April 19, 2025 • 33 mins
Patricia Arquette and Jason Clarke on a Atlanta soundstage filming a new Hulu limited series, "Murdaugh Murders." The movie is based on the deaths of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh at their family kennel outside their home in South Carolina. Arquette will play mom Maggie Murdaugh, Clarke will portray Alex Murdaugh, the now convicted, disbarred attorney.
Physical evidence tied Alex Murdaugh to the murder of his wife and son, leading to his conviction. Now, Murdaugh is making a new bid for freedom.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Troy Slaten - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers, APC, Twitter @TroySlaten
- Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), www.panthermitigation.com, Twitter: https://twitter.com/TrialDoc, Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect"
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan"
- Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, Crime Online
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't he go away?
A convicted double killer? Who else could it be Alex Murdog?
Believe it or not? In the Last Days, it's announced
that an a lister is making a shocking transformation to
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turn himself into the double killer Alex Murdog. I'm Nancy Grace,
this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
That's right, an acclaimed actor seemingly unrecognizable as he turns
himself into family annihilator Alex and Murdog. It's for Hulu
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and their upcoming miniseries The Murdog Murders. Somewhere deep in
the heart of Atlanta, Georgia, there's a set with Murdog's
bright they say blonde hair. It actually was kind of
red turned blonde. He's dressed exactly as Murdog in his
go to outfit Kaki trousers, a button up and a
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tie usually untucked. We also know that Patricia Arkett is
going to play Murdog's murdered wife, Maggie, as the stars
Patricia Arquette and Jason Clark are set to make a
mint on this along with Hulu. Let's have a little
reality check about what really happened.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Fitz News is reporting sources close to the investigation say
that physical forensic evidence directly ties Alex Murdad to the
double homicide. Fitz News sighting sources close to the investigation
claims Alex Murdau is the only person identified as a
person of interest. On June seventh, twenty twenty one, Alex
Murdad called nine one one round ten oh seven pm
to report that he had found the bodies of his
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fifty two year old wife, Maggie and twenty two year
old son Paul. Fitznows claims Maggie murdadt was shot and
killed by a semi automatic rifle around the same time
as her son.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Was with us an all star panel to make sense
of what we know right now. High profile lawyer out
of LA Troy Slayton, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior
and Where Law on Psychology, intersect doctor Sherry Schwartz, Professor forensics,
Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
and star of a unit series Body Bags, with Joseph
(02:22):
Scott Morgan joining us but straight out to Dave matt
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Dave, I mean, I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I need a forensics expert to tell me there's gonna
be evidence linking Alec Murdog to the dead bodies of
his wife and his son. And I'll tell you why, Dave.
We've talked about it several times off air. You have him,
Alec Murdog, then arranging a hit on himself. Remember that
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when he's found bleeding from the head out on a
rural road. Nothing he said made any sense about changing
his tire, and then he said some guys came along
and took a shot at him. Turns out his dope
dealer was paid to shoot him in the head.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Now think about it. Think about it, Dave Mack.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
This is just weeks after his wife and son are
shot in the head execution style.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Wow, I wonder who orchestrated that. So you're telling me, Dave.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Matt that there are reports not of just deduction such
as what I just did two and two weekals four,
but actual physical forensic evidence linking Alec Murdoch to the
double murder.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Absolutely, Nancy, here's what we've got. At least one of
the weapons used in the double homicide of Maggie and
Paul murdaf belonged to the murdav family. We've got deputies
finding shellcasings at the scene that they're obviously matching to
at least one of the guns, but two different guns
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were supposedly used. One was a semi automatic rifle. We've
got agents on the scene at that are searching a river,
the salka Hacke River swampy area, approximately two miles south
of Mozelle, that are getting more evidence. And we've got
again this evidence that ties all of this together. Maggie
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Murdaw's cell phone is found along the rural South Carolina
road just outside the family seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge
the day after the murder. All of that put together
is what we're dealing with in terms of physical evidence.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So you're saying that from those items and whatever they've
dredged up out of the Sakaatchie, you're saying that it's
your belief that on those items is the physical evidence
they're talking about. And not only that, not only that way,
what about a potential gunshot residu test they may have
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done on Alex Murdogg at the time he found his
dead wife and son and did you mention that they
towed the company vehicle that night and processed it. Did
you say that, Dave mack.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I am now that they actually did impound It was
a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban that was registered to
the Murdall Law firm. And all of this is being
reported through Fitz News. That's where we're getting this information.
Nancy law enforcement on the scene that night collected all
of this evidence that we know how this works out
from a ballistic standpoint to the residue test. The police
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are playing this so close to the vest, but we're
getting enough information to be able to tie it together
to see these links are all pointing back to Alex Murdau.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Guys, I want you to take a listen to Alex
Murdogg's nine to one one call our cut twenty five.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Now when we'll win your emergency.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Forty one forty seven mosaille roads. I think the collations
my wife and chop.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Okay, you said.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Forty one forty seven rode alosin, Sir, you said forty one.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Forty seven Mozel rode inlogin.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yes, sir, forty one forty road.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Stay on the line with yes, thirsday on the line.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
With me.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Okay, it's a little conic communication, Colston.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
I have an Alex Murdoch on the line.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Calling from forty one forty seven roll.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
He's advising that his wife and.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Child was shot.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Okay, and so again, what is forty.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
One forty seven?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Moselle wrote, I've been up to.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
It now it's bath okay, okay? And are they breathing?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Mariam okay?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
And he said it's your wife and your son. I
fan my phn.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
No man own ground out of my.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Kennel, Jackie.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Do they have the death penalty in South Carolina? I'm
pretty sure that they do.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer joining me out of la Hey.
We tried to give Alex murdog the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, okay, you tried.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But now that I know, as I suspected, long suspected,
he is the one that finds the dead bodies. He
is the one that owns the residents where they're found.
