Daytime Dreams with Sherri Shepherd

The dream of a lifetime for a woman in entertainment is to be the host of her own TV show. In this episode of A Day With Kay, Khadeen speaks with a woman who has made that dream, and many more come true. Khadeen talks with Sherri Shepherd about her journey to the top and what matters the most to her along the way. Dead Ass.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey, I'm Kadeen and I'm Devoued, and we're the Ellis's.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
You may know us from posting funny videos.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
With our boys and reading each other publicly as a
form of therapy.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Wait, I make you need therapy most days. Wow?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, and one more important thing to mention, we're married.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, sir, we are. We created this podcast to open
dialogue about some of li's most taboo topics.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Things most folks don't want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Through the lens of a millennial married couple. Dead ass
is a term that we say every day. So when
we say dead ass, we're actually saying facts one hundred
the truth, the whole truth.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
And nothing but the truth.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
We about to take philosof to our whole new level.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Dead ass starts right now, all right, Sherry, Yes, yes, this?
How does this feel to be in the opposite chair?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Normally you're the host, you're asking the questions. How often
do you sit down for an interview with someone?

Speaker 4 (01:06):
I don't really, So this is actually fun for me.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
It's giving exclusive, it's giving exclusive, and it's fun because
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm not under any pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm not under any pressure to say, Oh, Kadeen wants
to promote something. Oh, I can't ask Kadeen this. Oh
my gosh, I don't want to upset her. Like I
don't have to think about nothing you.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Oh my god, the pressure somebody has turned on the air.
But yeah, what's so funny. Initially coming into this, first
of all, thank you for sitting with me. You can
be doing a million other things right now. It's still
the summertime in New York. My kids are back in school,
but I know Jeffrey's not so Jeffer's.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
At his mom.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
However, I'm in a moment where coming here, initially I
felt some butterflies. I was like, oh my god, Sherry,
I have to sit and interview Shery like I'm doing
like this is my dream job and I'm about to
interview someone who is literally living my right. And then
as I got closer to the studio and once I
got here, I felt a sense of calm, and that

(02:04):
for me was just kind of confirmation or affirmation that
I'm where I'm supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, which is too to whatever that thing is, that
dream and how God is going to anoint it. Because
we're spiritual people. Sure we talk deep spiritual, but sure.
It's like when you say you could be doing anything, No,
I'm supposed to be doing this with you, because, as
I tell everybody on my team, the blessings that I

(02:30):
get are not only for me. Everybody is supposed to
eat off that blessing. So when your husband called and
said my wife is I was like, I don't care what. Yes,
we need you to fly with whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
God bless him, your husband when I tell you he loved.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
You, and I love that because I remember you said
when we were talking that this is your dream to
have a talk show. So whatever I can do to
help in whatever part I can play, or however God
wants to use me to assist, then that's what I'm

(03:08):
going to do. So it's not no, there were things,
but I was supposed to be here, Like I didn't
care how it was happening. When they said I had
to fly out, I was like, however, I got, we
gotta do this.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, Sherion was a plan to Chicago for me.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Okay, don't even care. Listen like you're walking in your purpose.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Indeed I received that, and I so see it deeply.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
You you have given up so much to highlight your husband.
You've given up so much to raise these three princes. Lord,
I forgot you track, and so I can't can track
with your belly because you get the belly, you lose
it so fast. I'll be losing track of the kids.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
But it's like you.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
You were raising these little princes to become kings, and
you were fulfilling the first assignment. So God is gonna
bless you on this journe and I would love to
be a part of your blessing because your seeds that
you've been planning, that's like investing in stocks. And I
do want to you because this is gonna benefit me too.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I received that shry that's so true, and I didn't
even think of it that way. But you're absolutely right, Deval,
and I always say it. Even on our podcast Dead Ass,
we say all everything that we've accumulated is not for us.
It's part of a bigger picture. We're blessed in abundance
because we are on God's assignment to bless other people.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
And you have. That's how I found out about you.
I was scrolling on Instagram and I saw a Dead
Ass and y'all were talking about something about a like
every every time you do the podcast is something. It's
like amazing, But it was about relationships and trust and
I couldn't look away.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
And that's when I started following both of you.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
I didn't even know you. I hadn't even watched Devel
on TV. It was through dead Asso and it's so
I just believe God blesses exponentially.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
It's never supposed to be like about y'all.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's who you're touching. God can't use you if you're
not gonna be touching other people.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
That's when I realized what my purpose was, Sherry, because
for so long I would think about it. I'm like,
what's my purpose? Like why am I here other than
being a wife and mom? And to your point, having
dead Ass as a platform where we just share unapologetically
about so many things. I'm just hoping that it resonates
with someone when people stop us on the street now
and they say, you saved my marriage single, Yeah me,

(05:25):
you taught me how to talk to my partner. I
didn't agree with what you said then, but it makes
sense now. That's when I feel like, Wow, I'm really
really fulfilling God's purpose for me.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
So in that darling she reisonated with me, I don't
even want to get married. I was like, I gotta
find a husband. But it showed me, like every time
y'all talk, it shows me what a marriage should be
looking like, honest, authentic, you know about trust, about God, about.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
For some reason, the way you and Deval talk even
about putting each other first, yes, because you can't take
care of the family if y'all en, It just resonated
with me. So true.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
And this is a service based industry. If you not
prepared to serve, baby, this is not for you. And
that's usually what I tell people. And as soon as
you realize that which side of the industry you're on,
you'll be a happier person.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Girl. Sure see, I already got.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
It out blessing me.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I mean you know, I know you did it twice.
It's three times a trying real quick. While we're on
the topic, not right now now.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I will never say never, because I literally I'm a
believer in marriage. Okay, I believe in the benefits of marriage.
I'm not one of those people I'm in love with
being married. I think marriage is so God said, if
you are with the right person, And I think that
a lot of people. Sometimes they rush into the pomp
and the circumstance instead of really really vetting out the

(06:44):
person and going, is this gonna fit me? Or am
I willing to serve? Am I willing to Am I
willing to lay down things that I think for.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
The better good of the collection of the collective?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
And so I don't think that I was there, and
I want to.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Take time to just wait. I don't want because I
rushed into marriage because I was like, oh, I can't
be in sin. I can't the Bible say it's better
to be married than lust. I don't even remember the
spel description was. And so I got married for the
wrong reasons. And I'm not blaming the other person. It
was the choices that I made.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Did you have like a timeline in your head of
like this is where my life should be yes time?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I thought that at the time I got married, I
was forty three, which is not that it's not okay, So.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
You weren't like I'm in my twenties and you know,
I want to be thirties. I want to be damaged
goods like they.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Like to say, Well, I never thought I was want
to be damaged goods.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
But I thought I was getting older.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I was like, I'm forty three and I'm getting old,
and who's going to want to get married to me?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Who?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
All of that stuff? And it's so funny because now
I'm fifty seven.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
And I'm like, I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I can't even believe I thought that right forty three.
At fifty seven, I'm like, I'm a great catch. Somebody's
going to find this person. And until they do, I'm
going to be moving and doing what I need to do,
what God.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Has called me to do.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
And I remember a pastor said he's going to interrupt
what you're doing. So until I get interrupted, I'm not
thinking about marriage.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I do believe I will never.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Say I won't get married. But at this time, I'm
not looking for marriage because, first of all, kadeem my mouth,
I didn't found my voice.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
And sometimes and there's a thing.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Of being a boss here that doesn't transfer over sometimes
when you take that same energyhip into a relationship, and
I have experienced that, and so I know, and so
it's that pulling back that sometimes I have a hard
time doing.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Do you feel like you were forced into a boss position?
Because I know some women who feel like, you know,
I just had to take charge of my life and
my career. So I was forced to be that boss.
But did you feel like that was your story to
be forced into it, so therefore you don't know how
to turn it off in a relationship.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, I would have to say I was forced into
being a boss because number one, being a single mom
and having a son with special needs. I've had to
be a boss to advocate for him because he's a
young black boy. So a lot of times people will
say things to me and I don't have to say
no with this voice that doesn't work for us, or no, you're.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Not going to put my my son.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I wanted him to attend a certain school and they
said to me, his IQ will not allow him to attend,
like we could put him in a great gym class.
That was so insulting to me, and I had to
deepen my voice.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Do Chicago and.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Me want to.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Understand?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
But I had to say uh uh, and I will
report you and what you just said. And so I've
had to be the boss in those situations. And then
taking on a talk show with my name on it,
I get the glory and I get the the if
it fails. They don't say, oh, that producer, that the
booker of the show. They say, Sherry. So I've had

