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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your brief stint at the University of Florida. They win
the national championship the year before you got there.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Correct, Yes, as I was enrolling, they were winning rison championship.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Sir, Tim Tebow is already there, you know, because Chris
Leak is the starter of Tim Tebow comes in.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
They got packaged for him.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
He's probably gonna be the start of the next year
unless you being camp and I know you, I know how.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You think I'm gonna beat I'm gonna go get this job.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But that's what That's not how I was recruited, though
I was recruited at the minimum.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
With your skill set, you will have a pack. You
have a package. Also, it's like t bo okay, and
that's what okay oither okay, y'all won the national championship.
A lot of these guys coming back.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I could do that, you know what I'm saying, Like
I'm looking at the you know what I'm saying myself,
like that's me.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I could do that. This is me at the to
get my feet.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Wet in the SEC as a freshman.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Folk plays a game just to run.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Then I could do that.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The fuck let's play linebacker.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Early on in my wreck ball, and then I transitioned
into running back. Then that transition into I could throw
the furtherest, so now you can play quarterbacks. So these
things is a part of my whole thing that embodied
who I was.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
As a player.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So you get there and it's not shaping up kind
of how they what they had told you or the
way you envision it, because all of a sudden you're
not getting these four to five plays a game.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And so did you have a conversation with Urban Urban
was he didn't want to talk to me. I wasn't
important enough for Urban to talk to me. And granted,
you gotta think about it like this, do you even
have a voice to talk when the person you're trying
to talk about is the Heisman front runner?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Had a conversation with my father to say, like Pop,
time to kind of rethink this thing, because I would
not have worn it a backup to me to have
the energy to say I only.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Can play if he get hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm not that type of person, right right, You don't
want to put that negative in there yet.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I was I'm an ultimate pro, I'm an ultimate teammate.
Like I wanted people to succeed. You see what I'm saying,
Like I didn't want Tbo.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
To get hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
He's the greatest college football player to some people. You
know what I'm saying, and it's subjective. If not number one,
he top five, and Tim Tebow is old a large
portion of who Cam Newton really is.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Because just like just the same way I gave you what.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Sparked my aggression or my competitive nature with Jimmy Causon,
it sparked the same thing with Tim Tebow. Being around
Aaron Hernandez, the Pouncy Twins, Chris Rainey, Joe Hayden, Carlos
done that major right, Percy Harvin, like Brandon James, Brandon Spikes,
these Louis Murphy, all these.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Great players that I was around.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I would have been a fool not to take what
they were doing and what made them great and applied
to my journey in JUCO as well as over.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Right, So some things transpired.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You getting get into a little trouble with a computer
and you end up But.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That wasn't the reason why I left.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The reason why I left, Like, did I get in trouble, Yes,
that was already tooken care of prior.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
To me leaving. Oh okay, okay, yeah I didn't get
kicked out of them. But see that's but see that's
how they framed the story.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, I didn't get kicked out of Florida. I left Florida.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And when Tebow announced that, oh and by the way,
I'm coming.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Back yet, I gotta leave nowing I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Playing when you was here, so and and then, for
urban's sake, you couldn't even identify who the backup was
between me and John Bray.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'm like, bro, what the what are we going on?
We're fighting for scraps. Y'all can have this cool. If
it was up to me, what did I want to leave? Hell? Noah,
because the was my of my brothers.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Like, we build real relationships over that two year span
that I was there. We worked out together, we trained together,
we bled together, we cried together, we sweated together, we
we prepared together. And I'm seeing guys like Joe Hayden
play Early as a freshman. I said, damn, bro, I
would love to have an opportunity to play Marquise Pouncy
playing early man. I would have loved to air Hernandez
(04:36):
playing Earth. I would have loved to be out there
and those things when they're like bro, Like we would
go back to the dorms and have these conversations like bro,
that ship was lit like bro, Like you see all
those people in there them?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I said, the damn I wish I saw them, But
that wasn't it wasn't it wasn't you for me?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know, the main everything, all the reasons why I
went to Florida was accomplished other than me playing, and
that's why I had to leave. And at that time,
they had to transfer portal, so I had to get
it out the mud. Urban Mayer had to sign off
to where I transferred to.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He gave certain restrictions. You cannot transfer.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
To in state in state school, so f A U
F I U Florida State. I couldn't go to none
of them. And I couldn't go anywhere. So I said,
how do I clear all that so I can go anywhere?
I gotta go Juco? I said, shit, I'm going Juco.
And on top of that, what really ticked me the
(05:36):
fuck off was when my father had called Urban to
ask for a championship ring. He didn't give me a
championship ring. So that really was my driving force to
becoming the player who I was. I said, don't worry
about it. I'm gonna go get my own. Got one
a Juco got one at Auburn.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You could make the case given the talent that you
had at Auburn on the offensive side, cam you had
the greatest offensive season for a quarterback and in NCAA history. Now,
I know Joe Burrow threw for sixty touchdowns and five
thousand yards, but he.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Had justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
He had Jamar Chase, he had Clyde Edwards Hilaire, he
had the I forget the guy's name, he tight end
lost it tight end, and he had the if I'm
not mistaken, another wide receiver, the third wide receiver is
in Carolina. Now, So what you had, look at the
look at what you didn't have and what you were
able to accomplish. So basically, Jimmy Close, a little fire
(06:42):
up under you, Tim Tebow, little fire up under you
in Urban, little fire up under you. Not only by
not playing you the four or five snaps that he
said he would give you, but also when you asked
for a championship ring for being on the team that
you felt you were entitled to, Like Nah we're good.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, that's what made that what they call it, That's
what created the monster, right, And if I could paint
it the way I wanted to paint it. While I
was at Auburn, there was an opportunity for Auburn to
play Florida.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
In the SEC channel. That's what you wanted. That what
you want to camp.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
No racial slur, but boy, they would have seen a
bat boon, not that motherfucker. I would have showed my
whole ass. Boy, that's what I wanted. I wanted to
prove to them that they fucked that they made a mistake.
I knew that was my point to prove I was
better than Tibo. That was my opportunity to prove that
(07:39):
y'all fucked up. That was my opportunity to prove that
this could have been y'all. But you played me. And
there was times where I would be the first person
to tell you. While I was at the University of Florida,
I was not the maturest person that I needed to
be to lead that team, and I would take responsibility
for that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But who I grew to be. Nobody was fucking with me.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But by the time you came back, that was the
mature Cam Newton.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I needed to I needed alienation in juco. I was
in Brenham, Texas. And if I were to give you
the amount of money that you got from Cat Williams
to put up on the line to say where's Brenham, Texas,
you couldn't coin it out. And everybody who was in
Brenham on that team, they had some roots or ties
(08:30):
to Texas. So there was many weekends. There was many
times where the closest family member was thousands of miles away.
Only thing I could do was workout. I cried. I mean,
I was vulnerable. I was embarrassed. But that shaped the
creation of who Cam was. People don't remember this. When
(08:54):
I was at the University of Florida, they called me
Camer Newton. Yeah, when I went to all it was
Cam Newton. So for me, that was the creation of Cam,
two completely different people. I knew how to compartmentalize those
different people, and I didn't let that situation use me.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I used it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And when I look at my impact to football, I
love to say people's favorite NFL player just started to
get good in the NFL. I've been good at football,
by the grace of God. I was good in high school.
I was good in college, I was good in junior college,
and I was good in the NFL. There's not a
(09:40):
lot of players that can say that. And it took
a measure of focus and discipline and also vulnerableness to understand.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Like Bro, like you, I here by yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So when I talked to my seven or seven kids,
and I talked to kids around you know the world,
and I tell him, like, bro, I know what it's
like to not have ship and you so close to
what you want, it ain't out of your reach. You
just gotta tap in and use this game of football
and and and not get jaded by the distractions, the money,
(10:17):
the n I E. L s, the the the woman,
all these different things.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Stay focused when you look at that roster you mentioned
Percy Harvey, Brandon Spikes, Joe Hayden, done lapt you North, Jenkin,
Mike and Maurice Pouncy. Uh person said he smoked smoked
weed before every game?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Did you know? Did you know? Yo? Did you guys
party that hard? Cam pay? It was untouchable in games field.
I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I was so disappointed in the in the documentary because
they left out so much, but they leave out ship Percy.
Go talk to person, Go talk to Charlie Strong. Shit,
go talk to Joe Hayden. See him, I'm saying, ask
them the real and they would have did that ship
for free funck all the Netflix deals and all that shit,
(11:06):
Like we need to tell you want to tell this
the real story.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Shit.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That was a very toxic locker room where they we
still had success, but damn it. It was a combination
of a lot of talent that was boiling over and
there was times where it was just unmanageable. And then
there was also times where it was a thing of
beauty where it was a competition every day, every practice,
(11:33):
like we competed. And even though Tim Tebow was a
person who I wanted to be better than, Tim Tebow made.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Everybody better because he competed. That energy that he had,
that screaming, that rid and.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That ah, that's something that I could connect with, and
he connected with everybody else, even a stadium.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
How did your parents come up with that name?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
So I got my grandmam daddy side name, not the
middle name, but she died before I was born, so
I never met her, but that's her name and you know,
my mama never really explained to me where Holly Lujah
came from. She says, I guess she was feeling blessed.
And I was an eight child, she said, eight is
a what kind of numbers?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Eight?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Eight, some type of number.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
And because all my sisters, my mom got ten kids,
all the boys, well okay, so the oldest three got
their young daddy, right, and then the rest of the
seven we got the same daddy's and so all my dad.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, my mama got ten kids.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I mean, please tell me, like one of them
like fifty and the other like they k be dorstep.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
It's like that.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
You go from my youngest brother is twenty one and
my oldest brother is thirty eight. Yeah yeah, but all
they all my brothers, like they got the same middle name,
and all my sisters got the same middle name. Like
all my brothers got my dad in the middle name,
which is Carlmichael. All my susan's middle name in the cold.
I'm the only one who middle name is Toley Lewis.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well you you different, you special heart. So you're that
cholder one, you was that chosen one.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, So what was it like growing up in a
household with ten brothers and sisters.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
We used to be jacking, yap, you know, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah, yeah, we used to be jacking.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
That's what a lot of people in one hair is
gonna do.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Though, no, not necessarily close to let you talk about that,
like that'st only god. I got a brother and my
sister's three of us.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Imagine it was a lot of us.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
So we used to get on each other, nerve right,
and peak on each other and fight.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Well, we love each other at the end of the
day though.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, ten brothers and sisters. So what was a typical
day like for you? Because I, okay, you homeschool until
you what the fifth grade, right, and then one of
I guess one of the older sisters called CPS, and
then CPS intervened and your mom had to enroll you
guys in traditional school.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah. So the sister is right on top of me.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
She was like it was always a problem child, yeah,
in every child group.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
And so yeah, we used to get whoopings, like like
every child get woopings. But my sister didn't like.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Get whooping, so she used to call uh DCS on
my mama and she was like, they beat my mom
used to beat on us and then we want learning
nothing in home school and all this stuff, and so
my mama had to put us in school after that.
So like they it was like she was forced because
she didn't want us. I think like my mama didn't
want us to know, like like my MoMA is super sanctified,
(14:38):
and she always says certain stuff is up the world.
She used to say she didn't want us to be
of the world, like she didn't want to expose us
to all the outside world. And so she only place
we went was home in church. We didn't go nowhere.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And so yeah, by the time I got in school,
I was ten, I was in fifth grade.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
You was glad to go to school.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I was happy to go to school because we stayed
seven houses from the school, and so every day after school,
we seeing the kids come.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Down, Oh many.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
School and yeah, looking like they got friends, like they
having fun. And I used to like every time at
two fifteen, I used to look out the window if
the kids walking home from school, and they just used
to be so happy having fun. So I used to
want to go to school so bad. I was so
happy when we finally had to go to school.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Like, so what was the relationship like your relationship like
with your mother.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You said ten kids, it's hard. It's hard to divvy
up attention and affection for ten kids. Now that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
It's just like, so I'm the third youngest, so I'm
number eight out of ten kids. Yeah, but I never
would treat it like I was a young child. Like
once my oldest sister was grown and left the house,
my mama had me like the child that was next
to her, Like I used to have to put all
my mam and receiasts together so keep up with her money.
I used to have to remember all her passwords to
(15:56):
her stuff. So I never would treat it like mama
but never handicapped me like she never. I never was
in a group with the young kids, so like she
always had me by her, so like I was always
more advanced than everybody, right, because she always had me
like herstant of.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Right, help me understand your mom was like pagan's pagan.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Like there's two forms.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
There's one that doesn't believe in religions, like they don't
go to church, they don't go to mosque, they don't
go to synagods. And then there's one that believed that
there are there are many gods?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
No, mom ain't one of them. My mom is just believe.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
In God, and she believed in God, and she.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Don't believe in holidays, like she don't believe in Christmas.