He's the one uh looking at a big fat, juicy
divorce from a wife who is likely to uncover during
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her discovery process, her legal discovery process, that he has
been embezzling money from all of his clients and sniffing.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It up his for years. It's all going to come
out in her divorce. And they are murdog guns. We
learned that on day one.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
A source told us day one that at least one
of the guns was a murdog gun.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
All right, so what more do I need to know?
For Pete's sake?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Then he stages his own suicide botched, I might add,
and lies through his teeth about it until we find
out his doper friend is the one that grazed his head.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean, he's lying about everything.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Remember, even his lawyer came out and actually said he
had brain damage.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He showed up in court the next week. He didn't
even have on does he have on a band aid?
That's some brain injury Troy Slayton. I mean, what more
do you need to know?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
This man is lied about everything, and he's the one
that faces a pecuniary Jane money Jane with the death
of his wife and so and now we have Dave
mac telling us that reports are Alex Murdoch is linked
forensically physical Levens. I'm talking about fingerprints DNA to the
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double murders. And now when I listen to that nine
one one call. I mean, I'm taking that with a
box of assault. Troy Slayton.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Well, we're being told that the evidence is substantial, that
it's serious, but we don't know exactly what that physical
evidence connection is yet. To Alex Murdoch, what's interesting is
that a different gun was used in each one of
the murders at the time of that double homicide that
happened at the same time. Why would somebody, why would
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one individual use two different guns on two people at
the same time. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, it may not make sense, but does it make
sense to murder your wife and son? Does that make
sense to you? Chroy Slayton. Criminals do all sorts of
crazy things. It's not up to a prosecutor to lurk
around inside a killer's mind and figure out why.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
But things have to make sense. And the problem that
the prosecutors have here is they could just confuse the jury.
They're charging him right now with fifty one counts. That
means fifty one separate crimes and fifty one sets of
elements that a jury would have to go through to
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try and candidate right.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Don't cut it yet, Troy Slaton. The current charges relate
to what the fifty one counts you're referring to, refer.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
To possible embezzlement and misappropriation of funds from his grandfather
and great grandfather and father's law firms that was set
up for one hundred years and.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Clients and clients who are now finding out that he apparently,
Dave Mac is there. I reported he embezzle funds from
a client that was paraplegic and brain.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Dam Actually, he was a young man who was death
who was in a car accident with his mother and
another friend who he The accident left him as a
paraplegic and in a home, and Murdau is alleged to
have taken all of the money over three hundred thousand
dollars that was due for the death paraplegic man's family,
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as well as the money from his the man's mother
and the other person in the car hundreds of thousands
of dollars intended to go to this family.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That was a little TMI, but I'll take it. You
can never know enough facts, Dave Mac. But what you
told me actually just made me feel a little nauseous.
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Not only is there a
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major TV streaming series set to go to air. Regarding
Alex Murdoch. Oh, He's made a bombshell new bid for freedom.
What is that? He's filed an appeal. The one time
socialite ruling the entire area there in South Carolina got
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two life sentences without parole for the murders of Paul
and Maggie. It was a jury of seven men, five women.
They spent less than three hours deliberating. I know, I
saw them go out and I saw them come back in.
But the convicted killer in his legal team filed a
one hundred and twenty one page appeal document with the
South Carolina Supreme Court outlining arguments that support Murdoch's freedom
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and that his conviction should be thrown out, Mostly centered
around claims of jury tampering by the former Clerk of
Court for Carleton County, Becky Hill. She resigned. There was
a big brujaja regarding a book deal an alleged comments
she made to jurors suggesting, according to the defense, that
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he was gilt. Did it really sway the jurors? Hmm,
no pun intended, But the jury's out on that, needless
to say. Could it be grounds for a new trial.
In the meantime, Murdog is making the big screen, or
let me say the little screen, because it is Hulu.
It's streaming on your TV. But reality check what really
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happened to Maggie and Paul?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Direct physical evidence? Direct evidence is like an eyewitness, DNA
fingerprimpt Okay. Circumstantial evidence is you are at the scene
of the crime. You're the one that reported the murders,
You're the one that has a motive. Your glove was
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found there on the scene. That doesn't a murder make.
So that's what we know right now. And with that
as a backdrop, Joe Scott Morgan and doctor Sherry Schwartz,
I want you to take a listen to more of
Alex Murdogg's nine one one call when he seemingly found
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his wife and son Paul dead, shot dead behind his
hunting lodge with a murdog gun. Take a listen to
our cut twenty six.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Did you some one okay?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Is he breeding it all?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
No one okay? Anyone in the area, No, ma'am, No, ma'am.
That colors your house on the outside? What color is
your house on the outside?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
What you can't see it from the road?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Okay. Is it a house or a home? It's the house, okay.
And what is your name? My name is Alex Murdoch. Okay.
And did you hear anything or did you come home
and find them?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I've been going I just give that. No, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
We're getting somebody.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Out there to you, okay when you listen to that.
Knowing what we now know? What what I'd like to know?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And I asked this on day one to you, Joseph
Scott Morgan, death investigator, a forensics expert.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
How could they pluck what time? What's my time window
for the time of death? And that's so important because
Alex Murdock said that he was at the hospital seeing
his sick father, who passed away a few days later.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I need to know what time he was there, the
drive time between the hospital and the hunting lodge.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And the time of death.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
How do I know Maggie and Paul weren't shot three
hours before he went to the hospital. How do I
know they weren't shot just before he called nine to
one one, placing him virtually at the scene of the
crime at the time the murders occurred. The time of
death is crucial, It's critical what about it, Joe Scott, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
We might you might not know. We might not know,
but slid does. When they showed up at that scene, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
One of the things that I did, Carolina Law Enforcement
Division go ahead.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
Yeah, they began to do a post mortem assessment of
the bodies. And simply what that means is they're going
to check for all those things we look for, Nancy,
the rigidity of the body, how stiff it is relative
to riger mortis, post mortem lividity, which is settling of blood.
