March 23, 2020 • 39 mins
The mysterious dark web is a place to buy all the things outside the mainstream of social norms and laws, especially hitmen. Today, Crime Stories looks at three cases of murder for hire on the dark web, and the women involved, who are both victims and suspects: Tina Jones, Amy Allwine and Alexis Stern.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Kathleen Murphy- North Carolina, Family Attorney
- John Cardillo - Host of "America Talks" on Newsmax TV, Former NYPD
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet"
- Dr. Angela Arnold- Psychiatrist, Atlanta, Ga
- Ray Caputo- Lead News Anchor for Orlando's Morning News, 96.5 WDBO
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Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now only on Fox Nation.
The dark Web, what is that? Well, you're about to
find out and I'm going to give you three examples
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where these so called dark web was used to hire Hitman.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here on
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Fox Nation and series x M one eleven. First of all,
let's kick it off with ABC seven News Chicago reporter
John Garcia Listen. Jones was having an affair with the
intended victim's husband, who she worked with. She used the
relative anonymic of the dark web to hire a company
called Sicilian Hitman International to kill his wife, all from
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her quiet suburban displays apartment. But a network news organization
investigating the dark web stumbled down to the plot and
reported it to Woodridge Police. Without they're bringing this evidence
to law enforcement's attention, who knows how this case would
have ended up. She admitted that she had access to
Hitman website. Investigators found evidence of Bitcoin payments and communication
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between Jones and the Hitman website on her laptop. Man
oh Man of chevits hiring a hitman on line on
the web, even if it is the dark web. From
any of you that don't know what the dark web is,
think of dark magic. That that's what it is. Everything
dark and distasteful is on the dark web. You know,
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you want to know how to make a bomb dart web,
you want to hire a hitman dart web. But it's
just so predictable Sicilian Hitman International. Really with me an
all star panel to break it down and put it
bad together again. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, family lawyer at
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NC Domestic Law dot com and Family Law. That's certainly
putting perfume on the pig. It's anything but family. Like
John Cardillo, host America's Talks on NEWSMACKTV, former n Y
p D. You know he's been around the block once
or twice. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan joining us today,
Doctor ANGELA. Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us from the Atlanta jurisdiction.
And to Ray Kamputo, lead news anchor for Orlando's The
Morning News w d BO. Ray Kaputo, Wow first of
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all the dark Web. A lot of people won't even
know how to find the dart web. What do you do?
Go to Google and write in dart Web. It's really
like the seed back alley of the Internet. And you know,
I've accessed it as a journalist a couple of times.
Journalist in your professional capacity, right, yes, unfortunately or my
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job makes me do things like that. But but yeah,
it's just an absolutely seedy place. I mean everything from
kitty porn to murder for higher plots. It's just a
place that if you have any sensibility, you don't want
to be. Uh, how do you access the so called
dark web Kiputo? Well, you have to get a special browser.
It's not really a direct thing. You just don't log
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onto a website. But way I did, He's a download
a browser and then that gives you access to these
these shady sits and then you're you're kind of on
your own. It's not a straightforward thing, but it's really
not that difficult either if you're a little bit tech savvy. Nancy, Well,
you know, whenever I need to make the smart flicker work,
I call my son, who grabs it out of my hands.
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At any opportunity. He grabs phones, he grabs the remote
controlled anything that has a button. He grabs it out
of my hand very rudely, I might add, he's like
a monkey, you know that just jumps down out of
a tree and grabs whatever remote is in your hand.
But tech savvy, I mean even a nine year old
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can do it. So basically anybody can do it if
they said their mind to it. John Cardillo hosts America
Talks on Newsmax TV former NYPD. You've actually worked dark
web cases. Can you break it down for me? Explain
to others what is the dark web? Right? So, like
the previous guests said, you download a browser. They're given
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types of browsers. The most popular one is they call
it tour tr browser, basicallyaning CRYPTI. Who whoa whoa whoa
whoa whoa Wait wait, wait a minute, because I'm pretty
sure Joseph Scott Morgan doesn't know what you're saying. When
you say download a browser. You don't have to best
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Buy to get it or its I like to say
buy more. You know how to go to best Boy.
You just look it up and click and you download
the browser right there on your laptop, right on your laptop,
it's encrypted. And now the dark Web, I will say
this law enforcement Nancy has made a real dent. There
was a famous case called the Silk Road case, and
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Silk Road at the time was the largest marketplace on
the Dark Web, and you could go on there. I
mean I was on there when we were looking into them.
They were actually pedaling like bricks of heroin and fully
automatic anti aircraft weapon. I mean, it was insane the
types of things you could buy from around the world.
The problem for the bad guys was that many of
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them were just tech savvy enough, but not tech savvy enough.
So they would download this browser, but they wouldn't do
things like mask their IP address, the location of their computer,
the idea of their computer, and so the FBI in
any way you say they didn't mask their IP address
their internet provider. Let me give a really rudimentary example.
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I remember when I was still prosecuting in Inner City Atlanta,
I got a facts from the Fulton County Jail. It
was a death threat from an inmate. Well, just like
I could look at that number, see it was the
Fulton County Jail. Just like New York numbers start with
two one two, or Atlanta area number four h four
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or six seven eight. You could look and see it
was from the jail. Just like that. Cops can look
at the IP address, your Internet provider address, and track
you down like a bloodhound. Yeah they can. And so
what wound up happening was law enforcement that we started
to make it dent because of those people making silly mistakes.
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So the dark web has become more of a it's
more now of an exchange place for people who want
to believe they're doing something. And there still is nefarious
CD activity, don't get me wrong, but it's nowhere near
as bad as it used to be. Well maybe you
should tell that to Tina Jones. Take a listen to
CBS to Chicago reporter Charlie Damar, November fifteenth, twenty fifteen.
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Tina Jones is proposed to surrounded by family and friends,
her life seemingly going in the right direction, but the
honeymoon faded. This is her now in jail. Police say
she was having an affair with a married man accused
of paying a company on the dark web ten thousand
dollars in bitcoin currency to have that man's wife killed.
Jones lives with her spouse, and this displains apartment building
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on River Road. Neighbors reacting to the arrest to me,
it's what's wrong with this lady that you know the
price of a life is on money. Last week, police
in suburban Woodridge received a tip about the murder for
higher plot from the CBS news program forty eight Hours.
That information led investigators back to Jones, revealing she allegedly
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made arrangements on the dark web for the hit. Back
in January, straight out to Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor
anchor Orlando's Morning News WDBO, Okay, tell me about Tina Jones.
First of all, she was using bitcoin, which my husband
and I argue about that all the time. I don't
think it's even real. You can't. You can't go to
a bank Jackie and say, oh, give me ten thousand bitcoins. Impossible.
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It's pretend, but apparently people believe it. Okay, Ray Kaputo,
explain to me what Tina Jones did. Wow, she's pretty.
She could have any guys she wanted. Why do you
have to have an affair with a married man in
your office and then go online and order a hit
for his wife? Go ahead, you're your guess is as
good as mine. You know, Tina Jones wasn't even married
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very long herself before she started one of several affairs.
