February 8, 2025 • 45 mins
Will the Ana Walshe murder investigation be derailed by the Karen Read mistrial? Trooper Michael Proctor investigated both the John O'Keefe's murder trial of which Karen Read is accused, and the Ana Walshe disappearance and investigation. In the Read trial, Proctor faced allegations of misconduct. During the trial, highly offensive text messages were revealed, sent by Proctor to colleagues, friends, and family members while investigating John O'Keefe's death.
Trooper Michael Proctor is facing a trial board hearing. The outcome could affect the prosecution of Brian Walshe, indicted for the murder of his wife, Ana. Prosecutors say the 48-year-old husband dismembered Ana Walshe and discarded her body in multiple trash cans in the area. Police have recovered blood-stained items from the home, including a hacksaw.
Walshe has pleaded 'not guilty' to first-degree murder.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- David Studdard - Spalding County, Ga. Assistant District Attorney; Former Police Officer
- Caryn Stark - Psychologist; Twitter: @carnpsych
- Tom Ruskin - Private Investigator, President of the CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.; Former New York City Police Detective Investigator; Twitter: @tomruskin
- Julie Lewis - President & CEO, Digital Mountain, Inc.
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth); Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School
- Bob Ward - Reporter for Boston 25 News; Twitter: Bward3,
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bombshell in the Brian wals murder case, charged with the
brutal murderer of his wife, Anna, the mother of their
little boys, and the likely dismemberment of her.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh, the bombshell. It's so upsetting.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You recall the Karen Reid case, right, the girlfriend accused
of running over her boyfriend in the snow and killing him.
How could we forget it? That case ended in mistrial
hung jury. What does the Karen read prosecution have to
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do with Brian Walt reportedly murdering his wife. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is crime Stories for being with us. In the
last days, there have been hours and hours of motions
in court regarding the Brian Walsh murder case. Some of
(01:12):
those motions dealt with DNA results. There's been a delay
in the DNA results because the DNA samples went through
a private lab and there's a hold up over who's
going to pay for that testing. But now all focus
is on Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, who led
(01:34):
the investigation into the Anna Walsh murder case. Why why
is all the focus on him? Proctor is set to
face a trial board next week due to allegations of
misconduct and the Karen Reid murder case. Proctor was the
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leading investigator in both cases.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
His testimony at.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Karen Reid's for his trial, as I said, ended in
a hung jury, raised questions among some people regarding police integrity.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh no, is the Karen Reid case.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Going to destroy the Anna Walsh murder investigation?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Oh? Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Refresher what exactly happened in the Anna Walsh murder case?
Friends and family or stunned when Anna disappears after a
New Year's Eve party?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Listen new tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Police were asking the public to help them find a
cohaset Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without a trace
on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old Anna Walsh
left her home early Sunday morning. She was supposed to
take a flight from Logan to DC, where she works
during the week, but there's no record of her ever
boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports that she
took a ride show, but investigators haven't been able.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
To confirm that.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
share in Cohacit. We confurther, we have confirmed with the
A lines and that's been a challenge that she did
not board a plane this week.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Police say her phone has been off and there has
been no activity on her credit or debit cards. Just
a loving wife and mother, Dave.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
She always says, three beautiful boys, three beautiful boys, So
she loves so.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Much too, little boys wondering where is mommy?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You were hearing our friends at wp R I and WUSA.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So where's Anna now?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I had to take that exact flight very often, and
between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a
triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel
to make sense of what we know right now, But
first I'm going to go to Bob Ward, reporter for
Boston twenty five News. You can find him at Twitter
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at b Ward three. Bob, thank you for being with us.
Could you just verbalize that a little bit better than
I did? I mean, I know, out of in New York,
I would very often have to race from Court TV
to get to the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a
different terminal than the main LaGuardia terminal because they had
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hourly flights not only to Atlanta but to d C
where I would go to shoot Larry King. And believe
it or not, they were so regular, almost like a bus.
For Pete's sake. I could be there within two hours
of leaving the studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But
there's so many flights out of Logan to New York
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and DC. That's a lot of investigation to find out
if she really did get on a plane.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Right.
Speaker 8 (04:54):
But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning, this
sounded odd because you're talking. This was New year Year's Day.
This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.
She had a party at her house that went until
about one o'clock in the morning New Year's Eve into
New Year's Day. A mother of three who claimed there
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was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay, we wait, let me, let me let's start right there.
Bob Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five mews.
I'm drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward.
You're giving me so much information so quickly. So with
the three children, she was actually working in DC, living
in the Boston area, and what was her job in DC?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Was it a new job?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It was.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
It was a fairly new job, you know. But she
had a job with an apartment down in d C.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, what was her job in DC?
Speaker 8 (05:50):
She was not a realtor, but she was some kind
of property manager.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on,
just a moment we all know. About getting a new job,
you feel like you've got to do whatever they want
to make that great impression so they don't say, Wow,
we've got her on six months probation. We're going to
can her. She's not doing a very good job. I mean,
David Stuttard is with me right now, Guys. Now I
(06:15):
think of David Stutter as a motorman, as an APD
Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is a very
well known lawyer. David Stutter. Do you remember your first
day on the job as a cop?
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Absolutely?
Speaker 9 (06:31):
I do.
Speaker 10 (06:32):
And it was a long long time ago, nineteen to
eighty eight. And I do remember my first day, and
I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting to
get out and stay in the world and.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Didn't want to screw anything up and land at some
desk assignment.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
That's right. We were on a very strict six month
probationary period when we first started there, and any infraction
would cause you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely,
I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
to get that probationary career.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And then you put yourself through law skill.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Can you remember your first day working as a lawyer, like, man,
I'm gon unscrew this up.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
This is nothing like being a cop.
Speaker 10 (07:09):
That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling.
Speaker 11 (07:11):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Karen Stark, you remember you would be with me on
the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me,
a renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction.
She's at Karenstark dot com, Karen with the Sea. Karen,
You'd be with me on the set at Court TV,
and my stomach would be churning to figure out if
I can make that flight to get to Larry King's
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studios in Washington to get on the air, you know,
and I would make it. I don't think I ever
did not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you
got to fly to d C to be on tonight.
I go, sure, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Just like this.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Woman, They go, hey, you got to fly down to
d C. We got an emergency. I don't care if
it's New Year's Day. And she would hop that plane
would do you agree with that?
Speaker 9 (07:58):
I would agree with it, Nancy, And I remember those
days like it was yesterday, and you were always doing
above and beyond what you needed to do. I used
to watch Jo and Larry King because I couldn't believe
that you would make it, and you always made it.
Speaker 10 (08:12):
But what pressure.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, there were a.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Lot of white knuckles and a cab trying to get
to LaGuardia Marine. So we're hearing from Bob Ward that
something wasn't right. But yet it was a new job,
so people talked it off. Well, you know, she's proving herself.
But then things even went more sideways. Take a listen
to our friends at Boston twenty five.
Speaker 12 (08:34):
A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how
the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
a well being check was made on January fourth by
a man who identified himself as the head of security
at Honor Walsh's employer, in DC Tishman Spyer. The log
says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
According to the log on his phone, last pig on
January second at three fourteen am in Cohasset and hit
the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than a
mile from the family's home.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Okay with me.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Very well known PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us.
Ruskin is president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.