And also also they're going to check the body temperature. Now,
the reason those things are important is that we can
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kind of theoretically time stamp each one of those events.
So the further for instance, with algerm mortis or the
body temperature changes for the first hour after death, our
bodies generally lose one point five to two degrees of
our total core body temperature in that first hour. After
that it bleeds off one degree one degree for twelve hours.
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All right, So if you think that the body may
have been down for I don't know, we're looking maybe
the body when they do the body core temperature is
maybe at ninety degrees. Then we could suppose that perhaps
these bodies had been down anywhere from seven to eight
hours at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And Joe Scott, when the algorithm you're using vary based
on the ambiant temperature, the temperature, Yeah, it.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Does, it does. And you know, the way I explained
it is that after that twelfth hour, Nancy, we become
an inanimate object. All of the energy we generated has
burned off at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Riger mortars rigor mortars which means the stiffening of the
limbs the live or mortar, which is the settling of
the blood. And what I mean by that is, if
you die on your back, your blood is no longer
pumping through your body and it will all settle down
to the lowest common denominator, like a glass of water,
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It all goes to the bottom of the glass.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Same thing. So mortis mortis body temperature and what else.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Well, well, when we you know, obviously, when they get
back to the more to do the autopsy, they're going
to look at stomach content too, and that's a measurable
that that moves at a measurable rate from our you know,
relative to our digestion. So if they ate at six
o'clock that night, and depended upon what they ate, you
can expect, you know, perhaps the stomach to have been full,
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all right, because at that at that point in time,
peristolis is going to stop. The food's going to stop
moving through the body digestion.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, and so it's going to be using medical terms.
Nobody else on this panel is a medical doctor. Please talk,
regular people talk.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, well, if wellbody impressed me, Okay, you don't have
to be trying to impress.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
What I do want to impress though, is this this
idea of the settling of the blood, Nancy, Because if
somebody monkeyed around with those bodies and move the bodies
around during the night.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh that well, I got to write that down, Troy Slayton.
I'm going to circle back to you with that. If
the scene was staged, if the bodies had been moved,
he's down the water, I'm telling you, because a random
killer would not think to drag the bodies around or
pose him in a certain way. That has to be
a known killer. Okay, hold on, got that was it staged?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Go ahead? Sorry, just got that's all right?
Speaker 8 (19:44):
So you know, post mortem lividity actually starts sooner than
any lays appreciable sooner than any of these other things.
So if it's say, for instance, the young Mardall was
laying face down, okay, post mortem lavidity, it had begun
to be appreciable within twenty minutes of death, Nancy. The
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question is is that after you get outside of that
four hour window and you've moved the body, it no
longer migrates at that time.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
About coagulation of blood, if the blood had already dried
or not dried on the wounds, what would that tell you,
Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah, because that, again, that's going to be environmentally dependent,
bear metric, the relative humidity and all that sort of thing.
It's different being outdoors, so you would have to have
all of that information in order to computate that. So
that's going to be less reliable.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So you're thinking that the physical evidence, what do you
think the physical evidence is? Could there be a fingerprint
on the shell casing, face on the guns?
Speaker 8 (20:49):
You know what I think it is. Here's my big
reveal on this. I think this might have something to
do with bloodstains. And the reason I think that is,
remember what Dave said, the young one, he took two
shotgun wounds. Nancy, So if you've got an individual, the perpetrator,
who is in a dominant position with a twelve gay
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shotgun I don't know if that's the gauge or not,
and they're standing over this individual shot in the chest
and the head, Guess what happens. You get a dynamic
event with blood staining. The higher the velocity, the tinier
the blood stain. Okay, we're talking about very fine, all right,
And that's going to happen with a high velocity gunshot wound.
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So just suppose, just suppose, for instance, he's kneeling over
the body and he clutches his dear son to his chest.
That's going to be transferred blood that's going to look
different to the people from the people which slid. When
they see him, and they take those pictures of him
at the at the lock up or wherever they took
him afterwards, and they take his clothes, which they did,
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you're going to have that fine blood stain.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Dodger Sherry Schwartz for instance, psychology, just how often have
we seen the killer state that I tried to resuscitate them,
I clutched them, I held them to my chest, I
hugged them. That's how I got the blood transfer.
Speaker 9 (22:14):
Yes exactly, that that would probably be the natural place
for him to go. Something else that he said, not once,
but twice on that nine one one call that's very
striking to me, is I've been up to it now.
It's bad.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
To me.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
That sounds like a confession.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Doctor Sherry Sports, let me ask you a question. I mean,
you're the forensic psychologist. You're the one that wrote Criminal
Behavior and where law and psychology intersect. What do you
make of a little noticed fact that Maggie Murdoch's phone
was taken from the scene and discarded out on the street.
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It's a good ways I've been there from the home.
There's a really long driveway out to the road, and
you can't see the Murdoch Hunting Lodge as they call
it from the street. What do you make of the
fact that the killer took her phone number one and
then threw it away out on the street. I find
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that to be very significant behaviorally speaking.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
I agree that is significant behaviorally speaking. Now, he may
try to say, or the defense may try to say, well,
that was somebody running away from the crime scene with
this particular evidence, but then why not take other things?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Really?
Speaker 9 (23:32):
What it suggests is possibly what Joe Scott Morgan is saying,
that it might be somewhat of a staged crime scene
or you know, happened hours earlier, and so somebody took
the time to try to discard some of this evidence.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
That was actually mean that said that. And I'm wondering
if to me it would make more sense if, in
fact he murdered his wife and son that he did
it before the hospital visit, because how could he or
strait then both being there unless he planned it. And
what would be the significance of taking Maggie's cell phone
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unless he wanted to erase something off the cell phone.
Speaker 9 (24:12):
And exactly because this guy.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, is so messed up on drugs. I
mean he's now, as you heard defense attorney Troy Slayton state,
he's got fifty one embezzlement type counts against him right now.
