April 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Virginia Roberts Giuffre, an reported victim of billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, is back in the news. Giuffre, charged with breaching a family violence restraining order in Austrialia, has been in the hospital after a car crash. Giuffre said in an Instagram post that a car in she was traveling, slowed to make a turn when it was hit by speeding school bus. Giuffre, now 38, previously said that Jeffrey Epstein paid her to have sex with the Prince Andrew, Duke of York when she was 17. Andrew has denied the allegations.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Anne Bremner - Trial lawyer, Legal Analyst, Author: “Justice in the Age of Judgment”, www.annebremner.com, Twitter: @annembremner, Instagram: @Anne_Bremner
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, www.drbethanymarshall.com, New Netflix show: 'Bling Empire' (Beverly Hills)
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Featured on "The Piketon Massacre: Return to Pike County" on iHeartRadio
- Charlie Lankston - Charlie Lankston, FeMail Editor, DailyMail.com, Twitter/Instagram:@charlielanks
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh, how the plot thickens
more drama as it relates to disgraced now dead millionaire
Jeffrey Epstein, who dies behind prison walls just before he
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goes to trial on many many counts child rape, molestation,
and sex trafficking. His cohort, Jeline Maxwell, gets the same.
She's behind bars as well, but in the last days
a very disturbing bombshell in the case. Why was Jeffrey
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Epstein sex trafficking victim Virginia Geoffrey charged by cops? This
just days before she claims she was on her deathbed
after a bus crash. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. US sex trafficking victim
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Virginia Geffrey charged with breaching a family violence restraining order
just a few days before a bush crash in which
she first claimed she was fatally injured and had only
days to live. Geoffrey, formerly Virginia Roberts, now forty one,
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posted a photo on Insta on a Sunday night, allegedly
from her own hospital bed, claiming she had only four
days left to live. She said her car was hit
by a school bus that left her with kidney failure,
and that doctors told her she would be dead within
days now. A spokesperson for Geffrey then admitted about three
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days later she had quote made a mistake and did
not intend to publish the post publicly. According to medical sources,
she does not have just days to live or Now
we're learning that Geffrey was listed at a magistrates court
ten days before the crash over an alleged breach of
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a family violence restraining order her husband, her estranged husband.
Let's be clear about that. Robert Seffrey was also listed
at the same court the month before for what allegedly
quote providing inadequate storage facility for firearms. Okay, I don't
like where this is going. One has a firearm charge,
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the other has an alleged breach of a family violence order.
Good gravy. That's a recipe for disaster. How in any
way will this effect claims against Epstein, Julane Maxwell and
of course the manchild Peter pan Andrew. I clearly recall
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what the whole thing is all about. Hold onto your
hat and take a listen to this.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
She believes I do, and that no one, no president,
no Prime minister, No Prince of England is above the law.
It doesn't matter how many contacts you have, doesn't matter
who your family is, doesn't matter how much wealth do
you have. You're not above the law. And no one,
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no matter how young or vulnerable or powerless, is deprived
of the protection of the law. That is a bedrock
principle of American law, and I believe it's a bedrock
principle of the United Kingdom from which we got our law.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, he's absolutely correct. That is well known renowned lawyer
David Boyce, who is representing this woman, Virginia Jeffreys in
her lawsuit. Again, that's Prince Andrew. We America got our jurisprudence,
our body of law, our common law from Great Britain.
(04:11):
That's where we got the bedrock of our constitution. It's
easier said than done. Right, No one's above the law. Yeah,
in principle, but somehow Prince Andrew has managed to skirt
many many claims. You were just hearing Virginia Jeffrey's lawyer,
(04:32):
David boy speaking to ITV joining me an all star
panel to make some sense of what's going on, and too,
although I'm sure they're not betting people like myself and
to give me the odds. Will Prince Andrew York slash
windsor you can't even get a brit to really tell
you his last name. I've asked. Some say York, some
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say Windsor will he ever be brought to justice? What
are the odds that Queen Elizabeth's son is going to
cowtow to an American courtroom with me? High profile lawyer
out of Seattle and Bremner, author of Justice in the
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Age of Judgment, and you can find her at Ann
Bremner dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall renounced psycho analyst joining
us out of la You can find her at doctor
Bethany Marshall dot com. She's a star of a new
Netflix series, Bling Empire. Death investigator forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Professor Forensics
(05:38):
Jacksonville State University, and he is now the star of
the Piketon Massacre returned to Pike County on iHeart, but
first to a special guest joining us, Charlie Langston. She's
the editor of Female fe Nail at Dailymail dot com.
Charlie Langston First of all, let's clear this up. Is
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it Andrew York or Andrew Windsor.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Technically the royal family's name last name is Windsor, but
they don't really use a last name, so it's Prince
Andrew or the Duke of York, whichever you prefer.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So if they were to have to write a check,
he would just write Andrew like Sheer or Elvis or
what he.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Would probably write Prince Andrew, or he would write the
Duke of York. But the Royal family typically aren't cashing
or writing many checks, nor do they typically use credit cards.
They have staff who use credit cards on their behalf.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, then, who was paying the bill that night at
tramps Bar? I very much have I jumped ahead the
night he was with an under rased girl dancing and drinking,
and his defense says, I don't sweat because of a
war wound. Who paid the bill that night?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I would imagine that it was either paid in cash
or that he had someone with him who paid. But
you so, given that he says he wasn't there, I
very much doubt we're going to be able to find
a paper trail.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, put, let's cut forward to what's happening right now.
I want you to take a listen to the election victim,
in this case, Virginia Roberts, speaking to NBC.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
What happened the first time in London? I was so young.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Gilan woke me up in the morning and said, you're
going to meet a prince today. I didn't know at
that point that I was going to be trafficked to
that prince. And then that night Prince Andrew came to
her house in London and we went out to Club Tramp.
Prince Andrew got me alcohol. It was in the VIP section.
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It was I'm pretty sure it was vodka. Prince Andrew's like,
let's dance together, and I was like okay, and we
leave Club Tramp and I hop in the car with
Gilan and Jeffrey, and Gillan said, he's coming back to
the house and I want you to do for him
what you do for Epstein.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You know, let me go to Ann Bremner, high profile
trial lawyer joining me out of Seattle and longtime friend.
And you know, you claim a lot of your clients
are innocent, and you know I disagree. But let's set
our past differences aside for just one moment, and when
you're preparing for trial and you're working with the witnesses
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and you ask them to tell their story. One of
the first things I would do prepping for trial, of course,
find my witnesses, go to their home or their job
or wherever they were, and get them without me leading
them to tell me their story. And I would look
for detail. I would look for a story rich in detail.