I believe there's like two affairs actually, and this was
the second one. So it does make you one or
why this woman was married in the first place. But
she clearly liked to go after a men who were
taken because she starts this uffair. Now, meanwhile, Nancy, this
is a nurse. This is a person who is trained
to help people, and her instinct is the opposite. She
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gets this love rival out of the way by going
to this murder for Higher website and she provided a
picture and addressed And here's the thing I answ this
wasn't a crime of passion. She made installments bitcoin installments
over three months. She had a plenty of time to
revisit this plan, but she ended up making that last
Bitcoin payment, so she was serious about this crime. Stories
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with Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about the dark
web and what goes on on the so called dark web.
And let me tell plenty right now, we're talking about
a beautiful young nurse, Tina Jones, who not long after
her wedding, that marriage was doomed. Starts in affear with
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a married man and her office. How predictable? I mean,
does it always have to be the secretary or a
co worker you go into the office fridge and get
your yoga out together. I mean, surprise me. Why is
it always the office, always a married man? But that's
what happened. But that wasn't enough for her, according to prosecutors,
they say she went on the dark web to hire
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a hit man from I mean, this is straight out
of Central Casting Sicilian Hitman International. I mean to you,
Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina Family Law Attorney, Family Law Attorney,
NC Domestic Law dot com, that was a little redundant
family law attorney. But okay, that's your canon worms to
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deal with Kathleen Murphy. Kathleen installment plan. You remember you
used to have layaway like you'd want a sweater. You
see it at what Sears and you go pay ten
dollars until you pay the whole thing. Often you get
the sweater. An installment plan for murder, Kathleen Murphy. Not
only is that significantly cold blooded, but Nancy, she never
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even met this woman. And how cold blooded can somebody
be to sit behind a computer and make installment payments
for murder of a person you've never met. And she's
thirty three years old. It's not like she's some starry
eyed teen girl and that has no idea what she's doing.
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She's thirty three years old. And what does that tell
you to Doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta,
That she's a newlywed but she starts an affair. Of course,
it takes two to tango, I'll use that old tire cliche.
So the man was part of this too, as far
as the affair anyway, don't know that he's connected to
the murder attempt. But she's just gotten married. Well, why
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is she having an affair with a married co worker?
Doctor Angela. It's not the first time I've ever heard
about something like this. The part that disturbs me the
most is how premeditated this was on her part, and
the and the length of time that she that she
participated in this plot. But I have but I have
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often seen people who are recently married start having an affair.
This is not that that was not a surprise to me.
That part of it. I wonder if it's just too
much life change and this is their way of an
out because or perhaps or perhaps they feel trapped. They
could feel trapped, and they want to know that they can,
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that they can still, you know, be out there doing
whatever they were doing before. But it isn't. But it
isn't a sign of some mental instability, no matter what
it is, isn't it you know what I'm thought of,
Doctor Angela Arnold. The other night, John David had a
play date and it was to spend the night, so
Lucy and I stayed up. I'm embarrassed to say, don't
call de facts. Three am watching girl movies and one
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of them was Runaway Bride, remember that which Julia robertson
Somebody Long story short? Why would you go through with
the wedding in a marriage if you're gonna feel trapped?
Don't you get an inkling of that as you're walking
down the aisle? Well? I have. I think that this
speaks to some much deeper things going on in this woman.
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We have no idea what she was, what her history
was prior of getting married. You know. Another issue is
I think I know what triggered this. The married co
worker dumped her. He called it off raka photer how
could you leave out that important fact and her psyche
She gotten dumped royally and this was her response to
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kill the wife. It is, it's absolutely preposterous. It's not
what most people do. Most people, you know, break ups
hurt Nancy, but you know most people have had one
that caused a little sting. And what we didn't do
is get on the dark weapon and hire somebody. So
you know again, circle God so to you. Joseph Scott Morgan,
Professor Forensics, Jackson State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet
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on Amazon. J Scott, you don't just look at blood
spatter and crime stace. You look at all sorts of
forensic evidence, including a huge digital footprint. This woman's leaving behind,
going online making installment payments. Talk about premeditation if premeditation
can be formed in an instant, in an twin, just
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like that when you raise the gun and pull the trigger,
that's enough under the law to form premeditation, which means
premeditateated murder. She was making installment payments like she's, you know,
buying a sweater at belt Matthew, and she went, it's
such such a scam, and it was a scam. It
wasn't even real sight Sicilian Hitman International. So how long
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does it take for the cops to unravel that digital trail? Yeah,
that sounds really legit Sicilian Hitman. Yeah. Hey, listen, she's
left she's literally left electronic breadcrumbs as clues for people
to follow. And now you know, we're law enforcement has
caught up. They've they've kind of you know, they've they've
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beat the curve now because their entire units that are
specifically assigned to do computer forensics. And boy, when you're
talking about making installment payments, every time there's a keystroke
relative to this engagement that she's having with these people,
that is another clue along this path. And the fact,
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going to what doctor Angela said just a moment ago,
the fact that she had this much time to think
about this. This isn't like a heat of passion type
of event you talked about premeditation. Man, she'd been thinking
about this for a while. Listen to this, Joe Scott
talking about forensic evidence, and like you said, you can
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look at every digital keystroke. As a matter of fact.
You know, my book coming out, Don't Be a Victim.
One of the chapters about how to protect yourself and
your family deals with cybersecurity, if you really want to
see what your children are doing, other than sneaking up
behind them all the time and ambushing them like I
like to do. For the scare factor, there are many
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many programs out there that you can download on somebody's
computer and it catches every keystroke and then I understand
the way it works is that you type in let's
just pretend you type in creepy Specter and that the
program comes up, you put in a password, and then
suddenly you see every keystroke or pictures what they're looking at.
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If you really want to go deafcom for so, if
we can do that, of course, the police can do it.
Experts in computer technology can do it. So here she
is and we understand. Speaking of her digital footprint, she
left specific instructions on the website as to when the
husbandwoman's husband would be at work when so the hit
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the Sicilian hitman would know when she was alone not
to hurt the husband and make it look like it
was I think a robbery gone bad, it's what she wanted,
or an accident. So ray kaput. What did she tell
the Sicilian hitman International that she wont and what specifically
did she want? Well, she wanted this woman dead, and
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the other thing was she didn't want the X, the
person that she was having an affair, way to hurt.
So she had very very specific instruction that you know,
when those instructions, it becomes evident what she wanted to do.
She wanted to get this woman out of the way
through this murder for higher plot so she could have
her husband all to herself until she bought you know, Miranda.
When police get a hold of her, she immediately after
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ten minutes blurts out that she did it, Kathleen Murphy.
Then she wanted a lawyer, but it was too late.
She had already blurted out to cops that she did it. Nancy,
this woman is clearly delusional. She's not thinking. And nice
see people that come through our court system time and
time again who think they're smarter than the police, who
think they're smarter than the detective, who have no clue
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that everything they're typing on their computers can be traced.
I have programs where I print out all these text
messages and to read these text messages, people are clueless
as to the imprint or the footprint that they're leaving.
