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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Alert hourly update, breaking crime news Now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Drew Nilson In Indiana, The Delphi murder trial enters
its thirteenth day, with Richard Allen's defense seam working to
create doubts about the state's case. Allen, charged with the
twenty seventeen murders of teenagers Abby Williams and Libby Jerman,
faces four counts of murder. Testimony today focuses on Allan's
mental state while in prison, as well as his treatment
(00:23):
and behavior in solitary confinement. The defense called several witnesses
to support claims that Allan's confinement worsened his mental health,
challenging the reliability of his confessions made while in prison.
Friday's testimony began with Heim and police officer Christopher Gutti,
who had worked on the Delphi case for about two weeks,
recounting an interview he conducted with Brad Weber, a property
(00:45):
owner near the crime scene. Weber had driven a van
near the mon On High Bridge on the day of
the murders, but Guti could not remember if Weber had
told him exactly where he went after work that day.
This interaction as part of the defense's strategy to question
the timelines of the events around the crime. Then the
defense brought out doctor Deanna Dwanger, the Director of Behavioral
Health for the Indiana Department of Correction who has overseen
(01:07):
the mental health policies and services at IDoc since twenty
twenty one. She did not directly treat Richard Allen, but
she provided a view into Allan's experience at Westville Correctional Facility,
where he had been held in solitary confinement for over
a year. Doctor Dwinger explained the toll this level of
isolation can have on mental health, saying quote, solitary confinement
(01:27):
is not good for the mind. According to her, IDoc
policy advises that someone with a serious mental illness should
not be held in solitary for more than thirty days,
but Alan's confinement lasted thirteen months. Doctor Dwanger testified that
Allan's mental health issues worsened in the spring of twenty
twenty three, when his prison team diagnosed him with serious
mental illness and classified him as gravely disabled. He showed
(01:50):
troubling behavior, including flushing a bible down the toilet and
eating his own waist. There is video of some of
this behavior from the round the clock surveillance of his cell.
The mental illness diagnosis came around the same time that
Allan confessed to his family over the phone, saying he
had killed the two girls. Allan's confession coincided with an
unusual behavioral spiral, which included self harm and erratic actions that,
(02:12):
according to the defense, are common signs of severe mental stress.
When questioned about why Alan had been placed in solitary confinement,
doctor Dwinger said she did not make that decision and
was unaware who did, but she admitted feeling concern over
the surveillance camera always fixed on Alan. She had recommended
it be removed, but the camera remained in place, adding
to what she described as a quote non therapeutic environment
(02:36):
for someone with severe mental health needs. Quote someone left
alone too long like that can go down hill.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'm nicole part.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
A suspect has been apprehended in connection with the unusual
death of a camera in Montana. This initially believed to
be the result of a bear attack. On Wednesday, the
Gallatin County Sheriff's Office announced that they have identified a
suspect related to the death of thirty five year.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Old Dustin Jerseman.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Jerseyman, a father from Belgrade, was discovered with severe injuries
to his body and head in the Montana Wilderness near
Big Sky.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
This on October twelve.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
He had gone missing two days prior and his body
found by someone who initially thought he had been mauled
by a bear. However, a representative from the Montana Department
of Fish, Wildlife and Parks later determined that there was
no evidence of a bear in the vicinity, prompting the
Sheriff's office to launch a homicide investigation.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The suspect, whose.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Identity has not been disclosed, reportedly led authorities to evidence
pertinent to the case and is currently in custody on
separate charges while cooperating with the investigation. This according to
Sheriff Dan Springer, the investigation into this homicide is ongoing.
He said, we believe the suspect acted alone and there
(03:56):
is no longer a danger to the public. Details and
potential charges will be announced soon. Springer praised the detectives
for their relentless pursuit of justice, acknowledging that their hard
work and identifying the assailant had paid off when his
remains were initially discovered. Springer described the incident as a
(04:17):
vicious attack, emphasizing that Jersman was murdered in a heinous way.
Before his death, Jersman was driving a black twenty thirteen
Ford f one point fifty with a black topper and
silver aluminum ladder. He had gone out with a friend
for a weekend of camping. His sister, Jillian Price, spoke
to NBC about how the family loved their brother.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
This weekend, we lost our brother, our son, our uncle,
our best friends, and our dad in the most unimaginable way.