(09:50):
to take on a leadership role because I'm the boss
and you know, I'm always working and being a singular
talk show host, which is what you will experience because
you don't need nobody else could date being a singular
talk show host, you have to take on all of that.
You don't get to leave it at the job. It
always is with you. If somebody falls out, a guess

(10:13):
at the last minute, if something happens with one of
the producers, if somebody has to be let go, if
some I've had to talk to employees and take on
that voice.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
So sometimes you know, I bring it with me.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
And this voice stays. It's not the not that you
have to You.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Don't have to dumb anything down. But that's the feminine.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Part of Sherry, the soft part of Sherry. I keep
forgetting like that this the soft part.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
So is there part of.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Shary now that yearns for the term everyone's using now?
Is that soft life? That soft girl era?

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Sometimes? But I guess it's so funny. I went out
with somebody.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
It was very interesting. He was very very rich, he
was very very well he's very well known, very well
and it was so funny because he was like, he said, so,
what have you been doing today? I was like, I've
been investing in stocks and you know, in Vignia and
then we bought uh some shares of this and I'm
doing this and I'm doing and immediately I could see.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
I was like, where am I losing him?

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Where am I losing my god?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
So when you say losing him, did you see kind
of like that light taking away from his eye like
this might not be it like it was too.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Much for him?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Because I was it was.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I was just very confident because I was like, you're powerful.
I've got some power, so let's talk.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
In this thing.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
But I could see no, he was looking That's not
what he was looking for. He wanted to feminine.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
So we ended up watching like a movie and I
would laugh and I was like, oh and it came
back and I said, dig cheer. You got to figure out.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
How to how to navigate this thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Or he wanted to show. I think he showed me
something and I was like, oh, I don't know if.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
It was his car or something like that.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I really messed up. He showed me his car, and
I was like, oh, yeah, I used to have that.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I bought that too, So this becomes almost like a competition.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I wasn't meaning for it. I just was like, but
I got it. As related. We're on the same miss level.
I get that. And at some point I was like,
he need he needn't want that. He needs somebody who
needs him. And I don't mean to say that that's
a bad thing, you understand it, but sometimes men need
to feel needed. And I guess I was giving off

(12:27):
the energy that I got it.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I got it right, and you had it and you
got it, and you have played differently now that you
know that. Would you have been a little bit or
as they said demure, I would have been.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
More like, oh my gosh, that's yeah. I would have
been like, that's I love the car, that's a beautiful
I don't know if I would have mentioned that I
had one, right, but I was. I was doing it
like I was talking to my girlfriend, girl, I had
one of them, and you know what the engine, don't
you got to take in and get a service. I
was level to relate on right. Yes, So I probably
would have said that's a that's a great car, and
him going, what did you do today?

Speaker 4 (12:59):
It probably would.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I would have saved the other stuff for you when
we're talking, yeah, I would have softened.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
So here you are still learning, like you know.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Fifty seven?

Speaker 1 (13:11):
What tell me?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Baby?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
So you're proof that we're always learning or always growing.
There's always something new. But take me back to little
girl Cherry, one of three girls, right, correct? Yes, mom
and dad at home. You were raised Jehovah's witness all
that good stuff. So tell me about little Sherry. Did
little Sherry foresee this for Sherry today?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's not that I foresaw because little Sherry was very shy.
She always I was. I was like so shy, I
couldn't even my mother told me one time we were
at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses and she said,
I'm going to do something. Don't let anybody sit in
these seats. And somebody came and sat down, and I
was so scared to speak up. And my younger sister,

(14:03):
who now still gets in trouble because of mine, she
was like, oh, my Mama said, you can't see here.
So she had the voice. She had the voice, and
like I didn't speak up. I was very shy.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
But I always made people laugh.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Like in my family, everybody's funny, but I always made
people laugh. So when you find that voice, I found
that voice when I co hosted the View, no Way,
because I got made fun of so much for not
knowing what I was talking about. I went through a
perre where black women hated me because I made so many,

(14:38):
you know, errors on TV because as a Jehovah's witness,
we didn't vote. And I got on the View when
Barack Obama was run. I don't know nothing about politics.
I was a stand up comic. Barbara Walters wanted me
to do more serious stuff. I had everything that I
was scared to do. I had to do. I was
raised not to talk to your elders, talk bad. I

(15:00):
was raised by my father and mother. You don't don't
look me in the eye. You when I'm talking to you,
you look at the floor. So it's very hard for
me to look somebody in the eye. I was raised
not to debate everything. I was raised you speak up.
I'm sitting at the table with Whoopy gold Bird, Joy Bahar,
Barbara Walters, Elizabeth Hasseback and to find airspace was so

(15:23):
hard for me. And then they were talking about politics.
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
It felt like a fish out of water.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I felt like a fish out of water, and I
made so many mistakes. But that's why I grew.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
How did you prep for that? Because I know politics
is something that well, I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I love talking politics, so now you love it? Are
there are talking about politics? Twenty four seven?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
You know? So it was it like you go home,
I have to do homework. Did you have to find
an angle? Like you have to prepare for that environment?
You know?

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I had to realize with politics instead of overthinking it
and taking on like this great big whyew delegates and
executive branch and judicial branch? How is it affecting you
and your son the policies as a mother. And then
I ranched out from there and it was really falling
and having somebody like Bill Maher you know, talk about
me on the air, or Bill O'Reilly talk about me

(16:09):
on the air, Charlemagne even on the Breakfast Club talked
about me badly. It was being hurt so much that
I said, here, you gotta start reading. Barbara Walter's even said,
since me, she goes read a book, deer. I was like,
I did, have you read he read The Coldest Winter
the Cold wrote a book recently too.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
You should be coming out this month or next month.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I forget, I don't know, but Sister Soldiers, baby, I
had no business reading this.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Girl.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Between that and Fly Girl, my mother would have been like, honey,
I'm gonna hit you with this book. Do you know?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I actually said that to Barbara, I said, when she said,
read a book, deer, I said, sister Soldier got this
book called The Coldest Winter Ever.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
You should read.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
And when she walked away, I said, I made a
mistake and what I just said, But it was all
of the failures and the public I failed in public.
I didn't get to fail, you know, in private.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
So when did you develop this thick skin? Is that
a persona that Sherry has to maintain because she's in
the public eye. What's it like when you go home
and you take off the makeup and you know, take
off the.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Hair, and you know, take off.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
To take off the hair, when you go home and
you're by yourself, what does that feel like for you?
The scrutiny, the eyes, the criticism.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I think it's because I failed so much publicly that
I learned to joy Bayhart said, something that resonated with
me in my entire life. She said, Sherry, as soon
as you open your mouth, half the world is gonna
hate you. So you it's always you know, you have
to learn to not take all of that on. And
I felt like, oh, I'm the black person at the table,

(17:49):
so I got to I'm the Christian, so I have
to be this way. And it was John Murray, who
is my best friend and he's executive producer of the show.
He would tell me you can't take on the way
of all black people, Sherry, You're not strong enough. And
so I learned.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
And I will give you a great example.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
There used to be a blog site called I Hate
Daytime Talk Shows, and every time I got aft off
the show, I would go in these sites.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
On the internet.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
So you were glad for punishment, Sherry, and I had
to read everything about me.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
What are they say?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And their purpose behind reading everything? Was it that you
wanted to find out how to better no validation.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I needed them.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
You wanted to see a positive comments.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
And they hated me all the time, they always and
they said Cherry is not authentic, She's a fake. You know.
She and I've had abortions in the past, and I
remember they said, you know, she talked about having abortions
and she wasn't even sorry for it. So I said, Okay,
I'm gonna go on TV the next day and we
were talking about Banns Shoes girl, and I said, I
had abortions and I'm so sorry for it, and I'm

