January 1, 2025 • 39 mins
Missy Bevers arrives at Creekside Church at 4:16 am and begins setting up for her 5 am fitness class.
She doesn't realize that someone else is in the building. Video surveillance shows a person dressed in full police SWAT tactical gear walking through the halls of the church with an unusual gait while clutching a hammer.
Shortly before 5 am, one of Bevers' students arrives, finding Bevers's body inside the church. Bevers has puncture wounds to her head and chest. The student calls 911. In minutes, police and rescue arrive, and Missy Bevers is pronounced dead on the scene.
Creekside church has surveillance cameras inside and out of their property. Still, in a tough break for cops, the outside cameras don't work. Police rule out Missy Bevers's husband, Brandon, as he was on an annual fishing trip at the time of the murder.
However, Missy Bevers's death investigation now includes a vehicle of interest that police say was captured on surveillance cameras at a nearby business just before the murder. It is a 2010-2012 Nissan Altima, silver or light color, with an oval sticker on its bumper.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Renee Jones - Missy Bever's Friend and Co-Worker
- Dr. Michael Nirenberg - Podiatrist physician and surgeon - Forensic Podiatrist
- Alan Bennett - Former Assistant District Attorney, Partner at Gunter, Bennett, and Anthes
- Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); X: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Appearing in “Paris in Love” on Peacock; BOOK: “Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away”
- Tom Smith - Former NYPD Detective, Co-Host of the GOLD SHIELDS Podcast; FB & Instagram: @thegoldshieldshow
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” X: @JoScottForensic
- Scott Brooks- President & Publisher for the Waxahachie Sun; @ Sun Spot Live; @WaxSun
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Exercise mom Missy Beavers stabbed dead with multiple puncture wounds
to the head and chest inside the local church. The
mom of three arrives around four a m. To teach
anaerobics class. Surveillance video actually catches her killer disguised in
full swat gear, and after watching the video, police suggest
(00:31):
the killer has an injured right foot. An unnamed male
colleague has his trash sifted through. But why Cops bring
in advanced stingray equipment to capture the killer's cell phone data,
but still no arrest. Who killed exercise mom? Missy Beaver's
good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
(00:55):
you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Fitness instructor. Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the
early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas church.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
The suspect captured on the Greeny surveillance video is still unidentified.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Wow, who killed Missy Beavers? After eight years, still no arrest.
First of all, listen.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
To this first time surveillance captured the suspect on video
was about ten minutes before four am. Miss Beavers arrived
at about four sixteen in the parking lot and entered
the church immediately a few minutes later she was inside
the church, not realizing the intruder was already inside, and
shortly thereafter she was murdered inside of the church.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Who is intent on committing a murder at four o'clock
in the morning? Who lay in wait for exercise mom,
Missy Beavers?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
This could not have been random?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But first to Scott Brooks,
publisher for the walksahatchieesun dot com. Scott, thank you for
being with us bring us all up today. For those
that don't recall the murder on Missy Beavers, what happened well.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Early on a Monday morning corn down rain.
Speaker 7 (02:15):
Missy was set up as usual to do her routines
or her class in a parking.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Lot of a local church on what is usually.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
A busy highway between Waksahachim and looked in and given
that it was raining, she went inside to set up
and that's when she was killed.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
That was only eighteenth, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
I was sure, as the head of the local media
company then that whoever did it would be called within
maybe hours or days but here we are eight years
later and still completely unsolved. As far as I'm concerned,
it just continues to be a bit of a cluster
of a mess in terms of solving this case.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
That's one way to put it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Over three thousand tips of come in on Missy Beaver's murder.
She leaves home in the early morning hour, still dark outside,
and she sends out a group text telling everybody, Hey,
we're still exercising gladiator style this morning, even though it's raining.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
We're moving our class indoors.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And she goes in around four point fifteen am to
set up who in the hay is out in the
rain entering that church waiting for Missy Beaver's Listen.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
As you probably already know, this case weighs very heavily
on us, our investigative team, our department. We know that
the community is hurting as well well. Committee to identifying
the person A person's responsible for Missy's death.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
We're not going to rest until we do so.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Joining us now In addition to Scott Brooks from the
Walks of House, She's son is Renee Jones. Renee is
Missy's dear friend and coworker. Renee, thank you for being
with us as the pass and Missy's case is still unsolved.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What goes through your mind?
Speaker 8 (04:06):
You're constantly trying to figure out who did it? Was
the car involved? Are the resources that we have enough?
You look at the facts, and although the facts are there,
the evidence is not. We know, like you said, we
know what times you arrived, we know what time the
perpetrator was in the church. But what we don't know
(04:29):
is who is this person, how did they arrive, did
the ultimate at the Swafa have anything to do with it?
And how did they get away without even being seen?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So many of the facts were out there in the
first months following Missy's murder. For instance, we see the perpetrator, Renee,
we know it had to be targeted. Who else would
be in the Midlothian church at that time of the day,
dressed in this get up, not looking for anything to steal,
(05:03):
just wandering around, wandering around until bam, they nearly collide
with Missy Beavers and then stab her dead. It's so
obvious to me, Renee, and we've looked at all the
usual suspects, many of them ruled out.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Who is this person? Renee? Do you believe it's a
man or a woman.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
My gut kind of tells me it's a woman, and
I tend to rely on that a lot, but at
the end of the day, it could be man. You know,
it's really tough.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Joining us is forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
and star of a hit series podcast Bodybags with Joe
Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you and I have poured over
the evidence in this case, and when you look at
(05:58):
the perp walking through the hall okay testing he she
doesn't even know what they're there for, obviously, so they're
clearly not coming here to steal anything. I mean, who
singles out the creekside in Lothian Church at four o'clock
in the morning for Pete's sake? I guarantee you what
they're looking for. It's where is Missy Beaver's going to
have her indoor class. That's what they're looking for. But
(06:21):
the person is slew footed, in other words, without deviation.
The right foot goes outward with every step. We know
the height, we know the approximate weight, We know that
this type of murder is typically committed by a man.
(06:43):
We know it's got to be somebody within that area
or arranged by someone in that area.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Joe Scott, what more can be done for Pete's sake?
Speaker 9 (06:54):
I tell you this, the person that perpetrated this crime
had an awareness of that environment so much to the
point that they felt the need to cover their face,
so they knew that they would be in amongst cameras
with video surveillance. And here's another thing for me as
a former investigator, the idea of the timing. I don't
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know about you, you know, but you know the idea
of getting up at this time of day lies kind
of outside the norm for most people, and that you
have to meet up there before she is arriving. So
this requires quite a bit of planning. I think that
that's rather obvious, and just to get this rig on
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this person has, however they went about purchasing it. However
they went about acquiring it is going to be time
consuming as well. Did they do it out in the
parking lot. Did they do it at home, in the
safety of their home so that they could just hop
in the car and go. I think that those are
big indicators here.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The time of the day.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Even the weather outside suggests this was a targeted murder.