Dustin was a great kid. He was born here in Bozeman,
and he worked all over the valley. He could have
framed your house. He could have court your foundation, you
could have installed your countertops. Hardworking, skilled tradesman. There is
(05:03):
someone in our valley that is capable of truly heinous things.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Police say.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
The suspect is being held without bond and further information
will be released.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I'm Jennifer Gould.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
A disturbing case involving a children's therapist in New York.
Instead of helping kids, she allegedly violated them sexually. Renee Hoberman,
a licensed social worker from Long Island, has been arrested
and charged with creating and distributing child pornography. She was
arrested after agents with Homeland Security rated her plain View home.
(05:38):
This neighbor, Nick Randisi, spoke to ABC seven.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
News, I haven't seen her since she was a little,
tiny kid, and all of a sudden, she's grown up
and she's moved out, and she's a monster.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
According to federal prosecutors, the thirty six year old used
social media platforms to share explicit videos of infants and
young children engaging.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
In sea sexual acts.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
She also allegedly posed as a man online and engaged
in disturbing conversations with other users about child sexual abuse.
In some instances, she even claimed to have produced child
porn herself, sharing explicit videos of children she had abused.
The videos, which were shared between June and October of
(06:23):
twenty twenty four, depict horrific acts of sexual abuse, including
infants as young as six months old being raped and tortured.
According to federal prosecutors, Oberman provided youth counseling services to
children at Southoaks Hospital in Amityville from twenty sixteen to
twenty twenty one. She also worked at elementary schools and
(06:47):
mental health clinics. Before becoming a licensed social worker. According
to her LifeStance biography page, Hoberman was arrested in charged
with distribution of child pornography. If convicted, she faces a
minimum sentence of five years in prison. Poperman is being
held without bond. For the latest crime and justice news,
follow the Crime Alert hourly update on your favorite podcast
(07:08):
app with this crime Alert.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm Jennifer Gould.
Crime Alert hourly update, breaking crime news Now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Drew Nilson In Indiana, The Delphi murder trial enters
its thirteenth day, with Richard Allen's defense seam working to
create doubts about the state's case. Allen, charged with the
twenty seventeen murders of teenagers Abby Williams and Libby Jerman,
faces four counts of murder. Testimony today focuses on Allan's
mental state while in prison, as well as his treatment
(00:23):
and behavior in solitary confinement. The defense called several witnesses
to support claims that Allan's confinement worsened his mental health,
challenging the reliability of his confessions made while in prison.
Friday's testimony began with Heim and police officer Christopher Gutti,
who had worked on the Delphi case for about two weeks,
recounting an interview he conducted with Brad Weber, a property
(00:45):
owner near the crime scene. Weber had driven a van
near the mon On High Bridge on the day of
the murders, but Guti could not remember if Weber had
told him exactly where he went after work that day.
This interaction as part of the defense's strategy to question
the timelines of the events around the crime. Then the
defense brought out doctor Deanna Dwanger, the Director of Behavioral
Health for the Indiana Department of Correction who has overseen
(01:07):
the mental health policies and services at IDoc since twenty
twenty one. She did not directly treat Richard Allen, but
she provided a view into Allan's experience at Westville Correctional Facility,
where he had been held in solitary confinement for over
a year. Doctor Dwinger explained the toll this level of
isolation can have on mental health, saying quote, solitary confinement
(01:27):
is not good for the mind. According to her, IDoc
policy advises that someone with a serious mental illness should
not be held in solitary for more than thirty days,
but Alan's confinement lasted thirteen months. Doctor Dwanger testified that
Allan's mental health issues worsened in the spring of twenty
twenty three, when his prison team diagnosed him with serious
mental illness and classified him as gravely disabled. He showed
(01:50):
troubling behavior, including flushing a bible down the toilet and
eating his own waist. There is video of some of
this behavior from the round the clock surveillance of his cell.