I don't I'm a JD, not a DDS. I don't
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like pulling teeth. I don't want to say, well, what
time was it, Well, who was there? Well do you
hear her unsolicited giving detail? Like we were in the
VIP section it was alcohol, I think it was vodka.
And that morning Gilan Gillen Maxwell woke me up and said,
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you're going to meet a prince today. And that night,
leaving Tramp's Bar, she said, Andrew's coming to the house.
I want you to do for him what you do
for Epstein. The detail that she is providing is very persuasive.
Anne Bremner, Well, absolutely, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
That's why you have always been a great prosecutor that
you've been in, a wonderful advocate for victims. She's the
devils in the details. How can you make all those
things up? And she's detailed in recounting everything that's happened
with Prince Andrew, and she's been adamant about her facts
and details for a long time.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
You know that's supported too. I'm glad you mentioned that,
Anne Bremner. Very often you will see a victim or
a witness's story differ. I didn't say change, because a
lot of times it's simply embellishing. For instance, the victim
gives or the witness gives you the story, and then
(10:08):
later you may say, well, wait a minute, how did
you get there? And they add, oh, I took a cab,
or I hitched a ride, or I took a bus.
So they're adding to the story, not necessarily changing their story.
But Anne's right. I don't believe Charlie Langston joining us
from dailymail dot com. I don't believe she's ever actually
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changed her story. She may have added to it over time,
but I don't think she's ever changed it.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
No, the story has remained incredibly consistent this entire time.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Geffrey
charged by police just a few days before She says
she was on her deathbed following a bus Now, she
and her husband, Robert Jeffrey recently separated after twenty two
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years of marital bliss. They no longer lived together in
their nearly two million dollar mansion at a beachside suburb
of Ocean Reef. What does all of this mean now
that six bedroom home was where the two had lived
this as Virginia's Gufrey wrote out the scandal surrounding charges
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against Epstein and Jelaine Maxwell. The purchase of the home
was finalized before the matter was settled out of court
with an alleged twenty million dollar payout from the Duke
aka Prince Andrew. What a tangled web we weave when
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first we practiced to deceive. Now, according to her insta
and I'm going to read it to you verbatim quote,
this year has been the worst start to a new year.
But I won't bore anyone with the details, but I
think it is I think it important to note that
when a school bus driver comes at you driving one
hundred and ten km as we were slowing for a turn,
(12:15):
that no matter what your car is made of, it
might as well be a ten can Okay, that's a
whole other can of worms, speaking of cans to sort out.
But I'm more concerned with how, if at all, this
most recent turn of events with Virginia Jeffrey will affect
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Julaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew. You know, doctor Bethany Marshall.
I remember the first time I ever went with my
girlfriends to a bar, and it was first to all
go dancing. And you know, I didn't drink, didn't do drugs,
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didn't smoke nothing. And I remember I remember what I
had on because I so carefully selected it, because I
had never been somewhere to a bar where people were dancing.
And I remember I don't remember the name of the place.
I remember very few people who were there, maybe one
or two. I remember general things about it, and I
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remember thinking, you know, I've seen it, danced, I believe in,
and left. But I remember vague vaguely, pretty much what happened.
I'm trying to and if someone tried to cross examine
me on it right now, they could probably do a
really good job. But this woman is giving a pretty
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detailed statement, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
She's giving a detailed statement because this was a very
traumatic day in her life. We think of trauma as
a broaden the umbrella, meaning what's traumatic to you may
not be traumatic to me. But Nancy being sex trafficked
to a prince is a very traumatic event. And this
woman had already been sex trafficked to Jeffrey Epstein, so
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she was collecting. She was a victim of what we
call cumulative trauma. Can you imagine being a minor having
vod conserved to you, being at this big, fancy nightclub,
having one of the princes of Great Britain come and
solicit you sexually? How can you forget any detail of
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that night? And Nancy, just to go back to history
for a second, you keep saying, you know, is Prince
Andrew Prince of York? Is he a windsor A little
detail is that the royal family is actually a German gamily.
There is Germany and that did not go down so
well during World War Two, so they changed their last names.
(14:46):
So this is not the first time that a royal
has changing stories, changing details, whereas Virginia Jeffreys, her story
has not changed at all.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, I take a listen to more our friends at NBC.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Virginia says the abuse moved from the bathroom to a bedroom.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
He wasn't rude or anything about it.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
He said, you know, thank you and some kind of
soft sentiments like that, and left.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that even
royalty you were involved.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
She says. Prince Andrew abused her two more times, once
in New York in Epstein's mansion and again at his
Virgin Islands estate. Prince Andrew, of course, denies that this
ever happened.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
He denies that it ever happened, and he's going to
keep denying that it ever happened.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
But he knows the truth, and I know the truth.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, we were talking earlier. First of all, Jackie, did
you hear that? Did you hear that? H Doctor bethany
hold on, let me go to Charlie Likeson. Did you
hear that he said thank you after the underage sex,
which is rape?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well, you know, I guess the one thing that the
royal family always hangs on to is their etiquette and manners.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So, okay, did you actually just say that? Did she
say that? Because I think she did? Okay, Charlie like, so,
I'm gonna let you think for a moment about what
you just said. I take a listen to information we
learned from Filthy Rich on Netflix.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I first met Prince Andrew March tenth, two thousand and
one in London at Gilan's townhouse. He knock on the door.
He came inside Gilan's townhouse and we're sitting there having tea.
Gillen has his favorite guessing game that she does. She
goes to Prince Andrew, how well do you think Virginia is?
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And he said seventeen And she's like, oh, you're right,
and you know, they made a little joke about it.
He's like, oh, my daughters aren't far from your age.
You know. My daughter's a little bit younger than you.
