July 17, 2024 • 40 mins
Ronald Cummings leaves his two children in the care of his live-in girlfriend while he works into the early morning hours.
Arriving home just after 3 AM, Misty Croslin tells him she awoke to use the restroom and can't find Haleigh, 5, anywhere in the house. Croslin points to a backdoor propped open with a brick and tells Ronald the back door was shut and locked when they went to bed.
Ronald Cummings tells Misty Croslin to call 911. She tells 911 dispatch when she awoke around 3 am to go to the bathroom, she realizes Haleigh is gone and the back door of the trailer is open, and a brick is placed to keep the door propped open. Haleigh is described as a curly headed girl between 40 and 60 pounds wearing pajamas. The dispatcher instructs Misty Croslin and Ronald Cummings not to touch the back door anymore, as K9s are on the way to see if they can pick up Haleigh's scent.
Investigators begin interviewing Misty Croslin as a search team begins looking around the trailer and surrounding areas, including a nearby pond. Ronald Cummings is at work when Haleigh disappears, and he is quickly eliminated as a suspect, but his live-in girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin, claims she is sleeping in the same room with Haleigh and her little brother when the girl disappears.
Investigators believe Misty Croslin is not giving them the full story.
JOINING NANCY GRACE TODAY:
- John Merchant - Forner Lead Detective in Haleigh Cummings Case
- Ron Cummings - Father
- Terry Shoemaker - Lawyer for Ron Cummings
- Robert Hardwick - St. Johns County Sheriff, Former Assistant Chief Investigator for State Attorney Office that investigated Haleigh Cummings case
- Dr. Shari Schwartz – Forensic Psychologist (Specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Author: “Criminal Behavior” and “Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology;” X: @TrialDoc”
- Dave Mack - Reporter, Crime Online
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a five year old little
girl seemingly vanishes into thin air from her own home,
But tonight the ex stepmother changing her story, claiming, I
saw what happened the night Haley just five disappears. Well
(00:25):
that's news to a lot of people. Good evening, I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We'll just look over her that story openly.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Can't find what I okay, what's your aggress Greenlane?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Good?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
What's the numerical one?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You're cool little the number green Lane? Okay? When did
you last see her?
Speaker 6 (00:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
You know it was tetical. She's keeping queen.
Speaker 7 (01:02):
Okay, how old is your daughter you saw?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I don't remember hearing anything in the whole nine one
one call the States.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I saw what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I saw what happened to five year old Elly Cummings.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I didn't hear anything about it right there. In fact,
I hear just the opposite. But you know what, let's
listen to a little more.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Maybe the ex stepmother, a misty, will explain herself.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
Okay, well was she last you worry?
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Ma'am?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
You were saveing?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Okay, all right. You said your back door was wide
open almost all I said, okay, the listen to me,
your back door was wide open? What are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
A bricky?
Speaker 8 (01:56):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
What is the brick?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What is the brick? The brick is where the back
door was propped open. As I recall, it was more
like a cement block. But again, we are listening to
the ex step mom, and that's straight in my head,
the ex step mom of.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Five year old little Haley. You're hearing Misty Cross and
he makes a nine one one call.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And also if I could hear that particular segment of
the nine to one one call again, because I hear
a male voice who I believe to be Ronald Cummings,
Haley's bio dad, yelling who grabs a little girl.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
In the middle of the night. He ain't buying it either.
I'm with you, Cummings.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Okay, let's hear that one more time and listen out
for Ronald Commings.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
This is Heley's father.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Okay, well we'll.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
See what lasting worry, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
We're using.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Okay, all right, you said your back door with wide open.
Speaker 9 (03:06):
Almost was all I.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Said, Okay, the door. Listen to me, your back door
was wide open. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
A bricky?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
What?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
What is the brick?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
The nine one one dispatch also has a problem with
the X step mother Misty Cross and story. Okay, I
know people get really upset when they're on nine one
one they're trying to report something. Joining me in All
Star Panel, but first I want to go to a
special guest joining us, the lead detective in the Hailly
(03:41):
Cummings disappearance, John Marshall, and let me tell you something.
He has put blood, sweat and tears into trying to
find five year old Haley Cummings.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
John, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Do you hear the seeming confusion and the X step
mom Misty Austin's voice, She's like, uh what First she's
explaining they were asleep and she jumps to the back
door being propped open with a brick, and the nine
one one dispatched going what what do you hear?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
The nine one one call? Does that not cause you concern?
John Merchant?
Speaker 10 (04:21):
Yeah, Like I said, from the very beginning, from the
inception of her number one call, her inconsistencies remain. She
told story after story after story, and you hear it
from the number one call on until later on in
the cage till she comes up because she witnesses what happened.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
It's amazing to me and John Merchant. I hear everything
going on the background. I want to thank you for
being with us while you're on duty. Guys, let's listen
to more of the nine to one one call.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
What do we learn? A real quick huh?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
And there was a brick laying there sting. We gotta
come and came, We gotn't comment.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
What's the color of your house, ma'am? Blue? Okay?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Now joining me in addition to John Merchant and an
all star panel, Rob Hardwick is with us, the Saint
John's County sheriff, former assistant chief investigator for the State's
Attorney's office. He, along with John Merchant, investigated this case.
You know what, there's no way we can let go
(05:36):
of this case because justice has not been obtained. And
I know Rob, you and John Merchant feel the same.
When I hear Misty Crosslin and her story, her concocted
story and the near hyperventilation in her I'll tell.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
You why she's worried. She's not worried about Haley. Oh, ah,
she double.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Lno, she's worried because Ronald Cummings just got home from
the night shift and he's like, what the f who
comes in and steals a.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Baby out of the house in the middle of the
night and you.
Speaker 9 (06:18):
Slept through it?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
And he's right, it's bs. I mean, you had to
do a backflip when you heard this story for the
first time. Hardwick sure, and Nancy.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
In the time that she opened her mouth, of course,
on February tenth, at three am in the morning time,
and she has lied every single time that she's open
mouthed since then. And with that being said, we have
done so many resources in this case since two thousand
and nine because of her inconsistencies, her lies, her cover ups,
when we could have maybe got Haley back in the
early hours and recovered her if she would have been truthful.
Speaker 9 (06:51):
But she has let us down.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
Every single wrong path, lying, bringing us to sites where
bodies have been done for research. Divers were in the
water in these creeks at Shell Harbor Marina found gators,
alligator's teeth and fingernails and tonnails in there looking for Haley.
But again, she's since the time she opened her mouth Nancy.
She's been a repetitive and a compelling liar, and she
does it to this day while she's serving a prison sentence.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I have gone over that area, that very area with
a fine tooth comb. I have looked through every location
that has ever been mentioned, and you're right joining me. Also,
in addition to Rob Hardwick, Saint John's County Sheriff John Merchant,
(07:38):
former lead detective in this case, is a very special
guest as well, Terry Shoemaker.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
He is the lawyer for Ronald Cummings. That's Haley's bio.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Dad this out and I verified this myself out working.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
At night. I just morn his family literally punching a clock.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Have you ever had to do that? Because I had
at Sears and Roebuck. You punched a clock to show
exactly when you go in.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
And when you leave.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I hear Ronald in the background raising teetotal hell, how
in the world could somebody come into the house.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
And steal my daughter on your watch? And that's why
Misty Crawlson was so hyped up.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Absolutely, I mean we all know that Ronald was at
work that night. He was never a suspect because you
know his whereabouts were always verified. He gets home and
all of a sudden he finds out his daughter's missing,
and you know, and Misty is starting with the lies
right from the get go, So of course he was upset.
