February 24, 2025 • 41 mins
Investigators quickly determine that Moriah "Mo" Wilson, shot dead at a friend's home, was not a random target. After a few interviews, they realize Wilson's past relationship with Colin Strickland did not sit well with his current girlfriend, yoga instructor and real estate agent Kaitlin Armstrong.
The day after police question her, Armstrong sells her Jeep Grand Cherokee to a CarMax in South Austin for $12,000. The same Jeep appears on surveillance video near the scene of Wilson's murder. The next day, Armstrong books a flight out of Austin.
Eight days after Wilson's murder, investigators link Armstrong to the crime, and a warrant is issued for her arrest. As the warrant is issued, police discover she is already gone.
Surveillance footage at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport captures Armstrong boarding a flight to Houston, then on to New York. Investigators track her to New York's LaGuardia Airport, where she is seen again on surveillance video before seemingly vanishing.
They later trace her to Newark International Airport but find no outbound flights under her name. However, had they looked closely, they might have noticed a young woman with brown hair flying out of Newark using the passport of her sister, who also has brown hair and lives in New York. A check with Homeland Security reveals "Christie Armstrong" left Newark on a one-way flight to Costa Rica.
Armstrong lands in San José, Costa Rica, but does not stay long. She quickly disappears again. A month later, a source reports she may be hiding in Santa Teresa. After days of searching with no success, U.S. Marshals try a new tactic: placing ads for a yoga instructor. After nearly a week, they get a break—someone responds.
An investigator, posing as a tourist, visits a hostel to get a closer look at the woman. She resembles Armstrong but not exactly. As he gets closer, he notices a bandage on her nose and swollen lips, but her eyes remain the same. Investigators now understand why she was so difficult to find—she had undergone plastic surgery.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Troy Slaten - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers, APC; Twitter @TroySlaten
- Dr. Jeff Kieliszewski - Forensic Psychologist, Author: “Darksides", darksides.podia.com, YouTube: "Dr. Jeff Kieliszewski, Forensic Psychologist",
- Irv Brandt - Former Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch, Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs; Country Attache, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica. Author: “Solo Journey: Buddha Knights a Jack Solo Mystery Novel
- Dr. Michelle DuPre - Forensic Pathologist, Medical Examiner and Detective: Lexington County Sheriff's Department, Author: “Money, Mischief, and Murder: The Murdaugh Dynasty...the Rest of the Story," "Homicide Investigation Field Guide" & "Child Abuse Investigation Field Guide," Forensic Consultant DMichelleDupreMD.com
- Josephine Wentzel - Krystal Mitchell's Mother
- Alexis Tereszcuk - Crime Online.com Investigative Reporter
- Sydney Sumner- Crime Online.com Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Fed's reveal their shock move to hunt down the glam
yoga instructor in her love Rivals murder. How'd they do it?
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Up and coming star cyclist Mariah Moe Wilson dies after
an ambush. Her body found in her friend's bathroom, bloody
from gunshots.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What happened to Moe Wilson? What happened to Mariah? And
what is.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The secret strategy the RUSS the shot reveal Fed's used
to try and track down her killer.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
It all starts here.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Okay, tell me exactly what happened.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
My friend is staying with me and I just walked
in and she's laying on the bathroom floor. There's blood everywhere,
and I don't I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
How old is she?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
She's twenty six?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Okay. Is she awake?
Speaker 7 (01:12):
She's not awake.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
There's blood all over her face and all on the
back of her head.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Is she breathing? She no, she's okay, Okay. I'm getting
help started right now, and then I'm going to tell
you exactly what to do. Okay, okay, And That is.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Where it all starts.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
A friend of world class biker Mo Mariah found dead
in the friends apartment.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Caitlin Cash. What does this and no woman call reveal?
This is the call.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
There you are seeing newly obtained body cam video.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
There's the friend.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
There's Caitlin Cash who comes home to find the bullet
ridden body of her friend cornered trapped in the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Listen, Okay, lay her flat on her back on the
floor and remove anything under her head. Let me know
when that's done.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
Yeah, there's nothing under her head.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Okay, she flat up her back on the floor. Yeah, carefully.
I'm going to tell you how to do chest compressions. Caitlyn.
Place the heel of your hand on the breastbone right
between the nipples, and put your other hand on top
of that hand.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Then pump the chest hard and fast, at least twice
per second and two inches deep. Okay, let the chest
come all the way up between pumps. We're gonna do
this until help can take over. Count out loud so
I can count with you. Right between the breastbone exactly, like,
right between the nipples, right in the center of her chest.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And that is the way Mini prosecutors, including myself, and
I was still trying cases start a trial, to take
the jury.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Back to the moment, the moment when.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
A body is discovered, that harrowing time, those minutes when
someone's trying to revive the victim.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And of course you want to weigh the credibility.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Of the person that calls nine one one, because very
often statistically the person that finds the body is the killer,
but not so in this case. And that nine one
one call from the friend Caitlin Cash, set off a
series of events that took the FEDS, basically government bounty
hunters all the way around the world to try and
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find Moe's killer.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Listen, just pump part of fast and then count out
loud so I can count with you.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
One, two, three, four, five, It's.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Good, keep going eleven.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Twelve, thirteen, fourteen, eighteen, thirteen, twenty.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
That's good, cat, don't stop, keep going.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You're doing good, the friend, dissolving into tears as she
tries to revive Mariah, the world class dirt biker in
her twenties, up and coming, just hitting the charts. I
remember distinctly when Moe was found murdered, joining me an
(04:27):
all start paddle to make sense of what we are
learning right now. To Troy Slayton, first of all, high
profile criminal defense attorney joining us out of LA it's
pretty hard to even fathom that this could have been
a random killing because Mariah was found wedged in between
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the commode and the wall, which is a very tight spot.
Bullets fired at close range, and you know, Troy Slayton,
we could determine that if gunshot residue is found on
the body, which proves that the shot was from at
least thirty six or less inches away, so it was
(05:10):
close range. Slaton, this wasn't no random shooting that was
determined very quickly, Troy.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Just because the shooting is at close range, Nancy, doesn't
mean that this wasn't some sort of breaking.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Maybe she surprised the burglar.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
Maybe she surprised somebody who was doing some sort of
home invasion or looking for something, and she came out unexpectedly.
Just because there's no gunshot residue, No, just because there
is gunshot residue rather doesn't mean that this wasn't some
sort of random ac Troy.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Do you ever get tired of just spinning out bs?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Because I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
If you answer truthfully, you will admit that when there
are burglaries, typically when a burglar is interrupted.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
They run.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
They don't want you. They don't want a murder charge.
They want your TV and your VCR. That's what they want.
They want cash, they want drugs, they want jewelry, not you.
Nobody wants to catch It's over a burglary, that's bs.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
This is in Austin, and there's a lot of dangerous
folks in Austin.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And this is a lot of dangerous folks, as you say,
all over the country.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
There are, but Nancy, Okay, and that made a lot
of sense. This is a closed bathroom. This is a
small space, so any kind of shot inside the bathroom
is going to be a close range by definition. This
wasn't some sort of men.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Pretty established that you're just like, okay, we already said
that it's close range.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
We know that you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Moving forward, I want to get off the fact that
this was a targeted shooting, which it was, to.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
A shot reveal about how.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The FEDS try to catch down Mariah's killer. But we've
just obtained body can bodycam of the friend, Caitlin Cash.
Let's watch, let's see what police found at the scene.
Speaker 9 (07:09):
Awesome, Okay, yeah, I have shot.
Speaker 10 (07:32):
Heard any shots and are now no, that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, see yourself from you are seeing nearly obtained bodycam
footage of what officers find when they first get there.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
That's the Austin p D.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And you see the terrified look on the friend, Caitlyn
Cash's face.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Now we get our first clue as to the identity
of the killer. Listen, freak Colin, Yeah, you know, yeah
he went and our friends are I mean like acquaintances.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You don't know what.
Speaker 11 (08:17):
Harry Drives is a cyclist, a cyclist, I live in
this area.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
He lives in South Austin. Who is Colin Strickland right there?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
As you're standing over the dead body of Mo Mariah
the dirt biker, they get the name Colin Strickland. Listen
to Colin Strickland when police go and find him.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
So you know Anna.
