March 27, 2025 • 50 mins
White Lotus star Leslie Bibb is here to make faces and chat about being the captain of your own ship, how the White Lotus ladies could have had a VERY different vacation, and what happens when Chelsea prematurely evacuates a hotel. Then: A 34-year-old comes to terms with the choice she made to marry an 80-year-old man… and struggles to see how she’ll ever get out.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi Catherine, Hi Chelsea.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I have a question for you. When did you have
time to film another special?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I filmed the stand up special. It's out.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's streaming, you guys. It came out Tuesday. Today is Thursday.
It's called The Feeling. It's on Netflix, and it's my
favorite stand up special ever, amazing. My book came out
February twenty fifth. I'll have what she's having. My book
came out March twenty fifth, So can you wait? Shit
shit book specials?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
And guess what's coming out April twenty fifth.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
What's out?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Something else? Anyway, please watch my special on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
It means a lot to me for people to watch it,
and it means a lot to me to have all
these people buying my books and sending me all these
dms which I'm reading. I'm reading all of them, and
I'm calling in to some book clubs. By the way,
if you are doing a book club with my book
and you have owls brew, I am calling. I'm going
to zoom in if you dm me. I have three
(00:56):
book clubs set up already. April second is the day
that I'm going to be doing it. So if you
hear this and you want in on that action. Make
it happen, and DM me and I will try to
schedule you into my April second night.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So DM on Instagram right, DM me directly on Instagram. Okay,
awesome and what else? Oh, Vegas, Vegas. I just had
another Vegas weekend which was epics. I did not win
money this weekend. I have to be honest. I broke even.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
That's not bad.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
No, I broke even, and that's a wind to be
because you're renting a good time. But I had.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
My Vegas weekends have been so much fun because so
many random friends of mine show up.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Ye friends from Texas shown up.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I had three friends from La show up, My sister came,
my friends from Tahoe came.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was a blast.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And so April eighteenth is my next Vegas date, and
then after that it's July fifth. So April eighteenth and
July fifth and then August thirtieth, So come and have
a fun party with me at the Cosmo. It has
been a real blast, a surprising blast. And I'm also
doing a bunch of European dates. If you go to
Chelsea Handler dot com. I'm coming to Europe and starting
(01:59):
in Rekuvic all the way through Lisbon at.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
The beginning of May, May and June. Great. Okay, our
guest today is a friend of mine. She is very fun.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
She stars on the current season of White Lotus and
she just wrapped filming Palm Royal season two.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Please welcome Leslie Bib.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
How are you h Hello?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Hello, Lesly Bib? Is this Leslie Bib? Is this really you?
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
So it's like you're looking like this at me. Hi?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Sorry, we're in a fake podcast. Well, not a fake
podcast studio.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We're not. We are in a fake podcast studio.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
The cameras are set in weird directions. So pretend I'm
looking at you. Okay, my god, this is.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
So oh there we go.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
That's a much better.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Thank Can I have this? That's so much better because
I feel like we're talking to each other now, we're
looking at each other.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, but you've seen me look at your face before.
Just go back to that time and pretend that's what's happening.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Do that. I'm not that good of an actor. Hold on,
I have to throw something away.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Hi, chelfs Hi, honey, we just did a podcast with
your buddy Michelle Monahan.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Hi, isn't she lovely?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
The loveliest I love. I'm jealous that I wasn't on
set with both of you. I told her that, well,
the three of us are going to all do something.
We're going to do dinner. Yeah, Leslie Bib.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Where are you? Are you in fucking Canada?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
My god?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Would you let me ask you a fucking question? I mean,
who cares where I am?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
It's important to me. I love you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm in Beverly Hills at some podcast studio because my
house is not done and I have another four months
of construction, so I had to move back out of
my house and now I'm staying at a friend's house.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I find it interesting that you are, to me, one
of the most powerful women I've ever met. Like, there's
just like you have like a woo about you, and
the fact that this has run new wagon.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't even talk about it anymore. It's too stupid.
I refuse to even give it my time of day.
I just I said to someone, I'm like, what kind
of karma? They're like, this is not your karma. I go,
it really feels like my karma. But anyway, I have
too many good things in my life to worry about
this fucking house.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I can't wait to get rid of it. If anyone
wants to buy my house, let me know it'll be
in perfect shape by the time you fucking get your
hands on it.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Oat.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Listen, by the time this comes out, more episodes of
White Lotus will have come out. So but we're gonna
focus on the one that we all saw last night
or two nights ago now, episode number five, right, Yes, it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Was episode five. Are there eight episodes?
Speaker 5 (04:29):
There are eight episodes. There are eight of Okay, I
can answer that.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
First of all, it was the episode with your lover.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Sam Rockwell was in it with an incredible monologue.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Incredible monologue that starts. I mean, it was just it was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I mean, there was a Time magazine article about it
about that monologue.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yes that you sent me.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
That was awesome and actually really I felt the same
when I watched that monologue.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I'm like, this is what Mike White thinks, Like.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
This is either how Mike White feels and things. Because
that monologue, no one could write something like that except
I thought maybe Sam Rockwell could. I'm like, you know what,
Sam might have come in with this monologue and said, listen,
I have a piece that I want to put in
the show.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
I don't think. I don't know if anybody who writes
quite like Mike Mike White does like stuff like that, confrontational,
that confronting, that subversive, that sort of not nothing he
does is like dinner table conversation, you know, and the
way he I haven't seen the episode, but the fact
that Sam just does it like he's saying past the assault,
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and there's something about that because it's his truth. And
I feel like if Kate and Laurie and Jacqueline, the
three women like, are are the ladies? If the ladies
had come in and just been like, my life is
a disaster, my marriage is this, or I lost my job,
I think I'm drinking too much or whatever their shit was,
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and it just talked about it and been vulnerable and
sort of unapologetic about what's going on in their life,
it would have been a very different vacation for them.
But instead they couldn't do that. And so when I
read all eight episodes and I got to that monologue
for Frank, I remember feeling like, oh, this is Mike's
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this is like the essence of the show. This is
what he's saying, like what we should try to aspire
to And as it goes on, you'll see that, you know,
things can be very hard to hold on to. And
I don't know, I don't know if Frank does such
a good job with his sobriety or any of it.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Right, so, right, right, right right?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
So how well, by the way, how did Sam So?
How was it because of you that Sam also got
in the show? Or was it completely separate.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Completely separate? The person that they had first gone to
couldn't do it anymore because we had pushed and pushed,
and we'd just gone over and weather and whatever. We
had gone long and Sam was doing a movie in
South Africa and it was never going to time out.
Like they had said something to me early on, like
(07:13):
what if this were to happen, and I was like,
I don't think it's going to happen because he's shooting
this big movie and he looks like an unhoused person
in this movie. You'll never be able to like, he
can't do both. And also Sam is not that actor.
He won't sort of double team like that. He'll be
like he needs prep time. And then we pushed so
(07:35):
much that he was ending his movie and he had
like a week and a half between, so technically he
could do it, but it was he really fretted with
the idea of doing it. I think he knew that
that monologue was a beast. It's not something you just go, okay,
(07:55):
I'm going to do it, you know, you just, on
top of just being prepared with just being off book
and ready, you have to do the deep emotional prep
of what that means. And Sam's got a very specific process.
And so when they said they were going to offer
it to him, I remember Dave Bernad was walking through
(08:16):
one of the hotels we were shooting in and I
was on the treadmill and I waved at him and
I said come here, and he came in. He goes,
did you hear? And I said yeah, I said listen,
if he doesn't do it, you and Mike can't get
mad at me like that jet plan's going to fly.
I can't ground it like that that's going one way
and I'm not. So he was like, no, no, we
(08:39):
won't get mad at you, and then he hemmed in
had But then he eventually did it, And so.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I can't imagine anyone else doing that, but Sam Rockwell's
I agree with you as soon as.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I saw him in it, which I don't. I don't. Yeah,
I didn't know he was going to be in that.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I kept it a secret. Can you believe it?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I know, I know you guys are good at keeping secrets.
You guys are good. I mean, I think you're under
contract to keep that secret.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
But still, like, I mean we told somebody. I'm like,
you know, people were like, wait, you were there, what
was going on? And then you know, Sam, of course
like talk to people about whether or not I should
do it, But like, I think we did pretty good.
Like you were like to tam Com visit you and
I was like, yeah he did. I start looking down
and looking away and trying not to make like eye
contactuse I hate lying to people.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Okay, Well, the other highlight of last night's episode. First
of all, your fucking facial expressions killed me. Whenever I'm
friends with anybody who's an actor and I watched them
in movies, it's very hard for me to take them seriously.
Once I've made a friendship with someone, I just cannot wait.
All I do is send my friend Connie pictures of
her acting, and she I'm like, this is ridiculous. She's like,
(09:48):
don't watch it. I don't want to hear any fucking feedback.
But Leslie's faces in White Lotus. First of all, I
also want to just talk about this show and that
what a cultural zeitgeist this show is every I was
at my sister's sixtieth birthday weekend and there were fifteen
people there, like four generations of people, and we all
sat down on Sunday night to watch this in a
(10:09):
weekend where we were not watching TV. This was the
only TV show we watched because everyone was into it.
Everyone's like, oh my god, New White Lettos, New White Lotus.
So I could only imagine what you've been experiencing being
a part of this cast, because it is they show
that everyone watches. Like Severance is a very popular show.
Not everyone watches it, but it's hugely popular. There isn't
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a person I know that doesn't watch White Lotus. So
that in and of itself is such a testament to
Mike White and all of these casts that he puts together,
because the casting is the most integral part to all
of these and it helps that everybody is an actor,
not a movie star, you know, what I mean, it
helps that it helps move the story along, that there
are so many actors and there's so many stories going on,
(10:52):
because it's so fun to follow that.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, Hi, it's Catherine from the Future. If you don't
want any spoilers for episode five of White Lotus that
came out on March sixteenth, then please skip forward exactly
two minutes.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But there was a scene in this pool with Carrie
Kuhon and with the ladies, the three girls, Michelle Bonahan
and Leslie and Kerry Kuhon, and as we've come to know,
Leslie's characters, a Trump supporter, which was.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
A fucking I'm an independent, independent Trump supporter.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
For my husband's Republican but I'm an independent.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And there's a scene and when they're in with these
three Russian guys, they've been partying all day and she
takes her carry Kuhon takes her top off. She's like
trying to hook up with Vladimir, right or Voldemort Vladimir
I think it's I want to say Vair, it's Valentine.