Of course he was very aggressive, and of course he
(08:52):
was very concerned. But you know, Misty never once and
all the times I met with her, and all the
times that my talked or she never once gave any
indication of what had happened that night.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The story is changing about what happened to five year
old Haley Cummings. And I know that Ronald Cummings, the
bio dad, has had a lot of ups and downs.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
But as I've told many.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
A jury, what do you want on the witness stands
a nun, a priest, a virgin Because I don't have that.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I don't have that to put on.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But what I do have is a bio dad who
comes home from work and I can verify you as
at work, and he can smell a crop full of
bs a mile away. So what more do we learn
from the nine to one call? This is important because
you are hearing the stepmom giving her first rendition of
(09:53):
the facts.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Listen, Okay, what's your back door?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Locked.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
You know, yes, but I thought always sa.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Okay, let me speak.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I just got over work before real daughter is gone.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm wanted to be here.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
All tell me versus Hanley, we got too often.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
By fine, whoever has my daughter before, y'all do I'm
killing him.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
I don't do it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm gonna resk my life in prison. I'm telling you
can put it on record, and.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I don't do Okay, it's okay, sir.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
We got him on the way.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I know Ronald Cummings. I have spoken to him in person.
I have talked to him many many times, and you
hear him. I believe he's completely innocent in his daughter's disappearance.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Uh, let me go to you, Rob Hardwick, Saint John's
County Share a former investigator on this case, Rob Hardwick.
But you learn who's telling the truth. Now, you can
be tricked, that's for sure. Sure, But you kind of
turn into a human lie detector. And I don't care
what anybody says about Ronald Cummings. He was telling the
(11:13):
truth about his daughter's disappearance. I believe him completely. Do
you hear his voice when he walks in on that
crap show orchestrated by the stepmom, Misty Crosslin.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
Sure, Nancy, that goes back to when he actually went
to work, of course, on the ninth or February to
PDM Bridge. It starts there, so that initial nine one
one call comes in again. Misty already has the plan
in place, she already knows what's going on, and Ronald
walks in to a mess. Basically, his five year old
daughter is missing, his three year old son is still there.
And then you got Misty who again the time she
(11:46):
pick up the phone at three am or three seventeen
in the morning time, she immediately starts lying and he
comes into that storm.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
You're absolutely right, Nancy.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
What about a John Merchant? You investigated this case and
it's still haunting you.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
Yeah, and all the conversation have with Ronald, I would
describe Ronald as a non perfect person. He lived a
life that was probably something we would approve of, But
he's absolutely innocent when it comes to what happened to
his daughter. He was at work, just like you described it.
He was at work doing what was right, making a
living for his family, and that's exactly where he was
(12:20):
at at the time he comes home to a girl
who has began a fabrication of a of a of
a long story. And that's what he walked into. And
you can hear the anger in his voice, and any
any conversation I ever have with Ronald, his anger never
went away. Even when he married her, he still always
(12:40):
had in the back of his head something's not like
when ultimately he divorced.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But because of that, yeah, I couldn't believe it when
he actually married her, John. But I want to be
clear about something that you just said. You said he
has led a life that we wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
All approve of. I want to be clear. I am
not the church lady.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't care who sleeps with who, if you gamble,
if you drink, I don't care.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
That's on you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What I do care about is anything that's got crime
scene tape around it, specifically a missing child who I
believe is dead. I think she's dead, and I think
she's been dead a long time. And let me go
back to you. Everybody jump in again. We ain't having
a high tea at Windsor Castle to Rob Hardwick. Did
(13:34):
you know she was lying at the time?
Speaker 9 (13:38):
You know, we have to take the facts.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Of course, that we get at the time of the
nine one one call, and Nancy, as you know this
very well in your entire team, you got to take
what's given to you in the very beginning.
Speaker 9 (13:46):
That's what we had to go by. Was again the
time is ticket. We got a five year.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
Old baby basically missing out of a trailer in Putnam County,
and I think you all know this from the map
there too. You have seven Sisters Islands, which is connects
to the Saint John's River through Trout Creek just a
few maybe even one hundred yards away. So time is
ticking to find this child. So you have to take
what you initially have. Triage that beggars can't be choosers.
(14:12):
You know this very well, and you've got to work
with it. And then of course you have a dad
in a panic boat coming home knowing damn well that
his daughter is gone from that house and not in
that house, and the last one to see her in
that home.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
With Christy Croslin, there.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Is no doubt in my mind that Misty Cross on
the X stepmother was lying about the disappearance of five
year old Heley with me an all Star panel. But
now to investigative reporter with Crime Online dot Com Dave
Mack joining us. Dave, I focused a lot so far
on the niem on one call, and I'm going to
(14:45):
go back to the nine on one call because when
a defendant, a suspect or person of interest is actually
the one that calls nine one one, Davis, you've known
from covering so many criminal cases, that may be the
closest you ever get to a suspect's statement, because once
they're ever arrested, they lawyer up, or what they think
(15:08):
they're gonna get arrested, they lawyer up and they don't
say anything, and that's perfectly okay, that's their right under
the constitution. But the closest we may ever get to
what Misty Crossland was saying.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
About what happened is this nine to one one call.
I'm gonna circle back to it, Dave mac.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
But first, could you explain to people unfamiliar with Haley
Cummings's disappearance what happened that not in Satsuma.
Speaker 11 (15:36):
Haley, just like any other five year old, was put
to bed around eight to fifteen that night by her
babysitter slash girlfriend slash stepmom, Misty Crossland.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
At about three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 11 (15:48):
Misty Crossling says she got up to get a drink
of water from the bathroom and as she was coming
back to bed, she saw Ronald Jor but did not
see Haley. Haley Cummings was not in the bed where
she had been. Now, as she's doing that, Ronald Cummings
comes home from work. I mean he's walking in home
from work at the moment Misty Crossland begins to say
(16:11):
Hayley's missing. So that's where the nine one one call starts.
And by the way, Ronald Cummings had to tell her
call nine to one one and happen at three seventeen am.
I know you're gonna round up back to this, but
you know what you can. Hear Ronald Cummings like any
other father in the background on that nine to one
one call.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
He's just letting it go and you know what, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (16:31):
At one point, Ronald Commings grabs the phone and says,
y'all are taken too long and hangs up on nine
to one one.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
He was that frustrated and he didn't believe Missy. Who
does this? Who takes a kid at three in the morning?
Come on?
Speaker 11 (16:42):
And yet he had to roll with what her story is.
And now you said she fixed her story right then,
So any change.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
She makes is a lie. Anything other than what she
says on that nine to one one call is a lie.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I mean, Terry Shoemaker, you tried a lot of cases, guys.
He is the lawyer representing the biodad Ronald Cummings, and
not necessarily in this case, because he has spoken with
me freely about that night. He's gone on air with
me in the search for Haley, and he has not
asserted any Fifth Amendment right to remain silent in the search.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
For his daughter.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
He's gone over and over the story with me, and Terry,
I wanted to go to you on a point of law, well,
really a point of evidence. When a defendant or any
witness makes a statement great then later if they add
to the statement, they embellish the statement great er, all right,
(17:43):
because maybe they weren't out asked the right questions the
first time, and upon correct questioning or more in depth questioning,
they may reveal more of the facts and it may
jog their memory about certain details they did not mention
the first. But when they begin changing the story, there's
(18:06):
the problem. What about it, Terry Shemaker.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, you know, they always say the truth is a
straight line, you know, and it never changes that once
they give that first story or the first statement, if
it's the truth, it's always going to stay the same.
It's going to remain constant. As soon as they start
changing what happened, where it happened, when it happened, how
it happened, you can start asking questions as to did
it really happen that way or are they trying to
lie and cover stuff up? So absolutely, the truth never changes.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What we understand from Missing Haley's ex stepmother, the story
is changing. I've tried to get her to speak to me.
She hates my guts, and that's to put it mildly,
and don't worry, Cralsland. The feeling is mutual. But the
(18:53):
closest I'll ever get to hearing your statement is this.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Listen, So, okay, sir, let me talk to your wife.
So let me get an Okay, can I talk to Ron?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Okay, ma'am, yeah, okay, listen to I mean, answer her question.
Does the door look like it was cried open? Does
it look like it did it look like you had
the sort of someone trying to enter into your house.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Okay, that right right there. She's already taking a lie
and we're still talking to nine one one the night.
