April 11, 2025 • 42 mins
It has been eight years since the Buckner family has seen or heard from Shapammala Latrisha Buckner.
She was 20 years old when she disappeared from the Houston apartment she shared with her boyfriend, shortly after a neighbor and a family member received concerning texts from her. They believe she was involved in an altercation just before she vanished, but police have released few details about the circumstances of her disappearance.
After reports of a disturbance the night before, Shapammala’s landlord stopped by to check on her. When no one answered, the landlord found her door unlocked and called Shapammala’s emergency contact. Family members arrived and found all of her belongings—including her phone, purse, ID, and keys—still inside. It was highly unusual for her to go anywhere without those items. After several days with no sign of her or any communication, Shapammala was reported missing. She was last seen at home the evening of March 21.
Late Tuesday night, a neighbor heard what sounded like an altercation next door. Knowing Shapammala should have been home alone, the neighbor texted to check on her. Shapammala responded that she wasn’t okay and needed help. When the neighbor asked if she should call police, Shapammala said yes—but authorities did not make contact with her that night.
Shapammala’s aunt also received a call from her, claiming she was being attacked in her home. The aunt rushed to the apartment, but someone else answered the door and refused to let her inside, claiming Shapammala wasn’t there. Shapammala did not respond to any more texts or calls that night.
Houston Police and Texas EquuSearch searched the area for Shapammala, believing she may have left the apartment on foot. However, the searches turned up no further clues. Investigators interviewed the neighbor and aunt, then spoke with several more possible witnesses.
Shapammala’s boyfriend was confirmed to have been on base that night, far from their Houston apartment.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
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Monica Revis - Cousin
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Billy Revis - Uncle
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Matthew Mangino - Attorney, Former District Attorney (Lawrence County); Author: "The Executioner's Toll: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and Executions of 46 Persons in the United States"
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Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
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Brian Fitzgibbons - Director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security; Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security
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Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Andy Kahan - Director of Victim Services and Advocacy at Crime Stoppers of Houston
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an absolutely beautiful recent high
school graduate. Pam vanishes from her Houston apartment.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
What vanishes?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And Toathan Air this after odd texts? I'm Nancy Grace,
this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Twenty year old Shappammela Buckner, known as Pam by her friends,
as living in Houston, Texas with her boyfriend when she
suddenly disappears. Neighbors report a heated altercation the night she
goes missing.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Where is this gorgeous young girl, Pam Buckner joining me
in All Star panel? But first I want to go
out to two very special guests joining us, Monica Reeves
and Billy Reavis' cousin and uncle, to this beautiful young
girl that seemingly vanishes from her own apartment.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But I'm not buying that.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Okay, there are no magic tricks. She didn't just disappear
into thin air. First of all, to both of you,
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Ms.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Monica Reevis, let me ask you this, what is meant
by odd texts?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Tell me about texts that seemed to.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Come from Pam.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
She was texting her neighbor.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
About something that was going on in her home.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
And to call police.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And then after that, what happened Miss rievis she Manish
guys joining us an all star panel. This is a
beautiful young girl that grew up with the very tight
knit family and they want answers and do you blame them?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
What happened? Listen? Do you guys believe that they harmed.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Shambla I do.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
I'm more conclusion if we can come up with at
this point.
Speaker 8 (02:04):
Schapamela Buckner twenty grows up in Houston. Chapamela is very
much in love with her boyfriend, with whom she shares
an apartment on Northboro Drive. However, with Chapamela's boyfriend serving
in the military stationed outside of Houston, Chapamela is frequently
home alone.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
After reports of a disturbance the night before, Shapamela's landlord
stops by to check on hers, and the landlord finds
Chapamela's door unlocked, so she calls Schapamela's emergency contact. Family
finds her phone, purse, ID and keys still inside. It's
very strange for Schapamelo to go anywhere without those items.
When several days have passed with no contact, She's reported
(02:40):
missing last scene at home the evening of March twenty First,
where is this beautiful girl?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
A little of that that you just heard with from
our friends at Thoughts twenty six, in addition to Pam's
cousin and uncle joining us an all star panel. First,
I want to go out to longtime friend and colleague
Andy Kahn, director of Victim Services in this jurisdiction. He
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works with crime stoppers in Houston. Andy, there's a lot
that stinks about this case, and I'm not sure why
we are hearing let me just say, rumblings that police
are not being transparent. Another question I have is you
(03:28):
know how I found this case?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Andy.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I happened to be scrolling through Twitter for stories for
ideas for cases that have not been covered yet that
needs some attention, and I found this. Why is it
not on the front page of the New York Times?
Because none of this makes sense. It's not like she
was a magician or a magician's assistant that somebody could
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just wave a wand and she disappears from her own apartment.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What's the deal? Andy Cohn?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Agree with you?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Because when I tried to find out information, particularly on
media coverage of Pam going missing. There was very little
stories out there. There was absolutely no follow up the
initial stories of her going missing, with the exception of
a special report by local Fox News who does a
(04:21):
segment called Missing in Houston.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
So I was just like you, I was kind of.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Puzzled as to why the media hasn't followed up on this.
But at the same time, let me tell you what
crime Stoppers can do and will do for this spamily.
We have a very unique program at crime Stopers dealing
with missing adults. If a missing adult goes missing and
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it's presumed to be as a result of criminal conduct,
we are ready to offer an up to a five
thousand dollars reward for any information leading up to the
arrest of the suspect and or suspects responsible for committing
any criminal conduct. So that's a key thing right now.
(05:09):
So if anyone out there knows what happened to her,
reach out to crime Stoppers. There's three ways you can
do it. Call us at seven one three two two
two tips, submit a tip online www dot crime dash
stoppers dot org. We have a mobile app available in
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over twenty languages.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And remember, well, let me understand andy, you're saying that
under certain circumstances which I believe this case to a t.
Crime Stoppers will offer five thousand dollars reward. That's just
a yes, No, that's yes. Joining me now, Crime Stories investigated.
Reporter Sydney Summer. Sydney, describe for me the area where
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Pamela seemingly disappeared.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Fancy. This is Houston, Texas. This is a bustling, huge city,
one of the biggest cities in Texas. And this apartment
is in a big area of town. It's frequented. It's
a nice place to be settled at twenty years old.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It looks like I'm seeing her out by her pool,
likely at her apartment.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Guys, it matters, It matters, Joining me.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Brian Fitzgibbons direct her operations USPA Nationwide Security, who leads
a team especially trained investigators specializing and locating missing people
at Uspasecurity dot Com. Brian, she did not just disappear.
The significance of what Sidney Summon just said is that
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we're not out like where I grew up in rural
Bibb County, where there's nothing but pine trees and soybean
fields as far as the eye can see. That really
decreases your suspect. Pool Monica and Billy Reeves us tonight
both agree she would never just pick up and leave
and let me go in and tell you right now,
(07:06):
I have ruled out the boyfriend. Hold on, Brian, I
want to nail that down, Miss Reeves. Mister Reeves, isn't
it true the boyfriend was stationed elsewhere, not far from Houston,
but he absolutely was on base the night that Pamela disappears. Yes, okay,
(07:28):
this is why I'm saying that. Let me go to
doctor Angie Arnold first, Brian. Doctor Angela Arnold is a
renowned medical doctor psychiatrist who specializes in the.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Treatment of women.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Just voted my Buckhead's best psychiatric practice of twenty twenty two,
twenty three, and twenty four, going on twenty five, Doctor Angie,
the reason I'm asking about the fiance is that that's
where we start every investigation. For statistical I'm not just
pulling it out of thin air. Explain why I was
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first focused on him.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
Statistically, Nancy, these types of crimes are proms of passion,
so that is why we look at the person that
is closest.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
To the victim.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
She's right, Brian, fitz Gibbons back to you joining us
from USPA Nationwide Security. You have to look at boyfriend,
ex boyfriend, lover, part time boyfriend, all men or women
in your life, because statistically that's the purp not true
(08:36):
in this case. Now, my original question to you is,
I don't like what Monica and Billy Reeves are saying
that there is no.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Publication publicity of this case.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That they're not getting answers from Houston PD. No offense
Houston PD, but they're not getting answers. It's impossible that
she was in her apartment or sitting by the pool
or whatever at that apartment and this she just dematerializes
into than air.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
That did not happen.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And the Reeves says are telling me she wouldn't just leave.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
She would not just leave. She's never done that. Did
you see that graduation photo of hers.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
She's wearing a gold banner around her neck for a reason,
and a gold tassel.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
She's an Honograd. That's what that means.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You don't get that from laying out of work or
laying out of school. She was responsible. She didn't just
take off and not tell her family. Brian exactly. This
is a beautiful young woman.
