Club Shay Shay - Gillie Da Kid Part 2

Welcome back to part 2!

Gillie talks about his dominance in the Big 3 Celebrity Game, where he won MVP three times and jokes about how the NBA celebrity games are political. He’s not holding back when it comes to challenging Jamal Crawford to a one-on-one, and he even gives props to Chris Brown's hooping skills while teasing Bronny James. He reflects on his past—his basketball scholarship, his legal troubles, and the pain of losing a friend—but emphasizes how far he’s come, crediting his wife for showing him a new perspective on life and helping him transform.

Through his journey, Gillie highlights the importance of hustle, citing Meek Mill’s rise as a testament to staying focused despite the challenges. He shares raw truths about navigating the entertainment industry, including turning down a deal with Jay-Z and Dame Dash, and dealing with the hate that often comes with success. He talks about second chances, particularly how his podcast has been a platform for redemption for artists like DaBaby and Tory Lanez.

As the conversation turns to the topic of rap beefs, Gillie opens up about how they’ve been a natural part of the rap game. He compares rap battles to losing an NBA final—disappointing, but not the end of the world. He reflects on the biggest beefs in hip-hop history, like the ones between Jay-Z and Nas, emphasizing that it’s all part of the culture and shouldn’t be taken too seriously. He stresses that egos often get bruised, but at the end of the day, it’s about the art. He touches on the beefs he’s had, including misunderstandings with artists like Rick Ross and Lil Wayne, but insists he’s focused on the bigger picture—his business and his work.

Gillie talks about how rap beefs can be entertaining for fans, but they often don’t know the full story behind the scenes. He reveals that the real challenges come from navigating the music industry itself and the struggles of being successful while dealing with personal and professional pressures. He speaks about how he’s moved past petty beefs and focused on growing his brand, staying true to himself, and supporting others in the industry who are working hard to make their mark.

As the conversation turns to personal matters, Gillie opens up about the impact of fame on relationships and how he has evolved as a father and grandfather. He discusses his regrets, including the loss of his son and the life lessons he’s learned along the way. His message is clear: life is precious, and the streets aren't the answer.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for you're coming back. Part two is underway. Man,
you have a lot of You have a lot of
disagreement with people.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Bad.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Oh shit, Why you have a disagreement with everybody? Who
who had a disagreement? You had a little temporary disagreement
with Jay Hole, you had a little disagree with Bird.
You have to disagree with Wayne, you have to disagree
with Ross. You're a different I mean, damn me. No,
I never had a disagreement with me. That's always no.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I said, meet what meat, big meat?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I ain't in no disagreement with big meat.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
No, not big My bad, My bad, My bad, My bad.
But you did have a with Ross?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Why Ross? Rose?

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I like Ross?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Okay, Okay, I mean, can I explain what happened?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
You can?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Okay. I'm at Jackson State.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Okay, I'm in the locker room. While I was in
there talking to Prom Willer. Run in the locker room,
he said, Joe Wayne head Man, go wild at that
because we need to get that on the pot cash.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I say, we he in there with Prime. I walk up.
I see Wayne, he ain't here talking to Prime. What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Wayne?

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Go? I walk out standing right out here, wait for
him to come out to holler. He ain't there talking
to Prime. I a the process. I called you Maine over,
mac Man, come here. You know what's up man trying
to get him in the pocket. Here you knew you
and Wayne. It's man that shit the past. Ain't nobody
worning about that ship man. But all right, I got
I mean I got hogher at him and see, okay cool?

(01:36):
He say where Wayne at? They say, Wayne left? Mac
Maine say, we go there you looking at me? I mean,
like nigga, we don't know where he want?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
He left.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Mac Man say okay, man, I'm ana holler at jo
that soon. Now I'm doing an interview with TMZ. They
asked me about Wayne. I said, I don't really talk
about that shit no more. They say, well, have you
ever seen him? I say, damn, that's crazy. Y'all asked
me that I just seen him last week at Jackson State.
He said, how that went? I said, I shook his
hand and then you know.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Wayne got out of here.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
I never said I pressed it nothing. I actually said,
I'm trying to get on the podcast. What happened was
Macmayne posted a video of me saying Wayne dipped posted
a video of me and Wayne shaking hands and then
me and me turned around and walking out like I
was frauding or something.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
And I'm like, Mac, you know what happened. You was there.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
You was the one that said he left. So I
didn't even respond to that shit. I'm just like, what's
the purpose. I never said I was pressing the nigga,
I said, I was trying to get an interview from it,
and Ross was in the comments, this is fake?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
How about you? And Wallo was fake?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, that's how that started.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
But you have you and Ross school now.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
I mean I seen him Ross at the concert and
because he didn't have nothing to say, and then I
seen his homeie and it's home.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
He introduced herself and said he was a real.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
And I said, if you are real with the my superhero.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
And that was it. That was it. Yeah, I think
y'all can get together.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Ain't no beef. I don't got no beef with nobody.
I don't have no beef with nobody. I'm I stay
in my world, Shannon, Yeah, I do me. I don't
with nobody. I don't bother nobody. There's plenty of guys
out here on the internet. Disrespecting, talking crazy. I can't
even take these guys for real, Shannon. I can't take

(03:42):
them because who would to talk about that? They don't know?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
See, see why I like you. I can't take no
for real just talking.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
If I never met you, How could I have something
negative to say about you?

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Man? People don't know you, man, So why do I care?

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Right, there's a bunch of guys out here that's you know,
cloud chasing and do shit for views, and I pay them.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
No mind.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
God ain't gonna God ain't gonna bless you trying to
come up off the another back of another man.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Men ain't gonna get no blessings.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Like that million dollars worth the game you say you
started like a telling the young the young homies that
I'm a I got a million dollar with the game.
Just listen, God, it's attention, motivation and education, because come home. Yep,
he's been you know, a reading up, understanding, marketing, all
this other stuff and how to run a business. You

(04:33):
got to ask God to hey, let's do a he said,
let's do a pod.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
How did it come together where you like, you know what,
cuz let's do this shoot for the stars.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Well, mall and I was worth a game was already
so big, just the brand meet meet me giving out
the game that people already was asking me, killing you
need a podcast, you need a YouTube channel, you need this.
I didn't know what the podcast was. And then, just
to be honest, when I went and looked at a
podcast not saying no names, I was like, who the

(05:05):
would watch this? This is the driest ship, this is
Canada dry.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I didn't understand.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I said the same thing where they got like, I
ain't know what the podcast was. I'm like, what I mean?
What I mean? I'm on TV? Right, Why do I
want to do extra in my off time? Do something
right that's similar to TV?

Speaker 5 (05:24):
And then Wilow sent me an article that said Spotify
allocates four hundred and twenty one million to podcasts in
the first quarter, and I said, the first quarter is
January that April four hundred, Nikka, watch break that microphone out?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Four?

Speaker 5 (05:48):
In the first podcast we did, I think once to
number two in the world behind Joe Rogan.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Right, and it was no looking no looking back, looking back? Wow,
what's been some of your crazy this moments on your part?