He's being investigated regarding the deaths of multiple people, including
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a young man that lived nearby, Stephen Smith, a housekeeper
Gloria Saderfield.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
His son Paul, was.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Involved in the death of a young girl, Mallory Beach,
on the family boat. Who knows if this guy had
the wherewithal to remove fingerprints, and when you're talking about
blood transfer, a blood transfer could be explained to way
by the defensise saying I held him, I hugged them.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I tried to perform CPR.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But as Joe Scott Morgan was talking about blood evidence,
blood spatter means you were near the body at the
time of the murder. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in
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between takes. Jason Clark, the star known for all of
his work and Terminator Genesis, walked around the set wearing
slide sandals and sunglasses. I wonder if he took the
time to remember what really happened to Paul and Maggie.
Paul gunned down Maggie trying to save her son's life.
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She also gunned down as Mrdlach high Til did to
hide out at his mother's house. What more do we
know about that night? A jury agreed with me he
did in it.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Okay? What is her name?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Maggie?
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Maggie and Paul Maggie is her name?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (26:15):
And please hurry.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
We're getting somebody out there to you and me asking
you these questions. Don't slow them down, Okay? Are you
sure they're not breathing. Is he moving?
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Now?
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Your son? I know you said that she was shot,
but what about your son?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Nobody, they're not news.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Do what is your telephone number?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Not particularly really, no man, okay, okay, to Troy Slayton.
We have to take into account as we listen to
this nine one one call. Now, Alexi Murdog didn't He
also called nine one one after he was shot in
the head and put up much the same story that
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an unknown assailant had driven by him and I don't
nowhere shot him in the head and whoops, he lived?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
What about that? Is anybody making that parallel?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
We're trying to say that this is an Academy Award
winning performance, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm saying it's been It was rehearsed. Okay, because didn't
he wait, didn't he call nine one one when he
was shot on the side of the road.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Joe Scott, Yes, he did, Nancy, he sure did. And
so this to me, as an investigator, I'm looking at
a pattern developing. He got away with the first time, potentially,
and now he thinks he's going to get away with
it again when he's feigning this gunshot him to the head.
That's some unknown perpetrator.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I mean, Troy Slaton. Can't you just see a prosecutor
playing all these nine one one calls, especially the one
on the side of the road where the dope dealer
confesses reportedly that Murnod hired him to shoot him.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And here Murdod crying and carrying on on the phone
just like he's doing here.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And as a defense attorney, we would say there is
no playbook for the horror that a.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Priest come up with something new. Oh, I want to
beat my head against the wall. You say that time.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Would express once they find some sort of horrific situation
like his wife and child being killed.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But he sounds the same way in his own nie
on one call when he stays just shooting on himself,
same thing, all that breathing and the gulping and the whining,
same exact thing.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Let's go back to the staging of the you're.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Gonna lie it's something you want to talk about, Go ahead,
I can't wait to hear this.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
So if there's physical evidence that bodies were moved from
the place where the murders happened so that way they
look like something else, then yes. And if somehow Alex
Murdoch is connected to that movement of the bodies. That
would be really damning evidence for him that big I would.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Be a big whoopsie for you to explain the next
time we talk about this.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Wouldn't it less unless you're.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Moving the body in order to perform some sort of
life saving measure. Now moving the body in order to
perform CPR or to try and resuscitate them.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
See, that's why you make all that money, because you
just spun that out of thin air like Rumpel Stilskin.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I mean, you just spun it into goal. Amazing, amazing
what you just did right there. Guys, with all the
knowledge we now are amassing, I'm really interested in these
nine to one one. Take a listen to Alex Murdog
in our cut twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Oh they're close, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yet there they've been around with you ever since you've
got on the phone with me. I have multiple people
coming out there to you. Okay, I don't want you to touch.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Them at all.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I don't know if you've.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Already touched them, and I don't. I don't want you
to touch them, just in case they can get any
kind of evidence Okay, I've already.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Touched the time to get to see if they were breathing.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Okay, Well, I just don't want you to move anything,
just in case they can get any kind of evidence.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Oh yeah, man, I'm gonna call I need to call
some of my family.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Okay, over, well, it will do me a favor for
me whenever you see the officer or the medex because
they're all coming to you. Absolutely, okay, but we have
them come in. Turn on the flashes on your vehicle
so they can see you. Okay, you got the flashes
on for me?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Of who Wow, he sure calms down pretty quickly. Did
you hear that? Yeah, I got them on. I'm calling
my family and call my lawyer and calling my dope dealer.
So okay, let me go back to you.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Dave mac joining us Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
tell me again the report that there is direct physical
evidence linking him Alex Murdog to the double murders.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
At least one of the weapons used in the double
homicide belonged to the murdav family. We know that law
enforcement impounded a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban registered to
the murdav law firm from the scene. We know that
deputies found shellcasing that the scene. This is a report
from Fitz News. SLED agents requested the Sheriff's deputy searched
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the area near the crime seamer video surveillance systems on
the morning after the murge. We don't know what they
found there. On June sixteenth, SLED agents were collecting evidence
in a swampy area near the Skahatchee River, about two
miles south of Mozelle and Maggie. Murdaw's cell phone was
found along a rural South Carolina road just outside the
family seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge the day after the murder.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Straight out to Dotta Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists joining us
ntor Sherry, how do you analyze what you heard on
the naimalone call?
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Well, I mean, there's so many things, right, I mean,
he starts off, he's very emotional, he's crying, he's gasping
for air, and then, as you pointed out, at the end,
he's very calm. A matter of fact, it's very striking
to me that in the midst of this horror and
waiting for first responders, he needs to get off the
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phone to contact family. I mean, you know, have you
given up totally? You know you who are you calling?