Valentine she's hooking up with She's wanting to anyway. And
when her top comes off, the face that you have
(11:46):
the smile. First of all, the show is filled with
facial expressions from you that are fucking to die for.
They are so funny.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
What do I do? What do I do?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That you go? It's patronized seeing kind of.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Like yeah, even when you're about to talk shit with
your girlfriends, whether it's with Carrie or Michelle, I'm using
their real names because I get confused by all the
character But when one of them leaves and she's like,
oh god, she seems like she's drinking a lot, She's like.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Oh she does.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Everything is so smart.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
It's just coming down like a butterscotch candy and it's
so funny. And then when she Carrie Kon's top comes off,
Leslie Bib's already like, I don't know about these men
at our villa.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
This is a little too much for me as an
independent Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
This is a little bit too much for me.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And then the face that you make when her top
comes off, like ha, like just a deflation of like
oh no, we're all gonna get gang banged or something
bad is gonna happen, Like that is where which is
where I thought that scene was going. I'm like, uh, oh,
they are going to turn on her and somebody's getting fucked.
That's somebody that doesn't want to it's going to But yeah,
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you're acting in this is just like I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Their character is so so perfectly you Thank you.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Thanks. That means a lot, Like it really means a
lot coming from you. I've never experienced anything like this
show before. It's crazy. Everybody's watching it and they also
there there's an obsession with it and people really watch
it for which is I think Mike probably loves very much.
(13:27):
Is they get all of the metaphors and the themes
and and and I don't know if it's because it
only comes out once a week and it makes you
have an appetite for it and that you have to
sit there and then you can rewatch it and look
at stuff and go, oh wait, did you see why
were there three monkeys in that corner? And why were that?
Like people are picking up on things that Like I
(13:49):
was like, are they going to get that? And the
obsession with understanding it thematically I think is really cool
because I do think Mike is working in big themes.
I think you know he's working He's talking about spirituality
and death. But then he's also working with doppelgangers and
mirrors and reflections, like with the Three Ladies. You know
(14:10):
we were said like, oh, nobody could tell us apart
when we were kids, And even while we were filming,
if I had my head turned, somebody would be like
my haircut was enough, like carries and like it felt
like art in life started to you're there long enough
and you start to feel like a guest at the
White Lotus because you're filming at a hotel wherever you
(14:32):
where you go, it says the White Lotus, I don't know.
It is like a weird mind trip. So I so
appreciate you saying that the work is good, but I
think part of it is just being surrounded by it
all the time that you I don't know. I mean,
I think it helps the work, Like when we were
getting cabin fever from being there for six months and
(14:53):
feeling like this sometimes because you're away from home and
away from anything that feels like you're normal. I think
it actually helped the work, And I think for the
people who love it, I think the fact that he
makes you wait every week also helps to aid the
fever pitch of like I want more and the episodes
were much bigger. They were I don't know, like hour
(15:15):
and a half long, and then HBO would make Mike,
you know, cut them down to fifty two minutes. So
sometimes I want to see what those hour and a
half long?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean, so does everybody else.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
I know, Like I had this insane dream sequence that
we shot that I was so like, oh, it was
like a sucker punch when I found out it got
cut and I was.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like, oh, poor Kate.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
But there's so many stories he's telling and interweaving. It's
fascinating to me, how you you know, And it's interesting
your take that, like if you had a big movie
star in there, would you be able to with such
abandon go down the you know, all of these roads
with these people, or would you be like, oh, there's
(16:00):
Tom Cruise or there's you know what I mean? Would
you do you think?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't know, it's tough to think about.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean I think that kind of it's yeah, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You know, I would think so.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I mean, you know, depending on their acting ability, like
to really immerse themselves. I mean maybe it could just
be say Tom Cruise was a character in that show
that would be really interesting it would be interesting to
watch him mixing with everybody and not being the main attraction,
being one of the storylines, which I really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
As a viewer.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Yeah, jumping off of Bill.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, jumping off a bill, of course, or into Paris
or wherever he needs to go for the Olympics next.
But what do you learn about the show when you're
doing it? Like what does Mike tell you about it?
Like what are you what are you not allowed to
talk to people about?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
You're not only about anything, not really allowed to talk
about anythinking. I mean, the fact that they kept Sam
secret is kind of incredible to me. I don't know
how they did that, because I mean, in this age
where everything gets leaked, I don't know. I kept saying
to him, I think it's bonkers that nobody knows you're
in it, or it hasn't somehow gone out. But when
(17:07):
you're doing it, you read the script, but like there's
something with the way he directs and the way he's
you know, and you sort of get all eight and
then I only have my Then I have to give
back everything because those scripts are so guarded. So I
have just my section of the script. So I feel
(17:27):
very disconnected to anybody else's storyline, so you're kind of
there on your own journey and so you don't know
how it's all going to be interconnected or any of that.
So that's really like Mike the editing, how he sees it,
how it changed. I mean, that's I mean, it's really
(17:48):
all a testament to him and his vision for this.
And I think he's got remarkable editors and his production
designer is incredible. Nothing Mike does is like, oh, look
at that happen accident, you know, but when you're there,
he feels you don't feel like that's happening. But he's
like he's a he's just a mastermind. He's really and
(18:08):
I feel like in this third season you're really seeing
Mike I felt like, as a director really step into
his own in a big way, you know, because he's
a writer and an actor and those hats I think
he wears effortlessly. But something about this season felt like
(18:30):
there was he really something felt I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Different, is there any improvisation.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
He's like, I have this thing about beans. We're on
the beach, I say all these innocuous things. I just
have like, I mean, my last name is boor k Poor,
So I don't really say anything interesting, like it's all
in the name bohr k Poor. And I have this
like thing about beans, how I tricked my mind into
liking beans, and and he must have liked it because
(18:59):
then he came over and he said, Carrie, maybe you
would say this, and then Leslie, you go, no, no, no,
I don't like big beans. I like small beans. And
then we went into a whole thing where we were
just riffing on beans and he was like like chigante
and then we're doing this now. But he usually comes
up with he's so rhythmic with when he's hearing his
(19:19):
writing and that he comes over and changes it. But
that's it. I mean, it's nothing like it's all Mike.
It's kind of refreshing because then you don't feel like
you have to do anything and it's all on the
page right, so you're like, you're not trying to make
chicken salad out of chicken shit. It's like already a
fucking amazing sandwich, you know, and it's got like French
(19:41):
fries and a great drink and like it's everything. You
don't have to make something out of nothing, Okay, on.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
That note, we're going to take a break and we're
going to come right back with Leslie Bib. And we're
back with Leslie.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Bib from The White Lotus, most recently from The White Lotus.
She's been in a bevy of things and everyone knows
who you are, and then and then this show, now,
as we've discussed, is like being catapulted front and center
with like it's like being I mean, I know that
you guys have been on this crazy press tour, and
I know you personally have been bouncing around crazily and
(20:18):
you're like, oh my god, this is so crazy, you know.
It's She's like, I've never been part of something like
this where everybody is invested at like the whole world
is watching and it must just be such a crazy ride, Chelsea.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
It's fucking amazing. It's so cool. It's like somebody was like,
why aren't you watching, and I said, well, it's like,
you know, I'm critical of myself and it just feels tricky,
like people have been saying the work is good, so
I worry that if I watch it, I'm going to
try to recreate something or I don't know, Like it
was just very like in the moment happening, so like,
(20:53):
I don't when you talk about my faces, like I don't.
I don't know what those work. You know, I did
a lot of work and a lot of stuff. But
then people saying the work is good, that's so meaningful
and it's not like I've never had it to this
magnetude that the people are saying the work is good
like this, and so it's really nice. But also it
(21:15):
feels like it feels like a dream and it feels
like if I watch it, I'll be waking up from
the dream and it's like I just want to sleep
five more minutes. Like I just want to say, it's
like the best dream I've ever had, and I just
want to stay. So I'm just trying to just enjoy
it all and go with it and try to be present.
(21:36):
And it's awesome because then it'll be over and it
doesn't always happen. And I feel so lucky that it
happened to me. And it feels so lucky that like
usually in a show, they would never cast me Carrie
and Michelle, it would be one of us. I've never
got gotten to work with those other two because there's
only one of us who would get the job. They
would never you know what I mean, it just doesn't happen.
(21:59):
And then you get to do the job in all
three of you are there and it's not like one
person has the better part. Do you know which would
be the other thing? Like you would just be like, oh, well,
that's the lead and we're like the two best friends
that maybe have one scene or something that might be
cut to shreds to do something because you're just aiding
(22:20):
the lead actor's story. And it's like somehow we all
get our slice of the pie and it's amazing. It
sometimes makes me want to cry, like it just feels
as corny as that sounds, but it just it does
not fall short on me that this is happening to
me now in my life.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, actually, can I tell Can I tell them? Can
I talk about We went to the Vanity Fair party
and I for the Oscars this year and Leslie's like, oh,
I was like, do you want some LSD? I had
my microdose of course, and she's like ellisd oh my
god no, and then she goes actually, she's like I'm
just not going to drink for this period of time.
(23:00):
And I was like, oh why, and she said because
I really want to be present for this experience that
I'm having with white lotus in it coming out and
I just want to experience this all. And I was like, wow,
that is powerful, Like good for you for doing that,
and I totally get that. You know, I don't know
why you couldn't take some LSD because you were wouldn't
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be drinking, but whatever, I think that is. That's really
like like a really beautiful way to handle it because
it's not like you're sober, you drink, you have a
good time, but like for periods in our life when
we really do want to be there and not hungover
and not have it and not and have complete mental
clarity about what you're experiencing.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Also too, do you ever have this? I don't know
if you guts, But like when I go to those things,
it's not like I'm like I'm one of a vanity
fair party. I feel really in my body right now.
It's like I'm like I haven't eaten all day. I'm
like stuffing into your dress that's like a beautiful dressed
and you can say, why are you picking up your dress?
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Let it hang? And I was like, I'm like a
giraffe Chelsea, I'm gonna trip. I'm like, look graceful, but
I'm not graceful, the truth of the thing is, And
like I don't want to rip the dress. And then
you've got your hair and your makeup and you're in
these fucking shoes that are not comfortable, and like I
feel like if I go there and I have a
drink on top of it, I'm for sure going to
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face plant and like like and that's the first sure
going to happen, Like I'm just gonna be But then
but then, like you know, like Robert Daddy Junior came
up to me at the Vanity Fair party and who
I haven't seen in a long time? Who I did
you know, Iron Man with And he was so kind
and I was so happy that I was really there
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to have that conversation. And it's also like I think,
like they're the highs that you want to be present for.