Speaker 11 (08:51):
Mo. Yeah, everybody calls from love man monk last night's
Wilson writer. She's a writer for you. There's really easy
(09:12):
way to say this, sir.
Speaker 12 (09:12):
So apparently last night she passed away?
Speaker 13 (09:20):
How did.
Speaker 14 (09:22):
She?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Right? Now, it's a it's an open investigation, but it
is being investigated as a.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Homicide crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Back to Troy Slayton, the veteran defense attorney joining us
out of LA.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Let's see that again. As I'm talking to Slayton.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
This is newly obtained Bodykim footage.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
They get the name Colin Strickland.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He's a cyclist at the murder scene from the friend.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
They find him. This Troy is when they.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Go tell him and he learns Mariah is dead, watch
him because that's what Ellie law enforcement is doing.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
They're watching his reaction. Troy.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Absolutely, they're looking at everything, they're recording it, and they're
talking to him and all of this could be potential evidence.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And he doesn't seem that shocked at all.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
He seems kind of nonchalant, his hands on his hips
as he says, oh, do we know how it happened?
At first, after he declines saying that he knows who
Moe is and he knows Darmo.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I disagree with you because he goes, Anna, Mo, yeah,
I see what you're saying. But then pretty quickly he goes,
yes I do. She's a gravel rider. Yes, I do
know her, And then they tell him but I do
agree with you, and I'd like to see it control room.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I want to judge it just like police did.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
He seems, as you say, very non chalant as they
are telling him that Mariah, the woman he just had
dinner with in less.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Than twenty four hours before, is dead.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Straight out to Alexis Terzschak, crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter Alexis,
please explain the connection between Mariah Mo the dirt bike champion,
and Colin Strickland. Why are they looking at Colin Strickland.
Speaker 15 (11:25):
So Colin is a very successful bike rider, Moe was
also in this world.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
They actually had a relationship.
Speaker 15 (11:33):
They had been dating for a brief while and then
so then they were together in Austin, Texas, where he lived,
but she was visiting. She had come into town for
a bike race.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They met up.
Speaker 15 (11:44):
She was staying with her friend. He took her and
they went swimming in Austin and then hit like a
public swimming pool, and then they went out to dinner together.
And that is why the police are there. Because the
girl that she was staying with, Kate Lacashus. The last
person she was with was Colin. They went swimming, they
went out together. I know they were together. She's staying
with me and so that's why police went to see Colin.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
As police retrace Wilson's steps the night she dies, they
learned the person that she had dinner plans with was
Colin Strickland, another cyclist and a past love interest. The
pair first went for a swim at deep Eddie Pool,
then it was off to dinner at Poolberger. After dinner,
Strickland dropped Wilson off at her friend's house and went
home to the house he shares with his girlfriend. A
(12:29):
Texas yoga instructor linked to the shooting death of a
standout cyclist. How did us marshalls track the runaway suspect
and how does a nose job come into play?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Straight back out to Alexis, Tereschuk, explain what we're seeing, Alexis.
Speaker 15 (12:47):
So this is a ring camera on a door near
right by the Caitlyn Cash's house. Kaitlyn Cash is the
friend of Mo Wilson, where Moe was staying when she
was in town. What you're seeing is a black jeep Cherokee,
and it is driving by and it's daylight here, so
you can see it drive by, casing the place where
Moe was staying. She's actually staying in the back house
(13:08):
of this main house. It's like an apartment in the
back of the house, and so that shows two different
angles of the same car driving by within seconds of
each other.
Speaker 12 (13:19):
Our investigation shows that before her death, Wilson was in
the company of Colin Strickland. The preliminary investigation revealed that
Colin dropped Wilson off at seventeen oh eight Maple Avenue
at approximately eight thirty six pm. Investigators obtained ring camera
video from the neighborhood the capture a vehicle at seventeen
oh eight Maple Avenue within two minutes of the time
Colin dropped off Wilson. It was later discovered that vehicle
(13:42):
was registered to Colin's girlfriend, Caitlin Armstrong.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Straight out to Special Guests joining US.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
IRV Brandt, former Senior Inspector at the US Marshall's Service
International Investigations Branch, who has traveled all around the world
hunting down bad guys and glam yoga instructors wanted for murder.
He is the author of a series of mysteries on Amazon,
(14:08):
the Jack Solos. His most recent forever solo, Night of
the Dragon.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
IRV Brandt.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
She's caught on video circling like a vulture around the
home where the victim is staying, just before Mariah is murdered.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You'd think should be easy to catch, right.
Speaker 16 (14:29):
Well, yes, Nancy, you would assume that that you have
identified a suspect. You have them on camera, so it
would be easy, you know, to get that.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, in a perfect world, your mouth to Gadzier, Right, Well,
it didn't work out that way.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (14:49):
The Awesome Police Department's tech intel unit located calling at
his residence and he agreed to an interview. Armstrong was
transported to the main police station and interview. Armstrong was
questioning about her vehicle being in the area as pictured
on the ring camera.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
However, she would not confirm or deny.
Speaker 12 (15:05):
Being in the area of the murder and quickly terminated
the interview.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing, Alexis terschuk Thy
glam you instructor, Caitlin Armstrong. They brought her in for questioning.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Right, they let her go. Why did they let her go?
Speaker 15 (15:27):
Well, it was a big mix up on their parts.
So there was an outstanding warrant for her arrest that
because she had not paid the bill for botox treatment
she had, so the police arrested her or brought her
in because of this outstanding warrant. This is the first
thing they bring her in. They put her in this
room to talk to her. Really, they want to talk
about what happened with Mo Wilson, Colin Strickland, her boyfriend instead,
(15:50):
so they say to her, you're not under arrest, you're
here because well, there was this outstanding warrant. However, there
was a mix up on the form and it said
it had a different birthdate, so all the police then thought,
oh no, this isn't the right warrant for her, so
we can't really hold her and we have to let
her go. But they kept trying and trying and trying
to get her to talk about why her car was
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seen at Moe Wilson's place and she went home in.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Just a minute.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Elezis Tereschuk too many words, way too many words. So
they find out that her boyfriend, Collins Trickland, has dinner
with Mo, the murder victim, and her car. Yoga guru
is circling the murder, saying just before the murder, two
(16:38):
plus two I think still egals four.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
So bottom line.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
They get her on an outstanding warrant where she got
botox and went ooh, I've.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Got the wrong credit card. Let me go get the
right one out of the car leaves and now it
comes back.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Then on that warrant they have the wrong DOB and
she slips away. But guess what I've got. Nealie obtained
of her in the interview and listen, now we know
she murdered mo over a Hamburger with her boyfriend, and
(17:11):
this is why she's upset.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Listen, you love.
Speaker 12 (17:15):
Foster arrested me in front of my house, in front
of all of my neighbors and carried me in here
in handcuffs.
Speaker 15 (17:19):
In front of ye incredibly imagine.
Speaker 13 (17:24):
Yeah, and I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Joining me right now is special guest Josephine Winsle. She
is Crystal Mitchell's mother. Crystal Mitchell was brutally beaten and
murdered by mister Wright R. J. McLeod marine pumped full
(17:48):
of steroids, who murders Crystal and then abscon's leaves and
goes all around the world. Josephine comes out of retire
previous detective and devotes her life to finding her daughter's killer. Josephine,
(18:08):
do you hear what we're saying? Mariah is going down
multiple times in close quarters. Caitlin Armstrong is brought in
on a botox warrant and she's whining that she was
humiliated when she was arrested.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Really, these people are just you know, niceissistic people, and
you know, well through the police oft, isn't it. And
it allowed them to let them go and let her run,
which is ridiculous. I mean, data bird, Na, she's a
still elder somehow, and throw that up, or at least
watched her.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Let me throwand former US Marshall erv a little embarrassed
for law enforcement right now. They let her go, which
led to this wild goose chase all around the country.
