Club Shay Shay - Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford Part 1 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come on, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another episode
of Club Shayshe on the road, I met the ufc
APEX right here in Las Vegas, Nevada, and the guy
that's stopping by for conversation, and he's gonna give me
some pointers on how to prow puncher and have the
right technique just in case something pop pop. He's the
first mail boxer in history to become a two weight
division undisputed world champion in the four beilt era. He's

(00:22):
the first mail boxer in history to become a two
time undisputed champion, a threeweight ring magazine champion, a four
weight division world champion. He's six times fight the other year.
He's won ten world titles across four weight classes. He's
the undefeated, and then he's a reigning WBA Super well
toweight champion. Here he is, Ladies and gentlemen, the pride

(00:44):
of Omaha budd Crawlers gone on.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh yes, you let your god damn, let's bob out
of cardy. Now you ain't hold up?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hold up boy, you circling Bud.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
You certain.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Boy, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I would have called look at that, don't do that
don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
But I'm just gonna that the cope.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
All right, you go, You're good.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Good to see you, man, How you mean that?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Man, I've been great.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I've been great all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle,
back price, one slice, got the brothers sat all my life.
I've been grinding all my life, all my life, grinning
all my life, sacrifice, hustle, bad price, one slice, got
the brother squat all my life. I've been grinding all

(01:37):
my life.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
You're a flip part right on whatever I need to
be on, Hold on, hold on, let me get let
me get this the doctor. That's the thing, that's the theme.
I'm gonna take your right right, I'm gonna. I'm gonna
just so I know you ain't got no left, So
i'm gonna just I'm gonna you know that, because you
told me, Lie, Look, I'm gonna just take it.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'm gonna just.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Look at it, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So here a temple. I gotta protect the temples.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Right, Okay, So first and foremost you're too square, you
know what I mean? There you go, snow. If you're
right here, man, I can hit you with every every
punch in the book. But if you're right here, you
know what I mean, it's gonna be harder. And you
you slimmer, you're you're a harder target.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
All right. Now you're big man, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
First and foremost, your elbows out. Man, you're gonna be
getting here with body shot your toe a little bit,
you know what I mean, Just a back one a
little bit. Because when you when you when you punching,
you want to spring off. You want to spring. That's
gonna get you a little a little spring and stuff.
There you go, Relax, relax, you know what I mean.

(02:54):
Then when you jab, you want to spring golf of
that one and you just want to step and slide
there you go. Yeah, yeah, but I got a break
you with it. Yeah, sokay, so I might bop you
feel me?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
So when you when you jab, you want to boom,
just keep it tight boom. Don't don't pull it up
too much because now you're straining yourself.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Just let it. Just let it flow you boom. You
ain't even got to be hard. You just let it flow.
Let it flow.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, chaining down a little bit, get that right there.
You want to protect your chin a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
O yo, talking about protect your temple. See o jo,
you don't got me knocked out. I got professionally here.
I know I shouldn't listen to talk about. But you
take your temple. You know you're you're gonna protect that too.
But but you okay protecting this? But how do I
keep from getting body shot?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Man?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Because listen, you know what I mean, if you got
your if you got your elbows in here, if you
throw a body shot, throw a body shot, you just
drop them. But if your elbows out here, if your
elbows out here, and I can I can just touch you,
you know what I mean, I can just touch you
with it or something.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Boom. Come man, you gotta tell you're gonna throw the
body I can see it. I ain't get for that.
So when you hear you just you just drop them.
You just drop them.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
You just drop them because you always want to keep
your hands up, you know what I mean. That's like
if I if I throw a jab, you just boom boom.
You don't you want to stop. You don't want to
do that because you do that, I might fake you.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
So you that that's the faint you're talking about. Come
over the top.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
See there, you go. You just catch it, just catch it. Yeah,
there you go, but.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Not pulling out. You pulling, don't pull.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
So so so let'sten you throw I do this in
back right.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
So I'm boom said, I'm gonna step in.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I'm gonna step in and crack you. So if you
got if you got to hear and you just here,
you just hear here and then I faint you you know, boom,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, getting hit with something that you don't see.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
The puns, A lot of punts that damn there always
gives them out of there is the upper cut. The
car is coming from the blast spine because I'm looking
looking and then you know Tyson was good and notorious
a bam bam or who else h Lenox nice uppercut.
So how do we protect against the upper cut?

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Well, there's two things that you got to worry about
with the uppercut.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
You gotta being close to do it. Now you throw
it from this stance.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right, you're right, But this is this is another case
where I say, you knowing your combinations, you know, and
knowing who you fighting and knowing what combinations that they
love to throw.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Try not to get over this knee which one your
front too much.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Over when you over there, when you when you've been down,
that's when that's when. That's when they need. Now Remember
I said not getting out of position. If you're in position,
it's gonna be hard to hit you with an upper
cut because you can see it, you know what I mean.
And if you do get hit, boom, you kind of
want to you want to get back, you know what

(06:13):
I mean, or step to the side. So if we
here and you sit down a little bit, you know
what I mean, and I come here, just open that boom.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Okay, you don't even gotta do see here is the thing.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Don't see. But you're gonna count and see what I
knocked this down.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
No, I can't counter. I can't counter what I'm counting with. Okay,
if I touch you with this, you got your hand
on you know what I mean. You can you can
catch this and come over the top of the Okay.
I can't be teaching.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I can't even give them to jewels somebody like give
me someone.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, I can't be giving you too much saying it
because now you're gonna try to box and you're gonna
do this.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Channing gonna come and call Jake Paul.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Out, No, hell no, I gotta fight somebody that got
liberty skills like myself. Somebody somebody that finish their fifties
don't know anything about boxing. Okay, you you you like
you fight from the Orthodox aside both? What do you
feel most comfortable with both? So okay, let's just say

(07:26):
you fight from the you fight from the South, the
southball stands the Orthodox, and I'm gonna fight from the South, Paul,
this is my Orthodoxy. So you want me to fight?
So what are you trying to do? Are you trying
to stay in? You're trying to stay inside? You trying
to stay outside? You try to step on my foot.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I ain't trying to step on your foot. It just
depends on what I'm trying to.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Do, okay, because a lot of times you get a
lot of you get a lot of head butts with
what one guy with an Orthodox and the other guys
of South. Paul correct, I can't, I can't.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I can't let you take the outside, you know what
I mean, and and hit you with some shots. And
I can step on the outside and hit you with
some socks. So it just depends on what I'm trying
to do at the moment, I'm trying to I'm trying
not let you hit me with your power shot.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Which one ain't my power shot.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
If you say I'm gonna thank you left, okay, so
I'm gonna hit you with a power shot. That's not
what the left that's okay. I don't feel it got
that same kind of sting, that same kind of venom.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Why do you think that, because.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I just I just feel that. Let me see it. Actually,
this arm a little bigger. Let me take that.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
They both they both do what they suposed to do.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
I know that that that that, but I think that
the right but have a little bit more power. They
both do what they supposed to do.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I'm telling you, if you watch their history, these ones
do what they Yeah, you put them together the ball,
I put them to sleep with left.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
But but what you can do, you can put punches.
Which one you want.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Let me see.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
This. This is a little big I'm hitting me with
this one. This got put this one.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
They be scared of this one. So this one put
them to sleeve.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
But see if your your your right is bigger than
your left, you know, yes it is, look at it.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
No, my left is bigger yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, you see how you got here. That's the delayed reaction.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
That's the delayed reaction that I'm telling you about.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I say, what is the yeah? All right?

