June 4, 2024 • 35 mins
Lil Duval sits down with rap crunkstar Duke Deuce to talk the origins of the crunk dance style and its influence on their careers, family dynamics, personal growth, the challenges of the music industry and staying true to oneself. They also delve into the challenges of raising children in the entertainment industry, the importance of credit education, the significance of maintaining individuality in a competitive industry. The conversation also explores the concept of preparing for the future and the pursuit of peace and fulfillment in life and more. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a little Duval and this is Conversations with the podcast.
Today's guest is the King of Crumple's welcome my man,
Duke Deuce. So they should cut your cousin, Little Duval
checking in live and direct. You know this podcast, this
is my new podcast. You know. I sit on here
and have a couple of people in that that I admired,
that I that I respect or that I think it's talented,
(00:23):
and the motherfucker on my show and we vibe out.
They get to ask me questions about light, about everything.
And one of the people that I like, you know
what I'm saying, one people I've been watching for a
while and I respect them and I see them vibing
and I think they're one of the baddest, coolest gangsters,
goddamn dancers in the goddamn gay You know what I'm saying.
I got my man right here, Deuce on this motherfucker.
(00:45):
What's handing niggas?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What's good?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
All right? Man? You know just over here vibe and
dcent man. So like I say, man, I appreciate you
coming on the show, coming vibe with you. Like like
I'm let you know what my show about. You know,
all we do is I let people come on here
because a lot of people don't have nobody that they
can talk to. You know what I'm saying. They don't
have nobody they could talk to in the game or
even in their personal life. So they come over here
(01:07):
and just talk to me a rappidtad, you know what
I'm saying, So you can ask me questions. You could
treat it like a goddamn confessional. And I'm gonna tell
you a boy, my show, you don't have to if
it's something that you might say it and you're like,
you know what, I don't use that shit. We ain't
got to use that shit. I don't give a fuck.
I'm not one of them flickbake niggas. I don't give
a fuck. Yeah, So you could just talk open like
a motherfuck and see what you want to say, and
(01:28):
if you want to use wing. If you don't want
to use it, fuck that shit, you know what I'm saying.
So that's what it is. But first introduce yourself with level.
Know where you're from and what you do, and how
long you've been gaming all that shit, and how you start.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, mister kron Star Loop, the dudes you know what
I'm saying. I've been in the game for about five
six year maybe six, maybe seven. You know what I'm saying,
Time nigg time fly when you wane you working in yeah, traveling.
You know what I'm saying. And I am the king
(01:58):
of Kromp. You feel brought it back to their face.
You know what I'm saying, going crazy and type ship.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Let's give him some history of Crump because a lot
of people think Krunk came from Atlanta. But honestly, I
know this because I'm an old nigga, like Krunk really
came from Memphis getting an Atlanta ticket and made it
popular and then you took it back from their ass
and got their ticket to a whole another level. I
just want to get them a little history up of
how it came to be. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Facts, man, You know what I'm saying. Krop came from
Memphis main Uh, you know what I'm saying it I
want to say, I really want to say it started
arriving through Mephis like in the eighties, because you know,
or how.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Did Krunk the word krunk or how did they give
me some history lessons on this ship? Mike.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, So kromp is a very old world word. They
used that as slavery. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Let me.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
As far on gay gay hard, let me put my
shades on look though, So as far as the music though,
you know what I'm saying. I know for a fact
that Memphis started saying it around nineteen ninety two, referring
to music in your your actions. You know what I'm saying,
(03:23):
because it's not just music, it's actions as well. You
feel me. But I know we was called I know
he was calling it buck before kromp. You know what
I'm saying, which, yeah, get you know what I'm saying.
Mc hammer tried to run off with that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Damn I didn't put the two and two together.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, Myphos was mad that hell yeah, that was mad
about this ship.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I ain't even know that he.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Went on to see where he left mephis and my
next thing. You know, he gotta get buck, get buck,
get buck get He's fitted. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So put two and two together and the gangster walking,
the moves and ship, y'all see me eating It's really
part of the movement. You know what I'm saying, walking
(04:09):
for show and they called it gangster?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What got you into the gangster walking? Like, cause that's
why I know you from that and I remember the
song you did with Little Johnny and that's when I
became a fan of the ship. But like, what got
you into like the coature the dance of the crunk Ship?
I mean, uh, what y'all call it? What is it
called now? Because they've been changing the name of.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So you got gangster walking? You got joking, Memphis jerking, jerking? Yeah,
you got we gotta joke to in Florida, Like I
joke like this, Yeah, y'all, y'all kind of gets y'all
groovy with it, you feel me?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah? Yeah, we vibe with our ship.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah yeah, but uh yeah, you got joking, bucking, shopping, ticking.
It's it's a you know, it's a bunch of names
for type ship.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, So what got what? What? How did you get
get into that part of instead of just wrap this?
Was you a rapper first? Or was you a dancer first?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I was dancing first, But damn, it's kind of it's
kind of hard to say, but yeah, you could technically
say I was dancing and ship.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
First.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You know what I'm saying. When I first seen this
ship when I was young, I ain't no telling how.
I probably about seven eight, and I was outside and
the nigga was coming down the street, the hood nigga
though you feel me coming down the street. He had
the black shade, they got all black with the CD
player with the headphones and his you're man. He was
(05:34):
walking down the street like he were walking on ice
and ship. I was like, God, damn fool. He was
killing that shit. And I was like, man, you gotta
teach me how to do that ship. So it's then
I've been doing it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You feel me? Yeah, So you went from dancing and
then got into the music part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
See, I wasn't gonna never do the gangster walking. I
wasn't gonna never merge you with the music. I was
just gonna stick to just strictly just rapping and.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Ship like that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And my mama used to tell me, she like, you
need to hit your moves and shp when you rap.
And I'm like, hell now, mom, I'm not knowing that ship.
You feel me? Man? Next thing, no, I'm doing this ship.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So see why you got to listen to your mama. Man.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying. Mama always came
up with some good ideas. Sometimes she can fall off,
but she she beat there, she'd be right there with me.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Hey is Then it got THEMN because like I'm like
I said, I'm a fan of this ship. I got
pay attention to if they hit the historic battles, dance battles,
I should look up from from you back in the
day that you went against somebody that that I should
know about.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Man, it's a lot, it's a lot of them. But
you need to look up b H G Pat. That's
b H b H G Space Pat versus Little Spins.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
M Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's a classical.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's a classic giant Right there, I snapped, I bumped
out there, two chins, crack, motherfucker. I went crazy crazy?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So how long? So how long did it take for
you once you got into music? How long did it
take for you to get your buzz to where? All right,
I got it. I got a foundation where you was
able to get that that song with with Little John?
Oh what you already popping by then?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, I was already doing my thighs. He Little John
and Project pat Juice to Jay. They hopped on the
remix because it was yeah, yeah, already going crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
You know what I'm saying, Uh huh yeah, So what
what how long did that take from when it started
going crazy? From when you started when you started dancing,
like when you said, when your mama told you, man,
put the music with the dancing in and then how
long did that take? With this?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well? Where that happened? She was telling me that before
I even really fully established my her you know, I
was still coming up with my name and everything around it.
