Nightcap - Hour 1: Luka goes NUTS in return to Dallas, Denver fires their GM & coach, & Pat Bev discusses Ja Morant ! - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (03:01):
They win one twelve to ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Luca was very emotional, but guess what he was able
to control those emotions forty eight points eight rebound six
as says four Steals.

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If I'm not mistaken in the status, Illinois average thirty
three points a game. But that's what he says. I mean,
I ain't seen no I ain't seen no no tape.
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Pat Bail, Pat Bail, what to do?

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Thanks for having me, mister hood to see you brother.
Thank you guys, you watched the game. Listen, go ahead,
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Joe. I'm gonna say I appreciate you joined it.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Listen.

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I've always been a fan, you know, for for for
many years.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Man, I hadn't had a chance to.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
Actually get a chance to sit out and talk to you.
We supposed were supposed to meet up and talk. Not
too long ahead, Uh, one of the one of the games,
but we were interrupted.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I'm glad they have you on the show.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
You was you was at a game somebody on the
other teamty the Philly game, Philly game, right right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we were supposed to chop up.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Then. I appreciate y'all, man, thanks for having me. Thank you. Yeah,
fan of the show.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
I mean, it's it's it's first off, it's you know,
it's inspirational, you know, before we even start the show.
Just all the ass that you read off that you
were part of to be able to do it.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Now for real, because if you know, you know, but
do it with football, oh to uh you know, translate
that to meet without demising yourself with with with what
you continue being you.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
That's a that's a that's that's a bigger, biggest, big
accomplish man. So that's impressive, pab.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
If I think our listeners and our viewers, they know
when we first started this, oh Joe and I didn't
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And I think people that still starting trying to get
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Speaker 1 (08:29):
But uh, it couldn't be well.

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Lakers win One Night one, twelfth to ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
You've been in the NBA a very.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Long time and you've seen a lot of tributes when
guys returned. I don't know if I've ever seen a
tribute where the guy was as emotional as Luka Doncics was.
He was literally crying on the sideline, which lets me
know he was probably more invested in Dallas than Dallas
was invested in him, because they chose to move on

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to a guy that's giving you twenty eight eight and
eight over career and averaging thirty two in the playoffs.
But were you surprised at how emotional he was and
how he was able to channel those emotions and go
out and do what he did.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
So you, as an athlete, like you know how it
is when you first get drafted to a team and
you've had you've had failure and you've had success there,
like you were able to get something, you were able to.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Build something, right, especially US's athletes, whatever the role may be.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yep, him getting emotional may be surprising to a lot
of people. But when you're forced to leave and you're
not ready to leave, yes, a lot of fans don't
know how that fits. Right to getting so close, right
to getting so close to man, y'all almost won a championship.

(10:21):
We're one piece of way, two pieces away from a championship.
To get that close and to turn around and be blindsided, right,
you know, Like like I think it's the the with
the the communication part, right, I think that was the
most Like, Man, I did everything you guys wanted to do.
You guys couldn't tell me you feel me? So mixed

(10:41):
with all that, I mean, the emotional is bound to
come out. But he listen, he was emotional before the game,
he was emotional in the game, felt felt.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oo talk a lot. It's kind of like a relationship.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
The relationship is most is most hurtful to the person
that doesn't want to leave the relationship. See, if you're
ready to get our relationship, ain't no skin off your back.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
You're ready to bounce.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
But when you're not ready to let said individual, the
man or the woman is hard and you like, what
can I do one of the situation like this because Luca,
they didn't they as you mentioned, they blindsided him. It
wasn't nothing Luca can do because the trade had already
gone through. So now you know, a lot of times
in the relationship with pay, I'll do this, I'll be better,

(11:27):
i won't go out as much with the boys.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'll do this, I'll do that.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
So it hurts the individual that doesn't want to leave
the relationship. But to see him that emotional pat Bell,
it tells me he did not want to leave, even
though he was going to the Lakers, which is one
of the probably the most story franchises at Boston in
the Knicks be most story franchises in the NBA. Even
though he was going there, He's like, Bro, this is

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my home. I think he had just built just a
closed on a fifteen million dollar pad or something out
there in Dallas. He didn't want to leave, and all
of a sudden, y'all come up with all these reasons.
I don't care what it was, bro, do y'all see
the numbers. I just took you to the NBA finals
two years ago, weave in the Western Conference finals. If
this is what you think of me, it's only a

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couple of people. I don't I don't think people understand this.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
And miss o chosinko. It's only a couple of people
that averaged thirty two points in the playoffs. Yeah, him
and Jordan's and one of them didn't have no and
one of them didn't have no hair on the seat.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's only a couple of holes.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Yeah, And so you know, you know, you know that,
like you gotta listen.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know what that tells me? Pat, And I've said
it before.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
If if this was a crime, if this trade and
Anthony Davis leaving the Lakers and going to Dallas.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
And Luca coming to the Luca coming to the.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
Lakers, if this was a crime, whoever's responsible for we
getting life in jail.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's how That's how bad this trade was. That's how
that's how bad it was.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
It's ridiculous for Luca to go out there tonight to
have that tribute, to have him.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Cried and be emotional.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Then they have thirty one of the half and finished
the game with what forty eight he finished forty five. Oh,
the finish with forty forty five eighty six with four steals.
That that's ridiculous. And then every time he touched the ball.
You you playing in Dallas and everybody, yeah, then you
got then you got the chance going on, and then

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you got the chance about you know, insulting. I know,
come on, it's ridiculous. It's it's ridiculous, man, and it's criminal.
The fact that this even went through the play of
that caliber just based on some personal things that they
didn't see fit and giving him the type of money

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he was going to get in a year or two. See,
I like, I like this. I like to look at
it like this. Right, we've all seen.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
The stories of of when a player leaves and you
see fans burning jersey, right, oh, yeah, you see, you see,
you see fans. Uh, you gotta put security outside to
be an athlete, and to see the opposite of that,
to see the fans gathered together around the athlete, right
and kind of and kind of going the top management

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you feel me. I wouldn't say it's fair. I just
say it's refreshing. This is what's being reported.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
According to Tim McMahon of ESPN team sources have said
trading Lucal will likely cost the team nine figures hundreds
of millions of dollars over the next few years. This season,
the Mavericks are expected to lose millions due to the
dwindling crowds, plummeting merchandise sales, and sponsors severing ties with

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the franchise. In the wake of the trade, numerous fans
have canceled their season tickets, and the Mavericks appere no
closer to making amends with the fan base than they
have that they have deeply hurt this season.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Well, it's impossible repairbody.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
You can't get, You can't get anybody because you gotta
think about it.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
This is the biggest trade because we've never.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Seen a guy this year, this talented, that didn't ask
to be traded to get traded. Kareem asked to get traded,
Shaq left. There have been other guys.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Lebron moved, KD moved, But.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
To trade a guy at twenty six averaging twenty eight,
eight and eight averaging thirty two in the playoffs and
you move it. We've never seen anything like this and
we might not ever see it again because normally these
guys like Luca and Lebron and Steff and the greats,
Magic and Bird and Kareem and Jordan, they don't come

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along but once every fifteen twenty years.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
You got him. You got him. The thing that makes
us all incredible of Pat Maam.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Is that you got it, went the contract and he
doesn't want to go anywhere.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
Yeah, hey, hey, Pat, you might know better than me.
Your eyes and your ears are still to the NBA.
And do you know if what Luca was doing away
from the court, away from the game of basketball, because
the issue definitely had nothing to do with him what
he was doing on the court, was what he was
doing off the court really that bad to justify them

(16:25):
moving him. A player of this magnitude that you just said,
average thirty two in the playoffs and there's only one,
a few, a few people that.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Have been able to do that, was what he was doing.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Was it that bad to really say, you know what,
we're gonna move on from him and send him to
the Lakers and not tell anybody and just deal with
the ramifications on the back end.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
So you have to understand. So I put, I spent
some time in Europe, and I was able to deal
with some.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Really really really really really good Europeans, right, and.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
I dealt with a guy named Melo's Ted Dosage, Melo's
Taed dosit. He had to have a couple of cigarettes
in his mouth after the game. But that's just how
he relaxed, right, right, that was his that was his
euro step, right. Everybody got something, right, everybody got something,
So that was his something. I don't know if it
was similar to any of that. Obviously, we've seen the video.

(17:18):
He drinking a cold one at the big win with
his pops. Somebody comes over, Mike Finley comes over, take
brut his hand. You know, we hear things about overweight,
we hear things about okay, he keeps getting hurt because
right right, we hear those things, but you really don't
see him, right, you don't see them.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's just you hear them.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
So like, if that, if you can do all of
that and that doesn't affect your play and you're.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Still showing up.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Now, people forget not only does he show up, he
shows up at the biggest lights there is every single time,
every single time, like tonight. Yeah, and it's only y'all know, right,
y'all been to Pro Bowl y'all been in the spotlight, y'all,
y'all know how it is to mother buck get that catch,
You see that light.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
On you, You run until you can't sit, run no more.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Right he's doing he's doing all that right in front
of my eyes. Twenty six years old. Generational talent. Yes,
you let you let go. I don't think you know
what me personally, I think we use the term generational.
But he's a transcendent talent. Transcendent Micha Jordan, Kareem Lebron.