She don't believe in Halloween, like we didn't celebrate a
lot of holidays coming up?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Well, does she believe like nature? Like isn't what it's like?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Like polytheism which is many. So I'm trying to get
a sense of like your mom, if you didn't go
to you didn't go to church, You didn't go to
senate goods.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
You went to church. Yeah, so you grew up in
the church.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I grew up in the church.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I'm confused what you.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Conferged to back?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Oh there's that, there's that?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Are you.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
There? There's that? You Okay, so you grew up in
the church. That's a lot of people to haul the church.
Y'all have a bus, but y'all have a little mini bus.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
My daddy, Uh I remember this white man. My dad
always haid that we had to ride because it was
ten of us. And then when the oldest three got grown,
we used to be in this like uh, kids, sodonna.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
That's still a lot of people. That's note, that's nine people.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Like we was also little like we all little like me. Yeah,
all my daddy kids little like these. So we used
to like shirt seats with each other. So we all
matter of fact, my dad had Afford Mercury, and all
seven of us used to fit in one back seat.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
My mom was in the front seat and my dad
was in the seven seven kids we.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Used to all ain't got that much.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I was a Ford Mercury. I never it's a great
four mercury. My dady he had got and we all seven
of us used to be in their back seat.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Grew up in the church, did you were you in
the choir? So you grew up in the church.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And I read that Kurt Franklin and Donnie McClerkin and
some of those were like your favorite that's what you
guys listened to, right, Yeah, So growing up in the
church singing in the choir, did being a gospel singer
ever across your mind?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
That's what I thought I was gonna be.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Well, my mama used to make me feel like I
was gonna be a big gospel singer because when we
were young, I used to sing in the choir and
then like My mama was a CNA, and so like
she was always working. She always worked in nursing homes
my whole life, and so she used to have us
like every it'll be once a week, we would have
to go to the nursing homes and sing to the
older people. And I used to get all the solos
(18:41):
because I really could sing. And yeah, I used to
think I was gonna be a gospel singer. And then
I couldn't sing no more out of nowhere were I
don't know. I think it was because I started smoking weed,
but I don't know. I probably just never could sing,
and I grew up and realized it. I don't know
what it was back in the day, I sing and
I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Okay, tell me this.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
When the church three times a week and you're a
member of the worship team, what's the what's the worship team?
I understand, like a dance team or you know, So,
what's the worship team in church?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I said worship team?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Before?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, so what was your what was your role other
than in the choir?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
What was what was your role.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
In church?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah? Well you an usher?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Now, my mama was a usher. I ain't do nothing,
but I was on the dance team in church. You
got dance saturgical, it was called ofturgical. It's chinaturgical dancing
in church. You know when the girls had on the
long white dresses, they be covid all the way up
and they just be doing a little dancing.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I used to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, before I had left. I was.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
That's always been in church though, No, not like that,
not like that. But yeah, it's like gospel. It's like
it's called liturgical dancing.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You said your mom didn't believe it, like Christmas and
and and Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
We did Thanksgiving, you did this, Okay, So no Christmas.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
No Christmas, no Easter, no no Valentine, no Valentine, Halloween,
no Halloween, Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean she never cared about the holiday, Like is
that it holiday? A better really be carrying about.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
They'd be getting told.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Up because they be pinching you. We don't got on grade.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, not that it's a big Irish holiday.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like it's not. None of
you just celebrate, Like how Christmas and Thanksgiving is?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So how were you when you got your first gift
because if you didn't celebrate, what about birthdays?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Oh, your birthdays?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So you got gifts for birthdays.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
It was really basically it was Christmas and Easter because
my mama said that those are pagan holidays. So she
was like, Christmas is it's somewhere in the babble, like
my mama know the Bible from the top to the
bott it's somewhere in there where. Christmas, like Jesus, I'm
born on December twenty field is made up and it's
the people just made up to talk about Jesus and
(20:57):
Resurrection Day, just not the day he got rolls on
in real life. But it's just some those holidays are
man made, okay, and it's some it's against the battle
against it somehow somewhere it's pegging holidays.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, so we're here to celebrate thing.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So help me understanding this. How did your mom dad
feed ten kids? They gotta have some good jobs because
you know kids eat a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, we used to get food stamps. You know the
food Sam's good. You got ten kids?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, so they didn't have did they have the car?
Did y'all have the books? Sixty five? Dollars books, you know,
they had books backing.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
By the time I knew what food stamps was, we
was using the car. But before then, like it's something
called the Commodity that has That was in Memphis, I
don't know, I think it was in North Memphis something
like that. It was a commodity of the house though,
And they used to go there and get like these
blocks of cheese.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were they make the best saying.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
What you do they make rice and cheese with the junts,
but you you had to get up.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
On that failure, yeah, and it break up. It never
came off yead exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
So they used to get like that.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And I just remember always going to the Commodity has
like a similar right, stuff like that, like all the
broceers we got from there. And I really don't know
because I stayed in the same hassroom when I was
born until I was fifteen years old.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I stayed in the same house.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
How many people slept in the bed? How many sisters
do how many people slept in the bed?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
All four wards slept?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Okay, I never had a real bed in my whole
life until Okay, so from when I was born, I
was fifteen, I had never slept in a real bed
like we. I thought everybody slept on air missiges. I
never knew people had real beds. So like when growing up,
it was a lot of us.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
The girls had one room.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
The boys had one room where my two oldest brothers
they used to sleep in like the attic upstairs. Damn,
so they had their own room. It want the attict.
It was like a room across from the attict. Yeah,
but and so the boys had one room and the
girls had one room, and we all slept on one
queen size air mattress, and y'all.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Was like that my whole life. And I never knew
Like I used to think.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
My mama was being mean to us because she used
to let people come over our hats and stuff, because
you know, I grew up we.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Had reds and roasters, and and.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
I'd used to be like when I used to go
to school and the kids be talking about, yeah, we're
gonna go for what's name house or its name house,
I used to be like, damgn, can't nobody to.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Come over my hasse? But I just thought my mom
was being mean whole time.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I would have been embarrassed because they would have been like,
you don't got no bad sleep on air mattress.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Your back should be messed up sleeping on the floor.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yeah, And we used to sleep on flothes too, like
because you know, one little thing can put a hole
in the airth mattress. And like my daddy used to
always go get the patches for the air mattress and
you glue it on her and patch the hold up
on the earth mattress. And until they got the money
to go get buy the passages, we'll sleep on the
floor until the air mattress got back patched up. And
when I turned fifteen, I moved to my daddy and
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my dad was staying in the hotel and that was
the first bed I it was still be.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
In my whole life.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
So was your mom strict?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
My mom, she was super strict. Like we used to
have to sneak out the halt because she ain't let us.
She my mama, she didn't want us exposed to the world, right,
But when we got into school, we was automatically exposed
to the world.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Like we were around all these.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Other Yeah they're doing sneakish yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
And so as kids, you want to do what other
kids doing right, Yeah, we'd sneak out the past.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's either sneak out cause you got ten it's hard
to keep out on all ten of them.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Well, by the time I saw a sneaking out the past,
the oldest street was gone.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Okay, so that's still saying that's a lot to keep out.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
And so yeah, we used to be like sneaking out
and my mom used to go to work overnight, like
living and seven.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Right, Yeah, so you went.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You grew up in the church, So when did you, like,
did you ever was there ever time that you.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Like, do you still go to church?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I don't go to church now, So how were you
when you kind of like stopped going? I mean, because
I read that you went like three four times a
week and then probably went down to like one to
two times a week and then probably no times a week.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
You'll probably like when I turned like thirteen, I had
we had stopped going to church.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It was a wee or you the whole If.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
My mom went to church, I was going to church.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Okay. Why she stopped, I.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Don't know, I guess because we used to change church
churches a lot, and so I don't know. I guess
she wanted with the church. No more, right, but she
will still how Bapster it was us at home?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Well, yeah, we had stopped. I stopped going to church
in like twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Michael's son, Marcus.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Was I don't know if he currently still is dating
Scotty's ex wife.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
How would you feel if a teammate of yours dated
your daughter? Would you feel some type of way?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Hell yeah, hell yeah. I that is a really I
feel bad for Michael. I feel bad for Scotty. Yes,
that is so messy. I don't like messy because when
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it's messy, everybody has an opinion on it. Everybody has
an opinion. And you know, the internet is not a
place for messy. No, And you have to understand it's
a lot of kids involved, yes, and people are mean.
People are mean, and it's unfortunate. You know. I just
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got onto social media because I didn't want to be
around the meanness. And I feel bad for everybody involved
because I see all the pictures. I don't do the
comment stuff, but I know they're gonna be mean, right,
But it's just I just hate messy, and it's just
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really messy and they're no winners. There's only losers, because
obviously Michael and Scotti's relationship can't ever be the same.
Did you know was it the last dance when Michael
put that that because he wasn't there at the time
when Scotty refused to go in the game and he
(26:51):
inserted that until the last dance? Did you always know
that Scotty and Michael had.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
This kind of contingious relationship because from the outside it
like it looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, I was surprised it was so bad. I was surprised.
But in Farid, I don't spend a ton of time
with those guys together. I spent a lot more time
with Michael, a lot more time with Michael. Uh. You know,
it's just a sad situation because I think if you
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not that I know, but you know, if you win
a championship with guys, y'all probably have a special bond
for yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if you win six,
y'all might as well. Y'all should be brotherly like. So,
like I say, you know, if you win one championship,
I'm pretty sure every time y'all get together, because you
(27:42):
got that, you're gonna have the reunion. Yes, every every five,
five year, ten year, fifteen, twenty three. Yeah, but if
you win six together, y'all should be damn near blood beasts.
So that's the thing I most feel bad. There's guys
I didn't win with. They some of my best friends.
Every time I see them, it's like, man, I got
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another brother, and like we bumping each other at all
the Star Games, maybe the Hall of Fame ceremony, or
we just bumping each other. It's like a family reunion.
But if I had won six championship with somebody, I
would think, Man, we blood brothers for life.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
When people that do what we do take shots at you,
I mean you had to look funny back and forth.
You and Shake had the funny back and forth. You
put Kendrick person Perkins's face on the punching back and
you you punch it and you get in this shape.
I mean, how do you how do you handle that?
When when guys that do what we do take shots
at you. Yeah, it doesn't bother me because because I
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guess technically we take shots at players.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Right. The only problem that I had what Kendrick says,
there's nobody in the world watch more basketball than me.
I tell you, like and I just come out of
Mark Magic was pissed me off even more because I
was watching two or three college basketball games a day.
March Maddison really sucks because I'm watching games all day long.
(29:09):
But to say another guys don't watch the games because
he has a different opinion than you. Yeah, yeah, And
so that's the only thing bothered me. I could say,
I say, there's nobody in the world watch more basketball
than me. So but I don't get mad. And the
thing is really funny about it. Shack is so sensitive
at times because I was gonna like let it go,
(29:34):
and he's like, no, no, no. My mama told me
growing up, we kill all roaches, and I said, like,
so that's how the whole roast thing came up, and
so any time anything happened right now, Shaq's like, we're
killing roaches. And Shack is so crazy. He made a
rap this song. Yeah, but I don't take it like
(29:57):
I really the only person I've taken shot. I said, honestly,
it's Skipp Bayless, because man, what we do is such
an honor. I don't think you can say stuff just
to say it, because my whole going back then, I says, hey, man,
(30:17):
there's somebody in Montana, Maine, South Dakota if I said
something bad about these guys, They're like, well, I saw
it on television. It's gotta be true, right. So I'm
be like, man, I'm not gonna say anything about a player,
especially if it's personal. There's somebody in Montana or South
(30:38):
Dakota gonna say, well, you know, Charles Barker said this
guy was blah blah blah. So I'm never gonna use
my platform for negativity. I'm gonna get you out on
him this one.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You once said that you've probably lost about twenty million
in gambling. Have you quenched that urge to gamble or
do you still like the gamble?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I love to life a gamble, you know. I got.
I got to the point so I would go to
Vegas and I'd win a million dollars. Damn me? Want
you playing ahead? I played twenty five thousand and a half. Okay, yeah,
(31:20):
A couple of quick double dollars you can get them,
and quick double doll you can get. Get it up
out of your pockets. I never know. I don't want
no check, I don't want you to wire. I want cash.
And there's probably been seven times I want a million dollars. Okay,
(31:42):
there's probably been twenty five times I've lost a million, right.
Uh So what happened was I quit gambling for two
years and I always take the same group of guys
from me, and I said, man, I miss gambling. Why
doon't you start gambling again? I said, well, man, I
was getting out of hand. They're like, yo, man, you're gambling.
(32:06):
Ain't getting out of hand. You're just an idiot. And
the one thing I pride myself on around my friends,
they can always be honest with me. I said, why
do you say I'm an idiot? They're like, yo, man,
we'll be sitting there, You'll be up three four hundred
thousand dollars. We're like, Chuck, let's go. You're good for tonight, right,
And in my head I'm saying, no, we're not leaving
(32:27):
this month. I wear a million dollars, right, And they said, dude,
there's times you've been up six seven hundred thousand dollars
and you won't quit because gamble's really just peaks in Vallas.
It is. It's just peaks in Vallas. It's a stock market. Yes,
that's all it is. And They're like, dude, why can't
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you win three hundred thousand dollars and say, man, we
had a great weekend. Why you gotta win a million?
