November 30, 2021 • 54 mins
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with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and
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And I'm telling you today you are in for quite
a treat. We have the hypno Therapist for Demilovados Alien Encounter.
Oh my goodness, Laurie McDonald is going to be joining us.
You are going to be shocked at the wealth of
material that she has encountered over the years. It's been
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so much information and today we're gonna hear a lot
about that. We are going to really dive deep and uh,
hold onto your seats because it's gonna be really good.
As usual, whenever I've had Laurie McDonald on, it has
always been a fascinating conversation, never ever disappoints. So um.
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But I also I wanted to address something today because
one of the topics that Lorie covers are people who
are considered gifted, right, and uh, for those people who
consider themselves to be psychic. I think you're going to
appreciate this conversation I'm going to approach right now. But
first remember go to my website and tell me about
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what it is that you're experiencing out of the ordinary
from shadow people to hat man aliens to angel encounters.
I want to hear about it because this is the
place where people can keep in touch and know what's
going on out there in the world. All right, let
me dive on into this conversation I want to bring up.
So imagine you're psychic or a medium or gifted, have
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special insight or an EmPATH and h you know, imagine
say somebody that's a truck driver, okay, and somebody buys
a toy truck with remote control. And you know, when
you're a truck driver, you have to get trained. I mean,
you have to go to school, you have to pass
a test, and it's a specialty. I mean, it's a profession.
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But that person that has this remote toy truck says, well, hey,
I do the same thing. Yeah, I'm a I'm a
truck driver as well, you know, but they're not. They're
they've got a toy truck. I know, people who are
truly gifted in the arena of being a psychic or
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a medium, and it can be offensive to them in
their profession when somebody else pops up saying, oh, yeah
I do the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I
totally can do readings just as good as anybody you know,
Like this is me now, I'm all about the human potential,
and I think we all have instances and moments of
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psychic abilities. Honestly. I mean, have you ever had a
dream that came true or a deja vu where things
feel really real? I think it's just part of who
we are as human beings, and I think that a
lot has been hidden from us on our knowledge. I
think that uh, you know, if we got the right
um acknowledgement, even when we as children come forward and say, hey,
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I experienced something, instead of being told go back to sleep.
You don't know what you're talking about, you know, don't
tell anybody that and don't explore it. If we were
taught otherwise, if we were allowed to explore that and
had knowledge of the ancients to say this is how
you tap better into that, um, I think that we'd
be living in a whole other world. But there are
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those people, and I've met many over the years who
have these really clear and concise abilities. And I don't
think anybody's a hundred percent, just like I don't think
there's anybody that has a perfect uh driving record, uh,
whether they're caught or not. But everybody kind of drifts
over the line sometimes or is distracted at some point.
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So you know, nobody's perfect there anything that they do.
But I've met some that are like, you know, I'm
trying to let the world know that these abilities exist,
and some of us are really really clear about it.
And now, is that person a fluke to be so clear?
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I don't think so. Again, I think it's untapped abilities
that we have. You know, whether a person got hit
on the head um or they got ill or near
deathics experience it seems to trigger these abilities even more so.
It's like a crossing over to the other side, wakes up,
energizes a certain part of their brain and whoop. You know,
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they they've got these abilities more increased, right, And but
the whole profession gets muddied when you have somebody who
steps into the arena and says they're really good at something,
and I don't know the motivations to it. I don't
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know if they want to um make a living doing this.
I don't know if they want to UM. They don't
make it feel like there's something special about them than
the next. But when they muddy the waters and they
are proposing to know something so precise because this is
you know who they are and what they do, and
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they know better that they don't. It causes problems out there.
I never thought about that. I never thought about that's
like and yeah, I have come across peoples like, oh,
I'm psychic, let me tell you your future. You've got this,
this and that, and they're totally wrong, and I just go,
oh yeah. You know, um, especially when you're in this
line of work, you get a lot of people who
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try to tell you something about yourself and um, you know,
I politely just smile and not oh really okay, but
it's I don't put a whole lot of weight into it. Um.
I have come across some extraordinarily talented people though. UM,
so I'm not going to say that I haven't run
into those people. But imagine the harm that could be
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done out there. If you're saying, yeah, I'm really good,
pay me some money and I'm going to tell you
what your past love. One is saying, um, wow, that
causes harm. That's called a Charlottean. That's called horrible. That's trickery,
that's not cool. Um. But again, there's people like myself
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I've seen ghosts. I don't try to talk to them,
you know. Um. In fact, I told the ghosts, look,
I'm not the one. I'm not gonna gonna be transmitting
any kind of information about anything that you've experienced. I
don't care why you're here, Just please go. You know,
just that type of thing. UM, just put the notion
I wasn't trying to have a conversation. Um, but you know,
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I just I never thought of that. But I have
had the scenario in the situation UM a lot, because
speaking at conferences and whatnot, and uh, people say, oh,
come here, I've seen something about you. Do you would
you believe like the most sporadic moments when somebody comes
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up to me saying that type of thing is when
they've been more spot on. I don't know what that is,
but that those have been like really really shocking instances
for me. Um, this is so crazy, alright, So I'm
gonna tell you guys something. This is. This is just
like wild to me because it's so happened to me.
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And this is one of those sporadic situations like, um,
so this this uh, this guy came up to me,
shook my hand, he goes Hi, nice to meet you.
I'm and then he goes and he looks down and
he just like points to a spot on my leg
and he's like, did you get the tattoo you're going
to get? I'm like what? And then soon behind him
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comes my friend and I'm frozen because my friend, Hey, Heidi,
Oh this is my new boyfriend. I didn't get to
introduce you. Oh hold on, did he do something weird?
I'm like, huh what He's like, he's a psychic. I'm sorry,
did he do something weird? I see the look on
your face. I'm like, yeah, Like, I was totally thinking
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about getting a tattoo of a cross on my leg,
exactly in the spot that this guy pointing to. Now,
I do not have any tattoos. I did not get it,
but that's exactly where I was thinking of putting it.
And to have somebody just spontaneously do that blew my mind.
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So yeah, I know their psychics out there. I know
there are good psychics out there, mediums, remote viewers and
all of that. Intuitives, impass um. What I'm saying is,
you know, much like, uh, you know somebody that says
they have the talent and if somebody's coming to you,
please help, Please be true and blue to it, because
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how are we going to convince others that we have
these abilities, that we have these capabilities to do things
if we have people muddying the waters out there, just
just off the seat of their pants saying, yes, I'm psychic,
come to me, pay some money. I'm gonna tell you something.
I had never thought of that, but yeah, damnage is
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being done. So they cabot that. If you're one of
those folks, or if you know somebody like that who
is just you know, willy nilly out there doing that,
let's try to let's try to help ourselves in realizing
the true full human potential that we all have. And
I know we have it. I know I've had those
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sporadic deja vous that were totally telling that this. I've
been here before. Ah, this is familiar. I even get
like the little forward slash of the deja vu, Like
when I have one, I know what's going to happen
immediately next. It is so wild, and I like to
pause and take it all in, like, oh, this is
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really kind of fabulous, you know, like what is this
thing that I'm experiencing right now it has totally happened
to me. So, um, but when I charge somebody to
say come to me, I know all deja vu on
you and til what's gonna happen in the next several seconds. No,
because that would be wrong. That would be wrong. So
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let's clean it up out there. Let's tell the world
about our human potential and let's allow the ones who
really do have that ability, who could really help people heal.
