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March 4, 2025 42 mins

Tot Mom Casey Anthony joins TikTok and launches a Substack as a "legal advocate" who will "advocate for my daughter."

In her first TikTok, Anthony claims she has "been in the legal field since 2011," an accurate statement if being on trial for her daughter's murder counts as legal experience. Anthony was acquitted of murder but convicted of lying to police. She describes the platform "thrust upon" her as a blessing, not a curse, and says she supports the LGBTQ community.

As she pursues her new role as a self-proclaimed "legal advocate," Anthony reintroduces herself by mentioning her daughter, Caylee, and her parents, George and Cindy. She says the TikTok is not about her parents or their actions but adds that she may discuss them in the future.

Along with her TikTok video, Anthony announces her deal with Substack, a subscription-based platform for writers and podcasters. Subscriptions to her channel cost $10 per month or $100 annually, with a free tier offering limited content.

The world learned about Casey Anthony when her mother called 911 to report that her granddaughter had been missing for nearly a month and that Casey had just admitted it. Anthony spun a web of lies, claiming a nanny had taken 2-year-old Caylee and had not returned her. Police and the media got involved, but none of her claims proved true.

On October 14, a grand jury indicted Anthony on charges of first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child, and four counts of providing false information to police. She was arrested, pleaded not guilty, and was held without bail. Prosecutors announced plans to seek the death penalty. Anthony was acquitted of murder, but the jury convicted her on four counts of providing false information to law enforcement.

Joining Nancy Grace today:

  • Troy Slaten  - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers, APC; X @TroySlaten

  • Dr. Bethany Marshall -  Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive

  • Rob Dick - Casey Anthony's Former Bodyguard, Bounty Hunter, Private Investigator, Former Deputy Sheriff for Sacramento County Sheriff's Dept., and Owner of Renegade Investigations

  • Joseph Scott Morgan  -  Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host of "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" X:@JoScottForensic

  • Shannon Butler - Investigative Reporter at WFTV Channel 9, Florida

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, The return of Top Mom.
It feels like a dirt sandwich in my mouth, the
return of Top Mom, TikTok, stardom ahead as Casey Anthony
Hater's beg please go away.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Thank you for being with us today. A three year
old game.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Caley that brings it back home to the Discovery.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
And I went and looked at the spot where.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Kelly Anthony's body was bagged in trash bags from Top Mom,
Casey Anthony's home and thrown in a swampy area covered
in trash and use tires, just out of a swamp.
And that is where Kelly decomposed, this beautiful little girl,

(01:20):
the shining light of her grandparents' eyes in a swamp, decaying.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
And now this I.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Am a legal advocate. I am a researcher. I've been
in the legal field since twenty eleven, and in this capacity,
I feel that it's necessary, if I'm going to continue
to operate appropriately as a legal advocate, that I start
to advocate for myself and also advocate for my daughter.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Okay, well I need to see that again.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
That's from Casey Anthony's official talk account at Casey Anthony
Underscore substack ps.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
If you don't know what a substance.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Means, it means money to her in her pocket. I'll
explain it.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I've I've got to see this again.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
I am a legal advocate. I am a researcher. I've
been in the legal field since twenty eleven, and in
this capacity, I feel that it's necessary if I'm going
to continue to operate appropriately as a legal advocate, that
I start to advocate for myself and also advocate for
my daughter.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Okay, that's some.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm a top one Ksey Anthony's TikTok account at Casey
Anthony underscore substec whoa whoa whoa legal advocate?

Speaker 4 (02:32):
No, you're not.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
You were trying for the murder of your little girl
legal advocate my rear end and who did I hear
her say? She's been involved? Let me look at this
in the legal system since two thy eleven. You mean
when you were tried for murder? Joining me an all
star panel. But I just want to remind everybody what

(02:56):
this is really about.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
No one would even know her name if you.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Work for this, there's something wrong.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
I found my daughter's car today and it's not like
percent a red body and the car.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Okay, what is the three year old's name?

Speaker 6 (03:08):
Kaylee c A y l E E Anthony Hailey Anthony, Yeah, okay,
she white, black her Hispanics it's white.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
How long has she been missing for?

Speaker 6 (03:21):
I have not seen her since the seventh of June?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
What is her date of verse.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Eight nine, two thousand three, two thousand and five. True, listen,
But during.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
That is Cindy Anthony Killy's grandmother calling reporting her missing,
not taught.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Mom, her own mother. Advocate for my daughter.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Advocate for my daughter, who call nine one one, not
you listen.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
A month ago?