Speaker 4 (09:40):
So when you when you hooking, you here, you want
to go on that toe and bring that one flat.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
So this so you hear right here, say you want
this back toe. Remember I told you toe.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
But when you when.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
You hook, you want to change your You want to
hook from the hips. So when you hook, boom, this
toll gonna go up and this one's gonna go down.
So you're here and it's gonna go boom. So you
can do it forty five or you can do straight.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
So so you want to be a Mike Tyson. So
you want to.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Be because because hold on, because I like to think
you for somebody. If I'm in the if I'm a
I'm fighting the hell, I would be a heavyweight. The
guy he ain't gonna ain't no heavyweight. Your size. Listen
with Joe Frad. Joe Frady was probably Joe was about
your height. I'm sure Joe Joe wasn't that tall. He
wouldn't like like all eat the six child. And now
we got the super heavyweight six six five, you know,

(10:37):
six nine Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
So so here we're here. Come from the shoulders. Relax, relax,
always relaxed. Come straight from the shoulders. Boom, open it
up a little bit, bam, but get that that there
you go. So yeah, so you want to come everything
you do, you want to come from the shoulders. Boom,
just turn.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
It hips, use your hips. I did you got bad? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, the artificial got healthy place.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
You need some stretching.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
You need some stretching. Your hymns is like this.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Right now, use your hips when you're coming in there.
You hear bom, and that's where that tour gonna come from.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
The hips.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Your legs all the way up in there. So you
square right now. So you like this, So when you hear,
just bring you straight up. Yeah, but you turn up.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, I'm blowed. Get about five of the motherfuckers in here.
He didn't hit me with everything the upper cut left
the right. Oh man, man, look at sweat, brother, sweat.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
No, it's all good man. It's hot in him.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
The hardest day, like when you see like watching a
fight and you got in the corner, but you just
telling bru get out the corner. Get out of the corner.
It ain't just diseasy. It's just like walking out the corner,
is it? Because I've been in the corner, you know,
I'm watching fights at home and I see somebody in
the corner here and troup. I'm like, bro, get out
of the corner. Get out of the corner. But it's

(12:24):
a lot easier to say it than done, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Facts, So getting out the corner could be difficult. It
depends on you know, if you heard or not, what
type of fight are you fighting in. But for the
most part, let's say you south park right right. Let's
say I got you in the corner. Bam bam, bam,
bam bam. You got three things you can do, right.

(12:47):
You can smother me, no, no, smother him. You can
you can close the distance right, so it's like here
when you get up under you Okay, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
You got that. You can grab me.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yes, that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You can grab me. You can just step around and
turn step step and turn.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Oh okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
You know what I mean. Step step around her feet.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
You are really so you literally tell me step oh
and get you into the head. There you go put it,
but I probably hurt.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Ain't But that's what I'm saying. If you hurt, you
better grab me. Okay, you know what I mean? Everybody think,
oh man, he punk, If you grab me, I'm gonna
grab you right hold up, let me let me get
my thuss together.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Okay, okay, then I'm gonna get back to the center
of the ring. And then you know what I mean,
You have to work for it now because you.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Don't let me. You don't let me out of there.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know you want to you
want to do one when you tired?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Another thing, bro throw punches. He in trouble. It's hard
to throw them punches when you tired.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Bud man, it is, Bud. You gotta That's why you
gotta train. You know, if you if you train hard,
then you shouldn't have that type of problems really, or
you know, when when you is tired, you than train
so are that you learn how to deal with being
tired and fatisical and still being the throw punching.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You know when you tie? Does it get more difficult
as the rounds go? And let's say the pace because
a lot of it is determined by pace. I mean,
if it's a fight, you know, and it's you know,
you guys feeling each other out the first couple of
rounds and so forth and song not as the pace
starts to pick up. Does it get harder to get
someone out once you start to start to fatigue in
the later rounds.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
But at the same time, we all didn't got tired before,
but now that's when that second win kitchen.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Do you know when someone's getting tired?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Of course? Can you tell we all can you know?

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Well, we can, we can you know, uh, certain things,
you know, body languages and you know when you tie
the mouth, when you tie up and in the clinch.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
You know what I mean, you can.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Like, oh, you you tell them a little bit of pressure,
or they not fighting the same level that they was
fighting at earlier, you know, or they just you can
tell that they're just trying to pace themselves.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
You're taking all that information in yeah, of course, you know. Yeah,
you're in a street fighting right, let's go people, man,
He ain't fight fair, ain't no.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Fear, no street fight, ain't nothing, ain't nothing.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Fair in bottle a brad. Whatever the casion may be
on the street.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Fight I'm gonna hurt you.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
See, I don't want to hurt you.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I don't, I don't. I don't want to fight. And
straight I'm gonna hurt you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
But they they they your hands with deadly weapons. So
you can't get a fight. It's best for you to
just like hey, bro, nah, just be like.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Man, just chill oud man, because I'm gonna suck you up.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I'm over here, bro a bro, ain't on what you already?
Go ahead, go ahead, or you got it, you.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Got it, you got it, you got it. That's because
the order me. Because here's the thing. But people they
look at you, they look at your size. Yeah, and
that's the biggest mistake that you can make on somebody.
First thing I'm looking for I'm looking at his ears.
You got college fly, you might be ufc to have
you flopping and everybody, Now you're.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Mean, I ain't worried about that.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, but bum saying though, buddy, you got hands like that.
Everybody got hands to me. I'm looking at it.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I'm looking at your hands in your body language.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Nah, but I see, hey, I'm not gonna let you
get apartment. I'm looking at the mirrors from.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
An even if I'm not on you, I'm looking at
your hands, in your body language. That's the first thing
I'm looking at because we're in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, you know what I mean? What what.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Ain't nobody fight no more so he's just like, man, listen,
you good, you got it?

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah you got to like that.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah that's what I thought. Yeah, you're right, You're right, bro,
you got it.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
And I just leave peacefully. Yeah, then when you come outside.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
No, if I leave people getting I'm going. But that's
the thing that I would tell you is that like
if you getting into it and y'all once the voices
start to raise, bud and it's all that mofos and bet.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
And we closed, I probably already punched you.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
That's the same. But you not go let somebody close
the distance.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
I'm not about to argue with your way over there though.
That's the thing, okay, you know I'm not about to.
That's that we used to call uh people like that.
They scared because they want everybody to to come in
and hey, man, y'all need to start.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Man.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
But if if we everybody to do this like what
you're talking about, and we here, we here we're not
about to man, what you say?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Send it? Send it? What's that stuff you said? Man said? No,
I beat you up. Man.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
Now, everybody's gonna break it up and now and everybody listen.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Hey, but hey, I would take you mos.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Oh listen, listen, listen, listen. All right, were on the
streets were not well?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Ohay that little.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Boy? What boy? Oh? No boy, no boy? Yeah, that's
what I want. I say. You're gonna be tired minute.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I'm already tired about what you're talking about. What you're
talking about the mint.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You're gonna be tired in the minute.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I'm already You're gonna be tired in a minute. All right, now, Shanny,
sit back, say back, breathe me. Now, listen, you did
good that round. Okay, but you didn't do good. I see,
I see what you're trying to do. But you gotta
keep your hands up.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Okay, go back to the BASSA one to Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Keep the jabba. Come on, get out there, champing?

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Hey, how many how many more minutes we got?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Coach? He get out there? You got you got another round? Hey? Okay, how.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
All the muscles? I told you? I told you you
was gonna get tired with all your muscles. I told
you and see I'm little, yeah see and and you
didn't get me out of there.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Now you I got you out in the first round.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Now it's gonna now.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Now, now it's my turn. You're gonna be rolling around
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
You're gonna drag me to the DP.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Hey, you're gonna be rolling around.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Tell you about.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I got as like Tommy Hurd has had on Martin Longo.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Hey, you're gonna be talking about you got as.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You ain't never do you see? I see, I see,
I decided to do something.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
You know, the time I can't breathe. That's how them
big dudes on my head coach.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
All times.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
I was bro remember saying, though five on folk these
days winning only din it? I know fail so many
times now getting dance strong took so many ails down
money getting.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
We were you were bull jabbing it up I did.
I was like, you threw a punch. I would do
this and I will come back. He was like, man,
that's a little ass. Points matter hit you like sel
eight times. Alright, So with somebody like that drag and
and Florida is good with that. Like somebody throwing he probably.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Bailed, did you?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, how do you know what's coming? And then
how do you conteract that?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Floyd is so good as timing people? Yeah, I got speed.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
So by time you already threw your hand out, he
already didn't seen it, and he already in motion to
hit you.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So the only thing you can do is five. It's
just bracebok, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (21:09):
So when you out of position, Floyd is good at
getting fighters out of position, right, So when you're out
of position, you know what I mean, you just got
to eat it.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
You know what if it's like because a lot of
people say, well Floyd Floyd ain't got no power. But
if he ain't got no power, white people didn't walk
him down. He did something to keep y'all look off it.
Fact is it is speed? Is power generated through speed
or is it generated through sitting down? Okay?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Both?