I was a beginner. I only had like probably a
few records that I recorded around there time, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But I was where did they ain't come from?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I was telling how I'm finna take this hit serious?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Where did ain't come from? So?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Man, me and my mom and my sister was in
the kitchen, and man, I think she she helped me
come up with Duke duce or I don't know how
it kind of happened. I don't know if I added
the duce or she did. I think she was saying
Duke to the second Power and shit like that, like pops,
My pops named Duke and he's a legendary nigga, you
(08:43):
know what I'm saying. But music and shit like that too,
So I'm pretty much Duke the second, So Duke Duce.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Okay, Hey, man, you know what I'm saying. I'm learning
already in this year. Man, you're a family nigga. Man. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
that's a good thing though. Man, that's what keep your ground,
and that's probably why I fuck with you know, it's
probably the energy I felt from you know, you can
see it in people. You can feel the energy and
people and it comes out. Yeah, you think they help?
(09:14):
Do you think they help you with moving around in
the in this industry?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah? For show for show, it had it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
How so it had.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
It, It had good and bad. You know what I'm saying,
I gotta what band.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I can family have brank band in the industry.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Just said over expecting this and that, you know what
I'm saying, not fully understanding what's really going on. You
feel me that right there could turn ship into ship.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You feel me. I get what you're saying. They think
it's more than what it is. Yeah, like the game play.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, you feel me.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
This ain't the time.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Where I could do this and woo woo woo, like
I ain't got damn, I ain't God damn drake out.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I understand, I under stay exactly. But one thing I
can't say for my family, especially for my mama, which
is a blessing. My mama then ask me for the
least out of anybody in my family, and so my
mother always been in life. If you ask for more
than my Mama, you ask for too much, you know
what I'm saying. So with that, I don't really feel
(10:25):
obligated to nobody, you know what I'm saying. And that's
how I go with the industry. Ship with it with
the industry people to my personal family people, and too
they know they know how to how I'm coming because
I always it's a nothing I do. I'm They know
I'm cheap, you know what I'm saying. So by the
knowing I'm cheating, if they come to me, I know
(10:47):
they really need it, you know what I'm saying. But
outside of that, they know that to come to me
by ship, I.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Ain't gonna try to get it to me.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah yeah, right, I have to say, but that fruck,
but you gotta program into them early on while you're
doing it, because once you get to that level, they
already rented.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You see what I'm saying, Once you get to the
way you can do because you do want to do
for me? Who don't want to do for They fan facts?
But at the same time, you got to program and
why they why while you still coming up because if
you don't, they gonna be on your heads later on.
You see what I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Saying, acts, facts, facts. But other than that, though, I
feel like me and my family doing a lot better
than that. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you got kids,
y'all got a little girl? Oh shit sell sl Yeah
selm sel.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I got a little girl too. Man.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
She acts like she acts like her mama, look like
her mama. But bro, it's some ways in her And
I be like, bro, you acting with you? It's like me, Bro,
I'm like, damn.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Is she is it a good side of you? Though? Man,
she don't.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
She got a little bit of both. She like she
she becoming fearless as hell sometime, Like you be like.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Nigga, I get it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You feel me getting extra nonchalant like this me all
day like I don't care.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Man, My daughter. She ain't fearless, but she like nachalant
like like they, she don't care about like she like me,
I don't care about money like that, but I get money,
you know what I'm saying. But she don't care about money,
but she didn't get money, you know, Like, so I
have to push it in her like to care about money.
(12:37):
You know how some people like that they care too
much about money, and you have to say, man, that
money ain't gonna, ain't gonna, ain't gonna help you. For her,
I have to instill it in her, like, have to
push it in Look. So I see all that in
the hook, but that's in me too, So I'm trying
to program myself to like, how can I get her
to care about it? But it's hard for me because
I get it. So it's probably the same way with you,
(12:59):
because it's like, man, she feelings and I'm feeling too,
so I get it. But at the same time, I
don't want to be like out here because this world
ain't ain't.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No for real, for real, this ship crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But yeah, man, so what you evolved you from from
their crunk ship to you doing rolling loud stadiums and
ship When I saw you swamp. That was that stage, nigga.
Yeah that ship was odd though, man.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Come on, cause you know what I'm saying. If it wasn't,
I would have been so I would have sued the
ship out of my asso.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah you're right, but ship, man, that ship was odd.
But that's that's in it, you know. And that's another
thing I wanted to say why I brought up through
Rolling Loust ship because you got something that a lot
of I think I might've been tweeted about it before.
A lot of these new entertainers is missing they know
how to you know, how to entertain and perform like I.
(13:55):
That's what. That's what a lot of these even bigger
names than you, they missing that. But that's what you got.
But when you but you know, it's gonna work in
your favorite because once you get to that point, you're
gonna already be riddy. Oh god.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And they know it too. I think the nigga scaed
of me, they know it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
It don't even matter if they scared of you. That's
the thing. It don't even matter because those people that's
like the comedian used to be scared of me to
you too. But guess what I didn't give a fuck
because I'm like this it. You get what I'm saying,
like tunnel vision only po ass over.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So that's what I got, tunnel vision, And I'm gonna
tell you something else. The reason though, this is how
I come up with the shit that I come up with.
Like Yo, a lot of people say I'm genius. At
the same time, what it really is is I don't
give a fuck. You know what I'm saying. I'm not
I'm not trying to push this street persona. Well, I'm
(14:48):
too street to do this and do that. I'm not
a street nigga. Fuck, I'm a hood nigga. You know
what I'm saying. And I like the fun so I'm
aa the fuck I wanna do? You dig I ain't
trying to look cool, you know what I'm saying. I
feel I feel like me just not giving the fuck
is cool enough.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You feel it that that's all you gotta be. That's
what cool is being you nigga. Yes, all is Yeah.
I wouldn't go back what you said cause you say
your daddy was in the in the music industry, right,
yeah what what? What? What do I know him?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm not sure his name Duke knity. I'm not sure
if you ever heard of South par Boy. That was
one of his biggest judts tracks that he did for
Gangster Black.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Okay, how did you have an impact.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
On man bro that ship? I followed every footstep when
it came to music.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's just that you was gonna be doing this off top.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, facts, facts. I feel like I ain't really have
how much else I wanted to do? You know what
I'm saying. If I wasn't rapping, I'd probably be cutting her.
That ain't what I want to do, you feel.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's what you can do.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Hey, what you want to do, But that ain't what
I want to do. Shit, I don't even like it.
I don't even like the standing one spot for a
long god damn time.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Ship. You ain't gotta tell me I've been the same
way here. I'm forty six.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah you see, I mean so shit? Yeah, I said,
you know what I'm I'm gonna do this ship. You
feel I feel like I furthered my pops footsteps. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
He did, man, That's what it's all about. Evolving to
the next level, you know what I'm saying, and keep
going and that's what you're supposed to do, nigga, then
your yo, see, do it and take it to the
next level too. But the smartest thing you understood who
your pops was a lot of a lot of us
don't get to know where we come from. And if
you know where you come from early, you can already
(16:46):
get ready to prepare for and that way you don't
skip the life. Like if I I was talking in
an interview with Stack Stephen Jackson, I was telling him, like,
my grand my great grandparent is I mean my great
grand on his head? Tell me? And I knew this
twenty years ago, I would have prepared for myself to
with even more. You know what I'm saying, even though
(17:06):
it's always been in me to do what I do
for my people and ship there. But had I do
that earlier, I probably would have even went that way
even even sooner. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
See what you was saying?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, kind of like what you did. You knew off
top what it is. I had to figure it out time,
which it ain't a bad thing, but it's still it's
just still if as soon as you know the bigger
you can make an impact and make a change for
a difference to it's still that to the next person
and to the next seed, because that's all. That's all,
that's all pragice man.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, yeah, they passed and you feel now money too.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Ship exactly, all that ship money. They got power, property, powers, everything,
money and ship. It's about power ship, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
God, because if we choose everything in the day, it's
gonna be about the man with the power.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
If the man with the powers, the man who got
the most controlled. Uh, that's just like the internet. We
ain't got no power because we ain't got no control
on nothing on the fact. That's that's what the power
they got that ship, but we got money. Yeah, we
got the money, but we ain't got no fucking power. Yeah.