Speaker 10 (08:04):
Listen, mid Lothian, Texas is having some severe weather, not
severe enough to prevent mother of three, Missy Beavers, early
morning fitness class. As she posts on Facebook, if it's raining,
we're still training. No excuses, you are gladiators, Missy informed students.
Because of the rain, they will be training inside the
church rather than the parking lot.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
To Scott Brooks, joining US president, publisher walks out, how
she's son, Scott, She was in the peak. She was
at the peak of her physical powers. When she says
gladiator class, she minute, do you see those biceps on her?
My point is she could fight back Scott Brooks.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Yes, there's no question about it.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Missy was known in our community or her gladiator work.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
In addition to being a mom and I'm just a
good person. She was a gladiator as you just said,
and took this stuff really.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Serious, Scott Brooks. At the time.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Of course, at the time of a homicide, all the
dirty laundry comes out. Just because there may have been
marital issues does not mean the husband is guilty. As
a matter of fact, her husband was, as I recall
on a gambling cruise with a group of his friends,
kind of a trip they did every year, which makes
(09:23):
me also think the killer knew the husband would be gone.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Of course, maybe did he plant? Did he hi hitman? Yeah,
anything's possible.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But no evidence that of that has ever emerged, even
though investigators have searched. Of course they looked the husband, lover,
boyfriend exs always the first suspect.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
He was not in town or even in state.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So I'm just trying to figure out what your thoughts
are on the marital problems because it opens up a
whole Pandora's box. If Missy Beavers had a boyfriend, did
the boyfriend's wife or girlfriend know? I mean, there's so
many avenues to investigate Scott.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
The rumors have been from the absurd to the just
level of vicious, and.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I don't know any of those to be true. I
believe in.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
What Brandon has shared these years, and most recently two
months ago in a two part series interview with me,
he continues to reinforce, at least in my mind, that
he has nothing to do with Missy's murder, and both he.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
And his father, who was kind of dragged into this
as a possible suspect. His father was in San Diego
at the time.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I recall that with the blood on the sure
that was taken to the laundry and it turned out
to be shihuahuah blood or something like that, it was
not human blood.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Guys, you're right.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
The husband was on a fishing trip, a trip he
took annually. Which makes me wonder was someone reading Missy
Beaver's text to say a boyfriend, an alleged boyfriend, because
I don't want to go down the road with dragging
her through the mud. But in a murder investigation All's
Fair Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, did someone read a
(11:34):
text or an email from Missy saying my husband's going
to be gone. I'm curious and this is what we know.
Back to you, Joe, Scott and Morgan. Hey, let me
throw this to Tom Smith joining us, former NYPD detective,
co host of gold Shields podcast, and you can find
him at the gold Shields Show.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
This is what we've learned.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Now we all know how the FBI can determine a
height and weight of purp caught on video.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
They look at the.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Purp, say, standing in a doorway, then they go to
that doorway, they measure let's just say, that fire extinguisher cabinet.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
To your left. They go there and they.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Measure where the purp the height of that fire extinguisher,
and they can determine the height of the purp standing
beside it. See what I mean right there. That's just
one example. It's fairly easy to do. It takes a minute,
but we know the killer is between five to two
and five eight. They predominantly walk sleugh footed with their
(12:37):
toes pointed outward. Look, they're not there to steal anything.
Watch the gate watch this purp. Man or woman. Don't
know so, Tom Smith, you've watched this over and over
and over.
Speaker 11 (12:53):
My initial thought was that it was a mail And
then the more I looked at it, the more I
looked at certain traits that were going on in the video,
I am comfortable thinking it's a female because of just
the walk. And the one thing that really stood out
to me was in one particular part of the video,
she uses the hammer to break a window. Now, not
(13:15):
that females can wield a hammer like a male, but
just the way she hit one of the windows did
it for me that it was a female. Just the
kind of the way she did it is what triggered
it for me.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You may like you throw a ball like a girl.
Is that when you're trying to say, go ahead and
put it out there. I don't care something like.
Speaker 11 (13:35):
That, you know. And it's nothing against anybody, but just
an observation of the way, you know, she hit one
of the windows.
Speaker 12 (13:43):
I got another phone call from the scene from a
female Midlothian officer and she said that Missy's no longer
with us and I didn't know.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
You did register that She meant like Missy had died.
Speaker 12 (14:04):
It absolutely registered.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
The suspect was seen wearing police want tactical gear, including
a black helmet and a vest with the word police
across the front.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And I agree with Tom Smith, former NYPD the whole
looking in windows and pulling up cabinets, that was all
for show, just waiting for Missy Beavers to walk in.
And earlier Scott Brooks interviewing Missy's husband. Again, he was
(14:33):
way out of state at the time Missy was murdered.
And unless there's some intricate hitman plot that has never
been able to be deciphered, he didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So where does it leave us?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, everybody would find it really easy to put it
on the husband. Not this time, shocker. It's not always
the husband. Now, this is what we know. According to
a search warrant there was she released by l E
Law Enforcement in mid Lothian. We now know Missy Beavers
was allegedly having marital and financial struggles at the time
(15:12):
of her death and believed to be in an intimate
relationship external to the marriage.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
That's what the documents say.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, a renowned psychoanalyst, joining us
out of LA her new book, deal Breaker, went to
work on a relationship and when to walk away, Doctor Bethany,
thank you for being with us. How many times have
I heard a defense attorney say every adulterer is not
a killer. But I can tell you this, doctor Bethany,
(15:45):
reverse that. Think about it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Flip it. When you have a murder that.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Is in the middle of an affair, I find it
really hard to believe that the killer is not somehow
in that mix. I'm not saying the husband. Okay, I've
put him away. He's on a shelf. He's on a
suspect in my mind right now. I can revisit him
later because he's at a state. To this day, nothing
(16:12):
has been uncovered regarding a plot that he arranged the murder. Okay,
so step back, think who else in that a fair circle,
A wife, a girlfriend, an ex help me, thank Dr
Bethany the dynamic here.
Speaker 13 (16:31):
Let's go back to the perp for a second man
or woman. We know that this person has a mix
of masculine and feminine traits, so that narrows the pool
just a little bit. Right there. The person is wearing
tactical gear, which suggests that the purp gravitates towards positions
of power. And we know that people who are sociopathic
love they love power, so that narrows the pool just
(16:53):
a little bit too. And then we extend it out
to this possible affair. It does sort of help us
to cast a wider net around people who might have
been preoccupied with Missy if she was having an affair
with a man, a man's girlfriend, a man's wife, a
jealous coworker. Love triangles are at the heart of homicides
(17:16):
very very often. We also know that the perk was
probably not somebody who attended her fitness class, because if
he was, he or she was limping or pronating to
the right, and the purp looks kind of overweight, unless
this is very puffy tactical gear. This is not somebody
(17:37):
who looks very fit. So it takes it away from
the fitness world, somebody who could have developed a preoccupation
with her, somebody who was in her class, and it
puts into the world of intimate relationships, because, Nancy, it's
in the context of intimate relationships that homicides occur most often.
I'm not talking about the husband, but think about it.