We went out the night club Tramp in London and
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he dances and he's profusely sweating over me and it
was disgusting.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
And let's hear some more of Virginia Roberts. Take a
listen to our cut eight.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
It ended with sexual abuse and intercourse and then a
pat on the back. You've done a really good job, like,
you know, thank you very much, and here's two hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
You know, before you know it, I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Being lent out to politicians and too, academics and to
people that royalty and people that you just you would
never think like, how did you get into that position
of power in the first place if you're this disgusting, evil,
decrepit person on the inside.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Let's go back to Charlie Langton joining me editor with
dailymail dot com. Did you hear the part which she
said they played a sort of guessing game with Andrew
between Gillen, Maxwell, Prince and and Virginia. Jeffrey's talking about
guess her age and there was no doubt Andrew knew
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she was seventeen, according to this witness.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, and I think you know, one of the most
shocking things there is that, you know, according to Virginia,
he then said, oh, you're not too far off in
age from my daughter. And the ironic thing is that
when Prince Andrew has spoken out to deny all of
Virginia's claims, he actually said that he was with his
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daughter at a party, you know, not too far outside
of London, when Virginia says that all of this went down. So,
you know, if we are to believe what Virginia said,
it's awful to hear that not only did he know
exactly how old she was, but that he knew that
she was around the same age as his own children,
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And that is just the most horrifying thing to me.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, the fact that she followed up in the guessing
game with the detail that he went, oh, that's not
much older than my daughter's. Clearly, if she is to
be believed, he knew she was under age. And speaking
of the party, Prince Andrew claims he took his daughters
to instead of having underage sex, which is rape, it's
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called statutory rape because if you're under age, you cannot
consent to sex in that vein. Take a listen to
our cut sixteen. This is Emily Mattlis speaking to Prince Andrew.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Listen, I have no recollection of ever meeting her. I'm
almost in fact, I'm convinced that I was never in
tramps with her.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
There are a number of things that are wrong with.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
That story, one of which is is that I don't
know where the bar is in tramps. I don't drink.
I don't think I've ever bought a drink in Trump
whenever I was there.
Speaker 11 (20:06):
Do you remember dancing at Trump?
Speaker 10 (20:09):
No, that couldn't have happened.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
Because the date that's being suggested, I was at home
with the children.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, so, which is at Charlie Langston with jellymail dot com.
Was he at home with his two girls, Beatrice and
Eugenie or was he at Tramp's. I thought he said
he was at a pizza party.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yes, the story evolved to.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Wait wait Charlie, Charlie, the story evolved. It changed. That's
what evolved means it changed, That is what evolved means. Yeah,
what's his story now?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
He's not at.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Home putting Eugenie and Beatrice to bed. What's the news story?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
He said that he took his daughter to a party
at a pizza restaurant called Pizza Express in Woking, which
is in Surrey, just outside of London. However, if even
if his story is accurate, the distance between Woking and
London would actually have allowed for him to make it
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back to the city in order to go to a
nightclub later that evening. So, you know, I think many people,
both critics and Royal fans alike, have agreed that that
interview that Andrew did was a car crash. We also
have to, you know, highlight the fact that he said
he was actually unable to sweat because he you know,
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suffered from a kind of condition that he sustained while
he was fighting in the war.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Okay, wait, why wait, wait, you're absolutely right, Charlie. Take
a listen to Arkat seventeen once again. This is our
friend from the BBC Emily metlist Listen.
Speaker 11 (21:46):
She was very specific about that night.
Speaker 12 (21:48):
She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating, and
that she went on to have bars possibly a slight.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
Problem was was was was the because I.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
Have a peculiar medical condition, which is that I don't sweat,
or I didn't sweat at the time, and that was Yes,
I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered
what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in
the Falklands War when I was shot at, and I
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simply it was it was.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
It was almost impossible for me to sweat.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
And it's only because I have done a number of
things in the recent past. But I'm starting to be
able to do that again. So I'm afraid to say
that that that that there's a medical condition that says
that I didn't do it.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
So therefore, can I jump in on this one?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Okay? I was just learning, so Ken he got a
shot of adrenaline and he can know what a sweat
is that even real? Definitely, where are you said, I
want to jump jump?
Speaker 7 (22:56):
Well, what I can say is that he has drug
his daughter Beatrice and Eugenie into his own sexual predatory behaviors.
He's using them as shields or beards or whatever you
want to use. So not only has he violated Virginia
Jeffreys Roberts, but now he is using Beatrice and Eugenie
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as witnesses. And he's gaining sympathy with the British audience
by saying he was shot at in the Falcons War
and he was so frightened and he had a shot
of adrenaline that now he can't sweat. I mean, the
whole thing. Not only is it absurd, but just let
it soak in for a moment. To use your phrase
that he is using his own minor daughters in his defense.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, I'm glad you said that back. Because Charlie Lanston
joining us from dellimeil dot com, I understand that either
Beatrice or Eugenie were asked about that night. Do they
confirm the pizza party?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
They did not confirm it to the point where it
would be able to be used as evidence in Andrew's defense,
essentially that the girls don't have enough of a recollection
of that time to provide their father with any solid backup.
(24:13):
And you know, at the time they were both young girls.
I don't think if you were to ask me, I
don't think I could remember a pizza party that I
went to when I was younger. Younger were they at
the time, they would have been around early teens. I think.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Since he doesn't drive himself anywhere and he doesn't pay
for anything, wouldn't there be a record of him being
driven to this location.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
He does drive himself to places. It does happen rarely,
but he does drive himself to places. However, it is
highly unlikely that he would have gone anywhere without some
form of security.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You're right. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Geffrey and her
strange husband seem to be locked in a very very
contentious tug of war over their teens son and daughter.
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Just a couple of days before the bus crash, Giffrey
posted a photo of her children on a beach with
a desperate plea to see them quote, my beautiful babies
have no clue how much I love them and they're
being poisoned with lies. I miss them so very much.
I've been through helen back in my forty one years,
but this is incredibly hurting me, worse than anything else.
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Hurt me, abuse me, but don't take my babies. My
heart is shattered, and every day that passes, my sadness
only deepens. In a post from the hospital just a
week later, she adds, I've gone into kidney renal failure.
They've given me four days to live, transferring me to
a specialist hospital in urology. I'm ready to go, not
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until I see my babies one last time. My heart
is shattered. Every day that passes, my sadness only deepens.
Now remember Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was charged with sex trafficking
and molesting. Gioffrey accused him as well. Juline Maxwell is
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sitting behind bars over the same drama. How will this
affect any of that? Take a listen to hour cut eighteen.
This is Emily Mattlis.
Speaker 12 (26:36):
She was very specific. She described the dance that you
had together in tramp. She described meeting you. She was
a seventeen year old girl meeting a senior member of
the Royal family.
Speaker 10 (26:49):
Never happened.
Speaker 12 (26:51):
She provided a photo of the two of you together.
Your arm was around her waist. You've seen the photo,
I've seen the photon. How do you explain that?
Speaker 10 (27:01):
I can't.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Because I have no Again, I have absolutely no memory
of that photograph ever being taken.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Why I can tell you this? It would be a
cold ay in hgule l if I caught my husband
David Lynch at a party without me and his arm
around a teen girl. Ah uh in oh, but listen, listen.
He has no memory of it. But then suddenly is
(27:31):
there a light at the end of the dull Take
a listen to our cut nineteen?
Speaker 11 (27:35):
Do you recognize yourself a little?
Speaker 10 (27:37):
It is pretty difficult not to recognize yourself.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Your friend suggested that the photo is fake.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
I think it's from the investigations that we've done. You
can't prove whether or not that photograph is faked or not,
because it is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph,
So it's very difficult to be able to prove it.