But then when you're having a panic attack or an
anxiety attack or feeling like you have imposter syndrome, that
I go I don't think that glass of wine or
that you know, margarita are going to be great for
me right now. And it kind of happened after the
fires because I was with Chelsea for the fires.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And another night, another night, another night.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
And that happened like really fast, and we thought it
was one thing. We thought like, oh, the palisades in
your home was under threat, and like the critics' choice were.
It was just like happening in real time, this information
coming in of destruction to Los Angeles and everything sort
of changing. And then we were sitting at a hotel
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having a drink, and then we had to evacuate our
hotel and it was and I'd had a few drinks,
like I was like pink cheeked and like, and the
next morning I was like, oh this is not That
was like sort of sobering to go, oh yeah, you
got to you got to be present, Like it felt
like a nice little wake up call.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, that was a crazy night. I was staying at
one hotel. I went to go have drinks with her
at the chateau. Then a fire broke out in the
Hollywood Hills and we had to evacuate the chateau. And
I used to the guy that runs the chateau, so
I told everybody, I think I'm still missus chateau. So
I went around and dismissed all of the staff. I'm like,
everybody leave, everybody get out. I'm like, everybody all the
everybody needs to check out of the hotel. Andre's like, Chelsea,
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just don't panic. I'm like, everyone go to. Let's go
to And then we got in our car.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
If I didn't have you, I would I didn't have
I don't have a car when I'm in Los Angeles, Like,
I don't know what do you call an uber in
a time like that? I don't think so like Sunset Buleivar,
and we had Greg Williams, who's an amazing photographer who
was there, who had just done like the clothes and
was going to do the critics' choice. And then we
had Michael Wincott, who is a actor who's somewhat reclusive
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and was living at the chateau, and we grabbed him.
And then it was like I was like, this is
a short film.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Like what.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I was like, let's go.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm like we should head to San Diego And they're
like san Diego and I'm like, I mean, Leslie's like,
what about Newport Beach?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Why would we go all the way to Santiago. I'm like,
I'm not sure. But I think we should go to
San Diego. There are fires coming from every direction.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Well, we ended up going back to my hotel and
all of us just ended up drinking and being stupid
because we didn't know what else to fucking.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Do and we were a band of random idiots.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Anyway, we have to get to one caller at least
for this episode before we shoot the shit any longer.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
We're going to take a caller, Leslie. Are you ready? Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
we're gonna give We're going to give advice. Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Our first caller is Shannon, and I feel like this
question is particularly appropriate because there were so many age
gap relationships represented in Waite.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Lotus this season.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Specifically, Shannon says, Dear Chelsea, I'm thirty four years old
and I'm married to an eighty year old man whoa
From the outside, it might look like I have security,
but the truth is far more complicated. I met him
when I was eighteen. He was supposed to be a
safety net, not a husband. One choice led to another,
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and before I knew it, I had built a life
that does not feel like mine. The thing is, he
loves me, he always has, but I cannot love him
back and yet I stay. I stay because leaving impossible.
I stay because I've made choices that make walking away
more complicated than staying.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
But most of all, I stay because.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Of my two Golden Retrievers, who are twelve and thirteen
years old. They've been my constant through every twist and turn,
and I do not know what I am without them.
I'm not lost, I'm not weak, but I am stuck. Shannon, whoa,
and then she'll be joining us here to chat.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Shannon, this is Leslie, our special guest today. Hi, Leslie
Bibb say Hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
I'm good?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I'm a fan?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Hi? Thank you so much, Shannon. That letter was really
incredibly open and vulnerable. It's very cool.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
It's a little vague.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So well, I do want to clarify one thing, because
you know, you said that you guys met at when
you were eighteen, but you had sort of been working
for his ex in like a work capacity, so it
wasn't like you started dating him when you were.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Eighteen, right, No, never, never did I ever date him.
There was no dating. There was no sugar baby, sugar
daddy like relationship, nothing like that. He just was always
a caretaker or like some backup security for me because
I just don't have like family and whatnot. And this
was a long time ago, and I just became dependent
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on him.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Would you say you're a dependent emotionally? Do you feel
like that he filled some void for you emotionally?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I'm not. It's it sounds so like messed up but
not really like he was a friend. But like when
I tell you, like, for years he was supposed to
be the guy that walked me down the aisle, like
in replace of my dad, because I don't have one,
and he caught major feelings for me, and I thought
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that marrying him would make my life easier, and it
has made my life way worse.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
How so, how so, how's it made your life worse?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Well, I've always been independent, Like I've always been a
very hard worker and always like took care of myself.
But you know, I have these two dogs, and sometimes
emergencies would happen and he would always help me. And
then next thing, you know, like the pandemic happened and
he was always just helping me out. And then it
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resulted in him falling in love with me, and I
thought that okay, well fine, if we get married, he
can have, you know, companionship and not die alone. And
I thought I could be somewhat able to like get
my life together and go back to college and all
those things. And no, he wants us to be a
real deal married couple. And it's like I thought, by
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being introduced as his wife would be enough and just
spending the majority of my time with him and all
these things. But he wants one thing and one thing only.
And that's really what has happened since we got married.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
He wants sex.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Yeah, he wants intimacy, he wants to make out, and
I am like, absolutely not and that's never been how
our relationship was. And wow, do I say or do
I try to plan? I like to go, but both
seem extremely impossible. And it's as if I'm living tell
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my dogs die, which is like a sick way to live.
And these dogs mean the world to me, and it's
it's almost impossible to take care of two big dogs,
you know, by yourself. So I didn't know I had
to sacrifice so much.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I don't think it's impossible to take care of two
big dogs by yourself. I don't think that's I mean,
you're dealing with an eighty year old man. You know, yeah,
do you have a job?
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Well, I currently I don't and I did not have
one when I married him. So and I've always been
a bartender, and like for ten years, I've just been
a bartender. And that's the only source of money I
know how to make.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And that's that's good. You can do that, though, that's
a source of income. That's good. You're capable of doing that.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Yes, I am capable of doing that. So it's just
like I'm dependent on him for everything, and I currently
just like a hot mess. Like and I did get
a job when we first got married, and it gets
so emotionally taxic that it's like he expects me to
take off work to drive him to whatever appointments he needs,
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and I get so emotionally distressed that I at this
point in my life, I am not, like I don't
trust myself to be reliable, not for a job. Like
I married him to basically be able to just like
take care of him and our home and the dogs
and be his wife. But I didn't know he wanted
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all of the things a wife comes with.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
So are you in a sexual relationship with him now?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Absolutely not? No, never, happen never once. And that's the
thing that like no one believes me, and well.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Who cares if they believe you? I mean, it's like
that's like a mood point. It's like you can think
whatever the heck you want, you have no control over that.
But I think the bigger thing, I just feel like
there's two things happening. You have sort of like you
have to look at, like why you got into this,
which is you're probably seeking some sort of security, something
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that probably maybe you did not feel in your life,
some sort of self worth that you didn't have for
yourself so you thought, and which is common. That's not
a judgment that I'm saying that. I'm just saying you
all seek. All of this is coming from a non
judgment place. It's just we make these choices. We've all
done it, everybody, so nobody can. We've all done versions
of this, like where you've picked the wrong person or
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you think I'm gonna pick this person because they feel
safe or they feel this, or you feel that, and
then you get down that road and you're like, oh,
not what I thought, not and it's unsafe, and then
you start the ball starts rolling that way and you
think in your head it's too complicated, and you start
to come up with these reasons why you can't go, Oh,
(34:16):
I can pull the shoot, I can leave, you know,
taking care of two dogs. You can do that. You
can do that.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
That's yes.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
But the thing is, that's what you're telling yourself. You
need to look at what's really underneath, which is it's
scary because you haven't had a job probably in a
long time. I would feel that, you know, you probably
have not had a job in a long time, and
you're like, where's that money going to come from? There's
probably maybe even on some subconscious level, he does give
you some sort of sense of security, yes, and whether
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you want it, because it's easy to be like no,
it's this and it's this, but maybe there is some
version where he does make you feel okay, and maybe
you don't have to be vulnerable with somebody else because
to be single and to be out there, you have
to be open and you have to like you this
is the devil, you know, right?
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Yes, yes, so it's very scary to go.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
I don't know what the fuck is out there.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
That's where I'm kind of at. I feel like, yeah,
like I don't know I've always had him as a backup.
I've had rent and all, and I've had jobs, Chelsea
and all the things, but like he's always been I've
never really had everything on my own. He's always been
there to help me. So that's kind of what's keeping
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me here because it's scary, exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It is scary, and I feel like what you're feeling
like it is easier to kind of stay put because
of inertia and just because that's what you've known. But
I feel like what is coming up for you is
that you have outgrown needing somebody else to like do
this for you, and like being able to go out
and get a job. It's not like leave him tomorrow
and take the dogs. It can be a transition, you know,
(35:59):
you can look at getting a job, initiating some of
that stability for yourself before you know, having that conversation
about maybe I want to.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Move out or maybe I want to do this.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing,
but it sounds like you're kind of out growing this
and you're getting to a point where you might not
need this anymore.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I think also, we have to watch it's so easy
to be like we tell ourselves the truth that we want.
It's like his schedule keeps me from having a job.
That's I mean, you could get You could be like, hey,
I need you to make your doctor's appointments, and I'm
sure you probably help him make his doctor's appointment because
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he's eighty to go. We're going to schedule your doctor's
appointments from twelve to five. I'm going to go and
I'm going to take a job at night, and I'm
going to bar tend once a week or twice a week,
and I go to work at six o'clock to midnight.
And that's how you do. But you have to be
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you have to be the captain of your ship. You
have to want to really want to do this because
it's gonna be uncomfortable. It's gonna be a lot of unknowns,
and your apartment might not be as nice or your
home might not be as nice as it is. And
you know, dogs they're fine. The fact that they're not
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in a shelter. They're having a great life. Your dogs
are twelve and thirteen. They don't need to walk much.
They like you take them on two good walks. You
give them love, you give them their treats. You know,
maybe get a shitty apartment that has a backyard so
the poochies can be out there. I mean, I just
know that, like when you really do want to change,
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you will make that change. But I think it's you
have to also really look. You know, somebody can want
everything from you, but it's like you have to said
what you're willing to give, so he can't take anything
from you that you're not giving. It's about sort of
also meeting him and going, huh, what am I doing?
What am I looking for?
Speaker 6 (38:00):
Work?
