November 30, 2021 • 32 mins
29 year-old lawyer, Ryan Poston, seemed to have it all, friends, a loving family, good looks and he was starting his own law firm, the world was his oyster. When he spotted photos of 19 year-old college student, Shayna Hubers on his cousin’s Facebook page. Ryan’s interest was piqued, a connection was made, and a tumultuous year long rollercoaster of a relationship ensued that would soon have Ryan wishing he had kept on scrolling.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Crazy and Love is the true crime podcast that tells
love stories with a twist. Which started as a quick
Facebook hook up turned into a year long, steamy relationship,
sometimes the twist of a knife. I mean she didn't
just shoot him once in self time. She shot him
six times which in the end, but do his death.
Just because things start off with once upon a time
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doesn't mean everyone lives happily ever after. This is Crazy
and Love, a production of Katie Studios and I Heart Radio.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a true crime producer at Katie Studios,
joined by fellow producers Stephanie Ledecker, Beth Greenwald, and Chris Graves.
We're exploring the story of the lawyer, the honor student,
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and long distance love gone wrong. Twenty nine year old
Ryan Poston was a successful and handsome lawyer who ran
his own firm in Cincinnati. He was well educated, well traveled,
and from a prominent Kentucky family. He was the guy
who was never at a loss when it came to women,
and he also liked his guns. Nineteen year old Shana
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Hubers was a brunette beauty who was described by friends
as smart and driven. She graduated from the University of
Kentucky and three years was a Deanslist student and was
pursuing her master's degree in school counseling. Shana was also
a middle class girl with big dreams. Ryan met Shana
on Facebook through Ryan's cousin, who was a mutual friend.
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What started off as a first date ended up being
a year and a half long distance relationship. Over the
course of the relationship, they exchanged to staggering fifty thousand
text messages. Franca their relationship was very on again, off
again and described it as volatile. For Shana, the romance
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was always on, whereas Ryan tried several times to break
up with her, but Shana would cry and Ryan didn't
want to hurt her, so he held on until he couldn't.
Ryan's this, you know, twenty nine year old, really good
looking guy. He's lived all over the world and got
to private school. He's got a pretty well off family,
and he's come up the ranks in a law firm.
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He he graduated from law school and then went off
to start his own law firm. But one day he's
hanging out with his cousin and they're looking at her
Facebook and he spots this young woman who's super attracted
to and the cousins like, oh, this is my friend
Shane of Hubers and introduces them over Facebook. This is
a perfectly relatable love story. If you meet online, it's
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also a vetted person. You know, Ryan is meeting somebody
through his cousin, and so you can imagine these two
people start chatting on Facebook. We all curate our pages,
so they probably saw all the best pictures of each other,
got pretty fairly attracted to each other quickly, and I
think within a month or so they've been they met
in person, and she was nineteen. I think at the
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time it just blossomed into this really kind of hot
and heavy relation and ship. For the start, even though
they lived about ninety minutes apart, they were really committed
to seeing each other and getting know each other and
like seeing where the relationship could go. Ryan's practice was
up and running and Shana was really ambitious, but she
was still in school. So I think the two places
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they were in in life were really different. Ten years
difference in life experience. So I mean that speaks to
just about every category of how they were living and
who they were at that point in their lives. Yeah,
I mean obviously the age gap is I think some
people would say not ideal, but I think we've accepted
that love doesn't necessarily know an aig because he was
mostly in Cincinnati and she was at school. It was
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two hours away, so yeah, I mean it's it's not
a huge distance, but it's long enough that they weren't
necessarily with each other every day. I actually been doing
research on long distance relationships and have found that certain
long distance relationships actually build a stronger base than the
same city couples because you really are relying more on
communication and you really have to be committed to it.
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So for Ryan and Shane, and this could have been
like a really nice starting point to their relationship because
they really had to want it to make it happen.
Be on and off again nature of this relationship, there
had to be issues and it seemed like she was
very clean. Yeah, she couldn't get enough of him, but
it sounded like he kind of got tired of her
before she got tired of him. A friend of his
was was talking about how he was sending him texts
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about how he wanted out of the relationship, but he
wasn't sure how to get out of it. I would
think her age probably had something to do with that.
She would text him repeatedly and he was out there
working and wouldn't have time to respond, and I think
that added a lot of fuel to the fire of
why he wasn't responding. And it seems like she would
really spin out of control when he didn't respond or
she didn't get what she wanted, Yeah, which to me
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sounds like someone who's pretty immature. Well, what also spoke
to some of that was Shana's behaviors with Ryan's social media.
Shanna would hacken to Ryan's Facebook and she would delete
attractive young women, are really anyone that she was feeling
jealous of from his Facebook account, and she would even
send messages to others. And that's crossing all sorts of
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kind of lines like very territorial, very possessive behavior. Yeah.
I mean, I personally wouldn't know how to handle that
if someone was doing that to me. And it sounds
like Ryan was getting to that point too. I mean
he texted his cousin this is getting to restraining order
level crazy. It doesn't sound like he was a fan
of what she was up to, you know, would even
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mention a restraining order. I mean, this was a new
relationship where it's supposed to be, you know, loving bells
and swooning, and and instead Ryan was more or less
being stopped. And you know, I understand him not wanting
to hurt Shane his feelings. I mean, he's a good guy,
and I think with her mind and the way that
things were working for her, it just caused her to
spin out even further. Nowadays, everyone in this ghosting everyone.
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So the fact that he was even just trying to
communicate with her speaks volumes to his character. But I
think also from Shane's point of view, which she doesn't
want to lose this relationship and she feels far away
from him, and so maybe she thinks that she fights
for it. He might see it differently. Also, according to
one of Shana's high school friends, she had a really
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long history of being extremely jealous and she would get
extremely upset when boys broke up with her in a
way that is, you know, considered a little extreme. So
maybe there was a little bit of a history there,
and that's a very scary feeling when you feel like
someone's not taking a hint and they keep wanting more.
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Even his father had a couple of stories. One was
that he met with Shana to tell her that he
wanted her to leave Brian alone and to get out
of his house. Um, I do know. Ryan showed up
at his dad's house and told him can I stay here?