You know, I'm looking online at some photos CBS posted,
and it's of the legitimate fiance, not the marry coworker
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bending down giving her the rings, saying Tina, will you
marry me? Tina says yes, but that wasn't enough. She
had to have not only the married co worker, but
his wife's head on a platter. That's Tina Jones. She
played guilty to attempted murder. Guide about twelve years plus probation.
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With Nancy Grace, we are switching gears here at Fox
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Nation and series Sex and one eleven. We're talking about
the mischief and mayhem and murder, among other things that's
going down on a so called dark web. You may
not have ever heard of it, but boy of I
now we're talking about a young person, a young woman
named Amy l Wine and the suspect, Steven all Wine.
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Take a listen to our friend chelseagona nine one one
with the adjecue emergency. I think my wife. There's blood
all over shot gun. It looks like a gut wrenching
scene plays out During a nine one one call, A
young boy is the first to find his mother's shot
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to death inside their home. Does she still out the weapon?
I don't know. We just got shoot herself. I don't know.
I just saw her and in bloody busy trying to
console his son, Stephen Alwine has little information for the operator. Okay,
do you re see her right now? I'm with my
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friend sar. Do you know if she was breathing it all?
I don't from dinner? Okay, would you like to check
on her and see if she is or do you
believe that she's beyond house? There for a second, they
want me to check on her. Stephen quickly returns to
the phone with the tragic news. Okay, I'm not breathing.
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I can't tell where she shot. Wow, our friend Michelsea
gone crime watched daily. He sounds awfully calm to have
just found his wife's shot dead and his son going
bizarre of course after saying, Mommy covered in blood. I'm
not quite sure how the dark web is going to
fit into this, but I know this much. And defense
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attorneys will argue with Matill, they're blue in the face.
But he sounded real, Jackie. Did he sound calm to you?
He sounded very calm to me, like she shot herself dead.
I'm not buying that for a minute. To Kamputer Laid
news anchor Orlando's morning news w d B, oh right,
what happened exactly? Well, this case actually starts like six
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months before her murder, when the the SBI pops up
on aby All wine store and they give her some
shocking news answer. They say someone put a hit out
for on the dark web. And they figured this out
because there was a white hat, a white hat computer hackers,
an ethical computer hacker out of the UK, and he
broke into one of these websites and he found all
this information and ends up passing it along. And that's
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how SBI and figure out somebody wanted Amy killed. Somebody
that used the handle dog Day God paid six thous
whoa the handle was wet dog day God. Okay, can
to leave that to our strength to figure that one out.
But that's his handle, now, you said six months before,
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and she stayed in the home even though the FBI,
if I got my fact straight, called her and said, hey,
somebody put a six thousand dollars hit on your life.
And she stayed in the home with her child. Yeah,
she did, with her husband or a child. I know
that they had purchased a gun because they were scared,
but you know, unfortunately that was the same gun that
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Amy alridly allegedly had used to kill herself. So yeah,
they stayed in that home, Nancy. A trial kicking off
for a so called church elder, a forty four year
old church elder out of Minnesota accused of killing his
wife and staging it to look like suicide after a
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failed attempt to hire a hitman on the dark web
so he could quote date other women. Might be hard
to date other women from behind bars on a life sentence.
I don't understand that thinking, but we see it all
the time. To John Cardillo, hosts America Talks on news
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Max TV former NYPD, it reminds me of Scott Peterson.
If you want to have a relationship with Amber Fry,
who's gorgeous, why not just get a divorce and let
your wife's whole family hate you, because your family's gonna
blame her no matter what and date. I'd be mad
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if you didn't get after it. Why murder? How many
times have you seen that? John Cardillo, Nancy? It's always
been the question, right, I mean these guys, first of all,
aside from committing the murder, the heinous act taking a
life instead of just losing a couple of bucks in
a divorce settlement, havn't your wife's family hate you? People
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you were going to be out of touch with anyway
when you go off with the new person you're seeing,
either break up with them and see somebody new or
married somebody else. You're now sitting in jail for the
rest of your life. If you're in a capital murder state,
sitting on death row, you'll probably spend close to a
million bucks in legal fees. Your life is destroyed. A
church elder, it's not going to have a million dollars.
And the Methodist church that I'm a part of, the
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pastors man, they need to pay raise big time. Yeah, okay,
but I'm talking about the normal guy who goes out there,
maybe has a couple of bucks and messes around on
his wife. You're right, why not just leave her. I've
never understood the psychopathology of killing the person you're with.
I've just never never made sense to me. People get
divorced every day. There's a couple of months of hiccup,
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a little bit of unpleasantries, and then everybody gets over
it and moves on and goes on with their life,
and everybody has things doing their life. So yes, never
understood it. You know. Another layer to this is that
the alleged killer is not from the dark Web. It's
actually the church. What do they call him? A church elder?
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A thank his position within the church made it impossible
for him to get a divorce, so it's better to
commit murder. I want you to take a Lissa now
to our friends at Fox nine Minneapolis, Saint Paul reporter
Tom Leiden, dog day, God goes on. This bitch has
torn my family apart by sleeping with my husband, who
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then left me and is stealing clients from my business.
There are dozens of emails over the next two months
as dog Day God sends thirteen thousand dollars an anonymous
bitcoin to Bessimafia, asking them to kill Amy when she
makes a trip to Maline, Illinois to make it look
like an accident, but that falls through. There's another plan
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to kill Amy at home during spring break when her
husband and son are away and burn the house down,
but that falls through too. It's the level of detail
that stood out for detectives. This was someone who knew
Amy's every move. It starts to look pretty obvious that
dog Day God was somebody very close to Amy all
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Wine at that point for all of us, I think,
and not only that, it was someone that wanted the
husband and the son spared. As a matter of fact,
the dog Day God person the killer was very careful
in their specifications as to how they wanted this innocent mother,
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Amy Allwine murdered. Take a listen again to our friends
at Fox NI Minneapolis, Saint Paul Web of lies that
Tom Leiden. The FBI had contacted the all Wines and
Cottage Grove Police. FBI agents told the all Wines they
had received information that a murder for higher inquiry had
been located on the dark web. A part of the
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Internet that is all but untraceable, with Amy all Wine
as the intended target. The website was called Bessa Mafia,
claim to be run by Albanian gangsters contracting with professional
hitmen around the world. Someone had recently hacked the site
and posted their private emails for the world to see,
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including an email chain from someone in Minnesota with the
name dog Day God who writes, I am looking to
hire you for a hit. But what is the recommended
way to convert cash to bitcoin? Man? Oh Man, what
a trail they're leaving behind. Hey, by the way, this
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is the base of mafia, Albanian gangsters. It sounds like
a fifth grader writing a crime novel. The last one
was Sicilian Hitman International. This is base up mafia, the
Albanian gangsters, and now they're actually asking the alleged hitman
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to explain to them how to change my any currency
into bitcoin. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
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talking about the so called dark web. What isn't how
does it work? Why are people using it? It is
still functionaling? Right now we're talking about Amy all Wine.
At first, police are told that it is a suicide,
that she shot herself but that didn't cut it with police.
