November 6, 2025 • 45 mins
Psychotherapist Katie Ong calls her regular nanny, Samantha Rae Booth, when she is going to be out of town.
For two years, Booth has cared for Ong's 3-year-old without incident. Katie becomes concerned when she can't get Booth on the phone just before 8 p.m., so she calls her dad, David Ong, to go by the house and make sure everything is ok.
David Ong arrives at his daughter's Royal Oak home to check on his granddaughter, but once he arrives, he, too, goes silent. When Katie can't get her father back on the phone, she calls her brother-in-law, Douglas Smith, explains the situation, and asks if he will go to the house and see what is going on.
Smith arrives at the home at 9:25 p.m. The front door is wide open. Smith hears noises coming from the basement and calls out to the nanny.
Booth does not respond, so Smith goes down to the basement and is shocked to find Booth covered in blood in a "manic state" and David Ong lying on the floor with severe head injuries. The 83-year-old grandpa, called "the gentle giant" by his family, did everything he could to protect his granddaughter from a screwdriver attack.
Douglas Smith and his niece are sent to the hospital while first responders try to save David Ong in the basement. The elder Ong is pronounced dead on the scene in the basement.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- John Day - Criminal Defense Attorney of John Day Law
- Dr. Janie Lacy - Licensed Psychotherapist and CEO of Life Counseling Solutions, Author of "How To Heal From A Toxic Relationship: A Guide To Reclaiming Your Mental Health and Happiness," and Host of “The Resilient Professional” Podcast on YouTube; Instagram & Facebook: @JanieLacy
- Tom Green - Former Chief Deputy Washoe County Sheriff’s Office; Homicide Detective & Cold Case Squad Burglary/Fraud Detective; Private Investigator, Owner: Nevada Investigative Services LLC
- Dr. Thomas Coyne - Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida; Forensic Pathologist, Toxicologist, Neuropathologist; X: @DrTMCoyne
- Allen Lengel - Editor of the daily publication at Deadline Detroit, Former Washington Post Reporter,
- Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the so called naked Nanny's
damning FaceTime just before she stabbed the little tot's grandpa
dead with a screwdriver. What I Nancy Grace, this is
(00:22):
Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
David On, the beloved patriarch of a thriving family was
living the dream with his wife and men grandchildren. But
this picture perfect family was about to face a threat
from someone they trusted.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
There is so much misinformation out there right now regarding
the so called naked nanny's attack on an eighty three
year old grandpa. First of all, who is Samantha ray Booth.
Let's take a look at her social I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Having one of those days where I literally want to
tell everybody and everything to the today years old. When
I realized how much has happened to me that I
did not deserve.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's like I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
To throw down from my inner child right now, like
all of this she went through and she didn't deserve.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
When do I get to be a friend? Look at me?
I want to give you right out.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Fear of everybody in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Okay that is from at impath dot illuminated on TikTok.
What is impath dot illuminated? You're going to find out.
But that was so revealing, Okay, leaving me with the question,
does nobody look on social before they hire someone? That's
(01:36):
a theoretical that's a rhetorical question. Let me get back
to the screw driver attack on an eighty three year
old grandpa. But control room, just amuse me, just for
a moment. I've got to see Samantha ray Booth again.
Let's watch this.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm having one of those days where I literally want
to tell everybody and everything to the I was today
years old when I realized how much has happened to
me that I did not deserve.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's like I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Ready to throw down from my inner child right now,
Like all of this she went through and she didn't deserve.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
When do I get to be a friend? Look at me?
I want to fuck me right up.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I fear for everybody in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I had a lot of whispering there on the end.
I'm almost said, I don't even want to know what
she's saying, but I do because it may be probative.
In other words, prove something that's from at Impact Dot
illuminated on TikTok with me an all star panel to
make sense of what we are learning. A thirty five
year old woman who has been working periodically for a family,
(02:38):
a very loving family for two years, suddenly attacks the
grandpa and stabs him dead with a screwdriver. Now what
do we know happened that day? Listen?
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Psychotherapist Katie On calls on her regular nanny, Samantha Ray
Booths when she's out of town. Booth has been caring
for Ang's three year old for two years. Katie becomes concerned,
which you can't get Booth on the phone just before
eight pm and calls her dad, David ONNG to make
sure everything's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay. Now, first I'm going to go to Dave mag
joining me in Crime Stories investigative reporter. Some people may
think that that's out of the ordinary, that you've got
a nanny with your children and just because she doesn't
pick up the phone, you then call someone to do
a welfare check. That would be the grandpa in this case.
The grandpa eighty three lived in nearby Sea. I don't
(03:31):
find that odd at all. When I can't get a
hold of the twins or I couldn't get a hold
of the nanny. You darn right, I checked on them.
I don't find that odd at all, Dave mac exactly
what happened.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Katie on calls her father David and says, go check
on Samantha and make sure everything's okay at the house,
and the police say that that's what he did. He
went to the house to check on Samantha and the
three year old. David Ong arrives at his daughter's five
hundred thousand dollars home in Royal Oaks to check on
his granddaughter, but once he arrives, he too goes silent.
(04:08):
When Katie can't get her father back on the phone,
she calls brother in law Douglas Smith and asks if
he will go to the house.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So now she's doing a welfare check on the welfare
check on the nanny. You know, I'm very curious. Straight
out to special guests joining us, the editor of Deadline
Detroit former Washington Post reporter Alan Alan Langle, thank you
for being with us. You know this mom is no schlump.
(04:38):
She has known this nanny, and the nanny, Samantha ray Booth,
had been nanny for her for two years. Periodically. I've
done that a million times when I've had Here's a
great example. When I was working at HLM, I had
several names. I had a nanny to why the nanny
(05:01):
watched two nannies with the twins Because of all the
cases I had covered an investigator, I didn't trust to nanny.
So I had two nannies for just the four or
five hours I would be gone, plus a nanny cam,
and they knew that I was watching them constantly. That said,
fast forward, Allan, all these years later. I mean, the
(05:21):
twins didn't need a nanny or a babysitter once they
started play school because I could take them and pick
them up. But that said, years later, when my mom,
who's going to turn ninety four, moved in with us,
I was worried about her when I would be at work.
So I call those nannies the very same ones. Now
they're granny nannies. Okay, So when you know somebody, you
(05:46):
don't think to check them out and see if they've
gone crazy on social media because you know them. So
I don't like people attacking the mom in this scenario,
But tell me their history as we know.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
It, Allan, Well, you know I think particular. I mean,
supposedly they knew each other for two years she was
doing work. I thought it was particularly interesting is that
Katie Young, the mother, is a psychologist who on her
website says she specializes in ADHD to the tension deficit
hyperactivity disorder assessments And basically she works with patients and
(06:23):
assesses them and if they have ADHD, then she refers
them to either psychiatrists or works with that psychiatrist. So
it happens to me that Samantha ray Booth is supposedly
one of her issues is she's ADHD. So I find
it interesting, and so it makes me wondering. I don't
know the answer to it, but it makes me wonder
(06:45):
if she was aware of the situation and she knew
how to deal with.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Her or what.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
But I think it's an interesting, at minimum coincidence.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Doctor Jamie Lacy joining Us lies the psychotherap, CEO Life
Counseling Solutions and author of How to Heal from a
Toxic Relationship. She is the host of the Resilient Professional
podcast on YouTube. Doctor Jamie, thank you for being with us.
According to Samantha ray Booth's brother, she had no history
(07:19):
of mental illness or drug use. None. So let me
ask you about ADHD. ADHD does not make you have
either auditory or visual hallucinations. ADHD is not any sort
of a mental illness at all. It's a learning issue.
(07:44):
You're absolutely right, Nancy.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
ADHD is a common diagnosis that many people have when
it comes to mostly focused and hyperactivity. So relating ADHD
to potentially what happened, I would say that there's no correlation.
It's not relatable at all. There's probably other possible contributing
factors that probably contributed to this.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Doctor Janey Lacy, I find it really interesting you mentioned
psychotic break to John Day joining us a veteran criminal
defense attorney of John Day law Day, I'm sure that
you're dancing up and down the hallway now psychotic break.
(08:25):
First of all, I don't think a jury is going
to buy psychotic break that leading up to the moment
she stabs Grandpa dead and then brags about it to police.
By the way, she knew darn well what she had
just done. She said that was so easy. I can't
believe how easy that was. I often did him. Okay,
(08:47):
a psychotic break, to my understanding, means You're fine up
to a certain moment when you kill somebody, then right
after that you're fine again.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
She's thirty five years old, right, never apparently, never had
any contact with a police, no police record, no history
of criminal behavior. She's worked with this family for a
couple of years. Mom's a psychotherapist. You would assume that
mom had some insight into behavior and behavioral issues. They
(09:17):
trusted her with the infant for at least since she
was born, apparently, So.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I mean, what else happened?