I can't get her out of my house. And the
Dad's like, just it's your house, ask her to leave,
and he's like, this is just easier. I mean, that's
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a person who's it sounds like he's out of options
with trying to reason with someone. The father told that
night that Rand state in court. He said, all night long,
all I heard was Ryan's phone going off and it
was texting from her. And the police testified that there
was fifty to a hundred thousand text messages from China
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and that for every hundred messages from her, that be
one from him. In response, I imagine Shana probably was
feeling increasingly frustrated, and I think that's a totally normal
thing to feel. And what do you do when you
feel annoyed with someone who starts talking the more and
then it's kind of stumbles from there. Shana would have
had three ways if he would post more pictures of
him in China together on his social media, and that's
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twisted and it's manipulative, and it really speaks to Shana's
state of mind and how desperate she was to try
to hold onto Ryan. So you know what's crazy is
is that Ryan's father, Um, he'd actually met with Shana
because she was, you know, his son was having trouble
breaking this relationship and he didn't think it was healthy,
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and he met with learned to tell her to leave
his son alone and to get out of his house.
I mean, that's a pretty high level thing to do
from a parent. Right On October eleventh, two thousand and twelve,
Shanah had dinner with Ryan and his parents. The couple
returned to Ryan's condo later that evening and there was
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an explosive argument. Ryan wanted to break up with Shana
and see other people. Shana did not feel the same.
Shana found out that Ryan had lined up a date
with a former Miss Ohio for the following evening. Nonetheless,
Shana and Ryan spent the night together at Ryan's house.
At three am, Shanna called her mother, completely distraught. Her
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mother drove to Highland Heights from Lexington, which was a
ninety minute drive, and ended up at Ryan's condo. At
five thirty am, Ryan awoke to see Shana and her
mother and his condo. It was at this point that
Shanna complained of chest pains and her mother took her
to a local hospital. She underwent an e k G
and later texted Ryan with a list of her medications.
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So mom took Shane it to the hospital, and Shana
was texting Ryan, you know, basically trying to get attention, UM,
I have this heart disease and then need all these medications.
And what later came to be ab all that that
she was googling these conditions and the medications and texting
it to Ryan although she never went to the doctor
right That came out later she told him she'd gone
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to the doctor, but she actually hadn't. She was trying
to engender sympathy from him again because she knew he
wanted to break up with her, so she was making
up an ailment that she thought might attach himself to
her for longer because he didn't want to leave a
woman who was sick again. She was playing on his sympathies.
The next day, on October twelve, Shannah returned to Ryan's
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condo unannounced as he was getting ready for his state.
She grabbed one of Ryan's guns, a semi automatic pistol,
and shot him. Then she called nine one one. Here's
an excerpt from the call, Chemic killing nine on one man,
I killed my boyfriend and self the what did you
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kill him? With? God alone? Gun in the house. I
can tell me where the gun is right now. I
laid it on the book. Where are you? I don't
say any about Okay, are you sure that he is dead?
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He's completely done. Someone's outside almost right now, but on
the same line with you, okayam. And then because he
was quitting it anyway, he was gonna die anyway, and
he was making money going to the saw more time
because I knew he would have been. I'm sorry you
had you shot him a couple more times after that. Yeah.
How many times did you shoot him total? I don't know. Okay,
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because he was twitching and you know he's gonna die,
he shot him again. Because he was twitching, you shot
him instead of calling nine on one. Yeah, I mean
she didn't just shoot him once in self defense. She
shot him six times. Well, not only that, she admitted
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to it to the nine on one operator. I shot
my boyfriend with a gun. You'd think it was self defense.
And then later in the call is oh, yeah, no, no,
he was twitching. I shot him again. That's admitting to
murder in a nine one one call, even the nine
when one operator was taken aback. I mean she she
said to Shana, you shot him a couple more times
after that. If your body is twitching, that's an indication
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that you're still alive and potentially could be saved. So
she really wanted to save her boyfriend and she shot
him accidentally. There may have been some time left to
do that, right, and then she shot him six times,
So that's not just oops, I shot you. You're coming
at me, and I show you. That's overkill. And as
crime producers we see this time and time again. If
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it's a crime of passion, you are over killing someone,
which means you are making it worse than dead. You
want to make them really suffer. You want to make
a brutal, you want to make a bloody And that's
what she did, which is in self defense. It's murder.
M hmm, yeah, I mean the nine on one operator
I think kept her cool and knew not to say that.
You know what she was thinking, but also got Shana
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to elaborate. It's one of the most amazing not on
one calls I've ever heard. I think she was saying
she was being smart, but she was totally showing her
true colors in that moment without realizing it. You know,
I don't know if it was in the heat of
the moment or stupidity, or or some sort of pathology,
but you started off saying it was self defense and
then it completely spiraled into directly admitting to murder. Yeah,
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and not only that. As they do the investigation, they
come to find out that she had called her mom
before calling nine win one, so they've been fifty minutes
that transpired before she even called nine one one after
shooting Brian. This is beyond bizarre. There was a chance
for him to survive a shooting, and if it really
was self defense, Jana should have immediately called the police
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and fear of her wife, it makes zero sense. That's
enough time for him to bleed out, which I think
is what actually happened. According to the autopsy report, he
had been shot at almost every side of his body,
which would imply that at one point, you know, he's
trying to run away from her, trying to run towards her.
It doesn't scream self defense if he has it back
to her. Also, because the automatic weapon that he used
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had a safety latch that was undone, it kind of
made this crime seem a bit premeditated. Two officials. Did
she have experience with firearms? Do we know that Ryan
would take her and teach her how to shoot at
the firing range. She actually had a text exchange with
a friend from the firing range that said something really effective,
I want to shoot him or she said she was
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so infuriated with Ryan and the on again and off
again that she wanted to shoot him while at the
firing range and make it seem like an accident. It
was his gun. He teaches her how to shoot this gun,
and then she uses his own gun to kill him,
basically brutal. Apparently the night that he died, Ryan carried
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the gun as he did every day, and when he
entered the condo put it casually on his dining room table.
The amount of times that he was shot again six times,
speaks to the fact that's anger, that is rage, that's
I want this person dead. Not only that's close range
at his head is at least one of them. That
speaks to motivation that is backed by rage. People don't
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shoot people at close range in the face unless there's
some emotion behind it. Generally, we're going to take a
quick break. We'll be back in a moment. I know
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that he had had a tough day at work, you know,
because he's starting his practice. But he had made a
date with this Miss Ohio person, so he was gonna
go get ready and when he got home, that's when
he did. She showed up or was she already there.
