March 9, 2022 • 44 mins
Influencer and Blogger, Aurora Culpo joins Olivia. Aurora and Olivia bond over being related to someone “more famous”. Together, they explore the importance of health, wellness, trusting your instincts, being in the shadow of a relative and the self-care practices we all need.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Conversationous with Olivia Jade in My Heart Radio podcast.
Hello everybody, it's Olivia Jade. Welcome back to another episode
of Conversations Today. I have a special guest and it
is the lovely miss Aurora Cupo. And you guys might
be familiar with her through Instagram. I know that I've
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seen her Instagram a bunch. She's a mom of two
and I just want to hear her story. You might
be familiar with some of her family members, and I
want you guys to get to know her specifically. So
with that all being said, please welcome Alora. Hello, thank
you so much for coming on the podcast. I'm so
excited to have you. Thank you for having me. Course,
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So do you want to like just kind of intro
yourself a little bit. I know you're from Rhode Island.
I did my research a little bit, and you have
two babies, right have two babies. One of them is
currently screaming in her crib, and I like have like
that like mom guilt in my heart right now. But
it's good for her to like learn how to put
herself to sleep. She should know how to do that.
She's just eighteen months now. But anyway. Yeah, so this
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question is so funny because it's like I was I
feel like I practiced this question of like who are
you and it's like, oh my god, how much time
do you have? Like so like so originally I am
from Rhode Island. I was in UM the education industry
for a long time. I have master's degree in early
childhood education. I was a teacher that I worked with
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kids with autism. UM. I was a behavior analyst, so
I learned a lot about how to like shape behavior,
which is funny because now I'm a mom of two
kids and like, I use none of that. I don't
ever apply anything that I've learned, and I know to
be true UM with my own kids. You know, like
they scream and I give them a lollipop, Like you
don't do that. But sometimes it's just like survival. But um. Yeah,
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so I moved to UM. I moved to l A
because I met my husband and now we have two kids,
and I kind of like fell into this UM this
like influencer role that I don't know. I'm like still
kind of embarrassed you, like I'm an influencer. I feel
like it's gotten a bad rap even though I do
feel like there's something I really enjoy connecting with people.
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And I tend to be a little like t M
I about mom life and mental health and I'm a
wellness guru, but I'm also like a complete yo yo
where I'll just like party hard and then be like
I'm only drinking green juice, you know that last three days.
But but so yeah, there's a lot of there's a
lot of characters I've played. I was a yoga instructor,
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I'm into meditation. I read that online. I was like,
because you know, you never know what you're reading if
it's true or not. And I saw that said something
about fitness and how you're really into yoga, and I
was like writing it down, I was like, I wonder
if this is even true. If I'm gonna ask this
question just because like is it true now? Now? I
do you. I still do yoga all the time, and
I find it to be one of the things that
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really grounds me in my life, um you know, crazy times,
and especially you know, like just making yourself vulnerable to
all the opinions of other people on the internet, like
that you need to really have not even have thick skin,
but just like have a heightened sense of like awareness
of like your own worth. And so for me, like
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my grounding is is really like physical, like I I
go to yoga, I do my workouts. Um, but I
also have two sisters and I'm super close with and
we do a lot of um work together. Like we
have a lot of exciting things coming up that I've
been I'm not allowed to talk about right now, which
is like my management is like always nervous getting me
on podcasts because well, I'm just like I am, I'm
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like t M I but but yeah, so so we're creating.
We have a lot of things going on together as sisters.
But then individually, I'm I'm starting a website. Um, I'm
a writer, so I'm writing a lot about just like
basically mom acts, personal struggles with like postpartum anxiety and
depression and things. Just I don't like to call myself
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an expert in anything, but I'm I'm an expert in
being honest and sharing personal experiences, which I feel like
helps so much more than you even realize. Because for
me too, it's like all like be on this podcast
and have certain guests and then I walk away, or
if a YouTube video goes up and I'm like, is
that boring to people? Even like that? And then the
response of you just being like open and honest can help,
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even if it's just a few young girls or moms
going through something similar or something like that. It's like
it's crazy how much of an impact it can actually
have and you don't even realize it. I know. It's
like I think I'm a little like hard on myself
and like just like that question like who are you
and what do you do? I'm like, what do I say?
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Like what do you am? I what do I do?
Like a lot of people, it's easy for them because
it's like I'm like, I'm a talent manager. I mean this,
I mean that. But it's like when you kind of
wear a lot of different hats and you and your
thing is just being open and being like like a
source for other people to kind of like to learn
from your mistakes and things you've done. Like doesn't really
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have a title, like not traditional, especially now with social media,
it's like so normal, Like to me, I think of
it like influencers, like a category. Obviously, I agree, I
think that word has been I think not even just
like I don't think it's bad. I just think it's
overused to the point where it's like what are you influencing?
I guess, and like what's your purpose? And then it
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is it just to like I was talking about this
with somebody recently, I'm like, I love I love what
I do and I started my YouTube when I was
so young and I enjoy it so much. But also
it's like there's a level of embarrassment now where I'm like,
am I just do people just think I'm doing this
because I want like followers in an easy job? Or
do people see that this is something I'm passionate about, right,
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But like like, oh you it sounds it seems like
you're doing this for attention, Like that's something like I've
heard before two or like you know I've gotten in
my d M s And it's like, yeah, you do.
Like as a human being, like we seek connection with
other people who seek to be seen and to be
like heard and validated, and especially if like you feel
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like earlier in your life and your childhood, maybe weren't
always seen for who you were. Like to have a platform,
to be able to to be to see yourself, to
have other people see themselves in you, and to feel
like you've made a positive impact on people. I feel
like that's like it's been hugely like healing for me
in a lot of ways. And also it's been a
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huge growth experience. Like what I've learned is like you
don't need to be an expert in order to like
speak on a topic. You know, so and do you
think like because you're both your sisters. I know Olivia
just from like years of just like going out and
seeing her around and she's lovelier. And then you have
another sister too, So yeah, is that correct? Do they?
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I know Olivia influences or whatever we're want to call it,
but not like you to call her that. Wait, yeah,
I take it back, Olivia. I'm so sorry. But does
Sophia also do Instagram and that whole vibe? She's funny,
Like we we make fun of her all the time
because she kind of like she went to she has
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a degree for Boston University in nutrition and public health,
and then she kind of was like, you know, I
don't know, I don't know what your experience was like
after you after college or whatever, but when for me
it was like you you think you're going to graduate
and get like a great jobs, like no, you're living
in Squalor. For a lot of that was my experience.
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You're just like trying to figure out what you want
to do, and you're just like still heavily relying on
my parents. At least I was. But for Sophie, we
make fun of her because she like she literally walked
out of college and then was like, oh, I'm gonna
go live with Olivia. Actually, like she's got a good
thing going on over there. She's just like completely writing
out her coattails. But it's like work smart, you have
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to do you do you You take advantage of the
cards that you have that you're dealt and if you don't,
then you're stupid, you know. And it's not like it's
been easy for her. It's like just as hard to
try to make something for yourself when you feel like
you have something already set in stone, like for for
for me and Sophie, it's been a little bit like
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of a an interesting situation because Olivia has been established
and she's done a lot, you know, like cover Sports,
Illustrated all that, and it's like I hate when people
are like, oh, you're Olivia's sister, right, It's like, no, actually,
she's my sister. I'm older and she is the way
she is. That's how my sister feels to like exactly,
if anybody ever says to my sister if we're out
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of like an event or a party, like oh you're
Olivia's ironically same name, but like, oh you're Olivia's sister,
She's like, my name is Bella and it's really nice
to meet you. But I relate to that too, just
having like a mom that's an actress, like growing up
and every every thing that's ever written about me or whatever.
It's like Lorie Laughlin's daughter, which I get, which is
a fact, sure, but also it's like you do want
to be recognized for your own, your own thing and
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like being your own person. I thought it was so
interesting too. I was justin, this is so random. But
I was just in Paris for fashion week and I
was at a party and somebody introduced their friend and
the person they were introducing me to has a very
famous dad, and they were like, this is so and
so son, and I literally looked at them and I
was like, what's his name? Like why do you like that?