Speaker 16 (19:01):
Yes, Nancy, it is embarrassing. Anytime that you're conducting an investigation,
like a murder investigation, there's a set of protocols that
you go through and these protocols have to be followed,
and you have a defense attorney on the panel. He'll
tell you that if the police mess up, that's what
they're going to jump on. So they obviously didn't follow
(19:24):
the protocols exactly and ended up having to release her.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
You know what, let's.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Just have a little refresher of Brandt. I mean, I
hate to rub it in your nose. How big of
a screw up this is. But to doctor Michelle Dupree,
re now forensic pathologist, he shot to the nation's consciousness
during the Alex Murdog trial and the double murders of
(19:50):
wife Maggie and son Paul, author of Money, Mischief and
Murder the Murdog Dynasty. The rest of the story, but
from my purposes, the author of homicide investigation Field Guy,
doctor Dupre, could you describe Mariah's wounds?
Speaker 13 (20:05):
So, yes, Nancy, So they were there was a head woods,
also a wound to the back of the head, and
there was a woman directly to her heart. Basically, they
were range. There was simpling on these wounds.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
They were meant to be lethal, Doctor Dupre. Did you
say that Mariah was shot in the heart.
Speaker 13 (20:25):
Yes, she was shot in the chest.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
In the heart, Doctor Dupree, I find it very difficult
to believe that someone was accidentally or coincidentally shot in
the heart at close range.
Speaker 13 (20:35):
No, Nancy, this was a targeted This was intentional. These
woods were meant to be lethal. They were those personal
and they hit the vital places, the head and the heart.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Doctor Jeff Kalsowski joining us. Forensic psychologist, author of Dark Sides.
You can find him on YouTube at doctor Jeff Kaloshowski,
Forensic Psychologist. Doctor Jeff, thank you for being with us.
I'm just a trial lawyer. You're the shrink.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
But I know that.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
There is a psychological implication when a victim is shot
in the heart, right, And like.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
The medical examiner mentioned, this is a very personal murder.
It's a very efficient murder. It's done in the apartment,
in the bathroom, one way in, one way out. There's
no evidence of the struggle. This was an assassination for sure.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Given the fact that Mariah, in her twenties, is gunned down,
wedged into the bathroom in a tiny space.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I want you to hear.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Not only is the glam yoga instructor Kaylin Armstrong whining
that she was quote incredibly humiliated when she was arrested
on her botox warrant. Woman, Yet she's humiliated. Listen to
what she says.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
When they were asking her about what happened.
Speaker 15 (21:55):
So what were you doing yesterday?
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I would like to leave?
Speaker 15 (21:59):
I think you would like to leave? Yeah, Okay, talking
to tonight. I don't actually know, and I would like
to leave.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Okay, is there any explanation as far as why the
vehicle would be over there?
Speaker 10 (22:15):
I would like to leave.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I'm prettylead.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Okay, you're the jealous love rival stock Moe Wilson and
who called nine one one after the star cyclist was shot.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Sounds so directly Aboven shot her.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's a personal and look up the girlfriend, Caitlyn Armstrong,
yoga teacher.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You can please the sud.
Speaker 11 (22:36):
The murder is the readiest case in Texas.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Well. I got to give it to Lifetime with.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
The yoga teacher killer, the Kaitlyn Armstrong story, and they
got that right.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
That's pretty much the way prosecutors say.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
The whole thing went down before Kaitlin Armstrong vanished into
thin air.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So how did the feds track her?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
What rous did they use to try to find the
glam yoga instructor halfway.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Around the world That was from our.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Friends at Lifetime, But as glamorously as that murder was
portrayed in the Kaitlin Armstrong story, the killer yoga teacher.
Let's have a little dose all shot of reality.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The day after cops questioned Armstrong, she unloads her Jeep
Grand Cherokee for twelve thousand dollars to a CarMax in
South Austin, the same jeep that appears on surveillance video
in the area where Moe Wilson was gunned down. Police
realize Kaitlin Armstrong is nowhere to be found. Armstrong is
captured on surveillance footage at the ABIA the Austin Bergstrom
International Airport, boarding a flight bound for Houston, then onto
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New York. After tracking Armstrong to New York's LaGuardia Airport,
she seems to vanish into thin air. Armstrong is then
dropped off at Newark Liberty International Airport, but note reservations
were ever found, and it isn't clear if she simply
disappeared again from this airport.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Now, how this woman can appear at various airports and
then vanish from an airport.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Alexis Tereschuk.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
She spotted at Lagordia, then she's spotted at Newark, just
walking through the airport, very calmly, as calm as she
was in that police interview, and then she vanishes.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
We have her on video and she vanishes.
Speaker 15 (24:36):
Alexis so there was no record of her taking any
flights out. After she lands in New York, she goes
from one airport to the other. However, her sister lived
right near this airport, and police then believe that she
took her sister's passport if they look fairly similar to
each other, and led the country to Troy.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Slayton joining us a veteran trial lawyer out of La Troy.
Don't you think it looks worse if and when the
killer is apprehended and they go in front of a jury,
The jury absolutely can hear evidence of flight.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
They can hear that.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This woman somehow managed to elude authorities. They'll find out
about the prior botox warrant. They'll see the interviews where
she wanted to leave. That it's not a comment on
your right to remain silent. She wanted to leave. They
can hear that. And so saying oh, yeah, I was
at Walmart, I was at Costco.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
No, no, no. When she's asked.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Where were you at the time Mariah was gunned down,
she asked to leave, they'll hear that. Then they'll hear
she disappeared from Newark Careport.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Not only will they hear it, but the judge will
give an instruction that says that evidence that flight and
running is consciousness of guilt, and they may use that
evidence as consciousness of guilt. But you know, look, I'm
not in the business of defending the police here. But
the police did the absolute right thing in not holding
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her on a warrant with a wrong birthdate, because we
don't want to hold people who are not the right
people on wrong warrants, not even for one second. So
the police did the absolute right thing.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
The warrant wasn't wrong, the dob was wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But I appreciate you parsing words and splitting hairs.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
That's what we do, Nancy, to make sure that not
even one innocent person suffers the wrath of the government.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know what. I appreciate you climbing up yet again
on your soapbox.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
But let's be honest about the law.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Where there is a minor defect in a warrant, it's
been uphild by the US Supreme Court, remember them up
in Washington, the US Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court
has ruled that a minor defect in a warrant, be
it or rest, does not negate the validity.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Of the warrant. You also been a later case to
refresh your recollection.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
This is the wrong birth date.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
So there's a lot of people with that same digit.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
By one digit, same name, same description, same height, same weight,
same finger prints, same everything.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Just the DNB is offer.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
I'm friends with four Troy Slayton's on Facebook because I
thought it was funny. And so just because somebody has
the same name doesn't mean that it's the same person.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You know what, Troy, I'm so happy for you that
you have friends now on Facebook. But to Josephine Wentzel
joining us, her daughter was murdered Crystal Mitchell.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
And her killer jacked up on steroids.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Goes halfway around and with a serious rap sheet of
domestic violence, flees and goes halfway around the world.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
What do you make of it, Josephine, that.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Caitlin Armstrong just disappears in New York's Liberty Never see
it again.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
It was a liner, like you said, a minor defect. Okay,
it was a very serious case. What would it cost
her for inconvenience if they held her and made the
phone call to find out is this the person or not?
It was a very serious case. Rather than saying Oh wow,
you fit the profile and everything, but you have their
own data birth so we'll let you go. And you know,
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there's nothing on the borders to stop criminals from fleeing
into other countries. So nobody's alerted that this person wanted
it is going to flee the country. And that's another
issue that I'm pushing, by the way, with the Marshals
and with the States, and we're taking it to Washington
about having having an alert to alert as when these
people are going to cross over when they wanted.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And then investigators, basically US bounty hunters, the US Marshals,
who I hold in great esteem, do some old fashioned
police work.
Speaker 14 (28:56):
Investigators turned to old fashioned police work, managing to track
down the phone number of an American businessman they believe
had connected with Armstrong. At some point, he was sent
pictures of Caitlin and says he's seen her, but she
doesn't look like that anymore. She had cut her hair
and dyed it red, and she's going by the name Beth.