(18:30):
The guys that we're gonna be talking about for two generations,
so our kids kids gonna be talking about this, Like,
hold on, wait a minute. I mean the guy had
a sixty twenty point, a sixty point twenty rebound, a
ten assist game.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
He did vibe how I mean, how many like he got?
Like what forty forty point games? Now, it's crazy how
great he is. I'll talk telling o Jo Pat Bell.
When I first got the lead, guys used to smoke.
All the times I saw Greg town with the Raiders
at halltime, he outside sitting on this help and smoking

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a cigarette.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
I look, it's really happening.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
God, I mean, there are guys on our team that
would Hey, we get a break, they go to the
truck and smoke a cigarette, or right, hey, they gonna
fire it up. It didn't bother me because days at
the front of the line were doing wind springs day
and first. So hell, I'm thinking I need to start
smoking so I can keep up with dads.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
Yea, So hey, I tell you, listen, I tell you
what based on the lady's performance tonight, somewhat of a
pressures situation. I wouldn't really call it a playoff atmosphere,
but I can tell you this.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I can tell you this pack.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
We got Beverly Hills, we got Beverly Center, we got
Pat Beverly.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Jason Kidd Hilling the kid. Y'all saw what Luca did? Hey,
and and see y'all. I gotta understand I've played against him,
right yeah, I got trophy. I got trophies at home
the first team, two second hands. I don't just got
one trophies. I got a couple of them. I guarded

(20:17):
him in the playoffs. Oh when you even the Clippers,
listen when I tell you and I've got I guarded
all of them. You know, I done guarded from Steph
Curry's to Kyrie's to Lebron James to me trying to
trying to guard yours.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I didn't try to guard everybody he could. He was different.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
Wow, it's his it's his skill mixed with his ability
uh uh to put the ball in a basket at
a high rate, mixed with elite I Q.

Speaker 7 (20:46):
If this work, I'm gonna keep doing it. It don't
work right, and you can't.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
See them, Pat, y'all about to drive one front of you,
pass bro.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'm a postion all day long.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I saw you guys when he was with the Clippers
early in his career.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Y'all had elite defenders.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
You PG Kawhi and he's still dropping thirty and four.
I'm like, hold on, wait a minute. I mean, Kawhi
is a two time Deficive Player of the Year. He's
an All NBA defender, Pat PG All NBA defender.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Pat bab told.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
You his accolade and he he got three here Like, hey, okay, Pat,
I send me PG PG. You better go get Kawhi.
It was it was nothing we could do. It was
absolutely nothing we can do. It got to a point
halfway through the series something me saying that you know what,
scratch just let them store fifty. We just gonna see

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if anybody else.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
To do everybody else?

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Huh oh yeah, it was trouble now he like you say,
he's a different talent. He's a different talent. And and
JJ Reddick, I don't think he gets enough credit. I
don't think JJ Reddy gets enough credit. The Lakers facing
throughout the entire system has to be probably some of.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
The best space and we've done standing. Uh good.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
See they have three really good ball handles and creators.
And I'm adding Austin Reeves to that. They didn't say
what that.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, I'm adding Austin Reeves to that. Boy can hop.
Yeah they look at it. Covey White, Pat Bail but
think you can he cook it for that?

Speaker 5 (22:25):
And I know y'all know it was one defender that
probably guarded y'all or one ride receiver that y'all seen
the practice.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
That was like, hey, man, hold on, he he different? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And you know, you know it's funny.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
You know, it's funny when when watching Lucit as well,
when you're thinking about all the superstars and you watched
the Kobe and Michael Jordan's there's something flashy about their game.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
There's something flashy about their game and you can see it.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
You know whether it be the skill set, but when
I watched Luca, it almost seems as if he's moving
the slow motion when you look at it from TV,
it's like, well, that looks so easy.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
That move was so easy.

Speaker 6 (22:59):
It's not flashy, but every goddamn thing he does is
effective and it goes in has a damn tick.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I think the thing is what you talk about when
you talk about those guys, Pat Bev, and correct me
if I'm wrong. When you talk about the elite. The
one thing they had was supreme athleticism. We see Luca,
now we see Jokic, and you're like, I know, right now,
with two repaired hips and a bad knee, I cannot
jump Luca and Yokic. I bet you my bird birt
hiding both of those. But I tell you what, you

(23:27):
not gonna speed them up. They're gonna go at their pace,
and as Pat Bev said, they know how to put
the ball in the basket at a supreme level, level
a level.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Over and over and over again.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
And because they can pass wherever you bring the double
team from, they know where that man that's that left
to come double him. They know where he is on
the court, so now they can snap past it. That
you see, Lu can do this all the time. He
go and he passes behind his head because he knows
there's a guy over there, or he'll clear cross. And
when you got him, you got Lebron high IQ and

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you got Auster Reeves that Pat Bell said that can
handle the ball and can pass out of.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Auster Reeves.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Not get the third defender, your third best defender, gotta
guard aust Reeves.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Cut your two best defenders.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
They better one better take Luca and the other take Lebron,
and you hope and pray they have an off night,
because if they don't, you got nothing.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing. The defending off the bench from
the wing position.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Is really good. Their ability to get to.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Generate great shots, not not not not. I'm aa dribble
fifteen times and i'm an shoot a step back right.
You might see that from Luca from time to time.
But theiry to get the mm hmm pain by posting bye,

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by playing without dribbling is prodsome.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
So Pat yo, yo, your WiFi glitchen, I want to
read this the MAVs tried to line up sponsorship deals
with a few of Luca brand partners for Tonight's game,
but Lucas Camp rejected the ideal team. Sources told ESPN

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that the MAVs had also lined up for lucative sponsorship
deals for Wednesday's game with multiple companies that do endorses,
but those deals fell apart after donchic Camp declined to
give his blessing, pointing noted that he now plays for
the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I mean you got.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
You got some you got some eight figure deal at
Luke said, Nah, I'm good. Hey, hey, Pat bab, I
don't give d how bad I am? You mean to
tell me you got eighty figures for you?

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Boy? Let me get at.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
That I'm getting. I'm getting all ten deal, all deals
that start with ten and go up with I got that,
have that, go that, Gotta have that, Definitely gotta have that.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
But these are the type of deals that can set
you back for a long period of time.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Now I think they're gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
You gotta think about it now without Kyrie, Now you
get Kyrie back, who the supreme scorer, who will be
the unbelievable with a d in the pick and roll.
I think they're gonna be okay. I think they're gonna
be okay, Pat, I really do.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
But yeah, Luca Mayor, I just I just from up
from from from a standpoint of from a standpoint of like, uh, okay,
we see the trade, we hear the fire Nico, but
we in his defense, right, because everybody had a day, right,
every everybody had a day in his defense?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
How does this look five years from now? Right? How
does this look five years from now? Like we've seen,
how I.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Look before Kyrie got hurt, Before Kyrie got they didn't
lose a gag, Yeah right, I mean so, so it
was just bad time and it was it was a
lot of bad luck and a lot of bad timing
with that, you know, the trade happens and damn near
the whole team go down, you know. So, but we
got to everybody got their day. Let's let's see, let's
see two to three.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
The question is are they gonna give Nico, because look,
people keep blaming Nico, Pat bay of you know, this
a deal of this magnitude, you going all the way
to the top. This is what we got now next year,
this year or next year, we're gonna have to give
this man a super max contract, which is five years,
three hundred and forty five million dollars.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
You give it to them expeditiously. I agree, a D
it's gonna want.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
It's gonna want a three year deal at a super
max number at one hundred and ninety three, maybe two
hundred million.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
You win. One second.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
You wait, we got we gotta take care of something
over here first, because at a time a D was
taken care of first and somebody else had to correct, right, right,
So that's the.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Pecking order, and Kyrie coming up to Okay, well at
uh after Luca, God, we gonna get to you a D.
We're gonna get to you after that. Wow. We talked
about pecking order. Though.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
This is if if all of us is GMS, I
believe that that Luca right.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Yeah here, hold on, uh, if all of us have GM's,
Luca will still be in Dallas.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
I'm talking about We'll we'll be we'll be trying to
decide what new blue we go well on our jerseys.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Look here, if I got Luca, he could come in
with a cake. I'll put it as in the game.
Hey have a batter. Fact he wanted to spoke when
you can't smoke in the building. But I was saying, hey,
I'll have a delignated area. Hey, Lukah, go get you
a couple of pulls. Hey, get a man of bathing
ping or something.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hey, Ben, and be waiting for every game? What being
you wan? Ye man? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (29:14):
But so but we still got time to see. We
gotta see how he Nico. You know he pulled this off.
He might pull something else off the sleeve. So you
gotta get everybody got their dad, so he gonna have
his day.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, Pat, As I mentioned earlier, if the Lakers win
one more of their final three games, they get the
number three seed. Yeh scenario? What would be the worst
first round matchup for the Lakers? Would it be the Clippers?
Would it be the Warriors, would it be the Nuggets?
Would it be the Griz Laes or Minnesota? Who do
you think the worst case scenario matchup for them would be?

