October 17, 2019 • 37 mins
A 32-year-old man walks 351 miles to meet a 14-year-old girl for sex. But this is not Tommy Lee Jenkins' first offense. What's more, there's a surprise waiting for Jenkins at his destination. With Nancy Grace today: Sheriff John Matz, Winnebago County; Alicia Kozakiewicz, abduction survivor; Dr Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst; and reporter Levi Page.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Today on Crime Stories, we head to Winnebago County, Wisconsin.
Child purgerts are everywhere. It's a very high portion of
the population. They live in suburbs. A pedophile is not
just a guy in a trench coat, you know, lurking
on the corner at school bus stops. It could be
your pastor, It could be your next door neighbor, it
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could be your cousin. Joining Nancy Grace, the sheriff of
Winnebago County, John Motts, Captain David Mack, Alicia Koza Kevig.
You can check her story out at Alicia kozak dot com.
World renowned psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall, and investigative journalists for Crime
Online Levi page Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Investigators knew
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his face. Tommy Lee jenkins first conviction on child sex
charges was in twenty eleven. Now he's charged in a
new investigation. Documents showed Jenkins used Facebook to communicate with
someone he thought was fourteen. It was actually an undercover
deputy who asked, do you care I'm fourteen and drink
Jenkins reply. According to the records, No prosecutors claimed Jenkins
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initiated the topic of sex and wanted the undercover to
send a picture with no shirt no pans, asking when
you get here, would you like to have sex with me?
The undercover responded yes, this past Sunday, The records show,
Jenkins sent an explicit picture of himself and asked for
a picture. In return. The undercover responded what picture, and
documents show Jenkins replied a picture of you naked, and
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Jenkins allegedly told the undercover he planned to walk nearly
four hundred miles from Whitestown, Indiana to Nina, Wisconsin to
meet for sex. On the way, prosecutors claim Jenkins documented
the trip with selfies and pictures of exit signs, and
on Thursday, record show Jenkins told the undercover he made
it to Wisconsin and wanted to have five hundred kids
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before we are with God. Instead, Jenkins found investigators waiting
to take him back to jail. Selfies and photos of
exit signs. It sounds like he's on a spring break trip,
a road trip of some sort. Let's not put perfume
on the pig, all right. What this is is a
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grown man in his thirties, Tommy Lee Jenkins believe it
or not walking walking w A L K I n G.
Walking three hundred and fifty one miles from Indiana to
Wisconsin to have relations with a fourteen year old girl.
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If that does not make you run and confiscate all
your children's devices. I hid my son's device this morning
in the kitchen towels, and very often I forget where
I put them, and then we have to do find
my iPhone. And if too much time has passed the
phone's den and we can't find the iPhone, then I
have to perform an exorcism on myself to figure out
where the devices are. Long story short, this is real
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and guess what else? It ain't his first time at
the rodeo. Cop snow Jenkins, Oh too well, I, Nancy Grace,
this is crime stories. You were just hearing our friends
at WI s N twelve News. That was Reporter Derek Rose.
What an all star panel we have lined up for you.
First of all, Sheriff John Motts out of Winnebago County,
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He's got an earfull. Captain David Mack Internet Crimes against
Children's Task for US. Alicia Kozakevitch kidnap an assault survivor.
You can find her at Alicia Kozak dot com. Doctor
Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst joining me out of LA. But
right now to investigative journalist Levi Paige crime online dot com,
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where you can find this in all other breaking crime
and justice news. Levi, did I get that number right?
Did this perv actually walk three hundred and fifty one
miles walked three hundred and fifty one miles to have
relations with a little girl? You're correct, Nancy, And we're
talking about thirty two year old Tommy Jenkins who lived
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in Whitestown, Indiana, suburban area of Indianapolis, and he traveled
all the way to Wisconsin to meet what he thought
was a fourteen year old girl named Kylie that he
got in contact with on Facebook and start to stop
right there, Levi, Levi, Levi, I know you got a
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lot to tell me, but I mean, right there, you know,
doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst out of LA. Did you
hear that that one word stuck in my mind actually
is more like a dagger in my heart. Suburbs. You
think you're all safe out there in the suburbs with
your yard and your fence, and this guy was leading
a regular normal air quoties life. He's a child per Nancy.
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Child perverts are everywhere. It's a very high portion of
the population. They live in suburbs. A pedophile is not
just a guy in a trench coat, you know, lurking
on the corner at school bus stops. It could be
your pastor, it could be your next door neighbor, it
could be your cousin. You have to always watch over
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your children and I always say nobody should be more
interested in your children than you. That is the number
one morning sign. If you have if you have a neighbor,
choir leader, anybody in your community who wants to spend
a lot of time with your children, you have to
be suspicious because that's where this guy got his start.
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Well is moving in with a woman. I want everybody
to I hope you're sitting down, but you may need
to lay down or at least put on a crash helmet.
Listen to this. Just weeks before, police reports obtained by
twelve News show Jenkins was found outside a storage shed
just outside of Osh Gosh without a shirt. Inside one
of the unit's two kids, ages two and nine, both
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naked huddled on the concrete floor and wrapped in a
wet blanket. The investigation revealed Jenkins lived with the boy
and girl and their mom, and eventually admitted to taking
them late at night without her permission. Jenkins told investigators
he took their clothes off to prevent hypothermia because it
was raining. The weather apparently complicated his first plan. A
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nearby water logged tent was found, according to investigators, with clothes, diapers,
a baby gun, and a jar labeled moonshine. The documents
indicate Jenkins was previously investigated for giving alcohol to children
and sexually assaulting them. Jail records show Jenkins was released
from the Winnebago Honey Jail in September seventeenth. He moved
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to Indiana and started communicating with the undercover agents just
two weeks later. Does it never end with this guy
joining me right now? Special Guest Sheriff John Motts from
Winnebago County Sheriff Motts, It is a real honor to
have you on with us. It's not light. We didn't
have warning. He is out and some kind of a
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storage unit with his shirt off, with two naked children
and a jar labeled moonshine, help me because I'm actually
having chest pains right now. Why didn't this guy get
put in jail that time, Sheriff, Well, we did charge
him with criminal charges. He spent some time in our jail.
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It was reviewed by our district attorney's office, and ultimately
they didn't charge. Tommy Jenkins does have the ability to
make plans, and as you can see with the three
hundred and fifty mile trek in a later investigation, he
knows what he's doing. He's very manipulative. During our interviews,
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he tried to stay one step ahead of us, and ultimately,
on that particular particular charge of the storage unit, they didn't.
They didn't pursue the charges. There were some issues with
mom and his ability to have the children. However, after
we had indicated and told her what had happened that evening,
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she was absolutely adamant that she would not have allowed
to take him, take any take the children anywhere on
that night or for any lengthy period of time as
the plan was. You were just hearing w I s
N twelve reporter and Matt Smith. But take a listen
to it. Wtm J Milwaukee reporter Mary Joe Olah has
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to say. Thirty two year old Tommy Lee Jenkins was
found at a storage unit just outside Oshkosh in September.