Speaker 11 (09:42):
And let's talk about the circumstances of this case that
make it so particularly disturbing. Bullet Point number one, we
just talked about we can exclude her boyfriend as a
suspect because we know that he was on base on
the military base at the t time of her disappearance.
Bullet point number two, she left her personal items, including
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her cell phone, wallet, keys, and things of that nature.
And then the last point is that the police response
time to this was significantly delayed, so we lost crucial evidence,
crucial eyewitness interviews in the.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
First Wait a minute, wait a minute, holds on.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm the first one, even though I'm from law enforcement.
I'm the first one, Andy conn that the police watched it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I would say, so, you know why.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Because you have to deal with that in order to
solve the case or prosecute the case.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's just a.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Reality when that happens, there's no sense in hiding it.
I don't think their response time was delayed. I think
that her being reported missing was delayed through the fault
of no one.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Andy.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, I mean you can look at it from Tutor Gouls.
I know Texas Ecosearch which I served as a board.
Remember they actually had a command station set up on
a search and hopefully a rescue back then, and I
know they went looking for her, they didn't find anything.
But ever since two thousand and seventeen, there just seems
(11:15):
to be a lack of interest or a concerted effort
or anything updates. There's been absolutely zero reports on any
of this. So, you know, I was just kind of
kind of stunned really that there hadn't been much attention
brought to this case. Like you said, there's a beautiful
young girl just just vanishes in the thin air, and
(11:37):
this is actually the first real focus that's going to
be put on hopefully finding Pam and if not, you know,
we've got a reward out.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
There, five thousand dollars reward Andy Kahn Crime Stoppers in Houston.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Thanks for stepping up.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
You know, I'm just trying to understand Rayphus Gibbons when
you say there was a delay in the police response.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
What were you talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Were you talking about the delight of reporting her missing
or is there some other delight I'm not aware of.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
So this was reported by the family.
Speaker 11 (12:09):
There was a disturbance in the apartment that was loud
enough loud and concerning enough that led Pam's neighbor to
send her a text and ask if she's okay okay.
Pam immediately replied with the last note with her last
known communication of saying, no call the police, according to
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the family, and I know they're here with us, and
they can confirm that the police arrived a significant time
later after that first call was made by the neighbor.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh, look at your screen. Look, Brian, look at the
photo right there. Look at Shapama right there. Look at
that little face.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Look at that beautiful smile. I mean, Monica.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I can hardly stand to look at it. I think
that this girl that was just a few years before
she went missing, this recent high school grad, Pamela Butler,
seemingly disappears, vanishes from her own apartment. Yet no one's
talking about it. Seemingly nobody cares. The family devastated. When
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you see these smiling photos of her, Monica, What goes
through your mind?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I don't even I have no idea. It's hard to
even put into words.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
What about it, Billy, Well, she's a very happy person.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
And see one type of person that I do wish
someone to get into it. Some ones because she was
a small person.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
So like we were staying in the beginning of our
family is close and we don't leave without communicating with someone.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Now I'm looking at these pictures of her, mister and
Missus Reeves, and she just reminds me so much of
my little girl growing up up. All the pictures, all
the outfits.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
All the birthdays. There she is with her easter basket.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Everything that you hope for them, you dream for them,
putting all your effort, your time, your money, your energy
into them. I get this cute little thing right here
that looks like that could have been a proof of
a school photo. You know, Andy con when you look
(14:34):
at these photos and you think that little girl grew
into the high school grab with the beautiful smile and
the gold tassle, and.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Now nobody seems to care what happened to her.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah. Like I said, I'm dis absolutely shocked, and I'm
just stunned that local media, with the exception of a
few stations, has actually on this story. There's been no
national stories until you, Nancy decided to focus on on this.
I mean, it's just a beautiful young lady. I would,
(15:10):
you know, if I could go back in time. I'd
love to see what happened that kind of made this
story not a story until now, and I don't get it,
but from at least from now, we are on it
at Crime Stoppers now that I've been brought into this,
and we're asking the public to step up to the
plate because guess what, somebody in the public knows what happened,
(15:33):
and the public is our best eyes and ears out there.
So do the right thing. Get in touch with Crime Stoppers.
All tips are anonymous, and help give this family the
answers that they so sorely lack.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Right now, where is twenty year old Shapamla Buckner. Family
and friends are desperate for answers as the search continues
for the young Texan woman.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Happened to Chapamela Butner. Let's take a look at the
facts as we know them from that night.
Speaker 12 (16:07):
It's late Tuesday night when a neighbor of Chapamela's here's
what sounds like an altercation next door. Chapamela should have
been home alone that night, so she sends Chapamela a
text to see if she's all right. Chapamela responds that
she isn't okay, and she needs help. The neighbor asks
if she should call the police, and Chapamela says yes,
(16:28):
But authorities do not make contact with Chapamela that night.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, I don't understand what that means.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Authorities do not make contact with Pamela that night. What
does that mean? Sydney summer? Did they not go? Did
they go and just go? Oh, nobody's there, let's go
get some coffee.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
What happened, Nancy? According to Chapamela's family, they can confirm
with you on this. The cops did respond to the
apartment after being called. They knocked on the door, no
one answered and it was left at that And that's
when Chapamela's aunt also came by the apartment to check
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on her.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Okay, speaking of the aunt, listen.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
Schapamela's aunt also gets a call from Schapamela claiming she's
being attacked in her own home. Shapamela's aunt rushes to
the apartment to check on her, but someone else answers
the door and refuses to let her inside, saying Shapamela
isn't there. Shapamela doesn't answer any more texts or calls
that night.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Do you know about the Forest Point Apartment Complex's on
Northborough Drive near Forest Edge Drive, Forest Point Apartments, and
I guarantee you, Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA nationwide security look at this.
If they have manicured front greenery, landscaped yards. Look at
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those trees to the left. That didn't just happen. Okay,
trees don't grow in a straight line. Look at all
those pansies right there. Look at the gate.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's what I'm leading up to.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
If you've got a gate that is mechanized to see
that sign on the gate, they've got security cams?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
What about it?
Speaker 11 (18:16):
Brian, Yeah, that's a big question that we have right is, Hey,
we know that there was a disturbance in the apartment.
We know what time that took place because that's forever
etched in the digital data of the cell phone messages exchanged.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
And it's a big.
Speaker 11 (18:34):
Question to me is why has this not been talked about?
We would have seen her leave the apartment on some
kind of surveillance, some kind of ring cam, and for
a place that that is that nice. To your point,
we have to assume that they have some sort of
surveillance system.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
What about it?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
To Monica and Billy Reeves family. Pamela is joining us tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Was there a.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Security guard behind all those flowers?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Was there a little gatehouse?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Was there surveillance video people coming in and out of
the apartment complex?