It's healing to be able to talk to somebody from
the other side sometimes it's healing. And just think about
the possibilities that somebody could have something like that because
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they are out there and we allow them to shine
and not take over their profession. I think we'll get really,
really far and letting our minds know we have this ability.
So that's my two cents worth on that. Um. So
you guys, we're gonna have a wonderful guest come up
here next. I have Laurie McDonald. You are in for
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a treat and you are listening to Dark Becomes Light
with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and
Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. Let's stick around
well to be wrap back Hey, the Coast to Coast
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channel to Coast to Coast AM dot com for more information.
Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
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me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Now my guest Laurie McDonald.
She is a board certified clinical hypnotherapist at True You
Hypnotherapy and an extra terrestrial abduction researcher. She is one
of twenty seven regression therapists listed on the mouf On
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Mental Health Referral lists for abduction regression for North America.
She is the board president for OPUS Organization for Paranormal
Understanding and Support and it's the founder of the Sacramento
Alien Abduction and Contact the Support group when the California's
largest UFO and abduction groups. So I'd like to welcome
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Lorie McDonald to the show. How are you doing there, Laurie.
I am doing great. It is great to have you
on this program. I've interviewed you in the past on
my other programs, and uh, first time for this one.
And wow, it's been a while, I'm I know, and
I've been trying to keep up with everything that you're
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up to these days, and it's a lot so but
to break it down for people to first get to
know you, UH, tell us a bit about your background
and what it is that you've been involved in. Well,
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist here in Sacramento, and some of
the specialty work that I do is in regards to
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the abduction f AMNA and the contact and how it
leads to a consciousness expansion. But my focus right now
seems to be on the spiritual awakening that many of
the experiencers have and are going through. So that's been
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taking up an enormous amount of time. I'm working ridiculous hours,
but all of the cases are so incredibly fascinating. Now
I've been filming some documentaries. UH did a wonderful show
with a Peacock TV where I regressed Demi Levado as
she too is an experiencer and her experience also leads
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to a broader awareness and it was very positive. So
Demi Levado, that's that's a big deal. That's that's amazing. Yeah,
she came to a support group meeting and then I
hooked her up to an e G and we did
a regression session on camera. And she was able to
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identify some of the entities that had approached her, and
she's on her own journey. In fact, I believe they
turned what was going to be one episode into a
uh four part mini series with her on the road.
And yeah, so the phenomena of Awakening is definitely hand
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in hand with the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena or UFOs. I mean,
I know that there's a distinct difference and people are
changing their verbiage. But anyway, been doing a lot of
that and really enjoy being involved in some of the documentaries.
I I just did another documentary and we were on
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location in San Francisco. Now upcoming event for Japanese TV. Wow,
that's amazing, But I'm I'm blown away, but I'm not
surprised because you have been doing this for quite some time,
and you know what, what actually inspired you to go
this route? You know. Interestingly, when I was in the
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ninth grade, UM, I was not doing as well on
the tasks as I was capable of. And I told
my science teacher, not sleeping at all, I'm fretting about
these tasks, right, And he said, well, why don't you
just put all of that and all of those thoughts
into like a brown paper bag and sit them on nightstand,
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and then you can go to sleep, and if you
want to have a look at those thoughts, they'll be
there for you in the morning. And that advice stuck
with me, And of course, by that age, I was
already an experiencer and found myself going to school to
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become a psychologist. But after going to see a hypnotherapist,
I realized that this, definitely, it was far far more
effective and profound in the ability that it gives a
person to program or create the neuropathway that they desire,
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as opposed to their daily activities being driven by the
subconscious mind programs that they're perceiving billions of bits of
information that the mind is processing outside of their awareness.
Oh my goodness, it's uh, it is complicated. There's many, many,
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many layers when it comes to the phenomena that looks
like it's just one thing, it's a craft and and beings,
and it's like no, it connects to the soul. It
connects to the good, the bad, the ugly, and the profound.
So how do you help somebody work through that? Well,
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I think the first thing that it does is it
challenges your reality. If your reality or your consciousness had
never accepted the existence of non human entities or parallel
universes or spiritual existence or UFOs, then seeing or experiencing
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something like that is really very challenging, and perhaps you
want to reject it, and perhaps you don't want to
even believe that it was real. You might want to say, no,
it was just a dream, was just a dream. And
once we can get back to whether it's real or
not real, true or faults, then we can begin to
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create the consciousness space for them to process what's happened
and what that means to them, not only to them,
but their place in the world and ultimately they're place
in the universe. We are floating in space right now,
we're already part of this universe, and to expand the
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mind into encompassing a much larger realm should be natural.
But we've been programmed in a way that has created
a very small, externalized reality, a reality that consists of
earning an income, making a lot of money, having a
nice hives, and and not ever really being able to
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tap into that potential that we sense, not being able
to connect the mind body and take those steps towards
self mastery, beginning to understand that the soul is multidimensional
and that we are far more powerful than we ever believed.
I always say, never doubt of the human potential, because wow,
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the places that we can go are mind blowing. And
you know, I hope you don't find if if I ask,
how unearthed did Demilovado take? What it is that she revealed?
I mean, I'm talking to the hypnotherapist that regressed her.
I have to ask, Laurie, so do tell? Well, Yeah,
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she did really good, I mean she was Her experience
happened interestingly enough in Joshua Tree, out in the desert,
where many experiences happen and where some of the bigger
UFO conferences also happened. So they had seen a craft
I believe a blue light to begin with. And then
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later as she was going to bed, there were some
non human entities in the room and they were permissive
in their languaging, requesting her basically compliance or permission, making
sure that she was okay to go, and asking did
she want to understand or see more? And she did,
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and without fear, she was able to move into another
and higher space. Wonderful. What beings. Which types did she see?
She described them as being tall, thin, and it was
difficult for her to get a full physical description. Of course,
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if anybody who's interested, that episode has aired in September
on Peacock and I believe peacock is a free app
and you can watch the live regression as we had
her hooked up to an e G and you can
see the brain waves as they moved down into the
subconscious and display the alpha delta and sometimes even hitting
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the delta brainway, the data brainway. Sorry, so very very cool. Um.