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If somebody did that to me, I know, And the
thing is it's like, yes, we've all gotten. Everybody who's
created any success for themselves has had certain strikes of
luck or like a leg up in one way, and
it's like you either hop on that opportunity and create
something for yourself out of it, or you can be like, oh,
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you know that's you can shy away from it and
like either you there is fine. But I just I
have a problem with people being like, oh, she's only
she's only she only has followers because of her sister,
or she on her parents are famous, that's why she
like blah blah blah, because it's like, if you haven't noticed,
not all famous people have like famous siblings or not
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everybody whose parents are famous like they've made something out
of that. A lot of people actually have. It's, if anything,
it's been like a hindrance to them because they don't
really even know like how to create something for themselves
because they feel like they only can think of the
mold that was already set for them. Yeah, yeah, I
really see what you're saying. It's interesting too, because it's
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such a touchy subject because you don't want to, like,
at least for me, I get nervous talking about anything
to do with that, because I'm like, I don't want
people to think that I'm not recognizing that I definitely
was born in a life where I'm already like a
thousand steps in front. I can recognize that. But then
it's like when people go on to say kind of
what we're talking about just or anything in that realm,
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I'm like, I almost feel like it d like devalues
what I've like tried to build by myself when I
was like a young kid fourteen starting a YouTube. And
it's like I get it, Like I definitely have immense
privilege that's like taking me very far. But also it's
not It's like it took work. It's not just because
I was born. And there's a difference between like recognizing
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that and its value and and and using it as
a way to like further your own ambitions. And then
and then you know, on the flip side, you could
be like ashamed of it or or you could like
feeling shame about anything is just not productive and it's
not helpful to anybody. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm on
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your wavelength with that. Yeah, for sure, are you the
oldest of all siblings? Are just the girls I'm the
oldest girl. But we have five in our family and
um and where it's an Italian family, it's so like
if you know any I think you're Italians. Yeah, so
it's like the but you only have a sister, so
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you don't have brothers. You do have a brother. See
this is what happens. Like I only knew about you
and your sister and I also have like other siblings too,
But it's like we're the only ones who have taken
advantage of this kind of life because this is like
what we wanted to do. Not everybody wants to do that.
Like my brothers are musicians. They're super talented, but they're
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not really interested in like putting their life on the
internet for people to be like say anything they wanted about,
Like not everybody. He's super private. Yeah. Well, I don't
know if you have the same dynamic in your family.
But in my family, the girl is like the is
in charge, Like she it's responsible for everybody, and like
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we're the connectors, Like we're the ones being the Thanksgiving plans.
We're the ones like making sure everybody's doing what they
should be doing, getting mom a Valentine. My brothers are
just like so basically, long story short, I do feel
like I'm the oldest brother and you're really you're working
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on stuff with your sisters. Obviously you just said you
can't go into that, but I grew up with a
sister that's really close in age, and I'm super super
close with What was that like growing up for you guys?
And then who was like the first to get into
what category? Like give me a little give me a
little tea on the family. It's a funny. It's a
really funny story. Um we So Olivia started modeling in
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college and then she like randomly, um uh, tried out
for MS Rhode Island. And my family is like, they're
classical musicians, like they're kind of like, I mean, they're
gonna be Madmie for sing this, but like elitists, like
they just you know, they're like, oh no, just pageants
were cheesy to them, Like like my parents. My mom
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was mortified. So she tried out. She ended up winning it,
and then she ended up winning Miss USA, and then
she ended up um winning um Miss Universe, and we
were all kind of like, uh, what like just happened here?
So that was a world win for my family, but
for me personally. It was like, you know, I was
still I was like getting my master's degree, and I
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was not making any money. I was living at home
with my parents. I just gotten out of a bad relationship,
and here's my sister like crushing it at life, like
three years younger than me. And and you know, it
took like a few years of our relationship just like
going through trials where like I was having to really learn,
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like not to compare where I am in life to
where she is in life, and not to compare like
each of our vale use based on like like there
was a time I'd be like, well, that's stupid. I
don't even like she's she's oh she's promoting like lipstick
on Instagram. I don't care, like I'm saving, I'm doing
God's work over here, you know. And then and then
and and then, like our dynamic changed a lot, and
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I started to realize that I don't know if our
dynamic change or that if I just realized that, like
it doesn't feel good to feel like someone else's gain
is like you're lost, you know. And when it comes
to shove, like there's nobody in the world that I
would rather have something amazing, like that happened to and
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then my sister like, what would I prefer somebody else
to have one? No? And yes, she did win those
three competitions, and that definitely gave her a leg up,
which you could say is lucky. You could be like, oh,
well she was born with a pretty face, or she
heard her question well or something. But what it really
comes down to is that she manifested it for herself.
She believed in it for herself, and she works really
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hard to this day. She's like one of those people
who like does the work. She actually just recommends a
book to me called do the Work. I think it's
like an audible book. Um, but she's the person who's
journaling every day, and it's like and looking at at
old journals from years ago seeing that like what she
wrote then has like come true for her, you know,
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big and manifesting. I think that's huge, honestly, Like I
know that. I know for some people they think that's
absolute craziness. And I've been trying to journal like a
little bit more, just write down like goals. A friend
of mine gave me this notebook recently that like is
all lined out for you and then you write and
like this is what I want to do this year,
and then you go back at the end of the
year and I probably haven't. I'm just trying to do
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all of it, but I'm just like I lack motivation
in it because I'm like does this even work? Like
what's going on? And you're like fighting with yourself to
try and get it done. But once you do it,
it actually just feels really good to like sometimes just
like vent on a piece of paper and just like
let everything out. And then also I do think that like,
like I remember when I was really really young, like
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probably seventeen or eighteen, there was a big chalkboard in
my house and I had written like the letters s
C on it and it was for Sephora Collection, and
I like really wanted to like I had been working
with them like a little bit when I was younger.
And then I remember like a year later, it was
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like somebody had erase the chalkboard, but it was like
very faded out, and I was walking down the stairs
to go to school one day and I had gotten
a call from my agent like Sephora p how it
wants to do or Sapphora Collection wants to a pallette
with you and I was walking down the stairs, I
got this call like looking at the faded like sc mark,
and I was like, that's so weird. So I do
believe it in a sense, yeah totally. And like while
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you and I might not be like the journaling type,
even though like I don't know, I do feel like
I need to try that out. I'm just like, for
some reason, I can't get myself to do that. But
even like doing something like this, like a podcast and
just like speaking about things and like just like it's
kind of like your any different you know, like you're
you're talking about different subjects. You're talking about what you hope,
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your hopes and your dreams and all that, and just
like the words we speak and putting them out into
the universe, I also feel or just they have a
very very powerful myself being like, oh I don't know
I am. It's like no, I know, yeah, everything you're
just speaking into like the way you talk about yourself,
it does go really far. But I'm the same because
even when people ask like what do you do, I'm like,
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what do I do? And then if I tell you
what I do, it's going to sound really lame because
I feel myself in my bedroom by myself talking and
it's like super super lame. Um. But anyway, you're in
like full mom mode on Instagram too, Like is that
what the main content is that, like your main type
of content you produce or yeah, I mean it definitely.
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That's kind of how I accidentally fell into the influencer
world because I had I had my son and I
was just like holy, like nobody talks about this, Like
is anybody else like not able to sit down after
you give birth? Like what are hemorrhoids? What are like
all these things that people are like, you know, just
like embarrassed to talk about. And like I've kind of
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marketed myself as that person that's like approachable and we'll
tell the truth. And and that has been like a
double edged sword for me because I'm the person who
is like in my d M s responding to everybody
getting myself into trouble. Like I'm like, I'm surprised to
let me do a podcast without my sisters because they'll
usually be like kicking me under the table to be
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like shut up say that word, like you're gonna get
you're gonna get canceled. I'm always like on the verge
of getting cans. I would never let you get canceled
from me. It sucks. I won't let anybody next to
me or around me get canceled. I've had a lot
of experience being kind of unfiltered on Instagram and it's
it's gotten me in trouble um just because uh, I'm
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a little impulsive with the way I talk. I respond
to basically all I'm like, you know, I'm in a
fight with Tim from Ohio that I've never like, why
do you read? You're like just don't answer them, and
I'm just like I've got to get talk to like
I need to talk to this person. And because you're human, yeah,
I know I need to be better about that. But
what when when my manager was like, do you wanna
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do you want to go on Olivia Jade's podcast, And
I was like, I would love too, because I feel
like what i've from what I've seen from you is
like such a resilient person, like not everybody like I've
I was like doing my research and like you know,
I'll see I'll see like just trolls like saying just
stupid things, and it's like it takes everything in me
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not to respond to them, but it's like the fact
that you're able to rebuild after like people have just
said such horrible, stupid things. It's like not everybody has that,
like and that is something that has nothing to do
with like coming from famous parents. That's like something that
that's like grit, that's like an internal strength that not
everybody has. Thank you so much for saying that. I
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really appreciate it. I feel like it's so much like
for me too. It's I like try and put on
like a like a brave front, you know, or like
a strong not even brave, but just like a strong
friend of like oh yeah, I'm unbothered by this or whatever.
But it is so true, like kind of what you're saying.
When you want to respond to all those trolls and
haters or people that just don't know you, I want
to say something that's like intentionally gonna make you upset.