What family do you need to contact? And why at
this moment? You know, how are you gathering your thoughts
in that way? And he also says you know that
he did touch them to see if they were breathing,
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but he doesn't mention anything about trying to render aid.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Will Murdoch's case be overruled, will he get a new trial,
or will he sit just where he needs to be
behind bars for the rest of his natural life? We
wait as just as sunfolds, and I wonder can he
get Hulu behind bars? Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't he go away?
A convicted double killer? Who else could it be Alex Murdog?
Believe it or not? In the Last Days, it's announced
that an a lister is making a shocking transformation to
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turn himself into the double killer Alex Murdog. I'm Nancy Grace,
this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
That's right, an acclaimed actor seemingly unrecognizable as he turns
himself into family annihilator Alex and Murdog. It's for Hulu
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and their upcoming miniseries The Murdog Murders. Somewhere deep in
the heart of Atlanta, Georgia, there's a set with Murdog's
bright they say blonde hair. It actually was kind of
red turned blonde. He's dressed exactly as Murdog in his
go to outfit Kaki trousers, a button up and a
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tie usually untucked. We also know that Patricia Arkett is
going to play Murdog's murdered wife, Maggie, as the stars
Patricia Arquette and Jason Clark are set to make a
mint on this along with Hulu. Let's have a little
reality check about what really happened.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Fitz News is reporting sources close to the investigation say
that physical forensic evidence directly ties Alex Murdad to the
double homicide. Fitz News sighting sources close to the investigation
claims Alex Murdau is the only person identified as a
person of interest. On June seventh, twenty twenty one, Alex
Murdad called nine one one round ten oh seven pm
to report that he had found the bodies of his
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fifty two year old wife, Maggie and twenty two year
old son Paul. Fitznows claims Maggie murdadt was shot and
killed by a semi automatic rifle around the same time
as her son.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Was with us an all star panel to make sense
of what we know right now. High profile lawyer out
of LA Troy Slayton, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior
and Where Law on Psychology, intersect doctor Sherry Schwartz, Professor forensics,
Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
and star of a unit series Body Bags, with Joseph
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Scott Morgan joining us but straight out to Dave matt
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Dave, I mean, I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I need a forensics expert to tell me there's gonna
be evidence linking Alec Murdog to the dead bodies of
his wife and his son. And I'll tell you why, Dave.
We've talked about it several times off air. You have him,
Alec Murdog, then arranging a hit on himself. Remember that
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when he's found bleeding from the head out on a
rural road. Nothing he said made any sense about changing
his tire, and then he said some guys came along
and took a shot at him. Turns out his dope
dealer was paid to shoot him in the head.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Now think about it. Think about it, Dave Mack.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
This is just weeks after his wife and son are
shot in the head execution style.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Wow, I wonder who orchestrated that. So you're telling me, Dave.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Matt that there are reports not of just deduction such
as what I just did two and two weekals four,
but actual physical forensic evidence linking Alec Murdoch to the
double murder.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Absolutely, Nancy, here's what we've got. At least one of
the weapons used in the double homicide of Maggie and
Paul murdaf belonged to the murdav family. We've got deputies
finding shellcasings at the scene that they're obviously matching to
at least one of the guns, but two different guns
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were supposedly used. One was a semi automatic rifle. We've
got agents on the scene at that are searching a river,
the salka Hacke River swampy area, approximately two miles south
of Mozelle, that are getting more evidence. And we've got
again this evidence that ties all of this together. Maggie
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Murdaw's cell phone is found along the rural South Carolina
road just outside the family seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge
the day after the murder. All of that put together
is what we're dealing with in terms of physical evidence.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So you're saying that from those items and whatever they've
dredged up out of the Sakaatchie, you're saying that it's
your belief that on those items is the physical evidence
they're talking about. And not only that, not only that way,
what about a potential gunshot residu test they may have
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done on Alex Murdogg at the time he found his
dead wife and son and did you mention that they
towed the company vehicle that night and processed it. Did
you say that, Dave mack.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I am now that they actually did impound It was
a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban that was registered to
the Murdall Law firm. And all of this is being
reported through Fitz News. That's where we're getting this information.
Nancy law enforcement on the scene that night collected all
of this evidence that we know how this works out
from a ballistic standpoint to the residue test. The police
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are playing this so close to the vest, but we're
getting enough information to be able to tie it together
to see these links are all pointing back to Alex Murdau.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Guys, I want you to take a listen to Alex
Murdogg's nine to one one call our cut twenty five.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Now when we'll win your emergency.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Forty one forty seven mosaille roads. I think the collations
my wife and chop.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Okay, you said.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Forty one forty seven rode alosin, Sir, you said forty one.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Forty seven Mozel rode inlogin.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yes, sir, forty one forty road.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Stay on the line with yes, thirsday on the line.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
With me.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Okay, it's a little conic communication, Colston.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
I have an Alex Murdoch on the line.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Calling from forty one forty seven roll.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
He's advising that his wife and.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Child was shot.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Okay, and so again, what is forty.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
One forty seven?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Moselle wrote, I've been up to.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
It now it's bath okay, okay? And are they breathing?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Mariam okay?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
And he said it's your wife and your son. I
fan my phn.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
No man own ground out of my.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Kennel, Jackie.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Do they have the death penalty in South Carolina? I'm
pretty sure that they do.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer joining me out of la Hey.
We tried to give Alex murdog the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, okay, you tried.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But now that I know, as I suspected, long suspected,
he is the one that finds the dead bodies. He
is the one that owns the residents where they're found.
He's the one uh looking at a big fat, juicy
divorce from a wife who is likely to uncover during
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her discovery process, her legal discovery process, that he has
been embezzling money from all of his clients and sniffing.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It up his for years. It's all going to come
out in her divorce. And they are murdog guns. We
learned that on day one.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
A source told us day one that at least one
of the guns was a murdog gun.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
All right, so what more do I need to know?