(29:46):
So it was different from a long like from a
long time, it was different.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
I felt like the older Lebron got the younger the
league gut and everybody just kept picking on the Lakers,
picking on the Lakers, picking on the Lakers, right taking advantage, right,
taking advantage of that Lakers. I'm I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Huh. This might be one.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Of the cause you know, you get that that that
that team in the playoffs. It ain't about schemes, ain't
about plays. It's all about size.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
It's all about match upsy right, half course said, it's
all about size and mash ups.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Who can generate the most points half court?

Speaker 5 (30:21):
What the Lakers can do with the with those with
that team, with that coach, with those three ball handlers.
I think they are mismatched for everybody in the West,
no one. No one in the West can guard Luca,
no nobody. We've seen it like we've seen it. We've
seen it in Phoenix when they got them out of there.

(30:42):
We've seen it like we Okay, come on, Minnesota, Rudy
Gobert player of the Year. All y'all young too, all
come let me holler at you. We've seen it, ok
last year. We've seen it like it ain't like it's
a surprise, like we actually watched it. Don't see you
like them and Luca and gave thirty again like we've
seened it. So like I think the Lakers might be that.

(31:05):
I think the Lakers are that team. I think they're bad.
No one wants to see the Lakers.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on
that pat now listen, I've heard I've heard many discrepanti's
when it comes to the Lakers about their their their
they're not having a big Do you not see or
worry about them not having it big when.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
They face certain teams, especially the teams.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
That uncnain and only being able to go small, and
when they do have to go big, Lebron sometimes having
to go down to the five, Jackson Heed not playing
as many minutes at the five, and sometime being in
foul trouble.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
So my thing is this Lebron is naturally at the
age he is and how his body is made up,
He's naturally a four five is type anyway right now,
right because the league has changed, and right not because
of skills set, because the league has changed. Right, he
can be the backup four. He can be the backup
five on any any really good team.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Right.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
My thing is, it's it's ways to defend the rem
without having a shot.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Lock. If you if you got if you tighten it,
if you tighten.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Those gaps up and you make these teams shoot threes,
ball don't get in the paint. If you got these
defenders like Ry and Ruley was great tonight, you go
by the way, he was phenomenal. You talk about Finny
Smith Jr. You talk about Vanderbilt, Right, you talk about
these wings. They all look the same size, they all
dive on the floor. They all got a little little
muscle and a little gristle to him. Right, you talk

(32:23):
about these guys, you don't need You don't need rem protection.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
If they can't get to the painted you don't need
ram protection. And the thing is that you're gonna get
great in the half court.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
You're gonna get great shots because eventually, and you saw
this tonight, you saw this against o Case, you see
this a lot.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
They gonna blitz Luca. They gotta get they gonna make
him give it up.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
If you don't, he's gonna put if you there, it's
not a defender that can deal with Luca one on one.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
You gotta make him give it up.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
And you'll find out early on how soon you're gonna
have to make him give it up because he's gonna
test it, because he gonna he gonna shoot this. A
couple of step back early to see if he can
feel it.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Now when you defend that, now he gonna get by you,
he gonna stop, you gonna rear end it, and he's
gonna be a one.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
So soon you'll start blistening. Make it him give it up.
But he's giving the ball up to Lebron James. He's
given the ball up to Austin Reeves. Let us think
it for the first time. Lebron James is gonna go
into a playoff series and he's the second best player
on his team and took it twenty two.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Years for it.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
That happened pat Ball. But now he's the second best
player on the team.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
And that's not that's not because Lebron is a lack
of talent anything, right, right, That's not because of that.
That's just because they have some other really good playmaking.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Right.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
And people don't understand when it comes to basketball, like
spacing and especially in the playoffs, spacing and rebounding are
the probably the two most incredible things that you have
to do. Rebounding, like I break it down the football turns.
You get hand on that ball, that ball get loose.
You can't drop ball, you can't fumble ball. Not this game, right,
Not this game.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
You could get it, get away with it, don'ty how
you do get away, but this game you can't do it.
Rebounding is exactly the same way.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
So if you doubles him and Luca, right, you got
two guys on him, he passes out to a guy
who misses a three, now you're rebounding the shot.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Ye, right, that's that's stuff.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
That's the the gear you get from from from trapping. Okay,
you guys might trap, we might might have to shoot
a shot that a guy can't shoot, but we go
get a good rebound now because you'll space stuff, right,
those who know basketball, that's what that's what the Warriors do.
See people think because the Warriors are small, they can't
rebound it. What if you just playing conventional basketball, you
would be absolutely correct. But because they shoot the three,

(34:36):
and now you're scrambling because they swing the ball and
you try to run somebody off, you're out of position.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
The ball goes up. Now you're scrambling. Not Moody Pod.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Draymond Moody, all those guys getting rebounds, and you're like,
what damn, this little lass team rebounded us by teen.
You look up, You're like, damn, we got out rebounded
by this small lass team, and because, like you said,
they got three guys that could pass.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
And the thing is, if.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
The Lakers look normally, when the bench gives them like
twenty points, the Lakers are hell to beat because you
know you're gonna get at least somewhere between seventy five
and maybe ninety from the Big Three. You're gonna get that.
If you get twenty. Agreed, they're gonna be hard to beat.
They're gonna be hard to be And really, if you

(35:26):
go back and look at the West, the only big
the only one team that haves a big that can.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Punish the Lakers, and that's Yoke. That's it. I'm not
worried about.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Look, I'm not worried about Hardenstein, I'm not worried about Chad,
I'm not worried about I'm not worried about anybody big
in the West other than Yo.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
The question is the problem is with Denver.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Is that seemed like when Jamal Murray get to the playoffs,
he's like, oh, I'm supposed to be Maggie Johnson. I
was supposed to be one of these whole time historic
great guards and he goes crazy, especially.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Against the Lakers.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Yeah, yeah, but I think I think this year though,
I ain't go lie to you. I think this year.
Y'all know we all athletes, right, we all, we all
done it. I don't care how good your team is.
If there's any type of dark cloud, any type of
negative energy, right right, you lose a coach. It's it
takes a lot of more energy to be focused on. Okay,

(36:21):
let's win a championship, right right right. A famous coach,
Doc Rivers told me, he say, Pat, I do basic
stuff because I don't want my players to understand. The
better they understand, the better they cannot be players and
just be athletes.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Right, So you got this guy firing. You heard the
new voice.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Now, you guys know what the new voice don't sound like. Yeah,
they don't sound like coach. I can't run up to
him and he coach, check it out. I see it
opening right here, like it's it's just different. So that
takes time, right, So I wouldn't be surprised if them
was out of their first round.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
I ain't go lie to you first round. I ain't
gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
I mean with that going around, I mean That's just
how the basket, That's how the sports gods are right.
You know, you disrespect the game. You fire coach like
that in the playoffs. This ain't a Center Ralli story.
These ain't just gonna goa beat Everybody like they're gonna
be put the tests. They're gonna be put the tests
you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Head coach Mike Malone and the general manager, Calvin Booth,
was terminated. ESPN reported that the tension had been brewing
between Booth and Malone for quite some time, so so
much source that the source described it as a cold war.
Denver had lost four straight and was just eleven and thirteen.
Since the All Star Break, players such as Yoke have
displayed frustration on the sideline. Vibes have been low, according

(37:38):
to a source. There's another report that said Westbrook's minutes
were a part of the riff. IF reported that Booth
was questioned, bro why are you playing Westbrook when you
should be played?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I forget the younger guy's name and think it.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
What's the name Pat? Our last name is Pickett? Yep, yep, yep,
that's it. And so you look, oki yo, he's given
you forty five, thirteen and ten and they lost all three.
He gave you a sixty point triple double, a forty
point triple double, and he was an assistant short of
a triple double on the thirty eight point game. So

(38:15):
he gave you forty five, thirteen and ten over three games, man,
and they lost all three games.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
So my thing is this, it goes back to what
we were talking about Dallas.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right. I don't think this is a problem that was
just been brewing this year.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
I think the problem was lost after they won the
championship and they didn't pay Bruce Brown.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Right, Yeah, you lose, you lose your y.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Wing guy ro I wouldn't say he was a hard
and soul, but you lose a little bit.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yep. If things get hard, you need a little bit
more grid.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Okay, cool. They was able to sustain that, right. Then
the following year they came up short. They lost to Minnesota,
and actually the year before Bruce Brown had a stellar
US He got paid off.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
That Minnesota series.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Then coming in free agency, you lose cardwell, Pope, right,
you talked about now.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
You're the lost and as a team, you need the
locker room. The locker room is the most important, right.
The culture is the most important, and.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
The ability to win games and the real games is
not based on the star players.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
It's based off the culture. So good, right, So you
lose these two guys, right, you.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Try to fill a void with Chris Bron, You try
to fill a void with Watson, and you try with
these young guys. Pick it right, and then you want
to go get Russ Right, you're surprised it doesn't work now,
and now you have to point blame at somebody you're
talking about They beat us three to one.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
In the bubble. Yep, we were supposed to play that.
You know that team we have? Ye?