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Take a list to our friend, Michelle Sigona. Sergeant Randy
McAllister at the Cottage Grove Police Department was the first
detective on the scene. You questioned the suicide theory right
off the bat. Yeah, I hadn't completely discarded it yet
because when weird things can happen with physical evidence and
blood splatter in physics, but it was enough for me
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to at least put the brakes on. What stuck out
to you. She was sort of laid out with her
arms out to forty five degrees. That's not a normal
position for somebody who's just shot themselves in the head.
Another red flag blood drops around the bedroom. There were
some what we call satellite blood drops outside of the
mean blood pool itself, which suggests that there was something
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suspended above that area in dripping blood down. Also, the
position of the gun on Amy's left side. Her family,
who's outside by this time, says she's right handed. So
there are three red flags immediately sticking out to you.
Right you're hearing our friends at Crime Watch Daily. That
was Michelle Sigona to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville,
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State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
I'd like you to address I mean, we can all
as light people understand the guns on the wrong side
of the body. Now, it possibly could have reacted and
gone across her body and landed on the left side.
But I want you to address the forty five degree
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angle at which her arms were found from her body.
And as he says, satellite blood drops. Yeah, the angle
or position of the arms relative to a weapon, for instance,
it needs to marry up with the consistency of the
weapon itself. You know, just for example, if if the
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if the arm, say, for instance, is in this kind
of odd contorted position relative to the weapon, it would
give the detective at the scene pause to think, well,
this just doesn't marry up. Now. The other thing that
we have to think about, Nancy, is these satellite blood droplets.
So remember what the detective said. He said that these
are not These are not like a real dynamic blood droplet.
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It's not a dynamic bloodstain like when we hear about
things like cast off from beatings or stabbings, or even
high velocity from a blast. This is something that's literally
dripping at a very slow rate of speed, probably off
of something at an elevated height, maybe off of the hand,
or maybe off of the tip of a weapon, say,
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for instance, that's hovering above the level the surface of
the floor. So it's going to give a completely different
dynamic in appearance. And somebody that's trained like this detective
is sure to recognize that at the scene, And of course,
what's the medical examiner performs the autopsy, he or she
can clearly see the trajectory path of the bullet, which
would most likely show that suicide was impossible. In other words,
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if she was shot from the back of the head
right upward to downward, clearly that's not a suicide. So
let me ask you this, Ray Kaputo, what happens to
the Minnesota church elder Stephen all Wine? Well, Nancy, I
needed that please start taking all this evidence in. It
becomes very clear that he had something to do with it.
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They charged him with a crime. He ends up going
on trial and he's convicted of murder, and he's convicted
of being dog day God. So he is going to
pay for his crime. But you know, he thought he
was the smartest guy in the room. Nancy, What's what's
the sentence. I believe he's he's going away for life. Nancy. Yeah,
you know what. Anna Blake, Minnesota has the death penalty,
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so I had plenty of time behind bars to think
back on his foiled murder plot, and that leaves their
little boy without a mother or a father. There is
also the case of Alexis Stern. Take a listen to this.
He was just like, I think you should sit down.
Someone put a hit out on you and they want
you to I was like, this is a joke, right,
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It was not a joke. On the dark web, someone
using the alias Mastermind three five had gone to a
hitman for Higher Sight and paid about five thousand dollars
worth of bitcoin for Alexis to be assassinated, giving chilling
details where I loomed, where I worked, from, a picture
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of me, a description of me, everything. FBI and Homeland
Security agents soon got involved. Although many dark web sites
are scams, Alexis knew someone out there wanted her debt
and that terrified me. Authorities promised to investigate. Here hearing
our friends at CBS forty eight hours that was Peter
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van zandt. Police come to this young lady and tell
her there is a hit on her, that she is
scheduled to die. All this goes down on the dark web,
straight out to psychiatrists, how the eland of jurisdiction joining
us Doctor Angela Arnold, Doctor ANGELA question. Have you noticed
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the code names, the handles, the user names these people use,
for instance Mastermind three sixty five or dog Day God.
What does that tell you? They're very grandios? Aren't they?
These names are very grandios. These people seem to It
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seems to be a portrayal that they don't think that
anyone can and get to them. They are going to
go through with what they're trying to do. To John Cardillo,
hosts America Talks news Max TV, former NYPD, I want
you to take a listen to our friend Peter van Zant.
Listen to this. We asked Alexis Stern to read the
disturbing emails between the person who wanted her dead code
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named Mastermind three six five and Eura, the alleged murder
for higher Kingpin on the dark Web. I can see
on your website that the services you offer are murder, assault, arson, kidnapping.
Is the job that I had in mind? Mastermind three
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six five sent this picture of Alexis to Ura. Then
for some reason, about a week later, he upgraded his
order from kidnapping too. I would just like this person dead.
I would just like this person to be shot and killed. Wow.
Straight out to Ray Caputo joining me, lead news anchor
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Orlando's Morning News WDBO. What happened? Then, after the fans
go to Alexis, tell her about the plot. What happens? Well,
I'll tell you what, Nancy. She gets spooked. Herners family
literally get in their car and they just drive away.
Because you know, if you'd think that, you know, somebody's
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out there, they don't know who it is. I mean,
it's like completely shocked his family. So they get up
and they leave. Now from that point forward, you know,
Alexis starts putting two and two together, and the first
person that she thinks of who could do this is
an ex boyfriend that she had lives over all the
way over across the pond in the UK. And then
she starts putting two and two together and contacts authorities
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about it. Guys, we're talking about the dark Web and
how the Internet is used to transfer her child pornography,
stolen goods, even higher hitmen. Alexa Stern says she believes
it was her ex, her boyfriend from Great Britain that
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wanted her dead. He absolutely refutes that to Kathleen Murphy,
North Carolina family lawyer. You can find her at insee
Domestic law dot com. I mean, if this is happening
happening in a dating relationship, what do you think's going
to happen after they get married? So, Nancy, I have
one word for all of this. I mean, I listened
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to the entire podcast, and people really need to consider
pre nuptural agreement. I think they're just trying to stay alive.
I don't think they're worried about there checking account four
one K. They're just trying to stay alive. But here
we're understanding this is her ex so apparently. I mean,
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I'm guessing she broke up with him, but the reality
is he swears he had nothing to do that. Take
a listen one last time to CBS forty eight hours,
Peter van zandt do you have any doubt in your
mind who put out the contract on your life? I
have no doubt in my mind that it is Adrian Fry.
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Adrian Fry, her ex boyfriend from England. When she saw
the kill order dated July fifteenth. She says the timing
suddenly made sense to her what had happened the day
before July. That is when I told Adrian that I
was dating someone else. And it wasn't just the timing
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of the hit order, she says, it was the language
two sounds very British. I would just like this person dead,
but if there's any more information, you would like in
box me. I don't know anyone in America that uses
the term in box me. Adrian, on the other hand,
often would say that alexis noticed, mastermind three six five,
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sometimes referred to himself with a lowercase I. She says,
when Adrian wrote her, he did the same thing, lowercase
I in box me. The devil is in the details.
We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing
off Goodbye friend,
Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now only on Fox Nation.
