April 15, 2025 • 44 mins
Karmelo Anthony's bond hearing allowed him to walk free after the judge lowered his bond from $1,000,000 to $250,000. This occurred after the family hired new counsel, Mike Howard, a Dallas criminal defense attorney.
The defense used the hearing to discuss the character of the accused killer, Karmelo Anthony, highlighting his role as captain of both his high school football and track teams. Described as the oldest of three children, Anthony had never been arrested prior to the murder. His father testified that he worked at Foot Locker, as well as a second job at an H-E-B supermarket, before the stabbing.
Prosecutors questioned Andrew Anthony, father of the accused, about why Karmelo Anthony's bond should be reduced, given that the family had already raised over
$400,000 from a crowdfunding site. Anthony stated that he has no access to the donated funds and cannot afford to pay the million-dollar bond. Anthony's lawyers argued that the money is not intended for bail but should be used for his legal defense.
As the defendant walks free, we learn that the family of Austin Metcalf is dealing with threats and swatting incidents. Metcalf's mother's home was targeted with a false report claiming someone had been shot in the mouth. She was not home when police arrived.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
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Lisa Herrick - Board-certified Juvenile Attorney, Partner at Varghese Summersett, and Former Juvenile Prosecutor; Instagram & Twitter: versustexas, TikTok: lisa_herrick_attorney, Facebook and Youtube: Varghese Summersett
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Dr. John Delatorre - Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok - @drjohndelatorre
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Douglas Griffin - Senior Police Officer and President of the Houston Police Officer’s Union, Served 29 years Specializing in the Gang Task Force and Divisional Gang Unit
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Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County NEW Podcast, May projected launch date, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
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Katy Barber - Senior Digital Content Producer at My San Antonio
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Dave Mack - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The Texas track star stabber walks free, walks free after
a brutal stabbing of a football star. This as the
victim's family is attacked. The victims mother's home swatted. This
(00:28):
as we learn the killer's family is set to buy
a new house with donations. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Accused team killer Anthony Carmelo pleads with a Texas judge
for a lower bond on the basis of his age
and lack of criminal record, despite allegedly stabbing the death
a fellow student at a track meet. The judge meets
his demands.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
What okay, If we have the fact correct, the suspect
stabbed an unarmed teen boy. But yet I'm hearing that
the suspect has walked free. I am also learning that
(01:18):
it was urged in court that the suspect has no
criminal history.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
He's a juvenile. I'm listen to this.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Anthony's father was questioned about an incident involving his son
that happened at Carmelo's high school in February. The Daily
Mail refers to the incident as an altercation assault. But
as the situation was handled internally by the Frisco Independent
School District, it is unclear if Anthony was the aggressor
or mereleia witness to the incident, or even what type
of incident occurred.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the
blood in and he passed. My son watched his brother
die in his arms.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's from our friends at Fox for Dallas Fort Worth News. Okay,
let me understand this straight out to trial lawyer Lisa Herrick,
partner at Vargie Somerset and former juvenile prosecutor Lisa, thank
you for being with us when I can't get a
straight answer. That makes me think that there is subterfuge.
(02:23):
So if the suspect, who is the admitted stabber of
an unarmed team at a high school track meet.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
When the stabber's.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Camp is asked about an incident involving an assault at
the school and I can't get a straight answer, it
tells me that somebody is covering.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Because if the suspect was just a.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Witness to an assault, or a good samaritan or the
champion that's stopped the whole thing, we would have heard
that wouldn't we I mean, they're trying to get bond.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
They did get bond, So what is this prior ansident?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And does it concern you that when the suspect's father
is questioned about this, as he's urging his son's a
good character, we don't get a straight answer.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Well, what I would want to know is where any
criminal charges brought because of it? And or was Carmelo
suspended or expelled or did he have any sort of
school disciplinary action as a result of it, Because if
neither of those things are true, it does make me
believe that he probably wasn't the aggressor. Criminal charges don't
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necessarily have to be brought due to a fight at school,
but schools are very likely to have some sort of
disciplinary action because of a fight at school, especially if
it was one sided, especially for a person who was
an aggressor.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean, it disturbs me that someone is asking for
a reduced bond to walk free after stabbing an unarmed
teain dead and then not coming clean about what happened
at a prior school incident. I mean the father Carmelo
Anthony's father was questioned about the incident involving his son
at Anthony's high school. So why am I not getting
(04:16):
a straight answer, Dave Mack. That changes everything. If there
was a prior assault by Carmelo Anthony on another think
it through, Dave mac For Pete's sake, this would be
a similar transaction if it's true, because Anthony would be
attacking another high schooler. I'd like to find out if
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that victim was armed or unarmed. I'd like to find
out if Anthony was armed or unarmed, the extent of
the attack. Did it rise to an aggravated assault with
fists or feet?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Do we know anything or was that completely glossed over
in the Bond hearing. We don't have an answer, right.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
It was completely glossed o in the hearing, Nancy. The
question was what happened and the answer was nothing. It
was like a tap dance. We cannot find out any
information because it was handled by the school district, by
their own investigation, and that's the only thing we know
happened at school. They covered I didn't want to say
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covered up. They said they dealt with it and that
was the end of it. Dad didn't volunteer any information
whatsoever about his son Ian to be honest as a dad.
If my son was accused of doing something, and in
this particular case, he hadn't, I would have been screaming, absolutely,
here's what happened, and I would tell you the whole
story right then. I wouldn't just walk away like I
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needed an umbrella to get out of the sun.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Take a look at the suspect, actually not really a suspect,
because he has admitted that he stabbed Austin Metcalf unarmed
at a truck meet.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Here is Carmelo Anthony as he is leaving the courthouse.
Take a listen, Carmela, why weren't you on that store?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
How the day? That's one of our friends at Fox
for Dallas Fort Worth News to Kady Barbara joining me
my san Antonio dot com what happened at the bond hearing?
Speaker 8 (06:10):
But his attorney was asked about the knife and he
refused to answer a question about it. He said, he
just said, for unknown reasons, Carmelo brought the knife to
the school. But uh and the district attorney also acknowledged
that it was for unknown reasons. So they're not prepared
to go into that conversation. But it seems to be
(06:32):
the most pressing comment or most pressing detail about the
case right now?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Who asked who about why the knife was brought to
the track mate?
Speaker 8 (06:42):
Howard's attorney was asked by the media after the hearing
about this, and he just said it would be irresponsible
for me or them to say, uh there why he
brought the knife, and they're asking the public to with.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, So hold on, Katie Barber. Let me understand.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I asked you what happened to the bond hearing, and
you told me something that happened outside the bond hearing.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But I want to follow up on that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You're telling me that Carmelo, Anthony's lawyer was asked why
Anthony brought a knife to the track meet?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Do I have it right so far? Katie Barber?
Speaker 8 (07:22):
Yeah, he was asked why he brought the knife?
Speaker 9 (07:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I got it, Yes, I got it. I got it
the first time. So hold on right there. Lisa Herrick
veteran trial lawyer who has handle cases in JUVI juvenile justice.
So the lawyer wouldn't answer why Anthony brought a knife
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to a track meet. Here's my question. I'm sure you're
familiar with implicit.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Intent to commit a crime. Are you not yes.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
For instance, if I say, okay, Lisa Herrick, I've got
a gun, it's loaded, and now I'm going to kill
you bam. That's explicit. It's stated, and the law recognizes that.
But there is also implicit intent. For instance, if I
reach into my gym bag and take out a knife
and shove it into your heart, I don't have to say, Lisa,
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now I'm going to stab you dead. It's implicitly proven
by my actions. I don't have to announce them. This
is the problem Carmelo Anthony's lawyers are going to have.
