How to Giggle with Hannah Berner + Paige DeSorbo

Giggly Squad Paige DeSorbo and Hannah Berner are here to talk about losing brain cells while writing their new book, How to Giggle, Hannah’s embarrassing choice to get married, and why you should choose your own boyfriend. Then: A single girlie finds her married-with-children friends don’t have the time - or the budget - for the fabulous outings she’s planned. A stinky boyfriend is on the bubble.  And a 30-something wrestles with a toxic ex sliding into her dm’s. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Hi Catherine, Hi Chelsea, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm so great.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
I'm so great.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm here my last day of Whistler. I'm leaving.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Doug is staying for another week because he loves it
up here so much, My little lion bear fucking love Doug.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Is he coming with you or are you going back
there again?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm going to come back and get him in a week. Yes,
I'm going to come back and get him in a week.
I do want to make announcement. I'm a European tour.
We had to cancel Dublin unfortunately because something came up
that I can't that I can't rearrange. So I start
out in Rekuvic and all the other cities I'm still
coming to. I think that starts May eleventh, so I'm
not coming to Dublin, but I will be in Belfast

(00:42):
and Paris and Brussels, Amsterdam, Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Manchester, London, Glasgow, Zurich, Vienna, Berlin,
Barcelona and Lisbon. And most of the shows are almost
sold out, so if you haven't gotten your tickets, to
get them now. And I don't think I'll be adding
second shows on this tour because my schedule is so crazy.
So we were talking about it, but I'm not. I

(01:02):
don't think I'm going to do it for my sanity.
That's what you learn when you get older. And then
of course there's Vegas, you guys, my next I'm going
to be in Vegas next weekend April eighteenth, and then
July fifth is my next Vegas date, so get your
tickets for that. And I have summer dates all all
through I mean all throughout the year.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'll be in Vegas once a month.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, you'll be there in the heat of the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I know, I know. I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
And I hope everyone is checking out my stand up
special The Feeling on Netflix. Thank you for all your
messages about it. Thank you for all your messages about
my book that I still get coming in all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I love that. Yeah, it's all great, It's all great, wonderful.
That's great. Life is great.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I started mountain biking and Whistler because the seasons are changing.
I brought my e bike up here. So I am
becoming a full blown lesbian.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Our guests today are the hosts of the Gigly Squad,
which is a very popular podcast and they have a
new book out called How to Giggle. So please welcome
Hannah Berner at page Oh hi girls, Hi Giggly swad Girls.
Paige of Soorbo and Hannah Berner. Look who we have
in studio today. Actually, we're not in studio. No one
is in the same place. You too, aren't even in

(02:11):
the same place. Have you guys thought about moving in together?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yet? We don't spend any time together. This is strictly business.
It's a very transactional relationship. Yes, yeah, okay, I understand.

Speaker 6 (02:22):
We say that we're in a non sexual marriage. Like
most of America.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I yeah, most yes, most married people are not having said, well,
Hannah's married. I find one of the most surprising things
about you, Hannah is that you're married. And I kind
of object to it.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's so embarrassing, and I feel like, I feel like
we'd be better friends if I wasn't married.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's I think you would have a lot more friends
if you weren't married. I feel like it's like when
I had a friend recently who got pregnant unexpectedly and
I was like, so sorry, Yeah, I was like, you can't,
you can't are you are you going to keep it?
And she's like, I've been thinking about him. I definitely don't,
you know, like, look at the world. It's a disaster.
What are you gonna do with that baby? And then

