Club 520 - Stephen Jackson on NBA Finals win with Spurs, CRAZY NBA stories, starting All The Smoke - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, man, we're back another one for episode of
The Club five twenty podcasts.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
I'm the house. My name is DJ.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well's special special guests in the building. To my left,
we're gonna introduce my man's last one. To my far left,
we got my dog.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
They should be hearing out the pear LEAs how you
was nasty.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Let's get to it.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
I know you always keep your feet proper. Now he
showing out to that, and you know what.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm saying, he's not playing. He ain't playing with him today,
but normally he and the black forces with the white license.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, I know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
You from p A T.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yeah, when you see the black forces down there with that.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Means we don't really do The Black forces is the
bad thug niggas and the white forces the pretty boys like,
we don't do that. It's either in you or it's not.
You know what I'm saying, regardless what you got on.
But the forces I wasn't as big as air Max
where I'm from, we used to wear the ax.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Okay, yeah, ninety five, that was big.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
The force wasn't this big coming up in pa Okay, Okay,
all black ninety fives.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Or is that straight? And he called him ninety five. Yeah,
especially the rebels.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Yeah, yuh tell me right, my dog, you're not show
young tig how you are man chilling bro hype man.
We got somebody in here that's kind of like an
inspiration us. He started the pile, they got the pore started,
They rolling got their whole. They taking over everything, all
the smoke productions everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
So it's hape to have somebody in here.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
That we kind of look up to in the podcast
and with Joe and Gilly and all those too, So
it's gonna be a good show for.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Us for show listen, you know, as a patience, Man,
I'm locked in but waiting for this episode man for
Shore come time, boy.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yes, sir, I can't wait till we get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Come on, man, we got a ba hip, like you said,
all the smoke him and Max showed the way for
this podcast game man, we got stack Jack and the
billing Steve Jackson.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Appreciate you putting big.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Thank you for having me man, and good y'all y'all
flowers too. Y'all y'all created a nice show and made
a lot of way in a short time. Every time
I look on social media, I see something from y'all
show trending, So that mean y'all doing something right. So Man,
I'm honest to be on y'all show man.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Definitely, Man, appreciate you to like you said, Man, I
love podcasting, man, especially in the sports situation.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
All the smoke knuckle heads.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Like y'all was the ones right there, you know, to
help pave the white for us to be in the situation. Man,
So shout out to y'all man for being trail bases
in the Man. We gotta start off with a question, man, Yeah,
like you know what I'm saying. We talked about the force.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
You and Jordan brad athlete your chairs for so solution.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm the threes and fours guy. Yeah, threes and fours
is my ship, you know. They it's just the most
comfortable one. And actually, you know when I that's what
I played in. I played in threes and four. So
that's just my go to I rock the ones now
because you know that's the most. That's the shoot. They
sent us the most. We have every one. You know,
they might not send all the flaship, but they gonna
send you every Jordan's one you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But for the most part, threes and fours, Soure.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
We know you was hooping in the protegees and you
got to the to the joord.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But look at you. I played them ship. Let me
tell you what's about the protegee Shout out, shout, don't
shout out at the same time, Bro, every quarter of

(03:02):
the game. If you want to know what moves I
made on the court, all you had to do is
look because the black ship from the shoes. Then each
quarter I'm tearing a hole in each paradog. I played
no shoes for like six months. After that. I had
bone spurs in my foot for three years fucking with
them protegees, trying to be lawyer in my homeboy. We

(03:23):
made a little bread off of it, but it was
not worth it.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Bro, I'm telling it wasn't worth it. Go through the
crazy shoe wrikings. We're gonna put in the protegee. We
never got put in the Starberris.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
They made by the same people them gave out the plug.
Oh so I didn't know that. No, Steph did it.
He gave a flooded like Jake. I think we could
do it too it. Let's try it, hey, and it
didn't work. That's how the dope game works.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I ain't know.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Subber was a plug that changed a lot. Now step
but step Ate. Steph made some good money and he's
still making good money. He just started Xavier threes for
a son in China to it. They're doing pretty good
as well. Shout the stuff man, shout the step that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Were talking about the Triple Bes that nobody got their shoes.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
He was like, they was us still waiting on them.
I'm still waiting on my Triple Be. The ball that
ship was way better than Page. I'm sorry. Nothing was
wanting them protoge unless she went some sketches out there.
They were in schedules. Now he was trying to get
a deal with it. They were like in the were
lock in with me. They got they got Joel and
bid though they straight and niggas with anything.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Now they're paying. Yeah, they're paying niggas around and.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Stagging and staggering. We talked about going viral, and one
time I said something about Michael Jackson. Everybody killed me.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
I said, Drake seeing just as good as Michael something
like that. That ain't what I meant.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
It was a long night.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
It was long week, it was a long night, so
it came it came out wrong though, But you was
all like you were crazy, like this nigga, crazy nigga
say anything. Man you had, you had went crazy. He
d m me Michael Jackson songs for like the whole day.

(05:13):
I'm like, Bro, I was just drunk, bro, Like, you
know what, It's funny because it's funny and I do
remember that now, but it's funny because people are people.
Do really compare Chris Brown and Drake to Michael Jackson,
Like as far as starts and starts starting, you know
what I'm saying, I would be I would say this,
Chris Brown is by far the closest thing to Michael Ja. Absolutely,

(05:35):
you know what I'm saying. And if you had to
have a Michael in hip hop, Yeah, I was wild
and I always admit I want to be Drake.

Speaker 6 (05:48):
I'll step in now. See see you just talking about stardom.
That liquor was kicking his ass. He's talking about vocally. Absolutely,
I didn't want you to tap back in, but you
tap back in. But y'all, y'all went in because you

(06:09):
dre shot us cool and Dre. I'm big on music,
roll up music too, but I'm tapped in with y'all.
You know what I mean, background and body at work.
But they said something that you was right. It just
I made my nay dms go crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I was just tripped. I was just like, so cool
and Dre send me the acapella and everything.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
You know, really no music.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I'm just tipsy, bro, just talking shit. Bro, that weren't
even posted to go nothing like.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
That was not real.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
If somebody, if you have to pick somebody that could
be close to Mike vocal, who would you pick? Male
or female? Because I think it's for me. It's only
one female that I can think that's closer to Mike
and vocals.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
You're gonna say, Whitning Houston.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's it. Yeah, that's it. Bro.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
We locked in.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
We had Joe Button on the podcast. He said, you
don't mention music no more like you done. So I'm
gonna just be done. I'm gonna be done.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Shout out Drake, shout out Mike.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Make it so funny, you know what i'maying. We' from Indiana.
So for you to make that type with the two
one nine.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
They was hot. Oh yeah, everybody who is the biggest rappit.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
From and then gives so far we don't have Yeah,
he dropping the products Gibbs too.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
I want to I want to go back to the
you know what I mean to the beginning, Poor Arthur sir,
who put the pill in your hands like when you
pick it up and frond a love for it.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
So I grew up and put out the texts a
small town.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
All my family worked the refinery, so I grew up
on the west side of my All my uncles, my cousin,
they all played basketball and the protect. You know, football
is big on Fridays, but when football is over, it's
that same energy transfers to basketball. So on Friday nights.
Growing up, there was one high school that we all
grew up went to. It's called Lincol High School. Everybody
have a Lincol High School and they used to win
state championships and grow up. So growing up I used

(07:55):
to watch them and go watch them play. So it
just I inherited from my uncles and cousins. But at
five years old, that's when they all knew I was good.
I had forty two points. I had forty points in
the forty two point game, and uh, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Say how many assistans?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
No, I didn't know what. I didn't know what it
was back there, but five years old, forty points, we
had forty two another kid that he scored on the
other two. And after that game, I start getting treated different,
you know what I'm saying, by coaches, by my uncles,
by everybody. And uh, I didn't know I had it
at the time. I just thought I was just taller

(08:33):
and I was more athletic. But that's when it started.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
At uh damn, my memory kicking in a little bit
ninety five. Did y'all want to you led them to
the chip at Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
High School state championship?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (08:43):
That was your junior year, My junior year. Okay, how
was that? I want another question though, to just two part,
like I want you to talk about that. But is
it any other pros that come from Lincoln?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
No, so BJ Tyler had a two year stint. He
would up going to Texas. Yeah, and he had a
two extent, but nobody. The crazy part about it is
is a town that's fifteen minutes away called Baumba, Texas,
and the high school coach I had at the year.
We want to state championship. Ended up getting another kid

(09:14):
that ended up going to high going out of high
school as well, and ended and went in the state
championship as well, Kendrick Perkins. So we got the same
high school coach, you, Yeah, we got the same time.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
I'm talking about Kendrick dribbling down the street and at thirteen,
when he was sixteen fifteen, he was that big, but
he was getting it off the rim and bringing it
up like he had all that before he got the
Boston Now he had all that.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Bro Now I remember him with the unclean soldier. Him
and Borrow linked up as you like, Nah, he went
to the hospital. You got it. You gotta be nice.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
So you just you just hoopedush your guys at Lincoln.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
We don't want the chip, but yeah, like we had
the guys I played with. We've been knowing each other
from elementary all the way to high school. So leaving
them my SENI my senior year was something I didn't
want to do. What made coach Smith come grab you?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Josh Passler up being the coach for Memphis and Georgia Tech.
He was my AU coach. He was the same angor
as accident. Yeah, coach. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, he was our coach.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Bro. He drove to my hometown. Let me till I
met Josh. So I was killing Texas basketball, but I
wasn't ranked too high. So he drove to my hometown
in the middle of the ghetto during the daytime where
it's crack being so nigga smoking all kind of shaft.
He pulls up by himself. Everybody back. I think it's
the police, like who are you looking for? And he
caused my name, So I'm like, I don't know. You

(10:28):
don't put me on the blast in front of the homies,
like you know what I'm saying. And he was like, nah,
my name is Josh Passler. I go to Kingwood to
have my own age.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
How old are you?