With him were two kids who were naked. The children,
their mother, and another woman were living with Jenkins at
the time, and he occasionally took care of the kids.
Police her differing stories as to what was going on
in the home, but Jenkins admitted to taking the kids
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that night without permission because he was scared that their
mother would take them away. Sometime later, in Child Protective
Services filed a complaint with the Sheriff's office. The CPS
complaint says the kid's father was getting threats from Jenkins
on Facebook and that Jenkins was posting pictures of the
kids on the social media site. Despite all of this,
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the charges were dropped. Yeah, charges were dropped just in
time for him to get on the Internet and lure
what he thought was a fourteen year old girl asking
for explicit photos and making his way nearly four hundred
miles by foot to have relations with a little girl.
Why was he out prime stories with Nancy Grace? The
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story is just one example of why it is so
important to know who your kids are talking to online.
Authorities say thirty two year old Tommy Lee Jenkins walked
for five days thinking he was going to have sex
with a young girl and Nina, Wisconsin. Now investigators say
Jenkins recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana that's just outside Indianapolis.
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He met a deputy posing as a fourteen year old
girl named Kylie from Wisconsin on a social media platform
on October first, and began demanding sexually charged pictures from her.
But when Kylie refused to come to Indiana multiple times,
Jenkins allegedly started walking three hundred and fifty one miles
to Nina. There's an epidemic of child exploitation in our country.
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The use of the Internet and social media allows for
communications to happen between adults and miners across state lines.
Even authorities in Winnebago County say Jenkins used to live
in Oshkosh and has a history of issues involving child abuse.
Jenkins now faces federal charges, and deputies again are urging
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parents to know who their kids are talking to online.
Welcome back by Nancy Gracius's Crime Stories That was wt
M J Mulwalkerie reporter Mary Joe Olah with me. Sheriff
John Motts from Winnebago County. Captain David Mack. Internet Crimes
against Children Task Force Alicia Kozakevitch, Abductions survivor, doctor Bethany Marshall,
and Levi Page. Captain Dave Mack. When I hear this,
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it gets me so distraught. A few days ago, my
son was crestfallen. He goes mom. They closed down a
Fortnight because he and his little friends don't worry. I'm
hanging over his shoulder the whole time. I know exactly
who he's playing with. They love to play. I let
him have thirty minutes in the evenings. They play Fortnite
and they all taught. I don't know how they do it.
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You can hear each other's voices, you can kind of
see each other, and they play this game. Fortnight closed down.
In my heart, I was rejoicing, but I had to
ask sad about Fortnite being gone. Then sadly I found
out it was a stunt. It's back. Captain Dave Mac.
How do purves predators get to our children? Well, they not,
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unlike if they're speaking with our children and physically a
face to face predators will groom our children over the
over the internet the same way they do when they
have access to them in public. They'll talk with them,
tell them things that they want to hear, and start
establishing that relationship. So it's very important for us as
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parents to know what they're doing and create and maintain
open lines of communication with our kids and prepare our
kids for the online world. Let them know that what
the dangers are out there and talk to them both stuff.
Keep maintain that positive relationship with your children. Apparently, according
to statistics, Indiana has double the rate of child abuse
then the national average according to a federal agency, Why
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is that a man who recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana
facing federal criminal charges after he walks literally hundreds of
miles to Wisconsin to have sex relations with a little
fourteen year old girl he believed named Kylie and right
now to Alicia Kazakevich abduction survivor, Alicia explained to our listeners,
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what happened to you as a little girl? Well, when
I was thirteen years old, I was groomed and large
from my home by an internet predator who kidnapped me
and held me captive in his basement dungeon where I
was raped and beaten and tortured, but thankfully was miraculously
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rescued by law enforcement. And I am so lucky to
be here. And I'm so glad that this fourteen year
old girl was actually law enforcement because it could have
so easily have been a real life child. And the
thing is that there is a real life child right
now who is being groomed, and this case is just
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it's so disturbing in that it's really important to know
that predators take risks. Predators take their time grooming, and
they also take risks, and their goal was to get
the intended victim to also take risks. And in this case,
he was so excited that he walked three hundred and
fifty one miles and he was so excited and quite
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possibly having something close to a manic episode. It almost
seems to go that far with it, and the fact
that he had been arrested before for a crime against children.
We need to start taking these cases seriously, really seriously.
When there's an old saying, when someone says or when
someone shows you who they are, believe them, and we
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really need to start doing that. This person showed himself
as a predator, and he is still a predator and
he would continue to offend. Thankfully, law enforcement caught him.
And that's why it is so important to fund law
enforcement to make sure that they have the funding and
the resources. In Wisconsin exactly, and Wisconsin, Alicia's Law has
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passed and they've done amazing work with it. And what
Alicia's Law, my Namesake does is it funds at law enforcement.
It's funds the eye tacks so that they can do
this investigative work and so that they can save children.
I want to talk about how children are snared online
on the internet. Just like in Alicia's case, the child
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thinks they're speaking to another child and actuality they're speaking
to an adult. How does it work to captain Dave's
Matt you brought up Fortnite? There's other other applications that
people will pose as alternate identities on and they have
access to your children. Then musically is one of them.
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There's other applications where our kids are out there, they're
sharing videos of themselves or they're chatting with people and
they really don't know who they're talking to. Again, that's
why it's so important as parents that we know about
the applications that be familiar with the applications your kids
have on their phones, their iPhones, because let's face it,
iPhones are just small computers. So when you an iPhone,
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they have access to everybody in the world, literally everybody
in the world. And that's why I think we see
an uptick in this type of a crime because we've
created so they access the accessibility to so many different
areas with so many different people. This is one isolated instance.
Listen to this Florence reveal the level of abuse Charlatean
endured while being held captive in Georgia for more than
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a year. The documents day that Michael Weislovsky can find
Haley Burns in an upstairs bedroom of his Stills home,
telling her that she would they arrest did if she left.
Wislovsky reportedly controlled every aspect of his seventeen rold captive's life,
keeping a food journal detailing how many calories she'd eaten
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each day, and withholding food from Haley if he thought
she'd eaten too many calories the day before. Doctors at
the Atlanta hospital who examined Haley after she was rescued
determined she was suffering from malnutrition, according to Warrens. Her
parents told Channel nine she lost fifteen to twenty pounds.