Implicit and explicit intent are equal in the eyes of
Lady Justice. Under the law, they carry equal weight. Him
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bringing a knife and in using it to stab someone
dead is implicit intent to commit a crime. That's why
the lawyer wouldn't answer that question, Lisa Herrick.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
I think that's possibly why you wouldn't answer. I also
like to know what kind of knife it was. If
we're talking about a largely hunting knife, there's probably no
reason why he should be carrying that. Maybe there is,
and his attorneys just don't feel like disclosing that at
this point. But if fits a small pocket knife or
like a Swiss army knife. Maybe he carries that for
other reasons. Maybe he just happened to have it in
his backpack and used it for self defense. We don't
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know what kind of knife it was at this point,
or at least I don't know, and I think that
that makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think that matters, you know what.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think you're right, Lisa Herrick. I think you're absolutely right.
If it's a pen knife or a folding knife, Yeah,
a lot of guys might carry those around. You're absolutely right.
So the type of knife is going to be very important.
It's my understanding. It's a fixed blade. I don't know that.
In other words, not a knife that you fold out.
(09:47):
It's a knife with the blade attached and it's not foldable.
But we'll find out. That's a really good point, you know,
isn't it interesting at Leasta Herik, how one small fact
can change the terrain topography of the case. Because if
he shows up like a knife, for instance, out of
the Brian Coburger case, a fixed blade army knife, right,
(10:09):
a military style knife with a sheath, that's much more
menacing and much more of an implicit threat to commit
a crime, as opposed to a foldable penknife. You're absolutely right.
I want to get back to the bond hearing. I
want to find out why the known, the admitted stabber
of an unarmed boy at a track meet for Pete Sega,
(10:33):
a high school track meet, has walked free.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Just before his bond hearing, Carmelo Anthony's family retains Mike Howard,
a Dallas criminal defense attorney. The change of attorney is
announced by the Next Generation Action Network, a nonprofit that
is supporting Carmelo Anthony. Howard represents Anthony in court as
the defense seeks to have bond for Anthony lowered from
one million dollars to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Prosecutors question Andrew Anthony, the father of the accused, why
Carmelo Anthony should have his bond reduced when the family
has already raised over four hundred thousand dollars from a
crowdfunding site.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Dave Matt let me understand what was happening in the
bond hearing. There is there was a huge bond set
because this is a murder case.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's how it's being prosecuted.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
The defense wants a bond hearing, at which a lot
of questions are not answered, but it's their motion. They're
the ones that file for a lowered bond. Now we
find out at this hour the family Carmelo Anthony, the
established family, has raised nearly four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
So why do they need the bond reduced? I don't
(11:43):
get it, because if the bond is a million dollars,
what a definant puts up is ten percent. That's one
hundred thousand dollars. They've gotten nearly half a million dollars
raised by the public for the defense, not for the funeral,
not for the victims family, but for the defense. So
why Dave did they need a bond lowered if they've
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raised more than enough money to pay their own bond.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Actually, that was a question that came up during the
bond hearing and was asked if Carmelo Anthony's father Andrew.
And Andrew Anthony said he does not have access to
those funds. Is a very fine line here, Nancy, between
what is truth and what is exact words, And technically
he does not have access to those funds himself. But
(12:34):
according to what we've.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Seen, Wait, what are you saying the family is.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Give Send Goo right GSGU so it's in their name,
why don't they have access to it?
Speaker 7 (12:48):
His mother, Carmelo Anthony's mother is on that account and
she would have direct access to that money. But what
are you, Anthony is not?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Are you saying that with a straight faith? You're saying
I am.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
The dad and the son are in court saying we
can't access the nearly half a million dollars, but my.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Mom can, but she's not doing it, So lower my bond?
Are you serious?
Speaker 7 (13:10):
In the bond hearing, Barmelo Anthony's father is on the
stand and is asked about the over four hundred thousand
dollars that in this gifts End Go account and he
said with a straight face, he does not have direct
access to those funds. That's why the defense could put
him up on the stand for the bond hearing and
(13:30):
he could actually say that. It's like the Brady Bunch
exact words episode. Now Tarmelo Anthony's mother, she is on
the gifts End Go account and does have access.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
As law enforcement and paramedics arrive on scene, the rain
is falling harder. One officer moves the memorial tent over
the victim of medics trying to save his life and
finding the bloody knife in the stands, quickly takes photos
of it before the rain could wash away all the blood.
A blue tarp is used to cover the knife in
an effort to preserve the evidence, and because it was
so windy, the officer uses a nearby backpack to weigh
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down the tarp. He doesn't realize at the time the
backpack belongs to suspect Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Centennial High School's Carmelo Anthony reaches inside his bag, grabs
a knife, and stabs Austin Metcalf in the chest underneath
the memorial's high school pop up tent, and then he
runs away as Metcalf's twin brother, Hunter comes to his
brother's aid. Witnesses point out Anthony to a nearby middle
school resource officer, who chases the suspect down.
Speaker 10 (14:44):
First off, Roze for I didn't know what to do
and then saw my.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Fall go over there, you were just saying, Austin's twin
brother and his mother with our friend at the Will
Caine show over on Fox, joining me in All Star
panel making sense of the fact that a stabber killed
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an unarmed high school track star and has walked free.
I've heard from the bond hearing about how the stabber's
family needs to quote survive, how they need more money
in addition to the nearly half a million dollars they
have raised online. But Dave mac, I've heard very little
(15:35):
about what the victim's family has endured. On top of
their son being murdered with his twin brother trying to
stop the flow of blood.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
In addition to that, we now.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Know there have been attacks on the victims family and
the victim, Austin Metcalf's mother's home was swatted.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
What happened, Nancy, It's almost like a media blackout. When
it got to the victim's family at eight o'clock at night,
SWAT they did a nine to one to one phone
call giving the address of Austin Metcalf's mother and saying
somebody has been shot in the mouth. And this person
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stays on the phone for an extended period of time
until SWAT can't get out to the residence. They surround it.
They build up the whole blue shield around the home.
They're trying to get enticed with Austin's mother, Megan, and
they can't get her on the phone. Well, her phone
isn't working right now, and so she didn't have it
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with her. She wasn't even home at the time this
was going on, Nancy. But they didn't know that. Swatt,
didn't know if she had been killed. They didn't know
if there were people inside the house. They couldn't figure out.
So they're standing outside this house for over an hour
trying to figure out what's going on inside. Finally, you know,
they get to this point where Megan has made contact
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with them and they're able to move forward. They sent
a drone inside this house that has been swatted Nancy
to go through every little thing, and of course they
didn't find anybody in there, and they were able to
clear the home. This is how this family is mourning,
going through police coming and thinking they're being held against
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their will and being trashed.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, let me understand, Dave mac you're talking about Austin Metcalf,
the dead boy. His family, his mother's home was swatted.
Someone calls police, an anonymous tipster and says a victim
has been shot in the mouth inside the home.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
You have that one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know, maybe I'm projecting, but I recall when my
fiance was murdered. I couldn't even think straight. I could
barely form words. I felt like just howling like an animal.
And this is a mother, a mother whose son, a twin,
has been stabbed, dad who bled out in the rain
at a truck mate, and someone swats her home.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Douglas Griffin joining me, senior police officer, President of the
Houston Police Officers Union.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's saying a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Twenty nine years on the gang Task Force, you've seen
it all, Douglas Griffin, How is it that the victims
family has somehow become the bad guys in this scenario?
Speaker 10 (18:31):
I really don't understand it. There's so many questions to
this case that you sit there and look at it
and go, how did this happen? You have an individual
that goes to the wrong tent, not even his school,
with the To me, it's almost like he intended to
start something somewhere in there. Then on top of that,
where are all the coaches and the teachers and the staff,
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these trackmen events they are There's people everywhere, and for
this to end up the way it did, is just
a tragedy and it should never have happened. And I'm
still unfounded by the fact that he was able to
get a knife into a school facility like that, and
why would you have it in the first place. So
there's a lot of questions here that we have to answer.