Speaker 5 (38:01):
And take all the judgment everybody's freaking opinions out of it.
It's really easy to cast Look at the white loaders.
All we do is talk about each other exactly. You know,
we're all throwing stones from glasshouses.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
You know, what's your financial situation with him? Does he
just supply you with money? Do you have access to money? Like,
what's the deal?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Though?
Speaker 6 (38:21):
He controls everything? Like I have to ask for everything,
And it's a bunch of like withholding money. If we
get into a fight and he's still an active attorney,
like he still works every day and stuff like that,
and he has a serious temper, So it's like is
he abusive emotionally and the way he yells and scares
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my dogs? And then so this does he scare you
sometimes in like his like threats, like with what he
can do legally, Like if I like don't like if
I kiss him off, he you'll be like, I'll get
you out of here, like he's stuff like that. But no,
I'm not like scared of him. Like it's as if
I was in a relationship married to someone my own
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age and this is how he treated me, it would
be different.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
But why but why why would it be different?
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Because I think I do know that I am able
to like just be nice to him and like you know,
kind of like mask it and flirt it and I
and I'll be able to like somewhat get my way.
But that's just not the girl I am. And I thought,
I guess when I married him that i'd be able
to like kind of schooze myself a little bit. And
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you know, I don't even let him sleep in my
bed like at all, and it's that's just it's a
never ending circle. So I guess now my question would
be like, Okay, you guys, thank you very much. It's
validated that like I am capable of leaving. But do
I sneak making money? Do I sneak getting out of here?
(39:55):
Like do I talk? Because like he doesn't take divorce
or anything very well, if that makes sense, I don't know, ChEls,
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I think that you have to take a step every
single day to get out of that situation. I think
that you need to go out actively and get a job.
Go get a burtending job, find a place to work.
It's not a question. It's not up for debate with him,
And that's to tell him that you're going to get
a job. You have to make your own money. You
don't like being controlled with the money. You have to
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prepare yourself for when he's no longer here. He's eighty
years old, you're thirty four years old. So you have
to figure out a way to get your life back
in your own hands. And regardless of his reaction, I'm
not concerned about your dogs, Like you can take care
of two dogs, of course you can. Millions of people
do it. Millions of single people have more than one animal.
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You know, Like, that's not an issue. You think that's
the issue because that's the only reality you've known. You
have a chance to actually like grab life by the
balls and live your life.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Truly and holy and do what you want. So I
understand it. It's not going to have and overnight.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
You're not going to walk out the door today and say, okay,
we're getting a divorce. But you can walk out the
door today and go get a job, and go fill
out an application and go to a restaurant and say
do you need a bartender? Go to a bar, find
a job and start working. And that's the first step.
And then the second step will be to start saving
money and working more.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And it's not up to him.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
When you work, you'll be available for his You know,
you can make the situation amenable to him in a
way where you if he's working every day, then what
you could be doing. You could be working during the
day too. You don't have to just be a bartender.
You could go work a at Starbucks, you could go
work at a coffee shop.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
What's to stop you from doing that? You know, like,
you have to go get.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
A job first of all, because that is going to
provide you with the self worth that you're going to
need to have the kahunas to actually exit from this situation.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
This is not a healthy situation that you're in.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
It sounds very limiting emotionally, psychologically, and every other way possibly.
You know, you're a young, vibrant woman who needs to
live a life, and so every step you should be
taking should be in the direction of that life and
pursuing that life. And if he says he doesn't want
you to get a job, then then you have to
say to him, well, that's what's gonna happen. If you
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want to divorce me because I want to work, then
I feel like I'm being controlled, then you're gonna have
to divorce me. And you have to mean it. You're
not gonna end up outside on the street. You're gonna
go get a job. That's what you're gonna do, whether
it's today or tomorrow. I want to hear from you
that that's what you're gonna do.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yes, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
You need to get your life.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
You're not living your life right now, you're living someone
else's life, So you have to go out there every day.
I want you to write this down too, that you
are strong and that you are powerful and that you
are resilient. Write that down and put it in front
of you. And when you wake up every morning, read
that to yourself. I am strong, I am powerful, and
I am resilient, and go get that job. Start work,
and if you don't get the first five jobs you
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apply for, keep going because you're strong, you're powerful.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
And you're resilient, and you're going to get one of them.
And then you're gonna get that job.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
You're going to start working and you're going to start
to feel the self forth that comes from making a
living and that you are an independent, free person that
you can do independent free things.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
No one has.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Control over you, but you you have allowed this person
to take control over you. You made some of these decisions
that got you into this mess, and now you're going
to make the decisions that get you out of this mess. Yeah,
and it's just a matter of time before you have
you have enough money before you're going to meet people
at work. You might meet somebody that you can live with,
you might meet a roommate. These are all probable situations.
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Once you start saving money, you can start looking into
who where you want to live, getting an apartment, living
with other people. It's okay to downsize, It's okay to
go through some difficult times as a transition out of
this life. What you are in search and pursuit of
is freedom. You don't have your freedom right now. So
you're going to get off of this call and you're
going to find your freedom. You're going to take one
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step every single day. You were going to take one
step in the direction of getting your life back to
a place where you're making decisions for yourself. And then
you're gonna take your dogs with you when you leave.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Hell yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, no. I needed to
hear that. I did.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
So when this episode comes out, I want you to
play this episode and you write down all of these
things I'm saying to you. You need to wake up
every morning and talk to yourself in a way that
you have not been talking to yourself. You're independent and
you can be free. Okay you are. We're not living
in this I mean, we are living in a little
bit of a fucked up world right now. But you
still have your freedom, so fucking get it while you can.
(44:32):
You have a whole life to live without him. Yes, yeah,
and you have sex to go have. You have to
go have sex with people.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
I know. I know I miss that too, trust me.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah, So come on, like you know, what to do?
You know what the answer is here. You have to
listen to yourself. Yeah, you're gonna want progress.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
I'm gonna want progress reports from you. Okay, yeah, no, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
That's okay. That's that's what I was hoping for.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
It's okay. You're gonna have some days. It's not gonna
be fucking sunshine. And like what Chelsea said, like you
might not get the first job or the second job,
but you have to. I think what she's saying about
writing those things down, it's true. When she just said it,
didn't you feel like I can fucking do it.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
She may push play this fucking.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
Podcast in your ear like on a loop and hear
her voice in your head because you can do anything,
and you're what you tell yourself is very powerful. And
don't throw out baby steps for like what's giant steps?
You know, it's like little compounding, Like little small steps
can make a giant one.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yes, And also just remember every single just because you
haven't exerted your powerfulness and being an empowered woman up
until hair. You know, maybe in moments you have been,
but all over like you have a reservoir of resilience
inside of you that you have not tapped into yet.
Do not doubt the power of being a woman. Don't
ever doubt yourself. Okay, you can doubt yourself for a
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minute or here and there, but you always have to
come back to the idea that I can do this.
I can do this, and you're going to show yourself
with every step. So next week I want you to
send to Catherine and me a list of the places
you've applied, what happened, Which jobs have you gotten, any
job opportunities? Have you accepted a job? Let us know
and check in so you can be accountable to us. Okay,
because we'll be here for you.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Thank you. Yeah, absolutely, I mean it. I mean it.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
We're going to get you out of this situation and
we're going to get you out of it in a good.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Positive, healthy way.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Okay, because you need to be surrounded by other things
other than this.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
This is not this is not the way to go
through life.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Deserve more.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
Thank you very much. Like I don't know if that's
like why that's what I needed, But I am very capable.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
You are than you are, Yes, yes you are okay,
all right.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Cool Shannon, thank you and we'll be in touch Okay.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Bye, Shannon, Bye, Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Got that for sure.
Speaker 6 (46:55):
Bye talk soon, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Okay, we're going to take a break and be right
back to wrap up with Leslie Bib.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
And we're back with Leslie Bib. What a whoopsie doodle
that was fuck, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
You know, Chelsey, it's remarkable and I'm not blowing smoke
up your ass, but like it's remarkable, like the way
you make people and especially women feel like we can
do anything and that we've got this and you're this force,
this power, and the way you're so smart and you're
so funny and you're so quick, and you've got this
(47:35):
enormous heart, and like the grace you gave that young
woman and the great advice you gave her, and you
just feel like you can do anything with You're such
an amazing person to have in your corner. It's really
You're You're You're an extraordinary person. You really are.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Thank you right back right back at you, lay right
back at you, and you too, Catherine, look back at you.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Likewise, Yeah, let's great advice today.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah you did, you did you great? You brought it.
You brought it.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Like that's a heavy thing, Like because you tell yourself
you make this choice when you're a kid. I was married.
I married somebody, and I just thought, like I picked
the guy who was right on paper, he wasn't that
great to me. It was like all the things we
were we were not suited. He wanted like a giraffe,
(48:27):
you know, he wanted a zebra, and I'm a giraffe.
And it's like I just thought, you know, I think
women think we think we can just like compartmentalize and
I can beat this and I can do this, and
I can sort of fragment myself enough to make everybody
happy and instead of saying, no, this isn't what makes
me happy and like sort of that to go back
(48:47):
to Mike, to live your life unapologetically.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Well, I appreciate everything you said, and I appreciate you,
and I I'm so happy for your success. I'm so
excited for you and all of the things that are
to come, and I just can't wait to see you
again in persons, And thank you for being here on
Dear Chelsea.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
You were awesome.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
We loved thanks.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
And you made great faces too.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yes, best faces, best faces on the show, Leslie bit everybody.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
All right, guys, thank you so much. I'll see you later, Chess.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Okay, have a great day.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Hi bye, Do do do Do Do do drum roll
Catherine please Chelsea Handler abroad. Abroad is my European tour.
So I'm coming to obviously find.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
A husband abroad.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I need to get the help out of this fucking
country and it's not as easy as you think. So
I'm coming to Rekuvic, I'm coming to Dublin. I'm coming
to the UK. I'm coming to Brussels, Paris, Belfast.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
In May and June.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I'm coming to Oslo, Stockholm, to Copenhagen, Manchester, London, Glasgow,
New Zurich, Vienna. I've ever been to Vienna, Berlin, Barcelona, Lisbon.
I'm coming abroad.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Is abroad that sounds like fun.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
I'm going to go see you abroad.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
I right out. I want to go see me abroad
and there all be, there all be upcoming Vegas, States,
April eighteenth, July fifth, August thirtieth, November one and twenty
ninth at the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
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Hi Catherine, Hi Chelsea.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I have a question for you. When did you have
time to film another special?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I filmed the stand up special. It's out.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It's streaming, you guys. It came out Tuesday. Today is Thursday.