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Haley Burns disappeared from her Valentine home in May of
twenty sixteen. This past weekend, the FBI responded to a
tip and tracked her to a home in Georgia. Michael
Wisulovsky is in jail under no bond on a number
of state charges. Now, believe it or not, this little
girl met the predator that kidnapped her, raped her, abused,
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or held her captive in a Facebook chat room about
eating disorders. She didn't want to eat, she had issues
with food. She was in a chat room and meets
this guy posing as another person with an eating disorder
as a young girl. And to top it all off,
they were talking on her school chrome book on her
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school computer. Listen to this Brokowski will serve ten years
on probation and also gave him credit eight months for
time served in confinement while he was in jail. A
court her testimony from Haley Burns and her parents A
second I left my home, my life as roman. The
North Carolina teen says she met him online and disappeared
from her parents home in Charlotte in twenty sixteen, she
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told the court she was held captive in his Duluke
home for an entire year. He lowered my self, esteemed greatly,
and led me to believe I would never be loved
or have a proper life if I gained any fate.
Burne says Brokovski tortured her and made her do sexual
things for food. I severely mutilated myself, homing I would
become unlovable so no one would hurt me again, as
w Silowski did. I am permanently disfigured. Her father, Tony
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Burns told the judge every time he would hear of
a dead body, he feared it was his Haley. You
are the boogeyman that parts teach their kids to be
scared of. Haley's mom added that Bakowski doesn't seem sorry
for his actions. You are not a minister, but you're
a pitiful man who remember that actions have consequences. Now,
after the hearing, I spoke with the prosecutor. He told
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me Haley's family they're satisfied with the outcome today in court,
but they really really would have preferred to see the
defendant behind bars. You were hearing from Lauren posing at
action to News Atlanta and Alison Lato's OCTV. You know,
these offenders get a slap on the wrist and they
get right back out Crime stories with Nancy Gray Leafy
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Page with me, crime online dot Com investigative journalists. I
understand that this predator, Tommy Lee Jenkins, also had let's
just say, inappropriate behavior with children all the way back
to twenty eleven. What do we know? As it was
two little boys seven and eight years old, he was
accused of groping them Nancy, and he pled guilty to
first degree sexual assault of a miner and his sentence
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he played guilty to that and his sentence was stayed
and he got four years of probation, probation probation to
share if John Motts Winnebago County. So now we have
that incident where he's groping two little boys. Then we
had just month before the sting, he had two naked
children and a storage shed with a bottle of moonshine.
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And now this so you know the reality is for
every time a child is caught, they have most likely
offended many, many times. How is it that this guy
kept escaping jail? Sheriff I don't get it well. Certainly,
as we had discussed earlier the incident that occurred at
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the storage lockers, we were disappointed with the outcome of
the non prosecution, and at that point we sought assistance
from the US Attorney's office in the state of Wisconsin,
and that's where the Internet Crime against Children investigation then begins,
and along with their guidance, through that, we have done
a number of them. As a matter of fact, one
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hundred and thirty one of those Internet Crimes against children cases.
But with their cooperation, with their guidance, we now have
federal charges against Tommy. You know what, you deserve so
much credit you and your team. Sheriff Matson. I hear
you what you're saying, because to Dr Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst
warnings from LA if the mom does want to prosecute,
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you got a big problem now. I took cases to
trial where families moms did not want to prosecute, and
it was really hard to get a conviction. But thankfully
the jury was on the right side and the people
were convicted. I'm talking about child rapists. The mothers did
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not want to prosecute. It's hard for me to understand it.
But if you listen read between the lines, doctor Bethany,
this guy, Tommy Lee Jenkins, was living with a woman.
She was the mother of these two little children that
were naked outside at night with a bottle of moonshine
with him without a shirt on, and it never went anywhere.
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It seems to me the mom did not want to prosecute. Obviously,
something was really wrong with this guy. Alicia mentioned that
he might have been in some type of a manic episode,
which crossed my mind as well, if he walked over
three hundred and fifty miles. The reality is, Nancy. If
you talk to anybody who works in child protective services
wrap around services, people who go out and investigate child
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abuse cases, it is very common for the mother to
protect the predator. And one of the things that people
who work in these investigative services will tell us is
that as the investigator is coming to the front door,
the predator is being moved out the back door. In
other words, the family protects the predator and they will
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often and this is so sad. I've heard this in
my practice. The predator will be moved out of the
house just as the investigator is coming to check on
the family, and then the predator is moved right back in.
When that person leaves. It's as if the mother sides
with the predator against the children, does not want to
believe it's happening. And remember, these predators groom the entire family.
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They've not just groom the children, they groom the parents,
the mother, the father. So it's as if these mothers
fall under the predators fell and they cannot get away either.
I want to talk to a Sheriff, John Motts, Winnebago
County about a sting operation. Now, from what I understand,
this guy, who has had at least two offenses with
children that we know of, has not done any jail time,
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and now this this is his third that we know of.
Tommy Lee Jenkins, aged thirty two, recently moved from Oshkosh
to Whitestown, Indiana. Now we know he began exchanging instant
messages I MS with a person he thought was a
fourteen year old girl, Kylie. But it was a sting
operation set up by the Winnebago County Sheriff's office. And
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with me, the sheriff, John Motts, tell me about the sting.
How does it work shareff well. In the case of
Tommy Jenkins, there was Facebook messages that occurred between Tommy
and our deputy, who he thought was a fourteen year
old girl. And as those messages continued to get more
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serious and there was just discussion of him, of him
wanting her to go down there, and then he made
the suggestion or said that he would come up here
if they could have sex. And it did not take
long and Tommy was on board. He is clearly a predator,
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and it is our duty to protect our kids, not
only here in Winnebago County, but also down there. Often
they will feel the heat in one particular area and
then they'll move and no one knows who he is,
and now he's just another face in the crowd, and
the victimization begins again. You know, the way that they
take on these identities to lure children online and somehow
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keep the children complicit so the children don't tell. Alicia
Kaskevitch with me Kidnap assault Survivor. You can find her
and her whole story at Alicia Kozak dot com. Alicia,
how did your kid nap or first convince you he
was a girl your age? Then a boy your age
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and then you end up getting kidnap. What did they say?
What did he say? Tyree to make you say you
were talking to another person your age. ChIL grooming is
really effective. And this happens back in two thousand and one,
two thousand and two, and so there was no Internet
safety education, There wasn't anything for me to go on.
And children are typically naive, and you want to trust people,
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You want to believe people. And for me, I was
who I said I was. Why would you be somebody different.
I knew that they were evil and bad people in
the world, but they were elsewhere, and I never thought
that could happen to me. But what they do is
they are interested in whatever you are interested in, and
they act as though they are your best friend and
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tell you everything that you want to hear versus what
you need to hear. So they fill in those insecurities
and those vulnerabilities that all children have, and that's what
they're looking for. They're looking to exploit those vulnerabilities to
latch onto them. And when they do that, the child
latch it back and then they get pulled further and
further away from their family and their teachers and people
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who can protect them, and the predator becomes the one
person who truly understands them. Listen. Police say a convicted
sex offender could face more charges after an incident last night.