(18:49):
so and I've just got emotional to abortion because I
wanted to get it in because redemption and I talked
about it and Whoopee was looking at me like what
what in the world. And I got on that site
I hate daytime talk and they said Sherry is just
hated me for did you see how she faked was
emotional faith? And I said, that's when I really can't

(19:11):
lose for trying. You can't lose for trying, and you
can't make people like you. So now I'm like, here's
my criteria for social media because I.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Get people that don't like me. People are gonna hate you.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
People are gonna hate you because they're in fear because
they didn't set out themselves. Absolutely, people are gonna hate
you because they're envious. People are gonna.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Hate you because they travel the road of mediocrity.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
They travel the road of mediocrity.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
They don't they're too they don't take a risk, and
they're people who like you are gonna not like you.
You can't make people happy. And if people, first of all,
if you haven't sent me a card and asked about Jeffrey,
if you haven't sent him twenty dollars for his birthday,
if you haven't tried to help me with my mortgage,
if you haven't prayed with me, I don't care what

(19:53):
you think. Yes, so people who's because it's always somebody
who be like you ain't cute? You think you and
I go sist, step out and take a risk.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Sex, you'll be you actually think I'm cute. That's the problem.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's you don't want to take so it would it
serves you to criticize and always try to be positive.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
So that's why I don't pay.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I feel for younger people who are on social media
because it's such a different time in youth and you
want to get valid and you want all this love
and it's like you'll never get it. The lights all that,
and everybody's picky.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
You know this girl love you one day and the
same people hate you the next. Then they love you to.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's like fickles have fickle fickle if you don't have
your cousins and your mama and your husband. That's the
core people. I got a core group of girlfriends. When
niece Nash calls me and checks me, her, I listen
to a third.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Of the time.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You take some things with I completely get it. All right, y'all,
stay right there. We're going to take a sure break
and come right back to you. So Sherry multi hyphen it.
You do all the things actress Radian. Everything is anything
like the top for you, Like, what do you really enjoy?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
I feel like this is such a pet answer.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'm so blessed, Like it makes me cry that God
has allowed me to do all of the things that
I love. So I feel like it's hard to it's
hard to pick one because it's always been my dream
to be a talk show host. It is always, and
you know this, when it's like that dream that has

(21:41):
hadn't come to pass, it's always. I love doing stand up.
I love making on the stage just me and myself
and with my life making somebody feel better about what
I've gone through, Like when I went through a relationship
breakup and it had with single talked about it on stage,
and I had so many women coming up to me, going,

(22:03):
I'm going through the same thing. So I love being
able to make people feel better with laughter. I love
being able to I just finished this movie with Tyler Perry,
you know, like I love acting. I love, you know,
writing books. I'm working on the children's book right now,
so I'm so thankful. And they're all different animals. So

(22:25):
I love acting. I'm miss acting. I want to do
a sitcom where I make people laugh even while I'm
doing the talk show. So what's my favorite all of
all the things? You know?

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Specifically look at you as a comedian, because I'm thinking
of the talk show space, right, I have to have
the personality like people tend to err on the side
of comedy and make people laugh even if it's a
serious topic. But in this day and age, I feel
like people are so hypersensuive about all the things my
good So how do you navigate this ever evolving ecosystem

(22:57):
of sensitivity that people have as a comedian when you
want to spit facts but doing it in jest, how
do you navigate that girl, so you not canceled every
two seconds? I feel like every comedian is canceled for
saying something that people really want to say. Anyway, girls
like I can't say it.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Kadeen, I did a joke about my son. He's on
the autism spectrum, and I did a joke and I said,
sometimes I feel like he ain't autistic. I feel like
I'm being bamboozo. I feel like this book and when
I tell you the number of people that wrote in,
they were offended. They were And I'm like, and my
son is like, I gotta find humor, and some of
the stuff that he does, I gotta and you get

(23:36):
so many people to come against you. So doing a
talk show, it's a little bit more tricky because I
always want to find funny, but I don't want people
to be hurt by my funny. Like because number one,
Woopy said this to me. She said, because we were
on the view and it was a hot topic and
there was a certain person I can't even say names

(23:57):
because will be gonna kill me.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Who them something to somebody that we know.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
And I said, I know he did that on purpose,
and I know this happened to her because of him,
and I want to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
And Whoopy said, we're not going to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
And I was like, I'm telling you, he do this
to women all the time, and he always and I
want to like, we got the platform, and she said.
And then of course, since Whoopy said she wasn't gonna
do it, everybody was like, well, I'm not doing it either.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
So I went into.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Whoopee's room and I said, Whoopee, why you shoot this
down because everybody knows this particular superstar did this to
this woman. And but and this is what she said
to me. She said, Sherry, if you go up in
the club, she said, first of all, celebrities have long memories,
and you're going to work beyond the view you are
an actress, yes, And she said, so if you walk

(24:47):
into a comedy club or a club and he sees
you and he decides he want to pop you in
the mouth, ain't nobody gonna do nothing there, gonna pull
out this help. They're not gonna do anything, right, she said,
But if Elizabeth Hasselbacker asking the club, I don't do
nothing to her. And she said, so they have long
memories and you have to remember that. So that informs
how I do things on this show. Like I come

(25:08):
in from a place of love and you know, light
and light laughter. So I want celebrities to know when
Cherry's making fun of me, she's coming from a place
of love where they don't feel like I'm being mean
because I do have any but in this day and age,
sometimes they don't. And I still have to go and
work and take care of my son, and I don't

(25:30):
want anybody like. I saw a celebrity at the comedy store.
Now it was stuff about him and the Sherry wanted
to get on the chair and be like anyway and
talk about him. But thankfully my best friend John, He's like, now,
where can we come in from a lighter place where
people are going to be inspired?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
And I did? And do you know afterwards, I went
to La I went to a club, walked in and
that person was right there and he hugged me and
he was like, hey, sis, now he's hugging me.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
My face was like this, but he said, I thank
you for what you said.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
It really it made me feel so good and I
appreciate that, and sists, if you want me to come
on your show, I will be happy. He stayed and
watch me do my set. He was like, oh my God,
like we gotta like, I gotta, can you come do
something with And I was like, okay, absolutely, that could
have went a different way. I'm a woman, I'm a singer,
you know, And I think about that all the time
because I'm out in these streets.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
I did so many different things.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
So you never know when someone's gonna spend the block
and you have to either work with them or they
making a decision. Absolutely, And if I was even saying
it the other day about some PA's who have now
were PA's years ago and they're now executive producers and
they're calling the shots and they're making the decisis and
they remember that they remember every single interaction.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
There are some people who will never set foot on
my couch because of how they treated me in the industry.
And they come to me and go they don't remember,
but I remember how I felt in their presence, and
they will call me, go girl, when you're gonna bring
me on your show, I'm gonna never phone near the
never ary. I'm gonna put that on the T shirt

(27:11):
girl like that. Yes, they would never be on the
and and people say, but what would Jesus do? Well,
I'm not Jesus. My name Cherry that Jesus will let
them come on and get them a word. You don't
get to come on, no, sir, so you're not work.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I want to show you something, Sherry, show me really,
Coret Clay, let me pull it up with this.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
I want to let you know I'm probably saying stuff
I shouldn't even be saying.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
No, baby, transparate this atmosphere of comfort. We can just yeah, good,
good and you do good.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Thank you. I was actually going to ask you for
feedback later, like how to do this makes me very
happy because you're walking in, walking in your purpose. Awesome.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Thank you, my love. All right, So take a look.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Here now with me, right now, I have none other
than the hilarious. I'm really doing great. Is I'm in
a room for the mothers.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
I'm really doing good.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Tell me about the event tonight and what it means
to you to be here for celebrity women and doing
both things. They're juggling home and heart.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
You know, it's really inspiring to be around these these
mothers because I'm learning different tips of how to balance
my life because I think mother wig the spinning plates.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Before I had my son Jeffrey, I was living, eating greer.
I was always hustling. I everybody knew me. Oh my goodness, Jeffrey,
both of us and you got there and everything else.
I started learning to say no, and I've turned down