He only goes missing.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
First she said there was a brick of sorts holding
the door open. Now she's saying that it looked like
somebody pride the door opened. And I don't know if
you can tell what Ronald Cummings is saying in the background.
It's hard to understand him, but he says to Misty
(19:58):
cross On the stepmom, how the did you let my
daughter get stole? Yeah, that's real. Let's listen to that
one more time.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So, okay, sir, let me talk to your what so
let me get a mess?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Can I talk to rot okay, ma'am? Yeah, okay, listen
to I mean, answer some questions. Does the door look
like it was cried open? Does it look like it
did it look like you had the sort of someone
trying to enter at your house?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
Haley Cummings vanishes in the middle of the night, and
her father, Ronald comings, tells living girlfriend Misty Crossland to
call nine to one one right away. Crosslin makes the
call at three seventeen to report Haley missing, and while
she's on the phone, Ronald Cummings gets agitated that is
taking police too long to get to their house and
hangs up the phone on nine to one one. Nine
one one calls back and the dispatcher tries to get
Misty Crosslin back on the phone to get more information.
(21:13):
Cummings has heard on the recording saying he doesn't care
if he goes to prison for the rest of his life.
He will kill whoever has taken his daughter, and.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Very wisely, those in charge of the investigation immediately call
in the cane ies. Those guys are with me right now,
but first listen to Nicole Parton from Crime Online.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Misty Croslin tells nine to one to one dispatch she
is asleep with Haley and Ronald Junior when she awoke
around three am to go to the bathroom. She realizes
Haley is gone and the back door of the trailer
is open and a brick is placed to keep the
door propped open. Haley is described as a curly headed
girl between forty and sixty pounds wearing pajamas. The dispatcher
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instructs Misty Kroslin and Ronald Cummings not to touch the
back door anymore as canines are on the way to
see if they can pick up Haley's scent.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
To Rob Hardway, Saint John's County Sheriff and the former
assistant chief investigator for the State Attorney's office that investigated
this case at the time Haley first went missing, bringing
in the dogs first thing was a great move. Very
often we see a long delay before the canines were
brought in. What happened the night the cane eyes were
(22:28):
brought in on what if anything did they hit?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (22:32):
So Nancy actually, when the bloodhounds were actually brought in,
we actually asked for mutual aid out of Tomoka cresh Institution.
Tomoka creuesh Institution is a prison just to the cellar
of where the actual disappearance occurred in the next county.
Those were some of the best bloodhounds in the state,
if not the United States.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
These Bloodhouns came in.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
We actually had canines from surrounding agencies to include the
Putnam County Sheriff's office and I G when I say
k nines mostly bloodhounds. When the dogs actually exited the
trailer onto Green Lane. Some when of course westbound per
se which is down to Saint John's River or Crowd Creek,
and some went eastbound, and the trail actually ended near
a row of mailboxes or a stack of mailboxes for
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the trailer park or that immediate area. So we had
some positive alerts in different directions.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Positive alerts in different directions. John Merchant, formerly detective in
this case, I'm trying to figure out what that means.
Where the dogs were hitting. Could that have been where
Haley had been playing in the neighborhood or do you
believe it was her path that night, the night she disappeared.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
Personally at this point, I believe this. I believe what
the dogs did is probably her last track. Everything indicates
towards the water, and that's what we have to go on.
There was some other positive alerts on the front shide
of the mobile home toward the mailboxes. That could have
been something that happened earlier in the day, eight earlier
in the week. I can't really say for sure, but
(24:03):
I know the more consistent effect from the canines. It's
different canines that were used, all went toward.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
To take them.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
And by g you Rob Hardwick joining us, what do
you make of it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
What does it mean, was that where she was just
before she was kidnapped or just before she was killed
right there?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Or was that where she had been playing in the neighborhood.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Well, you know, you look at the map, of course
of Green Lane, and just like Merchant said, green Lane
actually dead ends into Trout Creek of course, Saint John's
River on one end, and then the other end actually,
which is all dirt roads, ends on Buffalo Road, Buffalo
Bluff Road. So again, those canines which we rely on
so heaving, these are canines that actually were bloodhounds that
do this where they track human scent. And we don't
(24:44):
get this in a lot, Nancy, where we actually have
fresh clothing, fresh scent. Well, of course, when Haley went
missing from this trailer on Green Lane, we had dirty clothes,
we had her scent, the immediate scent.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
But this is a problem though, and we talked about
this earlier. Is let's back up to eight point fifteen.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
Is misty the truth that she put the baby to
bed at eight fifteen, that she went to bed at
ten o'clock. And then the other question too, Nancy, is
we'll go back and given the track to the canines
she says, this rear door is propped open near the
laundry room, but she doesn't exit the rear door and
look when the child is missing out the door. So
we give this information to our bloodhounds and we go
in the best information. But these bloodhounds tracked in two
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different directions, which exactly like mister Merchant said. It could
be earlier tracks where she had been playing or actually
when she was still alive.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Joining me is a renowned forensic psychologist who specializes in
capital mitigation and victim advocacy.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
You can find her at panthermitigation dot com.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Doctor Sherry, you have closely listened to
the nine to one one calls where the ex stepmother
Misty Craslin, is giving her version of what happened when
Haley disappears on her watch, claims that Heley had been
sleeping with her and then she wakes up in boom.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Haley's gone.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
First says that the door would be imprompted open with
a brick, and then says it looks like somebody pride
it open. I mean, in the space of three minutes,
has already contradicted herself.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Yes, Nancy and I actually remember this case when you
covered it when it first happened, and I remember thinking
to myself.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
That it made no sense.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
A little five year old girl. You don't notice she's
missing until you wake up to go to the bathroom. Well,
who put the cinder block at the door, the little
five year old girl? Or was the door pride open
and you didn't hear that? Because my recollection is that
the trailer wasn't very big, So if Haley wandered off
by herself, there would have been noise, her trying to
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open the door, her trying to put a cinder block,
which I don't even think would be physically possible, or
somebody came in and took her.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I don't know how many hundreds of statements, thousands of
statements everybody on this panel has sifted through before. But
to Terry Schumaker, who's the lawyer for Ronald Cummings, Haley
Cummings father, her biological father, who was by all accounts
devoted to her. When you can't keep your story straight
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for three minutes, that's the problem.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean, if you can't tell one story after
another story and sound like the same story, then obviously
you're lying. And nothing you say can be believed. So
you know, law enforcement did everything they could with Missy
to try and get her to cooperate and get her
to answer questions truthfully. But you know, from the moment
I met her to the moment she went away to prison,
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I can't tell you how many different stories she told
me about what took place that night.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
That must have twisted your client, Ronald Cummings's stomach. He
must have just been sick when he hears all of
her changing stories.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Terry, Yeah, you know, And every time I talk to him,
he was like, I can't understand why she won't just
tell me the truth, you know.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
And somebody asked earlier.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Maybe it was you? About all we had married her,
And I remember him telling me when I asked the
same question, He's like, you keep your friends close and
your enemies closer. And he was hoping that by marrying well,
maybe she would one day open up and tell him
what really happened. And when he realized that was never
going to happen, and she was just going to continue
lying and continue leading him down a false path, that's
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when he got the divorce for.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Eighteen months, mister Croslin says she awoke at three am
and Haley is gone and the back door is open now,
She says, her cousin, Joe Overstreet, comes to the trailer
to get a machine gun owned by Haley's father, Ronald Cummings.
When Overstreet doesn't find the gun, Croslin's attorney, Robert Fields, says,
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Haley Cummings is taken as a substitute for the machine gun.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What a machine gun? What happened to waking up in
the middle of the night to go to the bathroom
and realizing that Haley's gone? Where's this coming from?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Listen?
Speaker 12 (29:06):
Misty Crossland tells nine to one one dispatchers and her
boyfriend that she woke up at three am to get
a drink of water and finds Haley missing in the
back door open now. She says, that isn't what happened.