And I said what they says, why can't you lose
three hundred and say we still had a great weekend?
And I says, are you serious right now? He said, Man,
you know I ain't gonna lie to you. Let's win
a couple hundred thousand, have a great weekend, go home
(33:13):
or lose two or three hundred. You ain't got to
win a million, or you ain't got to chase it
and lose a million. And so the answer your question,
I said, Yo, man, we're going to Vegas for the weekend.
We're gonna lose a couple hundred thousand, or we're gonna
win a couple hundred thousand. You know what we're gonna do.
We're gonna play golf every day and get drunk every night.
And I had to change my mentality because you can
(33:36):
never break the casino. No, no, no, they can break here
with yes. And my friends just set me down and say, yo, man,
let's just go have fun for the weekend. Let's win
some money or lose a little lose a little bit.
But yeah, but that's what really happened. Like I say,
I got such elation, but then when I would lose
(33:57):
a million, I was so depressed. Not that the money
just yeah that's bush. Yeah, because of the money, but
the losing.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But but the winning never feels as good as the
losing hurt.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yes, you you were so excited when you got all
that money laying in front of you, but you're like
the pressed for a week. You're like, damn, I lost.
I lost a million dollars. And then you have to
send the bill till you financial people and they yell
at you, and you are yelling and yelling and yelling,
(34:31):
and then I says, hey, y'all better quit yell at me.
I'm a fire y'all. And then they're like, okay, we'll
pay it. But that's what really happened. I was getting
out of hand because, like you just had, your point
was so good. No matter how good it feels, winning,
when you lose, it just sucks.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
I remember my really good friend, my really like my
age boncoon. She she used to hear me tell stories
and she would be like and she revealed this later,
she was like, you know, I would say to myself,
she must be leaving something out. There's no way this
could have happened this way, she must be leaving something out.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Until I got kicked out that Emmy's party?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
What'd you do to get kick got the Hemmy's party? Damn,
we can't take you nowhere?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
What do you do?
Speaker 7 (35:21):
I go to a lot of places because I'm lovable
and people like me and I'm delightful.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
I am delightful.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
What did you do?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I arrived?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Okay, you arrived, Okay, you're inside.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
No, So here's how it went.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
So, because Hollywood is just so inundated with whiteness, there
was this conglomeration of folks that came together to say,
you know what, We're gonna have a black Amy's party.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Cause you know, have you been to the Amy's parties.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I've never been to Amies.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
So like they're just you know, they're just very blah like.
It's just a bunch of people sitting around like, am
I right?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Am I? Right?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Oh my god, here's sin. You're sin? You're sin? Like
that's the vibe. Yeah, but you know when we party,
we want to have a little bit more onto it,
you know, called nice but up Derek.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
So the in twenty eighteen was the first one where
they had a black and thesee party. So basically it's
like everybody, who'd i'e been to all the mother parties
in this one?
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Yes, And I went to that party with Jill Scott.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
And one of the people that planned that party was
Esa Ray's publicist, Vanessa Anderson, So she was one of
the planners of the party. But there's a bunch of
people involved in planning this party, correct. So I show
up with Jill and Jill's manager was like, hey, you know,
can we And I remember hearing Vanessa go like, oh, come.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
On on, Amanda, mind you.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing wrong right here,
Like I'm just standing with Jill Scott. But nonetheless, we
came in the party, we had a great time. So
but and I said to Issa, like, I don't know
what's going on with your publicist, but like she she
got something wrong, she got a problem with me. And
she was like, that's between y'all, Okay. I said, well,
it's not really between y'all because I don't have a
problem with her, but she seems to have a problem
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with me.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
And she was like, that's none of my business.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Okay, Okay, So now next year is twenty nineteen, and
it was interesting because in twenty eighteen it was packed
like a dick in front of that place.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
In twenty nineteen, there was like nobody there.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
But I was at the HBO party, and every black
person I saw, I would tell them, make sure you
go to the Black and the party because I am
about creating community and I want us.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
To be together, right.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
So I pull up with my homegirl Kathia and Kendrick
Sampson who's on Insecure, you know the show where I
don't have any friends. So I pull up with Kendrick Sampson.
So we get to the door and I learned later
that she just is white passing. But this is a
Mexican girl, but like she looked like a white girl.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Okay. So she at the door for the for the amys.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
What kind of party as the black party?
Speaker 6 (37:53):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
So she tells us you can go in, you can
go and you can't go in. Now I think she's talking,
said my friend, because my friend is a realtor, right,
And she says, no, you can't go in, and so
why can't I go in? She says, you're just on
the list to not be able to go in. Now,
I had also been invited to this party directly by
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Jesse Williams. Right, so, Jesse Williams said, texted me and said,
please come to the Black Emmy's party, right, Okay. So
I'm like, all right, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna come
to the Black Amy's party. Yeah, of course, like that's
what I am about. So I come to the party
and I'm like, okay, uh, why am I not being
(38:38):
let in?
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Hm?
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Kendrick says, I'm gonna go. Look, I'm gonna go look
around and see why you're not being let in. Well, baby,
I'm not standing outside no party, right, So I head out,
But then I'm stopped by just by this brother, Joey Harris,
who works with Janet Jackson.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Joey's like and Joey's like.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
One of these people who's just always he's his disposition
is just always like glowing. It's kind of like Jordan.
So he's like, where are you going. I'm like, oh,
they said they won't let me in the party.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
He's like, absolutely not. Come on, bat, We're gonna get
you in this party.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Loie so we come back and so this is an
example of someone trying to protect and look out right.
So he brings me back and he's like, why are
you not letting her in the party? By the way,
at this time, I'm hosting Bring the Funny on MBC.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
There is a billboard the size of a hotel two.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Blocks away with me and my co stars on the show,
Chrissy Teagan, Jeff Foxworthy and Keenan Thompson and can I.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
Just put it a pin in this really quick to
get them their props.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
I had a real hard time on Insecure, and I'll
get to that, but being on this show was so
affirming because everyone there was so just happy to be happy,
and I hadn't experienced that on that set, like from
the showrunner to the writers, to my stage manager Roger,
(40:04):
to my co stars, Like I just got to be
myself and it really let me know it's not you,
it's the environment. And I don't get to talk enough
about like the positive shit because people are always so
attracted to the negative. But I remember day one, Christy Tigan,
we had to do rehearsals for the first day and
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they had me in these stilettos shinning. Oh my God,
like I would have had to doing the work for Yes,
the feet were crying and it was I had an
injury from these fucking stilettos. And the next day Christy
Taguan brought a foot massage from sharper Image and left
it in my dressing room for the duration of the shoot.
Like that's the kind of people, you know, just generous
for no reasons, right, And we just had a blast.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
We had such a good time.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
And I remember Jeff Foxworthy one time they wanted us
to do this ad where we had to pass around
a drink and I don't drink, so it's like, I
don't mind drinks being around, but like me pretending like
I drink ate my jib. So I was like, I
just don't feel comfortable doing this. Now it becomes a thing.
This is how I get labeled difficult because I didn't
get we didn't get any prep for this.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
But you need to go along with whatever they give you.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Didn't you know that whatever they give you you're supposed
to do well. When you're a woman, it's even more
sh quick stirring up trouble.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
So Jeff Foxworthy saw shit going left.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
And he stepped in and he said, yeah, I don't
feel comfortable with it either.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
He used his fame, his white manness, you know, he
used his disposition to just take the.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Heat off of me. He said, I got you.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
To this day.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
I really want to do a show with Jeff fox
Worth that we were just like fish and talk shit like.
Speaker 6 (41:46):
That's a goal I want to do if you want
to produce.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
I've been present while someone is fishing, but I have
not been given my rule.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
So you hadn't had a rod or a pole in
your hand, but I have.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
I have dated men from the South. I have been
present and Crappy cooked for me.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yes, okay, so yes, So I think you'd be more
of a shore fisherman, you know, on.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
The land, can't be in the boat. Yeah. Yeah, but
I'm saying, we go, we go, Yeah, we go, baby step.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
It's harder in the boat than on the land.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah. Probably.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
So really, Now, I thought there were more fish in
the center.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
They're more fish, yeah, but when they go way out there,
they're they're normally fishing for a particular type of fish.
Like when you're on when you're on the shore, you
fish with anything to bite, catfish, crapy, you know, perch, bass,
but normally when you go out you fish for you know,
maybe you're trying to catch tuna, your branzino, something like that.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Snapper.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yes, okay, you know about fish, you just never actually
had a rod in your hand, like brought it off.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
So I am I hyperfixate. So I know a lot
about a lot of things because I become immersed. Yes,
so like I'm a scuba diver, so I know a
lot about fish. And then at one point it was like,
I'm gonna learn everything I know about dogs, and now
I'm gonna learn everything I need to know about Game
of thronts.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
I'm gonna learn everything I need to.
Speaker 7 (43:11):
Know about you know, c doable football, Like I mean, like,
but I do know a lot about fish.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, So you say no.
Speaker 7 (43:20):
Because I'm I'm I'm in the middle of a story
and sometimes I beer off, but I always come back because.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I want to make sure we get to your absecure role.
Speaker 7 (43:27):
So I just wanted to shout that out because I
bring the funny was a beautiful experience and it was
super super super duper super duper dope. So when we're
here and Joey Harris is trying to get me in
this party. The white girl says again, Well, the white
passing girl says again, yeah, no, she can't come to the party.
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So Joey's like, think on one side and figure out
what's going on. Again, I'm not about to stand out here.
So I started to walk away again, and now Elijah
Kelly comes out.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
He's like, hey, hey, Hey, where are you going. I said,
they're not trying to let me in this.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Party that I was invited to by Jesse Williams.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
You attempt to call Jesse.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
I attempt to call Jesse.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
I texted him, but he's in a party, you know,
so I texted him.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
So then Elijah is like, well, I'm one of.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
The planners of the party, so they can't stop you.
They can't stop me from bringing you in. So he
starts to bring me.
Speaker 6 (44:27):
In, and homegirl grabs my arm.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
But I remember when I told you I've been in
New Yorker since I was twelve.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Shake that off, lose me. Yeah, crazy. So we go
in the party and I go and sit down. No sorry,
I go in the party. I go by the bar.
Speaker 7 (44:43):
My homegirl goes to the bathroom. I'm standing by the
bar and a security guard approaches me. A security guard
your size approaches me and says, hey, I'm gonna have
to ask you to leave.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
And I said, well, why do I need to leave?
Speaker 7 (44:59):
And he said, because you're you're being asked to leave.
I said, well, who's asking me to leave? He said, well,
let me go find out.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Why.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
He had, well, I mean, you came and say they're
asking you to leave, and you don't know who's asking
me to leave.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
You got to go find out.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
He was given an order.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
So now he comes back and he says, Vanessa Anderson
is asking you to leave.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
I said, well, you need to find Vanessa and have
her come tell me herself.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Is that he's raise puplis? Yes?
Speaker 7 (45:30):
I said, well you need to have Vanessa come and
find me and tell me herself. So he then leaves
again and comes back with three other men, and one
of the men now is a brother, and he's walking
towards me cursing. So he's literally walking towards me, saying
you need to get the fuck out of here. You
need to leave, and I'm lying, mind you, I'm I'm
(45:51):
dressing down, honey, okay, And he's like, you need to
leave now, Cathia was in the bathroom. She's now just
come up and I'm looking around and I can see
people see.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
Right, So I'm like, why do I have to leave?
Speaker 7 (46:04):
Because we've said so so there's like violent energy and
language coming towards you. Right, I ain't no sucker, okay,
and but I'm also not stupid. I can't fight for men,
so like I mean, right, So I the first one
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who was kind, he had come up right here, but
then the other three were right here. So I have
to realize I've lost this fight. So I pivot to leave,
but I pivot really fast because I'm gonna still say
my mother's piece.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
So when I pivot and I.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
Say, I pivot to go, you, I guess they thought
I was about to do something. So the white guy
steps in between me and the two the and the
brother and chest bumps me and throws me back.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Right.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
So, now this is an assault because I hadn't raised
my hand to do anything to anybody.
Speaker 6 (47:02):
So luckily I'm nimbleing a heel.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
So I but now it's like, you know, now I've
been assaulted, so your natural response. So I'm about to
go super Saiyan on these mothers. Gokul over here. I'm
like ah, and I hear in one ear, I hear
the security guard saying, please, Amanda, don't do it, and
it feels like, plead, miss Cili, don't do it. Don't
be like me, miss Cili, don't be like Miss Sophia.
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And then in the other ear, I have my homegirl
who's from.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
The Bronx, like this is some bully and all I'm
hearing is.
Speaker 7 (47:36):
But I look around and I see nobody come into
my aid. All these agents and people that I see
around now.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
None of them are Insecure. None of them are the
actors from Insecure.
Speaker 7 (47:46):
But there's people whose faces I still remember, and they
will not get a hug in a party either.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
I just refuse somebody a hug the other day for this, and.