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Yeah, they beat us three one. So I'm able to
see this this team up close and personal. I'm able
to see this coach up closer personal, right.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Elite coach. I honestly think he overachieved in Denver.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Over gie and to be able to come down and
implement your system. Right, have a two time MVP that's selfless.
Usually the MVPs like, no, give me the rock, I'm
shooting a fade away.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
How I'm doing this? I'm talking of a selfless MVP.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Right, And you don't make the moves you're supposed to
making free agency, and you wanted to write, your team
is not the same team.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
It baffles me.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
It actually baffles me. Pat, I was wondering, did you
hear what James Harden said? The reason why they're having
success he says with person He said personnel. He's he
said personnel. There's the only two guys that's not there.
And I don't know what he would try. What was
he trying to say? Because he is the only thing

(40:41):
is personnel. I don't need to say anything else.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
Yes, this thing was like everyone knows their roles right
and as a and as a player.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Who's you know I didn't have a couple of tea.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
I spent twelve thirteen years in the NBA, right, right,
So like knowing your role and for me to be,
you know, the ultimate role player, right, knowing your role
helps everybody else out around.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Right. Not only do you know your role now you
can thrive in your role? Right? Okay? Cool? I know
I know my role on.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
This team is things rebound and then if I get it,
you know, I get it in the corner, I'm gonna
shoot it.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
That's my role.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
I'm gonna stay in my role now, I'm gonna thrive
in my role, right, he had guys over there, obviously, the.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Paul George, we can name the Paul George, the Russell Westbrook,
the PJ. Tucker. Remember p J Tucker was Bones Island.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Also, yeah, remember they went through that whole debacle with Tyloo.
They were are you in there? They were so and
forget those guys also all that mix. The third again
talked about it's hard to win games like that. Man,
you got so much, you got so much bad going around.

(41:52):
You can't basketball how because you got James Hard.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Look, it seems to be like James Hard is gonna
be James Harden.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
The whis back, Healthy, whis back, healthy, Box is playing unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I still magic, my guy. I love magic.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Magic was out of his mind for trading Mike Muscalar for
bos Can you imagine Box with Lebron and Luca or
with a D and Broad because now now Luca now
a D could have slid to the four like he
wanted to play, leave Zub at the five. Can you

(42:34):
imagine what that would I don't eve want let's let's
let's not talk about things that what could have been?

Speaker 5 (42:39):
I was there when we traded for Big Zoo. I
was there and man, you getting this big center there?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I man, where are you from?

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Man? Tell me he from Man? He from overseas? Pat man,
I bring a man big zoo. Man.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
How the how to box haircut? Yeah? I got him
right on.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Hey man, put some swag on you manam yeah, unbutting
your shirt? Get test South Zoo right top top four
center in the NBA right now. He played like it.
I mean he's had a thirty twenty game or twenty
twenty game. Zoo is playing up and guess what he
can get his points. And you don't run out one
play for it, not one. They'll say, hey, zud go

(43:15):
down there, what hand you want when you want to left?
Get on the right block. I'm gonna throw it here,
go down to the left. I'm gonna throw it down.
All he does, hey James Harden, layoff? Oh he get
it off the rim, put it back. I'm not running
anything for him. So now I get James Harden. Do
what you do, Kawhi, do what you do, like you said,
know your role. Oh your new every game, I'm number

(43:37):
one receiver. I'm gonna get my catchers. I'm gonna get
my ten targets.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Now, oh you ain't got a thinkin I ain't Oh
hold on, I ain't got but one target. Okay, the
next three quarters, I'm gonna get at least three a quarter,
maybe four. So when you know your role, like you said, Pat,
when you know your role, yeah, you can thrive and
the simple you keep it. You don't have to think.
I can just let my athletic ability take over. I

(44:04):
take my atholitic ability over anybody that's player I'm playing against.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
And that's what anything right, that's what life right. And
the minutes you start to merge to the left lane,
you know that ain't your lanes stuff? Styles used to
start to hit that little gravel. No, I'm standing young man.
You try to merge in the right lane, you hit
that horn? No man, somebody behind you real quick, you.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Stand your lane. Good things happened, good things, Hien.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Ray jon Rondo recently said he holds no hard feelings
towards Ray Allen and wasn't responsible for not inviting right
to the Celtics reunions. Pat oh Yo, will kg and
truth Paul Piers? Will they ever bear the hatchet with?

(44:57):
Where is this thing? Or ever go away?

Speaker 5 (44:59):
You won a championship? What's going on Pat, No, I
don't think so, right. I don't know personally what we
went down in that locker room when that happened, right,
So you know, and it's just speaking off just being
a basketball player. I think it's deeper than than what
people saying. I think it's a little bit more to it.

(45:20):
It has to be, damn, it has to be. It
has to be not you know, to hold a grudge
that long at that age. You can be young grudge,
but to be you're talking about in your forties. Now
you feel me like, yeah, you feel me. It has
to be something. And you won a championship.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
It wasn't like y'all got closed and he left with
y'all was on the cusps. You hadn't won a championship.
You had been to another. And you know, I mean,
come on, now, you give a choice. Let's see, you're
gonna stay there and play with Ticket and Truth in
Rondo or you're gonna go play with d Wade, Chris

(45:58):
bog and Lebron.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
I'm giving you a choice, and yeah, I'm gonna go
play with us, d Wade, Lebron exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Oh, you was down there in Miami, so you know,
think about you got Lebron and that was Lebron at
his apish. Yeah, we got him crescendo, You got d
Wade slashing, You got Chris Bosh, who sacrificed the most.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Because Chris Bosh was a twenty and ten guy.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
People don't realize Pat Bell, how good, how great Chris
Bosh was when he was in Toronto.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
He was you know, I got I got drafted to
the heat. Oh did you my rookie year was Lebron
James rook Yet.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
Chris Bosh was the second best skilled player on the team. Wow,
the stuff he was doing in practice And okay, you
can ask you Dona's has them, Juwan Howard, Jamal mcgle
I'm not not Jamal big Kat. I got one of
the coaches in Toronto. I forgot his name. You can
go down the list for the guys that was there.
What he was moving to people in practice. I haven't

(47:11):
seen a four man ever do that to nobody, nobody.
He was destroying people in practice every single day, every day.
I'm a rookie up. I'm looking at Mike Miller, I'm
looking at Carlos Royo pulling up, and Red Ferraris and
Lebron James.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
He two seventy and I'm looking at the wade. I'm
I'm rookie. I'm in that like, oh okay, this what
it is?

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Right? So like, so yeah, I seen that up closing
person and I've seen the preparation with that up closer person.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Man was in the weight room before everybody. Chris Bosh.
It's sad that what happened to him. It's sad.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
It's sad, like he's supposed to go, like he's supposed
to do more. You're supposed to hear, like more stories
like yeah, you hit a gag winner in the championship.
He's a four time champion.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
He's one of those guys. Wow leaves talent.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
M Hey uncle, I think I think it is personal
too long when you think about it, what Ray y'all said,
obviously him not being responsible and invite break.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
It's I think it's more than just basketball. You know,
it's something we don't know about.

Speaker 6 (48:13):
And it makes me think about the movie Life when Martin,
when martinon Eddie got into it and it was for
years and then they just think it all. It's like
that kind of level, like well, damn, you can really
do that Thus, that's all we've been through, and you're
gonna go play.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
With the enemy.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
And then when and then with that chip, Yeah, and
then when the reason they wanted.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Chip hit the shot heard around the world.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Yeah, I don't want to hear it. I'm ray outa
Jesus Shuttleworf. I don't want to hear they taking that,
they taking that personal way. But like I said, I
just I think it's I mean, it's what that's been.
It's been fifteen years, it's been what twelve thirteen years,
But it's time to move.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
You're closer to the end than the beginning. You only
got so many more trips around the sun now, I mean,
I hope y'all don think y'all got y'all got. I
don't know how Paul Pierce, and and and and and
Ticket is. Like you said, Pat, they're in their forties. Yeah,
you got your best years, your absolute best years are
behind you. To have a pity beef because someone left, Okay,

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I guess.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
People should feel bad for Ticket leaving Middlesop Club.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
They should feel bad for Truth leaving Boston, but nobody
holds out against them because you went to a situation
that you felt was best for you. At the end
of the day, guys don't owe guys anything. I gotta
do what's in the best entriest for me. I'm a business.
I'm an entity. I mean you think Google making decisions

(49:46):
on based on what Microsoft doing or what nothing?