Speaker 4 (21:38):
You know, because I can hit you with something something
fast and you don't see.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
It, and you be like oh shit, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
It's like whip flash, or I can hit you with
something that you see but I sat down on it
and it's like boom, and you're like, man, this motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And crack me. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Right, So it's both. You know, speed is powered though,
but the ones that you don't see hurt you or work.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, that's that's the thing is. It's that. That's what
I tell people, like, what's the hardest you've been hit? Well,
I didn't see it. I'm going here and I'm like, damn, well,
if I see you coming.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I can you embrace for it.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
I can brace for it and you can feel the
force and you can know that it was it was powerful, right,
you know, but but.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
You took a lot of the sting out of it
because you brace for it. But that one that you
don't see when you in the ring, and you like,
because the hardest thing is is the state focused once
you tired? Is that? And they you know, Coach Lombardi
once said, fatigue make cowards of us.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
All.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
So, all of a sudden, now you and because everybody
feels good, the first couple of round, you're like, yeah, yeah,
I feel good. Age, you're doing good, Son, you're doing good.
You're on your told you bounced a round. Now we
get around six or seven, and now all of a sudden,
the punch is starting to uptick. So instead of throwing ten, fifteen,
twenty punches. Now all of a sudden, it's a thirty
forty fifty punch output. Now you got to really stay

(22:53):
focused because when you get tired, that jaw drop. Now
you're in the middle of the ring.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
So how do you how do you stay?

Speaker 1 (23:00):
How do you stay? Really? Because I think the biggest
thing is staying relaxed, because that takes a lot of energy.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
It's it's it's something that a lot of fighters, you know,
struggle with. But being that I'm an experience and I've
been doing it for so long, I'm used to it.
You know, I'm used to staying calm in the storm.
You know, all great fighters is used to it. You

(23:28):
got you know, it comes with experience. I'm gonna just
say it comes with the experience.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
You know. Uh, some fighters, you see, they throwing a.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Hundred punches around and you know, they aven got no
look on their face.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
It's because they've been doing it for so long, right.
You know.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Other other fighters, you know, you see them breaking down
and falling apart when they get tired, you know, And
you know that's when the inexperience come into play. When
you're tired, you gotta go back to the fundamentals, you know,
keep your hands up and stick to your guns.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's the hard hardest thing because you know doing it,
and people like man three readers say nothing. I was like,
I'll tell you, tell you what. Just hold your hand.
I ain't say throw no punches. I want you to
hold your hands just like this for three minutes and
just move around there. That's it. Now do that and
just you know, just shatow. But I ain't talking about
you know, you got to throw no power and let
me know how you feel. Now do that for twelve

(24:20):
rounds and see how you feel. Three minutes doesn't seem
like a long time, but when you're getting stalked or
you're stalking somebody, that's a long period of time. Because
the hardest thing that I found out, Bud, that I
stopped breathing. I hold my breath and now here we
are men at the half of it, rateon, I'm exhausted.
I'm exhausted, so I couldn't the hardest thing for me

(24:43):
is that I couldn't relax because when I run around, Budd,
I'm holding my breath. I'm not breathing. Catch the ball, run,
I start breathing again, I can't do that.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
In boxing and on you can't do that, and you
can't say, coach, let me take one.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Hut be doing You can't.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
You can't go on the sideline and be like, let
me take two players.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah yeah, let me.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Get me if you yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
But I love it though. I love it though, because
you know, I'm so competitive. It's like I used to
get into it with my teammates because of the wrong
things that they were doing, or they're not working as
hard as I am. You know, if I want to
win so bad that I'm about to beat you up

(25:35):
because you like, I don't care. It's just one play.
No one play can cause us the game, right, you know?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Or you missing layups you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Like that that that's on the team, Like, nah, cut
it out, it's gonna be on me.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Let me put it on my back.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
At any point in time in your career, I'm not
just saying professionally, your amateur career when you was taught,
did you feel that you went into the ring and
you weren't prepared?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Most definitely? Most definitely.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I mean I hadn't lost twice as an amateur for
not being prepared and not being in shape, and they
just all worked me. I remember, you know what i mean,
going to the corner out of shape and I'm like, man,
this he couldn't fight.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
But he's just punching and I'm out there trying to
knock my out, wing in and stuff, and I'm just like, man,
I don't never want to feel that that feeling ever
again in life, because it's like, for one, it's embarrassing
to be this this top amateur and you losing to people.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
That you know, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
So it's just like, bro, if I'm in shape and
I'm trained to the best of my ability, I don't
think nobody can beat me. That's just been my model
my whole life since I've been working, like really working
in the gym. Because when when you're little, you come
in the gym, you hit the speedbag, you play around

(26:58):
with your friends and stuff like that, and y'all go
to tournaments and y'all just go to tournaments.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
But when you start.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Getting to that elite level and the amateurs, like everybody's good,
you know, you're fighting different styles every day you you fighting,
you know what I mean? Overseas and stuff like that.
So it changed my life and my training resimeent. So
everything was.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Like hard, go go, go, go go.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
And then you start seeing the outcome, It's like, oh man,
if I'm.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
This this terance right man, these boys can't be me. Wow.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
And then looking at the way Floyd Mayweather train that
was so inspired. You know how you know he'll run
from the strip club like everybody think, you know, just
because he's out there party.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
He don't drink or smoke. He had run from the
strip club.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
You always working, just working, working, And I just took
that from Floyd, like I just just work.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Stop, stop, let back through.

Speaker 6 (27:59):
If you see the smoke, I'm not just sailing all
my guess made it killing what it costs to get
a million. I'm living life for real. Can't be out
here moving semit. They love to see you feel this
risky a minute.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
What gave Bud Crawford the confidence that he could be
a world champion.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Of the doctors, the doctors and my belief in myself,
you know, I think me believing in myself and the
heart that I pose within my my chest, that I
don't care who you is.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
If you ain't fault me, you can't.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Nobody tell me you can beat me, right, you know,
So it just always being that I had a chip
on my shoulder and every sport to prove like I
belong here, I'm better than these guys that you're praising.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So I just always carry myself like.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
You still have that. Now you won ten belts over
four different weight divisions, you are too, your two division
undisputed in the four belt era. You're the only male
that's done that. You still have doubts, You still feel.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
You have something to prove, of course.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Because they don't believe you gonna be able to do
what you what you believe you could do.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Except facts.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
And that's and that's the joy in it, you know,
proving everybody wrong. You know, havn't having the ability to
see the look on everybody's face when everybody say, oh man,
he's this, he ain't for nobody, or he's not that good,
or he's gonna get knocked out.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I've been hearing that my whole career, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Then when I succeed, then it's so no, it's not quiet.
It's so it's like I didn't faught everybody that everybody
wanted me to fight.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
But then it's, oh, you haven't fought nobody, Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Cool, you know, and I heard that because when you fall,
Earl man, that car rich took everything he had out
of him. So if you'd have falled it three years before,
that ain't no way, Earl White white floor. So let
me ask you this in septem are you gonna pull this?
I shook up the world. I told you, I told you,
I told you, I told you, I told you that.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Definitely, that's definitely gonna be you know what I mean.
One in the moments, you know, and I just smile
because a lot of the people that personally know me,
they know they like man, I don't know why they
doubting that boy, you know, and it's cool, But I
need that. I need the doubters to fuel me. I

(30:31):
need the people to say, oh, well, look at his
fight again, smag him off.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
You know what you think he'll do if he go
up two more away classes.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
I need that, you know, because that that's gonna make
me more focused and turn into a different animal.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
So I need the people to say I can't do this.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Or I'm not good enough, or I'm not strong enough,
or this person gonna knock me out because that makes
me get up and you know, turn into super.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Say rights, as you move up in weight, some of
the time they're say, well, you move up and weight,
you lose some of the power. But do you feel
that you'll still be able to maintain that level of
quickness moving up to weight classes? I mean that's gonna
be fourteen pounds, moving up fourteen pounds, are you still
gonna be able to possess Because everybody says, well, Canelo