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Brothers, Like, I'm seventeen. Told me as AU team wanted
me to come play on this team. I'm like, Bro,
I ain't got no money, ain't no car, I can't
get to Houston. He drove Bro three times a week
from Houston, which is I wouldn't have picking me up.
I would have back to practice and I won't have
back then I won't have back to go to school.
The next day. He did this shit three times a
week just so I can have a chance to play
AAU basketball. And his dad had a relationship with he

(10:59):
worked for red He was a big wig in the
Red Cross and he had a relationship with Steve Smith.
So he started coming at AAU games. And Uh, I
remember trying out. This is the school year finish start,
and I'm on the football field running trying to for football.
I'm running routes. Got to pass on. I ain't thinking
about basketball yet. My mom coaching, my uncle come around
the corner. I'm like, ah, Ship, this can't be good.
Like take that shit off. You're going to Okill. I'm

(11:22):
going to Okill for what I want to we can
go back to back. I'm trying to say, like, nah,
your ass stay here, You're going to jail. You know
what I'm saying, Cause I stayed in trouble. I stayed
in trouble around that time, so I didn't see what
they was doing for me at the time.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I was hard, heited, I wanted to be home with
my friends, and uh, sending me okay was the best
thing that ever happened to me. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
And we just had to move on saying, I know
we had a little bit of this conversation with who
your top five? You know, so who y'all started five?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
You're taking oak Hill, Brandon Jennings, Okay, DJ at the one,
Rondo m hm, I'm sorry. I got to go small
BJ Ronald because they were just that good when it
was there. We're talking about Ed Okill, Yes, sir, h Nello,

(12:07):
Josh k d tough, that's that's crazy five.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I got to give you on though. Was the problem
too nasty Tripp monster.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
And it's quite as kept he don't get spoken on that.
But no one was killed out there too.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Nolan is a winner, Yes, sir, you know what I'm saying.
Nolan is a winner.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Shout. I know, none as the one. You know, even
that dude, he brought the winning field. No, just a winner,
but he was solid.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Sure, we got to talk about it, man. One of
our favorite o gs, Mike Bibbie, that's my real brother.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
That was when I first got my rookie year. He
was out.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Oh my god, people in the world.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Bro Let me let me tell you how close me
and Mike is. I My wife talked about natuation when
that I had it was end up getting married and
end up calling the wedding off at the right you
read to start because my wife was signed to my
fiance at the time, was signing the prenup and I
was hurt at the time, I was crying. Afterwards, I
was hurt because then all this stuff, my family was there.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
It was just a lot on me.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Mike Mom came and wiped snock from my nose and
from my face with a bad hands and told me
I became a man. That That's when I knew she
she really loved me. So for his mama to do
that to me, I let y'all know how tight we are.
You know what I'm saying That his mama is really
the reason why I made it to the NBA.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
That's real. That's hard, bro. How did I even link
up though?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Like so high school, we both signed with Arizona, so
we both was going we had the number of recruiting
class that year, and the first semester I actually stayed
with him on campus because I couldn't pass the test.
I I wudn't even going to the I wasn't even
going actually to take it. I was just like, I'm
they're gonna have to just give me the grade or something,
And I took the tests a couple of times and

(13:53):
still couldn't pass it. Where I end up after the
first semester, they had to kick me off campus. So
his mo mom had got together, was like, he can't
come back to put on like that, that ain't it? Like,
So she my mama, let me stay with her and
I worked out with his older brother Dane. They was
taking me to workout every day. And one morning she
woke me up like get your shoes, and Dange wasn't there,

(14:14):
so I'm like, what're we going? So like just get
your shoes and we in the car. She ended up
driving me to the Phoenix Sons Arena where they play
it now, and we walked them. I'm looking at her
like because when we drive in, like she didn't have
to say a name to you know, normally you got
to have a pass up. She just waved out and I'm.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Like, yeah, poor like that his motherfucker my hard.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah. So we come down and pull and she know
she had had already talked to Danny Ainge and to
bring me down there to play pickup, and Jason Kidd
immediately embraced me. He ended up picking moments team and
that's when I was young, So I was catching lives
and all kinds of shit. I was going crazy in there.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Off high. I was high, and all that going I was.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I was wrong. And after I played, Danny ain't told
me that they had they had one pick in the
draft of the second to the last pick, but the
roster was full. But they're like, you know you played
well up today that we're gonna draft you and guarantee
you twenty fifty thousand, but we're gonna see you the CBA. Nigga,
I was drafted. In my mind, I'm in the league.
I didn't you get damn fifty thousand. All that Nigga's good,
let's go, you know what I'm saying. But once you

(15:13):
get in the dough, you notice tm J T. Once
you get in the dough, you good. And I got drafted.
I bounced overseas, but my name was in that system.
You know what I'm saying. For getting drafted, that's all
I needed. And that all the Mike to Mike Mom, that's.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Dope, bro. I didn't know. Danna Angel said boss too.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
That's one of the people I fried. You know, you
don't like to talk about it because you keep saying
we was on the same teams, like.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
That's god man, But I fried, Like.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I feel like they said said if I didn't, I said,
I fried everybody else.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
That was there.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, that's my dog, that's my dog. I had a
great day that day. I was young and hunger. I
had a great day that day. That's hard bro a
great day. How was that?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Overseas stint though? Like, where'd you go?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
First? I went to I went to Venezuela. First, tell
you about my first day of Venezuela, which is crazy.
I get there automatically didn't go because you know, I've
never been out the country, being up a small time
and put off that. I like, I'm you're going to
Venezuela fresh out of high school, played basketball like my
mom was terrified. I get there the first day. They
picked me up and uh, they take me straight to practice.

(16:17):
And it's like a bridge probably like a mile ahead
of us. So now when we get to come around
the corner's the bridge is traffic. So everybody going slow.
So he he trying to figure out why is the traffic.
When we get to under bridge, it's a fourteen year old,
this small kid by fourteen fishes old land on the
ground here, just jumped off the bridge. That's my first
day up. So I'm looking out the window seeing the
dead body. My first day in Venezuela. Damn. I'm like,

(16:37):
I'm like, I can't tell you. I'm not gonna take
this ship. I can't.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
You know what I'm saying. Call my ma, Mama, my mama.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
G I'm like, Mama, as soon as I'll tell everything
I see, I'm like, I ain't even do that. She's like,
so what you're gonna come what You're gonna come back
home and do the ain't gonna be in miles you look.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So I'm like, damn, I.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Can't. I was. I was the food. I was bro
bro to be honest, I ode ill served at the
age of seventeen twice before I got to Mike sou
I was so I needed a lot of change.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know what I'm saying, A lot.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's why I credit so many people, you know what
I'm saying in my life because if I didn't have
all these people, I wouldn't be here right now. Real
yeah story right there.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
So So when you actually got on the court, that
is crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
How was that though, and Venezuela was cool because you know,
I was playing basketball, I was making money. I wasn't
making much, you know what I'm saying. I wasn't with
my wife then, but I made thirty thousand dollars. The
women were so beautiful, and Venezuela I left all my
money that was doing.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I'm just keeping it.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I had never been out of the country, and you
take a little ghetto nigga from put Out bringing to
Venezuela where they breathed Miss Americas. You know what I'm saying,
I lost it. I don't keep poting. I lost. I
probably came back to like eight dollars, ten dollars. I
lived it all there, you know what I'm saying. A
brick of weed that had they say your brickle weed
had seeds in it. It was, but you like two
hundred dollars. So I was getting the chicken. I had

(18:00):
had to give me a pack of new Ports a box,
put all the cigarette the tobacco, and stuffed the weed
and all of them.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
So I had packed some cigarettes. But when it was
all weed.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So I was enjoying myself out there. I was eighteen nineteen.
I didn't know what to do. I wasn't thinking about
saving no money and going home, nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
It was. It was a great experience, but my mind
still was like, if I'm having fun here, imagine what
I'm gonna have when I get to the league. Bro.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
If I can enjoy this, I can enjoy anything. So
that's how I feel when I first went to Miami. Yeah,
I ain't going back to now.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I've heard a lot with oh No and you. Joe
just the best, said Lord, I like this stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Overseas.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I've been bens wading for six months. I played two
years in Dominican Public Dominican Republic, won the championship there,
played in Australia, broke my foot in Australia, and show
France for like two weeks. I couldn't stand it because
the smell and they just they just wasn't taking care
of themselves, you know what I'm saying, Like the gym,
all that stuff like it wasn't something I wanted to
be a part of.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
I was that transition from you know, the overseas world.
Now you I don't want to mess it up like
I think he went to New Jersey first. Yeah, yeah,
so you went straight to New Jersey. How was that
like transition?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Well for me, I broke both of my feet.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Uh. The second time I broke my foot, I was
was the last day of cuts for the Bulls, and
I made the team. Like I went from not being
on the having a pinion in the Pendy Jersey to
the last day I got on the purple I mean
the regulationship.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Like, you know what I'm saying, I'm with the starters.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
So when if you went the starters last day when
they got two people making the team, you basically know
you're making the team.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Broke my foot the day of last cuts, going for
a leg, broke my foot, called my mama again, but
this time I was crying like a little bit to
my ball and like maybe this ain't it.