Speaker 9 (09:23):
I mean, you've got police saying that there were some
mushrooms maybe when she was arrested in marijuana.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I've never seen a case.
Speaker 9 (09:31):
Where mushrooms in and of themselves led to some type
of a violent murder. So something there's an anomaly here
and we don't know what it is. And if you're
trying to defend this person who's charged with a horrific homicide,
something is not right. Based on the fact that her
thirty five year history, she's clean. So we talk about
a psychotic break, there's something leading up to that. Was
(09:53):
there other potential drug use we don't know about? Is
something else is going to come up? But also I
want to look at what's the bet behavior now, and
what's the behavior while she's sitting in jail? And is
there something here that somebody just obviously miss a sign,
including mom, who is a professional therapist.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You know, we're putting a lot of the burden on
the mom. I want to remind everyone Dave matt Crimes
Towards Investigative Reporter. She babysat periodically. She was not the
full time babysitter for the baby when mom was gone,
but the mom had known her for two years. There
(10:33):
is no indication at all that she was using drugs
at the time. She has no history of drugs, and
her brother says she had no history of drugs or
mental illness. She just stabbed the grandpa. Okay. Now, the mom,
who is reportedly out of town for work, has her
(10:55):
father come over to check on the baby. Then she
can't get the father on the phone. Sounds like one
of those horrible horror movies where you pick up the
phone there's somebody creepy and they're in your home. So
she says the dad on over. He disappears. So now
she can't talk to the baby, she can't talk to
the babysitter, she can't talk to her father, so then
(11:16):
she says the brother in law over listen.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Smith arrives at the home at nine twenty five pm,
front door wide open. Smith hears noises coming from the
basement and calls out to the nanny. Booth does not respond.
Smith goes down to the basement and he shocked to
find Booth covered in blood and dated on lying on
the floor with severe head injuries. Eighty three year old
doing everything he can to protect his granddaughter.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Oh Langel, explain to me what happened the brother in
law comes over, and then what happens?
Speaker 7 (11:50):
The brother in law comes over, He goes in the house,
he hears some noise. He calls out the name of
the nanny, and he doesn't hear anything. He goes down
serious and he sees the grandfather on the ground there
in the basement, stabbed, you know, multiple times. He grabs
(12:11):
his niece, his I think it's either two or three
year old niece, and he tries to get out of there.
She comes at him and tries to attack him, and
he fends her off, and he tries to get out
of the house, and she's coming after them. They go
outside and she's still they're trying to run away, and
she's still trying to attack them. Finally, some neighbors let
(12:33):
them into the house, so they call nine one one.
She drops the screwdriver and then she takes off all
her clothes and starts running.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
And I want to address one thing when we talk
about drug history, and we don't know if drugs played
a role, or if there was just you know, separate
from that, a psychotic episode or whatever. But when people
say drug history, we don't know. I mean she was,
you know, marijuana. Nobody has, as you know, a hiss.
You know, a lot of people who don't know the
person may not know their personal habits, how many drinks
(13:06):
they have, what type of drugs they have. I mean,
obviously she had some drugs in her purse, whether she
we assume that she used those drugs at some point
or another, but we don't know on that particular day.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Alan, I'm asking you and Dave matt for the facts.
Did you just say we don't know. Do you have
even a sentilla of evidence, a shred that this thirty
five year old woman had a drug problem, any anything
to base that on at all. No, you don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I mean we have it.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Where do we keep talking about it?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
Well, only because they found the drug.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean you're trying.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
You're trying to figure out this very irrational behavior. A
person turns on the grandfather, strips her clothes off, running
down the street. I mean, obviously this is not normal behavior.
So you're trying to figure out what it is, possibly
whether it has nothing to do with drugs, whether it
was a psychotic episode or whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
But we don't know what.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I think alan were looking for. I think that you,
like many other people, are struggling with an issue I
have whenever I tried a female and I'll tell you
what that is. To Tom Green, former Chief Deputy Washoe
County Sheriff's Office Homicide Detective Cole Case Squad, it goes
on and on and on, owner Nevada Investigative Services, Tom,
(14:33):
here's the deal. Whenever you have a woman, particularly a
woman that some people would find attractive. Not me, she
looks like Bill's abub the Devil's Hince person to me.
But a woman that some people find attractive, they have
a really hard time imagining that she's responsible for a murder.
(14:56):
So we do all sorts of contortion to find a
way to explain it away, and of course I'm going
to need a shrink on this, doctor Janey. But have
you seen that? I mean, let me just throw out
here's a good one. Top mom incomes top Mom Casey
Anthony Indicourt and acts demure and sweet and pitiful and
(15:20):
scared and dominion to actually scrunching down in her seat
to look smaller, and the jury look den her and thought, no, way, way.
That's just one example. Have you ever encountered that time
where people just they'll say, oh, she must have had
a drug problem. She didn't, she must have filled in
(15:41):
the blank. She didn't. Why do we do all these
contortions when the killer, the defendant is a woman.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
Well, I think it's just a natural reaction where people
want answers like the why, and we don't always know
the why. You know, I worked a case one time
with a woman was beautiful. She brutally murdered her husband,
and people could not wrap their head around why would
she do that? She looks so nice, she looked so
sweet and innocent. But you know, we heard her own
(16:10):
voice on the video that you played. She has some
underlying issue of some sort. I'm not a psychiatrist.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
No, you're not say we can just stop right there.
The fact that she may have an under what is
everybody on this panel trying to think of a way
to absolve her of stabbing an innocent, unarmed grandpa dead?
Because I Am not having it. We're pretending she's on drugs.
(16:39):
We're pretending she had a drug history. We're pretending she
had a mental illness history. Somebody said maybe she had ADHD.
We know none of that. Have you all lost your minds?
When this mother brought her in, she was behaved perfectly, coherently.
(17:02):
But somehow everyone's doing somersaults and backbands to come up
with an excuse she has an issue. Well, guess what,
Tom Green, we all have an issue. I'm a three pets,
a crippled guinea pig, and a ninety four year old grandma.
I got a lot of issues, and I deal with
(17:24):
murder every day. That does not absolve me from stabbing
an unarmed man with a screwdriver.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
I listened to the lieutenant provide his assessment of the
crime scene and response. He's the one that brought up
drug use, He's the one that brought up potential psychosis.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Can I tell you. I'm going places. The real ones
are coming with me. I will come back for you.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
You know who the you are.
Speaker 11 (17:53):
The ones who sat there, abandoned me me struggle, didn't
support me. You don't have to see that.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
My table in a quiet Michigan town, Katie On hires
a nanny to care for her young daughter, trusting her completely,
and little does she know that nanny might be harboring
sinister intentions.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Guys, I want you to see more of this woman.
Her name is Samantha rape Boost. She's a thirty five
year old female. This is what she posted online.
Speaker 12 (18:29):
Watch be so insecure, and I had no confidence in
who I was. Was in constant survival mode, struggling to
keep anxiety at bay. I was like a walking panic attack.
I drank almost every day. I hated who I was.
I'm eating disorder A. Relationships are tumultuous, especially the one
with myself.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I finally feel at peace and I feel.
Speaker 12 (18:51):
So confident in who I am. Do not give up hope.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Of course, I'm going to play that about one hundred
times in front of if there ever is one that's
from at impact dot illuminated on TikTok to Janey Lacy.
That's doctor Janie Lacy, renowned psychotherapist and CEO doctor Janey.
Have you ever heard of a lightning round? Have you ever?
(19:16):
It's on game shows? You ever heard of that?
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Yes?
Speaker 13 (19:19):
I have, Nancy.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay, so you know the rule is a very quick answer,
as in yes, no, Okay, here we go, lightning round,
doctor Janie Lacy. Number one is hating yourself a mental disorder? No?
Is an eating disorder a mental defect.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
It's diagnosable.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But no, So then you just violated the lightning round reels.
So no, No is drinking a mental defect? Okay. Now
is anxiety a mental defect? No? Okay, it's in security
(20:09):
a mental defect. No is being in quote survival mode
a mental defect. No crime stories with Nancy Grace John
(20:34):
Day joining me. Did you just hear Samantha ray Booth
online describing all of her issues? Somebody who said that
it was either Langele or Tom Green or probably Dave
Max said she's got issues. Yeah, she's got issues. They're
not mental defects, none of those issues. And she was
(20:56):
very forthright with all of her issues, aiding disorder, anxiety,
no confidence in myself? Boo who no confidence in myself,
a walking panic attack, self hating, self loathing, tumultous relationships. Okay,
none of those are mental defects, none of them. You're
(21:20):
going to be hard pressed to use any type of
a mental defect defense in this case because she's laying
it all out there. If she's talking about that she
drank too much, you don't think she'd bore out on
social media that she also did weed and mushrooms. Of
course she would have. You know, when you don't know
a horse, John Day. Look at her track record. She's
(21:42):
learning everything there is to say about herself on social media.
