,
but they yeah, but it'll be amazing. Honestly, your dress.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Was so gorgeous. Who was it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Vivian west Yeah, it was Vivian Westwood, white sequin corset,
like a very classic Vivian Westwood. I think we've seen
countless people in the Red Carpet wear variations of that
Westwood because it's so like her signature. I don't want
to make an assumption that people know that Vivian Westwood
(03:40):
has passed recently in the last year, but she was
an icon and a legend in the fashion industry. I mean,
most notably, I think Gwen Stefani is one of the
people that really wears had got married in Vivian Westwood
and that.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Dress was epic. I remember that gapic because didn't it
have like a pink ombre yes the train or something
very Gwen.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, it was magical. It was really magical. I mean
we've seen countless Diane Krueger, Jessica Chastain very recently wore
I think like a purple one to something major and
then yeah, so, I mean, but it was something that
I personally had not worn because it's not very me.
(04:27):
I don't typically wear corsets. I think the only other
one I've worn, maybe is the one I wore Jean
Baptista like ball down to the gla right.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
And it had that that like sort of sheer like.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And the pink like yeah, others and stuff, So.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
That was a good one too. Did anybody interpret the
theme like like galactic? Was anybody in like a spacesuit
or like dressed up like an alien.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Or yes, yes there was one in particular person that
us as an alien.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And then so funny are we holding for something? What
do you think is Roger Burman in there?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm doing a podcast. Do not realize I knew you.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Were going to yell at me.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
No, those are mine, and I knew you were. I
was trying to put into us, sneaking it in. I
did try them on, and I want to bring them both.
But if you if you, if you really don't want
me to just bring the black, because I'm going to
ski one day, So if you really want me to
bring one, then just bring the black that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I love this so much for our listeners, I'm keeping
this in. Roger just busted into Rachel's office and is
asking her, demanding her to choose a pair of ski
pants for their uncomic trip and that is to day
in the life.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Well, because they're perfect moment and I love perfect moment
ski clothes and i have like some amazing looks from them,
and I'm only going to ski one day, so technically
I should bring one pair, but I couldn't decide, so
I tried to sneak in both, but because he's in
charge of cracking the ski clothes, hested me and then
(06:10):
called me out on it. Just now as you heard,
got it?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Okay, Well we'll have to stay tuned for what ski
pants make the cut.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I just want what you should.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You should tell everybody why you're going to Aspen, because
it's a big deal. It's a very cool, big deal.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I'm going to Aspen for the annual Snowball gala that
raises funds for the Children's Pediatric Cancer Hospital in Colorado,
and they are giving me an award for my work
with children and children, you know, fighting different all different
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types of challenges in their life. But as you know, Mary,
my number one mission his children always so and children
need us. So I'm very honored to get an honor.
And I think my children are going to present me
with the award, which will be.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Oh, that'll be really special, that'll be really wonderful. While
you keep together, I know, well, it's okay if you don't.
I feel like in those moments it's okay if you
can't keep it together, because it's definitely a reflection of
how moved you are and how much this the work
you do means to you and to your kids. Because
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fun fact about Rachel, she has not been shy or
stand offish or guarded her kids from any of the
work she does in children's charity. She very much has
her kids with her and a lot of the work
that she does in serving underprivileged families, in having the
kids come along with her to children's hospitals to really
(07:47):
have them see and understand that they are very, very
lucky and fortunate to be healthy, happy children. And she
is really her boys, both Skyler and Kius, have a
very empathetic and wonderful, full giving heart because Rachel's done
a wonderful and Roger both have done a wonderful job
about involving their kids in the work that they do.