Former NYPD investigator, and you can find him at cmpdashgroup
dot com. Tom Ruskin, I don't like it when it's
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your job calling to report you missing, not your family.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Correct. I mean it distinks to the high heavens. It
really does. Not to mention that it is a lot
easier now than when I joined the force before my
colleague in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to
check TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only a
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certain number of airlines that would fly between her home
and Washington, DC, and it's very easy for the TSA
and Holy insecurity to go into those records now and
search for her name, her data, birth and see if
she A had a plane reservation, B did she clear
(10:23):
security with all the cameras that are in airports, and
C did she actually get on the flight?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point.
I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going and
your life at this stutter, going to the greyhound bus
station in inner city Atlanta, trying to find out if
a particular woman who always into this day is still
a Jane Day by the way, who was murdered, if
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she had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she
was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.
Don't worry. I got them on one one. He's still
in jail right now. Prison prison, not jail.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But it was so hard to.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Do, Tom Nancy. You'll also remember when you ran from
Court TV to the Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport.
You used to be able to run through no matainetometers.
You'd run on a Delta flight or People's Express flight
or Eastern back then, and you just jump on the
flight with a random ticket that you could say any hour. Nowadays,
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you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh no, tsa man.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They got to justify their existence and so they will
do a full long body cavity search if they feel
like it. It doesn't matter who you are. You know who
you get searched the most. My mother with a wheelchair
when we push her around the airport, even though she
can walk.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a
couple of.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Air carriers that go between Boston and DC.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Anna Walts was reported missing
in January. A few weeks later, husband Brian Walsh was
arrested on charges including murder, misleading the investigators, and moving
a human body. His computer searches were damning, like how
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long does it take a body to start smelling?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
He is now being held behind bars pending trial. The
Anna Waltsch murderer is one of the most high profile
murder cases in recent years. Anna Waltz first reported missing
just after New Year's Day, and the search became more
and more desperate. What exactly do we know about Anna's disappearance?
The employer is reporting on a missing not her family,
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but listen to this WBZ.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends. It's the
same day Anna was reported missing to police.
Speaker 13 (13:12):
Said Brian Walsh, and hopeful is going well.
Speaker 10 (13:15):
I just appreciated to basically everybody I could.
Speaker 13 (13:18):
Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days. You know,
anyone that might have that contact with her. Just you
calling everyone.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So I've heard to bother you here everything fine.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So we do see the husband reaching out to her
friends and leaving voicemails for all of them, trying to
find out if they had heard from Anna.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Joining me right now.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Julie lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. At
Digitalmountain dot com. Julie, thank you for being with us.
Tom Ruskin. The PI points out how much easier it
is to check flight records through TSA and even getting
subpoenas very quickly or asking the carrier like Delta to
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check their records to find out if somebody made a flight.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So according to police, she didn't make that flight.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
But what Julie lewis about ride share, lift Uber and
all the others Digitally wouldn't that leave a trail if
she had taken a right chair to the airport.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
You can certainly contact the custodian of records at the
ubers the lists and types of companies that she would
have taken a ride share and find out that information
with legal due process and.
Speaker 14 (14:38):
See what you know, what the actual fact pattern is there?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, what about her phone?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I mean most people get their right chair through their
phone app.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
If you have access to her yes, if you have
access to her phone, you knew the whereabouts of that phone,
you would have access to the app, but most that.
Speaker 14 (14:59):
Data would be stored in the cloud and pointing up
to the Uber application.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Not it might not be stored on the local phone.
So that's something to consider.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't
have her phone, but we do have her code, say
it's like everybody else in America their birthday or their
children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone,
can we get into the iCloud that way?
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Typically you would need the user name, you would need
a password for the accounts, and you would also if
they have multifacturer authentication turned on the code from the text.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Message so a little harder than I thought. But you
know what we're talking about her.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Phone and where she Where is the husband during all
of this? Take to listen to our cut thirty five
Lynn Bi Lund talking, I.
Speaker 11 (15:56):
Need to indicating our Jauary verse, not the threep. He
did some mearns and which was not his house in swamps,
but lost because he didn't have a swamp. He said
he knew he was lost when he saw a pirate
ship one root one defender state, stayed fifteen minutes, then
went to.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Whole Foods and CBS.
Speaker 11 (16:14):
Savanas's checked and he did not enter either at those stores.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Okay, Bob Ward, Boston, twenty five on this the disappearance
of Anen Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship
en route one what okay, no, wait a minute, wait
wait wait wait, So he says the husband says he's
going to visit his mother and he gets lost on
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the way to his mom's home, and when he sees
a pirate ship, he knows he's lost, but then goes
into Whole Foods of CBS even though he's lost.
Speaker 13 (16:51):
What the pirate.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
Ship is a landmark on the rout one area there's
that area of Swampskip where his mother lives. There are
some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that sort of thing,
And I think that's what it was that he's talking about,
was a landmark that he saw that told him where
he was. And he said he got lost because he
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didn't have a GPS on his phone with him, because
he's left it at home.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Karen Starry, I find that very unusual.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I've told that my twins is like the wizards and
their wands and Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it. Well,
doesn't make sense to me he didn't have a cell phone,
especially if he hasn't her from his wife. Wouldn't you
keep your cell phone with you at that time in
case she called?
Speaker 9 (17:37):
Well, let's think about this, Nancy. How many people really
leave home these days without their phone.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's it's improbable.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home
and he knows that he's being watched. It seems to
me so he intentionally left that phone home. I have
no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows
exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
In the search for Anna Walch local authorities find something
very unusual.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Take a listen to our cut forty.
Speaker 11 (18:15):
Data from the phone also tracked his whereaboats on January third.
Locations were traveled at four twenty seven on January third
to an important complex in Abagen. So Veillance shows the
defendant's Bobbo as well as male fitting the dependent's appearance Exeter.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Cob near the dumpster.
Speaker 11 (18:33):
He walks to the dumpster carrying garbage bag he's leaning
and it appears to be heavy as he has to
it keft it into the dumpster.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He walks to the dumpster.
Speaker 11 (18:45):
With garbage bag and leaves it on full. Forty eight
he hit another complex in Avergeon and at five to
ten pm, cell phone shows records at another apartment that
brought Tom. Video shows a party consistent with his appearance
in his global again you Decided ims in the dumpster.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Bob Ward joining us from Boston twenty five on his
disappearance from the very beginning, I don't have a problem
with my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster
outside our house, but when he starts going from one
dumpster to the next dumpster, to the next dumpster to
the next dumpster, all in within a one hour period.
(19:27):
That concerns me. And you know who reminds me of
and you're gonna know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's
the missing Connecticut mom of five. Remember her husband, Fotus
Dillos and his mistress. They're going all around town dropping
off items and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it,
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Bob Ward, maybe you can shed some light on this.
Why is it that when a woman goes missing, her
husband suddenly turns into a knee nick and he has
to throw out the trash.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
Good question, Nancy, I think we know the answer to.
And that's the allegation here. Sadly, that January third incident
that you just played the cut from the dumpsters in
the South Shore and Abington and Brockton. What we're going
to find out in court that is, when the remains
of on A. Walsh are being discarded in those dumpsters,
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those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator in the
South Shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour of those
dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed. Onna Walsh's
remains have never been located, and the thought is that
they never will be because that's where those bags were brought.
The other trash bags that were recovered in this case
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were brought to the north shore near that pirate ship
that we just talked about, and they were not brought
to an incinerator, but to a landfill they were found.
And it's inside I don't know from getting ahead of us,
but inside those trash bags is where the evidence, the
incriminating evidence has been located in this case.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Board, could you tell me everything you just said one
more time in very slowly. I think the gist is
that very quickly after husband Brian Walch visited these various dumpsters,
the dumpsters were cleaned out were the trash was picked
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up and taken some to an incinerator and some to
the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on,
wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark, have you
ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny bit of
truth into their big fat lie the pirate ship?