Right now, thirty one year old Brian Williamson is facing
charges of failing to register as a sex offender and
refusing to identify himself. Police say they were called to
a home on North Fourth Avenue around seven last night,
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saying Williamson talked with an eight year old girl over
a fence. Police say Williamson had a box cutter, some cookies,
and a condom in his pocket, and that he gave
them a fake name. Police say a neighbor told them
he saw Williamson take pictures of the girl. Police say
that girl told them that he set up a Pokemon
app on her phone and has stopped by several times
to say hi. Police say they are getting a search
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warrant for Williamson's phone and that some more charges could.
You're hearing our friends at fourteen news WFIE in Evansville
and yet another case, a sex offender refuses to register
as a registered sex offender, then he ends up meeting
this little eight year old girl who was in a
cast by the way, playing out in the backyard unsupervised,
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I might add, and he had approached her many many
times and gotten close enough to her to put a
Pokemon app on her phone. That's right. A man who
is a convicted sex offender travels all the way to
Indiana and shows up with cookies, a box cutter, and
a condom in his pocket. Now he's also accused of
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possessing child porn and many other charges. He also on
his phone googled how to rape a little girl? As
it ends up a neighbor, howd to call nine one
one because a neighbor sees this guy approaching the little
girl sitting alone on her trampoline outside. The neighbor knew
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that he didn't live in the area at the time.
He was already charged with three felonies and failure to
register as a sex offender lifetime parole violation. It goes
on and on. The odd thing is he looks so
much like Tommy Lee Jenkins, Doctor Bethany. This guy I'm
telling you about is a thirty one year old white
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male that travels hundreds of miles to get to his
child victim. They look incredibly a lot, do you see
any similarities and these child predators, Well, the similarities I
see is that their whole lives are organized around their perversion.
They don't have other interests, nothing else is important to them,
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and once they find one child victim to predate upon,
they become very focused and obsessed on the victim. So,
if you are a parent at listening to the show
and you have an adult who is more interested in
your child than you, always asking about your child, always
giving gifts to your child, when you see that laser
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like focus, that is a huge warning sign. And these
guys traveled many, many miles to get to their victims, Nancy,
these predators, they offend on average for seventeen years before
they come to the attention of law enforcement. Men who
molest little boys have on average five hundred and forty
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one victims or offenses against victims throughout their lifetimes. So
the commonality I see is not only the enormous amount
of energy, but the fact that the offenses occurs so
many times probation doesn't work. And even when they go
to jail, Nancy, all they're left within jail is their fantasies.
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And when they get out of jail, they are even
more frenzied and more primed to offend, so they need
to be removed from society permanently. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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I want to circle back to Sheriff John Motts, Winnebago
County sheriff who conducted a sting operation and managed to
rope in Tommy Lee Jenkins, who had walked three hundred
and fifty one miles walked in order to have sex
relations with what he thought was a fourteen year old girl.
Sheriff Motts, how do you train your men and women
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who performed these stings to go in and act like
a pyn We are extremely fortunate to have the individuals
we do working in our task force. They are extremely dedicated.
They will get up at two o'clock in the morning,
set an alarm, get up at two o'clock in the
morning to exchange information with predators because predators think, you know,
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the detectives not working at two o'clock in the morning,
and we are now at their beckoning call, so to speak,
and all of their desires, and we want to make
sure that the investigation is absolutely complete. So it is
nothing but dedication and the certifications that they have gone through.
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They're all highly trained in that area. You know, Sheriff
John mots with me these year if in Winnebago County.
I'm railing about the fact that this guy wasn't already
in jail on the two previous incidents. But thank God
in Heaven you guys managed to do this sting and
get them behind bars this time. There are so many
cases to report on. I hope you're sitting down again.
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Take a listen to ABC four News reporter and Emerson.
An eleven year old driver holds over randomly into a
restaurant parking lot early Monday morning. A police cruiser is there.
Within a minute, the officer gets out to investigate. The
boy shakes hands with the officer. The boy police he
was from Simpsonville. He said he took his brother's car
and drove two hundred miles to meet a man from Snapchat.
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He said he was going to live with him and
literally getting chills up and down my arms, Captain Dave
McK Internet crimes against children's task worse. This little boy,
an eleven year old child, My children, my twins are
eleven years old, meets a guy on Snapchat and is
groomed and coast to take the family car, get into
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the car in the night and drive overnight, hundreds of miles,
an eleven year old child driving and by the grace
of God, yeah, I said it. This had to be
divine intervention. The likelihood that in the middle of the night,
in the dark, this little boy driving all night, eleven
years old, pulled into a restaurant where a cruiser happened
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to be sitting there, and he happens to see the
boy and strike up a conversation. He met a grown
man on snap Chat, Captain David mac and was going
to quote live with him Snapchat. Yes, Unfortunately, our children
are using these times of applications, in these types of
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websites to meet people that they don't know who they
are or you know what really touched a nerve with
me and listening to one of your other guests when
we talked to both the grooming procedures. Oftentimes, like in
Tommy Lee Jenkins case, these children are seeking certain things,
whether it's a parental figure or as in the other case,
somebody that's having issues with an eating disorder. They play
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off of those weaknesses and they use that to groom
them and get them to meet them at different places.
You know, I keep thinking about Alicia. Alicia is with
me right now, and I'm going to talk about you
because you don't take enough credit. Alicia Kozakevitch with me,
kidnap assault survivor. You can find at Alicia kozac dot com.
I've heard her entire story and what she went through
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as a little girl. It's it's daunting and if you
could see her, she's stunning, articulate, educated, She's quote turned
her life around. But for every Alicia Koskevitch, there are
hundreds of other children. Right now, I've got so many
kidnapped children, missing children, abused children. I don't have enough
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hours to help find them all. Alicia was so abused,
sex assaulted, beaten, was forced to wear a shot collar
chained to the floor that this guy that took her
sent out a video of her crying and it was
so bad he sent it to another child porn pornster,
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and that guy, as evil as he is, called police.
That's how Alicia was found. And that day her perpetrator said,
you know what, I've talked to you so much, I've
actually started to like you. I'm going to take you
for a drive tonight. She as a child, knew she
was going to die that night, and she heard lawmen,
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lawmen and women breaking in the door. She hid. She
thought she was about to die. That is what she
lived through. That is what this child lived through. Now
a survivor, leave page. What is happening with Tommy Lee Jenkins.
This is his third go around trying to lure children
that we know of. Please tell me he is in
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jail right now. You are correct. He is in jail, Nancy,
and he is charged with using a computer to attempt
to persuade and deuce or entice a minor to engage
in unlawful sexual activity. And that comes with a mandatory
minimum of ten years in prison and the potential for
a life sentence. I'm happy about that, and I applaud
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your John Motts and his people, Captain Dave Mack fighting
the good fight. But I've got to leave on this note.
For everyone that we catch, there's a thousand getting away
with it right now. They could be your neighbor. They
could be the college professor, your past or your Sunday
school teacher. I don't know, but they are out there
and they are coming for our children. But guess what,
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I'm locked and loaded Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off
goodbye friend,
Today on Crime Stories, we head to Winnebago County, Wisconsin.