(31:22):
has power, that's his natural fighting weight. You're moving up,
that's not your natural fighting weight. You have the speed advantage,
So are you going to be able to maintain that
speed advantage and still be able to pack a punch?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Of course? You know, I think you know, if you
can punch, you can punch.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Okay, you know, it may not have the same effect
that it did on a smaller guy on a bigger guy,
but if you if you're sharp, you're sharp, right, you know,
and I don't got to knock him out, I just
got to beat him, right. A lot of people are
thinking just because a person punch harder.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Than you know, another fighter that they automatic on win.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
It's a lot of fighters that lost, you know, and
they punched way harder than the fighter that they lost to. Right,
Canelo is not just a puncher.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I don't know why. That's that's what people believe.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
It's just like this, they don't know boxing. They just
looking at him being strong. He's a great boxer, you.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
People taking away from his boxing skills and just thinking
that he's just this puncher when that's not true. So
that's why I laugh, because we're not just looking at
Canelo as a puncher.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Were looking at him as a whole fighter, a complete fighter.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
You know, he can take a punch, he can deliver
a punch, he can counter punch you, he can box you,
he can punch on you, you know what I mean.
A good body puncher, good you know, fighter that got
good balance. He never getting out of position. So we
looking at all that.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Where were you when you decided to say, you know what,
my next great event?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's crazy, I don't even know. I don't even know
where I.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Was at, but it was like, I'm always willing to
challenge myself, like like today with you.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
You know, it's just it's just it's just it's just emmy.
It's just a competitive nature, emmy.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
You know, if I was sitting sitting next to Michael
Jordan and I'd be like, man, let's play one on one.
Let me see how many I can score on you.
You know, that's just that's just me so accomplishing so
much and failing to have the many pack y'all fights,

(33:44):
you know, the Kodo fights and the Shane Mosley that
all the other great fighters had when these fighters was
on their way out, you know, that made them, you know,
the star that they is not having those guys to
share the ring with, right, It's like, oh, man, what
can you do to leap frog those fighters? Why not

(34:10):
go up three with weight classes? I wanted to go
up three just to be honest. I didn't want to
fight at one fifty four. I want to go You
want to go straight from forty seven to sixty eight?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yes? I did. It is documented.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
I wanted to go from one forty seven on one
sixty eight just because I want to challenge myself.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
But that's it, Yeah, that's and that's the joy of it.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
That's the joy of it. Everybody's like, man, boy, you're crazy. Yeah,
you got to be crazy to think of things.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, because that's not a whole lot of guys. I mean,
Roy went from one sixty eight to one and he
weighed the heavyweight and he I think he weighed one
ninety three in that fight, So that was basically I mean,
that's twenty five pounds that he went up. You be
going up twenty you be going up twenty one pounds,
and normally guys like go up incrementally. You know you
thought it, because if I'm not mistaken, I think Sugar

(35:03):
Ray and Durance fought it lightweight that win thirty five.
I think No. One forty seven. Yeah, because I know,
I know, I know, Uh, Sugar Ray and Haggler, I'm
excuse my hearents forty forty seven. But Sugar Ray and
Hagler thought it went sixty and I'm like, okay, one
forty seven, he go to one fifty four, he go
to one sixty.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
We cool, okay, But now I okay, I like that.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
But think about going to super middle.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah, that's that's that's the excitement about it. You know
when I look at it, like, I always had this
this mind frame of the bigger they are, the harder
they fall. Okay, I've been beating up big dudes all night.
It's just even if they didn't, I'm gonna beat you up.

(35:49):
You know I can fight right, you know. So if
you watch like all these dudes bigger than me, yeah,
you know, like I don't care, but I'm going to
find a way win no matter what.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Okay, you win this fight, then what who you? I mean?
Where you go from that? Bud? You can't go back down?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I might go to heavyweight now I just fla but
who I mean?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I mean? I mean once you let's just say for
the sake of argument, and I'm gonna say, you know, Bud,
you win, you win this fight at one sixty eight.
You can't fight someone else. You can't fight anybody at
one forty seven because their bout say why these fight
that way?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah? I can't.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I can't make one forty seven either, anyway, you can't
make one forty seven again, what about fifty four?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Junior middle And we're gonna go to one sixty eight.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
So you're gonna go to one sixty eight to stay there.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I'm thinking about nothing but one. No, but that one
sixty is it over?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
After that?

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't know. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not
gonna say that will be left. I don't know. That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
You would have scaled the seven Summits and finished off
with my margreet.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
We might do a rematch and near y know, never know.

Speaker 6 (36:55):
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Nick Smoles put is smoke in the sky? Do we
say's a couple of mahas rist.

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Speaker 1 (38:34):
How to hear you get to name bulld How you
get bud out.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Of terrace asksing me.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
I asked my mom the same question, said that you know,
when I was a little kid, they used to call
me Spud.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Like, don't call them spud, call him Bud. Okay, it's
still ever since I was a baby, they've been calling
me Bud.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Does anybody in your family call you Terrance? So everybody
just call you Bud.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Everybody called me Bud. Nobody really called them Terrence.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Well, we got to Laportie up here. But you don't
drink or you don't smoke, and you're getting ready to
put the arguably one of your biggest fights. So congratulations
on everything. But we're gonna get into it right quick.
You're from Omaha, Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska, and you never left.
What's special about Omaha to Terrence carl.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Uh, Omaha is home.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Omaha is specially just like any other city that any
other athlete came up out of. You hear a lot
of athlete and a lot of people say, oh, where
I'm from Philly, I'm from Chicago, Detroit or Texas whatever
so forth.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I'm from Nebraska. I'm from mamah home.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
And that's what I put on for and that's where
I give the most hope to the youth.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Did you ever when you were growing up like, man,
I can't wait to get our Omaha because you see
a lot of people like you come. Man, I couldn't.
I can't wait to leave this. I can't wait to
leave that. But it seemingly, as you mentioned, this is home.
It's very special place, and I'm not so sure you
ever wanted to leave Omaha.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
No. I just always said I can't wait to make
it for Okay, okay, because Omaha is not a hot
bed for boxing. Omaha is a place where when I
used to go to national tournaments and we got the
Nebraska team, they'd be like, oh, we got one, got

(40:32):
easy one today, you know what I mean. So I
want to change that narrative.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
You know I did that ten times.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Describe Omaha for people that's never been to Omaha, that
doesn't live in Omaha. For the people that's gonna watch this,
gonna listen to this, describe Omaha to.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Them, Well, first and foremost, it's black people.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
And besides you and your family.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Let's see, that's what I'm saying. So let's let's get
that out there. Okay.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
A lot of people, you know where you say you
from Omar, they be like, it's black people.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Know what Gabrielle Uni from Omaha. Malcolm X from omahas.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Malcolm X great Ron Buffett.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
You know, Omaha is a place where, you know, it's
not as fast as the bigger cities, but you know,
we have the same things like any other big city.
We got crime, we got you know, nice parts, we
got the you know.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Not so nice parts, not so nice parts.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
But you know, Omaha is a great place that you
can raise a family at. It's a nice place to visit.
And Omar's where's that to me?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
You and I was having a conversation off camera. You
say you got seven kids, and You're like, man, tell
me this, where would you want to raise your kids.
He's like, LA's too fast. New York's too crowded, X
Y and Z. You said, Omaha, that's the best place
that I can raise my kids.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
When I look at cities and I say, all right,
what I want to raise my kid in that city
in that type of environment, I'd be like, no, you know,
I don't want to I don't want to shield them,
but at the same time, I want to kind of
protect them from the world. That's it could be a
negative vibe. I like Colorado Springs as well. You know,

