May 29, 2019 • 36 mins
New York City Police Department officer, Valerie Cincinelli, is accused of trying to hire a hitman to kill her estranged husband, Isaiah Carvalho Jr.
The case takes a number of twists and turns after an unlikely informant contacts the FBI.
Nancy's expert panel weighs in:
Sheryl McCollum Atlanta PD crime scene investigator
Wendy Patrick Trial attorney & author of “Red Flags”
Bobby Chacon Retired FBI special agent
Caryn Stark Psychologist
John Lemley Crimeoneline.com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace decorated NYPD officers behind bars
accused in a shocking murder for higher plot in a
criminal complaint, Authorities say thirty four year old Valerie Cincinneli
allegedly asked her boyfriend to hire a hitman with the
intention of murdering her estranged husband. But it doesn't end there. Cincinneli,
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a twelve year veteran on the force, allegedly wanted to
have her boyfriend's daughter killed by a hitman as well.
Cincinnelli's father, it's now speaking out in defense of his daughter.
I guarantee you my daughter is innocent of this, saying
there's more to this story. This guy that she's involved
is a wacko psycho. This is the second time he's
had her arrested. Cincinneli's boyfriend allegedly told her he knew
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a hitman who would do the job for seven thousand
dollars converted into gold coins. Authorities say the murders were
supposed to have happened last weekend, but as part of
an FBI ruse, detectives went to her house to say
her husband had been murdered. She was arrested after allegedly
contacting her boyfriend to talk about an alibi, not knowing
that he was cooperating with investigators the entire time. Her
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neighbors in utter shock didn't see that one calling for
sell at ABC's GMA reporter Maggie Ruly, is it true
did a cop arrange to have her ex husband murdered
as part of a hit, and not only that, to
have her boyfriend's daughter rubbed out as well? I mean,
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it's he Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for
being with us. You know, Cheryl McCollum, longtime colleague and friend,
director the Coal Case Research Institute. You know, I don't
know why I don't just stop saying this, But every
time I say I think I've seen it all, then
you know, I see something else, and then I say
it again, I think I've seen it all. You know,
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we were in the trenches together, fighting crime, looking for fendance,
looking for evidence. Do you through the dirt for bullet
for shell casings, the works? You know you think Cheryl
an in a cop, a veteran cop, would know better. Yep?
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Did you actually just say yep? That's your answer? Not
only does she want to kill her ex husband and
ladies hear me when I say there is a reason
he's an X. Okay, can't you just leave it at that?
He's your ex? Go be happy, run like young gazelle,
get away from him. Why getting mired down and having
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a hit put on him? That's for our shrink, Karen
start but Cheryl, Okay, I'm expecting a little more than
yep from you. No, I would get into it if
oh now I get no, Now I get no. Okay.
I guess that's an improvement that overwhelming because you're talking
about such an iconic police department first of all, I mean,
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the world looks to NYPD for training, and then you've
got not only a veteran, but a decorated veteran who
foiled a bank robbery on her own. I mean, it
is baffling to me that she thought this very elementary
plan was going to work. That you go to the
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person that is your boyfriend, that you've had a volatile
relationship with, that you don't really trust because he's had
you arrested, but that's who you go to to find
a hit man. I mean, this wouldn't even be a
good made for TV movie. I don't know. I think
i'd like to see this a made for TV movie.
But first, can we just get through the trial and
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again before a defense attorneys get all tuned up. Second verse,
same as the first. Yeah, she's innocent until proven guilty.
Maybe I should just start the program with that. Of course,
she's innocent until she's proven guilty. But what you said
about the NYPD, you're right because we have lived in
New York from many many years since I moved to
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New York Stars show Johnny Cochrane, God rest his soul,
and the NYPD is great. They're tough when they need
to be when. Okay, I know this is just a
tiny snapshot, but whenever the twins walk up to an NYPD,
they couldn't be nicer. I've seen him be harsh, but
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you know what, they needed to be harsh at that
moment when they did it. And yes, every police force
has bad apples and they make everybody else look bad.
But I think you're right. I think they are iconic overall.
Cheryl mcollum, Okay, let's get some facts before I get
Cheryl mccollumb all strung out on what we think happened
joining me right now. Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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John Lemley. Okay Lemley, start at the beginning. First of all,
why would you stay with the guy. It's already had
you arrested once I take the patent turner pat in
the street at turn a corner. Oh yeah, i'd away
gone from him, but she stayed. Now she's in the
pokey deservedly, John Limley, what do I need to ask? Well,
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that has been an on again, off again, on again,
off again relationship for quite some time. I think you
should say it one more time. Just okay, good, I
got I got on again, off again, Jackie. Did you
get okay? Good? Go ahead, John Limley. You know, as
we're sort of setting the scene for this woman. This
decorated police officer. Cheryl McCullum mentioned a story actually that
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went viral about this police officer. In twenty seventeen, one
of Cincinnelli's arrests really made headlines when she caught a
man who literally red handed. This time, a man went
to a Howard Beach bank and demanded cash. He left
with a bag filled with thirteen hundred dollars and I
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mean yes the diepack, yes a dollar. I'm so happy.
I could not be happier when the bomb exploded, the
man drop the money ran for it. Officers Cincinnati happened
to be in the Howard Beach area at the time.
Wait a minute, that was Valerie Cincinnati allegedly ordered a
hit man. Yes, totally, Moley, I didn't realize that. Okay,
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hold on Bobby Chicone joining me, FBI Special Agent Bobby Chicone.
I mean, bank robberies are hard, are hard to break,
okay because usually they're usually they're very well thought out.
You go into a bank, you got a plan, you
know it's armed, you know there's also it's just surveillance.
I've prosecuted a bank robbery before. Usually the FEDS take
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it away because it's FDIC insured. But I managed to
have a bank robbery. Sheryl, I don't know if you
remember that one. That's what the dyslexic bank robber. Don't
touch the al ram. This is the robie translation. Don't
touch the alarm. This is a robbery. Needless to say,
we did a yeah, we did a handwriting comparison and
he refers all of his letters in the handwriting comparison
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that helped Bobby chi Khan. This woman stopped a bank robber.
Die pack no die pack and now this that really
doesn't make sense, and she's that good and did something
this bad allegedly. Well, you know, first of all, echo
your sentiments about the NYPD. My brother and father were
both retired NYPD detectives. However, you know this particular officer
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while she and then you had to go mess it
up and go with the fans encouragement of my father. Um,
but she, you know, this particular officer also had some
uh bad behavior in her police record. Also, she had
previously been suspended, um, and her gun taken away and
put on modified duty because wait, wait, wait, wait for
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what for what what did she did get suspended? She
was she was a previous boyfriend of all things. Um
reported that she was spending time at his house while
she was on duty, and so, um, she's disciplinement it
is with this woman's boyfriend's you know. Wendy Patrick, California
prosecutor and author of Red Flags on Amazon, Bobby Chicoon,
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hold on just a moment, John Limley, just hold that thought.
We women have got to get together on this. Cheryl McCullum,
Wendy Patrick, Karen Start. Another boyfriend reports her for being
at his house while she's on duty. She probably just
swing by for a Haven't Cheese sandwich. What's wrong with that?