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
The first craziest moment was me and Wallow fighting. That
was the that was early on. That was wild.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Had to give him some tenant windows. Ship up, who
is the older? Yeah, I used to watch that nigg
in the tub. He used to ship in the tub
all the time.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Bowls was loose man.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
But uh little Dirt was was one, you know, going
to Chicago to the gutter, Kodak black, going to the projects,
being in the projects two o'clock in the morning, young thug.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Because to have the conversation that we had with Young
Thug and not even know that he was about to
go through any of that ship he went through, that
was like, you know what I mean? And then the baby,
the baby because the baby, you know, in the society

(07:09):
we live in, he said something that quote unquote he
wasn't supposed to say, and the world turned his day
back on him.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
And he called us and said, would y'all interview me?
And we said, why wouldn't we interview you? We not
like the rest of the world. We don't give a
We understand that people make mistakes. Were human man. I
made a bunch of mistakes in my life, man, and
God forgave me or I wouldn't be in this position
i'm in. I'd be probably be in jail. So we

(07:41):
not judging you. And the difference between us. We built
our podcasts around the youth, the owners of tomorrow, and
we don't talk at you, we talk to you.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's a difference.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
So we said, come on, we're gonna embrace you during
the hardest times of your life.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Tory Lanez same thing.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
We're gonna embrace you, and everybody else they say it's
far away from you. We're not gonna treat you like
that because we understand that people make mistakes. Wallow made
a mistake cost them twenty years of his life, but
now he's the cultural advisor a YouTube. Yep, he was
a sealed at Reform. He got one of the fastest

(08:18):
grown clothing lines in the world. So we understand that
second chances is prevalent, that a lot of people that's
all they ever need is a second chance. That's all
he ever needed was a second chance to show he
was great. So we don't judge, and we understand that
people make mistakes, and we the platform that say you

(08:40):
made a mistake, but we're gonna give you an outlet
to say up play us up to right up. But
don't judge me by a mistake that I made, because everybody,
if you was judged by.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Every mistake you made. Come on, we're not here. You
made a mistake when you was on that camera.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Then you gonna see feel.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
I said, damn sure, it looks like you're in the
best shape of his life. But he sounds like he hat.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
He is in it. Grunt like.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
There you go getting see have you had any surprise?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
How good he is of a what you want me
to do again?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
He got right off of that.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
So when you getting his own way, I mean that
that was that was you know, I don't move past that.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
All had a crisis team, we had that.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
At least you owned up to it. I mean, wasn't
nobody believing you you accidentally wont live? You gotta take
six steps but here. But hey, all I'm trying to
say is that think about it.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I've never been on live before, so you mean the
very first time that I'm on live, that's what I'm
gonna put out there, the very friend go louder.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
He s just to put a little work in. I
ain't gonna love.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Are you surprised because you have a former NFL player
on the podcast and he revealed as a girlfriend that
cheated on it with me, did you know that pride
of him coming on? Had you known that, would you
have brought him on?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (10:15):
Because at the end of the day, let's be for real, bro,
probably ninety five percent of the men in the world been.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Cheated on before. Yeah, they just don't know it.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
They just don't know it.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
And if they do know it, a lot of them
they forgive the woman any right.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
So you know, me, I thought it was I.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Thought it was real that he shared that story, Like
you know what I mean, because like, listen, man, they
get out on the habits of the best of us.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes, And plus, look, most guys like pretty much the
same type of woman.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
If you go back and look at an app you
look at.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Athletes, football, baseball, basketball, whatever sport is, and look at
the type of woman. That's right, man, why do you
guys like the same woman? Why do they gotta do
you like what you like? When they're in that circle, right,
that type of woman, young woman, whatever the case may be,
they're around back right, the athletes are around that.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I mean, when you're in the whole food you gonna.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Get stuff that you know, don't have non GMO, don't
have pathticide.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
It is what it is people.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
But unless you're in that world, people outside of that
world don't understand, right, And so that's what I tell
the man sea why they said, Bro, when you go somewhere,
that's what those are the women that you.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
See, right, And a lot of a lot of people
don't understand, like they be like, oh, such and such,
she messed with him, him and him, and that's that's
the only people that's that's at all events.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
That's that's only that's the only world she's right. She
don't be around too many regular.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Right, So, so, but they don't understand a lot of
the celebrities are sheltered, right, And the only time you
get to get out and about it is when you're
around other celebrities, correct, So whoever you're gonna mess with
those eleb.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
You've had some of the I mean mained out of
the game.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
You have some of the biggest rappers, some of the
biggest entertainers on your platform.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
How do you go about to secure your guests? How
do you go?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Oh, we call them, we reach out personally, you know
what I mean? Yo? Bro, would like to get you
on the show.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
You want to come bust it up, chop some game up.
You know, we have something that respind, we have something
that don't respond, and you know we don't take a price.
What DM them fast? Damn Drake, we need you on
the show, DM Lebron need you on the show. Fortunately,
Drake and Lebron both responded back, so you know, hopefully
we'll get them soon.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
But I did, I don't, I don't. I'm not operating off.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
No, we gonna lock your ass.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
You ain't DM me. We gonna we got you know,
I did them?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
How you gonna do? How you gonna DM Drake and
Lebron before me?

Speaker 5 (12:49):
I M.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
You just ain't see that, motherfucker. You got all the
tenders in there.

Speaker 6 (12:53):
Look he hears y'all in the room. You got all
the tenders and the errige in there grunting. That happened,
They said, we wasn't a little to grisly bear.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
You recently sat down with kod that Black about this
drug use. How difficult is it to have a conversation
like that with someone You see the potential so much ability,
and you're kind of like brought it all away.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
We just had down with him, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
And it wasn't necessarily about drug use or drug abuse.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
It was just necessarily.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
About reminding him because you gotta understand these these young
these young men, I don't want to say kids, they
kids to me because they're young enough to be my kids.
But these young men who are millionaires, they're living in
a moment, right, They in the moment. They don't always
understand that how important they are. So it just be
us to remind them that. You know, you that right,

(13:48):
you know what you mean out here right? Okay, you
see what they did the dirt right, you see what
they did the young thug right, No, you ain't exempt.
So Kimon Nef, we're not trying to throw this shit away, right,
We're not trying to God, he he anointed you to

(14:09):
be one of the special ones out of all of that.
You grew up with. How many people is in your position,
So kimone Nef, we're gonna take advantage of this. We're
not gonna take none of this ship for granted. And
that's that that's our job to let him know that
you special bro to because everybody around you, more than

(14:31):
likely as a yes, man, Yeah, I'm gonna let you
know your special, Nef. But don't this up, Nef, because
you've already been in jail. You know what this shit about, right,
I'm not here to stroke your ego. Man, I'm here
to let you know that Nef, you special. And if
you this up, you know who the idiot is, you
ne F. And and they accepted to that ship because,

(14:52):
like I said, we ain't talking at him, We're talking
to him.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Kodak revealed that he did as many one hundred a day.
Why do you think it's so hard for guys to
come into it? This summer money, this some of I mean,
this fame, this praise, the satulation, and then resort. Maybe
they had these issues and they got cleaned. They were

(15:16):
able to do enough to get in this position to
release a record or do something. Why do you think
it's so hard for them to like stay on the
straight and arrogant.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
You gotta understand, right, we're taking kids straight off the projects,
right straight out the gutter, straight out the streets. And
then damn, he got a shitload of money. You talk
about the kid that wants from having zero responsibilities zero
to bam, now you got ten responsibilities.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Feel what I'm saying, you don't.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
It's it's sometimes it happens so quick that you don't
always even know how to deal with that shit. You
just like, I just went from nobody asking me for
nothing to now every time jam they asking me for something.
Now you start to feel like playing me, like like

(16:18):
like am I being too nice?