Speaker 7 (47:58):
I realized, like, you gotta go. So we walk outside
and the security guard says to me and I'm so sorry,
like I'm just doing my job, and I said, I
feel you, But you have to ask yourself is it
worth doing a job that makes you go against your
moral compass? He was liked, so I hope he left
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that job because he could tell that he was He
was mixed up in somebol So we're in a back
alley like waiting for a car, and I'm crying because
this feels like, you know, I've been humiliated and I
didn't do nothing. And that was the night that me
and my homegirl became super like that became my sister
because she was like, when you would tell me that
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she would happen to you, I would think she must
be keeping something out.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
But I literally just watched you do nothing.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
You literally just came somewhere, you were invited, and even
though you tried to leave, multiple people said no, you
belong here. Multiple people. Another person on this team said
you belong here. So I'm bringing you in here. And
then when I tell the story on my Instagram and
on my podcast, it ends up getting turned into this
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whole other thing of you don't belong here, Amanda Seals
doesn't belong here, And that's the thing that's a narrative
that has come about, like I don't perpetuate yes, I
don't belong in these places.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
And what ended up happening two days later is.
Speaker 7 (49:24):
That I got a call from Lisa and she called
me and said, hey, I heard what happened this weekend.
I just want you to know I have nothing to
do with it. Would you be willing to talk to Vanessa?
Speaker 3 (49:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I try to talk Vanessa at the party.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Shit two days too late.
Speaker 7 (49:45):
So I've never talked about this publicly because it has
always been incredibly important to me to protect Lisa, because
I know that Lisa is doing something within this business
that so few people get to do, and it's not
something I desire to do, Like I'm not interested in
getting one hundred million dollar production deal, Like that's not
a life that I want for myself. But I know
that her role is very important, and so I've always
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protected Lisa. However, there's just been enough instances at this
point where I should have been protected by Lisa and
I wasn't. And one of my biggest problems that we
have discussed several times in this interview is that I
think people are going to show up for me the
way I show up for them. And now it's at
a point where my protecting of Lisa has become turned
on to me and something that people are using against me.
Speaker 6 (50:30):
There's a whole narrative that is completely false that people
keep spinning.
Speaker 7 (50:34):
They keep saying, you know that I'm this mean girl
on this set that I harmed these people on this set.
I just want to point out something very basic. How
can I be a mean girl on a set that
ain't my set? How it's your show, you are my boss.
I don't even have the capacity to be the mean
girl here because you can fire me. So there's no
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way for me to be a mean girl in this situation.
And I know some people that may buck up against
like the confirmation bias that they've created, but it simply
is the truth.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
You know.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
When I got to that show, I had had a
show on Lisa's website on YouTube. I had my show
Get Your Life, and when it came out on her
instant on her YouTube, unfortunately, the press picked it up
as Lisa Ray's new show, right, But I'm but she hadn't.
Speaker 6 (51:24):
She didn't do anything except put.
Speaker 7 (51:25):
It on her site, Like I put all my money
into it, I wrote it, I started it, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
And so I said, hey, you know, would you mind
you know, tweeting to correct this, and she just wouldn't.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
She wouldn't promote any of the shows, you know, And
I just felt like that was unfortunate, But it didn't
make me. It didn't change my view of her character,
like it just let me know, like, okay, this how
she do business. But in that time, her publicist was
interacting with me and was from just day one just
so acerbic, like just vitrol it for no reason, to
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the point where Lisa's business manager had to say to
the public it's like, can you please try and be
kinder to Amanda? She's like a talent on our channel?
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Do you and you have no reason why she would
treat you behave.
Speaker 6 (52:15):
So Lisa says, would you talk to Vanessa?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
No?
Speaker 7 (52:20):
I said, sure, you know why? Why who's my boss?
Who's my boss in this situation?
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Well? The boss?
Speaker 6 (52:30):
And where do I have to go back to work?
So what's the game you talked about?
Speaker 3 (52:35):
You had to play the game.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
But hold on, But there was a situation earlier Amanda,
Well you said that ain't my business.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Y'all need to handle that. Now she wants you to
talk to her.
Speaker 6 (52:47):
You're good at math? You good at math, Sharpton Shannon shopping.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I'm I'm just saying because you like.
Speaker 6 (52:55):
You can't spell sharp and without shop.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
Now, so okay, you have so I take the call.
You should have said, I want to be fased up
face I want to look. I like the look a person.
Speaker 6 (53:07):
My feelings were hurt. My feelings were hurt.
Speaker 7 (53:12):
I just got assaulted in a party for black people
in Hollywood, and I've been in Hollywood longer than majority
of the people in this fucking party, right, my feelings
are hurt.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Okay, you take the call.
Speaker 7 (53:25):
Hello, Hi, Manda, this is Vanessa. I just want you
to know that. So none of this has anything to
do with Lisa. That's the first thing she says. None
of this has anything to do with Lisa. So I
just want you to know that. But I do want
you to understand that it was me who kicked you
out the party.
Speaker 6 (53:41):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (53:42):
So I just want you to know that the reason
I kicked you out the parties because I don't like you. Okay, Well,
that's all I need to know. There's nothing else for
us to talk about, and I hang up. She calls
me back immediately. Why did you hang up? I said,
because there's nothing else for us to talk about it,
she says, don't you want to know why I don't
like you?
Speaker 3 (54:00):
And not? Actually, actually I don't.
Speaker 7 (54:01):
No, I don't because it's none of my business. I've
never done anything to you, and for you to put
me in harm's way off of literally nothing means that
I don't need to talk to you about why you
don't like me. You need to talk to your therapist
about why you don't like me. And I hung up
the phone. She called back, No, she called around. She
starts a smear campaign.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Oh, so this whole time your boss and I don't
like I don't do the gossip thing. So have you
ever had a conversation with ASA about this situation about
her publicist?
Speaker 7 (54:35):
You're saying, since the situation at any point? Well, I
mean I had that one time where I said to you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
And she said, well that y'all need to work. That
ain't got none to do with me.
Speaker 7 (54:44):
So now, after this conversation with the publicist and I
get off the phone, I start getting word that she
is going around to the different publications and different people
because it starts coming back to me, and she's going
around saying that I was is in danger of getting
fired from Insecure, which I honestly I don't even know
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if that was true or not, but I had never
that had never been brought to my attention. She starts
going around saying that I got in a fight at
the party. She starts going around saying that I peed
on the floor at the party. I got to move
it to the side. Like what are we talking about?
So I feel like I'm gonna answer your question. So
(55:29):
Easa then calls me again and says, Hey, I just
want to know if this is going to be a
problem on set, because now this is going on for
two weeks and this.
Speaker 6 (55:41):
Going viral.
Speaker 7 (55:46):
In earlier in the conversation, you were like, why do
you care if people don't who don't know you, like
are saying mean things about you, And it's like I
wish I had that, And I'm at a point in
my life where.
Speaker 6 (55:57):
I'm there, but.
Speaker 7 (56:01):
It's really up when the pylon happens and it has
nothing to do with reality, Like I don't even mind
a pylon if it's something I really did. This situation,
I'm like, how am I the villain in this situation? Well,
you shouldn't have gone to her party because it was
her party.
Speaker 6 (56:19):
Well it's not just her party.
Speaker 7 (56:20):
There's several people at the parties, not like I crashed
her baby shower. But also I'm looking at Issa because
it's like this is your responsibility. We are both your employees,
and this is a part of leadership. This is the
important part of leadership. And it's that's what makes leadership
so annoying, is you're going to manage people. Yes, you do,
and personalities and it's it's a very difficult task, but
(56:41):
it is part for the course.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
Yes, but that's why you got the hundred million or
whatever you got, is to manage your employees.
Speaker 7 (56:49):
So I said, you know, listen, I am not saying
that it's going to be a problem on set, but
I do think it is a problem that you don't
feel that you need to step in. And she was like, well,
then we have a difference in opinion, Like I just
this is this is between y'all.
Speaker 6 (57:03):
This is between y'all.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Well, if it was between us, why'd you intervene and
say I need to connect that she wanted to call
I needed to talk to her if you felt it
was just between us, because you interjected yourself into that.
If it's between two people, I shouldn't have interference for
someone else to say we need to get together the
two people either she reaches out to me or I
reach out to her. I don't need you to intervene.
But you felt the need to intervene in that. But
(57:26):
now you don't feel an intervene to go any further,
the intervention to go any further.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
So I'm also promoting my book right, so this hits
me because now the press is canceling.
Speaker 6 (57:41):
So this is now affecting me professionally. And I didn't
do shit.
Speaker 7 (57:44):
Right, and I don't like you, in my opinion, is
not a sufficient reason to sick for security guards on
me and remove me from a black space, which also
begs the question what the fuck is a black space?
Because we like to claim that they're safe spaces, and
you know that they're for us, but at this point
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black spaces are literally it's just black faces, and that
even is you know, something to do with this pressure
that I've been going through, but to stay on course.
Speaker 6 (58:14):
So now we have to go back to shooting.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Mm hmm. Uncomfortable.
Speaker 7 (58:21):
I'm uncomfortable and I ain't any more sack, and nobody's
saying nothing to me. Everybody knows because at this time
it's just the women shooting. Everybody knows what's going on.
They don't say nothing to me, and that's just sing mean,
it's mean. They'll say nothing to me, and let me
tell you from the beginning, I've been trying with these
ladies because I want to make community everywhere I go.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
I didn't invited them to my house. They didn't come.
Speaker 7 (58:48):
I brought them gifts, they said thanks. I tried to
plan a retreat. They said, we don't want to go.
You know, I put I created our group chat for
the show. I created game nights for the show.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
Nobody to participated.
Speaker 7 (58:59):
I mean, but like reluctantly. But I'm trying to do this,
you know, because I think that this is It's like
when I walked in and I was like, I feel
like it's my role to make you feel comfortable. Like
I feel like that's my way of getting around this thing,
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this stigma that people like to put on me, that
they got shit to do with how I really exist.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
Okay, And.
Speaker 7 (59:29):
In this situation now I'm publicly now being like excoriated.
You got this earthworm gym looking Nigga Serunus out here
talking about, well, you don't. No one likes you, so
that's why you weren't invited. What's hilarious about that is
that we were only in two scenes together. So this
is not somebody that really knows me. But you know
what the other thing is, Shannon Sharpton. This is a
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brother who ended up having a child with someone on
the show, and when he had the child, there was
rumors that were going around that he was not claiming
the child, and so these people had started talking about it.
Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
But the people that are talking.
Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
About ami people, I'm not involved in it, but I
hear it because we do say and then he come
around and is, hey, I don't like it like that.
Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
I don't like like that.
Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
It's not honest. So even though that's not my boy,
I pull him to the side. I said, Pete, people
I hear are talking about you behind your back about
this situation, and I said, listen, this is a small business.
So at the end of the day, if you are
this child's father, I think you should explain it to
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the rooftops if you are not claimed. If you are
and you don't want to claim this child, I would
like for you to just consider rethinking that because as
somebody with a father that did not show up for me,
I really feel like she would really benefit from having
a father in her life. And he was like, well,
why ain't nobody coming to me? I said, I'm literally
coming to you right now, and you ain't even my peoples.
(01:01:07):
But I don't think it's fair that you're being talked
about behind your back by people that you think are
your peoples.
Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
He said, well, you know, thank you for that.
Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
That's the same nigga that fixed his mouth to jump
on the bandwagon if we hate Amanda, because it was
a bandwagon and he want to be seen. He thought
maybe he was going to He thought he was going
to get an extra right, he thought he was going
to get an extra scene or something.
Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
So now we're on set and I finally say that.
Speaker 7 (01:01:35):
He said, so, are you just not going to talk
about this because it's now going on for three weeks
and my mental health is suffering, okay, And.
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
I just what.
Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
I just it was a tough time. And she's like, well,
you know, like what do you want to talk about?
And I said, listen, like this was a terrible experience.
This was terrible, And I like literally cried, like face
to face with her, like this is terrible, and she's like,
this is the first time.
Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
She finally says like, well, I'm sorry that happened to you.
Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
It took three conversations and I said well, you know,
I'd like to talk to you further because I need
you to speak to Vanessa.
Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
She is trying to ruin my career.
Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
She's like, I don't think so like she's trying to
ruin my like, so I bring her into the room.
I bring her into my trailer, and I had to
do another forty eight laws of power. I sat her
on a higher plane than myself so that she can
feel as the queen, and in this setting, she is
the queen, right, And I say, you know, I don't
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need nothing from you, so I don't have a reason
to lie to you. But the people that work for you,
like in close quarters, whose names are really attached to you,
they will lie to you. And I had to convince
her that, like this is really happening, like I'm not
making this up, and even if it's turns out to
me not happening, I still need you to speak to
(01:03:04):
her to deduce what it is, what is or isn't right.
So then she she finally went and spoke to her.
But the damage is done, right because now you see
how every few years this becomes a thing. And it
was started from a lie, right, It was started from
a lie, and you know it's not about convincing people,
(01:03:24):
because I don't need to convince nobody in nothing. But
I just don't ever feel comfortable with people forming opinions
not based on truth.
Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
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Your brief stint at the University of Florida. They win
the national championship the year before you got there.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Correct, Yes, as I was enrolling, they were winning rison championship.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Sir, Tim Tebow is already there, you know, because Chris
Leak is the starter of Tim Tebow comes in.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
They got packaged for him.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
He's probably gonna be the start of the next year
unless you being camp and I know you, I know how.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You think I'm gonna beat I'm gonna go get this job.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But that's what That's not how I was recruited, though
I was recruited at the minimum.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
With your skill set, you will have a pack. You
have a package. Also, it's like t bo okay, and
that's what okay oither okay, y'all won the national championship.
A lot of these guys coming back.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I could do that, you know what I'm saying, Like
I'm looking at the you know what I'm saying myself,
like that's me.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I could do that. This is me at the to
get my feet.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Wet in the SEC as a freshman.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Folk plays a game just to run.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Then I could do that.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The fuck let's play linebacker.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Early on in my wreck ball, and then I transitioned
into running back. Then that transition into I could throw
the furtherest, so now you can play quarterbacks. So these
things is a part of my whole thing that embodied
who I was.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
As a player.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So you get there and it's not shaping up kind
of how they what they had told you or the
way you envision it, because all of a sudden you're
not getting these four to five plays a game.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And so did you have a conversation with Urban Urban
was he didn't want to talk to me. I wasn't
important enough for Urban to talk to me. And granted,
you gotta think about it like this, do you even
have a voice to talk when the person you're trying
to talk about is the Heisman front runner?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, So I.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Had a conversation with my father to say, like Pop,
time to kind of rethink this thing, because I would
not have worn it a backup to me to have
the energy to say I only.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Can play if he get hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm not that type of person, right right, You don't
want to put that negative in there yet.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I was I'm an ultimate pro, I'm an ultimate teammate.
Like I wanted people to succeed. You see what I'm saying,
Like I didn't want Tbo.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
To get hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
He's the greatest college football player to some people. You
know what I'm saying, and it's subjective. If not number one,
he top five, and Tim Tebow is old a large
portion of who Cam Newton really is.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Because just like just the same way I gave you what.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Sparked my aggression or my competitive nature with Jimmy Causon,
it sparked the same thing with Tim Tebow. Being around
Aaron Hernandez, the Pouncy Twins, Chris Rainey, Joe Hayden, Carlos
done that major right, Percy Harvin, like Brandon James, Brandon Spikes,
these Louis Murphy, all these.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Great players that I was around.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I would have been a fool not to take what
they were doing and what made them great and applied
to my journey in JUCO as well as over.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Right, So some things transpired.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You getting get into a little trouble with a computer
and you end up But.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That wasn't the reason why I left.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The reason why I left, Like, did I get in trouble, Yes,
that was already tooken care of prior.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
To me leaving. Oh okay, okay, yeah I didn't get
kicked out of them. But see that's but see that's
how they framed the story.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, I didn't get kicked out of Florida. I left Florida.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And when Tebow announced that, oh and by the way,
I'm coming.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Back yet, I gotta leave nowing I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Playing when you was here, so and and then, for
urban's sake, you couldn't even identify who the backup was
between me and John Bray.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'm like, bro, what the what are we going on?
We're fighting for scraps. Y'all can have this cool. If
it was up to me, what did I want to leave? Hell? Noah,
because the was my of my brothers.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Like, we build real relationships over that two year span
that I was there. We worked out together, we trained together,
we bled together, we cried together, we sweated together, we
we prepared together. And I'm seeing guys like Joe Hayden
play Early as a freshman. I said, damn, bro, I
would love to have an opportunity to play Marquise Pouncy
playing early man. I would have loved to air Hernandez
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playing Earth. I would have loved to be out there
and those things when they're like bro, Like we would
go back to the dorms and have these conversations like bro,
that ship was lit like bro, Like you see all
those people in there them?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I said, the damn I wish I saw them, But
that wasn't it wasn't it wasn't you for me?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know, the main everything, all the reasons why I
went to Florida was accomplished other than me playing, and
that's why I had to leave. And at that time,
they had to transfer portal, so I had to get
it out the mud. Urban Mayer had to sign off
to where I transferred to.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He gave certain restrictions. You cannot transfer.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
To in state in state school, so f A U
F I U Florida State. I couldn't go to none
of them. And I couldn't go anywhere. So I said,
how do I clear all that so I can go anywhere?
I gotta go Juco? I said, shit, I'm going Juco.
And on top of that, what really ticked me the
(05:36):
fuck off was when my father had called Urban to
ask for a championship ring. He didn't give me a
championship ring. So that really was my driving force to
becoming the player who I was. I said, don't worry
about it. I'm gonna go get my own. Got one
a Juco got one at Auburn.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You could make the case given the talent that you
had at Auburn on the offensive side, cam you had
the greatest offensive season for a quarterback and in NCAA history. Now,
I know Joe Burrow threw for sixty touchdowns and five
thousand yards, but he.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Had justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
He had Jamar Chase, he had Clyde Edwards Hilaire, he
had the I forget the guy's name, he tight end
lost it tight end, and he had the if I'm
not mistaken, another wide receiver, the third wide receiver is
in Carolina. Now, So what you had, look at the
look at what you didn't have and what you were
able to accomplish. So basically, Jimmy Close, a little fire
(06:42):
up under you, Tim Tebow, little fire up under you
in Urban, little fire up under you. Not only by
not playing you the four or five snaps that he
said he would give you, but also when you asked
for a championship ring for being on the team that
you felt you were entitled to, Like Nah we're good.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, that's what made that what they call it, That's
what created the monster, right, And if I could paint
it the way I wanted to paint it. While I
was at Auburn, there was an opportunity for Auburn to
play Florida.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
In the SEC channel. That's what you wanted. That what
you want to camp.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
No racial slur, but boy, they would have seen a
bat boon, not that motherfucker. I would have showed my
whole ass. Boy, that's what I wanted. I wanted to
prove to them that they fucked that they made a mistake.
I knew that was my point to prove I was
better than Tibo. That was my opportunity to prove that
(07:39):
y'all fucked up. That was my opportunity to prove that
this could have been y'all. But you played me. And
there was times where I would be the first person
to tell you. While I was at the University of Florida,
I was not the maturest person that I needed to
be to lead that team, and I would take responsibility
for that.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But who I grew to be. Nobody was fucking with me.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But by the time you came back, that was the
mature Cam Newton.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I needed to I needed alienation in juco. I was
in Brenham, Texas. And if I were to give you
the amount of money that you got from Cat Williams
to put up on the line to say where's Brenham, Texas,
you couldn't coin it out. And everybody who was in
Brenham on that team, they had some roots or ties
(08:30):
to Texas. So there was many weekends. There was many
times where the closest family member was thousands of miles away.
Only thing I could do was workout. I cried. I mean,
I was vulnerable. I was embarrassed. But that shaped the
creation of who Cam was. People don't remember this. When
(08:54):
I was at the University of Florida, they called me
Camer Newton. Yeah, when I went to all it was
Cam Newton. So for me, that was the creation of Cam,
two completely different people. I knew how to compartmentalize those
different people, and I didn't let that situation use me.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I used it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And when I look at my impact to football, I
love to say people's favorite NFL player just started to
get good in the NFL. I've been good at football,
by the grace of God. I was good in high school.
I was good in college, I was good in junior college,
and I was good in the NFL. There's not a
(09:40):
lot of players that can say that. And it took
a measure of focus and discipline and also vulnerableness to understand.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Like Bro, like you, I here by yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So when I talked to my seven or seven kids,
and I talked to kids around you know the world,
and I tell him, like, bro, I know what it's
like to not have ship and you so close to
what you want, it ain't out of your reach. You
just gotta tap in and use this game of football
and and and not get jaded by the distractions, the money,
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the n I E. L s, the the the woman,
all these different things.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Stay focused when you look at that roster you mentioned
Percy Harvey, Brandon Spikes, Joe Hayden, done lapt you North, Jenkin,
Mike and Maurice Pouncy. Uh person said he smoked smoked
weed before every game?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Did you know? Did you know? Yo? Did you guys
party that hard? Cam pay? It was untouchable in games field.
I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I was so disappointed in the in the documentary because
they left out so much, but they leave out ship Percy.
Go talk to person, Go talk to Charlie Strong. Shit,
go talk to Joe Hayden. See him, I'm saying, ask
them the real and they would have did that ship
for free funck all the Netflix deals and all that shit,
(11:06):
Like we need to tell you want to tell this
the real story.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Shit.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That was a very toxic locker room where they we
still had success, but damn it. It was a combination
of a lot of talent that was boiling over and
there was times where it was just unmanageable. And then
there was also times where it was a thing of
beauty where it was a competition every day, every practice,
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like we competed. And even though Tim Tebow was a
person who I wanted to be better than, Tim Tebow made.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Everybody better because he competed. That energy that he had,
that screaming, that rid and.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That ah, that's something that I could connect with, and
he connected with everybody else, even a stadium.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
How did your parents come up with that name?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
So I got my grandmam daddy side name, not the
middle name, but she died before I was born, so
I never met her, but that's her name and you know,
my mama never really explained to me where Holly Lujah
came from. She says, I guess she was feeling blessed.
And I was an eight child, she said, eight is
a what kind of numbers?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Eight?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Eight, some type of number.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
And because all my sisters, my mom got ten kids,
all the boys, well okay, so the oldest three got
their young daddy, right, and then the rest of the
seven we got the same daddy's and so all my dad.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah, my mama got ten kids.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I mean, please tell me, like one of them
like fifty and the other like they k be dorstep.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
It's like that.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
You go from my youngest brother is twenty one and
my oldest brother is thirty eight. Yeah yeah, but all
they all my brothers, like they got the same middle name,
and all my sisters got the same middle name. Like
all my brothers got my dad in the middle name,
which is Carlmichael. All my susan's middle name in the cold.
I'm the only one who middle name is Toley Lewis.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well you you different, you special heart. So you're that
cholder one, you was that chosen one.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, So what was it like growing up in a
household with ten brothers and sisters.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
We used to be jacking, yap, you know, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yeah, yeah, we used to be jacking.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
That's what a lot of people in one hair is
gonna do.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Though, no, not necessarily close to let you talk about that,
like that'st only god. I got a brother and my
sister's three of us.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Imagine it was a lot of us.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
So we used to get on each other, nerve right,
and peak on each other and fight.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Well, we love each other at the end of the
day though.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, ten brothers and sisters. So what was a typical
day like for you? Because I, okay, you homeschool until
you what the fifth grade, right, and then one of
I guess one of the older sisters called CPS, and
then CPS intervened and your mom had to enroll you
guys in traditional school.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah. So the sister is right on top of me.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
She was like it was always a problem child, yeah,
in every child group.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
And so yeah, we used to get whoopings, like like
every child get woopings. But my sister didn't like.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Get whooping, so she used to call uh DCS on
my mama and she was like, they beat my mom
used to beat on us and then we want learning
nothing in home school and all this stuff, and so
my mama had to put us in school after that.
So like they it was like she was forced because
she didn't want us. I think like my mama didn't
want us to know, like like my MoMA is super sanctified,
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and she always says certain stuff is up the world.
She used to say she didn't want us to be
of the world, like she didn't want to expose us
to all the outside world. And so she only place
we went was home in church. We didn't go nowhere.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And so yeah, by the time I got in school,
I was ten, I was in fifth grade.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
You was glad to go to school.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I was happy to go to school because we stayed
seven houses from the school, and so every day after school,
we seeing the kids come.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Down, Oh many.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
School and yeah, looking like they got friends, like they
having fun. And I used to like every time at
two fifteen, I used to look out the window if
the kids walking home from school, and they just used
to be so happy having fun. So I used to
want to go to school so bad. I was so
happy when we finally had to go to school.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Like, so what was the relationship like your relationship like
with your mother.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
You said ten kids, it's hard. It's hard to divvy
up attention and affection for ten kids. Now that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
It's just like, so I'm the third youngest, so I'm
number eight out of ten kids. Yeah, but I never
would treat it like I was a young child. Like
once my oldest sister was grown and left the house,
my mama had me like the child that was next
to her, Like I used to have to put all
my mam and receiasts together so keep up with her money.
I used to have to remember all her passwords to
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her stuff. So I never would treat it like mama
but never handicapped me like she never. I never was
in a group with the young kids, so like she
always had me by her, so like I was always
more advanced than everybody, right, because she always had me
like herstant of.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Right, help me understand your mom was like pagan's pagan.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Like there's two forms.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
There's one that doesn't believe in religions, like they don't
go to church, they don't go to mosque, they don't
go to synagods. And then there's one that believed that
there are there are many gods?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
No, mom ain't one of them. My mom is just believe.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
In God, and she believed in God, and she.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Don't believe in holidays, like she don't believe in Christmas.
She don't believe in Halloween, like we didn't celebrate a
lot of holidays coming up?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Well, does she believe like nature? Like isn't what it's like?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Like polytheism which is many. So I'm trying to get
a sense of like your mom, if you didn't go
to you didn't go to church, You didn't go to
senate goods.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
You went to church. Yeah, so you grew up in
the church.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I grew up in the church.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I'm confused what you.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Conferged to back?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Oh there's that, there's that?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Are you.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
There? There's that? You Okay, so you grew up in
the church. That's a lot of people to haul the church.