That's they'll give you money all day now here, give
(18:18):
them niggas money because you know why they give you
money because they own everything that you got to buy.
You give you what I'm saying. So we gotta figure
out the way. That's why we can't trip off what
they doing. We gotta create our own ship. And that's
what that's what I try to do. That's what we
do with the Black Effect. That's what that's why it's
Oh my goddamn Charlamagne and and doll it.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, sales. Black people always sell the ship we're supposed
to keep.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But we will, man, We we just at the beginning
of it. That's what we is folk. You know, we
can't we can't say what other people should do. We
do it. You know what I'm saying. That's and that's
what you do. That's what I do. So what else? Man?
Tell me some old ship. Man, tell me ask you
some questions. What's going on in your life? How you
like being, your personal life, your regular life? Are you
(19:06):
at peace and life? Are you happy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I am, Bro, I really feel fucking great, like you
know what I'm saying, even though I'm still like, I'm
still working to get to a certain position. And everybody
got their battles. You did with the scientist, Yeah, yeah,
same time. Don't fight me about him with a smile.
Now you feel me like I'm rocking and rolling.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You're me. What's your battle, man? Is it about? It
might not even be a battle. What do you want
to talk about it? Cool? Men?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I mean, it's honestly just it's just music, bro. It's music,
and the music game is the music. It's a huge
the behind the scene ship. I'm having a lot of
business right now, going through some changes. I'm transitioning from
QC to who knows you feel me?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. It's the
unknown part of this game. Yeah. But that's how life is, man.
That's why it's always.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Enjoy this ship though, bro, because the little set is
really helping me get into my bag. Like I'm coming
up with some crazy ship.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
You're not in no setback, You just you just it's
like going back in the gym of going into preceson.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Say it again, it's like a stand steel out.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's like you gotta go. It's just like yeah, it's
like it's like a stand up like stand up you know,
if you ever knows most great stand ups, it takes
some five six years to come back out with doing
a special because you gotta live life, you know what
I'm saying. You got to you gotta give time, like
and social media makes it count of hard because it
feels like if you ain't doing it right now, you
ain't doing something. But like you long as you growing,
(20:46):
and every day you see you progress and you win
it and it's just bus like you said, you enjoy
this ship, nigga. If you enjoy your ship and can
live off of it, nigga, you don't want you want
to day you stopping able to make a living off
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You get what I'm saying. This ship is fun. Everything
else is a bonus. We out here living.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, it was something I want to ask you though.
I've seen you in a lot of legendary videos. Bro,
I want you in one of mines. Bro, we need
to do something.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's easy, we need to do something. I only do
video for people I'm fans of. I'm a fair man
with Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, I got some I be on some ship. I
got some ship. I don't want to speak about the
idea of the video. We top we're gonna chop it
up about that, you feel me?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ship. As soon as you
said it, I started thinking a little ideas And I
don't even know what you want to do the song too, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You're gonna fuck with the song too, because it's got
like a little it's got a Florida vibe to it.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
A little bop in. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, it's real old school kind of too. Yeah, yeah,
we don't we gonna get it cracking though.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
That's what it is. But what that say be Oh
the Kronk Stars, Oh the Cronk Stars. I couldn't see
it cause I got I got this god damn cricket,
this cricket reception.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Uh yeah, I'm sure like damn my boy on the
recording on the PlayStation n that whole fuzzy is hell.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Hey man, I'm rich, broke, man, I'm risk broken. I
don't God damn if I ain't got a split, shut
the fuck up. Oh ship, that's a doubt.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, So I was having your child bro through your.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Journey as far as being in the in the industry
and having the child ship. Honestly, I I'm kind of
like when I look at my daughter and now I'm
kind of proud of how I raised and I'm kind
of happy I did because when I had my daughter,
it was like right when the social media boom, and
like my daughter was like one of the first bait,
like I had, like I hate put my daughter on.
(23:01):
When I had her, I had put on social media
and like she was one of the first people that
it was had a baby on that like I could
have like raised her through this YouTube ear and raised
her like that she could have been one of them
YouTube kids. But I never did that, you know what
I'm saying. I never raised her. So now that she's fifteen,
she's a regular child, and I'm happy I did that
because like now I look at a lot of kids
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that was raising that shit, and I'm like, man, I'm
glad my daughter ain't on that type of town. Like
my daughter into she into regular shit, like she she
like Tyler the crazyor she likes Kate Pop like she
an anime like And I'm not saying like she ain't
gonna do some shit like kids do shit, you know
what I'm saying. But like I'm proud of what how
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I raised as far as like keeping away from shit,
you know what I'm saying. I don't post her like
I stopped posting a posting on social media like when
she was about about four or five, because people start
I realized people recognized us. Are like now I'm not
posting no more. But outside of that, I just let
her live a regular life. And she's a regular, a
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regular girl, you know what I'm saying. So I raised
mind just like a regular child. Just try to be
as much as I can but in this game, with
you on the road, there's no way to be there
fully twenty four seven in the life, you know what
I'm saying. So you gone and that way you're not
gonna be there. With technology, you can be there, which
that's a blessing that because you got FaceTime and all
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this shit here. So I met her life like that.
I don't know if you and your your baby mama together,
but me and my baby mama ain't together, you know
what I'm saying. So so we still work through that shit.
But at the end of the day, shit, I got
a relationship with it, and the's smart. The best thing
happened with me with my jit was the first year
I was with her every year, every day. So I
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think that little one year bond kept it was important
for life because it's like a it's like a subconscious bond,
you know what I'm saying. So around the young time,
that's the most important times because that's gonna bar for life,
even when ship around them, even when the world probably
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giving them bullshit, that barb gonna keep it together. Damn
you said you got a seven year old daughter, right, Yeah?
Did she know who you is? As as a as
an artist or as it entertainment.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Oh yeah, she definitely know because somebody always showing her
the videos. You know what I'm saying. She always end
up running up across ship and the thing ain't gonna lie.
The thing I hate about this shit is like if
I have like some ass shaking in my video, I
hate for her to see this shit. But she gonna
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see it, and you feel me, Yeah, she go see it.
I don't want her to think that just that's me
when I'm not around, like you feel me.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That's why it's good for her to see how you
handle women. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, because I
mean you say, well, people, we humans. We don't go
by what we say. We go by what people do.
We go by actions. People don't listen, they follow. So
it's the same thing with kids, Like they pay attention
more to you how you do than what you say,
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you know what I'm saying. So as long as they
see how you acting and you see how you treat women.
You know what I'm saying, all the women in your life,
they gonna they gonna follow suitand like that's what they are.