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Am I not being generous enough? Am I?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know?

Speaker 5 (16:22):
It's just a bunch of shit. You got, you got
family members. That's that they feel entitled. They feel like you,
Oh I'm ship. They feel like you like you wasn't
even around during my whole journey of coming up, but
I now owe you so the difficulties of coming from
the ghetto. And like I like to say this a

(16:43):
lot of times, right, A lot of times, you know,
would be the difference between white parents and black parents.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
What's that.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
White parents they see they kid win and a lot
of times they've already been successful life. They got good credit,
they got their house, you got they they they got
the nice car. They're not expecting any They're not expecting anything.
You try to buy them a nice card, They're like, Billy,
I got a Bronto. You worry about you billy, don't

(17:14):
do it right. You you a black family, everybody meet it.
Now you gotta buy you your sister car, your mama house,
your mama car, your two brothers a car for you
even hm do anything for yourself. You already a million

(17:40):
dollars in the hole. Now you gotta help them maintain
the ship that you bought them that they can't afford. Ye,
So now you bought your your sister the bens.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Now she needs breaks them three thousand.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
She can't afford the breaks, So now she gonna road
the rollers off them.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Now it was a foul.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
You ain't lied, You ain't lied, So you gotta get
them something can up keep.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
So now everything is coming back to you.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
You're like, damn, wait, hold on, I did this, I
put you all in this, I did all this, I
did all this shit still coming back to me. Then
it's cool when the money's pouring in whatever, when it stopped,
because man, I just got one hundred and fifty to night,
getting a hundred and fifty tomorrow I'm getting.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Don't worry about saying it.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
But when that shit slowed up, now it's an issue. Yes,
It's like I've been doing this shit for three years,
four years, you ain't established nothing yet. Sounds like we
never knew we had to establish nothing. You had everything.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Wow, So a.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Lot of these kids is going through And then when
you got them ghetto moms.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Lor you mentioned you had thug on before the trial
or any of this transpired. Right, Why do you think
it's so hard to separate separate rap from street life
and time?

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I mean, the raps come from this. Rap come from
the streets.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But the objective is to get out, not to get
out and go back.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
But when we first rapping, all we rapping about is
what we know. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yes? So?

Speaker 5 (19:27):
And then a lot of times it don't even be
the rapper. A lot of times it be surround it. Right, Okay,
Because at the end of the day, if I don't
rap Shannon, right, how else am I going to prove
that I'm down for you other than when we got
some beef and it's time to do.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Something to it. I can't show my worth other than that,
I'm just a hang around.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
I'm dying for you to go through some shit so
I can bust some heads open, so I can say,
you see how I ride for you. Because I don't
bring any value to the table other than that. Other
than that, I'm just hang around in the studio. Yeah right,
So I'm dying for something for somebody to with you,

(20:07):
because I'm dying to show you not.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Only how I ride for you. That's the only way
they can show you a lot of times you don't
even want them to ride it. He done did some
dumb shit, and don't y'all shot at them. You're like, Nigga, what.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Nigga in the corner cop this in my name?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
You had a buyer interview a little dirt. Unfortunately he's
in jail right now. But Wallow tearing up telling you
a little dirt.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Run over top he and that Nigga was scared. That
Nigga was scared for our life because they got a
bunch of guns.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Head.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Oh my god, ya gotta do this. Stop bitching, Stop bitching.
Straighten up, tighten up here. They ain't doing nothing to us.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
But I mean, he's like, I mean, because Wallow forgave
the man that took his brother's life and Steve Yes,
and he said that his Wallow is very close to
his grandmother, calling that Yes and his brother, Steve, his
brother they got shot.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
He died in the.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Army arms, Yes, in the doorway. Yes, and he forgave it.
He said, I had to let that pain. I had
to let this burden go, Yes, he said.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I had to.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yes, he had to because he got Steve got kids
out here, and Steve got responsibilities out here. So if
you come home on some crash, dummy shit and you
die and go to jail, how does that benefit anything
that Steve had?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Right?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (21:47):
He already he already lost his life to the streets,
So for it to be a continuing cycle, which just
don't make no sense. And I'm glad that because it
would have been easy for him to come home and
do what everybody is expected him to do, right, But
he came home and he did what nobody expected him
to do. And that's what that's why he's being great

(22:07):
right now, you Muslim?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yes, hell long my whole life.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Really, my name's f Rod and that's here, that's my
real government name.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Wow. I would have never guessed that. How the hell
you did? The name Gilly.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
My mom name is Gilda and my mom is one
of the craziest me So growing up I was always
little Gilly like Joe this little Gilly.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Be excited, like I never knew why.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
This little gilly little killy dolls?

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Do my mom do that?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Everybody's always happy to see me.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
But my mom was always well known and well respected,
so I always was little guilt. So by the time
I got old that that just was it stuck.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
That's little Gill.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
How many people know your government name, besides your besides
your bad.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Bad Everybody called me gilly man, You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Because when you go to advertising sponsors, they call you Gilly.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
They called me Gilly absolutely, mister Gill, even if they
knew my real daddy.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Gonna put up foreign Neser.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Damn you thought that was a real name.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Foreign Neser.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
You had King Vaughan on your pod before he tragically
lost his life.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Where were you when you got the news? And what
were you thinking?

Speaker 7 (23:37):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Damn?

Speaker 5 (23:38):
It was like a week later, I think, or maybe
a few days later maybe, and the only thing that
it was stuck in my head was a line that
he sat on the podcast. He said, Gilly, shit, don't
even be that deep, Gilly, but us young guys don't
know how to talk to each other. And that just

(24:03):
stuck with me because it was like, only if young
guys took the chicks to talk to each other, they
would realize that.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
But I really don't even want to be beefing with you.
I don't want to be beefing with you. Even I
like your music. I like your music. But they never
even get a chance to talk to each other.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Is it something you got ego where I got to
prove something?