Misty Crossland's attorney says, the night Haley Cummings disappeared, Crosslin
and Haley's younger brother, Ronald Junior, cowered under a sheet,
hearing screams from Haley as the five year old struggles
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against her abductor. Crossland claims she gets a glance at
the abductor and knows who he is.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Ohkay, So now machine guns and kidnappers. Next thing, she'll
pull a Jodyarius and tell the tell us the kidnappers
wearing black ninja outfits where their faces covered. Dave mac
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
You know what, if a little.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Girl's life wasn't on the line, I would be tempted, tempted,
just barely tempted, day to laugh. Really armed in traders
with machine guns come in and steal Haley. And we're
just hearing about this almost two years in Okay, what's
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thede story?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Tell me about the machine guns?
Speaker 11 (30:16):
She actually claims again, remember she didn't know who did it.
It was middle of the night, woke up, she was gone.
Now she not only knows who took Haley, she saw
it happen and cowered away. But even in her statement
a year and a half after the fag Nancy, she
can't even lie in the right order, because you know,
she acts like she's cowering under and gets a glance
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at the person stealing Haley. She says that Haley is
either covered in a black blanket or put into a
black bag, and that this person, now she knows him,
well enough to know that, Oh, he came here for
a machine gun. See, all of this is not my fault.
It's Ronald's fault. Ronald promised him a machine gun. And
when the guy gets here, I'm assuming he looked all
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around this trailer and didn't find the machine gun, and
so he took Hailey as a down payment or as
a replacement or something. It makes absolutely positively no sense
that she claims she got a glance of him in it,
because in that story the Joe Overstreet, her cousin.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Would have just come into the trailer, grabbed Haley and run.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
But he came in and looked for the machine gun
and didn't find it in the story as well, So
which one is it?
Speaker 9 (31:29):
Even in the lie?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It boggles the mind.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
This woman hates anyone that gets close to the truth. Listen,
they're recording everything, y'all do I mean, how how how
can we not see each other?
Speaker 11 (31:43):
We are not co defend And I think Nankey Great
needs to keep her mouth shut until she knows the fact.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
All kind of crazy cry out.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
All about you and Haley and it's it is yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
A BS.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I guess you're a big BS or two. Rob Hardwick
So what do you believe happened that night? Because I
guarantee you the X stepmother, Missy Crasslin, did not just
wake up and go to the bathroom and peek over
and go, oh.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
My stars, Haley's gone.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
That didn't happen, and nobody broke in with machine guns
and then took Heley. Okay, so what really happened? Where
is Helly Coummings. I got a bad feeling. I've got
a bad feeling based on one thing. One thing, somebody
that can't lie, and that's a dog. Sure, best witness
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I ever put on the stand was a dog held
up pretty well on across exam too.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
So what happened? Rob Hardwick?
Speaker 8 (32:49):
You know, Nancy and I hate him and give Missy
any credit at all, But let's give this girl some credit.
She's been a manipulative, compulsive liar since her first No
One one call at three am in the morning, and
we've had to deal with that for years, by the way,
I mean dragging us around to makee up crime scenes,
to you know, to interviewing people that had nothing to
do with this case. He changes her entire story at
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eighteen months later of what happened to misty where little
Ronald was at n I mean she starts throwing every
end of the bus, so I too, Nance, I'm going
to go back on my belief and what our canines
can do, our blood, they're trained to do this. These
are multiple dogs that hit on the same location. So
I'm going to agree with you and tell you that
I'm not gonna You've done this before, you prosecuted cases
and put people on the stand where this says the
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canine is actually what actually gives us the evidence in
the case.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
And I believe we're in the case. I'm going to believe.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
I'm going to agree with mister Merchant, and I believe
that body was down in the water that night. Again,
that's a fast moving river and saying John's River, it
flows into the Barge Canal to the south. So I
believe she was in the water. My personal opinion, And
I'm going to ask you.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
You know what people say, there's no such thing as
a stupid question. I'm going to ask you what I
think is a stupid question. You know why stupid because
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter her And it took
me years years as a prosecutor sitting in court looking
over child molesters, drug lords, murderers.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
And I think, why would you do this and leave
such a wake of pain like a speedboat behind you?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Why?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And it took me about five years, in believe it
or not, Rob Hardwick, before I realized why?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Ask why?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Because why doesn't matter. I have one job and one
job only, and that is to seek the truth, whether
I like the truth or not. But I'm going to
ask you, I'm going to go out on a limb.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Why Why? Because I believe five year old Heilly comings
was dead.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
When she left that house. I don't think she walked
down to the water and jumped in. I think she
was killed and thrown in the water. But why why
was this little girl killed?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Rob?
Speaker 8 (34:59):
You know, Nancy, as we looked back in this case
and did so much work in this case, you looked
back for so just the upbringing of Missy by herself,
and the evilness of course that she.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Doesn't know any different, any better. And this is one
of things, Nancy, she drove us to all these.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
I mean, I'm one of the investigators back in the
case where Putnam County Sheriff's Office had dragged around a
jail numerous times on these bogus lies where we went
looking for Haley's body, or went to these crime scened
areas looking for Haley's body.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
She ran us a monk the entire time.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
It reminds me so.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Much John Merchant, Lee detective in the Haley Commy's case
at the time, John Marsh, it reminds me so much
of top mom Casey Anthony, who led police all over
from here to timbuckto down a pig path.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
You know what a pig path is. You can't catch
a running pig, It's impossible.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
A pig path is like a crazy circuitest ziggy zaggy path. Okay,
John Merchant. She has led like a top mom Casey Anthony,
led and investigators to this place, to that place, to
this place.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
To that place.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It was all a lie and held an incredible composure
the whole time.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
And that is what Misty Croslin did.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
Yeah. I think a pig pat would probably be an
understatement when it comes to her. She has led us everywhere.
She's led us from. I have no clue till I
witnessed it. And here's where the body is. And like
Chief Herbert said, we have been from crime scene, the
crime scene, escorted her to the location to location, and
we still have nothing. We have nothing but Misty Craslin
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telling why after life.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Then they find out what happened to Haley, everything would
be different.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
I know, I can't believe they will. Don't believe, you know,
I know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Because they got my bark that's so high.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Just because of that, and that's not fair. This has
nothing to do with it. I know that that's exactly
what idiot, that's what they think I'm going to break.
There's nothing to break me on, so they need to
leave me.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
All okay, my head is actually hurting right over here
to doctor Seri Swartz, Boy, do I need a shrink?
I may need a drink, but I definitely need a
shrink since I'm a teetoel er can't have that drink.
Doctor Serry Swartz, did you just hear her?
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Me me me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,
me and me? What about the missing girl?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
She's mad because her bond isn't low enough for her
to get out. She says, quote, they need to leave
me alone.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
They think I'm gonna break. I'm not gonna break. Who
is this woman?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Well?
Speaker 6 (37:36):
The sad truth is. And I don't know Misty Kralsland,
but I'll say this in general, people that are high
in psychopathy and narcissism have very low levels of anxiety.
And so this is why she will never break She's
not lying about that they will never break her because
she doesn't suffer the physiological and psychological consequences that the
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rest of us might suffer under similar high pressure circumstances.
And she is only concerned for herself. That's evident in
all of the recordings, and as I recalled, there were
many where she's only worried about Missy. She's not at
all concerned about where Haley is, which to me is
an indication that she knows where Haley is and that
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she can't be found. And she's also not concerned about Ronald,
this person that she's supposed to love whose daughter got
lost on her watch.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Terry Sheumaker speaking of Ronald Cummings. Another thing is that
she marries and then he quickly divorces her Ronald Cummings,
but never once do we hear her talk about, Oh,
this is tearing Ronald up.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
He can't find his daughter. I'm sick about it. I
want to help him.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, when I see the few times I've ever
seen my husband in any kind of distress, I think
the only time I really have seen him or he
would show his emotions is where when his mom and
dad died really quickly, you know, one after the other,
and I would do anything I could think of, you know,
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just to try to make him feel better.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
I failed, but I tried.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I never hear her talking about finding Haley. What really
happened to Haley? Again, like top mom, whenever that asked her,
well what did happen to Kelly? She get mad at
her parents here. You never hear her talk about what
happened that night? Can we find Haley? Is Haley still alive?