(28:47):
projects because it took me away from Jeffrey. How good
you are?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Burning down names are come to me tenfold.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
I never wanted to be one of those homes that
were Sam come to me and twenty one.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
You were never there, so I wanted him and I
always know you are the most important thing in my life.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Not a show, not a talk show, not a sitcom
talk show.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Oh my gosh, God, thank you.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Talk about a full circle moment about living and walking
in purpose, talk about God ordering our steps and opening
the doors.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
In the windows. Baby. So that was okay.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I went to school for broadcast journal I'm going to do.
I went to school for broadcast journalism and it got
my masters and speech communication, rhetorical studies, and performance. So
this has always been since the beginning of time for me,
and looking at that, it was what is God's confirmation
for you? God's confirmation for me is that this is
what It's funny that we watched that because we talked

(29:49):
about the things you had to say no to because
it didn't serve you and your son and your family
in that moment. And my confirmation came from actually me
recently canceling a live show. Oh, I had planned a
live tour show, and having the guts to say I'm
not going to do this, I'm going to cancel took
a lot because of course there's a speculation like, oh,

(30:10):
why did she cancel? What happens? The first of all,
I'm not pregnant.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
That's the first thing. Oh darn, it's not it.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
I love when you get pregnant, Devo too.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
That's the process. But no, it was it was in
those moments where I had to navigate and change plans
and pivot that the doors opened further and why yeah,
And that for me, try not to get emotional because
it's not supposed to be there. It's supposed to be
that the way around. But that for me in those
moments when I have Sherry Shepherd who answers my husband's

(30:42):
call and says, yes, Kadeen, I'll sit with you. A
couple of other people who I've reached out to for
my live show they said, Okay, the live show is
not happening. But when can we chat? The people who
are saying yes to me is literally my confirmation from God.
Like Kadeen, you're moving in the way you're supposed to move.
In the past ten years, I've dedicated so much time,

(31:03):
especially to my family, to growing my family and to
being that present mom. And in the video that we
just watched, you talked about say no to opportunities because
Jeffrey was of utmost importance as a mother and the
door is opened and other directions that you could not
have even fathomed.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
I think that's so I love that you speak that
because I think it's so true. That's I believe is
our first assignment as we're mothers, we're wives, and you
just you put it aside. It wasn't to know, it
was just not yet because you had to be a

(31:41):
force in your family. You were there for your husband,
you were there for your kids. And I just believe
that God honors that and he brings it to you
when it's supposed to happen. Absolutely, and it's for me
with Jeffrey's same thing. I turned down so many things
and I was like, Lord, did I make a mistake?
Did I? But I didn't. I really didn't want him

(32:04):
to say you were never there on Jew Jeffrey's nineteen
Now he says other stuff, Why you in my room?
Why how come you keep calling me? But he never
says you were never They were never there.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
You sit in here and you don't want him to
be twenty one and say that that was.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Eleven years ago, that was eleven years ago.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And he can't say that.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
He can That's the one thing he does not say,
like and so I just know that God. Sometimes I say, God,
why did you give this blessing to me? When you
know my memory? I mean, forget girl. When I tell
you A big superstar was sitting on the couch across
from me, and I was like, what is his name?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Again?

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Family?

Speaker 3 (32:38):
How many like that? Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (32:40):
And I said he's a heart throat, said in the moment,
and then just.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Name when I tell you? And they could tell I
was panicking. I was like, I don't remember prompter.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
I was like, sweetie, who are you?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Who are you telling you? I'm on your flipp it.
But I was like, and you give me this blessing
when I don't have as much energy as I would
have had in my twenties.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
I'd have been.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Ripping and run, more stories to tell.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
But I'm have more life.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
You've lived more.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
I've lived more. I was confidence, and it's because I
just took a little break and I made sure Jeffrey
was okay.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
And it's great to have the support of not only
my husband, but women like you in the industry who
are taking the time to help push me forward and
to help mentor me and to help further confirm where
I'm supposed to be. I was reading an article where
someone was interviewing Lena Waithe and she said that no
one should go to their grave with a dream deferred.

(33:40):
And I've learned over time that a denial in a
moment is not necessarily a no, that it's just deferred
to a later time when you're better able and equipped
to receive that blessing and be a blessing to others
because it's not just about us, which we've said. So
I'm in that space now where I feel like, no
longer am I going to self sabotage and say you're

(34:00):
not ready for this in this moment. You're no longer
going to procrastinate because you say you're a perfectionist, but
you're not really a perfectionist. You're really just out here
trying to buy time. Yes, I've realized as I watched
my children grow. I have a thirteen year old, which
is insane to me, girl, and those moments when I
look at him, it really gives me that real life,
physical perspective of how time flies goes by so fast.

(34:22):
It goes by so fast, and I'm just trying to
live in it. Now, I'm in a space where I'm
just living in it, and I'm like, God, order my
steps where I'm supposed to be in those rooms. There's
rooms that I haven't even been in that people are
already talking about me and my name and who I am.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
And I receive that, Well, you're going to touch people
that other people will not be able to touch. That's
why He's putting you there, like we all you know, yeah,
we have just speaking of black women who have a
talk show. So it's Tameron Hall, it's Jennifer Hudson, it's
me and you got you know, folks who are part
of a panel like a Whoop we go bird. But

(34:59):
there's so much room here, and there's an audience of
people that God wants to be reached through you and
you're absolutely walking in it. And so you know, sometimes
we do, we procrastinate and we try to be perfectionists.
But that's I think it's also because we're scared, absolutely
because God don't require you to be a perfectionist. He

(35:21):
just requires you to show show up and do the work.
He requires you to show up and then he'll do
the rest. But your move of faith is just standing
there going I'm here, I don't know what to do.
That's how I felt my first my first day when
doing this talk show Kadeen, I was like I got
a pan. I get into a panic, of course, and

(35:43):
I said, Okay, how am I going to be different
from there's so many talk show hosts.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Lord, what am I going to do? I don't have, Like,
I don't have a monologue, I don't have what.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Am I supposed to like do? I just start out?
And first of all, he was like, calm down, watch
your tone. You get you question. And it was then
it was literally like this voice said, you just talked
to Oprah two days ago. Just tell the story the

(36:12):
way you're gonna tell the story about the advice she
gave you.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
And that was my first monologue.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
And it was like and then God sends people into
your life to confirm. And then another sister said to me,
you have to walk into what is he has already written.
So he's already written it for you, you just gotta
walk in it. And then another sister said, Cherry, just
show up and he'll do the rest. And so whenever
I get nervous and I go, Lord, I don't have

(36:38):
any jokes, I don't feel funny, nothing is hitting me.
I don't remember the story I'm supposed to do, the
teleprompter has gone out. I'm just sitting here. I go.
All you want me to do is show up and
you'll do the rest. And that's what he's doing for you.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Thank you, And I think thank you for that, Sherry.
And I truly believe that I'm not going to touch everybody.
I'm not gonna be liked by everybody, but the people
who are for you are for you. We've even realized
that in our social media journey. You know, take me
or leave me, that's it, Take mere, leave me. Have
you ever felt like you know what I have to
kind of like style step and curtail. You know how

(37:15):
I speak, or the way I move or the job
I take because that will then eventually get people to
buy into what I'm doing now, like throughout your journey,
ycause you've done so many things.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
I have coming up Okay, And that's why I love
that I'm not my twenties anymore. In these thirties because
I felt like I wanted everybody to like me. I
always said yes, because I felt like I just if
you could depend on me, then you'll like me. If
you will, if you like me, then you're gonna need me.
You'll need me, And it doesn't work out that way.