It's called The Feeling. It's on Netflix, and it's my
favorite stand up special ever, amazing. My book came out
February twenty fifth. I'll have what she's having. My book
came out March twenty fifth, So can you wait? Shit
shit book specials?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
And guess what's coming out April twenty fifth.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
What's out?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Something else? Anyway, please watch my special on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
It means a lot to me for people to watch it,
and it means a lot to me to have all
these people buying my books and sending me all these
dms which I'm reading. I'm reading all of them, and
I'm calling in to some book clubs. By the way,
if you are doing a book club with my book
and you have owls brew, I am calling. I'm going
to zoom in if you dm me. I have three
(00:56):
book clubs set up already. April second is the day
that I'm going to be doing it. So if you
hear this and you want in on that action. Make
it happen, and DM me and I will try to
schedule you into my April second night.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So DM on Instagram right, DM me directly on Instagram. Okay,
awesome and what else? Oh, Vegas, Vegas. I just had
another Vegas weekend which was epics. I did not win
money this weekend. I have to be honest. I broke even.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
That's not bad.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
No, I broke even, and that's a wind to be
because you're renting a good time. But I had.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
My Vegas weekends have been so much fun because so
many random friends of mine show up.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Ye friends from Texas shown up.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I had three friends from La show up, My sister came,
my friends from Tahoe came.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was a blast.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And so April eighteenth is my next Vegas date, and
then after that it's July fifth. So April eighteenth and
July fifth and then August thirtieth, So come and have
a fun party with me at the Cosmo. It has
been a real blast, a surprising blast. And I'm also
doing a bunch of European dates. If you go to
Chelsea Handler dot com. I'm coming to Europe and starting
(01:59):
in Rekuvic all the way through Lisbon at.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
The beginning of May, May and June. Great. Okay, our
guest today is a friend of mine. She is very fun.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
She stars on the current season of White Lotus and
she just wrapped filming Palm Royal season two.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Please welcome Leslie Bib.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
How are you h Hello?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Hello, Lesly Bib? Is this Leslie Bib? Is this really you?
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (02:30):
So it's like you're looking like this at me. Hi?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Sorry, we're in a fake podcast. Well, not a fake
podcast studio.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We're not. We are in a fake podcast studio.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I know.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
The cameras are set in weird directions. So pretend I'm
looking at you. Okay, my god, this is.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
So oh there we go.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
That's a much better.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Thank Can I have this? That's so much better because
I feel like we're talking to each other now, we're
looking at each other.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, but you've seen me look at your face before.
Just go back to that time and pretend that's what's happening.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Do that. I'm not that good of an actor. Hold on,
I have to throw something away.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Hi, chelfs Hi, honey, we just did a podcast with
your buddy Michelle Monahan.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Hi, isn't she lovely?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
The loveliest I love. I'm jealous that I wasn't on
set with both of you. I told her that, well,
the three of us are going to all do something.
We're going to do dinner. Yeah, Leslie Bib.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Where are you? Are you in fucking Canada?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
My god?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Would you let me ask you a fucking question? I mean,
who cares where I am?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
It's important to me. I love you.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm in Beverly Hills at some podcast studio because my
house is not done and I have another four months
of construction, so I had to move back out of
my house and now I'm staying at a friend's house.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I find it interesting that you are, to me, one
of the most powerful women I've ever met. Like, there's
just like you have like a woo about you, and
the fact that this has run new wagon.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't even talk about it anymore. It's too stupid.
I refuse to even give it my time of day.
I just I said to someone, I'm like, what kind
of karma? They're like, this is not your karma. I go,
it really feels like my karma. But anyway, I have
too many good things in my life to worry about
this fucking house.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I can't wait to get rid of it. If anyone
wants to buy my house, let me know it'll be
in perfect shape by the time you fucking get your
hands on it.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Oat.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Listen, by the time this comes out, more episodes of
White Lotus will have come out. So but we're gonna
focus on the one that we all saw last night
or two nights ago now, episode number five, right, Yes, it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Was episode five. Are there eight episodes?
Speaker 5 (04:29):
There are eight episodes. There are eight of Okay, I
can answer that.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
First of all, it was the episode with your lover.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Sam Rockwell was in it with an incredible monologue.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Incredible monologue that starts. I mean, it was just it was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I mean, there was a Time magazine article about it
about that monologue.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yes that you sent me.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
That was awesome and actually really I felt the same
when I watched that monologue.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I'm like, this is what Mike White thinks, Like.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
This is either how Mike White feels and things. Because
that monologue, no one could write something like that except
I thought maybe Sam Rockwell could. I'm like, you know what,
Sam might have come in with this monologue and said, listen,
I have a piece that I want to put in
the show.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
I don't think. I don't know if anybody who writes
quite like Mike Mike White does like stuff like that, confrontational,
that confronting, that subversive, that sort of not nothing he
does is like dinner table conversation, you know, and the
way he I haven't seen the episode, but the fact
that Sam just does it like he's saying past the assault,
(05:35):
and there's something about that because it's his truth. And
I feel like if Kate and Laurie and Jacqueline, the
three women like, are are the ladies? If the ladies
had come in and just been like, my life is
a disaster, my marriage is this, or I lost my job,
I think I'm drinking too much or whatever their shit was,
(05:55):
and it just talked about it and been vulnerable and
sort of unapologetic about what's going on in their life,
it would have been a very different vacation for them.
But instead they couldn't do that. And so when I
read all eight episodes and I got to that monologue
for Frank, I remember feeling like, oh, this is Mike's
(06:17):
this is like the essence of the show. This is
what he's saying, like what we should try to aspire
to And as it goes on, you'll see that, you know,
things can be very hard to hold on to. And
I don't know, I don't know if Frank does such
a good job with his sobriety or any of it.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Right, so, right, right, right right?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
So how well, by the way, how did Sam So?
How was it because of you that Sam also got
in the show? Or was it completely separate.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Completely separate? The person that they had first gone to
couldn't do it anymore because we had pushed and pushed,
and we'd just gone over and weather and whatever. We
had gone long and Sam was doing a movie in
South Africa and it was never going to time out.
Like they had said something to me early on, like
(07:13):
what if this were to happen, and I was like,
I don't think it's going to happen because he's shooting
this big movie and he looks like an unhoused person
in this movie. You'll never be able to like, he
can't do both. And also Sam is not that actor.
He won't sort of double team like that. He'll be
like he needs prep time. And then we pushed so
(07:35):
much that he was ending his movie and he had
like a week and a half between, so technically he
could do it, but it was he really fretted with
the idea of doing it. I think he knew that
that monologue was a beast. It's not something you just go, okay,
(07:55):
I'm going to do it, you know, you just, on
top of just being prepared with just being off book
and ready, you have to do the deep emotional prep
of what that means. And Sam's got a very specific process.
And so when they said they were going to offer
it to him, I remember Dave Bernad was walking through
(08:16):
one of the hotels we were shooting in and I
was on the treadmill and I waved at him and
I said come here, and he came in. He goes,
did you hear? And I said yeah, I said listen,
if he doesn't do it, you and Mike can't get
mad at me like that jet plan's going to fly.
I can't ground it like that that's going one way
and I'm not. So he was like, no, no, we
(08:39):
won't get mad at you, and then he hemmed in
had But then he eventually did it, And so.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I can't imagine anyone else doing that, but Sam Rockwell's
I agree with you as soon as.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I saw him in it, which I don't. I don't. Yeah,
I didn't know he was going to be in that.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I kept it a secret. Can you believe it?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I know, I know you guys are good at keeping secrets.
You guys are good. I mean, I think you're under
contract to keep that secret.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
But still, like, I mean we told somebody. I'm like,
you know, people were like, wait, you were there, what
was going on? And then you know, Sam, of course
like talk to people about whether or not I should
do it, But like, I think we did pretty good.
Like you were like to tam Com visit you and
I was like, yeah he did. I start looking down
and looking away and trying not to make like eye
contactuse I hate lying to people.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Okay, Well, the other highlight of last night's episode. First
of all, your fucking facial expressions killed me. Whenever I'm
friends with anybody who's an actor and I watched them
in movies, it's very hard for me to take them seriously.
Once I've made a friendship with someone, I just cannot wait.
All I do is send my friend Connie pictures of
her acting, and she I'm like, this is ridiculous. She's like,
(09:48):
don't watch it. I don't want to hear any fucking feedback.
But Leslie's faces in White Lotus. First of all, I
also want to just talk about this show and that
what a cultural zeitgeist this show is every I was
at my sister's sixtieth birthday weekend and there were fifteen
people there, like four generations of people, and we all
sat down on Sunday night to watch this in a
(10:09):
weekend where we were not watching TV. This was the
only TV show we watched because everyone was into it.
Everyone's like, oh my god, New White Lettos, New White Lotus.
So I could only imagine what you've been experiencing being
a part of this cast, because it is they show
that everyone watches. Like Severance is a very popular show.
Not everyone watches it, but it's hugely popular. There isn't
(10:29):
a person I know that doesn't watch White Lotus. So
that in and of itself is such a testament to
Mike White and all of these casts that he puts together,
because the casting is the most integral part to all
of these and it helps that everybody is an actor,
not a movie star, you know, what I mean, it
helps that it helps move the story along, that there
are so many actors and there's so many stories going on,
(10:52):
because it's so fun to follow that.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, Hi, it's Catherine from the Future. If you don't
want any spoilers for episode five of White Lotus that
came out on March sixteenth, then please skip forward exactly
two minutes.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But there was a scene in this pool with Carrie
Kuhon and with the ladies, the three girls, Michelle Bonahan
and Leslie and Kerry Kuhon, and as we've come to know,
Leslie's characters, a Trump supporter, which was.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
A fucking I'm an independent, independent Trump supporter.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
For my husband's Republican but I'm an independent.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And there's a scene and when they're in with these
three Russian guys, they've been partying all day and she
takes her carry Kuhon takes her top off. She's like
trying to hook up with Vladimir, right or Voldemort Vladimir
I think it's I want to say Vair, it's Valentine.
Valentine she's hooking up with She's wanting to anyway. And
when her top comes off, the face that you have
(11:46):
the smile. First of all, the show is filled with
facial expressions from you that are fucking to die for.