Speaker 12 (19:07):
Do you know?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
We don't know, and we're not sure what the police
investigation what do they have, But we don't get any
information from you.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Have you reached out to police? Have you tried to
talk to.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Them several times? Some calls were never returned and we're
wondering what happened.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Well, we tried to get in contact with some of
the investigators that were assigned at that time, and there
was no return phone calls.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
To Monica and Billy Reeves. Miss Reeves.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's my understanding that there are some security cameras at
Forest Point apartments, Yeah, such as where.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Run off is, possibly mailboxes and that's about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Brian Fitzgibbons, wouldn't that be your first stop? Even as
we're learning tonight they say there were not security cams
directly near her apartment, But don't you think whoever took
her left in a car.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
The car had to go out the front or the
back entrance, and that is where we believe there were
security cams, absolutely, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (20:18):
And there's also as police begin investigations like this, we
would have hoped that they'd check surrounding businesses that have
security cameras as well to follow some of that vehicle traffic,
where the next stop was, where their routes were. It's
concerning that it seems like that maybe has not been done.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Crime Stores, with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
To Matthew Mangino joining me, veteran trial lawyer, former district attorney,
author of the executioners, told Matthew, you and I covered
the Alexa Murdock double murder trial in the murders of
wife Maggie and son Paul. After that murder, when he
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was still walking free before he was arrested, he then
suffered a gunshot went into the head, which turned out
to need nothing but a band aid.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
He claimed he.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Was attacked on the side of the road, ostensibly by
the real killers who wanted to silence him. As it
turned out, he orchestrated the whole thing, but it was
in a very rural area, and we were told at
crime Stories, of course there was no surveillance video, and
I came up with the idea, well, what about when
you turn onto that rural road in the middle of nowhere.
(21:46):
Guess what, there was a Baptist church right there at
the turn with surveillance video. So what Fitzgibb has just
said it is really smart. There may not have been
a camera directly pointed at Pamela Butner's apartment that she
shared with her fiance, who has an airtight alibi, But
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what about the business across the street, or the crystal down.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
The street, or the McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
They have surveillance videos, right, so where's all that video?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Well, right, Nancy?
Speaker 6 (22:22):
And my concern here is a lack of urgency.
Speaker 13 (22:25):
So the police were called, they were told about a
potential altercation, they come, nobody answers the door. It's later
determined that in her apartment she's left all her belonging.
I mean, this should this should put up huge red
flags and then there should be some urgency. Where did
she go? When did she leave? And we also know
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that somebody answered her door when her aunt went there.
Well who was that person? Where does that investigation lead?
Speaker 5 (22:55):
You know?
Speaker 13 (22:56):
So my biggest concern here is there was a lot
of flags, but there was no urgency, and that's what
the problem is.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Houston PD and Texas Equisearch scoured the area for Shapamela Buckner,
believing she may have left her apartment on foot, but
the searchers turn up no further clues to her whereabouts.
Police interviewed Chapamela's neighbor and aunt about what happened that night,
then speak with several more possible witnesses. Chappaelo's boyfriend is
confirmed to have been on base that night, nowhere near
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their Houston apartment. Mystery swirls around the strange disappearance of
young Texan woman Chapamela Buckner, last seen at her apartment
following an intense argument reported by neighbors.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Is that true, Sydney Sumer? Is it true?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
When police arrived there was somebody in the apartment, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (23:47):
When police arrived, they knocked trying to perform a welfare
check responding to this call about the potential altercation, nobody
answered the door. Later, Chapamela's aunt also went to the
apartment to check on Shapameola after getting concerning texts and
a call from her, and that's when somebody answered the
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door and told Sapamela's aunt that Shapamela wasn't there, She
isn't there, she isn't home, and wouldn't let her inside
the apartment.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
How secure is Forest Point apartments there in Houston? According
to them, there is gated access, which means somebody had
to have access to get in and out.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And perimeter fencing. So what she climbed over a fence?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
That did not happen according to other reports, they're actually
police officers that patrolled three different properties. What happened to Schapamela?
You know, I'm very curious about what we're hearing regarding
an aunt to Monica and Billie Reeves joining us family
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of Pamela's.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Who is the aunt that went.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Over mister Raevis that knocked on the door and someone
actually answered the door.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
That's my sister.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
And but what I was understanding, she wasn't lady, And
I guess who's able to talk to just talked to
her out.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
On the ports and well, who was it? I'm not
sure of the person who it was.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Was it a woman or a man?
Speaker 6 (25:24):
What I'm saying he was a guy.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I wonder if she could identify him in a lineup. Guys,
this is what we're learning tonight.
Speaker 12 (25:30):
Listen, Houston PD officers do admit that foul play is suspected,
but they remain extremely tight lipped about the investigation, releasing
no more details. Police have not named any suspects or
persons of interest in the case.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
The lack of progress and transparency in Chappamelo's case has
her family frustrated. Based on Chappamela's last alarming conversations, the
family feels they know who is responsible for her disappearance.
They claim police have interviewed several people they believe were
at the apartment that night, but they were released and.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
No charges have been filed.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
We're suffering, and then they're just walking around freely with
not a care in the world, you know, like they's
nothing to them.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You were just hearing Monica when she was speaking to
our friends at Fox twenty six. Monica, do you believe
police know who's responsible for Pamela's disappearance?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Absolutely, and they will not share that with you until.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
They won't.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I don't get it, Andy Kahn, director of Victim Services
and Advocacy at Crime Stoppers of Houston. Why not share
it with the family. They're going through h double l you.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Know, Nancy, I don't know what's been shared, what's not
been shared. But let me tell you what we're going
to do with crime stoppers. We're going to pick up
this case. I'm going to ask the family to get
in touch with me. We have a whole new police
administration right now, so we're going to go ahead and
set up a meeting and we're going to get this
case back on the map and try to get this
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family some answers that they truly deserve, because right now,
grief is intensified when justice is lacking, and sadly, right
now justice is lacking for Pam and her family. But
we're on board. We're going to get this case back
where at lawed guys.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It's not the first time that seemingly everybody knew what happened.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yet nothing is done. Do I have to say, Stacy Peterson,
I guess I'm.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
A big story.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But Juli a waste to hear all your time.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
This story is preposterous.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
That she ran off with another man, she didn't take
her car, she didn't come back and talk to her kids,
she's never called her family.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's from our friend doctor Phil. And remember former police
officer Drew Peterson has been convicted in the murder of
his other wife, wife number three, Kathleen Savio, found drowned
in a bone dry bathtub. Everyone believes, which is, of course,
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won't Stan up in a cord of law that Drew
Peterson killed fourth wife Stacy, Yet her body has never
been found and nothing has been done to pursue the case. Okay,
what about Crystal Rogers, So Brooks, you go to bed
and she's still playing games on her phone. The next morning,
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around eight o'clock, you notice that she's missing. Did you
report her missing?
Speaker 14 (28:28):
No, ma'am? Why That is a great question and one
that I definitely want to hear the other public in
the media. I was not in the least little bit
alarmed in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, he's been charged in her death and disappearance. Now,
that was from our friends at hl N, Crystal Rogers,
Stacy Peterson. Is this a case out to Brian fit
Givens where apparently everybody has a very strong theory about
what happened to Sheapamela, but yet nothing's being done about
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it exactly.
Speaker 11 (29:09):
And that's why what Andy in his organization at crime
Stoppers is doing is so important. People know someone knows,
people talk and the time is to pick up the
phone and call crime stoppers. The time is now okay
to bring this family the answers that they are longing
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for and to bring justice to whoever was responsible for
Pam's disappearance.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And the family makes a really good point.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Listen, know in their hearts she didn't just up and
leave without a word.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
At that time, ty years old, no money or whatever.
Even if she will was gone for a while, she
had to eventually contact someone for some type of support.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
From our friends at Fox twenty six, what did you
mean by that, mister Ravis, just twenty years old with
no money, Where's she going to go? She had never
left before, she had always stayed in touch with her
whole family.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
What did you mean by that?