But I don't remember that fedure off ever being taken.
Speaker 11 (28:06):
But it's possible that it was you with your.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
That's me, But whether that's my hand or whether that's
the position. But I don't. I have simply no recollection.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh well, I guess if he doesn't remember it, Jackie,
then it must not have happened, okay. Joscott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Star
of the Piked and Massacre on iHeartRadio. I could go
on and on, but I want to get back to Andrew.
Joe Scott. Joe Scott, you know how every rape case goes,
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not everyone, but many of them. First of all, it
didn't happen. I've never seen her. I don't remember her.
I never met her. Oh yeah, I remember her. Yes,
she was at a party. We met very briefly. Oh
it's my semen, you know what. It's all coming back
to me. We had sex, but it was consensual. Oh,
we're torn dress, and I don't know how that happened.
(29:01):
She's making the whole thing up. It's a fake. Well,
here we have a photo of his arm around her.
I think there's a drink in the other hand. I
can't remember the other hand. I'll see focused on the
hand around her waist, and I believe she's wearing a
little midgetive shirt and so it's her bear skin. How
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is he going to get out of that? Joe, Scott,
you're the friends of sex.
Speaker 13 (29:25):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know.
Speaker 13 (29:26):
You look at this thing, and you know, you think,
you know. I kept waiting for him to say photoshoped.
Of course he didn't.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
He goes, well, he doesn't know about shop.
Speaker 13 (29:35):
Of course he doesn't. Somebody takes his photos for him.
And oh one other thing, by the way, is a prince.
If a prince shows up at Chuck e cheese, I
think people are going to remember, all right, you know,
going back to this and again it's this web that
he's created over these years. And I don't necessarily know
that it's over these years. He might be a predator
(29:57):
for all I know. But you know, he said, we
we've the investigation we've conducted into the photograph. Who's he
referring to? Does he have forensic analysts on staff that
are you know, really digging into this thing, digging into
the electronic media here trying to figure out if in
fact this is him. Give me a break.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, now it is something very critical, Scott Morgan. He
never said we've proven it so fake.
Speaker 13 (30:23):
Yeah, And he knows that he would be that would
in fact be a both face one.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, okay, I think I have the answer that Andrew
is going to use to exonerate himself from this rape
charge underage sex. Take a listen to our cut twenty one.
This should just, you know, close the book on this chapter.
Speaker 12 (30:44):
So why would somebody have put in another hand? You
think it is you next to her in the photo?
Speaker 10 (30:50):
Oh, it's definitely me. That's a picture of me.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
It's not a picture of I don't believe it's a
picture of me in London because when I got to
when I go out in London, I wear the.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
Suits and the tie.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
That's what I would describe as those are my traveling
clothes if I'm going to go, if I'm going overseas,
I've got plenty of photographs of me dressed in those
sorts of that sort of kit.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
But not there, Charlie Langston, what is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Effectively, he's now trying to say that if he's ever
in London and he's going out anywhere, he will dress
smartly in a suit, and that the outfit that he's
wearing in the image is only the kind of thing
that he would wear when he travels somewhere else and
doesn't need to look quite so official.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So how does this young girl, a very pretty articulate
teen girl, find herself in bed with Prince Andrew? According
to her, well, it all started in Palm Beach. Take
a listen to our cut two. This is from the
BBC with Virginia Jeffreys.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Virginia Roberts through Epstein's Palm Beach home for the interview.
Gilynn walks me up the stairs and then there's this
naked guy laying on a massage table in the middle
of the room.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
So although there was this naked man laying on a table,
I thought, okay, well, this is just how they do it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I suppose.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
He looked up at.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Glynn, so she's like, okay, here's the lotions, here's the oils.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Put your lotions and oils on your arm.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Always keep your hand on the person you're massaging, and
start with one foot and she'll get the other foot
and then we'll work together, so you just mimic my movements.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
So anyways, that.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Thought went fleeting from my head like that was strange
because we're doing this massage now.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And there you have a teen girl around I guess fourteen,
fifteen years old, who was confronted with a naked Jeffrey
Epstein and his pimp, Gilan Maxwell, who's now awaiting her
own trial. It's always been a he say, she say,
Jeffries versus Prince Andrew, Jeffries versus Epstein, Jeffries versus Gilan Maxwell,
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until a new Bobshell is there finally a witness. Take
a listen to our cut twenty seven from our friends
at the BBC.
Speaker 12 (33:15):
Epstein's housekeeper also in a Florida court legal deposition, so
that you visited the Palm Beach residence around four times
a year, You've got a daily massage.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
Four times a year.
Speaker 12 (33:26):
That was what he said in a Florida called legal deposition. No,
I'm just wondering, when you look back now, is there
a chance that those massages might have been the services
of someone who is being sexually exploited or trafficked by Epstein?
Speaker 10 (33:43):
No?
Speaker 9 (33:45):
I don't think, I mean, I know, definitely not, definitely not.
And I definitely did not visit his Palm Beach house
three or four times a year, absolutely not.
Speaker 11 (33:58):
How many times would you save this that.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
Are in total?
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Probably four times in total throughout the time that I
knew him.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Do you truly likes to joining us from Daily Mail?
Isn't it true that Prince Andrew continued his special relationship
with Perr Jeffrey Epstein even after Epstein was charged with
sex with young girls?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes, I mean there are pictures of the two of
them walking together in Central Park, which you know. Andrew
then later said it was because he wanted to have
a face to face conversation with Epstein to tell him
that they could no longer have face to face conversations.
But even after all of these allegations were made against Epstein,
Andrew did not cut off contact with him. He continued
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to have a relationship with him.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I want to go to you and Bremner, a high
profile lawyer out of Seattle. Now you've got a housekeeper
or an employee of Epstein's. Andrew is coming to the
Palm Beach home, the mansion of Epstein four times a year.
It's not necessarily how many times he's been coming. It's
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the thing that why was he there to start with?
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Well, absolutely, and a cardinal rule, you know, Nancy of
the royal family has been never complain, never explained, and
yet Prince andrews now between a rock and a hard
place because he's been explaining and explaining, and the more
he explains it, the less it makes sense. But then
he's not cooperating where there's evidence, there's a photograph that's
(35:34):
not my hand, but that's me. You know, I've had
his house four times to all the young girls in
New York and Palm Beach were.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Quote unquote servants.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
I don't sweat, and have all these pictures of the sweating.
You know that we're posted after his what they call
a car crash interview.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
So there's a case Jeffrey Epstein, victim Virginia's Ghifrei charged
by police for apparently breaching a family violence restraining order.