This is where it gets a little murky and it's
hard to know what to lean into. One version of
this is that Ryan called Shana that night and said
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he wasn't going to see her that weekend, and that
she found out on her own that he had this date.
And and maybe it's because she'd been hacking into his
social media, but basically Ryan was saying, I can't see
you this weekend. But then she found out He's going
to meet this woman who is Miss Ohio. He never
made it to meet her. She went to the restaurant
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and Ryan never showed up. In Shana claims that he
got enraged with her and picked her up and threw
her at the couch, and that she felt she was
scared for her life. Um, and this this story changes
five million ways, like how he was violent with her,
and also I think her story differs a couple of
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ways of how she shot him. Like some of us
he's on the ground, some of it he's standing up,
and of course the trajectory will tell you how he is,
you know. So, Yeah, they got into this altercation and
they resulted in her picking up his gun from the table.
The police found Ryan dead on the dining room floor
and brought Shana in for questioning. After reading her her rights,
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Shannah requested a lawyer, but despite calling that lawyer, she
rambled on about the incident and her relationship with Ryan.
Shannah claimed he was abusive and she's talked and she
talked to officers for over three hours. Here's a portion
of that interrogation. There's able m where hey you yes,
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h yeah. So that was directly from Shana's uh interrogation,
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and that first part. I know, it's a little hard
to hear because the quality of these things oftentimes isn't
the greatest. You know, it's it's a police interrogation room.
But the first part, she's acknowledging that she shot him.
She's sitting there and she's talking about she's shot Ryan
and that it's painful for her, and then that she
goes around the table to shoot him again to make
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sure he's dead. Then later in the interrogation, she's left
alone and she starts singing amazing grace and about being
a wretch that saved. And right around after that she
also kind of is dancing around and goes, yep, I
did it. It's a pretty startling interrogation. I've seen very
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few that are this we kind of shocking. It's kind
of similar to the Jody Aris case and how she
behaved in the interrogation room into saying amazing grace after
you've murdered your boyfriend. Yeah, it's Jody. As she writes up,
she was doing headstands in the integration room, and this
speaks to that it's someone who just feels like they
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are untouchable or don't care, or completely mentally removed from
the situation. I don't know, but yeah, it definitely does
not look good for Shane now Sane and Humors. Actually,
it was referred to as the Kentucky Jodi Arias. They
say that sometimes when a person is being interrogated, they
do things like that as a means to kind of
ease some of their anxiety, and then it manifests its
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way in a very strange, odd manner. On the flip
of that, it just seems straight up callous. I mean,
from the nine on one tapes where she's hysterical and
crying and claiming Ryan was trying to kill her, to
what was in that interrogation tapes where Shane is singing
and dancing. Shannon was just talking and it didn't make
any sense. She also changed her story because in the
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NIME on one call, SHANEA said she grabbed the gun
out of Ryan's hands. When she was being interrogated, She
said Ryan grabbed the gun from the table. Her demeanor
was certainly during the begin with, but now simple details
of what happened or not was inconsistent. I don't have
another word other than shocking to hear a person how
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deeply she's digging a hole for herself, and you realize
from her demeanor that she doesn't think she is, she
doesn't know what she's saying, and how much trouble she's
going to be in for for saying it you just
killed your boyfriend and just told the police a couple
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of different times in a couple of different ways that
you did it, and didn't keep your story straight about
how you did it. Those are all red flags for
investigators to somebody being guilty of premeditated murder. And even
if it wasn't premeditated, if it was crime of passion,
it's still murder. And bottom line is she had just
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also found out that he was going to be going
on a date with another woman, and she was just
jealous and she went into a rage and killed him.
So now she's saying he's abusive and saying terrible things
about him, you know, after he's gone and unable to
defend himself. You know, we've all been on again, off
again relationships like that. Sure, but I think the fact
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that Ryan was about to go on this date was
a for all that broke the camel's back and that
maybe this time Ryan really meant it was over right
he she was going to lose to Miss Ohio. It
should be noted for the record, all these people are
extremely good looking. It just adds at least intrigue to this,
Like they all look like they're Abacrombie models. They sure do.
Like yeah, straight out of a J Crew catalog. I mean,
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Shana is beautiful, and again, it's hard to imagine that
somebody who has this much going for her, including a
very close relationship with her own mother, has her whole
life ahead of her. Why she would throw it away?
This was the way out, this was the best answer. Well,
I wonder, because she was so beautiful, did she think
that she could manipulate the system and the police officers
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into thinking that it was what she said it was? Yes,
I think that's exactly what it was. I think she
thought she could manipulate people that she was too smart
to not be believed. Could definitely see it was an
emotional situation, and obviously, you know, Shana was tremendously effective,
but not in the right way. You know, Shana was
of wishing things would have gone down differently. You know,
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I believe she even said something I shot his nose off.
He was so vain. He always wanted to know his job,
and I just gave him one. You know, Shana originally
stated she wanted to talk to an attorney, but she
did not stop talking, and they literally had a rotation
of officers that would go in because they couldn't handle
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it anymore. They would tag out, and then another officer
went and you know, she talked about she wanted to
know she there were showers in prison, and is anyone
gonna want to marry her because of this? I mean,
she shot and killed her boyfriend in self defense and
it was all me, me, me, me, and every officer
that went in that room could only stand it for
a limited amount of time and literally rotated in and out.
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There is something that we haven't actually touched. And I
do think there's a great deal in narcissism when it
comes to her. And I know that one of the
police also said she thought she was too smart to
get caught, that everyone would believe her story, and that
there was no way she would end up in jail.
I'm right, look at me, look at the situation I'm in.
Please believe me, so you don't send me to jail.
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You look at this, and you see Ryan, who seems
to be from all accounts, a pretty nice guy. She's
not going to listen to know and she's going to
get to the point where it's either her or he's dead.