Speaker 7 (30:10):
I'm sure she had needs us needing something to eat,
any kind of needs.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
People just don't leave.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
And if you're not working on something at that time
or whatever, you have to call somebody, one to found
a member of stuff, bus up to pick you up
or come and get you, give you some support.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
We know for a fact something what went on and
what happened, and we have the text messages and everything
that she was, you know, speaking to the neighbor about
what was happening, and we've seen it from live from
what she was saying.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
From our friends Fox twenty six.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
The search continues for twenty year old texted woman Chapamela Buckner,
last seen at her apartment. Chapamela Buckner is African American,
four foot eleven with black hair and brown eyes. At
the time for disappearance, Shapamela weed one hundred pound and
wore her hair straightened. She has pierced ears and glasses.
If you have any information on Chapamelo Latricia Buckner, now
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missing eight years, please call Houston PD at eight three
two three nine four one eight four zero.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's not the first time someone vanishes from their apartment.
A beautiful young woman, seemingly without a trace, very reminiscent
of Jennifer Kessey.
Speaker 12 (31:39):
Jennifer Kessie usually calls her boyfriend Rob on her way
to work between seven thirty and eight am. When he
doesn't get the call, he remembers Jennifer told him last
night on the phone she had a meeting this morning,
so he calls and leaves a message. When Jennifer doesn't
show up for work, and calls around answered. Co workers
are concerned. It isn't like Jennifer to be a no call,
no show. Drew Enjoyce Cassie drive from Tampa to Orlando.
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In the condo, Jennifer's parents find a damp towel and
work clothes are laid out, like she got up and
got ready for work. The Kessie's alert police, family and
friends that Jennifer is missing. Two days into the search,
Jennifer's car is found at an apartment complex one point
two miles away from her condo. Surveillance cameras recorded a
person other than Jennifer parking her car and walking away.
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The image from the camera isn't clear enough to identify
the individual.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You know, Sidney Sumner, just like Jennifer Kessy.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
When the family went into her condo, they could tell
she was getting ready for work to go to work
that morning. She was there the night before. Her work
clothes were all laid out on the bay, you know,
trying different outfits with a shoes to go with them.
The shower stall was actually still damp, the towels were
still damp when they got there.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
But no Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And this case isn't it true, Sidney, that Sheapamela's belongings
were still in the apartment.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
That is correct, Nancy. All of her items that she
would have taken with her she left were still inside.
Her phone, her purse, her id, her wallet, her keys.
They were all left in the apartment. And that's not
something Chapamela would leave behind. I mean, how do you
she wouldn't have left willingly if her keys were still
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insult how do you even lock the door behind you?
This indicates that Sapamela was not intending to leave the
apartment that night.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
To Monica and Billy revis joining us. Has she ever
disappeared before? I mean, she's a recent high school grad.
She hasn't even lived long enough to quote disappear very often.
But wasn't she very close contact with all of her family?
Wasn't that her routine?
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Yes, at least she would go nowhere without her phone
to call one of us if she needed help.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
This goes against everything we know about routine, evidence evidence
of routine.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
She would never.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Leave without her phone number one and number like any
recent high school grad. They're not getting disattached from their phone.
But her phone was left behind, her purse, her keys, everything,
and also her routine of contacting family multiple times every day,
even if just to say hello, she didn't. She immediately stopped,
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dropped off the map. There's been no use of her
bank or credit cards, nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
She's definitely met with foul play. What About It? Brian Fitzgibbons.
Speaker 11 (34:28):
When we see major deviations from somebody's daily routine, that's
certainly something that's going to lead an investigation. Aside from
the obvious that we've mentioned a couple of times that
she left her cell phone, her keys, her wallet and
personal items behind. When we see a break in a
communication pattern, that's significantly concerning for the investigation.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I understand that Texas Equisearch has been involved in the case.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
What About It, Sydney.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Shortly after Shapamla disappeared, Texas Equisearch spent a short time
investigating the case, searching for Schapamela around the area of
her apartment, but it's unclear how involved EQUA Search still
is to this day.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
To Monica and Billy Ravis, Texas Equo Search joining in
the search.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
They're volunteers.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
But what have the police been doing to try to
find Chapamela.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
The last that we were told was that they was
going to go back over the case with the fine tooth,
come with more the more updated evidence that they did have,
but they never did reach back out to us after.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
It the leducation. Then all of a sudden, the person
goes missing.
Speaker 15 (35:36):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
You don't want to jump to no conclusion to say
something bad has happened.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
You just hope from our friends Fox twenty six.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Kee's first debit card. Everything was left at the house.
Chapameela Buckner's family says, the missing Texan woman didn't just
up and leave on her own. Where is Schapamela Buckner?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Everything's still there, but no Shepamela to Monica and Billy Revs'
family joining us tonight.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Have you been back to her apartment? What did you observe?
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Everything's still there as if they.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Live there, you know, Monica Reeves, Billy Reeves, I remember
a missing teacher and I went with her mother into
her home, Tara Grinstead, and her little home was just
picture perfect. It looked like it came out of a
home DECORPS catalog.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You know. She had it so cute.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And everything was in place, except she was missing. It's
like time froze and the most important thing, Tara was gone.
Now that was Sarah Grinstead's home. But in Chapamela's apartment,
did you see size of a struggle.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
In her Nie was closed everywhere, the bathroom was like
Stovo curtains, one floor, it was just anywhere.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
You know, I don't get it, Brian Fitzgibbons. There's clearly
been a struggle. Somebody answered the door. What is the problem.
That person has got to be at the very least
a pay person of interest, if not a suspect.
Speaker 11 (37:28):
Of course, and we know that the disturbance was big
enough that the neighbor contacted Chapamela and then called the police. Right,
So if this person or person's have remained squatting in
the apartment, you know, I'd like to know where they've
been for the next.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Eight years and what's happened.
Speaker 11 (37:49):
You know, they're absolutely persons of interest in my mind.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Listen, we're suffering and then they're just walking around freely
with not a care in the world, you know, like
they nothing to.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Them around fans at Fox twenty six to doctor Angela Arnold,
renounced psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor angel we've seen
this before. The family is suffering while they presumed perpetrator
is just walking.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Free with not a care in the world, just like
the family just said.
Speaker 10 (38:17):
Well, and you know, Nancy is the family appears so
sad today because I know that on the show, we
are all getting the feeling that it's like their hands
are tied. No one's communicating with them. If you hadn't
have brought this to anyone's attention, Nancy, it would just
be a cold case forever. And there's so many holes
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in the story. I can't imagine how they're getting through this.
And I can't believe the lack of concern that has
been shown by this police department.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
We need them to just go into detail and tell
everything that happened and what was the end result. Just
to be on it, just to come and talk to
doesn't tell us.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
From Fox twenty six, I mean, I'm curious to Billy Reeves,
it's just Sheppamoa's uncle.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
How does that make you feel to think someone took her,
possibly killed her.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And they're walking free and you cannot get straight answers
from the Houston Police Department.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
What's happening?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Do you think they know information they can't tell you
that would somehow compromise the investigation.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I want to hear your feelings.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Well, that's what I'm thinking. If they have.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Information and because the case is still open, they won't
share it with us. From that point, that's all we
can go with is that it's ongoing occasion, they don't
want to put out too much information.
Speaker 15 (39:51):
Is that your thought, Monica, Well, we had a meeting
with them again with HBD and from and they have
everything they need to know.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
They showed it to us and they just haven't did anything.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
And what are your thoughts on that they.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Need to do their job because they already know. They
basically pretty much showed me and told me everything, and
I showed them a lot of information and they basically
had much.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
Shots of so many people that are involved, and they.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Know, but yet nothing is happening.