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well, you know, this generation that's out now, it is
totally different from my generation.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
My generation and the culture. We looked up to. The hustlers.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
We looked up to somebody that was getting money, somebody
that was doing better than you, because it just appeared that, damn,
that's what that's what I want to be. This generation
they made the shooter popular to shoot. And our generation
was always the lowest form of a street. It was
who life didn't matter because he's a crash thum. He's

(24:57):
going to die out here anyway. So but this generation
made the shooter popular to whereas though he don't have
no money, he has nothing going on for himself, but
he shoots right and he's popular and his gun actually
costs more than his bankrut. This kid got a seven

(25:20):
hundred dollar gun on him but he got one hundred
dollars to his name.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
So you know, this.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Generation really fuck up where they made the shooter the
popular guy, and it just doesn't make no sense.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Where are you on the snitching culture?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
I mean, I just believe if you jump in those
streets and that's what you choose to do, I just
believe you just you should stand on that, Okay, you
know what I mean, I believe.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I don't. I don't believe.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
I've never believed that you should jump in the streets
and then something goes wrong and you should decide to
tungue on somebody.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Now if you were, if you were.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
That lady right there, I don't believe that she's ever
been in the streets. If she saw a crime go down,
she should absolutely tell what the she's seen go down, right,
she's a citizen. But if you're in the streets and
you grew up in a certain culture and then you get.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Caught, you get jammed up.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
So get jammed up, and you like, wait, I'm a
tell on the person that had more drugs than me
because I got caught.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
I don't me personally, I don't agree with that because
I just I just think that Hugh chose to be
in that world. And when you choose something, you should
understand the consequences of what you've chosen. And I would
never tell on anybody when I chose to be in
a certain world that I chose to be in.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That's just me.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
You said something very interesting.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
You said a lot of times, these guys have friends
around them, and.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
They've been with these guys their entire life.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And a lot of these guys are what we call
yes man, and they tell you what you want to
tell you, what you want to know, what you want
to hear, and not what you need to know.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
And how difficult.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
It because I'm pretty sure you pretty much got the
same circle of friends. People that knew Gile from the jump,
they still killed cool with Gile because when Giley didn't
have anything, they was there. Gilly got something. Now they're
still there. They haven't switched up on you, you haven't
switched up on them. How difficult is it for people
that come from this and by us, come from what
we come from, to distance ourselves from that situation.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
It'd be very hard.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
But that that that sometimes be the hardest for people,
because you know, you feel like I came up and uh,
you know, not necessarily they brought any value to me,
but they just was around me. But you gotta understand
also that if if, if if value don't bring value

(27:44):
to value, then of devalue, then what is it?

Speaker 3 (27:47):
And devalue every thing. So and you gotta understand.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
If I'm an artist and I go on the road
and I got fifteen hang around, that's fifteen people I gotta.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Feed and put up and put up.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
And when I go to the store, now when I
go buy a jacket and they picking up the jacket,
now I end up buying fifteen jackets and uh, and
they not really bringing no value to what I got
going on. And that's and that's how you go broke. Yes,
So if you understand life.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
And but you notice that, you say, that's how you
go broke.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know, we make the money, we made money, we
go broke, man, you went broke.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Bro You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
So if you're smart, you got to understand that I
can't do everything for everybody, and I got to put
myself first. And what's my responsibilities first in life? Because
if I go broke, who's taking care of my responsibilities?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Nobody?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Nobody you know, why do you think rappers are so successful?
At podcast? You got Joe, Nor Cam and Mace, and
it seems like a lot of these guys try like
transitioning out of music. Right, Why do you think why
do you think rappers are so how been able to
do so well? Yourself? Like I said Joe, Joe, b Nor,

(29:06):
Cam and Maide.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
I mean, rapping is just a form of talking expression.
And if you have personality and you're able to express
yourself and your intelligent enough to have the holder conversation
and intelligent enough to understand that it also has to
be some humor in there. There has to be some
you know, then you can make it happen. You know,

(29:28):
Joe is he has his own type of drive, but
you know sense of humor that you know people like
you know Cam, he has his sense of humor. Meace
and we have our sense of humor. So and we
speak and we also got years in the game, so
we got knowledge on us and were able to speak
on things and tell stories and things that we've been

(29:49):
through that you.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Know, maybe other people are not able to do.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Right, Cam and made they thank you for bringing him,
You and Wallow for bringing Cam and makes back together again. Yes,
what does that mean? How did that make you feel?
Because I guess they at one point in time they
were cool and then they kind of like went their
separate ways and they're back together, got a top podcast
doing extremely well.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Well.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
You know, for me, it makes me feel extremely proud
because I'm like y'all brothers YouTube brothers, was friends as
kids like and for me, it's just always like this,
if we was friends as kids when we didn't have nothing,
how were we going to be?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
How we fall? We got it right.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
And then and then honestly, it's all about talking, like
King Vaughn said, And all we did was bring Mace
on the show, and he expressed, like Kelly, I used
to wear cameron sneaks, like I was up like Cameron,
I used to wear Cameron's clothes. And that's what hurt

(30:56):
me the most is that me and my brother is
not as close as we used to be.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
And that's all it took.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Cam watched the interview, and now Cam comes on and
expressed that I really miss Mace as well. Right, and
then next thing you know, they call each other and
then next thing you know, they got a party.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yea in thirty million dollars right, Okay, Now you got
Cam Mace and you got Jim Jones. Yes, And I
think it was Jim that said that. May said that, Hey,
I taught Jim how to rap. Right, Jim said he
taught him how to wrap? What's the what? What's the
what's the collision?

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Now?

Speaker 5 (31:33):
I mean, you know, at the end of the day,
I see Jim and I see Kim going through it,
and you know, Wallow Rollow wrote a my letter on
the ground and you know pretty much ask him, you
know whatever, y'all going through the because it ain't really
worth it. No, it's not that y'all winning. Jim's winning.
He's doing his thing. He's still doing his thing in music.
Cam is winning. He's doing this thing with the podcast.

(31:54):
He's winning in life. So you know, it's not that serious.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
That photo on I on the internet.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
You know that ship ain't real already, know what you just.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
A lot ain't hugging me like that? Okay?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
By that of all the people, how the shop that ship?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Why did you like that?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Give me like that? For her?

Speaker 5 (32:19):
My man, I've been to his house. He's great artists,
made great music. I really with him. I don't have
nothing bad to say about or I don't know what
you did. I don't you know that ain't had nothing
to do with me. But every time we was in
each other's presence, he goes a good dude.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
But I look and I understand that he what he what,
what he accused of doing, what he got convicted of.
But I believe you're gonna separate the youth. The man
made incredible music.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
He did.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Now the person might you might not like what the
person did right, but that doesn't take away from the
music that he produced, but that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
He made right.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Because we can't am I wrong for saying no, no,
you're not wrong because when I when I listened to
I believe if I can fly, Yeah, I just don't
think about him pizzon on nobody.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I'm like, I just like, I'm like what he asked?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
What's the brokens you've ever been?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I broke because I'm broke and broken and broke, broke, broke, broke, broke.
That's why you had to get the strapping run up
on people. I was broken and broke. When you when
you're laying up in your big crib, now you sit
back and you know you looked at.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Look at the financial You're like, damn, you never thought
it'd be this good.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
No, in your wildest imagination, when you know what, I
thought I would have money.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
That's different type of money.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
I never thought that I would make this type of
money off of being myself. Okay, I never in a
million years of imagining some ship like that, right, like, Bro,
you sit here and you be you. Yes, you don't
have to do anything extra but be and to make
this heap of money. Yeah, that's believable. So I never

(34:04):
thought that it would be this way. I can't say that.
I always thought that I would end up where I
needed to be, But I never thought it would just
be me being myself.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I see every time I turn a ride, I see
Walla pull up in something new, Like, hey, matter of fact,
while you're talking, I might go get something new tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
I mean, like I be low key, like, bro, what
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah you got a side host. I know how much
we making, but damn you got.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
A side like you trying to go broke?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
What I mean, what's what is the best part?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
And what I tell people from me when people are
like share, what's the best part about having money, I said,
money gives. It's the ability to do things for my
family that if I didn't have it, I wouldn't be
able to do. Because that's the most important thing to me.
Because I don't really buy. I mean I buy some, but.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Look at me, man, I don't look like I buy
a ship because I don't. Every day you see me
on Instagram, every day you see me on social media.
I got a sweatsuit on like. But my daughter got
a truck that she really wanted. No, she she gotta

(35:21):
she wanted a rubicon, Yes, yes, jeep wraankler.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
My other daughter got a b M dub.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
You know they have g wagons in Jersey.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, mother, daughter, she want to BMW truck. She got that.
My grandkids, they don't have to ask for nothing. You know.
I lost a son out here who has a son.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
So me being able to just be there for my
for my grandsons and you know, make sure that he's
not missing nothing.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
You know, you know that's what's important to me. Man.
I don't really I don't really give a about nothing.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Nelson life, what's your best what's the what's the best purchase.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
That you've made?