(19:16):
We have to look at the way the school is
set up, the hiss were set up, and why it
was so easy for him to pull a knife from
a bag and stab a student like that.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know, you brought up a really good point, and
I haven't thought this aspect through, and that is why
Douglas Griffin I would spend so much time with my investigator,
Ernest and go over and over all the facts. I
guess I knew it, But staring me straight in the face,
he Carmelo Anthony, the stabber, the confesstabber. If he hadn't
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confessed to it. And by the way, I believe it's
been caught on video, which I'm getting to, he's not
a let. He confessed to it, all right. He walks
into the tent during a track mate carrying his bag
with a knife in it. He is very clear. I mean,
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we've all been to high school football games and track events.
It was lightly raining, so they have a tent. It's
very clear whose tent is who's there's the colors of
the school on the tent. There's all the teammates from
that school under the tent. They're all wearing their uniforms
from that school. It may even have the school's name
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on the tent. So Carmelo Anthony, the stabber walks into
the tent with a concealed knife. Why, just as you said,
why would you go into the other side's tent with
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a knife if you were not looking for trouble to
Katy Barbara joining me, content producer at my San Antonio
dot com. Was the track event still ongoing? I take
it that it was, since so many guys were still
under the tent at.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
The time of the stabbing. It was a rain delay,
so everybody had taken a beat and they were waiting
for the rain delay to be over when the fight
first began.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So simply that's a yes, the event was still ongoing.
What does that mean to me? That means to me
that there are going to be a lot of witnesses
and everybody waiting for the rain delay to end.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
We're all huddled under that tent.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
There was no way that Anthony did not know he
was going in.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
The wrong tent, no way with a knife.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I just wanted to clarify that it's not like the
track meet was over and everybody was gone and the
only one sitting under there was Austin Metcalf and that
somehow he Carmelo.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Anthony didn't know where he was going.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
No, he went into the other side's tent with a knife. Okay,
Dave mac you mentioned that Austin's mother's home was swatted
with someone saying someone had been shot in the mouth
in the home, so police swarm the place. What about
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threats on Austin's father.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
He has been getting threads since this first began, by
text messages, by phone calls, Nancy, This grieving father had
a person show up at his house banging on the
door and he had to call police. He is under
(23:01):
attack online on everywhere you can imagine. And again, the
scariest thing I can think of is somebody you don't
know showing up at your address knowing who you are,
and that happened to him. I don't even know how
you go to sleep at night knowing that people can
find you and they're going to they're verbally violent towards you,
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and you're the victim.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I just don't understand how this has gotten so best Awkwards.
Neither family is the bad guy. Carmelo Anthony's family not
the bad guy. The victim's family certainly not the bad guy.
So how has the victim's family turned into the scapegoat here?
Why is the mom's house getting swatted? Why is the
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dad getting threats? People showing up bamming on his door.
This in the last seventy two hours, they have put
their son in the ground.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
They have been to his funeral.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I can't even imagine anything worse than that. I want
you to listen to the dad, Jeff Metcalf with Fox.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Four, and his brother was holding him, trying to hold
the blood in, and he passed. My son watched his
brother die in his arms.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
The father, Jeff Metcalf, describing the moment his son Austin
was stabbed dead at a high school track. Meete that
from our friends at Fox for Dallas Fort Worth News.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Friends and family morn as they gather for seventeen year
old Austin Metcalf's funeral after the Texan teen is stabbed
to death in the bleachers at a high school track.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Meet, described as a quote true warrior. An entire community
mourning the death of a Texas high school football star,
track star as well, Austin Medcalf, just seventeen years old.
These are shots that we've obtained from the memorial. A
heartbroken community gathering to mourn the death of a teen boy,
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an outspoken Christian whose life cuts short doing a stabbing
at the high school track meet. We understand that the
facility was brimming with people. The mom, Megan Metcalf, described
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the day she found out she was having twins. She
was scared to death or life was going to change,
she said. She says it changed into such a blessing
to have her boys by her side end quote. For now,
instead of you walking beside me, I will accept you
being above me. I love you, my big baby, Dave, Matt.
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What happened at the.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Funeral, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
They did the public funeral for the community, for family
and friends, and it was an outpouring of affection, of love,
of peace. It was the most amazing things that were
said about Austin that the family was talking about how
he had impacted the lives of so many people. His
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family said that during the funeral, people that he didn't know,
adults who had children that knew Austin from school. They
came up and said, I know you don't know me,
but I need you to know your son impacted my son.
He changed my son's life for the better. That's the
type of outpouring that was there for the family, things
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that were not even aware of of how Austin had
impacted so many people through his leadership, through his passion,
not just sports, Nancy, We're talking about a young man
who was active in all aspects of life. He wasn't
just the jock, you know, he wasn't just the hunter.
He was so many things, and he seemed to just
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always put other people first. And that's what came out
at the funeral.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Joining me psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology, doctor John Delatory.
Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us. I have
learned during the night that the father of Austin Metcalf
stated that he feels forgiveness toward the killer and that
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he has actually been attacked because he felt forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He wanted to forgive. But I've learned through another source.
He says he.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Forgives Anthony Carmelo Anthony the stabber, as much for Anthony
but for himself, because he doesn't want to be consumed
with hate. But what I don't understand is why people
are attacking him for speaking about forgiveness and attacking the
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victim's family. What is happening, doctor Delatory?
Speaker 11 (28:26):
I think when it comes to these individuals that are
willing to co opt the hate that mister Metcalf is
trying to move past. Now, that's a strong man. His
son just died. That's a strong man to say, you
know what, I see that Carmelo Anthony is not a
villain in this story. I don't want to hold hate
in my heart. That's going to keep me down. My
(28:48):
son Austin wouldn't want that. But there are other individuals
who would say, no, you have to be angry, you
have to be mad, and I'm going to show you
what it means when you act mad. So they're trying
to co opt this tragedy, right, and make people understand
that the only thing to feel is hate, and mister
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Metcalf doesn't want any of that. But because he doesn't
want any of that, and these people expect him to
feel it. They're now willing to target him for not
feeling the way that they expect him to feel the
way that they want to feel.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
With the family in mourning.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And trying to fight off personal attacks on the mom,
the dad, the home, the job. We are learning and
a probative development tonight that there is video of the stabbing.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Listen, they have collective video.
Speaker 11 (29:47):
So it is a video of Anthony.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
Yes, they have collective video.
Speaker 11 (29:51):
Oh, there is a video of the actual stabbing.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
There's video.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
There are several different video that they verified that is.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
From our friends that Next Generation Action Network. Okay, straight
out to Katie Barbara joining US digital content producer my
san Antonio dot com. Katie, what can you tell me
about potential video of the stabbing.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
It's the first time that we've heard about video so
far in this case. There has been nothing in any
of the police reports, interviews from police in the initial
incident about any of this videos. This is a very
new development and it'll be a really big development in
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the case if it can actually shed some light on
the altercation itself and corroborate the details.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Of you were just hearing Dominique Alexander, spokesperson for the
Carmelo Anthony family stating upon questioning the question, is there
is video of the actual stabbing, and Alexander.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Responds, there is video.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
There are several different videos that they verified. Sounds like
to me we'll find that not in the initial police report,
but in a supplemental report, which details the investigation once
the original police report is taken.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I mean, think about it. Think about it, Lisa Herrick.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
In this day and age, with everybody watching Law and
Order and every other crime story, crime TV or TV series.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Or movie they want DNA, they.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Want a video, there may very well be video of
this stabbing event, and that is very very rare and
a homicide prosecution that may very well be state's exhibit
number one. On the other hand, as you pointed out
earlier with your observation regarding the knife, it could be
the defense exhibit number one.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
What will the video show?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And I imagine, Lisa, that there's tons of video of
moms and dads take videos of what was happening. Some
of my favorite videos I get of my twins is
when they're on the sideline standing there and I get
a great shot of them. Also, a lot of my
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son's friends are involved in sports broadcasting and they cover
the entire event. There's a possibility that, for instance, like
play on Sports or something that covers high school events,
there's a very strong possibility that there is actual broadcast
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quality for a high school anyway, video of this, This
video could be coming from any number of sources, Lisa,
You're exactly right.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
It could be you know, potentially cell phone videos from
parents or other kids, which you know, I would be
a little more concerned about those because they could just
be clipped. They may not show the entire incident from
beginning to end. But I would think if there is
the kind of broadcast video that you're talking about, if
that's just constantly rolling, that's going to be huge. It's
going to be so valuable because it's one thing to
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hear from, you know, maybe from Carmelo if he does
testify or if his story is made in testimony at
some point. It's one thing to hear his perspective, but
it's a completely different thing to see it and to
see the body language and to see who puts hands
on whom first and where other way.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Lisa Herrick, Lisa Herrick, putting hands on the stabber does
not justify a mortal wound. For instance, you don't bring
a gun to a fistfight. That's not self defense under
the law. So when Carmelo Anthony was being escorted out
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after he ran following the incident, after he threw away
the murder weapon, he said, this is self defense, right?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Is self defense? No, just because I touch you or
touch you.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
By your shoulders or put my hand on your shoulder,
you are not authorized under the law to stab me dead.