Wendy Patrick? Yeah, you know, Nancy, it's really a great
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point you bring up. Are we to be only judged
by the company we keep? And if so, why are
we so bad at choosing our personal relationships when apparently
we're also good at our jobs professionally. This lady seems
to be one more example of that. You're right there.
There does seem to be a pattern to the problems
that she's having in her life. This will no doubt
make her sympathetic. I know everybody hates to say that,
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because what she did was awful, but that'll be something
a defense attorney will probably pick up on. This is
something the father's already stating that it's the sun, it's
it's the it's the boyfriend, it's you know, it's somebody
else's fault that god are involved in this. But you
are right, it is it is curious that there is
this steady string of let's just say, problematic relationship. Well
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wait a minute, you have a very good point there,
and a good defense attorney is gonna latch right on. Listen,
I'm not saying the woman's innocent. Okay, because when you
get a hitman case, they've got you every which way
but loose. They've got John tape, they've got John video here,
they stung or with fake murder photos. But you know
there's a very good point. A defense attorney is gonna
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latch on too. Take a listen to CBS Valerie Castro
outside Cincinnelli's dad's house. Listen this guy, because she's involved.
There's a wacko psycho. NYPD officer Valerie Cincinnelli, once praised
for her role in stopping a queen's bank robbery, now
arrested and accused of hatching a plot to hire a hitman.
Neighbors were stunned after FBI agents were seen carrying boxes
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of evidence out of her home. I really I can't
believe this, going as far as I just maybe, Like
I said before, I don't want to believe it. Her
intended targets an ex husband and the fifteen year old
daughter of her current boyfriend. According to sources, the price
seven thousand dollars. Investigators say the thirty four year old
enlisted the help of her boyfriend, but he went to
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police and became a confidential source. Court documents say in February,
Cincinnelli made a cash withdrawal of seven thousand dollars from
a TV Bank branch in Wanta to pay the hitman.
The confidential source told her the hitman didn't want to
off the child near a school, but Cincinnelli's response, according
to court documents, run her the explet of over how
about that crime stories with Nancy Grace. As for her
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ex husband, she hoped his death could be made to
look like a robbery gone bad. Friday morning, FBI agents
posing as the hitman sent her text messages which included
a photograph of the defendant's estranged husband appearing dead in
his car, and the demand for an additional three thousand
dollars to kill the daughter. Cincinneli then allegedly told her
boyfriend she was deleting the text messages and pictures to
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cover up her involvement in the crime. The allegations are
tough to grasp for the man who lives next door
and has met both Cincinneli's ex husband and her current boyfriend.
She's got two kids, man, and she's a police officer.
Will she really do something like that? I don't know
Cincinnelli's father says his daughter is the real victim of
the man who turned against her. There's no doubt that
he manipulated multiple conversations to come up with his statements.
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He's very smart, but he's a pathological liar and there's
something wrong with his brain, investigators say. Cincinneli was also
reported discussing what her alibi would be, saying she would
be sure to be home at the time of the murders.
She's being held without bail. Prosecutors argued she is a
danger to the community, did a decorated NYPD cop. She
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allegedly tried to hire a hitman to kill her ex husband,
and as if that's not enough, she is now accused
of trying to rub out to murder her boyfriend's daughter,
teen girl. Um bottom line saying, just runner the f over. Wow.
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You know, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coldcase Research Institute,
We've certainly seen our sharecases. But when I hear that
dad speaking, I can just hear my father on the
front steps of the house, tearing everybody a new rear end,
defending me, blaming everybody else, I mean, willing to throw
a punch. I can this just reminds me so much
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of my dad. You know, I think that there is
a grain of truth in what he's saying. Look at it.
This boyfriend is the one who said he could find
a hitman. I'm not defending her because I guarantee you
they've got her on tape, They've got her on video.
They've got a picture of her pulling out the seven grand,
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which is coincidentally the same amount of the hit man
wanted the fake hit man. I mean, yes, but I
think that boyfriend may have been stirring the pots. Cheryl McCollum,
well the biggest and her dad and mister mack is
he had every right your dad to defend you. You
didn't have a stream of exits in your background. They
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all had arrested you, and that you had physically fought
with and you worked written up every five minutes. And
Louis Layton golle, Oh oh oh no, her background is flag.
Got the flag, got the flag. That's the flag. Now
you know what I'm given. I was cutting her some
slight because of the boyfriend, but you know what, it's
her record. Karen Stark Psychologists. You can find her at
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Karen Stark dot com. Joining us today from Manhattan, Karen Stark.
It's her record. Look, you can blame the boyfriends all
you want to, you can blame the ex husband all
you want to. She's the one that took the money
out of the bank to pay the hitman. She's the
one that said runner the f over to the hitman.
I'm sure she's on tape. You know, they got to
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get everything on tape. She was part of it. Part
about a psychopath. Man, go ahead, you're talking about a psychopath.
And when you're talking about somebody like that and murderer,
you cannot persuade another person to commit those kind of crimes.
And I think it's absolutely true that your dad would
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not have been defending you in a situation like that,
but you wouldn't be in a situation like that. You're
talking about somebody who has no feelings. So it doesn't
take a lot to stir somebody up and get them
to decide, you know what my ex is in the way.
I think I'll just kill him. And while I'm at it,
why not kill your daughter? Because you know she's annoying
to me too, And that's people are not real. She
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could care less about what she does you know, Andy Patrick,
Karen Stark is right. I guess I was projecting dealt
with so many women that have gotten tangled up with
bad guys and then they get dragged down the rabbit
hole with them. But it's this woman, it's her, It
is Vali Cincinnelli, because aside from each particular man, if
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you look at her history, she's got the first incident
where she's caught on duty hanging out at some guy's house.
Then she's been arrested for another incident and with a boyfriend.
Now this incident, I mean that's three. That's three. I
mean if I showed up late to court one time,
I'd be in trouble as an assistant district attorney. I
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mean trouble. So at what point do we quit cutting
her a brake and blaming it on a bad guy.
I mean, you can't turn away from the fact that
when you don't know a horse, look at his track record.
She's got three incidents already. Wendy, that's right, So three strikes,
you're out now here we are again, and that you're
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absolutely right. You know, prior bad acts is the legal definition.
It shouldn't really be called that because they're not bad acts.
Sometimes they're criminals, sometimes they are Sometimes say, patterns make
the predator when we're talking about sex offenses. But in
a pattern like this, you just gotta wonder whether or
not at what point is it her own bad choices
that is to blame, rather than being under the influence
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of a bad relationship. And one of the issues in
court is going to be how much of these prior
incidents are admissible in order to explain what she did.
Are they relevant enough? Are they similar enough? Maybe not,
But it also cuts against the really giving her a break,
which is something that the jury might otherwise be tempted
to do. Well, this is what we know. Cincinneli was
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hired two thousand and seven. She was a domestic violence
officer assigned to THEE hundred and six precinct. She became
involved with a local man she met on the job.
She was stripped of her badging gun in twenty seventeen
after she ended the relationship and the guy rated her
out internal affairs, claiming she spent time at as Howard
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Beach home while on duty. What a coinkie dink that
he reported her after she dumped him. So we're not
sure if that's the guy who was described as an
older quote sugar daddy who pay for her car and
other bills. Or is that the same one in this
alleged murder for hire plot. What we do know is
her husband, Isaiah Carvalho Junior, sued her for divorce in
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Nassau County. They had a trial set for June. You know,
the divorced lawyer is happy the whole thing was foiled.