Then she suffers in an alleged bus crash. How will
that affect all of the court proceedings, all of the
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investigations and the allegations against Epstein, Julane Maxwell and of
course Peter Pan. Forever Prince Andrew, we wait as justice unfolds.
Maybe the only person that knows the truth is Virginia
Geffrey Will we ever know? Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh, how the plot thickens
more drama as it relates to disgraced now dead millionaire
Jeffrey Epstein, who dies behind prison walls just before he
(00:21):
goes to trial on many many counts child rape, molestation,
and sex trafficking. His cohort, Jeline Maxwell, gets the same.
She's behind bars as well, but in the last days
a very disturbing bombshell in the case. Why was Jeffrey
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Epstein sex trafficking victim Virginia Geoffrey charged by cops? This
just days before she claims she was on her deathbed
after a bus crash. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. US sex trafficking victim
(01:03):
Virginia Geffrey charged with breaching a family violence restraining order
just a few days before a bush crash in which
she first claimed she was fatally injured and had only
days to live. Geoffrey, formerly Virginia Roberts, now forty one,
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posted a photo on Insta on a Sunday night, allegedly
from her own hospital bed, claiming she had only four
days left to live. She said her car was hit
by a school bus that left her with kidney failure,
and that doctors told her she would be dead within
days now. A spokesperson for Geffrey then admitted about three
(01:52):
days later she had quote made a mistake and did
not intend to publish the post publicly. According to medical sources,
she does not have just days to live or Now
we're learning that Geffrey was listed at a magistrates court
ten days before the crash over an alleged breach of
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a family violence restraining order her husband, her estranged husband.
Let's be clear about that. Robert Seffrey was also listed
at the same court the month before for what allegedly
quote providing inadequate storage facility for firearms. Okay, I don't
like where this is going. One has a firearm charge,
(02:40):
the other has an alleged breach of a family violence order.
Good gravy. That's a recipe for disaster. How in any
way will this effect claims against Epstein, Julane Maxwell and
of course the manchild Peter pan Andrew. I clearly recall
(03:03):
what the whole thing is all about. Hold onto your
hat and take a listen to this.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
She believes I do, and that no one, no president,
no Prime minister, No Prince of England is above the law.
It doesn't matter how many contacts you have, doesn't matter
who your family is, doesn't matter how much wealth do
you have. You're not above the law. And no one,
(03:31):
no matter how young or vulnerable or powerless, is deprived
of the protection of the law. That is a bedrock
principle of American law, and I believe it's a bedrock
principle of the United Kingdom from which we got our law.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, he's absolutely correct. That is well known renowned lawyer
David Boyce, who is representing this woman, Virginia Jeffreys in
her lawsuit. Again, that's Prince Andrew. We America got our jurisprudence,
our body of law, our common law from Great Britain.
(04:11):
That's where we got the bedrock of our constitution. It's
easier said than done. Right, No one's above the law. Yeah,
in principle, but somehow Prince Andrew has managed to skirt
many many claims. You were just hearing Virginia Jeffrey's lawyer,
(04:32):
David boy speaking to ITV joining me an all star
panel to make some sense of what's going on, and too,
although I'm sure they're not betting people like myself and
to give me the odds. Will Prince Andrew York slash
windsor you can't even get a brit to really tell
you his last name. I've asked. Some say York, some
(04:54):
say Windsor will he ever be brought to justice? What
are the odds that Queen Elizabeth's son is going to
cowtow to an American courtroom with me? High profile lawyer
out of Seattle and Bremner, author of Justice in the
(05:15):
Age of Judgment, and you can find her at Ann
Bremner dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall renounced psycho analyst joining
us out of la You can find her at doctor
Bethany Marshall dot com. She's a star of a new
Netflix series, Bling Empire. Death investigator forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Professor Forensics
(05:38):
Jacksonville State University, and he is now the star of
the Piketon Massacre returned to Pike County on iHeart, but
first to a special guest joining us, Charlie Langston. She's
the editor of Female fe Nail at Dailymail dot com.
Charlie Langston First of all, let's clear this up. Is
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it Andrew York or Andrew Windsor.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Technically the royal family's name last name is Windsor, but
they don't really use a last name, so it's Prince
Andrew or the Duke of York, whichever you prefer.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So if they were to have to write a check,
he would just write Andrew like Sheer or Elvis or
what he.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Would probably write Prince Andrew, or he would write the
Duke of York. But the Royal family typically aren't cashing
or writing many checks, nor do they typically use credit cards.
They have staff who use credit cards on their behalf.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, then, who was paying the bill that night at
tramps Bar? I very much have I jumped ahead the
night he was with an under rased girl dancing and drinking,
and his defense says, I don't sweat because of a
war wound. Who paid the bill that night?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I would imagine that it was either paid in cash
or that he had someone with him who paid. But
you so, given that he says he wasn't there, I
very much doubt we're going to be able to find
a paper trail.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, put, let's cut forward to what's happening right now.
I want you to take a listen to the election victim,
in this case, Virginia Roberts, speaking to NBC.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
What happened the first time in London? I was so young.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Gilan woke me up in the morning and said, you're
going to meet a prince today. I didn't know at
that point that I was going to be trafficked to
that prince. And then that night Prince Andrew came to
her house in London and we went out to Club Tramp.
Prince Andrew got me alcohol. It was in the VIP section.
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It was I'm pretty sure it was vodka. Prince Andrew's like,
let's dance together, and I was like okay, and we
leave Club Tramp and I hop in the car with
Gilan and Jeffrey, and Gillan said, he's coming back to
the house and I want you to do for him
what you do for Epstein.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You know, let me go to Ann Bremner, high profile
trial lawyer joining me out of Seattle and longtime friend.
And you know, you claim a lot of your clients
are innocent, and you know I disagree. But let's set
our past differences aside for just one moment, and when
you're preparing for trial and you're working with the witnesses
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and you ask them to tell their story. One of
the first things I would do prepping for trial, of course,
find my witnesses, go to their home or their job
or wherever they were, and get them without me leading
them to tell me their story. And I would look
for detail. I would look for a story rich in detail.
I don't I'm a JD, not a DDS. I don't
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like pulling teeth. I don't want to say, well, what
time was it, Well, who was there? Well do you
hear her unsolicited giving detail? Like we were in the
VIP section it was alcohol, I think it was vodka.
And that morning Gilan Gillen Maxwell woke me up and said,
(09:10):
you're going to meet a prince today. And that night,
leaving Tramp's Bar, she said, Andrew's coming to the house.
I want you to do for him what you do
for Epstein. The detail that she is providing is very persuasive.