Speaker 14 (40:25):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Did they explain why they're not doing anything.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
We haven't spoke with them again. Every time I email
them or contact them called. I even had the investigative
cell number, they stopped responding.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance of this recent high school grad Pamela Buckner, please
call Houston p D eight three two three nine, four
one eight four zero. Tonight, we announced a five thousand
dollars reward for information leading to cracking this case at
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Houston Crime Stoppers seven.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
One three two two two eight four.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Seven seven repeat seven one three, two, two two, eight
four seven seven. Please help us solve the case. For
Chappamela's family, we remember an American hero. Correctional Sergeant Andrew
fought Illinois Department Corrections, passed away in the line of duty.
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He served six years with Ellie and survived by parents
Linda and Eric, Timothy and Gina, and siblings Ashley, Patrick, Deborah, Cassidy, Katie, Aaron,
and Savannah. American hero correctional Sergeant Andrew fought Nancy Gray
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signing off goodbye Friendti
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an absolutely beautiful recent high
school graduate. Pam vanishes from her Houston apartment.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
What vanishes?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And Toathan Air this after odd texts? I'm Nancy Grace,
this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Twenty year old Shappammela Buckner, known as Pam by her friends,
as living in Houston, Texas with her boyfriend when she
suddenly disappears. Neighbors report a heated altercation the night she
goes missing.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Where is this gorgeous young girl, Pam Buckner joining me
in All Star panel? But first I want to go
out to two very special guests joining us, Monica Reeves
and Billy Reavis' cousin and uncle, to this beautiful young
girl that seemingly vanishes from her own apartment.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But I'm not buying that.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Okay, there are no magic tricks. She didn't just disappear
into thin air. First of all, to both of you,
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Ms.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Monica Reevis, let me ask you this, what is meant
by odd texts?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Tell me about texts that seemed to.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Come from Pam.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
She was texting her neighbor.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
About something that was going on in her home.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
And to call police.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And then after that, what happened Miss rievis she Manish
guys joining us an all star panel. This is a
beautiful young girl that grew up with the very tight
knit family and they want answers and do you blame them?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
What happened? Listen? Do you guys believe that they harmed.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Shambla I do.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
I'm more conclusion if we can come up with at
this point.
Speaker 8 (02:04):
Schapamela Buckner twenty grows up in Houston. Chapamela is very
much in love with her boyfriend, with whom she shares
an apartment on Northboro Drive. However, with Chapamela's boyfriend serving
in the military stationed outside of Houston, Chapamela is frequently
home alone.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
After reports of a disturbance the night before, Shapamela's landlord
stops by to check on hers, and the landlord finds
Chapamela's door unlocked, so she calls Schapamela's emergency contact. Family
finds her phone, purse, ID and keys still inside. It's
very strange for Schapamelo to go anywhere without those items.
When several days have passed with no contact, She's reported
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missing last scene at home the evening of March twenty First,
where is this beautiful girl?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
A little of that that you just heard with from
our friends at Thoughts twenty six, in addition to Pam's
cousin and uncle joining us an all star panel. First,
I want to go out to longtime friend and colleague
Andy Kahn, director of Victim Services in this jurisdiction. He
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works with crime stoppers in Houston. Andy, there's a lot
that stinks about this case, and I'm not sure why
we are hearing let me just say, rumblings that police
are not being transparent. Another question I have is you
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know how I found this case?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Andy.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I happened to be scrolling through Twitter for stories for
ideas for cases that have not been covered yet that
needs some attention, and I found this. Why is it
not on the front page of the New York Times?
Because none of this makes sense. It's not like she
was a magician or a magician's assistant that somebody could
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just wave a wand and she disappears from her own apartment.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What's the deal? Andy Cohn?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Agree with you?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Because when I tried to find out information, particularly on
media coverage of Pam going missing. There was very little
stories out there. There was absolutely no follow up the
initial stories of her going missing, with the exception of
a special report by local Fox News who does a
(04:21):
segment called Missing in Houston.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
So I was just like you, I was kind of.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Puzzled as to why the media hasn't followed up on this.
But at the same time, let me tell you what
crime Stoppers can do and will do for this spamily.
We have a very unique program at crime Stopers dealing
with missing adults. If a missing adult goes missing and
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it's presumed to be as a result of criminal conduct,
we are ready to offer an up to a five
thousand dollars reward for any information leading up to the
arrest of the suspect and or suspects responsible for committing
any criminal conduct. So that's a key thing right now.
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So if anyone out there knows what happened to her,
reach out to crime Stoppers. There's three ways you can
do it. Call us at seven one three two two
two tips, submit a tip online www dot crime dash
stoppers dot org. We have a mobile app available in
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over twenty languages.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And remember, well, let me understand andy, you're saying that
under certain circumstances which I believe this case to a t.
Crime Stoppers will offer five thousand dollars reward. That's just
a yes, No, that's yes. Joining me now, Crime Stories investigated.
Reporter Sydney Summer. Sydney, describe for me the area where
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Pamela seemingly disappeared.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Fancy. This is Houston, Texas. This is a bustling, huge city,
one of the biggest cities in Texas. And this apartment
is in a big area of town. It's frequented. It's
a nice place to be settled at twenty years old.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It looks like I'm seeing her out by her pool,
likely at her apartment.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Guys, it matters, It matters, Joining me.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Brian Fitzgibbons direct her operations USPA Nationwide Security, who leads
a team especially trained investigators specializing and locating missing people
at Uspasecurity dot Com. Brian, she did not just disappear.
The significance of what Sidney Summon just said is that
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we're not out like where I grew up in rural
Bibb County, where there's nothing but pine trees and soybean
fields as far as the eye can see. That really
decreases your suspect. Pool Monica and Billy Reeves us tonight
both agree she would never just pick up and leave
and let me go in and tell you right now,
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I have ruled out the boyfriend. Hold on, Brian, I
want to nail that down, Miss Reeves. Mister Reeves, isn't
it true the boyfriend was stationed elsewhere, not far from Houston,
but he absolutely was on base the night that Pamela disappears. Yes, okay,
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this is why I'm saying that. Let me go to
doctor Angie Arnold first, Brian. Doctor Angela Arnold is a
renowned medical doctor psychiatrist who specializes in the.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Treatment of women.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Just voted my Buckhead's best psychiatric practice of twenty twenty two,
twenty three, and twenty four, going on twenty five, Doctor Angie,
the reason I'm asking about the fiance is that that's
where we start every investigation. For statistical I'm not just
pulling it out of thin air. Explain why I was
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first focused on him.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
Statistically, Nancy, these types of crimes are proms of passion,
so that is why we look at the person that
is closest.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
To the victim.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
She's right, Brian, fitz Gibbons back to you joining us
from USPA Nationwide Security. You have to look at boyfriend,
ex boyfriend, lover, part time boyfriend, all men or women
in your life, because statistically that's the purp not true
(08:36):
in this case. Now, my original question to you is,
I don't like what Monica and Billy Reeves are saying
that there is no.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Publication publicity of this case.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That they're not getting answers from Houston PD. No offense
Houston PD, but they're not getting answers. It's impossible that
she was in her apartment or sitting by the pool
or whatever at that apartment and this she just dematerializes
into than air.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
That did not happen.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And the Reeves says are telling me she wouldn't just leave.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
She would not just leave. She's never done that. Did
you see that graduation photo of hers.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
She's wearing a gold banner around her neck for a reason,
and a gold tassel.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
She's an Honograd. That's what that means.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You don't get that from laying out of work or
laying out of school. She was responsible. She didn't just
take off and not tell her family. Brian exactly. This
is a beautiful young woman.
Speaker 11 (09:42):
And let's talk about the circumstances of this case that
make it so particularly disturbing. Bullet Point number one, we
just talked about we can exclude her boyfriend as a
suspect because we know that he was on base on
the military base at the t time of her disappearance.