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In our most intimate relationships that we feel despair, rage, betrayal, angers.
So this person, I think was leaked in some way
emotionally to Missy or emotionally to the a fair person.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Okay, wait a minute, are you trying to sell me
on the idea that it was one of the women
in her class and not connected to the love triangle.
Speaker 13 (18:26):
No, I said the opposite. It's not somebody in her
class because this person does not look fit.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
How can you tell that they're garbed and you know
they might as well be wearing a burka.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I can't tell anything in that. We don't even know
as a man or a woman. What is that?
Speaker 13 (18:42):
I don't know Nancy, this person just doesn't look like
a paragon of health. I can't even tell you.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Why, Okayne.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know, Bethany, I respected you up until you said that,
because you're asking, you're telling me you don't think it
is somebody in their exercise class.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Because somebody that's.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Totally swathed in a want outfit, you can tell they're
not fit. You think everybody in an exercise class is fit.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I can guarantee you that's not true.
Speaker 13 (19:09):
And Nancy, did you see pictures of Missy doing the
lunges with the kettlebell. I mean this woman was fit.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
She was fit.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I know her. I'm talking about the you know what,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I did not expect your answer to be that what
I'm hearing. Renee Jones joining me. This is Missy Beaver's
friend and co worker. Were you familiar with her exercise class?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Absolutely?
Speaker 7 (19:35):
I was.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Absolutely I was.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
And to be quite honest, Nancy, our training guidelines were
to train to the masses. Our ultimate goal, even personally,
was to impact as many lives as possible in as
many places as possible.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I find it really hard to believe, Renee, that anyone
in her exercise class that she was teaching her gladiator class.
Is you know, a better way to put it, killed her.
I mean there may have been some jealousy or some
resentment of some sort.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Always looked up to my fitness instructors, But I don't
see that at all.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I don't think that's the right direction.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
I have to agree simply because the environment in the
culture that's created and was created in those camps was
one of family oriented, it was one of change, it
was one of faith.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Much has been made of the fact that Missy advertised
the date, time, and location of her class online.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Now you would think that that could.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Attract hundreds of crazy pervs. But remember we're talking about Midlothian,
Texas with a very very small population, very very rural.
So who was looking at Missy Beaver's posting. Who knew
she would be inside that day as opposed to all
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other days when she held her class outside? Was someone
waiting for the moment?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Joining me an all star panel.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I want to go to Joe Scott Morgan joining US
Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure
and forensic program. Joe Scott, Let's talk about the mode
of murder, Okay, multiple puncture wounds to the face, the head,
(21:32):
and the chest. Now, as much as it seems to me,
someone five to two potentially to five eight with that gate,
with the matter of breaking the glass that Tom Smith,
NYPD detective described, I think it would be a woman.
But the mode of murder, stabbing her in the face
(21:53):
and the chest is more of a mail a typical
mail attack.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
This is an attempt I think at least to greatly
damage and disfigure her. Nancy, dear, and we're saying stab,
but these are punctures, which is completely different type of insult.
When you're talking about a puncture wound, imagine somebody being
driven through with a piece of rebar or a pole
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or something like that. And that's what we're dealing with.
This instrument that they're talking about here, This hammer as
it's been framed, is quite interesting because you can have
puncture wounds that are created by a claw hammer if
you use the claw ind it could also be a
geology hammer, which has actually a spike on one end
(22:43):
of it a normal hammer on the other side. But
these are outliers, Nancy, in our field. When you talk
about death by hammer We hear a lot about these
over the years, but they don't happen with great frequency.
And what's fascinating about this is that this person goes
to all the trail to dress up as a cop,
to maybe present themselves as a police officer. But they
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don't show up with a firearm, Nancy. They show up
with a hammer to use for a lethal instrument. Why
that that's very very intimate, Nancy. This ranks right up
there with stab wounds and other bludgeoning types of desks,
very up close and personal.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Scott Brooks joining us for the Max hoche Son. Scott,
what is a theory regarding the murder weapon?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Well, I'll tell you this, and I've never really said.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
This before publicly, but I would, given the sources that
we have, and they're confidential, I would bet my mortgage
that Missy was killed with the screw and that while
the medical exanitor says puncture wounds, we do see the
portrator walking around with the hammer. We can't tell what's
(23:54):
on both sides of that hammer. But what I can strongly.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Conform is that Missy was killed with a screwdriver. And
I don't know if you wanted to be any more
vivid than that, but that was that was the room,
the method of murder.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, Scott Brooks, why are you saying screwdriver versus hammer?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Because of the that we had that stalled Missy's body
within hours after her death.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Joining us now special guest doctor Michael Nirrenberg, podiatrists physician
and surgeon, forensic pediatrist who was called in all this investigation,
Doctor Nienburgh, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 14 (24:43):
Well, thank you Nancy for having me.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
How did you get involved in the Missy Beaver's murder investigation?
Speaker 6 (24:48):
I think it was.
Speaker 14 (24:51):
Someone from the Midloleian Police Department and after that I
ended up conversing mostly with an FBI agent or several
FBI agents on the case.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
What happened, Doctor Dhrenberg.
Speaker 14 (25:05):
So I was called in to look at the gate
of the perpetrator. And a gate is how we walk
or move in simple terms, and the manner in our
style of walking between people generally varies so well to
people can walk the same, most people tend to walk
(25:29):
a little differently and have different mannerisms and features of
their gate. Some people will swing their arms a lot,
for example, some people just let their arms dangle. So
I was asked to compare the evaluate and compare the
gate of the perpetrator within the church with that of
(25:52):
persons that the FBI sent me video of. And they
would just send me men, women. They would just send
me persons, and they didn't tell me if they were
persons of interest, if they were you know, like a
police lineup, if they were just police officers. And they
had me let them know if they walked the same
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similar or they walked different.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Missy Beavers arrives at Creekside Church at four sixteen AM
and begins setting up for her five AM fitness class.
She doesn't realize there's someone else in the building. Video
surveillance inside Creekside Church shows a person dressed in full
police SWAT tactical gear walking through the halls of the
church with an unusual gait while clutching a hammer. The
unknown person uses force to get into the church when
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he is first seen on video about three point fifty am.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Fitness instructor Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the
early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas Church.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
The suspect captured on the grainy surveillance video is still unidentified.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Joining our special guest, doctor Michael Nirrenberg. Doctor Nireenberg was
brought in by police to assist with the FBI investigation.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
The FBI showed doctor.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Nirrenberg video that has not been released to the public,
and it is very, very disturbing. In fact, it shows
Missy inside the church, Doctor Niirreenberg, What does the video
you saw depict all?
Speaker 14 (27:30):
The video was sent to me as far as I know,
and there was video of Missy arriving at the church,
setting up in the church. But the most emotional disturbing
part for me was where she stops doing what she's doing.