But I want to get back to the facts, John Linley,
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. I want you to
take a listen to CBS Valerie Castro as for her
ex husband, she hoped his death could be made to
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look like a robbery gone bad. Friday morning, FBI agents
posing as the hitman sent her text messages which included
a photograph of the defendant's estranged husband appearing dead in
his car and the demand for an additional three thousand
dollars to kill the daughter. Cincinneli then allegedly told her
boyfriend she was deleting the text messages and pictures to
cover up her involvement in the crime. The allegations are
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tough to grasp for the man who lives next door
and has met both Cincinneli's ex husband and her current boyfriend.
She's got two kids, man, and she's a police officer.
Will she really do something like that? I don't know.
Cincinnelli's father says his daughter is the real victim of
the man who turned against her. There's no doubt that
he manipulated multiple conversations to come up with his statements.
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He's very smart, but he's a pathological liar and there's
something wrong with his brain, investigators say. Cincinneli was also
recorded discussing what her alibi would be, saying she would
be sure to be home at the time of the murders.
She's being held without bail. Prosecutors argued she is a
danger to the community crisis with Nancy Grace. As for
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her ex husband, she hoped his death could be made
to look like a robbery gone bad. Friday morning, FBI
agents posing as the hitman sent her text messages, which
included a photograph of the defendant's estranged husband appearing dead
in his car and the demand for an additional three
thousand dollars to kill the daughter. Cincinneli then allegedly told
her boyfriend she was deleting the text messages and pictures
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to cover up her involvement in the crime. The allegations
are tough to grasp for the man who lives next
door and has met both Cincinneli's ex husband and her
current boyfriend. She's got two kids, man, and she's a
police officer. Will she really do something like that? I
don't know. Cincinnelli's father says his daughter is the real
victim of the man who turned against her. There's no
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doubt that he manipulated multiple conversations to come up with
his statements. He's very smart, but he's a pathological liar
and there's something wrong with his brain, investigators say. Cincinneli
was also reported discussing what her alibi would be, saying
she would be sure to be home at the time
of the murders. She's being held without bail. Prosecutors argued
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she is a danger to the community. Whoa we are
talking about an NYPD officer's Jennifer Lopez look alike who
allegedly hires a hitman not only to murder her ex
her husband seeking a divorce, but also to murder her
boyfriend's teen daughter who doesn't like her. Straight out to
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Sharyl mccollins, director of the Cold Case Research Institute. Wow,
there's no way around that, not at all. And Nancy,
you know you and I used to discuss all the time.
The best condictor of future behavior is past behavior. Two
men have gotten restrainting orders against this woman. Even if
you listen to her dad. He talks about the current boyfriend.
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He says it's alive. But he said the current boyfriend
said she pulled a gun only and threatened to kill him.
This isn't new behavior for her, this violence, you know,
plotting and scheming. I don't think if anything new. I
really don't. The jury, you know, they're gonna understand. Oh
you're a man of Nick Cousman, you won't him murdered. Okay,
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that's you know whatever. But you throw in that little girl,
that's a game changer for anybody. That is, as we say,
the fly in the ointment Bobby Chicon if BI special agent.
Have you noticed that when you're in the force, when
you're a prosecutor or a cop or a bell bondsman,
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you're in the business for a long time, you're in
that Meylou, you get used to it. You get numbed
to it. Not numb, I guess numb isn't the right word.
You are conditioned to it. You're you're not shocked anymore.
You accept things more quickly than you did before you
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were in the crime business. And I really think that
some cops go bad because it just doesn't seem that
bad to them anymore because they've been around it so much.
It's like this, the first time I ever had to curse.
I mean every foul word you can think of, the
C word, the P word, the F word, the every
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word you can think of. I was reading a statement
to a jury. I was telling a jury what the
defendant had said, and I had to really work myself
up to say these words out loud in front of
a jury, and they were shocked, and I was shocked.
I could hardly say it. But then the next time
I said it, Bobby Chekong wasn't so hard. Then the
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next time, and before you knew it, I was just
saying it all on my own. I wasn't quoting a
defendant anymore. I had to clean up my app when
I had the twins. Of course, no more of that.
But that's what I'm saying. You're around this, You're around
crime all the time, and somehow out to some people,
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it doesn't seem so bad anymore. Well, I don't know, Nancy.
You know, I take my dad as an example. He
was a detective in the fifties and sixties at the
NYPD in the seventies, and yes, while he did develop
a hardened shell at work when he saw all these
things and he couldn't react to them as much, he
couldn't be emotional about it, but at the same time,
at home with his family, he became more caring and
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more kind and more protective because of the things he
was seeing at work. And so, you know, he drew
that line, and most of us have drawn that line.
With the things we see at work, the things we
see in the street, we don't bring home. This officer
had no line. It seems like the things that she
was experienced at work, she thought we are fine to
bring home and actually do at home. So I think
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that in this case the line she just didn't have
a line. And I think that many of us developed
that line where we've become more caring and more concerned,
more protective at home because of the things we see,
and the more things we see at work. Well, Wendy Patrick, California, prosecutor,
author of red flags. That's the way prosecution worked on me.
I became more vigilant, more protective, more alert, but I
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wasn't as shocked. I was still hurt every time I
would see a violent crime victim, but I wasn't shocked anymore.
After you see it thousands and thousands, literally tens of
thousands of times, you're not shocked anymore. And I'm wondering
if that's what happened to Valorie Cincinneli. It kind of
became okay in her mind. Yeah. You know, Nancy, you
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may not be shocked, but you are still passionate about
what you do. I can hear it in your voice
every time you discuss a segment, So too with all
my fellow guests. The passion is still there, wanting justice
for victims. What we just heard was completely devoid of
any of that. The laughing and in discussing, well, how
is it going to happen, the date that it would
be convenient, Those kinds of things really evinces. I think
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one of your other guests said, almost a callousness that
goes above and beyond simply be coming desensitized because you
work law enforcement for too many years that tape and
that voice, that is what's going to be most persuasive
to a jury. You just can't capture that through a
transcriptor through somebody else describing what she said. It is
that I suppose lack of passion and concern that I
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think is going to be most telling when that's gets
in front of a trial. Take a listen to this. Cincinneli,
a twelve year NYPD department veteran, is currently charged with
conspiracy to commit murdered. A federal criminal complaint details how
she allegedly tried to persuade her boyfriend, he cs in
the complaint, to hire a hitman to kill not just
her estranged husband, but also have that hitman murder her
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boyfriend's teenage daughter for seven thousand dollars cash. I'm not
going to comment on that because I really, you know,
it just seems to me that everything's just a little
bit exaggerated. Right now, I don't know what kind of
evidence they have. Cincinnelli's boyfriend, presumably opposed to having his
own daughter murdered, began cooperating with the FBI. He wore
a wire and recorded his conversations, in which prosecutors say
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Cincinneli discussed how to carry out the murders and alibis.
When it was time for the cover up, Cincinneli was
arrested before anyone was hurt. I really am hawtbroken about it.