Y'all have a bus, but y'all have a little mini bus.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
My daddy, Uh I remember this white man. My dad
always haid that we had to ride because it was
ten of us. And then when the oldest three got grown,
we used to be in this like uh, kids, sodonna.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
That's still a lot of people. That's note, that's nine people.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Like we was also little like we all little like me. Yeah,
all my daddy kids little like these. So we used
to like shirt seats with each other. So we all
matter of fact, my dad had Afford Mercury, and all
seven of us used to fit in one back seat.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
My mom was in the front seat and my dad
was in the seven seven kids we.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Used to all ain't got that much.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I was a Ford Mercury. I never it's a great
four mercury. My dady he had got and we all seven
of us used to be in their back seat.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Grew up in the church, did you were you in
the choir? So you grew up in the church.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And I read that Kurt Franklin and Donnie McClerkin and
some of those were like your favorite that's what you
guys listened to, right, Yeah, So growing up in the
church singing in the choir, did being a gospel singer
ever across your mind?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
That's what I thought I was gonna be.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Well, my mama used to make me feel like I
was gonna be a big gospel singer because when we
were young, I used to sing in the choir and
then like My mama was a CNA, and so like
she was always working. She always worked in nursing homes
my whole life, and so she used to have us
like every it'll be once a week, we would have
to go to the nursing homes and sing to the
older people. And I used to get all the solos
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because I really could sing. And yeah, I used to
think I was gonna be a gospel singer. And then
I couldn't sing no more out of nowhere were I
don't know. I think it was because I started smoking weed,
but I don't know. I probably just never could sing,
and I grew up and realized it. I don't know
what it was back in the day, I sing and
I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Okay, tell me this.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
When the church three times a week and you're a
member of the worship team, what's the what's the worship team?
I understand, like a dance team or you know, So,
what's the worship team in church?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I said worship team?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Before?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, so what was your what was your role other
than in the choir?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
What was what was your role.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
In church?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah? Well you an usher?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Now, my mama was a usher. I ain't do nothing,
but I was on the dance team in church. You
got dance saturgical, it was called ofturgical. It's chinaturgical dancing
in church. You know when the girls had on the
long white dresses, they be covid all the way up
and they just be doing a little dancing.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I used to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, before I had left. I was.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
That's always been in church though, No, not like that,
not like that. But yeah, it's like gospel. It's like
it's called liturgical dancing.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You said your mom didn't believe it, like Christmas and
and and Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
We did Thanksgiving, you did this, Okay, So no Christmas.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
No Christmas, no Easter, no no Valentine, no Valentine, Halloween,
no Halloween, Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean she never cared about the holiday, Like is
that it holiday? A better really be carrying about.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
They'd be getting told.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Up because they be pinching you. We don't got on grade.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, not that it's a big Irish holiday.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like it's not. None of
you just celebrate, Like how Christmas and Thanksgiving is?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So how were you when you got your first gift
because if you didn't celebrate, what about birthdays?
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Oh, your birthdays?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So you got gifts for birthdays.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
It was really basically it was Christmas and Easter because
my mama said that those are pagan holidays. So she
was like, Christmas is it's somewhere in the babble, like
my mama know the Bible from the top to the
bott it's somewhere in there where. Christmas, like Jesus, I'm
born on December twenty field is made up and it's
the people just made up to talk about Jesus and
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Resurrection Day, just not the day he got rolls on
in real life. But it's just some those holidays are
man made, okay, and it's some it's against the battle
against it somehow somewhere it's pegging holidays.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, so we're here to celebrate thing.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So help me understanding this. How did your mom dad
feed ten kids? They gotta have some good jobs because
you know kids eat a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, we used to get food stamps. You know the
food Sam's good. You got ten kids?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, so they didn't have did they have the car?
Did y'all have the books? Sixty five? Dollars books, you know,
they had books backing.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
By the time I knew what food stamps was, we
was using the car. But before then, like it's something
called the Commodity that has That was in Memphis, I
don't know, I think it was in North Memphis something
like that. It was a commodity of the house though,
And they used to go there and get like these
blocks of cheese.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were they make the best saying.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
What you do they make rice and cheese with the junts,
but you you had to get up.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
On that failure, yeah, and it break up. It never
came off yead exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
So they used to get like that.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
And I just remember always going to the Commodity has
like a similar right, stuff like that, like all the
broceers we got from there. And I really don't know
because I stayed in the same hassroom when I was
born until I was fifteen years old.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I stayed in the same house.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
How many people slept in the bed? How many sisters
do how many people slept in the bed?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
All four wards slept?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Okay, I never had a real bed in my whole
life until Okay, so from when I was born, I
was fifteen, I had never slept in a real bed
like we. I thought everybody slept on air missiges. I
never knew people had real beds. So like when growing up,
it was a lot of us.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
The girls had one room.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
The boys had one room where my two oldest brothers
they used to sleep in like the attic upstairs. Damn,
so they had their own room. It want the attict.
It was like a room across from the attict. Yeah,
but and so the boys had one room and the
girls had one room, and we all slept on one
queen size air mattress, and y'all.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Was like that my whole life. And I never knew
Like I used to think.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
My mama was being mean to us because she used
to let people come over our hats and stuff, because
you know, I grew up we.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Had reds and roasters, and and.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
I'd used to be like when I used to go
to school and the kids be talking about, yeah, we're
gonna go for what's name house or its name house,
I used to be like, damgn, can't nobody to.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Come over my hasse? But I just thought my mom
was being mean whole time.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I would have been embarrassed because they would have been like,
you don't got no bad sleep on air mattress.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Your back should be messed up sleeping on the floor.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yeah, And we used to sleep on flothes too, like
because you know, one little thing can put a hole
in the airth mattress. And like my daddy used to
always go get the patches for the air mattress and
you glue it on her and patch the hold up
on the earth mattress. And until they got the money
to go get buy the passages, we'll sleep on the
floor until the air mattress got back patched up. And
when I turned fifteen, I moved to my daddy and
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my dad was staying in the hotel and that was
the first bed I it was still be.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
In my whole life.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
So was your mom strict?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
My mom, she was super strict. Like we used to
have to sneak out the halt because she ain't let us.
She my mama, she didn't want us exposed to the world, right,
But when we got into school, we was automatically exposed
to the world.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Like we were around all these.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Other Yeah they're doing sneakish yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
And so as kids, you want to do what other
kids doing right, Yeah, we'd sneak out the past.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It's either sneak out cause you got ten it's hard
to keep out on all ten of them.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Well, by the time I saw a sneaking out the past,
the oldest street was gone.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Okay, so that's still saying that's a lot to keep out.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
And so yeah, we used to be like sneaking out
and my mom used to go to work overnight, like
living and seven.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Right, Yeah, so you went.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You grew up in the church, So when did you, like,
did you ever was there ever time that you.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Like, do you still go to church?
Speaker 4 (24:34):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I don't go to church now, So how were you
when you kind of like stopped going? I mean, because
I read that you went like three four times a
week and then probably went down to like one to
two times a week and then probably no times a week.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
You'll probably like when I turned like thirteen, I had
we had stopped going to church.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It was a wee or you the whole If.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
My mom went to church, I was going to church.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Okay. Why she stopped, I.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Don't know, I guess because we used to change church
churches a lot, and so I don't know. I guess
she wanted with the church. No more, right, but she
will still how Bapster it was us at home?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Well, yeah, we had stopped. I stopped going to church
in like twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Michael's son, Marcus.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Was I don't know if he currently still is dating
Scotty's ex wife.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
How would you feel if a teammate of yours dated
your daughter? Would you feel some type of way?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Hell yeah, hell yeah. I that is a really I
feel bad for Michael. I feel bad for Scotty. Yes,
that is so messy. I don't like messy because when
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it's messy, everybody has an opinion on it. Everybody has
an opinion. And you know, the internet is not a
place for messy. No, And you have to understand it's
a lot of kids involved, yes, and people are mean.
People are mean, and it's unfortunate. You know. I just
(26:09):
got onto social media because I didn't want to be
around the meanness. And I feel bad for everybody involved
because I see all the pictures. I don't do the
comment stuff, but I know they're gonna be mean, right,
But it's just I just hate messy, and it's just
(26:30):
really messy and they're no winners. There's only losers, because
obviously Michael and Scotti's relationship can't ever be the same.
Did you know was it the last dance when Michael
put that that because he wasn't there at the time
when Scotty refused to go in the game and he
(26:51):
inserted that until the last dance? Did you always know
that Scotty and Michael had.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
This kind of contingious relationship because from the outside it
like it looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, I was surprised it was so bad. I was surprised.
But in Farid, I don't spend a ton of time
with those guys together. I spent a lot more time
with Michael, a lot more time with Michael. Uh. You know,
it's just a sad situation because I think if you
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not that I know, but you know, if you win
a championship with guys, y'all probably have a special bond
for yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if you win six,
y'all might as well. Y'all should be brotherly like. So,
like I say, you know, if you win one championship,
I'm pretty sure every time y'all get together, because you
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got that, you're gonna have the reunion. Yes, every every five,
five year, ten year, fifteen, twenty three. Yeah, but if
you win six together, y'all should be damn near blood beasts.
So that's the thing I most feel bad. There's guys
I didn't win with. They some of my best friends.
Every time I see them, it's like, man, I got
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another brother, and like we bumping each other at all
the Star Games, maybe the Hall of Fame ceremony, or
we just bumping each other. It's like a family reunion.
But if I had won six championship with somebody, I
would think, Man, we blood brothers for life.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
When people that do what we do take shots at you,
I mean you had to look funny back and forth.
You and Shake had the funny back and forth. You
put Kendrick person Perkins's face on the punching back and
you you punch it and you get in this shape.
I mean, how do you how do you handle that?
When when guys that do what we do take shots
at you. Yeah, it doesn't bother me because because I
(28:42):
guess technically we take shots at players.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Right. The only problem that I had what Kendrick says,
there's nobody in the world watch more basketball than me.
I tell you, like and I just come out of
Mark Magic was pissed me off even more because I
was watching two or three college basketball games a day.
March Maddison really sucks because I'm watching games all day long.
(29:09):
But to say another guys don't watch the games because
he has a different opinion than you. Yeah, yeah, And
so that's the only thing bothered me. I could say,
I say, there's nobody in the world watch more basketball
than me. So but I don't get mad. And the
thing is really funny about it. Shack is so sensitive
at times because I was gonna like let it go,
(29:34):
and he's like, no, no, no. My mama told me
growing up, we kill all roaches, and I said, like,
so that's how the whole roast thing came up, and
so any time anything happened right now, Shaq's like, we're
killing roaches. And Shack is so crazy. He made a
rap this song. Yeah, but I don't take it like
(29:57):
I really the only person I've taken shot. I said, honestly,
it's Skipp Bayless, because man, what we do is such
an honor. I don't think you can say stuff just
to say it, because my whole going back then, I says, hey, man,
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there's somebody in Montana, Maine, South Dakota if I said
something bad about these guys, They're like, well, I saw
it on television. It's gotta be true, right. So I'm
be like, man, I'm not gonna say anything about a player,
especially if it's personal. There's somebody in Montana or South
(30:38):
Dakota gonna say, well, you know, Charles Barker said this
guy was blah blah blah. So I'm never gonna use
my platform for negativity. I'm gonna get you out on
him this one.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You once said that you've probably lost about twenty million
in gambling. Have you quenched that urge to gamble or
do you still like the gamble?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I love to life a gamble, you know. I got.
I got to the point so I would go to
Vegas and I'd win a million dollars. Damn me? Want
you playing ahead? I played twenty five thousand and a half. Okay, yeah,
(31:20):
A couple of quick double dollars you can get them,
and quick double doll you can get. Get it up
out of your pockets. I never know. I don't want
no check, I don't want you to wire. I want cash.
And there's probably been seven times I want a million dollars. Okay,
(31:42):
there's probably been twenty five times I've lost a million, right.
Uh So what happened was I quit gambling for two
years and I always take the same group of guys
from me, and I said, man, I miss gambling. Why
doon't you start gambling again? I said, well, man, I
was getting out of hand. They're like, yo, man, you're gambling.
(32:06):
Ain't getting out of hand. You're just an idiot. And
the one thing I pride myself on around my friends,
they can always be honest with me. I said, why
do you say I'm an idiot? They're like, yo, man,
we'll be sitting there, You'll be up three four hundred
thousand dollars. We're like, Chuck, let's go. You're good for tonight, right,
And in my head I'm saying, no, we're not leaving
(32:27):
this month. I wear a million dollars, right, And they said, dude,
there's times you've been up six seven hundred thousand dollars
and you won't quit because gamble's really just peaks in Vallas.
It is. It's just peaks in Vallas. It's a stock market. Yes,
that's all it is. And They're like, dude, why can't
(32:48):
you win three hundred thousand dollars and say, man, we
had a great weekend. Why you gotta win a million?
And I said what they says, why can't you lose
three hundred and say we still had a great weekend?