(42:22):
Colorado Springs kind of remind me of Omaha type type city.
But the best thing about Colorado Springs is you can
go to Denver.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
And go to yes a football, Yeah, man, go to an.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Because ain't nothing. But it ain't nothing but the Olympic boxing,
Olympic training facility and the Air Force category. Right, that's it.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Yeah, But then I can go back, you know and chill. Right,
you know, uh, see a see ah, some.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Beers in the morning, see a bear here.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
You know, I like the wildlife, right, So describe your neighborhood.
What was what was Bud Crawford's neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Like, Oh, my neighborhood was fun. You had all kinds
of kids in the neighborhood with it.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Was it mainly black? Was it mixture black bay?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Many blacks run around the neighborhood. Were fighting. We've been friends.
The next day we all playing sports together. We either
on different teams and playing football. We're on the same team.
We'll all get our paths together and go in the
field across the street and be seeing who running who over,

(43:36):
or we playing you know killer Man two in touch,
or you know, just just being kids. You know, walking
around the corner trying to get on the girls. My
neighborhood was was fun. But you don't see neighborhoods like that.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
No more.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
No, Well, did you experience racism? I mean kept, it's
just the natural thing. People think like like you said,
you're like, okay, there are black people in there are
black people in the Omaha and in Nebraska, contrary to
what you by have heard of what you might perceive.
So did you did you ever in experience or come
in contact with any racism?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Never? Never, I can't.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
I can't remember one time where I actually I can
say that I experienced a person.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Like calling me out my name?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Right, wow, you know now.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Biased, yes, you know, being rude. Yes, but a person
like you there you this and that that?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Never?

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Wow, never, you know, I can't, I can't say that.
And then for the most part north Omaha it's primarily black.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
You ever met what you mentioned Warren Buffett being from Omaha.
Have you ever met Warren Buffet? Yeah, plenty of times.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
He gave you some great advice. Yeah, warren't cool. Warn't cool.
He chill.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
You know, we sit there, we have we have little
little meetings, little little conversations and he drink his co colon,
eat his popcorn and just like a regular person. You
know when people look at war and they'd be like,
oh man, this guy is like like so like smart,
got so much money, but just a regular person like us.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
You know, how has.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Been from Omaha, been from the neighborhood that you're from,
that upbringing. How does that shape demand we see sitting
here today.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
I think it made me more humble. I think it
made me more reserved in a sense of not trying to.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Get all up into the hype.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
You know, where you see people from LA they all
want to be Hollywood. They all want to dress a
certain way. When you're saying way with New York, you
know everybody, I gotta have these or I gotta do this,
I got to do that, you know, and other other
cities they want to be rappers. You know, I got
to have all the jury and I got to have

(46:00):
all the rings and the bling, and you know, I
got to spend all my money on cars because that's
what people like. And I think being from Omaha have
kept me grounded to the to the point where you know, uh,
I'm more business minded than worried about what everybody else think.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Then, when you growing up in Omaha, did you see
because a lot of times, you know, in La you
saw people with fancy cars and jewelry and nice clothes,
same thing in New York and a lot of other cities.
Did you see anybody in Omaha that had jewelry, that
had nice cars, that that dressed a certain type of
way that you like, Man, I give me some money,
I'm gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Of course, I think all of us have growing up,
but I was taught at an early age. You know,
if you can have this car, in this car, they
both gonna get to the destination at the same time, right,
you know, So if you want to spend five hundred
thousand dollars on this car, that's gonna depreciate, right, and

(46:56):
it's not an asset. Or do you want to spend
twenty thousand dollars on this car that's gonna work just
as well as this car and it costs less to
fix it up. Then buy you some assets on the side,
and then you know, playing for your future or you're
gonna live for now.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Raised by single mom, how much of a challenge was that?
Did you notice that, you know, being a single mom,
and they're probably financial struggle. I don't know, you know,
what was what was your you know what she did
for a living, But was it hard? Did you did
you know that man my friends might have something or
did you go without meals? Did you clothing? So what

(47:39):
was that your upbringing as far as being a single
you know, being raised by single parent, Well, my.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Upbringing was was was cool because I have a family
that supported.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Okay, you know, extended family, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
For sure, my aunts, my uncles, things like that, my cousins,
My mom, you know, was married. You know, my dad
was in the military, Okay, so he was always send
money home every month. But at the same time, you know,
sometimes that wouldn't be enough. So I couldn't get the
clothes that I want. I couldn't get the shoes that

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I want. So enduring, so I will always get in
a fights because people will talking about my clothes. People
always talk about my shoes. So I'm like, all right,
I didn't have the jokes you had to make. You
had to bun I'd had a joke. So, you know,
people calling me dark Vader, calling me oil spear and

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stuff like that, and then everybody laughing.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
You a better person.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I punched kind of been like, oh so it's funny,
I got you what.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
But that's the thing, boy, I'm trying to figure out.
You don't get bad at the goud laughing. You get
bad at yo. But why did guy, you get bad
and got laughing?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I didn't tell the.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Joke because you would be the one that drags it out.
So so save me and you you, my homie, you
you you you bagging on the Yeah, you got the
right because we friend, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
But you who is man? Who is this dude?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Why you laughing?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
And he just drag ah?

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Now everybody else laughing because they laughing at how he
dragging it out?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yo, Now everybody laughing at you.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
So you got into it a lot growing up at
the kidhoud.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
And I'll fall a lot. I full a lot.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
So you fight in school, you fight outside of school?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Right when did you When.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Did your mom say, hey, son, you got you gotta hey,
you got to channel this. Let's let's get you into
something that you can channel this this anger?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
What what did you think to stem from?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
My dad?

Speaker 4 (49:42):
And I been there, you know, and and my mom
wasn't the one that got me in boxing really really sold.
The owner of the gym live right behind me. Okay,
so me being in the neighborhood running.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Around the neighborhood bad.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
He will always try to get all the little kids
to do something positive. So he had boxing down there.
He had singing, he had dancing talent shows. Take us
to go sell raffle tickets, you know, so we can
have some money. And he was a big, big influence, uh.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Person in the community. Still there, still he asked.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
He stopped me and a couple of friends that asked
that we want to box.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I ran home, like, hey man, some some strangers.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Trying to talk to me, you know, he knocking on
the door, and when he when he come in, everybody
greeting him.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I'm like, this is the dude.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
I'm telling y'all. They're like, oh, well, your dad and
your uncle box for him. Yeah, you know, uh so
Boston kind of ran in your family. So your uncle box,
your dad box. Okay, wow, okay, so that was that
was you you So you had no choice but to
be a boxed for sure.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Definitely.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
So my mom asked me that I want to go,
and I told her, yeah, so go down there start boxing.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I get through what you got thrown out. So so
the coach.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
The coach and me bumped heads because I was this
kid like, you're not about to be cussing at me, okay,
yelling at me, telling me get.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Your little badass over there and do them.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Push ups like you talking to me my daddy, Like
you ain't about to be cussing at me.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
So we clash and kicked me out.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
So I'm like, whatever, I come back to the gym,
I'm hitting the speed bag. He like, then, I tell
you a little bad ass, don't just be hitting them
bags without no gloves and this and that, and I'm
I started arguing with him again. I'm like, man, this
ain't your gym, man, Carl Jim. You know, it's just
a coach here we arguing, We bumping heads. Man, he

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kicked me out. I was off like five years.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Damn. I cut out in care. I just went to
other sports, right, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
And in two thousand and two they made these little
pamphlets with my face on it like I'm some kind
of fijo children.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
You gotta see it. Come on, man, hey man, it
goes c W need you and I'm on.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
As she lives it off and I'm it's like they
try to sell me, so I come back. You know,
I'm like, man, I'm not boxing, man, So everybody's just
all trying to get me to come back.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Uh. My guy Risindo. He Mexican.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
He was boxing at the time, and he was running
through all the little kids in the gym, and they like, man,
when you was here, you was the baddest little little
kid in there.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Man.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
We got this slow Mexican down oh called the body Snatcher.
He dropping everything. And I'm like, man, I don't care
what y'all talking about. Man, I come in there and
whoop them. So we're going back and forth. And we
got this thing called Family Night that uh we we
throw to raise money for the for the gym. Yeah,