Speaker 9 (21:40):
I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy,
is because it's usually based on a hint of truth.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Right, like no smoke without fire.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
There's a little bit of smoke, but the rest of
it they conjure up, and they're very adept at being
able to tell a lie that has a little bit
of true innet that a lot of fauted.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I like the rebetist conjure, I like a magician or
a wizard, because one moment on a Walsh is there
with witnesses at a New Year's Eve party, and the
next moment she's gone, Okay, Bob Ward joining me. Investigative
Report of Boston twenty five, tell me again what you
just said.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
So on January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors,
is recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into
dumpsters in the south Shore of Boston in the towns
of Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash
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bags that he was struggling with to get into the
dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife, on A Walsh.
Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to
an incinerator in the south Shore. Within an hour of
those trash arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated and
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converted into electricity, and Anna Walsh's remains have never been found.
It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.
The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did not,
allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in the
case on the south Shore. The allegation is that he
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took his tools, the instruments that he used to dismember
his wife's body, along with some of her clothes and belongings,
and put them in other trash bags and discarded those
things in dumpsters on the north shore of Boston near
his mother's house, near that pirate ship. Those trash bags
have been recovered and those items are going to be
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an important part of this case, in this trial when
it takes place.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those
trash bags in January?
Speaker 8 (23:58):
What we've been told was that they found a hatchet,
a hack saw, they found a bloody rug, they found
Anna's product purse, they found the boots that she was
seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, and Nancy,
they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what
they found.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer and.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Now lawyer, what rank did you get to startard?
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I left?
Speaker 10 (24:29):
There's an investigator. Nante's a homicide detective when I left.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body,
a homicide.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Without a body?
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (24:38):
I had.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Can I just say that's a tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 11 (24:43):
It is.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
But fortunately even in those cases, and this guy look,
you know, as a homicide detective, I would have been
looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact
that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue,
he hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after
he is contacted by her employer does he make an
outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets
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on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard
from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down,
I get Frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know,
trying to call her and call her. This guy has
done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean,
he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,
and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,
which to my point is, you know, even the most
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careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's
almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of
forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a
mountain of it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I mean, and could you here's another thing, Julie Lewis,
I want to circle back to you just a moment
about possible NAV systems on his car. But Tom Rusk
in joining me and then don't want Karen start to
weigh in on.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
This as well.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Tom Ruski guys private investigator or extraordinay, President of CMP
Protective and Investigative Group. Tom listen, I don't like jewelry.
I really don't like fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars.
But if you were to take let's just say, this
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little ring right here, this is made of my mother
in law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin, it's not be jeweled,
But if you were to take that, I would come
after you, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
There are just some things that would matter to me.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And I've got a funny feeling this woman would not
want her fancy boots and her product hers thrown out.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
No, and it would be weird if she had left
and left for a business trip, if she didn't take
those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the
house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely lead, the
prime suspect and probably will be convicted at trial. The
fact of the matter is, to the other gentleman's point,
(27:07):
you don't need a body anymore to prove a case.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
It sure helps, though, man, come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,
you don't need a body. I'm not going to give
him a gold star for getting rid of the body.
And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing
on the evidence that we have. But its sure, as
hegg helps if you do have a dead body to
prove a murder case.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
But it also goes against him because we know that
he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What
is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His
pickup's not working at his house?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Karen starts, He's so right. And Karen, again, I threw
this to Stuttard earlier. I think, but why do you
guys turn into nat nix as soon as their wives disappear?
And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying
about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.
(28:02):
He doesn't check on his wife to see if she
landed her employer has to call looking for her.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And then he wants to take out the trash.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Fine, do it at the corner at the end of
the driveway or the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan.
But why do you go to five or six different dumpsters?
And because somebody just surprised me wants and not throw
bloody rags and towels in a dumpster.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Do something different?
Speaker 9 (28:23):
What always happens?
Speaker 13 (28:24):
Nancy.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
He believes he's not going to get caught, and this
looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean he gets lost going
to his mother.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He didn't get lost.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
He's trying to explain his circuitous route from one dump
to the.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Next, and also saying that he went to places where
they could check and he did not go.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
So, Nancy, can I jump in for one second? Yes,
I just want to bring Wilso bring up the fact
this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband has
nothing to do with her murder. This is a woman
who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston to
Washington on a business trip. Why is her phone off?
(29:06):
No one that travels myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,
we go to the airport, you show off your phone
once you're on the flight, and you turn it on
to mister Startard's point once you land, why is she
becoming all of a sudden surreptitious or becoming covert in
her actions? You're right, which sort of deflies the logic
(29:28):
of the husband.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Tom Ruskin, private investigator. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I mean, I don't guess any of you people on
this panel have read Don't Be a Victim written by
Oh what's that girl's name?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You're supposed to like take a picture of when you're
in the parking deck, which I do and send in
my family, and then when I get on the plane,
I take a picture i'm on the plane and send
to them. You don't even have to write a text
or write words, but just let people know where you're going. Jackie,
I think I've even sent them to you before. Yes, okay, guys,
(30:02):
that's not the end of it. But I want to
ask Julie Louis Something, President and CEO of Digital Mountain Inch. Julie,
what about I like to just say on Star as
a blanket nav description, wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
His car show everywhere he had been? If it were you?
Know anything older than twenty ten.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
So before I jump into that, I just you were
talking about pictures and there was.
Speaker 14 (30:27):
Supposedly a picture she photographed of herself with her wedding
ring off in some of her final photos, and so
within that picture there's things called excess data that you
can look for that potentially could have geolocation information about
where she was when the picture was taken.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
catch that, Julie Lewis so.
Speaker 14 (30:49):
Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is
a moving computer these days. On most cars with why
buy has GPS, it has a cell network, all these
things that you can use for tracking. So if Brian's
car has has that in it, law enforcement could have
(31:10):
certainly used that information. The other thing that happens in
cars is a lot of people think their phones and
so text messages, contacts, you know, browser.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
History, all these things may be on that on the car.
Speaker 14 (31:26):
Now.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
You know, for example, if you rent a car, even
that information can be on that. So that's something that's
really important to note.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,
the car can track everything that you have written on
your phone during.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
That time, it could be thinking like when you when
you are in an Uber your playlist.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
Depending on the configuration, it could actually download that. So
you don't want to go in some stranger's car rental
car and plug it in because the car and votainment
system could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I can't believe what's happening.
What does the Karen read prosecution have to do with
the Anna Walsh murder? The facts in Anna's disappearance and
(32:29):
murder and likely dismemberment are overwhelming. Will her husband walk
free because the lead investigator in the Ann A Walsh case.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Also worked the Karen Reid case? Oh no.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
When I say the evidence is strong in the Anna
Walsh disappearance and murder case, I really mean it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
What do we know about Google searches?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I mean what an idiot? I just can't stress this enough.
Take a listen to our cut thirty six. This is
Land Blan talking.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
On January first, offenitive Google using a son's iPad.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Some of his searches are as follows.
Speaker 15 (33:14):
Keep in mind that.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
The pendant said he left at sixty six am at
four fifty five am on January first, he searched how
long before a body starts to smell?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?
Speaker 9 (33:31):
Eight am?
Speaker 11 (33:32):
How to stop a body from decomposing? At five twenty
am he searched how to bound the body? At five
forty seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead
body if you really need to. At six twenty five
am on the first, how long for someone to be
missing to inherit?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
At six thirty four am on the first, can you
go away?