That little boy's gonna grow up, really messed up, really
messed up. That's from Pick reporter Jay Drew. We're hearing
the very latest about an NYPD New York Police Department
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officer who allegedly hires a hit manter murder not only
her ex husband, but her boyfriend's daughter as well. Crime
Stories with Nancy Grace. FBI agents took the thirty four
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year old mother of two out of her Oceanside, Long
Island home in their custody Friday afternoon, and agents were
still at the home later in the evening. Neighbors we
spoke with who did not want to go on camera,
all separately described a nasty marriage breakup, arguments in the street,
and hinted at officers Cincinneli's temper. Her next door neighbor
was the only person willing to go on camera, and
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he chose his words carefully. We all have tempers. I
understand that, but did her stand out? I wouldn't say
it stood out, No, she verbalized herself, of course, with
the kids, the stress and everything, But I don't know
if she was. I wouldn't take it as anything excessive.
That's from Picks reporter Jay Drew. We are hearing the
very latest about an NYPD New York Police Department officer
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who allegedly hires a hit manter murder not only her
ex husband, but her boyfriend's daughter as well. Joining me
an all star panels Cheryl mccollin, Director Coalcase Research Institute,
Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on Amazon,
Bobby Chicon, FBI special agent, Karen Stark, psychologist Karen Stark
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dot com, and John Linley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
Let me ask you something to you, John Limley, We're
learning that the boyfriend balked when it came to murdering
his own daughter, but it sounds like she, Valerie Cincinneli
was going forward with the plan anyway. Yeah, that was
she was. What's the phrase, hell bent on getting this
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taken care of? You know, it's sort of ironic. Wait
a minute, what are you saying getting it taken care of?
That sounds like you're going to run down to the
mead first and get a shot. We're going to get
that taken care of. That's sort of the way I
know she may, but not you Limley, for Pete's sake.
Oh oh heavens no, okay, Mary Poppins, John Limley. Getting
it taken care of. It is hardly a way to
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describe having the girl effing run over outside of school.
Bobby Chicone, FBI special Agent. Why did she was she
so intent on having the murders occur outside? Well, and
this is one thing that the jury's going to get
chilled at is the callousness of her talk. She didn't want,
she didn't want her place to get messed up, the
callousness of you're about to murder to your ex husband,
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the father your child, and your only concerns is that
if it happens inside, it might be too messy. So
what we know is Officer Vali Cincinnelli was introduced to
Isaiah Carvalha Junior, her future husband turned murder target, by
Detective Patrick Roach, also of the ny PD. Now what's
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the connection between them, John Linley, They were They were
simply friends, and of course she was a co worker
with the man. Now, It's interesting the way that Isaiah
Carvallo found out about this whole plot to have him
wiped out. You know, this has been going on since February,
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this plotting to have him and the daughter murdered. He
woke up on Friday morning and found out just before
the rest of the world that you know, he thought
his life was about to turn her because he was
about to wrap up what had been a messy divorce
with Vincinelli or Cincinnelli. Instead, he was told that this
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strange wife had been plotting to have him killed all winter.
There had been five months that had gone by since
Caravallo had filed for divorce from his wife after a
messy custody battle over that son. The matter seemed to
be almost settled, and it was, but not the way
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mister Carvallo had hoped for. Well, this is what we know.
According to court document. Cincinnelli tells the boyfriend to tell
the hitman to quote run her his daughter the f
over to make the girl's death look like a hit
and run. So the boyfriend's strings Cincinnelli a long while
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the FBI is gathering information, telling her he was in
contact with a hitman and that everything was moving forward.
So then the boyfriend tells Cincinnelli that the hitman was
stalking her ex husband Carvalho at his workplace on Long Island.
But then Cincinnelli didn't like that. She thought that area
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was too up scale, and she wanted her husband to
be killed quote in the hood so it would not
look suspicious. All right, Cheryl McCollum, what about that. Here's
the greatest part of this whole thing, Nancy, Because every
time I hear a case like this, I have you
in my head when you used to be my prosecutor.
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And here's what I think the prosecution is gonna do.
Every single time the FBI contacted her as the alleged
hit man and they said, hey, you got the money,
you know to call it back? Hey, make sure he
converted to coins callback. How do you want this done?
Oh when the ghetto? You want to run the f
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over every single text message and every single phone call.
She could have stopped it, Nancy. And they're gonna show
that not only Hey, I know you would. I can
hear it. I can literally hear you in my head.
That's exactly what I would do, you know, Because Cheryl
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McCall him, I don't know if you recall, yes, sometimes
I would have up. I would have fifteen or twenty
four foot posters at once, and each poster would be
full of quote evidence proving guilt, every text, every word.
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She uttered the ATM withdraw. Have you guys seen her
on video? I'm looking at her run home. Did she
not call at all? Not only does she not say
I have lost my mind. I've got my own children
that I'm gonna love and raise and take care of,
she says Rutter, the fo man, I mean when you're
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dealing with Okay, A lot of women on the jury
would say, yeah, I think the evidence is weak when
it comes to killing the ex husband. They might give
her a little free beyond that one. But on the
teen daughter, she's going down. On that, she is going down.
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And Bobby chic on FBI specialize it. When the Feds
get you, they've got you every which way. And I
know that from being a FED we couldn't proceed on
a single case unless we had forty fifty boxes of evidence.
And I'm not kidding or exaggerating, Bobby, they've got her, no,
not at all. In fact that most of the time
I was always ready to proceed with a case long
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before my assistant United States Attorney was ready to go.
They've always wanted and in this kind of case, you
can almost anticipate the defense. So what they did was
they went painstakingly at her because they knew what the
defense was going to be. They knew what they were
going to argue, and so they wanted to counter that beforehand.
They wanted to get the evidence to counter the anticipated defenses.
And really, in the case like this, the best evidence
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you have is hearing from the defendant themselves, because they're
not going to take the stand. I think that the
best thing that's going to happen is the jury is
going to hear on her own words. The prosecutor at
the initial hearing said they have an overwhelming amount of evidence,
and I think they did that, you know, purposely, because
they know that these cases sometimes can be difficult. She's
a mother, you know, she's got young children her home,
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and so they went out and got an abundance of
evidence against her. And the jury is going to hear
that and see her and hear her own words and
see her behavior firsthand, right, And I think that's going
to be damning in this case. You know what Karen Stark, psychologist,
joining me today from Manhattan. You can find her at
Karen Stark dot com. Karen, I can't put my finger
on this, and I bet you're going to have just
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the right description. What is really getting made distraught about
this is the way she describes everything. Like she's worried
about her home getting messy if you kill them there.
She is worried about the schedule interfering with her schedule.
She's worried the two deaths close together might raise suspicions,
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so she tells the boyfriend to have the hitman kill
his daughter over the weekend, then wait a week or
a month, and then kill her husband. I mean, she's
so casual about it. This is human life, the life
of a teen girl, a little girl. This little girl's
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just four years older than Lucy and John David, and
she wants to have her run down in the street
and leave her dine on the side of the road.