They are so funny.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
What do I do? What do I do?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That you go? It's patronized seeing kind of.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Like yeah, even when you're about to talk shit with
your girlfriends, whether it's with Carrie or Michelle, I'm using
their real names because I get confused by all the
character But when one of them leaves and she's like,
oh god, she seems like she's drinking a lot, She's like.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Oh she does.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Everything is so smart.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
It's just coming down like a butterscotch candy and it's
so funny. And then when she Carrie Kon's top comes off,
Leslie Bib's already like, I don't know about these men
at our villa.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
This is a little too much for me as an
independent Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
This is a little bit too much for me.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And then the face that you make when her top
comes off, like ha, like just a deflation of like
oh no, we're all gonna get gang banged or something
bad is gonna happen, Like that is where which is
where I thought that scene was going. I'm like, uh, oh,
they are going to turn on her and somebody's getting fucked.
That's somebody that doesn't want to it's going to But yeah,
(12:59):
you're acting in this is just like I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Their character is so so perfectly you Thank you.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Thanks. That means a lot, Like it really means a
lot coming from you. I've never experienced anything like this
show before. It's crazy. Everybody's watching it and they also
there there's an obsession with it and people really watch
it for which is I think Mike probably loves very much.
(13:27):
Is they get all of the metaphors and the themes
and and and I don't know if it's because it
only comes out once a week and it makes you
have an appetite for it and that you have to
sit there and then you can rewatch it and look
at stuff and go, oh wait, did you see why
were there three monkeys in that corner? And why were that?
Like people are picking up on things that Like I
(13:49):
was like, are they going to get that? And the
obsession with understanding it thematically I think is really cool
because I do think Mike is working in big themes.
I think you know he's working He's talking about spirituality
and death. But then he's also working with doppelgangers and
mirrors and reflections, like with the Three Ladies. You know
(14:10):
we were said like, oh, nobody could tell us apart
when we were kids, And even while we were filming,
if I had my head turned, somebody would be like
my haircut was enough, like carries and like it felt
like art in life started to you're there long enough
and you start to feel like a guest at the
White Lotus because you're filming at a hotel wherever you
(14:32):
where you go, it says the White Lotus, I don't know.
It is like a weird mind trip. So I so
appreciate you saying that the work is good, but I
think part of it is just being surrounded by it
all the time that you I don't know. I mean,
I think it helps the work, Like when we were
getting cabin fever from being there for six months and
(14:53):
feeling like this sometimes because you're away from home and
away from anything that feels like you're normal. I think
it actually helped the work, And I think for the
people who love it, I think the fact that he
makes you wait every week also helps to aid the
fever pitch of like I want more and the episodes
were much bigger. They were I don't know, like hour
(15:15):
and a half long, and then HBO would make Mike,
you know, cut them down to fifty two minutes. So
sometimes I want to see what those hour and a
half long?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean, so does everybody else.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
I know, Like I had this insane dream sequence that
we shot that I was so like, oh, it was
like a sucker punch when I found out it got
cut and I was.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like, oh, poor Kate.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
But there's so many stories he's telling and interweaving. It's
fascinating to me, how you you know, And it's interesting
your take that, like if you had a big movie
star in there, would you be able to with such
abandon go down the you know, all of these roads
with these people, or would you be like, oh, there's
(16:00):
Tom Cruise or there's you know what I mean? Would
you do you think?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't know, it's tough to think about.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean I think that kind of it's yeah, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
You know, I would think so.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I mean, you know, depending on their acting ability, like
to really immerse themselves. I mean maybe it could just
be say Tom Cruise was a character in that show
that would be really interesting it would be interesting to
watch him mixing with everybody and not being the main attraction,
being one of the storylines, which I really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
As a viewer.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Yeah, jumping off of Bill.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, jumping off a bill, of course, or into Paris
or wherever he needs to go for the Olympics next.
But what do you learn about the show when you're
doing it? Like what does Mike tell you about it?
Like what are you what are you not allowed to
talk to people about?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
You're not only about anything, not really allowed to talk
about anythinking. I mean, the fact that they kept Sam
secret is kind of incredible to me. I don't know
how they did that, because I mean, in this age
where everything gets leaked, I don't know. I kept saying
to him, I think it's bonkers that nobody knows you're
in it, or it hasn't somehow gone out. But when
(17:07):
you're doing it, you read the script, but like there's
something with the way he directs and the way he's
you know, and you sort of get all eight and
then I only have my Then I have to give
back everything because those scripts are so guarded. So I
have just my section of the script. So I feel
(17:27):
very disconnected to anybody else's storyline, so you're kind of
there on your own journey and so you don't know
how it's all going to be interconnected or any of that.
So that's really like Mike the editing, how he sees it,
how it changed. I mean, that's I mean, it's really
(17:48):
all a testament to him and his vision for this.
And I think he's got remarkable editors and his production
designer is incredible. Nothing Mike does is like, oh, look
at that happen accident, you know, but when you're there,
he feels you don't feel like that's happening. But he's
like he's a he's just a mastermind. He's really and
(18:08):
I feel like in this third season you're really seeing
Mike I felt like, as a director really step into
his own in a big way, you know, because he's
a writer and an actor and those hats I think
he wears effortlessly. But something about this season felt like
(18:30):
there was he really something felt I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Different, is there any improvisation.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
He's like, I have this thing about beans. We're on
the beach, I say all these innocuous things. I just
have like, I mean, my last name is boor k Poor,
So I don't really say anything interesting, like it's all
in the name bohr k Poor. And I have this
like thing about beans, how I tricked my mind into
liking beans, and and he must have liked it because
(18:59):
then he came over and he said, Carrie, maybe you
would say this, and then Leslie, you go, no, no, no,
I don't like big beans. I like small beans. And
then we went into a whole thing where we were
just riffing on beans and he was like like chigante
and then we're doing this now. But he usually comes
up with he's so rhythmic with when he's hearing his
(19:19):
writing and that he comes over and changes it. But
that's it. I mean, it's nothing like it's all Mike.
It's kind of refreshing because then you don't feel like
you have to do anything and it's all on the
page right, so you're like, you're not trying to make
chicken salad out of chicken shit. It's like already a
fucking amazing sandwich, you know, and it's got like French
(19:41):
fries and a great drink and like it's everything. You
don't have to make something out of nothing, Okay, on.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
That note, we're going to take a break and we're
going to come right back with Leslie Bib. And we're
back with Leslie.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Bib from The White Lotus, most recently from The White Lotus.
She's been in a bevy of things and everyone knows
who you are, and then and then this show, now,
as we've discussed, is like being catapulted front and center
with like it's like being I mean, I know that
you guys have been on this crazy press tour, and
I know you personally have been bouncing around crazily and
(20:18):
you're like, oh my god, this is so crazy, you know.
It's She's like, I've never been part of something like
this where everybody is invested at like the whole world
is watching and it must just be such a crazy ride, Chelsea.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
It's fucking amazing. It's so cool. It's like somebody was like,
why aren't you watching, and I said, well, it's like,
you know, I'm critical of myself and it just feels tricky,
like people have been saying the work is good, so
I worry that if I watch it, I'm going to
try to recreate something or I don't know, Like it
was just very like in the moment happening, so like,
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I don't when you talk about my faces, like I don't.
I don't know what those work. You know, I did
a lot of work and a lot of stuff. But
then people saying the work is good, that's so meaningful
and it's not like I've never had it to this
magnetude that the people are saying the work is good
like this, and so it's really nice. But also it
(21:15):
feels like it feels like a dream and it feels
like if I watch it, I'll be waking up from
the dream and it's like I just want to sleep
five more minutes. Like I just want to say, it's
like the best dream I've ever had, and I just
want to stay. So I'm just trying to just enjoy
it all and go with it and try to be present.
(21:36):
And it's awesome because then it'll be over and it
doesn't always happen. And I feel so lucky that it
happened to me. And it feels so lucky that like
usually in a show, they would never cast me Carrie
and Michelle, it would be one of us. I've never
got gotten to work with those other two because there's
only one of us who would get the job. They
would never you know what I mean, it just doesn't happen.
(21:59):
And then you get to do the job in all
three of you are there and it's not like one
person has the better part. Do you know which would
be the other thing? Like you would just be like, oh, well,
that's the lead and we're like the two best friends
that maybe have one scene or something that might be
cut to shreds to do something because you're just aiding
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the lead actor's story. And it's like somehow we all
get our slice of the pie and it's amazing. It
sometimes makes me want to cry, like it just feels
as corny as that sounds, but it just it does
not fall short on me that this is happening to
me now in my life.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, actually, can I tell Can I tell them? Can
I talk about We went to the Vanity Fair party
and I for the Oscars this year and Leslie's like, oh,
I was like, do you want some LSD? I had
my microdose of course, and she's like ellisd oh my
god no, and then she goes actually, she's like I'm
just not going to drink for this period of time.
(23:00):
And I was like, oh why, and she said because
I really want to be present for this experience that
I'm having with white lotus in it coming out and
I just want to experience this all. And I was like, wow,
that is powerful, Like good for you for doing that,
and I totally get that. You know, I don't know
why you couldn't take some LSD because you were wouldn't
(23:20):
be drinking, but whatever, I think that is. That's really
like like a really beautiful way to handle it because
it's not like you're sober, you drink, you have a
good time, but like for periods in our life when
we really do want to be there and not hungover
and not have it and not and have complete mental
clarity about what you're experiencing.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Also too, do you ever have this? I don't know
if you guts, But like when I go to those things,
it's not like I'm like I'm one of a vanity
fair party. I feel really in my body right now.
It's like I'm like I haven't eaten all day. I'm
like stuffing into your dress that's like a beautiful dressed
and you can say, why are you picking up your dress?
(24:01):
Let it hang? And I was like, I'm like a
giraffe Chelsea, I'm gonna trip. I'm like, look graceful, but
I'm not graceful, the truth of the thing is, And
like I don't want to rip the dress. And then
you've got your hair and your makeup and you're in
these fucking shoes that are not comfortable, and like I
feel like if I go there and I have a
drink on top of it, I'm for sure going to
(24:22):
face plant and like like and that's the first sure
going to happen, Like I'm just gonna be But then
but then, like you know, like Robert Daddy Junior came
up to me at the Vanity Fair party and who
I haven't seen in a long time? Who I did
you know, Iron Man with And he was so kind
and I was so happy that I was really there
(24:44):
to have that conversation. And it's also like I think,
like they're the highs that you want to be present for.
But then when you're having a panic attack or an
anxiety attack or feeling like you have imposter syndrome, that
I go I don't think that glass of wine or
that you know, margarita are going to be great for
me right now. And it kind of happened after the
fires because I was with Chelsea for the fires.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And another night, another night, another night.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
And that happened like really fast, and we thought it
was one thing. We thought like, oh, the palisades in
your home was under threat, and like the critics' choice were.