Speaker 12 (33:56):
Body?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Pots? Okay?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I think need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance
County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School.
Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. Let
me just ask you a couple leads, and I'd like
to point out also this is food for thought for you.
Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, Like they don't
(34:25):
know how to read the search history, and there's daddy searching.
How long before a body starts to smell? How do
you stop a body from decomposing? How to get rid
of a body? Ten ways to dispose.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Of a dead body if you really need to. I'm
glad he had to check that on at the end.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
How long before how long for someone to be missing
to inherit? That's not for you, Crowns. Can you throw
away body parts?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter
that you don't need the dead body to prove that
someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give me
some quick answers to those this is a lightning round
for you.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
How long before a body starts to smell?
Speaker 13 (35:10):
Doctor Crown's for to ten days?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
That just rolled off the tip of your tongue.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I'm not going to ask why how do you stop
a body from decomposing?
Speaker 13 (35:18):
Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they
found in the iceberg ot see the iceman. He was
missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in the icebergs. Really,
refrigeration is the best way to prevent a body from decomposing.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you
really need to.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
That's not a medical question. Let me go to the
next medical question. Can you throw away body parts?
Speaker 13 (35:43):
You have to, you know, if you don't want the
trash man to notice some putam and dumpsters like which
was possibly done in this case, and then dismember the
individual into small enough parts that they aren't recognizable as
human and then mix them in with other trash. And
another good way is to put them in. I think
(36:06):
it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the body
parts down into kind of a sluge.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually mane scaring.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Many people that are listening to you right now putting
it in pool. Waite a minute, Karen start. I know
you've got something toad. Hold on. What did you say
about pool cleaner, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 13 (36:25):
There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in
pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it
off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve
the dismembered body parts down relatively, it'll dissolve the bone
as well, and it'll just kind of make this kind
of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,
doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I really am.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
But guess what, guys, there's more Take a listen again
to lend biland at nine twenty nine AM.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
What does from aldehyde do?
Speaker 11 (36:57):
At nine thirty four one?
Speaker 14 (36:59):
First?
Speaker 11 (37:00):
How long does then a list?
Speaker 9 (37:02):
At nine fifty nine am.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Can identification be made when passion remains? At eleven thirty
four AM? Dismendment and the best ways to dispose of
the body at eleven forty four?
Speaker 14 (37:15):
How to pen blood from wood and flu at.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
Eleven fifty six on the first M and all to
detect blood at one oh eight?
Speaker 13 (37:23):
What happens when.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
You put body pots in a moment at one twenty
one PM is better than throw crime scene close away
or wash them? Those one the general worst?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions
are so.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And three little boys are left without their mother while
this guy is googling what does for meldehyde do? How
long does DNA last? Can an ID be made on
partial remains?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Member?
Speaker 9 (38:00):
Meant?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Best ways to dispose of a body? What happens when
you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away
crime scene clothes or wash them?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
So?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
To doctor Kendel Crown's Lightning round, Dctor crowns how long
does DNA last.
Speaker 15 (38:15):
You can find the nams on surfaces for years. We
just from aldehyde do from aldehyde is a fixative also,
that's what you use to kind of pickle the organs
to keep them preserved for a long periods of time.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
What happens when you put body parts anemonia? Doctor Kendl
crowns that one.
Speaker 13 (38:34):
I don't know. That's a new one to me as
far as I know, I've stopped.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
You're out, No, don't go, I've got more.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Oh well, one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen
one can R three That.
Speaker 11 (38:47):
Same day at one o two pm to do some
more Google searches. What happens to hear on a dead
body at one thirteen pm? What is the rate of
decomposition of the body in a plastic bag compared to
on a service in the woods at one pm?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
To eighty soda mask? Or maybe hey, body is not good?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Can baking soda make a body? A dead body smell good?
These Google searches have led to a bombshell.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Development in the search for Anna Walch. Bob were joining me?
Boston twenty five News an indictment explain.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
Who was indicted on three counts? There was murder, misleading investigators,
and improper disposal of a body. Natcy Can I just
say one thing about the internet searches, and it's one
thing that has just absolutely haunted me when I go
back over this timeline and you realize that there was
a New Year's Eve party, that there were three people
(39:48):
at this party. It was Brian Anna, and they had
one guest in the house, and that guest left the
house somewhere between twelve thirty and one o'clock in the morning.
That first church. How long before a body starts to
smell is at four fifty five am. On A Walsh
was alive at one o'clock in the morning, and at
(40:09):
four fifty five am she's gone and that search is done,
and I just think about that and I think that
she's in the house. They also found we haven't talked
about this in the district court arraignment. They said that
they found blood in the basement and they found I
think it was two bloody knives, one broken bloody knife
(40:31):
in the basement and a heavy smell of ammonia in
the basement of the house. So you know, I'm picturing
in my mind that her body is there in the basement.
He's killed her, and he goes and he finds his
kid's iPad and he's doing these searches within a couple
of hours of his wife being there, someone that he loved,
And this is what he is doing. I had a story,
(40:54):
I broke a story about how he threatened to kill
her back in twenty fourteen. And here he is, in
the first day of twenty twenty three, in the house
with her dead body and he this is she isn't
even cold, and he is already coming up with this
plan on what to do with her remains. I you know,
the depravity of this case. I've been doing this for forty years,
(41:16):
and the depravity of this case to me is really
just off the charts.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
The three children, the three little boys, now no mom
and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters,
motive never has to be proven in court, but mom,
why why did.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
He do this?
Speaker 8 (41:37):
There's another There's another detail here too, And from talking
to investigators, the New York Post had this, this picture
you all may have seen, and I talked to an
investigator about this. There was a champagne, a box of
champagne from the party that the New York Post got
a picture of that was that was on the dining
(41:57):
room table. I went knocked on the door or when
before all this blew out, Before everything happened, I was
trying to talk to Brian. I did you know when
she was missing?
Speaker 10 (42:06):
And we didn't know what we.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Were getting ourselves into, really really early on, and I
could see inside and the Christmas tree was still set
up and it was still lit. You could see inside.
I didn't see what I'm about to describe to you
because the police hadn't done their search yet. So they
found a bottle of champagne and I was still in
its box, and the New York Post got a picture
(42:28):
of this, and on the side of the box on
a Walsh had written a note to Brian on New
Year's Eve that said, to Brian, we made it through
twenty twenty two. It was a tough year, but twenty
twenty three is going to be a great year. I
love you, Anna, and it had hearts written on it.
(42:50):
And the investigator that I spoke to said they believed
that that was her. Those are her last words to
the world. And when I look at there's another Internet
search here from December twenty seventh. They did not describe
where the Internet search was found, so they didn't say
(43:10):
if it was on the kids iPad or it was
on a phone or a computer. But all it said
was the best state for a divorce for a man.
So that's from December twenty seventh, when Honor still alive,
before the New Year's Eve party. And it makes me
wonder if Anna, if this, whatever happened, whatever happened New
(43:30):
Year's Eve, if Anna never saw this coming just came
out of the blue. I think because the story that
I broke about the threat that she complained back in
twenty fourteen, before they were engaged, they were just dating.