Speaker 3 (19:59):

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I broke both my feet, like going through all the ship,
maybe I gotta do something else. And it wasn't nothing
else for me to do because I wasn't smart, you
know what I'm saying. I wasn't prepared to go to
school and get a job and those ship like that.
She's like, so what you're gonna do. You're gonna come home,
You're gonna heal up, and you're gonna get back out there. Mama,
she wouldn't let me sit in that ship.

Speaker 3 (20:17):

Speaker 1 (20:18):
She wouldn't let me sit in that ship, even though
she was hurt too, because she she's seen it on
me like I was dead though, you know what I'm saying.
I was there, bro, I feel to make the team.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
I'm here. All the hardwork is over.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I made it and that ship happened the day of
and uh I was devastated for a while.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Bri, I ain't gonna lie. I stayed home.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I had to play basketball for like eight months, didn't
do nothing, and I didn't think I you know, I
didn'tink I ever play again.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Okay, crazy, you gotta go.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
You go from that feeling to being the NBA champions.
Them they're crazy though, So what made you start hooping again?
Like obviously he said your mom was pushing you.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Well, I got an opportunity to play summer League with Vancouver.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I got opportunity to play Mike.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Mike came went to Vancouver, and uh I went out
that with Mike and I ended up playing some league
with them, and I was busting Sharip abdu Ram, that's
my boy. I was.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
I was hungry, bro. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I was hungry.

Speaker 3 (21:09):

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I was. I was hungry. And I was out there shining, shining, shining,
preseason shine and practice shining. And they cut me.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm like, God, damn, I'm like what I got to
do about?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Like it? Is it? I'm starting to learn the game too, though,
the posess, the political side of basketball.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
It ain't about how good you is. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
You got to fit in with You got to fit
in with the team, and they want you to buy in.
I wasn't buying inn the ship at that time.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
You know what I'm saying. I was.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I wasn't coachable and none of that.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I was just raw.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Give me the ball, get out the way, let me
compete against my man. You know what I'm saying. I
didn't know how to run plays, none of that shit.
So so they was right for to be keep me punking.
They was right for cutting me because I was just
a raw basketball player. I was. I didn't know how
to play the game yet. You know what I'm saying,
but as time passed, I played in summer League with
a couple other teams, and I ended up getting an
invite to camp with New Jersey And that's all because

(21:59):
Steph Marberry and King Martin. Yeah, I ended up going
up to preach the pre camp and I ended up
playing Steph and King. King got the drafted number one
that year, and they came and watched his practicing, like
bringing the camp. The byron was asking to bring him
the camp and men Ken he birol the number. Me
and Keen I already knew each other, and being from Texas,
King just wasn't he Keen lead. I think he's a
year younger than me. He had an injury. He had

(22:21):
an injury going into that year, so he broke his foot.
He broke his foot, still got drafted number one, and
that's why he went plus why he wont practicing. So
but anyway, they got me in and once I got in,
you know, I just yeah, yeah, everything worked out for me.
I had number one. You got the number one pick
and the starting point guard on your side. You know
what I'm saying, It's kind of hard to.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Go who shows in the roads. What was that vent
that grabs you.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
It was it was stuff. So you know, me being
from Texas, we used to have the starch down pants,
but with a bitches can stand up. He was on
the pocket.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Ship kick.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
It did that.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
You you went to some workout and did you go
somebody in New York and said you was in the
gym and like literally took your fans off falls.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's like set them up. They really stood up like Harton.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
So I told you, so, look, I'm getting ready to
come in the draft. This is this. I knew what
I knew. Face was drafting me and they flew me
out to New Jersey to work out in New Jersey
gym with this guy name I forgot his name, but
he was working out our handthm time. This is my
first time meeting now was like set sixteen seventeen. Be'st
niggas the biggest dude I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I'm like this nigga in high school and.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
We ended up working out together. He actually work out
with him. So I wasn't planning on working out. So
I had on some jeans. I told you who takes,
So my shit was starched down talking about I pulled
them business off and just stood them up.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
I showed him.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I showed him to practice one day and Steph was like,
oh now, oh now a nigga. Steph took me. This
is a true story. Steph took me, brought me an
escalade this when Esclades first came out. Bought me like
ten pass of Tims baggy jeans. He brought me the
whole swagh. He like, man, take that shot off. He
made me take my jeans off and left and they
threw them in the trash. Win'm on state flow jeans

(24:08):
out here. I'm like, sh that's ship since we're.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Here, because I ain't gonna ain't gonna front. I used
to start my ship, okay, real ship, though I should.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Never stood how the fun was putting in the cleaners
and and you say heavy starts, you want heavy starts,
so start.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
You can see the iron print on the business.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
You just that just how we did it out next,
I don't want with the night back in the day
off the way from you had jeans on, you flipped
the bottom.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
You flipped the bottom.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah that you got it. And then your pass too
big hit with this one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
the one.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yeah, Okay, I remember that story. Y'all got it though.

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Speaker 1 (26:22):
When you get to Jersey, you start playing, like what's
that year for? You? Were like switch because the Stephen
Jackson I know, I don't. I don't remember Jersey and stuff.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
I know you from Fivecats, Yeah, from Golden State, you
know the spursanship of me was the guy the bodcast because.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
You was averaging twenty you was cooking. But when was
that year? If you were a click? But see that's
that's the difference. You play the game. You know the game.
If I would agree with you, because that was my
best year.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, that was my best years playing basketball.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
But New Jersey it clicked because when I got there
byron On was fucking with me and I ended up
starting my first first game of season. I ended up starting,
I end up making it I end up making a
Rookie All Star Game. I'm leading all rookies in storing,
even the number one pick that's on my team. I'm
leading all scoring going into the Rookie game. I come
back from the Rookie game, I don't play no mo
the rest of the season. Why do you think that

(27:09):
I have no idea? So for me, this is what
I think. So Byron had a son named Thomas Scott
that was the same age of me, and he was
there around the time, so I hung with him. I
was the youngest of him, so I hung with him
a lot, and his wife basically treated me like a son.
So I don't know if he thought that I was
hitting on his wife or something like that, but that's

(27:29):
that's the only thing I could think of, because that
the animosity that he showed to just stop playing me
with no kind of excuse, you know what. I don't
even talk to me about it, Like I thought it
had to be personal, you know what I'm saying. And
his wife was just she was a mother to me
because I was still young and she felt like I
needed some guys, and my mom appreciated. But I think
he took it the wrong way okay, yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
I got a story about when we play. You played
on the podcast.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
I'm gonna let you get to that because you want
a championship with the Spurs, so you know when you
were rookie, you're gonna play. Well, I didn't play, so
I'm talking at the end of the bench, so I
just yelled ship out. I can't remember who the point
guard with your team was. I think it might have
been light He went he went to.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
The basketball t was like, hell no, and he looks.
He looked at the intern shut your ass up. But
I'm laughing because now I got I got him start
like I'm getting under your skin. I can't play that
when I'm.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Mad, I can't play up.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
So I'm like, I'm gonna keep talking.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
So next time he comes he comes to the sideline,
I say something else like that ship off. He would us,
you know, talking ship but they starting knowing me and ship.
So now I'm standing up doing all the antique something
I ain't playing.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
So I'm trying to entertain myself. Really, So it gets
to the last shot of the game, right.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
One of the best storytellers, this nigga.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
So he got the wall on the wing bar bench.
So I'm like, mom, like, mo wk that ship up? Man,
he's Jack. Jack won dribble right hit the game winner.
I think you on the stands right on the stairs.
I'm like, oh, she was about to come from me.

(29:10):
I ran to the back of the locker room. I
was like, watch I come back out and shut the fuck.
I ain't gonna say that. That was my only game
winn in my career, was the only one that walk Off,
you know, walk Off hit the shot. I ran to

(29:32):
the back, like, oh, Ship came back there and shut
the funk up. I was like, I ain't gonna say nothing.
Who else was coach on that? You know? I ended
up making Off should have made it because Ship changed
when I got there. But I was happy for him
because that was really my partner in crime. Like I
felt like I was back with Ron our test, you
know what I'm saying, with Jerl on that wing and

(29:53):
were arguing about who guarding.

Speaker 3 (29:54):

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I love having another guy that's gonna compete on the
wing like that, Like playing with Ron was the best
ever bro run a test, Like I would never have
a teammate that could dominate on both fans of the
court every night if he wanted to. You know what
I'm saying, like running somebody who I feel like, as
a team, the only teammate that could have won m
v P and Defensive Player Year in the same year.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
And we're here with it. Listen, we are babies, man.
You know what I'm saying. We was locked in on
that Pacer stuff. Man, that day that that happened.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Nobody could believe that should happened at all.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
We didn't. I couldn't even believe it either, Bro, to
be honest.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
That was our championship year.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Though I ain't gonna thank you.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
We were smacking all four pistols that year. Bro.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
At the time, I played on the Pacers before and
that organization, everybody knew that was a year. Like even
when I came on the team, they didn't think we
was winting no championship year.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
They knew that riggie too, because that was the year
for us to win. You know what I'm saying that
that ship that won this ship happened five like five minutes,
fucked up our whole season, But we was beating the
ship out of them to bow out.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Ye, I was cracking everybody shipbod we.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Was pacers might never want to to get I mean
had an opportunity to get close like that.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I mean pg in them they were straight white. That
was the best team to me.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I know they went to the finals with Regid them,
but the team.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
We had was the best team. I had killers.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
I had killers, but from top to from all the
way around though, from one, two, three, five, like Jeff Foster, Jamano,
Neil Ron test Me, Regim Miller, Jamal Tesley, who had
Scott poll on sideline. We had fucking Fred Jones. Uh,
we had we had a mob, bro, we had a
solid mob. I don't I didn't see nobody beating us
in the seven game series at all. That what a