The dark Web, what is that? Well, you're about to
find out and I'm going to give you three examples
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where these so called dark web was used to hire Hitman.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here on
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Fox Nation and series x M one eleven. First of all,
let's kick it off with ABC seven News Chicago reporter
John Garcia Listen. Jones was having an affair with the
intended victim's husband, who she worked with. She used the
relative anonymic of the dark web to hire a company
called Sicilian Hitman International to kill his wife, all from
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her quiet suburban displays apartment. But a network news organization
investigating the dark web stumbled down to the plot and
reported it to Woodridge Police. Without they're bringing this evidence
to law enforcement's attention, who knows how this case would
have ended up. She admitted that she had access to
Hitman website. Investigators found evidence of Bitcoin payments and communication
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between Jones and the Hitman website on her laptop. Man
oh Man of chevits hiring a hitman on line on
the web, even if it is the dark web. From
any of you that don't know what the dark web is,
think of dark magic. That that's what it is. Everything
dark and distasteful is on the dark web. You know,
(01:54):
you want to know how to make a bomb dart web,
you want to hire a hitman dart web. But it's
just so predictable Sicilian Hitman International. Really with me an
all star panel to break it down and put it
bad together again. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, family lawyer at
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NC Domestic Law dot com and Family Law. That's certainly
putting perfume on the pig. It's anything but family. Like
John Cardillo, host America's Talks on NEWSMACKTV, former n Y
p D. You know he's been around the block once
or twice. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan joining us today,
Doctor ANGELA. Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us from the Atlanta jurisdiction.
And to Ray Kamputo, lead news anchor for Orlando's The
Morning News w d BO. Ray Kaputo, Wow first of
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all the dark Web. A lot of people won't even
know how to find the dart web. What do you do?
Go to Google and write in dart Web. It's really
like the seed back alley of the Internet. And you know,
I've accessed it as a journalist a couple of times.
Journalist in your professional capacity, right, yes, unfortunately or my
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job makes me do things like that. But but yeah,
it's just an absolutely seedy place. I mean everything from
kitty porn to murder for higher plots. It's just a
place that if you have any sensibility, you don't want
to be. Uh, how do you access the so called
dark web Kiputo? Well, you have to get a special browser.
It's not really a direct thing. You just don't log
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onto a website. But way I did, He's a download
a browser and then that gives you access to these
these shady sits and then you're you're kind of on
your own. It's not a straightforward thing, but it's really
not that difficult either if you're a little bit tech savvy. Nancy, Well,
you know, whenever I need to make the smart flicker work,
I call my son, who grabs it out of my hands.
(04:02):
At any opportunity. He grabs phones, he grabs the remote
controlled anything that has a button. He grabs it out
of my hand very rudely, I might add, he's like
a monkey, you know that just jumps down out of
a tree and grabs whatever remote is in your hand.
But tech savvy, I mean even a nine year old
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can do it. So basically anybody can do it if
they said their mind to it. John Cardillo hosts America
Talks on Newsmax TV former NYPD. You've actually worked dark
web cases. Can you break it down for me? Explain
to others what is the dark web? Right? So, like
the previous guests said, you download a browser. They're given
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types of browsers. The most popular one is they call
it tour tr browser, basicallyaning CRYPTI. Who whoa whoa whoa
whoa whoa Wait wait, wait a minute, because I'm pretty
sure Joseph Scott Morgan doesn't know what you're saying. When
you say download a browser. You don't have to best
(05:06):
Buy to get it or its I like to say
buy more. You know how to go to best Boy.
You just look it up and click and you download
the browser right there on your laptop, right on your laptop,
it's encrypted. And now the dark Web, I will say
this law enforcement Nancy has made a real dent. There
was a famous case called the Silk Road case, and
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Silk Road at the time was the largest marketplace on
the Dark Web, and you could go on there. I
mean I was on there when we were looking into them.
They were actually pedaling like bricks of heroin and fully
automatic anti aircraft weapon. I mean, it was insane the
types of things you could buy from around the world.
The problem for the bad guys was that many of
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them were just tech savvy enough, but not tech savvy enough.
So they would download this browser, but they wouldn't do
things like mask their IP address, the location of their computer,
the idea of their computer, and so the FBI in
any way you say they didn't mask their IP address
their internet provider. Let me give a really rudimentary example.
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I remember when I was still prosecuting in Inner City Atlanta,
I got a facts from the Fulton County Jail. It
was a death threat from an inmate. Well, just like
I could look at that number, see it was the
Fulton County Jail. Just like New York numbers start with
two one two, or Atlanta area number four h four
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or six seven eight. You could look and see it
was from the jail. Just like that. Cops can look
at the IP address, your Internet provider address, and track
you down like a bloodhound. Yeah they can. And so
what wound up happening was law enforcement that we started
to make it dent because of those people making silly mistakes.
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So the dark web has become more of a it's
more now of an exchange place for people who want
to believe they're doing something. And there still is nefarious
CD activity, don't get me wrong, but it's nowhere near
as bad as it used to be. Well maybe you
should tell that to Tina Jones. Take a listen to
CBS to Chicago reporter Charlie Damar, November fifteenth, twenty fifteen.
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Tina Jones is proposed to surrounded by family and friends,
her life seemingly going in the right direction, but the
honeymoon faded. This is her now in jail. Police say
she was having an affair with a married man accused
of paying a company on the dark web ten thousand
dollars in bitcoin currency to have that man's wife killed.
Jones lives with her spouse, and this displains apartment building
(07:44):
on River Road. Neighbors reacting to the arrest to me,
it's what's wrong with this lady that you know the
price of a life is on money. Last week, police
in suburban Woodridge received a tip about the murder for
higher plot from the CBS news program forty eight Hours.
That information led investigators back to Jones, revealing she allegedly
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made arrangements on the dark web for the hit. Back
in January, straight out to Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor
anchor Orlando's Morning News WDBO, Okay, tell me about Tina Jones.
First of all, she was using bitcoin, which my husband
and I argue about that all the time. I don't
think it's even real. You can't. You can't go to
a bank Jackie and say, oh, give me ten thousand bitcoins. Impossible.
(08:29):
It's pretend, but apparently people believe it. Okay, Ray Kaputo,
explain to me what Tina Jones did. Wow, she's pretty.
She could have any guys she wanted. Why do you
have to have an affair with a married man in
your office and then go online and order a hit
for his wife? Go ahead, you're your guess is as
good as mine. You know, Tina Jones wasn't even married
(08:51):
very long herself before she started one of several affairs.
I believe there's like two affairs actually, and this was
the second one. So it does make you one or
why this woman was married in the first place. But
she clearly liked to go after a men who were
taken because she starts this uffair. Now, meanwhile, Nancy, this
is a nurse. This is a person who is trained
to help people, and her instinct is the opposite. She
(09:15):
gets this love rival out of the way by going
to this murder for Higher website and she provided a
picture and addressed And here's the thing I answ this
wasn't a crime of passion. She made installments bitcoin installments
over three months. She had a plenty of time to
revisit this plan, but she ended up making that last
Bitcoin payment, so she was serious about this crime. Stories
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with Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about the dark
web and what goes on on the so called dark web.