Bullet point number two, she left her personal items, including
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her cell phone, wallet, keys, and things of that nature.
And then the last point is that the police response
time to this was significantly delayed, so we lost crucial evidence,
crucial eyewitness interviews in the.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
First Wait a minute, wait a minute, holds on.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm the first one, even though I'm from law enforcement.
I'm the first one, Andy conn that the police watched it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I would say, so, you know why.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Because you have to deal with that in order to
solve the case or prosecute the case.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's just a.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Reality when that happens, there's no sense in hiding it.
I don't think their response time was delayed. I think
that her being reported missing was delayed through the fault
of no one.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Andy.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, I mean you can look at it from Tutor Gouls.
I know Texas Ecosearch which I served as a board.
Remember they actually had a command station set up on
a search and hopefully a rescue back then, and I
know they went looking for her, they didn't find anything.
But ever since two thousand and seventeen, there just seems
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to be a lack of interest or a concerted effort
or anything updates. There's been absolutely zero reports on any
of this. So, you know, I was just kind of
kind of stunned really that there hadn't been much attention
brought to this case. Like you said, there's a beautiful
young girl just just vanishes in the thin air, and
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this is actually the first real focus that's going to
be put on hopefully finding Pam and if not, you know,
we've got a reward out.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
There, five thousand dollars reward Andy Kahn Crime Stoppers in Houston.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Thanks for stepping up.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
You know, I'm just trying to understand Rayphus Gibbons when
you say there was a delay in the police response.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
What were you talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Were you talking about the delight of reporting her missing
or is there some other delight I'm not aware of.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
So this was reported by the family.
Speaker 11 (12:09):
There was a disturbance in the apartment that was loud
enough loud and concerning enough that led Pam's neighbor to
send her a text and ask if she's okay okay.
Pam immediately replied with the last note with her last
known communication of saying, no call the police, according to
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the family, and I know they're here with us, and
they can confirm that the police arrived a significant time
later after that first call was made by the neighbor.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh, look at your screen. Look, Brian, look at the
photo right there. Look at Shapama right there. Look at
that little face.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Look at that beautiful smile. I mean, Monica.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I can hardly stand to look at it. I think
that this girl that was just a few years before
she went missing, this recent high school grad, Pamela Butler,
seemingly disappears, vanishes from her own apartment. Yet no one's
talking about it. Seemingly nobody cares. The family devastated. When
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you see these smiling photos of her, Monica, What goes
through your mind?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I don't even I have no idea. It's hard to
even put into words.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
What about it, Billy, Well, she's a very happy person.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
And see one type of person that I do wish
someone to get into it. Some ones because she was
a small person.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
So like we were staying in the beginning of our
family is close and we don't leave without communicating with someone.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Now I'm looking at these pictures of her, mister and
Missus Reeves, and she just reminds me so much of
my little girl growing up up. All the pictures, all
the outfits.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
All the birthdays. There she is with her easter basket.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Everything that you hope for them, you dream for them,
putting all your effort, your time, your money, your energy
into them. I get this cute little thing right here
that looks like that could have been a proof of
a school photo. You know, Andy con when you look
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at these photos and you think that little girl grew
into the high school grab with the beautiful smile and
the gold tassle, and.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Now nobody seems to care what happened to her.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah. Like I said, I'm dis absolutely shocked, and I'm
just stunned that local media, with the exception of a
few stations, has actually on this story. There's been no
national stories until you, Nancy decided to focus on on this.
I mean, it's just a beautiful young lady. I would,
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you know, if I could go back in time. I'd
love to see what happened that kind of made this
story not a story until now, and I don't get it,
but from at least from now, we are on it
at Crime Stoppers now that I've been brought into this,
and we're asking the public to step up to the
plate because guess what, somebody in the public knows what happened,
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and the public is our best eyes and ears out there.
So do the right thing. Get in touch with Crime Stoppers.
All tips are anonymous, and help give this family the
answers that they so sorely lack.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Right now, where is twenty year old Shapamla Buckner. Family
and friends are desperate for answers as the search continues
for the young Texan woman.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Happened to Chapamela Butner. Let's take a look at the
facts as we know them from that night.
Speaker 12 (16:07):
It's late Tuesday night when a neighbor of Chapamela's here's
what sounds like an altercation next door. Chapamela should have
been home alone that night, so she sends Chapamela a
text to see if she's all right. Chapamela responds that
she isn't okay, and she needs help. The neighbor asks
if she should call the police, and Chapamela says yes,
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But authorities do not make contact with Chapamela that night.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Okay, I don't understand what that means.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Authorities do not make contact with Pamela that night. What
does that mean? Sydney summer? Did they not go? Did
they go and just go? Oh, nobody's there, let's go
get some coffee.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
What happened, Nancy? According to Chapamela's family, they can confirm
with you on this. The cops did respond to the
apartment after being called. They knocked on the door, no
one answered and it was left at that And that's
when Chapamela's aunt also came by the apartment to check
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on her.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Okay, speaking of the aunt, listen.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
Schapamela's aunt also gets a call from Schapamela claiming she's
being attacked in her own home. Shapamela's aunt rushes to
the apartment to check on her, but someone else answers
the door and refuses to let her inside, saying Shapamela
isn't there. Shapamela doesn't answer any more texts or calls
that night.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Do you know about the Forest Point Apartment Complex's on
Northborough Drive near Forest Edge Drive, Forest Point Apartments, and
I guarantee you, Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA nationwide security look at this.
If they have manicured front greenery, landscaped yards. Look at
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those trees to the left. That didn't just happen. Okay,
trees don't grow in a straight line. Look at all
those pansies right there. Look at the gate.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's what I'm leading up to.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
If you've got a gate that is mechanized to see
that sign on the gate, they've got security cams?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
What about it?
Speaker 11 (18:16):
Brian, Yeah, that's a big question that we have right is, Hey,
we know that there was a disturbance in the apartment.
We know what time that took place because that's forever
etched in the digital data of the cell phone messages exchanged.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
And it's a big.
Speaker 11 (18:34):
Question to me is why has this not been talked about?
We would have seen her leave the apartment on some
kind of surveillance, some kind of ring cam, and for
a place that that is that nice. To your point,
we have to assume that they have some sort of
surveillance system.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
What about it?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
To Monica and Billy Reeves family. Pamela is joining us tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Was there a.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Security guard behind all those flowers?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Was there a little gatehouse?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Was there surveillance video people coming in and out of
the apartment complex?
Speaker 12 (19:07):
Do you know?
Speaker 7 (19:08):
We don't know, and we're not sure what the police
investigation what do they have, But we don't get any
information from you.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Have you reached out to police? Have you tried to
talk to.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Them several times? Some calls were never returned and we're
wondering what happened.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Well, we tried to get in contact with some of
the investigators that were assigned at that time, and there
was no return phone calls.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
To Monica and Billy Reeves. Miss Reeves.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
It's my understanding that there are some security cameras at
Forest Point apartments, Yeah, such as where.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Run off is, possibly mailboxes and that's about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Brian Fitzgibbons, wouldn't that be your first stop? Even as
we're learning tonight they say there were not security cams
directly near her apartment, But don't you think whoever took
her left in a car.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
The car had to go out the front or the
back entrance, and that is where we believe there were
security cams, absolutely, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (20:18):
And there's also as police begin investigations like this, we
would have hoped that they'd check surrounding businesses that have
security cameras as well to follow some of that vehicle traffic,
where the next stop was, where their routes were. It's
concerning that it seems like that maybe has not been done.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Crime Stores, with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
To Matthew Mangino joining me, veteran trial lawyer, former district attorney,
author of the executioners, told Matthew, you and I covered
the Alexa Murdock double murder trial in the murders of
wife Maggie and son Paul. After that murder, when he
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was still walking free before he was arrested, he then
suffered a gunshot went into the head, which turned out
to need nothing but a band aid.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
He claimed he.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Was attacked on the side of the road, ostensibly by
the real killers who wanted to silence him. As it
turned out, he orchestrated the whole thing, but it was
in a very rural area, and we were told at
crime Stories, of course there was no surveillance video, and
I came up with the idea, well, what about when
you turn onto that rural road in the middle of nowhere.