The mental illness diagnosis came around the same time that
Allan confessed to his family over the phone, saying he
had killed the two girls. Allan's confession coincided with an
unusual behavioral spiral, which included self harm and erratic actions that,
(02:12):
according to the defense, are common signs of severe mental stress.
When questioned about why Alan had been placed in solitary confinement,
doctor Dwinger said she did not make that decision and
was unaware who did, but she admitted feeling concern over
the surveillance camera always fixed on Alan. She had recommended
it be removed, but the camera remained in place, adding
to what she described as a quote non therapeutic environment
(02:36):
for someone with severe mental health needs. Quote someone left
alone too long like that can go down hill.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'm nicole part.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
A suspect has been apprehended in connection with the unusual
death of a camera in Montana. This initially believed to
be the result of a bear attack. On Wednesday, the
Gallatin County Sheriff's Office announced that they have identified a
suspect related to the death of thirty five year.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Old Dustin Jerseman.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Jerseyman, a father from Belgrade, was discovered with severe injuries
to his body and head in the Montana Wilderness near
Big Sky.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
This on October twelve.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
He had gone missing two days prior and his body
found by someone who initially thought he had been mauled
by a bear. However, a representative from the Montana Department
of Fish, Wildlife and Parks later determined that there was
no evidence of a bear in the vicinity, prompting the
Sheriff's office to launch a homicide investigation.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The suspect, whose.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Identity has not been disclosed, reportedly led authorities to evidence
pertinent to the case and is currently in custody on
separate charges while cooperating with the investigation. This according to
Sheriff Dan Springer, the investigation into this homicide is ongoing.
He said, we believe the suspect acted alone and there
(03:56):
is no longer a danger to the public. Details and
potential charges will be announced soon. Springer praised the detectives
for their relentless pursuit of justice, acknowledging that their hard
work and identifying the assailant had paid off when his
remains were initially discovered. Springer described the incident as a
(04:17):
vicious attack, emphasizing that Jersman was murdered in a heinous way.
Before his death, Jersman was driving a black twenty thirteen
Ford f one point fifty with a black topper and
silver aluminum ladder. He had gone out with a friend
for a weekend of camping. His sister, Jillian Price, spoke
to NBC about how the family loved their brother.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
This weekend, we lost our brother, our son, our uncle,
our best friends, and our dad in the most unimaginable way.
Dustin was a great kid. He was born here in Bozeman,
and he worked all over the valley. He could have
framed your house. He could have court your foundation, you
could have installed your countertops. Hardworking, skilled tradesman. There is
(05:03):
someone in our valley that is capable of truly heinous things.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Police say.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
The suspect is being held without bond and further information
will be released.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I'm Jennifer Gould.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
A disturbing case involving a children's therapist in New York.
Instead of helping kids, she allegedly violated them sexually. Renee Hoberman,
a licensed social worker from Long Island, has been arrested
and charged with creating and distributing child pornography. She was
arrested after agents with Homeland Security rated her plain View home.
(05:38):
This neighbor, Nick Randisi, spoke to ABC seven.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
News, I haven't seen her since she was a little,
tiny kid, and all of a sudden, she's grown up
and she's moved out, and she's a monster.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
According to federal prosecutors, the thirty six year old used
social media platforms to share explicit videos of infants and
young children engaging.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
In sea sexual acts.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
She also allegedly posed as a man online and engaged
in disturbing conversations with other users about child sexual abuse.
In some instances, she even claimed to have produced child
porn herself, sharing explicit videos of children she had abused.
The videos, which were shared between June and October of
(06:23):
twenty twenty four, depict horrific acts of sexual abuse, including
infants as young as six months old being raped and tortured.
According to federal prosecutors, Oberman provided youth counseling services to
children at Southoaks Hospital in Amityville from twenty sixteen to
twenty twenty one. She also worked at elementary schools and
(06:47):
mental health clinics. Before becoming a licensed social worker. According
to her LifeStance biography page, Hoberman was arrested in charged
with distribution of child pornography. If convicted, she faces a
minimum sentence of five years in prison. Poperman is being
held without bond. For the latest crime and justice news,
follow the Crime Alert hourly update on your favorite podcast
(07:08):
app with this crime Alert.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm Jennifer Gould.
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