(31:36):
run on testing his right mind. Nah, it wouldn't happen now, y'all.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
That was the year.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
I just remember from that fight because Fred Jones, he
used to be in India a lot. He used to
litter for a minute. I used to always mess when
he would come hoop at the gym and ship when
he had that broom.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Everybody else whooping as it was the fun you do
it for, Sweet.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Fred Weeds Ben brother ended up.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
If y'all look at the film Ben Brother because I
think Benham has just lost somebody in their family. Before
the game, Ben Brother had ended up right behind Fred
and tried to knock his head. He turned into.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Fred got out of all this.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
He didn't get hit, and it was a big boy
he throwing a big boy like he moves on. It's
because if you look at the videos at the time
where they was paying it to everything happened and everybody else,
you don't see emotion.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
But Fred was in the stands ducking for his life.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
He was like, damn, My thing was why even go
out there?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know what I'm say, going and saying to me,
and like I really don't feel like we should have got.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Suspended like Ron maybe.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
But then again, if you think about, Okay, if somebody
we out at a restaurant and somebody throw a beer
on your face, that's the salt. You know what I'm saying,
You can press charges on them, right Not if you're
a black athlete, Yeah, I got not if you're a
black athlete.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
You can't. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
We was at work, bro, you know what I'm saying.
Anybody was getting saw to the work. They're not getting
in trouble. Why would we get in trouble because we
defended ourselves. And I have to say this too, when
you look at the tape I got, I got suspended
thirty games, got fined three million dollars, right, so if
you look at the tape, I ran up six rolls
to get and I grabbed run. If I was on

(33:12):
some bullshit, I could hit somebody on row one, two, three, four, five, six.
I wasn't on. I went up and I grabbed Ron
immediately look at the tape. As soon as I grab him,
they throw another beer in his face. That's the dude
I hit.

Speaker 3 (33:24):

Speaker 1 (33:25):
So that's why I'm feel like I shouldn't have I
shouldn't have got suspended for defending my teammate and being
you know what I'm saying. I didn't go Now, if
I went up there in the first row, hit a nigga,
second row, hit a nigga, like okay, yeah, kicking ass,
I have to leave. I didn't do that. You can't.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
You can't a leisure and all every.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
For real you and Jayo because Jao hit dude, he slipped.
But if he didn't slip, bro.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
And he's still left on the stretcher.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, the dude Jayo slipped and the dude still left
on the stretcher.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's how crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I'm glad. I'm glad he did. Oh my god, can
you imagine Jao teeing up and lining somebody up. What dude?
Clay Click kicked that off though, So no wrong was wrong.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
So I'm at the free throw line.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Look at the game.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
I'm at the free throw line.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I'm gonna tell you some shit that a lot of
people don't know. I'm at the free throw line. I'm
shooting the free throw. All I hear is you can
get your file back. And Jamal Tense is telling that
to Ron. I'm like, man, what we don't tell him that?
So I'm like, fuck it, I go you know what
I thought. I hit him, make the free throw. I
ran back. Look at the tape. I ran back fast

(34:39):
and jumped and guarded Ben just so wrong. Cann't file
him guarding Ben. I'm just letting Ben go score with
the termin and out go ahead. You know, I'm just
playing token defense. I ain't follow him go score wrong,
come from out of nowhere and file him hard. I'm like, oh,
being turned around and got ten times bigger nigga swilling.
I'm like that incredible.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
I'm like, boom, nigga run I thought run head came off.
My nigga pushed Ron ship back so fast. I'm about guy.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I've never seen a nigga put his hands in somebody's
face like that, though, and Ron just you know, he
tried to get himself together.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
I know he was kind of woozy.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
He had to be.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
He tried to get it something. We ended up breaking
it up.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
But if Ron would have never came up in five
Ben I was guarding him tip with the game would
have ran out. We'd have been out of you know
what I'm saying. But Jamal Sensey told it, bro, get
your file back from last year something in the finals
that I hadn't you know what I'm saying, didn't know
nothing about it, and I ended up in that ship
and that's how all that ship started off. That ship
would never happened. That's crazy, fuck bro crazy.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
I want to talk about them Spurs teams though, because
you played to me with the best fire for it
to ever do this.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I agree with you on that. Like, how was that point?
I know it was a couple of fun niggas on
the team. If you don't want to, I.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Met you.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I met you.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I keep it from Yeah, you ain't got to speak
on the bigges. How was that playing for Pop Bro
one of the graziest.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
So I say this and people think I'm crazy, But
Pop is not a great coach. Hold on, he's a
great leader, you know what I'm saying. See if you
look at the Spurs teams and look at all the
coaches that come under Pop, that's head coaching somewhere else.
Look at all the guys that came in and came
into Spurs organization. That was film guys, that's GMS and
President of the team, Sam Preston. All these guys right

(36:29):
all over the league. They so he Pop is a
great leader. When you when you play for the Spurs teams,
when you look at the timeouts, Pop has a When
I was there was an offensive coach and the defensive coach.
My offense coach was Mike Budd Newser He's been Coach
of the Year two years. Mike Brown. That was your guy,
Bud news Mike Brown and sant Sacramento. He was the

(36:50):
defensive coach. So doing timeouts they meet, but budd comes
in with offense, the time out, Mike comes in. That's
why That's why I say Pop is not a great coach,
He's a great leader. He leads the organization from the
top with everybody from the gym to the ball boys
to the camera guys. Everybody sneaking championship or bus right.
And you go to a lot of organizations where the

(37:11):
leader of the organization doesn't have the power to have
everybody buying into that. That's why I say he's the
best leader because he can. He can bring any coaches
in there, make them look good, and send them off
somewhere else with their head coaches. He got a guy
that was the film guy when I was there. He's
the head coach of the Utah Jazz. Now you know
what I'm saying. So Pop, That's why I say he's
a leader. He's not a great coach. He brings he

(37:33):
brings great coaches under him. But he's a great leader.
And I don't think it's a better leader in the NBA.
But my time there was a blessing because I learned
how to be a professional. I learned the NBA has
more than just playing basketball. I learned how to prepare
you know what I'm saying. I learned how to be
a man because Steve Smith. He showed me how to
be a man with David Robinson. But not having Tim
Duncan there, I don't think I ever would have played.

(37:53):
I would have got an opportunity to be on the court.
When I first got there. Everybody don't know Tim is
the action junky. So he playing paintball. He's like, he
like he got he got a thing. He had a
case full of guns, like he he do UFC training,
like he wanted those action type guys.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
He like ashes.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
So when I first got there, he needed somebody to
go play paintball with him. Yeah, I know that's right
up my alley.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
You're talking about throwing Jesus whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Ship Samples used to wear. Crazy. That's the worst one ever,
the worst. Let you know. He didn't give a respect though.
He liked to play paintball. So I showed him, you know,
I showed him paintball with Diggie's on Chuck. He's like, boy,
you can't. You got to have some comfortable shoes like this,
ain't you know we can do a drive by. He's like, nah,

(38:43):
this ain't it. But you gotta get elbow passed. So
I used to go play with him, so training camp
this funny story. So we go play and like, I
ain't scared of ship, like I really ain't. Besides God,
I ain't scared of no human. I ain't scared of nothing.
That's just my problem. That's why I've probably been so
much ship. And the name of the game is you
got to go grab the flag in the middle. So

(39:05):
I'm like, ain't nobody gonna go grab the flag? Yeah, nigga,
scary that. I dropped my gun, hall ass teach, So
I'm just start playing. So I didn't know they had
masks that don't fog up. I'm not hip to that.
I'm just, you know, I'm just trying to have on
some ghetto ship. My mask fogged up. I gotta run

(39:25):
up the steps.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Boom boom.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Nigga, shoot me, Nigga, I got it, Nigga. I missed
the last step and my mask lder uh, nigga, blood everywhere, Nigga,
my mouth, I'm talking, My shit is so swollen. Nigga's
blood everywhere, my tooth and went to my lip. All
kind of ship, right, So I slipped my mask down

(39:47):
and I'm running down trying to tell the niggas I
hit my mouth. These nigga shoot. I'm like, they shoot
me and they think it's paint, but it's blood and
it took over all my whole shirt. So I'm like, man,
stop me. You know what I'm saying, bleed par real.
So we gotta go to practice the next day. I mean,
with Tim, we lift and waives Pop coming out. What
happened this when Tim fuck with me? I mean, I

(40:10):
was playing at the house with my homeboard flat box.
You know what I'm saying, The straight up lied. Tim
thought I was gonna say. You know what I'm saying,
straight up live to Pop nigga. You know, Pop knew
I was lying. He knew that shit. Ever since then,
Tim bosh for me doing practice put I wasn't playing.
I was on practice squad. Put me on the first

(40:31):
five with him to day he tell her, So Seattle,
We're playing in Seattle. One day, it's been like twenty
five games into the season. I'm coming off the bench
on averisent by eighteen off the bench at the time. Yeah,
I'm killing to it. Yeah, getting to off the bench.
You know what I'm saying, Playing probably like twenty five
minutes and pop cars like, come to my room. I'm like,

(40:52):
I get in this room, Tim and there I'm like, yep,
they know they know we're gonna start you tonight. Okay,
get kicked off the team. We're gonna start you tonight.
You know you've been playing well, I'm like, okay, cool,

(41:14):
but that on wasn't That depends the work hardest part.
I told you Steve Smith was my o G. So
I was taking his spot. So you know, I walk
in the locker room, I'm like, walk by him, don't
want to speak to him like this o G. Like,
I don't know how he's gonna feel like, Hey, you
gooted for me. I'm rooting you the same way like
he was a real It was like, we don't do that.