Speaker 3 (36:05):
My wife's wedding ring.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
You got a new one because I know at the
time that you got mad that thing about to call party.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Off my wife's wedding ring.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
You gotta big with her flawless ship from Africa.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
What I wasn't playing those games, sear me.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
But she deserves it, yes, you know, and and when
we did you know, tattoos, so it will always be forever.
But I'm like, no, it's really gonna crush your heart
to a different level.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
She saw them come out the box.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
He had put the whalers mask. You know when that
lip starts sugar? What's your worst purchase? You better? You
have you purchased anything that you like? Did I buy this?

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, it's all my rolexes and cars.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
You a car guy and old school Oh okay, got
old schools a bunch of old school cars. But other
than that, I really don't buy anything, you know what
I mean? And I love my cars, so I wouldn't
really even say that was a bad purchase.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I just.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I just you and Wallow gave each other again.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Yeah, well, every year I threw a big party for
him that costs a shipload of money. You ain't you
invited this year? You know what I mean for sure,
my hand on number one.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
You know, yeah, and I know you're working. You got
eleven shoes and ship.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I turned it over to c for a while more
than you.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
You. I know you're working.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
The busiest man in show business, yeah me. But uh,
I threw him a big party every year because one
time he forgot his birthday. He was in jail. You
didn't even know it was his birthday. So and he's
never been celebrated. So every year I celebrated where I
make open bar, everything's free and people just had a

(38:09):
time of day life.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
What's your best investment?

Speaker 5 (38:13):
My best investment was million dollars worth of game behind
all of the seventeen cameras we got and the studio house,
and that was my best investment.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Now you're in the boxing game, yes, well, actually you
got you had a lot of things. Yes, But so
now if being a promoter, is that what you want
to do?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I mean, I just like providing an opportunity for people.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
You know, we did the first boxing match, then we
had meat Ball on there, she went viral. Then Zous
Network picked them right up, and then now she's on
our second season going into Zoos Network so we just
like to give people opportunity and try to make some
stars out of it.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
You had a boxing thing and I think shots were
allegedly fired and you end up having to kick people out.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Know what happened was the Delaware police was on some bullshit. Okay,
I'm in the middle.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Of a live stream, right Oh yeah, ynswering with a
body shot. Oh. I get a tap on the shoulder.
It's the chief of police and it's my assistant. I mean, yeah,
my assistant does. And she's like just shutting it down.
It's over. It's like, not even halfway through the through
the I'm like, what, I take the headphones off, shut

(39:37):
it down. Just shooting at the police outside. I said,
what now, you gotta understand we don't even bring that
type of crowd. So now I'm on the side of
the police now right, came to my event and.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Shot at the Pole police. I'm losing my mind. I
get up, I walk to the front.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
I'm talking to the Nothing we could do is over,
I said, listen, I have a live stream going on
right now that thousands on top of thousands of people
paid for. You mean to tell me it's nothing we
can do? He say if I let the live stream continue,
you got to kick all the people out of the stands,

(40:19):
I said, But the people in the stands didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
This was the people outside.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Like I said, if you wanted this live stream that
you got going to continue to people in the stands
got to leave.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
So I go on the ring.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
I'm mad because I'm under an impression that somebody shot
at the police outside, and as black people, that's on
all of us that we would come to an event.
We gave out four and a half million dollars in
the city of Philadelphia to minority businesses, and y'all would
come to my event and shoot at the cops. So

(40:59):
now I'm i'm I'm I'm on one. Everybody, get the
fuck out of here. After I kicked everybody out and
we're sitting there waiting to start the live stream, they said, no, Gilly,
they made a mistake. They wasn't shooting at the police.

(41:20):
They were shouting at the police. I said, what, because
this makes no sense. Why would you come at me
when I'm in the middle of a live stream and
tell me it's over. This was when I looked up,
they said, it's over, it's done. It's done, were shutting
the building. Now this is the last round because somebody
was shouting at the police outside. That don't make sense.

(41:44):
That don't make sense. Y'all said them people was shooting
at the police.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Right. So now I.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Got a problem with the Delaware Police Department. And I'm
losing my mind on the Delaware Police Department because I
believed you guys fourteen thousand dollars for four hours worth
for work and y'all tried to pull a fast one
saying somebody was outside shooting when they wasn't. So that

(42:10):
was the issue I had with the police department in Delaware.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
You'll stand on that.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
They're the worst police department in the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I stand on that. Ship.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
What's issue in the fight game, it's being reported that
Canelo and Terrence Crawford. Uh, it goes back and forth.
It's Canelo and Jake Paul Is Canelo and uh and Budd. Yes,
it's Budd and this So if this fights, let's just
say for the sake of about the fight is gonna
happen Canelo and Bud?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Who you like Canelo? Why? Because Bud had to move
up three classes? Yes?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
And and in the history of boxing.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
I've never seen anybody move up to classes and be successful.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
What Roy did I mean? But not in one jump,
not in one.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Leap right right?

Speaker 5 (42:56):
It was here here like heavyweight a few fights, okay,
heavy weight, we're talking about he just fought one forty seven,
one fight ago, and then you're gonna fight at one
sixty eight?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, because did he did he fight his last fight
at fifty four?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Just one fight though, and so now you go from
fifty four to sixty to sixty eight, right, and then
he doesn't have a rehydration clause.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
So so Danel he thinks he can out box Canelo.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
I think I think he can box Canelo too. Until
you get hit, Okay, you know what I mean. That's
the thing. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta You're gonna
go a whole fight without getting hit, and you fighting Canelo.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Album rest you and Mike Tyson and friends? How did you?
How did you meet Mike?