Speaker 7 (04:08):
Okay, I mean I understand. Can you just can you
calm down for me? For this submitte and I don't
even know what's going on.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
Okay, I'm gonna chin.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Advocate for my daughter joining me. Joe Scott Morgan or
now death investigative professor at Jacksonville State University, author of
Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of Body
Bags with Joe Scott Morgan Reality Check. You know finding
out that top Mom is offering a substack.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
In other words, you go listen to her.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
And she gets money, By the way, Joe Scott already
just her announcement as has racked up over three million views.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
She gets paid for that.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
If there are ads in there, all that money is
going into her pocket. Harsh reality. No one would even
know her name if she had not been charged with
murdering her daughter. Tell me what happened to Kelly.

Speaker 8 (05:11):
I can tell you what the end result was. All
we have left now are skeletal remains period. As a
matter of fact, her body, Nancy, was so badly decayed
after they recovered it from that brushy area out there
in that swamp like environment, that they could not even

(05:31):
come to a conclusion about what her specific cause of death.
It's non specified homicidal means. And it's as.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Scott, excuse me, wasn't duct tape wrapped around.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
The baby's mouth and nose with.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
A heartstick or stuck on it? That gives me a.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Pretty good idea as to how she died.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
You think you could survive with.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Duct tape wrapped around your nose and mouth.

Speaker 8 (06:00):
I'll go one better than that. Nancy, it wasn't around
her nose and mouth, it was around her skull. Just
let that sink in. Just for a second, that's what
was done.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
To this child.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
She's cast off like garbage, Nancy, and then you know,
insult to injury. Here we're talking a month down range
before anyone says peep about her missing, and all the
while she's been out there just in a state of decay, Nancy.
And as you know, Florida is a very harsh environment,
there was hardly anything left that scientifically we could really

(06:34):
hang our hats on to try to understand what it
actually happened.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
To her, you know, just saying that, Joe Scott Morgan
and think about it every day every day, Tot Mom,
Casey Anthony would pass that spot, as I said, it's
about ten houses down from the Anthony home and you
come out of their cul de sac and if you
turn right, well you have to pass it.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Do you know, Joecot, I don't think I've ever told
you this. I have never been back to where my
fiance was murdered. Never.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I don't think I could stand to look at it.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I know that's where he was murdered.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
But she passed this every day and never said a word.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Day by day, think.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
About it, Joe Scott, As each hour passedes, what happened
to Kelly's body?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
When did flyes show up and lay eggs?

Speaker 4 (07:28):
When did he.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Her flesh start slipping off of her body? I know
it's harsh, Joe Scott, but this is the reality.

Speaker 8 (07:35):
Yeah, you're you're right, And in that environment, it's so
harsh down there, Nancy. And to think that this person
could have moved back and forth across this and you know,
court said that she didn't know, or at least they
didn't find her guilty of it. But come on, give
me a break. You know you're driving by this every

(07:56):
single day, and that precious little angel is out there,
and it stated, Kay, I can't even begin to plumb
the depths of how you.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
When I was first, Joe Scott, what happens first?

Speaker 4 (08:07):
But her body is in that bag? What happens in.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
The first five hours of her body being that bag?

Speaker 8 (08:13):
Yeah, just within the first five hours, particularly in Florida,
you're going to have the presence of flies being attracted
to this area. And people say, well, she's in a bag.
You know, they know flies always find a way they
get in and then they begin or they kind of
aid in this process of decomposition and it's sped up

(08:34):
very very quickly in that environment, Nancy, and having worked
in Louisiana, that's very similar to this. I've actually seen
flags laid on the eyes and the mouth and the
nose within three hours of death.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yet today top mom Casey Anthony returns to tick talk stardom.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
There are people close to me who have been targeted
in attack recently.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
They are also people close.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
To me who have had some some recent things occur
and when necessary, people needed to step up myself included.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
That is from at Casey Anthony underscore substack.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Okay, I just heard her say there.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Are people close to me that I've been targeted, like Kelly,
is your is your daughter there?

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Wind have song with them?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Is your daughter there?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (09:23):
Can I stepret her.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Be winded by secret hers? Thank you?