Child purgerts are everywhere. It's a very high portion of
the population. They live in suburbs. A pedophile is not
just a guy in a trench coat, you know, lurking
on the corner at school bus stops. It could be
your pastor, It could be your next door neighbor, it
(00:27):
could be your cousin. Joining Nancy Grace, the sheriff of
Winnebago County, John Motts, Captain David Mack, Alicia Koza Kevig.
You can check her story out at Alicia kozak dot com.
World renowned psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall, and investigative journalists for Crime
Online Levi page Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Investigators knew
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his face. Tommy Lee jenkins first conviction on child sex
charges was in twenty eleven. Now he's charged in a
new investigation. Documents showed Jenkins used Facebook to communicate with
someone he thought was fourteen. It was actually an undercover
deputy who asked, do you care I'm fourteen and drink
Jenkins reply. According to the records, No prosecutors claimed Jenkins
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initiated the topic of sex and wanted the undercover to
send a picture with no shirt no pans, asking when
you get here, would you like to have sex with me?
The undercover responded yes, this past Sunday, The records show,
Jenkins sent an explicit picture of himself and asked for
a picture. In return. The undercover responded what picture, and
documents show Jenkins replied a picture of you naked, and
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Jenkins allegedly told the undercover he planned to walk nearly
four hundred miles from Whitestown, Indiana to Nina, Wisconsin to
meet for sex. On the way, prosecutors claim Jenkins documented
the trip with selfies and pictures of exit signs, and
on Thursday, record show Jenkins told the undercover he made
it to Wisconsin and wanted to have five hundred kids
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before we are with God. Instead, Jenkins found investigators waiting
to take him back to jail. Selfies and photos of
exit signs. It sounds like he's on a spring break trip,
a road trip of some sort. Let's not put perfume
on the pig, all right. What this is is a
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grown man in his thirties, Tommy Lee Jenkins believe it
or not walking walking w A L K I n G.
Walking three hundred and fifty one miles from Indiana to
Wisconsin to have relations with a fourteen year old girl.
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If that does not make you run and confiscate all
your children's devices. I hid my son's device this morning
in the kitchen towels, and very often I forget where
I put them, and then we have to do find
my iPhone. And if too much time has passed the
phone's den and we can't find the iPhone, then I
have to perform an exorcism on myself to figure out
where the devices are. Long story short, this is real
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and guess what else? It ain't his first time at
the rodeo. Cop snow Jenkins, Oh too well, I, Nancy Grace,
this is crime stories. You were just hearing our friends
at WI s N twelve News. That was Reporter Derek Rose.
What an all star panel we have lined up for you.
First of all, Sheriff John Motts out of Winnebago County,
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He's got an earfull. Captain David Mack Internet Crimes against
Children's Task for US. Alicia Kozakevitch kidnap an assault survivor.
You can find her at Alicia Kozak dot com. Doctor
Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst joining me out of LA. But
right now to investigative journalist Levi Paige crime online dot com,
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where you can find this in all other breaking crime
and justice news. Levi, did I get that number right?
Did this perv actually walk three hundred and fifty one
miles walked three hundred and fifty one miles to have
relations with a little girl? You're correct, Nancy, And we're
talking about thirty two year old Tommy Jenkins who lived
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in Whitestown, Indiana, suburban area of Indianapolis, and he traveled
all the way to Wisconsin to meet what he thought
was a fourteen year old girl named Kylie that he
got in contact with on Facebook and start to stop
right there, Levi, Levi, Levi, I know you got a
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lot to tell me, but I mean, right there, you know,
doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst out of LA. Did you
hear that that one word stuck in my mind actually
is more like a dagger in my heart. Suburbs. You
think you're all safe out there in the suburbs with
your yard and your fence, and this guy was leading
a regular normal air quoties life. He's a child per Nancy.
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Child perverts are everywhere. It's a very high portion of
the population. They live in suburbs. A pedophile is not
just a guy in a trench coat, you know, lurking
on the corner at school bus stops. It could be
your pastor, it could be your next door neighbor, it
could be your cousin. You have to always watch over
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your children and I always say nobody should be more
interested in your children than you. That is the number
one morning sign. If you have if you have a neighbor,
choir leader, anybody in your community who wants to spend
a lot of time with your children, you have to
be suspicious because that's where this guy got his start.
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Well is moving in with a woman. I want everybody
to I hope you're sitting down, but you may need
to lay down or at least put on a crash helmet.
Listen to this. Just weeks before, police reports obtained by
twelve News show Jenkins was found outside a storage shed
just outside of Osh Gosh without a shirt. Inside one
of the unit's two kids, ages two and nine, both
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naked huddled on the concrete floor and wrapped in a
wet blanket. The investigation revealed Jenkins lived with the boy
and girl and their mom, and eventually admitted to taking
them late at night without her permission. Jenkins told investigators
he took their clothes off to prevent hypothermia because it
was raining. The weather apparently complicated his first plan. A
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nearby water logged tent was found, according to investigators, with clothes, diapers,
a baby gun, and a jar labeled moonshine. The documents
indicate Jenkins was previously investigated for giving alcohol to children
and sexually assaulting them. Jail records show Jenkins was released
from the Winnebago Honey Jail in September seventeenth. He moved
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to Indiana and started communicating with the undercover agents just
two weeks later. Does it never end with this guy
joining me right now? Special Guest Sheriff John Motts from
Winnebago County Sheriff Motts, It is a real honor to
have you on with us. It's not light. We didn't
have warning. He is out and some kind of a
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storage unit with his shirt off, with two naked children
and a jar labeled moonshine, help me because I'm actually
having chest pains right now. Why didn't this guy get
put in jail that time, Sheriff, Well, we did charge
him with criminal charges. He spent some time in our jail.
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It was reviewed by our district attorney's office, and ultimately
they didn't charge. Tommy Jenkins does have the ability to
make plans, and as you can see with the three
hundred and fifty mile trek in a later investigation, he
knows what he's doing. He's very manipulative. During our interviews,
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he tried to stay one step ahead of us, and ultimately,
on that particular particular charge of the storage unit, they didn't.
They didn't pursue the charges. There were some issues with
mom and his ability to have the children. However, after
we had indicated and told her what had happened that evening,
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she was absolutely adamant that she would not have allowed
to take him, take any take the children anywhere on
that night or for any lengthy period of time as
the plan was. You were just hearing w I s
N twelve reporter and Matt Smith. But take a listen
to it. Wtm J Milwaukee reporter Mary Joe Olah has
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to say. Thirty two year old Tommy Lee Jenkins was
found at a storage unit just outside Oshkosh in September.
With him were two kids who were naked. The children,
their mother, and another woman were living with Jenkins at
the time, and he occasionally took care of the kids.