She walks into another hallway and you can see her
sort of like cock her head a little bit, almost
(27:50):
like she hears something, and she's sort of looking like,
what does she hear? She hears something, There's something that
stops her cold, and it's almost like, and I'm sure
people can relate to when you're watching those horror films
and you want to yell at the screen, you know,
get out of the house, because sadly we know what's coming.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know. Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD detective and
host of Goldshield's podcast. We spend so much time talking
about the evidence and the facts and the clues. But
do you hear what doctor Michael Nierenberg is saying that
there is additional video that he has seen that shows
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Missy inside the church preparing for the class, and you
see her look like she hears something, and she does
she's hearing her killer.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
We very rarely think.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
About what she went through in the moments leading up
to her murder.
Speaker 11 (28:54):
Yeah, it's disturbing and it's sad, but that goes to
the setup, like I was talking about, for you know,
everything's laid out to show or to give the appearance
of a break in, and maybe the perpetrator made a
sound to get her attention to come in that direction
and then did what they had planned to do the
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whole time.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Thanks to doctor Michael Narmerg joining us a physician and
surgeon forensic cadiatrist that was brought in on the Missy
Beavers murder investigation, Doctor Niermerg, you're telling me that the
additional video that has not been released to the public
shows Missy and the church preparing for her class.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
What room is she in?
Speaker 14 (29:36):
I do recall as where she walks out into the
hall and she starts walking down the hall and she
stops and you can see her like looking listening. You know,
she hears something, and you know, as a forensic scientist,
what we do is very dry, and it just brings
it home at the end of the day, that these
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crimes are about, you know, people and what they experience,
and what your prior guest said. I actually took it
the other way that maybe I've often thought that maybe
the perpetrator was making noise because they did not think
anybody else.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Was in the church.
Speaker 14 (30:19):
That was my not as a forensic pediatrist, but just
as a person thinking about the case over the years,
I actually thought the reverse, that.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
He was making he or she was.
Speaker 14 (30:30):
Making noise because they just didn't think anybody was there,
and somehow they got surprised by her finding them.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Perhaps curious, Is it true the FBI asked you to
study the video of the suspect and you actually had
an officer reenact what happened with and without the swat
suit or the body armor. Right.
Speaker 14 (30:54):
So what I did when I first got the cases,
I went to my local police station. I'm out here
in northwest Indiana in a small towns and I went
to the police station, and I had a They agreed
to help, and the police officer who trains with SWAK
gear once a month, I videotaped him and took photos
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of him walking with and without the police gear and
so so, and I actually put the gear on myself
at one point just to feel the weight of it,
and it was it was somewhat heavy. I forget the
exact weight of this gear, but I think it was
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about forty pounds.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
And I remember.
Speaker 14 (31:43):
That that that the photos of him with and without
it actually showed him him shorter with with the with
the gear. When he was wearing the gear, it actually
shortened his height.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Question.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I call it solut footed. Some people call it duckfoot.
What percentage are a population?
Speaker 14 (32:04):
Well there well, and what I call it is is
out toeing. So when you're looking at out toe amount
of the population, there's varying degrees of out toowed out towing.
And what's interesting here is when we look at gates,
some people only out toe when their feet are land
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on the ground. Some people out toe as their foot
swings through the air, suggesting that the whole leg and
knee are turned outward through the swing. And if if
you look here through the swing, not just when the
feet are on the ground.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (32:46):
There there's out towing to a to a significant degree.
You know, usually you see in most of the population
we were out towed about maybe ten degrees approximately or so.
So here you're seeing significant out toeing, and not just
when their feet are on the ground, but when they
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swing that leg forward. You know, you look at the knee,
you look, you look at the the the arms. The
head is hanging slightly tilted. The head is slightly forward,
not directly back over the shoulders. One knee is stays
pretty much bent to a small degree. It doesn't completely
straighten the other the other knee straighter.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace got a question for you,
doctor in Nirrenberg. Isn't it true that as you say,
out toeing, as I say, slew footed typically manifests when
someone is younger, like a toddler up to adolescent.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You don't develop that gate later in life, do you.
Speaker 14 (33:59):
That's a great question, Nancy, And most people are out
tod due to like you said, genetics, heredity, but other
things can happen. You can have a you can develop arthritis,
you can have an injury to your knee, your hip,
your back.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
The majority of slew footed individuals have it as a youth,
a toddler to ten years it developed somewhere in that time.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Is that correct? The majority?
Speaker 14 (34:32):
I would I would say without researching it as a
as a estimate in my experience, the majority of people
it's when they're young this develops and then it stays
with them.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay, got it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So my point is doctor to just bring it home,
is that whoever this is likely has wont like this
since they were a toddler, and therefore people.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Around them know they want like this.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Like I spot my husband's gate a mile away, I
don't have to see his face. I know it's him.
Same with my son, same with my daughter. By the
way she holds her arms when she walks, you know
this person, but no one is coming forward. This is
someone in Missy's circle, someone that is connected to her
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or someone she's involved with, who killed Missy Beaver's to
Scott Brooks joining US President publisher walks a Hoachie's son.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Does it just burn you up? Does it bother you
that somebody has to know who this purp is?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Someone that is connected to Missy Beaver's to her exercise class.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
No, not that.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
No, it's someone more connected to her. This is not
a robbery gone wrong. Typically when burglars are found out,
they run, they leave, they don't grab a screwdriver and
murder the witness. Plus, this purp was completely swathed. There's
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no way she would have recognized them. Are they wearing
like a motorcycle helmet?
Speaker 8 (36:14):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
And to answer your first question, for eight years, I
have been I wouldn't say obsessed, but I've certainly made
a commitment to Missy's family or girls, or a husband
and former husband, that we weren't going to stop as
a media company, making sure that we kept this.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Thing alive, so to speak, and that we.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Have somebody in our community, in my opinion, on the
loose free who did this heinous thing.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, hey, hey, back it up, Scott Brooks, he said,
somebody in the community.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I do not think that this was a hired hit
from you know, you didn't have the scorpion come in
from Columbia to kill Missy Beavers.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's right, man, Someone in this.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Community, in this region and did this thing. And for
all these years, Dr Bethany Marshall, they have sat back
and enjoyed watching us try and figure it out and
buy God, somehow we've got to get this killer, Bethany,
how happy do you think they are watching us try
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to catch them, Nancy.
Speaker 13 (37:22):
Every time this crime gets covered, they get to live
and relive the excitement of the crime. This person enjoyed this,
as Joskine Morgan said, this was a very intimate, intimate attack.
It was full of rage, it was full of passion.
So this person is hiding in plain sight probably looks
sort of passive and slick and sort of harmless to
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the community. But the community need to take a good
look around and see, you know, if there's a family
member or somebody that they know who's preoccupied with the crime,
because that could be a big clue. If somebody keeps
collecting data and watching and rewatching shows and interviews, that
suggests that there's still relishing in the act.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Doctor Bethany, you know what, and anybody on the panel
jump in if you watch this person. But when they pause,
they're not making a real effort to get any of
the into any of these doors that are locked.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
They're like on the on the handle and they move on.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
But at one point they pause there's one point where
the practically puts her hand on our hips.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I can practically see her.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
MKINI bod I can too. Yeah, you have a really
good point, but also a woman who has masculine traits.