You know what I'm saying, That's how they gonna mold
the man that they won't. You know what I'm saying,
as far as that's what I do with my daughter,
you know what I'm saying. And like I said, my daughter,
I ain't saying my daughter might not e a fuck
you know shit, but shit, she showed doing it doing
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it right so far. I don't know shit about it.
Shit she good, you know what I'm saying. So that's
all thing you can ask for. Stop it, you know
what I'm saying. Shit, I just thought about it, like
my daughter fifteen. Shit, I know I was fucking at fifteen.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Shit, well I was. I was haunted to them all
for at fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, I was dropping all type of dick this shit crazy. Yeah,
we got stuff talking about that. I need to go
on something. Man.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You know I would, I wouldh they would have taught
to us bro along in school critic bro credit Yes, Bro?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Why why so?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Because? Bro? I feel like motherfuckers don't really get a
chance to learn this ship until they damn they're grown.
Growl you feel me like, and I feel like this
ship is important. I do think that, you know what,
they might as well put that in school.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But see, I'm probably the wrong person talk about with
credit because I don't funk with it, really, I really don't.
I've never really had you because, like I've I've learned
to just live in my means and and and build
bill for what I need. You know what I'm saying,
I've been blessed enough to to live off the LIBB
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that way. You know what I'm saying, Like I haven't
and I haven't checked my I haven't checked my credit
score in about ten years because I haven't had to.
You know what I'm saying, I haven't had no reason to. Now,
I'm not saying like people shouldn't use credit, but for
me and a lot of people I know that have
used it, are they like, you got some people that
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use it for the right reason, but a lot of
people they like saying, a lot of people is using
the credit shit and they fucked up because they bit
off more than they can cheer, you know what I'm saying.
And that's where they fuck up because you think, all right, shit,
I can get a mortgage for thirty years and such
and such and something gonna happen. What if something happened,
like say Fan's like if I get like this shit
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happened with me when I got hit by cars, I
almost died, and that chill for you. I couldn't work
for a year, And if I had a mortgage, I
would have been fucked up. Say if I had a
twenty thousand dollars mortgage, I would have been fucked up.
You know what I'm saying. I would have been trying
to scramb or do shit I ain't want to do,
you know what I'm saying. So I've never wanted to
be like that. But some people they smart with credit,
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you know what I'm saying. But I'm not. I'm I'm
really just simple with everything in life. I keep shit simple.
And by keeping shit simple, I don't have that much obligation.
Like I don't want a million dollar credit line. I
don't want none of that. Ship I can make a million,
you see what I'm saying. And that's always seen everything
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in life. So that's that's how I look at credit.
But that's why I say, I'm probably not the person
to talk to you about credit, you know, cause Ship
they get mad at me about He's soooo it is.
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
But I get why some people use it though, because
I mean, everybody won't have. Everybody not blessed enough to
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have the money off the top. But in our business,
we're able to get money a lot of this at
a lump summer, at a quick time, so we could
do shit like that. Well, we don't need as credit
as everybody else. So that's why I don't see like
people like us while we sold unless it's just something
that you just want to get for twenty million dollars.
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Now you're putting yourself in a hole. You get what
I'm saying, not fit but on this but on this
level where we can build that you can get your
shit off of what you what you make off of
show money, you know what I'm saying, What you make
off of your album stream, what you make off of publishing.
You know what I'm saying. Shit, you can make it. Yeah,
that's your credit right there. It's been working shit, Yeah,
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that's your credit right there. I feel it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
How do you exist the y'all space without trying to
be like everybody else?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I think it's always instilled to me just from day one.
I always was a trailblazer more so than just wanted
to always wanted to do the next thing. Always wanted
to be the first, always wanted to try something else,
you know what I'm saying. So God Like, I feel
like you're counting the same way too, you know what
I'm saying. So so by me being that way, I'm
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programmed that way. I get when I see everybody else
doing it, I don't want to do it no more.
That's what took me so long to do podcasts, you
know what I'm saying, is because once you see everybody
do it, you're just like, all right, I don't want
to do it, you know what I'm saying. But but
at the same time, I seen there was there was
a space that needs to be that needs to be
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to be be open. You know what I'm saying, I
be addressed. So that's why I came in, you know
what I'm saying. I felt like, if you don't like,
if you see a problem in something, either fix it
or shut the fuck up. That's why I'm in the
podcast game now.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It's how I think, that's how you think you do that.
And then if I'm gonna I'll be like, damn everybody
doing it. But then I'd be like, if I do it,
I'm gonna have to try to do something, it's gonna
have to be something unique about it.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, and that's how you gotta do it. You
just want to make it unique or make it simple.
And that's why we came over with this is just
something simple and understanding and try to give a different perspective,
because I mean, people know me for comedy. People might
know me for music, people are like over for social media.
It might know me from other things, but they don't
know me from just being a person. Get that can
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give sounded perspective. You know what I'm saying. I don't
like to say I give like a be a guru
guru or some shit, but like I'd just like to
give simple advice. You know what I'm saying. Don't take
much to figure shit out. You know, sometimes we overthink,
especially in this industry and his life. You know what
I'm saying. In this game, when you're trying to make
it to the next level, it feel empty, feels like shit,
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I don't know where I'm gonna go now. Because you
understand how the industry is, and you understand how fickle
people are. You trying to figure it out, you know
what I'm saying, But you have to understand how to
have peace through all that, because otherwise you'll go crazy
and start getting better. You don't want to be that
old better nigga and this shit because I know a
lot of old better motherfuckers in it. You know what
I'm saying. It's easy to become that, you know what
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I'm saying. So I don't never That's why you tell
the earliest like these niggas scared of me? Who gives
the fun if they scared of you? Fuckle? You know
what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna give him something to
be scared of if they're scared, not wait till I
really I'm gonna show him book a book, a book,
a boob. But fuck, you know what I'm saying. So
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that's how I held the ship, you know. All right,
let me ask you a question. What's your end game
in life?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Like what you mean by that? Like?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
All right, We'll make you two questions in your career
and the life at who you is as a person,
where you where you want to see yourself as a person,
Where you see yourself at sixty five.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Mm sixty five, I see myself living like John Dunn't
yellow start like that?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
But I'm so bad coming out with a new one.
But yeah, I see my man, see myself living like that,
not without a bullshit, you know what I'm saying, But
you know, laying But.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Just like he said, bullshit come with ship when you
pretrying to protect your ship.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah that's true. That's true. But you know what
I'm saying. But uh, I like peace. I'm gonna be
a I'm a peaceful nigga. I like to chill out.
You know what I'm saying. You get some head and
or the woo woo.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
You feel me? So are you doing that? Now? Are
you preparing yourself now? Because in order to be that,
come tell you about this age ship coming from old
nigga myself. That shit come like this nigga. You looking
back like that, damnit?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah six to five yeah fact.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
But but the thing is you have to you have
to like program yourself now just like now you everything
you are now is but what you started when you
said when you were a jit, a super jit at
six years old. So in order to wanted to be
that person that you said, I want to be like
done't you gotta be that done right now? Yeah? That's
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all I do right now I prepare myself to be
old pop pop nigga. Look at the show. My show
is this nigga. Yeah, so you gotta prepare yourself, you
know what I'm saying. So that's how you do that shit. Man.
But that's all man, that's I appreciate you coming on
the show.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Man.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I hope I gave you some game. Man. I hope
you get some insight on life. If I didn't, that's
on you, nigga. So thank y'all for tuning the man.