Police her differing stories as to what was going on
in the home, but Jenkins admitted to taking the kids
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that night without permission because he was scared that their
mother would take them away. Sometime later, in Child Protective
Services filed a complaint with the Sheriff's office. The CPS
complaint says the kid's father was getting threats from Jenkins
on Facebook and that Jenkins was posting pictures of the
kids on the social media site. Despite all of this,
(09:30):
the charges were dropped. Yeah, charges were dropped just in
time for him to get on the Internet and lure
what he thought was a fourteen year old girl asking
for explicit photos and making his way nearly four hundred
miles by foot to have relations with a little girl.
Why was he out prime stories with Nancy Grace? The
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story is just one example of why it is so
important to know who your kids are talking to online.
Authorities say thirty two year old Tommy Lee Jenkins walked
for five days thinking he was going to have sex
with a young girl and Nina, Wisconsin. Now investigators say
Jenkins recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana that's just outside Indianapolis.
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He met a deputy posing as a fourteen year old
girl named Kylie from Wisconsin on a social media platform
on October first, and began demanding sexually charged pictures from her.
But when Kylie refused to come to Indiana multiple times,
Jenkins allegedly started walking three hundred and fifty one miles
to Nina. There's an epidemic of child exploitation in our country.
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The use of the Internet and social media allows for
communications to happen between adults and miners across state lines.
Even authorities in Winnebago County say Jenkins used to live
in Oshkosh and has a history of issues involving child abuse.
Jenkins now faces federal charges, and deputies again are urging
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parents to know who their kids are talking to online.
Welcome back by Nancy Gracius's Crime Stories That was wt
M J Mulwalkerie reporter Mary Joe Olah with me. Sheriff
John Motts from Winnebago County. Captain David Mack. Internet Crimes
against Children Task Force Alicia Kozakevitch, Abductions survivor, doctor Bethany Marshall,
and Levi Page. Captain Dave Mack. When I hear this,
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it gets me so distraught. A few days ago, my
son was crestfallen. He goes mom. They closed down a
Fortnight because he and his little friends don't worry. I'm
hanging over his shoulder the whole time. I know exactly
who he's playing with. They love to play. I let
him have thirty minutes in the evenings. They play Fortnite
and they all taught. I don't know how they do it.
(12:00):
You can hear each other's voices, you can kind of
see each other, and they play this game. Fortnight closed down.
In my heart, I was rejoicing, but I had to
ask sad about Fortnite being gone. Then sadly I found
out it was a stunt. It's back. Captain Dave Mac.
How do purves predators get to our children? Well, they not,
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unlike if they're speaking with our children and physically a
face to face predators will groom our children over the
over the internet the same way they do when they
have access to them in public. They'll talk with them,
tell them things that they want to hear, and start
establishing that relationship. So it's very important for us as
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parents to know what they're doing and create and maintain
open lines of communication with our kids and prepare our
kids for the online world. Let them know that what
the dangers are out there and talk to them both stuff.
Keep maintain that positive relationship with your children. Apparently, according
to statistics, Indiana has double the rate of child abuse
then the national average according to a federal agency, Why
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is that a man who recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana
facing federal criminal charges after he walks literally hundreds of
miles to Wisconsin to have sex relations with a little
fourteen year old girl he believed named Kylie and right
now to Alicia Kazakevich abduction survivor, Alicia explained to our listeners,
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what happened to you as a little girl? Well, when
I was thirteen years old, I was groomed and large
from my home by an internet predator who kidnapped me
and held me captive in his basement dungeon where I
was raped and beaten and tortured, but thankfully was miraculously
(13:54):
rescued by law enforcement. And I am so lucky to
be here. And I'm so glad that this fourteen year
old girl was actually law enforcement because it could have
so easily have been a real life child. And the
thing is that there is a real life child right
now who is being groomed, and this case is just
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it's so disturbing in that it's really important to know
that predators take risks. Predators take their time grooming, and
they also take risks, and their goal was to get
the intended victim to also take risks. And in this case,
he was so excited that he walked three hundred and
fifty one miles and he was so excited and quite
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possibly having something close to a manic episode. It almost
seems to go that far with it, and the fact
that he had been arrested before for a crime against children.
We need to start taking these cases seriously, really seriously.
When there's an old saying, when someone says or when
someone shows you who they are, believe them, and we
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really need to start doing that. This person showed himself
as a predator, and he is still a predator and
he would continue to offend. Thankfully, law enforcement caught him.
And that's why it is so important to fund law
enforcement to make sure that they have the funding and
the resources. In Wisconsin exactly, and Wisconsin, Alicia's Law has
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passed and they've done amazing work with it. And what
Alicia's Law, my Namesake does is it funds at law enforcement.
It's funds the eye tacks so that they can do
this investigative work and so that they can save children.
I want to talk about how children are snared online
on the internet. Just like in Alicia's case, the child
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thinks they're speaking to another child and actuality they're speaking
to an adult. How does it work to captain Dave's
Matt you brought up Fortnite? There's other other applications that
people will pose as alternate identities on and they have
access to your children. Then musically is one of them.
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There's other applications where our kids are out there, they're
sharing videos of themselves or they're chatting with people and
they really don't know who they're talking to. Again, that's
why it's so important as parents that we know about
the applications that be familiar with the applications your kids
have on their phones, their iPhones, because let's face it,
iPhones are just small computers. So when you an iPhone,
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they have access to everybody in the world, literally everybody
in the world. And that's why I think we see
an uptick in this type of a crime because we've
created so they access the accessibility to so many different
areas with so many different people. This is one isolated instance.
Listen to this Florence reveal the level of abuse Charlatean
endured while being held captive in Georgia for more than
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a year. The documents day that Michael Weislovsky can find
Haley Burns in an upstairs bedroom of his Stills home,
telling her that she would they arrest did if she left.
Wislovsky reportedly controlled every aspect of his seventeen rold captive's life,
keeping a food journal detailing how many calories she'd eaten
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each day, and withholding food from Haley if he thought
she'd eaten too many calories the day before. Doctors at
the Atlanta hospital who examined Haley after she was rescued
determined she was suffering from malnutrition, according to Warrens. Her
parents told Channel nine she lost fifteen to twenty pounds.
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Haley Burns disappeared from her Valentine home in May of
twenty sixteen. This past weekend, the FBI responded to a
tip and tracked her to a home in Georgia. Michael
Wisulovsky is in jail under no bond on a number
of state charges. Now, believe it or not, this little
girl met the predator that kidnapped her, raped her, abused,
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or held her captive in a Facebook chat room about
eating disorders. She didn't want to eat, she had issues
with food. She was in a chat room and meets
this guy posing as another person with an eating disorder
as a young girl. And to top it all off,
they were talking on her school chrome book on her
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school computer. Listen to this Brokowski will serve ten years
on probation and also gave him credit eight months for
time served in confinement while he was in jail. A
court her testimony from Haley Burns and her parents A
second I left my home, my life as roman. The
North Carolina teen says she met him online and disappeared
from her parents home in Charlotte in twenty sixteen, she
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told the court she was held captive in his Duluke
home for an entire year. He lowered my self, esteemed greatly,
and led me to believe I would never be loved
or have a proper life if I gained any fate.