She complained to DC police that he threatened to kill
her in twenty fourteen. I think, and I know investigators
(43:55):
think that this is a domestic violence case and there's
an escalation that started then in twenty eighteen, there's a
selfie picture of her where she's pointing at a bruise
on her face and she said that she walked, she
fell at work or something. It's on one of her
Instagram accounts, and I think there was an escalation of
(44:15):
domestic violence. I don't think the police were ever called,
but something happened was going on behind the scenes, and
this is going to be one of the things that
I'm going to be watching for to try to understand
what happened here and how this exploded, because you don't
you don't get to this kind of and this hatred
to you know, I can understand a moment of passion
(44:39):
of murder of you know, a moment of anger, but
this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here and
these messages that are caught on the iPad and then
what we've been talking about with the disposal of the body,
it's almost too much.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
What does the Ana Walsh and murder prosecution have to
to do with the Karen Reid hung jury.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
One thing, the.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Lead investigator, Michael Procter, we wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bombshell in the Brian wals murder case, charged with the
brutal murderer of his wife, Anna, the mother of their
little boys, and the likely dismemberment of her.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh, the bombshell. It's so upsetting.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You recall the Karen Reid case, right, the girlfriend accused
of running over her boyfriend in the snow and killing him.
How could we forget it? That case ended in mistrial
hung jury. What does the Karen read prosecution have to
(00:51):
do with Brian Walt reportedly murdering his wife. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is crime Stories for being with us. In the
last days, there have been hours and hours of motions
in court regarding the Brian Walsh murder case. Some of
(01:12):
those motions dealt with DNA results. There's been a delay
in the DNA results because the DNA samples went through
a private lab and there's a hold up over who's
going to pay for that testing. But now all focus
is on Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, who led
(01:34):
the investigation into the Anna Walsh murder case. Why why
is all the focus on him? Proctor is set to
face a trial board next week due to allegations of
misconduct and the Karen Reid murder case. Proctor was the
(01:59):
leading investigator in both cases.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
His testimony at.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Karen Reid's for his trial, as I said, ended in
a hung jury, raised questions among some people regarding police integrity.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh no, is the Karen Reid case.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Going to destroy the Anna Walsh murder investigation?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Oh? Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Refresher what exactly happened in the Anna Walsh murder case?
Friends and family or stunned when Anna disappears after a
New Year's Eve party?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Listen new tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Police were asking the public to help them find a
cohaset Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without a trace
on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old Anna Walsh
left her home early Sunday morning. She was supposed to
take a flight from Logan to DC, where she works
during the week, but there's no record of her ever
boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports that she
took a ride show, but investigators haven't been able.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
To confirm that.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
share in Cohacit. We confurther, we have confirmed with the
A lines and that's been a challenge that she did
not board a plane this week.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Police say her phone has been off and there has
been no activity on her credit or debit cards. Just
a loving wife and mother, Dave.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
She always says, three beautiful boys, three beautiful boys, So
she loves so.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Much too, little boys wondering where is mommy?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You were hearing our friends at wp R I and WUSA.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So where's Anna now?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I had to take that exact flight very often, and
between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a
triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel
to make sense of what we know right now, But
first I'm going to go to Bob Ward, reporter for
Boston twenty five News. You can find him at Twitter
(04:05):
at b Ward three. Bob, thank you for being with us.
Could you just verbalize that a little bit better than
I did? I mean, I know, out of in New York,
I would very often have to race from Court TV
to get to the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a
different terminal than the main LaGuardia terminal because they had
(04:27):
hourly flights not only to Atlanta but to d C
where I would go to shoot Larry King. And believe
it or not, they were so regular, almost like a bus.
For Pete's sake. I could be there within two hours
of leaving the studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But
there's so many flights out of Logan to New York
(04:49):
and DC. That's a lot of investigation to find out
if she really did get on a plane.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Right.
Speaker 8 (04:54):
But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning, this
sounded odd because you're talking. This was New year Year's Day.
This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.
She had a party at her house that went until
about one o'clock in the morning New Year's Eve into
New Year's Day. A mother of three who claimed there
(05:15):
was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay, we wait, let me, let me let's start right there.
Bob Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five mews.
I'm drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward.
You're giving me so much information so quickly. So with
the three children, she was actually working in DC, living
in the Boston area, and what was her job in DC?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Was it a new job?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It was.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
It was a fairly new job, you know. But she
had a job with an apartment down in d C.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, what was her job in DC?
Speaker 8 (05:50):
She was not a realtor, but she was some kind
of property manager.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on,
just a moment we all know. About getting a new job,
you feel like you've got to do whatever they want
to make that great impression so they don't say, Wow,
we've got her on six months probation. We're going to
can her. She's not doing a very good job. I mean,
David Stuttard is with me right now, Guys. Now I
(06:15):
think of David Stutter as a motorman, as an APD
Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is a very
well known lawyer. David Stutter. Do you remember your first
day on the job as a cop?
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Absolutely?
Speaker 9 (06:31):
I do.
Speaker 10 (06:32):
And it was a long long time ago, nineteen to
eighty eight. And I do remember my first day, and
I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting to
get out and stay in the world and.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Didn't want to screw anything up and land at some
desk assignment.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
That's right. We were on a very strict six month
probationary period when we first started there, and any infraction
would cause you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely,
I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
to get that probationary career.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And then you put yourself through law skill.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Can you remember your first day working as a lawyer, like, man,
I'm gon unscrew this up.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
This is nothing like being a cop.
Speaker 10 (07:09):
That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling.
Speaker 11 (07:11):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Karen Stark, you remember you would be with me on
the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me,
a renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction.
She's at Karenstark dot com, Karen with the Sea. Karen,
You'd be with me on the set at Court TV,
and my stomach would be churning to figure out if
I can make that flight to get to Larry King's
(07:32):
studios in Washington to get on the air, you know,
and I would make it. I don't think I ever
did not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you
got to fly to d C to be on tonight.
I go, sure, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Just like this.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Woman, They go, hey, you got to fly down to
d C. We got an emergency. I don't care if
it's New Year's Day. And she would hop that plane
would do you agree with that?
Speaker 9 (07:58):
I would agree with it, Nancy, And I remember those
days like it was yesterday, and you were always doing
above and beyond what you needed to do. I used
to watch Jo and Larry King because I couldn't believe
that you would make it, and you always made it.
Speaker 10 (08:12):
But what pressure.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, there were a.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Lot of white knuckles and a cab trying to get
to LaGuardia Marine. So we're hearing from Bob Ward that
something wasn't right. But yet it was a new job,
so people talked it off. Well, you know, she's proving herself.
But then things even went more sideways. Take a listen
to our friends at Boston twenty five.
Speaker 12 (08:34):
A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how
the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
a well being check was made on January fourth by
a man who identified himself as the head of security
at Honor Walsh's employer, in DC Tishman Spyer. The log
says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
According to the log on his phone, last pig on
January second at three fourteen am in Cohasset and hit
the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than a
mile from the family's home.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Okay with me.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Very well known PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us.
Ruskin is president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.
Former NYPD investigator, and you can find him at cmpdashgroup
dot com. Tom Ruskin, I don't like it when it's
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your job calling to report you missing, not your family.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Correct. I mean it distinks to the high heavens. It
really does. Not to mention that it is a lot
easier now than when I joined the force before my
colleague in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to
check TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only a
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certain number of airlines that would fly between her home
and Washington, DC, and it's very easy for the TSA
and Holy insecurity to go into those records now and
search for her name, her data, birth and see if
she A had a plane reservation, B did she clear
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security with all the cameras that are in airports, and
C did she actually get on the flight?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point.
I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going and
your life at this stutter, going to the greyhound bus
station in inner city Atlanta, trying to find out if
a particular woman who always into this day is still
a Jane Day by the way, who was murdered, if
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she had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she
was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.
Don't worry. I got them on one one. He's still
in jail right now. Prison prison, not jail.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But it was so hard to.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Do, Tom Nancy. You'll also remember when you ran from
Court TV to the Marine Air terminal at Laguadi Airport.