It was just like happening in real time, this information
coming in of destruction to Los Angeles and everything sort
of changing. And then we were sitting at a hotel
(25:31):
having a drink, and then we had to evacuate our
hotel and it was and I'd had a few drinks,
like I was like pink cheeked and like, and the
next morning I was like, oh this is not That
was like sort of sobering to go, oh yeah, you
got to you got to be present, Like it felt
like a nice little wake up call.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, that was a crazy night. I was staying at
one hotel. I went to go have drinks with her
at the chateau. Then a fire broke out in the
Hollywood Hills and we had to evacuate the chateau. And
I used to the guy that runs the chateau, so
I told everybody, I think I'm still missus chateau. So
I went around and dismissed all of the staff. I'm like,
everybody leave, everybody get out. I'm like, everybody all the
everybody needs to check out of the hotel. Andre's like, Chelsea,
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just don't panic. I'm like, everyone go to. Let's go
to And then we got in our car.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
If I didn't have you, I would I didn't have
I don't have a car when I'm in Los Angeles, Like,
I don't know what do you call an uber in
a time like that? I don't think so like Sunset Buleivar,
and we had Greg Williams, who's an amazing photographer who
was there, who had just done like the clothes and
was going to do the critics' choice. And then we
had Michael Wincott, who is a actor who's somewhat reclusive
(26:40):
and was living at the chateau, and we grabbed him.
And then it was like I was like, this is
a short film.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Like what.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I was like, let's go.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm like we should head to San Diego And they're
like san Diego and I'm like, I mean, Leslie's like,
what about Newport Beach?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Why would we go all the way to Santiago. I'm like,
I'm not sure. But I think we should go to
San Diego. There are fires coming from every direction.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Well, we ended up going back to my hotel and
all of us just ended up drinking and being stupid
because we didn't know what else to fucking.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Do and we were a band of random idiots.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Anyway, we have to get to one caller at least
for this episode before we shoot the shit any longer.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
We're going to take a caller, Leslie. Are you ready? Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
we're gonna give We're going to give advice. Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Our first caller is Shannon, and I feel like this
question is particularly appropriate because there were so many age
gap relationships represented in Waite.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Lotus this season.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Specifically, Shannon says, Dear Chelsea, I'm thirty four years old
and I'm married to an eighty year old man whoa
From the outside, it might look like I have security,
but the truth is far more complicated. I met him
when I was eighteen. He was supposed to be a
safety net, not a husband. One choice led to another,
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and before I knew it, I had built a life
that does not feel like mine. The thing is, he
loves me, he always has, but I cannot love him
back and yet I stay. I stay because leaving impossible.
I stay because I've made choices that make walking away
more complicated than staying.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
But most of all, I stay because.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Of my two Golden Retrievers, who are twelve and thirteen
years old. They've been my constant through every twist and turn,
and I do not know what I am without them.
I'm not lost, I'm not weak, but I am stuck. Shannon, whoa,
and then she'll be joining us here to chat.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Shannon, this is Leslie, our special guest today. Hi, Leslie
Bibb say Hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
I'm good?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I'm a fan?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Hi? Thank you so much, Shannon. That letter was really
incredibly open and vulnerable. It's very cool.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
It's a little vague.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
So well, I do want to clarify one thing, because
you know, you said that you guys met at when
you were eighteen, but you had sort of been working
for his ex in like a work capacity, so it
wasn't like you started dating him when you were.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Eighteen, right, No, never, never did I ever date him.
There was no dating. There was no sugar baby, sugar
daddy like relationship, nothing like that. He just was always
a caretaker or like some backup security for me because
I just don't have like family and whatnot. And this
was a long time ago, and I just became dependent
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on him.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Would you say you're a dependent emotionally? Do you feel
like that he filled some void for you emotionally?
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I'm not. It's it sounds so like messed up but
not really like he was a friend. But like when
I tell you, like, for years he was supposed to
be the guy that walked me down the aisle, like
in replace of my dad, because I don't have one,
and he caught major feelings for me, and I thought
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that marrying him would make my life easier, and it
has made my life way worse.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
How so, how so, how's it made your life worse?
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Well, I've always been independent, Like I've always been a
very hard worker and always like took care of myself.
But you know, I have these two dogs, and sometimes
emergencies would happen and he would always help me. And
then next thing, you know, like the pandemic happened and
he was always just helping me out. And then it
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resulted in him falling in love with me, and I
thought that okay, well fine, if we get married, he
can have, you know, companionship and not die alone. And
I thought I could be somewhat able to like get
my life together and go back to college and all
those things. And no, he wants us to be a
real deal married couple. And it's like I thought, by
(30:40):
being introduced as his wife would be enough and just
spending the majority of my time with him and all
these things. But he wants one thing and one thing only.
And that's really what has happened since we got married.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
He wants sex.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Yeah, he wants intimacy, he wants to make out, and
I am like, absolutely not and that's never been how
our relationship was. And wow, do I say or do
I try to plan? I like to go, but both
seem extremely impossible. And it's as if I'm living tell
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my dogs die, which is like a sick way to live.
And these dogs mean the world to me, and it's
it's almost impossible to take care of two big dogs,
you know, by yourself. So I didn't know I had
to sacrifice so much.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I don't think it's impossible to take care of two
big dogs by yourself. I don't think that's I mean,
you're dealing with an eighty year old man. You know, yeah,
do you have a job?
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Well, I currently I don't and I did not have
one when I married him. So and I've always been
a bartender, and like for ten years, I've just been
a bartender. And that's the only source of money I
know how to make.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And that's that's good. You can do that, though, that's
a source of income. That's good. You're capable of doing that.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Yes, I am capable of doing that. So it's just
like I'm dependent on him for everything, and I currently
just like a hot mess. Like and I did get
a job when we first got married, and it gets
so emotionally taxic that it's like he expects me to
take off work to drive him to whatever appointments he needs,
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and I get so emotionally distressed that I at this
point in my life, I am not, like I don't
trust myself to be reliable, not for a job. Like
I married him to basically be able to just like
take care of him and our home and the dogs
and be his wife. But I didn't know he wanted
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all of the things a wife comes with.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
So are you in a sexual relationship with him now?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Absolutely not? No, never, happen never once. And that's the
thing that like no one believes me, and well.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Who cares if they believe you? I mean, it's like
that's like a mood point. It's like you can think
whatever the heck you want, you have no control over that.
But I think the bigger thing, I just feel like
there's two things happening. You have sort of like you
have to look at, like why you got into this,
which is you're probably seeking some sort of security, something
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that probably maybe you did not feel in your life,
some sort of self worth that you didn't have for
yourself so you thought, and which is common. That's not
a judgment that I'm saying that. I'm just saying you
all seek. All of this is coming from a non
judgment place. It's just we make these choices. We've all
done it, everybody, so nobody can. We've all done versions
of this, like where you've picked the wrong person or
(33:52):
you think I'm gonna pick this person because they feel
safe or they feel this, or you feel that, and
then you get down that road and you're like, oh,
not what I thought, not and it's unsafe, and then
you start the ball starts rolling that way and you
think in your head it's too complicated, and you start
to come up with these reasons why you can't go, Oh,
(34:16):
I can pull the shoot, I can leave, you know,
taking care of two dogs. You can do that. You
can do that.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
That's yes.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
But the thing is, that's what you're telling yourself. You
need to look at what's really underneath, which is it's
scary because you haven't had a job probably in a
long time. I would feel that, you know, you probably
have not had a job in a long time, and
you're like, where's that money going to come from? There's
probably maybe even on some subconscious level, he does give
you some sort of sense of security, yes, and whether
(34:47):
you want it, because it's easy to be like no,
it's this and it's this, but maybe there is some
version where he does make you feel okay, and maybe
you don't have to be vulnerable with somebody else because
to be single and to be out there, you have
to be open and you have to like you this
is the devil, you know, right?
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Yes, yes, so it's very scary to go.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
I don't know what the fuck is out there.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
That's where I'm kind of at. I feel like, yeah,
like I don't know I've always had him as a backup.
I've had rent and all, and I've had jobs, Chelsea
and all the things, but like he's always been I've
never really had everything on my own. He's always been
there to help me. So that's kind of what's keeping
(35:35):
me here because it's scary, exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It is scary, and I feel like what you're feeling
like it is easier to kind of stay put because
of inertia and just because that's what you've known. But
I feel like what is coming up for you is
that you have outgrown needing somebody else to like do
this for you, and like being able to go out
and get a job. It's not like leave him tomorrow
and take the dogs. It can be a transition, you know,
(35:59):
you can look at getting a job, initiating some of
that stability for yourself before you know, having that conversation
about maybe I want to.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Move out or maybe I want to do this.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing,
but it sounds like you're kind of out growing this
and you're getting to a point where you might not
need this anymore.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
I think also, we have to watch it's so easy
to be like we tell ourselves the truth that we want.
It's like his schedule keeps me from having a job.
That's I mean, you could get You could be like, hey,
I need you to make your doctor's appointments, and I'm
sure you probably help him make his doctor's appointment because
(36:38):
he's eighty to go. We're going to schedule your doctor's
appointments from twelve to five. I'm going to go and
I'm going to take a job at night, and I'm
going to bar tend once a week or twice a week,
and I go to work at six o'clock to midnight.
And that's how you do. But you have to be
(37:00):
you have to be the captain of your ship. You
have to want to really want to do this because
it's gonna be uncomfortable. It's gonna be a lot of unknowns,
and your apartment might not be as nice or your
home might not be as nice as it is. And
you know, dogs they're fine. The fact that they're not
(37:21):
in a shelter. They're having a great life. Your dogs
are twelve and thirteen. They don't need to walk much.
They like you take them on two good walks. You
give them love, you give them their treats. You know,
maybe get a shitty apartment that has a backyard so
the poochies can be out there. I mean, I just
know that, like when you really do want to change,
(37:42):
you will make that change. But I think it's you
have to also really look. You know, somebody can want
everything from you, but it's like you have to said
what you're willing to give, so he can't take anything
from you that you're not giving. It's about sort of
also meeting him and going, huh, what am I doing?
What am I looking for?
Speaker 6 (38:00):
Work?
Speaker 5 (38:01):
And take all the judgment everybody's freaking opinions out of it.
It's really easy to cast Look at the white loaders.