Speaker 6 (09:28):
I call them two hours ago now taught here. Finally,
there is a very problem.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
Ma'am, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
We want to talk to you. Question.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
Hello, Hello, yes, hi, Well can you can you come
you what's going on a little bit? I'm sorry, can
you tell me a little what's going on? And my
daughter's been received for the last thirty.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
One days and you know who has her? I know
who the are I tried to contact her. I actually
received a phone call today now from a number of
this isn't no longer in service. I did get to
speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Okay, did you guys follow me for a vehicle thorn?

Speaker 6 (10:14):
And yes, my mom did.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
All of that is a lie.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
She is describing her daughter being taken by the nanny,
and today she's saying.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
People close to me have been targeted and attacked.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Really, what about Zennia Fernanda's glazaals. That's a real person
that was attacked and wrongly named by her as a kidnapper.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's a real person.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
That's a woman wandering around minding her own business.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
They got dragged into top Mond Casey Anthony's vortex.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Listen. She even spells the name for peep's sake.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
You have her, you a name.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
Her name is Jay, that's Fernando and Sue Ellis.

Speaker 9 (11:00):
Baby.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
She has enally nanny for fout a year and almost
two years.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Why why are you calling now? Why didn't you call
it thirty one days ago?

Speaker 6 (11:08):
I've been looking for her and have gone through other
resources to try to find her, which was stupid.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Okay, can you can you give me the name of
the then nanny again like sell it out for me.

Speaker 10 (11:20):
Niva v E n ai ba, last name Rnandez Fernandez
hyphen Gonzales.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Man, what a liar she even knows how to put
the hyphen Gonzales. There's actually a real person out there
names and Night Fernandez Gonzales.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
And isn't it true? To Shannah Butler joining me right now?

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine, Florida.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
This jurisdiction that when the apartment where tot.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Mom says she dropped off baby Kelly was found by police,
it had been vacant for one hundred and forty days,
one hundred and forty.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Days no one had lived there.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Then when she took police to where she worked, to
Universal Studios, she got all the way in the car
with cops, all the way to the security gate, all
the way through the security gate to the building, out
of the car, walking in the building to find her boss,
and she says, okay, you got me. I haven't worked

(12:26):
here in three years, all the time wearing her Universal
uniform with her tag. Her parents thinking she worked while
she sat on the sofa in eight chips while they
paid for Kelly, isn't all of that true?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
That is all true?

Speaker 11 (12:41):
I remember back then.

Speaker 12 (12:42):
I mean I did nothing but this story for three
years here in Orlando. And I remember when we talked
to the investigators after all of this happened. They said
they had never met a better liar than Casey Anthony,
that she was so stuck to those stories even when
they were going through universe on there and she said,

(13:04):
oh yeah, I don't work here. She was so defiant,
they said, about the stories she was telling, almost looking
at them like, you're a bunch of idiots.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Hear what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (13:13):
This is what happened, And she stuck to those stories,
and they said that she was it was.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
It was a tough interview. I mean, look at her.

Speaker 12 (13:21):
You wouldn't think that she would be so married to
those stories that these investigators could break her. They said
she just kept going and kept going and kept going
with those stories. That she either believed those lies or
was just dead set on trying to make sure everyone
else believed them too.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
I literally have nothing right now.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
I am so.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Hurt by everything.

Speaker 13 (13:43):
And I watched that.

Speaker 14 (13:44):
Episode of Nancy Grace, the stuff that was being said
about me and you don't you guys are not understanding
my side on this. Come.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
What side is that that you murdered your daughter and
left it to decay in a swamp ten houses down
from the Anthony how and then went by her every day. Wait,
maybe you didn't drive by it every day. Because of
those thirty one days that your daughter was decomposing, you
were slung up at your boyfriend's.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
House with all of his roommates.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
That's romantic, and according to him, you never acted like
anything was wrong at all. I guess it bothers me
more that Kelly was decomposing with flies all over her
body while you were making spaghetti for him and his roommates. Okay,
that said in the last hours toddm I'm Casey Anthony's

(14:33):
return to stardom TikTok fame.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yes, it's real. Listen for those of.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
You who don't know, my name is Kasey Anthony, my
daughter is Kaylee Anthony. My parents are George and Cindy Anthony.
This is not about them. This is not in response
to anything that they have said or done. That's not
to say that I'm not going to respond at some
point to some of the things that they have said
and done.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
That was from the TikTok account at Casey anthony underscore
substate speaking of yours, Anthony, that.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You dragged through the mud your own father.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Listen.