He said he met her at a yoga studio in Jocko.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Now to find Caitlin Armstrong, the so called glam yoga teacher, how.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Did she vanish?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
In the airport at Liberty International that's in Newark. How
did that happen? The place is like a casino in Vegas.
It's covered, it's blanketed and security cameras. Yet she did
it straight out to IRV Brandt. LA law enforcement then
gets fixated on the fact that Caitlin Armstrong's sister lost
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her passport.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Then what happened?
Speaker 16 (29:50):
Well, Nancy, that's that's the break in the case. When
you're hunting a fugitive, you're looking at family members, and
the sisters said that her passport was lost. Well, a
search of the records of the flight records show that
there was a flight in her that she booked a
flight in her name to Costa Rica, and that led
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investigators to believe that it was actually Caitlin Armstrong and
not her sister. In Costa Rica.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the Feds shock move to
hunt down the glam yoga guru and the love rival murder.
It's revealed how did they get her listen.
Speaker 14 (30:47):
Us Marshalls used one of their own female operatives going
to yoga classes to see if they could spot Armstrong.
Turns out people had seen Armstrong at local spots in
San Theresa, but they didn't realize who she was. She
was hiding in planes using different names like Beth and Ari.
Investigators turned to local Facebook page, taking out an ad
for a yoga instructor to see what would happen. After
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a week, a reply identifying herself as a yoga instructor
pretending to be a tourist, and investigator goes into a
hostel trying to get a good look at the woman.
She resembles Caitlin, but not one hundred percent. As he
got close to the woman, he sees a bandage on
her nose and her lips are swollen, but the eyes
are the same. Now investigators know why they have had
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so much trouble finding Armstrong. She had been getting plastic surgery.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
IRV brand This is second verse, same as the first
again and I'm talking about the killer r J.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Mccloyd.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
What is Kaitlin Armstrong doing in Costa Rica. She's teaching
yoga ding ding ding ding, same thing with McLeod. So
let me understand IRV Brandt and the case. And she
with Caitlin Armstrong, the yoga teacher. The US Marshals, the
FEDS actually use a female operative and what does the
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operative do.
Speaker 16 (32:07):
Well, the operative is looking for the fugitive in an
area that the fugitive is known to be comfortable with,
and that would be teaching yoga, So the spots that
yoga teachers would frequent and that area in general.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I guess it's not a huge leap to look for
her teaching yoga. And then they run into the American
businessman where they track him down that states he had
seen her, but she didn't look the.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Same, and that he had met her in a yoga studio.
So again not a far leap.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But to doctor Michelle Dupree, she was barely recognizable because
of plastic surgery that had to hurt.
Speaker 13 (32:56):
Yes, Nancy absolutely, and you know the swelling on the face,
all of this. She's gonna heal, but she is gonna
look different, and she's going to also confuse any facial recognition.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Doctor Jeff Kalashwski, the length this woman went to, that's
going to impress a jury.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
What does that tell you, Well.
Speaker 10 (33:12):
It's going to impress a jury that she was obviously
being deceitful trying to hide her identity. And then the
big question is why did you feel I need to
do that, and that's the kind of question the jury's
gonna ask.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
IRV Brandt? Is this common?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
IRV Brandt has spent his entire career chasing down the
bad guys with the US Marshall Service. He's traveled all
over the world for them and is now a successful author.
I wonder who Jack Solo could be. But that said,
we see it in the movies Earth. But is it
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common for wanted murderers to actually have plastic surgery, sometimes.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Even trying to get rid of their fingerprints?
Speaker 16 (33:54):
It is Nancy, someone who knows that they're being They
know that they're being followed, that people are looking for them,
that their faces have been on the news. The most
common thing uh with fugitive is to change your facial appearance.
Whether it's cutting off all your hair if you have
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long hair, it's dyeing your hair, if you have red hair,
maybe changing it to brown hair, to you know, trying
to change some of your facial features. And it usually
starts with the nose and to throw off facial recognition.
Anything that you can do to hide from the person
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that you were before.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Doctor Duprie, this is very extensive surgery. Did you see
those shots and then she tried to tell somebody she
was hitting the nose with a surfboard. Okay, what did
all that surgery entail, Doctor Duprie.
Speaker 13 (34:51):
Nancy, that's a lot, not to mention the expense of it,
but you're basically reconstructing major portions of her face. First
of all, this took a long time, and secondly, it
was expensive.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Alexis Terresschuk, how was she living? Wasn't she in a
youth hostel?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
She was.
Speaker 15 (35:07):
She was living in a small beach town in Costa
Rica and just a hostel, which is really less than
a hotel.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
And she was really.
Speaker 15 (35:15):
Running out of money. So she had sold her car
for twelve thousand dollars. She sold it, you know, the
day after she murdered mo. But that money was running
out because she spent seventy five hundred of that on
plastic surgery in Mexico to change her So she was.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Looking for a job.
Speaker 15 (35:31):
She was trying to get a job in the hostel.
She was trying to get jobs anywhere around town. But
the only thing that she was hoping to try to
do was maybe to get a job as a yoga instructor.
So when there was an ad for a yoga instructor.
She immediately jumped at this.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
A new country, a new nose, and a new job,
all pieces of a puzzle that leads to the international
arrest of her murderer.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
The fads shock moved to hount down the glam yoga
guru in her love Rivals murder.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
What do they do? They got a.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Female operative to go undercover and go into the yoga
scene in Costa Rica looking for a needle in a haystack.
After an American businessman says he's seen Caitlin Armstrong but
she quote looked different that he had met her in
a yoga studio. So they send this female operative. I
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got to hand it to him or Brandt. They made
good after the big booboo of a local law enforcement
letting her slip through their fingers. After her botox warrant
and a murder, they get a female operative to go
undercover all around Costa Rica until finally she sees a
woman that kind of resembles Caitlin Armstrong. It was pretty
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smart herv Then they placed a yoga.
Speaker 16 (36:52):
Ad uh Nancy tricky us Marshalls thinking outside the box,
and they used a an investigative tool ruse or lure,
whatever you want to call it, it's very common technique
and to work.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Doctor Jeff Kelshewski joining US forensics psychologist and author of
Dark Sides, Doctor Jeff.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
The way she managed to talk her.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Way out of that police interview, the way she managed
to fenangle her sister's passport and go all around the country,
get plastic surgery in Costa Rica, and hide out under
an assumed name.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
But she answered an ad for a yoga teacher.
Speaker 10 (37:35):
Right, I mean, the termine narcissism came up. And how
many times on these programs that we talked about killers
being tripped up by their own narcissism. She probably thought
she got away with it. She thought she took all
the right steps, and she thought she was in the clear,
and then she opened herself up and made herself more vulnerable.
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And kudos to law enforcement. You know, one important rule
is to know yourself respect well. The obviously knew a
lot about her, and they knew what kind of bait
could pull her out from the shadows and make her
vulnerable and expose herself where they could apprehend her.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You know, doctor Jeff, you would think someone that had
been this wily like her, like R. J. McLeod would
recognize a trap like an ad for a yoga teacher.
You want a yoga teacher, go to the yoga studio.
It's one walk away. How many are there in Costa Rica?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
So long story short, they both fail.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
For it, and I believe it's arrogance, as you say, narcissism.
Speaker 10 (38:36):
It's a false confidence. I'm so wonderful, I'm so tricky,
I'm so good at what I just did. I'm in
the clear. A false confidence that came back to bite her.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I mean, Josephine Winsel, all those years you were waiting
for the US marshals to find your daughter's killer.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
How did that feel to you?
Speaker 7 (39:00):
It was cruciating and it was very frustrating, especially when
COVID happened, and I knew that even if we got
a tip, then nobody's going to go over there to
look for them. It was very frustrating. I did a
lot of you know, in between time I searching for him,
I was writing a lot to a Congress, the White House.
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I was just trying to shake them up in DC
to like do something here. And then it got to
the point where we were getting a lot of tips
in and the embassy couldn't respond, so they were like,
We're not going to respond to all of your tips.