And she's fine with that. She's more worried about getting
blood spatter on her sofa or on her carpet in
her place. That is just pushing me over the edge,
because Nancy, it's just what's so confusing about it, there's
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a disconnect. Shouldn't be outside, no one should be inside,
And she's kind of flirtatious and behind it all, she
is plotting to murder two people, one a little bit
older than your own children and an ex husband. How
do you put those two things together? We wait as
justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,
Crime stories with Nancy Grace decorated NYPD officers behind bars
accused in a shocking murder for higher plot in a
criminal complaint, Authorities say thirty four year old Valerie Cincinneli
allegedly asked her boyfriend to hire a hitman with the
intention of murdering her estranged husband. But it doesn't end there. Cincinneli,
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a twelve year veteran on the force, allegedly wanted to
have her boyfriend's daughter killed by a hitman as well.
Cincinnelli's father, it's now speaking out in defense of his daughter.
I guarantee you my daughter is innocent of this, saying
there's more to this story. This guy that she's involved
is a wacko psycho. This is the second time he's
had her arrested. Cincinneli's boyfriend allegedly told her he knew
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a hitman who would do the job for seven thousand
dollars converted into gold coins. Authorities say the murders were
supposed to have happened last weekend, but as part of
an FBI ruse, detectives went to her house to say
her husband had been murdered. She was arrested after allegedly
contacting her boyfriend to talk about an alibi, not knowing
that he was cooperating with investigators the entire time. Her
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neighbors in utter shock didn't see that one calling for
sell at ABC's GMA reporter Maggie Ruly, is it true
did a cop arrange to have her ex husband murdered
as part of a hit, and not only that, to
have her boyfriend's daughter rubbed out as well? I mean,
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it's he Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for
being with us. You know, Cheryl McCollum, longtime colleague and friend,
director the Coal Case Research Institute. You know, I don't
know why I don't just stop saying this, But every
time I say I think I've seen it all, then
you know, I see something else, and then I say
it again, I think I've seen it all. You know,
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we were in the trenches together, fighting crime, looking for fendance,
looking for evidence. Do you through the dirt for bullet
for shell casings, the works? You know you think Cheryl
an in a cop, a veteran cop, would know better. Yep?
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Did you actually just say yep? That's your answer? Not
only does she want to kill her ex husband and
ladies hear me when I say there is a reason
he's an X. Okay, can't you just leave it at that?
He's your ex? Go be happy, run like young gazelle,
get away from him. Why getting mired down and having
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a hit put on him? That's for our shrink, Karen
start but Cheryl, Okay, I'm expecting a little more than
yep from you. No, I would get into it if
oh now I get no, Now I get no. Okay.
I guess that's an improvement that overwhelming because you're talking
about such an iconic police department first of all, I mean,
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the world looks to NYPD for training, and then you've
got not only a veteran, but a decorated veteran who
foiled a bank robbery on her own. I mean, it
is baffling to me that she thought this very elementary
plan was going to work. That you go to the
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person that is your boyfriend, that you've had a volatile
relationship with, that you don't really trust because he's had
you arrested, but that's who you go to to find
a hit man. I mean, this wouldn't even be a
good made for TV movie. I don't know. I think
i'd like to see this a made for TV movie.
But first, can we just get through the trial and
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again before a defense attorneys get all tuned up. Second verse,
same as the first. Yeah, she's innocent until proven guilty.
Maybe I should just start the program with that. Of course,
she's innocent until she's proven guilty. But what you said
about the NYPD, you're right because we have lived in
New York from many many years since I moved to
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New York Stars show Johnny Cochrane, God rest his soul,
and the NYPD is great. They're tough when they need
to be when. Okay, I know this is just a
tiny snapshot, but whenever the twins walk up to an NYPD,
they couldn't be nicer. I've seen him be harsh, but
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you know what, they needed to be harsh at that
moment when they did it. And yes, every police force
has bad apples and they make everybody else look bad.
But I think you're right. I think they are iconic overall.
Cheryl mcollum, Okay, let's get some facts before I get
Cheryl mccollumb all strung out on what we think happened
joining me right now. Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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John Lemley. Okay Lemley, start at the beginning. First of all,
why would you stay with the guy. It's already had
you arrested once I take the patent turner pat in
the street at turn a corner. Oh yeah, i'd away
gone from him, but she stayed. Now she's in the
pokey deservedly, John Limley, what do I need to ask? Well,
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that has been an on again, off again, on again,
off again relationship for quite some time. I think you
should say it one more time. Just okay, good, I
got I got on again, off again, Jackie. Did you
get okay? Good? Go ahead, John Limley. You know, as
we're sort of setting the scene for this woman. This
decorated police officer. Cheryl McCullum mentioned a story actually that
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went viral about this police officer. In twenty seventeen, one
of Cincinnelli's arrests really made headlines when she caught a
man who literally red handed. This time, a man went
to a Howard Beach bank and demanded cash. He left
with a bag filled with thirteen hundred dollars and I
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mean yes the diepack, yes a dollar. I'm so happy.
I could not be happier when the bomb exploded, the
man drop the money ran for it. Officers Cincinnati happened
to be in the Howard Beach area at the time.
Wait a minute, that was Valerie Cincinnati allegedly ordered a
hit man. Yes, totally, Moley, I didn't realize that. Okay,
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hold on Bobby Chicone joining me, FBI Special Agent Bobby Chicone.
I mean, bank robberies are hard, are hard to break,
okay because usually they're usually they're very well thought out.
You go into a bank, you got a plan, you
know it's armed, you know there's also it's just surveillance.
I've prosecuted a bank robbery before. Usually the FEDS take
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it away because it's FDIC insured. But I managed to
have a bank robbery. Sheryl, I don't know if you
remember that one. That's what the dyslexic bank robber. Don't
touch the al ram. This is the robie translation. Don't
touch the alarm. This is a robbery. Needless to say,
we did a yeah, we did a handwriting comparison and
he refers all of his letters in the handwriting comparison
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that helped Bobby chi Khan. This woman stopped a bank robber.
Die pack no die pack and now this that really
doesn't make sense, and she's that good and did something
this bad allegedly. Well, you know, first of all, echo
your sentiments about the NYPD. My brother and father were
both retired NYPD detectives. However, you know this particular officer
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while she and then you had to go mess it
up and go with the fans encouragement of my father. Um,
but she, you know, this particular officer also had some
uh bad behavior in her police record. Also, she had
previously been suspended, um, and her gun taken away and
put on modified duty because wait, wait, wait, wait for
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what for what what did she did get suspended? She
was she was a previous boyfriend of all things. Um
reported that she was spending time at his house while
she was on duty, and so, um, she's disciplinement it
is with this woman's boyfriend's you know. Wendy Patrick, California
prosecutor and author of Red Flags on Amazon, Bobby Chicoon,
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hold on just a moment, John Limley, just hold that thought.
We women have got to get together on this. Cheryl McCullum,
Wendy Patrick, Karen Start. Another boyfriend reports her for being
at his house while she's on duty. She probably just
swing by for a Haven't Cheese sandwich. What's wrong with that?
Wendy Patrick? Yeah, you know, Nancy, it's really a great
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point you bring up. Are we to be only judged
by the company we keep? And if so, why are
we so bad at choosing our personal relationships when apparently
we're also good at our jobs professionally. This lady seems
to be one more example of that. You're right there.