So you very much deserve it. And it's going to
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be very emotional.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I'll be there. You're going to be with me.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I know I won't be there, but Pamela is going
to go. Rachel's awesome sister is going to be there.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That'll help.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Oh, she's help. It won't help the water works.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
No, that's the only person that cries more than I
do in these scenarios.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yes, exactly, it's Pamela. But no, We're all going to
look forward to seeing that on social media because it'll
be a wonderful, glamorous and very moving evening. I'm sure,
do you know what you're wearing? By the way, I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Even ask you.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
That's also classic Rachel. She'll just set out before I know.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
What I'm wearing the night before, I'm wearing Beaumont.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Okay, there's a step.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
We're doing this beautiful dinner that Baumont is sponsoring, so
it's it's really amazing that they're doing this. So yeah,
it'll be a Beaumont kind of weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh, very fun, very chic. Okay, Miss Rachel Doe. Well,
as you know, fashion is always something that people ask
you about constantly, continually, which makes a whole lot of
sense because you are a fashion authority. But the other
question you get asked all the time, whether we're doing
a press interview, whether you're pulling your Instagram followers, whether
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people are walking up to you on the street, is
about beauty.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
After they ask if what they're wearing is okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, they always like to ask about that, and then
they'll ask you about beauty. We actually Rachel and her
very good friend nurse Jamie hosted a Cureator event at
her Beauty Park along here in La So I figured,
beauty is on the tip of our tongues. All of
your followers, listeners have questions for you, so I thought
I would take you through a couple of their questions,
and I broke them out into three different buckets for us.
(09:50):
So we're going to do skincare, makeup, and hair. Okay,
those were your top questions. Okay, well let's just jump
right into it, shall we yep? Okay, starting with skincare,
which we all know, very very hot, popular topic, a
lot of lot of products out there, a lot of
information out there about skincare. So we got this question
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multiple times. So I had to go first, what steps
are in your everyday skincare routine? So what are you
doing morning or night? But what are your must do steps?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So it's a loaded question. It's a loaded question because
I have realized over the last ten to fifteen years
how much my son worshiping for my entire tween to
twenty something life has damaged, you know, my skin, right.
(10:55):
But I will also say that I've now lived in
LA for twenty years, which is one of the driest
places to live in the United States, for sure, and
the amount of hydration that I can put on my
skin throughout the day is it's almost it doesn't matter,
like I don't think.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
That limit doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yes, it's like when I'm in Florida, right, it's totally different.
And so I would say to that that while I
am here, I cannot live morning and night and sometimes
throughout the day there is I literally open my eyes
in the morning and I put Pyallanic serum on my
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face and maybe a Vitamin C serum over that. I
use Barbara Storm typically. Yes, that is very expensive. There
are so many that are not Cora organics I'm obsessed with.
I use beauty fora clean beauty. I use a lot
of honest products, Honest beauty as well, which is very affordable.
(12:03):
And I think you know, to that, I would say,
I use a lot of serums without question. I use serums.
I use vitem C serums, I use Nia sin Zerum
B serums, as many serums as I can put on.
They actually work. They actually really I have found they
really work. I then one of my favorite moisturizers that
(12:24):
I'm now on my like tenth bottle of is You
Beauty her one particular product, and they're all amazing. The
arm sculpt, the body sculpt of this that they're all amazing,
the resurfacing compound, amazing, the you beauty. I want to
say it's called super Hydrator. It's one of the best
moisturizers I've used, and that is because it genuinely feels
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like a shield. Yeah, and it keeps my skin hydrated
all day.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And it gives you that kind of like dooiness and
it it just really works, and I love it. I
really do love it, and I really would swear by
it because I've now tried a million different hydrators. Moistressures
is absolutely one of my favorite, especially for day. And
then I also love Shawny Darden's products are amazingly effecting.
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They really work, hurt, they really really work. And again,
this is what I'll say about beauty. There are a
lot of products that cost a lot of money, and
there are a lot of products that are not worth
the money, and a lot of products that you need
very very little to apply, literally like a dime, and
that investment will last a long time. Now, everyone has
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their budget of what they can spend within reason, but
I would say some products are worth it and some
are not. But I would also say that there are
so many that are you can buy in drug stores
and things like that that are affordable, that are incredible.
And I also want to say that there are cheap
products and we can get into that later. Not but
like ones that I use on my children, that I
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use on myself, that like ourselves, that are like incredible
that you can put everywhere, So we can get into
that way.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And when are you cleansing your skin, because, like like
you said, being in California, it's so dry here, I was.
I was cleansing morning and night, and finally I was like,
my skin can't handle this being stripped twice. So I
only cleanse in the evening and then like sort of
water wash in the morning because it's too drying for me.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And even when I use a cleanser, so it would
be at night, and even when I do that, it's
light and it's a hydrating cleanser. I use a cleanser
like an enzyme cleanser from Barber stm or I use
a cleanser from Core Organic's. My favorite one is the Tumeric.