She doesn't mention a thing about weed or mushrooms, does she?
Speaker 9 (21:52):
So, Nancy, respectfully, I think you're missing the point. Everything
that all these great people on this panel have said
means that I want each one of them on my
jury if I'm defending her, Because what everybody's doing is
using their personal experience.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
They're using their observations here.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
They're trying to figure out an unfathomable situation, and that's.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
What I want my jurors to be doing.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
They're trying to use their own life experiences to come
up with some reason because it's hard to wrap your
mind around what happened and why it happened. And if
you don't have an easily graspable, understandable explanation for that,
you're going back to your own life experience.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You're going back to what you know about people.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
And what everybody on this panel is doing is coming
up with things that might explain this away. And if
I'm defending this woman, that's what I want my jurors
to be doing. I don't necessarily care if there is
a puzzle piece that fits perfectly in an explanation. I
just want all of them thinking what everybody on this
panel has just been doing, coming up with reasons, coming
(22:50):
up with things that might fit into a rational day explanation.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Before you finish your closing argument, let me stop you.
Isn't it's true that you said the jury, we'll try
to figure out what might have happened. Isn't the standard
in criminal cases beyond a reasonable doubt, not a hypothesis
(23:18):
about what might have happened. Little green men from Mars
may have beams down and stabbed the grandpa dad. That
may have happened, but it's not a reasonable hypothesis. So
without information that she absolutely was on drugs, We don't
have that, and following up, even if we did have that,
(23:40):
assuming arguendo that we do find out she was on drugs,
John Day, isn't it true that voluntary use of drugs
or alcohol is not a defense?
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Absolutely true, the voluntary use of drugs. Yeah, But what
you're doing is exactly what I want the juris again
to be doing, because you are trying to rationalize in
the irrational situation, and they're beyond a reasonable outstandard.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And Jan Green and Alan Langele and Dave Mack are
trying to rationalize in the irrational situation, because to me
it's very rational. Grandpa came home to check on the
baby and he was stabbed dead with a screwdriver, and
he's unarmed. If she had gotten into magic mushrooms or
some weed, that's on her. The law is very clear,
(24:33):
voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not a defense. Period. Now,
in some states and jurisdictions you have unless and until
that person is comatose. But if you're comatose, you can't
move and stab somebody with screwdrivers. So that's irrelevant here.
So no matter which way you guys want to turn,
(24:54):
you're going to have to accept that this woman, who
you may think looks like your daughter or your sister
or your mom, that she stabbed an unarmed senior just
coming to check on the grand baby. Dead dead. You
know what, let's take another look at this woman.
Speaker 11 (25:17):
Being a light worker feels like speaking an entirely different
language that most people around you cannot understand. You feel alone,
You feel isolated. You feel like, how do I have
this understanding of this language that I was not taught.
Society didn't teach me this language, but it came from
the inside. It came from your heart, and you have
this knowing that there is another path that we can
(25:37):
walk down, another way of operating and navigating the world,
and how we treat ourselves and treat nature and treat community.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay, you know there's just so much to drink in
from that. That's from at mpath dot eliminated on TikTok Okay.
Doctor Janey Lacy, you're the psychotherapist. I'm just a trial lawyer.
But I am coming at this from the side of
the eighty three year old grandfather and his family because
(26:08):
I know every day, every day I miss my father, Mac,
who was my soulmate. I miss him every day, and
I imagine I know that I am projecting that the
victim's family feels the same way about him. He goes
in to check on the baby and he gets stabbed
(26:28):
in multiple times with a screwdriver, and I can't help it.
I'm putting my dad in his shoes, and I will
be damn e d if I'm gonna let everybody argue, ooh,
she got into magic mushrooms, poor thing. Oh hell no,
that is not gonna work for me. Now Here, she's
(26:49):
saying she is a quote light worker, and she speaks
an entirely different language that most people. I guess that's me.
Cannot understand. You feel alone, isolated. Those are not mental defects.
How do I understand this language? I was not taught.
She may be zany, but she is not insane. Because
(27:11):
she gets in this car. You can see her inner car.
She sets up a video cam on herself. She loves
to post online. She's coherent, she's well kept, she's got
on makeup, she's done her hair. She's talking about I
guess the cult that she's starting. This woman is not insane,
(27:33):
Doctor Janey.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
I agree with you, Nancy, she had extreme violent behavior.
She took this four innocent man's life who was protecting
his daughter. So when we look at the behavioral presentations
of what is the documented digital record of her life,
she's very conscious in a sense that she's using a
(27:56):
lot of language that shows that she was actually doing
her inner work. She used the word in her child,
she's using the light worker. She believes that she's a
light to humanity and has a higher consciousness. So this
is the record from her saying that she's she's seen,
she's present, and that she's doing her work, so to
speak from her potential trauma that she alluded to in
(28:18):
some of her previous videos that you show that is
not someone who I.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Gotta ask you a question. She's not jamiel Ice. I'm
just wondering if you function. You know when medical doctors
don't like you to go to WebMD. They hate it
when you google what you perceive, And of course I
do it on myself. Everybody around me. I google their
symptoms and I diagnose them. Do you just hate it
when somebody has read so many self help books that
(28:46):
they diagnose themselves and start treating themselves. What is an
inner child? I've heard that a lot. What does that mean?
That she refers to the inner child and the third person.
Speaker 14 (28:58):
So basically what the inner how comes from, it comes
from childhood trauma work. So the childhood trauma work is
if someone has experienced trauma in their history that they
get stuck at that point or they had some type
of emotional needs that was not met. So the inner
child means the adult self goes back and protects. It's
kind of like you become your own parent and you
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go back and you acknowledge the things that you needed
as a young child or the things that you that happened.
Speaker 8 (29:25):
To you are not your fault. So it's connecting your
adult self with your inner with the parts of you
that were frozen and what we call frozen that were
unhealed things that have happened in your history. It's related
to a lot of trauma work.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Okay, I'm going to try to drink in everything that
you just said. That's a lot, and I'm very curious
about why Samanta ray Booth is diagnosing herself. She does
not have a mental defect except that she had an
eating disorder and she has self loathing and she drinks
too much. That said, let's listen to her on her
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higher purpose of bringing light, love, and healing to the world.
Speaker 11 (30:05):
Being a light worker feels like speaking an entirely different
language that most people around you cannot understand. You feel alone,
You feel isolated. You feel like, how do I have
this understanding of this language that I was not taught.
Society didn't teach me this language, But it came from
the inside.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It came from your heart.
Speaker 11 (30:23):
And you have this knowing that there is another path
that we can walk down, another way of operating and
navigating the world, and how we treat ourselves and treat
nature and treat community.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
From mpath Dot illuminated on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Concerned after not hearing from the nanny, Katie asks her
father David to check on her daughter.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Upon arrival, he discovers his granddaughter missing. What happens next
The grandpa comes in eighty three the daughter does it?
Hear back from him? She says, brother in law over.
He walks in and Samantha ray Booth comes out, I'm
like a bat out of hell. Just keep that visual.
Wielding a screwdriver, he somehow manages to pick up the
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tap girl and run. Listen to this.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Smith and his knees are sent to the hospital. First
responders tend to David Ong in the basement, the eighty
three year old man his family calls the General Giant
is laying on the floor massive injuries to his head.
Long is pronounced dead on the scene in the basement,
giving up his own life protecting his three year old granddaughter.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Straight out to a special guest joining us. Doctor Thomas Coin,
the Chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office, State
of Florida. He is a forensic pathologist, he's a toxicologist.
He is a neuropathologist, and you can find him on
x at doctor T. M. Coin Coyne. Doctor Coin, thank
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you for taking time away from your crushing schedule of
autopsies tell me about a screw driver attack. And covered
and investigated myself so many homicides, I've often thought a
knife attack is worse than a shooting. It's just a
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gut reaction. Having investigated so many cases and tried so
many cases, but I haven't contemplated death by screwdriver. Are
the puncture rooms with a screwdriver different from the puncture
rooms from a knife, Well.