Y'all tune in next week on The Black Effect Me
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I'm a little Duval and this is Conversations with the podcast.
Today's guest is the King of Crumple's welcome my man,
Duke Deuce. So they should cut your cousin, Little Duval
checking in live and direct. You know this podcast, this
is my new podcast. You know. I sit on here
and have a couple of people in that that I admired,
that I that I respect or that I think it's talented,
(00:23):
and the motherfucker on my show and we vibe out.
They get to ask me questions about light, about everything.
And one of the people that I like, you know
what I'm saying, one people I've been watching for a
while and I respect them and I see them vibing
and I think they're one of the baddest, coolest gangsters,
goddamn dancers in the goddamn gay You know what I'm saying.
I got my man right here, Deuce on this motherfucker.
(00:45):
What's handing niggas?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What's good?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
All right? Man? You know just over here vibe and
dcent man. So like I say, man, I appreciate you
coming on the show, coming vibe with you. Like like
I'm let you know what my show about. You know,
all we do is I let people come on here
because a lot of people don't have nobody that they
can talk to. You know what I'm saying. They don't
have nobody they could talk to in the game or
even in their personal life. So they come over here
(01:07):
and just talk to me a rappidtad, you know what
I'm saying, So you can ask me questions. You could
treat it like a goddamn confessional. And I'm gonna tell
you a boy, my show, you don't have to if
it's something that you might say it and you're like,
you know what, I don't use that shit. We ain't
got to use that shit. I don't give a fuck.
I'm not one of them flickbake niggas. I don't give
a fuck. Yeah, So you could just talk open like
a motherfuck and see what you want to say, and
(01:28):
if you want to use wing. If you don't want
to use it, fuck that shit, you know what I'm saying.
So that's what it is. But first introduce yourself with level.
Know where you're from and what you do, and how
long you've been gaming all that shit, and how you start.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, mister kron Star Loop, the dudes you know what
I'm saying. I've been in the game for about five
six year maybe six, maybe seven. You know what I'm saying,
Time nigg time fly when you wane you working in yeah, traveling.
You know what I'm saying. And I am the king
(01:58):
of Kromp. You feel brought it back to their face.
You know what I'm saying, going crazy and type ship.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Let's give him some history of Crump because a lot
of people think Krunk came from Atlanta. But honestly, I
know this because I'm an old nigga, like Krunk really
came from Memphis getting an Atlanta ticket and made it
popular and then you took it back from their ass
and got their ticket to a whole another level. I
just want to get them a little history up of
how it came to be. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Facts, man, You know what I'm saying. Krop came from
Memphis main Uh, you know what I'm saying it I
want to say, I really want to say it started
arriving through Mephis like in the eighties, because you know,
or how.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Did Krunk the word krunk or how did they give
me some history lessons on this ship? Mike.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, So kromp is a very old world word. They
used that as slavery. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Let me.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
As far on gay gay hard, let me put my
shades on look though, So as far as the music though,
you know what I'm saying. I know for a fact
that Memphis started saying it around nineteen ninety two, referring
to music in your your actions. You know what I'm saying,
(03:23):
because it's not just music, it's actions as well. You
feel me. But I know we was called I know
he was calling it buck before kromp. You know what
I'm saying, which, yeah, get you know what I'm saying.
Mc hammer tried to run off with that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Damn I didn't put the two and two together.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, Myphos was mad that hell yeah, that was mad
about this ship.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I ain't even know that he.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Went on to see where he left mephis and my
next thing. You know, he gotta get buck, get buck,
get buck get He's fitted. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So put two and two together and the gangster walking,
the moves and ship, y'all see me eating It's really
part of the movement. You know what I'm saying, walking
(04:09):
for show and they called it gangster?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What got you into the gangster walking? Like, cause that's
why I know you from that and I remember the
song you did with Little Johnny and that's when I
became a fan of the ship. But like, what got
you into like the coature the dance of the crunk Ship?
I mean, uh, what y'all call it? What is it
called now? Because they've been changing the name of.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So you got gangster walking? You got joking, Memphis jerking, jerking? Yeah,
you got we gotta joke to in Florida, Like I
joke like this, Yeah, y'all, y'all kind of gets y'all
groovy with it, you feel me?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah? Yeah, we vibe with our ship.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah yeah, but uh yeah, you got joking, bucking, shopping, ticking.
It's it's a you know, it's a bunch of names
for type ship.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, So what got what? What? How did you get
get into that part of instead of just wrap this?
Was you a rapper first? Or was you a dancer first?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I was dancing first, But damn, it's kind of it's
kind of hard to say, but yeah, you could technically
say I was dancing and ship.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
First.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You know what I'm saying. When I first seen this
ship when I was young, I ain't no telling how.
I probably about seven eight, and I was outside and
the nigga was coming down the street, the hood nigga
though you feel me coming down the street. He had
the black shade, they got all black with the CD
player with the headphones and his you're man. He was
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walking down the street like he were walking on ice
and ship. I was like, God, damn fool. He was
killing that shit. And I was like, man, you gotta
teach me how to do that ship. So it's then
I've been doing it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You feel me? Yeah, So you went from dancing and
then got into the music part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
See, I wasn't gonna never do the gangster walking. I
wasn't gonna never merge you with the music. I was
just gonna stick to just strictly just rapping and.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Ship like that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And my mama used to tell me, she like, you
need to hit your moves and shp when you rap.
And I'm like, hell now, mom, I'm not knowing that ship.
You feel me? Man? Next thing, no, I'm doing this ship.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So see why you got to listen to your mama. Man.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying. Mama always came
up with some good ideas. Sometimes she can fall off,
but she she beat there, she'd be right there with me.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Hey is Then it got THEMN because like I'm like
I said, I'm a fan of this ship. I got
pay attention to if they hit the historic battles, dance battles,
I should look up from from you back in the
day that you went against somebody that that I should
know about.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Man, it's a lot, it's a lot of them. But
you need to look up b H G Pat. That's
b H b H G Space Pat versus Little Spins.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
M Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's a classical.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's a classic giant Right there, I snapped, I bumped
out there, two chins, crack, motherfucker. I went crazy crazy?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So how long? So how long did it take for
you once you got into music? How long did it
take for you to get your buzz to where? All right,
I got it. I got a foundation where you was
able to get that that song with with Little John?
Oh what you already popping by then?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, I was already doing my thighs. He Little John
and Project pat Juice to Jay. They hopped on the
remix because it was yeah, yeah, already going crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
You know what I'm saying, Uh huh yeah, So what
what how long did that take from when it started
going crazy? From when you started when you started dancing,
like when you said, when your mama told you, man,
put the music with the dancing in and then how
long did that take? With this?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well? Where that happened? She was telling me that before
I even really fully established my her you know, I
was still coming up with my name and everything around it.
I was a beginner. I only had like probably a
few records that I recorded around there time, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But I was where did they ain't come from?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I was telling how I'm finna take this hit serious?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Where did ain't come from? So?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Man, me and my mom and my sister was in
the kitchen, and man, I think she she helped me
come up with Duke duce or I don't know how
it kind of happened. I don't know if I added
the duce or she did. I think she was saying
Duke to the second Power and shit like that, like pops,
My pops named Duke and he's a legendary nigga, you
(08:43):
know what I'm saying. But music and shit like that too,
So I'm pretty much Duke the second, So Duke Duce.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Okay, Hey, man, you know what I'm saying. I'm learning
already in this year. Man, you're a family nigga. Man. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
that's a good thing though. Man, that's what keep your ground,
and that's probably why I fuck with you know, it's
probably the energy I felt from you know, you can
see it in people. You can feel the energy and
people and it comes out. Yeah, you think they help?