And let me tell plenty right now, we're talking about
a beautiful young nurse, Tina Jones, who not long after
her wedding, that marriage was doomed. Starts in affear with
(10:12):
a married man and her office. How predictable? I mean,
does it always have to be the secretary or a
co worker you go into the office fridge and get
your yoga out together. I mean, surprise me. Why is
it always the office, always a married man? But that's
what happened. But that wasn't enough for her, according to prosecutors,
they say she went on the dark web to hire
(10:34):
a hit man from I mean, this is straight out
of Central Casting Sicilian Hitman International. I mean to you,
Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina Family Law Attorney, Family Law Attorney,
NC Domestic Law dot com, that was a little redundant
family law attorney. But okay, that's your canon worms to
(10:54):
deal with Kathleen Murphy. Kathleen installment plan. You remember you
used to have layaway like you'd want a sweater. You
see it at what Sears and you go pay ten
dollars until you pay the whole thing. Often you get
the sweater. An installment plan for murder, Kathleen Murphy. Not
only is that significantly cold blooded, but Nancy, she never
(11:20):
even met this woman. And how cold blooded can somebody
be to sit behind a computer and make installment payments
for murder of a person you've never met. And she's
thirty three years old. It's not like she's some starry
eyed teen girl and that has no idea what she's doing.
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She's thirty three years old. And what does that tell
you to Doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta,
That she's a newlywed but she starts an affair. Of course,
it takes two to tango, I'll use that old tire cliche.
So the man was part of this too, as far
as the affair anyway, don't know that he's connected to
the murder attempt. But she's just gotten married. Well, why
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is she having an affair with a married co worker?
Doctor Angela. It's not the first time I've ever heard
about something like this. The part that disturbs me the
most is how premeditated this was on her part, and
the and the length of time that she that she
participated in this plot. But I have but I have
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often seen people who are recently married start having an affair.
This is not that that was not a surprise to me.
That part of it. I wonder if it's just too
much life change and this is their way of an
out because or perhaps or perhaps they feel trapped. They
could feel trapped, and they want to know that they can,
(12:50):
that they can still, you know, be out there doing
whatever they were doing before. But it isn't. But it
isn't a sign of some mental instability, no matter what
it is, isn't it you know what I'm thought of,
Doctor Angela Arnold. The other night, John David had a
play date and it was to spend the night, so
Lucy and I stayed up. I'm embarrassed to say, don't
call de facts. Three am watching girl movies and one
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of them was Runaway Bride, remember that which Julia robertson
Somebody Long story short? Why would you go through with
the wedding in a marriage if you're gonna feel trapped?
Don't you get an inkling of that as you're walking
down the aisle? Well? I have. I think that this
speaks to some much deeper things going on in this woman.
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We have no idea what she was, what her history
was prior of getting married. You know. Another issue is
I think I know what triggered this. The married co
worker dumped her. He called it off raka photer how
could you leave out that important fact and her psyche
She gotten dumped royally and this was her response to
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kill the wife. It is, it's absolutely preposterous. It's not
what most people do. Most people, you know, break ups
hurt Nancy, but you know most people have had one
that caused a little sting. And what we didn't do
is get on the dark weapon and hire somebody. So
you know again, circle God so to you. Joseph Scott Morgan,
Professor Forensics, Jackson State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet
(14:23):
on Amazon. J Scott, you don't just look at blood
spatter and crime stace. You look at all sorts of
forensic evidence, including a huge digital footprint. This woman's leaving behind,
going online making installment payments. Talk about premeditation if premeditation
can be formed in an instant, in an twin, just
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like that when you raise the gun and pull the trigger,
that's enough under the law to form premeditation, which means
premeditateated murder. She was making installment payments like she's, you know,
buying a sweater at belt Matthew, and she went, it's
such such a scam, and it was a scam. It
wasn't even real sight Sicilian Hitman International. So how long
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does it take for the cops to unravel that digital trail? Yeah,
that sounds really legit Sicilian Hitman. Yeah. Hey, listen, she's
left she's literally left electronic breadcrumbs as clues for people
to follow. And now you know, we're law enforcement has
caught up. They've they've kind of you know, they've they've
(15:30):
beat the curve now because their entire units that are
specifically assigned to do computer forensics. And boy, when you're
talking about making installment payments, every time there's a keystroke
relative to this engagement that she's having with these people,
that is another clue along this path. And the fact,
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going to what doctor Angela said just a moment ago,
the fact that she had this much time to think
about this. This isn't like a heat of passion type
of event you talked about premeditation. Man, she'd been thinking
about this for a while. Listen to this, Joe Scott
talking about forensic evidence, and like you said, you can
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look at every digital keystroke. As a matter of fact.
You know, my book coming out, Don't Be a Victim.
One of the chapters about how to protect yourself and
your family deals with cybersecurity, if you really want to
see what your children are doing, other than sneaking up
behind them all the time and ambushing them like I
like to do. For the scare factor, there are many
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many programs out there that you can download on somebody's
computer and it catches every keystroke and then I understand
the way it works is that you type in let's
just pretend you type in creepy Specter and that the
program comes up, you put in a password, and then
suddenly you see every keystroke or pictures what they're looking at.
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If you really want to go deafcom for so, if
we can do that, of course, the police can do it.
Experts in computer technology can do it. So here she
is and we understand. Speaking of her digital footprint, she
left specific instructions on the website as to when the
husbandwoman's husband would be at work when so the hit
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the Sicilian hitman would know when she was alone not
to hurt the husband and make it look like it
was I think a robbery gone bad, it's what she wanted,
or an accident. So ray kaput. What did she tell
the Sicilian hitman International that she wont and what specifically
did she want? Well, she wanted this woman dead, and
(17:47):
the other thing was she didn't want the X, the
person that she was having an affair, way to hurt.
So she had very very specific instruction that you know,
when those instructions, it becomes evident what she wanted to do.
She wanted to get this woman out of the way
through this murder for higher plot so she could have
her husband all to herself until she bought you know, Miranda.
When police get a hold of her, she immediately after
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ten minutes blurts out that she did it, Kathleen Murphy.
Then she wanted a lawyer, but it was too late.
She had already blurted out to cops that she did it. Nancy,
this woman is clearly delusional. She's not thinking. And nice
see people that come through our court system time and
time again who think they're smarter than the police, who
think they're smarter than the detective, who have no clue
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that everything they're typing on their computers can be traced.
I have programs where I print out all these text
messages and to read these text messages, people are clueless
as to the imprint or the footprint that they're leaving.
You know, I'm looking online at some photos CBS posted,
and it's of the legitimate fiance, not the marry coworker
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bending down giving her the rings, saying Tina, will you
marry me? Tina says yes, but that wasn't enough. She
had to have not only the married co worker, but
his wife's head on a platter. That's Tina Jones. She
played guilty to attempted murder. Guide about twelve years plus probation.
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With Nancy Grace, we are switching gears here at Fox
(20:11):
Nation and series Sex and one eleven. We're talking about
the mischief and mayhem and murder, among other things that's
going down on a so called dark web. You may
not have ever heard of it, but boy of I
now we're talking about a young person, a young woman
named Amy l Wine and the suspect, Steven all Wine.