How can I help Ron? Nothing like that, Terry, she maker, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I mean part of that is the only way she
could help Ron is to implicate herself in the disappearance
of Haley. So obviously she knows how to help him,
she knows she has the information to help him, but
in order to do that, it's going to put herself
in trouble. And she's never going to do that. Like
doctor Schwartz said, you know, a very narcissist stick, and
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she's never going to break She's never going to give
any information because she knows that if she does, obviously
that's the end of her.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
If you know, or you think you know anything about
the disappearance of a beautiful five year old little girl,
Haley Cummings, please doll three eight six three two nine
zero eight zero eight repeat three eight six three two nine.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Zero eight zero eight.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
There is still a reward for information in the disappearance
of Haley Cummings. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a five year old little
girl seemingly vanishes into thin air from her own home,
But tonight the ex stepmother changing her story, claiming, I
saw what happened the night Haley just five disappears. Well
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that's news to a lot of people. Good evening, I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We'll just look over her that story openly.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Can't find what I okay, what's your aggress Greenlane?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Good?
Speaker 5 (00:43):
What's the numerical one?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You're cool little the number green Lane? Okay? When did
you last see her?
Speaker 6 (00:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
You know it was tetical. She's keeping queen.
Speaker 7 (01:02):
Okay, how old is your daughter you saw?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I don't remember hearing anything in the whole nine one
one call the States.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I saw what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I saw what happened to five year old Elly Cummings.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
I didn't hear anything about it right there. In fact,
I hear just the opposite. But you know what, let's
listen to a little more.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Maybe the ex stepmother, a misty, will explain herself.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
Okay, well was she last you worry?
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Ma'am?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
You were saveing?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Okay, all right. You said your back door was wide
open almost all I said, okay, the listen to me,
your back door was wide open? What are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
A bricky?
Speaker 8 (01:56):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
What is the brick?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What is the brick? The brick is where the back
door was propped open. As I recall, it was more
like a cement block. But again, we are listening to
the ex step mom, and that's straight in my head,
the ex step mom of.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Five year old little Haley. You're hearing Misty Cross and
he makes a nine one one call.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And also if I could hear that particular segment of
the nine to one one call again, because I hear
a male voice who I believe to be Ronald Cummings,
Haley's bio dad, yelling who grabs a little girl.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
In the middle of the night. He ain't buying it either.
I'm with you, Cummings.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Okay, let's hear that one more time and listen out
for Ronald Commings.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
This is Heley's father.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Okay, well we'll.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
See what lasting worry, ma'am.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
We're using.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Okay, all right, you said your back door with wide open.
Speaker 9 (03:06):
Almost was all I.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Said, Okay, the door. Listen to me, your back door
was wide open. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
A bricky?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
What?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
What is the brick?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
The nine one one dispatch also has a problem with
the X step mother Misty Cross and story. Okay, I
know people get really upset when they're on nine one
one they're trying to report something. Joining me in All
Star Panel, but first I want to go to a
special guest joining us, the lead detective in the Hailly
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Cummings disappearance, John Marshall, and let me tell you something.
He has put blood, sweat and tears into trying to
find five year old Haley Cummings.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
John, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Do you hear the seeming confusion and the X step
mom Misty Austin's voice, She's like, uh what First she's
explaining they were asleep and she jumps to the back
door being propped open with a brick, and the nine
one one dispatched going what what do you hear?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
The nine one one call? Does that not cause you concern?
John Merchant?
Speaker 10 (04:21):
Yeah, Like I said, from the very beginning, from the
inception of her number one call, her inconsistencies remain. She
told story after story after story, and you hear it
from the number one call on until later on in
the cage till she comes up because she witnesses what happened.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
It's amazing to me and John Merchant. I hear everything
going on the background. I want to thank you for
being with us while you're on duty. Guys, let's listen
to more of the nine to one one call.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
What do we learn? A real quick huh?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
And there was a brick laying there sting. We gotta
come and came, We gotn't comment.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
What's the color of your house, ma'am? Blue? Okay?
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Now joining me in addition to John Merchant and an
all star panel, Rob Hardwick is with us, the Saint
John's County sheriff, former assistant chief investigator for the State's
Attorney's office. He, along with John Merchant, investigated this case.
You know what, there's no way we can let go
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of this case because justice has not been obtained. And
I know Rob, you and John Merchant feel the same.
When I hear Misty Crosslin and her story, her concocted
story and the near hyperventilation in her I'll tell.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
You why she's worried. She's not worried about Haley. Oh, ah,
she double.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Lno, she's worried because Ronald Cummings just got home from
the night shift and he's like, what the f who
comes in and steals a.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Baby out of the house in the middle of the
night and you.
Speaker 9 (06:18):
Slept through it?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
And he's right, it's bs. I mean, you had to
do a backflip when you heard this story for the
first time. Hardwick sure, and Nancy.
Speaker 8 (06:28):
In the time that she opened her mouth, of course,
on February tenth, at three am in the morning time,
and she has lied every single time that she's open
mouthed since then. And with that being said, we have
done so many resources in this case since two thousand
and nine because of her inconsistencies, her lies, her cover ups,
when we could have maybe got Haley back in the
early hours and recovered her if she would have been truthful.
Speaker 9 (06:51):
But she has let us down.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
Every single wrong path, lying, bringing us to sites where
bodies have been done for research. Divers were in the
water in these creeks at Shell Harbor Marina found gators,
alligator's teeth and fingernails and tonnails in there looking for Haley.
But again, she's since the time she opened her mouth Nancy.
She's been a repetitive and a compelling liar, and she
does it to this day while she's serving a prison sentence.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I have gone over that area, that very area with
a fine tooth comb. I have looked through every location
that has ever been mentioned, and you're right joining me. Also,
in addition to Rob Hardwick, Saint John's County Sheriff John Merchant,
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former lead detective in this case, is a very special
guest as well, Terry Shoemaker.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
He is the lawyer for Ronald Cummings. That's Haley's bio.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Dad this out and I verified this myself out working.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
At night. I just morn his family literally punching a clock.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Have you ever had to do that? Because I had
at Sears and Roebuck. You punched a clock to show
exactly when you go in.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
And when you leave.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I hear Ronald in the background raising teetotal hell, how
in the world could somebody come into the house.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
And steal my daughter on your watch? And that's why
Misty Crawlson was so hyped up.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Absolutely, I mean we all know that Ronald was at
work that night. He was never a suspect because you
know his whereabouts were always verified. He gets home and
all of a sudden he finds out his daughter's missing,
and you know, and Misty is starting with the lies
right from the get go, So of course he was upset.
Of course he was very aggressive, and of course he
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was very concerned. But you know, Misty never once and
all the times I met with her, and all the
times that my talked or she never once gave any
indication of what had happened that night.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The story is changing about what happened to five year
old Haley Cummings. And I know that Ronald Cummings, the
bio dad, has had a lot of ups and downs.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
But as I've told many.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
A jury, what do you want on the witness stands
a nun, a priest, a virgin Because I don't have that.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
I don't have that to put on.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But what I do have is a bio dad who
comes home from work and I can verify you as
at work, and he can smell a crop full of
bs a mile away. So what more do we learn
from the nine to one call? This is important because
you are hearing the stepmom giving her first rendition of
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the facts.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Listen, Okay, what's your back door?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Locked.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
You know, yes, but I thought always sa.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Okay, let me speak.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I just got over work before real daughter is gone.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm wanted to be here.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
All tell me versus Hanley, we got too often.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
By fine, whoever has my daughter before, y'all do I'm
killing him.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
I don't do it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm gonna resk my life in prison. I'm telling you
can put it on record, and.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I don't do Okay, it's okay, sir.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
We got him on the way.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I know Ronald Cummings. I have spoken to him in person.