Speaker 5 (43:43):
I met Mike just uh, just out and about a
few times. And we have a uh somebody that Champshire.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Dem that we both know that.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
It's like, you know, since you you are boxing Officionado,
give me your four grade, your four goat boxers any division, any.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Era, Muhammad Ali, Sugar, Ray Robinson, Floyd Mayweather, Many Pakiao,
Minnie pack out is an eighth division division well from one.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Those from he way from one from one, well from one,
O six, one twelve all the way up to one
fifty four.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Right, So that's my goats.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I like that. Give me your top four boxes currently.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Bud okay, Uh Canelo.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
In your way?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Okay, I like him.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
And.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
You see.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
You can put you sick in there. Well, you can
put my nephew in.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
There, who's a four division weight champion, four time champion,
two division weight champion. That means your Hall of Famer,
cool boy, Steph Stephen Folden. But yeah you can throw
women there too. Just just beat uh, just beat my guy.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
How did you become such a boxing fan?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Well, yeah, Philly your boxing city.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
Man.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
You grow up a Philly you gotta learn how to rumble.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Man, your ass whipped. That's problems.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Yes, no, not cronking Phil. Yeah, that's Detroit. I believe
Shoolers is in Philly.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Is that where the phrase your fight out.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Of Joe Fraser? Jim Okay, Yeah, he throwed out of
Joe Fraser.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
So you got. You got to be able to bang.
If you're gonna be, you gonna phi as a rapper, Drake.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Kendred.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
If Drake would have just let it, just let it go, like, hey, bro,
I'm done with the boom, let it go, would we
have gotten to where we got with this beef, with this,
with this, with this back and board.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
Well, at the end of the day, all the whole
industry came in Drake at one time.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, why did Drake put so many on my own?

Speaker 5 (46:16):
Let me just tell you something anytime that'll just be
for real.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
All of my fucks got money. Yes, this is what
we talking about. Okay? What is it of? For the beef?

Speaker 5 (46:26):
And there was some bitches had to be about some bitches,
you know, Drake man, Drake slaying them and spraying them
and putting bitches all on the plane.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, what else we got the beef about? Of?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It's some holes, man, But you ain't got to come
at me that hard. Just this, give me a little
body blow.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
You gotta understand, man, I mean, you gotta sayd most
beefs in America was started about a woman.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yes, that's just I mean, but just this is all
time I mean, you go back and look at I
hit them up with Tupac, no vassline. I mean, there
have been some great this one up there, not Gilly.
They're gonna be talking about this for a minute.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
But what I'm saying is pro is only a rapt battle.
That's all it is. Jay Z lost the knives.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
That man won five Grammy is off that.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
But he wanted you thinking you think you're a bigger
artist than Drake.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
No, so why does it matter you lost a rap battle.
That's like Lebron James losing the NBA finals. You be
cool next year, you'll be back, will be even with him.
Even if you look at the streams now right, even
when when five Grammys his streams, they still don't match

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drake streams.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah great, Jake just did a billion. A billion is
the quickest to do a billion streams on this new thing.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
So at the end of the day, Ken, Drake's great,
Drake's great.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
This is rat battle. Man ego got loved bruised though, Man, dang,
you ain't have to do it like that.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Let me just tell you something. That's that's all in
Drake's mind.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Did okay?

Speaker 5 (47:59):
You and Bruce my ego I got my own plane.
I'm about to hop on my plane, hop my ego.
I buy a new one a fee, but he takes
thirty million. Go get me ago.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
We talking about Ego.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Imagine if Jay z Ego was destroyed, he would have
never been able to bounce back.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
You can't.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
This is a rat battle. Is nothing more than that. Okay,
you got you got the best of me on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Just hilarious. Took a shot at your gilly song.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Oh what's your head? She was just at my my
Airbnb yesterday to what she.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Caught it corner that you were eating chicken and licking
your fingers in the video. That's basically nothing.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
I can say a lot of things that I thought
just it was corny.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
I love just knock on that.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
I think Jess is hilarious. You got grandkids now, yes,
three of them.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
What's it like being a pop off?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
It's the best thing in the world. Man.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
That shit warmed my heart. Man, but it warmed you
want to know what's so crazy? And this shit sounds funny.
It warms my heart even more than my own kids
when they were younger.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
You'll let your grandkids get away with stuff. You never
let your kids get away with it.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
And when I was younger, I was more in the mix.
I was more trying to chase my dreams.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I was more.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Now I'm just like I'm kicking it with my grandkids.
Like you know, I never really had that opportunity with
my kids when they were younger, because I had goals
and shit and accomplishments that I was trying to achieve.
Right now, I'm not really you ain't chasing it like
I'm not chasing it like that. And with my grandkids,

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it's just the best time ever. Man, It's just it's
the best shit ever.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
You lost your son. Yes, what do you want your
son's cheese memory to be? Uh?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
More than than than his memory?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Right?

Speaker 5 (50:12):
I want the youth to understand how important life is
and how fast your life could be taken from you.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (50:24):
As far as his memories, I'm always keeping his name
alive because that's my son, and I feel as though
he should have been burying me and not be burying him.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
But it's more a lesson to the youth of tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Wayne Promise, So you got to understand that that dumb
shit you out here doing and.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
You intertwined with.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
You can lose your life at any moment, and you
use losing your life don't only affect you and that
your parents and affect you, gotta it affect all the
people that really love you and care about you. Because
a lot of times these youths, they these youngest, they
don't respect life because they ain't got a chance to

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live life yet.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
You know what I mean. I was struggle.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
I'm not I'm not never gonna sugarcoat ship. I was
struggling with my son trying to get them out the streets,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
So I'm not gonna sugar coat none of that ship.
I wish.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
We didn't even have the best relationship when he passed
because he wanted to be a street and I didn't.
I didn't believe in that shit. I didn't subscribe to
that ship. So I'm so my message is for the
youth is that that go.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Ahead and do something that's beneficial to you.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Man.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
The streets ain't beneficial to you. The streets don't love nobody.
If you can show me the drug dealer with the
big house on the hill, I congratulate you. If you
could show me ten successful drug dealers you could tell
me ten Street, I'm gonna show you not that's gonna
tell So all of this shit is a myth. That's
what I want them to know. And it ain't even

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about cheese no more. Is about saving some other lives
that think this shit is more than what it is.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I can't do nothing for cheese.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Cheese is gone, so all I can do is the
things that I believe in islamically buying a wishing well
over here, getting the well over here, doing something for
somebody that's less fortunate, because I believe that that helps
my son in Jenna. But other than that, it ain't
about cheese no more. Cheese ain't here. It's about me

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saving somebody else's life and letting them know that you
can die out here. Somebody will blow your brains out
playing out here and thinking this shit is not serious
when it is. So what do you want to do?
Do you want to live life? You want to be
here for your parents, or you want to subscribe to
this fake street shit and get the melon knocked that,

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get the seeds knocked out your watermelon, Because that's all
that's gonna happen, because it ain't no successful drug dealers
out here. It's not no successful criminals out here. No,
they die and they go to jail. So if you
want to be in jail for the rest of your life,
that's cool. If you want to get the seeds knocked
out your melon, that's cool. But I'm here to tell

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you that's what's gonna happen. That ain't even about Cheese
no more.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I had a conversation with Wallow, and Wallow was the
one that broke the news to you that your son
had passed.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
You remember that conversation.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, No, it wasn't even a conversation.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
It was we was in the hospital and Wallow broke
down and walked out of the hospital. Did you know
something then? Absolutely? Absolutely, one hundred percent. I knew something,
So he said, Okay, Wallow, what's up?