(41:34):
I'm root for you just the way. It ain't personal,
you know what I'm saying. I didn't understand that I
wasn't a professional then, you know what I'm saying. But
for him to do that, it gave me the conference
to go out there and play. So shout to Steve Smith.
But that's how I ended up really getting on the
court and getting a chance to play was because the Tim,
because Tim kept vouching for me. Was that this was so,
this is O three yep, did you want to chip?
And that finals was crazy. I remember you having one

(41:55):
of the colts in and outs every like I was
aware who you.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Was, Kenny Martin, and I ever seen in all life.
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
And I ain't I'm just not. I'm not like teaching.
I ain't the greatest handler.

Speaker 3 (42:07):

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I can control my ship. But some ship had come
out there now instinct.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
You know what I'm saying. The niggas do this on purpose.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
You know what I'm saying. My ship just came off instinct.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
I remember that that was one of the hardest thing
I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
That was crazy. But man, like I said, we have
town babies, and y'all was going crazy. And to see
it at the same time the coast is going crazy.
How was that the night life in the city because
the city ain't been the same since, But how was
that energy in the city when the coast is killing,
y'all killing, and everybody was outside and jail had the
clubs and had our own club every night, Sir.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Seven seven, shout out McAfee. Bob Sanders, Bob saying the
whole nine. It was the line.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
It was the line back of the name.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
No no no, no no no.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
White.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Freenie g next up with m That was my dogs.
They always out. We was all out together, bro. That
was my first That's probably the only time that I've
been in the city as the football team and we
hung together every night. I didn't do that to know
other city that that team. Those two teams were basically

(43:15):
like family, broke cause we supported each other, you know
what I'm saying. I think I stayed right next door
to Tony Dungeon, and the night I got hit by
the car, that was the first person at my house
when I got home from getting stitched up.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
He was the first person.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Knocked on my door, Tony Dungeon. So I think just
the fact that a lot of the guys stayed in
the same neighborhoods and we support that.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
It was just dope.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
And then it was a lot of guys on the
team that grew up like us, you know what I'm saying,
Andrew James, they grew up from the struggle too, So
it was it was a great connection. Bro. You ever
hear Riverside on a Sunday. I sure did.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Set all here. Theseggas, they're gonna make.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
It families everywhere. That's so crazy. We had a sheriff
came to my house. Jail had a sheriff come to
the house and give all of his gun license after that. Yeah,
that's yeah, that's why I felt like that they had

(44:12):
a gun Like kids untouchable, I'm gonna get off, get off, And.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
It was crazy as a kid.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
That that's how going.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Like you would see Jamali and the random s places,
Freshman all Fresh and Helf Fresh White T, Fresh Forces,
Fresh j Brother.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Cut my hair and he wore he wore Fresh Path Ones.
J T even practiced in the Fresh Path ones one day.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Solid that's untied. How was that like playing with him?

Speaker 6 (44:41):
He's under another point guard for sure, that's super underrated.
He was THEMN there to me before right for Austin
like the one type of player you know. So how
was that playing with Jamal.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
One of the best post up guards you could ever
play against. His post game was underrated and as far
as his passing and bar handling, you ain't gonna find
too many guys that's gonna do. The playground ship in
the game that he would do you know what I'm saying,
He'll he'll post up and turn around and throw it
through the guy legs on the box right down to
on the box once you threw his legs like. He
was doing stuff like that. So he was very probably

(45:14):
the most besides Baron David was the most creative person
with the ball I play with, and uh, like he's
very underrated. I just think because he the way he
played it was slow. He didn't give the even give
the effort all the time on defense like that, So
people kind of knocked him for that.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
As far as talent, he had it all six.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, probably a little taller, he looks.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
He looked real little on them.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
It just got the ball on.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, he could pass, like.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Especially when the coach he is playing for him to
play the way he played under that coach at the time, Yeah,
because LB wasn't going for that. Yeah, so for him
to get that off, that's why. Yeah, we got some
inner City.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
Outside of Tim Duncan. Who the best player you ever
played with? Tim got to be one.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Tim is the best I played with.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
If I have to go, it's out a run and
jo I got Barren number three, But it's out of
Ron and jail for too, because I seen Ron do
some amazing things on that court, Like it's dominated on
both sides of the court. And I seen Jermaine Damnar
to get seventy points. You know what I'm saying one night, So.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
People sleep on used to get bucket broad don't happen.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
He's in the Hall of Fame already. That don't happen.
But run Roun's a Hall of Famer, So I give
you that.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
I want to talk about that Warriors team though, yeah,
that's probably I don't know. I ain't gonna say the
most fried team.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
On record, that's the if we're not the most burnout
team in the.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Indiana team Charlotte, I mean the Golden State team was
probably the most burnout team ever in life.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Yeall made basketball fund though, Like watching y'all was like, damn,
that looks fun.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
But just imagine a whole bunch of people you grew
up knowing high school. Y'all hit up on the same
NBA team. Y'all got a coach Donnie that the first
day I get there, just how he tell me and
Bettie we captains. He brings us to this little hole
in the wall, talk about I'm gonna take out to
this hole in the wall bar to play shuffle board.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Who knows what shuffle board is.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Niggas don't know what that is, right, I'm like cool,
whatever we get there, it's with the sand, the little
metal balls and you slider time, you know what I mean.
So we didn't play the ship at all. This nigga
got a bottle of scotch and got me and bet
piss it drunk, talk about the to the Betie, blinking
our eyes and as we had like the fifth shoddy
tablets up, Larry, come on, Larry, hey, you guys are captains,

(47:38):
and he stumble out. We roll with him. We called,
we called the we called the driver from the and
him and last. So he left with me this SMI
beaty sent at the bar like nigga talking about drunk
because I don't drink scotch. We're sitting there waitting like
I guess we captains.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
We had to buind our way home.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
So that day we we knew that this all now
we coach. When we took our last drug test, me
and Bed coming out of the locker room with our
pink slip because they get your pink slip. I did
take you test my head coaches out like this, given
it's high five, come out. Yeah. Yeah, we already smoking

(48:19):
because we live in the same building. But he giving
us high five. That's what that's listen to explaining how
our team was. You know what I'm saying, man, and
our best friends. When we got that Montella didn't have
a tattoo. You look at him now, your whole body tattoo.
He had one tattoo that was Matt. The best Matt
thought right there that boys did that to my taste,
is that you.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
And Matt first time linking up. Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
So that's how me and Matt became close. When his
mom died, you know what I'm saying, I stayed with
him the whole time. You know what I'm saying, We
really became But his mama died fast too from cancer,
and uh, instead of me going home doing those little
breaks shit, I just stayed with him. And that's what
that's That's how Barnes started. Didn't start with the podcast
started way before that in Golden State. But that team
bro was just a whole bunch of guys that been

(49:01):
knowing each other. We get a chance to play together.
We didn't think we was gonna make the playoffs and
no ship like that. We were just hungry and you know,
playing hard and playing for each other. Good shit happened.
Y'all was going out every night, every night. But it's
not one city. Let me tell you the story of
New Year's. We're in Houston on New Years. We had
just beat the Rockets, right, so this is a typical

(49:21):
night with us. So this is New Year's. We beat
the rockets. We in the club. It's about club like
an hour two for being closed.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
By this time.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Our whole team is drunk, so everybody has a role.
So I passed out the Bandanna, so everybody got a
red band downers. I don't know why Nbad's trip everybody. Okay,
Matt rot Mad is the drunk, pretty white boy, so
we all drunk niggas and white beat us. He run
around ripping niggas, white beat us off like some I

(49:52):
don't know some school days type I don't know old schools,
and I don't know some drunk white boys sh no
niggas and the half niggas drunk half wife beat his.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Own half farf right.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
So normally it's my job to find Baron Davis. If
you don't find Baron Davis, it's gonna be a night
that we're gonna remember all we we're gonna regret it.
So I end up getting too fucked Uphy. I lose
barn and I get tapped by one my home. I
was like, bro, look your boy like what He on
his way to the DJ so look as soon as

(50:29):
he grabbed the microphone my homebore Coppo tech d Finnig.
Get us all to night, get us all the dated,
so I said, He grabbed the mic, stopped the music. Hey,
we're the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
We come to the city.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
We take y'all bitches. We beat our team. What's up,
Luther Head? Because we gang bang? And he paused, And
we sell drugs. I told you, I told you. I'm like,

(51:10):
oh man, somebody gonna get this. This is New Year's
in Houston. So every drugs, this is the time we
get outside. Police everywhere. The police is everywhere. You know what,
I'm saying, peep outside that to fight or something. So
we all coming out, you know, we deep and the
police saying something to us. This nigga betells the police

(51:32):
stand down. I am an honorary captain. I have this
under control. Stand down. This nigga told HP to stand down.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I am an honorary captain.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
We was out there dying dog. That was one of
the best. Nice but that's the type of night used
to have every night, thog. Every night everybody had a
different niggas called Jay rich Don Julio.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
That was his favorite drink.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Then we was drinking back there. Yeah, yeah, we was
going because I.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Heard them stories about yourn rogers. Didn't know how y'all
got up and still one out in handle business.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Miami night we played Orlando. Beat We beat Orlando. We
fly straight to Miami on the back to back. We
stay out till seven thirty in the morning. The whole team,
we all just go straight from the club to the bus.
We get on the busy Eric at the time, he's
one of the best trainers in the league for the war,
so he brought all our stuff on the bus. So
everybody on the bus with the clothes that had on

(52:30):
from the game Orlando. That's crazy. We go to shoot
around Nellie walk out. There's about two people on the
court shooting everybody else those office like alcohol. He's like
held break it and bring it ahead, We bring it
and he's like, make go get back on the bus
and we better win the night. One by thirty d

(52:54):
wading him, that's crazy one by thirty. I thought we
parted when I was a rookie on Atlanta with bill Yonaim.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, I know he was comfortable talking about that, but
I just hear about yad.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
That's what made me sponge to y'all because I'm a Friday.
Got the NBA is a joke.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I ain't if I would have took the game more series.
I probably had a couple of All Star games, you
know what I'm saying, without the broad ship. But I
don't change it for not because I enjoyed my career. Bro,
your legend and I played with some solid brothers too.
How was that?