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It's so hard sometimes to like really just ignore it
because also I'm like I don't know much about signs,
but apparently this is what I've been told because I'm
a libra that you want everyone to like you, which
I think is a really true thing about me. It's
like I always I'm like, like my sister is complete opposite,
Like she's so fine if nobody like with her, she
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doesn't care. She's like I'm my own person, Like she's
uniquely sarcastic, She's just her own vibe. And for me,
I'm like always trying to people please and I want
people to like me, and if somebody doesn't like me,
then I want convince you to like me. So it's
like such a test the last few years of obviously
feeling so hated by like literally everybody, that I was like,
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this is just not, this is not I don't think
this is meant for my brain, Like I I need
people to like me. And the fact that I feel
so misunderstood by so many people, and like the media
and the way that they can like twist things and
all this stuff is just so crazy. Like I'm glad
that to the outside it seems like I'm resilient, but
it's like in my I'm a firm believer to that,
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like you're never given anything that you can't handle, and
like all the situations that have happened to all of us,
like like there their opportunities for us to like evolve
as people and to like become better versions of ourselves.
And you can either take that opportunity to like go
in one direction and not make any progress, or you
can take it out the opportunity to to grow and evolve.
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And it sounds like you were the perfect person for
that to happen to, because not everybody would be able
to recover, for um, like just any hate you know,
from it's really hard to to read things and and
that are just not true and not feel the need,
you know, and just be like I'm not going to
defend myself because it's just not it's not even worth it.
And people just people want to What I've learned is
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that like people just want to they want to think
what they want to think. So like for me, my
thing is like I don't need people to like me,
but I want to be right and I want you
to know that I'm right. So that but like you
don't you know, you're not gonna win. It's a losing battle.
So and it's also like the people that are saying
all that, it's like, okay, but you personally don't even
know me, so go off like say what you're gonna say,
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but you've never met me, So until you meet me
then make a fair judgment. That's like what I always say.
I'm like, if you meet me and you don't like
me genuinely, Like if we talk for a while and
this girl is a bit, I'm like, Okay, then you
can think I'm a bit, that's fine. But if you're
just seeing like little things online, like you can't you
can't judge me just for that, like you don't even know.
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But I also think is just another random topic. But
I also feel like, and then we can get back
to you and like details about your life, but you're
just very I feel like you're very understanding of all this,
and it's interesting to hear another person's perspective. But I
also feel like what's interesting about like trolls or internet
hate or just being on social media in general. It's like, hey,
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it never feels good for anybody to have like a
mean comment, Like everybody's human. You don't want to see
that anyway. But I think that people forget that, like
the people that they're talking to, these influencers or anybody
that's in some world of like fame or public like attention,
is like they're also human beings. And I feel like
people genuinely forget that, like the mental toll it can
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take on a person when you are that negative constantly
towards them, or it's like one thing like I saw
my friend who's like in the midst of like being
quote unquote canceled right now, and he like came out
and said his side of things, and then I see
all the comments that are like why why, like why
is he making this about himself? Like how do we
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make this about himself? And I'm sitting there and I'm
like I get what the comments are saying too, but
also like do you not realize like when you've canceled
somebody that much and it's that public and you're constantly
writing negative, negative things like of course it's about them now,
Like that takes a mental toll. What you're crazy to
think they're sitting like that's not making it about themselves.
That's being a human with emotions and reacting to something
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where hundreds of thousands of people are telling you who
you are right now. That's like survival, that's like fight
or flight. Like we are wired for connection. We're wired
for like literally our biology wants to be accepted in
the clan because otherwise, like we're not you don't survive
as a solitary person like in our you know, going
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back to the caveman times. So it's, yeah, it is
all about us because it feels like life or death
when you're being like cut out, when you're being canceled.
Um but I but I think the best thing like
that that I feel like you're exemplifying for people, for
all the people that are continuing to be canceled, is
that like the best way to just like win when
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those people is just keep showing up. Like here you
are with like a successful podcast. Here you are like
still showing up, doing your makeup, doing your camera in
front of you, and it's like it's like they didn't
they didn't win. So that's like very inspiring. Yeah. I
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read also that you were pregnant during COVID. True or false,
Like in the midst of the pandemic, I was pregnant
during COVID. That was how was your mental health and
like how did you keep yourself in check? Yeah? So
I I had I had an experience after I had
my son that I started having catastrophic anxiety and I
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didn't even really know what it was. Um, but I
realized I realized now that it was like it almost
felt more like a superpower, Like I could walk into
a room and identify like every exit, every potential threat,
every hot coffee, every like person that looks weird, every
because like I was just like hyper vigilant over my
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son and I was really afraid that he was going
to like some like a smother in his sleep. And
you hear these horrible stories things happened to kids, and
like I feel like Netflix was always telling me to
watch like documentaries about horrible things happens to kids, and
I just felt like after a while, I was like,
this doesn't feel this can't be right, Like this is debilitating,
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and like to my husband, it seemed like I was
just being like an overprotective mom or like nurturing and
it's almost like it was almost like, oh, you're like
you're like too good of a mom. But it's like
that's actually like that's what they call it, but it's actually, uh,
it's like it's it's postpartum. It's not really depression. It
leads to depression because it's anxiety. So I ended up
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going actually um on Zoloft for a little while, and
it like turned my world around and and made made
me realize that what I was feeling was not normal,
not helpful, and and I felt great. Um, so that
really worked for me. And like I come from a
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family of like my dad's like has run fifteen marathons,
Like if you're feeling down, like he's like, go run. Yeah,
Like exercise does help, but like to a certain extent,
I think, especially when you're dealing with like the hormones
of after birth and all that. So anyway, so that
was with my son, and then when when um, a
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year later, I wanted to have another baby and I
didn't want to be on any medication for that, so
I weaned off and it was fun, and I got pregnant,
the pandemic hit and I'm just like like halfway through
my pregnancy, I started feeling like the same things, like
I started the same kind of like just like intrusive
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thoughts of like of just like bad things happening. They
were like I remember I watched something on the news
and like the story was like sat on my chest
for like weeks, like I couldn't shake it, you know,
It's like I just kept thinking about it was so
sad um and so I had to make a really
hard decision about whether to go back on zoloft during
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my pregnancy. And that's like there's not a lot of
studies around um like taking medication while pregnant, because you know,
ethnically they can't really do that. They can't use pregnant
women on trial for like a trial um study. So
and then there's like a there's like a some percent
chance that they could be born with autism, or then
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there's but I knew I was having a girl. I
know the autism is much less common in girls. And
so I had to make the really hard decision to
go back on it because it was either like what's
going to be worse for this baby, like being depressed
and anxious and possibly like going into early labor or
going on this medication. And so I went on it.
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I started feeling good again and I and it like
worked perfectly, and we're I know, we were talking about
science before um and the craziest thing like happened. She
was she was like it was like eight months. I
still had another month until she was born. And it
was the middle of the night and I just woke
up and I had this like I was like something
that's not right, Like I just had like a feeling
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like in my gut. She she was like, I didn't
have any pain, there was no bleeding, nothing, But I
was like, I'm just gonna drive myself to the hospital
because like I didn't want to go during the day
because it was the height of COVID and I didn't
remember during COVID, like you never wanted to go to
the doctor. He's never wanted to be around. Like I
barely get in ye right was the lines and everything.
So I was like, I'll just go now because I
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couldn't sleep, and um to get in my car and
I go and they hooked me up and they're like
we need to get this baby out of you right now.
She can't breathe. And they were like, how did you
know to come in. I was like I literally don't know.
I just like drove myself here, Like I remember on
the way they're being like you're such a weirdo, like
you're driving by myself. Didn't even tell my husband I
was leaving. I just got in the car and went
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and I was like they're gonna be like this lady's psychotic.
She needs to go home. Oh my gosh, that's like
mom intuition yeah, it was crazy, And so I labored
for her and and we labor and labor, and she
kind of come out and they were like, we should
just do a c section before, like something bad can happen,
and and we end up doing a c section and
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she was completely wrapped in her cord, like from the
neck down, and they were like, she didn't come in today,
she would not have made it. Yeah, so that's like,
that's like my I like have chills now even telling
this story because I I on pent believe now, just
in like, do you have a gut feeling that, like
with no evidence about it, just something in the gut
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feeling like you need you should act on it. I
feel like our bodies know almost before our brains do sometimes,
like what's happening. Yeah, my mom always told me growing up,
when you have like a like your intuition or gut instinct,
that's like your angels talking. She's like pretty religious, so
I think that that's like her her thing, but always
talking about angels too, and I'm like, I don't, I
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don't know. I don't think of those in that in
that like conceptual kind of term. But I also grew
up Catholic, so yeah, me too, But I do think
that's that's really crazy. So you had her, you had
her with a C section. I had her c section
a month early. UM. And then how did you feel
after that? I? Well, I was on the zoloft from
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me pregnant, so I felt it was it was just
a much easier transition. It was much smoother UM and
and I weaned off of it after that, and like,
my I don't know, like I haven't been having like
any anxiety, any symptoms, thank God, knock on wood. But
everybody's like, why would you go off? Like what's the
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big deal? Like just maybe you're just someone who needs
to like be on that forever. And and there's just
something in me that's like I just don't want to
have to be on something forever. Just feels very like
I don't know that it just it. I would rather not,
but I'm not opposed to it. Like if those feelings
start coming back, I know that that for me, like
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I have no qualms about like going back on it.