There's a t I got a finger cleanser. I have
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a lighter one, one that's just for face, and then
one that works almost like a and I use it
in the shower every single time I shower because it's
very gentle and it's like you can leave it on
while you like wash your hair and stuff. And I
love that product. I really do. As it pertains to
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clean beauty in general, beauty products, especially for face. I
really love Core Organics. I love it. I'm so impressed
with how it works, honestly. But I do cleanse mostly
at night, not during the day, because then I use
an even heavier like sometimes I'll put like a there's
a Kora night mask that you can sleep in, Yes,
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because you can get away with things while you're sleeping
that you can't put on during the day.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah. Too heavy, Too too heavy. Yeah. Fresh makes a
really good overnight mask that's good for like tightening and
it feels really good. But again, you can't put that
on in the morning and then home makeup over it.
You're just gonna look like the makeup slattin off your face.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I'm also going to say something that's a big beauty
no no, but I I really stand by it because
I'm always in a hurry. I use makeup wipes as
a cheat all the time. I do, and I'll just
use ones that are hydrating and not stripping. And to
be honest, my favorite makeup wipes are Honest wipes, the
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pink I think they're pink, the makeup remover wipes. I
use them like crazy. They're super gentle. I even use
them on my kids. Yeah, because I always have to
remove things off their faces. Gods, so I use those
a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, those are great too. Okay. We had a lot
of listeners ask about under eyebags, lots of different questions
about that. The age old, the age old. What do
you do to reduce the appearance of under eyebags?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh my god. Okay, so I've been I've been blessed
in my family. I will say this, My sister got
it worse than me. She genetically has my dads which
are like huffy, yeah, and mine are not. They're there,
but it's it's different. I can cover mine, they're not.
(17:05):
They're not polarizing under my eyes, right, So I think
some of it is genetics and really hard to completely
make disappear. Yeah, I have learned that over the years
because I have many friends that you know and listen.
I'm just going to be very honest. I think at
a certain age and I and I have not done it,
but I will do it at some point. Products can't help, right,
(17:29):
Like I think you, There's only so much products can do.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
There are some incredible depuffing products. There are things that
can help under iye, I swear and live by under
eye masks. I love them. I love the Wander Beauty
ones I think are incredible. I love the one one
One's skin everything, the one one one skin face masks,
(17:55):
especially the black diamond line unbelievable, and the IMA. I
will not do an appearance without using imasks. I will
not because they actually really do help in terms of
covering under eye bags. There's a lot of things you
can do. It is an art form and you honestly
should watch YouTube or TikTok and watch the makeup experts
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do it because there is an art to it. Ones
that we as civilians, not make up artists, cannot fully do.
But I think the ones that all of us that
have little ones. The trick is you want to use
a concealer that certainly has coverage, right, like a medium
at least I will definitely say that stick coverage. Stick covers,
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while thick, and I would recommend using them with an
I cream, really work better. They don't slip right off.
More liquid ones are for younger people that don't need
so much coverage because they're thinner, you know. But I
love the Charlotte Tilbury one. I love the makeup by
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Mario Ones. The key is to use ones that may
have a little bit of orange or a little bit
of peach, a little bit of red. Right. So there
are makeup artists that will literally put pigment if you
have very dark circles, right, counter act, color correct the
color correct, and then apply a lighter, one shade lighter,
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at least one shade lighter than your foundation. Right. That
is the key that I've learned is to not use
the same don't match your concealer to your foundation.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Right. It should be be a shade lighter.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It should be a shade lighter. Yeh yes. And you
don't want that under eye thing that is super dry
and cracky because that's so gross. So you want to
always have it be like a hydrating under eye, and
then you can always put a little translucent powder over
it to set it. But that's definitely one of the
tricks that I've learned from makeup artists over the years
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because that was a huge thing. I was trying to
match my kids with my foundation because that's what one
would think, right.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, of course, yeah, but no skin is.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Doing your skin is. I have to tell you, it's
an art form. It really is. As you get older,
if you're someone listen, there's also people that barely wear makeup, right.