Anne Bremner, Well, absolutely, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
That's why you have always been a great prosecutor that
you've been in, a wonderful advocate for victims. She's the
devils in the details. How can you make all those
things up? And she's detailed in recounting everything that's happened
with Prince Andrew, and she's been adamant about her facts
and details for a long time.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
You know that's supported too. I'm glad you mentioned that,
Anne Bremner. Very often you will see a victim or
a witness's story differ. I didn't say change, because a
lot of times it's simply embellishing. For instance, the victim
gives or the witness gives you the story, and then
(10:08):
later you may say, well, wait a minute, how did
you get there? And they add, oh, I took a cab,
or I hitched a ride, or I took a bus.
So they're adding to the story, not necessarily changing their story.
But Anne's right. I don't believe Charlie Langston joining us
from dailymail dot com. I don't believe she's ever actually
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changed her story. She may have added to it over time,
but I don't think she's ever changed it.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
No, the story has remained incredibly consistent this entire time.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Geffrey
charged by police just a few days before She says
she was on her deathbed following a bus Now, she
and her husband, Robert Jeffrey recently separated after twenty two
(11:06):
years of marital bliss. They no longer lived together in
their nearly two million dollar mansion at a beachside suburb
of Ocean Reef. What does all of this mean now
that six bedroom home was where the two had lived
this as Virginia's Gufrey wrote out the scandal surrounding charges
(11:29):
against Epstein and Jelaine Maxwell. The purchase of the home
was finalized before the matter was settled out of court
with an alleged twenty million dollar payout from the Duke
aka Prince Andrew. What a tangled web we weave when
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first we practiced to deceive. Now, according to her insta
and I'm going to read it to you verbatim quote,
this year has been the worst start to a new year.
But I won't bore anyone with the details, but I
think it is I think it important to note that
when a school bus driver comes at you driving one
hundred and ten km as we were slowing for a turn,
(12:15):
that no matter what your car is made of, it
might as well be a ten can Okay, that's a
whole other can of worms, speaking of cans to sort out.
But I'm more concerned with how, if at all, this
most recent turn of events with Virginia Jeffrey will affect
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Julaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew. You know, doctor Bethany Marshall.
I remember the first time I ever went with my
girlfriends to a bar, and it was first to all
go dancing. And you know, I didn't drink, didn't do drugs,
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didn't smoke nothing. And I remember I remember what I
had on because I so carefully selected it, because I
had never been somewhere to a bar where people were dancing.
And I remember I don't remember the name of the place.
I remember very few people who were there, maybe one
or two. I remember general things about it, and I
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remember thinking, you know, I've seen it, danced, I believe in,
and left. But I remember vague vaguely, pretty much what happened.
I'm trying to and if someone tried to cross examine
me on it right now, they could probably do a
really good job. But this woman is giving a pretty
(13:37):
detailed statement, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
She's giving a detailed statement because this was a very
traumatic day in her life. We think of trauma as
a broaden the umbrella, meaning what's traumatic to you may
not be traumatic to me. But Nancy being sex trafficked
to a prince is a very traumatic event. And this
woman had already been sex trafficked to Jeffrey Epstein, so
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she was collecting. She was a victim of what we
call cumulative trauma. Can you imagine being a minor having
vod conserved to you, being at this big, fancy nightclub,
having one of the princes of Great Britain come and
solicit you sexually? How can you forget any detail of
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that night? And Nancy, just to go back to history
for a second, you keep saying, you know, is Prince
Andrew Prince of York? Is he a windsor A little
detail is that the royal family is actually a German gamily.
There is Germany and that did not go down so
well during World War Two, so they changed their last names.
(14:46):
So this is not the first time that a royal
has changing stories, changing details, whereas Virginia Jeffreys, her story
has not changed at all.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, I take a listen to more our friends at NBC.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Virginia says the abuse moved from the bathroom to a bedroom.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
He wasn't rude or anything about it.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
He said, you know, thank you and some kind of
soft sentiments like that, and left.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that even
royalty you were involved.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
She says. Prince Andrew abused her two more times, once
in New York in Epstein's mansion and again at his
Virgin Islands estate. Prince Andrew, of course, denies that this
ever happened.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
He denies that it ever happened, and he's going to
keep denying that it ever happened.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
But he knows the truth, and I know the truth.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, we were talking earlier. First of all, Jackie, did
you hear that? Did you hear that? H Doctor bethany
hold on, let me go to Charlie Likeson. Did you
hear that he said thank you after the underage sex,
which is rape?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well, you know, I guess the one thing that the
royal family always hangs on to is their etiquette and manners.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So, okay, did you actually just say that? Did she
say that? Because I think she did? Okay, Charlie like, so,
I'm gonna let you think for a moment about what
you just said. I take a listen to information we
learned from Filthy Rich on Netflix.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I first met Prince Andrew March tenth, two thousand and
one in London at Gilan's townhouse. He knock on the door.
He came inside Gilan's townhouse and we're sitting there having tea.
Gillen has his favorite guessing game that she does. She
goes to Prince Andrew, how well do you think Virginia is?
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And he said seventeen And she's like, oh, you're right,
and you know, they made a little joke about it.
He's like, oh, my daughters aren't far from your age.
You know. My daughter's a little bit younger than you.
We went out the night club Tramp in London and
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he dances and he's profusely sweating over me and it
was disgusting.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
And let's hear some more of Virginia Roberts. Take a
listen to our cut eight.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
It ended with sexual abuse and intercourse and then a
pat on the back. You've done a really good job, like,
you know, thank you very much, and here's two hundred dollars.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
You know, before you know it, I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Being lent out to politicians and too, academics and to
people that royalty and people that you just you would
never think like, how did you get into that position
of power in the first place if you're this disgusting, evil,
decrepit person on the inside.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Let's go back to Charlie Langton joining me editor with
dailymail dot com. Did you hear the part which she
said they played a sort of guessing game with Andrew
between Gillen, Maxwell, Prince and and Virginia. Jeffrey's talking about
guess her age and there was no doubt Andrew knew
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she was seventeen, according to this witness.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Well, and I think you know, one of the most
shocking things there is that, you know, according to Virginia,
he then said, oh, you're not too far off in
age from my daughter. And the ironic thing is that
when Prince Andrew has spoken out to deny all of
Virginia's claims, he actually said that he was with his
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daughter at a party, you know, not too far outside
of London, when Virginia says that all of this went down. So,
you know, if we are to believe what Virginia said,
it's awful to hear that not only did he know
exactly how old she was, but that he knew that
she was around the same age as his own children,
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And that is just the most horrifying thing to me.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, the fact that she followed up in the guessing
game with the detail that he went, oh, that's not
much older than my daughter's. Clearly, if she is to
be believed, he knew she was under age. And speaking
of the party, Prince Andrew claims he took his daughters
to instead of having underage sex, which is rape, it's
(19:18):
called statutory rape because if you're under age, you cannot
consent to sex in that vein. Take a listen to
our cut sixteen. This is Emily Mattlis speaking to Prince Andrew.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Listen, I have no recollection of ever meeting her. I'm
almost in fact, I'm convinced that I was never in
tramps with her.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
There are a number of things that are wrong with.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
That story, one of which is is that I don't
know where the bar is in tramps. I don't drink.