It's like you take out a fly swatter and I
shoot you dead with an oozy. That is not self
defense under the black and white letter of the law.
So these videos may support the defense, they may support
the state. Now what Carmelo Anthony said at the time,
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and the defense is stuck with this. You can't get
away from statements made by the defendant at the time.
He said he put his hands on me. I would
like to find out what, if anything, that entailed, If
it was more than just putting the hand on him,
will that rise to self defense?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Because a weapon was used versus a fistfight or a touch,
that is never self.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Defense under the law.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
One other thing, you mentioned that there would be a
problem with clips of what happened because it won't show
the whole thing. Dis agree. Even clips leading up to, during,
or after are probative.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Are probative A mom.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Or a dad doesn't have to take the video of
the whole incident for there to be a video that
is contemporaneous with the stabbing. So I think all video
clips or photos will come in and it will be
up to the lawyers to argue completion.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Yes, absolutely, I agree with you that any video or
like even you mentioned photos will be valuable. I think
they'll be probative, and I do agree that they will
most likely be admitted if this does go to trial.
I think the most valuable videos that exist would show
everything from beginning to end, just so there's nothing that's
left out, There's nothing that would be misinterpreted, so nobody
can say there's something that happened prior to the video rolling.
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We would know, we'd be able to see well.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Talking to the community about spreading false and information online,
Dominique Alexander, president and founder of the NGA N tells
those assembled that the police have videos of the stabbing
death of Austin Metcalf and that they have verified the videos.
There has been no description of what the videos may show,
or how many different videos they have, or if they
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will be released to the public. Seventeen year old football
star is brutally stabbed to death at a high school
track meet, and his accused killer has now been granted
a lower bond.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
The disinformation that is going online is hurting this case
and it has to stop. Austin Metcalf and Carmela Anthony
did not know each other.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
That from our friends at Next Generation Action Network. You
are hearing the Anthony family spokesperson speaking Dominique Alexander. But
it's my understanding that it was from the Anthony camp
originally that the stabbing was the result of bullying or
some prior incident.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Is that right, Dave Mack?
Speaker 7 (37:15):
That is exactly what has been leaked out in the
media on social media in particular, Nancy, this was a
spinning story from the very beginning because people were trying
to justify why would anyone get stabbed at a track
field and field event, and that's what they came up with.
They had no basis. In fact, it was just out
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there in the internet, you know, and people ran with it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
So let's be clear.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Katie Barber joining me from my San Antonio dot com.
There was no bullying by the victim to the defendant.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
In fact, they never even met each other.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
There's a photo online allegedly purporting to depict them together.
That's a lie, that is missing information, that's not true.
Where did all of that come from? Who said that
the victim was bullying the defendant.
Speaker 8 (38:07):
I haven't seen an exact source for it, but it
has stuff. It's proliferated on social media.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
We don't know the origin of bullying claims, but we
hear the spokesperson for the Anthony family walking that back.
There was no bullying leading up to the victim being
stabbed dead. Joining you right now. Doctor Kendall Crown's chief
medical Examiner Terran County launching a brand new podcast, Mayhem
and the More Key is an esteemed lecturer at the
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Brenette School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall crowns, while
the autopsy, the formal autopsy has not been released, we
are getting reports of the cood cause of death.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
What have you learned from my understanding?
Speaker 12 (38:50):
It's a cause of death is a stab wound of
the chest that involves the heart that of course will
cause massive bleeding out after the heart is hit by
a knife.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Is there any way his brother could have saved him,
because we know the twin brother raced over to Austin,
held him in his arms as he was dying, and
tried to stem the flow of blood.
Speaker 12 (39:14):
No, there is nothing that he could have done. With
the heart being involved by a stab wound, it's going
to bleed out quite quickly, within a matter of minutes.
Even with his brother putting pressure on the chest trying
to stop the bleeding, he's still bleeding internally. The sacks
surrounding the heart, called the pair of cardiums filling up
with blood, blood spilling into the chest cavity. His brother
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is not going to be able to be saved. Even
if he had been stabbed in the hospital, it would
have been difficult for them to have saved him.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the
blood in, and he passed. My son watched his brother.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Die in his arms from our friends at Vox four, Dallas,
Fort Worth, Neeves as Austin Metcalf's family endure a public
memorial service and burying their teen boy. Law enforcement warning
the public about disseminating false information. Doctor Kendall Crowns joining
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me Chief Medical Examiner Terran County and esteemed lecturer doctor
Kendall Crowns. How would Austin's body have been preserved in
a sense so there could be a viewing or an
open casket funeral.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
Well, the incisions made at autopsy, the boy shaped decision
on the chest is covered up by the clothing, and
that would also be wound to his chest from the
stabbing would be futured closed by the embalmers or the
funeral home and that would be covered up as well,
so that's covered up with the clothing. The brain is
removed during autopsies, so there's an incision made right behind
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the ear in the hairline, and it goes across the
top of your head to your other ear that way.
Since it's in the hairline, it's covered up when the
funeral home puts it back together, and also when the
head's laid in the pillow, the incision line is covered
up as well, so they can have an open casket
without much problems.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
As the victim's family is enduring unimaginable pain with the
brutal stab death of their son. Ellie warning the public
about misinformation for instance, a fake account online alleging the
stabbing was because of mutual combat and that Austin quotes
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Sucker punched Carmelo Anthony. We also understand claims that Metcal
smashed Anthony's phone into a bleacher.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
None of that has been proven.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
None of that also claims that the victim was high
on drugs. That's absolutely not true. To Katie Barber my
San Antonio dot com. What is the misinformation, the intentional
propaganda being spread, it's twofold.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Most prominently is we have a fake post from the
police chief of the Frisco Police Department, like you said,
saying it was mutual combat, that Austin sucker punched him.
But we're also this fake autopsy report about Austin circulating
that says that his primary cause of death was actually
a drug overdose and secondary cause of death being the
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stab wound to the chest.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
And it's not just drugs. It's not just one drug.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
They're saying it's molly laced with fentanyl, which is unfortunately,
a really big problem. We've seen in Texas a number
of students die unintentional ventanel overdose.
Speaker 10 (42:45):
So to have.
Speaker 8 (42:45):
Something like this circulated when we know that the autopsy
report hasn't been released, is not just harmful to the
case itself, but also for the family.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
M d M.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
A false reports that I was in Austin's system.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
What more do you know, Dave.