I find it very interesting and isn't it a sign
of the times when people in celebrities can come forward
and speak their truth in a place that is no
longer ridiculed. But the truth is Heidi. I think that
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when the Pentagon came forward and said that, you know,
we've got these TikTok videos and our naval airplanes are
chasing what can only be UFOs, are now this unidentified
a real phenomenon. I think that that said they exist,
and by doing so, it's alleviated the burden of proof
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for the experience, or they don't have to prove it
because the government already said they're there. So I think
this makes it a little easier for people to come
forward and say, yeah, well, actually this is what happened
to me, or this is what my family and I experienced. No,
I totally agree with that, because there has been a
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different wave, a different vibe and a wink like, hey,
it's all good, we can we could do this, we
could go there now. And it's like I was absolutely
applauding when somebody like Demo Demi came forward. I mean,
just wow, you know this, this is exactly where it
needs to go. We need to get uh common everyday people,
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big stars at all in the mix to uh, you know,
just say hey, this is my truth, this is what's happening,
and bring it to a level where we can talk
about the weather in the next sentence even you know, right,
and just you know, letting people see that some of
these experiences and really all of them, if we begin
to uh focus on really opening or resonating with a
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higher consciousness, as we begin to resonate into that, than
what we attract, what we draw towards us is in
that same light. And this really lets people feel safer
and more secure. There are protocols now and deflect ding
lower energy or asked through a plane lower energy, or
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even demons for extraternal races that are self serving. Oh,
we are so got to dive into that. We gotta
get to our first break here with Laurie McDonald. You guys,
you are listening too dark becomes like with me Heidi
Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
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You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi
Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I have Laurie McDonald and
we were speaking about some of these elements that I
have some It's something that I talk about often here
on the program about there being a conflict in alien contact,
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that it's not always rosy, it's not always positive, and
but I find there's some people who really don't like
to go there to talk about the more negative experiences
any longer. Like that was the thing before, you know,
way back in the day, Like people were honest and forthcoming,
and then all of a sudden, the tone changed. And
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I remember sitting in these groups and talking to these
people because I ran a group for like fifteen years,
and uh watch the conversation turned to, oh, it's not
so bad, and uh yeah they abused me, Yeah they
caused harm, but I'm special and that's why I had
to have that lesson. And I was absolutely blown away
with people who wanted to sleep with a gun under
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their bed and some did to that. So how do
you explain that to people? And I love the fact
that you go there and you address this head on,
So how how do you explain some of this? Well,
first off, the abduction phenomena is changing, and part of
that is because the human is becoming more empowered word
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and more capable of resonating into those higher frequencies, and
the fear level is diminishing. So earlier in the seventies,
late seventies, eighties, and into the nineties, we certainly heard
a lot about to the grays, the hybridization program, the
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harvesting of genetics, at people being shown hybrid children and
people were terrified. I've also had clients with guns in
their house and under their bed because they'd seen extraterrestrials
first seeming to peep in the window and seeing him
in the room. Then they're moved into that state of
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paralysis where only the eyes are moving, but they have
conscious awareness, and they can feel themselves being lifted, floated
through what should be physical now no laws of physics supply,
and they moved through a wall or a window. You
can only imagine how frightening that is because you have
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no control. Now, Is anything bad happening while they're being
taken against their will? Are they being harmed? Not necessarily,
not physically anyway. Certainly there has been an emotional scar
to left, but that entity is now um trying to
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create you all use that that delta bring wave transmitter
to create a sense of compliance and diminish any fear
that a person might be having, reassuring them that everything's okay.
I think we've blown the lid off. I'm so special
that that's clearly a manipulation and people were being tricked.
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And how ridiculous to think that one person's DNA is
going to service and repair a full race of beings exactly,
you know, come on, most of them were the short
ones are primarily AI anyway, they're mostly programmed. They can
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only you know, perform certain functions. So yeah, but it's changing,
as you know. And although some people are still scared,
and I still see experiences that are um, people's grandparents,
you know, they're older now, but things have happened, and
before they leave this earth, they want to know what
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they experienced to begin to settle that energy. So the
grace they're not as intimidating as they think they are.
The more we begin to master our mind and our energy,
the more we're able to shut them down. I love that. Yeah,
self empowerment and um, you know, having that thought of
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no doubt that you can indeed do something about your situation.
I I really kind of group us may at other
people's disdain for the whole thing, like, well, can't do
anything about it. You know, they're just gonna keep doing
this and making me a victim. And I'm like, you know, there,
there's there's something about why they keep coming. I didn't
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buy into that whole Uh, this person is special versus
the next one either, But um, it seems to help
people sleep better at night. And I wasn't one to
knock people down for that belief because I saw the trauma.
I saw the the families getting broken up and the
despair of the PTSD. The yeah, there's a mechanism. Yeah.
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And so now we're saying posts abduction stress disorder because
it's sort of covers a very distinct and set of
symptoms that experiencers feel. And so Rose Heartbrow, she was
a psychiatric nurse. I believe she's coined the phrase um
post abduction stress disorder, and we now we treat that
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specifically for people who had suffered. So, yeah, they were
told they were special, um, and that they were going
to be able to help and that it was a
manipulation when in fact, um, I've I do believe that
they were trying to create a hybred so that they
could hijack the human soul. As grays only live to
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be about nine to a vendred years until they become
AI programmed, and that's about a little bit of sentient
being left in them. But the tall grays um lived
to be nine eleven years old. But if they were
to create a hybred that a vessel that could hold
the soul, then they could hijack the ascension. Very interesting
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and you spoke of that hijacking and also demonic type
of elementals out there. How do you how do you
tell the difference between what's going on, because I've heard
of some people reporting demonic entities and describing a gray
alien being. Yeah, I mean, demons have been confused with
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grays for a long time and nuts because they share
something in common, which is self serving behavior. The just
differences is emotion. A demon has zero emotional control and
they're like a highly intelligent, spoiled child. They're easily provoked
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and they have no emotional control whatsoever, whereas an extraterrestrial
just basically has no emotions. As we're specifically talking about
the grades, so their emotion or at least some of
the emotion that a gray would display would be um.
Minimal emotion would be like annoyance. But when we're not flying,
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they're like the tall braids are like, oh, you know,
they have to like they had somebody had to call
in the manager, you know, And so that's about the
most emotion you're going to get out of them. But
but a demon, they always pretend. They pretend to be people,
they pretend to be little girls, they pretend to be extraterrestrials.
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But when questioned with the appropriate line of questioning, they
crack and they get angry and they lose control. And
that's how you know who you're dealing with. They have
a tell huh, they have a tel, and they where
their means there, you know, and they try to provoke fear.
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So the more person can practice equanimity, being calm, balanced,
well grounded, and no matter what chaos is going around,
the more you're able to maneuver through any situation. Yeah,
I'm curious. Have you ever come across, uh, some of
(36:05):
these folks claiming to be quote unquote super soldiers are
part of the Secret Space Force. Yes, oh oh, hold on, now,
what was that? What was that? Lorie it was yes
I have, but I can't go into detail at this time. Um,
(36:31):
that's yeah, I can't at this time. One of the
reasons is uh to do with the super Soldier program
and how any human can be superhuman. So it's not
a big adjustment really, it's the women are like this.
(36:52):
It's hormonal. It's actually adrenaline. As we begin to focus
and balance and control our adrenaline, we can we can
exhibit two forms of super strength. One physically lifting huge
amounts of weights, jumping for our distances, running for long steeds, incredible,
(37:15):
just adrenaline. Farmers have done it when they've had you know,
cattle or other people trapped or hurt, and they've done
amazing things. All kinds of people have done it. It's
not news. But secondarily, when a person now is pushed
to that limit and without thought, they must react. That
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super strength is not only physical, it's psychic, and we
display enormous amounts of psychism where the mind can move
things just like that. For human can strength can lift
up a car and free a trapped person. You don't
have to touch the car to lift the car and
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free the dropped person. And as we commingle psychism, which
is what's really developing among experiencers and the awakening people.