I don't think I've ever bought a drink in Trump
whenever I was there.
Speaker 11 (20:06):
Do you remember dancing at Trump?
Speaker 10 (20:09):
No, that couldn't have happened.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
Because the date that's being suggested, I was at home
with the children.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Okay, so, which is at Charlie Langston with jellymail dot com.
Was he at home with his two girls, Beatrice and
Eugenie or was he at Tramp's. I thought he said
he was at a pizza party.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yes, the story evolved to.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Wait wait Charlie, Charlie, the story evolved. It changed. That's
what evolved means it changed, That is what evolved means. Yeah,
what's his story now?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
He's not at.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Home putting Eugenie and Beatrice to bed. What's the news story?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
He said that he took his daughter to a party
at a pizza restaurant called Pizza Express in Woking, which
is in Surrey, just outside of London. However, if even
if his story is accurate, the distance between Woking and
London would actually have allowed for him to make it
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back to the city in order to go to a
nightclub later that evening. So, you know, I think many people,
both critics and Royal fans alike, have agreed that that
interview that Andrew did was a car crash. We also
have to, you know, highlight the fact that he said
he was actually unable to sweat because he you know,
(21:32):
suffered from a kind of condition that he sustained while
he was fighting in the war.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Okay, wait, why wait, wait, you're absolutely right, Charlie. Take
a listen to Arkat seventeen once again. This is our
friend from the BBC Emily metlist Listen.
Speaker 11 (21:46):
She was very specific about that night.
Speaker 12 (21:48):
She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating, and
that she went on to have bars possibly a slight.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
Problem was was was was the because I.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
Have a peculiar medical condition, which is that I don't sweat,
or I didn't sweat at the time, and that was Yes,
I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered
what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in
the Falklands War when I was shot at, and I
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simply it was it was.
Speaker 10 (22:27):
It was almost impossible for me to sweat.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
And it's only because I have done a number of
things in the recent past. But I'm starting to be
able to do that again. So I'm afraid to say
that that that that there's a medical condition that says
that I didn't do it.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
So therefore, can I jump in on this one?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Okay? I was just learning, so Ken he got a
shot of adrenaline and he can know what a sweat
is that even real? Definitely, where are you said, I
want to jump jump?
Speaker 7 (22:56):
Well, what I can say is that he has drug
his daughter Beatrice and Eugenie into his own sexual predatory behaviors.
He's using them as shields or beards or whatever you
want to use. So not only has he violated Virginia
Jeffreys Roberts, but now he is using Beatrice and Eugenie
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as witnesses. And he's gaining sympathy with the British audience
by saying he was shot at in the Falcons War
and he was so frightened and he had a shot
of adrenaline that now he can't sweat. I mean, the
whole thing. Not only is it absurd, but just let
it soak in for a moment. To use your phrase
that he is using his own minor daughters in his defense.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, I'm glad you said that back. Because Charlie Lanston
joining us from dellimeil dot com, I understand that either
Beatrice or Eugenie were asked about that night. Do they
confirm the pizza party?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
They did not confirm it to the point where it
would be able to be used as evidence in Andrew's defense,
essentially that the girls don't have enough of a recollection
of that time to provide their father with any solid backup.
(24:13):
And you know, at the time they were both young girls.
I don't think if you were to ask me, I
don't think I could remember a pizza party that I
went to when I was younger. Younger were they at
the time, they would have been around early teens. I think.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Since he doesn't drive himself anywhere and he doesn't pay
for anything, wouldn't there be a record of him being
driven to this location.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
He does drive himself to places. It does happen rarely,
but he does drive himself to places. However, it is
highly unlikely that he would have gone anywhere without some
form of security.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You're right. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Geffrey and her
strange husband seem to be locked in a very very
contentious tug of war over their teens son and daughter.
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Just a couple of days before the bus crash, Giffrey
posted a photo of her children on a beach with
a desperate plea to see them quote, my beautiful babies
have no clue how much I love them and they're
being poisoned with lies. I miss them so very much.
I've been through helen back in my forty one years,
but this is incredibly hurting me, worse than anything else.
(25:38):
Hurt me, abuse me, but don't take my babies. My
heart is shattered, and every day that passes, my sadness
only deepens. In a post from the hospital just a
week later, she adds, I've gone into kidney renal failure.
They've given me four days to live, transferring me to
a specialist hospital in urology. I'm ready to go, not
(26:00):
until I see my babies one last time. My heart
is shattered. Every day that passes, my sadness only deepens.
Now remember Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was charged with sex trafficking
and molesting. Gioffrey accused him as well. Juline Maxwell is
(26:23):
sitting behind bars over the same drama. How will this
affect any of that? Take a listen to hour cut eighteen.
This is Emily Mattlis.
Speaker 12 (26:36):
She was very specific. She described the dance that you
had together in tramp. She described meeting you. She was
a seventeen year old girl meeting a senior member of
the Royal family.
Speaker 10 (26:49):
Never happened.
Speaker 12 (26:51):
She provided a photo of the two of you together.
Your arm was around her waist. You've seen the photo,
I've seen the photon. How do you explain that?
Speaker 10 (27:01):
I can't.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Because I have no Again, I have absolutely no memory
of that photograph ever being taken.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Why I can tell you this? It would be a
cold ay in hgule l if I caught my husband
David Lynch at a party without me and his arm
around a teen girl. Ah uh in oh, but listen, listen.
He has no memory of it. But then suddenly is
(27:31):
there a light at the end of the dull Take
a listen to our cut nineteen?
Speaker 11 (27:35):
Do you recognize yourself a little?
Speaker 10 (27:37):
It is pretty difficult not to recognize yourself.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Your friend suggested that the photo is fake.
Speaker 9 (27:45):
I think it's from the investigations that we've done. You
can't prove whether or not that photograph is faked or not,
because it is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph,
So it's very difficult to be able to prove it.
But I don't remember that fedure off ever being taken.
Speaker 11 (28:06):
But it's possible that it was you with your.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
That's me, But whether that's my hand or whether that's
the position. But I don't. I have simply no recollection.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh well, I guess if he doesn't remember it, Jackie,
then it must not have happened, okay. Joscott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Star
of the Piked and Massacre on iHeartRadio. I could go
on and on, but I want to get back to Andrew.