And I don't think it means that you're a weak person.
I think it. Yeah, I think it means that you know,
like when something is chemically off, and that you can
identify it as like separate from yourself. And I feel
like there's also like so much you can do like
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on your own and like homeopathically or whatever. Certain people
believe even that are kind of deterred from like standard medication.
But there's also like truly there's only so much you
can do if you have a chemical imbalance or something.
That's like with my somebody that I used to be
very close, but they were always super ashamed of being
on medication, and I would always tell them, I'm like,
this is nothing to be ashamed about. Like, if anything,
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this is kind of a blessing. You found something that worked,
like otherwise you can just live in like speaking of
um wellness though, I know on your Instagram you have
a segment like wellness Wednesdays. Oh my god, yesterday's Wednesday,
And I like, what's the segment Caroline to yell at
me that I haven't done yet? Um, So I've been
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getting these um these ad I v s. Have you
have you heard of them? An A D I like
don't even know it's this really long? Is an amino?
Basically it's approachein that your body makes for you already,
but it's supposed to be like anti aging, anti um inflammatory.
It's supposed to kind of help your body heal fast
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her And it's this ivy that I've been getting through
this company called reset ivy um and and and I
think it's been helping me. I mean, like my sleep
has been feeling better. I don't know, have you Have
you gotten I vs as like a I have when
I'm like hungover. Yeah I know, I know, and every
single time I get them if I'm hungover, which has
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been like too many times. But I just feel like
it doesn't really work for I agree. Wait, I agree.
I'm the only person that says that I'm like, this
doesn't do I still feel terrible right. And I had
a nurse tell me once that she's like, well, like
you could also just drink the water, like you don't
have to get it right. It's like, yeah, it'll hydraate
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you if they give you some zoo fran that's the
like anti no me, dan, you'll feel better, But like
nothing's gonna make up for like the lack of sleep
that you got, you know. So and yeah, um yeah,
oh my god, I need to find a hangout. Like
somebody whoever may create a pill is going to be
so rich. I need to get on that. Like so rich,
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I wouldn't a musk made like a hangover charging station
or something you should? I mean, honestly, if you're that
smart and you can make that many other things like
how hard is it to figure out how to cure
a hangover in a pill? I always think about that,
But then I'm like, well, clearly, if it was easy,
it would have been done. Yeah, or we could just
stop drinking. But that just doesn't seem realistic at all. No, No,
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I don't think I tried that. There was a while.
There was a while where I was like, I actually
don't drink anymore. I like told everybody hard when you're pregnant,
like the nine months of sobriety, it it definitely. It
definitely highlights for you what your crutches are when you're
not allowed to use them anymore, and we eat like
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I Well, it was also a pandemic. Okay, people were drinking.
Remember how much everybody drink. Everybody's making like banana bread
and drinking, making bread and drinking. That's literally all the
Remember everybody had like a sour dough starter. Yes, I
don't care, Like can somebody give me a bottle of wine.
But yeah, I know that it definitely was hard the whole.
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It was like for me, pregnancy felt like being trapped
in your body, and then like I was also trapped
in a pandemic, and it was just like there was
a lot of feelings of being trapped. I was like,
my whole I can't even imagine that too, because I
know so many people can relate to just the pandemic
in general, just being like absolutely terrible, feeling super locked away,
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like no social connection. On top of that, being pregnant,
which kind of as you're talking about, like I feel
like everybody glorifies pregnancy obviously. I'm I'm still in my
early twenties, like not a thought in my brain about
having children anytime soon. But I'm like when I do,
I don't know anything about pregnancy except that like you
looked cute with a big belly, and you can wear
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like really cute tight dresses and you don't have to
worry about being bloated because you're pregnant. Like that's people
treat you very well, Like people treat you like you're
like a walking miracle, like and do you have the
baby and then you're like not pregnant anymore. Like you
noticed a shift in like how people treat and you're like, like,
am I not a walking miracle anymore? Like how like
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the minute the baby comes out, as all like how's
the baby? How's the baby, It's like, the baby's fine,
Like I'm not now, like I know I haven't slept
for months. Um, But yeah, it was. It's interesting because
like my pregnancies were different. With my son, I did
have that, like I always being a mom was like
the only thing I was ever sure of in my
whole life. So like when I got pregnant and I
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was so excited and I feel like I really like
enjoyed that experience more. I also wasn't as sick like
when I had so lay, I was like it was
a pandemic. I had girls make you more sick. I
don't care what they say, they just do. Like my
I was so sick for such a long time. Um,
and then I end up having that like postpartum or
the perinatal they call it when it's during pregnancy anxiety.
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So there was it was just a different experience. Every
baby is so different. And I don't want to scare you.
A lot of people. A lot of people just love
the whole they I mean, I follow girls on Instagram
who are like have nine children, like that's somewhere like
in Costa Rica jungle and they're like breastfeeding all six
of them. I don't know. People are made for all
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sorts different. Yeah, do you have like one wellness practice
that like you could recommend to people listening or like
one thing that you think whether it's through like your
pregnancy journey or post or before whatever it is that
you like stuck to throughout the years that it's really helped. Yeah.
I for me, I really like to listen to Everybody
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learns in a different way, but I really like to
listen to audio books and like I have like a
whole like I guess you could call it self help repertoire,
but um, on my website, I'm gonna I'm gonna have
like a little book club of all just all of
my favorite books that have like really helped me throughout
the year. Will you please send me a list of
these because I just got into self help books, Like
I'm really into the self improvement ones, but I don't know,
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I've only read like a few. Have you seen have
you read dear self. No, I don't know that one.
It's almost some of my favorite are like, um uh,
what happy people know the untethered soul. You have to
be like really in like a I don't know. You
have to be in a place sometimes it's like when
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you're in the worst places, like the time when you're
when you're like open to reading really taking them in.
But that was great. The power of now is like
a great one that a lot of people know. Um uh,
there's there's so many if you're into more of like
a spiritual um like if you have a little bit
of a spiritual edge to you. There's a book called
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The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton, which is so good,
and it's basically just talks all about how like from
the ages of zero to eight, our brains are in
something called like braative beta way of brain state where
it's like basically like you're in a meditative state and
everything that's like shown to you is you take in
as true. So basically you're being just downloaded during that
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whole time, and like the work of the rest of
our life is to kind of like undo the things
that are well intentioned parents or you know, the society
told us that we were and that we aren't, And
so I'm really interested in all of that, like unpacking things.
So I like to I like to read and listen
to books. I can't really read because I can't focused.
I'd like to audio. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I
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feel like that's like the one because I feel like,
right now I'm like in the darkest place I've ever
been in, like just like mentally, like yeah, just like
which you would never know, which is the crazy thing
about social media, Like you would never know what somebody
is like going through behind, but they're not posting basically,
And I don't post about it or talk about it
really because I'm like, I don't want to like a
(41:59):
pistol are people off that, Like I'm yearning out of
all people, and like I don't know, I just I
don't want to make anybody else like sad. But I
just like that's when I really started getting into like
all these self improvement books, and I feel like it
does actually really help. So if anybody's going through something
like it helps you cut the way you talk about
like even just you being like I feel bad for myself,
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like out of all people, like you're you have the
right to be to feel upset, and you have the
right to feel like a bit just because you have
came from like a family that was famous and whatever.
It's like, that doesn't give anybody any less of a
right to have feelings about about it, just to feel bad,
you know. So I know, I just think like nowadays
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with like current social media, like like some people you're
just not allowed to be upset, or at least that's
like you're pretty no, no, no, you don't get to
be upset. Yeah, Like there's just certain things that are
like which I see, I see all perspectives, but I
can't help but just think like, no, that's of course,
it's our job to do the best we can for
all the things that are happening out there. But you
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need to be like, if we're not first worrying about
like our own mental health, then we're not going to
be a service to anybody, you know, We're not gonna
be able to be capable of it. So I just, yeah,
I know that's the whole I'm gonna say the wrong
thing and get canceled again. So you literally can't get
(43:27):
canceled when you're on the call. Next to me like
I will make you look so much better every time.
But we'll end on that note. Thank you so much
for coming on the podcast. I really enjoyed this conversation. Honestly,
you're super easy to talk to. Thank you. Um yeah,
thanks so much and this was so much fun. And
I will totally send you that list of books please,
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and if you ever want to come back, once you
and your sisters and you guys launch all that stuff,
you guys always have a space, I'll talk about it stuff.
I want to be the first to note absolutely, thank
you so much. Go get your crying baby, bye bye.
Thank you
This is Conversationous with Olivia Jade in My Heart Radio podcast.