I have friends that are the same age as me
that where maybe they wear a concealer, maybe they wear
the lightest foundation. I'm someone that loves makeup, so I
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like the contour, I like the skin different dimension and
I like that.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
So yeah, it's just an art form. It truly is.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But I would recommend honestly watching the experts on your
eye because it's complex in that you have to know
your skin colors right and your tones and your colors
because for the longest time, I didn't know what my
skin tone was. I'm like, I'm olive, but meanwhile I'm
so much yellow, so that makes different color to correct
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under like black and blue.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
So yeah, like a color consultation is like it is
the first.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I recommem that I really do recommen and now you
can actually do it online and you can also do
it like on Sephora and Alta and some of the
like better like cosmetic brands will literally scan you and.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Tell you and it should avoid And what you should
do is, yeah, do you do you ever do I
don't think I've ever seen you do this, so maybe
you don't, but maybe you do. I don't know. Do
you ever do the ice rolling, to deep puff or
to like help with bags?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yes, but the answer is no because I hate the shock.
But I will say this, I from the age of
probably thirteen, I would before school put metal spoons in
the freezer on ice and hold metal spoons on my
eyes because I always puffy eyes. You know this. I
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have super sensitive eyes, so I don't get big black circles,
but I do get very puffy eyes. I'm allergic to feathers,
weird pillows like yeah, you know, so I've been a depuffer.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
For a depuffer. I love that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Oh yeah, so the cold spoons are an amazing quick fix.
And then when the whole cucumber thing came out, I
tried that too.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Oh yeah, the cucumber thing.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Cold cold alo leaves Also I love that very small.
It's very but I think those are really good tricks
to know at home that like you don't need money
to do these things, like my hollow plant, you know,
and just take some leaves and like, yeah, I'm in
the free cucumbers. Cold cucumbers like that really does work.
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It's sometimes people will say, like tea bags work, so
fixes I love them. I love that at home homeopathic ones. Yeah,
cold it does work.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, if you yeah again, but if you don't like
the shock might not be.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Really, I don't love the cold roller. I'm you will
never find me doing a cold plunge. I'm here to
say that.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yes, I don't think there's enough money to pay you
to get you to do a cold plunge.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's I mean, I'm the coldest personal life that is
the world. And I watch people do it. My whole
body quivers.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, it's a thing. It's a trend.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It's a thing.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It really is. Okay, next question, what do you find
effective for helping with volume loss in your face and
in your neck?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, let's see, I'm going to say people listen. I mean,
I am here to say do the natural thing as
long as you can go the product route, use the rollers.
I will say my Lima laser has changed my life.
I am here to say that the Lima laser is
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one of the things that I have seen to be
the most effective thing you could ever do at home.
It is incredibly expensive, so I'm not here to say
it's affordable, but I am here to say that if
you're spending so much money on crazy products that cost
almost one thousand dollars or like at home things, crazy treatments,
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crazy treatments that you're going to these facials are getting
so expensive. Yeah, I would say that the Lima laser
is incredibly helpful. It stimulates your collagen. If you use
it even five to fifteen minutes per day while you're
on calls before you go to sleep, it's incredible. Like literally,
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Roger asked me if I went and got something done
to my face. But yeah, and so here's what I'll say.
There are the most incredible topical things that you can
do for volume loss. They have developed the most incredible
laser treatments and micro micro needling like Certunza and god
it's called Althea or oh my god, there's so many
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lass like that. He has that are non invasive.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It's not Alma lasers. Ah My, I want to see
one of those. That's really great too, And they.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Are incredible, but I will say they're they're not inexpensive.
So here's what I'll say. Do everything topical right, Do
the micro needling, do the lasering, the portenza, because it
helps the quality of your skin. It literally tricks yourselves
to regenerate and rebuild and rebuilds collagen. So like these
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these developments are unbelievable to avoid having to do injectibles right,
But it feels at a certain point botox and different
fillers and the like are really game changing. When they work,
they work, You know what I will say to that, though,
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you know, listen, it's a very long beauty episode that
I would get into about my feelings about it, because
I don't. I am against doing these things at a
very young age.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yes i am.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm here to say if I had a daughter that
was that was asking me to do sorts of fillers
and treatments in her teens, I would be very upset.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, It's a different conversation you and I sitting
here talking about any sort of injectable because we are
of an age where that makes sense for our skin.