(21:46):
Guess what, there was a Baptist church right there at
the turn with surveillance video. So what Fitzgibb has just
said it is really smart. There may not have been
a camera directly pointed at Pamela Butner's apartment that she
shared with her fiance, who has an airtight alibi, But
(22:09):
what about the business across the street, or the crystal down.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
The street, or the McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
They have surveillance videos, right, so where's all that video?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Well, right, Nancy?
Speaker 6 (22:22):
And my concern here is a lack of urgency.
Speaker 13 (22:25):
So the police were called, they were told about a
potential altercation, they come, nobody answers the door. It's later
determined that in her apartment she's left all her belonging.
I mean, this should this should put up huge red
flags and then there should be some urgency. Where did
she go? When did she leave? And we also know
(22:47):
that somebody answered her door when her aunt went there.
Well who was that person? Where does that investigation lead?
Speaker 5 (22:55):
You know?
Speaker 13 (22:56):
So my biggest concern here is there was a lot
of flags, but there was no urgency, and that's what
the problem is.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Houston PD and Texas Equisearch scoured the area for Shapamela Buckner,
believing she may have left her apartment on foot, but
the searchers turn up no further clues to her whereabouts.
Police interviewed Chapamela's neighbor and aunt about what happened that night,
then speak with several more possible witnesses. Chappaelo's boyfriend is
confirmed to have been on base that night, nowhere near
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their Houston apartment. Mystery swirls around the strange disappearance of
young Texan woman Chapamela Buckner, last seen at her apartment
following an intense argument reported by neighbors.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Is that true, Sydney Sumer? Is it true?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
When police arrived there was somebody in the apartment, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (23:47):
When police arrived, they knocked trying to perform a welfare
check responding to this call about the potential altercation, nobody
answered the door. Later, Chapamela's aunt also went to the
apartment to check on Shapameola after getting concerning texts and
a call from her, and that's when somebody answered the
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door and told Sapamela's aunt that Shapamela wasn't there, She
isn't there, she isn't home, and wouldn't let her inside
the apartment.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
How secure is Forest Point apartments there in Houston? According
to them, there is gated access, which means somebody had
to have access to get in and out.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And perimeter fencing. So what she climbed over a fence?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
That did not happen according to other reports, they're actually
police officers that patrolled three different properties. What happened to Schapamela?
You know, I'm very curious about what we're hearing regarding
an aunt to Monica and Billie Reeves joining us family
(24:57):
of Pamela's.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Who is the aunt that went.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Over mister Raevis that knocked on the door and someone
actually answered the door.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
That's my sister.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
And but what I was understanding, she wasn't lady, And
I guess who's able to talk to just talked to
her out.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
On the ports and well, who was it? I'm not
sure of the person who it was.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Was it a woman or a man?
Speaker 6 (25:24):
What I'm saying he was a guy.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I wonder if she could identify him in a lineup. Guys,
this is what we're learning tonight.
Speaker 12 (25:30):
Listen, Houston PD officers do admit that foul play is suspected,
but they remain extremely tight lipped about the investigation, releasing
no more details. Police have not named any suspects or
persons of interest in the case.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
The lack of progress and transparency in Chappamelo's case has
her family frustrated. Based on Chappamela's last alarming conversations, the
family feels they know who is responsible for her disappearance.
They claim police have interviewed several people they believe were
at the apartment that night, but they were released and.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
No charges have been filed.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
We're suffering, and then they're just walking around freely with
not a care in the world, you know, like they's
nothing to them.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You were just hearing Monica when she was speaking to
our friends at Fox twenty six. Monica, do you believe
police know who's responsible for Pamela's disappearance?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Absolutely, and they will not share that with you until.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
They won't.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I don't get it, Andy Kahn, director of Victim Services
and Advocacy at Crime Stoppers of Houston. Why not share
it with the family. They're going through h double l you.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Know, Nancy, I don't know what's been shared, what's not
been shared. But let me tell you what we're going
to do with crime stoppers. We're going to pick up
this case. I'm going to ask the family to get
in touch with me. We have a whole new police
administration right now, so we're going to go ahead and
set up a meeting and we're going to get this
case back on the map and try to get this
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family some answers that they truly deserve, because right now,
grief is intensified when justice is lacking, and sadly, right
now justice is lacking for Pam and her family. But
we're on board. We're going to get this case back
where at lawed guys.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
It's not the first time that seemingly everybody knew what happened.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yet nothing is done. Do I have to say, Stacy Peterson,
I guess I'm.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
A big story.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But Juli a waste to hear all your time.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
This story is preposterous.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
That she ran off with another man, she didn't take
her car, she didn't come back and talk to her kids,
she's never called her family.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's from our friend doctor Phil. And remember former police
officer Drew Peterson has been convicted in the murder of
his other wife, wife number three, Kathleen Savio, found drowned
in a bone dry bathtub. Everyone believes, which is, of course,
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won't Stan up in a cord of law that Drew
Peterson killed fourth wife Stacy, Yet her body has never
been found and nothing has been done to pursue the case. Okay,
what about Crystal Rogers, So Brooks, you go to bed
and she's still playing games on her phone. The next morning,
(28:23):
around eight o'clock, you notice that she's missing. Did you
report her missing?
Speaker 14 (28:28):
No, ma'am? Why That is a great question and one
that I definitely want to hear the other public in
the media. I was not in the least little bit
alarmed in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, he's been charged in her death and disappearance. Now,
that was from our friends at hl N, Crystal Rogers,
Stacy Peterson. Is this a case out to Brian fit
Givens where apparently everybody has a very strong theory about
what happened to Sheapamela, but yet nothing's being done about
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it exactly.
Speaker 11 (29:09):
And that's why what Andy in his organization at crime
Stoppers is doing is so important. People know someone knows,
people talk and the time is to pick up the
phone and call crime stoppers. The time is now okay
to bring this family the answers that they are longing
(29:29):
for and to bring justice to whoever was responsible for
Pam's disappearance.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And the family makes a really good point.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Listen, know in their hearts she didn't just up and
leave without a word.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
At that time, ty years old, no money or whatever.
Even if she will was gone for a while, she
had to eventually contact someone for some type of support.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
From our friends at Fox twenty six, what did you
mean by that, mister Ravis, just twenty years old with
no money, Where's she going to go? She had never
left before, she had always stayed in touch with her
whole family.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
What did you mean by that?
Speaker 7 (30:10):
I'm sure she had needs us needing something to eat,
any kind of needs.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
People just don't leave.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
And if you're not working on something at that time
or whatever, you have to call somebody, one to found
a member of stuff, bus up to pick you up
or come and get you, give you some support.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
We know for a fact something what went on and
what happened, and we have the text messages and everything
that she was, you know, speaking to the neighbor about
what was happening, and we've seen it from live from
what she was saying.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
From our friends Fox twenty six.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
The search continues for twenty year old texted woman Chapamela Buckner,
last seen at her apartment. Chapamela Buckner is African American,
four foot eleven with black hair and brown eyes. At
the time for disappearance, Shapamela weed one hundred pound and
wore her hair straightened. She has pierced ears and glasses.
If you have any information on Chapamelo Latricia Buckner, now
(31:08):
missing eight years, please call Houston PD at eight three
two three nine four one eight four zero.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's not the first time someone vanishes from their apartment.