I have talked to him many many times, and you
hear him. I believe he's completely innocent in his daughter's disappearance.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Uh, let me go to you, Rob Hardwick, Saint John's
County Share a former investigator on this case, Rob Hardwick.
But you learn who's telling the truth. Now, you can
be tricked, that's for sure. Sure, But you kind of
turn into a human lie detector. And I don't care
what anybody says about Ronald Cummings. He was telling the
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truth about his daughter's disappearance. I believe him completely. Do
you hear his voice when he walks in on that
crap show orchestrated by the stepmom, Misty Crosslin.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
Sure, Nancy, that goes back to when he actually went
to work, of course, on the ninth or February to
PDM Bridge. It starts there, so that initial nine one
one call comes in again. Misty already has the plan
in place, she already knows what's going on, and Ronald
walks in to a mess. Basically, his five year old
daughter is missing, his three year old son is still there.
And then you got Misty who again the time she
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pick up the phone at three am or three seventeen
in the morning time, she immediately starts lying and he
comes into that storm.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
You're absolutely right, Nancy.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
What about a John Merchant? You investigated this case and
it's still haunting you.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
Yeah, and all the conversation have with Ronald, I would
describe Ronald as a non perfect person. He lived a
life that was probably something we would approve of, But
he's absolutely innocent when it comes to what happened to
his daughter. He was at work, just like you described it.
He was at work doing what was right, making a
living for his family, and that's exactly where he was
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at at the time he comes home to a girl
who has began a fabrication of a of a of
a long story. And that's what he walked into. And
you can hear the anger in his voice, and any
any conversation I ever have with Ronald, his anger never
went away. Even when he married her, he still always
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had in the back of his head something's not like
when ultimately he divorced.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But because of that, yeah, I couldn't believe it when
he actually married her, John. But I want to be
clear about something that you just said. You said he
has led a life that we wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
All approve of. I want to be clear. I am
not the church lady.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't care who sleeps with who, if you gamble,
if you drink, I don't care.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
That's on you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What I do care about is anything that's got crime
scene tape around it, specifically a missing child who I
believe is dead. I think she's dead, and I think
she's been dead a long time. And let me go
back to you. Everybody jump in again. We ain't having
a high tea at Windsor Castle to Rob Hardwick. Did
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you know she was lying at the time?
Speaker 9 (13:38):
You know, we have to take the facts.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Of course, that we get at the time of the
nine one one call, and Nancy, as you know this
very well in your entire team, you got to take
what's given to you in the very beginning.
Speaker 9 (13:46):
That's what we had to go by. Was again the
time is ticket. We got a five year.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
Old baby basically missing out of a trailer in Putnam County,
and I think you all know this from the map
there too. You have seven Sisters Islands, which is connects
to the Saint John's River through Trout Creek just a
few maybe even one hundred yards away. So time is
ticking to find this child. So you have to take
what you initially have. Triage that beggars can't be choosers.
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You know this very well, and you've got to work
with it. And then of course you have a dad
in a panic boat coming home knowing damn well that
his daughter is gone from that house and not in
that house, and the last one to see her in
that home.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
With Christy Croslin, there.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Is no doubt in my mind that Misty Cross on
the X stepmother was lying about the disappearance of five
year old Heley with me an all Star panel. But
now to investigative reporter with Crime Online dot Com Dave
Mack joining us. Dave, I focused a lot so far
on the niem on one call, and I'm going to
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go back to the nine on one call because when
a defendant, a suspect or person of interest is actually
the one that calls nine one one, Davis, you've known
from covering so many criminal cases, that may be the
closest you ever get to a suspect's statement, because once
they're ever arrested, they lawyer up, or what they think
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they're gonna get arrested, they lawyer up and they don't
say anything, and that's perfectly okay, that's their right under
the constitution. But the closest we may ever get to
what Misty Crossland was saying.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
About what happened is this nine to one one call.
I'm gonna circle back to it, Dave mac.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
But first, could you explain to people unfamiliar with Haley
Cummings's disappearance what happened that not in Satsuma.
Speaker 11 (15:36):
Haley, just like any other five year old, was put
to bed around eight to fifteen that night by her
babysitter slash girlfriend slash stepmom, Misty Crossland.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
At about three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 11 (15:48):
Misty Crossling says she got up to get a drink
of water from the bathroom and as she was coming
back to bed, she saw Ronald Jor but did not
see Haley. Haley Cummings was not in the bed where
she had been. Now, as she's doing that, Ronald Cummings
comes home from work. I mean he's walking in home
from work at the moment Misty Crossland begins to say
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Hayley's missing. So that's where the nine one one call starts.
And by the way, Ronald Cummings had to tell her
call nine to one one and happen at three seventeen am.
I know you're gonna round up back to this, but
you know what you can. Hear Ronald Cummings like any
other father in the background on that nine to one
one call.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
He's just letting it go and you know what, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (16:31):
At one point, Ronald Commings grabs the phone and says,
y'all are taken too long and hangs up on nine
to one one.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
He was that frustrated and he didn't believe Missy. Who
does this? Who takes a kid at three in the morning?
Come on?
Speaker 11 (16:42):
And yet he had to roll with what her story is.
And now you said she fixed her story right then,
So any change.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
She makes is a lie. Anything other than what she
says on that nine to one one call is a lie.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I mean, Terry Shoemaker, you tried a lot of cases, guys.
He is the lawyer representing the biodad Ronald Cummings, and
not necessarily in this case, because he has spoken with
me freely about that night. He's gone on air with
me in the search for Haley, and he has not
asserted any Fifth Amendment right to remain silent in the search.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
For his daughter.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
He's gone over and over the story with me, and Terry,
I wanted to go to you on a point of law, well,
really a point of evidence. When a defendant or any
witness makes a statement great then later if they add
to the statement, they embellish the statement great er, all right,
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because maybe they weren't out asked the right questions the
first time, and upon correct questioning or more in depth questioning,
they may reveal more of the facts and it may
jog their memory about certain details they did not mention
the first. But when they begin changing the story, there's
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the problem. What about it, Terry Shemaker.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, you know, they always say the truth is a
straight line, you know, and it never changes that once
they give that first story or the first statement, if
it's the truth, it's always going to stay the same.
It's going to remain constant. As soon as they start
changing what happened, where it happened, when it happened, how
it happened, you can start asking questions as to did
it really happen that way or are they trying to
lie and cover stuff up? So absolutely, the truth never changes.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What we understand from Missing Haley's ex stepmother, the story
is changing. I've tried to get her to speak to me.
She hates my guts, and that's to put it mildly,
and don't worry, Cralsland. The feeling is mutual. But the
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closest I'll ever get to hearing your statement is this.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Listen, So, okay, sir, let me talk to your wife.
So let me get an Okay, can I talk to Ron?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Okay, ma'am, yeah, okay, listen to I mean, answer her question.
Does the door look like it was cried open? Does
it look like it did it look like you had
the sort of someone trying to enter into your house.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Okay, that right right there. She's already taking a lie
and we're still talking to nine one one the night.
He only goes missing.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
First she said there was a brick of sorts holding
the door open. Now she's saying that it looked like
somebody pride the door opened. And I don't know if
you can tell what Ronald Cummings is saying in the background.
It's hard to understand him, but he says to Misty
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cross On the stepmom, how the did you let my
daughter get stole? Yeah, that's real. Let's listen to that
one more time.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So, okay, sir, let me talk to your what so
let me get a mess?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Can I talk to rot okay, ma'am? Yeah, okay, listen
to I mean, answer some questions. Does the door look
like it was cried open? Does it look like it
did it look like you had the sort of someone
trying to enter at your house?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
Haley Cummings vanishes in the middle of the night, and
her father, Ronald comings, tells living girlfriend Misty Crossland to
call nine to one one right away. Crosslin makes the
call at three seventeen to report Haley missing, and while
she's on the phone, Ronald Cummings gets agitated that is
taking police too long to get to their house and
hangs up the phone on nine to one one. Nine
one one calls back and the dispatcher tries to get
Misty Crosslin back on the phone to get more information.