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Can you speak on that?

Speaker 5 (53:29):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
That Maverick series though?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
For me, Bro, I I watched that series a lot
because I didn't get the credit from the team for
what I did.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I saved us in the Western Conference finals. I saved us.
Bro Genobilie was the only person that was was being
solid Tony.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Tony wasn't playing well because they were playing they had
to bring speedy classes in. Tim was getting doubled, so
he really couldn't get off and they was all they
weren't really doing that. So if you look at the games,
I'm making all the big shots, even when we have
we're going through droughts, I'm the only one scoring.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
So when the last when it came.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
To game six, when they end up putting Steve Current
and hit throws fourth, it was big for us. Well,
look at the whole games, the whole game and was
still making big shots for him to give him the
MVP at the end of the game, like that shit
crushed me. And the only reason that I don't talk
about this a lot because Genobi came to me when
I was in my locker. I was about to start crying,
but he came like, bro, you deserved the MVP. For

(54:26):
him to tell me that I was cool because that
was the only person on the court that whole series
that was riding with me. You know what I'm saying,
And it meant a lot. But I watched that series
a lot brough because I don't feel like I got
the credit I deserved for that series. I was busting
the ass and I was high every game, every game,
every game.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
You a legend now I want to talk about that
Maverie series with you would.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Go though, Oh okay, oh yeah, after talking about the
one with the Spirst, so so that that one was
special because a lot of people don't know don Nelson
was suing them. Oh damn, damn. You know he had
he had some the contract shit with Mark Cuban, so
he was suing them during that time, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
So his whole his whole idea was every time I
played Dallas, I want.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
To beat them.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I don't care about nothing else. And he knew Dirk's
game better than anybody. So he gave us the blueprint.
Make him go right. If he go left, he got
so he can fade away, he got. But if going right,
he don't even want to. He don't want to put
the ball down. Damn. So me and Matt made sure
we made him go right every time, and we were
super physical with him. You know what I'm saying. Dirk
wasn't super physical. If you let him get the shot off,

(55:34):
that's your ass. Nothing you can do, you know what
I'm saying. There's nothing you can do. And he want
MVP that year. He was the MVP that year. That
was the best team in the West. So I just
think Donnie Nelson prepared us so well for them, you
know what I'm saying, Because that's all because after we
beat them, he didn't care about the rest of the season. Nigga.
We was preparing ourselves for the second round. Gets you talk.

(55:55):
He didn't give a fuck. He was sharting up with
Folk cigars in his pocket.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Eight in the month.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
He got drinking beer and shit. He didn'tet, but damn
dog after he beat Dallas and that was his ship, bro,
and we understood that why.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
We want to win so hard.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
But if we don't have Baron Davis the way he
played Game one, we don't win that series in Dallas.
He went crazy that game one, Bro, thirty some points
like he was and he kept all shots, was timely,
so cold.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
He's one of the coldest point guards.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
That's one of these shouts of myg he loved.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Yeah, he didn't want to tell me. I didn't watch
the NBA like that. And him and give the rings
was the first some of the first point guards I watched.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
B He don't get hurt. He might go down to
top ten point goar whatever. He don't get hurt because athletics,
he had it all.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
He could score, that's all.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Like he was mad.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
I said he had a b BL.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
But you know he needs to show up with practice,
with his knee braises on top and sweat. So this

(57:04):
is what I started fucking. I used to watch you
do the show with Skip Bas and Ship. Used to
go in there and be real and never what time
you talk about everybody you was better than and everybody
was mad at you. I was like, no, he just
competent as fuck. Thank you, broank you like I didn't
have a better career in rayality, But if you look
at the games I played against a lot of these people,
I balled out a lot of we might not have

(57:26):
won the game with my matches with a lot of
these people who y'all look up to, I bust. They
asked a lot of knights and lock them up, and
you can go look at the games. I'm not making
it up, but I'm not like I said, I didn't
have better careers than these people. But I'm a competitor.
And when it came to the game, yeah, I wasn't
a better shooting than Ray, but I better postal player,
I passed better. I was a better defender. I was
a lot of things better than him on the court,

(57:47):
you know what I'm saying. So as a player, people
understand as a fan that like you just hating, But
I did it in real time.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I don't think you was hating messages.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
You know. And I admit they have better careers than me.
I wouldn't. I'd have a better career events either, But
Benson tell you I had some great games against it.
But they understand it's different when you just be like,
let's go roll the ball out, Like it's a bunch
of people to probably bust my ass. They probably don't
have a better career than me, but it ain't too
many people can stand in front of you so that
they lose right there. Yeah, just like Jordan Crawford, Like

(58:18):
that's my man. But if you roll the ball out,
let's just go hoop. Yeah, he'll funk around, give you fifty. Yes,
he could score, yeah, but like three, yeah, you know
what I mean, Like he'll roll the ball out, he'll
get buckets and a lot of people can't outscore.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Was a motherfucker though he was.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
He was walking down down, and I love you, Jack,
that nigga Jesus shuttles word.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Was the truth for him to transition his career from.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
Because we grew up Milwaukee Bucks supersonic real and for
him to go strictly just shoot her.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I remember, you know what I mean. I don't know
how he was off the court, but Jesus shows.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Word, not Hughes cut was. It was athletic bro and.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
He he Loki had a handle to pull up off
the dribb. Milwaukee was out of control, was scoring twenty
five a night with another nigga with Charlan Lewis another
motherfucker that people don't speak.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
On like thought.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
I took it as you was talking about we rolled
the ball out and it ain't no place we don't got.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
I knew how, I knew what about you meant like,
we just.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Put the ball out here. I can kill him too,
and any given night I could be better than any
one of them guys.

Speaker 6 (59:27):
So so speaking on that though, you know you was
known for defending the ship. Who is the hardest or
you can give us two hardest of the guard, Kobe,
not even close?

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Who else? Stuff one person?

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Because I guarded you got mello, Yeah, I got a mellow.
I got a mellow pretty good. I got a mellow
pretty good because you know, I played one through four,
so I go to Power Force too. Yeah, but I
think for me, if it ain't Kobe.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
Somebody that nobody would think they used to God damn
this nigga, Cold Brandon, motherfucking Roy Roy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I had problems with that nigga. We used to go
at it though, but he was different, Bro, like no injury.
He wanted the cold as ever. One of my favorite
shoot gards of ball like that. Hands down, b Roy
is one of the best basketball players I've ever had
to guard.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I was not even close. He get this fly slot
on this show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Show both y'all both played in the city and lived
to see at the same time. You know what I'm saying,
You did a little bit before you did to see
the city is now. But how was it to be
in the city as it was growing until the meccan
was now? And then how was it playing when it
was already lit?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
On the come up? I can't. I came three. It
was beautiful because it was Atlanta. Was that it was
that it was at its height, it was at his
height around the time. You know what I'm saying, that's
when BMF was doing a thing. The rap scene was
was sid of everybody. But that time, it wasn't no
beef like you got people beefing now, like everybody support

(01:01:03):
each other, Everybody hung out together, everybody went to saying.
When Adams had a party, everybody was there. Like back then,
everybody was having a good time. And I think it
was because of people like Meach because when he used
to come in to clubs, he coming with cup but
it wasn't no it wasn't no problems, Like he used
to buy bottles for everybody in the section. So you
know what I'm saying, Like everybody was having a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Back then.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
It wasn't no competition, you know what I'm saying, like
it is now and the different hoods beefing. So the
club and the party was, it was the best time
to be in Atlanta, Bro, it was the best time
to be in Now is just you know, it's just
too much with the pills and the drugs and when
the kids killed. You know what I'm saying, like it's
just the blind leading the blind now. But back then,
at that height, Magic City Club, Miami and all that shit.

(01:01:47):
Back then, Bro, Atlanta was beautiful. You you wanted to
be in Atlanta, and even when I got here, it
was still fun. You got here, I got here, oh no,
oh nah, yeah, I still was having fun.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Like I remember the first the first time that I
really well it was twine Walker was there the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
He showed me some good time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Man, I go to Magic City. I ended up going
in there and he got a briefcase. It's I ain't
you know from in the Annapolis, I ain't never seen
a briefcase full of ones. They bring the briefcase out
to me, open up things with ten thousand ones or something, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
They liken get that. Every Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
He like, young fella.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
He told me a thousand dollars, young fella and smooth
like that's my o G. I'm like, yeah, it's different.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
He come very Monday Monday. But we stayed in there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Shout out to the a. They stayed in them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I see. It was safe. It was safe.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
You ain't got around no cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
You know what I'm saying. You like some of my
Magic City, man, Well, it was like you don't hear
no stories that you've never heard, no stories about no
bullshit going on the Magic city because everybody was protecting
and safe. Everybody had a good time. Yeah, I seen
you what a couple of times showing a little you
be chilling. I was like, I ain't realized you was
that tall. Like when I got.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Drafted, I ain't realized niggas was that tall?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
You know? Yeah, point, I'm six and one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
I played the two sometimes when I got here and
I seen him, I'm like this nigga six' eight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Like like, man, I ain't got no chance. Man, I
played the two sometimes cue he comes just running around niggas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I gotta ask me, like you said all the smoke man,
you and Matt went crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
How was that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
And I'm saying y'all had a relationship. Now y'all come
as business partners, like you said, trail bladers in the
situation with y'all knuckleheads. To see how y'all started to
where you is now? Man, Like, what's think about? How
is that feeling?