Speaker 3 (54:00):
I already knew.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
So when I followed them out, already knew what it
was because I already knew who was coming from.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
It was coming from Skip.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Skip is a police officer in the Philadelphia Police Department,
So I already knew where it was coming from.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
How did your son get involved? How did Cheese get
involved in that life? Because at this point in time, Gilly,
you had you made a name for yourself.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
You got braid.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Well, you gotta understand, and I can only tell the truth.
Being a follower mean a simple being a follower wanting

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to subscribe to some shit that's not really you. And
that's most of the kids out here, most of the
kids in the suburbs subscribe to shit that it's not
even really them. And then they got to prove themselves. Well,
I don't believe you grew up in the suburbs. I

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don't believe tough. So what you're gonna do. You're gonna
prove yourself. And then a lot of them end up
trying to prove themselves. Then a lot of them end
up in a sad situation. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yes, Like.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Now, I can't say that my kid, my son was
just a totally suburb He hung out in North Philly,
he hung out in the ghettos, he grew he had
family down there.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
So but what he was trying to be wasn't him.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
He chose a life that he didn't have to be. Absolutely.
Absolutely you, on the other hand, you grew up in that.
That's all you love that was around Absolutely your mom
had you out in the burbs. Probably like you said,
when you went to college, it exposed you to something else.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
Absolutely absolutely. So you know a lot of times the
kids in the ghetto they subscribe to something, but because
of an image, they don't want to be looked at
as pussy. The kids oh he turkey, Oh, they don't
want to be looked at as a certain way. So

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that a drama that's not even into that life to
do some shit that he had no business doing because
he don't want to be perceived as a certain way.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I'm sorry that you had to hear the comments about
the Illuminati because you got money now, and normally when
black people get money, you had to do the Illuminati.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
You had to sell your soul.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
So you had to sacrifice your son, right in order
to stay in good graces and keep this people coming.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Now now that we know one of the kids that
was responsible for murdering my son, right, so I guess
the Illuminati came to a sixteen year old kid that's
in high school and said, uh, yeah, we need you
to kill Gilly's son for Illuminati purposes.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
See see how idiotic this shit sounds.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
That as a black man, you can't just work hard, no,
and put the work in every day, and blessings come
from that that you got to come from somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
So I don't pay that shit, no mine.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Do you have you Have you met the kid? Have
you talked to the kid that took your son's life?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
No?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I never. I never met him. I never.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
The only reason why I know is because the police
called me and told me once he was murdered. Once
he got because the kid had just got shot seventeen times.
He was walking with his mom. Oh and he got murdered.
And then the police notified me and let me know
that he was one of the kids that was pretty
much about to get locked up for the murder, but

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he got murdered first. So and then you know, when
you do something in the streets, the streets know. So
you know, they all instagram and they talk and and
you know, apparently this kid name was the Joker, and
you know that's what he did. So you know, but
he had to deal with God. You know, That's how

(58:06):
I look at it.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
And then Charleston White says something disrespect when derogatory towards
your son, but he later apologized.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Did you accept this apology? Do you talk to Charleston?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
No? But you know you can't.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
I can't respect niggas like that because what I know
you for?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
When I asked you, what do you know him for?
Think about it. You don't even know you know him
from disrespecting niggas.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
That's known, right. Think about that. You ain't putting the
work in out here. He ain't did nothing. You got
on the internet at forty some years old, the nigga
that had nothing going on and disrespected niggas that put work.
It can't respond to him like that. Me and you

(58:57):
ain't on the same level. Think about that. I can't
respond to what that called pos online.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Wow. Think about that.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
I can't respond to nobody that tell you come, come,
come through this.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
You got a gun, come nigga us get it. We
can get into it. But then you call it po online.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
Man, It's pretty obviously me and you ain't the same
type of So I let do they talking, man?

Speaker 3 (59:28):
I ain't.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
I don't worry about that shit. Man, we talk about that.
I don't even know what I.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Knew you for. You ain't did nothing.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Wow. Feel what I'm saying I do.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
I don't know what I know you for other than
talking shit about that's known.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
That's actually doing that's actually doing something. What we talking about?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Man?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
You mentioned earlier interviews that you had gotten shot. I
think you got shot in the rest, stomach, in the foot. Yeah,
how did that happen?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Pulled the gun out?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
He got to drop on, you got to drop on.
You didn't run? How about your gun?

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
While I'm still in I told you Wala would have
been dead. We would have been in so hot.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
How do you see you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Slow?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Mother? Father?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I got busy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
How do we get gun violence out of our community?
Is it possible? Giving it's never possible?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Can we can we reduce it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yes, we can reduce it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Okay, some laws gotta change, especially in Philadelphia. See his
laws all different ways. See in Philadelphia you come home
for gun cases. Motherfuckers beat guncases every day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
You know why. In New York, don'kay guns like that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Oh you're going away for a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
They lacked plexical birds, you're going away for a minute.
Birds one of them to Super Bowl. They said we
don't give them.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
He had a gun in the club, take top Yeah,
and he shot himself. Lil Wayne, Yeah, come on, nigga, yeah,
the gun come on. So in New York, don't really
carry guns unless they're going to go do some shit,
right you feel what I'm saying. Philly, everybody carry guns? Yeah,

(01:01:22):
everybody because these big gun cases every day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Oh this mess, this mess, this mess, this smith.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
So until you change the laws, it ain't gonna be
really no gunn then think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
In Atlanta, you just a lot anybody could carry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Oh yeah, yes, it's open carry state. I mean the
South is everything is open.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
That shit's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's the wild, wild West.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I just read I saw about the seventeen year old
basketball player straight a student.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Get there?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Used to be like the athletes, they got protected, right,
nobody touched them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Hey he could not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
He gonna be what you know, gonna be talking about
the block he from the block he got out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
They protected those guys. What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
That's who killed my son.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
The seventeen Yeah, the seventeen year old basketball player that
just got shot seventeen times. Yes, that's who killed my son. Really, Yes,
what was that about?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Well, it wasn't for my son.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Your son happened to be there, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
Oh, them blocks his beef and they going through it.
My son just so happened to pull up out there
five minutes they come to shoot the block up. My
son's not from that block. He don't you feel what
I'm saying. He just so happened to be in the
wrong place at the wrong time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
What that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
That's how deep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
It is, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
He has the potential to get out right, and he
lived in that life.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
No, no, no, but see, you don't understand. He got
videos out where he got a joker mass on, a
bunch of guns in his hand. He So these kids
is influenced by all the wrong things. To ship that
don't matter, you know what I mean to ship that

(01:03:22):
Once upon a time when I was growing up in
the ghetto.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
I was influenced by.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
And then when you when you when you when you
experience things, when you go places, when a vacation that you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Is not going through a toll booth.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
See you gotta understand you from Philly right now, Go
to Atlantic City and you call them and they say
they out of town. You know, i'm ot I hit you, nigga.
You forty five minutes away, nigga?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
What you talking about? That's how poor the city is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Right, Go to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Atlantic City and to tell you, you know, i'm ot
I call you when I get back you thirty nine
minutes away in a car.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Then you told me you ot So.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
You gotta understand that's what we grew up in. These
kids don't know no better. They these kids actually think
that you can't make it as a rapper unless you
killed somebody, unless you did something out here in these streets.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
This is the mindset.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Yeah, why why why is the rap? Why is that glamorized?
Why is going to jail? Or I put that iron out,
putt that stick on something? Why is that glamorized?