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They're like, well we got Family Night. Come down there.
I'm like what I come down there? Like They're like, ah, man,
you ain't coming down there. You're scared what I'm scared for.
So they basically challenged me, oh, come back to the gym.
So I come down there. He getting out the rent
he had already sparred.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I was mad.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I'm like, man, I came all the way down here
and he already getting out the gym. I didn't see
him fighting on nothing. They're like, well, come back to
the gym. So I come back to the gym. I'm like,
all right, let's spark AND's like all right, you knowing
you got.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
I'm like, oh man, here we go.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Get But I'm older now, so I'm like all right.
So then I started training and I've been back ever since.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Did you uh?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Did you take back over the gym? Old boy drop you? No,
he ain't dropped nothing. He knocked the win out of me,
did dry that? But we'll always compete, right and you
know that that That definitely.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Took me to the next level.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Your story is very unique because you grew up in
a very matriarchal mom, grandma, aunt, sister. What was that?
What was that like? Because you said a lot of
you believe a lot of your troublestem from not having
your father there, not having that dominant male figure for
the time being until the boxing coaches came into your life.
So what was it like? So your mom? I mean

(54:30):
normally sometimes you know, like you said, you know you
do it. It's something about a father's voice that that sternness,
that firmness that you know that you're like, okay, he
mean business, mom, you play, I'm going to do what
I want to do.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
I don't believe you.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
No, my mom was tough, man. I used to get
whooped all the talk, you know what I mean. My
mom wasn't having it.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
But the thing is it was hard because I didn't
have no brothers. Oh, you know, I had older cousins,
but I didn't have no brothers. So in the household
with just you and your two sisters and your mom
at work, and your sisters really don't like you. They
really ain't messing with you, and it's like you're just
sitting there, like, man, what I want to do? Like,

(55:14):
you know, every time I go in there, I'm getting
beat up because they don't want me in their room.
I can't say nothing to them because they think I'm
bothering them when I'm really bored, you know what I mean.
I'm trying to talk to something. So it's just like,
all right, man, I'm leaving the house. So then it
got to the point where I started leaving the house.
My mom asking where you at, and I'm at the

(55:35):
fishing pond. I'm fishing. I'm getting in trouble. I'm shooting
pavilions up with BB guns and things like that, getting
in trouble. And you know, that's when the trouble started,
transitioning it from me just sitting in the house to
me Then I saw.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
You say, you're dad with the military. How often did
you see your dad?

Speaker 4 (55:56):
My dad used to come like probably once twice a
year because he'd be out to see for like six months. Wow,
so he was in the navy. Yeah, do that also
shaped you. I used to flip out when you see
man when he leave? Oh so, because it's crazy because
my dad, like when he used to come home, he

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used to be on for like five days.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's it, man, you're going for like six months home
for five days.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I forget at least two.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Weeks because he lived in Virginia. Oh okay, you know,
so he lived in Virginia and we lived in Omar.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
So I used to flip out.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
It used to be so bad where they used to
take me out of school to go send my dad
off because I flip out.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
You know, did you ever want to go with him?
Did you ever want to go back to Virginia with it?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, for sure, your mom said no, no about her
her kids out there.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
So we actually did go, me and my sister.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
You know, my mom was like, all right, forget it,
you know here, Yeah, T T and y'all want to
go out there so bad. Oh she don't care. She
don't care about that. So we go out there and
they had a hurricane. It was bad, wow, you know
what I mean, tore up the trees and stuff. We
didn't have no lights, no water, no nothing for like, man,

(57:17):
two weeks, but it lasted for like a month. And
that two weeks my mom was like, man, send my
mother fucking kids back home. So there we moved back home, right,
we never go back to Virginia.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Do you think you would have become the bud that
we see here today had your father been in your life,
because it seemed like a lot of times chaos and
turmoil shapes uthing to the people. We don't see it
at the time, but a lot of that that angrery
what you had, you was able to channel that. You
was able to focus it and become a multi world champion.

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How different do you think your life would have been
had your dad been there every single day?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
How I think my life?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah? How different would your life have been now different.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
You know, I definitely think I'll still be you still,
but I think, you know what I mean, i'd be
more successful really.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Yeah. Like my dad was like way different really yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Like I think I got in more trouble being that
he wasn't there, Because when I got to a certain age,
it was like, Mom, you ain't whooping me no more.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Put that belt down.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
I don't know what you raising that belt for it,
you know, And being that my dad never whooped me,
you know, he always talked to me and gave me
a solution. Oh okay, you know you're like, at why
are you doing that? You know, he always wanted to
know why.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
My mom she didn't care. She was just like, oh
so you want to do this? You want? Wow?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
You think you were mad?

Speaker 4 (58:48):
So it didn't got to the point where I go
to school you say something I don't like, damn. But
because that's when I was taught as a kid, if
I said something that my mom didn't like, I was
getting my ass for. If I did something that my
mom didn't like, I was getting my ass right, you
know what I mean. So every time it was something negative,

(59:09):
I was getting my ass for. So I carried that
on in my life when hours with my peers, what
say something? Oh really, because that's all I knew?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Did you feel your do you feel like it was excessive?
Did you feel your mom sometimes whoop you for no
reason because you said that sometimes you would just say
stuff and it was boom if you did something, boom,
You're like.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Dagn mom, I can't do anything. Do you feel like
you couldn't do anything? Right? No? No, you feel you
deserve they asked my Hell no, it.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Was a lot of times that I didn't even do shit.
My mom be like, I know your ass was gonna
do something. But the crazy thing about it is I'm
a mama's boy, right, you know. And my mom like
used to shield me from everybody, like nah, he ain't
going nowhere, like he he can't go? Like why like nah,

(01:00:04):
because everybody was like I was bad. So she was
always like, no, You're gonna stay here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Because my mom prayed for me. She's always said, always
prayed for because my two sisters.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Is light skinned. I always pray for a black son.
I want the black son. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
My dad, My dad likes skinning my two sister, like
skinning I'm her black son. She always like me and
my mom was like like like that. But when my
mom and my dad started getting into it, that's when
she you look like your dad, you're just black. It's
like my dad give me in trouble me so you

(01:00:40):
know what I mean. But my mom, that was my
that's my heart. When you were growing up, did your
mom tell you she loved you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Did she hook?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
No, No, she ain't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
She ain't she know she a and all that that
love and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
It was tough.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Well you had a roof over yeah, yeah, food, that clothes,
that's love.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Yeah, so yeah, ain't no, ain't no love. She's been
through I asked her. I was like, man, what's up?
Why you don't never tell me a little? She just said, man,
I don't like that word. She's like, I've been through
a lot in my life, and you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Love love hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Do you remember the first time she told you she's
proud of you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
It was when I being grown.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
It's probably like two thousand, seventeen eighteen, damn bud, hey
no for real, like she my mom is not affectionate, Okay,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
So she's not about to be all I love you,
tugging you and and stuff like that. All right, you
do something, all right, I see you about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Did that motivate you? Because a lot of times people,
a lot of times we want that. We want the
person that validation from the person that we respect and
love the most. We just want to hear one, I'm
proud of you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Damn I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
You're doing good? Is that what you sought from your mom?

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Of course?