Hello everybody, it's Olivia Jade. Welcome back to another episode
of Conversations Today. I have a special guest and it
is the lovely miss Aurora Cupo. And you guys might
be familiar with her through Instagram. I know that I've
(00:23):
seen her Instagram a bunch. She's a mom of two
and I just want to hear her story. You might
be familiar with some of her family members, and I
want you guys to get to know her specifically. So
with that all being said, please welcome Alora. Hello, thank
you so much for coming on the podcast. I'm so
excited to have you. Thank you for having me. Course,
(00:45):
So do you want to like just kind of intro
yourself a little bit. I know you're from Rhode Island.
I did my research a little bit, and you have
two babies, right have two babies. One of them is
currently screaming in her crib, and I like have like
that like mom guilt in my heart right now. But
it's good for her to like learn how to put
herself to sleep. She should know how to do that.
She's just eighteen months now. But anyway. Yeah, so this
(01:07):
question is so funny because it's like I was I
feel like I practiced this question of like who are
you and it's like, oh my god, how much time
do you have? Like so like so originally I am
from Rhode Island. I was in UM the education industry
for a long time. I have master's degree in early
childhood education. I was a teacher that I worked with
(01:28):
kids with autism. UM. I was a behavior analyst, so
I learned a lot about how to like shape behavior,
which is funny because now I'm a mom of two
kids and like, I use none of that. I don't
ever apply anything that I've learned, and I know to
be true UM with my own kids. You know, like
they scream and I give them a lollipop, Like you
don't do that. But sometimes it's just like survival. But um. Yeah,
(01:53):
so I moved to UM. I moved to l A
because I met my husband and now we have two kids,
and I kind of like fell into this UM this
like influencer role that I don't know. I'm like still
kind of embarrassed you, like I'm an influencer. I feel
like it's gotten a bad rap even though I do
feel like there's something I really enjoy connecting with people.
(02:16):
And I tend to be a little like t M
I about mom life and mental health and I'm a
wellness guru, but I'm also like a complete yo yo
where I'll just like party hard and then be like
I'm only drinking green juice, you know that last three days.
But but so yeah, there's a lot of there's a
lot of characters I've played. I was a yoga instructor,
(02:39):
I'm into meditation. I read that online. I was like,
because you know, you never know what you're reading if
it's true or not. And I saw that said something
about fitness and how you're really into yoga, and I
was like writing it down, I was like, I wonder
if this is even true. If I'm gonna ask this
question just because like is it true now? Now? I
do you. I still do yoga all the time, and
I find it to be one of the things that
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really grounds me in my life, um you know, crazy times,
and especially you know, like just making yourself vulnerable to
all the opinions of other people on the internet, like
that you need to really have not even have thick skin,
but just like have a heightened sense of like awareness
of like your own worth. And so for me, like
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my grounding is is really like physical, like I I
go to yoga, I do my workouts. Um, but I
also have two sisters and I'm super close with and
we do a lot of um work together. Like we
have a lot of exciting things coming up that I've
been I'm not allowed to talk about right now, which
is like my management is like always nervous getting me
on podcasts because well, I'm just like I am, I'm
(03:45):
like t M I but but yeah, so so we're creating.
We have a lot of things going on together as sisters.
But then individually, I'm I'm starting a website. Um, I'm
a writer, so I'm writing a lot about just like
basically mom acts, personal struggles with like postpartum anxiety and
depression and things. Just I don't like to call myself
(04:08):
an expert in anything, but I'm I'm an expert in
being honest and sharing personal experiences, which I feel like
helps so much more than you even realize. Because for
me too, it's like all like be on this podcast
and have certain guests and then I walk away, or
if a YouTube video goes up and I'm like, is
that boring to people? Even like that? And then the
response of you just being like open and honest can help,
(04:29):
even if it's just a few young girls or moms
going through something similar or something like that. It's like
it's crazy how much of an impact it can actually
have and you don't even realize it. I know. It's
like I think I'm a little like hard on myself
and like just like that question like who are you
and what do you do? I'm like, what do I say?
(04:50):
Like what do you am? I what do I do?
Like a lot of people, it's easy for them because
it's like I'm like, I'm a talent manager. I mean this,
I mean that. But it's like when you kind of
wear a lot of different hats and you and your
thing is just being open and being like like a
source for other people to kind of like to learn
from your mistakes and things you've done. Like doesn't really
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have a title, like not traditional, especially now with social media,
it's like so normal, Like to me, I think of
it like influencers, like a category. Obviously, I agree, I
think that word has been I think not even just
like I don't think it's bad. I just think it's
overused to the point where it's like what are you influencing?
I guess, and like what's your purpose? And then it
(05:33):
is it just to like I was talking about this
with somebody recently, I'm like, I love I love what
I do and I started my YouTube when I was
so young and I enjoy it so much. But also
it's like there's a level of embarrassment now where I'm like,
am I just do people just think I'm doing this
because I want like followers in an easy job? Or
do people see that this is something I'm passionate about, right,
(05:53):
But like like, oh you it sounds it seems like
you're doing this for attention, Like that's something like I've
heard before two or like you know I've gotten in
my d M s And it's like, yeah, you do.
Like as a human being, like we seek connection with
other people who seek to be seen and to be
like heard and validated, and especially if like you feel
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like earlier in your life and your childhood, maybe weren't
always seen for who you were. Like to have a platform,
to be able to to be to see yourself, to
have other people see themselves in you, and to feel
like you've made a positive impact on people. I feel
like that's like it's been hugely like healing for me
in a lot of ways. And also it's been a
(06:36):
huge growth experience. Like what I've learned is like you
don't need to be an expert in order to like
speak on a topic. You know, so and do you
think like because you're both your sisters. I know Olivia
just from like years of just like going out and
seeing her around and she's lovelier. And then you have
another sister too, So yeah, is that correct? Do they?
(06:57):
I know Olivia influences or whatever we're want to call it,
but not like you to call her that. Wait, yeah,
I take it back, Olivia. I'm so sorry. But does
Sophia also do Instagram and that whole vibe? She's funny,
Like we we make fun of her all the time
because she kind of like she went to she has
(07:20):
a degree for Boston University in nutrition and public health,
and then she kind of was like, you know, I
don't know, I don't know what your experience was like
after you after college or whatever, but when for me
it was like you you think you're going to graduate
and get like a great jobs, like no, you're living
in Squalor. For a lot of that was my experience.
(07:42):
You're just like trying to figure out what you want
to do, and you're just like still heavily relying on
my parents. At least I was. But for Sophie, we
make fun of her because she like she literally walked
out of college and then was like, oh, I'm gonna
go live with Olivia. Actually, like she's got a good
thing going on over there. She's just like completely writing
out her coattails. But it's like work smart, you have
(08:04):
to do you do you You take advantage of the
cards that you have that you're dealt and if you don't,
then you're stupid, you know. And it's not like it's
been easy for her. It's like just as hard to
try to make something for yourself when you feel like
you have something already set in stone, like for for
for me and Sophie, it's been a little bit like
(08:25):
of a an interesting situation because Olivia has been established
and she's done a lot, you know, like cover Sports,
Illustrated all that, and it's like I hate when people
are like, oh, you're Olivia's sister, right, It's like, no, actually,
she's my sister. I'm older and she is the way
she is. That's how my sister feels to like exactly,
if anybody ever says to my sister if we're out
(08:47):
of like an event or a party, like oh you're
Olivia's ironically same name, but like, oh you're Olivia's sister,
She's like, my name is Bella and it's really nice
to meet you. But I relate to that too, just
having like a mom that's an actress, like growing up
and every every thing that's ever written about me or whatever.
It's like Lorie Laughlin's daughter, which I get, which is
a fact, sure, but also it's like you do want
to be recognized for your own, your own thing and
(09:10):
like being your own person. I thought it was so
interesting too. I was justin, this is so random. But
I was just in Paris for fashion week and I
was at a party and somebody introduced their friend and
the person they were introducing me to has a very
famous dad, and they were like, this is so and
so son, and I literally looked at them and I
was like, what's his name? Like why do you like that?