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Cummings has heard on the recording saying he doesn't care
if he goes to prison for the rest of his life.
He will kill whoever has taken his daughter, and.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Very wisely, those in charge of the investigation immediately call
in the cane ies. Those guys are with me right now,
but first listen to Nicole Parton from Crime Online.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Misty Croslin tells nine to one to one dispatch she
is asleep with Haley and Ronald Junior when she awoke
around three am to go to the bathroom. She realizes
Haley is gone and the back door of the trailer
is open and a brick is placed to keep the
door propped open. Haley is described as a curly headed
girl between forty and sixty pounds wearing pajamas. The dispatcher
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instructs Misty Kroslin and Ronald Cummings not to touch the
back door anymore as canines are on the way to
see if they can pick up Haley's scent.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
To Rob Hardway, Saint John's County Sheriff and the former
assistant chief investigator for the State Attorney's office that investigated
this case at the time Haley first went missing, bringing
in the dogs first thing was a great move. Very
often we see a long delay before the canines were
brought in. What happened the night the cane eyes were
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brought in on what if anything did they hit?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (22:32):
So Nancy actually, when the bloodhounds were actually brought in,
we actually asked for mutual aid out of Tomoka cresh Institution.
Tomoka creuesh Institution is a prison just to the cellar
of where the actual disappearance occurred in the next county.
Those were some of the best bloodhounds in the state,
if not the United States.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
These Bloodhouns came in.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
We actually had canines from surrounding agencies to include the
Putnam County Sheriff's office and I G when I say
k nines mostly bloodhounds. When the dogs actually exited the
trailer onto Green Lane. Some when of course westbound per
se which is down to Saint John's River or Crowd Creek,
and some went eastbound, and the trail actually ended near
a row of mailboxes or a stack of mailboxes for
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the trailer park or that immediate area. So we had
some positive alerts in different directions.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Positive alerts in different directions. John Merchant, formerly detective in
this case, I'm trying to figure out what that means.
Where the dogs were hitting. Could that have been where
Haley had been playing in the neighborhood or do you
believe it was her path that night, the night she disappeared.
Speaker 10 (23:41):
Personally at this point, I believe this. I believe what
the dogs did is probably her last track. Everything indicates
towards the water, and that's what we have to go on.
There was some other positive alerts on the front shide
of the mobile home toward the mailboxes. That could have
been something that happened earlier in the day, eight earlier
in the week. I can't really say for sure, but
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I know the more consistent effect from the canines. It's
different canines that were used, all went toward.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
To take them.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
And by g you Rob Hardwick joining us, what do
you make of it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
What does it mean, was that where she was just
before she was kidnapped or just before she was killed
right there?
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Or was that where she had been playing in the neighborhood.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Well, you know, you look at the map, of course
of Green Lane, and just like Merchant said, green Lane
actually dead ends into Trout Creek of course, Saint John's
River on one end, and then the other end actually,
which is all dirt roads, ends on Buffalo Road, Buffalo
Bluff Road. So again, those canines which we rely on
so heaving, these are canines that actually were bloodhounds that
do this where they track human scent. And we don't
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get this in a lot, Nancy, where we actually have
fresh clothing, fresh scent. Well, of course, when Haley went
missing from this trailer on Green Lane, we had dirty clothes,
we had her scent, the immediate scent.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
But this is a problem though, and we talked about
this earlier. Is let's back up to eight point fifteen.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
Is misty the truth that she put the baby to
bed at eight fifteen, that she went to bed at
ten o'clock. And then the other question too, Nancy, is
we'll go back and given the track to the canines
she says, this rear door is propped open near the
laundry room, but she doesn't exit the rear door and
look when the child is missing out the door. So
we give this information to our bloodhounds and we go
in the best information. But these bloodhounds tracked in two
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different directions, which exactly like mister Merchant said. It could
be earlier tracks where she had been playing or actually
when she was still alive.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Joining me is a renowned forensic psychologist who specializes in
capital mitigation and victim advocacy.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
You can find her at panthermitigation dot com.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Doctor Sherry, you have closely listened to
the nine to one one calls where the ex stepmother
Misty Craslin, is giving her version of what happened when
Haley disappears on her watch, claims that Heley had been
sleeping with her and then she wakes up in boom.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Haley's gone.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
First says that the door would be imprompted open with
a brick, and then says it looks like somebody pride
it open. I mean, in the space of three minutes,
has already contradicted herself.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Yes, Nancy and I actually remember this case when you
covered it when it first happened, and I remember thinking
to myself.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
That it made no sense.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
A little five year old girl. You don't notice she's
missing until you wake up to go to the bathroom. Well,
who put the cinder block at the door, the little
five year old girl? Or was the door pride open
and you didn't hear that? Because my recollection is that
the trailer wasn't very big, So if Haley wandered off
by herself, there would have been noise, her trying to
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open the door, her trying to put a cinder block,
which I don't even think would be physically possible, or
somebody came in and took her.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I don't know how many hundreds of statements, thousands of
statements everybody on this panel has sifted through before. But
to Terry Schumaker, who's the lawyer for Ronald Cummings, Haley
Cummings father, her biological father, who was by all accounts
devoted to her. When you can't keep your story straight
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for three minutes, that's the problem.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean, if you can't tell one story after
another story and sound like the same story, then obviously
you're lying. And nothing you say can be believed. So
you know, law enforcement did everything they could with Missy
to try and get her to cooperate and get her
to answer questions truthfully. But you know, from the moment
I met her to the moment she went away to prison,
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I can't tell you how many different stories she told
me about what took place that night.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
That must have twisted your client, Ronald Cummings's stomach. He
must have just been sick when he hears all of
her changing stories.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Terry, Yeah, you know, And every time I talk to him,
he was like, I can't understand why she won't just
tell me the truth, you know.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
And somebody asked earlier.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Maybe it was you? About all we had married her,
And I remember him telling me when I asked the
same question, He's like, you keep your friends close and
your enemies closer. And he was hoping that by marrying well,
maybe she would one day open up and tell him
what really happened. And when he realized that was never
going to happen, and she was just going to continue
lying and continue leading him down a false path, that's
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when he got the divorce for.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Eighteen months, mister Croslin says she awoke at three am
and Haley is gone and the back door is open now,
She says, her cousin, Joe Overstreet, comes to the trailer
to get a machine gun owned by Haley's father, Ronald Cummings.
When Overstreet doesn't find the gun, Croslin's attorney, Robert Fields, says,
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Haley Cummings is taken as a substitute for the machine gun.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What a machine gun? What happened to waking up in
the middle of the night to go to the bathroom
and realizing that Haley's gone? Where's this coming from?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Listen?
Speaker 12 (29:06):
Misty Crossland tells nine to one one dispatchers and her
boyfriend that she woke up at three am to get
a drink of water and finds Haley missing in the
back door open now. She says, that isn't what happened.
Misty Crossland's attorney says, the night Haley Cummings disappeared, Crosslin
and Haley's younger brother, Ronald Junior, cowered under a sheet,
hearing screams from Haley as the five year old struggles
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against her abductor. Crossland claims she gets a glance at
the abductor and knows who he is.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Ohkay, So now machine guns and kidnappers. Next thing, she'll
pull a Jodyarius and tell the tell us the kidnappers
wearing black ninja outfits where their faces covered. Dave mac
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
You know what, if a little.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Girl's life wasn't on the line, I would be tempted, tempted,
just barely tempted, day to laugh. Really armed in traders
with machine guns come in and steal Haley. And we're
just hearing about this almost two years in Okay, what's
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thede story?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Tell me about the machine guns?
Speaker 11 (30:16):
She actually claims again, remember she didn't know who did it.
It was middle of the night, woke up, she was gone.
Now she not only knows who took Haley, she saw
it happen and cowered away. But even in her statement
a year and a half after the fag Nancy, she
can't even lie in the right order, because you know,
she acts like she's cowering under and gets a glance
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at the person stealing Haley. She says that Haley is
either covered in a black blanket or put into a
black bag, and that this person, now she knows him,
well enough to know that, Oh, he came here for
a machine gun. See, all of this is not my fault.