And so I totally get what you're saying. We're not
advocating for young women or men to be doing this
at all. We want now, yes, you should enjoy your
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youth and your elastic skin and your.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Natural hologen and ologen yees.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Another great I mean in Rachel's wellness box for Curator,
we had now Shamie has an incredible product. It's called
non injectable collagen and it's a it's a flavorless collagen
powder that you can add in as a supplement to
your coffee, to a smoothie, you know, mix it with
any kind of liquid and drink it. And it's not
a great Also collagen support that's not a needle or
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a laser. So there's options for volume loss. You just
got to figure out what's right for you and what
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I would say that if you're young, like, there's so
much available now to start doing to nurture and keep
your collagen levels, like your collagen strong, right, right, I
think that like twenty years ago, twenty five years ago,
like we didn't there's really drinking collagen powders, and now
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you know all of these things that are so good
for not just your skin, but your whole body and yourselves.
So you know, I would say, do as much as
you can. Now.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, well that's a good segue because the next question
we got several times times was what body lotion or
serum do you like to use.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I am very as I said, like, there are a
handful of brands that I use on face and body,
because they do do both, like Barber Storm, like Shawnee Darden,
like You Beauty. I love the super Body Hydrator and
arm sculpt by You Beauty. I love honest body products.
(28:26):
I love honest body cream and body oils. I love
Core Organics. I use the body scrub in the shower.
I use the body oil. I love One One One
skin has this incredible pink. The bottles pink. I'm seeing
it in my head of the body oil. I love those.
(28:47):
I love body oil. I use body oil. I use
body scrubs and body oils more than I use body
creams and lotions. And that goes back to our cold,
thin yes. And what's really funny about that is I
have been putting, as my sister says, lotions and potions
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on my children since the day they were born. Yes,
and as you know, Mary, there for a lot of that.
They would come out of the shower and I would
literally drench them head to toe and Colendula Arnica Egyptian
magic like what I could not think of the name
(29:30):
what it was magic, that magic, an incredible product for
moms iredible. Yea, it's by the way, I use the
Egyptian magic now like it's just this incredible magical solve
that works on everything everywhere based dry patch rosetia dermatitis.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Like any very gentle an.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Also, colendula is a magical ingredient. The California baby colendula
also yield everything on my boy's skin, right, I would
say now that Skylar battles, you know, exima flares here
and there. He's outgrown it for the most part, but
he is really sensitive skin. Right, But so I would
(30:14):
say that that's the kind of stuff is on my
body and we use in our whole family. Is like
Egyptian magics and very clean body oils and serums. They're
the best.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah. I love that. Good takeaway. Okay, let's move to makeup.
You actually already answered the first question, I think, unless
there's another one, But it said what's the best makeup
trick a renowned makeup artist has taught you, which would
probably be the concealer trick. But is there anything else
that you've learned from, Like I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Contour Okay, Montour is like who taught you that was it?
Like Charlotte Tilbury was Charlotte Listen. Charlotte Tilbury was the
original teacher for me for everything because she did all
of my fashion shows for most of the time that
I was doing fashion shows, and she did it. And
then Kate Lee is another makeup artist that I've worked
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with so much over the years. Gillian Dempsey, A lot
of makeup artists that I've had the privilege of working
with for so many years taught me, you know, tricks
of the trade. Ashley who does my makeup, who just
went and had a baby, bless and Emma Willis here
in La have taught me the every day, the everyday
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woman's trick to contouring and that has changed my life.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Oh, I would love to hear that.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I would also say that one of my absolute favorite
contour contour brands that I've gotten that I also have
not mentioned, but now that we're talking about makeup, yep,
I love Victoria Beckham's makeup. I look her contour. I'm
now only the fifth one. And it's a stick, which
(31:59):
is why I like it. It looks like it would
be a thin lipstick, right, So it's just a roll up.
It's easy, and I like it because you can be
precise with it. I have other ones that I love,
but they're much thicker. And I actually like this one
because you can do two lines on your nose. You
can do the line around your face and you literally
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draw on your face like a crayon, you like a crayon,
and it's like a chocolate brown crayon. And I put
two lines, one on each side of my nose, blend
it out round the line of my forehead, blend it
up into my hair in the right under my cheekbones.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And my kids love when I do it. They think
it's the funniest thing when they see me do it,
because I literally drawl over my face and then around
your jawline and then you blend it, and you blend
it like super easy, so it doesn't look super contoured,
but it immediately like shadows in places that you want
it to.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, So that would definitely be my best makeup.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
And I love that, you know, just the queen of
all everything in Charlotte Tilbury taught you that Cadual.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I mean, she really is the queen. I mean she
lives what, she what she.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
And she's a character. She's so much energy, it's so funny.