Joe Scott. Joe Scott, you know how every rape case goes,
(28:39):
not everyone, but many of them. First of all, it
didn't happen. I've never seen her. I don't remember her.
I never met her. Oh yeah, I remember her. Yes,
she was at a party. We met very briefly. Oh
it's my semen, you know what. It's all coming back
to me. We had sex, but it was consensual. Oh,
we're torn dress, and I don't know how that happened.
(29:01):
She's making the whole thing up. It's a fake. Well,
here we have a photo of his arm around her.
I think there's a drink in the other hand. I
can't remember the other hand. I'll see focused on the
hand around her waist, and I believe she's wearing a
little midgetive shirt and so it's her bear skin. How
(29:21):
is he going to get out of that? Joe, Scott,
you're the friends of sex.
Speaker 13 (29:25):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know.
Speaker 13 (29:26):
You look at this thing, and you know, you think,
you know. I kept waiting for him to say photoshoped.
Of course he didn't.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
He goes, well, he doesn't know about shop.
Speaker 13 (29:35):
Of course he doesn't. Somebody takes his photos for him.
And oh one other thing, by the way, is a prince.
If a prince shows up at Chuck e cheese, I
think people are going to remember, all right, you know,
going back to this and again it's this web that
he's created over these years. And I don't necessarily know
that it's over these years. He might be a predator
(29:57):
for all I know. But you know, he said, we
we've the investigation we've conducted into the photograph. Who's he
referring to? Does he have forensic analysts on staff that
are you know, really digging into this thing, digging into
the electronic media here trying to figure out if in
fact this is him. Give me a break.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, now it is something very critical, Scott Morgan. He
never said we've proven it so fake.
Speaker 13 (30:23):
Yeah, And he knows that he would be that would
in fact be a both face one.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, okay, I think I have the answer that Andrew
is going to use to exonerate himself from this rape
charge underage sex. Take a listen to our cut twenty one.
This should just, you know, close the book on this chapter.
Speaker 12 (30:44):
So why would somebody have put in another hand? You
think it is you next to her in the photo?
Speaker 10 (30:50):
Oh, it's definitely me. That's a picture of me.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
It's not a picture of I don't believe it's a
picture of me in London because when I got to
when I go out in London, I wear the.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
Suits and the tie.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
That's what I would describe as those are my traveling
clothes if I'm going to go, if I'm going overseas,
I've got plenty of photographs of me dressed in those
sorts of that sort of kit.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
But not there, Charlie Langston, what is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Effectively, he's now trying to say that if he's ever
in London and he's going out anywhere, he will dress
smartly in a suit, and that the outfit that he's
wearing in the image is only the kind of thing
that he would wear when he travels somewhere else and
doesn't need to look quite so official.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So how does this young girl, a very pretty articulate
teen girl, find herself in bed with Prince Andrew? According
to her, well, it all started in Palm Beach. Take
a listen to our cut two. This is from the
BBC with Virginia Jeffreys.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Virginia Roberts through Epstein's Palm Beach home for the interview.
Gilynn walks me up the stairs and then there's this
naked guy laying on a massage table in the middle
of the room.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
So although there was this naked man laying on a table,
I thought, okay, well, this is just how they do it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I suppose.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
He looked up at.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Glynn, so she's like, okay, here's the lotions, here's the oils.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Put your lotions and oils on your arm.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Always keep your hand on the person you're massaging, and
start with one foot and she'll get the other foot
and then we'll work together, so you just mimic my movements.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
So anyways, that.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Thought went fleeting from my head like that was strange
because we're doing this massage now.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And there you have a teen girl around I guess fourteen,
fifteen years old, who was confronted with a naked Jeffrey
Epstein and his pimp, Gilan Maxwell, who's now awaiting her
own trial. It's always been a he say, she say,
Jeffries versus Prince Andrew, Jeffries versus Epstein, Jeffries versus Gilan Maxwell,
(33:06):
until a new Bobshell is there finally a witness. Take
a listen to our cut twenty seven from our friends
at the BBC.
Speaker 12 (33:15):
Epstein's housekeeper also in a Florida court legal deposition, so
that you visited the Palm Beach residence around four times
a year, You've got a daily massage.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
Four times a year.
Speaker 12 (33:26):
That was what he said in a Florida called legal deposition. No,
I'm just wondering, when you look back now, is there
a chance that those massages might have been the services
of someone who is being sexually exploited or trafficked by Epstein?
Speaker 10 (33:43):
No?
Speaker 9 (33:45):
I don't think, I mean, I know, definitely not, definitely not.
And I definitely did not visit his Palm Beach house
three or four times a year, absolutely not.
Speaker 11 (33:58):
How many times would you save this that.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
Are in total?
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Probably four times in total throughout the time that I
knew him.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Do you truly likes to joining us from Daily Mail?
Isn't it true that Prince Andrew continued his special relationship
with Perr Jeffrey Epstein even after Epstein was charged with
sex with young girls?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes, I mean there are pictures of the two of
them walking together in Central Park, which you know. Andrew
then later said it was because he wanted to have
a face to face conversation with Epstein to tell him
that they could no longer have face to face conversations.
But even after all of these allegations were made against Epstein,
Andrew did not cut off contact with him. He continued
(34:48):
to have a relationship with him.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I want to go to you and Bremner, a high
profile lawyer out of Seattle. Now you've got a housekeeper
or an employee of Epstein's. Andrew is coming to the
Palm Beach home, the mansion of Epstein four times a year.
It's not necessarily how many times he's been coming. It's
(35:11):
the thing that why was he there to start with?
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Well, absolutely, and a cardinal rule, you know, Nancy of
the royal family has been never complain, never explained, and
yet Prince andrews now between a rock and a hard
place because he's been explaining and explaining, and the more
he explains it, the less it makes sense. But then
he's not cooperating where there's evidence, there's a photograph that's
(35:34):
not my hand, but that's me. You know, I've had
his house four times to all the young girls in
New York and Palm Beach were.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Quote unquote servants.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
I don't sweat, and have all these pictures of the sweating.
You know that we're posted after his what they call
a car crash interview.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
So there's a case Jeffrey Epstein, victim Virginia's Ghifrei charged
by police for apparently breaching a family violence restraining order.
Then she suffers in an alleged bus crash. How will
that affect all of the court proceedings, all of the
(36:12):
investigations and the allegations against Epstein, Julane Maxwell and of
course Peter Pan. Forever Prince Andrew, we wait as justice unfolds.
Maybe the only person that knows the truth is Virginia
Geffrey Will we ever know? Goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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