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Of course everything that I did, Like when I start
doing right in school and not getting kicked out, she
like by time, like, damn, like my sisters, they get
put on this pedal store right, you know what I mean?
She made the honor roll and it's all right, Mama
got a's and b's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
You're in the our tournament of school. I'm like, god, damn,
you know what I mean, you're supposed to I have
a good great rat souh Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
But for sure, man, like I used to, I used
to get into it my mom and be like, one day,
I'm gonna be chap in another.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
World Watch when you told her that, what did you say?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
You ain't gonna be ship, She'd be like, you're gonna
be just like your dad.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
So, but the one thing that I noticed, like when
I come home, you know, and I had that belt
on my on my shoulders, you know, should should have
that belt. And she'll be telling everybody, look with my son,
Looking with my son.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
She never told you, but she told everybody else through
an action of how proud she was of you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
But I wanted you wanted her to hear. You want
to tell me, yeah, don't don't, don't, don't fluster my belt.
You know what I mean, coming come and praise me,
you know. So uh, I just looked at it like,
you know, my mom loved me like wholeheartedly. She just
used that reverse psychiatrist to prove her wrong because she

(01:03:39):
knew that's what I needed to be successful.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I read that your mom used to pay the kids
in the neighborhood to beat you up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Try.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
They couldn't do it, to try because, like I said,
it was a neighborhood full of kids.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
So we'll all be outside.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
You know, I'm boxing and putting the gloves on, just
like any typical neighborhood. And my mom knew that I
was one of them tough kids, right, so she would, Hey,
if you can whoop them I give you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Five dollars, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Anybody get paid. Ain't nobody whoop me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
You know what I mean? Because she just knew her
son was tough.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Coming from a boxing family, she wanted to challenge, you know,
so she'll be like, hey, come here, I give you fight.
You can whoop them and that made them fight harder.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Yeah. So, uh where any where the kids bigger than you,
Where they older than you, or whether they about your
age both?

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
No, I had kids that was older than me, bigger
than me, you know what I mean, my age.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
It didn't matter were you a kid. You just throw
the gloves on it. You just go right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
So now all of a sudden, you make that decision. Okay,
you say, you know what, You've given up the other sports, football, basketball,
box is going to be your thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Do you remember your first your first fight? Do you
remember getting in the ring the first time, whether it's
golden gloves or whatever the case may be, the average fight,
do you remember getting into that ring the first time
and what was going through.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Your bad nothing? I was sold. I was so like
you that life. I had confidence.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
I won the first tournament that I came to, came
back to now was a ringside Nationals. I won that
whole tournament and I had just came back in two
thousand and two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Right wow, So now, okay, boxing is it what? Because
once you got that adrenaline high, you won the whole tournament.
It's old. Ain't no turning back now. But so now
you put shift all your focus in the boxing. You said,
this is what I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be a
prize fighter. I'm gonna be a professional fighter. Not yet,

(01:05:42):
not yet.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
I always said I was gonna be a world champion,
but my mind wasn't there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Okay, you know I lost in.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
The Civic Glove Nationals and I lost to Michael Dallas Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
And I remember.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Me trying to trying to fight him, yeah, and he
just out boxing me and I'm like, man, stop running,
stop running, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Like, I want to fight.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
And then he thought Rashie Warren the next day and
he lost, and Rashie Warren like everybody was around the
ring and they was just going blow for blow and
Rashi hitting them with all these hooks, and I'm like, man, damn,
that nigga would have fucked me up, like so so
right there, and there, I'm like, man, I gotta get better.

(01:06:30):
So seeing all the talent in the tournament, I'm like, man,
I gotta get better. So I go to the gym
and I just train and train and train, and Risindo,
you know, he had to just be Danny Garcia, you know,
Danny Garcia, Storm the storm, the ring, and every tournament.
Dan he'd be like, where your boy at? Where's your

(01:06:51):
boy at? You know when we got a little older.
But I was just like, I gotta get better. So
every day I'm competing with him, right, you know, because
Danny was a top amateur too, I'm competing with him.
He running and running, he doing push ups. I'm doing
push ups. He doing pull ups. I'm doing pull ups.
So I'm competing and I'm traveling the world and I'm like, man,

(01:07:12):
I can I can make something out of this because
I'm hanging in there with these top.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Kids from around the world.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Correct, boom, I get in a fight. I had to
insurge you on my hand.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Hold up now of the box to make a street
fight outside of the ring in school, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
So boom, And that just stopped me. And it was like, man,
you can't you can box and for some months. You
gotta wait to your hand here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
And I'm like, man, no, I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
So at that time I was already going south Park right,
but my lafe wasn't that strong. I was just doing
it because it just came natural to me. So I
was just like, work on your left for you not
a natural south Park? No, you talked yourself right, So
I was just like, this is this is your weakness,

(01:08:03):
you know strength, So I just started working on it
and then I've been focused every since.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
You had I want to know when did you realize
because sitting here talking to you and we talked in
the ring earlier, is that it seemed like you had
a temper and one thing you can't have if you're
a professional, fight of the temper, because you can't get
outside of yourself. How did you learn how to control that?
How do you learn how to focus? And says okay, yeah,

(01:08:31):
I'm upset, but let me channel this aggression. Let me
use it for what I know it can be beneficial
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Oh man, I don't know. Like my temper was so bad.
I used to have to see like psychiatrists and the
strengths and stuff like damn Bud used to I used
to flip out, man, I was it was. It was worse.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
It was I got kicked off the USA team. I
was having fights and overseas and stuff against other teammates
and getting into it with my teammates and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
It was just I don't know. I was just a
norm nonsense type of guy. I just didn't care like you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Know, I honestly think when I had my first son,
you know, that changed my life and I started looking
at life different because you know, you have live. Yeah,
there you go. I had something to live for, and
I stopped not not caring. I start caring a little
bit because I looked at my dad and my situation,

(01:09:41):
like I got to be there for him because my
dad wasn't there for me. So that's when I when
I sat down, told myself, man, you gotta control yourself.
My uncle is a pastor, so he just put it
in perspective of God got some big bay and better
for you. You know, you got a bright future. So

(01:10:03):
you got two ways you can go. You can go
the right way or you can go to the left right,
And he just gave me an option. I was just
like I was sitting there and I was just man.
I was just like man, fuck. And then I was
just like man, all right. I started going to church
a little more and then I started fighting, but I

(01:10:26):
wasn't fighting that much. So I was really getting down
on myself because I'm like, man, man, I'm not getting
no fights.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Like I gotta go back in the streets. I got
to hustle. I'm like, man, what I'm gonna do? You
know what I mean? I'm like man.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
I told both them. I said, Man, I'm about to
quit boxing. I was like, man, boxing ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I ain't putting food nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
And it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
God just started making things happen. I went to training
camp with Tim Bradley. Wow, you know, and that's the
start of everything. I sparred Tim Bradley and he like, man,
you ain't no sparring partner. I'm laughing and he was
like man, he looking at me like, no, real, can
you not a sport? You're a world champion. It's like
you a world champion. And I'm like, I was like, man,

(01:11:14):
I just want to fight, right. He like, so they
not giving me no fights? When the last time I said, man,
I don't even fall like two times and folk two years.
I'm like, I probably fought four times in four years
two years. Wow, and there was four rounders. So I'm
really not making no money fighting for pennies and stuff

(01:11:35):
like that. And I'm like, man, I can't be training
in boxing and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
You know, not making nobody. He gotta make sense.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Yeah, So it was just like I told boy, man,
I'm about to quit. So they called bowl. He sent
me down there, talked to Tim. Tim called our manager
up and he like, what y'all gonna do with him?
He was like, because I buy him out his contract
right now. He was like, y'all don't know what y'all said. No,
y'all sitting on this, this, this, this dude, and this

(01:12:03):
dude is cold.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
But so uh, Cameron.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Was like, don't nobody want to fight him? And he
can't get no fights and this and that and this
and so uh. I went down to California. I was
supposed to fight on a Golden Boys show. They was
gonna sign me. The guy comes to the way and say, man,

(01:12:29):
that's Terrence Carford. I know him. I know him from
the amateurs. He was ranked number one. I'm not fighting him.
They yo straight like that. I didn't made wait and everything.
I'm at one thirty five and I'm like, man, he like,
I'm not fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
He left. He left, so I'm stuck with no opponent.
They ain't give me no money.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
So the guy at one point forty, they had signedist guy,
so they had all this little money in them, and
his opponent didn't even show up. So he's undefeated. But
he fight at one forty. I'm undefeated. I fight at
one thirty five.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I go to gold Man. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
I'm like, hey, put us, let us fight. I fight it,
you know what I mean. I fight him and he's
like nah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
I'm like, whoever win, get the money, get to sign
you signed. Okay, he already signed with you. But if
I win, you signed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Me, and if he lose, you cut him. They're like, no,
we got too much money in him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
And I'm like, all right, cool, you know what I mean,
Send me home. I don't even want to watch the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Send me home.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
So they send me home. That's how I got with
Tall Raight. You know, tal Right gave me the opportunity,
and uh it's been up ever since.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Wow, you know we were talking in the ring earlier today. Well,
people don't tell some no more. You know, back in
the day, people just know, hey, you took a gass whipping,
You took ass whipping. Nah, I ain't nobody trying to
take no ass whip. They gonna let them things off
on you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
You know why why social media really? You know, back
in the days, if you wasn't there, you do you
get somebody who's lost. A person could be like man,
I whooped him. He was bleeding, he was bleed, but
he whooped your nigga w ahead. But now you know, uh,

(01:14:13):
social media then came to a point where it humiliates
a person forever.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, you know, they always can bring up that man.
Remember remember you got me forever.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Me, you know, And can't nobody just take a hell
no more, don't nobody want to take a hell?