For Pete's sake?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Then he stages his own suicide botched, I might add,
and lies through his teeth about it until we find
out his doper friend is the one that grazed his head.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I mean, he's lying about everything.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Remember, even his lawyer came out and actually said he
had brain damage.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He showed up in court the next week. He didn't
even have on does he have on a band aid?
That's some brain injury Troy Slayton. I mean, what more
do you need to know?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
This man is lied about everything, and he's the one
that faces a pecuniary Jane money Jane with the death
of his wife and so and now we have Dave
mac telling us that reports are Alex Murdoch is linked
forensically physical Levens. I'm talking about fingerprints DNA to the
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double murders. And now when I listen to that nine
one one call. I mean, I'm taking that with a
box of assault. Troy Slayton.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Well, we're being told that the evidence is substantial, that
it's serious, but we don't know exactly what that physical
evidence connection is yet. To Alex Murdoch, what's interesting is
that a different gun was used in each one of
the murders at the time of that double homicide that
happened at the same time. Why would somebody, why would
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one individual use two different guns on two people at
the same time. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, it may not make sense, but does it make
sense to murder your wife and son? Does that make
sense to you? Chroy Slayton. Criminals do all sorts of
crazy things. It's not up to a prosecutor to lurk
around inside a killer's mind and figure out why.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
But things have to make sense. And the problem that
the prosecutors have here is they could just confuse the jury.
They're charging him right now with fifty one counts. That
means fifty one separate crimes and fifty one sets of
elements that a jury would have to go through to
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try and candidate right.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Don't cut it yet, Troy Slaton. The current charges relate
to what the fifty one counts you're referring to, refer.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
To possible embezzlement and misappropriation of funds from his grandfather
and great grandfather and father's law firms that was set
up for one hundred years and.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Clients and clients who are now finding out that he apparently,
Dave Mac is there. I reported he embezzle funds from
a client that was paraplegic and brain.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Dam Actually, he was a young man who was death
who was in a car accident with his mother and
another friend who he The accident left him as a
paraplegic and in a home, and Murdau is alleged to
have taken all of the money over three hundred thousand
dollars that was due for the death paraplegic man's family,
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as well as the money from his the man's mother
and the other person in the car hundreds of thousands
of dollars intended to go to this family.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That was a little TMI, but I'll take it. You
can never know enough facts, Dave Mac. But what you
told me actually just made me feel a little nauseous.
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Not only is there a
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major TV streaming series set to go to air. Regarding
Alex Murdoch. Oh, He's made a bombshell new bid for freedom.
What is that? He's filed an appeal. The one time
socialite ruling the entire area there in South Carolina got
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two life sentences without parole for the murders of Paul
and Maggie. It was a jury of seven men, five women.
They spent less than three hours deliberating. I know, I
saw them go out and I saw them come back in.
But the convicted killer in his legal team filed a
one hundred and twenty one page appeal document with the
South Carolina Supreme Court outlining arguments that support Murdoch's freedom
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and that his conviction should be thrown out, Mostly centered
around claims of jury tampering by the former Clerk of
Court for Carleton County, Becky Hill. She resigned. There was
a big brujaja regarding a book deal an alleged comments
she made to jurors suggesting, according to the defense, that
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he was gilt. Did it really sway the jurors? Hmm,
no pun intended, But the jury's out on that, needless
to say. Could it be grounds for a new trial.
In the meantime, Murdog is making the big screen, or
let me say the little screen, because it is Hulu.
It's streaming on your TV. But reality check what really
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happened to Maggie and Paul?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Direct physical evidence? Direct evidence is like an eyewitness, DNA
fingerprimpt Okay. Circumstantial evidence is you are at the scene
of the crime. You're the one that reported the murders,
You're the one that has a motive. Your glove was
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found there on the scene. That doesn't a murder make.
So that's what we know right now. And with that
as a backdrop, Joe Scott Morgan and doctor Sherry Schwartz,
I want you to take a listen to more of
Alex Murdogg's nine one one call when he seemingly found
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his wife and son Paul dead, shot dead behind his
hunting lodge with a murdog gun. Take a listen to
our cut twenty six.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Did you some one okay?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Is he breeding it all?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:21):
No one okay? Anyone in the area, No, ma'am, No, ma'am.
That colors your house on the outside? What color is
your house on the outside?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
What you can't see it from the road?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Okay. Is it a house or a home? It's the house, okay.
And what is your name? My name is Alex Murdoch. Okay.
And did you hear anything or did you come home
and find them?
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I've been going I just give that. No, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
We're getting somebody.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Out there to you, okay when you listen to that.
Knowing what we now know? What what I'd like to know?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And I asked this on day one to you, Joseph
Scott Morgan, death investigator, a forensics expert.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
How could they pluck what time? What's my time window
for the time of death? And that's so important because
Alex Murdock said that he was at the hospital seeing
his sick father, who passed away a few days later.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I need to know what time he was there, the
drive time between the hospital and the hunting lodge.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
And the time of death.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
How do I know Maggie and Paul weren't shot three
hours before he went to the hospital. How do I
know they weren't shot just before he called nine to
one one, placing him virtually at the scene of the
crime at the time the murders occurred. The time of
death is crucial, It's critical what about it, Joe Scott, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
We might you might not know. We might not know,
but slid does. When they showed up at that scene, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
One of the things that I did, Carolina Law Enforcement
Division go ahead.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
Yeah, they began to do a post mortem assessment of
the bodies. And simply what that means is they're going
to check for all those things we look for, Nancy,
the rigidity of the body, how stiff it is relative
to riger mortis, post mortem lividity, which is settling of blood.
And also also they're going to check the body temperature. Now,
the reason those things are important is that we can
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kind of theoretically time stamp each one of those events.
So the further for instance, with algerm mortis or the
body temperature changes for the first hour after death, our
bodies generally lose one point five to two degrees of
our total core body temperature in that first hour. After
that it bleeds off one degree one degree for twelve hours.