(37:46):
So now with this show, I see why he gave
it to me at this age because if this is
I'm Auntie, No, No, it's my go to.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
There is something about forty. I turned forty in December.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
M h.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
And what happened baby.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Once I hit the fourth floor. Yes, it was a
process and it took some tragic events for me to
get to this point. But baby, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
You don't care.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
This is who I am. It is you love it,
you don't. Oh well, oh well, because like you said,
no one's putting twenty dollars in that card to my kids.
Absolutely're not looking for the bill to be paid. They're
not doing anything with the lifestyle that I am now
building for my family. So there's something about it. So
you're telling me that there's.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Even more girl when you get to my neighborhood, when
you get to my block.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
When I get to the fifth it's even more man.
From the fifth flip oh can get and when you
get to the fifth floor girl, when I tell you,
it is a freedom of not really caring, like if
you're respectful. I read all my comments.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I do.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I read them because there's a lot of people who
are just respectful.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
One one lady said, cheer. I love you so much,
but you gotta breathe like.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
You keep talking. I'm talking so fast. That's that's that rate.
There was not disrespectful. It's because she cared and she's
like her. And so I read and I go, thank
you so much. And then I get the bad ones
and I don't care. But I sit in this space
when things are offered to me, I'm not afraid to
say no, and I go. If you don't like me,

(39:17):
then there's other people that there's other flavors that you
can get with. But if you do, come on over
to this side and let me take you on a journey,
but otherwise my life is still moving. I don't have
a lot of time to give energy to people and
trying to change and trying to because I think the
moment you try to change to become what you think
people want.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
You to be is the moment you start to fail
and you lose that authenticity.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
You lose the authenticity because it's.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
A hard facade to keep up with. People always ask
the value, like how a y'all able to do content
and do videos and type a podcast? I said, because
we literally are speaking our truth through the life in
real time and we're okay sharing that. Because what happens
with sharing is that you are now kind of opening
up a community of people that feel like I'm not alone. Right,
someone can resonate with this. I am going through the

(40:03):
same thing too. You don't feel like you're the anomaly anymore. Yeah,
there's like a camaraderie in sharing that if you are
positive and you're looking for the positivity in it, that
you could really grow from there. You go, let's pivot
back real quick too. When you wanted to become a mom.
We have a lot of women who listen to the
show and the purpose of a day with k when
I have a lot of my women on we're talking

(40:25):
about the woman three sixty, So what does she look
like on different perspectives? Right, because I'm thinking about just
like spinning a top, and we're doing all these things
all the time. Right, at what point did you say,
you know what I want to become a mom. You
didn't have the conventional route of motherhood. You went through surrogacy.
You said you had a couple abortions in the past too,
So at what point did you say, you know what
this is for me? This is the route I'm going

(40:46):
to have to take and being okay with that?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
You know, I felt a lot of guilt. I was
young when I went through abortions. I was just young,
just wasn't thinking. And then they came back to bite
me in the butt of feeling guilt because it was
very hard for me to get pregnant, and all those
guilt feelings came back. And I made peace with it
because a woman came up to me at a faith

(41:11):
conference and she said, because I felt so guilty, and
I was like this, I'm cursed so I can't have
a baby. And she said to me, she said, Sherry,
I need you to name the babies, and she said,
because when you get up to heaven, because that's where
you're going. She said, when you get up there, they're
gonna be waiting for you, and they're gonna be waiting
with their arms wide open, saying Mama, Oh my God.
And I tell you I cried. I cried, and I

(41:33):
felt God's just forgiveness come over me, and so I
can talk about it like that, yes, because I know
that He's forgiven. But then it was like once that happened,
it was like something released in me. And then then
I went through that I don't know if I can
do this. I don't know if I'm going to be
a good mother because I came from a you know,

(41:53):
generations of single mothers in my family that we were
always having to do it by ourself. So I was like,
I'm want to bring that child into the world. And
then so I got married and I finally was like,
oh kayah, and then everything went to hell and a
handbasket and I was a single mother with a child
that has special needs. So it is it's it's been

(42:17):
a journey, like being a mother and feeling like I'm enough,
you know, and being with Jeffrey. I love being a mama,
but I go through Gosh, I go through something, especially
if you have a son and he's black with special needs.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Every day it's probably like label, label, label, but.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I always worry every day, Like Jeffrey is different, he
processes differently, so I worry. He's nineteen. He looks like
he's twenty three. But if you were to looked at
my son, you would see a fourteen year old. You'd see,
you know, And I go, well, the police recognize that
my son's you know, my son doesn't want to have
a label. When I say, if your phone runs out, babe,

(42:58):
tell people you are to stick and you just trying
to get in touch with their mom. And my son says,
I'm not going to tell people that because I'm not. WOW.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
So he doesn't subscribe.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
He doesn'tscribe.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
He was misdiagnosed wow up until the time he's nineteen.
He was diagnosed with that at sixteen.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Is that why you say that sometimes you feel like
he's like tricking you, like he's.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Not sometimes feeling because he's so smart.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Right, Because Dakoda, our two year old, was diagnosed as
speech delayed. Yeah, and you know, we went to see
a therapist. Of course, you know, all hands on deck.
Now we're all talking to him every day, like Dakota.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
Here and check.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
We do all these things because of course, as a parent,
you do your due diligence, you see, and make sure
that your child is okay with all the resources. And
after a couple of months, the Coda starts talking. And
now he's talking up a storm, and we're thinking to ourselves,
I think he duped us the whole time. And he's like,
he's like, y'all mofos up in his house talking. I God,
damn day, all seven of y'all because my parents live

(43:50):
with us. So he's like between my parents talking asses,
between my brothers giving me what I want, between my
grandparents talking for me. Why do I have to talk?
So it's funny how sometimes these children, we do all
the things, and they have these labels they want to
place on our black boys. But then it's like, no, baby,
my baby, My baby knows what's going on.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
He's so he's so very smart. My son will recognize.
We saw a basketball star from the seventies. He was
crossing the street and Jeffrey goes, that's so and so,
and he made this many.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Three pointers in Then I was like, first of all,
who is that?

Speaker 3 (44:22):
I was an all black man and I said, excuse me, sir,
are you I can't remember his name and he said,
yes I am, And I said my son, Like, can
you take a picture of him? Because he knows you?
And he was so like, I believe it. Jeffrey's just
like he's just he knows all the stats and things.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
And at that point, you're like, you want to be
on my show. I know it's like, oh you.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Somebody, you somebody somebody, But yeah, a lot of times
I feel Jeffrey. He's so smart in different things. But
I also go, shiy, are you doing the right thing
for Jeffrey? Are you too protective? Are you too? I've
had to let go of a lot because I don't
have a partner with me raised Jeffrey of really releasing him.
My girlfriend. You always have to have a girlfriend that

(45:04):
like talk to God like every day.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
She don't want to.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
She want to say God told me, and I literally
she said to me, because I'm so protective of Jeffrey,
And she said, God said to tell you you got
to release him. And I said, what does that mean?
She said, he said, who knows Jeffrey better his mother
or the one who created him. You've got to release
him to me. And so even moving out here to

(45:28):
New York, I didn't want to do it because my
village is in la And she said, God said, New
York is not for you, Sherry, it is for Jeffrey.
That is where he will find his independence. And when
I tell you this boy walks to the bodega by himself,
he picks he gets the ubers by himself. He done
lost about ten of the house keys, and you know,
Jeffrey's like.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Well, whatever, we're going to another one.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
No, Jeffrey, were not behind gated community, you would get
not to say, are.

Speaker 7 (45:53):
You the man that's just like, now everybody gonna get
in my house?

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yes, mother, I'm like everybody from prison. Don't take that
uber and find those keys.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And don't come up and kill everybody because you then
lost it. And he's like, well then I won't get
another one, and I get your mom thing to do.
We always go to the worst case, the worst case baby.
But he's so independent, Like he went to Times Square
by himself, to daven Busters to play video games and
like he and I'm like Jeffrey, and he's like, stop

(46:22):
calling me. I'm fine, Stop texting me. And I texted
him Kadeen, and I said, Jeffrey, I just wanted because
he texted me. He said, I'm going to a restaurant.
Because they don't money don't mean nothing because they got
Apple pay. They think money falls from the phone. From
the phone, he says, I'm going to get something to eat.
So I was sitting here like this and I texted
him and said, are you okay? And I called because
he didn't answer. I says, it's everything okay. He goes, Mom,

(46:44):
I don't call you when you're eating your lunch. Why
are you calling me when I'm eating my lunch?