They're developing certain gifts and yes, everything that we have, Heidi,
will eventually be taken for militant or military purposes, basically
(38:25):
turned into warfare psychic. Oh definitely. Oh they're and they're
taking without asking. They're like, oh, there goes one. Let's
just you know, take them in the middle of the night,
knock them out for a little bit. I'm hearing some stories,
let me tell you. Yeah, it's it's absolutely disturbing. And
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um yeah, I'm I'm a big believer and the potentials
that we have as human beings that things are gonna
come things are going to come forward, and it's kind
of exciting to see it going on. And I'm curious,
have you progressed somebody that move something in the room. Well,
I've seen that more than once. And did you pack
(39:08):
up and leave when it happened, No, Heidi, because I've
even done it myself. Oh oh boy. Okay, So we're
gonna have to get into that after the break. You guys,
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podcast network, And I have Lorie McDonald and boy, we're
just getting into telekinesis occurring during some of her hypnotic
regression sessions. And you said you've done this before yourself
and others have done this, so do tell do tell
you know, Heidi. Once I was I was having a
(42:07):
small UFO meeting, and all of a sudden, I felt
this enormous wave of energy and couldn't help myself but
jumped to my feet, and in my vision I could
see like the anatomy of a human being, sort of
three dimensional circling in front of me, and colors and
(42:27):
sounds associated with organs. And I just started saying what
I was seeing. And I paused just for the briefest
of seconds, and I looked at a candle on the
table and poof, it lit right. But I couldn't focus
on that because the information was still coming. So the
information poured into it, and long story short, at the
(42:48):
end of it, I um said, wow, wow, you know
this is before people use the turned download and said,
I'm not sure what that was, and um, somebody said,
we're gonna say anything about the candle being lit, somebody
else that will hang on. I tape recorded this, and
so as I went to reach for the tape recorder
(43:10):
for the tape recorder to turn on, it blew up.
The battery blew up, acid leaked out, melted part of
the plastic, and ruined a little Chrystal coopee table. And
and so we've got enormous heightened energy during specific times,
um great times of being awe inspired and in fear,
(43:35):
which is why we see certain races at reptilian psychological testing,
sexual testing. All of this is to push the psychism
of the person. They backed them mentally against a wall
and see how we come out. Yeah, that's a disturbing practice.
I've heard that is being done for a certain exclusive
(43:57):
soldier programs here and the world as well, just in
case I ever get caught in tortured you know, see
how they hold up. Yeah, it's horrible, it is. I
just don't understand. Can you share with us some of
the more extraordinary cases are even recent cases that you've
come across that you can check share on the program. Well,
(44:20):
I'm working with a lot of people right now. In fact,
I've always had a pretty busy private practice and now
busier than ever. But the majority of the cases right
now regarding e t s do you tend to be
more consciousness related. And then people are experiencing spontaneous out
(44:42):
of body experiences there explaining that to the level of
communication is really increasing. And but we see that there's
a history of this um. Many people believe that this
is the age of con fluence, that there have been
four great civilizations prior to us, and every time the
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population of humanity hits ten billion, that is a specific frequency,
ten billion people, it's a natural evolutionary step. We believe
that there are many people trying to circumvent this once again,
moving the people's energy, trying to decrease population from many forms,
(45:30):
many angles, and preventing the people from hitting that ten
million mark. Because at that ten million mark, I know
that they suspect that next evolutionary step is in the
wide opening of our pineal gland or the third eye
area where telepathy is natural and other human psychism becomes developed.
(45:57):
So we're out about I think seven billion, seven point
six billion. We pretty much populate like rabbits when we're
not to stopped from doing that, and we we can.
You're board from COVID and lockdowns. What what was that, LORI?
What was that? Lots of you came born this year.
(46:19):
I don't know why. Yes, I don't know either. Just
welcomed a new grandchild into the world. Oh boy, it's like,
look what my son made at school. And to think
I almost got to meet you, but COVID hit right
when I was supposed to go over to your place,
right you believe it? Yeah, I tell you the craziness.
You know, what do you think of the notion of
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them trying to control the apocalypse? Like I've heard whispers
of such things like to have a go in this direction,
or or try to encourage the return of Christ. Even
have you come across this, Well, we think that he
may stage either a very religious or extraterrestrial holographic event
(47:03):
to sway the people into realignment or religion to they
so they begin to behave in a specific way. People
are being continuously bombarded with subconscious information that is outside
of their awareness, what they eat, what they do, what
they believe, And so the subconscious mind loves repetition. And
(47:28):
so the more you hear this is bad, this is bad,
this is bad, This is bad, this is bad. You
believe that. And so those who control the narrative are
controlling the actual subconscious program with subliminal messaging in marketing
and TV, they're just running helter skelter. You know. It
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was like I can't remember the year, but all of
a sudden, within about eighteen months, everybody had a new
flat screen TV. Meanwhile, prior to that, they have like
a council TV with another square TV sitting on that.
But all of a sudden, everybody's got a flat screen
digital TV. And this is the way for them to
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control the air waves and for them to program us,
you know, Heidi. In two thousand and eight, the United
States Army UH legalized I guess uh synthetic telepathy as
warfare and using psychotronics. Just like everybody has a thumb fringe,
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we also have an energy signature, and these can be
tapped into and manipulated. And that's the problems. And they
take our energy, or deplete our psychism, or sway us
into being fearful of what's going to happen next, when
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the truth is there is nothing to fear, nothing at all.
We're more than capable of moving through whatever it is
that we need to. This is not the first pandemic,
it won't be the last. There have been others, and
we continue to thrive. The differences this time the narrative,
(49:21):
the mandates, and the control of the people. You can't
force people into, say vaccination, you can't force people into
any type of medical treatment and that is against human
fundamental right. There's definitely a lot going being said in
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regards to that topic. It's like, what's the real picture,
what is really going on? Why are we not getting
cargo into this country? What's going on there? There's so
many things to ponder, and yeah, it's a it's a puzzling,
you know, it's control. The vaccines have an r F
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I D chip. It's a radio frequency chip. It's programmable.
All vaccines have always had a chip in them. Generally
that chip indicated the lot or batch number that the
vaccine came from. Difference that this particular chip is that
it's got a radio frequency It would be for you
to regress one of the people who are behind such
(50:27):
things see the bill their beans right, absolutely, Oh, it
would be fascinating. It's just so many things to um
to consider. It's like, you know, like you said, this
is this is not new to this planet. We've been
going through a lot of different things over so many
uh lifetime centuries, you know, and and we find these
(50:50):
ruins and we just somehow don't have any history books
on how those things were created. Well, because everything was
dilapidated at one point and destroyed and now we're starting
all over again, and I'm like on purpose, you know,
in more the first thing they do is they take
out temples or churches, break your spirit, burned down your libraries,
(51:12):
take your books, beat the truth out of an indigenous person.
You know, That's what they do. They attack and change
and try to create this amnesia and that there's only
this one world way. But that's not the way. And
if we've learned anything, but we can't overcome whatever it
(51:33):
is we need to and if we collectively unify and
taking our next step forward, that it would be really
we the people who create those choices. Let's hope that
we hold it together. Um, how can people get ahold
of you and see what you're up to these days?
You can check out to the website that's true you
(51:53):
hypnotherapy dot Com. I'm on social media, Facebook and Twitter.
I don't really do too much of the twittering. Now
I understand. I really want to thank you so much
for coming on the show today. This is very informative,
per usual, and uh yeah, we definitely have to do
this again. It's been great. Thank you so much for
(52:15):
having me Heidi. Wow, we've come to the bottom of
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it because I know I did so much to learn
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And I'm telling you today you are in for quite
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Oh my goodness, Laurie McDonald is going to be joining us.
You are going to be shocked at the wealth of
material that she has encountered over the years. It's been
(02:01):
so much information and today we're gonna hear a lot
about that. We are going to really dive deep and uh,
hold onto your seats because it's gonna be really good.
As usual, whenever I've had Laurie McDonald on, it has
always been a fascinating conversation, never ever disappoints. So um.
(02:23):
But I also I wanted to address something today because
one of the topics that Lorie covers are people who
are considered gifted, right, and uh, for those people who
consider themselves to be psychic. I think you're going to
appreciate this conversation I'm going to approach right now. But
first remember go to my website and tell me about
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what it is that you're experiencing out of the ordinary
from shadow people to hat man aliens to angel encounters.