Shana was indicted from murder in December of and bail
was set at five million dollars. She waited in jail
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for two and a half years after Ryan's death for
her case to go to trial. Her defense domestic abuse,
Shana was sentenced to forty years in prison and eligible
for parole in twenty years. The judge was not a
fan of Shana and informed her that he did not
believe she was a victim of domestic abuse. The case
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seemed closed up tight, but four months later Shanna appealed
her conviction. Turns out one of the jurors at her
trial was a convicted felon, and in the state of Kentucky,
felons are not allowed to sit on a jury. So
in August, with her attorney maintaining that Shana had been abused,
she took the stand in her second child. In her
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first trial, she didn't testify in her own defense. Well, yeah,
and that's normal. It's normal for someone, you know, for
murder to not go to the stand and testify because
you can. You can say things up there to the
prosecutor that your defense attorney might not want you to say. Right,
and she decides she took your idea to put herself understand.
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Of course she does, because she's a complete narcissist. Can
we get the actual definition of that. Narcissism is extreme
self involvement to the degree that it makes a person
ignore the needs of those around them. Well, everyone may
show occasional narcissistic behavior. True narcissists frequently disregard others for
their feelings. They also do not understand the effect that
their behavior has on other people. So oftentimes we've seen
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from a forensic standpoint, people who are able to to
commit murder oftentimes or narcissists because they don't really have empathy.
Symptoms include an excessive need for admiration, which Shana had,
disregard for other feelings, which Shanna clearly had, and an
inability to handle any criticism, and a sense of entitlement.
All things Shana seemed to embody and none of us
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sort of medical professionals. But if you just look at
those things, she definitely is looking like narcissist. Let's stop
here for another quick break. In that second trial, she
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talked about her first date with Ryan supposedly and how
she felt unsafe with him, and then she later This
is directly from the transcript she wrote, I thought, even
is going to stamp my neck because of the way
he was jerking my head around, and he had all
of his weight on me, and he was jerking my
head around with his hand in my hair, which was
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not mentioned at all prior to this testimony, not in
her interrogation, not in the nine one one call. It
was never mentioned that he grabbed her by the head
and jerked her around. What she said was that he
picked her up and threw her into the couch. So again,
all she's doing is digging a hole because she's bringing
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up stuff that she never talked about before. I remember
that they also discussed, uh, if things had gone down
the way Shana said they had. You know, Ryan had
this shelving unit with all sorts of you know, books
and pictures and smoking pipes, and there was nothing knocked over.
So if there was a physical struggle like Shana had claimed,
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which I believe was at the first travel, you know,
these items would have been scattered all over the room
and they were perfectly placed, ending up on their own,
so she really had no leg to stand off. I
remember the cops saying that to them. They walked in
that apartment and it did not at all look like
an altercation. It happened because everything seemed to be in
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its place, even if it was messy. And actually a
messy apartment is kind of the best marker of a
fight happening because everything goes everywhere. When a fight happens,
you know, it's all over the floor, it's whatever, right,
None of that was true in this crime scene. The
other thing that came out when she came up on
the stand was um that I found really kind of
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bizarre was her description after she shot Ryan the first time.
This is a direct quote from her. She said, when
he was first shot, he let out a really loud
noise that sounded like an animal. It sounded like a bear,
some type of wild animal. That that that really freaked
me out. Again, it's back to her and how it
affects her. She's just shot another human being and she
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is freaked out. When I was reviewing all the transcripts
of the trial and hearing Jane's testimony, I was wondering
that that leaves the door open to a lot of
different types of questions. But in the first trial they
didn't put Shane on the stand. Her interrogation, and even
in the second trials. The things she says is totally
based on how this affected her, her perspective and ultimately,
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you know, in trying to peg herself as a victim
when there's no evidence of that. Yeah, she does sound
very cruel in those moments. What came out in court
is the prosecution brought up one of her selmates and
the sell mate was like, well, I'm doing this because
I think the family deserves justice, meaning Ryan's family, and
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the defensive Trenitty is like, that's why you're doing it,
and he's he's, you know, kind of badgering her, and
then he goes, so, so you've made up your mind
that she shot him, And she goes, well, yeah, when
somebody tells me that they shot him in the face,
then yeah, I believe them. And that's what she did.
Apparently Shana told her selmate that she shot Ryan in
the face. That's not very smart. You know, Shana laughed
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about it. I mean, it wasn't like she was, you know,
talking about what she was in prison for stoic and sorrowful. Uh.
You know, I think Shama thought that she could plead
she was abused and she was battered and sell this
and beyond the fact that she was she was brilliant,
She thought she was good looking. She was going to
tell the story and just sell it, and I don't
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think for a second chain and realized that other people,
I mean, this is someone else who was incarcerated, who agreed,
and no one was. None of the people from jail
testified against her or got anything to return. They were
just trying to tell the truth. And it made it
look even worse than the first trial. Yeah, and then
apparently boasting that she's as smart as Einstein to them.
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Something tells me she was not very popular. If all
of these cellmates were in prison, people in prison were
testifying against her. She didn't do herself many favors in prison.
In the second trial, they put a lot of focus
about their sex life and the fact Shana said Ryan
would get mad when she didn't climax during sex um
and that they would have rough sex. I mean, this
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was days upon days of testimony about their sex life.
I wonder with Shanna trying to put this in the
spotlight and make it salacious in some way to distract
from what this was really about, which was Ryan's murder.
You know, Shana loved this person, and if they had
an evolved relationship and she ended up killing him, there
would be some remorse somewhere in all of this. But
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it really seems to be shanea thumbing her knows that
the process and at the laws and everything else that
she was gonna, you know, get out of it. It's
that this pretty girl that gets to sort of float
through all of those scenarios, even in prison, is sort
of applauded because how could a pretty girl be in prison?
How could a pretty girl do bad things? Yeah, we've
seen it time and time again that people favor people
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who are good looking. So Shanna's cell made Cecily Miller
testified against Shana at the second trial and that Sanna
would incessantly share that she was a good actress and
that she did it, but she was going to get
away with it. Well, yeah, she had a lot of
stories for Cecily, and I think this goes back to
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her narcissism. In the second trial, I think they were
going to try to set this up as a temporary
and sanity type of thing, but I don't think she
could help herself. It's true. I think she was too
smart for her own good, or she thought she was
too smart for her own good. The second trial also
didn't end in Shana's favor. She was once again convicted
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of murder and received a life sentence. She's being held
at the Kentucky Correctional Institute for Women under medium security.