A beautiful young woman, seemingly without a trace, very reminiscent
of Jennifer Kessey.
Speaker 12 (31:39):
Jennifer Kessie usually calls her boyfriend Rob on her way
to work between seven thirty and eight am. When he
doesn't get the call, he remembers Jennifer told him last
night on the phone she had a meeting this morning,
so he calls and leaves a message. When Jennifer doesn't
show up for work, and calls around answered. Co workers
are concerned. It isn't like Jennifer to be a no call,
no show. Drew Enjoyce Cassie drive from Tampa to Orlando.
(32:00):
In the condo, Jennifer's parents find a damp towel and
work clothes are laid out, like she got up and
got ready for work. The Kessie's alert police, family and
friends that Jennifer is missing. Two days into the search,
Jennifer's car is found at an apartment complex one point
two miles away from her condo. Surveillance cameras recorded a
person other than Jennifer parking her car and walking away.
(32:20):
The image from the camera isn't clear enough to identify
the individual.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You know, Sidney Sumner, just like Jennifer Kessy.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
When the family went into her condo, they could tell
she was getting ready for work to go to work
that morning. She was there the night before. Her work
clothes were all laid out on the bay, you know,
trying different outfits with a shoes to go with them.
The shower stall was actually still damp, the towels were
still damp when they got there.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
But no Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And this case isn't it true, Sidney, that Sheapamela's belongings
were still in the apartment.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
That is correct, Nancy. All of her items that she
would have taken with her she left were still inside.
Her phone, her purse, her id, her wallet, her keys.
They were all left in the apartment. And that's not
something Chapamela would leave behind. I mean, how do you
she wouldn't have left willingly if her keys were still
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insult how do you even lock the door behind you?
This indicates that Sapamela was not intending to leave the
apartment that night.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
To Monica and Billy revis joining us. Has she ever
disappeared before? I mean, she's a recent high school grad.
She hasn't even lived long enough to quote disappear very often.
But wasn't she very close contact with all of her family?
Wasn't that her routine?
Speaker 7 (33:42):
Yes, at least she would go nowhere without her phone
to call one of us if she needed help.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
This goes against everything we know about routine, evidence evidence
of routine.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
She would never.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Leave without her phone number one and number like any
recent high school grad. They're not getting disattached from their phone.
But her phone was left behind, her purse, her keys, everything,
and also her routine of contacting family multiple times every day,
even if just to say hello, she didn't. She immediately stopped,
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dropped off the map. There's been no use of her
bank or credit cards, nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
She's definitely met with foul play. What About It? Brian Fitzgibbons.
Speaker 11 (34:28):
When we see major deviations from somebody's daily routine, that's
certainly something that's going to lead an investigation. Aside from
the obvious that we've mentioned a couple of times that
she left her cell phone, her keys, her wallet and
personal items behind. When we see a break in a
communication pattern, that's significantly concerning for the investigation.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I understand that Texas Equisearch has been involved in the case.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
What About It, Sydney.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Shortly after Shapamla disappeared, Texas Equisearch spent a short time
investigating the case, searching for Schapamela around the area of
her apartment, but it's unclear how involved EQUA Search still
is to this day.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
To Monica and Billy Ravis, Texas Equo Search joining in
the search.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
They're volunteers.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
But what have the police been doing to try to
find Chapamela.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
The last that we were told was that they was
going to go back over the case with the fine tooth,
come with more the more updated evidence that they did have,
but they never did reach back out to us after.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
It the leducation. Then all of a sudden, the person
goes missing.
Speaker 15 (35:36):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
You don't want to jump to no conclusion to say
something bad has happened.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
You just hope from our friends Fox twenty six.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Kee's first debit card. Everything was left at the house.
Chapameela Buckner's family says, the missing Texan woman didn't just
up and leave on her own. Where is Schapamela Buckner?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Everything's still there, but no Shepamela to Monica and Billy Revs'
family joining us tonight.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Have you been back to her apartment? What did you observe?
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Everything's still there as if they.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Live there, you know, Monica Reeves, Billy Reeves, I remember
a missing teacher and I went with her mother into
her home, Tara Grinstead, and her little home was just
picture perfect. It looked like it came out of a
home DECORPS catalog.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You know. She had it so cute.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And everything was in place, except she was missing. It's
like time froze and the most important thing, Tara was gone.
Now that was Sarah Grinstead's home. But in Chapamela's apartment,
did you see size of a struggle.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
In her Nie was closed everywhere, the bathroom was like
Stovo curtains, one floor, it was just anywhere.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
You know, I don't get it, Brian Fitzgibbons. There's clearly
been a struggle. Somebody answered the door. What is the problem.
That person has got to be at the very least
a pay person of interest, if not a suspect.
Speaker 11 (37:28):
Of course, and we know that the disturbance was big
enough that the neighbor contacted Chapamela and then called the police. Right,
So if this person or person's have remained squatting in
the apartment, you know, I'd like to know where they've
been for the next.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Eight years and what's happened.
Speaker 11 (37:49):
You know, they're absolutely persons of interest in my mind.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Listen, we're suffering and then they're just walking around freely
with not a care in the world, you know, like
they nothing to.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Them around fans at Fox twenty six to doctor Angela Arnold,
renounced psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor angel we've seen
this before. The family is suffering while they presumed perpetrator
is just walking.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Free with not a care in the world, just like
the family just said.
Speaker 10 (38:17):
Well, and you know, Nancy is the family appears so
sad today because I know that on the show, we
are all getting the feeling that it's like their hands
are tied. No one's communicating with them. If you hadn't
have brought this to anyone's attention, Nancy, it would just
be a cold case forever. And there's so many holes
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in the story. I can't imagine how they're getting through this.
And I can't believe the lack of concern that has
been shown by this police department.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
We need them to just go into detail and tell
everything that happened and what was the end result. Just
to be on it, just to come and talk to
doesn't tell us.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
From Fox twenty six, I mean, I'm curious to Billy Reeves,
it's just Sheppamoa's uncle.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
How does that make you feel to think someone took her,
possibly killed her.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And they're walking free and you cannot get straight answers
from the Houston Police Department.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
What's happening?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Do you think they know information they can't tell you
that would somehow compromise the investigation.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I want to hear your feelings.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Well, that's what I'm thinking. If they have.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Information and because the case is still open, they won't
share it with us. From that point, that's all we
can go with is that it's ongoing occasion, they don't
want to put out too much information.
Speaker 15 (39:51):
Is that your thought, Monica, Well, we had a meeting
with them again with HBD and from and they have
everything they need to know.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
They showed it to us and they just haven't did anything.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
And what are your thoughts on that they.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Need to do their job because they already know. They
basically pretty much showed me and told me everything, and
I showed them a lot of information and they basically
had much.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
Shots of so many people that are involved, and they.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Know, but yet nothing is happening.
Speaker 14 (40:25):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Did they explain why they're not doing anything.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
We haven't spoke with them again. Every time I email
them or contact them called. I even had the investigative
cell number, they stopped responding.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance of this recent high school grad Pamela Buckner, please
call Houston p D eight three two three nine, four
one eight four zero. Tonight, we announced a five thousand
dollars reward for information leading to cracking this case at
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Houston Crime Stoppers seven.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
One three two two two eight four.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Seven seven repeat seven one three, two, two two, eight
four seven seven. Please help us solve the case. For
Chappamela's family, we remember an American hero. Correctional Sergeant Andrew
fought Illinois Department Corrections, passed away in the line of duty.
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He served six years with Ellie and survived by parents
Linda and Eric, Timothy and Gina, and siblings Ashley, Patrick, Deborah, Cassidy, Katie, Aaron,
and Savannah. American hero correctional Sergeant Andrew fought Nancy Gray
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Decisions, Decisions
Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!