There does seem to be a pattern to the problems
that she's having in her life. This will no doubt
make her sympathetic. I know everybody hates to say that,
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because what she did was awful, but that'll be something
a defense attorney will probably pick up on. This is
something the father's already stating that it's the sun, it's
it's the it's the boyfriend, it's you know, it's somebody
else's fault that god are involved in this. But you
are right, it is it is curious that there is
this steady string of let's just say, problematic relationship. Well
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wait a minute, you have a very good point there,
and a good defense attorney is gonna latch right on. Listen,
I'm not saying the woman's innocent. Okay, because when you
get a hitman case, they've got you every which way
but loose. They've got John tape, they've got John video here,
they stung or with fake murder photos. But you know
there's a very good point. A defense attorney is gonna
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latch on too. Take a listen to CBS Valerie Castro
outside Cincinnelli's dad's house. Listen this guy, because she's involved.
There's a wacko psycho. NYPD officer Valerie Cincinnelli, once praised
for her role in stopping a queen's bank robbery, now
arrested and accused of hatching a plot to hire a hitman.
Neighbors were stunned after FBI agents were seen carrying boxes
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of evidence out of her home. I really I can't
believe this, going as far as I just maybe, Like
I said before, I don't want to believe it. Her
intended targets an ex husband and the fifteen year old
daughter of her current boyfriend. According to sources, the price
seven thousand dollars. Investigators say the thirty four year old
enlisted the help of her boyfriend, but he went to
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police and became a confidential source. Court documents say in February,
Cincinnelli made a cash withdrawal of seven thousand dollars from
a TV Bank branch in Wanta to pay the hitman.
The confidential source told her the hitman didn't want to
off the child near a school, but Cincinnelli's response, according
to court documents, run her the explet of over how
about that crime stories with Nancy Grace. As for her
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ex husband, she hoped his death could be made to
look like a robbery gone bad. Friday morning, FBI agents
posing as the hitman sent her text messages which included
a photograph of the defendant's estranged husband appearing dead in
his car, and the demand for an additional three thousand
dollars to kill the daughter. Cincinneli then allegedly told her
boyfriend she was deleting the text messages and pictures to
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cover up her involvement in the crime. The allegations are
tough to grasp for the man who lives next door
and has met both Cincinneli's ex husband and her current boyfriend.
She's got two kids, man, and she's a police officer.
Will she really do something like that? I don't know
Cincinnelli's father says his daughter is the real victim of
the man who turned against her. There's no doubt that
he manipulated multiple conversations to come up with his statements.
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He's very smart, but he's a pathological liar and there's
something wrong with his brain, investigators say. Cincinneli was also
reported discussing what her alibi would be, saying she would
be sure to be home at the time of the murders.
She's being held without bail. Prosecutors argued she is a
danger to the community, did a decorated NYPD cop. She
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allegedly tried to hire a hitman to kill her ex husband,
and as if that's not enough, she is now accused
of trying to rub out to murder her boyfriend's daughter,
teen girl. Um bottom line saying, just runner the f over. Wow.
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You know, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coldcase Research Institute,
We've certainly seen our sharecases. But when I hear that
dad speaking, I can just hear my father on the
front steps of the house, tearing everybody a new rear end,
defending me, blaming everybody else, I mean, willing to throw
a punch. I can this just reminds me so much
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of my dad. You know, I think that there is
a grain of truth in what he's saying. Look at it.
This boyfriend is the one who said he could find
a hitman. I'm not defending her because I guarantee you
they've got her on tape, They've got her on video.
They've got a picture of her pulling out the seven grand,
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which is coincidentally the same amount of the hit man
wanted the fake hit man. I mean, yes, but I
think that boyfriend may have been stirring the pots. Cheryl McCollum,
well the biggest and her dad and mister mack is
he had every right your dad to defend you. You
didn't have a stream of exits in your background. They
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all had arrested you, and that you had physically fought
with and you worked written up every five minutes. And
Louis Layton golle, Oh oh oh no, her background is flag.
Got the flag, got the flag. That's the flag. Now
you know what I'm given. I was cutting her some
slight because of the boyfriend, but you know what, it's
her record. Karen Stark Psychologists. You can find her at
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Karen Stark dot com. Joining us today from Manhattan, Karen Stark.
It's her record. Look, you can blame the boyfriends all
you want to, you can blame the ex husband all
you want to. She's the one that took the money
out of the bank to pay the hitman. She's the
one that said runner the f over to the hitman.
I'm sure she's on tape. You know, they got to
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get everything on tape. She was part of it. Part
about a psychopath. Man, go ahead, you're talking about a psychopath.
And when you're talking about somebody like that and murderer,
you cannot persuade another person to commit those kind of crimes.
And I think it's absolutely true that your dad would
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not have been defending you in a situation like that,
but you wouldn't be in a situation like that. You're
talking about somebody who has no feelings. So it doesn't
take a lot to stir somebody up and get them
to decide, you know what my ex is in the way.
I think I'll just kill him. And while I'm at it,
why not kill your daughter? Because you know she's annoying
to me too, And that's people are not real. She
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could care less about what she does you know, Andy Patrick,
Karen Stark is right. I guess I was projecting dealt
with so many women that have gotten tangled up with
bad guys and then they get dragged down the rabbit
hole with them. But it's this woman, it's her, It
is Vali Cincinnelli, because aside from each particular man, if
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you look at her history, she's got the first incident
where she's caught on duty hanging out at some guy's house.
Then she's been arrested for another incident and with a boyfriend.
Now this incident, I mean that's three. That's three. I
mean if I showed up late to court one time,
I'd be in trouble as an assistant district attorney. I
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mean trouble. So at what point do we quit cutting
her a brake and blaming it on a bad guy.
I mean, you can't turn away from the fact that
when you don't know a horse, look at his track record.
She's got three incidents already. Wendy, that's right, So three strikes,
you're out now here we are again, and that you're
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absolutely right. You know, prior bad acts is the legal definition.
It shouldn't really be called that because they're not bad acts.
Sometimes they're criminals, sometimes they are Sometimes say, patterns make
the predator when we're talking about sex offenses. But in
a pattern like this, you just gotta wonder whether or
not at what point is it her own bad choices
that is to blame, rather than being under the influence
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of a bad relationship. And one of the issues in
court is going to be how much of these prior
incidents are admissible in order to explain what she did.
Are they relevant enough? Are they similar enough? Maybe not,
But it also cuts against the really giving her a break,
which is something that the jury might otherwise be tempted
to do. Well, this is what we know. Cincinneli was
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hired two thousand and seven. She was a domestic violence
officer assigned to THEE hundred and six precinct. She became
involved with a local man she met on the job.
She was stripped of her badging gun in twenty seventeen
after she ended the relationship and the guy rated her
out internal affairs, claiming she spent time at as Howard
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Beach home while on duty. What a coinkie dink that
he reported her after she dumped him. So we're not
sure if that's the guy who was described as an
older quote sugar daddy who pay for her car and
other bills. Or is that the same one in this
alleged murder for hire plot. What we do know is
her husband, Isaiah Carvalho Junior, sued her for divorce in
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Nassau County. They had a trial set for June. You know,
the divorced lawyer is happy the whole thing was foiled.