And I says, are you serious right now? He said, Man,
you know I ain't gonna lie to you. Let's win
a couple hundred thousand, have a great weekend, go home
(33:13):
or lose two or three hundred. You ain't got to
win a million, or you ain't got to chase it
and lose a million. And so the answer your question,
I said, Yo, man, we're going to Vegas for the weekend.
We're gonna lose a couple hundred thousand, or we're gonna
win a couple hundred thousand. You know what we're gonna do.
We're gonna play golf every day and get drunk every night.
And I had to change my mentality because you can
(33:36):
never break the casino. No, no, no, they can break here
with yes. And my friends just set me down and say, yo, man,
let's just go have fun for the weekend. Let's win
some money or lose a little lose a little bit.
But yeah, but that's what really happened. Like I say,
I got such elation, but then when I would lose
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a million, I was so depressed. Not that the money
just yeah that's bush. Yeah, because of the money, but
the losing.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But but the winning never feels as good as the
losing hurt.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yes, you you were so excited when you got all
that money laying in front of you, but you're like
the pressed for a week. You're like, damn, I lost.
I lost a million dollars. And then you have to
send the bill till you financial people and they yell
at you, and you are yelling and yelling and yelling,
(34:31):
and then I says, hey, y'all better quit yell at me.
I'm a fire y'all. And then they're like, okay, we'll
pay it. But that's what really happened. I was getting
out of hand because, like you just had, your point
was so good. No matter how good it feels, winning,
when you lose, it just sucks.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
I remember my really good friend, my really like my
age boncoon. She she used to hear me tell stories
and she would be like and she revealed this later,
she was like, you know, I would say to myself,
she must be leaving something out. There's no way this
could have happened this way, she must be leaving something out.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Until I got kicked out that Emmy's party?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
What'd you do to get kick got the Hemmy's party? Damn,
we can't take you nowhere?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
What do you do?
Speaker 7 (35:21):
I go to a lot of places because I'm lovable
and people like me and I'm delightful.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
I am delightful.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
What did you do?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I arrived?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Okay, you arrived, Okay, you're inside.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
No, So here's how it went.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
So, because Hollywood is just so inundated with whiteness, there
was this conglomeration of folks that came together to say,
you know what, We're gonna have a black Amy's party.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Cause you know, have you been to the Amy's parties.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I've never been to Amies.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
So like they're just you know, they're just very blah like.
It's just a bunch of people sitting around like, am
I right?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Am I? Right?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Oh my god, here's sin. You're sin? You're sin? Like
that's the vibe. Yeah, but you know when we party,
we want to have a little bit more onto it,
you know, called nice but up Derek.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
So the in twenty eighteen was the first one where
they had a black and thesee party. So basically it's
like everybody, who'd i'e been to all the mother parties
in this one?
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Yes, And I went to that party with Jill Scott.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
And one of the people that planned that party was
Esa Ray's publicist, Vanessa Anderson, So she was one of
the planners of the party. But there's a bunch of
people involved in planning this party, correct. So I show
up with Jill and Jill's manager was like, hey, you know,
can we And I remember hearing Vanessa go like, oh, come.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
On on, Amanda, mind you.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing wrong right here,
Like I'm just standing with Jill Scott. But nonetheless, we
came in the party, we had a great time. So
but and I said to Issa, like, I don't know
what's going on with your publicist, but like she she
got something wrong, she got a problem with me. And
she was like, that's between y'all, Okay. I said, well,
it's not really between y'all because I don't have a
problem with her, but she seems to have a problem
(37:03):
with me.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
And she was like, that's none of my business.
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Okay, Okay, So now next year is twenty nineteen, and
it was interesting because in twenty eighteen it was packed
like a dick in front of that place.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
In twenty nineteen, there was like nobody there.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
But I was at the HBO party, and every black
person I saw, I would tell them, make sure you
go to the Black and the party because I am
about creating community and I want us.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
To be together, right.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
So I pull up with my homegirl Kathia and Kendrick
Sampson who's on Insecure, you know the show where I
don't have any friends. So I pull up with Kendrick Sampson.
So we get to the door and I learned later
that she just is white passing. But this is a
Mexican girl, but like she looked like a white girl.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Okay. So she at the door for the for the amys.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
What kind of party as the black party?
Speaker 6 (37:53):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
So she tells us you can go in, you can
go and you can't go in. Now I think she's talking,
said my friend, because my friend is a realtor, right,
And she says, no, you can't go in, and so
why can't I go in? She says, you're just on
the list to not be able to go in. Now,
I had also been invited to this party directly by
(38:16):
Jesse Williams. Right, so, Jesse Williams said, texted me and said,
please come to the Black Emmy's party, right, Okay. So
I'm like, all right, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna come
to the Black Amy's party. Yeah, of course, like that's
what I am about. So I come to the party
and I'm like, okay, uh, why am I not being
(38:38):
let in?
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Hm?
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Kendrick says, I'm gonna go. Look, I'm gonna go look
around and see why you're not being let in. Well, baby,
I'm not standing outside no party, right, So I head out,
But then I'm stopped by just by this brother, Joey Harris,
who works with Janet Jackson.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Joey's like and Joey's like.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
One of these people who's just always he's his disposition
is just always like glowing. It's kind of like Jordan.
So he's like, where are you going. I'm like, oh,
they said they won't let me in the party.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
He's like, absolutely not. Come on, bat, We're gonna get
you in this party.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Loie so we come back and so this is an
example of someone trying to protect and look out right.
So he brings me back and he's like, why are
you not letting her in the party? By the way,
at this time, I'm hosting Bring the Funny on MBC.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
There is a billboard the size of a hotel two.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Blocks away with me and my co stars on the show,
Chrissy Teagan, Jeff Foxworthy and Keenan Thompson and can I.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
Just put it a pin in this really quick to
get them their props.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
I had a real hard time on Insecure, and I'll
get to that, but being on this show was so
affirming because everyone there was so just happy to be happy,
and I hadn't experienced that on that set, like from
the showrunner to the writers, to my stage manager Roger,
(40:04):
to my co stars, Like I just got to be
myself and it really let me know it's not you,
it's the environment. And I don't get to talk enough
about like the positive shit because people are always so
attracted to the negative. But I remember day one, Christy Tigan,
we had to do rehearsals for the first day and
(40:24):
they had me in these stilettos shinning. Oh my God,
like I would have had to doing the work for Yes,
the feet were crying and it was I had an
injury from these fucking stilettos. And the next day Christy
Taguan brought a foot massage from sharper Image and left
it in my dressing room for the duration of the shoot.
Like that's the kind of people, you know, just generous
for no reasons, right, And we just had a blast.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
We had such a good time.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
And I remember Jeff Foxworthy one time they wanted us
to do this ad where we had to pass around
a drink and I don't drink, so it's like, I
don't mind drinks being around, but like me pretending like
I drink ate my jib. So I was like, I
just don't feel comfortable doing this. Now it becomes a thing.
This is how I get labeled difficult because I didn't
get we didn't get any prep for this.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
But you need to go along with whatever they give you.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Didn't you know that whatever they give you you're supposed
to do well. When you're a woman, it's even more
sh quick stirring up trouble.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
So Jeff Foxworthy saw shit going left.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
And he stepped in and he said, yeah, I don't
feel comfortable with it either.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
He used his fame, his white manness, you know, he
used his disposition to just take the.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Heat off of me. He said, I got you.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
To this day.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
I really want to do a show with Jeff fox
Worth that we were just like fish and talk shit like.
Speaker 6 (41:46):
That's a goal I want to do if you want
to produce.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
I've been present while someone is fishing, but I have
not been given my rule.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
So you hadn't had a rod or a pole in
your hand, but I have.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
I have dated men from the South. I have been
present and Crappy cooked for me.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yes, okay, so yes, So I think you'd be more
of a shore fisherman, you know, on.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
The land, can't be in the boat. Yeah. Yeah, but
I'm saying, we go, we go, Yeah, we go, baby step.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
It's harder in the boat than on the land.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah. Probably.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
So really, Now, I thought there were more fish in
the center.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
They're more fish, yeah, but when they go way out there,
they're they're normally fishing for a particular type of fish.
Like when you're on when you're on the shore, you
fish with anything to bite, catfish, crapy, you know, perch, bass,
but normally when you go out you fish for you know,
maybe you're trying to catch tuna, your branzino, something like that.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Snapper.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yes, okay, you know about fish, you just never actually
had a rod in your hand, like brought it off.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
So I am I hyperfixate. So I know a lot
about a lot of things because I become immersed. Yes,
so like I'm a scuba diver, so I know a
lot about fish. And then at one point it was like,
I'm gonna learn everything I know about dogs, and now
I'm gonna learn everything I need to know about Game
of thronts.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
I'm gonna learn everything I need to.
Speaker 7 (43:11):
Know about you know, c doable football, Like I mean, like,
but I do know a lot about fish.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, So you say no.
Speaker 7 (43:20):
Because I'm I'm I'm in the middle of a story
and sometimes I beer off, but I always come back because.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I want to make sure we get to your absecure role.
Speaker 7 (43:27):
So I just wanted to shout that out because I
bring the funny was a beautiful experience and it was
super super super duper super duper dope. So when we're
here and Joey Harris is trying to get me in
this party. The white girl says again, Well, the white
passing girl says again, yeah, no, she can't come to the party.
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So Joey's like, think on one side and figure out
what's going on. Again, I'm not about to stand out here.
So I started to walk away again, and now Elijah
Kelly comes out.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
He's like, hey, hey, Hey, where are you going. I said,
they're not trying to let me in this.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Party that I was invited to by Jesse Williams.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
You attempt to call Jesse.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
I attempt to call Jesse.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
I texted him, but he's in a party, you know,
so I texted him.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
So then Elijah is like, well, I'm one of.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
The planners of the party, so they can't stop you.
They can't stop me from bringing you in. So he
starts to bring me.
Speaker 6 (44:27):
In, and homegirl grabs my arm.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
But I remember when I told you I've been in
New Yorker since I was twelve.
Speaker 6 (44:34):
Shake that off, lose me. Yeah, crazy. So we go
in the party and I go and sit down. No sorry,
I go in the party. I go by the bar.
Speaker 7 (44:43):
My homegirl goes to the bathroom. I'm standing by the
bar and a security guard approaches me. A security guard
your size approaches me and says, hey, I'm gonna have
to ask you to leave.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
And I said, well, why do I need to leave?
Speaker 7 (44:59):
And he said, because you're you're being asked to leave.
I said, well, who's asking me to leave? He said, well,
let me go find out.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Why.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
He had, well, I mean, you came and say they're
asking you to leave, and you don't know who's asking
me to leave.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
You got to go find out.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
He was given an order.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
So now he comes back and he says, Vanessa Anderson
is asking you to leave.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
I said, well, you need to find Vanessa and have
her come tell me herself.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Is that he's raise puplis? Yes?
Speaker 7 (45:30):
I said, well you need to have Vanessa come and
find me and tell me herself. So he then leaves
again and comes back with three other men, and one
of the men now is a brother, and he's walking
towards me cursing. So he's literally walking towards me, saying
you need to get the fuck out of here. You
need to leave, and I'm lying, mind you, I'm I'm
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dressing down, honey, okay, And he's like, you need to
leave now, Cathia was in the bathroom. She's now just
come up and I'm looking around and I can see
people see.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
Right, So I'm like, why do I have to leave?
Speaker 7 (46:04):
Because we've said so so there's like violent energy and
language coming towards you. Right, I ain't no sucker, okay,
and but I'm also not stupid. I can't fight for men,
so like I mean, right, So I the first one
(46:28):
who was kind, he had come up right here, but
then the other three were right here. So I have
to realize I've lost this fight. So I pivot to leave,
but I pivot really fast because I'm gonna still say
my mother's piece.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
So when I pivot and I.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
Say, I pivot to go, you, I guess they thought
I was about to do something. So the white guy
steps in between me and the two the and the
brother and chest bumps me and throws me back.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Right.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
So, now this is an assault because I hadn't raised
my hand to do anything to anybody.
Speaker 6 (47:02):
So luckily I'm nimbleing a heel.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
So I but now it's like, you know, now I've
been assaulted, so your natural response. So I'm about to
go super Saiyan on these mothers. Gokul over here. I'm
like ah, and I hear in one ear, I hear
the security guard saying, please, Amanda, don't do it, and
it feels like, plead, miss Cili, don't do it. Don't
be like me, miss Cili, don't be like Miss Sophia.
(47:26):
And then in the other ear, I have my homegirl
who's from.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
The Bronx, like this is some bully and all I'm
hearing is.
Speaker 7 (47:36):
But I look around and I see nobody come into
my aid. All these agents and people that I see
around now.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
None of them are Insecure. None of them are the
actors from Insecure.
Speaker 7 (47:46):
But there's people whose faces I still remember, and they
will not get a hug in a party either.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
I just refuse somebody a hug the other day for this, and.