(09:34):
If somebody did that to me, I know, And the
thing is it's like, yes, we've all gotten. Everybody who's
created any success for themselves has had certain strikes of
luck or like a leg up in one way, and
it's like you either hop on that opportunity and create
something for yourself out of it, or you can be like, oh,
(09:56):
you know that's you can shy away from it and
like either you there is fine. But I just I
have a problem with people being like, oh, she's only
she's only she only has followers because of her sister,
or she on her parents are famous, that's why she
like blah blah blah, because it's like, if you haven't noticed,
not all famous people have like famous siblings or not
(10:19):
everybody whose parents are famous like they've made something out
of that. A lot of people actually have. It's, if anything,
it's been like a hindrance to them because they don't
really even know like how to create something for themselves
because they feel like they only can think of the
mold that was already set for them. Yeah, yeah, I
really see what you're saying. It's interesting too, because it's
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such a touchy subject because you don't want to, like,
at least for me, I get nervous talking about anything
to do with that, because I'm like, I don't want
people to think that I'm not recognizing that I definitely
was born in a life where I'm already like a
thousand steps in front. I can recognize that. But then
it's like when people go on to say kind of
what we're talking about just or anything in that realm,
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I'm like, I almost feel like it d like devalues
what I've like tried to build by myself when I
was like a young kid fourteen starting a YouTube. And
it's like I get it, Like I definitely have immense
privilege that's like taking me very far. But also it's
not It's like it took work. It's not just because
I was born. And there's a difference between like recognizing
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that and its value and and and using it as
a way to like further your own ambitions. And then
and then you know, on the flip side, you could
be like ashamed of it or or you could like
feeling shame about anything is just not productive and it's
not helpful to anybody. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm on
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your wavelength with that. Yeah, for sure, are you the
oldest of all siblings? Are just the girls I'm the
oldest girl. But we have five in our family and
um and where it's an Italian family, it's so like
if you know any I think you're Italians. Yeah, so
it's like the but you only have a sister, so
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you don't have brothers. You do have a brother. See
this is what happens. Like I only knew about you
and your sister and I also have like other siblings too,
But it's like we're the only ones who have taken
advantage of this kind of life because this is like
what we wanted to do. Not everybody wants to do that.
Like my brothers are musicians. They're super talented, but they're
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not really interested in like putting their life on the
internet for people to be like say anything they wanted about,
Like not everybody. He's super private. Yeah. Well, I don't
know if you have the same dynamic in your family.
But in my family, the girl is like the is
in charge, Like she it's responsible for everybody, and like
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we're the connectors, Like we're the ones being the Thanksgiving plans.
We're the ones like making sure everybody's doing what they
should be doing, getting mom a Valentine. My brothers are
just like so basically, long story short, I do feel
like I'm the oldest brother and you're really you're working
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on stuff with your sisters. Obviously you just said you
can't go into that, but I grew up with a
sister that's really close in age, and I'm super super
close with What was that like growing up for you guys?
And then who was like the first to get into
what category? Like give me a little give me a
little tea on the family. It's a funny. It's a
really funny story. Um we So Olivia started modeling in
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college and then she like randomly, um uh, tried out
for MS Rhode Island. And my family is like, they're
classical musicians, like they're kind of like, I mean, they're
gonna be Madmie for sing this, but like elitists, like
they just you know, they're like, oh no, just pageants
were cheesy to them, Like like my parents. My mom
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was mortified. So she tried out. She ended up winning it,
and then she ended up winning Miss USA, and then
she ended up um winning um Miss Universe, and we
were all kind of like, uh, what like just happened here?
So that was a world win for my family, but
for me personally. It was like, you know, I was
still I was like getting my master's degree, and I
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was not making any money. I was living at home
with my parents. I just gotten out of a bad relationship,
and here's my sister like crushing it at life, like
three years younger than me. And and you know, it
took like a few years of our relationship just like
going through trials where like I was having to really learn,
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like not to compare where I am in life to
where she is in life, and not to compare like
each of our vale use based on like like there
was a time I'd be like, well, that's stupid. I
don't even like she's she's oh she's promoting like lipstick
on Instagram. I don't care, like I'm saving, I'm doing
God's work over here, you know. And then and then
and and then, like our dynamic changed a lot, and
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I started to realize that I don't know if our
dynamic change or that if I just realized that, like
it doesn't feel good to feel like someone else's gain
is like you're lost, you know. And when it comes
to shove, like there's nobody in the world that I
would rather have something amazing, like that happened to and
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then my sister like, what would I prefer somebody else
to have one? No? And yes, she did win those
three competitions, and that definitely gave her a leg up,
which you could say is lucky. You could be like, oh,
well she was born with a pretty face, or she
heard her question well or something. But what it really
comes down to is that she manifested it for herself.
She believed in it for herself, and she works really
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hard to this day. She's like one of those people
who like does the work. She actually just recommends a
book to me called do the Work. I think it's
like an audible book. Um, but she's the person who's
journaling every day, and it's like and looking at at
old journals from years ago seeing that like what she
wrote then has like come true for her, you know,
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big and manifesting. I think that's huge, honestly, Like I
know that. I know for some people they think that's
absolute craziness. And I've been trying to journal like a
little bit more, just write down like goals. A friend
of mine gave me this notebook recently that like is
all lined out for you and then you write and
like this is what I want to do this year,
and then you go back at the end of the
year and I probably haven't. I'm just trying to do
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all of it, but I'm just like I lack motivation
in it because I'm like does this even work? Like
what's going on? And you're like fighting with yourself to
try and get it done. But once you do it,
it actually just feels really good to like sometimes just
like vent on a piece of paper and just like
let everything out. And then also I do think that like,
like I remember when I was really really young, like
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probably seventeen or eighteen, there was a big chalkboard in
my house and I had written like the letters s
C on it and it was for Sephora Collection, and
I like really wanted to like I had been working
with them like a little bit when I was younger.
And then I remember like a year later, it was
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like somebody had erase the chalkboard, but it was like
very faded out, and I was walking down the stairs
to go to school one day and I had gotten
a call from my agent like Sephora p how it
wants to do or Sapphora Collection wants to a pallette
with you and I was walking down the stairs, I
got this call like looking at the faded like sc mark,
and I was like, that's so weird. So I do
believe it in a sense, yeah totally. And like while
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you and I might not be like the journaling type,
even though like I don't know, I do feel like
I need to try that out. I'm just like, for
some reason, I can't get myself to do that. But
even like doing something like this, like a podcast and
just like speaking about things and like just like it's
kind of like your any different you know, like you're
you're talking about different subjects. You're talking about what you hope,
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your hopes and your dreams and all that, and just
like the words we speak and putting them out into
the universe, I also feel or just they have a
very very powerful myself being like, oh I don't know
I am. It's like no, I know, yeah, everything you're
just speaking into like the way you talk about yourself,
it does go really far. But I'm the same because
even when people ask like what do you do, I'm like,
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what do I do? And then if I tell you
what I do, it's going to sound really lame because
I feel myself in my bedroom by myself talking and
it's like super super lame. Um. But anyway, you're in
like full mom mode on Instagram too, Like is that
what the main content is that, like your main type
of content you produce or yeah, I mean it definitely.
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That's kind of how I accidentally fell into the influencer
world because I had I had my son and I
was just like holy, like nobody talks about this, Like
is anybody else like not able to sit down after
you give birth? Like what are hemorrhoids? What are like
all these things that people are like, you know, just
like embarrassed to talk about. And like I've kind of
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marketed myself as that person that's like approachable and we'll
tell the truth. And and that has been like a
double edged sword for me because I'm the person who
is like in my d M s responding to everybody
getting myself into trouble. Like I'm like, I'm surprised to
let me do a podcast without my sisters because they'll
usually be like kicking me under the table to be
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like shut up say that word, like you're gonna get
you're gonna get canceled. I'm always like on the verge
of getting cans. I would never let you get canceled
from me. It sucks. I won't let anybody next to
me or around me get canceled. I've had a lot
of experience being kind of unfiltered on Instagram and it's
it's gotten me in trouble um just because uh, I'm
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a little impulsive with the way I talk. I respond
to basically all I'm like, you know, I'm in a
fight with Tim from Ohio that I've never like, why
do you read? You're like just don't answer them, and
I'm just like I've got to get talk to like
I need to talk to this person. And because you're human, yeah,
I know I need to be better about that. But
what when when my manager was like, do you wanna
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do you want to go on Olivia Jade's podcast, And
I was like, I would love too, because I feel
like what i've from what I've seen from you is
like such a resilient person, like not everybody like I've
I was like doing my research and like you know,
I'll see I'll see like just trolls like saying just
stupid things, and it's like it takes everything in me
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not to respond to them, but it's like the fact
that you're able to rebuild after like people have just
said such horrible, stupid things. It's like not everybody has that,
like and that is something that has nothing to do
with like coming from famous parents. That's like something that
that's like grit, that's like an internal strength that not
everybody has. Thank you so much for saying that. I
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really appreciate it. I feel like it's so much like
for me too. It's I like try and put on
like a like a brave front, you know, or like
a strong not even brave, but just like a strong
friend of like oh yeah, I'm unbothered by this or whatever.
But it is so true, like kind of what you're saying.
When you want to respond to all those trolls and
haters or people that just don't know you, I want
to say something that's like intentionally gonna make you upset.