(09:14):
Do you think they help you with moving around in
the in this industry?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah? For show for show, it had it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
How so it had.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
It, It had good and bad. You know what I'm saying,
I gotta what band.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I can family have brank band in the industry.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Just said over expecting this and that, you know what
I'm saying, not fully understanding what's really going on. You
feel me that right there could turn ship into ship.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You feel me. I get what you're saying. They think
it's more than what it is. Yeah, like the game play.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, you feel me.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
This ain't the time.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Where I could do this and woo woo woo, like
I ain't got damn, I ain't God damn drake out.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I understand, I under stay exactly. But one thing I
can't say for my family, especially for my mama, which
is a blessing. My mama then ask me for the
least out of anybody in my family, and so my
mother always been in life. If you ask for more
than my Mama, you ask for too much, you know
what I'm saying. So with that, I don't really feel
(10:25):
obligated to nobody, you know what I'm saying. And that's
how I go with the industry. Ship with it with
the industry people to my personal family people, and too
they know they know how to how I'm coming because
I always it's a nothing I do. I'm They know
I'm cheap, you know what I'm saying. So by the
knowing I'm cheating, if they come to me, I know
(10:47):
they really need it, you know what I'm saying. But
outside of that, they know that to come to me
by ship, I.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Ain't gonna try to get it to me.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah yeah, right, I have to say, but that fruck,
but you gotta program into them early on while you're
doing it, because once you get to that level, they
already rented.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You see what I'm saying, Once you get to the
way you can do because you do want to do
for me? Who don't want to do for They fan facts?
But at the same time, you got to program and
why they why while you still coming up because if
you don't, they gonna be on your heads later on.
You see what I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Saying, acts, facts, facts. But other than that, though, I
feel like me and my family doing a lot better
than that. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you got kids,
y'all got a little girl? Oh shit sell sl Yeah
selm sel.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I got a little girl too. Man.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
She acts like she acts like her mama, look like
her mama. But bro, it's some ways in her And
I be like, bro, you acting with you? It's like me, Bro,
I'm like, damn.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Is she is it a good side of you? Though? Man,
she don't.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
She got a little bit of both. She like she
she becoming fearless as hell sometime, Like you be like.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Nigga, I get it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You feel me getting extra nonchalant like this me all
day like I don't care.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Man, My daughter. She ain't fearless, but she like nachalant
like like they, she don't care about like she like me,
I don't care about money like that, but I get money,
you know what I'm saying. But she don't care about money,
but she didn't get money, you know, Like, so I
have to push it in her like to care about money.
(12:37):
You know how some people like that they care too
much about money, and you have to say, man, that
money ain't gonna, ain't gonna, ain't gonna help you. For her,
I have to instill it in her, like, have to
push it in Look. So I see all that in
the hook, but that's in me too, So I'm trying
to program myself to like, how can I get her
to care about it? But it's hard for me because
I get it. So it's probably the same way with you,
(12:59):
because it's like, man, she feelings and I'm feeling too,
so I get it. But at the same time, I
don't want to be like out here because this world
ain't ain't.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
No for real, for real, this ship crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But yeah, man, so what you evolved you from from
their crunk ship to you doing rolling loud stadiums and
ship When I saw you swamp. That was that stage, nigga.
Yeah that ship was odd though, man.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Come on, cause you know what I'm saying. If it wasn't,
I would have been so I would have sued the
ship out of my asso.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah you're right, but ship, man, that ship was odd.
But that's that's in it, you know. And that's another
thing I wanted to say why I brought up through
Rolling Loust ship because you got something that a lot
of I think I might've been tweeted about it before.
A lot of these new entertainers is missing they know
how to you know, how to entertain and perform like I.
(13:55):
That's what. That's what a lot of these even bigger
names than you, they missing that. But that's what you got.
But when you but you know, it's gonna work in
your favorite because once you get to that point, you're
gonna already be riddy. Oh god.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And they know it too. I think the nigga scaed
of me, they know it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
It don't even matter if they scared of you. That's
the thing. It don't even matter because those people that's
like the comedian used to be scared of me to
you too. But guess what I didn't give a fuck
because I'm like this it. You get what I'm saying,
like tunnel vision only po ass over.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So that's what I got, tunnel vision, And I'm gonna
tell you something else. The reason though, this is how
I come up with the shit that I come up with.
Like Yo, a lot of people say I'm genius. At
the same time, what it really is is I don't
give a fuck. You know what I'm saying. I'm not
I'm not trying to push this street persona. Well, I'm
(14:48):
too street to do this and do that. I'm not
a street nigga. Fuck, I'm a hood nigga. You know
what I'm saying. And I like the fun so I'm
aa the fuck I wanna do? You dig I ain't
trying to look cool, you know what I'm saying. I
feel I feel like me just not giving the fuck
is cool enough.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You feel it that that's all you gotta be. That's
what cool is being you nigga. Yes, all is Yeah.
I wouldn't go back what you said cause you say
your daddy was in the in the music industry, right,
yeah what what? What? What do I know him?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm not sure his name Duke knity. I'm not sure
if you ever heard of South par Boy. That was
one of his biggest judts tracks that he did for
Gangster Black.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Okay, how did you have an impact.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
On man bro that ship? I followed every footstep when
it came to music.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's just that you was gonna be doing this off top.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, facts, facts. I feel like I ain't really have
how much else I wanted to do? You know what
I'm saying. If I wasn't rapping, I'd probably be cutting her.
That ain't what I want to do, you feel.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's what you can do.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Hey, what you want to do, But that ain't what
I want to do. Shit, I don't even like it.
I don't even like the standing one spot for a
long god damn time.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Ship. You ain't gotta tell me I've been the same
way here. I'm forty six.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah you see, I mean so shit? Yeah, I said,
you know what I'm I'm gonna do this ship. You
feel I feel like I furthered my pops footsteps. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
He did, man, That's what it's all about. Evolving to
the next level, you know what I'm saying, and keep
going and that's what you're supposed to do, nigga, then
your yo, see, do it and take it to the
next level too. But the smartest thing you understood who
your pops was a lot of a lot of us
don't get to know where we come from. And if
you know where you come from early, you can already
(16:46):
get ready to prepare for and that way you don't
skip the life. Like if I I was talking in
an interview with Stack Stephen Jackson, I was telling him, like,
my grand my great grandparent is I mean my great
grand on his head? Tell me? And I knew this
twenty years ago, I would have prepared for myself to
with even more. You know what I'm saying, even though
(17:06):
it's always been in me to do what I do
for my people and ship there. But had I do
that earlier, I probably would have even went that way
even even sooner. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
See what you was saying?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, kind of like what you did. You knew off
top what it is. I had to figure it out time,
which it ain't a bad thing, but it's still it's
just still if as soon as you know the bigger
you can make an impact and make a change for
a difference to it's still that to the next person
and to the next seed, because that's all. That's all,
that's all pragice man.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, yeah, they passed and you feel now money too.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Ship exactly, all that ship money. They got power, property, powers, everything,
money and ship. It's about power ship, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
God, because if we choose everything in the day, it's
gonna be about the man with the power.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
If the man with the powers, the man who got
the most controlled. Uh, that's just like the internet. We
ain't got no power because we ain't got no control
on nothing on the fact. That's that's what the power
they got that ship, but we got money. Yeah, we
got the money, but we ain't got no fucking power. Yeah.