I want to hear about it because this is the
place where people can keep in touch and know what's
going on out there in the world. All right, let
me dive on into this conversation I want to bring up.
So imagine you're psychic or a medium or gifted, have
(03:06):
special insight or an EmPATH and h you know, imagine
say somebody that's a truck driver, okay, and somebody buys
a toy truck with remote control. And you know, when
you're a truck driver, you have to get trained. I mean,
you have to go to school, you have to pass
a test, and it's a specialty. I mean, it's a profession.
(03:29):
But that person that has this remote toy truck says, well, hey,
I do the same thing. Yeah, I'm a I'm a
truck driver as well, you know, but they're not. They're
they've got a toy truck. I know, people who are
truly gifted in the arena of being a psychic or
(03:49):
a medium, and it can be offensive to them in
their profession when somebody else pops up saying, oh, yeah
I do the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I
totally can do readings just as good as anybody you know,
Like this is me now, I'm all about the human potential,
and I think we all have instances and moments of
(04:13):
psychic abilities. Honestly. I mean, have you ever had a
dream that came true or a deja vu where things
feel really real? I think it's just part of who
we are as human beings, and I think that a
lot has been hidden from us on our knowledge. I
think that uh, you know, if we got the right
um acknowledgement, even when we as children come forward and say, hey,
(04:38):
I experienced something, instead of being told go back to sleep.
You don't know what you're talking about, you know, don't
tell anybody that and don't explore it. If we were
taught otherwise, if we were allowed to explore that and
had knowledge of the ancients to say this is how
you tap better into that, um, I think that we'd
be living in a whole other world. But there are
(05:01):
those people, and I've met many over the years who
have these really clear and concise abilities. And I don't
think anybody's a hundred percent, just like I don't think
there's anybody that has a perfect uh driving record, uh,
whether they're caught or not. But everybody kind of drifts
over the line sometimes or is distracted at some point.
(05:24):
So you know, nobody's perfect there anything that they do.
But I've met some that are like, you know, I'm
trying to let the world know that these abilities exist,
and some of us are really really clear about it.
And now, is that person a fluke to be so clear?
(05:49):
I don't think so. Again, I think it's untapped abilities
that we have. You know, whether a person got hit
on the head um or they got ill or near
deathics experience it seems to trigger these abilities even more so.
It's like a crossing over to the other side, wakes up,
energizes a certain part of their brain and whoop. You know,
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they they've got these abilities more increased, right, And but
the whole profession gets muddied when you have somebody who
steps into the arena and says they're really good at something,
and I don't know the motivations to it. I don't
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know if they want to um make a living doing this.
I don't know if they want to UM. They don't
make it feel like there's something special about them than
the next. But when they muddy the waters and they
are proposing to know something so precise because this is
you know who they are and what they do, and
(06:52):
they know better that they don't. It causes problems out there.
I never thought about that. I never thought about that's
like and yeah, I have come across peoples like, oh,
I'm psychic, let me tell you your future. You've got this,
this and that, and they're totally wrong, and I just go,
oh yeah. You know, um, especially when you're in this
line of work, you get a lot of people who
(07:13):
try to tell you something about yourself and um, you know,
I politely just smile and not oh really okay, but
it's I don't put a whole lot of weight into it. Um.
I have come across some extraordinarily talented people though. UM,
so I'm not going to say that I haven't run
into those people. But imagine the harm that could be
(07:35):
done out there. If you're saying, yeah, I'm really good,
pay me some money and I'm going to tell you
what your past love. One is saying, um, wow, that
causes harm. That's called a Charlottean. That's called horrible. That's trickery,
that's not cool. Um. But again, there's people like myself
(07:58):
I've seen ghosts. I don't try to talk to them,
you know. Um. In fact, I told the ghosts, look,
I'm not the one. I'm not gonna gonna be transmitting
any kind of information about anything that you've experienced. I
don't care why you're here, Just please go. You know,
just that type of thing. UM, just put the notion
I wasn't trying to have a conversation. Um, but you know,
(08:21):
I just I never thought of that. But I have
had the scenario in the situation UM a lot, because
speaking at conferences and whatnot, and uh, people say, oh,
come here, I've seen something about you. Do you would
you believe like the most sporadic moments when somebody comes
(08:42):
up to me saying that type of thing is when
they've been more spot on. I don't know what that is,
but that those have been like really really shocking instances
for me. Um, this is so crazy, alright, So I'm
gonna tell you guys something. This is. This is just
like wild to me because it's so happened to me.
(09:03):
And this is one of those sporadic situations like, um,
so this this uh, this guy came up to me,
shook my hand, he goes Hi, nice to meet you.
I'm and then he goes and he looks down and
he just like points to a spot on my leg
and he's like, did you get the tattoo you're going
to get? I'm like what? And then soon behind him
(09:27):
comes my friend and I'm frozen because my friend, Hey, Heidi,
Oh this is my new boyfriend. I didn't get to
introduce you. Oh hold on, did he do something weird?
I'm like, huh what He's like, he's a psychic. I'm sorry,
did he do something weird? I see the look on
your face. I'm like, yeah, Like, I was totally thinking
(09:51):
about getting a tattoo of a cross on my leg,
exactly in the spot that this guy pointing to. Now,
I do not have any tattoos. I did not get it,
but that's exactly where I was thinking of putting it.
And to have somebody just spontaneously do that blew my mind.
(10:13):
So yeah, I know their psychics out there. I know
there are good psychics out there, mediums, remote viewers and
all of that. Intuitives, impass um. What I'm saying is,
you know, much like, uh, you know somebody that says
they have the talent and if somebody's coming to you,
please help, Please be true and blue to it, because
(10:37):
how are we going to convince others that we have
these abilities, that we have these capabilities to do things
if we have people muddying the waters out there, just
just off the seat of their pants saying, yes, I'm psychic,
come to me, pay some money. I'm gonna tell you something.
I had never thought of that, but yeah, damnage is
(10:58):
being done. So they cabot that. If you're one of
those folks, or if you know somebody like that who
is just you know, willy nilly out there doing that,
let's try to let's try to help ourselves in realizing
the true full human potential that we all have. And
I know we have it. I know I've had those
(11:19):
sporadic deja vous that were totally telling that this. I've
been here before. Ah, this is familiar. I even get
like the little forward slash of the deja vu, Like
when I have one, I know what's going to happen
immediately next. It is so wild, and I like to
pause and take it all in, like, oh, this is
(11:43):
really kind of fabulous, you know, like what is this
thing that I'm experiencing right now it has totally happened
to me. So, um, but when I charge somebody to
say come to me, I know all deja vu on
you and til what's gonna happen in the next several seconds. No,
because that would be wrong. That would be wrong. So
(12:03):
let's clean it up out there. Let's tell the world
about our human potential and let's allow the ones who
really do have that ability, who could really help people heal.
It's healing to be able to talk to somebody from
the other side sometimes it's healing. And just think about
the possibilities that somebody could have something like that because
(12:26):
they are out there and we allow them to shine
and not take over their profession. I think we'll get really,
really far and letting our minds know we have this ability.
So that's my two cents worth on that. Um. So
you guys, we're gonna have a wonderful guest come up
here next. I have Laurie McDonald. You are in for
(12:48):
a treat and you are listening to Dark Becomes Light
with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and
Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. Let's stick around
well to be wrap back Hey, the Coast to Coast
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channel to Coast to Coast AM dot com for more information.
Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
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me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Now my guest Laurie McDonald.