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Everything is fine?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Why keep calling me?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
You got life through sixty on his phone job, I
got life three six, I got.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Life eight eighty, I got it all. Yeah, I got
a lasting girl. When I tell you, I so just
the letting go and letting. I've had to let men
into his life because I'm not a man. So there's
things that a man can teach Jeffrey that I just can't.
I used to let that boy take a shower and
put He puts the towel right above his dad on

(47:14):
a yeah, and there was a man do Hughley or
Cat Williams. Somebody was like, Sherry, he got to drop
the towel, he got to drop the town put it
on the stomach.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
And I said, well, I don't want Florid to get all.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Wet, Sherry, Listen, we had an incident recently three days
ago in our house. Jackson had a basketball game, okay,
and Javal said, you know, he wasn't playing hard and
he's gonna let these kids pump him. And he's growing
up in this part of Georgia and he's not in
the streets like I.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Wasn't in Brooklyn. And I need to drop him off
in a park in Brooklyn so he can get a
man up.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
So he's carrying on after the game, right, And of
course the mom is like, I just want to just hug,
just hug them. Yes, some leting that Val do his things.
I never want to underman mine a bad moment or
a teachable moment in his eyes. And I've never been
a boy before, but been a man, don't aspire to
be one. So I'm like, listen, I'm going to let
you know, lean on you for those moments. So they
got we got home. I'm thinking everything is okay, but

(48:09):
I'm noticing there's an air between Jackson and Deval. They're
kind of passing each other the Vols pissed, you know.
And then Jackson's kind of like walking through to because
he's thirteen, so he's starting to feel himself a little right.
So Deval leaves the gym sweaty, says he's going to
take a shower. I said, all right, cool, I'll meet
you upstairs. And then I hear like a rustling, tussling
situation upstairs, and I'm like, these kids didn't go to

(48:30):
bed dick Because I'm looking at the time, I'm like
thinking it's hair own cash jumping off the bunk beds.
Jackson and Devl from my point of view, are fighting,
like physically fighting. So then my mom comes around the
corner and she's like, we can't let this happen, and
she's sprinting up the stairs and I'm like, Doesval what's

(48:50):
going on? And as I'm like, literally, Jackson's on the floor,
then Deval's on the floor, and they're fighting in my
eyes and my mom's eyes. So we get upstairs and
they go into Jackson's room and de Val closes the
door and he was like, I'm having a moment with Jackson,
leave us alone. So my mother busts through the door
and she's like, you're not gonna do this.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
You're not doing this show my grandson.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
So de Val was just like, this is my house
and now I'm gonna do what I want to do
with my sons and if you can't respect that, and
I was like, whoa, it became a thing, Sherry, right.
So once everything calmed down after, Deval was like, did
you really think that I was going to hurt our son.
I've never raised the hand to you, never raised the
hand to Our kids don't even get spanked. We're the

(49:30):
parents that unlike what you said growing up, you don't
look in the eye and you kind of just listen
and you don't speak back. We have very candid, eye
to eye locked in conversations with our boys. And he said,
did you really think that I would do that? And
I said, Deval, I said, I don't think you would
do that. However, based on the tone for the day

(49:51):
and what I heard and then seeing you guys looking
like it wasn't like a little slack box and to me,
I'm looking at y'all like y'all are tussling and fighting,
and then he uses the relation between like a lion
and a cub, and you know, the cub jumping on
the lion and fighting him and then biting the lion,
the daddy lion and guided lions like, oh my god,
I'm so hurt, so that the lion cub can feel empowered, like,

(50:14):
oh I beat my dad. Wow.

Speaker 7 (50:16):
I said, if we were having a lion king moment,
and if I was supposed to be so robbie, you
should let me know what's happening, like, like, let me know, given,
so I can keep mom at bay, and then I
can stay at Basically, y'all can have y'all moment, child,
because from I'm looking up in the stairways, what I'm seeing,
I'm seeing you tussling with my baby. So the first thing,

(50:37):
as a mom I'm gonna do is run to his
defense exactly. So in that moment, it was just so
funny to me because I'm like, I can't teach Jackson.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Certain things I would have never known, and I would
have never known that that was the process. I have
never known that a boy needs to feel empowered and
that is a way that he can be because I'm
a woman.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
That is confidence, so I'm gonna fight.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Oh exactly. I teach Jeffrey how to avoid conflict and
that's literally what moms do.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
And then, of course we spoke to mom after and
devout apologize for raising his vote and all that, but
my mom was like, we teach them to diffuse situations.
Especially as a young black man growing up in America.
You don't want to be the antagonizer. And dev I
was like, yeah, but you also don't want to be
someone's doormat. You have to walk around with a persona
and a confidence that people know, don't mess with me.

(51:29):
And it starts even on the basketball court. I'm like,
I didn't know. I thought he was being a team player, Like,
oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
That's why I'm at the basketball court when I see
what I would see Jeffrey, and I'd be like, y'all
talk to each other. Stop talking to each other like
that be nice. And he was like, but that's that's
the thing.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
You know why I had to allow men and I
had to pray about that. Oh man, Lord put the
right men in Jeffrey's life and you pray for the
discernment to the discernment to allow them to you know,
because I would have men that would say, Jeffrey, when
I shake your hand, come on, look at.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Me, tell me what your name is. Firm, I would say, oh, y'all.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
One a friend was teaching him, like how to ride
a back and I was like, he can't ride that far.
You talking about up the hills and downs and down
the fact he only can go to a house. And
then he came back. He was like, Mommy, we rode
all the way to Kim Whitley's house. And I was like,
that's ten of miles. What are you doing a match?
And he was like he could do and do it.
And men are the tears. Don't bother men. For us

(52:38):
as mothers, we are that nurturing for sure, you know.
And I've and it's speaking about that. We'll now we
go home and go Jeffrey, come on, fight me, come on,
fight me. He's gonna be right, this lady going on.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
But it's apparently like a known fact though, that when
the boys are with their fathers that they get their oxytocin,
which is that cuddle hormone, that that that yearn to
be with their dad through play, fighting, playing sports, running
and all that, whereas with moms they get that from

(53:12):
cuddling and closeness and skin to skin. So it's a
very different dynamic and.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Serves such different purposes. See, he spent thirty days with
his dad as camp counselor, and he didn't call me
one time, And I was like, what did you and
your daddy doing?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Right?

Speaker 4 (53:27):
And his father was like, let I got him.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
He can do it. But see with you, bactly, he
can't do it me.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
He won't do it, and they will. They will push that.
Jackson's doing his laundry now, I said, you know, told
my mom, I said, Jackson thirteen, I said, every Sunday
or everybody wants to plan his schedule out. Yes, he's
responsible for his laundry.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
Now.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
He already has so many responsibilities. And you're gonna make
him do laundry too, Oh my goodness. But after I'm
washing everybody's clothes, Why I can't just wash his close to,
I said, Grandma, because you won't be at college to
wash his draw wash. He needs to learn how to
set rate, full drive, pack away and all that. Like
we're trying to raise men so we're looking for a

(54:05):
house for Mimi and Papa because we're like, listen, y'all
are enabling these boys too much. And if the bell
I got to fight them to get them to be men,
because y'all hear, you know, waiting on them hand and foot,
Then we're gonna have to figure out how to make
this work. Well, Jeffrey, how do you even told the
line between being like friend disciplinarian parents? Like how do
you you navigate that?