Burne says Brokovski tortured her and made her do sexual
things for food. I severely mutilated myself, homing I would
become unlovable so no one would hurt me again, as
w Silowski did. I am permanently disfigured. Her father, Tony
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Burns told the judge every time he would hear of
a dead body, he feared it was his Haley. You
are the boogeyman that parts teach their kids to be
scared of. Haley's mom added that Bakowski doesn't seem sorry
for his actions. You are not a minister, but you're
a pitiful man who remember that actions have consequences. Now,
after the hearing, I spoke with the prosecutor. He told
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me Haley's family they're satisfied with the outcome today in court,
but they really really would have preferred to see the
defendant behind bars. You were hearing from Lauren posing at
action to News Atlanta and Alison Lato's OCTV. You know,
these offenders get a slap on the wrist and they
get right back out Crime stories with Nancy Gray Leafy
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Page with me, crime online dot Com investigative journalists. I
understand that this predator, Tommy Lee Jenkins, also had let's
just say, inappropriate behavior with children all the way back
to twenty eleven. What do we know? As it was
two little boys seven and eight years old, he was
accused of groping them Nancy, and he pled guilty to
first degree sexual assault of a miner and his sentence
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he played guilty to that and his sentence was stayed
and he got four years of probation, probation probation to
share if John Motts Winnebago County. So now we have
that incident where he's groping two little boys. Then we
had just month before the sting, he had two naked
children and a storage shed with a bottle of moonshine.
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And now this so you know the reality is for
every time a child is caught, they have most likely
offended many, many times. How is it that this guy
kept escaping jail? Sheriff I don't get it well. Certainly,
as we had discussed earlier the incident that occurred at
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the storage lockers, we were disappointed with the outcome of
the non prosecution, and at that point we sought assistance
from the US Attorney's office in the state of Wisconsin,
and that's where the Internet Crime against Children investigation then begins,
and along with their guidance, through that, we have done
a number of them. As a matter of fact, one
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hundred and thirty one of those Internet Crimes against children cases.
But with their cooperation, with their guidance, we now have
federal charges against Tommy. You know what, you deserve so
much credit you and your team. Sheriff Matson. I hear
you what you're saying, because to Dr Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst
warnings from LA if the mom does want to prosecute,
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you got a big problem now. I took cases to
trial where families moms did not want to prosecute, and
it was really hard to get a conviction. But thankfully
the jury was on the right side and the people
were convicted. I'm talking about child rapists. The mothers did
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not want to prosecute. It's hard for me to understand it.
But if you listen read between the lines, doctor Bethany,
this guy, Tommy Lee Jenkins, was living with a woman.
She was the mother of these two little children that
were naked outside at night with a bottle of moonshine
with him without a shirt on, and it never went anywhere.
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It seems to me the mom did not want to prosecute. Obviously,
something was really wrong with this guy. Alicia mentioned that
he might have been in some type of a manic episode,
which crossed my mind as well, if he walked over
three hundred and fifty miles. The reality is, Nancy. If
you talk to anybody who works in child protective services
wrap around services, people who go out and investigate child
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abuse cases, it is very common for the mother to
protect the predator. And one of the things that people
who work in these investigative services will tell us is
that as the investigator is coming to the front door,
the predator is being moved out the back door. In
other words, the family protects the predator and they will
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often and this is so sad. I've heard this in
my practice. The predator will be moved out of the
house just as the investigator is coming to check on
the family, and then the predator is moved right back in.
When that person leaves. It's as if the mother sides
with the predator against the children, does not want to
believe it's happening. And remember, these predators groom the entire family.
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They've not just groom the children, they groom the parents,
the mother, the father. So it's as if these mothers
fall under the predators fell and they cannot get away either.
I want to talk to a Sheriff, John Motts, Winnebago
County about a sting operation. Now, from what I understand,
this guy, who has had at least two offenses with
children that we know of, has not done any jail time,
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and now this this is his third that we know of.
Tommy Lee Jenkins, aged thirty two, recently moved from Oshkosh
to Whitestown, Indiana. Now we know he began exchanging instant
messages I MS with a person he thought was a
fourteen year old girl, Kylie. But it was a sting
operation set up by the Winnebago County Sheriff's office. And
(24:35):
with me, the sheriff, John Motts, tell me about the sting.
How does it work shareff well. In the case of
Tommy Jenkins, there was Facebook messages that occurred between Tommy
and our deputy, who he thought was a fourteen year
old girl. And as those messages continued to get more
(24:57):
serious and there was just discussion of him, of him
wanting her to go down there, and then he made
the suggestion or said that he would come up here
if they could have sex. And it did not take
long and Tommy was on board. He is clearly a predator,
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and it is our duty to protect our kids, not
only here in Winnebago County, but also down there. Often
they will feel the heat in one particular area and
then they'll move and no one knows who he is,
and now he's just another face in the crowd, and
the victimization begins again. You know, the way that they
take on these identities to lure children online and somehow
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keep the children complicit so the children don't tell. Alicia
Kaskevitch with me Kidnap assault Survivor. You can find her
and her whole story at Alicia Kozak dot com. Alicia,
how did your kid nap or first convince you he
was a girl your age? Then a boy your age
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and then you end up getting kidnap. What did they say?
What did he say? Tyree to make you say you
were talking to another person your age. ChIL grooming is
really effective. And this happens back in two thousand and one,
two thousand and two, and so there was no Internet
safety education, There wasn't anything for me to go on.
And children are typically naive, and you want to trust people,
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You want to believe people. And for me, I was
who I said I was. Why would you be somebody different.
I knew that they were evil and bad people in
the world, but they were elsewhere, and I never thought
that could happen to me. But what they do is
they are interested in whatever you are interested in, and
they act as though they are your best friend and
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tell you everything that you want to hear versus what
you need to hear. So they fill in those insecurities
and those vulnerabilities that all children have, and that's what
they're looking for. They're looking to exploit those vulnerabilities to
latch onto them. And when they do that, the child
latch it back and then they get pulled further and
further away from their family and their teachers and people
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who can protect them, and the predator becomes the one
person who truly understands them. Listen. Police say a convicted
sex offender could face more charges after an incident last night.
Right now, thirty one year old Brian Williamson is facing
charges of failing to register as a sex offender and
refusing to identify himself. Police say they were called to
a home on North Fourth Avenue around seven last night,
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saying Williamson talked with an eight year old girl over
a fence. Police say Williamson had a box cutter, some cookies,
and a condom in his pocket, and that he gave
them a fake name. Police say a neighbor told them
he saw Williamson take pictures of the girl. Police say
that girl told them that he set up a Pokemon
app on her phone and has stopped by several times
to say hi. Police say they are getting a search
(27:56):
warrant for Williamson's phone and that some more charges could.