She's eligible for parole on September. Crazy in Love is
produced by Stephanie Laie Decker, Beth Greenwald, Chris Graves, Lisa
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Crazy and Love is the true crime podcast that tells
love stories with a twist. Which started as a quick
Facebook hook up turned into a year long, steamy relationship,
sometimes the twist of a knife. I mean she didn't
just shoot him once in self time. She shot him
six times which in the end, but do his death.
Just because things start off with once upon a time
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doesn't mean everyone lives happily ever after. This is Crazy
and Love, a production of Katie Studios and I Heart Radio.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a true crime producer at Katie Studios,
joined by fellow producers Stephanie Ledecker, Beth Greenwald, and Chris Graves.
We're exploring the story of the lawyer, the honor student,
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and long distance love gone wrong. Twenty nine year old
Ryan Poston was a successful and handsome lawyer who ran
his own firm in Cincinnati. He was well educated, well traveled,
and from a prominent Kentucky family. He was the guy
who was never at a loss when it came to women,
and he also liked his guns. Nineteen year old Shana
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Hubers was a brunette beauty who was described by friends
as smart and driven. She graduated from the University of
Kentucky and three years was a Deanslist student and was
pursuing her master's degree in school counseling. Shana was also
a middle class girl with big dreams. Ryan met Shana
on Facebook through Ryan's cousin, who was a mutual friend.
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What started off as a first date ended up being
a year and a half long distance relationship. Over the
course of the relationship, they exchanged to staggering fifty thousand
text messages. Franca their relationship was very on again, off
again and described it as volatile. For Shana, the romance
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was always on, whereas Ryan tried several times to break
up with her, but Shana would cry and Ryan didn't
want to hurt her, so he held on until he couldn't.
Ryan's this, you know, twenty nine year old, really good
looking guy. He's lived all over the world and got
to private school. He's got a pretty well off family,
and he's come up the ranks in a law firm.
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He he graduated from law school and then went off
to start his own law firm. But one day he's
hanging out with his cousin and they're looking at her
Facebook and he spots this young woman who's super attracted
to and the cousins like, oh, this is my friend
Shane of Hubers and introduces them over Facebook. This is
a perfectly relatable love story. If you meet online, it's
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also a vetted person. You know, Ryan is meeting somebody
through his cousin, and so you can imagine these two
people start chatting on Facebook. We all curate our pages,
so they probably saw all the best pictures of each other,
got pretty fairly attracted to each other quickly, and I
think within a month or so they've been they met
in person, and she was nineteen. I think at the
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time it just blossomed into this really kind of hot
and heavy relation and ship. For the start, even though
they lived about ninety minutes apart, they were really committed
to seeing each other and getting know each other and
like seeing where the relationship could go. Ryan's practice was
up and running and Shana was really ambitious, but she
was still in school. So I think the two places
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they were in in life were really different. Ten years
difference in life experience. So I mean that speaks to
just about every category of how they were living and
who they were at that point in their lives. Yeah,
I mean obviously the age gap is I think some
people would say not ideal, but I think we've accepted
that love doesn't necessarily know an aig because he was
mostly in Cincinnati and she was at school. It was
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two hours away, so yeah, I mean it's it's not
a huge distance, but it's long enough that they weren't
necessarily with each other every day. I actually been doing
research on long distance relationships and have found that certain
long distance relationships actually build a stronger base than the
same city couples because you really are relying more on
communication and you really have to be committed to it.
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So for Ryan and Shane, and this could have been
like a really nice starting point to their relationship because
they really had to want it to make it happen.
Be on and off again nature of this relationship, there
had to be issues and it seemed like she was
very clean. Yeah, she couldn't get enough of him, but
it sounded like he kind of got tired of her
before she got tired of him. A friend of his
was was talking about how he was sending him texts
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about how he wanted out of the relationship, but he
wasn't sure how to get out of it. I would
think her age probably had something to do with that.
She would text him repeatedly and he was out there
working and wouldn't have time to respond, and I think
that added a lot of fuel to the fire of
why he wasn't responding. And it seems like she would
really spin out of control when he didn't respond or
she didn't get what she wanted, Yeah, which to me
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sounds like someone who's pretty immature. Well, what also spoke
to some of that was Shana's behaviors with Ryan's social media.
Shanna would hacken to Ryan's Facebook and she would delete
attractive young women, are really anyone that she was feeling
jealous of from his Facebook account, and she would even
send messages to others. And that's crossing all sorts of
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kind of lines like very territorial, very possessive behavior. Yeah.
I mean, I personally wouldn't know how to handle that
if someone was doing that to me. And it sounds
like Ryan was getting to that point too. I mean
he texted his cousin this is getting to restraining order
level crazy. It doesn't sound like he was a fan
of what she was up to, you know, would even
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mention a restraining order. I mean, this was a new
relationship where it's supposed to be, you know, loving bells
and swooning, and and instead Ryan was more or less
being stopped. And you know, I understand him not wanting
to hurt Shane his feelings. I mean, he's a good guy,
and I think with her mind and the way that
things were working for her, it just caused her to
spin out even further. Nowadays, everyone in this ghosting everyone.
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So the fact that he was even just trying to
communicate with her speaks volumes to his character. But I
think also from Shane's point of view, which she doesn't
want to lose this relationship and she feels far away
from him, and so maybe she thinks that she fights
for it. He might see it differently. Also, according to
one of Shana's high school friends, she had a really
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long history of being extremely jealous and she would get
extremely upset when boys broke up with her in a
way that is, you know, considered a little extreme. So
maybe there was a little bit of a history there,
and that's a very scary feeling when you feel like
someone's not taking a hint and they keep wanting more.
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Even his father had a couple of stories. One was
that he met with Shana to tell her that he
wanted her to leave Brian alone and to get out
of his house. Um, I do know. Ryan showed up
at his dad's house and told him can I stay here?