So as I said earlier that that can narrow the
pool somewhat, maybe somebody who's non binary.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Is actually giving me a headache.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Doctor Nirenberg, Scott Brooks, Joe Scott, Tom Smith, Doctor Bethany.
We have lived this case and it is burning me
up that we have all this knowledge, but we still
don't have an answer for anyone that knows or thinks
that they know any information regarding the brutal murder, the
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puncture murder of Missy Beavers. I ask you to please
dial the Middle Lothian PD nine seven two seven seven
five seven six two four repeat nine seven two seven
seven five seven six two four and trust me, it
is never wrong to do the right thing. There is
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a one hundred and fifty thousand dollars reward, and it's
never too late to do the right thing. Nancy Gray
signing off, good night friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Exercise mom Missy Beavers stabbed dead with multiple puncture wounds
to the head and chest inside the local church. The
mom of three arrives around four a m. To teach
anaerobics class. Surveillance video actually catches her killer disguised in
full swat gear, and after watching the video, police suggest
(00:31):
the killer has an injured right foot. An unnamed male
colleague has his trash sifted through. But why Cops bring
in advanced stingray equipment to capture the killer's cell phone data,
but still no arrest. Who killed exercise mom? Missy Beaver's
good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
(00:55):
you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Fitness instructor. Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the
early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas church.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
The suspect captured on the Greeny surveillance video is still unidentified.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Wow, who killed Missy Beavers? After eight years, still no arrest.
First of all, listen.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
To this first time surveillance captured the suspect on video
was about ten minutes before four am. Miss Beavers arrived
at about four sixteen in the parking lot and entered
the church immediately a few minutes later she was inside
the church, not realizing the intruder was already inside, and
shortly thereafter she was murdered inside of the church.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Who is intent on committing a murder at four o'clock
in the morning? Who lay in wait for exercise mom,
Missy Beavers?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
This could not have been random?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But first to Scott Brooks,
publisher for the walksahatchieesun dot com. Scott, thank you for
being with us bring us all up today. For those
that don't recall the murder on Missy Beavers, what happened well.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Early on a Monday morning corn down rain.
Speaker 7 (02:15):
Missy was set up as usual to do her routines
or her class in a parking.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Lot of a local church on what is usually.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
A busy highway between Waksahachim and looked in and given
that it was raining, she went inside to set up
and that's when she was killed.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
That was only eighteenth, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
I was sure, as the head of the local media
company then that whoever did it would be called within
maybe hours or days but here we are eight years
later and still completely unsolved. As far as I'm concerned,
it just continues to be a bit of a cluster
of a mess in terms of solving this case.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
That's one way to put it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Over three thousand tips of come in on Missy Beaver's murder.
She leaves home in the early morning hour, still dark outside,
and she sends out a group text telling everybody, Hey,
we're still exercising gladiator style this morning, even though it's raining.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
We're moving our class indoors.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And she goes in around four point fifteen am to
set up who in the hay is out in the
rain entering that church waiting for Missy Beaver's Listen.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
As you probably already know, this case weighs very heavily
on us, our investigative team, our department. We know that
the community is hurting as well well. Committee to identifying
the person A person's responsible for Missy's death.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
We're not going to rest until we do so.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Joining us now In addition to Scott Brooks from the
Walks of House, She's son is Renee Jones. Renee is
Missy's dear friend and coworker. Renee, thank you for being
with us as the pass and Missy's case is still unsolved.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What goes through your mind?
Speaker 8 (04:06):
You're constantly trying to figure out who did it? Was
the car involved? Are the resources that we have enough?
You look at the facts, and although the facts are there,
the evidence is not. We know, like you said, we
know what times you arrived, we know what time the
perpetrator was in the church. But what we don't know
(04:29):
is who is this person, how did they arrive, did
the ultimate at the Swafa have anything to do with it?
And how did they get away without even being seen?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So many of the facts were out there in the
first months following Missy's murder. For instance, we see the perpetrator, Renee,
we know it had to be targeted. Who else would
be in the Midlothian church at that time of the day,
dressed in this get up, not looking for anything to steal,
(05:03):
just wandering around, wandering around until bam, they nearly collide
with Missy Beavers and then stab her dead. It's so
obvious to me, Renee, and we've looked at all the
usual suspects, many of them ruled out.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Who is this person? Renee? Do you believe it's a
man or a woman.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
My gut kind of tells me it's a woman, and
I tend to rely on that a lot, but at
the end of the day, it could be man. You know,
it's really tough.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Joining us is forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
and star of a hit series podcast Bodybags with Joe
Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you and I have poured over
the evidence in this case, and when you look at
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the perp walking through the hall okay testing he she
doesn't even know what they're there for, obviously, so they're
clearly not coming here to steal anything. I mean, who
singles out the creekside in Lothian Church at four o'clock
in the morning for Pete's sake? I guarantee you what
they're looking for. It's where is Missy Beaver's going to
have her indoor class. That's what they're looking for. But
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the person is slew footed, in other words, without deviation.
The right foot goes outward with every step. We know
the height, we know the approximate weight, We know that
this type of murder is typically committed by a man.
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We know it's got to be somebody within that area
or arranged by someone in that area.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Joe Scott, what more can be done for Pete's sake?
Speaker 9 (06:54):
I tell you this, the person that perpetrated this crime
had an awareness of that environment so much to the
point that they felt the need to cover their face,
so they knew that they would be in amongst cameras
with video surveillance. And here's another thing for me as
a former investigator, the idea of the timing. I don't
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know about you, you know, but you know the idea
of getting up at this time of day lies kind
of outside the norm for most people, and that you
have to meet up there before she is arriving. So
this requires quite a bit of planning. I think that
that's rather obvious, and just to get this rig on
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this person has, however they went about purchasing it. However
they went about acquiring it is going to be time
consuming as well. Did they do it out in the
parking lot. Did they do it at home, in the
safety of their home so that they could just hop
in the car and go. I think that those are
big indicators here.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The time of the day.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Even the weather outside suggests this was a targeted murder.
Speaker 10 (08:04):
Listen, mid Lothian, Texas is having some severe weather, not
severe enough to prevent mother of three, Missy Beavers, early
morning fitness class. As she posts on Facebook, if it's raining,
we're still training. No excuses, you are gladiators, Missy informed students.
Because of the rain, they will be training inside the
church rather than the parking lot.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
To Scott Brooks, joining US president, publisher walks out, how
she's son, Scott, She was in the peak. She was
at the peak of her physical powers. When she says
gladiator class, she minute, do you see those biceps on her?