Speaker 15 (15:05):
I remember being asked about this at the very beginning,
when I talked about walking up to that car and
getting about three feet away from it and the smell
that emanated from that car. I could smell it three
feet away on the passenger side when I opened up
that card tour. Yeah, it smelled like decomposition, human decomposition.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
That's George Anthony, who I consider to be a friend
from our friends at wesh WSH two News.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But he had to take the.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Stand and describing the overwhelming smell of human decomposition during
the search for his granddaughter and straight out to Shannon
Butler and WFTV that car.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
That smelled of human d coop? Whose car was that?
Casey Anthony's speaking of George Listen.

Speaker 16 (15:57):
In Casey Anthony's version of events on Jene six teenth,
two thousand and eight, Casey Anthony claimed she wasn't feeling
well and got Kaylle to lay down with her. Anthony
claims she was woken by her father shaking her and
asking where Kaylee was.

Speaker 13 (16:09):
Casey Anthony claims she saw her father, George Anthony, holding
Kaylee and that Kallie was soaking wet. She further claims
that George Anthony handed Keaylle to her, saying it was
all her fault. She claims George didn't want to call
nine one one and wasn't trying to resuscitate her, so
she left and stayed with her boyfriend at the time,
Tony Lazarro for the next thirty one days. She claimed

(16:31):
she believed Kaylee was alive.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, let me understand this. You're the defense Attorny Troy Slayton.
So she says, she laid down for a nap, woke up,
Kelly was gone, and her dad said everything will be okay.
After she sees Kelly lifeless and drenched soaked with water,
so she says okay and goes this slings with.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
The boyfriend for the next month. Just yes, Note does
that make sense to you? Her grandparent and took care
of Kaylee all the time. This was not unusual.

Speaker 9 (17:05):
They she was at their house, she was with them,
she was an integral part of the family, and it's
not unusual for grandparents to look after their granddaughter.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
And this is a single mind.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I just want to say, if he's keeping a straight
face right now, children.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
I believe you do, don't you? I absolutely do?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, So you see your child lifeless, lifeless, drenched, soaked
in water.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
And what do you do?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
You leave and sling up at your lover's apartment for
thirty one days?

Speaker 11 (17:39):
You know that?

Speaker 17 (17:40):
What? What are you?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
What are you babbling about?

Speaker 17 (17:43):
What is this?

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Gibberis sure the jury disagreed with you and agreed rising.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
You right now? Does it make sense to you?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Is that what you would do if you saw your
child lifeless, drenched?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
No, I knew that my child was dead.

Speaker 9 (18:02):
But you know what's really interesting is that thirty one
days interesting? Suddenly the grandparents are calling the police, crying
in tears, thirty one days after their granddaughter who was
with them all the time is gone.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Suddenly, on this thirty first day, they're calling the police.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
That's that's not what happened, Shannon Butler joining me, let
me refresh your recollection, Troy Slayton, Shannon WFTV. Isn't true
that during those thirty one days, top mom Casey Anthony
would repeatedly tell her mother, Oh, we're here, We're there,
We're at the grocery.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Store, We're at Target.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Oh, the nanny has her at the beach.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
She lied throughout and would never let Grandma Cindy Anthony
speak to Kelly.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Isn't that true?

Speaker 4 (18:50):
That is correct?

Speaker 12 (18:51):
I mean she did give her parents a lot of
stories pretending that Kaylee was okay. I think that the
parents were concerned about it, but there was no indication
at that point that she was missing or had disappeared,
So it took some time. In their defense, you know,
it took some time because.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Of the stories that Casey was telling them, they had
no reason to think anything was amiss. Back to Rob
Dick joining me, this is Top Mom's former bodyguard now
owner of Renegade Investigations. As a matter of fact, isn't
it true that when you dealt with Top Mom Casey Anthony, she.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Acted cool as a cucumber, like nothing was wrong.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
The entire time, that entire thirty one days that she
apparently had this baby, she acted like nothing was wrong.
My point is her demeanor. What was her demeanor when
you were around her?

Speaker 17 (19:49):
Rob Dick definitely not a person who is quote missing
a child I mean she never acted like that.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
She acted like there was nothing wrong.