It's the queen bubbly. Yeah, she's a legend. Okay, moving on,
what are some of your favorite eyeliners right now?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I would say, oh my god, I did not you
know why, because we're just talking about makeup now. How
did I not talk about this? I'm obsessed with rare beauty, Selena.
I love Selena Gomez's line and again a clean beauty line.
And I'm just gonna say it here now. I am
the first one that's skeptical about clean beauty in terms
(33:44):
of makeup and sort of how it's one thing with
skincare makeup, it's a different thing makeup. For me, the
beginning eras of clean beauty were not effective in terms
of makeup. They just didn't stay on. They did and
apply as well, and they expired really quickly. I would say,
(34:04):
in terms of makeup, my tried and true favorites that
are in my makeup bag are literally good. Yous men Westman.
Attilie also another brilliant makeup artist, and hers is clean.
Her foundation sticks are game changing. Her products are incredible.
I love Merit Beauty also has an amazing contour, bronzing
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kind of stick that I love that I love. I
love Merit eyebrow.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Jel yeah so good.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I love Merit mascara. I love Rare Beauty eyeliner. I
am now on my tenth Rare Beauty. What liquid eyeliner?
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Okay? I was going to say, what shade do you like?
Because okay, I now in my thirties, have maybe mid
to late thirties, you know, maybe later than mid. I
notice that when I do a black like a like
a true black eyeliner.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I go, emmy, oh my god, you look so major.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But I always feel like I look older than when
I use like a brown, brown or more neutral tonal color. Okay,
So what is your takeaway from black?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Black? To me, I'm like, oh my god, it's my mother.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
The black is intense. Black is intense. I think to
answer that black is great for night when you want
more of an eye and you're going to be in
darker lighting, sure brown and every shade of brown. I
have every shade of Victoria back on eyeliner. They go
on like frosting. They're literally like velvet.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Beautiful colors too.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
The colors are gorgeous, they smudge really well. I love
her shades of brown. I wear them every day. I
love Mario's makeup by Mario. It's what's Mario beauty Maria,
It's makeup Maria. I use his eyeliners. I love them.
And again, I think for day and everyday life, browns
(36:11):
are great, and I think even if you're not comfortable
with black, then do just a deeper chocolate brown and
smudge it out at night. But I love eyeliner. It's
part of my five minute routine. I love it. I
think it's because I have like yellow green eyes, and
I think I was taught when I was young, like honey,
you have to wear liner, like it just pulls out
(36:31):
the yellow, right. I don't know, so I just I
just feel naked without eyeliner and mascara. So it's right,
But what a natural day you smudge it. It's not
as severe, you know. Yeah, I mean I love a
liquid liner.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But again, it's like that would be for nighttime because
if I wear it during the day, I feel like
I'm wearing a mask of my mom.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
But a brown eyeliner is is hard, like a brown liquid,
I would say, is more tricky. Like I would say, yeah,
they're pouty, They're like a green power. Yeah, I would do.
I don't know again, like Merit Victoria Backham eyeliner, so good,
so good, but I've got to try. I'm obsessed with
(37:14):
I'm obsessed with it. I really am rare beauty. I
mean those are like tried and true right now, I'm obsessed.
The one last thing I would say to just touch
on Charlotte Tilbury her color chameleon. I want to say,
they're called the sticks.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I love those things.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
The black diamond or the amber haze, or the emeralds
green like the emerald whatever, smoky courts. They're all amazing.
And those are like all in one. Her makeup is expensive.
But what I would say to that is it's an
all in one, so you can use it as a liner,
you can smudge it and use it as a shadow.
(37:53):
So I like things that are multi.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Functional, Oh for sure. Yeah, And I find my Charlotte,
I will last me a long time, like's it's a
good you know, cost per use situation because because it
just a little goes a long way and you can
use it for a very very long time, which is
one of the reasons I love her stuff. Okay, speaking
about liners, do you use slip liner or just lipstick?