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
They ain't even worried about even the thought of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Then't fight on the streets no more, like man, I'm
about to shoot you. You know you got kids that's
like eleven years old carrying guns talking about man in
my ops.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
I'm like, bro, you're supposed to be in school, yeah,
you know, and we'll make it so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
They're gonna knock you off, and they're gonna go to
this little juvenile detention center. They're gonna get out and
they're gonna be like, hey, man, I caught a body
when I was eleven, and they scott free because they
not programmed, they mind, their brain is not developed enough
to give them life, you know, and they only doing

(01:15:16):
what they see and they hear and what they.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Told to do.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
So they following behind these these young adults that's having
these parents. I mean, these kids at a young age
that don't talk to my kids like that, don't say
that to my kids, don't correct my kids because they're
not your kids. Yes, so they let their kids just
do whatever they want, you know, because they did whatever
they want. And then that's how the society bro Yeah,

(01:15:43):
because when I was growing up the community, because you know, hey,
it didn't have to be a relative. You acting up
somebody that was older than you could tell your tailoro
o while and then go home and tell your grandma,
your mom, and you get another beating. Now exactly what
you said, don't talk to my child, you not his
that it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
You don't want me to correct him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
There somebody they're a plate that they'll send him that
he will get corrected. There's no respect.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
When you look at today's world, the older people was
kind of scared of younger people because the younger people
is trying to make the name for themself.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
You know, it's not no all, let me respect my others. Yeah,
it's like, man, if you don't get your old that's
out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
That's exactly lay you down, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
And it wasn't like that back in the days. It's like, hey, man,
chill out, man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
All right, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
You mentioned that all the things that you went through
and that you talk to people about, the anger issues
and the trauma, what would be some of the vice.
But if you if somebody was going through something very
similar to what Bud Crawford grew grew up in an
environment and what he had to deal with, what was
some of the vice he would partake on these I.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
Just tell him, you know, always be positive, and you
need you need the right role models to look up to,
you know, and the people that's gonna come down and
grab you by the wing and you know, show you,
show you the ropes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
I think those people is very important because I had
my coaches, I had my uncles and things like that.
If I didn't have certain individuals in my life, I
don't know how my life would have turned out. So
I'll just tell them, you know, stay positive and pick
and choose who you hang out with and who you

(01:17:34):
allow your kids to be around.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
You know, is it true that you didn't want to
you didn't want to fight in the Olympics? Never?

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Why? Because that never was my dream?

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
You know, I always wanted to be a world champion, right,
you know, I never want to be an Olympic gold medalist.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
You know, I want to be a lot of people
is the other way around? A lot of people like
I want to be a gold medalist, And then they
parlay that. You look at Sugar Ray, look at our lead,
you look at Phrase, you look at Forman, and you
look at a lot of you know, Mark Breenland, the
eighty fourteen, I don't know how closer you follow. That
was the greatest boxing team ever, Symble, Mildred Taylor and
Sweetpeet Whitaker and all those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
So that's odd that you said that. I'm a leader,
not a follower.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
So I never wanted to be like nobody else, Right,
I wanted to be a world champion, Right, I wanted
to go make money. When I look at you know,
the Olympics, you get what a couple one hundred thousand
that where you look at I always envisioned, but I
was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
If you're on TV, you're making all this money and
all this and uh, it ain't true. It wasn't true,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
But when I got to a certain level, then I
started making the top of money that I dream be making.
But I always start being on TV. Got your paid, yeah, yeah,
it got your paid. But it wasn't true. Because when
I was coming up, I was mad because I see

(01:19:02):
all the people that graduated from the amateurs into the
pro range or what's all on TV? Danny Garcia, Danny Jacobs,
you know what I mean, all these all these fighters,
you know, getting Ny Shan and I'm like, man, these

(01:19:22):
people can't even even people that wasn't even close to
on my level.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
I'm like, man, this dude, how you get on TV?
And this dude close?

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
Look at this dude, like I will be so like
frustrated that my career wasn't going away. Yeah, And I
always put in the work, you know, it don't matter
what anybody can tell you. I'll be in the streets
with the homies, and I'd be like, all right, y'all
gotta go. I'm riding my bike to the gym, or

(01:19:51):
I'm getting a ride to the gym. I always made
it to the gym, no matter what. I don't care
what we was doing, you know, I always made it
to the gym. That's why I always said I always
put it in the work. But I didn't see the
results until God said it is time for you to
see the results, you know. So it was tough, Like

(01:20:12):
I never want to be an Olympic gold medals. I
want to be a world channel to make money.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Money.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Explain this to me. You undefeated as a pro, you
had twelve losses, and the amateurs, how they have that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Man, amateurs is amateurs. Anything can happen. You know, I
lost my first two fights, you know, when I was
a little kid.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Then you know, losing in national tournaments and things like that.
It happens, losing, not being in shape, losing fights that
you know what I mean? Because you from Omaha, Nebraska
and this guy from a bigger city by one point,
lose one point here at one point there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
You know, it's politics.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Politics plays a big factor and by amateur boxing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Why didn't you become fuss straighted and give up?

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
I wanted to, you know, but my coaches, like I said,
they kept me motivated, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Bo always to tell me, hey, bro, man, just just
keep crying.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
It's gonna get greater later, you know, don't don't, don't
give up, you know, and me having a faith and
a belief in them, you know, and trusting the process.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
I just kept going.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
You wanted to fight, made it Package. I think you
were like twenty seven, twenty eight when you wanted to
fight Packed. Why why didn't that fight happen?

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
How know?

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
I heard so many excuses, like they didn't want it,
but Freddy Roach on the record saying he didn't want
to Pack y'all to fight for one And I just
think Todd Rank wanted to protect Pack y'all because of
the money issue.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
You know, that was their cash cow.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
And you know, okay, but hell you could have been
their cash cow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Listen. They don't think like that, you know, so they didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
They didn't want to mess up the money that that
was getting Packed y'all at the time. So other other reasons,
I don't know what way were you gonna fight at forty,
So I fought Derry Jean, and they said, you know
that was the marketing to Crufford beat Derry Jean. He's gonna,

(01:22:21):
you know, potentially fight many pack y'all. Derry Jean was
when I pack y'all sparting partners, I stopped Jerry Gene.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
That's like I want to fight, so I had to
move on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Do you believe you would have been had you fought pack
y'all done what you've done, done what you thought, think
or know you could have done. Do you think that
would have sped up the process of Bud Crawford being
in the position that he's in currently.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Of course, of course, like I said before, you know,
I didn't have the many pack y'all, Miguel Cotto, Sugar
Shane mostly and those guys that was marquee names in
a sport of boxer to pass the torch. Nobody passed
the torch to Terrence Crawford.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
He took right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
When you look at when you when you look at
my career, I paid my own way. I didn't piggyback
off of any fighter. You know, I fought my way
up to the top. When you look at you know,
any any fighter, from Floyd Mayweather to any of them.
When Floyd fought Dela Hooya, you know, that was a

(01:23:34):
whole big thing. He wanted to fight Dela Hooya, but
top rank didn't want to give him Dela Hooya really initially.
But when they met up, you know, Floyd was the
B side, and you know, he beat Dela Hooya and
then he started rising to the top.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
is also posted and you can access it to whichever
podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
simply go back the club profile and I'll see you there.

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