Speaker 15 (32:28):
They tend to be smaller, right, because the diameter of
the screwdriver is much smaller than the blade of a knife,
and so you tend to have either circular or flat
wounds depending on type of screw driver. So I can
imagine if you've ever used the Phillips head screwdriver, the
tip of that screwdriver comes down to a point, there's
like a little X there, and in the skin of
a person who's been stabbed by Philip said screw driver,
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you may actually see a circular hole with an X
mark where that tip penetrated through the skin, whereas a
flat heead screwdriver you may see a small, little flat
slit with blunt, little abrasions. And so you tend to
have characteristic wounds that are smaller than a knife and wound,
and you'll see them distributed very often, you know, in
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critical areas.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Okay, now, dodger coin, I'm going to do it yourself
for And there are a lot of different sizes of screwdrivers.
It could be the little egpety one that you do
your eyeglasses with if you wear eyeglasses, or the really
big ones that we use when my son was doing
this eagle Scout project. So why are you assuming it's
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a small screwdriver.
Speaker 13 (33:37):
Well, I'm not assuming. I'm just saying that the actual
diameter of.
Speaker 15 (33:40):
The screwdriver itself, so regardless of whether it's a long screwdriver,
the actual diameter of the of the two person itself. So,
for instance, you know, when you see a wound and
a person that may be like a less than half
of an inch, where I believe, let's say of a
regular let's say stake knife that you have in your house,
maybe an inch or two inches, and so the actual
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wound itself tends to be smaller, often circular, especially if
you're using As Philip said.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
You know, there's something about an attack with a screwdriver,
doctor Coin. I feel that it would be even more
painful than a knife attack because the screwdriver the point
is more blunt and it would be harder to pierce
the skin. I'm sure you can verbalize my reaction. What
would you how would you respond to that?
Speaker 13 (34:30):
Well, I think you know, I mean, it's a lot
easier for a knife.
Speaker 15 (34:32):
To go in because it has a cutting edge, so
it'll go through the skin much easier, requires less force.
When're using a more blunt object, you have to use
much more force. So yeah, I would imagine each blow
would be more forceful. I'm assuming a person who's being
attacked is probably also in a state of shock, so
they may not.
Speaker 13 (34:49):
Feel the pain up front.
Speaker 15 (34:51):
But what's really the problem here is if it's a
long screwdriver, number one, it can go in further, so
it could penetrate the heart.
Speaker 13 (35:00):
And if you hit a critical.
Speaker 15 (35:01):
Area like the temporal portion of your skull, the thinnest
part of our skull, that screwdriver, if you're using in
a forest, can go right into the brain, and so
you can incapacitate a person pretty fast.
Speaker 13 (35:13):
You hit the right spot.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know, doctor Coyne, I
was noticing. What we've been able to glean so far
is that the grandpa eighty three years old had a
lot of injuries to the head and face, which I
find not only privative as to why someone stabs a
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victim in the face. But you just said temple, temple area.
You think of a temple somewhere you worship. Why is
that part of your your head called the temple?
Speaker 13 (35:55):
That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 15 (35:57):
The original Greek anatomists, who are all of the bones.
It's the temporal bone, so that's probably where it derives
his name from.
Speaker 12 (36:05):
And so the.
Speaker 15 (36:05):
Temple region is the area of skin to overlies our
temporal bone. I don't know the meaning behind why they
chose that particular word, but that's that's why we refer
to it as a temple.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Well, she's not called the naked nanny for nothing, But
try to put your prurient thoughts aside and listen to
what Samantha ray Booth said.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
After the killing, Samantha ray Booth drops the screwdriver and
her clothes. When police arrives, she's completely naked, covered in blood,
and takes off running through the neighborhood. Officers apprehend the
thirty five year old nanny and place her in the
squad car, where she begins to brag about the damage
she just caused to the og family, allegedly tailling officers,
I f him up, and yes.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
It was too easy.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Okay, there you go. Alan Langele joining us editor of
Deadline Detroit formerly with the Washington Post as an investigative reporter.
That's not easy to get to. Alan. Let me rephrase
the so called naked nanny says, I have him up,
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and yes I did it. It was just too easy.
There's your poor wounded dear that you're all trying to
exonerate with acclaimed drug problem or mental defect, bragging about
killing Grandpa.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
I don't think any of us are trying to exonerate.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I think, as other people have said.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
We're trying to understand how the switch got clicked from
this very what appeared to be caring nanny, a very articulate,
introspective person, to really an insane person who just lost it.
And when we talk about the circumstances, she's charged with
first degree murder, which, if you look at the totality
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of the circumstances, and I defer to the lawyers here,
be pretty hard. First degree murder in Michigan is mandatory
life without parole. Second degree murder can be life, but
with the possibility of parole, and so in the totality
of just all the circumstances, I think you'd be hard
pressed to convict or plea to first degree in there.
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But I don't think any of us are. I don't
think any of us are trying to say she should
be exonerated. It's insane. I mean, it was a brutal,
brutal thing of an elderly gentleman who seemed very loving
and caring, had four children, had a very successful career,
cared about his grandchild. It's a tragedy. It's horrific, and
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none of us are saying she should go free. The
question will be whether she's currently mentally confident to stand
trial if she were to go to trial.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
But I'm not trying to make excuses.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Because she's stripped just because well you are, you are?
Why are you saying she's really incompetentd behavior?
Speaker 4 (39:08):
It's insane behavior. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Her murder is insane, while all the other murders they
make perfect sense. Oh yes, no, well you are doing
this because she's young and cute and you like what
she's doing on TikTok. Yeah, you're all making excuses for her.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and you know what else you did?
What else you did? You You can't be on the
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jury because you're already worried about sentencing. John Day, I
know you're not gonna like this, but you have tried
a lot of cases, and isn't it true the jury
is not to be concerned about sentencing. They are to speak.
They are to render a verdict that speaks the truth.
And you guys don't like it because she's young and
to you guys, she's cute and you can't imagine her
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committing a murderer. So she's gotten to be insane or
have a mental defect. He's already worried. He's already saying
Lango is already saying, should you live with that Burrow?
We can't do that to her. Oh, yes you can.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
No matter what the judge says, every juror considers the
effects of a conviction one way or the other, and
no matter the judge is going to say, put that
in your minds, it's not your job. But the reality is, Nancy,
we both know from doing trial work that that's not
what jurors do.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
They have that somewhere in the back of their minds,
so we can't we can't pretend that they're not going
to be thinking about that.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
But again, what everyone's doing is what I if I
was defending this case as a private lawyer or public defender,
would be thinking about, would want the jury to think.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
About, Samantha, can you cover yourself and come to the
window like the attorney said, this is going to happen
whether you wanted.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
To or not, so we might as well just getting
done with. Okay, he's trying to help you.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
He's laying on the floor.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
At the moment, completely naked. You're middle of the sill.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
John Day is joining us, veteran criminal defense attorney who
founded John Day Law. John, do you have children?
Speaker 13 (41:03):
I do.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Did you ever have one throw themselves in the floor
and have a fit.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I'm sure it happened, but it may have been, you know,
age two or three.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Possibly, yes, Okay, both of my children one time, each
one of them, Lucy and John David flung themselves in
the floor and had a fit, kicking, screaming, yanking at
their clothes, the whole thing. I just looked at them
and walked off. And guess what that worked? Here to
Alan Langele, we have Samantha ray Booth throw herself in
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the floor of her cell and strip when it's time
for arrayment, not before, not after, but just when it's
time for arrayment. Talk about attention seeking. I'm just putting
it out there, thoughts.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
I mean, she could be manipulative, she could be you know.
I mean the message is I'm crazy I'm insane just
in the totality of.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
The whole thing there.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
But could she be creating drama? Does she know what
she's doing? You know, it's hard to say. I think
obviously she needs to be evaluated to oh, yes, getting it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
So with that, Alan Langele, I agree. I don't want
anyone with a mental defect put into GPA general population.
They will be horribly tormented, torture taken advantage of. I
don't want that. I also don't want a killer to
walk free. Dave mac did I just hear you state
(42:40):
under your breath pretty is as pretty does? Did you
say that? Yeah? What do you mean by pretty is
as pretty does?
Speaker 6 (42:50):
Because you've mentioned that, you know, we might think she's attractive,
and that's why we're trying to justify her actions. And
I'm saying, no, absolutely not. You know, you're as pretty
as your actions are, and her actions are filthy and evil,
and I'm not looking for a reason to justify her actions.
I am looking at Satan who just showed up and
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put a screwdriver in eighty three year old man's head.
Speaker 13 (43:15):
Over and over.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Question what happens now, Dave Matt She has been naked,
arraigned for premeditated murder. What's happening next?