Speaker 7 (43:04):
Mac well Nanson. What we were able to infer from
the press conference with Dominique Alexander is that there were stories,
and these continue to circulate, that the two were new
one another and were at a party together and there
was an altercation at said party. Didn't happen. There was
another thing that they decided to meet up at the
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track meet to settle some score, but they were both
actually on the roster of the track and field team
for their respective schools. These are the types of things
that are being floated out there irresponsibly by a number
of people. There was actually another accusation that Austin Metcalf
was a white supremacist who was attacking, you know, at
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willfully attacking Carmelo Anthony with no basis in fact, just
put out there for all the world to see via
social media. And until we start holding people responsible for
this type of post, they're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Nancy, if you know or think you know anything about
the stabbing death of this young man, Austin Metcalf. Be
it for the state or the defense, it doesn't matter.
This is a procedure to seek the truth, regardless of
what that truth is. If you know or think you know,
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if you know a video, or if you have video
or photos, please call the tip line nine seven to
two two nine two six thousand, repeat nine seven two
two nine two six thousand. We wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The Texas track star stabber walks free, walks free after
a brutal stabbing of a football star. This as the
victim's family is attacked. The victims mother's home swatted. This
(00:28):
as we learn the killer's family is set to buy
a new house with donations. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Accused team killer Anthony Carmelo pleads with a Texas judge
for a lower bond on the basis of his age
and lack of criminal record, despite allegedly stabbing the death
a fellow student at a track meet. The judge meets
his demands.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
What okay, If we have the fact correct, the suspect
stabbed an unarmed teen boy. But yet I'm hearing that
the suspect has walked free. I am also learning that
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it was urged in court that the suspect has no
criminal history.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
He's a juvenile. I'm listen to this.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Anthony's father was questioned about an incident involving his son
that happened at Carmelo's high school in February. The Daily
Mail refers to the incident as an altercation assault. But
as the situation was handled internally by the Frisco Independent
School District, it is unclear if Anthony was the aggressor
or mereleia witness to the incident, or even what type
of incident occurred.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the
blood in and he passed. My son watched his brother
die in his arms.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's from our friends at Fox for Dallas Fort Worth News. Okay,
let me understand this straight out to trial lawyer Lisa Herrick,
partner at Vargie Somerset and former juvenile prosecutor Lisa, thank
you for being with us when I can't get a
straight answer. That makes me think that there is subterfuge.
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So if the suspect, who is the admitted stabber of
an unarmed team at a high school track meet.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
When the stabber's.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Camp is asked about an incident involving an assault at
the school and I can't get a straight answer, it
tells me that somebody is covering.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Because if the suspect was just a.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Witness to an assault, or a good samaritan or the
champion that's stopped the whole thing, we would have heard
that wouldn't we I mean, they're trying to get bond.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
They did get bond, So what is this prior ansident?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And does it concern you that when the suspect's father
is questioned about this, as he's urging his son's a
good character, we don't get a straight answer.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Well, what I would want to know is where any
criminal charges brought because of it? And or was Carmelo
suspended or expelled or did he have any sort of
school disciplinary action as a result of it, Because if
neither of those things are true, it does make me
believe that he probably wasn't the aggressor. Criminal charges don't
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necessarily have to be brought due to a fight at school,
but schools are very likely to have some sort of
disciplinary action because of a fight at school, especially if
it was one sided, especially for a person who was
an aggressor.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean, it disturbs me that someone is asking for
a reduced bond to walk free after stabbing an unarmed
teain dead and then not coming clean about what happened
at a prior school incident. I mean the father Carmelo
Anthony's father was questioned about the incident involving his son
at Anthony's high school. So why am I not getting
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a straight answer, Dave Mack. That changes everything. If there
was a prior assault by Carmelo Anthony on another think
it through, Dave mac For Pete's sake, this would be
a similar transaction if it's true, because Anthony would be
attacking another high schooler. I'd like to find out if
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that victim was armed or unarmed. I'd like to find
out if Anthony was armed or unarmed, the extent of
the attack. Did it rise to an aggravated assault with
fists or feet?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Do we know anything or was that completely glossed over
in the Bond hearing. We don't have an answer, right.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
It was completely glossed o in the hearing, Nancy. The
question was what happened and the answer was nothing. It
was like a tap dance. We cannot find out any
information because it was handled by the school district, by
their own investigation, and that's the only thing we know
happened at school. They covered I didn't want to say
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covered up. They said they dealt with it and that
was the end of it. Dad didn't volunteer any information
whatsoever about his son Ian to be honest as a dad.
If my son was accused of doing something, and in
this particular case, he hadn't, I would have been screaming, absolutely,
here's what happened, and I would tell you the whole
story right then. I wouldn't just walk away like I
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needed an umbrella to get out of the sun.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Take a look at the suspect, actually not really a suspect,
because he has admitted that he stabbed Austin Metcalf unarmed
at a truck meet.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Here is Carmelo Anthony as he is leaving the courthouse.
Take a listen, Carmela, why weren't you on that store?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
How the day? That's one of our friends at Fox
for Dallas Fort Worth News to Kady Barbara joining me
my san Antonio dot com what happened at the bond hearing?
Speaker 8 (06:10):
But his attorney was asked about the knife and he
refused to answer a question about it. He said, he
just said, for unknown reasons, Carmelo brought the knife to
the school. But uh and the district attorney also acknowledged
that it was for unknown reasons. So they're not prepared
to go into that conversation. But it seems to be
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the most pressing comment or most pressing detail about the
case right now?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Who asked who about why the knife was brought to
the track mate?
Speaker 8 (06:42):
Howard's attorney was asked by the media after the hearing
about this, and he just said it would be irresponsible
for me or them to say, uh there why he
brought the knife, and they're asking the public to with.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, So hold on, Katie Barber. Let me understand.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I asked you what happened to the bond hearing, and
you told me something that happened outside the bond hearing.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But I want to follow up on that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
You're telling me that Carmelo, Anthony's lawyer was asked why
Anthony brought a knife to the track meet?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Do I have it right so far? Katie Barber?
Speaker 8 (07:22):
Yeah, he was asked why he brought the knife?
Speaker 9 (07:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I got it, Yes, I got it. I got it
the first time. So hold on right there. Lisa Herrick
veteran trial lawyer who has handle cases in JUVI juvenile justice.
So the lawyer wouldn't answer why Anthony brought a knife
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to a track meet. Here's my question. I'm sure you're
familiar with implicit.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Intent to commit a crime. Are you not yes.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
For instance, if I say, okay, Lisa Herrick, I've got
a gun, it's loaded, and now I'm going to kill
you bam. That's explicit. It's stated, and the law recognizes that.
But there is also implicit intent. For instance, if I
reach into my gym bag and take out a knife
and shove it into your heart, I don't have to say, Lisa,
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now I'm going to stab you dead. It's implicitly proven
by my actions. I don't have to announce them. This
is the problem Carmelo Anthony's lawyers are going to have.
Implicit and explicit intent are equal in the eyes of
Lady Justice. Under the law, they carry equal weight. Him
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bringing a knife and in using it to stab someone
dead is implicit intent to commit a crime. That's why
the lawyer wouldn't answer that question, Lisa Herrick.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
I think that's possibly why you wouldn't answer. I also
like to know what kind of knife it was. If
we're talking about a largely hunting knife, there's probably no
reason why he should be carrying that. Maybe there is,
and his attorneys just don't feel like disclosing that at
this point. But if fits a small pocket knife or
like a Swiss army knife. Maybe he carries that for
other reasons. Maybe he just happened to have it in
his backpack and used it for self defense. We don't
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know what kind of knife it was at this point,
or at least I don't know, and I think that
that makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think that matters, you know what.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think you're right, Lisa Herrick. I think you're absolutely right.
If it's a pen knife or a folding knife, Yeah,
a lot of guys might carry those around. You're absolutely right.
So the type of knife is going to be very important.
It's my understanding. It's a fixed blade. I don't know that.
In other words, not a knife that you fold out.
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It's a knife with the blade attached and it's not foldable.