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All right, So if you think that the body may
have been down for I don't know, we're looking maybe
the body when they do the body core temperature is
maybe at ninety degrees. Then we could suppose that perhaps
these bodies had been down anywhere from seven to eight
hours at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And Joe Scott, when the algorithm you're using vary based
on the ambiant temperature, the temperature, Yeah, it.
Speaker 8 (17:42):
Does, it does. And you know, the way I explained
it is that after that twelfth hour, Nancy, we become
an inanimate object. All of the energy we generated has
burned off at that point in time.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Riger mortars rigor mortars which means the stiffening of the
limbs the live or mortar, which is the settling of
the blood. And what I mean by that is, if
you die on your back, your blood is no longer
pumping through your body and it will all settle down
to the lowest common denominator, like a glass of water,
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It all goes to the bottom of the glass.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Same thing. So mortis mortis body temperature and what else.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Well, well, when we you know, obviously, when they get
back to the more to do the autopsy, they're going
to look at stomach content too, and that's a measurable
that that moves at a measurable rate from our you know,
relative to our digestion. So if they ate at six
o'clock that night, and depended upon what they ate, you
can expect, you know, perhaps the stomach to have been full,
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all right, because at that at that point in time,
peristolis is going to stop. The food's going to stop
moving through the body digestion.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, and so it's going to be using medical terms.
Nobody else on this panel is a medical doctor. Please talk,
regular people talk.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, well, if wellbody impressed me, Okay, you don't have
to be trying to impress.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
What I do want to impress though, is this this
idea of the settling of the blood, Nancy, Because if
somebody monkeyed around with those bodies and move the bodies
around during the night.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Oh that well, I got to write that down, Troy Slayton.
I'm going to circle back to you with that. If
the scene was staged, if the bodies had been moved,
he's down the water, I'm telling you, because a random
killer would not think to drag the bodies around or
pose him in a certain way. That has to be
a known killer. Okay, hold on, got that was it staged?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Go ahead? Sorry, just got that's all right?
Speaker 8 (19:44):
So you know, post mortem lividity actually starts sooner than
any lays appreciable sooner than any of these other things.
So if it's say, for instance, the young Mardall was
laying face down, okay, post mortem lavidity, it had begun
to be appreciable within twenty minutes of death, Nancy. The
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question is is that after you get outside of that
four hour window and you've moved the body, it no
longer migrates at that time.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
About coagulation of blood, if the blood had already dried
or not dried on the wounds, what would that tell you,
Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Yeah, because that, again, that's going to be environmentally dependent,
bear metric, the relative humidity and all that sort of thing.
It's different being outdoors, so you would have to have
all of that information in order to computate that. So
that's going to be less reliable.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So you're thinking that the physical evidence, what do you
think the physical evidence is? Could there be a fingerprint
on the shell casing, face on the guns?
Speaker 8 (20:49):
You know what I think it is. Here's my big
reveal on this. I think this might have something to
do with bloodstains. And the reason I think that is,
remember what Dave said, the young one, he took two
shotgun wounds. Nancy, So if you've got an individual, the perpetrator,
who is in a dominant position with a twelve gay
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shotgun I don't know if that's the gauge or not,
and they're standing over this individual shot in the chest
and the head, Guess what happens. You get a dynamic
event with blood staining. The higher the velocity, the tinier
the blood stain. Okay, we're talking about very fine, all right,
And that's going to happen with a high velocity gunshot wound.
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So just suppose, just suppose, for instance, he's kneeling over
the body and he clutches his dear son to his chest.
That's going to be transferred blood that's going to look
different to the people from the people which slid. When
they see him, and they take those pictures of him
at the at the lock up or wherever they took
him afterwards, and they take his clothes, which they did,
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you're going to have that fine blood stain.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Dodger Sherry Schwartz for instance, psychology, just how often have
we seen the killer state that I tried to resuscitate them,
I clutched them, I held them to my chest, I
hugged them. That's how I got the blood transfer.
Speaker 9 (22:14):
Yes exactly, that that would probably be the natural place
for him to go. Something else that he said, not once,
but twice on that nine one one call that's very
striking to me, is I've been up to it now.
It's bad.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
To me.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
That sounds like a confession.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Doctor Sherry Sports, let me ask you a question. I mean,
you're the forensic psychologist. You're the one that wrote Criminal
Behavior and where law and psychology intersect. What do you
make of a little noticed fact that Maggie Murdoch's phone
was taken from the scene and discarded out on the street.
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It's a good ways I've been there from the home.
There's a really long driveway out to the road, and
you can't see the Murdoch Hunting Lodge as they call
it from the street. What do you make of the
fact that the killer took her phone number one and
then threw it away out on the street. I find
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that to be very significant behaviorally speaking.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
I agree that is significant behaviorally speaking. Now, he may
try to say, or the defense may try to say, well,
that was somebody running away from the crime scene with
this particular evidence, but then why not take other things?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Really?
Speaker 9 (23:32):
What it suggests is possibly what Joe Scott Morgan is saying,
that it might be somewhat of a staged crime scene
or you know, happened hours earlier, and so somebody took
the time to try to discard some of this evidence.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
That was actually mean that said that. And I'm wondering
if to me it would make more sense if, in
fact he murdered his wife and son that he did
it before the hospital visit, because how could he or
strait then both being there unless he planned it. And
what would be the significance of taking Maggie's cell phone
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unless he wanted to erase something off the cell phone.
Speaker 9 (24:12):
And exactly because this guy.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, is so messed up on drugs. I
mean he's now, as you heard defense attorney Troy Slayton state,
he's got fifty one embezzlement type counts against him right now.