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It's so hard sometimes to like really just ignore it
because also I'm like I don't know much about signs,
but apparently this is what I've been told because I'm
a libra that you want everyone to like you, which
I think is a really true thing about me. It's
like I always I'm like, like my sister is complete opposite,
Like she's so fine if nobody like with her, she
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doesn't care. She's like I'm my own person, Like she's
uniquely sarcastic, She's just her own vibe. And for me,
I'm like always trying to people please and I want
people to like me, and if somebody doesn't like me,
then I want convince you to like me. So it's
like such a test the last few years of obviously
feeling so hated by like literally everybody, that I was like,
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this is just not, this is not I don't think
this is meant for my brain, Like I I need
people to like me. And the fact that I feel
so misunderstood by so many people, and like the media
and the way that they can like twist things and
all this stuff is just so crazy. Like I'm glad
that to the outside it seems like I'm resilient, but
it's like in my I'm a firm believer to that,
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like you're never given anything that you can't handle, and
like all the situations that have happened to all of us,
like like there their opportunities for us to like evolve
as people and to like become better versions of ourselves.
And you can either take that opportunity to like go
in one direction and not make any progress, or you
can take it out the opportunity to to grow and evolve.
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And it sounds like you were the perfect person for
that to happen to, because not everybody would be able
to recover, for um, like just any hate you know,
from it's really hard to to read things and and
that are just not true and not feel the need,
you know, and just be like I'm not going to
defend myself because it's just not it's not even worth it.
And people just people want to What I've learned is
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that like people just want to they want to think
what they want to think. So like for me, my
thing is like I don't need people to like me,
but I want to be right and I want you
to know that I'm right. So that but like you
don't you know, you're not gonna win. It's a losing battle.
So and it's also like the people that are saying
all that, it's like, okay, but you personally don't even
know me, so go off like say what you're gonna say,
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but you've never met me, So until you meet me
then make a fair judgment. That's like what I always say.
I'm like, if you meet me and you don't like
me genuinely, Like if we talk for a while and
this girl is a bit, I'm like, Okay, then you
can think I'm a bit, that's fine. But if you're
just seeing like little things online, like you can't you
can't judge me just for that, like you don't even know.
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But I also think is just another random topic. But
I also feel like, and then we can get back
to you and like details about your life, but you're
just very I feel like you're very understanding of all this,
and it's interesting to hear another person's perspective. But I
also feel like what's interesting about like trolls or internet
hate or just being on social media in general. It's like, hey,
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it never feels good for anybody to have like a
mean comment, Like everybody's human. You don't want to see
that anyway. But I think that people forget that, like
the people that they're talking to, these influencers or anybody
that's in some world of like fame or public like attention,
is like they're also human beings. And I feel like
people genuinely forget that, like the mental toll it can
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take on a person when you are that negative constantly
towards them, or it's like one thing like I saw
my friend who's like in the midst of like being
quote unquote canceled right now, and he like came out
and said his side of things, and then I see
all the comments that are like why why, like why
is he making this about himself? Like how do we
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make this about himself? And I'm sitting there and I'm
like I get what the comments are saying too, but
also like do you not realize like when you've canceled
somebody that much and it's that public and you're constantly
writing negative, negative things like of course it's about them now,
Like that takes a mental toll. What you're crazy to
think they're sitting like that's not making it about themselves.
That's being a human with emotions and reacting to something
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where hundreds of thousands of people are telling you who
you are right now. That's like survival, that's like fight
or flight. Like we are wired for connection. We're wired
for like literally our biology wants to be accepted in
the clan because otherwise, like we're not you don't survive
as a solitary person like in our you know, going
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back to the caveman times. So it's, yeah, it is
all about us because it feels like life or death
when you're being like cut out, when you're being canceled.
Um but I but I think the best thing like
that that I feel like you're exemplifying for people, for
all the people that are continuing to be canceled, is
that like the best way to just like win when
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those people is just keep showing up. Like here you
are with like a successful podcast. Here you are like
still showing up, doing your makeup, doing your camera in
front of you, and it's like it's like they didn't
they didn't win. So that's like very inspiring. Yeah. I
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read also that you were pregnant during COVID. True or false,
Like in the midst of the pandemic, I was pregnant
during COVID. That was how was your mental health and
like how did you keep yourself in check? Yeah? So
I I had I had an experience after I had
my son that I started having catastrophic anxiety and I
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didn't even really know what it was. Um, but I
realized I realized now that it was like it almost
felt more like a superpower, Like I could walk into
a room and identify like every exit, every potential threat,
every hot coffee, every like person that looks weird, every
because like I was just like hyper vigilant over my
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son and I was really afraid that he was going
to like some like a smother in his sleep. And
you hear these horrible stories things happened to kids, and
like I feel like Netflix was always telling me to
watch like documentaries about horrible things happens to kids, and
I just felt like after a while, I was like,
this doesn't feel this can't be right, Like this is debilitating,
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and like to my husband, it seemed like I was
just being like an overprotective mom or like nurturing and
it's almost like it was almost like, oh, you're like
you're like too good of a mom. But it's like
that's actually like that's what they call it, but it's actually, uh,
it's like it's it's postpartum. It's not really depression. It
leads to depression because it's anxiety. So I ended up
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going actually um on Zoloft for a little while, and
it like turned my world around and and made made
me realize that what I was feeling was not normal,
not helpful, and and I felt great. Um, so that
really worked for me. And like I come from a
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family of like my dad's like has run fifteen marathons,
Like if you're feeling down, like he's like, go run. Yeah,
Like exercise does help, but like to a certain extent,
I think, especially when you're dealing with like the hormones
of after birth and all that. So anyway, so that
was with my son, and then when when um, a
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year later, I wanted to have another baby and I
didn't want to be on any medication for that, so
I weaned off and it was fun, and I got pregnant,
the pandemic hit and I'm just like like halfway through
my pregnancy, I started feeling like the same things, like
I started the same kind of like just like intrusive
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thoughts of like of just like bad things happening. They
were like I remember I watched something on the news
and like the story was like sat on my chest
for like weeks, like I couldn't shake it, you know,
It's like I just kept thinking about it was so
sad um and so I had to make a really
hard decision about whether to go back on zoloft during
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my pregnancy. And that's like there's not a lot of
studies around um like taking medication while pregnant, because you know,
ethnically they can't really do that. They can't use pregnant
women on trial for like a trial um study. So
and then there's like a there's like a some percent
chance that they could be born with autism, or then
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there's but I knew I was having a girl. I
know the autism is much less common in girls. And
so I had to make the really hard decision to
go back on it because it was either like what's
going to be worse for this baby, like being depressed
and anxious and possibly like going into early labor or
going on this medication. And so I went on it.
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I started feeling good again and I and it like
worked perfectly, and we're I know, we were talking about
science before um and the craziest thing like happened. She
was she was like it was like eight months. I
still had another month until she was born. And it
was the middle of the night and I just woke
up and I had this like I was like something
that's not right, Like I just had like a feeling
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like in my gut. She she was like, I didn't
have any pain, there was no bleeding, nothing, But I
was like, I'm just gonna drive myself to the hospital
because like I didn't want to go during the day
because it was the height of COVID and I didn't
remember during COVID, like you never wanted to go to
the doctor. He's never wanted to be around. Like I
barely get in ye right was the lines and everything.
So I was like, I'll just go now because I
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couldn't sleep, and um to get in my car and
I go and they hooked me up and they're like
we need to get this baby out of you right now.
She can't breathe. And they were like, how did you
know to come in. I was like I literally don't know.
I just like drove myself here, Like I remember on
the way they're being like you're such a weirdo, like
you're driving by myself. Didn't even tell my husband I
was leaving. I just got in the car and went
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and I was like they're gonna be like this lady's psychotic.
She needs to go home. Oh my gosh, that's like
mom intuition yeah, it was crazy, And so I labored
for her and and we labor and labor, and she
kind of come out and they were like, we should
just do a c section before, like something bad can happen,
and and we end up doing a c section and
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she was completely wrapped in her cord, like from the
neck down, and they were like, she didn't come in today,
she would not have made it. Yeah, so that's like,
that's like my I like have chills now even telling
this story because I I on pent believe now, just
in like, do you have a gut feeling that, like
with no evidence about it, just something in the gut
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feeling like you need you should act on it. I
feel like our bodies know almost before our brains do sometimes,
like what's happening. Yeah, my mom always told me growing up,
when you have like a like your intuition or gut instinct,
that's like your angels talking. She's like pretty religious, so
I think that that's like her her thing, but always
talking about angels too, and I'm like, I don't, I
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don't know. I don't think of those in that in
that like conceptual kind of term. But I also grew
up Catholic, so yeah, me too, But I do think
that's that's really crazy. So you had her, you had
her with a C section. I had her c section
a month early. UM. And then how did you feel
after that? I? Well, I was on the zoloft from
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me pregnant, so I felt it was it was just
a much easier transition. It was much smoother UM and
and I weaned off of it after that, and like,
my I don't know, like I haven't been having like
any anxiety, any symptoms, thank God, knock on wood. But
everybody's like, why would you go off? Like what's the
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big deal? Like just maybe you're just someone who needs
to like be on that forever. And and there's just
something in me that's like I just don't want to
have to be on something forever. Just feels very like
I don't know that it just it. I would rather not,
but I'm not opposed to it. Like if those feelings
start coming back, I know that that for me, like
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I have no qualms about like going back on it.