Speaker 17 (19:59):
Kaylee's name never came up. I mean, this is the
time when she's locked away in jail, comes out her
first public exposure. I mean, what would a normal mother
do be asking where are we at? What's going on?
Anybody heard anything? Not once is she bringing up Kaye?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
You mean you had her in the car with you,
You drove her to her parents' home where she has
been free loading for years. At any point with her
in the car, did she cry? Did she seem upset
that she say? I can't I've got to go find
my daughter. I can't find Kelly. Where's Kelly? Have you

(20:37):
heard about Kelly? What's the latest? I didn't have TV,
I didn't have ready. What's happening with my daughter? Did
that ever happen?

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Rob Dick?

Speaker 17 (20:43):
Not once, not once did she bring her up or
even seem to care about looking for It was George
and Cindy that were trying to find any details, not her.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Crime story with Nancy Grace.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now Rob Dick. She says she is a legal advocate
for her daughter.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
I am a legal advocate, I am a researcher. I've
been in the legal field since twenty eleven, and in
this capacity, I feel that it's necessary if I'm going
to continue to operate appropriately as a legal advocate, that
I start to advocate for myself and also advocate for
my daughter.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Advocate for your daughter, legal advocate my rear end. Your
exposure to the justice system was when you were.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Tried for murder.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
That is from at Casey Anthony underscore substack and it
will be a cold day in h double l before
I listen to one episode.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And give one red penny to top mom.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
How long have you been missing for?

Speaker 6 (21:54):
My daughter's been missing for the last thirty one days?

Speaker 7 (21:57):
Why are you calling now?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Why didn't you call.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Thy one days ago?

Speaker 6 (22:00):
I have been looking for her.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Stupid lies, all lies.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I want you to see on Twitter what populated last night.
And I couldn't agree with you more. Chris says Nancy
Casey Anthony's on TikTok claiming to be a legal advocate
justice for Peyton. When she says she was advocating for
her daughter, I felt physically ill seeing her follower count

(22:28):
up to over forty thousand, is nauseated. What the f
is wrong with these people? Camping life with all the
lies she told about her daughter. Who would believe a word?
She says, Sandy Cole, I could stomach sending you the video.
But guess who's made a social media appearance and claiming
to be a legal advocate. I hope you're sitting down,

(22:51):
Yalayla says, where is Nancy Grace? Why is Kasey Anthony
on TikTok trying to make a platform for herself?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Go yell at her.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Don't worry, I will, Lauren Colin, I'm going to. I
can't wait to hear you break down her filthy lies. Okay,
let me go to my colleague Joe Scott Morgan just
for another reality check, Joe Scott, while we are watching
Top Mom, Casey Anthony's return to stardom and TikTok fag fame.

(23:20):
I never actually thought those words would come out of
my mouth, but they are. This isn't her first stab
at making money off her dead daughter again, how was
Kelly's body found?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Just turned three?

Speaker 4 (23:36):
She got that big right there listening.

Speaker 8 (23:39):
Yeah, she's found decomposing in the swamp, Nancy after being
cast off. But I've got one more for you as well.
Going back to what Rob had said earlier, with her
in the car with him. Her reaction. Remember what Dad said,
He went to the car and he smelled decomposition when
he got into the car. That doesn't just miracles happened.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
You know.

Speaker 8 (24:01):
You can take a deceased person and put them in
the car and you're not going to have a whiff
of decomposition. It takes time for that to produce itself
and present. That baby was in that car for a
protracted period of time, traveling all about all the while
she's living the party life, you.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Know, Doctor Bethany Marshall.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
When the trial occurred, we moved to Orlando for the
duration of the trial, and I had the twins with me.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Do you know how many times I wish now.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I could have them at that age again, to you know,
take care of them, to love them, to brush their hair.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
To take them to fun places to go. And I
think about this.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Child in a trash bag.

Speaker 18 (24:54):
Nancy Kaylee was only a pawn for Casey Anthony. Listen
to what she says on this TikTok. She's going to
be a legal advocate for her daughter. She's just using
her daughter to manipulate the public to garner sympathy. You
know why she was living with her parents, right, George
and Cindy. She was living with them because she relegated
the care of her daughter to the grandparents. And finally,

(25:17):
Cindy Anthony goes and sees a therapist, and the therapist
says to Cindy Anthony, you need to get your daughter
to start taking care of the granddaughter. That is what
precipitated all of this. At this Cindy came home and
said to Kaylee, to Casey, you need to start taking
care of Kayleie.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Well you know what happened.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Then.