I can't get her out of my house. And the
Dad's like, just it's your house, ask her to leave,
and he's like, this is just easier. I mean, that's
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a person who's it sounds like he's out of options
with trying to reason with someone. The father told that
night that Rand state in court. He said, all night long,
all I heard was Ryan's phone going off and it
was texting from her. And the police testified that there
was fifty to a hundred thousand text messages from China
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and that for every hundred messages from her, that be
one from him. In response, I imagine Shana probably was
feeling increasingly frustrated, and I think that's a totally normal
thing to feel. And what do you do when you
feel annoyed with someone who starts talking the more and
then it's kind of stumbles from there. Shana would have
had three ways if he would post more pictures of
him in China together on his social media, and that's
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twisted and it's manipulative, and it really speaks to Shana's
state of mind and how desperate she was to try
to hold onto Ryan. So you know what's crazy is
is that Ryan's father, Um, he'd actually met with Shana
because she was, you know, his son was having trouble
breaking this relationship and he didn't think it was healthy,
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and he met with learned to tell her to leave
his son alone and to get out of his house.
I mean, that's a pretty high level thing to do
from a parent. Right On October eleventh, two thousand and twelve,
Shanah had dinner with Ryan and his parents. The couple
returned to Ryan's condo later that evening and there was
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an explosive argument. Ryan wanted to break up with Shana
and see other people. Shana did not feel the same.
Shana found out that Ryan had lined up a date
with a former Miss Ohio for the following evening. Nonetheless,
Shana and Ryan spent the night together at Ryan's house.
At three am, Shanna called her mother, completely distraught. Her
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mother drove to Highland Heights from Lexington, which was a
ninety minute drive, and ended up at Ryan's condo. At
five thirty am, Ryan awoke to see Shana and her
mother and his condo. It was at this point that
Shanna complained of chest pains and her mother took her
to a local hospital. She underwent an e k G
and later texted Ryan with a list of her medications.
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So mom took Shane it to the hospital, and Shana
was texting Ryan, you know, basically trying to get attention, UM,
I have this heart disease and then need all these medications.
And what later came to be ab all that that
she was googling these conditions and the medications and texting
it to Ryan although she never went to the doctor
right That came out later she told him she'd gone
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to the doctor, but she actually hadn't. She was trying
to engender sympathy from him again because she knew he
wanted to break up with her, so she was making
up an ailment that she thought might attach himself to
her for longer because he didn't want to leave a
woman who was sick again. She was playing on his sympathies.
The next day, on October twelve, Shannah returned to Ryan's
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condo unannounced as he was getting ready for his state.
She grabbed one of Ryan's guns, a semi automatic pistol,
and shot him. Then she called nine one one. Here's
an excerpt from the call, Chemic killing nine on one man,
I killed my boyfriend and self the what did you
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kill him? With? God alone? Gun in the house. I
can tell me where the gun is right now. I
laid it on the book. Where are you? I don't
say any about Okay, are you sure that he is dead?
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He's completely done. Someone's outside almost right now, but on
the same line with you, okayam. And then because he
was quitting it anyway, he was gonna die anyway, and
he was making money going to the saw more time
because I knew he would have been. I'm sorry you
had you shot him a couple more times after that. Yeah.
How many times did you shoot him total? I don't know. Okay,
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because he was twitching and you know he's gonna die,
he shot him again. Because he was twitching, you shot
him instead of calling nine on one. Yeah, I mean
she didn't just shoot him once in self defense. She
shot him six times. Well, not only that, she admitted
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to it to the nine on one operator. I shot
my boyfriend with a gun. You'd think it was self defense.
And then later in the call is oh, yeah, no, no,
he was twitching. I shot him again. That's admitting to
murder in a nine one one call, even the nine
when one operator was taken aback. I mean she she
said to Shana, you shot him a couple more times
after that. If your body is twitching, that's an indication
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that you're still alive and potentially could be saved. So
she really wanted to save her boyfriend and she shot
him accidentally. There may have been some time left to
do that, right, and then she shot him six times,
So that's not just oops, I shot you. You're coming
at me, and I show you. That's overkill. And as
crime producers we see this time and time again. If
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it's a crime of passion, you are over killing someone,
which means you are making it worse than dead. You
want to make them really suffer. You want to make
a brutal, you want to make a bloody And that's
what she did, which is in self defense. It's murder.
M hmm, yeah, I mean the nine on one operator
I think kept her cool and knew not to say that.
You know what she was thinking, but also got Shana
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to elaborate. It's one of the most amazing not on
one calls I've ever heard. I think she was saying
she was being smart, but she was totally showing her
true colors in that moment without realizing it. You know,
I don't know if it was in the heat of
the moment or stupidity, or or some sort of pathology,
but you started off saying it was self defense and
then it completely spiraled into directly admitting to murder. Yeah,
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and not only that. As they do the investigation, they
come to find out that she had called her mom
before calling nine win one, so they've been fifty minutes
that transpired before she even called nine one one after
shooting Brian. This is beyond bizarre. There was a chance
for him to survive a shooting, and if it really
was self defense, Jana should have immediately called the police
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and fear of her wife, it makes zero sense. That's
enough time for him to bleed out, which I think
is what actually happened. According to the autopsy report, he
had been shot at almost every side of his body,
which would imply that at one point, you know, he's
trying to run away from her, trying to run towards her.
It doesn't scream self defense if he has it back
to her. Also, because the automatic weapon that he used
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had a safety latch that was undone, it kind of
made this crime seem a bit premeditated. Two officials. Did
she have experience with firearms? Do we know that Ryan
would take her and teach her how to shoot at
the firing range. She actually had a text exchange with
a friend from the firing range that said something really effective,
I want to shoot him or she said she was
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so infuriated with Ryan and the on again and off
again that she wanted to shoot him while at the
firing range and make it seem like an accident. It
was his gun. He teaches her how to shoot this gun,
and then she uses his own gun to kill him,
basically brutal. Apparently the night that he died, Ryan carried
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the gun as he did every day, and when he
entered the condo put it casually on his dining room table.
The amount of times that he was shot again six times,
speaks to the fact that's anger, that is rage, that's
I want this person dead. Not only that's close range
at his head is at least one of them. That
speaks to motivation that is backed by rage. People don't
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shoot people at close range in the face unless there's
some emotion behind it. Generally, we're going to take a
quick break. We'll be back in a moment. I know
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that he had had a tough day at work, you know,
because he's starting his practice. But he had made a
date with this Miss Ohio person, so he was gonna
go get ready and when he got home, that's when
he did. She showed up or was she already there.
This is where it gets a little murky and it's
hard to know what to lean into. One version of
this is that Ryan called Shana that night and said
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he wasn't going to see her that weekend, and that
she found out on her own that he had this date.