My point is she could fight back Scott Brooks.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Yes, there's no question about it.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Missy was known in our community or her gladiator work.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
In addition to being a mom and I'm just a
good person. She was a gladiator as you just said,
and took this stuff really.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Serious, Scott Brooks. At the time.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Of course, at the time of a homicide, all the
dirty laundry comes out. Just because there may have been
marital issues does not mean the husband is guilty. As
a matter of fact, her husband was, as I recall
on a gambling cruise with a group of his friends,
kind of a trip they did every year, which makes
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me also think the killer knew the husband would be gone.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Of course, maybe did he plant? Did he hi hitman? Yeah,
anything's possible.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But no evidence that of that has ever emerged, even
though investigators have searched. Of course they looked the husband, lover,
boyfriend exs always the first suspect.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
He was not in town or even in state.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So I'm just trying to figure out what your thoughts
are on the marital problems because it opens up a
whole Pandora's box. If Missy Beavers had a boyfriend, did
the boyfriend's wife or girlfriend know? I mean, there's so
many avenues to investigate Scott.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
The rumors have been from the absurd to the just
level of vicious, and.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I don't know any of those to be true. I
believe in.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
What Brandon has shared these years, and most recently two
months ago in a two part series interview with me,
he continues to reinforce, at least in my mind, that
he has nothing to do with Missy's murder, and both he.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
And his father, who was kind of dragged into this
as a possible suspect. His father was in San Diego
at the time.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I recall that with the blood on the sure
that was taken to the laundry and it turned out
to be shihuahuah blood or something like that, it was
not human blood.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Guys, you're right.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
The husband was on a fishing trip, a trip he
took annually. Which makes me wonder was someone reading Missy
Beaver's text to say a boyfriend, an alleged boyfriend, because
I don't want to go down the road with dragging
her through the mud. But in a murder investigation All's
Fair Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, did someone read a
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text or an email from Missy saying my husband's going
to be gone. I'm curious and this is what we know.
Back to you, Joe, Scott and Morgan. Hey, let me
throw this to Tom Smith joining us, former NYPD detective,
co host of gold Shields podcast, and you can find
him at the gold Shields Show.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
This is what we've learned.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Now we all know how the FBI can determine a
height and weight of purp caught on video.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
They look at the.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Purp, say, standing in a doorway, then they go to
that doorway, they measure let's just say, that fire extinguisher cabinet.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
To your left. They go there and they.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Measure where the purp the height of that fire extinguisher,
and they can determine the height of the purp standing
beside it. See what I mean right there. That's just
one example. It's fairly easy to do. It takes a minute,
but we know the killer is between five to two
and five eight. They predominantly walk sleugh footed with their
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toes pointed outward. Look, they're not there to steal anything.
Watch the gate watch this purp. Man or woman. Don't
know so, Tom Smith, you've watched this over and over
and over.
Speaker 11 (12:53):
My initial thought was that it was a mail And
then the more I looked at it, the more I
looked at certain traits that were going on in the video,
I am comfortable thinking it's a female because of just
the walk. And the one thing that really stood out
to me was in one particular part of the video,
she uses the hammer to break a window. Now, not
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that females can wield a hammer like a male, but
just the way she hit one of the windows did
it for me that it was a female. Just the
kind of the way she did it is what triggered
it for me.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
You may like you throw a ball like a girl.
Is that when you're trying to say, go ahead and
put it out there. I don't care something like.
Speaker 11 (13:35):
That, you know. And it's nothing against anybody, but just
an observation of the way, you know, she hit one
of the windows.
Speaker 12 (13:43):
I got another phone call from the scene from a
female Midlothian officer and she said that Missy's no longer
with us and I didn't know.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
You did register that She meant like Missy had died.
Speaker 12 (14:04):
It absolutely registered.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
The suspect was seen wearing police want tactical gear, including
a black helmet and a vest with the word police
across the front.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And I agree with Tom Smith, former NYPD the whole
looking in windows and pulling up cabinets, that was all
for show, just waiting for Missy Beavers to walk in.
And earlier Scott Brooks interviewing Missy's husband. Again, he was
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way out of state at the time Missy was murdered.
And unless there's some intricate hitman plot that has never
been able to be deciphered, he didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So where does it leave us?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, everybody would find it really easy to put it
on the husband. Not this time, shocker. It's not always
the husband. Now, this is what we know. According to
a search warrant there was she released by l E
Law Enforcement in mid Lothian. We now know Missy Beavers
was allegedly having marital and financial struggles at the time
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of her death and believed to be in an intimate
relationship external to the marriage.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
That's what the documents say.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, a renowned psychoanalyst, joining us
out of LA her new book, deal Breaker, went to
work on a relationship and when to walk away, Doctor Bethany,
thank you for being with us. How many times have
I heard a defense attorney say every adulterer is not
a killer. But I can tell you this, doctor Bethany,
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reverse that. Think about it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Flip it. When you have a murder that.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Is in the middle of an affair, I find it
really hard to believe that the killer is not somehow
in that mix. I'm not saying the husband. Okay, I've
put him away. He's on a shelf. He's on a
suspect in my mind right now. I can revisit him
later because he's at a state. To this day, nothing
(16:12):
has been uncovered regarding a plot that he arranged the murder. Okay,
so step back, think who else in that a fair circle,
A wife, a girlfriend, an ex help me, thank Dr
Bethany the dynamic here.
Speaker 13 (16:31):
Let's go back to the perp for a second man
or woman. We know that this person has a mix
of masculine and feminine traits, so that narrows the pool
just a little bit. Right there. The person is wearing
tactical gear, which suggests that the purp gravitates towards positions
of power. And we know that people who are sociopathic
love they love power, so that narrows the pool just
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a little bit too. And then we extend it out
to this possible affair. It does sort of help us
to cast a wider net around people who might have
been preoccupied with Missy if she was having an affair
with a man, a man's girlfriend, a man's wife, a
jealous coworker. Love triangles are at the heart of homicides
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very very often. We also know that the perk was
probably not somebody who attended her fitness class, because if
he was, he or she was limping or pronating to
the right, and the purp looks kind of overweight, unless
this is very puffy tactical gear. This is not somebody
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who looks very fit. So it takes it away from
the fitness world, somebody who could have developed a preoccupation
with her, somebody who was in her class, and it
puts into the world of intimate relationships, because, Nancy, it's
in the context of intimate relationships that homicides occur most often.
I'm not talking about the husband, but think about it.
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In our most intimate relationships that we feel despair, rage, betrayal, angers.
So this person, I think was leaked in some way
emotionally to Missy or emotionally to the a fair person.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Okay, wait a minute, are you trying to sell me
on the idea that it was one of the women
in her class and not connected to the love triangle.
Speaker 13 (18:26):
No, I said the opposite. It's not somebody in her
class because this person does not look fit.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
How can you tell that they're garbed and you know
they might as well be wearing a burka.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I can't tell anything in that. We don't even know
as a man or a woman. What is that?
Speaker 13 (18:42):
I don't know Nancy, this person just doesn't look like
a paragon of health. I can't even tell you.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Why, Okayne.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
You know, Bethany, I respected you up until you said that,
because you're asking, you're telling me you don't think it
is somebody in their exercise class.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Because somebody that's.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Totally swathed in a want outfit, you can tell they're
not fit. You think everybody in an exercise class is fit.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I can guarantee you that's not true.