Speaker 18 (25:36):
Casey had only been using her daughter as a pond
with her own grandparents. So as you used to say,
she could lie on the sofa, eat chips, go out
with other people, you know, just.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Live the high life.

Speaker 18 (25:47):
This little girl was only used by her mother. And
anybody who begins to watch those TikTok videos is going
to participate in that exploitation.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Of a child. Thank you, doctor Bethany. I managed to
get myself together.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
One of the cardinal rules of trying a case or
analyzing a case is don't put yourself in the shoes
of the victim.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
And I just did that, thinking about my own children at.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
That tender age, I had them with me while I
covered the Top mon Casey Anthony trial and investigated it myself.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
But in the very latest top Mom Casey.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Anthony's return to TikTok stardom for any idiot that wants
to pay for it.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Listen, for those of you who don't know, my name
is Kasey Anthony, my daughter is Kaylee Anthony. My parents
are George and Cindy Anthony. This is not about them.
This is not in response to anything that they have
said or done. That's not to say that I'm not
going to respond at some point to some of the
things that they have said and done.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Oh yeah, I'm sure she's going to attack her parents
because she once she rides her daughter's corpse to Helen back,
then she'll have to find somebody else to attack, and
that would be George and Cindy. That is from at
Casey Anthony underscore substance. That's the new TikTok accounts. And
speaking of George, he passed a Polly Top Mom.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Can't say that. Listen.

Speaker 13 (27:08):
I didn't know where she was at, correct, That's all
I'm asking.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
So the question again, did you knowingly conceal Kelly's wordlines.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
From our friends at any so, the story went from
I don't know where Kelly is to oh, yeah, you
know what. I was taking a nat with Kelly and
I woke up, she was gone and I started looking
for her, and the next thing I know, my dad
showed up and she was lifeless, drenched in water. And
I just went away and had sex with my boyfriend
for thirty one days. I thought everything would just be fine.

(27:41):
Well it went from that too. George Anthony molested me
and my daughter, and then he killed my daughter to
cover up the molestation. But there's another theory as to
why tot Mom hatched the molestation story.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Listen.

Speaker 11 (28:02):
Cindy Anthony claims in the new special on A and
E Casey Anthony's parents, the Light Detector Test, that the
reason her daughter, Casey Anthony accused her father of molestation
is because she found out that her father, George Anthony,
was the main witness to testify against her in front
of the grand jury, besides the Sheriff's Department detective. When
asked why he testified in front of the grand jury,

(28:23):
George Anthony says he believed his daughter.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Casey Anthony belonged in jail.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
What about that defense attorney Troy Slayton joining us out
of la You gave me this big song and dance
about the baby, but what about dragging your own father
through the mud. He got up and testified and subjected
himself to cross examination on all of her lies about
him molesting little Cally.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
She didn't.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
She sat there silent and watched her parents be destroyed
on the stand.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
So it's okay with you that she drags them through
the mud as well.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Suddenly, when she on trial for murder, sheet remembers that
her dad sex molested her. Oh yes, she said her
brother sex molested her too, That she was molested and
so was Cally. And the whole reason her father, a
former cop, murdered Kelly is because he was covering up
molestation on a two year old little girl.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Is that okay with you that she.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Drags down everybody around her and now she wants my money?

Speaker 9 (29:27):
Do we only respect a jury verdict when the verdict
comes out the way we want.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I mean, I'm asking you about George.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
I'm asking you about George.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
You've already gotten on your soapbox about.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
A verdict and the juror say they regret what I'm
asking you about George dragging.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Him through the mud.

Speaker 9 (29:48):
Dragging him through the mud. This is the jury believed
what she said. Obviously the jury found that there was insufficience.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
That's not what they said. Well, they said they didn't
understand of dead.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I'm asking you, how about her changing story and then
dragging George through the mud.

Speaker 9 (30:06):
This wasn't where six people thought one thing and six
people thought another thing.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Or are going to address what she did to her father.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Maybe it was true. We don't know whether or not
it was true.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Hey, hey, you better watch out Troy Slayton, because there
is something called oral slander defamation.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
It'll be a cold day in h double l that
I stand.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
By and let somebody claim George molested anybody you're calling.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Casey, antell me it may be true, not guilty.