(38:18):
And is it still a thing for us to be
overlining our lips?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
No? No, don't overline? Well, that depends.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, I have never successfully overlined my lips. I look
like an absolute clown. I've never successfully been able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
But I've been fortunate in my life to have full lips.
My mother gave them to me.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I have full lips. So I am not someone who
loves to overdraw. I will draw to even out because
everyone has one side that's like lower, so I will
draw to to to even it out. But also you
can go a little under to just even so I'm
okay with like a millimeter, But don't underline it because
(39:07):
that's not good either, right, so you have to go
a little outside the line. Okay, you do, But again,
these are great things to watch like an expert do
on YouTube or TikTok or Instagram because all of the
best makeup artists like Mary Phillips and Hang Vong Goh
and Gucci Westman and Charlotte Tillerbray. They do these tutorials
(39:28):
day in and day out on social so it's so
easy to see how to do it properly, because not
done properly, it's no way now. So what I would
say to that is, I do wear lipliner, and I
wear it because I think it stays on better when
I line it. In the nineties, I only wore lipliner.
(39:48):
In the early two thousand, I probably only wore lipliner
with like a little lip bomb over it. And I
will say this, it never came off. I never had
to reapply throughout the night. So there are and now
that nineties makeup is back, like people are literally doing
that again.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Right, the Browns are coming back the BNP.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I can't bear a Matte lip, a Matt anything. I
will not do Matt. I don't care if the nineties
are back. I was there the first time, so I
don't have to do it now. I don't do Matt.
I think Matt at a certain age makes you look
older because your skin looks so dry. I like fresh,
dewy skin. I like a little bit of achine. I
(40:32):
like a little bit of a highlight on the cheek.
I won't leave home without it, even care what the
trends are. So my approach in general to makeup is
the same as it is to clothing. You have to
do what works for you. You cannot be a victim
of trend with makeup. You take the trend and you
apply it to your life and your skin and your
(40:54):
age and what works best for you. I will always
have Hydrated skin makes you look older. It just does.
And I'm here to say that. I'm not an expert,
but I'm here to say that. So makeup gets stuck
in the cracks and your lips are cracked and everything else.
So I apply serums throughout the day. I apply hydrating
(41:14):
products on top of my makeup. I don't know if
you're allowed to do that, but I do it.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You do it, you break all the beauty rules.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I do. But I would say this, I have found
what looks more natural on me is when I apply
my lip color, which is always a hydrated lip color,
usually a like a wine plum berry of sorts, and
then I'll actually apply the liner afterwards. That's interesting it
looks better for me.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
To just add more pigment and kind of just just
to where you're uneven, almost like trap it.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
It's like you're wrapping it.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah right, Okay, I like that. I don't say it's like.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I'm stealing it and shaping it.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Okay, clever. I like that tip. I'm going to try that.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Moving to hair, A lot of hair questions for you.
My personal favorite one would be, would you ever dye
your hair another color? Yeah? No, she's a blonde for life.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I am blonde for life. I also go various shades
of blonde, brightness, slighter, like sometimes I'll look back. I
just look back at a picture from August and I
was like, Jesus, I should never be that blonde. I've
looked at pictures when.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Your skin gets a little more tan too. Yeah. Yeah,
I always say I go very like full Cogan in
the summer. It's not great. I gotta I'll back the blonde. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, so I like to be warmer when I'm tanner,
but no, I won't. My kids are dying for me
to be brunette because they want me to match them.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Well, I guess they
match Roger, so they feel like they've got some matching.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Good They want to like, they want me to match them.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
But if you are listening and you're curious about what
Rachel looks like with darker hair, just scroll back on
her Instagram and you'll see some of the throwback photos
she's done, and she's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I look like Caius.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
You look just like Pius.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I just looked at a picture from when I first
met Roger, and I look like Caius. I'm like, in
case we're wondering who he looks.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Like, Yeah, yeah, you're you're twins. Another question that was
a favorite of mine was do you ever style your
hair back or off of your face?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
The answer is no, I haven't for a long time,
and I think I have to start to like negotiate.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
That with myself because it's so chic when you do.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I just I don't know, it's like you know, and
I've talked about this a lot. I think my hair
is emotional for me. It's like a psychological thing. It's
it's a security blanket, it's a curtain, it's a it's
a it's a comfort. It's easy. I don't cut it.