Speaker 6 (43:31):
No bail for her and she actually is scheduled for
her next court appearance on the seventh.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Well, John Day will have a field day putting all
of you on his jury. He's already revealed his trial
tactic and he might just succeed. This case is being
built now, and we have heard from her boyfriend who
says just before the stabbings that she stated she knew
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the grandpa was coming over to relieve her for a
meal break. That's damning. It's damning because she was in
her right mind and she was not surprised by the
grandpa when he came in the door. That is a
damning FaceTime, and I expect he will be called as
a state's witness. If you know or think you know
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anything about this case, please dial the Royal Oak PD
two four eight two four six three thousand, repeat two
four eight two four six three thousand. We remember an
American hero, Senior Patrol Officer Daniel Ellis Richmond p D. Kentucky,
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shot and killed in the line of duty after seven
years serving and protecting, leaving behind his wife turned widow,
Katie and son Luke American Hero. Senior Patrol Office, Sir
Daniel Ellis, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend, m HM
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the so called naked Nanny's
damning FaceTime just before she stabbed the little tot's grandpa
dead with a screwdriver. What I Nancy Grace, this is
(00:22):
Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
David On, the beloved patriarch of a thriving family was
living the dream with his wife and men grandchildren. But
this picture perfect family was about to face a threat
from someone they trusted.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
There is so much misinformation out there right now regarding
the so called naked nanny's attack on an eighty three
year old grandpa. First of all, who is Samantha ray Booth.
Let's take a look at her social I'm.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Having one of those days where I literally want to
tell everybody and everything to the today years old. When
I realized how much has happened to me that I
did not deserve.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's like I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
To throw down from my inner child right now, like
all of this she went through and she didn't deserve.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
When do I get to be a friend? Look at me?
I want to give you right out.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Fear of everybody in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Okay that is from at impath dot illuminated on TikTok.
What is impath dot illuminated? You're going to find out.
But that was so revealing, Okay, leaving me with the question,
does nobody look on social before they hire someone? That's
(01:36):
a theoretical that's a rhetorical question. Let me get back
to the screw driver attack on an eighty three year
old grandpa. But control room, just amuse me, just for
a moment. I've got to see Samantha ray Booth again.
Let's watch this.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm having one of those days where I literally want
to tell everybody and everything to the I was today
years old when I realized how much has happened to
me that I did not deserve.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's like I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Ready to throw down from my inner child right now,
Like all of this she went through and she didn't deserve.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
When do I get to be a friend? Look at me?
I want to fuck me right up.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I fear for everybody in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I had a lot of whispering there on the end.
I'm almost said, I don't even want to know what
she's saying, but I do because it may be probative.
In other words, prove something that's from at Impact Dot
illuminated on TikTok with me an all star panel to
make sense of what we are learning. A thirty five
year old woman who has been working periodically for a family,
(02:38):
a very loving family for two years, suddenly attacks the
grandpa and stabs him dead with a screwdriver. Now what
do we know happened that day? Listen?
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Psychotherapist Katie On calls on her regular nanny, Samantha Ray
Booths when she's out of town. Booth has been caring
for Ang's three year old for two years. Katie becomes concerned,
which you can't get Booth on the phone just before
eight pm and calls her dad, David ONNG to make
sure everything's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay. Now, first I'm going to go to Dave mag
joining me in Crime Stories investigative reporter. Some people may
think that that's out of the ordinary, that you've got
a nanny with your children and just because she doesn't
pick up the phone, you then call someone to do
a welfare check. That would be the grandpa in this case.
The grandpa eighty three lived in nearby Sea. I don't
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find that odd at all. When I can't get a
hold of the twins or I couldn't get a hold
of the nanny. You darn right, I checked on them.
I don't find that odd at all, Dave mac exactly
what happened.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Katie on calls her father David and says, go check
on Samantha and make sure everything's okay at the house,
and the police say that that's what he did. He
went to the house to check on Samantha and the
three year old. David Ong arrives at his daughter's five
hundred thousand dollars home in Royal Oaks to check on
his granddaughter, but once he arrives, he too goes silent.
(04:08):
When Katie can't get her father back on the phone,
she calls brother in law Douglas Smith and asks if
he will go to the house.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So now she's doing a welfare check on the welfare
check on the nanny. You know, I'm very curious. Straight
out to special guests joining us, the editor of Deadline
Detroit former Washington Post reporter Alan Alan Langle, thank you
for being with us. You know this mom is no schlump.
(04:38):
She has known this nanny, and the nanny, Samantha ray Booth,
had been nanny for her for two years. Periodically. I've
done that a million times when I've had Here's a
great example. When I was working at HLM, I had
several names. I had a nanny to why the nanny
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watched two nannies with the twins Because of all the
cases I had covered an investigator, I didn't trust to nanny.
So I had two nannies for just the four or
five hours I would be gone, plus a nanny cam,
and they knew that I was watching them constantly. That said,
fast forward, Allan, all these years later. I mean, the
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twins didn't need a nanny or a babysitter once they
started play school because I could take them and pick
them up. But that said, years later, when my mom,
who's going to turn ninety four, moved in with us,
I was worried about her when I would be at work.
So I call those nannies the very same ones. Now
they're granny nannies. Okay, So when you know somebody, you
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don't think to check them out and see if they've
gone crazy on social media because you know them. So
I don't like people attacking the mom in this scenario,
But tell me their history as we know.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
It, Allan, Well, you know I think particular. I mean,
supposedly they knew each other for two years she was
doing work. I thought it was particularly interesting is that
Katie Young, the mother, is a psychologist who on her
website says she specializes in ADHD to the tension deficit
hyperactivity disorder assessments And basically she works with patients and
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assesses them and if they have ADHD, then she refers
them to either psychiatrists or works with that psychiatrist. So
it happens to me that Samantha ray Booth is supposedly
one of her issues is she's ADHD. So I find
it interesting, and so it makes me wondering. I don't
know the answer to it, but it makes me wonder
(06:45):
if she was aware of the situation and she knew
how to deal with.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Her or what.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
But I think it's an interesting, at minimum coincidence.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Doctor Jamie Lacy joining Us lies the psychotherap, CEO Life
Counseling Solutions and author of How to Heal from a
Toxic Relationship. She is the host of the Resilient Professional
podcast on YouTube. Doctor Jamie, thank you for being with us.
According to Samantha ray Booth's brother, she had no history
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of mental illness or drug use. None. So let me
ask you about ADHD. ADHD does not make you have
either auditory or visual hallucinations. ADHD is not any sort
of a mental illness at all. It's a learning issue.
(07:44):
You're absolutely right, Nancy.
Speaker 8 (07:46):
ADHD is a common diagnosis that many people have when
it comes to mostly focused and hyperactivity. So relating ADHD
to potentially what happened, I would say that there's no correlation.
It's not relatable at all. There's probably other possible contributing
factors that probably contributed to this.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Doctor Janey Lacy, I find it really interesting you mentioned
psychotic break to John Day joining us a veteran criminal
defense attorney of John Day law Day, I'm sure that
you're dancing up and down the hallway now psychotic break.
(08:25):
First of all, I don't think a jury is going
to buy psychotic break that leading up to the moment
she stabs Grandpa dead and then brags about it to police.
By the way, she knew darn well what she had
just done. She said that was so easy. I can't
believe how easy that was. I often did him. Okay,
(08:47):
a psychotic break, to my understanding, means You're fine up
to a certain moment when you kill somebody, then right
after that you're fine again.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
She's thirty five years old, right, never apparently, never had
any contact with a police, no police record, no history
of criminal behavior. She's worked with this family for a
couple of years. Mom's a psychotherapist. You would assume that
mom had some insight into behavior and behavioral issues. They
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trusted her with the infant for at least since she
was born, apparently, So.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I mean, what else happened?
Speaker 9 (09:23):
I mean, you've got police saying that there were some
mushrooms maybe when she was arrested in marijuana.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I've never seen a case.