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
To see how y'all progress so far?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
It ain't nothing but guard bro.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
To be honest, bro, because you know, like, I ain't
no different to y'all. Ain't no different to y'all. A
lot of times, especially after the bath to our careers
in guys like me and Matt don't get these opportunities.
They give them to the guys that was the stars,
that was on the commercials and all that shit. Well,
I think Guard just put us in the perfect time
because when me and Matt both decided to stop doing
Fox at ESPN, we end up we ended up coming

(01:04:01):
up with all the smoke and we brought it to
a woman named Ellen Records. Ellen RecordsOn was the woman
who started Red Table Talk Red Table Talk and heard
Matt like this. She ended up calling Brian Daily. Brian
Day was the VP of Sports at Showtime. They was
looking for another sports show, but they didn't know they

(01:04:24):
wanted to have a sports show where didn't know about podcasts.
We didn't even know about podcasts. When Matt told me bout,
I'm like, what is it? And when Matt brought him
an idea, they said, cool, Matt, we'll do it with you.
But we don't want Stephen Jackson. We heard a lot
of stuff about him. Matt was like, I ain't doing
anything at him. I'm not doing it. Shout out to Matt, real, yeah,
I'm not doing it. And the first we do the

(01:04:46):
first photo shoot for it were smoking and ship were
smoking a shit on the photo show. I got my
shirt off like a rap album and sh hold up, man,
hold on, hold on, hold on up. This might not work, man,
we might not. I don't think we can. Show Time
we get behind this, but they got behind it, bro,
and you know, we end up cleaning it up a
little bit. We smoked on some shows, but we ended

(01:05:07):
up cleaning it up to the point where we ended
up doing the deal with our hard Fire Audio and
we ended up building our relationship with Showtime.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
So now we're five years in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
So it ended up where five years in the podcasts
now Paramount buys Showtime. Yep, they buy and they want
to get rid of all of their properties, the social properties,
the boxing, you know, and Showtime boxing was the biggest
thing that they had. Ye So during that time, Brian Daley,
which is the VP, he knew that Showtime was about

(01:05:38):
to get brought out. So he had an idea with
him and Matt, let's start our own production company. So
while we were still with Showtime, we started building all
the smoke productions with they bred. You know what I'm saying,
start building all spoke production. And during that time, I
had got into boxing. While I started doing the weigh
ins for boxing, I started doing the interviews with tanking
tanks wanted me all this fights and shit like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
So I got to the box.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
So when we when Showtime had to buy, when Paramount
was buying us out, Brian finessed some type of way
where we own all Showtime Boxing properties now, so now
Showtime Boxing's all the smoke fight and all the smoke boxing.
So y'all, so we got we're finna be a big
player in the boxing space. Now we're going to put
on our own fights, taking that whole blueprint and doing

(01:06:20):
that now. So I think for us with the production
company show we have, we have a partnership with Draft
Kings where we have a number of shows on the network.
I think just the fact that we were able to
build so much stuff from just starting with the podcast,
you know what I'm saying. That's why I disguise the
limit for y'all because y'all done so much in a
short time. But for us to be able to build
a boxing the podcast and a production company and start

(01:06:45):
doing live shows like that ain't number guard. But because
we didn't expect, we didn't know what we was doing.
We didn't have no blueprint too it. We just just
jumped out there on the lead. But the timing and
everything worked to our fail you know with Paramount and
all like everything was so why I say it was
guard but because a lot of stuff that happened with us,
it was just perfect time for us to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Be where we are now. Did y'all put that better
in KG back?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yes, So we had a lot to do with KG Certified.
You know, we have a show called Certified Smoke. What
we do across show with them, you know what I'm saying,
and were doing a lot of business. We was actually
producing their shows with all the Smoke production. I think
they going on and doing their own stuff now, you know,
trying to do their own algorithm and stuff now. But
we still a founder. We still do Certified Smoke, but

(01:07:26):
definitely we definitely started them. We have the show with
Rondo and Boogie Bully Ball. We have Rachel Nichols. You know,
we're building some other properties now with all of them.
On the boxing side. We have Andre Ward yes, yeah,
and Roy Jones we just signed them. So it's been
a blessing. Man. We're just trying to continue the buildings
because they don't expect stuff like that happened from guys
like us. You know what I'm saying, They don't expect that,

(01:07:47):
but I'll follow that anyway. I think Matt and Brian
Brian Daya has been big for us because they have
that mindset. Like I haven't been in one meeting. I
haven't missed one check. You know what I'm saying. My
job ain't to be in the meets because I know
that ain't my specially I didn't go to school that
and with school for that ship. When it's time to
collect money, when it's time to show up and entertained,
I know my job. So everybody and our you know,

(01:08:07):
a little small twelve people on our roster. You know,
everybody got a job to do it. And I think
we depend on everybody to do their job because you know,
everybody want to play their role and be a start
their own role.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
And that's one thing I think people don't realize, Like
with these opportunities, yeah it make start as a podcast.
We have an opportunity for especially black entrepreneurs to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Build enterprises offices.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
If you said you're going to a showtime box, like
I kept seeing you at the box and stuff. So
now it's all making it makes sense. But that's dope,
like you getting collected intellectual properties that they don't give
us an opportunity to have. Look what had to happen
for y'all even have an opportunity because those cable networks
don't fail, they sell or they just get bigger. So
that's dope to see y'all capitalized on. It shows of
the business mind. Like you said, everybody play their part.
That's the dope part.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Ain't nobody getting out of podcast, ain'tbody.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Getting too gritty, got an operation, got machine to keep going,
And it's dope to see that for y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Man, we don't see that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:08:53):
He did this first thing with a cute choose, like
one of the pioneers kick this off, bro, Like how
did that come about?

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
So for me? Like when it for the Big d
first started, like I was excited because I knew how
I was one of those guys that wanted to play basketball,
and I wasn't. I wasn't going overseas, you know what
I'm saying. I wasn't doing those shit like that, But
I wanted to play right here and Q A lot
of the guys that Q like watching play, was retiring
and leaving the game. So when he when he started

(01:09:23):
the League's like, bro, I want to start this league.
I want to do a combine in Vegas just to
see what the league was like. So during that time
I was doing two days, I was working that hard.
Eye got swollen like I because I got back into
that mode. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
I got back into the basketball mode.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
And when we got there, I seen a lot of
guys wasn't in shape, and I've seen a lot of
guys thinking like man, I'm just gonna get this check
guaranteed ten thousand the league. I ain't gonna work. I
was gonna show up and get this money. No you're not. Yeah,
first game in first day, while they having the combine,
Cube asked me and al and Contino and Cormac get
it played like a just like a test game to
see what the what the league would be like. And

(01:09:57):
I took that shit too serious. You know what I'm saying,
because I did. You know what I'm saying, because I
really wanted to set the tone because I seen how
niggas was approaching this shit, how they were showing up
all fat and out of shape, and like I'm not
finna be like if y'all gonna show up like this,
and I'm gonna give everybody one hundred points every night.
You know what I'm saying That that was my attitude tone,
you know what I'm saying. So that scrimmage, I was

(01:10:18):
talking you know, me and our best friends. I was
calling Aur bitches, cursing him out like we was like
with me and Coy's brothers, like we was going at
each other for that list short time. But everybody, like
one hundred people in the gym, everybody saw like, Hey,
this is what the league gonna be like. And Q
was excited, Like that's what I needed. That's what I needed,
And I was happy to not only play in the

(01:10:40):
Big Three, but shit, we all looked up to Ice Q,
like I look up the fucking Q. How could I
not be in his league? And the fact that he
said I had a big part of you know what
I'm saying, Like that meant everything to me. Dog. So
that's why I still coach. Now, that's why I'm still
involved in the league now, you know what I'm saying,
because I know where he wants to go with the league,
and we all have an opportunity to benefit off so great.

(01:11:00):
You know what I'm saying, something that the black person
is building. So I'm gonna always be down with you,
you know what I'm saying. If even if it's just
coaching all like I'm doing now, I'm a big part
of the league.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
He said that half court bigger than bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
At first one I said s court.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
He was like he thought that ship was easy. Then
I was like, hell yeah, bro, I used to my
first my years playing all my points was on the block.
I hit a couple of threes, but I was I'm
a big two guard, So regardless of nine ten of
the people that I play against in the Big three,
I'm going to have advantage on the block, you know
what I'm saying. And I abused that ship. That's how
that's how I had success. But when Joe came, it

(01:11:37):
was over. I ain't the biggest Joe punishing everybody said
six two sixty with the hat, all that he had,
all he had it all. You know, That's been my
nemmesis my whole career, though Joe's bust my ass, my whole.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
That's one that we used to go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
But like Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Joe spunk me around. Joe spun me around one time.
Oh I do remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Because like you can have a string, like like why
you'd be so hyped.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Like a foul happened.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Yeah, I had to follow him because he'slumbing around like
nobody never fall. I made me stumble and Joe swimming around.
It ain't nobody never made me fall. You know who
made me fall?

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Flip?