But we'll find out. That's a really good point, you know,
isn't it interesting at Leasta Herik, how one small fact
can change the terrain topography of the case. Because if
he shows up like a knife, for instance, out of
the Brian Coburger case, a fixed blade army knife, right,
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a military style knife with a sheath, that's much more
menacing and much more of an implicit threat to commit
a crime, as opposed to a foldable penknife. You're absolutely right.
I want to get back to the bond hearing. I
want to find out why the known, the admitted stabber
of an unarmed boy at a track meet for Pete Sega,
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a high school track meet, has walked free.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Just before his bond hearing, Carmelo Anthony's family retains Mike Howard,
a Dallas criminal defense attorney. The change of attorney is
announced by the Next Generation Action Network, a nonprofit that
is supporting Carmelo Anthony. Howard represents Anthony in court as
the defense seeks to have bond for Anthony lowered from
one million dollars to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Prosecutors question Andrew Anthony, the father of the accused, why
Carmelo Anthony should have his bond reduced when the family
has already raised over four hundred thousand dollars from a
crowdfunding site.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Dave Matt let me understand what was happening in the
bond hearing. There is there was a huge bond set
because this is a murder case.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's how it's being prosecuted.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
The defense wants a bond hearing, at which a lot
of questions are not answered, but it's their motion. They're
the ones that file for a lowered bond. Now we
find out at this hour the family Carmelo Anthony, the
established family, has raised nearly four hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
So why do they need the bond reduced? I don't
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get it, because if the bond is a million dollars,
what a definant puts up is ten percent. That's one
hundred thousand dollars. They've gotten nearly half a million dollars
raised by the public for the defense, not for the funeral,
not for the victims family, but for the defense. So
why Dave did they need a bond lowered if they've
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raised more than enough money to pay their own bond.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Actually, that was a question that came up during the
bond hearing and was asked if Carmelo Anthony's father Andrew.
And Andrew Anthony said he does not have access to
those funds. Is a very fine line here, Nancy, between
what is truth and what is exact words, And technically
he does not have access to those funds himself. But
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according to what we've.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Seen, Wait, what are you saying the family is.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Give Send Goo right GSGU so it's in their name,
why don't they have access to it?
Speaker 7 (12:48):
His mother, Carmelo Anthony's mother is on that account and
she would have direct access to that money. But what
are you, Anthony is not?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Are you saying that with a straight faith? You're saying
I am.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
The dad and the son are in court saying we
can't access the nearly half a million dollars, but my.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Mom can, but she's not doing it, So lower my bond?
Are you serious?
Speaker 7 (13:10):
In the bond hearing, Barmelo Anthony's father is on the
stand and is asked about the over four hundred thousand
dollars that in this gifts End Go account and he
said with a straight face, he does not have direct
access to those funds. That's why the defense could put
him up on the stand for the bond hearing and
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he could actually say that. It's like the Brady Bunch
exact words episode. Now Tarmelo Anthony's mother, she is on
the gifts End Go account and does have access.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
As law enforcement and paramedics arrive on scene, the rain
is falling harder. One officer moves the memorial tent over
the victim of medics trying to save his life and
finding the bloody knife in the stands, quickly takes photos
of it before the rain could wash away all the blood.
A blue tarp is used to cover the knife in
an effort to preserve the evidence, and because it was
so windy, the officer uses a nearby backpack to weigh
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down the tarp. He doesn't realize at the time the
backpack belongs to suspect Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Centennial High School's Carmelo Anthony reaches inside his bag, grabs
a knife, and stabs Austin Metcalf in the chest underneath
the memorial's high school pop up tent, and then he
runs away as Metcalf's twin brother, Hunter comes to his
brother's aid. Witnesses point out Anthony to a nearby middle
school resource officer, who chases the suspect down.
Speaker 10 (14:44):
First off, Roze for I didn't know what to do
and then saw my.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Fall go over there, you were just saying, Austin's twin
brother and his mother with our friend at the Will
Caine show over on Fox, joining me in All Star
panel making sense of the fact that a stabber killed
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an unarmed high school track star and has walked free.
I've heard from the bond hearing about how the stabber's
family needs to quote survive, how they need more money
in addition to the nearly half a million dollars they
have raised online. But Dave mac, I've heard very little
(15:35):
about what the victim's family has endured. On top of
their son being murdered with his twin brother trying to
stop the flow of blood.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
In addition to that, we now.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Know there have been attacks on the victims family and
the victim, Austin Metcalf's mother's home was swatted.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
What happened, Nancy, It's almost like a media blackout. When
it got to the victim's family at eight o'clock at night,
SWAT they did a nine to one to one phone
call giving the address of Austin Metcalf's mother and saying
somebody has been shot in the mouth. And this person
(16:18):
stays on the phone for an extended period of time
until SWAT can't get out to the residence. They surround it.
They build up the whole blue shield around the home.
They're trying to get enticed with Austin's mother, Megan, and
they can't get her on the phone. Well, her phone
isn't working right now, and so she didn't have it
(16:39):
with her. She wasn't even home at the time this
was going on, Nancy. But they didn't know that. Swatt,
didn't know if she had been killed. They didn't know
if there were people inside the house. They couldn't figure out.
So they're standing outside this house for over an hour
trying to figure out what's going on inside. Finally, you know,
they get to this point where Megan has made contact
(17:01):
with them and they're able to move forward. They sent
a drone inside this house that has been swatted Nancy
to go through every little thing, and of course they
didn't find anybody in there, and they were able to
clear the home. This is how this family is mourning,
going through police coming and thinking they're being held against
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their will and being trashed.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, let me understand, Dave mac you're talking about Austin Metcalf,
the dead boy. His family, his mother's home was swatted.
Someone calls police, an anonymous tipster and says a victim
has been shot in the mouth inside the home.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
You have that one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know, maybe I'm projecting, but I recall when my
fiance was murdered. I couldn't even think straight. I could
barely form words. I felt like just howling like an animal.
And this is a mother, a mother whose son, a twin,
has been stabbed, dad who bled out in the rain
at a truck mate, and someone swats her home.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Douglas Griffin joining me, senior police officer, President of the
Houston Police Officers Union.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's saying a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Twenty nine years on the gang Task Force, you've seen
it all, Douglas Griffin, How is it that the victims
family has somehow become the bad guys in this scenario?
Speaker 10 (18:31):
I really don't understand it. There's so many questions to
this case that you sit there and look at it
and go, how did this happen? You have an individual
that goes to the wrong tent, not even his school,
with the To me, it's almost like he intended to
start something somewhere in there. Then on top of that,
where are all the coaches and the teachers and the staff,
(18:54):
these trackmen events they are There's people everywhere, and for
this to end up the way it did, is just
a tragedy and it should never have happened. And I'm
still unfounded by the fact that he was able to
get a knife into a school facility like that, and
why would you have it in the first place. So
there's a lot of questions here that we have to answer.
(19:16):
We have to look at the way the school is
set up, the hiss were set up, and why it
was so easy for him to pull a knife from
a bag and stab a student like that.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know, you brought up a really good point, and
I haven't thought this aspect through, and that is why
Douglas Griffin I would spend so much time with my investigator,
Ernest and go over and over all the facts. I
guess I knew it, But staring me straight in the face,
he Carmelo Anthony, the stabber, the confesstabber. If he hadn't
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confessed to it. And by the way, I believe it's
been caught on video, which I'm getting to, he's not
a let. He confessed to it, all right. He walks
into the tent during a track mate carrying his bag
with a knife in it. He is very clear. I mean,
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we've all been to high school football games and track events.
It was lightly raining, so they have a tent. It's
very clear whose tent is who's there's the colors of
the school on the tent. There's all the teammates from
that school under the tent. They're all wearing their uniforms
from that school. It may even have the school's name
(20:40):
on the tent. So Carmelo Anthony, the stabber walks into
the tent with a concealed knife. Why, just as you said,
why would you go into the other side's tent with
(21:00):
a knife if you were not looking for trouble to
Katy Barbara joining me, content producer at my San Antonio
dot com. Was the track event still ongoing? I take
it that it was, since so many guys were still
under the tent at.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
The time of the stabbing. It was a rain delay,
so everybody had taken a beat and they were waiting
for the rain delay to be over when the fight
first began.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So simply that's a yes, the event was still ongoing.