Speaker 5 (49:50):
You know?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Microsoft is an oracle on the video. Oh, I'm a business.
I gotta make with the decision that's best for me.
And I believe if the money is comparable, money is
gonna be better because they ain't got no state taxes
in Florida. And I'm playing with Lebron, I'm playing with
d Wade, and I'm playing with a box.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
And I'm a brown ass man. I can make my
own decisions. Oh yeah, O Joe, you ain't here. You
ain't hear mone somebody? Is it only me? Because I
can't hear your at bell? Yeah, I can hear.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
You can't hear us. I can't hear you. I can't
hear I can hear O Joe too, Oh Joe, I
can hear you. You're giving me? Ojoe? Yeah? You clear,
y'all can if I can't hear you right now because
I don't have my ears in Sorry, mh you hear me. Oh,

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he can't heah, he can't hear. I see.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Look that's what happened when you you're talking about age.
See when you get old, you stop here.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, I know, y'all talking is but that's okay, y'all,
y'all to talking.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Man, got good send, Man, got good send.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Y'all love the ki kidd Oh Joe falling all out
of his chair, Pat Bell, Pat Bell standing on the head.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Lad, Yeah, y'all talking. I don't Oh, he still can't.
Oh what the hell you be watching on? Hey? Say chat?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
You know how you walk in the room and everybody
be quiet, like, hey, man, how you doing?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Been talking about me for the last thirty minutes? Talk
about how I'm doing?

Speaker 5 (51:52):
No, I told him about and the decision he can make.
He can make it because he's a grown ass man. Right,
I'm not entitled to tell y'all to what to do or.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Not to do. I'm I'm Ray Allen.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, and he was reality before he got there, y'all.
That make it seem like Ray Allen was not Ray Allen.
Do they remember Realen in Milwaukee? Do they remember Rally
in Seattle?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Reality? His name was Jesus the first black man named Jesus.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I don't think people. I don't think people realize that.
People don't realize how Ray he turned into a three
point shooter. But Ray was going to the right, dunking
on folks.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
His road changed and he knews wrong.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Ray was giving folks, giving folks that business. Yeah, all right, leg,
this is how I'm gonna need your expertise on this one.
Y'all threw a grenade at the crowd the other night.
You know, he know he can't. He can't b b BLA.
He can't do that anymore. He can't do it. Pat,
if you was in the locker room with yoah, what

(52:57):
what what? What would you what would you sit sit
down to talk to the young brother? What would you telling?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
I wouldn't try to write because I was in a
locker room and Anthony edwars too, right, So my job
in a locker room's man. Look, I ain't here trying
to be your daddy, but I'm gonna try to be
a brother.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
You feel me.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
You know these folks on you right, you're hot right now.
You just got out Yeah, you just got out here.
You got to check here every so often, man, Look,
stay off that corner.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Them folks, they're looking for you.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Yeah, calm down, tread lightly, just do that for about
six months. Them folks go give you anything you want.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
You can keep it moving.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Not him, I mean, and a lot of times past
we hear people that's not in that position. Let that
man be him, let that man live his life. Well,
that's why you're not in that position, because I don't
care what anybody says. There are certain things that you
have to do, no matter who you are or how

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much how big you are.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Right, it is what it is. No, but my thing
is I hope it's not. I hope it's not gonna
be a lingering thing. That's my thing. I hope it
don't get to a point where we told you so
you feel fact.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
They did it. They did it to thousand divers, right,
they did it to you.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
Talking about a trend setting, you're talking about somebody literally
changed the game. They got right out of that, not
because of no no girls or no a.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
I wasn't even doing that.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
They got them out of that because I practice, do
you practice? They made a thing, a big thing and
got him out of that. So that's my that's my
fear and everything right. You don't want to get to
a point where you're such a big distraction that it's
a negative uh kind of tutor that comes to you
and around that organization, you know. So you just don't
want especially his age, and especially what's going around now, right, right,

(55:04):
especially what's going around now, especially what's going around in
Memphis in these inner cities, who need who need that face,
They need y'all, right, because he's their coach, right, So
if he can like turn that light right and just
turn it the other way, right, And I ain't telling
you to go out there and pray to the gods
and do all that. I'm telling you to be yourself,

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be a basketball player, be swaggy, be your dad.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
My son, do the grit. So they're taking some type
of positive from it.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
My thing is, that's just use that big old light,
that big old platform you got, John, That's just use
it in another way.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Let me ask you a question, how surprised would you
be if Memphis moved y'all in the off season?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
That's the sact.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
I mean, that's that's I wouldn't say that's gonna happen now,
but that's usually the next steps you see a coach
lee right, anytime if we're in the locker room, we
see a coach get fired with my players get to
looking around.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Might the next man then player, I.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
Mean, listen, Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell
you I have my sources in the NBA. I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna disclose those sources because they probably
wouldn't tell me anything else at this point.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
And Pat, and you know I could tell you.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
You know, I can see John coming down here, coming
down here to bamy mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
I ain't gonna tell you who told me. And I'm
not telling you. I'm not telling you what I heard.
I'm telling you what I know.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
So if it does happen to have happened, you know
later on in the future, you just know you heard
it from me. First.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Man, I don't know if y'all got anything that they
won't y'all gonna trade them, Bam, y'all gonna trade them
Tyler Hero because that's the only pieces that y'all got.
They're not gonna give you a y'all best player. You
gotta give them something comfortable, Oh, Joe.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
Right, I mean we're across that Bridge when we get there.
But I'm just telling I'm just telling you what I know.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
That's it because the reports are Nico Harris, Harris, Harrison, Harrison, Harrison.
He reached out to Minnesota and man, is he available?

Speaker 5 (57:06):
No?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
He reached out to Milwaukee. Is y'all is available? No?
Absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
But at that point in time, he was like, hold on,
we're probably doing too much calling around. This is gonna
get out so now so now, Pat Bell, we got
a hone in Okay, our next our next move gotta
be our best move.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Hey uh?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
He called l A Rob Hey man, how you doing?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, man, I'm good. What you think? Well, you think
we can get the Davis off you for a Luca? No? No, no,
no no. The language is different.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
The language had to be like this, ah, ring ring ring.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
What's up? Man? What's going on?

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Now?

Speaker 1 (57:59):
You doing it?

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I'm good?

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Check it out. I got something for you. I'm about
to give you a ferrari. You give me back a
bag of potato. You couldn't, no matter of fact, I'm
gonna go lie to you a bag of potato with
the hole in the bottle because you're giving me damaged goods.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Damn pant.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
You could have said a bus pet. Now you're giving
me damaged goods. Man, I got my goods. I couldn't
even eat my goods. I can't play my goods. I
can't cook my goods. My goods ain't available.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Right, hey, dang it, let's see you, but i'll see
you in l A.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
You driving Ferrari, you're doing me like yeah, and now
they're looking at me crazy, tiking about fired me.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
No, no, no, no, we ain't gonna do that. Nah,
we ain't gonna do that, not here, not here.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
But you know what in order, because here's the thing,
there are certain people you don't even call and ask
about you not even calling Boston asking about Jason Tato.
You're not even there's certain you're not I mean, there
are certain people you won't even call. So the meyre
of fact Rob probably said, hold on, you would really

(59:11):
consider trating Luca?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Right, come come cause?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Rob is taking like, hold on, you're not called you're
not calling Golden Steak about no step, You're not calling okay,
see about shape.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
You know they're not answering.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
You're not calling them about Yoke. There's some things you
didn't even pick up the phone.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
The call.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
There's some things like we were.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Growing up, you wouldn't ask your mom, dad or grandma.
I wouldn't even bother because I already don't dance.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Her answer no every time. Listen, are you getting you
getting ready to go in the store with your mama?

Speaker 6 (59:45):
Matter of fact, she tell you before you even get
out of the car when we get in here, don't you.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Don't ask nothing?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
And you better not push that bug up on my
damn heels either, real, you don't, Oh Joe, you know
we pushed the bucket and all of a sudden they stopped.
And you're not paying attention?

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Did I tell you you hit that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
You hit that? Lord? Calve that Achilles?

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
Yeah, matter of fact, hold on my grandma, listen, I'll
never forget you know about zas you ever heard?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
You are?

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
Oh man, Pat, I done ran into my grandma, into Achilles,
not paying attention, pushing the buggy, and she just stopped
abruptly in front of me, And I had no idea
ran into the back of her.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
And she didn't even look back at me.

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
She just cool swim without even looking back. She knew
exactly where the back right upside the head. That's nothing
like don't ask for nothing. We're going here so on.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
I didn't get your I didn't get your feelings on
this because you know you you you you you. The
way you handled this was very very very perfect. You
had two friends kind of get into it a little bit.
How that feel who that Lebron and Stevie Day?