You used to be able to run through no matainetometers.
You'd run on a Delta flight or People's Express flight
or Eastern back then, and you just jump on the
flight with a random ticket that you could say any hour. Nowadays,
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you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh no, tsa man.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They got to justify their existence and so they will
do a full long body cavity search if they feel
like it. It doesn't matter who you are. You know who
you get searched the most. My mother with a wheelchair
when we push her around the airport, even though she
can walk.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin, there's only a
couple of.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Air carriers that go between Boston and DC.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Anna Walts was reported missing
in January. A few weeks later, husband Brian Walsh was
arrested on charges including murder, misleading the investigators, and moving
a human body. His computer searches were damning, like how
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long does it take a body to start smelling?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
He is now being held behind bars pending trial. The
Anna Waltsch murderer is one of the most high profile
murder cases in recent years. Anna Waltz first reported missing
just after New Year's Day, and the search became more
and more desperate. What exactly do we know about Anna's disappearance?
The employer is reporting on a missing not her family,
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but listen to this WBZ.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
by mister Walsh for one of Anna's friends. It's the
same day Anna was reported missing to police.
Speaker 13 (13:12):
Said Brian Walsh, and hopeful is going well.
Speaker 10 (13:15):
I just appreciated to basically everybody I could.
Speaker 13 (13:18):
Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days. You know,
anyone that might have that contact with her. Just you
calling everyone.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So I've heard to bother you here everything fine.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So we do see the husband reaching out to her
friends and leaving voicemails for all of them, trying to
find out if they had heard from Anna.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Joining me right now.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Julie lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. At
Digitalmountain dot com. Julie, thank you for being with us.
Tom Ruskin. The PI points out how much easier it
is to check flight records through TSA and even getting
subpoenas very quickly or asking the carrier like Delta to
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check their records to find out if somebody made a flight.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So according to police, she didn't make that flight.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
But what Julie lewis about ride share, lift Uber and
all the others Digitally wouldn't that leave a trail if
she had taken a right chair to the airport.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
You can certainly contact the custodian of records at the
ubers the lists and types of companies that she would
have taken a ride share and find out that information
with legal due process and.
Speaker 14 (14:38):
See what you know, what the actual fact pattern is there?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well, what about her phone?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I mean most people get their right chair through their
phone app.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
If you have access to her yes, if you have
access to her phone, you knew the whereabouts of that phone,
you would have access to the app, but most that.
Speaker 14 (14:59):
Data would be stored in the cloud and pointing up
to the Uber application.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Not it might not be stored on the local phone.
So that's something to consider.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't
have her phone, but we do have her code, say
it's like everybody else in America their birthday or their
children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone,
can we get into the iCloud that way?
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Typically you would need the user name, you would need
a password for the accounts, and you would also if
they have multifacturer authentication turned on the code from the text.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Message so a little harder than I thought. But you
know what we're talking about her.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Phone and where she Where is the husband during all
of this? Take to listen to our cut thirty five
Lynn Bi Lund talking, I.
Speaker 11 (15:56):
Need to indicating our Jauary verse, not the threep. He
did some mearns and which was not his house in swamps,
but lost because he didn't have a swamp. He said
he knew he was lost when he saw a pirate
ship one root one defender state, stayed fifteen minutes, then
went to.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Whole Foods and CBS.
Speaker 11 (16:14):
Savanas's checked and he did not enter either at those stores.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Okay, Bob Ward, Boston, twenty five on this the disappearance
of Anen Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship
en route one what okay, no, wait a minute, wait
wait wait wait, So he says the husband says he's
going to visit his mother and he gets lost on
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the way to his mom's home, and when he sees
a pirate ship, he knows he's lost, but then goes
into Whole Foods of CBS even though he's lost.
Speaker 13 (16:51):
What the pirate.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
Ship is a landmark on the rout one area there's
that area of Swampskip where his mother lives. There are
some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that sort of thing,
And I think that's what it was that he's talking about,
was a landmark that he saw that told him where
he was. And he said he got lost because he
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didn't have a GPS on his phone with him, because
he's left it at home.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Karen Starry, I find that very unusual.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I've told that my twins is like the wizards and
their wands and Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it. Well,
doesn't make sense to me he didn't have a cell phone,
especially if he hasn't her from his wife. Wouldn't you
keep your cell phone with you at that time in
case she called?
Speaker 9 (17:37):
Well, let's think about this, Nancy. How many people really
leave home these days without their phone.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's it's improbable.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home
and he knows that he's being watched. It seems to
me so he intentionally left that phone home. I have
no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows
exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
In the search for Anna Walch local authorities find something
very unusual.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Take a listen to our cut forty.
Speaker 11 (18:15):
Data from the phone also tracked his whereaboats on January third.
Locations were traveled at four twenty seven on January third
to an important complex in Abagen. So Veillance shows the
defendant's Bobbo as well as male fitting the dependent's appearance Exeter.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Cob near the dumpster.
Speaker 11 (18:33):
He walks to the dumpster carrying garbage bag he's leaning
and it appears to be heavy as he has to
it keft it into the dumpster.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He walks to the dumpster.
Speaker 11 (18:45):
With garbage bag and leaves it on full. Forty eight
he hit another complex in Avergeon and at five to
ten pm, cell phone shows records at another apartment that
brought Tom. Video shows a party consistent with his appearance
in his global again you Decided ims in the dumpster.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Bob Ward joining us from Boston twenty five on his
disappearance from the very beginning, I don't have a problem
with my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster
outside our house, but when he starts going from one
dumpster to the next dumpster, to the next dumpster to
the next dumpster, all in within a one hour period.
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That concerns me. And you know who reminds me of
and you're gonna know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's
the missing Connecticut mom of five. Remember her husband, Fotus
Dillos and his mistress. They're going all around town dropping
off items and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it,
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Bob Ward, maybe you can shed some light on this.
Why is it that when a woman goes missing, her
husband suddenly turns into a knee nick and he has
to throw out the trash.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
Good question, Nancy, I think we know the answer to.
And that's the allegation here. Sadly, that January third incident
that you just played the cut from the dumpsters in
the South Shore and Abington and Brockton. What we're going
to find out in court that is, when the remains
of on A. Walsh are being discarded in those dumpsters,
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those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator in the
South Shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour of those
dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed. Onna Walsh's
remains have never been located, and the thought is that
they never will be because that's where those bags were brought.
The other trash bags that were recovered in this case
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were brought to the north shore near that pirate ship
that we just talked about, and they were not brought
to an incinerator, but to a landfill they were found.
And it's inside I don't know from getting ahead of us,
but inside those trash bags is where the evidence, the
incriminating evidence has been located in this case.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Board, could you tell me everything you just said one
more time in very slowly. I think the gist is
that very quickly after husband Brian Walch visited these various dumpsters,
the dumpsters were cleaned out were the trash was picked
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up and taken some to an incinerator and some to
the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on,
wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark, have you
ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny bit of
truth into their big fat lie the pirate ship?
Speaker 9 (21:40):
I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy,
is because it's usually based on a hint of truth.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Right, like no smoke without fire.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
There's a little bit of smoke, but the rest of
it they conjure up, and they're very adept at being
able to tell a lie that has a little bit
of true innet that a lot of fauted.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I like the rebetist conjure, I like a magician or
a wizard, because one moment on a Walsh is there
with witnesses at a New Year's Eve party, and the
next moment she's gone, Okay, Bob Ward joining me. Investigative
Report of Boston twenty five, tell me again what you
just said.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
So on January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors,
is recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into
dumpsters in the south Shore of Boston in the towns
of Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash
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bags that he was struggling with to get into the
dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife, on A Walsh.
Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to
an incinerator in the south Shore. Within an hour of
those trash arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated and
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converted into electricity, and Anna Walsh's remains have never been found.
It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.
The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did not,
allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in the
case on the south Shore. The allegation is that he
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took his tools, the instruments that he used to dismember
his wife's body, along with some of her clothes and belongings,
and put them in other trash bags and discarded those
things in dumpsters on the north shore of Boston near
his mother's house, near that pirate ship. Those trash bags
have been recovered and those items are going to be
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an important part of this case, in this trial when
it takes place.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
And what do you believe Bob Ward were in those
trash bags in January?
Speaker 8 (23:58):
What we've been told was that they found a hatchet,
a hack saw, they found a bloody rug, they found
Anna's product purse, they found the boots that she was
seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party, and Nancy,
they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely stunning what
they found.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer and.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Now lawyer, what rank did you get to startard?
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I left?
Speaker 10 (24:29):
There's an investigator. Nante's a homicide detective when I left.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body,
a homicide.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Without a body?
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (24:38):
I had.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Can I just say that's a tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 11 (24:43):
It is.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
But fortunately even in those cases, and this guy look,
you know, as a homicide detective, I would have been
looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact
that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue,
he hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after
he is contacted by her employer does he make an
outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets
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on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard
from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down,
I get Frank. I mean, I'm calling every you know,
trying to call her and call her. This guy has
done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean,
he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,
and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,
which to my point is, you know, even the most
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careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's
almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of
forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a
mountain of it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I mean, and could you here's another thing, Julie Lewis,
I want to circle back to you just a moment
about possible NAV systems on his car. But Tom Rusk
in joining me and then don't want Karen start to
weigh in on.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
This as well.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Tom Ruski guys private investigator or extraordinay, President of CMP
Protective and Investigative Group. Tom listen, I don't like jewelry.
I really don't like fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars.
But if you were to take let's just say, this
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little ring right here, this is made of my mother
in law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin, it's not be jeweled,
But if you were to take that, I would come
after you, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
There are just some things that would matter to me.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And I've got a funny feeling this woman would not
want her fancy boots and her product hers thrown out.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
No, and it would be weird if she had left
and left for a business trip, if she didn't take
those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the
house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely lead, the
prime suspect and probably will be convicted at trial. The
fact of the matter is, to the other gentleman's point,
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you don't need a body anymore to prove a case.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
It sure helps, though, man, come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,
you don't need a body. I'm not going to give
him a gold star for getting rid of the body.
And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing
on the evidence that we have. But its sure, as
hegg helps if you do have a dead body to
prove a murder case.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
But it also goes against him because we know that
he was in these yards, he was dumping stuff. What
is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His
pickup's not working at his house?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Karen starts, He's so right. And Karen, again, I threw
this to Stuttard earlier. I think, but why do you
guys turn into nat nix as soon as their wives disappear?
And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying
about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.
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He doesn't check on his wife to see if she
landed her employer has to call looking for her.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
And then he wants to take out the trash.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Fine, do it at the corner at the end of
the driveway or the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan.
But why do you go to five or six different dumpsters?
And because somebody just surprised me wants and not throw
bloody rags and towels in a dumpster.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Do something different?
Speaker 9 (28:23):
What always happens?
Speaker 13 (28:24):
Nancy.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
He believes he's not going to get caught, and this
looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean he gets lost going
to his mother.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
He didn't get lost.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
He's trying to explain his circuitous route from one dump
to the.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Next, and also saying that he went to places where
they could check and he did not go.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
So, Nancy, can I jump in for one second? Yes,
I just want to bring Wilso bring up the fact
this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband has
nothing to do with her murder. This is a woman
who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston to
Washington on a business trip. Why is her phone off?
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No one that travels myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,
we go to the airport, you show off your phone
once you're on the flight, and you turn it on
to mister Startard's point once you land, why is she
becoming all of a sudden surreptitious or becoming covert in
her actions? You're right, which sort of deflies the logic
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of the husband.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Tom Ruskin, private investigator. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I mean, I don't guess any of you people on
this panel have read Don't Be a Victim written by
Oh what's that girl's name?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You're supposed to like take a picture of when you're
in the parking deck, which I do and send in
my family, and then when I get on the plane,
I take a picture i'm on the plane and send
to them. You don't even have to write a text
or write words, but just let people know where you're going. Jackie,
I think I've even sent them to you before. Yes, okay, guys,
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that's not the end of it. But I want to
ask Julie Louis Something, President and CEO of Digital Mountain Inch. Julie,
what about I like to just say on Star as
a blanket nav description, wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
His car show everywhere he had been? If it were you?
Know anything older than twenty ten.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
So before I jump into that, I just you were
talking about pictures and there was.
Speaker 14 (30:27):
Supposedly a picture she photographed of herself with her wedding
ring off in some of her final photos, and so
within that picture there's things called excess data that you
can look for that potentially could have geolocation information about
where she was when the picture was taken.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
catch that, Julie Lewis so.
Speaker 14 (30:49):
Switching gears to the car. You know, the car is
a moving computer these days. On most cars with why
buy has GPS, it has a cell network, all these
things that you can use for tracking. So if Brian's
car has has that in it, law enforcement could have
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certainly used that information. The other thing that happens in
cars is a lot of people think their phones and
so text messages, contacts, you know, browser.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
History, all these things may be on that on the car.
Speaker 14 (31:26):
Now.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
You know, for example, if you rent a car, even
that information can be on that. So that's something that's
really important to note.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,
the car can track everything that you have written on
your phone during.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
That time, it could be thinking like when you when
you are in an Uber your playlist.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
Depending on the configuration, it could actually download that. So
you don't want to go in some stranger's car rental
car and plug it in because the car and votainment
system could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, I can't believe what's happening.
What does the Karen read prosecution have to do with
the Anna Walsh murder? The facts in Anna's disappearance and
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murder and likely dismemberment are overwhelming. Will her husband walk
free because the lead investigator in the Ann A Walsh case.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Also worked the Karen Reid case? Oh no.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
When I say the evidence is strong in the Anna
Walsh disappearance and murder case, I really mean it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
What do we know about Google searches?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I mean what an idiot? I just can't stress this enough.
Take a listen to our cut thirty six. This is
Land Blan talking.
Speaker 11 (33:05):
On January first, offenitive Google using a son's iPad.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Some of his searches are as follows.
Speaker 15 (33:14):
Keep in mind that.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
The pendant said he left at sixty six am at
four fifty five am on January first, he searched how
long before a body starts to smell?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?
Speaker 9 (33:31):
Eight am?
Speaker 11 (33:32):
How to stop a body from decomposing? At five twenty
am he searched how to bound the body? At five
forty seven am. Ten ways to dispose of a dead
body if you really need to. At six twenty five
am on the first, how long for someone to be
missing to inherit?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
At six thirty four am on the first, can you
go away?
Speaker 12 (33:56):
Body?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Pots? Okay?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I think need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance
County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School.
Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. Let
me just ask you a couple leads, and I'd like
to point out also this is food for thought for you.
Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, Like they don't
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know how to read the search history, and there's daddy searching.
How long before a body starts to smell? How do
you stop a body from decomposing? How to get rid
of a body? Ten ways to dispose.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Of a dead body if you really need to. I'm
glad he had to check that on at the end.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
How long before how long for someone to be missing
to inherit? That's not for you, Crowns. Can you throw
away body parts?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter
that you don't need the dead body to prove that
someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give me
some quick answers to those this is a lightning round
for you.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
How long before a body starts to smell?