Speaker 9 (30:40):
She has been exonerated by our criminal justice system, and
everybody here is branding her a murderer.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
And now she's making money off her daughter's dead body
and is threatening to drag George and Cindy to hell
him back again.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Listen, can't you hear her?

Speaker 5 (30:58):
For Pete's sake, for those of you who don't know.
My name is Casey Anthony, my daughter is Kaylee Anthony.
My parents are George and Cindy Anthony. This is not
about them. This is not in response to anything that
they have said or done. That's not to say that
I'm not going to respond at some point to some
of the things that they have said and done.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
TikTok at. Casey Anthony underscore substantic crime stories with Nancy Grace.

Speaker 14 (31:29):
Can someone let me come on? My entire life has
been taken from me. Do you understand how I feel?
I mean, do you really understand how I feel on this?
But I'm just as much of a victim as the
rest of you.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Oh my stars, I'm just as much of a victim
as the rest of you.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Speaking of all her lies on George Rob Dick.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Joining me, Casey Anthony's former bodyguard now owner Renegade Investigations,
Rob Dick. Isn't it true that after she was brought
home the first time before she was charged with murder,
George Anthony physically attacked her, pushed her up against the wall,
demanding to know where's Keihy?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Isn't that true?

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (32:12):
I was obviously at that point, George had no idea.
He wanted the answers. He knew that something had happened
to his granddaughter and he grabbed her. He wanted the
answers what happened to Kailey?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
And this was in front of you as well as Cindy.
But at any time did she say, Dad.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
You had her last? Remember when you got her out of.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
The pool after you molested her? Did any of that happen?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Rob Dick?

Speaker 17 (32:36):
She never brought up those issues until trial.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Listen to more of Top Mom in her knee money
making venture.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
As a proponent for the LGBTQ community for legal community
women's rights, I feel that it's important that I use
this platform that was thrust upon me and now look
at as a blessing as opposed to the curse that
it has been since two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Translation, I'm broke and I need beer money. Quick question,
Joe Scott Morgan, When is menopause?

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Just tell me quick? When is minopause?

Speaker 8 (33:09):
It's variable depended upon the population and specific women. You
began to think about forty to fifty that time frame generally.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
So we're really not even close. She could still have
a baby.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
That's the only news. That could be worse.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Right now, Top Mom has her hand in my pocket
and everybody else is making money off her child. By
the way, that was from her TikTok account at Casey
Anthony Underscore Substack.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
She could have another baby. It's possible.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh absolutely, I'll say a silent prayer that that doesn't happen. Okay,
Now more of top Mom and her money grab.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
As a proponent for the LGBTQ community, for legal community
women's rates, I feel that it's important that I use
this platform that was thrust upon me and now look
at as a blessing as opposed to the curse that
it has been since two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
A proponent for the LGBTQ community. What did they ask
you to be their advocate? They have enough problems with
people attacking them every day just because of who they are.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Nothing more with friends like this, who needs an enemy?
I don't think they want.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
You advocating for them, taught mom, What like you advocated
for your daughter or your mother or your father who.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
You continue to take advantage of?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
That is from a Top Mom's TikTok account at Casey
Anthony Underscore substec There's more listen.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
My goal is to continue to help give a voice
to people, to give people tools and resources that they
can utilize so they actually know where they can turn to.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Now here is the woman who is asking for your
money talking about privacy. I've never seen anything like it
since Harry and Megan and their worldwide Privacy tour.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
I will explain in great detail why it's so important
for people to protect their privacy.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
It's not just.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Important to public figures, it's even more important to private individuals.
And with the current climate in our country especially, it's
that much more important.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
The current climate.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I'm pretty sure, tot mom, the current climate has always
been anti murdering your child. That's from the official TikTok
account at Kase Anthony underscore subsect privacy. Let's see how
maintain your privacy. Possibly, don't get in a bar fight.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
You just need a listener.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah, if you even said that to me, I can
sign to you.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
No, I haven't exceived for stuff like this on your file.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Every train order.

Speaker 15 (35:57):
I didn't have an.

Speaker 16 (36:00):
Actual regrets her texting was not enough, or showing up.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
Where I was was ub enough.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
This is enough in front of witnesses.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I'll tell you I taught mom Kasey Anthony didn't file
a restraining order after that bar fight from our friends
at Channel six because nobody would believe that she was
the victim. There's more, maintain privacy. Don't get in the
bar fight again. I apologize, I said doing too.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Her friend here with several people that I filmed her
here are long here as witnesses. So I'm not trying
to file her training where I just wanted to sell and.