He's being investigated regarding the deaths of multiple people, including
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a young man that lived nearby, Stephen Smith, a housekeeper
Gloria Saderfield.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
His son Paul, was.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Involved in the death of a young girl, Mallory Beach,
on the family boat. Who knows if this guy had
the wherewithal to remove fingerprints, and when you're talking about
blood transfer, a blood transfer could be explained to way
by the defensise saying I held him, I hugged them.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I tried to perform CPR.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But as Joe Scott Morgan was talking about blood evidence,
blood spatter means you were near the body at the
time of the murder. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in
(25:29):
between takes. Jason Clark, the star known for all of
his work and Terminator Genesis, walked around the set wearing
slide sandals and sunglasses. I wonder if he took the
time to remember what really happened to Paul and Maggie.
Paul gunned down Maggie trying to save her son's life.
(25:49):
She also gunned down as Mrdlach high Til did to
hide out at his mother's house. What more do we
know about that night? A jury agreed with me he
did in it.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Okay? What is her name?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Maggie?
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Maggie and Paul Maggie is her name?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (26:15):
And please hurry.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
We're getting somebody out there to you and me asking
you these questions. Don't slow them down, Okay? Are you
sure they're not breathing. Is he moving?
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Now?
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Your son? I know you said that she was shot,
but what about your son?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Nobody, they're not news.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Do what is your telephone number?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Not particularly really, no man, okay, okay, to Troy Slayton.
We have to take into account as we listen to
this nine one one call. Now, Alexi Murdog didn't He
also called nine one one after he was shot in
the head and put up much the same story that
(27:24):
an unknown assailant had driven by him and I don't
nowhere shot him in the head and whoops, he lived?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
What about that? Is anybody making that parallel?
Speaker 4 (27:34):
We're trying to say that this is an Academy Award
winning performance, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm saying it's been It was rehearsed. Okay, because didn't
he wait, didn't he call nine one one when he
was shot on the side of the road.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Joe Scott, Yes, he did, Nancy, he sure did. And
so this to me, as an investigator, I'm looking at
a pattern developing. He got away with the first time, potentially,
and now he thinks he's going to get away with
it again when he's feigning this gunshot him to the head.
That's some unknown perpetrator.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I mean, Troy Slaton. Can't you just see a prosecutor
playing all these nine one one calls, especially the one
on the side of the road where the dope dealer
confesses reportedly that Murnod hired him to shoot him.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And here Murdod crying and carrying on on the phone
just like he's doing here.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
And as a defense attorney, we would say there is
no playbook for the horror that a.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Priest come up with something new. Oh, I want to
beat my head against the wall. You say that time.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Would express once they find some sort of horrific situation
like his wife and child being killed.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But he sounds the same way in his own nie
on one call when he stays just shooting on himself,
same thing, all that breathing and the gulping and the whining,
same exact thing.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Let's go back to the staging of the you're.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Gonna lie it's something you want to talk about, Go ahead,
I can't wait to hear this.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
So if there's physical evidence that bodies were moved from
the place where the murders happened so that way they
look like something else, then yes. And if somehow Alex
Murdoch is connected to that movement of the bodies. That
would be really damning evidence for him that big I would.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Be a big whoopsie for you to explain the next
time we talk about this.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Wouldn't it less unless you're.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Moving the body in order to perform some sort of
life saving measure. Now moving the body in order to
perform CPR or to try and resuscitate them.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
See, that's why you make all that money, because you
just spun that out of thin air like Rumpel Stilskin.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I mean, you just spun it into goal. Amazing, amazing
what you just did right there. Guys, with all the
knowledge we now are amassing, I'm really interested in these
nine to one one. Take a listen to Alex Murdog
in our cut twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Oh they're close, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yet there they've been around with you ever since you've
got on the phone with me. I have multiple people
coming out there to you. Okay, I don't want you to touch.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Them at all.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I don't know if you've.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Already touched them, and I don't. I don't want you
to touch them, just in case they can get any
kind of evidence Okay, I've already.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Touched the time to get to see if they were breathing.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Okay, Well, I just don't want you to move anything,
just in case they can get any kind of evidence.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Oh yeah, man, I'm gonna call I need to call
some of my family.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Okay, over, well, it will do me a favor for
me whenever you see the officer or the medex because
they're all coming to you. Absolutely, okay, but we have
them come in. Turn on the flashes on your vehicle
so they can see you. Okay, you got the flashes
on for me?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Of who Wow, he sure calms down pretty quickly. Did
you hear that? Yeah, I got them on. I'm calling
my family and call my lawyer and calling my dope dealer.
So okay, let me go back to you.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Dave mac joining us Crime online dot Com investigative reporter
tell me again the report that there is direct physical
evidence linking him Alex Murdog to the double murders.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
At least one of the weapons used in the double
homicide belonged to the murdav family. We know that law
enforcement impounded a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban registered to
the murdav law firm from the scene. We know that
deputies found shellcasing that the scene. This is a report
from Fitz News. SLED agents requested the Sheriff's deputy searched
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the area near the crime seamer video surveillance systems on
the morning after the murge. We don't know what they
found there. On June sixteenth, SLED agents were collecting evidence
in a swampy area near the Skahatchee River, about two
miles south of Mozelle and Maggie. Murdaw's cell phone was
found along a rural South Carolina road just outside the
family seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge the day after the murder.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Straight out to Dotta Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists joining us
ntor Sherry, how do you analyze what you heard on
the naimalone call?
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Well, I mean, there's so many things, right, I mean,
he starts off, he's very emotional, he's crying, he's gasping
for air, and then, as you pointed out, at the end,
he's very calm. A matter of fact, it's very striking
to me that in the midst of this horror and
waiting for first responders, he needs to get off the
(32:58):
phone to contact family. I mean, you know, have you
given up totally? You know you who are you calling?
What family do you need to contact? And why at
this moment? You know, how are you gathering your thoughts
in that way? And he also says you know that
he did touch them to see if they were breathing,
(33:19):
but he doesn't mention anything about trying to render aid.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Will Murdoch's case be overruled, will he get a new trial,
or will he sit just where he needs to be
behind bars for the rest of his natural life? We
wait as just as sunfolds, and I wonder can he
get Hulu behind bars? Goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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