You're hearing our friends at fourteen news WFIE in Evansville
and yet another case, a sex offender refuses to register
as a registered sex offender, then he ends up meeting
this little eight year old girl who was in a
cast by the way, playing out in the backyard unsupervised,
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I might add, and he had approached her many many
times and gotten close enough to her to put a
Pokemon app on her phone. That's right. A man who
is a convicted sex offender travels all the way to
Indiana and shows up with cookies, a box cutter, and
a condom in his pocket. Now he's also accused of
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possessing child porn and many other charges. He also on
his phone googled how to rape a little girl? As
it ends up a neighbor, howd to call nine one
one because a neighbor sees this guy approaching the little
girl sitting alone on her trampoline outside. The neighbor knew
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that he didn't live in the area at the time.
He was already charged with three felonies and failure to
register as a sex offender lifetime parole violation. It goes
on and on. The odd thing is he looks so
much like Tommy Lee Jenkins, Doctor Bethany. This guy I'm
telling you about is a thirty one year old white
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male that travels hundreds of miles to get to his
child victim. They look incredibly a lot, do you see
any similarities and these child predators, Well, the similarities I
see is that their whole lives are organized around their perversion.
They don't have other interests, nothing else is important to them,
(29:46):
and once they find one child victim to predate upon,
they become very focused and obsessed on the victim. So,
if you are a parent at listening to the show
and you have an adult who is more interested in
your child than you, always asking about your child, always
giving gifts to your child, when you see that laser
(30:09):
like focus, that is a huge warning sign. And these
guys traveled many, many miles to get to their victims, Nancy,
these predators, they offend on average for seventeen years before
they come to the attention of law enforcement. Men who
molest little boys have on average five hundred and forty
(30:30):
one victims or offenses against victims throughout their lifetimes. So
the commonality I see is not only the enormous amount
of energy, but the fact that the offenses occurs so
many times probation doesn't work. And even when they go
to jail, Nancy, all they're left within jail is their fantasies.
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And when they get out of jail, they are even
more frenzied and more primed to offend, so they need
to be removed from society permanently. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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I want to circle back to Sheriff John Motts, Winnebago
County sheriff who conducted a sting operation and managed to
rope in Tommy Lee Jenkins, who had walked three hundred
and fifty one miles walked in order to have sex
relations with what he thought was a fourteen year old girl.
Sheriff Motts, how do you train your men and women
(31:41):
who performed these stings to go in and act like
a pyn We are extremely fortunate to have the individuals
we do working in our task force. They are extremely dedicated.
They will get up at two o'clock in the morning,
set an alarm, get up at two o'clock in the
morning to exchange information with predators because predators think, you know,
(32:03):
the detectives not working at two o'clock in the morning,
and we are now at their beckoning call, so to speak,
and all of their desires, and we want to make
sure that the investigation is absolutely complete. So it is
nothing but dedication and the certifications that they have gone through.
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They're all highly trained in that area. You know, Sheriff
John mots with me these year if in Winnebago County.
I'm railing about the fact that this guy wasn't already
in jail on the two previous incidents. But thank God
in Heaven you guys managed to do this sting and
get them behind bars this time. There are so many
cases to report on. I hope you're sitting down again.
(32:44):
Take a listen to ABC four News reporter and Emerson.
An eleven year old driver holds over randomly into a
restaurant parking lot early Monday morning. A police cruiser is there.
Within a minute, the officer gets out to investigate. The
boy shakes hands with the officer. The boy police he
was from Simpsonville. He said he took his brother's car
and drove two hundred miles to meet a man from Snapchat.
(33:07):
He said he was going to live with him and
literally getting chills up and down my arms, Captain Dave
McK Internet crimes against children's task worse. This little boy,
an eleven year old child, My children, my twins are
eleven years old, meets a guy on Snapchat and is
groomed and coast to take the family car, get into
(33:28):
the car in the night and drive overnight, hundreds of miles,
an eleven year old child driving and by the grace
of God, yeah, I said it. This had to be
divine intervention. The likelihood that in the middle of the night,
in the dark, this little boy driving all night, eleven
years old, pulled into a restaurant where a cruiser happened
(33:50):
to be sitting there, and he happens to see the
boy and strike up a conversation. He met a grown
man on snap Chat, Captain David mac and was going
to quote live with him Snapchat. Yes, Unfortunately, our children
are using these times of applications, in these types of
(34:10):
websites to meet people that they don't know who they
are or you know what really touched a nerve with
me and listening to one of your other guests when
we talked to both the grooming procedures. Oftentimes, like in
Tommy Lee Jenkins case, these children are seeking certain things,
whether it's a parental figure or as in the other case,
somebody that's having issues with an eating disorder. They play
(34:31):
off of those weaknesses and they use that to groom
them and get them to meet them at different places.
You know, I keep thinking about Alicia. Alicia is with
me right now, and I'm going to talk about you
because you don't take enough credit. Alicia Kozakevitch with me,
kidnap assault survivor. You can find at Alicia kozac dot com.
I've heard her entire story and what she went through
(34:53):
as a little girl. It's it's daunting and if you
could see her, she's stunning, articulate, educated, She's quote turned
her life around. But for every Alicia Koskevitch, there are
hundreds of other children. Right now, I've got so many
kidnapped children, missing children, abused children. I don't have enough
(35:15):
hours to help find them all. Alicia was so abused,
sex assaulted, beaten, was forced to wear a shot collar
chained to the floor that this guy that took her
sent out a video of her crying and it was
so bad he sent it to another child porn pornster,
(35:40):
and that guy, as evil as he is, called police.
That's how Alicia was found. And that day her perpetrator said,
you know what, I've talked to you so much, I've
actually started to like you. I'm going to take you
for a drive tonight. She as a child, knew she
was going to die that night, and she heard lawmen,
(36:03):
lawmen and women breaking in the door. She hid. She
thought she was about to die. That is what she
lived through. That is what this child lived through. Now
a survivor, leave page. What is happening with Tommy Lee Jenkins.
This is his third go around trying to lure children
that we know of. Please tell me he is in
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jail right now. You are correct. He is in jail, Nancy,
and he is charged with using a computer to attempt
to persuade and deuce or entice a minor to engage
in unlawful sexual activity. And that comes with a mandatory
minimum of ten years in prison and the potential for
a life sentence. I'm happy about that, and I applaud
(36:44):
your John Motts and his people, Captain Dave Mack fighting
the good fight. But I've got to leave on this note.
For everyone that we catch, there's a thousand getting away
with it right now. They could be your neighbor. They
could be the college professor, your past or your Sunday
school teacher. I don't know, but they are out there
and they are coming for our children. But guess what,
(37:08):
I'm locked and loaded Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off
goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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