Speaker 13 (19:09):
And Nancy, did you see pictures of Missy doing the
lunges with the kettlebell. I mean this woman was fit.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
She was fit.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I know her. I'm talking about the you know what,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I did not expect your answer to be that what
I'm hearing. Renee Jones joining me. This is Missy Beaver's
friend and co worker. Were you familiar with her exercise class?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Absolutely?
Speaker 7 (19:35):
I was.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Absolutely I was.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
And to be quite honest, Nancy, our training guidelines were
to train to the masses. Our ultimate goal, even personally,
was to impact as many lives as possible in as
many places as possible.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I find it really hard to believe, Renee, that anyone
in her exercise class that she was teaching her gladiator class.
Is you know, a better way to put it, killed her.
I mean there may have been some jealousy or some
resentment of some sort.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I don't see it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Always looked up to my fitness instructors, But I don't
see that at all.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I don't think that's the right direction.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
I have to agree simply because the environment in the
culture that's created and was created in those camps was
one of family oriented, it was one of change, it
was one of faith.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Much has been made of the fact that Missy advertised
the date, time, and location of her class online.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Now you would think that that could.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Attract hundreds of crazy pervs. But remember we're talking about Midlothian,
Texas with a very very small population, very very rural.
So who was looking at Missy Beaver's posting. Who knew
she would be inside that day as opposed to all
(21:01):
other days when she held her class outside? Was someone
waiting for the moment?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Joining me an all star panel.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I want to go to Joe Scott Morgan joining US
Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure
and forensic program. Joe Scott, Let's talk about the mode
of murder, Okay, multiple puncture wounds to the face, the head,
(21:32):
and the chest. Now, as much as it seems to me,
someone five to two potentially to five eight with that gate,
with the matter of breaking the glass that Tom Smith,
NYPD detective described, I think it would be a woman.
But the mode of murder, stabbing her in the face
(21:53):
and the chest is more of a mail a typical
mail attack.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
This is an attempt I think at least to greatly
damage and disfigure her. Nancy, dear, and we're saying stab,
but these are punctures, which is completely different type of insult.
When you're talking about a puncture wound, imagine somebody being
driven through with a piece of rebar or a pole
(22:21):
or something like that. And that's what we're dealing with.
This instrument that they're talking about here, This hammer as
it's been framed, is quite interesting because you can have
puncture wounds that are created by a claw hammer if
you use the claw ind it could also be a
geology hammer, which has actually a spike on one end
(22:43):
of it a normal hammer on the other side. But
these are outliers, Nancy, in our field. When you talk
about death by hammer We hear a lot about these
over the years, but they don't happen with great frequency.
And what's fascinating about this is that this person goes
to all the trail to dress up as a cop,
to maybe present themselves as a police officer. But they
(23:05):
don't show up with a firearm, Nancy. They show up
with a hammer to use for a lethal instrument. Why
that that's very very intimate, Nancy. This ranks right up
there with stab wounds and other bludgeoning types of desks,
very up close and personal.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Scott Brooks joining us for the Max hoche Son. Scott,
what is a theory regarding the murder weapon?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Well, I'll tell you this, and I've never really said.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
This before publicly, but I would, given the sources that
we have, and they're confidential, I would bet my mortgage
that Missy was killed with the screw and that while
the medical exanitor says puncture wounds, we do see the
portrator walking around with the hammer. We can't tell what's
(23:54):
on both sides of that hammer. But what I can strongly.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Conform is that Missy was killed with a screwdriver. And
I don't know if you wanted to be any more
vivid than that, but that was that was the room,
the method of murder.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, Scott Brooks, why are you saying screwdriver versus hammer?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Because of the that we had that stalled Missy's body
within hours after her death.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Joining us now special guest doctor Michael Nirrenberg, podiatrists physician
and surgeon, forensic pediatrist who was called in all this investigation,
Doctor Nienburgh, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 14 (24:43):
Well, thank you Nancy for having me.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
How did you get involved in the Missy Beaver's murder investigation?
Speaker 6 (24:48):
I think it was.
Speaker 14 (24:51):
Someone from the Midloleian Police Department and after that I
ended up conversing mostly with an FBI agent or several
FBI agents on the case.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
What happened, Doctor Dhrenberg.
Speaker 14 (25:05):
So I was called in to look at the gate
of the perpetrator. And a gate is how we walk
or move in simple terms, and the manner in our
style of walking between people generally varies so well to
people can walk the same, most people tend to walk
(25:29):
a little differently and have different mannerisms and features of
their gate. Some people will swing their arms a lot,
for example, some people just let their arms dangle. So
I was asked to compare the evaluate and compare the
gate of the perpetrator within the church with that of
(25:52):
persons that the FBI sent me video of. And they
would just send me men, women. They would just send
me persons, and they didn't tell me if they were
persons of interest, if they were you know, like a
police lineup, if they were just police officers. And they
had me let them know if they walked the same
(26:15):
similar or they walked different.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Missy Beavers arrives at Creekside Church at four sixteen AM
and begins setting up for her five AM fitness class.
She doesn't realize there's someone else in the building. Video
surveillance inside Creekside Church shows a person dressed in full
police SWAT tactical gear walking through the halls of the
church with an unusual gait while clutching a hammer. The
unknown person uses force to get into the church when
(26:39):
he is first seen on video about three point fifty am.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Fitness instructor Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the
early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas Church.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
The suspect captured on the grainy surveillance video is still unidentified.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Joining our special guest, doctor Michael Nirrenberg. Doctor Nireenberg was
brought in by police to assist with the FBI investigation.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
The FBI showed doctor.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Nirrenberg video that has not been released to the public,
and it is very, very disturbing. In fact, it shows
Missy inside the church, Doctor Niirreenberg, What does the video
you saw depict all?
Speaker 14 (27:30):
The video was sent to me as far as I know,
and there was video of Missy arriving at the church,
setting up in the church. But the most emotional disturbing
part for me was where she stops doing what she's doing.
She walks into another hallway and you can see her
sort of like cock her head a little bit, almost
(27:50):
like she hears something, and she's sort of looking like,
what does she hear? She hears something, There's something that
stops her cold, and it's almost like, and I'm sure
people can relate to when you're watching those horror films
and you want to yell at the screen, you know,
get out of the house, because sadly we know what's coming.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know. Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD detective and
host of Goldshield's podcast. We spend so much time talking
about the evidence and the facts and the clues. But
do you hear what doctor Michael Nierenberg is saying that
there is additional video that he has seen that shows
(28:34):
Missy inside the church preparing for the class, and you
see her look like she hears something, and she does
she's hearing her killer.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
We very rarely think.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
About what she went through in the moments leading up
to her murder.
Speaker 11 (28:54):
Yeah, it's disturbing and it's sad, but that goes to
the setup, like I was talking about, for you know,
everything's laid out to show or to give the appearance
of a break in, and maybe the perpetrator made a
sound to get her attention to come in that direction
and then did what they had planned to do the
(29:14):
whole time.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Thanks to doctor Michael Narmerg joining us a physician and
surgeon forensic cadiatrist that was brought in on the Missy
Beavers murder investigation, Doctor Niermerg, you're telling me that the
additional video that has not been released to the public
shows Missy and the church preparing for her class.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
What room is she in?