Speaker 9 (09:31):
Where mushrooms in and of themselves led to some type
of a violent murder. So something there's an anomaly here
and we don't know what it is. And if you're
trying to defend this person who's charged with a horrific homicide,
something is not right. Based on the fact that her
thirty five year history, she's clean. So we talk about
a psychotic break, there's something leading up to that. Was
(09:53):
there other potential drug use we don't know about? Is
something else is going to come up? But also I
want to look at what's the bet behavior now, and
what's the behavior while she's sitting in jail? And is
there something here that somebody just obviously miss a sign,
including mom, who is a professional therapist.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You know, we're putting a lot of the burden on
the mom. I want to remind everyone Dave matt Crimes
Towards Investigative Reporter. She babysat periodically. She was not the
full time babysitter for the baby when mom was gone,
but the mom had known her for two years. There
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is no indication at all that she was using drugs
at the time. She has no history of drugs, and
her brother says she had no history of drugs or
mental illness. She just stabbed the grandpa. Okay. Now, the mom,
who is reportedly out of town for work, has her
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father come over to check on the baby. Then she
can't get the father on the phone. Sounds like one
of those horrible horror movies where you pick up the
phone there's somebody creepy and they're in your home. So
she says the dad on over. He disappears. So now
she can't talk to the baby, she can't talk to
the babysitter, she can't talk to her father, so then
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she says the brother in law over listen.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Smith arrives at the home at nine twenty five pm,
front door wide open. Smith hears noises coming from the
basement and calls out to the nanny. Booth does not respond.
Smith goes down to the basement and he shocked to
find Booth covered in blood and dated on lying on
the floor with severe head injuries. Eighty three year old
doing everything he can to protect his granddaughter.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Oh Langel, explain to me what happened the brother in
law comes over, and then what happens?
Speaker 7 (11:50):
The brother in law comes over, He goes in the house,
he hears some noise. He calls out the name of
the nanny, and he doesn't hear anything. He goes down
serious and he sees the grandfather on the ground there
in the basement, stabbed, you know, multiple times. He grabs
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his niece, his I think it's either two or three
year old niece, and he tries to get out of there.
She comes at him and tries to attack him, and
he fends her off, and he tries to get out
of the house, and she's coming after them. They go
outside and she's still they're trying to run away, and
she's still trying to attack them. Finally, some neighbors let
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them into the house, so they call nine one one.
She drops the screwdriver and then she takes off all
her clothes and starts running.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
And I want to address one thing when we talk
about drug history, and we don't know if drugs played
a role, or if there was just you know, separate
from that, a psychotic episode or whatever. But when people
say drug history, we don't know. I mean she was,
you know, marijuana. Nobody has, as you know, a hiss.
You know, a lot of people who don't know the
person may not know their personal habits, how many drinks
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they have, what type of drugs they have. I mean,
obviously she had some drugs in her purse, whether she
we assume that she used those drugs at some point
or another, but we don't know on that particular day.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Alan, I'm asking you and Dave matt for the facts.
Did you just say we don't know. Do you have
even a sentilla of evidence, a shred that this thirty
five year old woman had a drug problem, any anything
to base that on at all. No, you don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I mean we have it.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Where do we keep talking about it?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
Well, only because they found the drug.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean you're trying.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
You're trying to figure out this very irrational behavior. A
person turns on the grandfather, strips her clothes off, running
down the street. I mean, obviously this is not normal behavior.
So you're trying to figure out what it is, possibly
whether it has nothing to do with drugs, whether it
was a psychotic episode or whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
But we don't know what.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I think alan were looking for. I think that you,
like many other people, are struggling with an issue I
have whenever I tried a female and I'll tell you
what that is. To Tom Green, former Chief Deputy Washoe
County Sheriff's Office Homicide Detective Cole Case Squad, it goes
on and on and on, owner Nevada Investigative Services, Tom,
(14:33):
here's the deal. Whenever you have a woman, particularly a
woman that some people would find attractive. Not me, she
looks like Bill's abub the Devil's Hince person to me.
But a woman that some people find attractive, they have
a really hard time imagining that she's responsible for a murder.
(14:56):
So we do all sorts of contortion to find a
way to explain it away, and of course I'm going
to need a shrink on this, doctor Janey. But have
you seen that? I mean, let me just throw out
here's a good one. Top mom incomes top Mom Casey
Anthony Indicourt and acts demure and sweet and pitiful and
(15:20):
scared and dominion to actually scrunching down in her seat
to look smaller, and the jury look den her and thought, no, way, way.
That's just one example. Have you ever encountered that time
where people just they'll say, oh, she must have had
a drug problem. She didn't, she must have filled in
(15:41):
the blank. She didn't. Why do we do all these
contortions when the killer, the defendant is a woman.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
Well, I think it's just a natural reaction where people
want answers like the why, and we don't always know
the why. You know, I worked a case one time
with a woman was beautiful. She brutally murdered her husband,
and people could not wrap their head around why would
she do that? She looks so nice, she looked so
sweet and innocent. But you know, we heard her own
(16:10):
voice on the video that you played. She has some
underlying issue of some sort. I'm not a psychiatrist.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
No, you're not say we can just stop right there.
The fact that she may have an under what is
everybody on this panel trying to think of a way
to absolve her of stabbing an innocent, unarmed grandpa dead?
Because I Am not having it. We're pretending she's on drugs.
(16:39):
We're pretending she had a drug history. We're pretending she
had a mental illness history. Somebody said maybe she had ADHD.
We know none of that. Have you all lost your minds?
When this mother brought her in, she was behaved perfectly, coherently.
(17:02):
But somehow everyone's doing somersaults and backbands to come up
with an excuse she has an issue. Well, guess what,
Tom Green, we all have an issue. I'm a three pets,
a crippled guinea pig, and a ninety four year old grandma.
I got a lot of issues, and I deal with
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murder every day. That does not absolve me from stabbing
an unarmed man with a screwdriver.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
I listened to the lieutenant provide his assessment of the
crime scene and response. He's the one that brought up
drug use, He's the one that brought up potential psychosis.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Can I tell you. I'm going places. The real ones
are coming with me. I will come back for you.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
You know who the you are.
Speaker 11 (17:53):
The ones who sat there, abandoned me me struggle, didn't
support me. You don't have to see that.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
My table in a quiet Michigan town, Katie On hires
a nanny to care for her young daughter, trusting her completely,
and little does she know that nanny might be harboring
sinister intentions.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Guys, I want you to see more of this woman.
Her name is Samantha rape Boost. She's a thirty five
year old female. This is what she posted online.
Speaker 12 (18:29):
Watch be so insecure, and I had no confidence in
who I was. Was in constant survival mode, struggling to
keep anxiety at bay. I was like a walking panic attack.
I drank almost every day. I hated who I was.
I'm eating disorder A. Relationships are tumultuous, especially the one
with myself.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I finally feel at peace and I feel.
Speaker 12 (18:51):
So confident in who I am. Do not give up hope.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Of course, I'm going to play that about one hundred
times in front of if there ever is one that's
from at impact dot illuminated on TikTok to Janey Lacy.
That's doctor Janie Lacy, renowned psychotherapist and CEO doctor Janey.
Have you ever heard of a lightning round? Have you ever?
(19:16):
It's on game shows? You ever heard of that?
Speaker 8 (19:19):
Yes?
Speaker 13 (19:19):
I have, Nancy.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay, so you know the rule is a very quick answer,
as in yes, no, Okay, here we go, lightning round,
doctor Janie Lacy. Number one is hating yourself a mental disorder? No?
Is an eating disorder a mental defect.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
It's diagnosable.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But no, So then you just violated the lightning round reels.
So no, No is drinking a mental defect? Okay. Now
is anxiety a mental defect? No? Okay, it's in security
(20:09):
a mental defect. No is being in quote survival mode
a mental defect. No crime stories with Nancy Grace John
(20:34):
Day joining me. Did you just hear Samantha ray Booth
online describing all of her issues? Somebody who said that
it was either Langele or Tom Green or probably Dave
Max said she's got issues. Yeah, she's got issues. They're
not mental defects, none of those issues. And she was
(20:56):
very forthright with all of her issues, aiding disorder, anxiety,
no confidence in myself? Boo who no confidence in myself,
a walking panic attack, self hating, self loathing, tumultous relationships. Okay,
none of those are mental defects, none of them. You're
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going to be hard pressed to use any type of
a mental defect defense in this case because she's laying
it all out there. If she's talking about that she
drank too much, you don't think she'd bore out on
social media that she also did weed and mushrooms. Of
course she would have. You know, when you don't know
a horse, John Day. Look at her track record. She's
(21:42):
learning everything there is to say about herself on social media.
She doesn't mention a thing about weed or mushrooms, does she?
Speaker 9 (21:52):
So, Nancy, respectfully, I think you're missing the point. Everything
that all these great people on this panel have said
means that I want each one of them on my
jury if I'm defending her, Because what everybody's doing is
using their personal experience.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
They're using their observations here.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
They're trying to figure out an unfathomable situation, and that's.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
What I want my jurors to be doing.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
They're trying to use their own life experiences to come
up with some reason because it's hard to wrap your
mind around what happened and why it happened. And if
you don't have an easily graspable, understandable explanation for that,
you're going back to your own life experience.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You're going back to what you know about people.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
And what everybody on this panel is doing is coming
up with things that might explain this away. And if
I'm defending this woman, that's what I want my jurors
to be doing. I don't necessarily care if there is
a puzzle piece that fits perfectly in an explanation. I
just want all of them thinking what everybody on this
panel has just been doing, coming up with reasons, coming
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up with things that might fit into a rational day explanation.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Before you finish your closing argument, let me stop you.