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
I told you when I was young, we glamorized the
person that was getting money to hustler. That's why rap
names was like gotty rap games. It was always somebody
that was getting some money. Now, it don't be about
no money or nothing. They'll kill you about an Instagram post.
You're saying you was gonna slide. You ain't slide yet right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Slid?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Oh? Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
So it don't make no sense and no, there's no
answer for it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
It's just like it's just flat out plain stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Have you ever thought about leaving Philly?

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Oh? I live in Jersey, so you know what I mean.
I'm somewhat racist. What that doing by my house? Bro?
Come on, you ain't never seen any my house byself.
It is about my house.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
You provided four million dollars in grants for black owned
businesses and social service, So yes, you feel like that
it's your responsibility, yes, to give back.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Yes, you gotta understand it's people out here that got
businesses and they worked their way up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Nobody ever gave them nothing in their life.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
I had an opportunity to bless a bunch of businesses,
a bunch of people. But that's doing it right because
you just didn't have to be a business. You had
to be a business that struggled throwing the COVID. You
had to be somebody that paid they taxes. You had
to be a real business. And for the minorities that
were real business, it was a pleasure to run up
on them and give them a hundred thousand, fifty thousand,
twenty five thousand, two hundred thousand, whatever it was, it

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was an honor.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I think as a father, I think a lot of
times as a parent, we want our kids to We
don't encourage our kids to follow in our footsteps, but hey,
if they do. So Ay had a son if you
to follow in my footsteps, I didn't encourage that. Okay, fine,
cool to have a daughter following your footstep. What's that
been like?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
You know what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
It's beautiful because she's getting responses that she she's looking for.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Okay, you know what I mean? If they following your footsteps,
they ain't shit. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Your son, your son playing tight end at Common State
two catches in four years.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
He's like, I love a little Shannon shit and a
lot of times.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
But that's that's the hard part, is that when your
dad is successful, and that's what BRONI is up against, right, well,
he ain'ted.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Us with Mike up against little George.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Yeah, I mean, but who who thought that? Okay, God
gonna give you. God's gonna make your son Lebron, gonna
make Lebron James. You're gonna make Michael Jordan. And you
know what, by the way, I think your son should
be just as good as y'all too.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
Look, this don't happen, come on, brother, I mean, but
I'm like they think of Mike's situation. He ah here
selling more sneaks. The niggas playing now with some running
around here yes, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Michael Geordan they played basketball in twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
Years, selling more sneaks than anybody. And your boy, you're
like least the coke in the house, nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yes, damn. You can't even wait till you get to
the Criston.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Get busy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Let me ask you this, But when you hear I
don't know if you heard this, but if you were
to hear somebody say something negative about your daughter, howld
make you feel?

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
I mean, at the end of the day, I'm in
the media, so I know how I go. I understand that,
like you just talked about somebody who talked about my
my son had passed away. That shit don't even make
me feel no type of way because I'm like, you
didn't know me, You didn't know my son.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Right, So.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
For for media or whatever, it's never gonna be all sunshine,
And in the basis of a true character and a
person is what you do when shit is most difficult.
It's not what you do when the sun is shining
and everybody happy when the sun is shining.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
What did you do when shit was most difficult?

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
Did you crack like an egg thrown off the project roof,
or did you say Okay, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
This is what it is. Now let me attack this
ship head on. That's all I'm worrying about because we
don't the way I'm designed. You got me and you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
We don't give about what people say that have no
control over what we're doing. I post shit on my
Instagram for people to talk shit. I don't give up.
This is entertainment. Are you entertained?

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
That's all I care.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
Right If you're not, I ain't doing my job and
I'm not allowed to keep these tens of millions of
dollars coming in because that's all that matter to me
is that my grandkids they ain't gonna have the same
issues that I had. Other than that, maybe everything ain't.
Don't worry my daughter, truly know, do I give about

(01:09:42):
what anybody think about me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
I'm forty eight years old.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
I showed up to a goddamn football game in a
full uniform. Think about that, five pads, knee pads, hand warmers,
the quarterback play sheet, helmet. I didn't even have real
shoulder pads. I had god damn lacrosse. Show the pads
on some of my shito lobside. Think to the point
when the players see me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
They like this grace.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yeah, I am nigger.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I want that super bow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
But and this is what I told tym coach Fryan,
I say, bro, I don't believe the people are hating
on your kids. They're hating you exactly. This is the
opportunity so they might not. This is about you getting
about her, you right, because we want to be protective
of our kids.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I ain't got nothing to guess her. I got everything here.
You don't.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
Absolutely just like that. Uh, just like Shiloh. Yeah, right,
he go to the Shrine game. Right, you didn't see
nothing about any other player come out of the Shrine game.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Shalloh is struggling.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
And coverage because what you ain't never heard nobody say
his daddy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Struggling to coverage.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Right, He's so at the end of the day, what
I do, I d m them that go be great
what they talking about and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Then the game come up.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
And then when the actual game come y'all have no
nothing negative to say, excep if we mean please.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
So that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Man, Well, without further ado, I'm honored to have your
daughter perform right here on clubs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Man. That's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
That's welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I gotta I gotta drink some of this smooth ship to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
That you're the one to be second. Come on coming
to the stage right now. The thing an unreleased plastic cup.
Let me say that my baby New York e late?

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
What top of tummy?

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Old baby Jack? You tap chump baby? We're both by.

Speaker 8 (01:12:09):
A horn, So conversations don't magnosics.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Take a couple ins. Don't backing fink out with you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Who?

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
Alice is sweet?

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
You're heading for the fool shut. I need that ship too.
We both be jump into conclusions. Are we ready for
the truth? I thought they want to get quiet. I
wish your good chess food.

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
O mind, it's half of us opening off. Open up
on the cold baby?

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
What top dog on? Baby Jack?

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Ain't jump chump baby.

Speaker 8 (01:13:07):
We're both matter, so the conversations don't make no sense.
Take a couple heads, sen I'm back and fink out
with you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Who as his fee?

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
God?

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
You out?

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
I ain't gonna do flag.

Speaker 8 (01:13:29):
I get to pick up and loose my garment, says
say lovey on me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
I know I came with If you gonna waste my
Johney mo again, I guess they I'm just your head,
and I said I can better of it. You let
to say that. I'm pretty madic you say you're right
out that you have it. Say it again that you
have it well the boy like you never have it?
Hod on me s it's end of abbit. You had

(01:13:55):
to go get it back that I don't come. I'm
off the Donmus home.

Speaker 7 (01:14:06):
Fastidated explodation, classic col Baby what.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
Tup of Tommy?

Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
Own?

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Baby? Jack at your temper? Chup, baby, We're both batter one.

Speaker 8 (01:14:27):
So conversations don't magnosics.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Take a couple int' bag and forking with you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
Who adee.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
That's New York La singing her unreleased song Plastic Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Let's give it up LUs. Appreciate you brother, I love you.

Speaker 9 (01:15:00):
All my life, running all my life. Sacrifice that's to
pay the price. Wanta slice got the brothers? Why all
my life?

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
I've been grinding all my life, all my life, grunning all.

Speaker 9 (01:15:13):
My life, sacrifice that's to pay the price and want
to slice the brother all my life.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
H at