And and maybe it's because she'd been hacking into his
social media, but basically Ryan was saying, I can't see
you this weekend. But then she found out He's going
to meet this woman who is Miss Ohio. He never
made it to meet her. She went to the restaurant
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and Ryan never showed up. In Shana claims that he
got enraged with her and picked her up and threw
her at the couch, and that she felt she was
scared for her life. Um, and this this story changes
five million ways, like how he was violent with her,
and also I think her story differs a couple of
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ways of how she shot him. Like some of us
he's on the ground, some of it he's standing up,
and of course the trajectory will tell you how he is,
you know. So, Yeah, they got into this altercation and
they resulted in her picking up his gun from the table.
The police found Ryan dead on the dining room floor
and brought Shana in for questioning. After reading her her rights,
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Shannah requested a lawyer, but despite calling that lawyer, she
rambled on about the incident and her relationship with Ryan.
Shannah claimed he was abusive and she's talked and she
talked to officers for over three hours. Here's a portion
of that interrogation. There's able m where hey you yes,
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h yeah. So that was directly from Shana's uh interrogation,
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and that first part. I know, it's a little hard
to hear because the quality of these things oftentimes isn't
the greatest. You know, it's it's a police interrogation room.
But the first part, she's acknowledging that she shot him.
She's sitting there and she's talking about she's shot Ryan
and that it's painful for her, and then that she
goes around the table to shoot him again to make
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sure he's dead. Then later in the interrogation, she's left
alone and she starts singing amazing grace and about being
a wretch that saved. And right around after that she
also kind of is dancing around and goes, yep, I
did it. It's a pretty startling interrogation. I've seen very
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few that are this we kind of shocking. It's kind
of similar to the Jody Aris case and how she
behaved in the interrogation room into saying amazing grace after
you've murdered your boyfriend. Yeah, it's Jody. As she writes up,
she was doing headstands in the integration room, and this
speaks to that it's someone who just feels like they
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are untouchable or don't care, or completely mentally removed from
the situation. I don't know, but yeah, it definitely does
not look good for Shane now Sane and Humors. Actually,
it was referred to as the Kentucky Jodi Arias. They
say that sometimes when a person is being interrogated, they
do things like that as a means to kind of
ease some of their anxiety, and then it manifests its
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way in a very strange, odd manner. On the flip
of that, it just seems straight up callous. I mean,
from the nine on one tapes where she's hysterical and
crying and claiming Ryan was trying to kill her, to
what was in that interrogation tapes where Shane is singing
and dancing. Shannon was just talking and it didn't make
any sense. She also changed her story because in the
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NIME on one call, SHANEA said she grabbed the gun
out of Ryan's hands. When she was being interrogated, She
said Ryan grabbed the gun from the table. Her demeanor
was certainly during the begin with, but now simple details
of what happened or not was inconsistent. I don't have
another word other than shocking to hear a person how
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deeply she's digging a hole for herself, and you realize
from her demeanor that she doesn't think she is, she
doesn't know what she's saying, and how much trouble she's
going to be in for for saying it you just
killed your boyfriend and just told the police a couple
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of different times in a couple of different ways that
you did it, and didn't keep your story straight about
how you did it. Those are all red flags for
investigators to somebody being guilty of premeditated murder. And even
if it wasn't premeditated, if it was crime of passion,
it's still murder. And bottom line is she had just
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also found out that he was going to be going
on a date with another woman, and she was just
jealous and she went into a rage and killed him.
So now she's saying he's abusive and saying terrible things
about him, you know, after he's gone and unable to
defend himself. You know, we've all been on again, off
again relationships like that. Sure, but I think the fact
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that Ryan was about to go on this date was
a for all that broke the camel's back and that
maybe this time Ryan really meant it was over right
he she was going to lose to Miss Ohio. It
should be noted for the record, all these people are
extremely good looking. It just adds at least intrigue to this,
Like they all look like they're Abacrombie models. They sure do.
Like yeah, straight out of a J Crew catalog. I mean,
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Shana is beautiful, and again, it's hard to imagine that
somebody who has this much going for her, including a
very close relationship with her own mother, has her whole
life ahead of her. Why she would throw it away?
This was the way out, this was the best answer. Well,
I wonder, because she was so beautiful, did she think
that she could manipulate the system and the police officers
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into thinking that it was what she said it was? Yes,
I think that's exactly what it was. I think she
thought she could manipulate people that she was too smart
to not be believed. Could definitely see it was an
emotional situation, and obviously, you know, Shana was tremendously effective,
but not in the right way. You know, Shana was
of wishing things would have gone down differently. You know,
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I believe she even said something I shot his nose off.
He was so vain. He always wanted to know his job,
and I just gave him one. You know, Shana originally
stated she wanted to talk to an attorney, but she
did not stop talking, and they literally had a rotation
of officers that would go in because they couldn't handle
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it anymore. They would tag out, and then another officer
went and you know, she talked about she wanted to
know she there were showers in prison, and is anyone
gonna want to marry her because of this? I mean,
she shot and killed her boyfriend in self defense and
it was all me, me, me, me, and every officer
that went in that room could only stand it for
a limited amount of time and literally rotated in and out.
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There is something that we haven't actually touched. And I
do think there's a great deal in narcissism when it
comes to her. And I know that one of the
police also said she thought she was too smart to
get caught, that everyone would believe her story, and that
there was no way she would end up in jail.
I'm right, look at me, look at the situation I'm in.
Please believe me, so you don't send me to jail.
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You look at this, and you see Ryan, who seems
to be from all accounts, a pretty nice guy. She's
not going to listen to know and she's going to
get to the point where it's either her or he's dead.
Shana was indicted from murder in December of and bail
was set at five million dollars. She waited in jail
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for two and a half years after Ryan's death for
her case to go to trial. Her defense domestic abuse,
Shana was sentenced to forty years in prison and eligible
for parole in twenty years. The judge was not a
fan of Shana and informed her that he did not
believe she was a victim of domestic abuse. The case
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seemed closed up tight, but four months later Shanna appealed
her conviction. Turns out one of the jurors at her
trial was a convicted felon, and in the state of Kentucky,
felons are not allowed to sit on a jury. So
in August, with her attorney maintaining that Shana had been abused,
she took the stand in her second child. In her
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first trial, she didn't testify in her own defense. Well, yeah,
and that's normal. It's normal for someone, you know, for
murder to not go to the stand and testify because
you can. You can say things up there to the
prosecutor that your defense attorney might not want you to say. Right,
and she decides she took your idea to put herself understand.