That's they'll give you money all day now here, give
(18:18):
them niggas money because you know why they give you
money because they own everything that you got to buy.
You give you what I'm saying. So we gotta figure
out the way. That's why we can't trip off what
they doing. We gotta create our own ship. And that's
what that's what I try to do. That's what we
do with the Black Effect. That's what that's why it's
Oh my goddamn Charlamagne and and doll it.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, sales. Black people always sell the ship we're supposed
to keep.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But we will, man, We we just at the beginning
of it. That's what we is folk. You know, we
can't we can't say what other people should do. We
do it. You know what I'm saying. That's and that's
what you do. That's what I do. So what else? Man?
Tell me some old ship. Man, tell me ask you
some questions. What's going on in your life? How you
like being, your personal life, your regular life? Are you
(19:06):
at peace and life? Are you happy? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I am, Bro, I really feel fucking great, like you
know what I'm saying, even though I'm still like, I'm
still working to get to a certain position. And everybody
got their battles. You did with the scientist, Yeah, yeah,
same time. Don't fight me about him with a smile.
Now you feel me like I'm rocking and rolling.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You're me. What's your battle, man? Is it about? It
might not even be a battle. What do you want
to talk about it? Cool? Men?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I mean, it's honestly just it's just music, bro. It's music,
and the music game is the music. It's a huge
the behind the scene ship. I'm having a lot of
business right now, going through some changes. I'm transitioning from
QC to who knows you feel me?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. It's the
unknown part of this game. Yeah. But that's how life is, man.
That's why it's always.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Enjoy this ship though, bro, because the little set is
really helping me get into my bag. Like I'm coming
up with some crazy ship.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
You're not in no setback, You just you just it's
like going back in the gym of going into preceson.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Say it again, it's like a stand steel out.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's like you gotta go. It's just like yeah, it's
like it's like a stand up like stand up you know,
if you ever knows most great stand ups, it takes
some five six years to come back out with doing
a special because you gotta live life, you know what
I'm saying. You got to you gotta give time, like
and social media makes it count of hard because it
feels like if you ain't doing it right now, you
ain't doing something. But like you long as you growing,
(20:46):
and every day you see you progress and you win
it and it's just bus like you said, you enjoy
this ship, nigga. If you enjoy your ship and can
live off of it, nigga, you don't want you want
to day you stopping able to make a living off
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You get what I'm saying. This ship is fun. Everything
else is a bonus. We out here living.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, it was something I want to ask you though.
I've seen you in a lot of legendary videos. Bro,
I want you in one of mines. Bro, we need
to do something.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's easy, we need to do something. I only do
video for people I'm fans of. I'm a fair man
with Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, I got some I be on some ship. I
got some ship. I don't want to speak about the
idea of the video. We top we're gonna chop it
up about that, you feel me?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ship. As soon as you
said it, I started thinking a little ideas And I
don't even know what you want to do the song too, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You're gonna fuck with the song too, because it's got
like a little it's got a Florida vibe to it.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
A little bop in. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, it's real old school kind of too. Yeah, yeah,
we don't we gonna get it cracking though.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
That's what it is. But what that say be Oh
the Kronk Stars, Oh the Cronk Stars. I couldn't see
it cause I got I got this god damn cricket,
this cricket reception.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Uh yeah, I'm sure like damn my boy on the
recording on the PlayStation n that whole fuzzy is hell.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Hey man, I'm rich, broke, man, I'm risk broken. I
don't God damn if I ain't got a split, shut
the fuck up. Oh ship, that's a doubt.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, So I was having your child bro through your.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Journey as far as being in the in the industry
and having the child ship. Honestly, I I'm kind of
like when I look at my daughter and now I'm
kind of proud of how I raised and I'm kind
of happy I did because when I had my daughter,
it was like right when the social media boom, and
like my daughter was like one of the first bait,
like I had, like I hate put my daughter on.
(23:01):
When I had her, I had put on social media
and like she was one of the first people that
it was had a baby on that like I could
have like raised her through this YouTube ear and raised
her like that she could have been one of them
YouTube kids. But I never did that, you know what
I'm saying. I never raised her. So now that she's fifteen,
she's a regular child, and I'm happy I did that
because like now I look at a lot of kids
(23:21):
that was raising that shit, and I'm like, man, I'm
glad my daughter ain't on that type of town. Like
my daughter into she into regular shit, like she she
like Tyler the crazyor she likes Kate Pop like she
an anime like And I'm not saying like she ain't
gonna do some shit like kids do shit, you know
what I'm saying. But like I'm proud of what how
(23:43):
I raised as far as like keeping away from shit,
you know what I'm saying. I don't post her like
I stopped posting a posting on social media like when
she was about about four or five, because people start
I realized people recognized us. Are like now I'm not
posting no more. But outside of that, I just let
her live a regular life. And she's a regular, a
(24:05):
regular girl, you know what I'm saying. So I raised
mind just like a regular child. Just try to be
as much as I can but in this game, with
you on the road, there's no way to be there
fully twenty four seven in the life, you know what
I'm saying. So you gone and that way you're not
gonna be there. With technology, you can be there, which
that's a blessing that because you got FaceTime and all
(24:26):
this shit here. So I met her life like that.
I don't know if you and your your baby mama together,
but me and my baby mama ain't together, you know
what I'm saying. So so we still work through that shit.
But at the end of the day, shit, I got
a relationship with it, and the's smart. The best thing
happened with me with my jit was the first year
I was with her every year, every day. So I
(24:47):
think that little one year bond kept it was important
for life because it's like a it's like a subconscious bond,
you know what I'm saying. So around the young time,
that's the most important times because that's gonna bar for life,
even when ship around them, even when the world probably
(25:08):
giving them bullshit, that barb gonna keep it together. Damn
you said you got a seven year old daughter, right, Yeah?
Did she know who you is? As as a as
an artist or as it entertainment.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Oh yeah, she definitely know because somebody always showing her
the videos. You know what I'm saying. She always end
up running up across ship and the thing ain't gonna lie.
The thing I hate about this shit is like if
I have like some ass shaking in my video, I
hate for her to see this shit. But she gonna
(25:43):
see it, and you feel me, Yeah, she go see it.
I don't want her to think that just that's me
when I'm not around, like you feel me.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That's why it's good for her to see how you
handle women. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, because I
mean you say, well, people, we humans. We don't go
by what we say. We go by what people do.
We go by actions. People don't listen, they follow. So
it's the same thing with kids, Like they pay attention
more to you how you do than what you say,
(26:14):
you know what I'm saying. So as long as they
see how you acting and you see how you treat women.
You know what I'm saying, all the women in your life,
they gonna they gonna follow suitand like that's what they are.
You know what I'm saying, That's how they gonna mold
the man that they won't. You know what I'm saying,
as far as that's what I do with my daughter,
you know what I'm saying. And like I said, my daughter,
I ain't saying my daughter might not e a fuck
you know shit, but shit, she showed doing it doing
(26:37):
it right so far. I don't know shit about it.