Speaker 13 (35:10):
Doctor Crown's for to ten days?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
That just rolled off the tip of your tongue.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I'm not going to ask why how do you stop
a body from decomposing?
Speaker 13 (35:18):
Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they
found in the iceberg ot see the iceman. He was
missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in the icebergs. Really,
refrigeration is the best way to prevent a body from decomposing.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you
really need to.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
That's not a medical question. Let me go to the
next medical question. Can you throw away body parts?
Speaker 13 (35:43):
You have to, you know, if you don't want the
trash man to notice some putam and dumpsters like which
was possibly done in this case, and then dismember the
individual into small enough parts that they aren't recognizable as
human and then mix them in with other trash. And
another good way is to put them in. I think
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it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the body
parts down into kind of a sluge.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually mane scaring.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Many people that are listening to you right now putting
it in pool. Waite a minute, Karen start. I know
you've got something toad. Hold on. What did you say
about pool cleaner, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 13 (36:25):
There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in
pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it
off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve
the dismembered body parts down relatively, it'll dissolve the bone
as well, and it'll just kind of make this kind
of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,
doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I really am.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
But guess what, guys, there's more Take a listen again
to lend biland at nine twenty nine AM.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
What does from aldehyde do?
Speaker 11 (36:57):
At nine thirty four one?
Speaker 14 (36:59):
First?
Speaker 11 (37:00):
How long does then a list?
Speaker 9 (37:02):
At nine fifty nine am.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Can identification be made when passion remains? At eleven thirty
four AM? Dismendment and the best ways to dispose of
the body at eleven forty four?
Speaker 14 (37:15):
How to pen blood from wood and flu at.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
Eleven fifty six on the first M and all to
detect blood at one oh eight?
Speaker 13 (37:23):
What happens when.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
You put body pots in a moment at one twenty
one PM is better than throw crime scene close away
or wash them? Those one the general worst?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions
are so.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And three little boys are left without their mother while
this guy is googling what does for meldehyde do? How
long does DNA last? Can an ID be made on
partial remains?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Member?
Speaker 9 (38:00):
Meant?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Best ways to dispose of a body? What happens when
you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away
crime scene clothes or wash them?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
So?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
To doctor Kendel Crown's Lightning round, Dctor crowns how long
does DNA last.
Speaker 15 (38:15):
You can find the nams on surfaces for years. We
just from aldehyde do from aldehyde is a fixative also,
that's what you use to kind of pickle the organs
to keep them preserved for a long periods of time.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
What happens when you put body parts anemonia? Doctor Kendl
crowns that one.
Speaker 13 (38:34):
I don't know. That's a new one to me as
far as I know, I've stopped.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
You're out, No, don't go, I've got more.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Oh well, one more quickie from Lynn blund to listen
one can R three That.
Speaker 11 (38:47):
Same day at one o two pm to do some
more Google searches. What happens to hear on a dead
body at one thirteen pm? What is the rate of
decomposition of the body in a plastic bag compared to
on a service in the woods at one pm?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
To eighty soda mask? Or maybe hey, body is not good?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Can baking soda make a body? A dead body smell good?
These Google searches have led to a bombshell.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Development in the search for Anna Walch. Bob were joining me?
Boston twenty five News an indictment explain.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
Who was indicted on three counts? There was murder, misleading investigators,
and improper disposal of a body. Natcy Can I just
say one thing about the internet searches, and it's one
thing that has just absolutely haunted me when I go
back over this timeline and you realize that there was
a New Year's Eve party, that there were three people
(39:48):
at this party. It was Brian Anna, and they had
one guest in the house, and that guest left the
house somewhere between twelve thirty and one o'clock in the morning.
That first church. How long before a body starts to
smell is at four fifty five am. On A Walsh
was alive at one o'clock in the morning, and at
(40:09):
four fifty five am she's gone and that search is done,
and I just think about that and I think that
she's in the house. They also found we haven't talked
about this in the district court arraignment. They said that
they found blood in the basement and they found I
think it was two bloody knives, one broken bloody knife
(40:31):
in the basement and a heavy smell of ammonia in
the basement of the house. So you know, I'm picturing
in my mind that her body is there in the basement.
He's killed her, and he goes and he finds his
kid's iPad and he's doing these searches within a couple
of hours of his wife being there, someone that he loved,
And this is what he is doing. I had a story,
(40:54):
I broke a story about how he threatened to kill
her back in twenty fourteen. And here he is, in
the first day of twenty twenty three, in the house
with her dead body and he this is she isn't
even cold, and he is already coming up with this
plan on what to do with her remains. I you know,
the depravity of this case. I've been doing this for forty years,
(41:16):
and the depravity of this case to me is really
just off the charts.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
The three children, the three little boys, now no mom
and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters,
motive never has to be proven in court, but mom,
why why did.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
He do this?
Speaker 8 (41:37):
There's another There's another detail here too, And from talking
to investigators, the New York Post had this, this picture
you all may have seen, and I talked to an
investigator about this. There was a champagne, a box of
champagne from the party that the New York Post got
a picture of that was that was on the dining
(41:57):
room table. I went knocked on the door or when
before all this blew out, Before everything happened, I was
trying to talk to Brian. I did you know when
she was missing?
Speaker 10 (42:06):
And we didn't know what we.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Were getting ourselves into, really really early on, and I
could see inside and the Christmas tree was still set
up and it was still lit. You could see inside.
I didn't see what I'm about to describe to you
because the police hadn't done their search yet. So they
found a bottle of champagne and I was still in
its box, and the New York Post got a picture
(42:28):
of this, and on the side of the box on
a Walsh had written a note to Brian on New
Year's Eve that said, to Brian, we made it through
twenty twenty two. It was a tough year, but twenty
twenty three is going to be a great year. I
love you, Anna, and it had hearts written on it.
(42:50):
And the investigator that I spoke to said they believed
that that was her. Those are her last words to
the world. And when I look at there's another Internet
search here from December twenty seventh. They did not describe
where the Internet search was found, so they didn't say
(43:10):
if it was on the kids iPad or it was
on a phone or a computer. But all it said
was the best state for a divorce for a man.
So that's from December twenty seventh, when Honor still alive,
before the New Year's Eve party. And it makes me
wonder if Anna, if this, whatever happened, whatever happened New
(43:30):
Year's Eve, if Anna never saw this coming just came
out of the blue. I think because the story that
I broke about the threat that she complained back in
twenty fourteen, before they were engaged, they were just dating.
She complained to DC police that he threatened to kill
her in twenty fourteen. I think, and I know investigators
(43:55):
think that this is a domestic violence case and there's
an escalation that started then in twenty eighteen, there's a
selfie picture of her where she's pointing at a bruise
on her face and she said that she walked, she
fell at work or something. It's on one of her
Instagram accounts, and I think there was an escalation of
(44:15):
domestic violence. I don't think the police were ever called,
but something happened was going on behind the scenes, and
this is going to be one of the things that
I'm going to be watching for to try to understand
what happened here and how this exploded, because you don't
you don't get to this kind of and this hatred
to you know, I can understand a moment of passion
(44:39):
of murder of you know, a moment of anger, but
this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here and
these messages that are caught on the iPad and then
what we've been talking about with the disposal of the body,
it's almost too much.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
What does the Ana Walsh and murder prosecution have to
to do with the Karen Reid hung jury.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
One thing, the.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Lead investigator, Michael Procter, we wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Goodbye friend,
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