Isn't it's true that you said the jury, we'll try
to figure out what might have happened. Isn't the standard
in criminal cases beyond a reasonable doubt, not a hypothesis
(23:18):
about what might have happened. Little green men from Mars
may have beams down and stabbed the grandpa dad. That
may have happened, but it's not a reasonable hypothesis. So
without information that she absolutely was on drugs, We don't
have that, and following up, even if we did have that,
(23:40):
assuming arguendo that we do find out she was on drugs,
John Day, isn't it true that voluntary use of drugs
or alcohol is not a defense?
Speaker 9 (23:52):
Absolutely true, the voluntary use of drugs. Yeah, But what
you're doing is exactly what I want the juris again
to be doing, because you are trying to rationalize in
the irrational situation, and they're beyond a reasonable outstandard.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And Jan Green and Alan Langele and Dave Mack are
trying to rationalize in the irrational situation, because to me
it's very rational. Grandpa came home to check on the
baby and he was stabbed dead with a screwdriver, and
he's unarmed. If she had gotten into magic mushrooms or
some weed, that's on her. The law is very clear,
(24:33):
voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not a defense. Period. Now,
in some states and jurisdictions you have unless and until
that person is comatose. But if you're comatose, you can't
move and stab somebody with screwdrivers. So that's irrelevant here.
So no matter which way you guys want to turn,
(24:54):
you're going to have to accept that this woman, who
you may think looks like your daughter or your sister
or your mom, that she stabbed an unarmed senior just
coming to check on the grand baby. Dead dead. You
know what, let's take another look at this woman.
Speaker 11 (25:17):
Being a light worker feels like speaking an entirely different
language that most people around you cannot understand. You feel alone,
You feel isolated. You feel like, how do I have
this understanding of this language that I was not taught.
Society didn't teach me this language, but it came from
the inside. It came from your heart, and you have
this knowing that there is another path that we can
(25:37):
walk down, another way of operating and navigating the world,
and how we treat ourselves and treat nature and treat community.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay, you know there's just so much to drink in
from that. That's from at mpath dot eliminated on TikTok Okay.
Doctor Janey Lacy, you're the psychotherapist. I'm just a trial lawyer.
But I am coming at this from the side of
the eighty three year old grandfather and his family because
(26:08):
I know every day, every day I miss my father, Mac,
who was my soulmate. I miss him every day, and
I imagine I know that I am projecting that the
victim's family feels the same way about him. He goes
in to check on the baby and he gets stabbed
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in multiple times with a screwdriver, and I can't help it.
I'm putting my dad in his shoes, and I will
be damn e d if I'm gonna let everybody argue, ooh,
she got into magic mushrooms, poor thing. Oh hell no,
that is not gonna work for me. Now Here, she's
(26:49):
saying she is a quote light worker, and she speaks
an entirely different language that most people. I guess that's me.
Cannot understand. You feel alone, isolated. Those are not mental defects.
How do I understand this language? I was not taught.
She may be zany, but she is not insane. Because
(27:11):
she gets in this car. You can see her inner car.
She sets up a video cam on herself. She loves
to post online. She's coherent, she's well kept, she's got
on makeup, she's done her hair. She's talking about I
guess the cult that she's starting. This woman is not insane,
(27:33):
Doctor Janey.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
I agree with you, Nancy, she had extreme violent behavior.
She took this four innocent man's life who was protecting
his daughter. So when we look at the behavioral presentations
of what is the documented digital record of her life,
she's very conscious in a sense that she's using a
(27:56):
lot of language that shows that she was actually doing
her inner work. She used the word in her child,
she's using the light worker. She believes that she's a
light to humanity and has a higher consciousness. So this
is the record from her saying that she's she's seen,
she's present, and that she's doing her work, so to
speak from her potential trauma that she alluded to in
(28:18):
some of her previous videos that you show that is
not someone who I.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Gotta ask you a question. She's not jamiel Ice. I'm
just wondering if you function. You know when medical doctors
don't like you to go to WebMD. They hate it
when you google what you perceive, And of course I
do it on myself. Everybody around me. I google their
symptoms and I diagnose them. Do you just hate it
when somebody has read so many self help books that
(28:46):
they diagnose themselves and start treating themselves. What is an
inner child? I've heard that a lot. What does that mean?
That she refers to the inner child and the third person.
Speaker 14 (28:58):
So basically what the inner how comes from, it comes
from childhood trauma work. So the childhood trauma work is
if someone has experienced trauma in their history that they
get stuck at that point or they had some type
of emotional needs that was not met. So the inner
child means the adult self goes back and protects. It's
kind of like you become your own parent and you
(29:19):
go back and you acknowledge the things that you needed
as a young child or the things that you that happened.
Speaker 8 (29:25):
To you are not your fault. So it's connecting your
adult self with your inner with the parts of you
that were frozen and what we call frozen that were
unhealed things that have happened in your history. It's related
to a lot of trauma work.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Okay, I'm going to try to drink in everything that
you just said. That's a lot, and I'm very curious
about why Samanta ray Booth is diagnosing herself. She does
not have a mental defect except that she had an
eating disorder and she has self loathing and she drinks
too much. That said, let's listen to her on her
(30:00):
higher purpose of bringing light, love, and healing to the world.
Speaker 11 (30:05):
Being a light worker feels like speaking an entirely different
language that most people around you cannot understand. You feel alone,
You feel isolated. You feel like, how do I have
this understanding of this language that I was not taught.
Society didn't teach me this language, But it came from
the inside.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It came from your heart.
Speaker 11 (30:23):
And you have this knowing that there is another path
that we can walk down, another way of operating and
navigating the world, and how we treat ourselves and treat
nature and treat community.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
From mpath Dot illuminated on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Concerned after not hearing from the nanny, Katie asks her
father David to check on her daughter.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Upon arrival, he discovers his granddaughter missing. What happens next
The grandpa comes in eighty three the daughter does it?
Hear back from him? She says, brother in law over.
He walks in and Samantha ray Booth comes out, I'm
like a bat out of hell. Just keep that visual.
Wielding a screwdriver, he somehow manages to pick up the
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tap girl and run. Listen to this.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Smith and his knees are sent to the hospital. First
responders tend to David Ong in the basement, the eighty
three year old man his family calls the General Giant
is laying on the floor massive injuries to his head.
Long is pronounced dead on the scene in the basement,
giving up his own life protecting his three year old granddaughter.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Straight out to a special guest joining us. Doctor Thomas Coin,
the Chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office, State
of Florida. He is a forensic pathologist, he's a toxicologist.
He is a neuropathologist, and you can find him on
x at doctor T. M. Coin Coyne. Doctor Coin, thank
(31:49):
you for taking time away from your crushing schedule of
autopsies tell me about a screw driver attack. And covered
and investigated myself so many homicides, I've often thought a
knife attack is worse than a shooting. It's just a
(32:10):
gut reaction. Having investigated so many cases and tried so
many cases, but I haven't contemplated death by screwdriver. Are
the puncture rooms with a screwdriver different from the puncture
rooms from a knife, Well.
Speaker 15 (32:28):
They tend to be smaller, right, because the diameter of
the screwdriver is much smaller than the blade of a knife,
and so you tend to have either circular or flat
wounds depending on type of screw driver. So I can
imagine if you've ever used the Phillips head screwdriver, the
tip of that screwdriver comes down to a point, there's
like a little X there, and in the skin of
a person who's been stabbed by Philip said screw driver,
(32:51):
you may actually see a circular hole with an X
mark where that tip penetrated through the skin, whereas a
flat heead screwdriver you may see a small, little flat
slit with blunt, little abrasions. And so you tend to
have characteristic wounds that are smaller than a knife and wound,
and you'll see them distributed very often, you know, in
(33:11):
critical areas.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Okay, now, dodger coin, I'm going to do it yourself
for And there are a lot of different sizes of screwdrivers.
It could be the little egpety one that you do
your eyeglasses with if you wear eyeglasses, or the really
big ones that we use when my son was doing
this eagle Scout project. So why are you assuming it's
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a small screwdriver.
Speaker 13 (33:37):
Well, I'm not assuming. I'm just saying that the actual
diameter of.