But I want to get back to the facts, John Linley,
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. I want you to
take a listen to CBS Valerie Castro as for her
ex husband, she hoped his death could be made to
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look like a robbery gone bad. Friday morning, FBI agents
posing as the hitman sent her text messages which included
a photograph of the defendant's estranged husband appearing dead in
his car and the demand for an additional three thousand
dollars to kill the daughter. Cincinneli then allegedly told her
boyfriend she was deleting the text messages and pictures to
cover up her involvement in the crime. The allegations are
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tough to grasp for the man who lives next door
and has met both Cincinneli's ex husband and her current boyfriend.
She's got two kids, man, and she's a police officer.
Will she really do something like that? I don't know.
Cincinnelli's father says his daughter is the real victim of
the man who turned against her. There's no doubt that
he manipulated multiple conversations to come up with his statements.
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He's very smart, but he's a pathological liar and there's
something wrong with his brain, investigators say. Cincinneli was also
recorded discussing what her alibi would be, saying she would
be sure to be home at the time of the murders.
She's being held without bail. Prosecutors argued she is a
danger to the community crisis with Nancy Grace. As for
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her ex husband, she hoped his death could be made
to look like a robbery gone bad. Friday morning, FBI
agents posing as the hitman sent her text messages, which
included a photograph of the defendant's estranged husband appearing dead
in his car and the demand for an additional three
thousand dollars to kill the daughter. Cincinneli then allegedly told
her boyfriend she was deleting the text messages and pictures
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to cover up her involvement in the crime. The allegations
are tough to grasp for the man who lives next
door and has met both Cincinneli's ex husband and her
current boyfriend. She's got two kids, man, and she's a
police officer. Will she really do something like that? I
don't know. Cincinnelli's father says his daughter is the real
victim of the man who turned against her. There's no
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doubt that he manipulated multiple conversations to come up with
his statements. He's very smart, but he's a pathological liar
and there's something wrong with his brain, investigators say. Cincinneli
was also reported discussing what her alibi would be, saying
she would be sure to be home at the time
of the murders. She's being held without bail. Prosecutors argued
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she is a danger to the community. Whoa we are
talking about an NYPD officer's Jennifer Lopez look alike who
allegedly hires a hitman not only to murder her ex
her husband seeking a divorce, but also to murder her
boyfriend's teen daughter who doesn't like her. Straight out to
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Sharyl mccollins, director of the Cold Case Research Institute. Wow,
there's no way around that, not at all. And Nancy,
you know you and I used to discuss all the time.
The best condictor of future behavior is past behavior. Two
men have gotten restrainting orders against this woman. Even if
you listen to her dad. He talks about the current boyfriend.
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He says it's alive. But he said the current boyfriend
said she pulled a gun only and threatened to kill him.
This isn't new behavior for her, this violence, you know,
plotting and scheming. I don't think if anything new. I
really don't. The jury, you know, they're gonna understand. Oh
you're a man of Nick Cousman, you won't him murdered. Okay,
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that's you know whatever. But you throw in that little girl,
that's a game changer for anybody. That is, as we say,
the fly in the ointment Bobby Chicon if BI special agent.
Have you noticed that when you're in the force, when
you're a prosecutor or a cop or a bell bondsman,
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you're in the business for a long time, you're in
that Meylou, you get used to it. You get numbed
to it. Not numb, I guess numb isn't the right word.
You are conditioned to it. You're you're not shocked anymore.
You accept things more quickly than you did before you
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were in the crime business. And I really think that
some cops go bad because it just doesn't seem that
bad to them anymore because they've been around it so much.
It's like this, the first time I ever had to curse.
I mean every foul word you can think of, the
C word, the P word, the F word, the every
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word you can think of. I was reading a statement
to a jury. I was telling a jury what the
defendant had said, and I had to really work myself
up to say these words out loud in front of
a jury, and they were shocked, and I was shocked.
I could hardly say it. But then the next time
I said it, Bobby Chekong wasn't so hard. Then the
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next time, and before you knew it, I was just
saying it all on my own. I wasn't quoting a
defendant anymore. I had to clean up my app when
I had the twins. Of course, no more of that.
But that's what I'm saying. You're around this, You're around
crime all the time, and somehow out to some people,
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it doesn't seem so bad anymore. Well, I don't know, Nancy.
You know, I take my dad as an example. He
was a detective in the fifties and sixties at the
NYPD in the seventies, and yes, while he did develop
a hardened shell at work when he saw all these
things and he couldn't react to them as much, he
couldn't be emotional about it, but at the same time,
at home with his family, he became more caring and
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more kind and more protective because of the things he
was seeing at work. And so, you know, he drew
that line, and most of us have drawn that line.
With the things we see at work, the things we
see in the street, we don't bring home. This officer
had no line. It seems like the things that she
was experienced at work, she thought we are fine to
bring home and actually do at home. So I think
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that in this case the line she just didn't have
a line. And I think that many of us developed
that line where we've become more caring and more concerned,
more protective at home because of the things we see,
and the more things we see at work. Well, Wendy Patrick, California, prosecutor,
author of red flags. That's the way prosecution worked on me.
I became more vigilant, more protective, more alert, but I
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wasn't as shocked. I was still hurt every time I
would see a violent crime victim, but I wasn't shocked anymore.
After you see it thousands and thousands, literally tens of
thousands of times, you're not shocked anymore. And I'm wondering
if that's what happened to Valorie Cincinneli. It kind of
became okay in her mind. Yeah. You know, Nancy, you
(24:35):
may not be shocked, but you are still passionate about
what you do. I can hear it in your voice
every time you discuss a segment, So too with all
my fellow guests. The passion is still there, wanting justice
for victims. What we just heard was completely devoid of
any of that. The laughing and in discussing, well, how
is it going to happen, the date that it would
be convenient, Those kinds of things really evinces. I think
(24:55):
one of your other guests said, almost a callousness that
goes above and beyond simply be coming desensitized because you
work law enforcement for too many years that tape and
that voice, that is what's going to be most persuasive
to a jury. You just can't capture that through a
transcriptor through somebody else describing what she said. It is
that I suppose lack of passion and concern that I
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think is going to be most telling when that's gets
in front of a trial. Take a listen to this. Cincinneli,
a twelve year NYPD department veteran, is currently charged with
conspiracy to commit murdered. A federal criminal complaint details how
she allegedly tried to persuade her boyfriend, he cs in
the complaint, to hire a hitman to kill not just
her estranged husband, but also have that hitman murder her
(25:40):
boyfriend's teenage daughter for seven thousand dollars cash. I'm not
going to comment on that because I really, you know,
it just seems to me that everything's just a little
bit exaggerated. Right now, I don't know what kind of
evidence they have. Cincinnelli's boyfriend, presumably opposed to having his
own daughter murdered, began cooperating with the FBI. He wore
a wire and recorded his conversations, in which prosecutors say
(26:03):
Cincinneli discussed how to carry out the murders and alibis.
When it was time for the cover up, Cincinneli was
arrested before anyone was hurt. I really am hawtbroken about it.
That little boy's gonna grow up, really messed up, really
messed up. That's from Pick reporter Jay Drew. We're hearing
the very latest about an NYPD New York Police Department
(26:23):
officer who allegedly hires a hit manter murder not only
her ex husband, but her boyfriend's daughter as well. Crime
Stories with Nancy Grace. FBI agents took the thirty four
(26:46):
year old mother of two out of her Oceanside, Long
Island home in their custody Friday afternoon, and agents were
still at the home later in the evening. Neighbors we
spoke with who did not want to go on camera,
all separately described a nasty marriage breakup, arguments in the street,
and hinted at officers Cincinneli's temper. Her next door neighbor
was the only person willing to go on camera, and
(27:09):
he chose his words carefully. We all have tempers. I
understand that, but did her stand out? I wouldn't say
it stood out, No, she verbalized herself, of course, with
the kids, the stress and everything, But I don't know
if she was. I wouldn't take it as anything excessive.