So then it became even more frustrating, and I'm like,
why am I wasting all my time in front of
the computer searching it? Then I going to check the
gifts out and so it was very, very frustrating. But
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I had to credit the marshals because they were patient,
they were consistent, and they were trying everything they could
to respond to all my tips considering they were not
in that country, so it was a very difficult process.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
In case you're wondering what happens after Kaitlin Armstrong is
apprehended in Costa Rica and extradited.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Home, well.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Ken a Leopard ever changed their spots listen.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Kaitlyn Armstrong has been locked up in the Travis County
Correction Complex since she was brought back from Costa Rica,
But she didn't just sit in her sell and gain weight.
Kaitlin Armstrong decided to take advantage of the time she
had in county by working out a lot. Just weeks
before her trial was set to start, Armstrong claimed to
have an injury and she was allowed to go to
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an outside medical appointment Armstrong requested that leg restraints not
be used on her, and that was granted. Armstrong was
escorted to her appointment by two deputies, and when the
office visit was over, as she was headed back to
the car to go back to jail, Kaitlin Armstrong took
off running. The deputies gave chase.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's right, Kaitlin Armstrong actually running. She faked a doctor's
appointment and makes an escape attempt.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Some things never change.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Caitlin Armstrong convicted in the murder of Mariah and.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I advise whatever CI is holding her now keep a
watch on her.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Fed's reveal their shock move to hunt down the glam
yoga instructor in her love Rivals murder. How'd they do it?
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Up and coming star cyclist Mariah Moe Wilson dies after
an ambush. Her body found in her friend's bathroom, bloody
from gunshots.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What happened to Moe Wilson? What happened to Mariah? And
what is.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The secret strategy the RUSS the shot reveal Fed's used
to try and track down her killer.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
It all starts here.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Okay, tell me exactly what happened.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
My friend is staying with me and I just walked
in and she's laying on the bathroom floor. There's blood everywhere,
and I don't I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
How old is she?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
She's twenty six?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Okay. Is she awake?
Speaker 7 (01:12):
She's not awake.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
There's blood all over her face and all on the
back of her head.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Is she breathing? She no, she's okay, Okay. I'm getting
help started right now, and then I'm going to tell
you exactly what to do. Okay, okay, And That is.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Where it all starts.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
A friend of world class biker Mo Mariah found dead
in the friends apartment.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Caitlin Cash. What does this and no woman call reveal?
This is the call.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
There you are seeing newly obtained body cam video.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
There's the friend.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
There's Caitlin Cash who comes home to find the bullet
ridden body of her friend cornered trapped in the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Listen, Okay, lay her flat on her back on the
floor and remove anything under her head. Let me know
when that's done.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
Yeah, there's nothing under her head.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Okay, she flat up her back on the floor. Yeah, carefully.
I'm going to tell you how to do chest compressions. Caitlyn.
Place the heel of your hand on the breastbone right
between the nipples, and put your other hand on top
of that hand.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Then pump the chest hard and fast, at least twice
per second and two inches deep. Okay, let the chest
come all the way up between pumps. We're gonna do
this until help can take over. Count out loud so
I can count with you. Right between the breastbone exactly, like,
right between the nipples, right in the center of her chest.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And that is the way Mini prosecutors, including myself, and
I was still trying cases start a trial, to take
the jury.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Back to the moment, the moment when.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
A body is discovered, that harrowing time, those minutes when
someone's trying to revive the victim.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And of course you want to weigh the credibility.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Of the person that calls nine one one, because very
often statistically the person that finds the body is the killer,
but not so in this case. And that nine one
one call from the friend Caitlin Cash, set off a
series of events that took the FEDS, basically government bounty
hunters all the way around the world to try and
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find Moe's killer.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Listen, just pump part of fast and then count out
loud so I can count with you.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
One, two, three, four, five, It's.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Good, keep going eleven.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Twelve, thirteen, fourteen, eighteen, thirteen, twenty.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
That's good, cat, don't stop, keep going.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You're doing good, the friend, dissolving into tears as she
tries to revive Mariah, the world class dirt biker in
her twenties, up and coming, just hitting the charts. I
remember distinctly when Moe was found murdered, joining me an
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all start paddle to make sense of what we are
learning right now. To Troy Slayton, first of all, high
profile criminal defense attorney joining us out of LA it's
pretty hard to even fathom that this could have been
a random killing because Mariah was found wedged in between
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the commode and the wall, which is a very tight spot.
Bullets fired at close range, and you know, Troy Slayton,
we could determine that if gunshot residue is found on
the body, which proves that the shot was from at
least thirty six or less inches away, so it was
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close range. Slaton, this wasn't no random shooting that was
determined very quickly, Troy.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Just because the shooting is at close range, Nancy, doesn't
mean that this wasn't some sort of breaking.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Maybe she surprised the burglar.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
Maybe she surprised somebody who was doing some sort of
home invasion or looking for something, and she came out unexpectedly.
Just because there's no gunshot residue, No, just because there
is gunshot residue rather doesn't mean that this wasn't some
sort of random ac Troy.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Do you ever get tired of just spinning out bs?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Because I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
If you answer truthfully, you will admit that when there
are burglaries, typically when a burglar is interrupted.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
They run.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
They don't want you. They don't want a murder charge.
They want your TV and your VCR. That's what they want.
They want cash, they want drugs, they want jewelry, not you.
Nobody wants to catch It's over a burglary, that's bs.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
This is in Austin, and there's a lot of dangerous
folks in Austin.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And this is a lot of dangerous folks, as you say,
all over the country.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
There are, but Nancy, Okay, and that made a lot
of sense. This is a closed bathroom. This is a
small space, so any kind of shot inside the bathroom
is going to be a close range by definition. This
wasn't some sort of men.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Pretty established that you're just like, okay, we already said
that it's close range.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
We know that you know what.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Moving forward, I want to get off the fact that
this was a targeted shooting, which it was, to.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
A shot reveal about how.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The FEDS try to catch down Mariah's killer. But we've
just obtained body can bodycam of the friend, Caitlin Cash.
Let's watch, let's see what police found at the scene.
Speaker 9 (07:09):
Awesome, Okay, yeah, I have shot.
Speaker 10 (07:32):
Heard any shots and are now no, that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, see yourself from you are seeing nearly obtained bodycam
footage of what officers find when they first get there.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
That's the Austin p D.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And you see the terrified look on the friend, Caitlyn
Cash's face.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Now we get our first clue as to the identity
of the killer. Listen, freak Colin, Yeah, you know, yeah
he went and our friends are I mean like acquaintances.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You don't know what.
Speaker 11 (08:17):
Harry Drives is a cyclist, a cyclist, I live in
this area.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
He lives in South Austin. Who is Colin Strickland right there?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
As you're standing over the dead body of Mo Mariah
the dirt biker, they get the name Colin Strickland. Listen
to Colin Strickland when police go and find him.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
So you know Anna.
Speaker 11 (08:51):
Mo. Yeah, everybody calls from love man monk last night's
Wilson writer. She's a writer for you. There's really easy
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way to say this, sir.
Speaker 12 (09:12):
So apparently last night she passed away?
Speaker 13 (09:20):
How did.
Speaker 14 (09:22):
She?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Right? Now, it's a it's an open investigation, but it
is being investigated as a.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Homicide crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Back to Troy Slayton, the veteran defense attorney joining us
out of LA.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Let's see that again. As I'm talking to Slayton.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
This is newly obtained Bodykim footage.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
They get the name Colin Strickland.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He's a cyclist at the murder scene from the friend.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
They find him. This Troy is when they.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Go tell him and he learns Mariah is dead, watch
him because that's what Ellie law enforcement is doing.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
They're watching his reaction. Troy.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Absolutely, they're looking at everything, they're recording it, and they're
talking to him and all of this could be potential evidence.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And he doesn't seem that shocked at all.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
He seems kind of nonchalant, his hands on his hips
as he says, oh, do we know how it happened?