She is a board certified clinical hypnotherapist at True You
Hypnotherapy and an extra terrestrial abduction researcher. She is one
of twenty seven regression therapists listed on the mouf On
(13:55):
Mental Health Referral lists for abduction regression for North America.
She is the board president for OPUS Organization for Paranormal
Understanding and Support and it's the founder of the Sacramento
Alien Abduction and Contact the Support group when the California's
largest UFO and abduction groups. So I'd like to welcome
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Lorie McDonald to the show. How are you doing there, Laurie.
I am doing great. It is great to have you
on this program. I've interviewed you in the past on
my other programs, and uh, first time for this one.
And wow, it's been a while, I'm I know, and
I've been trying to keep up with everything that you're
(14:36):
up to these days, and it's a lot so but
to break it down for people to first get to
know you, UH, tell us a bit about your background
and what it is that you've been involved in. Well,
I'm a clinical hypnotherapist here in Sacramento, and some of
the specialty work that I do is in regards to
(14:59):
the abduction f AMNA and the contact and how it
leads to a consciousness expansion. But my focus right now
seems to be on the spiritual awakening that many of
the experiencers have and are going through. So that's been
(15:19):
taking up an enormous amount of time. I'm working ridiculous hours,
but all of the cases are so incredibly fascinating. Now
I've been filming some documentaries. UH did a wonderful show
with a Peacock TV where I regressed Demi Levado as
she too is an experiencer and her experience also leads
(15:43):
to a broader awareness and it was very positive. So
Demi Levado, that's that's a big deal. That's that's amazing. Yeah,
she came to a support group meeting and then I
hooked her up to an e G and we did
a regression session on camera. And she was able to
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identify some of the entities that had approached her, and
she's on her own journey. In fact, I believe they
turned what was going to be one episode into a
uh four part mini series with her on the road.
And yeah, so the phenomena of Awakening is definitely hand
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in hand with the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena or UFOs. I mean,
I know that there's a distinct difference and people are
changing their verbiage. But anyway, been doing a lot of
that and really enjoy being involved in some of the documentaries.
I I just did another documentary and we were on
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location in San Francisco. Now upcoming event for Japanese TV. Wow,
that's amazing, But I'm I'm blown away, but I'm not
surprised because you have been doing this for quite some time,
and you know what, what actually inspired you to go
this route? You know. Interestingly, when I was in the
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ninth grade, UM, I was not doing as well on
the tasks as I was capable of. And I told
my science teacher, not sleeping at all, I'm fretting about
these tasks, right, And he said, well, why don't you
just put all of that and all of those thoughts
into like a brown paper bag and sit them on nightstand,
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and then you can go to sleep, and if you
want to have a look at those thoughts, they'll be
there for you in the morning. And that advice stuck
with me, And of course, by that age, I was
already an experiencer and found myself going to school to
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become a psychologist. But after going to see a hypnotherapist,
I realized that this, definitely, it was far far more
effective and profound in the ability that it gives a
person to program or create the neuropathway that they desire,
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as opposed to their daily activities being driven by the
subconscious mind programs that they're perceiving billions of bits of
information that the mind is processing outside of their awareness.
Oh my goodness, it's uh, it is complicated. There's many, many,
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many layers when it comes to the phenomena that looks
like it's just one thing, it's a craft and and beings,
and it's like no, it connects to the soul. It
connects to the good, the bad, the ugly, and the profound.
So how do you help somebody work through that? Well,
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I think the first thing that it does is it
challenges your reality. If your reality or your consciousness had
never accepted the existence of non human entities or parallel
universes or spiritual existence or UFOs, then seeing or experiencing
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something like that is really very challenging, and perhaps you
want to reject it, and perhaps you don't want to
even believe that it was real. You might want to say, no,
it was just a dream, was just a dream. And
once we can get back to whether it's real or
not real, true or faults, then we can begin to
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create the consciousness space for them to process what's happened
and what that means to them, not only to them,
but their place in the world and ultimately they're place
in the universe. We are floating in space right now,
we're already part of this universe, and to expand the
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mind into encompassing a much larger realm should be natural.
But we've been programmed in a way that has created
a very small, externalized reality, a reality that consists of
earning an income, making a lot of money, having a
nice hives, and and not ever really being able to
(20:32):
tap into that potential that we sense, not being able
to connect the mind body and take those steps towards
self mastery, beginning to understand that the soul is multidimensional
and that we are far more powerful than we ever believed.
I always say, never doubt of the human potential, because wow,
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the places that we can go are mind blowing. And
you know, I hope you don't find if if I ask,
how unearthed did Demilovado take? What it is that she revealed?
I mean, I'm talking to the hypnotherapist that regressed her.
I have to ask, Laurie, so do tell? Well, Yeah,
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she did really good, I mean she was Her experience
happened interestingly enough in Joshua Tree, out in the desert,
where many experiences happen and where some of the bigger
UFO conferences also happened. So they had seen a craft
I believe a blue light to begin with. And then
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later as she was going to bed, there were some
non human entities in the room and they were permissive
in their languaging, requesting her basically compliance or permission, making
sure that she was okay to go, and asking did
she want to understand or see more? And she did,
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and without fear, she was able to move into another
and higher space. Wonderful. What beings. Which types did she see?
She described them as being tall, thin, and it was
difficult for her to get a full physical description. Of course,
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if anybody who's interested, that episode has aired in September
on Peacock and I believe peacock is a free app
and you can watch the live regression as we had
her hooked up to an e G and you can
see the brain waves as they moved down into the
subconscious and display the alpha delta and sometimes even hitting
(22:46):
the delta brainway, the data brainway. Sorry, so very very cool. Um.
I find it very interesting and isn't it a sign
of the times when people in celebrities can come forward
and speak their truth in a place that is no
longer ridiculed. But the truth is Heidi. I think that
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when the Pentagon came forward and said that, you know,
we've got these TikTok videos and our naval airplanes are
chasing what can only be UFOs, are now this unidentified
a real phenomenon. I think that that said they exist,
and by doing so, it's alleviated the burden of proof
(23:33):
for the experience, or they don't have to prove it
because the government already said they're there. So I think
this makes it a little easier for people to come
forward and say, yeah, well, actually this is what happened
to me, or this is what my family and I experienced. No,
I totally agree with that, because there has been a
(23:56):
different wave, a different vibe and a wink like, hey,
it's all good, we can we could do this, we
could go there now. And it's like I was absolutely
applauding when somebody like Demo Demi came forward. I mean,
just wow, you know this, this is exactly where it
needs to go. We need to get uh common everyday people,
(24:16):
big stars at all in the mix to uh, you know,
just say hey, this is my truth, this is what's happening,
and bring it to a level where we can talk
about the weather in the next sentence even you know, right,
and just you know, letting people see that some of
these experiences and really all of them, if we begin
to uh focus on really opening or resonating with a
(24:42):
higher consciousness, as we begin to resonate into that, than
what we attract, what we draw towards us is in
that same light. And this really lets people feel safer
and more secure. There are protocols now and deflect ding
lower energy or asked through a plane lower energy, or
(25:05):
even demons for extraternal races that are self serving. Oh,
we are so got to dive into that. We gotta
get to our first break here with Laurie McDonald. You guys,
you are listening too dark becomes like with me Heidi
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You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi
Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I have Laurie McDonald and
we were speaking about some of these elements that I
have some It's something that I talk about often here
on the program about there being a conflict in alien contact,
(27:56):
that it's not always rosy, it's not always positive, and
but I find there's some people who really don't like
to go there to talk about the more negative experiences
any longer. Like that was the thing before, you know,
way back in the day, Like people were honest and forthcoming,
and then all of a sudden, the tone changed. And
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I remember sitting in these groups and talking to these
people because I ran a group for like fifteen years,
and uh watch the conversation turned to, oh, it's not
so bad, and uh yeah they abused me, Yeah they
caused harm, but I'm special and that's why I had
to have that lesson. And I was absolutely blown away
with people who wanted to sleep with a gun under
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their bed and some did to that. So how do
you explain that to people? And I love the fact
that you go there and you address this head on,
So how how do you explain some of this? Well,
first off, the abduction phenomena is changing, and part of
that is because the human is becoming more empowered word
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and more capable of resonating into those higher frequencies, and
the fear level is diminishing. So earlier in the seventies,
late seventies, eighties, and into the nineties, we certainly heard
a lot about to the grays, the hybridization program, the
(29:21):
harvesting of genetics, at people being shown hybrid children and
people were terrified. I've also had clients with guns in
their house and under their bed because they'd seen extraterrestrials
first seeming to peep in the window and seeing him
in the room. Then they're moved into that state of
(29:43):
paralysis where only the eyes are moving, but they have
conscious awareness, and they can feel themselves being lifted, floated
through what should be physical now no laws of physics supply,
and they moved through a wall or a window. You
can only imagine how frightening that is because you have
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no control. Now, Is anything bad happening while they're being
taken against their will? Are they being harmed? Not necessarily,
not physically anyway. Certainly there has been an emotional scar
to left, but that entity is now um trying to
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create you all use that that delta bring wave transmitter
to create a sense of compliance and diminish any fear
that a person might be having, reassuring them that everything's okay.