Speaker 14 (29:36):
I do recall as where she walks out into the
hall and she starts walking down the hall and she
stops and you can see her like looking listening. You know,
she hears something, and you know, as a forensic scientist,
what we do is very dry, and it just brings
it home at the end of the day, that these
(29:58):
crimes are about, you know, people and what they experience,
and what your prior guest said. I actually took it
the other way that maybe I've often thought that maybe
the perpetrator was making noise because they did not think
anybody else.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Was in the church.
Speaker 14 (30:19):
That was my not as a forensic pediatrist, but just
as a person thinking about the case over the years,
I actually thought the reverse, that.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
He was making he or she was.
Speaker 14 (30:30):
Making noise because they just didn't think anybody was there,
and somehow they got surprised by her finding them.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Perhaps curious, Is it true the FBI asked you to
study the video of the suspect and you actually had
an officer reenact what happened with and without the swat
suit or the body armor. Right.
Speaker 14 (30:54):
So what I did when I first got the cases,
I went to my local police station. I'm out here
in northwest Indiana in a small towns and I went
to the police station, and I had a They agreed
to help, and the police officer who trains with SWAK
gear once a month, I videotaped him and took photos
(31:19):
of him walking with and without the police gear and
so so, and I actually put the gear on myself
at one point just to feel the weight of it,
and it was it was somewhat heavy. I forget the
exact weight of this gear, but I think it was
(31:39):
about forty pounds.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
And I remember.
Speaker 14 (31:43):
That that that the photos of him with and without
it actually showed him him shorter with with the with
the gear. When he was wearing the gear, it actually
shortened his height.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Question.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I call it solut footed. Some people call it duckfoot.
What percentage are a population?
Speaker 14 (32:04):
Well there well, and what I call it is is
out toeing. So when you're looking at out toe amount
of the population, there's varying degrees of out toowed out towing.
And what's interesting here is when we look at gates,
some people only out toe when their feet are land
(32:25):
on the ground. Some people out toe as their foot
swings through the air, suggesting that the whole leg and
knee are turned outward through the swing. And if if
you look here through the swing, not just when the
feet are on the ground.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (32:46):
There there's out towing to a to a significant degree.
You know, usually you see in most of the population
we were out towed about maybe ten degrees approximately or so.
So here you're seeing significant out toeing, and not just
when their feet are on the ground, but when they
(33:06):
swing that leg forward. You know, you look at the knee,
you look, you look at the the the arms. The
head is hanging slightly tilted. The head is slightly forward,
not directly back over the shoulders. One knee is stays
pretty much bent to a small degree. It doesn't completely
straighten the other the other knee straighter.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace got a question for you,
doctor in Nirrenberg. Isn't it true that as you say,
out toeing, as I say, slew footed typically manifests when
someone is younger, like a toddler up to adolescent.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You don't develop that gate later in life, do you.
Speaker 14 (33:59):
That's a great question, Nancy, And most people are out
tod due to like you said, genetics, heredity, but other
things can happen. You can have a you can develop arthritis,
you can have an injury to your knee, your hip,
your back.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
The majority of slew footed individuals have it as a youth,
a toddler to ten years it developed somewhere in that time.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Is that correct? The majority?
Speaker 14 (34:32):
I would I would say without researching it as a
as a estimate in my experience, the majority of people
it's when they're young this develops and then it stays
with them.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay, got it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So my point is doctor to just bring it home,
is that whoever this is likely has wont like this
since they were a toddler, and therefore people.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Around them know they want like this.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Like I spot my husband's gate a mile away, I
don't have to see his face. I know it's him.
Same with my son, same with my daughter. By the
way she holds her arms when she walks, you know
this person, but no one is coming forward. This is
someone in Missy's circle, someone that is connected to her
(35:23):
or someone she's involved with, who killed Missy Beaver's to
Scott Brooks joining US President publisher walks a Hoachie's son.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Does it just burn you up? Does it bother you
that somebody has to know who this purp is?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Someone that is connected to Missy Beaver's to her exercise class.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
No, not that.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
No, it's someone more connected to her. This is not
a robbery gone wrong. Typically when burglars are found out,
they run, they leave, they don't grab a screwdriver and
murder the witness. Plus, this purp was completely swathed. There's
(36:09):
no way she would have recognized them. Are they wearing
like a motorcycle helmet?
Speaker 8 (36:14):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (36:14):
And to answer your first question, for eight years, I
have been I wouldn't say obsessed, but I've certainly made
a commitment to Missy's family or girls, or a husband
and former husband, that we weren't going to stop as
a media company, making sure that we kept this.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Thing alive, so to speak, and that we.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Have somebody in our community, in my opinion, on the
loose free who did this heinous thing.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, hey, hey, back it up, Scott Brooks, he said,
somebody in the community.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I do not think that this was a hired hit
from you know, you didn't have the scorpion come in
from Columbia to kill Missy Beavers.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's right, man, Someone in this.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Community, in this region and did this thing. And for
all these years, Dr Bethany Marshall, they have sat back
and enjoyed watching us try and figure it out and
buy God, somehow we've got to get this killer, Bethany,
how happy do you think they are watching us try
(37:20):
to catch them, Nancy.
Speaker 13 (37:22):
Every time this crime gets covered, they get to live
and relive the excitement of the crime. This person enjoyed this,
as Joskine Morgan said, this was a very intimate, intimate attack.
It was full of rage, it was full of passion.
So this person is hiding in plain sight probably looks
sort of passive and slick and sort of harmless to
(37:43):
the community. But the community need to take a good
look around and see, you know, if there's a family
member or somebody that they know who's preoccupied with the crime,
because that could be a big clue. If somebody keeps
collecting data and watching and rewatching shows and interviews, that
suggests that there's still relishing in the act.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Doctor Bethany, you know what, and anybody on the panel
jump in if you watch this person. But when they pause,
they're not making a real effort to get any of
the into any of these doors that are locked.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
They're like on the on the handle and they move on.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
But at one point they pause there's one point where
the practically puts her hand on our hips.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I can practically see her.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
MKINI bod I can too. Yeah, you have a really
good point, but also a woman who has masculine traits.
So as I said earlier that that can narrow the
pool somewhat, maybe somebody who's non binary.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Is actually giving me a headache.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Doctor Nirenberg, Scott Brooks, Joe Scott, Tom Smith, Doctor Bethany.
We have lived this case and it is burning me
up that we have all this knowledge, but we still
don't have an answer for anyone that knows or thinks
that they know any information regarding the brutal murder, the
(39:06):
puncture murder of Missy Beavers. I ask you to please
dial the Middle Lothian PD nine seven two seven seven
five seven six two four repeat nine seven two seven
seven five seven six two four and trust me, it
is never wrong to do the right thing. There is
(39:32):
a one hundred and fifty thousand dollars reward, and it's
never too late to do the right thing. Nancy Gray
signing off, good night friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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