At first, after he declines saying that he knows who
Moe is and he knows Darmo.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I disagree with you because he goes, Anna, Mo, yeah,
I see what you're saying. But then pretty quickly he goes,
yes I do. She's a gravel rider. Yes, I do
know her, And then they tell him but I do
agree with you, and I'd like to see it control room.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I want to judge it just like police did.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
He seems, as you say, very non chalant as they
are telling him that Mariah, the woman he just had
dinner with in less.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Than twenty four hours before, is dead.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Straight out to Alexis Terzschak, crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter Alexis,
please explain the connection between Mariah Mo the dirt bike champion,
and Colin Strickland. Why are they looking at Colin Strickland.
Speaker 15 (11:25):
So Colin is a very successful bike rider, Moe was
also in this world.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
They actually had a relationship.
Speaker 15 (11:33):
They had been dating for a brief while and then
so then they were together in Austin, Texas, where he lived,
but she was visiting. She had come into town for
a bike race.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They met up.
Speaker 15 (11:44):
She was staying with her friend. He took her and
they went swimming in Austin and then hit like a
public swimming pool, and then they went out to dinner together.
And that is why the police are there. Because the
girl that she was staying with, Kate Lacashus. The last
person she was with was Colin. They went swimming, they
went out together. I know they were together. She's staying
with me and so that's why police went to see Colin.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
As police retrace Wilson's steps the night she dies, they
learned the person that she had dinner plans with was
Colin Strickland, another cyclist and a past love interest. The
pair first went for a swim at deep Eddie Pool,
then it was off to dinner at Poolberger. After dinner,
Strickland dropped Wilson off at her friend's house and went
home to the house he shares with his girlfriend. A
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Texas yoga instructor linked to the shooting death of a
standout cyclist. How did us marshalls track the runaway suspect
and how does a nose job come into play?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Straight back out to Alexis, Tereschuk, explain what we're seeing, Alexis.
Speaker 15 (12:47):
So this is a ring camera on a door near
right by the Caitlyn Cash's house. Kaitlyn Cash is the
friend of Mo Wilson, where Moe was staying when she
was in town. What you're seeing is a black jeep Cherokee,
and it is driving by and it's daylight here, so
you can see it drive by, casing the place where
Moe was staying. She's actually staying in the back house
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of this main house. It's like an apartment in the
back of the house, and so that shows two different
angles of the same car driving by within seconds of
each other.
Speaker 12 (13:19):
Our investigation shows that before her death, Wilson was in
the company of Colin Strickland. The preliminary investigation revealed that
Colin dropped Wilson off at seventeen oh eight Maple Avenue
at approximately eight thirty six pm. Investigators obtained ring camera
video from the neighborhood the capture a vehicle at seventeen
oh eight Maple Avenue within two minutes of the time
Colin dropped off Wilson. It was later discovered that vehicle
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was registered to Colin's girlfriend, Caitlin Armstrong.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Straight out to Special Guests joining US.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
IRV Brandt, former Senior Inspector at the US Marshall's Service
International Investigations Branch, who has traveled all around the world
hunting down bad guys and glam yoga instructors wanted for murder.
He is the author of a series of mysteries on Amazon,
(14:08):
the Jack Solos. His most recent forever solo, Night of
the Dragon.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
IRV Brandt.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
She's caught on video circling like a vulture around the
home where the victim is staying, just before Mariah is murdered.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
You'd think should be easy to catch, right.
Speaker 16 (14:29):
Well, yes, Nancy, you would assume that that you have
identified a suspect. You have them on camera, so it
would be easy, you know, to get that.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, in a perfect world, your mouth to Gadzier, Right, Well,
it didn't work out that way.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (14:49):
The Awesome Police Department's tech intel unit located calling at
his residence and he agreed to an interview. Armstrong was
transported to the main police station and interview. Armstrong was
questioning about her vehicle being in the area as pictured
on the ring camera.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
However, she would not confirm or deny.
Speaker 12 (15:05):
Being in the area of the murder and quickly terminated
the interview.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing, Alexis terschuk Thy
glam you instructor, Caitlin Armstrong. They brought her in for questioning.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Right, they let her go. Why did they let her go?
Speaker 15 (15:27):
Well, it was a big mix up on their parts.
So there was an outstanding warrant for her arrest that
because she had not paid the bill for botox treatment
she had, so the police arrested her or brought her
in because of this outstanding warrant. This is the first
thing they bring her in. They put her in this
room to talk to her. Really, they want to talk
about what happened with Mo Wilson, Colin Strickland, her boyfriend instead,
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so they say to her, you're not under arrest, you're
here because well, there was this outstanding warrant. However, there
was a mix up on the form and it said
it had a different birthdate, so all the police then thought,
oh no, this isn't the right warrant for her, so
we can't really hold her and we have to let
her go. But they kept trying and trying and trying
to get her to talk about why her car was
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seen at Moe Wilson's place and she went home in.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Just a minute.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Elezis Tereschuk too many words, way too many words. So
they find out that her boyfriend, Collins Trickland, has dinner
with Mo, the murder victim, and her car. Yoga guru
is circling the murder, saying just before the murder, two
(16:38):
plus two I think still egals four.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
So bottom line.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
They get her on an outstanding warrant where she got
botox and went ooh, I've.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Got the wrong credit card. Let me go get the
right one out of the car leaves and now it
comes back.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Then on that warrant they have the wrong DOB and
she slips away. But guess what I've got. Nealie obtained
of her in the interview and listen, now we know
she murdered mo over a Hamburger with her boyfriend, and
(17:11):
this is why she's upset.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Listen, you love.
Speaker 12 (17:15):
Foster arrested me in front of my house, in front
of all of my neighbors and carried me in here
in handcuffs.
Speaker 15 (17:19):
In front of ye incredibly imagine.
Speaker 13 (17:24):
Yeah, and I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Joining me right now is special guest Josephine Winsle. She
is Crystal Mitchell's mother. Crystal Mitchell was brutally beaten and
murdered by mister Wright R. J. McLeod marine pumped full
(17:48):
of steroids, who murders Crystal and then abscon's leaves and
goes all around the world. Josephine comes out of retire
previous detective and devotes her life to finding her daughter's killer. Josephine,
(18:08):
do you hear what we're saying? Mariah is going down
multiple times in close quarters. Caitlin Armstrong is brought in
on a botox warrant and she's whining that she was
humiliated when she was arrested.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
Really, these people are just you know, niceissistic people, and
you know, well through the police oft, isn't it. And
it allowed them to let them go and let her run,
which is ridiculous. I mean, data bird, Na, she's a
still elder somehow, and throw that up, or at least
watched her.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Let me throwand former US Marshall erv a little embarrassed
for law enforcement right now. They let her go, which
led to this wild goose chase all around the country.
Speaker 16 (19:01):
Yes, Nancy, it is embarrassing. Anytime that you're conducting an investigation,
like a murder investigation, there's a set of protocols that
you go through and these protocols have to be followed,
and you have a defense attorney on the panel. He'll
tell you that if the police mess up, that's what
they're going to jump on. So they obviously didn't follow
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the protocols exactly and ended up having to release her.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
You know what, let's.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Just have a little refresher of Brandt. I mean, I
hate to rub it in your nose. How big of
a screw up this is. But to doctor Michelle Dupree,
re now forensic pathologist, he shot to the nation's consciousness
during the Alex Murdog trial and the double murders of
(19:50):
wife Maggie and son Paul, author of Money, Mischief and
Murder the Murdog Dynasty. The rest of the story, but
from my purposes, the author of homicide investigation Field Guy,
doctor Dupre, could you describe Mariah's wounds?
Speaker 13 (20:05):
So, yes, Nancy, So they were there was a head woods,
also a wound to the back of the head, and
there was a woman directly to her heart. Basically, they
were range. There was simpling on these wounds.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
They were meant to be lethal, Doctor Dupre. Did you
say that Mariah was shot in the heart.
Speaker 13 (20:25):
Yes, she was shot in the chest.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
In the heart, Doctor Dupree, I find it very difficult
to believe that someone was accidentally or coincidentally shot in
the heart at close range.
Speaker 13 (20:35):
No, Nancy, this was a targeted This was intentional. These
woods were meant to be lethal. They were those personal
and they hit the vital places, the head and the heart.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Doctor Jeff Kalsowski joining us. Forensic psychologist, author of Dark Sides.