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
I know that puts you in a little pickle man,
I know that puts you in the pile bad man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Look here stephen A and stephen A.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Lebron felt that steven A crossed the line because he
questioned him as a father. You're not questioned in Brownie's skills.
You're not questioning my skills. You questioned and saying I'm
doing damage to my son by having him played. Bro
he's the fifty fifth player. I mean there's only there's
only sixty players selected. They make it seem like they
took Bronnie at the lottery, right, and if you I'm

(01:01:39):
not in Plus, you have to understand the man had
a major medical issue. Give him some time to recover
from that. Now, if in three years he's still mailing around, okay,
this is what it is. Maybe he's a career g leaguer.
Maybe he's a serviceable role player. But for me, once

(01:02:01):
it tells me a lot for Lebron to do what
he did, because Lebron has swallowed a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
For twenty two years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
For him to approach him in a public setting during
the timeout of a basketball game, lets you know just
how upset he was. He said what he said, Steven
Ay said he understood cool. The problem that I had
was Steven and and I told Steven a this bro,
you should have left that alone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Once you say you understood it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
But when you went made the rounds and you said
what you said on Gils Arena, and you went the
other platform, and then like you added ye's to the story.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
That's why I was out on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I mean, Steven if my guy, we talk about a
lot of stuff, not just you know he first takes stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
We talk about a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
And you know he's helped me, gave me, giving me
some good advites, and I like to think I've given
him some. I just wish whatever happened that Friday night
or whatever it was, that would have been the end
of it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
Yeah, And we made a good case on our part.
We made a good case. People should be judged case scenario,
right right, talk about the talent, right right, talk about
me not being good, talk about like criticized me, right,
But don't criticize me because of who my dad is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, like you say, I'm fifty fifth pick.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Ain't nobody talking about these two boma ass motherfuckers that
was number one and number two?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Exactly? That's losing every game. We don't even know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
Look, we talk about Brownie so much. People forget that
he was the fifty fifth pick. People forget who the
first three picks were.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Hell, I couldn't tell you, I mean hand the end
of the picks.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
My point exactly, you feel me so like when you
when you're dealing with that, right, and and and and
and One thing I like about the James family the
way they take the criticism is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Everybody everybody built for that. Pat Bell remarkable. Yeah, but
also you know, we've got to understand.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
You got to understand how long they've been in it,
how long they've been in so really, after this, after
this long, you have to think the pression has been on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Lebron says, what coming out of house.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Since he was a junior high school and everybody he
burst off when they put him on cover. Illowstone Sports
Illustrated said the chosen one. Yeah, so he's forty. He's
forty now. He was sixteen or seventeen then. So that's
been twenty three, twenty four years for damn near a
quarter century.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
He's been in the public eye.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yes, So it's just like it's just like any parent,
if you're in a situation and you can help your child,
you doesn't. We see these We see the sing Hills
and presidents, and he own the companies. What did Jerry
do all of his kids? Ain't nobody to say nothing? Well,
Steven ain't qualified, Charlotte ain't qualified. After parent, that's what

(01:04:48):
you do. You try to put your kid in the
best situation, and then it's up to him to make
the best of the situation that you put him in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
We got huh, we.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
Got the blueprint from that's what we got to bloom. Oh, man,
I see the CEOs they're doing this. Man, okay, man,
this person deserve this job. But they go hire they
go high cut, cuzzle over here, cuzzling and really did numb,
but they still go high. Okay, cool, we tilled all day,

(01:05:19):
so let's do the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Same thing, right, I mean collectively longevity.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
Uh you talk about legacy wise, you have to get
the first, the mom a lot of credit because it
starts with her and it trickles all the way down
right to Miss Savona. It trickles all the way down.
You have to give that family a lot of credit.
They've They've done a lot and to steal every time
you see them for them to look so so royal.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
So like with so much royalty and themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
The class is really impressive, especially coming from from the
black culture, especially coming around the black coach.

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
And this is how I know, this is how No,
not only is it James class, the James family is
class personified, but Lebron James well pat because you think
about his accolades, his achievements, and what he's been able
to do since coming out of high school, the pressure
being on him, him being able to take it all
this time and reaching a milestone of being the highest

(01:06:16):
scoring Indian player of all time, and the fact that
when he hit that fifty thousand points, you know, and
whatever game that was. I just wanted to show you
because the rest of the chat has seen it, some
of some other some of the other people that have
been on here, being able to see uncles, been able
to see it. You know, Lebron gifted be the fifty
thousand ball, the fifty thousand point ball, and I just
want to show it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Just check that out. You sure, yeah, yeah, you know.
I was. I was. I was on the Lakers when
that game happen. Yeah, this is the ball right here.
You're turning around a little bit. No, that ain't.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
No, that ain't I know I haven't played with that ball.
I haven't played with the ball. Yeah, I'll score to
that game. That ain't the ball I scored with. That
ain't the ball. Brad, Pa, what's going on with you?
Lou will and Brandon Jennings.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
You posted today that you kick their ass of the
one on one tournament, Lou William, Jeff Kie, Brandon Jennings,
Ty Lawson, every one of the buoys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
You get on the court with me, and I'm gonna
dog y'all what you say, uh uh low five, high five,
patent five.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Hey No, But so you got to understand, like, uh,
for me, my role coming to the NBA was very different.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Right, I've been on the team with Ty Lawson.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Right, I've been on the team with Lou will right,
I've been I played against Brandon Jennings.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
So.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
Five on five segment is very different than the one
on one set, absolutely right. Yeah, I'm able to practice
against these guys and I'm the guy that man I
can't shoot anyway. I got to play defense all the
time because I got to say, y'all ass anyway. So okay,
so they know what I bring to the Like you
know that guy in practice that no matter you suit
up with you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Man, he gonna get me hell every single day, he
ain't gonna let.

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
Up, right or if y'all in my case, y'all probably
was the guy that didn't let.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Up on you. You know what I'm saying. So that's
how it is with me in practice.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
So like I know, coming in in a door like
one on one in the door with me, like like
with me, I'm a different animal, Like I don't stop chewing,
I keep going, I keep going, I keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I won't bone. All want flesh, I won't bone, I
want meat. I will gristle.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
I want veins like I'm I'm I'm yeah, I get
wild when I'm in that cage, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
So I like that. I like that it's different.

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
Hey, I got a question, since you really got that
kind of you got that. In fact, you got that
obviously most most of us we call it that dog mentality.
It's not something that's taught, it's already in you. You
already got that. So I'm just curious you talk about
playing them boys if you and not go to place
one on one knowing that we both kind of think
alike and we cut from the same motherfucking claw.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
You think a game the eleven, you could deal with me?

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Yeah, yeah, not not not not like uh see, look
at my finger's doing something.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I don't even know what.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
They're doing right, right, right, but look, but not not
like just because because like you play a different sport
or whatever. That's not the case, just the just the
case that I will die out there before I loose.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Are you willing to do the same?

Speaker 6 (01:09:17):
Hold on, I'm willing to die about a lot of things, like, Okay,
let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Let me tell you something about me.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
Right, I owe fifty two hundred dollars, Right, I ain't
paid money in.

Speaker 8 (01:09:27):
About seven about you get ahold that I'm willing nd
you're crazy. He got our own and I ain't even paid.
But I ain't paying Oh hell dog oh hey on dog.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
Man cut before you get on the court, and and
and on the on the side.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Can't y'all heard this band, this fat be talk about
all night, talk about yeah, come up running your money.
We get to Baltimore. Now he can't doing without. He
ain't gonna pay me my buskey.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I just usually had a small example. Now I'm gonna
give your money anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
I'm just I would give I would telling Pat, I'm
trying to give an example or how like I'm willing
to die bout not giving it, but I'm gonna give
it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I'm not trying to trying to get Pat. Yeah, I'm
trying to get Pat to understand, like I'm really like
that too, And if you're willing to die by that,
I mean we on the same page, right, I would.
I would really love the schedule one on one between us.
I come to you, I'll start to five to eleven.
Hool me. I'm talking to you. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
See this this is the thing you played. You played
professional basketball. You have yet to see me play. I
averaged fifty six in high school. I was supposed to
go to the NBA, but I got in trouble. I
got suspended, I got kicked out of school, so I
had no choice and I went to a school that
I only had football, so I was forced to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
You hit me, huh. So I got the set, not
the transition into that. And if I need to get
back to what I normally do and that putting built
the ass on the court, you could be the first one.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
So so with with sports, and I think we all
know this.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
With sports, it's uh, it's the it's the major major
component that's always important, and that's conditioning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Right, that's me, that's me. I'm conditioning, right, I'm conditioning.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
I just played a game a month ago in front
of seven thousand, you know, eighteen five and five. You know,
I'm okay. They yeah, they screamed another language over that.
Why I'm plan, I'm I'm I'm happy. By way, I'm
back telling on the way back like this right this, okay.
So conditioning is a part of it. Mental conditioning is
the most important part of it. That's that's right. They

(01:11:46):
don't teach you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
That's what you can't get in the gym, right, that's
that's that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
I'm gonna just lift and keep doing this rep until
all my muscles burned, until I feel a burn that
I ain't never felt before. And then when I feel that,
I'm gonna do some more. Okay, that tight, but I
get wold. Okay, well let me, yeah, let me, let me.
Let me tell you something about my.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Can you hear me? Yeah? Yeah, Wow, I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
I'm gonna tell you about my my kind of conditioning.
All right, my conditioning. You know, I play socceryld on, let.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Me write it right this down, because I like to
be ahead, flight right right it down. I played a striker,
you hear me. I played a nine.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
I played forty five minute half strength with no break,
running full speed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
You hear me.