Speaker 7 (47:58):
I realized, like, you gotta go. So we walk outside
and the security guard says to me and I'm so sorry,
like I'm just doing my job, and I said, I
feel you, But you have to ask yourself is it
worth doing a job that makes you go against your
moral compass? He was liked, so I hope he left
(48:18):
that job because he could tell that he was He
was mixed up in somebol So we're in a back
alley like waiting for a car, and I'm crying because
this feels like, you know, I've been humiliated and I
didn't do nothing. And that was the night that me
and my homegirl became super like that became my sister
because she was like, when you would tell me that
(48:39):
she would happen to you, I would think she must
be keeping something out.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
But I literally just watched you do nothing.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
You literally just came somewhere, you were invited, and even
though you tried to leave, multiple people said no, you
belong here. Multiple people. Another person on this team said
you belong here. So I'm bringing you in here. And
then when I tell the story on my Instagram and
on my podcast, it ends up getting turned into this
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whole other thing of you don't belong here, Amanda Seals
doesn't belong here, And that's the thing that's a narrative
that has come about, like I don't perpetuate yes, I
don't belong in these places.
Speaker 6 (49:20):
And what ended up happening two days later is.
Speaker 7 (49:24):
That I got a call from Lisa and she called
me and said, hey, I heard what happened this weekend.
I just want you to know I have nothing to
do with it. Would you be willing to talk to Vanessa?
Speaker 3 (49:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I try to talk Vanessa at the party.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Shit two days too late.
Speaker 7 (49:45):
So I've never talked about this publicly because it has
always been incredibly important to me to protect Lisa, because
I know that Lisa is doing something within this business
that so few people get to do, and it's not
something I desire to do, Like I'm not interested in
getting one hundred million dollar production deal, Like that's not
a life that I want for myself. But I know
that her role is very important, and so I've always
(50:07):
protected Lisa. However, there's just been enough instances at this
point where I should have been protected by Lisa and
I wasn't. And one of my biggest problems that we
have discussed several times in this interview is that I
think people are going to show up for me the
way I show up for them. And now it's at
a point where my protecting of Lisa has become turned
on to me and something that people are using against me.
Speaker 6 (50:30):
There's a whole narrative that is completely false that people
keep spinning.
Speaker 7 (50:34):
They keep saying, you know that I'm this mean girl
on this set that I harmed these people on this set.
I just want to point out something very basic. How
can I be a mean girl on a set that
ain't my set? How it's your show, you are my boss.
I don't even have the capacity to be the mean
girl here because you can fire me. So there's no
(50:58):
way for me to be a mean girl in this situation.
And I know some people that may buck up against
like the confirmation bias that they've created, but it simply
is the truth.
Speaker 6 (51:08):
You know.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
When I got to that show, I had had a
show on Lisa's website on YouTube. I had my show
Get Your Life, and when it came out on her
instant on her YouTube, unfortunately, the press picked it up
as Lisa Ray's new show, right, But I'm but she hadn't.
Speaker 6 (51:24):
She didn't do anything except put.
Speaker 7 (51:25):
It on her site, Like I put all my money
into it, I wrote it, I started it, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (51:29):
And so I said, hey, you know, would you mind
you know, tweeting to correct this, and she just wouldn't.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
She wouldn't promote any of the shows, you know, And
I just felt like that was unfortunate, But it didn't
make me. It didn't change my view of her character,
like it just let me know, like, okay, this how
she do business. But in that time, her publicist was
interacting with me and was from just day one just
so acerbic, like just vitrol it for no reason, to
(51:57):
the point where Lisa's business manager had to say to
the public it's like, can you please try and be
kinder to Amanda? She's like a talent on our channel?
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Do you and you have no reason why she would
treat you behave.
Speaker 6 (52:15):
So Lisa says, would you talk to Vanessa?
Speaker 3 (52:19):
No?
Speaker 7 (52:20):
I said, sure, you know why? Why who's my boss?
Who's my boss in this situation?
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Well? The boss?
Speaker 6 (52:30):
And where do I have to go back to work?
So what's the game you talked about?
Speaker 3 (52:35):
You had to play the game.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
But hold on, But there was a situation earlier Amanda,
Well you said that ain't my business.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Y'all need to handle that. Now she wants you to
talk to her.
Speaker 6 (52:47):
You're good at math? You good at math, Sharpton Shannon shopping.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I'm I'm just saying because you like.
Speaker 6 (52:55):
You can't spell sharp and without shop.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
Now, so okay, you have so I take the call.
You should have said, I want to be fased up
face I want to look. I like the look a person.
Speaker 6 (53:07):
My feelings were hurt. My feelings were hurt.
Speaker 7 (53:12):
I just got assaulted in a party for black people
in Hollywood, and I've been in Hollywood longer than majority
of the people in this fucking party, right, my feelings
are hurt.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Okay, you take the call.
Speaker 7 (53:25):
Hello, Hi, Manda, this is Vanessa. I just want you
to know that. So none of this has anything to
do with Lisa. That's the first thing she says. None
of this has anything to do with Lisa. So I
just want you to know that. But I do want
you to understand that it was me who kicked you
out the party.
Speaker 6 (53:41):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (53:42):
So I just want you to know that the reason
I kicked you out the parties because I don't like you. Okay, Well,
that's all I need to know. There's nothing else for
us to talk about, and I hang up. She calls
me back immediately. Why did you hang up? I said,
because there's nothing else for us to talk about it,
she says, don't you want to know why I don't
like you?
Speaker 3 (54:00):
And not? Actually, actually I don't.
Speaker 7 (54:01):
No, I don't because it's none of my business. I've
never done anything to you, and for you to put
me in harm's way off of literally nothing means that
I don't need to talk to you about why you
don't like me. You need to talk to your therapist
about why you don't like me. And I hung up
the phone. She called back, No, she called around. She
starts a smear campaign.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Oh, so this whole time your boss and I don't
like I don't do the gossip thing. So have you
ever had a conversation with ASA about this situation about
her publicist?
Speaker 7 (54:35):
You're saying, since the situation at any point? Well, I
mean I had that one time where I said to you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
And she said, well that y'all need to work. That
ain't got none to do with me.
Speaker 7 (54:44):
So now, after this conversation with the publicist and I
get off the phone, I start getting word that she
is going around to the different publications and different people
because it starts coming back to me, and she's going
around saying that I was is in danger of getting
fired from Insecure, which I honestly I don't even know
(55:05):
if that was true or not, but I had never
that had never been brought to my attention. She starts
going around saying that I got in a fight at
the party. She starts going around saying that I peed
on the floor at the party. I got to move
it to the side. Like what are we talking about?
So I feel like I'm gonna answer your question. So
(55:29):
Easa then calls me again and says, Hey, I just
want to know if this is going to be a
problem on set, because now this is going on for
two weeks and this.
Speaker 6 (55:41):
Going viral.
Speaker 7 (55:46):
In earlier in the conversation, you were like, why do
you care if people don't who don't know you, like
are saying mean things about you, And it's like I
wish I had that, And I'm at a point in
my life where.
Speaker 6 (55:57):
I'm there, but.
Speaker 7 (56:01):
It's really up when the pylon happens and it has
nothing to do with reality, Like I don't even mind
a pylon if it's something I really did. This situation,
I'm like, how am I the villain in this situation? Well,
you shouldn't have gone to her party because it was
her party.
Speaker 6 (56:19):
Well it's not just her party.
Speaker 7 (56:20):
There's several people at the parties, not like I crashed
her baby shower. But also I'm looking at Issa because
it's like this is your responsibility. We are both your employees,
and this is a part of leadership. This is the
important part of leadership. And it's that's what makes leadership
so annoying, is you're going to manage people. Yes, you do,
and personalities and it's it's a very difficult task, but
(56:41):
it is part for the course.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
Yes, but that's why you got the hundred million or
whatever you got, is to manage your employees.
Speaker 7 (56:49):
So I said, you know, listen, I am not saying
that it's going to be a problem on set, but
I do think it is a problem that you don't
feel that you need to step in. And she was like, well,
then we have a difference in opinion, Like I just
this is this is between y'all.
Speaker 6 (57:03):
This is between y'all.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Well, if it was between us, why'd you intervene and
say I need to connect that she wanted to call
I needed to talk to her if you felt it
was just between us, because you interjected yourself into that.
If it's between two people, I shouldn't have interference for
someone else to say we need to get together the
two people either she reaches out to me or I
reach out to her. I don't need you to intervene.
But you felt the need to intervene in that. But
(57:26):
now you don't feel an intervene to go any further,
the intervention to go any further.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (57:34):
So I'm also promoting my book right, so this hits
me because now the press is canceling.
Speaker 6 (57:41):
So this is now affecting me professionally. And I didn't
do shit.
Speaker 7 (57:44):
Right, and I don't like you, in my opinion, is
not a sufficient reason to sick for security guards on
me and remove me from a black space, which also
begs the question what the fuck is a black space?
Because we like to claim that they're safe spaces, and
you know that they're for us, but at this point
(58:05):
black spaces are literally it's just black faces, and that
even is you know, something to do with this pressure
that I've been going through, but to stay on course.
Speaker 6 (58:14):
So now we have to go back to shooting.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Mm hmm. Uncomfortable.
Speaker 7 (58:21):
I'm uncomfortable and I ain't any more sack, and nobody's
saying nothing to me. Everybody knows because at this time
it's just the women shooting. Everybody knows what's going on.
They don't say nothing to me, and that's just sing mean,
it's mean. They'll say nothing to me, and let me
tell you from the beginning, I've been trying with these
ladies because I want to make community everywhere I go.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
I didn't invited them to my house. They didn't come.
Speaker 7 (58:48):
I brought them gifts, they said thanks. I tried to
plan a retreat. They said, we don't want to go.
You know, I put I created our group chat for
the show. I created game nights for the show.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
Nobody to participated.
Speaker 7 (58:59):
I mean, but like reluctantly. But I'm trying to do this,
you know, because I think that this is It's like
when I walked in and I was like, I feel
like it's my role to make you feel comfortable. Like
I feel like that's my way of getting around this thing,
(59:19):
this stigma that people like to put on me, that
they got shit to do with how I really exist.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
Okay, And.
Speaker 7 (59:29):
In this situation now I'm publicly now being like excoriated.
You got this earthworm gym looking Nigga Serunus out here
talking about, well, you don't. No one likes you, so
that's why you weren't invited. What's hilarious about that is
that we were only in two scenes together. So this
is not somebody that really knows me. But you know
what the other thing is, Shannon Sharpton. This is a
(59:52):
brother who ended up having a child with someone on
the show, and when he had the child, there was
rumors that were going around that he was not claiming
the child, and so these people had started talking about it.
Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
But the people that are talking.
Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
About ami people, I'm not involved in it, but I
hear it because we do say and then he come
around and is, hey, I don't like it like that.
Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
I don't like like that.
Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
It's not honest. So even though that's not my boy,
I pull him to the side. I said, Pete, people
I hear are talking about you behind your back about
this situation, and I said, listen, this is a small business.
So at the end of the day, if you are
this child's father, I think you should explain it to
(01:00:46):
the rooftops if you are not claimed. If you are
and you don't want to claim this child, I would
like for you to just consider rethinking that because as
somebody with a father that did not show up for me,
I really feel like she would really benefit from having
a father in her life. And he was like, well,
why ain't nobody coming to me? I said, I'm literally
coming to you right now, and you ain't even my peoples.
(01:01:07):
But I don't think it's fair that you're being talked
about behind your back by people that you think are
your peoples.
Speaker 6 (01:01:14):
He said, well, you know, thank you for that.
Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
That's the same nigga that fixed his mouth to jump
on the bandwagon if we hate Amanda, because it was
a bandwagon and he want to be seen. He thought
maybe he was going to He thought he was going
to get an extra right, he thought he was going
to get an extra scene or something.
Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
So now we're on set and I finally say that.
Speaker 7 (01:01:35):
He said, so, are you just not going to talk
about this because it's now going on for three weeks
and my mental health is suffering, okay, And.
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
I just what.
Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
I just it was a tough time. And she's like, well,
you know, like what do you want to talk about?
And I said, listen, like this was a terrible experience.
This was terrible, And I like literally cried, like face
to face with her, like this is terrible, and she's like,
this is the first time.
Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
She finally says like, well, I'm sorry that happened to you.
Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
It took three conversations and I said well, you know,
I'd like to talk to you further because I need
you to speak to Vanessa.
Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
She is trying to ruin my career.
Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
She's like, I don't think so like she's trying to
ruin my like, so I bring her into the room.
I bring her into my trailer, and I had to
do another forty eight laws of power. I sat her
on a higher plane than myself so that she can
feel as the queen, and in this setting, she is
the queen, right, And I say, you know, I don't
(01:02:42):
need nothing from you, so I don't have a reason
to lie to you. But the people that work for you,
like in close quarters, whose names are really attached to you,
they will lie to you. And I had to convince
her that, like this is really happening, like I'm not
making this up, and even if it's turns out to
me not happening, I still need you to speak to
(01:03:04):
her to deduce what it is, what is or isn't right.
So then she she finally went and spoke to her.
But the damage is done, right because now you see
how every few years this becomes a thing. And it
was started from a lie, right, It was started from
a lie, and you know it's not about convincing people,
(01:03:24):
because I don't need to convince nobody in nothing. But
I just don't ever feel comfortable with people forming opinions
not based on truth.
Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
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