You can find him on YouTube at doctor Jeff Kaloshowski,
Forensic Psychologist. Doctor Jeff, thank you for being with us.
I'm just a trial lawyer. You're the shrink.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
But I know that.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
There is a psychological implication when a victim is shot
in the heart, right, And like.
Speaker 10 (21:07):
The medical examiner mentioned, this is a very personal murder.
It's a very efficient murder. It's done in the apartment,
in the bathroom, one way in, one way out. There's
no evidence of the struggle. This was an assassination for sure.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Given the fact that Mariah, in her twenties, is gunned down,
wedged into the bathroom in a tiny space.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I want you to hear.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Not only is the glam yoga instructor Kaylin Armstrong whining
that she was quote incredibly humiliated when she was arrested
on her botox warrant. Woman, Yet she's humiliated. Listen to
what she says.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
When they were asking her about what happened.
Speaker 15 (21:55):
So what were you doing yesterday?
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I would like to leave?
Speaker 15 (21:59):
I think you would like to leave? Yeah, Okay, talking
to tonight. I don't actually know, and I would like
to leave.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Okay, is there any explanation as far as why the
vehicle would be over there?
Speaker 10 (22:15):
I would like to leave.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I'm prettylead.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Okay, you're the jealous love rival stock Moe Wilson and
who called nine one one after the star cyclist was shot.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Sounds so directly Aboven shot her.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's a personal and look up the girlfriend, Caitlyn Armstrong,
yoga teacher.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You can please the sud.
Speaker 11 (22:36):
The murder is the readiest case in Texas.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Well. I got to give it to Lifetime with.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
The yoga teacher killer, the Kaitlyn Armstrong story, and they
got that right.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
That's pretty much the way prosecutors say.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
The whole thing went down before Kaitlin Armstrong vanished into
thin air.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
So how did the feds track her?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
What rous did they use to try to find the
glam yoga instructor halfway.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Around the world That was from our.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Friends at Lifetime, But as glamorously as that murder was
portrayed in the Kaitlin Armstrong story, the killer yoga teacher.
Let's have a little dose all shot of reality.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The day after cops questioned Armstrong, she unloads her Jeep
Grand Cherokee for twelve thousand dollars to a CarMax in
South Austin, the same jeep that appears on surveillance video
in the area where Moe Wilson was gunned down. Police
realize Kaitlin Armstrong is nowhere to be found. Armstrong is
captured on surveillance footage at the ABIA the Austin Bergstrom
International Airport, boarding a flight bound for Houston, then onto
(23:51):
New York. After tracking Armstrong to New York's LaGuardia Airport,
she seems to vanish into thin air. Armstrong is then
dropped off at Newark Liberty International Airport, but note reservations
were ever found, and it isn't clear if she simply
disappeared again from this airport.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Now, how this woman can appear at various airports and
then vanish from an airport.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Alexis Tereschuk.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
She spotted at Lagordia, then she's spotted at Newark, just
walking through the airport, very calmly, as calm as she
was in that police interview, and then she vanishes.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
We have her on video and she vanishes.
Speaker 15 (24:36):
Alexis so there was no record of her taking any
flights out. After she lands in New York, she goes
from one airport to the other. However, her sister lived
right near this airport, and police then believe that she
took her sister's passport if they look fairly similar to
each other, and led the country to Troy.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Slayton joining us a veteran trial lawyer out of La Troy.
Don't you think it looks worse if and when the
killer is apprehended and they go in front of a jury,
The jury absolutely can hear evidence of flight.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
They can hear that.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This woman somehow managed to elude authorities. They'll find out
about the prior botox warrant. They'll see the interviews where
she wanted to leave. That it's not a comment on
your right to remain silent. She wanted to leave. They
can hear that. And so saying oh, yeah, I was
at Walmart, I was at Costco.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
No, no, no. When she's asked.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Where were you at the time Mariah was gunned down,
she asked to leave, they'll hear that. Then they'll hear
she disappeared from Newark Careport.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Not only will they hear it, but the judge will
give an instruction that says that evidence that flight and
running is consciousness of guilt, and they may use that
evidence as consciousness of guilt. But you know, look, I'm
not in the business of defending the police here. But
the police did the absolute right thing in not holding
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her on a warrant with a wrong birthdate, because we
don't want to hold people who are not the right
people on wrong warrants, not even for one second. So
the police did the absolute right thing.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
The warrant wasn't wrong, the dob was wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But I appreciate you parsing words and splitting hairs.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
That's what we do, Nancy, to make sure that not
even one innocent person suffers the wrath of the government.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know what. I appreciate you climbing up yet again
on your soapbox.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
But let's be honest about the law.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Where there is a minor defect in a warrant, it's
been uphild by the US Supreme Court, remember them up
in Washington, the US Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court
has ruled that a minor defect in a warrant, be
it or rest, does not negate the validity.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Of the warrant. You also been a later case to
refresh your recollection.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
This is the wrong birth date.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
So there's a lot of people with that same digit.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
By one digit, same name, same description, same height, same weight,
same finger prints, same everything.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Just the DNB is offer.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
I'm friends with four Troy Slayton's on Facebook because I
thought it was funny. And so just because somebody has
the same name doesn't mean that it's the same person.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You know what, Troy, I'm so happy for you that
you have friends now on Facebook. But to Josephine Wentzel
joining us, her daughter was murdered Crystal Mitchell.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
And her killer jacked up on steroids.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Goes halfway around and with a serious rap sheet of
domestic violence, flees and goes halfway around the world.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
What do you make of it, Josephine, that.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Caitlin Armstrong just disappears in New York's Liberty Never see
it again.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
It was a liner, like you said, a minor defect. Okay,
it was a very serious case. What would it cost
her for inconvenience if they held her and made the
phone call to find out is this the person or not?
It was a very serious case. Rather than saying Oh wow,
you fit the profile and everything, but you have their
own data birth so we'll let you go. And you know,
(28:22):
there's nothing on the borders to stop criminals from fleeing
into other countries. So nobody's alerted that this person wanted
it is going to flee the country. And that's another
issue that I'm pushing, by the way, with the Marshals
and with the States, and we're taking it to Washington
about having having an alert to alert as when these
people are going to cross over when they wanted.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And then investigators, basically US bounty hunters, the US Marshals,
who I hold in great esteem, do some old fashioned
police work.
Speaker 14 (28:56):
Investigators turned to old fashioned police work, managing to track
down the phone number of an American businessman they believe
had connected with Armstrong. At some point, he was sent
pictures of Caitlin and says he's seen her, but she
doesn't look like that anymore. She had cut her hair
and dyed it red, and she's going by the name Beth.
He said he met her at a yoga studio in Jocko.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Now to find Caitlin Armstrong, the so called glam yoga teacher, how.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Did she vanish?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
In the airport at Liberty International that's in Newark. How
did that happen? The place is like a casino in Vegas.
It's covered, it's blanketed and security cameras. Yet she did
it straight out to IRV Brandt. LA law enforcement then
gets fixated on the fact that Caitlin Armstrong's sister lost
(29:48):
her passport.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Then what happened?
Speaker 16 (29:50):
Well, Nancy, that's that's the break in the case. When
you're hunting a fugitive, you're looking at family members, and
the sisters said that her passport was lost. Well, a
search of the records of the flight records show that
there was a flight in her that she booked a
flight in her name to Costa Rica, and that led
(30:14):
investigators to believe that it was actually Caitlin Armstrong and
not her sister. In Costa Rica.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the Feds shock move to
hunt down the glam yoga guru and the love rival murder.
It's revealed how did they get her listen.
Speaker 14 (30:47):
Us Marshalls used one of their own female operatives going
to yoga classes to see if they could spot Armstrong.
Turns out people had seen Armstrong at local spots in
San Theresa, but they didn't realize who she was. She
was hiding in planes using different names like Beth and Ari.
Investigators turned to local Facebook page, taking out an ad
for a yoga instructor to see what would happen. After
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a week, a reply identifying herself as a yoga instructor
pretending to be a tourist, and investigator goes into a
hostel trying to get a good look at the woman.