What does that mean to me? That means to me
that there are going to be a lot of witnesses
and everybody waiting for the rain delay to end.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
We're all huddled under that tent.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
There was no way that Anthony did not know he
was going in.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
The wrong tent, no way with a knife.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I just wanted to clarify that it's not like the
track meet was over and everybody was gone and the
only one sitting under there was Austin Metcalf and that
somehow he Carmelo.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Anthony didn't know where he was going.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
No, he went into the other side's tent with a knife. Okay,
Dave mac you mentioned that Austin's mother's home was swatted
with someone saying someone had been shot in the mouth
in the home, so police swarm the place. What about
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threats on Austin's father.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
He has been getting threads since this first began, by
text messages, by phone calls, Nancy, This grieving father had
a person show up at his house banging on the
door and he had to call police. He is under
(23:01):
attack online on everywhere you can imagine. And again, the
scariest thing I can think of is somebody you don't
know showing up at your address knowing who you are,
and that happened to him. I don't even know how
you go to sleep at night knowing that people can
find you and they're going to they're verbally violent towards you,
(23:24):
and you're the victim.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I just don't understand how this has gotten so best Awkwards.
Neither family is the bad guy. Carmelo Anthony's family not
the bad guy. The victim's family certainly not the bad guy.
So how has the victim's family turned into the scapegoat here?
Why is the mom's house getting swatted? Why is the
(23:50):
dad getting threats? People showing up bamming on his door.
This in the last seventy two hours, they have put
their son in the ground.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
They have been to his funeral.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I can't even imagine anything worse than that. I want
you to listen to the dad, Jeff Metcalf with Fox.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Four, and his brother was holding him, trying to hold
the blood in, and he passed. My son watched his
brother die in his arms.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
The father, Jeff Metcalf, describing the moment his son Austin
was stabbed dead at a high school track. Meete that
from our friends at Fox for Dallas Fort Worth News.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Friends and family morn as they gather for seventeen year
old Austin Metcalf's funeral after the Texan teen is stabbed
to death in the bleachers at a high school track.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Meet, described as a quote true warrior. An entire community
mourning the death of a Texas high school football star,
track star as well, Austin Medcalf, just seventeen years old.
These are shots that we've obtained from the memorial. A
heartbroken community gathering to mourn the death of a teen boy,
(25:13):
an outspoken Christian whose life cuts short doing a stabbing
at the high school track meet. We understand that the
facility was brimming with people. The mom, Megan Metcalf, described
(25:33):
the day she found out she was having twins. She
was scared to death or life was going to change,
she said. She says it changed into such a blessing
to have her boys by her side end quote. For now,
instead of you walking beside me, I will accept you
being above me. I love you, my big baby, Dave, Matt.
(25:59):
What happened at the.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Funeral, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
They did the public funeral for the community, for family
and friends, and it was an outpouring of affection, of love,
of peace. It was the most amazing things that were
said about Austin that the family was talking about how
he had impacted the lives of so many people. His
(26:25):
family said that during the funeral, people that he didn't know,
adults who had children that knew Austin from school. They
came up and said, I know you don't know me,
but I need you to know your son impacted my son.
He changed my son's life for the better. That's the
type of outpouring that was there for the family, things
(26:49):
that were not even aware of of how Austin had
impacted so many people through his leadership, through his passion,
not just sports, Nancy, We're talking about a young man
who was active in all aspects of life. He wasn't
just the jock, you know, he wasn't just the hunter.
He was so many things, and he seemed to just
(27:10):
always put other people first. And that's what came out
at the funeral.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Joining me psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology, doctor John Delatory.
Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us. I have
learned during the night that the father of Austin Metcalf
stated that he feels forgiveness toward the killer and that
(27:40):
he has actually been attacked because he felt forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
He wanted to forgive. But I've learned through another source.
He says he.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Forgives Anthony Carmelo Anthony the stabber, as much for Anthony
but for himself, because he doesn't want to be consumed
with hate. But what I don't understand is why people
are attacking him for speaking about forgiveness and attacking the
(28:22):
victim's family. What is happening, doctor Delatory?
Speaker 11 (28:26):
I think when it comes to these individuals that are
willing to co opt the hate that mister Metcalf is
trying to move past. Now, that's a strong man. His
son just died. That's a strong man to say, you
know what, I see that Carmelo Anthony is not a
villain in this story. I don't want to hold hate
in my heart. That's going to keep me down. My
(28:48):
son Austin wouldn't want that. But there are other individuals
who would say, no, you have to be angry, you
have to be mad, and I'm going to show you
what it means when you act mad. So they're trying
to co opt this tragedy, right, and make people understand
that the only thing to feel is hate, and mister
(29:10):
Metcalf doesn't want any of that. But because he doesn't
want any of that, and these people expect him to
feel it. They're now willing to target him for not
feeling the way that they expect him to feel the
way that they want to feel.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
With the family in mourning.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And trying to fight off personal attacks on the mom,
the dad, the home, the job. We are learning and
a probative development tonight that there is video of the stabbing.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Listen, they have collective video.
Speaker 11 (29:47):
So it is a video of Anthony.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
Yes, they have collective video.
Speaker 11 (29:51):
Oh, there is a video of the actual stabbing.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
There's video.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
There are several different video that they verified that is.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
From our friends that Next Generation Action Network. Okay, straight
out to Katie Barbara joining US digital content producer my
san Antonio dot com. Katie, what can you tell me
about potential video of the stabbing.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
It's the first time that we've heard about video so
far in this case. There has been nothing in any
of the police reports, interviews from police in the initial
incident about any of this videos. This is a very
new development and it'll be a really big development in
(30:32):
the case if it can actually shed some light on
the altercation itself and corroborate the details.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Of you were just hearing Dominique Alexander, spokesperson for the
Carmelo Anthony family stating upon questioning the question, is there
is video of the actual stabbing, and Alexander.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Responds, there is video.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
There are several different videos that they verified. Sounds like
to me we'll find that not in the initial police report,
but in a supplemental report, which details the investigation once
the original police report is taken.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I mean, think about it. Think about it, Lisa Herrick.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
In this day and age, with everybody watching Law and
Order and every other crime story, crime TV or TV series.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Or movie they want DNA, they.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Want a video, there may very well be video of
this stabbing event, and that is very very rare and
a homicide prosecution that may very well be state's exhibit
number one. On the other hand, as you pointed out
earlier with your observation regarding the knife, it could be
the defense exhibit number one.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
What will the video show?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And I imagine, Lisa, that there's tons of video of
moms and dads take videos of what was happening. Some
of my favorite videos I get of my twins is
when they're on the sideline standing there and I get
a great shot of them. Also, a lot of my
(32:13):
son's friends are involved in sports broadcasting and they cover
the entire event. There's a possibility that, for instance, like
play on Sports or something that covers high school events,
there's a very strong possibility that there is actual broadcast
(32:34):
quality for a high school anyway, video of this, This
video could be coming from any number of sources, Lisa,
You're exactly right.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
It could be you know, potentially cell phone videos from
parents or other kids, which you know, I would be
a little more concerned about those because they could just
be clipped. They may not show the entire incident from
beginning to end. But I would think if there is
the kind of broadcast video that you're talking about, if
that's just constantly rolling, that's going to be huge. It's
going to be so valuable because it's one thing to
(33:05):
hear from, you know, maybe from Carmelo if he does
testify or if his story is made in testimony at
some point. It's one thing to hear his perspective, but
it's a completely different thing to see it and to
see the body language and to see who puts hands
on whom first and where other way.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Lisa Herrick, Lisa Herrick, putting hands on the stabber does
not justify a mortal wound. For instance, you don't bring
a gun to a fistfight. That's not self defense under
the law. So when Carmelo Anthony was being escorted out
(33:49):
after he ran following the incident, after he threw away
the murder weapon, he said, this is self defense, right?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Is self defense? No, just because I touch you or
touch you.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
By your shoulders or put my hand on your shoulder,
you are not authorized under the law to stab me dead.