That's from Picks reporter Jay Drew. We are hearing the
very latest about an NYPD New York Police Department officer
(27:32):
who allegedly hires a hit manter murder not only her
ex husband, but her boyfriend's daughter as well. Joining me
an all star panels Cheryl mccollin, Director Coalcase Research Institute,
Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on Amazon,
Bobby Chicon, FBI special agent, Karen Stark, psychologist Karen Stark
(27:53):
dot com, and John Linley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
Let me ask you something to you, John Limley, We're
learning that the boyfriend balked when it came to murdering
his own daughter, but it sounds like she, Valerie Cincinneli
was going forward with the plan anyway. Yeah, that was
she was. What's the phrase, hell bent on getting this
(28:16):
taken care of? You know, it's sort of ironic. Wait
a minute, what are you saying getting it taken care of?
That sounds like you're going to run down to the
mead first and get a shot. We're going to get
that taken care of. That's sort of the way I
know she may, but not you Limley, for Pete's sake.
Oh oh heavens no, okay, Mary Poppins, John Limley. Getting
it taken care of. It is hardly a way to
(28:38):
describe having the girl effing run over outside of school.
Bobby Chicone, FBI special Agent. Why did she was she
so intent on having the murders occur outside? Well, and
this is one thing that the jury's going to get
chilled at is the callousness of her talk. She didn't want,
she didn't want her place to get messed up, the
callousness of you're about to murder to your ex husband,
(29:00):
the father your child, and your only concerns is that
if it happens inside, it might be too messy. So
what we know is Officer Vali Cincinnelli was introduced to
Isaiah Carvalha Junior, her future husband turned murder target, by
Detective Patrick Roach, also of the ny PD. Now what's
(29:25):
the connection between them, John Linley, They were They were
simply friends, and of course she was a co worker
with the man. Now, It's interesting the way that Isaiah
Carvallo found out about this whole plot to have him
wiped out. You know, this has been going on since February,
(29:46):
this plotting to have him and the daughter murdered. He
woke up on Friday morning and found out just before
the rest of the world that you know, he thought
his life was about to turn her because he was
about to wrap up what had been a messy divorce
with Vincinelli or Cincinnelli. Instead, he was told that this
(30:09):
strange wife had been plotting to have him killed all winter.
There had been five months that had gone by since
Caravallo had filed for divorce from his wife after a
messy custody battle over that son. The matter seemed to
be almost settled, and it was, but not the way
(30:30):
mister Carvallo had hoped for. Well, this is what we know.
According to court document. Cincinnelli tells the boyfriend to tell
the hitman to quote run her his daughter the f
over to make the girl's death look like a hit
and run. So the boyfriend's strings Cincinnelli a long while
(30:53):
the FBI is gathering information, telling her he was in
contact with a hitman and that everything was moving forward.
So then the boyfriend tells Cincinnelli that the hitman was
stalking her ex husband Carvalho at his workplace on Long Island.
But then Cincinnelli didn't like that. She thought that area
(31:14):
was too up scale, and she wanted her husband to
be killed quote in the hood so it would not
look suspicious. All right, Cheryl McCollum, what about that. Here's
the greatest part of this whole thing, Nancy, Because every
time I hear a case like this, I have you
in my head when you used to be my prosecutor.
(31:34):
And here's what I think the prosecution is gonna do.
Every single time the FBI contacted her as the alleged
hit man and they said, hey, you got the money,
you know to call it back? Hey, make sure he
converted to coins callback. How do you want this done?
Oh when the ghetto? You want to run the f
(31:55):
over every single text message and every single phone call.
She could have stopped it, Nancy. And they're gonna show
that not only Hey, I know you would. I can
hear it. I can literally hear you in my head.
That's exactly what I would do, you know, Because Cheryl
(32:16):
McCall him, I don't know if you recall, yes, sometimes
I would have up. I would have fifteen or twenty
four foot posters at once, and each poster would be
full of quote evidence proving guilt, every text, every word.
(32:38):
She uttered the ATM withdraw. Have you guys seen her
on video? I'm looking at her run home. Did she
not call at all? Not only does she not say
I have lost my mind. I've got my own children
that I'm gonna love and raise and take care of,
she says Rutter, the fo man, I mean when you're
(33:00):
dealing with Okay, A lot of women on the jury
would say, yeah, I think the evidence is weak when
it comes to killing the ex husband. They might give
her a little free beyond that one. But on the
teen daughter, she's going down. On that, she is going down.
(33:20):
And Bobby chic on FBI specialize it. When the Feds
get you, they've got you every which way. And I
know that from being a FED we couldn't proceed on
a single case unless we had forty fifty boxes of evidence.
And I'm not kidding or exaggerating, Bobby, they've got her, no,
not at all. In fact that most of the time
I was always ready to proceed with a case long
(33:41):
before my assistant United States Attorney was ready to go.
They've always wanted and in this kind of case, you
can almost anticipate the defense. So what they did was
they went painstakingly at her because they knew what the
defense was going to be. They knew what they were
going to argue, and so they wanted to counter that beforehand.
They wanted to get the evidence to counter the anticipated defenses.
And really, in the case like this, the best evidence
(34:04):
you have is hearing from the defendant themselves, because they're
not going to take the stand. I think that the
best thing that's going to happen is the jury is
going to hear on her own words. The prosecutor at
the initial hearing said they have an overwhelming amount of evidence,
and I think they did that, you know, purposely, because
they know that these cases sometimes can be difficult. She's
a mother, you know, she's got young children her home,
(34:27):
and so they went out and got an abundance of
evidence against her. And the jury is going to hear
that and see her and hear her own words and
see her behavior firsthand, right, And I think that's going
to be damning in this case. You know what Karen Stark, psychologist,
joining me today from Manhattan. You can find her at
Karen Stark dot com. Karen, I can't put my finger
on this, and I bet you're going to have just
(34:48):
the right description. What is really getting made distraught about
this is the way she describes everything. Like she's worried
about her home getting messy if you kill them there.
She is worried about the schedule interfering with her schedule.
She's worried the two deaths close together might raise suspicions,
(35:11):
so she tells the boyfriend to have the hitman kill
his daughter over the weekend, then wait a week or
a month, and then kill her husband. I mean, she's
so casual about it. This is human life, the life
of a teen girl, a little girl. This little girl's
(35:32):
just four years older than Lucy and John David, and
she wants to have her run down in the street
and leave her dine on the side of the road.
And she's fine with that. She's more worried about getting
blood spatter on her sofa or on her carpet in
her place. That is just pushing me over the edge,
because Nancy, it's just what's so confusing about it, there's
(35:57):
a disconnect. Shouldn't be outside, no one should be inside,
And she's kind of flirtatious and behind it all, she
is plotting to murder two people, one a little bit
older than your own children and an ex husband. How
do you put those two things together? We wait as
justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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