And I don't think it means that you're a weak person.
I think it. Yeah, I think it means that you know,
like when something is chemically off, and that you can
identify it as like separate from yourself. And I feel
like there's also like so much you can do like
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on your own and like homeopathically or whatever. Certain people
believe even that are kind of deterred from like standard medication.
But there's also like truly there's only so much you
can do if you have a chemical imbalance or something.
That's like with my somebody that I used to be
very close, but they were always super ashamed of being
on medication, and I would always tell them, I'm like,
this is nothing to be ashamed about. Like, if anything,
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this is kind of a blessing. You found something that worked,
like otherwise you can just live in like speaking of
um wellness though, I know on your Instagram you have
a segment like wellness Wednesdays. Oh my god, yesterday's Wednesday,
And I like, what's the segment Caroline to yell at
me that I haven't done yet? Um, So I've been
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getting these um these ad I v s. Have you
have you heard of them? An A D I like
don't even know it's this really long? Is an amino?
Basically it's approachein that your body makes for you already,
but it's supposed to be like anti aging, anti um inflammatory.
It's supposed to kind of help your body heal fast
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her And it's this ivy that I've been getting through
this company called reset ivy um and and and I
think it's been helping me. I mean, like my sleep
has been feeling better. I don't know, have you Have
you gotten I vs as like a I have when
I'm like hungover. Yeah I know, I know, and every
single time I get them if I'm hungover, which has
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been like too many times. But I just feel like
it doesn't really work for I agree. Wait, I agree.
I'm the only person that says that I'm like, this
doesn't do I still feel terrible right. And I had
a nurse tell me once that she's like, well, like
you could also just drink the water, like you don't
have to get it right. It's like, yeah, it'll hydraate
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you if they give you some zoo fran that's the
like anti no me, dan, you'll feel better, But like
nothing's gonna make up for like the lack of sleep
that you got, you know. So and yeah, um yeah,
oh my god, I need to find a hangout. Like
somebody whoever may create a pill is going to be
so rich. I need to get on that. Like so rich,
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I wouldn't a musk made like a hangover charging station
or something you should? I mean, honestly, if you're that
smart and you can make that many other things like
how hard is it to figure out how to cure
a hangover in a pill? I always think about that,
But then I'm like, well, clearly, if it was easy,
it would have been done. Yeah, or we could just
stop drinking. But that just doesn't seem realistic at all. No, No,
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I don't think I tried that. There was a while.
There was a while where I was like, I actually
don't drink anymore. I like told everybody hard when you're pregnant,
like the nine months of sobriety, it it definitely. It
definitely highlights for you what your crutches are when you're
not allowed to use them anymore, and we eat like
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I Well, it was also a pandemic. Okay, people were drinking.
Remember how much everybody drink. Everybody's making like banana bread
and drinking, making bread and drinking. That's literally all the
Remember everybody had like a sour dough starter. Yes, I
don't care, Like can somebody give me a bottle of wine.
But yeah, I know that it definitely was hard the whole.
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It was like for me, pregnancy felt like being trapped
in your body, and then like I was also trapped
in a pandemic, and it was just like there was
a lot of feelings of being trapped. I was like,
my whole I can't even imagine that too, because I
know so many people can relate to just the pandemic
in general, just being like absolutely terrible, feeling super locked away,
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like no social connection. On top of that, being pregnant,
which kind of as you're talking about, like I feel
like everybody glorifies pregnancy obviously. I'm I'm still in my
early twenties, like not a thought in my brain about
having children anytime soon. But I'm like when I do,
I don't know anything about pregnancy except that like you
looked cute with a big belly, and you can wear
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like really cute tight dresses and you don't have to
worry about being bloated because you're pregnant. Like that's people
treat you very well, Like people treat you like you're
like a walking miracle, like and do you have the
baby and then you're like not pregnant anymore. Like you
noticed a shift in like how people treat and you're like, like,
am I not a walking miracle anymore? Like how like
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the minute the baby comes out, as all like how's
the baby? How's the baby, It's like, the baby's fine,
Like I'm not now, like I know I haven't slept
for months. Um, But yeah, it was. It's interesting because
like my pregnancies were different. With my son, I did
have that, like I always being a mom was like
the only thing I was ever sure of in my
whole life. So like when I got pregnant and I
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was so excited and I feel like I really like
enjoyed that experience more. I also wasn't as sick like
when I had so lay, I was like it was
a pandemic. I had girls make you more sick. I
don't care what they say, they just do. Like my
I was so sick for such a long time. Um,
and then I end up having that like postpartum or
the perinatal they call it when it's during pregnancy anxiety.
(39:08):
So there was it was just a different experience. Every
baby is so different. And I don't want to scare you.
A lot of people. A lot of people just love
the whole they I mean, I follow girls on Instagram
who are like have nine children, like that's somewhere like
in Costa Rica jungle and they're like breastfeeding all six
of them. I don't know. People are made for all
(39:29):
sorts different. Yeah, do you have like one wellness practice
that like you could recommend to people listening or like
one thing that you think whether it's through like your
pregnancy journey or post or before whatever it is that
you like stuck to throughout the years that it's really helped. Yeah.
I for me, I really like to listen to Everybody
(39:50):
learns in a different way, but I really like to
listen to audio books and like I have like a
whole like I guess you could call it self help repertoire,
but um, on my website, I'm gonna I'm gonna have
like a little book club of all just all of
my favorite books that have like really helped me throughout
the year. Will you please send me a list of
these because I just got into self help books, Like
I'm really into the self improvement ones, but I don't know,
(40:12):
I've only read like a few. Have you seen have
you read dear self. No, I don't know that one.
It's almost some of my favorite are like, um uh,
what happy people know the untethered soul. You have to
be like really in like a I don't know. You
have to be in a place sometimes it's like when
(40:34):
you're in the worst places, like the time when you're
when you're like open to reading really taking them in.
But that was great. The power of now is like
a great one that a lot of people know. Um uh,
there's there's so many if you're into more of like
a spiritual um like if you have a little bit
of a spiritual edge to you. There's a book called
(40:55):
The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton, which is so good,
and it's basically just talks all about how like from
the ages of zero to eight, our brains are in
something called like braative beta way of brain state where
it's like basically like you're in a meditative state and
everything that's like shown to you is you take in
as true. So basically you're being just downloaded during that
(41:17):
whole time, and like the work of the rest of
our life is to kind of like undo the things
that are well intentioned parents or you know, the society
told us that we were and that we aren't, And
so I'm really interested in all of that, like unpacking things.
So I like to I like to read and listen
to books. I can't really read because I can't focused.
I'd like to audio. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I
(41:39):
feel like that's like the one because I feel like,
right now I'm like in the darkest place I've ever
been in, like just like mentally, like yeah, just like
which you would never know, which is the crazy thing
about social media, Like you would never know what somebody
is like going through behind, but they're not posting basically,
And I don't post about it or talk about it
really because I'm like, I don't want to like a
(41:59):
pistol are people off that, Like I'm yearning out of
all people, and like I don't know, I just I
don't want to make anybody else like sad. But I
just like that's when I really started getting into like
all these self improvement books, and I feel like it
does actually really help. So if anybody's going through something
like it helps you cut the way you talk about
like even just you being like I feel bad for myself,
(42:22):
like out of all people, like you're you have the
right to be to feel upset, and you have the
right to feel like a bit just because you have
came from like a family that was famous and whatever.
It's like, that doesn't give anybody any less of a
right to have feelings about about it, just to feel bad,
you know. So I know, I just think like nowadays
(42:44):
with like current social media, like like some people you're
just not allowed to be upset, or at least that's
like you're pretty no, no, no, you don't get to
be upset. Yeah, Like there's just certain things that are
like which I see, I see all perspectives, but I
can't help but just think like, no, that's of course,
it's our job to do the best we can for
all the things that are happening out there. But you
(43:06):
need to be like, if we're not first worrying about
like our own mental health, then we're not going to
be a service to anybody, you know, We're not gonna
be able to be capable of it. So I just, yeah,
I know that's the whole I'm gonna say the wrong
thing and get canceled again. So you literally can't get
(43:27):
canceled when you're on the call. Next to me like
I will make you look so much better every time.
But we'll end on that note. Thank you so much
for coming on the podcast. I really enjoyed this conversation. Honestly,
you're super easy to talk to. Thank you. Um yeah,
thanks so much and this was so much fun. And
I will totally send you that list of books please,
(43:48):
and if you ever want to come back, once you
and your sisters and you guys launch all that stuff,
you guys always have a space, I'll talk about it stuff.
I want to be the first to note absolutely, thank
you so much. Go get your crying baby, bye bye.
Thank you
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