(20:35):
Take a listen to our friend chelseagona nine one one
with the adjecue emergency. I think my wife. There's blood
all over shot gun. It looks like a gut wrenching
scene plays out During a nine one one call, A
young boy is the first to find his mother's shot
(20:58):
to death inside their home. Does she still out the weapon?
I don't know. We just got shoot herself. I don't know.
I just saw her and in bloody busy trying to
console his son, Stephen Alwine has little information for the operator. Okay,
do you re see her right now? I'm with my
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friend sar. Do you know if she was breathing it all?
I don't from dinner? Okay, would you like to check
on her and see if she is or do you
believe that she's beyond house? There for a second, they
want me to check on her. Stephen quickly returns to
the phone with the tragic news. Okay, I'm not breathing.
(21:39):
I can't tell where she shot. Wow, our friend Michelsea
gone crime watched daily. He sounds awfully calm to have
just found his wife's shot dead and his son going
bizarre of course after saying, Mommy covered in blood. I'm
not quite sure how the dark web is going to
fit into this, but I know this much. And defense
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attorneys will argue with Matill, they're blue in the face.
But he sounded real, Jackie. Did he sound calm to you?
He sounded very calm to me, like she shot herself dead.
I'm not buying that for a minute. To Kamputer Laid
news anchor Orlando's morning news w d B, oh right,
what happened exactly? Well, this case actually starts like six
(22:22):
months before her murder, when the the SBI pops up
on aby All wine store and they give her some
shocking news answer. They say someone put a hit out
for on the dark web. And they figured this out
because there was a white hat, a white hat computer hackers,
an ethical computer hacker out of the UK, and he
broke into one of these websites and he found all
this information and ends up passing it along. And that's
(22:44):
how SBI and figure out somebody wanted Amy killed. Somebody
that used the handle dog Day God paid six thous
whoa the handle was wet dog day God. Okay, can
to leave that to our strength to figure that one out.
But that's his handle, now, you said six months before,
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and she stayed in the home even though the FBI,
if I got my fact straight, called her and said, hey,
somebody put a six thousand dollars hit on your life.
And she stayed in the home with her child. Yeah,
she did, with her husband or a child. I know
that they had purchased a gun because they were scared,
but you know, unfortunately that was the same gun that
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Amy alridly allegedly had used to kill herself. So yeah,
they stayed in that home, Nancy. A trial kicking off
for a so called church elder, a forty four year
old church elder out of Minnesota accused of killing his
wife and staging it to look like suicide after a
(23:48):
failed attempt to hire a hitman on the dark web
so he could quote date other women. Might be hard
to date other women from behind bars on a life sentence.
I don't understand that thinking, but we see it all
the time. To John Cardillo, hosts America Talks on news
(24:10):
Max TV former NYPD, it reminds me of Scott Peterson.
If you want to have a relationship with Amber Fry,
who's gorgeous, why not just get a divorce and let
your wife's whole family hate you, because your family's gonna
blame her no matter what and date. I'd be mad
(24:31):
if you didn't get after it. Why murder? How many
times have you seen that? John Cardillo, Nancy? It's always
been the question, right, I mean these guys, first of all,
aside from committing the murder, the heinous act taking a
life instead of just losing a couple of bucks in
a divorce settlement, havn't your wife's family hate you? People
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you were going to be out of touch with anyway
when you go off with the new person you're seeing,
either break up with them and see somebody new or
married somebody else. You're now sitting in jail for the
rest of your life. If you're in a capital murder state,
sitting on death row, you'll probably spend close to a
million bucks in legal fees. Your life is destroyed. A
church elder, it's not going to have a million dollars.
And the Methodist church that I'm a part of, the
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pastors man, they need to pay raise big time. Yeah, okay,
but I'm talking about the normal guy who goes out there,
maybe has a couple of bucks and messes around on
his wife. You're right, why not just leave her. I've
never understood the psychopathology of killing the person you're with.
I've just never never made sense to me. People get
divorced every day. There's a couple of months of hiccup,
(25:34):
a little bit of unpleasantries, and then everybody gets over
it and moves on and goes on with their life,
and everybody has things doing their life. So yes, never
understood it. You know. Another layer to this is that
the alleged killer is not from the dark Web. It's
actually the church. What do they call him? A church elder?
(26:00):
A thank his position within the church made it impossible
for him to get a divorce, so it's better to
commit murder. I want you to take a Lissa now
to our friends at Fox nine Minneapolis, Saint Paul reporter
Tom Leiden, dog day, God goes on. This bitch has
torn my family apart by sleeping with my husband, who
(26:20):
then left me and is stealing clients from my business.
There are dozens of emails over the next two months
as dog Day God sends thirteen thousand dollars an anonymous
bitcoin to Bessimafia, asking them to kill Amy when she
makes a trip to Maline, Illinois to make it look
like an accident, but that falls through. There's another plan
(26:44):
to kill Amy at home during spring break when her
husband and son are away and burn the house down,
but that falls through too. It's the level of detail
that stood out for detectives. This was someone who knew
Amy's every move. It starts to look pretty obvious that
dog Day God was somebody very close to Amy all
(27:05):
Wine at that point for all of us, I think,
and not only that, it was someone that wanted the
husband and the son spared. As a matter of fact,
the dog Day God person the killer was very careful
in their specifications as to how they wanted this innocent mother,
(27:27):
Amy Allwine murdered. Take a listen again to our friends
at Fox NI Minneapolis, Saint Paul Web of lies that
Tom Leiden. The FBI had contacted the all Wines and
Cottage Grove Police. FBI agents told the all Wines they
had received information that a murder for higher inquiry had
been located on the dark web. A part of the
(27:50):
Internet that is all but untraceable, with Amy all Wine
as the intended target. The website was called Bessa Mafia,
claim to be run by Albanian gangsters contracting with professional
hitmen around the world. Someone had recently hacked the site
and posted their private emails for the world to see,
(28:13):
including an email chain from someone in Minnesota with the
name dog Day God who writes, I am looking to
hire you for a hit. But what is the recommended
way to convert cash to bitcoin? Man? Oh Man, what
a trail they're leaving behind. Hey, by the way, this
(28:35):
is the base of mafia, Albanian gangsters. It sounds like
a fifth grader writing a crime novel. The last one
was Sicilian Hitman International. This is base up mafia, the
Albanian gangsters, and now they're actually asking the alleged hitman
(28:56):
to explain to them how to change my any currency
into bitcoin. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
(29:19):
talking about the so called dark web. What isn't how
does it work? Why are people using it? It is
still functionaling? Right now we're talking about Amy all Wine.
At first, police are told that it is a suicide,
that she shot herself but that didn't cut it with police.
(29:42):
Take a list to our friend, Michelle Sigona. Sergeant Randy
McAllister at the Cottage Grove Police Department was the first
detective on the scene. You questioned the suicide theory right
off the bat. Yeah, I hadn't completely discarded it yet
because when weird things can happen with physical evidence and
blood splatter in physics, but it was enough for me
(30:04):
to at least put the brakes on. What stuck out
to you. She was sort of laid out with her
arms out to forty five degrees. That's not a normal
position for somebody who's just shot themselves in the head.