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Of course she does, because she's a complete narcissist. Can
we get the actual definition of that. Narcissism is extreme
self involvement to the degree that it makes a person
ignore the needs of those around them. Well, everyone may
show occasional narcissistic behavior. True narcissists frequently disregard others for
their feelings. They also do not understand the effect that
their behavior has on other people. So oftentimes we've seen
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from a forensic standpoint, people who are able to to
commit murder oftentimes or narcissists because they don't really have empathy.
Symptoms include an excessive need for admiration, which Shana had,
disregard for other feelings, which Shanna clearly had, and an
inability to handle any criticism, and a sense of entitlement.
All things Shana seemed to embody and none of us
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sort of medical professionals. But if you just look at
those things, she definitely is looking like narcissist. Let's stop
here for another quick break. In that second trial, she
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talked about her first date with Ryan supposedly and how
she felt unsafe with him, and then she later This
is directly from the transcript she wrote, I thought, even
is going to stamp my neck because of the way
he was jerking my head around, and he had all
of his weight on me, and he was jerking my
head around with his hand in my hair, which was
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not mentioned at all prior to this testimony, not in
her interrogation, not in the nine one one call. It
was never mentioned that he grabbed her by the head
and jerked her around. What she said was that he
picked her up and threw her into the couch. So again,
all she's doing is digging a hole because she's bringing
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up stuff that she never talked about before. I remember
that they also discussed, uh, if things had gone down
the way Shana said they had. You know, Ryan had
this shelving unit with all sorts of you know, books
and pictures and smoking pipes, and there was nothing knocked over.
So if there was a physical struggle like Shana had claimed,
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which I believe was at the first travel, you know,
these items would have been scattered all over the room
and they were perfectly placed, ending up on their own,
so she really had no leg to stand off. I
remember the cops saying that to them. They walked in
that apartment and it did not at all look like
an altercation. It happened because everything seemed to be in
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its place, even if it was messy. And actually a
messy apartment is kind of the best marker of a
fight happening because everything goes everywhere. When a fight happens,
you know, it's all over the floor, it's whatever, right,
None of that was true in this crime scene. The
other thing that came out when she came up on
the stand was um that I found really kind of
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bizarre was her description after she shot Ryan the first time.
This is a direct quote from her. She said, when
he was first shot, he let out a really loud
noise that sounded like an animal. It sounded like a bear,
some type of wild animal. That that that really freaked
me out. Again, it's back to her and how it
affects her. She's just shot another human being and she
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is freaked out. When I was reviewing all the transcripts
of the trial and hearing Jane's testimony, I was wondering
that that leaves the door open to a lot of
different types of questions. But in the first trial they
didn't put Shane on the stand. Her interrogation, and even
in the second trials. The things she says is totally
based on how this affected her, her perspective and ultimately,
(28:22):
you know, in trying to peg herself as a victim
when there's no evidence of that. Yeah, she does sound
very cruel in those moments. What came out in court
is the prosecution brought up one of her selmates and
the sell mate was like, well, I'm doing this because
I think the family deserves justice, meaning Ryan's family, and
(28:43):
the defensive Trenitty is like, that's why you're doing it,
and he's he's, you know, kind of badgering her, and
then he goes, so, so you've made up your mind
that she shot him, And she goes, well, yeah, when
somebody tells me that they shot him in the face,
then yeah, I believe them. And that's what she did.
Apparently Shana told her selmate that she shot Ryan in
the face. That's not very smart. You know, Shana laughed
(29:07):
about it. I mean, it wasn't like she was, you know,
talking about what she was in prison for stoic and sorrowful. Uh.
You know, I think Shama thought that she could plead
she was abused and she was battered and sell this
and beyond the fact that she was she was brilliant,
She thought she was good looking. She was going to
tell the story and just sell it, and I don't
(29:27):
think for a second chain and realized that other people,
I mean, this is someone else who was incarcerated, who agreed,
and no one was. None of the people from jail
testified against her or got anything to return. They were
just trying to tell the truth. And it made it
look even worse than the first trial. Yeah, and then
apparently boasting that she's as smart as Einstein to them.
(29:48):
Something tells me she was not very popular. If all
of these cellmates were in prison, people in prison were
testifying against her. She didn't do herself many favors in prison.
In the second trial, they put a lot of focus
about their sex life and the fact Shana said Ryan
would get mad when she didn't climax during sex um
and that they would have rough sex. I mean, this
(30:10):
was days upon days of testimony about their sex life.
I wonder with Shanna trying to put this in the
spotlight and make it salacious in some way to distract
from what this was really about, which was Ryan's murder.
You know, Shana loved this person, and if they had
an evolved relationship and she ended up killing him, there
would be some remorse somewhere in all of this. But
(30:32):
it really seems to be shanea thumbing her knows that
the process and at the laws and everything else that
she was gonna, you know, get out of it. It's
that this pretty girl that gets to sort of float
through all of those scenarios, even in prison, is sort
of applauded because how could a pretty girl be in prison?
How could a pretty girl do bad things? Yeah, we've
seen it time and time again that people favor people
(30:55):
who are good looking. So Shanna's cell made Cecily Miller
testified against Shana at the second trial and that Sanna
would incessantly share that she was a good actress and
that she did it, but she was going to get
away with it. Well, yeah, she had a lot of
stories for Cecily, and I think this goes back to
(31:15):
her narcissism. In the second trial, I think they were
going to try to set this up as a temporary
and sanity type of thing, but I don't think she
could help herself. It's true. I think she was too
smart for her own good, or she thought she was
too smart for her own good. The second trial also
didn't end in Shana's favor. She was once again convicted
(31:36):
of murder and received a life sentence. She's being held
at the Kentucky Correctional Institute for Women under medium security.
She's eligible for parole on September. Crazy in Love is
produced by Stephanie Laie Decker, Beth Greenwald, Chris Graves, Lisa
(32:00):
d Giovin, Jeff Shane, Tim Hamilton, and me Courtney Armstrong.
Editing and sound designed by Jeff Twa. Additional editing by
Davy Cooper Wasser. Crazy in Love is a production of
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