I barely style it. Yeah, I watch it twice a week.
(43:55):
It's just part of my like being. And so I
think wearing it up would almost feel like I was
walking into a ballroom with no clothes on. Yeah, and
so I have to sort of work through that, I
think at some point. Yep, So I think the last
picture I saw of me up with my hair up
was pregnant, like the golden globes.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
You had, like a was it like a high pony? Like?
Speaker 2 (44:21):
People will post it when we post this episode.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, we're going to get We're going to give the
people what they want, dark hair and pulled back. Yeah,
I'll pull some photos so funny. Rachel's not a fan
of half up, half down.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I will know. I it's very sixth grade to me.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Oh got it, got it. One other question, we got
quite a lot. My hair is very very dry, and
I'm wondering what kind of leave in treatments you like
to use.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
There are so many good ones. I will say. What
I am completely obsessed with right now is K eighteen.
A eighteen is basically it's a product that came out
within the last like two to three years. I want
to say, but now they've expanded the line and it
(45:12):
starts with a leaven treatment mask that you put on
and you literally don't rinse it out, but it's literally
like it's like a bio cellular scientific thing that like
it's very very healing for your hair, and it's it
really is effective. It's called K eighteen and I love it.
(45:34):
There are some Oliplex products that I have found to
be very effective as well, but K eighteen is definitely
what I've been really using religiously over the last like
since the summer I started using it.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
That's great. And since we talked about clean beauty just
in skincare and make up, what are your favorite clean
beauty hair products for kai?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I really am all amazing too.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
It smells amazing, and I also, like, you know, I've
known Frederick Fakai for many, many years, and when he
launched his clean Vegan line of hair products, he was
so passionate. He worked so long on it, and I
remember the first time I tried it, and I have
to say, like, I love all the shampoos and conditioners,
(46:27):
I love the leaven hair treatments. It is so so
good and it smells so good and it works. It
really really works. He's got lines for color. I really
really love it. I use it religiously. And what's great is,
like my kids use all of these products, so you know,
when it comes to hair and skin and body, like,
(46:49):
I love the fact that what's in my shower they
can use, like, you know, because they use my shower
a lot. So it's nice that I got to like, wait,
I got to get kid products.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Like I don't use that.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's been that's been amazing.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Okay, I love that. And we got a lot of
questions about the beauty products or the pharmacies in Paris.
So if you had to do a supermarket sweep, you've
got like a minute to grab products from like a
French beauty supply or pharmacy. What are you grabbing?
Speaker 2 (47:26):
God? Oh my god, there's so many good ones. Claudaalis
uh huh, rock Roc yep, been around forever, my mom's
favorite lip bomb. She makes me bring ten of them
back every time I go. Now you can get them here,
Claude Depot anything yep, and every amazing products. Yeah, there's
(47:49):
probably so many. I'm not thinking of I just French pharmacy.
I mean in just hours. I stand there, I know hours.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
It's like a wonderland.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
It is if French pharmacies are a wonderland. There is
a new product. I actually posted it on my social
over the weekend. It's this incredible solve. It's called like
bo bo you and J like eut. It's like Boget
or something. Anyway. It comes in a little pot okay,
(48:19):
and it's like almost it's a solid, but you can
make it almost a little more liquidy and it's literally
works like a French totally clean Egyptian magic. It's a
solve love that your lips, your face, your elbows, anywhere
that needs hydration. And I love it and it's French
and it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
I need everything French we like. Yes, well, thank you
so much Rachel for answering all of these beauty questions.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Guys, stay out of the song.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yes we're are your SPF guys.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
But I but here's what I'll say, enjoy your life.
I like a little real sun, just with some block let,
raisin let the vitamin D N.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, yep, all right, protect your skain. We'll talk to
you guys soon.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
All right, guys, that was so much fun. I could
talk about beauty for days and days and days. So
if you like this beauty talk, let us know because
I'll just keep doing them because there's never things that
we run out of talking about when it comes to beauty.
So thank you so much for asking all these amazing questions.
I promised to answer more on our next one. And
thank you always for listening to Climbing and Heels. Don't
(49:34):
forget to write or read you wherever you get to
your pods. I love reading them and while you're at it,
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