Speaker 6 (01:12:44):
That's fast. That's no breaks, no timeouts, no commercials. Forty
five minutes. That's two halves of those. Okay, that's part
of my conditioning. Then my physical and mental condition I
take these right here? How these called roast falls? Now,
this kind of conditioning, I don't know you one of

(01:13:06):
them that might be over. I popped one of these,
you hear me. I put cha in, kim put her
through the mattress, you hear me. I make sure she
touched every corner.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Of the wall. Huh.

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
I put on the ceiling fan and I tied to
the ceiling fan and nigga go around in circles. That's
the kind of condition I'm talking about, you shooting up
on them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
I'm just saying, hey, man, let the three go. Hey wait.
I love you boy.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
But those guys, man, they know, they know those guys man,
they just you know they I get the text like
it's funny because I get the text from guys like yeah, man,
that's that's key. Running it up for the media, And
in my mind, I'm like, no, I'm dead serious. Yeah, like,
well I ain't doing this because no media, I'm dead
seius I bust all y'all ass like for real, like

(01:14:12):
and we we could do it with cameras, with our cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
How do you want to do it? You feel me
how you want to do it? So yeah, fa so
let us so let this. Let me get this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
I get a sponsor and I'm gonna put fifty thousand
on the line, so you uh lou will tyd love
some Brandon Jennings one on one winner take off?

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Who taking the money?

Speaker 5 (01:14:36):
I'm I'm gonna say this, you will be not an
intelligent man against me. I'll tell you that. No, we're
gonna put it down. The winner, get it off, the
winner get the whole fifty thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Matter of fact, No, you ain't fit out a both o'
thing to it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Hey, no, and listen, I know it's cap when I
when I tell a person, come on, let's play one.
Hunt's let'sle's, let's play one. I want four hundred thousand.
You gonna get go your chase. I'm gonna go to
my chain. I'm gonna take out a hunty take out
of huntre. Don't nobody got to be there. We'll play.
I guarantee you all them say.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
No, I don't know. Hey, hey, hey, uh uh, Brandon,
Jennis Long, Hey, I got y'all. Matter of fact, I
got something even better.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
Ye right, y'all y'all both know, and y'all say, y'all
got sources, and y'all both know people that's in basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, ask them, just ask them.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Hey, man, look if if one of them suit up
with pack, because you know, we don't really know, but
if one of them suit up with pack, how did
I come and beat everybody? Tell you the same, like, man, Yeah,
they can play but boy, Pat different, he different. He different, Yeah, different,
he different. He just different.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
He not go stop.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
He's still working out, he still playing basketball, like he
Pat different, d different.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Yeah, so that's all. Are you trying to a Pat?
Are you trying to come back to the NBA? Are
you cool with where you are now?

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
You know what, I'll lat to you and say I
don't want to come back to the NBA, right, I'll
lat to you and say that, Like, you're a basketball player.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
You want to keep playing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
You want to You want to get a game anything
you can give it, right, you want to get a game,
anything you can give it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
You can play.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Play, I still can play. I still I still got
a good three years left them. You feel you just
got a couple of calls if I one decide to
go back overseas and play. So like basketball is always
a door open open for me. But again we speak
about longevity also, which is right. You know, I've done
a good job take care of my body to still
even be in this position. So yeah, if that opportunity

(01:16:45):
presents itself, I'm gonna be misster ninety four feet to
be reading.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
So in other words, in your claws in the overseas.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
You can opt down to come to an NBA if
an NBA team offer you correct, correct, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
Yeah so yeah, I mean it's been it's been a
fun ride. I've been doing this for seventeen years. Right,
I've been doing this five years overseas. Uh, I haven't
seen the whole world, man, I have seen. I haven't
seen Italy, I haven't seen Russia. I don't seen. I
don't seen the Israel. I don't seen Greece. I don't seen.
I don't seen so many different countries.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
On what's what's some of the best souvenirs that you
brought back from the countries, because I know you got
to bring something back because Russia and Italy is real,
and the Greece and Turkey all the place you've been.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
What's some of the best souvenirs that you brought back back?

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
You know what I'll just say, I just say my
mentor ones, right, the people I've met through my journey, right,
the coaches I've had, because you know, the European coaches
are very different than what the what the NBA is.
The friendships I have, right, the restaurants that I can
go back in Israel right now, if I want to
go to and and it looks exactly the same, right,

(01:17:55):
I'm able to bring my mom, you know, shot glasses
from different countries.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
You know you don't drink at all, but just to
have something that you know, my son bring me there.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
So like I mean this ride of mind, you're talking
about twelve years in the NBA, five years overseas man,
seventeen years pro doing an inner city kid from Chicago,
mother for you got to think John Shire, me and
Derreck Rose, we are the same class.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
I was the third best. I was the third best
player in that class. I'm the only player still playing basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Yep, John shotted coach a Duke, John Shire, him Me,
Derrick Rose.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
I was the third best player out of all of them.
I'm the only one still playing basketball. But y'all didn't
know that, did you? Chat? Wow? Pat Ba, your twelve
years in the NBA, you played with a lot of
great players.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
You was on Philly, You played with your EMBIID, and
you were with Lebron and a D and you with
Kawhi and PG and Jays. You played with James Harden.
You played with some of the great all seventy five players.
If you don't mind, what was some of the things
that you said, you would think that kind of made
them who they are what they are.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
Lebron I'm gonna start with Lebron James because he has
to go first, because he was probably the biggest impact
in my career. I met Lebron when I was a
rookie in Miami, and he really gave me the brew plant.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Oh being in the NBA and what his goal to
stay in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
Right, he just did all extra shit, like, Okay, we
we sprinting with the Miami Heat.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
He fucking pad, Let's do five most sprints. I'm a rookie.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Why I'm gonna say no, Lebron James, We're doing a sprint.
He don't want to do regular sprints. He wanted to
touch the wall. You feel me? Yeah, it might be
it might be nothing, It might be an extra little
two feet, but those extra two feet add up over.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
So many more times. Right right with James Harden, I seen.

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
His ability to take the game of basketball and make
it okay, how can I cheat the game? When I
say cheat the game? How can I get to the
free throw line twenty times? What's the gray area into that?
How can I use my IQ when my athletics and falls,
my athleticism falls, and still be an elite skill player. Right?
So I learned pick and roll isolation, the amount of

(01:20:18):
time it takes to get from an ISO to a
you know, from a switch. Then I go Kawhi Leonard.
I've never seen anybody in my life work out like
him on the basketball court. Right as basketball course, a
basketball player, as you rep it, you know, you might
shoot fast spats, you might shoot seven spots.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
I'm gonna shoot.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Five the corner, the wing, the top of the key,
corner wing, I'm gonna shoot fivet spots. Him he different,
He shoot nine spots. When you shoot fast wats.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Regularly, you make ten. With him, he make twenty twenty
nine spots. And it's not surprising to me.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
When he plays sometimes he gets hurt, Yes, he gets
hurt because he's putting in so much extra work on
the basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Wow, I've never seen a player.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
I've never seen a player workout like Kawhilin in my
entire life of being.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
On this earth. Damn.

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
His work arts are simple, they're extremely hard. They're extremely hard.
I'm talking about make twenty nine spots make twenty. Another
nine spots, make twenty going left fast spots, make another
twenty left fast spots.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Your arms so tired and your your mind so drained.
Right you forge?

Speaker 5 (01:21:24):
Yeah, I done got up a thousand Today, we go
do it again tomorrow path two thousands.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
We're gonna do it again tomorrow path three thousand. We
had six thousand makes in a week. I say, man,
this man is this man different? He did?