Speaker 16 (36:44):
I don't want to training where at most for six months.

Speaker 11 (36:47):
And it can go away well, And I'll put it
as verbal threats because he said that she.

Speaker 19 (36:57):
Keeps calming out and you can you can tell she's
along with her TikTok video, Casey Anthony announces her deal
with Substack, a subscription based service that allows writers and
podcasters to release material directly to subscribers. Subscriptions to Anthony's
Substack channel costs ten dollars a month or one hundred
dollars annually, although she offers free subscriptions with limited content.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
One hundred dollars for an annual subscription to top Mom
Casey Anthony's new TikTok.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Take a look at tot Mom's mother from our friends
at A and.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
E and to sit here and listen to her keep
making different stories as it fitsle.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Sorry, doctor Bethony, why can't Cindy breathe?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Right there?

Speaker 18 (37:51):
Cindy is having a panic attack. Her heart rate is elevated.
She's overwhelmed. She can't think because she is reminiscent about
her granddaughter's death. She's having intrusive thoughts and memories. She's
thinking about that little girl lying in a swamp. She's
being interviewed. So when people have trauma and they begin

(38:12):
to talk about the original event, it actually reactivates the trauma.
It's as if they're in it. Nancy, you've heard of
the term flashback with people who have post traumatic stress disorder.
They have flashbacks. She is in a flashback and George
knows how to comfort her. You know, this could have
torn this couple apart, but they have become more and

(38:34):
more solid over time. Unlike their daughter who's not bonded
with the granddaughter, this couple is bonded with each other
and they care and love They care for and love
each other.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I just wonder what this new return where Tot Mom rears.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Her ugly head.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Most people would run for the hills as if they
had seen a monster, but apparently they're nearly three thousand
subscribers as we go to air, but this is her
first money grab by far.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Listen.

Speaker 16 (39:02):
In her ongoing effort to get a spotlight back on
her face, Casey Anthony is pitching a reality TV show
about her life. The proposals submitted on her behalf would
provide an intimate window into the daily life of one
of the most controversial women in America. The proposal says,
in each episode, Casey will go about her day working, socializing, dating.

(39:22):
She will share her thoughts and opinions, and will give
an intimate look into her world. One Hollywood executive who
passed on the pitch says he hopes someone has the
guts to pick it up.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
He wants to watch it a reality show.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
In each episode, Top Mom goes about her day working, socializing,
and dating. To Shannon Butler joining me WFTV Channel nine.
I can only imagine what this is doing to George
and Cindy Anthony the re emergence of Top Mom. She
says she will address her parents. She just released a

(39:55):
statement threatening people if they slander her or to fame her.
I can only imagine what she's going to say about them.

Speaker 12 (40:03):
You know, we still see them from time to time.
They still live here, they still have their home, and
I think what people maybe forget about what happened to
George and Cindya. It wasn't just what happened during that,
but there were long lasting effects here. I mean, their
house was in foreclosure, They had a hard time, you know,
getting jobs. He was in a horrible, horrible car accident

(40:25):
a few years ago. A lot has happened to them,
and it is difficult even now when you see them,
you know, at the grocery store or at a restaurant,
to imagine what these folks are going through. And I
think for them, they're always bracing for the next thing.
I don't think that many people are surprised that she

(40:45):
has now re emerged. I think that was always going
to be the plan down the road. But I think
that they prepare themselves for whatever is going to come next,
because for them, it just seems to never forever.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Let me remind everyone, as Troy Slayton has done so,
Tom I'm Casey Anthony was acquitted of murder. Of course,
the jurors now say they regret that and they were wrong,
But so what.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
She was acquitted.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
But every time that you subscribe or download her gibberish
and lies, you're putting another dollar.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
In her pocket.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
You as much as that jury has been shamed and ostracized,
you're voting not guilty every time you give top mom
one red penny. Now we remember an American hero. Police officer,
Scott Fitzgerald. South Jacksonville, p d, Illinois, passed away in

(41:50):
the line of duty. Survived by wife A Danielle, children,
Colton Finley. American hero officer Scott Fitzgerald. Nancy Grace signing
off goodbye friend,
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