Another red flag blood drops around the bedroom. There were
some what we call satellite blood drops outside of the
mean blood pool itself, which suggests that there was something
(30:28):
suspended above that area in dripping blood down. Also, the
position of the gun on Amy's left side. Her family,
who's outside by this time, says she's right handed. So
there are three red flags immediately sticking out to you.
Right you're hearing our friends at Crime Watch Daily. That
was Michelle Sigona to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville,
(30:50):
State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
I'd like you to address I mean, we can all
as light people understand the guns on the wrong side
of the body. Now, it possibly could have reacted and
gone across her body and landed on the left side.
But I want you to address the forty five degree
(31:12):
angle at which her arms were found from her body.
And as he says, satellite blood drops. Yeah, the angle
or position of the arms relative to a weapon, for instance,
it needs to marry up with the consistency of the
weapon itself. You know, just for example, if if the
(31:35):
if the arm, say, for instance, is in this kind
of odd contorted position relative to the weapon, it would
give the detective at the scene pause to think, well,
this just doesn't marry up. Now. The other thing that
we have to think about, Nancy, is these satellite blood droplets.
So remember what the detective said. He said that these
are not These are not like a real dynamic blood droplet.
(31:59):
It's not a dynamic bloodstain like when we hear about
things like cast off from beatings or stabbings, or even
high velocity from a blast. This is something that's literally
dripping at a very slow rate of speed, probably off
of something at an elevated height, maybe off of the hand,
or maybe off of the tip of a weapon, say,
(32:20):
for instance, that's hovering above the level the surface of
the floor. So it's going to give a completely different
dynamic in appearance. And somebody that's trained like this detective
is sure to recognize that at the scene, And of course,
what's the medical examiner performs the autopsy, he or she
can clearly see the trajectory path of the bullet, which
would most likely show that suicide was impossible. In other words,
(32:44):
if she was shot from the back of the head
right upward to downward, clearly that's not a suicide. So
let me ask you this, Ray Kaputo, what happens to
the Minnesota church elder Stephen all Wine? Well, Nancy, I
needed that please start taking all this evidence in. It
becomes very clear that he had something to do with it.
(33:06):
They charged him with a crime. He ends up going
on trial and he's convicted of murder, and he's convicted
of being dog day God. So he is going to
pay for his crime. But you know, he thought he
was the smartest guy in the room. Nancy, What's what's
the sentence. I believe he's he's going away for life. Nancy. Yeah,
you know what. Anna Blake, Minnesota has the death penalty,
(33:27):
so I had plenty of time behind bars to think
back on his foiled murder plot, and that leaves their
little boy without a mother or a father. There is
also the case of Alexis Stern. Take a listen to this.
He was just like, I think you should sit down.
Someone put a hit out on you and they want
you to I was like, this is a joke, right,
(33:53):
It was not a joke. On the dark web, someone
using the alias Mastermind three five had gone to a
hitman for Higher Sight and paid about five thousand dollars
worth of bitcoin for Alexis to be assassinated, giving chilling
details where I loomed, where I worked, from, a picture
(34:15):
of me, a description of me, everything. FBI and Homeland
Security agents soon got involved. Although many dark web sites
are scams, Alexis knew someone out there wanted her debt
and that terrified me. Authorities promised to investigate. Here hearing
our friends at CBS forty eight hours that was Peter
(34:36):
van zandt. Police come to this young lady and tell
her there is a hit on her, that she is
scheduled to die. All this goes down on the dark web,
straight out to psychiatrists, how the eland of jurisdiction joining
us Doctor Angela Arnold, Doctor ANGELA question. Have you noticed
(34:57):
the code names, the handles, the user names these people use,
for instance Mastermind three sixty five or dog Day God.
What does that tell you? They're very grandios? Aren't they?
These names are very grandios. These people seem to It
(35:17):
seems to be a portrayal that they don't think that
anyone can and get to them. They are going to
go through with what they're trying to do. To John Cardillo,
hosts America Talks news Max TV, former NYPD, I want
you to take a listen to our friend Peter van Zant.
Listen to this. We asked Alexis Stern to read the
disturbing emails between the person who wanted her dead code
(35:41):
named Mastermind three six five and Eura, the alleged murder
for higher Kingpin on the dark Web. I can see
on your website that the services you offer are murder, assault, arson, kidnapping.
Is the job that I had in mind? Mastermind three
(36:02):
six five sent this picture of Alexis to Ura. Then
for some reason, about a week later, he upgraded his
order from kidnapping too. I would just like this person dead.
I would just like this person to be shot and killed. Wow.
Straight out to Ray Caputo joining me, lead news anchor
(36:27):
Orlando's Morning News WDBO. What happened? Then, after the fans
go to Alexis, tell her about the plot. What happens? Well,
I'll tell you what, Nancy. She gets spooked. Herners family
literally get in their car and they just drive away.
Because you know, if you'd think that, you know, somebody's
(36:48):
out there, they don't know who it is. I mean,
it's like completely shocked his family. So they get up
and they leave. Now from that point forward, you know,
Alexis starts putting two and two together, and the first
person that she thinks of who could do this is
an ex boyfriend that she had lives over all the
way over across the pond in the UK. And then
she starts putting two and two together and contacts authorities
(37:10):
about it. Guys, we're talking about the dark Web and
how the Internet is used to transfer her child pornography,
stolen goods, even higher hitmen. Alexa Stern says she believes
it was her ex, her boyfriend from Great Britain that
(37:31):
wanted her dead. He absolutely refutes that to Kathleen Murphy,
North Carolina family lawyer. You can find her at insee
Domestic law dot com. I mean, if this is happening
happening in a dating relationship, what do you think's going
to happen after they get married? So, Nancy, I have
one word for all of this. I mean, I listened
(37:52):
to the entire podcast, and people really need to consider
pre nuptural agreement. I think they're just trying to stay alive.
I don't think they're worried about there checking account four
one K. They're just trying to stay alive. But here
we're understanding this is her ex so apparently. I mean,
(38:13):
I'm guessing she broke up with him, but the reality
is he swears he had nothing to do that. Take
a listen one last time to CBS forty eight hours,
Peter van zandt do you have any doubt in your
mind who put out the contract on your life? I
have no doubt in my mind that it is Adrian Fry.
(38:33):
Adrian Fry, her ex boyfriend from England. When she saw
the kill order dated July fifteenth. She says the timing
suddenly made sense to her what had happened the day
before July. That is when I told Adrian that I
was dating someone else. And it wasn't just the timing
(38:56):
of the hit order, she says, it was the language
two sounds very British. I would just like this person dead,
but if there's any more information, you would like in
box me. I don't know anyone in America that uses
the term in box me. Adrian, on the other hand,
often would say that alexis noticed, mastermind three six five,
(39:21):
sometimes referred to himself with a lowercase I. She says,
when Adrian wrote her, he did the same thing, lowercase
I in box me. The devil is in the details.
We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing
off Goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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