It's like you take out a fly swatter and I
shoot you dead with an oozy. That is not self
defense under the black and white letter of the law.
So these videos may support the defense, they may support
the state. Now what Carmelo Anthony said at the time,
(34:26):
and the defense is stuck with this. You can't get
away from statements made by the defendant at the time.
He said he put his hands on me. I would
like to find out what, if anything, that entailed, If
it was more than just putting the hand on him,
will that rise to self defense?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Because a weapon was used versus a fistfight or a touch,
that is never self.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Defense under the law.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
One other thing, you mentioned that there would be a
problem with clips of what happened because it won't show
the whole thing. Dis agree. Even clips leading up to, during,
or after are probative.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Are probative A mom.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Or a dad doesn't have to take the video of
the whole incident for there to be a video that
is contemporaneous with the stabbing. So I think all video
clips or photos will come in and it will be
up to the lawyers to argue completion.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Yes, absolutely, I agree with you that any video or
like even you mentioned photos will be valuable. I think
they'll be probative, and I do agree that they will
most likely be admitted if this does go to trial.
I think the most valuable videos that exist would show
everything from beginning to end, just so there's nothing that's
left out, There's nothing that would be misinterpreted, so nobody
can say there's something that happened prior to the video rolling.
(35:55):
We would know, we'd be able to see well.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Talking to the community about spreading false and information online,
Dominique Alexander, president and founder of the NGA N tells
those assembled that the police have videos of the stabbing
death of Austin Metcalf and that they have verified the videos.
There has been no description of what the videos may show,
or how many different videos they have, or if they
(36:18):
will be released to the public. Seventeen year old football
star is brutally stabbed to death at a high school
track meet, and his accused killer has now been granted
a lower bond.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
The disinformation that is going online is hurting this case
and it has to stop. Austin Metcalf and Carmela Anthony
did not know each other.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
That from our friends at Next Generation Action Network. You
are hearing the Anthony family spokesperson speaking Dominique Alexander. But
it's my understanding that it was from the Anthony camp
originally that the stabbing was the result of bullying or
some prior incident.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Is that right, Dave Mack?
Speaker 7 (37:15):
That is exactly what has been leaked out in the
media on social media in particular, Nancy, this was a
spinning story from the very beginning because people were trying
to justify why would anyone get stabbed at a track
field and field event, and that's what they came up with.
They had no basis. In fact, it was just out
(37:35):
there in the internet, you know, and people ran with it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
So let's be clear.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Katie Barber joining me from my San Antonio dot com.
There was no bullying by the victim to the defendant.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
In fact, they never even met each other.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
There's a photo online allegedly purporting to depict them together.
That's a lie, that is missing information, that's not true.
Where did all of that come from? Who said that
the victim was bullying the defendant.
Speaker 8 (38:07):
I haven't seen an exact source for it, but it
has stuff. It's proliferated on social media.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
We don't know the origin of bullying claims, but we
hear the spokesperson for the Anthony family walking that back.
There was no bullying leading up to the victim being
stabbed dead. Joining you right now. Doctor Kendall Crown's chief
medical Examiner Terran County launching a brand new podcast, Mayhem
and the More Key is an esteemed lecturer at the
(38:34):
Brenette School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall crowns, while
the autopsy, the formal autopsy has not been released, we
are getting reports of the cood cause of death.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
What have you learned from my understanding?
Speaker 12 (38:50):
It's a cause of death is a stab wound of
the chest that involves the heart that of course will
cause massive bleeding out after the heart is hit by
a knife.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Is there any way his brother could have saved him,
because we know the twin brother raced over to Austin,
held him in his arms as he was dying, and
tried to stem the flow of blood.
Speaker 12 (39:14):
No, there is nothing that he could have done. With
the heart being involved by a stab wound, it's going
to bleed out quite quickly, within a matter of minutes.
Even with his brother putting pressure on the chest trying
to stop the bleeding, he's still bleeding internally. The sacks
surrounding the heart, called the pair of cardiums filling up
with blood, blood spilling into the chest cavity. His brother
(39:36):
is not going to be able to be saved. Even
if he had been stabbed in the hospital, it would
have been difficult for them to have saved him.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the
blood in, and he passed. My son watched his brother.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Die in his arms from our friends at Vox four, Dallas,
Fort Worth, Neeves as Austin Metcalf's family endure a public
memorial service and burying their teen boy. Law enforcement warning
the public about disseminating false information. Doctor Kendall Crowns joining
(40:15):
me Chief Medical Examiner Terran County and esteemed lecturer doctor
Kendall Crowns. How would Austin's body have been preserved in
a sense so there could be a viewing or an
open casket funeral.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
Well, the incisions made at autopsy, the boy shaped decision
on the chest is covered up by the clothing, and
that would also be wound to his chest from the
stabbing would be futured closed by the embalmers or the
funeral home and that would be covered up as well,
so that's covered up with the clothing. The brain is
removed during autopsies, so there's an incision made right behind
(40:55):
the ear in the hairline, and it goes across the
top of your head to your other ear that way.
Since it's in the hairline, it's covered up when the
funeral home puts it back together, and also when the
head's laid in the pillow, the incision line is covered
up as well, so they can have an open casket
without much problems.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
As the victim's family is enduring unimaginable pain with the
brutal stab death of their son. Ellie warning the public
about misinformation for instance, a fake account online alleging the
stabbing was because of mutual combat and that Austin quotes
(41:36):
Sucker punched Carmelo Anthony. We also understand claims that Metcal
smashed Anthony's phone into a bleacher.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
None of that has been proven.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
None of that also claims that the victim was high
on drugs. That's absolutely not true. To Katie Barber my
San Antonio dot com. What is the misinformation, the intentional
propaganda being spread, it's twofold.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Most prominently is we have a fake post from the
police chief of the Frisco Police Department, like you said,
saying it was mutual combat, that Austin sucker punched him.
But we're also this fake autopsy report about Austin circulating
that says that his primary cause of death was actually
a drug overdose and secondary cause of death being the
(42:30):
stab wound to the chest.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
And it's not just drugs. It's not just one drug.
Speaker 8 (42:35):
They're saying it's molly laced with fentanyl, which is unfortunately,
a really big problem. We've seen in Texas a number
of students die unintentional ventanel overdose.
Speaker 10 (42:45):
So to have.
Speaker 8 (42:45):
Something like this circulated when we know that the autopsy
report hasn't been released, is not just harmful to the
case itself, but also for the family.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
M d M.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
A false reports that I was in Austin's system.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
What more do you know, Dave.
Speaker 7 (43:04):
Mac well Nanson. What we were able to infer from
the press conference with Dominique Alexander is that there were stories,
and these continue to circulate, that the two were new
one another and were at a party together and there
was an altercation at said party. Didn't happen. There was
another thing that they decided to meet up at the
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track meet to settle some score, but they were both
actually on the roster of the track and field team
for their respective schools. These are the types of things
that are being floated out there irresponsibly by a number
of people. There was actually another accusation that Austin Metcalf
was a white supremacist who was attacking, you know, at
(43:48):
willfully attacking Carmelo Anthony with no basis in fact, just
put out there for all the world to see via
social media. And until we start holding people responsible for
this type of post, they're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Nancy, if you know or think you know anything about
the stabbing death of this young man, Austin Metcalf. Be
it for the state or the defense, it doesn't matter.
This is a procedure to seek the truth, regardless of
what that truth is. If you know or think you know,
(44:24):
if you know a video, or if you have video
or photos, please call the tip line nine seven to
two two nine two six thousand, repeat nine seven two
two nine two six thousand. We wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,
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