Speaker 15 (33:40):
The screwdriver itself, so regardless of whether it's a long screwdriver,
the actual diameter of the of the two person itself. So,
for instance, you know, when you see a wound and
a person that may be like a less than half
of an inch, where I believe, let's say of a
regular let's say stake knife that you have in your house,
maybe an inch or two inches, and so the actual
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wound itself tends to be smaller, often circular, especially if
you're using As Philip said.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
You know, there's something about an attack with a screwdriver,
doctor Coin. I feel that it would be even more
painful than a knife attack because the screwdriver the point
is more blunt and it would be harder to pierce
the skin. I'm sure you can verbalize my reaction. What
would you how would you respond to that?
Speaker 13 (34:30):
Well, I think you know, I mean, it's a lot
easier for a knife.
Speaker 15 (34:32):
To go in because it has a cutting edge, so
it'll go through the skin much easier, requires less force.
When're using a more blunt object, you have to use
much more force. So yeah, I would imagine each blow
would be more forceful. I'm assuming a person who's being
attacked is probably also in a state of shock, so
they may not.
Speaker 13 (34:49):
Feel the pain up front.
Speaker 15 (34:51):
But what's really the problem here is if it's a
long screwdriver, number one, it can go in further, so
it could penetrate the heart.
Speaker 13 (35:00):
And if you hit a critical.
Speaker 15 (35:01):
Area like the temporal portion of your skull, the thinnest
part of our skull, that screwdriver, if you're using in
a forest, can go right into the brain, and so
you can incapacitate a person pretty fast.
Speaker 13 (35:13):
You hit the right spot.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know, doctor Coyne, I
was noticing. What we've been able to glean so far
is that the grandpa eighty three years old had a
lot of injuries to the head and face, which I
find not only privative as to why someone stabs a
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victim in the face. But you just said temple, temple area.
You think of a temple somewhere you worship. Why is
that part of your your head called the temple?
Speaker 13 (35:55):
That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 15 (35:57):
The original Greek anatomists, who are all of the bones.
It's the temporal bone, so that's probably where it derives
his name from.
Speaker 12 (36:05):
And so the.
Speaker 15 (36:05):
Temple region is the area of skin to overlies our
temporal bone. I don't know the meaning behind why they
chose that particular word, but that's that's why we refer
to it as a temple.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Well, she's not called the naked nanny for nothing, But
try to put your prurient thoughts aside and listen to
what Samantha ray Booth said.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
After the killing, Samantha ray Booth drops the screwdriver and
her clothes. When police arrives, she's completely naked, covered in blood,
and takes off running through the neighborhood. Officers apprehend the
thirty five year old nanny and place her in the
squad car, where she begins to brag about the damage
she just caused to the og family, allegedly tailling officers,
I f him up, and yes.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I did it.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
It was too easy.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Okay, there you go. Alan Langele joining us editor of
Deadline Detroit formerly with the Washington Post as an investigative reporter.
That's not easy to get to. Alan. Let me rephrase
the so called naked nanny says, I have him up,
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and yes I did it. It was just too easy.
There's your poor wounded dear that you're all trying to
exonerate with acclaimed drug problem or mental defect, bragging about
killing Grandpa.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
I don't think any of us are trying to exonerate.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I think, as other people have said.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
We're trying to understand how the switch got clicked from
this very what appeared to be caring nanny, a very articulate,
introspective person, to really an insane person who just lost it.
And when we talk about the circumstances, she's charged with
first degree murder, which, if you look at the totality
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of the circumstances, and I defer to the lawyers here,
be pretty hard. First degree murder in Michigan is mandatory
life without parole. Second degree murder can be life, but
with the possibility of parole, and so in the totality
of just all the circumstances, I think you'd be hard
pressed to convict or plea to first degree in there.
(38:25):
But I don't think any of us are. I don't
think any of us are trying to say she should
be exonerated. It's insane. I mean, it was a brutal,
brutal thing of an elderly gentleman who seemed very loving
and caring, had four children, had a very successful career,
cared about his grandchild. It's a tragedy. It's horrific, and
(38:47):
none of us are saying she should go free. The
question will be whether she's currently mentally confident to stand
trial if she were to go to trial.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
But I'm not trying to make excuses.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Because she's stripped just because well you are, you are?
Why are you saying she's really incompetentd behavior?
Speaker 4 (39:08):
It's insane behavior. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Her murder is insane, while all the other murders they
make perfect sense. Oh yes, no, well you are doing
this because she's young and cute and you like what
she's doing on TikTok. Yeah, you're all making excuses for her.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and you know what else you did?
What else you did? You You can't be on the
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jury because you're already worried about sentencing. John Day, I
know you're not gonna like this, but you have tried
a lot of cases, and isn't it true the jury
is not to be concerned about sentencing. They are to speak.
They are to render a verdict that speaks the truth.
And you guys don't like it because she's young and
to you guys, she's cute and you can't imagine her
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committing a murderer. So she's gotten to be insane or
have a mental defect. He's already worried. He's already saying
Lango is already saying, should you live with that Burrow?
We can't do that to her. Oh, yes you can.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
No matter what the judge says, every juror considers the
effects of a conviction one way or the other, and
no matter the judge is going to say, put that
in your minds, it's not your job. But the reality is, Nancy,
we both know from doing trial work that that's not
what jurors do.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
They have that somewhere in the back of their minds,
so we can't we can't pretend that they're not going
to be thinking about that.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
But again, what everyone's doing is what I if I
was defending this case as a private lawyer or public defender,
would be thinking about, would want the jury to think.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
About, Samantha, can you cover yourself and come to the
window like the attorney said, this is going to happen
whether you wanted.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
To or not, so we might as well just getting
done with. Okay, he's trying to help you.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
He's laying on the floor.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
At the moment, completely naked. You're middle of the sill.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
John Day is joining us, veteran criminal defense attorney who
founded John Day Law. John, do you have children?
Speaker 13 (41:03):
I do.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Did you ever have one throw themselves in the floor
and have a fit.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I'm sure it happened, but it may have been, you know,
age two or three.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Possibly, yes, Okay, both of my children one time, each
one of them, Lucy and John David flung themselves in
the floor and had a fit, kicking, screaming, yanking at
their clothes, the whole thing. I just looked at them
and walked off. And guess what that worked? Here to
Alan Langele, we have Samantha ray Booth throw herself in
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the floor of her cell and strip when it's time
for arrayment, not before, not after, but just when it's
time for arrayment. Talk about attention seeking. I'm just putting
it out there, thoughts.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
I mean, she could be manipulative, she could be you know.
I mean the message is I'm crazy I'm insane just
in the totality of.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
The whole thing there.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
But could she be creating drama? Does she know what
she's doing? You know, it's hard to say. I think
obviously she needs to be evaluated to oh, yes, getting it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
So with that, Alan Langele, I agree. I don't want
anyone with a mental defect put into GPA general population.
They will be horribly tormented, torture taken advantage of. I
don't want that. I also don't want a killer to
walk free. Dave mac did I just hear you state
(42:40):
under your breath pretty is as pretty does? Did you
say that? Yeah? What do you mean by pretty is
as pretty does?
Speaker 6 (42:50):
Because you've mentioned that, you know, we might think she's attractive,
and that's why we're trying to justify her actions. And
I'm saying, no, absolutely not. You know, you're as pretty
as your actions are, and her actions are filthy and evil,
and I'm not looking for a reason to justify her actions.
I am looking at Satan who just showed up and
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put a screwdriver in eighty three year old man's head.
Speaker 13 (43:15):
Over and over.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Question what happens now, Dave Matt She has been naked,
arraigned for premeditated murder. What's happening next?
Speaker 6 (43:31):
No bail for her and she actually is scheduled for
her next court appearance on the seventh.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Well, John Day will have a field day putting all
of you on his jury. He's already revealed his trial
tactic and he might just succeed. This case is being
built now, and we have heard from her boyfriend who
says just before the stabbings that she stated she knew
(44:01):
the grandpa was coming over to relieve her for a
meal break. That's damning. It's damning because she was in
her right mind and she was not surprised by the
grandpa when he came in the door. That is a
damning FaceTime, and I expect he will be called as
a state's witness. If you know or think you know
(44:24):
anything about this case, please dial the Royal Oak PD
two four eight two four six three thousand, repeat two
four eight two four six three thousand. We remember an
American hero, Senior Patrol Officer Daniel Ellis Richmond p D. Kentucky,
(44:45):
shot and killed in the line of duty after seven
years serving and protecting, leaving behind his wife turned widow,
Katie and son Luke American Hero. Senior Patrol Office, Sir
Daniel Ellis, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend, m HM
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