It's Ronald's fault. Ronald promised him a machine gun. And
when the guy gets here, I'm assuming he looked all
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around this trailer and didn't find the machine gun, and
so he took Hailey as a down payment or as
a replacement or something. It makes absolutely positively no sense
that she claims she got a glance of him in it,
because in that story the Joe Overstreet, her cousin.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Would have just come into the trailer, grabbed Haley and run.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
But he came in and looked for the machine gun
and didn't find it in the story as well, So
which one is it?
Speaker 9 (31:29):
Even in the lie?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It boggles the mind.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
This woman hates anyone that gets close to the truth. Listen,
they're recording everything, y'all do I mean, how how how
can we not see each other?
Speaker 11 (31:43):
We are not co defend And I think Nankey Great
needs to keep her mouth shut until she knows the fact.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
All kind of crazy cry out.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
All about you and Haley and it's it is yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
A BS.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I guess you're a big BS or two. Rob Hardwick
So what do you believe happened that night? Because I
guarantee you the X stepmother, Missy Crasslin, did not just
wake up and go to the bathroom and peek over
and go, oh.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
My stars, Haley's gone.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
That didn't happen, and nobody broke in with machine guns
and then took Heley. Okay, so what really happened? Where
is Helly Coummings. I got a bad feeling. I've got
a bad feeling based on one thing. One thing, somebody
that can't lie, and that's a dog. Sure, best witness
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I ever put on the stand was a dog held
up pretty well on across exam too.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
So what happened? Rob Hardwick?
Speaker 8 (32:49):
You know, Nancy and I hate him and give Missy
any credit at all, But let's give this girl some credit.
She's been a manipulative, compulsive liar since her first No
One one call at three am in the morning, and
we've had to deal with that for years, by the way,
I mean dragging us around to makee up crime scenes,
to you know, to interviewing people that had nothing to
do with this case. He changes her entire story at
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eighteen months later of what happened to misty where little
Ronald was at n I mean she starts throwing every
end of the bus, so I too, Nance, I'm going
to go back on my belief and what our canines
can do, our blood, they're trained to do this. These
are multiple dogs that hit on the same location. So
I'm going to agree with you and tell you that
I'm not gonna You've done this before, you prosecuted cases
and put people on the stand where this says the
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canine is actually what actually gives us the evidence in
the case.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
And I believe we're in the case. I'm going to believe.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
I'm going to agree with mister Merchant, and I believe
that body was down in the water that night. Again,
that's a fast moving river and saying John's River, it
flows into the Barge Canal to the south. So I
believe she was in the water. My personal opinion, And
I'm going to ask you.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
You know what people say, there's no such thing as
a stupid question. I'm going to ask you what I
think is a stupid question. You know why stupid because
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter her And it took
me years years as a prosecutor sitting in court looking
over child molesters, drug lords, murderers.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
And I think, why would you do this and leave
such a wake of pain like a speedboat behind you?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Why?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
And it took me about five years, in believe it
or not, Rob Hardwick, before I realized why?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Ask why?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Because why doesn't matter. I have one job and one
job only, and that is to seek the truth, whether
I like the truth or not. But I'm going to
ask you, I'm going to go out on a limb.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Why Why? Because I believe five year old Heilly comings
was dead.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
When she left that house. I don't think she walked
down to the water and jumped in. I think she
was killed and thrown in the water. But why why
was this little girl killed?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Rob?
Speaker 8 (34:59):
You know, Nancy, as we looked back in this case
and did so much work in this case, you looked
back for so just the upbringing of Missy by herself,
and the evilness of course that she.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
Doesn't know any different, any better. And this is one
of things, Nancy, she drove us to all these.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
I mean, I'm one of the investigators back in the
case where Putnam County Sheriff's Office had dragged around a
jail numerous times on these bogus lies where we went
looking for Haley's body, or went to these crime scened
areas looking for Haley's body.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
She ran us a monk the entire time.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
It reminds me so.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Much John Merchant, Lee detective in the Haley Commy's case
at the time, John Marsh, it reminds me so much
of top mom Casey Anthony, who led police all over
from here to timbuckto down a pig path.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
You know what a pig path is. You can't catch
a running pig, It's impossible.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
A pig path is like a crazy circuitest ziggy zaggy path. Okay,
John Merchant. She has led like a top mom Casey Anthony,
led and investigators to this place, to that place, to
this place.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
To that place.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It was all a lie and held an incredible composure
the whole time.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
And that is what Misty Croslin did.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
Yeah. I think a pig pat would probably be an
understatement when it comes to her. She has led us everywhere.
She's led us from. I have no clue till I
witnessed it. And here's where the body is. And like
Chief Herbert said, we have been from crime scene, the
crime scene, escorted her to the location to location, and
we still have nothing. We have nothing but Misty Craslin
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telling why after life.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
Then they find out what happened to Haley, everything would
be different.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
I know, I can't believe they will. Don't believe, you know,
I know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Because they got my bark that's so high.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Just because of that, and that's not fair. This has
nothing to do with it. I know that that's exactly
what idiot, that's what they think I'm going to break.
There's nothing to break me on, so they need to
leave me.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
All okay, my head is actually hurting right over here
to doctor Seri Swartz, Boy, do I need a shrink?
I may need a drink, but I definitely need a
shrink since I'm a teetoel er can't have that drink.
Doctor Serry Swartz, did you just hear her?
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Me me me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,
me and me? What about the missing girl?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
She's mad because her bond isn't low enough for her
to get out. She says, quote, they need to leave
me alone.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
They think I'm gonna break. I'm not gonna break. Who
is this woman?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Well?
Speaker 6 (37:36):
The sad truth is. And I don't know Misty Kralsland,
but I'll say this in general, people that are high
in psychopathy and narcissism have very low levels of anxiety.
And so this is why she will never break She's
not lying about that they will never break her because
she doesn't suffer the physiological and psychological consequences that the
(37:58):
rest of us might suffer under similar high pressure circumstances.
And she is only concerned for herself. That's evident in
all of the recordings, and as I recalled, there were
many where she's only worried about Missy. She's not at
all concerned about where Haley is, which to me is
an indication that she knows where Haley is and that
(38:18):
she can't be found. And she's also not concerned about Ronald,
this person that she's supposed to love whose daughter got
lost on her watch.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Terry Sheumaker speaking of Ronald Cummings. Another thing is that
she marries and then he quickly divorces her Ronald Cummings,
but never once do we hear her talk about, Oh,
this is tearing Ronald up.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
He can't find his daughter. I'm sick about it. I
want to help him.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, when I see the few times I've ever
seen my husband in any kind of distress, I think
the only time I really have seen him or he
would show his emotions is where when his mom and
dad died really quickly, you know, one after the other,
and I would do anything I could think of, you know,
(39:11):
just to try to make him feel better.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
I failed, but I tried.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I never hear her talking about finding Haley. What really
happened to Haley? Again, like top mom, whenever that asked her,
well what did happen to Kelly? She get mad at
her parents here. You never hear her talk about what
happened that night? Can we find Haley? Is Haley still alive?
How can I help Ron? Nothing like that, Terry, she maker, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
I mean part of that is the only way she
could help Ron is to implicate herself in the disappearance
of Haley. So obviously she knows how to help him,
she knows she has the information to help him, but
in order to do that, it's going to put herself
in trouble. And she's never going to do that. Like
doctor Schwartz said, you know, a very narcissist stick, and
(40:01):
she's never going to break She's never going to give
any information because she knows that if she does, obviously
that's the end of her.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
If you know, or you think you know anything about
the disappearance of a beautiful five year old little girl,
Haley Cummings, please doll three eight six three two nine
zero eight zero eight repeat three eight six three two nine.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Zero eight zero eight.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
There is still a reward for information in the disappearance
of Haley Cummings. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.
Host
Nancy Grace
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