She resembles Caitlin, but not one hundred percent. As he
got close to the woman, he sees a bandage on
her nose and her lips are swollen, but the eyes
are the same. Now investigators know why they have had
(31:30):
so much trouble finding Armstrong. She had been getting plastic surgery.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
IRV brand This is second verse, same as the first
again and I'm talking about the killer r J.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Mccloyd.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
What is Kaitlin Armstrong doing in Costa Rica. She's teaching
yoga ding ding ding ding, same thing with McLeod. So
let me understand IRV Brandt and the case. And she
with Caitlin Armstrong, the yoga teacher. The US Marshals, the
FEDS actually use a female operative and what does the
(32:06):
operative do.
Speaker 16 (32:07):
Well, the operative is looking for the fugitive in an
area that the fugitive is known to be comfortable with,
and that would be teaching yoga, So the spots that
yoga teachers would frequent and that area in general.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I guess it's not a huge leap to look for
her teaching yoga. And then they run into the American
businessman where they track him down that states he had
seen her, but she didn't look the.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Same, and that he had met her in a yoga studio.
So again not a far leap.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But to doctor Michelle Dupree, she was barely recognizable because
of plastic surgery that had to hurt.
Speaker 13 (32:56):
Yes, Nancy absolutely, and you know the swelling on the face,
all of this. She's gonna heal, but she is gonna
look different, and she's going to also confuse any facial recognition.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Doctor Jeff Kalashwski, the length this woman went to, that's
going to impress a jury.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
What does that tell you, Well.
Speaker 10 (33:12):
It's going to impress a jury that she was obviously
being deceitful trying to hide her identity. And then the
big question is why did you feel I need to
do that, and that's the kind of question the jury's
gonna ask.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
IRV Brandt? Is this common?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
IRV Brandt has spent his entire career chasing down the
bad guys with the US Marshall Service. He's traveled all
over the world for them and is now a successful author.
I wonder who Jack Solo could be. But that said,
we see it in the movies Earth. But is it
(33:47):
common for wanted murderers to actually have plastic surgery, sometimes.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Even trying to get rid of their fingerprints?
Speaker 16 (33:54):
It is Nancy, someone who knows that they're being They
know that they're being followed, that people are looking for them,
that their faces have been on the news. The most
common thing uh with fugitive is to change your facial appearance.
Whether it's cutting off all your hair if you have
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long hair, it's dyeing your hair, if you have red hair,
maybe changing it to brown hair, to you know, trying
to change some of your facial features. And it usually
starts with the nose and to throw off facial recognition.
Anything that you can do to hide from the person
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that you were before.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Doctor Duprie, this is very extensive surgery. Did you see
those shots and then she tried to tell somebody she
was hitting the nose with a surfboard. Okay, what did
all that surgery entail, Doctor Duprie.
Speaker 13 (34:51):
Nancy, that's a lot, not to mention the expense of it,
but you're basically reconstructing major portions of her face. First
of all, this took a long time, and secondly, it
was expensive.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Alexis Terresschuk, how was she living? Wasn't she in a
youth hostel?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
She was.
Speaker 15 (35:07):
She was living in a small beach town in Costa
Rica and just a hostel, which is really less than
a hotel.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
And she was really.
Speaker 15 (35:15):
Running out of money. So she had sold her car
for twelve thousand dollars. She sold it, you know, the
day after she murdered mo. But that money was running
out because she spent seventy five hundred of that on
plastic surgery in Mexico to change her So she was.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Looking for a job.
Speaker 15 (35:31):
She was trying to get a job in the hostel.
She was trying to get jobs anywhere around town. But
the only thing that she was hoping to try to
do was maybe to get a job as a yoga instructor.
So when there was an ad for a yoga instructor.
She immediately jumped at this.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
A new country, a new nose, and a new job,
all pieces of a puzzle that leads to the international
arrest of her murderer.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
The fads shock moved to hount down the glam yoga
guru in her love Rivals murder.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
What do they do? They got a.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Female operative to go undercover and go into the yoga
scene in Costa Rica looking for a needle in a haystack.
After an American businessman says he's seen Caitlin Armstrong but
she quote looked different that he had met her in
a yoga studio. So they send this female operative. I
(36:26):
got to hand it to him or Brandt. They made
good after the big booboo of a local law enforcement
letting her slip through their fingers. After her botox warrant
and a murder, they get a female operative to go
undercover all around Costa Rica until finally she sees a
woman that kind of resembles Caitlin Armstrong. It was pretty
(36:50):
smart herv Then they placed a yoga.
Speaker 16 (36:52):
Ad uh Nancy tricky us Marshalls thinking outside the box,
and they used a an investigative tool ruse or lure,
whatever you want to call it, it's very common technique
and to work.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Doctor Jeff Kelshewski joining US forensics psychologist and author of
Dark Sides, Doctor Jeff.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
The way she managed to talk her.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Way out of that police interview, the way she managed
to fenangle her sister's passport and go all around the country,
get plastic surgery in Costa Rica, and hide out under
an assumed name.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
But she answered an ad for a yoga teacher.
Speaker 10 (37:35):
Right, I mean, the termine narcissism came up. And how
many times on these programs that we talked about killers
being tripped up by their own narcissism. She probably thought
she got away with it. She thought she took all
the right steps, and she thought she was in the clear,
and then she opened herself up and made herself more vulnerable.
(37:55):
And kudos to law enforcement. You know, one important rule
is to know yourself respect well. The obviously knew a
lot about her, and they knew what kind of bait
could pull her out from the shadows and make her
vulnerable and expose herself where they could apprehend her.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
You know, doctor Jeff, you would think someone that had
been this wily like her, like R. J. McLeod would
recognize a trap like an ad for a yoga teacher.
You want a yoga teacher, go to the yoga studio.
It's one walk away. How many are there in Costa Rica?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
So long story short, they both fail.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
For it, and I believe it's arrogance, as you say, narcissism.
Speaker 10 (38:36):
It's a false confidence. I'm so wonderful, I'm so tricky,
I'm so good at what I just did. I'm in
the clear. A false confidence that came back to bite her.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I mean, Josephine Winsel, all those years you were waiting
for the US marshals to find your daughter's killer.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
How did that feel to you?
Speaker 7 (39:00):
It was cruciating and it was very frustrating, especially when
COVID happened, and I knew that even if we got
a tip, then nobody's going to go over there to
look for them. It was very frustrating. I did a
lot of you know, in between time I searching for him,
I was writing a lot to a Congress, the White House.
(39:22):
I was just trying to shake them up in DC
to like do something here. And then it got to
the point where we were getting a lot of tips
in and the embassy couldn't respond, so they were like,
We're not going to respond to all of your tips.
So then it became even more frustrating, and I'm like,
why am I wasting all my time in front of
the computer searching it? Then I going to check the
gifts out and so it was very, very frustrating. But
(39:45):
I had to credit the marshals because they were patient,
they were consistent, and they were trying everything they could
to respond to all my tips considering they were not
in that country, so it was a very difficult process.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
In case you're wondering what happens after Kaitlin Armstrong is
apprehended in Costa Rica and extradited.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Home, well.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Ken a Leopard ever changed their spots listen.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Kaitlyn Armstrong has been locked up in the Travis County
Correction Complex since she was brought back from Costa Rica,
But she didn't just sit in her sell and gain weight.
Kaitlin Armstrong decided to take advantage of the time she
had in county by working out a lot. Just weeks
before her trial was set to start, Armstrong claimed to
have an injury and she was allowed to go to
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an outside medical appointment Armstrong requested that leg restraints not
be used on her, and that was granted. Armstrong was
escorted to her appointment by two deputies, and when the
office visit was over, as she was headed back to
the car to go back to jail, Kaitlin Armstrong took
off running. The deputies gave chase.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's right, Kaitlin Armstrong actually running. She faked a doctor's
appointment and makes an escape attempt.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Some things never change.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Caitlin Armstrong convicted in the murder of Mariah and.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I advise whatever CI is holding her now keep a
watch on her.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.
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