Shit she good, you know what I'm saying. So that's
all thing you can ask for. Stop it, you know
what I'm saying. Shit, I just thought about it, like
my daughter fifteen. Shit, I know I was fucking at fifteen.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Shit, well I was. I was haunted to them all
for at fifteen.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, I was dropping all type of dick this shit crazy. Yeah,
we got stuff talking about that. I need to go
on something. Man.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You know I would, I wouldh they would have taught
to us bro along in school critic bro credit Yes, Bro?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Why why so?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Because? Bro? I feel like motherfuckers don't really get a
chance to learn this ship until they damn they're grown.
Growl you feel me like, and I feel like this
ship is important. I do think that, you know what,
they might as well put that in school.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But see, I'm probably the wrong person talk about with
credit because I don't funk with it, really, I really don't.
I've never really had you because, like I've I've learned
to just live in my means and and and build
bill for what I need. You know what I'm saying,
I've been blessed enough to to live off the LIBB
(28:01):
that way. You know what I'm saying, Like I haven't
and I haven't checked my I haven't checked my credit
score in about ten years because I haven't had to.
You know what I'm saying, I haven't had no reason to. Now,
I'm not saying like people shouldn't use credit, but for
me and a lot of people I know that have
used it, are they like, you got some people that
(28:22):
use it for the right reason, but a lot of
people they like saying, a lot of people is using
the credit shit and they fucked up because they bit
off more than they can cheer, you know what I'm saying.
And that's where they fuck up because you think, all right, shit,
I can get a mortgage for thirty years and such
and such and something gonna happen. What if something happened,
like say Fan's like if I get like this shit
(28:42):
happened with me when I got hit by cars, I
almost died, and that chill for you. I couldn't work
for a year, And if I had a mortgage, I
would have been fucked up. Say if I had a
twenty thousand dollars mortgage, I would have been fucked up.
You know what I'm saying. I would have been trying
to scramb or do shit I ain't want to do,
you know what I'm saying. So I've never wanted to
be like that. But some people they smart with credit,
(29:05):
you know what I'm saying. But I'm not. I'm I'm
really just simple with everything in life. I keep shit simple.
And by keeping shit simple, I don't have that much obligation.
Like I don't want a million dollar credit line. I
don't want none of that. Ship I can make a million,
you see what I'm saying. And that's always seen everything
(29:26):
in life. So that's that's how I look at credit.
But that's why I say, I'm probably not the person
to talk to you about credit, you know, cause Ship
they get mad at me about He's soooo it is.
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
But I get why some people use it though, because
I mean, everybody won't have. Everybody not blessed enough to
(29:47):
have the money off the top. But in our business,
we're able to get money a lot of this at
a lump summer, at a quick time, so we could
do shit like that. Well, we don't need as credit
as everybody else. So that's why I don't see like
people like us while we sold unless it's just something
that you just want to get for twenty million dollars.
(30:09):
Now you're putting yourself in a hole. You get what
I'm saying, not fit but on this but on this
level where we can build that you can get your
shit off of what you what you make off of
show money, you know what I'm saying, What you make
off of your album stream, what you make off of publishing.
You know what I'm saying. Shit, you can make it. Yeah,
that's your credit right there. It's been working shit, Yeah,
(30:30):
that's your credit right there. I feel it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
How do you exist the y'all space without trying to
be like everybody else?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I think it's always instilled to me just from day one.
I always was a trailblazer more so than just wanted
to always wanted to do the next thing. Always wanted
to be the first, always wanted to try something else,
you know what I'm saying. So God Like, I feel
like you're counting the same way too, you know what
I'm saying. So so by me being that way, I'm
(31:02):
programmed that way. I get when I see everybody else
doing it, I don't want to do it no more.
That's what took me so long to do podcasts, you
know what I'm saying, is because once you see everybody
do it, you're just like, all right, I don't want
to do it, you know what I'm saying. But but
at the same time, I seen there was there was
a space that needs to be that needs to be
(31:24):
to be be open. You know what I'm saying, I
be addressed. So that's why I came in, you know
what I'm saying. I felt like, if you don't like,
if you see a problem in something, either fix it
or shut the fuck up. That's why I'm in the
podcast game now.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It's how I think, that's how you think you do that.
And then if I'm gonna I'll be like, damn everybody
doing it. But then I'd be like, if I do it,
I'm gonna have to try to do something, it's gonna
have to be something unique about it.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, and that's how you gotta do it. You
just want to make it unique or make it simple.
And that's why we came over with this is just
something simple and understanding and try to give a different perspective,
because I mean, people know me for comedy. People might
know me for music, people are like over for social media.
It might know me from other things, but they don't
know me from just being a person. Get that can
(32:16):
give sounded perspective. You know what I'm saying. I don't
like to say I give like a be a guru
guru or some shit, but like I'd just like to
give simple advice. You know what I'm saying. Don't take
much to figure shit out. You know, sometimes we overthink,
especially in this industry and his life. You know what
I'm saying. In this game, when you're trying to make
it to the next level, it feel empty, feels like shit,
(32:39):
I don't know where I'm gonna go now. Because you
understand how the industry is, and you understand how fickle
people are. You trying to figure it out, you know
what I'm saying, But you have to understand how to
have peace through all that, because otherwise you'll go crazy
and start getting better. You don't want to be that
old better nigga and this shit because I know a
lot of old better motherfuckers in it. You know what
I'm saying. It's easy to become that, you know what
(33:00):
I'm saying. So I don't never That's why you tell
the earliest like these niggas scared of me? Who gives
the fun if they scared of you? Fuckle? You know
what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna give him something to
be scared of if they're scared, not wait till I
really I'm gonna show him book a book, a book,
a boob. But fuck, you know what I'm saying. So
(33:21):
that's how I held the ship, you know. All right,
let me ask you a question. What's your end game
in life?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Like what you mean by that? Like?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
All right, We'll make you two questions in your career
and the life at who you is as a person,
where you where you want to see yourself as a person,
Where you see yourself at sixty five.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Mm sixty five, I see myself living like John Dunn't
yellow start like that?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
But I'm so bad coming out with a new one.
But yeah, I see my man, see myself living like that,
not without a bullshit, you know what I'm saying, But
you know, laying But.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Just like he said, bullshit come with ship when you
pretrying to protect your ship.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah that's true. That's true. But you know what
I'm saying. But uh, I like peace. I'm gonna be
a I'm a peaceful nigga. I like to chill out.
You know what I'm saying. You get some head and
or the woo woo.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
You feel me? So are you doing that? Now? Are
you preparing yourself now? Because in order to be that,
come tell you about this age ship coming from old
nigga myself. That shit come like this nigga. You looking
back like that, damnit?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah six to five yeah fact.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
But but the thing is you have to you have
to like program yourself now just like now you everything
you are now is but what you started when you
said when you were a jit, a super jit at
six years old. So in order to wanted to be
that person that you said, I want to be like
done't you gotta be that done right now? Yeah? That's
(35:03):
all I do right now I prepare myself to be
old pop pop nigga. Look at the show. My show
is this nigga. Yeah, so you gotta prepare yourself, you
know what I'm saying. So that's how you do that shit. Man.
But that's all man, that's I appreciate you coming on
the show.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Man.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I hope I gave you some game. Man. I hope
you get some insight on life. If I didn't, that's
on you, nigga. So thank y'all for tuning the man.
Y'all tune in next week on The Black Effect Me
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