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
He made me fall my first preseason game. He was
on the Bobcats. He had was in Atlanta the year
before and they ain't pick up his house. I was
on the team first preseason game. He went snatched back.
I looked at the bench.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Joe Smith had a towel like this smooth was like
this baby was standing up to the league. I was hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
I was playing defense so hard.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
The next possession, dude like school, you know, flipping like
it was the bucket. Get it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
That's another underwriting for sure. Did y'all win that ship
the first year the Big Three? No, No, so I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
I wasn't gonna kill the threes at that time. Trilogy
went in and oh that's they went Sean mccamp al
and Mashaan Mkantz walked everybody down for ten games twenty five.
You get twenty five, I get twenty five and nobody
could goud My Hour and rashawma Camp's go can stop.
For that first year, they dominated that pressure.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
Isaiah was playing this year on your town. I was like, nigga,
you're gonna post up the whole game and out here,
you like, make these.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Gonna make you chase them out there, these motherfuckers. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Way I'm down.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I said the fuck this in this game. And he stopped.
He stopped posting up.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
And guess what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
They walked us down.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
They walked us down, and he got tired.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
I told him, say, boy, you try to go out
these niggas out here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I went out it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
You're gonna be tied. I guess what he did at
that the game, dumb file because he was tied to
walk us down. We're not a fast team. We got
to use our size. They walked us down.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
It's a big moment in the three.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
That's a that's a historic Big three game right there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
You speak on the moment, you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Yeah, so so what people don't know? So that's that's
one of my best friends in the world. We talk
all the time. So it was just a moment where
two competitors. So o Oak wants to win just as
bad as I do. We was in Texas, so I
feel like anyway in Texas, I can get anybody murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
That's just how I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
I'm not live in Texas. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
I'm just keeping it real.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
You know what I'm say. If I wanted to, I'm
a peace I'm a peace with everybody. But if I
wanted to, I could make some shit happen in texts.
You know what I'm saying. I was My adrenaline was pumping.
His adrenaline was pumping. He took me out the game
because I was larking the refs. He's like, man, get
back in the game, Like I told him something, And
it was like I said something, I'm going back in
the games. Like no, you're not. I'm like, who's gonna
stop me? He's like, I'm gonna stop him. Nigga. You

(01:15:02):
know where you went. I'm just reminded Texas Nigga came
back with the hardest shit ever. I'm like American Airlines,
I'm everywhere we're going, we're going back and forth to it.
He knew what he was doing because I because I
got mad when I did not end up winning the game,
and we had the bar together right after not even

(01:15:23):
talking about it. But that's just our passion for wanting
to win, you know what I'm saying. Like he knew
he needed me in the game for us to win.
You know what I'm saying. I wouldn't understand that my
drelling was pumping, But that's my guy. Now, that's that's
just two fiery guys, you know what I'm saying, trying
to win and just emotions balled over. But that's nobody
respect more than Charles.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
Og before we got here. Man, tell the people, you
know what I'm saying, your entrepreneurs, I got the liquor.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
On the way for the people.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Man appreciate that. We have a mess cow that just
dropped called the NEOs Uh. It's in like, uh ten
ten to fifteen states right now. It's not in Atlanta yet,
but it's on the west coast of New York that
we sold out already in l A. And we also
have a coffee table book. The first podcast with a
coffee table book with Smith with Smith and Shuster call

(01:16:09):
all the Smoke Coffee table. That's all right now as well, so.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
We got we gotta put it on the desk that
don't nobody like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Club.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
I need to be a part of that liquor brand.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yeah, and we need to do a collabor with y'all.
Y'all man shout to all the Smoke team, Matt, Brian, Johnnie.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
Shout always show a little bit, get me some of
bucks early on the podcast game too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
And then let me let me say this too, bro like,
I'm glad y'all doing the show because a lot of
people think like me and Matt always try to say
it on our show like it ain't no competition. That's
why I y'all look at my Instagram. I'll be shopping
out all kinds of shows all the time, different shows
and shows that I don't even people that don't even know,
because I want people to know it's enough for all
of us out that they no competition. They won't they
want us to think because we're all black and we

(01:16:57):
all have this certain talent to be in front of
this camera and to draw people in that we're in competition.
We're not in competition because we all have our own
different stories and people, and our stories are different. So
I want people to understand that your voice is just
as big as anybody else's voice. You know. Just believe
in your ship. And that's why I'm glad you're doing
y'all shit, bro, and I'm honored to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
I'm glad we're gonna do this again.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Man. Before we got out of here, we got asked
me about it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
The VP. Oh, the VP. Oh that was that's a
good question. So I didn't want so me and Matt
argued for four days. When I got to what we
did it? Baby? What we do at uh? In DC?
We went to the VP house. When I got there,
Matt was calling me to this true story. He was
calling me to come out to eat. I'm not I'm
screening his phone call. I don't want to be here, nigga.

(01:17:41):
I don't want to be in politics. I don't want
to do this on my line. Baby. We at home,
me and Matt arguing, like we arguing about the shit
because the people that support me are not They look
at how I look. He at it like answers to
equality and to making America the way it's supposed to
be is not rocket science. It's not rocket science. Bro,

(01:18:02):
y'all know how to give equality, to make people equal,
just just how y'all put people ahead of us. So
the same way to do that is to make it
equality is real simple, dog, Just give people what they need.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
It's not rocket science.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
So that's why I don't want to be in politics,
because there's a lot of hope dealing. That's the end
of the day. They then to hope them. They ain't
into actually trying to fix shit. They want you to
make They want to make you think that they got
the ideas or they got plans to fix shit, and
shit never gets fixed. So that's why I didn't want
to be in politics. And I seen the first hand
with the George Fard situation. So when Matt was telling
me about going to interview to VP, I'm not with

(01:18:34):
it because the people that support me feel the same
way I feel. I don't trust up. I know it's
all bullshit. Nobody is really for us. I'm the president
of my household, you know what I'm saying. I don't
give a fuck about who the president. I'm the president
of my shit, you know what I'm saying. And That's
how I looked at it. So Matt's looking at it
as my business side. What is gonna do for our show?
What's gonna do fire production Company? I'm not thinking that man,

(01:18:57):
fuck that, you know, I'm not you know, So the
hope even the day before, She'll tell you, I'm in
my room, Matt is calling me to come prep. Nigga.
I'm not asking her phone No, nigga, I can. I
can show you messages. I'm gonna show you'll. Let's let
you know how real it is, nigga, because y'all my patners.
I'm gonna say you how this, This is how I
was doing him when he was sending me to the messages. Bro,

(01:19:18):
I'm gonna show you how I was doing him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Hey, you don't want to hear about the collar greens, nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
In the tub, Nigga, I don't want to hear about
not want to he Okay, Bro, I'm gonna show you
this is the message my brother was sending me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Look, hold on, hold on, hold on, holo, hold Look,
he texted. He teld me something. I say. He said,
I don't want to look.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
He say, So, you're not gonna you're gonna power and
ignore me the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
You don't want to smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
I don't want to smoke, don't want to hang out,
don't want.

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
To eat nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Do my job. Look, do my job and be out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Nigga, He say, big, you want to play CEO D
trying to be funny.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Nigga. Look, I'm seeing me in an asshole. I'm seeing
a video an asshole. You know what I'm saying. I
was not talking to him, dogg. So even look Matt
said on show that even when we got to the
BP house, I'm sitting in there like this. You know me, Jason,

(01:20:20):
I was mostly on my sleeve. Boy, I can't high.
I'm I don't want to be here because I know
perfect example, I told him that's my wife. I said,
why don't you go do it? They came back. We
don't want to do it without him. Because I'm the
face of the biggest civil rights movement ever with the
George Floyd Ship. I know why y'all want me there,

(01:20:41):
using me as a pawn. I know what you're doing.
Everybody else might not see it, but I see it.
You know what I'm saying, and I wanted the benefit
from the ship. I'm not thinking business wise. Well, I'm
glad I did that ship. You know how much shit
came for much doing the interview, all kind of ship coming.
And so Matt was right, and I always follow him
with business, you know what I'm saying. But I did

(01:21:02):
not want it, and I still don't want to be
in politics, you know what I'm saying. But let me
say this too. They say, what's your wife of voting?
I found my why? What is it? And let me
tell you why. I found my why. I can't talk
too much about it, but I was recently tased by
the police from behind. I got stitches in my chin
right now, tased from behind just because I was a
big guy. Recently, Bro and me seeing that George Floyd

(01:21:24):
shit dealing with the police and artist and how they
was treating me. Donald Trump is talking about giving police immunity.
So I found my why. I can't live my life
with the police treating y'all, my sons or anybody the
way they planning to treat us. Bro. So that's my
wife for voting. I just found my why, especially after
how they treated me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
I wouldn't even know no dumb shit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
He tased me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
He told me tats because I was a big guy.
Got I broke two teeth in the back, all that
and get So I'm just that that's my wife, especially
since being throughing it now. I never voted. I don't
believe in politics, but if I had to vote, that
would be my why because I don't want him to
get police community because they're already treating us like ship.
Just imagine what they're gonna do if they know they
can get away.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
With it right straight up, We're gonna have all my
conversation about that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Shout the freaky Mike, Yeah, shout out to some collar Greens.
Come on, man, hey, I did hear that story.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Now, I've been in call of Greens all my life.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
I've never seen him getting.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Cleaning the bathtub. They take this nigga, Come on, told youth,
I'm sorry every show, bro, when have you seeing anybody
clean grings? They're gonna feel that sync up on both sides.
They gonna feel that sup on both sides. Nobody's going
to the bathroom in the ketching niggas Greens in the tub, man,

(01:22:44):
come on, he's hey. Next time somebody asks her who
her favorite rapper is rapper is? It can't be Tupac
because they say, who's your favorite rapper that's alive?

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
And she said Tupac. I know what she meant.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
She ain't no judging for that. We ain't tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Regress of her.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Chest clubfour twenty dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
We got merchandile baby, We.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
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