I think we've blown the lid off. I'm so special
that that's clearly a manipulation and people were being tricked.
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And how ridiculous to think that one person's DNA is
going to service and repair a full race of beings exactly,
you know, come on, most of them were the short
ones are primarily AI anyway, they're mostly programmed. They can
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only you know, perform certain functions. So yeah, but it's changing,
as you know. And although some people are still scared,
and I still see experiences that are um, people's grandparents,
you know, they're older now, but things have happened, and
before they leave this earth, they want to know what
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they experienced to begin to settle that energy. So the
grace they're not as intimidating as they think they are.
The more we begin to master our mind and our energy,
the more we're able to shut them down. I love that. Yeah,
self empowerment and um, you know, having that thought of
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no doubt that you can indeed do something about your situation.
I I really kind of group us may at other
people's disdain for the whole thing, like, well, can't do
anything about it. You know, they're just gonna keep doing
this and making me a victim. And I'm like, you know, there,
there's there's something about why they keep coming. I didn't
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buy into that whole Uh, this person is special versus
the next one either, But um, it seems to help
people sleep better at night. And I wasn't one to
knock people down for that belief because I saw the trauma.
I saw the the families getting broken up and the
despair of the PTSD. The yeah, there's a mechanism. Yeah.
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And so now we're saying posts abduction stress disorder because
it's sort of covers a very distinct and set of
symptoms that experiencers feel. And so Rose Heartbrow, she was
a psychiatric nurse. I believe she's coined the phrase um
post abduction stress disorder, and we now we treat that
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specifically for people who had suffered. So, yeah, they were
told they were special, um, and that they were going
to be able to help and that it was a
manipulation when in fact, um, I've I do believe that
they were trying to create a hybred so that they
could hijack the human soul. As grays only live to
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be about nine to a vendred years until they become
AI programmed, and that's about a little bit of sentient
being left in them. But the tall grays um lived
to be nine eleven years old. But if they were
to create a hybred that a vessel that could hold
the soul, then they could hijack the ascension. Very interesting
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and you spoke of that hijacking and also demonic type
of elementals out there. How do you how do you
tell the difference between what's going on, because I've heard
of some people reporting demonic entities and describing a gray
alien being. Yeah, I mean, demons have been confused with
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grays for a long time and nuts because they share
something in common, which is self serving behavior. The just
differences is emotion. A demon has zero emotional control and
they're like a highly intelligent, spoiled child. They're easily provoked
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and they have no emotional control whatsoever, whereas an extraterrestrial
just basically has no emotions. As we're specifically talking about
the grades, so their emotion or at least some of
the emotion that a gray would display would be um.
Minimal emotion would be like annoyance. But when we're not flying,
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they're like the tall braids are like, oh, you know,
they have to like they had somebody had to call
in the manager, you know, And so that's about the
most emotion you're going to get out of them. But
but a demon, they always pretend. They pretend to be people,
they pretend to be little girls, they pretend to be extraterrestrials.
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But when questioned with the appropriate line of questioning, they
crack and they get angry and they lose control. And
that's how you know who you're dealing with. They have
a tell huh, they have a tel, and they where
their means there, you know, and they try to provoke fear.
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So the more person can practice equanimity, being calm, balanced,
well grounded, and no matter what chaos is going around,
the more you're able to maneuver through any situation. Yeah,
I'm curious. Have you ever come across, uh, some of
(36:05):
these folks claiming to be quote unquote super soldiers are
part of the Secret Space Force. Yes, oh oh, hold on, now,
what was that? What was that? Lorie it was yes
I have, but I can't go into detail at this time. Um,
(36:31):
that's yeah, I can't at this time. One of the
reasons is uh to do with the super Soldier program
and how any human can be superhuman. So it's not
a big adjustment really, it's the women are like this.
(36:52):
It's hormonal. It's actually adrenaline. As we begin to focus
and balance and control our adrenaline, we can we can
exhibit two forms of super strength. One physically lifting huge
amounts of weights, jumping for our distances, running for long steeds, incredible,
(37:15):
just adrenaline. Farmers have done it when they've had you know,
cattle or other people trapped or hurt, and they've done
amazing things. All kinds of people have done it. It's
not news. But secondarily, when a person now is pushed
to that limit and without thought, they must react. That
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super strength is not only physical, it's psychic, and we
display enormous amounts of psychism where the mind can move
things just like that. For human can strength can lift
up a car and free a trapped person. You don't
have to touch the car to lift the car and
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free the dropped person. And as we commingle psychism, which
is what's really developing among experiencers and the awakening people.
They're developing certain gifts and yes, everything that we have, Heidi,
will eventually be taken for militant or military purposes, basically
(38:25):
turned into warfare psychic. Oh definitely. Oh they're and they're
taking without asking. They're like, oh, there goes one. Let's
just you know, take them in the middle of the night,
knock them out for a little bit. I'm hearing some stories,
let me tell you. Yeah, it's it's absolutely disturbing. And
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um yeah, I'm I'm a big believer and the potentials
that we have as human beings that things are gonna
come things are going to come forward, and it's kind
of exciting to see it going on. And I'm curious,
have you progressed somebody that move something in the room. Well,
I've seen that more than once. And did you pack
(39:08):
up and leave when it happened, No, Heidi, because I've
even done it myself. Oh oh boy. Okay, So we're
gonna have to get into that after the break. You guys,
you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
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Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I
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podcast network, And I have Lorie McDonald and boy, we're
just getting into telekinesis occurring during some of her hypnotic
regression sessions. And you said you've done this before yourself
and others have done this, so do tell do tell
you know, Heidi. Once I was I was having a
(42:07):
small UFO meeting, and all of a sudden, I felt
this enormous wave of energy and couldn't help myself but
jumped to my feet, and in my vision I could
see like the anatomy of a human being, sort of
three dimensional circling in front of me, and colors and
(42:27):
sounds associated with organs. And I just started saying what
I was seeing. And I paused just for the briefest
of seconds, and I looked at a candle on the
table and poof, it lit right. But I couldn't focus
on that because the information was still coming. So the
information poured into it, and long story short, at the
(42:48):
end of it, I um said, wow, wow, you know
this is before people use the turned download and said,
I'm not sure what that was, and um, somebody said,
we're gonna say anything about the candle being lit, somebody
else that will hang on. I tape recorded this, and
so as I went to reach for the tape recorder
(43:10):
for the tape recorder to turn on, it blew up.