Speaker 4 (54:25):
You know, it's funny because.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
It seems like it's pretty difficult for you, Sherry.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
But you know it's funny.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Because I've raised Jeffrey to speak sometimes. I didn't raised
them to speak too much because I came from a
place like when we say that's enough, you stop. Jeffrey's like, yeah,
but Mom, why But you know, but I saw you
do this, and I'm like, okay, now you're pulling up receipts, Jeffrey, Ah,
you're pulling up receipts in the way I was. I can't, Oh,

(54:50):
why do I let you have this freedom to talk
to me?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Baby?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
But you know it's so funny because I do feel
like at some point Jeffrey and I we are close
like that. We are close like friends, but he still
knows I'm your mother, you know. And there's sometimes I'll
let Jeffrey he wants to tell me a story, but
they cursed, and I go, Jeffrey, you can curse. You
can say the curse and you will fly with the
curse words. And I'm like, Okay, now it's enough, Jeffrey.

(55:16):
But Jeffrey will come and tell me when he you know,
like a girl. He likes and we do, and I
like him to talk because I say, Jeffrey, you got
to tell me stuff because I can't protect you if
I don't know. And it keeps me involved. So I'm
very thankful for that. But raising a boy is you
know who I'm thankful for boy rather because girls are

(55:37):
are something they have issues. But it has been such
a it has been such a wonderful journey, and I've
definitely needed God, you know, for me. With Jeffrey Darling.
I let him use the bathroom. Will It took me
a long time to let him go to the bathroom
by himself. I find a man to go. Can you

(55:57):
go in there and make sure my son.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Is exactly baby, I'll I'm still trying to take Jackson
to the woman's bathroom and he's like, Mom, I'm thirteen now,
I said, just predators everywhere. Just with that.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
It was at about thirteen, Jeffrey said, I'm not going
in there, mom, with the with the girls. And then
somebody told me Jesus is always a comic. They say,
you gotta let Jeffrey his pants aren't supposed to hang
down fall to the floor.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Sherry and I said, what are you talking about? Because
they went in the tower.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
It was the town. He was like, he can't let
his butt be showing in the puppy bathroom and I
said I didn't know because I didn't want him.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I was teaching him to aim for the cheerios the toilet.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
I didn't want the pants, and he so to go
and down was like, Jeffrey, pull up your pants when
you go to I said, well, a least I wouldn't
like somebody else. And they made him sit on the
toilet at.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Lisa, Lisa can stand up girl.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Let me say, we have a bathroom in our house
that we call I call it the gas station bathroom
because it's the one bathroom in the house that the
boys and my dad used Austin. I never send guests
there or anything. I will never know what you're gonna
walk in to sit on, you know. So that's the
gas station bathroom I make.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Jeffrey he washes his clothes by himself, except he always
throws it. He never takes. I keep saying, check the dryer,
because my stuff is in there. Girl. He then threw
towels in there with my stuff, his clothes. Ohtak My
stuff then shrunk. But he cleans his bathroom every Saturday.
He's got a bucket and the gloves. And I make

(57:24):
because I said, you're not gonna have some woman saying
to you, you're nasty ass, quick.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
To blame, blame us, to blame the mother devalles miss,
the social butterfly. And you know there's a select few
of people that he will invite by the house. And
I said, can you at least give me a head
up when someone's coming by a so I'm not just
in my braw right. And then too, because if someone
comes to your house and you're not accommodating, you're not
a good host, or things are out of place, they're
not gonna blame you the exactly you as if I'm
not over here juggling all the things you've been working out.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Sherry, though, girl just came from the gym. You see here,
you've been locked in. I've been locked in.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Was like a turning point for you where you were
just like, O, I got to lock in. I know
you struggle with the diabetes thing, and you know all
that get in controlled, so locked into your health.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Yeah, I get locked into my health because, Jeffrey said,
because I'm also a type two diabetic, diabetes runs in
my family. You know I have, We've lost family members
to diabetes, and so I'm very passionate about that. And
I just realized. Jeffrey said to me one time, Kaden,
I think I was eating a candy bar or something
because I was stressed out. I'm a stress eater. And
he said, Mommy, Mommy, if you die, who's going to

(58:30):
be my bodyguard?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Oh? No?

Speaker 3 (58:31):
And I said what? Because when I eat chocolate raising
my blood sugar and then I get eared of bil.
I was like, what are you talking about? He goes,
if you die, who's going to take care of me?
And that really hit me, wow, because I lost my
mother when I was in my early twenties. Twenty two
she was forty one. Wow, she was very young when
she passed away, and she left a girl to raise
her two sisters who didn't know what she was doing.

(58:51):
I don't know what I was doing by myself, but
I had to learn to learn because my mother was
not there. And I love people who have their mothers
in their lives. There's so many times I would love
to call my mother and go, what do I do?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Well?

Speaker 3 (59:05):
We could be friends now, but I'm very passionate about
my health because to me, it's like it ain't about
fitting in a size six gens or putting on a bikini.
It's literally I look at that boy, Jeffrey, and I go,
I need to be here. We were talking about because
my father has dementia and he's in a facility that

(59:25):
we care for him. And I said, Jeffrey, I was
explaining what Alzheimer's was, and he said, so that means
you might not remember me?

Speaker 4 (59:33):
And I said, no, no, Jeffrey, I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I don't have that. He said, oh good, because I
don't know what I would do if you couldn't remember me.
And it was just like it was again those moment confirmation, Sure,
you gotta do whatever you can do to take care
of your health, and then you're trusting in God for sure.
I'm so you know at this age, girl, welcome to
the club. You're gonna be wiser, not say no, it's
all those great things, but it's also then you're gonna
realize your muscle start to melt. Unless you do heavyweight, anyweight,

(59:57):
you gonna have more protein in your life. It's like
my timeline on Instagram is not feel.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
With people who like okay SOUTHIEK.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
My timeline is you need more magnesium, you need potassium.
These are the foot exercises you do when you wake up,
just lower backstretches. Just when you got your hips is
too tight. I'm like, oh my god, I ain't gonna
be to use my hips just sex. Like that's what
my timeline is. It's like all of like this is
what you should say, like low carbs, high protein.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
That is what my right before you came in down
like I don't get my side bowl because you know,
thank you, we can't even eat the things when you
said I ordered French toast and bacon this morning for him.
He had one bite and that was it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
That's it. Now Now it's like it's it's about taking
care of your health.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
And it's internally internally.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
So it's great the perks I being able to wear
great things, but if you're not internally.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Feeling good, that's a fact.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
It's hard to take care of everybody else. It's hard
to deal with with, you know, because Black women are
having more heart attacks because of stress and and because my.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Mom hell and that's stress and too young. Stress and
stress induce because we as.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Black women, we handle so much. We have to take
care of our immediate family and then the rest of
the family. And if you the one that has made it,
everybody calls.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
You know what, I call myself elmer, and that's it
the glue, because you're holding everybody and that's very, very stressful.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I go through it with my family. I go through it,
you know, and then people who just need you and
call on you, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
It's like and it's the desire to want to be
there to show up for them. However you can't because.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
You feel guilty that you made it, and then you're
doing it's just so many of we're still trying to
make a girl still and when people from my family
like girl can cuzzo.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
That's what cuzzo, Auntie. I'm like this what I got
to do with this money?

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
This money, this money, But we have to treat our
bodies special in order to even deal with stress. And
so I just said, you know what, Sherry, I don't
want to be the person that wishes I would have
prioritized my health or wishes I would have done things different.
Why don't I do it now? And every day I

(01:02:11):
say God, thank you for giving me another chance to
get this right. And it's not like I was at
a place where I didn't like going to the gym,
and I said, I want to get to that place
where I yearned for the gym. I want to get
to that place where it's like So I've even changed
my the way I speak, because I used to always say, oh,
I hate going to the gym, but I gotta do it.
Now I go. Lord, thank you for giving me the

(01:02:33):
opportunity to treat my body right. Thank you for for
the ability to move. Thank you that you blessing me
to lift these weights. Lord, blessed me to have a
good time when I go to the gym, because it's
some stuff. I'm just like, there's this one that you
got to do for your booty come down exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
And I'm like, I have heard tight for me, my
hip flexes be too tight. And I was like, you've
been stretching lately, though, I said, how could you tell.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Them? Hip flexes ain't nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
It's like last Tuesday, I can't open.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Lex and when the lower back starts to hurt in
the lower at the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Point now where we even go to hotels, and I'm
like that bed was a good babys a bad matcher
when I tell you so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
And even when I go to barbecue's family functions, you
know when you used to do them little things and
you tell your nieces, I can do a back bed, baby,
I'm went like this, and I said, oh oh oh,
we can't do the bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Now, I can't do a split like I used.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I try to do a little round off, but I said, ooh,
my wrisk.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
No no, no, this a couple of days to recover
from one things.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
So, yes, health is important to me because also to
do what God has called you to do, you've got
to be healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
It's part of the process. It's part of what he's
requiring from you as well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Because it's gonna take a lot of energy to walk
in that purpose, yes, and he don't want you breathing
hard and you can't tie your shoe, and you sitting
there feeling like, oh my gosh, that's not what his will.