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
Yeah, you missed gang, You missed the Gang Winner. You
gotta make twenty, you miss twenty, you go back down
to fifteen. I'm talking about when it comes to like,
and it's not a lot of uh, ain't no joking
in the locker room, ain't no a cruse for eight
to ten people, ain't no cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
It's me, his homie, my home, four people, homies rebound,
let's work.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Wow, So what he did? Like and everyone knows. But
y'all know, like, with that amount of work you put in, yeah,
you know, you might be hurt. It might not show
up this game, but in the playoffs he shows up
every single time. Yeah, every single time. I was able

(01:22:23):
to have some really good bets and I ain't going
out to you. I had some motherfuckers that I was like, yeah,
let me stay away from him. I'm cool, you feel me.
I don't have the best. They walk in there with
with with flip flops on. The games starting an hour
they walking there with flip flops on. Okay, cool, Okay.
Next two years they out the league. Okay cool, Yeah, Pat,

(01:22:44):
don't do that, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Don't do that. So I had I had the best
of both worlds.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
I was able to see people with big names get
out the league, and I was able to see people
that stayed in the league without big names. I ain't
never average over ten points a game. I played twelve
years in the NBA. I missed the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
One wow.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
I got drafted forty two. I got drafted the same
draft Steph Curry, Drift. They took nineteen point guards. I
was one of them. Arn Keith Earn my keep.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
That's it. I made over one hundred million dollars in
the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Man uncle earned my keyp You recently made some critical
comments about the Sixers wasting opportunities. If you were the
GM of the Sixers, you got max contract, Joel andb
max contract. Paul George Max contract, Tyres MAXI you're the GM,
Pat Belly, the GM of the sixers.

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
What are you doing this offseason? This off season that
be it'll be tough. It'll be tough for me again
because now I have damaged goods. All those players you name,
they ended this season hurt, right, So now I'm doing
a deal with a team, It'll be tough for me.
Didn't even get that off. They didn't play well, they underperformed,
and they hurt. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm giving you unk.

(01:24:00):
That red Ferrari ain't a Red Ferrari no more. It
got a little den center, the little painter shiped a
little bit, the muffler, hang it back on the loose.
It ain't the Red Ferrari no more. I don't think
people striving. I ain't gonna lieu. I don't think you
want what I got to give you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
We gotta overload.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
We got to ask them first, some first rounds, we
gotta ask some second rounds. I think they put themselves
in a position to either be really good or to
be really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Well, I mean, when you got the contract, Joel ebiid
you got three years coming at one hundred and ninety
three million. You got Paul George, got it, He's gonna
pick up that fifty option. He's gonna pick that up.
So you basically so basically you got uh Paul George
for another four years excess to two hundred million. Tyree's Maxy.

(01:24:46):
I think ty Ree's MAXI is he He's on gonna
Mille All Star. He's phenomenal. But I just don't know
what you're gonna do with Joel and Bid, with his
injury history, with his age and that contract. Paul George,
his injury history of the Bloe eight, his age and
that contract.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
What could you possibly do?

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
You know what you gotta You gotta let it play
out one more year, right, and then, like we said
with anything with basketball, the first person to going ain't
the players to coach.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Right. And I played for Philly. I played for that
beautiful city on I played for Nick Nurse. Right. I
played with Joel.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
I know how nice he is. I play with Tyre's Max,
and when he got most improved that year, I know
how good he is. But you go feel a lot
of pressure from that city. Y'all know, Philly, yep, Philly
a different city when it comes to sports. When it
comes to sports, Philly take they they take they they sports.
They go to sleep with it. They go to sleep
with they sports. They drink coffee, coffee mugs. They got

(01:25:44):
Philly's cup. They go, they sleep, they wake up with
they sports. If you don't do something fast with that,
no matter what it is, and don't do the wrong
thing and the wrong thing and get rid of Joel,
you get rid of Joel, and this don't go right. Yeah,
you talk about losing for a lot of years. Right,
but if you if you, if you get the right
doctors in, you get the right medical staff, and you
get the right locker room pieces around them that you know,

(01:26:06):
maybe you guys don't feel hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
You feel me, Yeah, maybe you got I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
If you got ten games to go, right and you
and you need to win seven of them to make
it to the playoffs, that need that was hurting. It
don't feel that that bad today, right, But if you
got ten games to go and you got to win
eleven of them, you know, I don't want to play tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
It's just different, uh, Right. They just need they need
a coach.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
They need a coach or anything with that involves winning,
regardless if it's a company, it's a football team, it's
a basketball team, it's a it's a karate unit, with
with with with ten year olds. You need coach, you
need culture. In order to be good at anything, you
need the right culture and right and this year they
didn't have it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Pat, I look at och Or Now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
We had a discussion and I said, I looked at
it like this, Joel and bead end of the season.
He played in the postseason, but basically on one leg.
Why not have the surgery on the leg or rest
the leg? If surgery were required, why go to the Olympics.
And I understand the Olympics. America has done so much
for Joe Lynbid and his family. He's made him rich,

(01:27:13):
but wild is beyond his dreams. But he had a talent.
He parlayid that I don't get going to play for
the Olympics. And if I'm the Sixers, I'm not gonna
allow Joe to play because I got two three hundred
million dollars tied up in you and you spent the
half the season, the majority of the season injured. Do
you think he should have played in the Olympics? If

(01:27:34):
you if you owned the If you're Jeorsgh Harris and
you owned the sixers, are you allowing your injured player
who injured the season, who uh the last part of
the season and in the postseason was injured. Are you
gonna allow him to play or to have or are
you gonna say you need to have surgery or you
need to rest to make sure you're healthy for the
seventy six ers.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
So throughout that whole year, they knew that the team
came up short the year before.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
So being around the NBA at that time, you heard
little chatter, right you hear little chatter. Am Joel playing,
Damn kd playing and Kawhi you playing, Steph Curry playing, Lebron.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Said he playing? Did you playing like you start? You
start hearing about it?

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
And now became it became no everybody playing, all the
top dogs playing. Right, You didn't want to miss a
seat on that bus because what they did, they go
down in history, right, they go go down in history.
So with that with the States have dumb, you know,
in his defense, in his mind, he was like, you know,
Pat like, feel me like man, like my son was

(01:28:37):
born here, feel me like myn was born here. I'm
putting on for the little home. Right, you can't go
against that, right I'm putting. I'm putting on for my son.
So like I thought, I thought what he did, the
decision he made, I thought, I thought it was a
fantastic decision.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Right, I thought him coming up whinning, winning and go.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
I thought he was gonna take that momentum and go
back to Philly because in the Olympics he seemed he
seemed in great condition. He said, lee condition. He didn't
seem like, you know, like he was dragging anything. He
looked really good. He was probably one of the reasons,
the main reason he hit the mid range shot when
when US couldn't score right there on the right wing
over yo kid, Yeah, I guess Serbia. Yeah, he hit

(01:29:22):
that shot. That was a big shot. People don't understand
that's probably one of the biggest shots because in USA
couldn't score.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
He hit that shot.

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
They go on Steph Curry dowist thing, Lebron dwist thing,
but they win a game like they brung home the gold.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
I can't never fault a person who put on for
his country and brought us back gold.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Uh No, But if you if you Josh Harris and
you got three hundred million dollars tied up in him,
you can fault him.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
Yeah, if you, Josh Harris, you're looking at him from
a whole different beasts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, you looking at it from a business point. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
I hear that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
But yeah, we're gonna need We're gonna need gold in
Philly too, So yeah, it goes both ways. I'm just
glad Josh Harris. I'm that's a that's a hard job
to have. Yeah, that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Hard job to have because you shilling, you shelling that money.
Because here's the thing, and you had what's the gym
in Philly? You had him in the in the Houston.
He's talking about the GM.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
I walk on the bus. Uncle say hey, Darren Moore,
you trade me? He no, Pat, I ain't trade you.
I was traded three days like damn.

Speaker 5 (01:30:22):
And you know me. I'm I'm twelve years in so
and I know him. He came and got me, you
feel me. He came and got me in Europe. So
he brought me to the Rockets. He gave me my
first contract. So it's my mama, noah, So you be
mad even though he traded. You can't be mad because
he brought you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
That's my man. Yeah, it ain't personal business. But yeah,
I got on the bus. I got right on the bus. Hey, Darrel,
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
I see you on the on the on a lot
of away games like man, uh, I know trade by
go Dow. I'm getting traded on Patrick?

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Yeah, yeah, Pat, you're going to Milwaukee? All right? Cool?
I know the bites is uh, you feel me?

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
But if this ain't no work out because he extended
Joel Embiid when he didn't have to, it's easy to
give somebody else money away pack as opposed to spin
your old Josh Harritt.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Look at that hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
You brought in Paul George, gave him a five basically
a five year deal when it seemed like the Clippers
was only willing to go to three. You signed Joel
Embiid when he had two years still left on this deal,
and you gave him a three year extension of a
one ninety three.

Speaker 9 (01:31:25):
This better workout. Get You gave Nick Nurse the bad,
don't get about that. You better work out, Pat. You
gave Tyrese Maxie the bad. Yeah, so you got three
guys basically on the Max Car track. Yeah, I just
it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough. I think
this is years out. I don't think this is something
that can just turn around instantly. I think again, I

(01:31:45):
think they gotta fix what's in the locker room.

Speaker 5 (01:31:47):
Right if it's a star player, if it's a superstar player,
if it's the kid who you draft, or if it's
the role player who's wave in town, you gotta get that.
You gotta get that culture together. And once you get
that together, you can kind of navigate your way through
basket ball games. That's an easy part. But they got
to fix that locker room. They gotta fix the culture
that that that that organization back.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
They gotta get it back.

Speaker 7 (01:32:07):
The volume

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
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