The battery blew up, acid leaked out, melted part of
the plastic, and ruined a little Chrystal coopee table. And
and so we've got enormous heightened energy during specific times,
um great times of being awe inspired and in fear,
(43:35):
which is why we see certain races at reptilian psychological testing,
sexual testing. All of this is to push the psychism
of the person. They backed them mentally against a wall
and see how we come out. Yeah, that's a disturbing practice.
I've heard that is being done for a certain exclusive
(43:57):
soldier programs here and the world as well, just in
case I ever get caught in tortured you know, see
how they hold up. Yeah, it's horrible, it is. I
just don't understand. Can you share with us some of
the more extraordinary cases are even recent cases that you've
come across that you can check share on the program. Well,
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I'm working with a lot of people right now. In fact,
I've always had a pretty busy private practice and now
busier than ever. But the majority of the cases right
now regarding e t s do you tend to be
more consciousness related. And then people are experiencing spontaneous out
(44:42):
of body experiences there explaining that to the level of
communication is really increasing. And but we see that there's
a history of this um. Many people believe that this
is the age of con fluence, that there have been
four great civilizations prior to us, and every time the
(45:05):
population of humanity hits ten billion, that is a specific frequency,
ten billion people, it's a natural evolutionary step. We believe
that there are many people trying to circumvent this once again,
moving the people's energy, trying to decrease population from many forms,
(45:30):
many angles, and preventing the people from hitting that ten
million mark. Because at that ten million mark, I know
that they suspect that next evolutionary step is in the
wide opening of our pineal gland or the third eye
area where telepathy is natural and other human psychism becomes developed.
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So we're out about I think seven billion, seven point
six billion. We pretty much populate like rabbits when we're
not to stopped from doing that, and we we can.
You're board from COVID and lockdowns. What what was that, LORI?
What was that? Lots of you came born this year.
(46:19):
I don't know why. Yes, I don't know either. Just
welcomed a new grandchild into the world. Oh boy, it's like,
look what my son made at school. And to think
I almost got to meet you, but COVID hit right
when I was supposed to go over to your place,
right you believe it? Yeah, I tell you the craziness.
You know, what do you think of the notion of
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them trying to control the apocalypse? Like I've heard whispers
of such things like to have a go in this direction,
or or try to encourage the return of Christ. Even
have you come across this, Well, we think that he
may stage either a very religious or extraterrestrial holographic event
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to sway the people into realignment or religion to they
so they begin to behave in a specific way. People
are being continuously bombarded with subconscious information that is outside
of their awareness, what they eat, what they do, what
they believe, And so the subconscious mind loves repetition. And
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so the more you hear this is bad, this is bad,
this is bad, This is bad, this is bad. You
believe that. And so those who control the narrative are
controlling the actual subconscious program with subliminal messaging in marketing
and TV, they're just running helter skelter. You know. It
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was like I can't remember the year, but all of
a sudden, within about eighteen months, everybody had a new
flat screen TV. Meanwhile, prior to that, they have like
a council TV with another square TV sitting on that.
But all of a sudden, everybody's got a flat screen
digital TV. And this is the way for them to
(48:16):
control the air waves and for them to program us,
you know, Heidi. In two thousand and eight, the United
States Army UH legalized I guess uh synthetic telepathy as
warfare and using psychotronics. Just like everybody has a thumb fringe,
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we also have an energy signature, and these can be
tapped into and manipulated. And that's the problems. And they
take our energy, or deplete our psychism, or sway us
into being fearful of what's going to happen next, when
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the truth is there is nothing to fear, nothing at all.
We're more than capable of moving through whatever it is
that we need to. This is not the first pandemic,
it won't be the last. There have been others, and
we continue to thrive. The differences this time the narrative,
(49:21):
the mandates, and the control of the people. You can't
force people into, say vaccination, you can't force people into
any type of medical treatment and that is against human
fundamental right. There's definitely a lot going being said in
(49:45):
regards to that topic. It's like, what's the real picture,
what is really going on? Why are we not getting
cargo into this country? What's going on there? There's so
many things to ponder, and yeah, it's a it's a puzzling,
you know, it's control. The vaccines have an r F
(50:06):
I D chip. It's a radio frequency chip. It's programmable.
All vaccines have always had a chip in them. Generally
that chip indicated the lot or batch number that the
vaccine came from. Difference that this particular chip is that
it's got a radio frequency It would be for you
to regress one of the people who are behind such
(50:27):
things see the bill their beans right, absolutely, Oh, it
would be fascinating. It's just so many things to um
to consider. It's like, you know, like you said, this
is this is not new to this planet. We've been
going through a lot of different things over so many
uh lifetime centuries, you know, and and we find these
(50:50):
ruins and we just somehow don't have any history books
on how those things were created. Well, because everything was
dilapidated at one point and destroyed and now we're starting
all over again, and I'm like on purpose, you know,
in more the first thing they do is they take
out temples or churches, break your spirit, burned down your libraries,
(51:12):
take your books, beat the truth out of an indigenous person.
You know, That's what they do. They attack and change
and try to create this amnesia and that there's only
this one world way. But that's not the way. And
if we've learned anything, but we can't overcome whatever it
(51:33):
is we need to and if we collectively unify and
taking our next step forward, that it would be really
we the people who create those choices. Let's hope that
we hold it together. Um, how can people get ahold
of you and see what you're up to these days?
You can check out to the website that's true you
(51:53):
hypnotherapy dot Com. I'm on social media, Facebook and Twitter.
I don't really do too much of the twittering. Now
I understand. I really want to thank you so much
for coming on the show today. This is very informative,
per usual, and uh yeah, we definitely have to do
this again. It's been great. Thank you so much for
(52:15):
having me Heidi. Wow, we've come to the bottom of
another fabulous and informative show. I hope you all enjoyed
it because I know I did so much to learn
so many things out there, and you know, I wanted
to remind you guys to go to my main website,
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Make it a little bit easier for people and tell
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this program, let me know. And you can always keep
your emails anonymous. I do not force people to put
their information in there, so keep it anonymous if you'd like,
(52:58):
or say hey, I don't want to share for the show,
and you can also do that too. But this show
is really all about sharing. And if you have research,
I mean, you share it with me and I will
put it out there on the air. I really will.
So also be sure to check out my social media.
Usually I put a one in front of my name,
so at one Heidi Hollis and uh I have a
(53:20):
paranormal comic strip called the Outlanders Comics, So at the
Outlanders Comic you know, just check out my website. It
has links to everything, has all the information Twitter or
all that stuff Instagram. I mean, you name it. Send
me a message through any and all of it. Wow. Alright,
well you know what, I guess We will catch you
next time. Remember you've been listening to Dark Becomes Light
(53:43):
with me, Heidi Hollis, I mean I Heart Radio and
Coast to Coast i AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll see
you next time, say saying for everybody too. Well, if
you like this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait till
you hear the next one. You've been listening to the
(54:04):
I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network
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