Speaker 5 (01:03:50):
Is for you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
It's for you to be healthy. And so I'm just like,
make the changes now, sharey, so that when you so
you can proudly say I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Fifties, then you're gonna be like, I'm seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Grand follow women. I follow women at the seventy eight
me Girlnaty dancing any draws. I'm like this, old ladies
that's seventy eight years old. Be like muchels lean all that.

Speaker 8 (01:04:15):
When I'm telling you, girl, So, as we wrap things up,
who would you say your career or your life so
far has been a love letter to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Oh my goodness, I would say Jeffrey. Of course everybody knows.
But I would say my mother because my mother never
got to see this. My mother saw the struggle. My
mother saw me because she was she was so sick.
So I would have to drive from La to San Bernardino,

(01:04:58):
which is an hour and a half every night to
drive her around because that's the only way she would
go to sleep for hours. I would drive my mother around.
I was always with her at the hospital, and so
then I would drive back to LA because I had
to go to work, and then I had to hit
a comedy club at nighttime. So she's my mother saw
that the struggle. So when I do things, I do

(01:05:19):
it because I go, mam, can you see me?

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Sometimes I go Laverne and I go ooh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
I just want to try answer mine. I want to
see if I can use your first name. But I
do it for my mother because she just didn't get
to see this. And I hope that she's looking and
she's very proud of me, and I hope that she's
proud of me as a mother and as a sister.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
And you know, do you think she'd be surprised that
like her little shy Sherry or did she get to
see Sherry being a little bit more ongoing before her passing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
I hope that, I you know, it's really because I
lost her so early, we never got to the friendship
portion we still were at the I was the child,
you're the mother, and I became the caretaker, so I
never really got to see who my mother was as
a woman. My mother gave up everything, Like my dad

(01:06:11):
slept with my mother on a dare. He was a jock.
She was very studious and very shy, didn't talk to
anybody from six kids, and it was a dare that
because she had a crush on her. It was a dare.
But she got pregnant the very first time. Wow, And
everybody wanted her to aboord, thank you Lord. She did not,

(01:06:31):
and she was forced to get married to my dad.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I have pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I found pictures of her, and she looked so scared
at eighteen years old, and her mother in law looked
a because my mother in law didn't like it, just
was looking at it like you ain't good enough on
my side, So telling the pictures and she was so scared,
and so she wanted to be a doctor, and she
never got. She stayed and she took care of her family,
her three girls, but she never got to fulfill her dreams.

(01:06:58):
Which is why I'm so passionate about for my show,
wanting to inspire women to take hold of a dream
that you put on the fine with the fine china
on that shelf, and it's been dusty, and you've been scared,
and that thing on your face like this says, who
do you think? Who do you think you are? Yeah,

(01:07:18):
it's like you're not You're not good enough, you're not
smart enough, you're too fat, you're too skinny, you're not
that voice, and you never reached for it. And because
of my mom, I want to inspire women that we
see you, that life is short. Try it. I always say,
on the other side of fear are we're all the
blessings lines. So I do this really for my mother.

(01:07:42):
Laverne era shepherd maiden named worried. Wow, that's beautiful my mommy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure mom is up there. Just
that's my baby.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
I hope it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Girl. Everybody keeps saying, you know, I asked got when
I see a white butterfly, Kim Whitley says this all
the time. When I see a white butterfly, I know
that's my mother. That people always say. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
I heard the song and I knew that was my mother,
and I go, Lord, can you bless my mother to
do something?

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Give me a sign.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
I slipped and sail and had a light pole.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
I was like, that's my dead MoMA. I told you
not to walk that way. Tabitha Brown has the dimes.
Have you heard the story about her brown has done.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
I always I always ask my grandmother too, because I
lost one in March and another one years before I
got a little before I got married, And I always like,
just visit me in my dreams. Do something, bit me,
do something, do something, show me something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I'm always going, Mama, how do I handle this situation?
It'll be silent, and I'm like, Lord, can you just
I know she's having a good time up there, just say,
just tell Sherry Needer for a little just a little bit,
cause she come away from the party for a minute, just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
A little bit. She's having a grando time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
And in the vein of of course, this is a
day with k But you know, of course dead ass
is the brand for us. Tell me something you're.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Dead ass about.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
I mean, you're in New York, you know what the
phrase means. So I'm dead ass about.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
You know, I'm dead ass about living lighte and enjoying
every moment and being present to every moment I am.
I'm like dad ass about really making a difference, whether
it be a smile, whether it be just talking to somebody.

(01:09:20):
That's what it is all about for me. It's like life,
if we didn't learn anything from being in the house
for almost two years and losing people that we love,
it's to step out and do things bigger and to
dream bigger, Like what else can we How can we
be of service and love? That's what I'm about this
political season. It's like, we gotta we got to infuse

(01:09:43):
more love in all the in this whole political season
because when we are losing it, And that's what I'm
Dad asked about about, how can I how can I love?
How can I be of service? And just love may
make people feel better?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Well, this is one of those moments. This is one
of those moments where I thank you, Sherry. You have
no idea what this means to me, because it's not
often that you find women who can can can build together,
who can grow together, who can mentor each other and
not feel threatened by each other, but just love on
each other in whatever process is. Because I'm a firm
believer that what God has in place for me is

(01:10:20):
always gonna be for me. It's not nobody's gonna take it,
No one's gonna take it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Reason to be threatened, because He's got a purpose for
everybody everyone. There is a uniqueness about you, KaDee that
I don't have, but what I have you don't have exactly,
and he's going to use it all because he gave
it to us. So it's like I love because I've
been through women who wouldn't support me, who I've asked,

(01:10:47):
can you tell me? I'm trying to do this talk show.
I don't even know how much money to ask for
and what to do and how to navigate. I feel
like I will share that when you get a deal
and you want to call me and go, Sherry, I
don't know if this is the money I'm supposed to go. Girl,
here's what.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
You no not before, not you, but somebody who's coming on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
How much money make you ain't none of your business, right,
but doing what you do, I'm going I gotta tell
you because this is and then you're gonna tell the
next person the person word. We gotta pays forward.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
That's how we think.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
So we have to support each other. It's to you
can't be like this and get blessed. It has to
be like this because you got to step up away, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
You know Oprah when she gave me like she was
like I'm passing the torch to you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
I was like, that was your first story, you said
for story show.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
But it's like you, it's it's it's your time, and
what what what would it be fit me to be
trying to block you. I'd rather be helping you. And
God remembers that. So when I get in it and
I'm like on the cusp because Saint Peter won't let
me bring.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Her one back and be like I helped her, and
I'll I'll be from below like she okay, well, so
any anything, I love.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
You so much for you for this time. I had
to cut it because it's like we could talk.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Through this day. You're gonna get this from everybody. This
is not just gonna be me. It's because you're so
good and you allow people to feel comfortable and be
I've never talked about my mom like this. You allow
people to be comfortable and wherever they're at, that's what
you bring. You bring a peace, you bring a comfort,
you bring a sister girl.

Speaker 8 (01:12:29):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
That's the energy that I feel. So I guess it
makes sense that when you are around people, you could
feel that energy and space to open up. And I
don't take that for girl.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
I'm excited for what God is going to do for you.
I appreciate that I don't even want to let me,
let me thank you so much. Of course, A day
with k Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Sherry Shepherd's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
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