All we do is talk about each other exactly. You know,
we're all throwing stones from glasshouses.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
You know, what's your financial situation with him? Does he
just supply you with money? Do you have access to money? Like,
what's the deal?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Though?
Speaker 6 (38:21):
He controls everything? Like I have to ask for everything,
And it's a bunch of like withholding money. If we
get into a fight and he's still an active attorney,
like he still works every day and stuff like that,
and he has a serious temper, So it's like is
he abusive emotionally and the way he yells and scares
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my dogs? And then so this does he scare you
sometimes in like his like threats, like with what he
can do legally, Like if I like don't like if
I kiss him off, he you'll be like, I'll get
you out of here, like he's stuff like that. But no,
I'm not like scared of him. Like it's as if
I was in a relationship married to someone my own
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age and this is how he treated me, it would
be different.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
But why but why why would it be different?
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Because I think I do know that I am able
to like just be nice to him and like you know,
kind of like mask it and flirt it and I
and I'll be able to like somewhat get my way.
But that's just not the girl I am. And I thought,
I guess when I married him that i'd be able
to like kind of schooze myself a little bit. And
(39:35):
you know, I don't even let him sleep in my
bed like at all, and it's that's just it's a
never ending circle. So I guess now my question would
be like, Okay, you guys, thank you very much. It's
validated that like I am capable of leaving. But do
I sneak making money? Do I sneak getting out of here?
(39:55):
Like do I talk? Because like he doesn't take divorce
or anything very well, if that makes sense, I don't know, ChEls,
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I think that you have to take a step every
single day to get out of that situation. I think
that you need to go out actively and get a job.
Go get a burtending job, find a place to work.
It's not a question. It's not up for debate with him,
And that's to tell him that you're going to get
a job. You have to make your own money. You
don't like being controlled with the money. You have to
(40:24):
prepare yourself for when he's no longer here. He's eighty
years old, you're thirty four years old. So you have
to figure out a way to get your life back
in your own hands. And regardless of his reaction, I'm
not concerned about your dogs, Like you can take care
of two dogs, of course you can. Millions of people
do it. Millions of single people have more than one animal.
(40:45):
You know, Like, that's not an issue. You think that's
the issue because that's the only reality you've known. You
have a chance to actually like grab life by the
balls and live your life.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Truly and holy and do what you want. So I
understand it. It's not going to have and overnight.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
You're not going to walk out the door today and say, okay,
we're getting a divorce. But you can walk out the
door today and go get a job, and go fill
out an application and go to a restaurant and say
do you need a bartender? Go to a bar, find
a job and start working. And that's the first step.
And then the second step will be to start saving
money and working more.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And it's not up to him.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
When you work, you'll be available for his You know,
you can make the situation amenable to him in a
way where you if he's working every day, then what
you could be doing. You could be working during the
day too. You don't have to just be a bartender.
You could go work a at Starbucks, you could go
work at a coffee shop.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
What's to stop you from doing that? You know, like,
you have to go get.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
A job first of all, because that is going to
provide you with the self worth that you're going to
need to have the kahunas to actually exit from this situation.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
This is not a healthy situation that you're in.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
It sounds very limiting emotionally, psychologically, and every other way possibly.
You know, you're a young, vibrant woman who needs to
live a life, and so every step you should be
taking should be in the direction of that life and
pursuing that life. And if he says he doesn't want
you to get a job, then then you have to
say to him, well, that's what's gonna happen. If you
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want to divorce me because I want to work, then
I feel like I'm being controlled, then you're gonna have
to divorce me. And you have to mean it. You're
not gonna end up outside on the street. You're gonna
go get a job. That's what you're gonna do, whether
it's today or tomorrow. I want to hear from you
that that's what you're gonna do.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yes, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
You need to get your life.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
You're not living your life right now, you're living someone
else's life, So you have to go out there every day.
I want you to write this down too, that you
are strong and that you are powerful and that you
are resilient. Write that down and put it in front
of you. And when you wake up every morning, read
that to yourself. I am strong, I am powerful, and
I am resilient, and go get that job. Start work,
and if you don't get the first five jobs you
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apply for, keep going because you're strong, you're powerful.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
And you're resilient, and you're going to get one of them.
And then you're gonna get that job.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
You're going to start working and you're going to start
to feel the self forth that comes from making a
living and that you are an independent, free person that
you can do independent free things.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
No one has.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Control over you, but you you have allowed this person
to take control over you. You made some of these decisions
that got you into this mess, and now you're going
to make the decisions that get you out of this mess. Yeah,
and it's just a matter of time before you have
you have enough money before you're going to meet people
at work. You might meet somebody that you can live with,
you might meet a roommate. These are all probable situations.
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Once you start saving money, you can start looking into
who where you want to live, getting an apartment, living
with other people. It's okay to downsize, It's okay to
go through some difficult times as a transition out of
this life. What you are in search and pursuit of
is freedom. You don't have your freedom right now. So
you're going to get off of this call and you're
going to find your freedom. You're going to take one
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step every single day. You were going to take one
step in the direction of getting your life back to
a place where you're making decisions for yourself. And then
you're gonna take your dogs with you when you leave.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Hell yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, no. I needed to
hear that. I did.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
So when this episode comes out, I want you to
play this episode and you write down all of these
things I'm saying to you. You need to wake up
every morning and talk to yourself in a way that
you have not been talking to yourself. You're independent and
you can be free. Okay you are. We're not living
in this I mean, we are living in a little
bit of a fucked up world right now. But you
still have your freedom, so fucking get it while you can.
(44:32):
You have a whole life to live without him. Yes, yeah,
and you have sex to go have. You have to
go have sex with people.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
I know. I know I miss that too, trust me.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah, So come on, like you know, what to do?
You know what the answer is here. You have to
listen to yourself. Yeah, you're gonna want progress.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
I'm gonna want progress reports from you. Okay, yeah, no, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
That's okay. That's that's what I was hoping for.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
It's okay. You're gonna have some days. It's not gonna
be fucking sunshine. And like what Chelsea said, like you
might not get the first job or the second job,
but you have to. I think what she's saying about
writing those things down, it's true. When she just said it,
didn't you feel like I can fucking do it.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
She may push play this fucking.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
Podcast in your ear like on a loop and hear
her voice in your head because you can do anything,
and you're what you tell yourself is very powerful. And
don't throw out baby steps for like what's giant steps?
You know, it's like little compounding, Like little small steps
can make a giant one.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yes, And also just remember every single just because you
haven't exerted your powerfulness and being an empowered woman up
until hair. You know, maybe in moments you have been,
but all over like you have a reservoir of resilience
inside of you that you have not tapped into yet.
Do not doubt the power of being a woman. Don't
ever doubt yourself. Okay, you can doubt yourself for a
(45:59):
minute or here and there, but you always have to
come back to the idea that I can do this.
I can do this, and you're going to show yourself
with every step. So next week I want you to
send to Catherine and me a list of the places
you've applied, what happened, Which jobs have you gotten, any
job opportunities? Have you accepted a job? Let us know
and check in so you can be accountable to us. Okay,
because we'll be here for you.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Thank you. Yeah, absolutely, I mean it. I mean it.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
We're going to get you out of this situation and
we're going to get you out of it in a good.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Positive, healthy way.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Okay, because you need to be surrounded by other things
other than this.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
This is not this is not the way to go
through life.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
Deserve more.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
Thank you very much. Like I don't know if that's
like why that's what I needed, But I am very capable.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
You are than you are, Yes, yes you are okay,
all right.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Cool Shannon, thank you and we'll be in touch Okay.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Bye, Shannon, Bye, Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
Got that for sure.
Speaker 6 (46:55):
Bye talk soon, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Okay, we're going to take a break and be right
back to wrap up with Leslie Bib.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
And we're back with Leslie Bib. What a whoopsie doodle
that was fuck, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
You know, Chelsey, it's remarkable and I'm not blowing smoke
up your ass, but like it's remarkable, like the way
you make people and especially women feel like we can
do anything and that we've got this and you're this force,
this power, and the way you're so smart and you're
so funny and you're so quick, and you've got this
(47:35):
enormous heart, and like the grace you gave that young
woman and the great advice you gave her, and you
just feel like you can do anything with You're such
an amazing person to have in your corner. It's really
You're You're You're an extraordinary person. You really are.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Thank you right back right back at you, lay right
back at you, and you too, Catherine, look back at you.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Likewise, Yeah, let's great advice today.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah you did, you did you great? You brought it.
You brought it.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
Like that's a heavy thing, Like because you tell yourself
you make this choice when you're a kid. I was married.
I married somebody, and I just thought, like I picked
the guy who was right on paper, he wasn't that
great to me. It was like all the things we
were we were not suited. He wanted like a giraffe,
(48:27):
you know, he wanted a zebra, and I'm a giraffe.
And it's like I just thought, you know, I think
women think we think we can just like compartmentalize and
I can beat this and I can do this, and
I can sort of fragment myself enough to make everybody
happy and instead of saying, no, this isn't what makes
me happy and like sort of that to go back
(48:47):
to Mike, to live your life unapologetically.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Well, I appreciate everything you said, and I appreciate you,
and I I'm so happy for your success. I'm so
excited for you and all of the things that are
to come, and I just can't wait to see you
again in persons, And thank you for being here on
Dear Chelsea.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
You were awesome.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
We loved thanks.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
And you made great faces too.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yes, best faces, best faces on the show, Leslie bit everybody.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
All right, guys, thank you so much. I'll see you later, Chess.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Okay, have a great day.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Hi bye, Do do do Do Do do drum roll
Catherine please Chelsea Handler abroad. Abroad is my European tour.
So I'm coming to obviously find.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
A husband abroad.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I need to get the help out of this fucking
country and it's not as easy as you think. So
I'm coming to Rekuvic, I'm coming to Dublin. I'm coming
to the UK. I'm coming to Brussels, Paris, Belfast.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
In May and June.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I'm coming to Oslo, Stockholm, to Copenhagen, Manchester, London, Glasgow,
New Zurich, Vienna. I've ever been to Vienna, Berlin, Barcelona, Lisbon.
I'm coming abroad.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Is abroad that sounds like fun.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
I'm going to go see you abroad.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
I right out. I want to go see me abroad
and there all be, there all be upcoming Vegas, States,
April eighteenth, July fifth, August thirtieth, November one and twenty
ninth at the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
If you'd like advice from Chelsea, shoot us an email
at Dear Chelsea podcast at gmail dot com and be
sure to include your phone number. Dear Chelsea is edited
and engineered by Brad Dickard executive producer Catherine Law and
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