(03:06):
she did decide to keep me, and you're like, hey,
and all of the other part of this trend group
we were having dinner and I was like, is anyone
else kind of bummed about this baby?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
And both of the women who are.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Mothers were like, yeah, we're disappointed that she's having a
baby too, Like we are all in concert. Everyone is
in agreement except the woman having the baby.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well, it's true, it changes friend dynamics. Paige has this
thing where she's like, you can't have a baby until
I have a baby.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, that's where I'm drawing the line.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, but she's newly single, so I'm like, okay, Well,
like my husband's old, so he's running out of time.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, your husband is just like this like ghost like figure,
where is this person?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
I actually wanted him to say hi, but then I
shoot him out.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, I want to ever see him. I don't ever
want to see him.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
It's better own.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
When Hannah got married, she literally didn't post a single
picture of her husband. It was just pictures of Hannah
in her wedding dress.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
But you know what, Chelsea, we did reality TV for
a second and he was on it for like a second,
and it's one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made
in my life. And I just don't want to subject
anyone I love to my shit, do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
That's nice?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And I don't want to be subjected to him either,
quite frankly, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I want more of you and less of him. I
think there's a comic Erica Rhodes. She just posted something like,
you know your friend's in a good relationship when you
barely know her your her husband's name. Yeah, you know
your friend who's always talking about the guy You're like,
I think you're gonna murder him at this point.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, no, I've met Dez four times. It's also good.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
It's also good to be low key married because you're
not really dealing with that aspect of things on top
of your career. You're not also going out with, like,
you know, having like turbulent relationships, which is what would
be happening anyway, you know, and downs. That's the one
pro so that's a good thing about being married is
you don't have to date.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's less bad than having a kid. Literally, Chelsea, I
don't have to worry about the other dating apps and
what do I text this guy emoji or no emoji?
Because you know I was in the weeds with that
back in then.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I know, I'm sure you are you guys. I read
your book. I read your book. The girls have a
new book. First of all, you know them from the
Giggly Squad. They have a new book called how to Giggle,
which is them talking about their high levels of stupidity,
also in concert with all of the things that have
made them successful thus far, which is like one chapter

(05:37):
is called how to be Zululu, which is short for
which generation are you?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Guys? You guys are gen z No? No, no, no,
we're millennials. You're millennials.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Okay, so hard for millennials, you guys, I don't know
what generation is?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
What I don't know what generation I am either.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Millennials like a slur, now, I know, I know it's
not It's not a compliment, So that's why I was
trying to avoid saying it. But Delulu for all of
those who don't know what that means is delusional. But
I love that chapter because it is really fucking true. So, Paige,
why don't you you tell me about your delusion and
how it got you to be successful?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, I really think that.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I I'm drinking a course light by the way, sorry.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
As you should. As you should.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
I think that when I started on social media, I
wasn't nervous to start because I truly was delusional, Like
I was too dumb right to think of like people
judging me.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
It never crossed my mind.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, So like when Instagram came out and it was
like you have to have a following to get anywhere
in life, I was like, oh, well, I have to
try and get a following. So when I would put
like Instagram videos out, I wouldn't even think of haters,
Like it wasn't even on my mind at that time
because I was just delusional, Like I didn't think anyone
would dislike me until I went on reality TV and

(06:57):
then I was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Again, yeah you can be just like on a nice,
big level. So you met on Summer YouTube, met on
Summer House.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
We met like the year prior, but like very briefly.
But yeah, then we re met on Summer House and
became and best friends.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
We were the two new girls, so like you walk
into an already established like friend group, and we were
so scared. Yeah, and like we've never shot reality TV before,
so we had this kind of trauma bond. But you
know when you look at another girl and you make
eye contact and you're like, oh, she's on the same
page as me, Like this is fucking crazy, And so
it really was a trauma bond that I think makes

(07:33):
people closest.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, I mean reality TV is pretty traumatizing for all
of the people who are subjected, for the people who
were on it, and then for them people who view it.
It's trauma all the way around. Yeah, it's a full
circle moment.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
My favorite thing is when I meet people who like
watch whatever show we were on and they're like, you guys,
just like make me feel so good about my life
on service.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Paige and I we were reality TV fans. Like again,
like I would watch Fando Pump Rules when I had
a bad day and I was like, Okay, at least
like my best friend didn't punch me in the face
for sleeping with Jacks, Like that was how I went
to bed at night.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I want to circle back to the delusion part
because you talk about it to Hannah in the chapter
they they h speak on everything in both Chaps and
and they both God, fuck this cores light is really
hitting me.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I was gonna say the book has made you dumber.
She's like, you, guys didn't form one full sentence in
that book.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
No, but talk because I.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Love this idea and I think more people should subscribe
to him. You know, regardless of what medium you work in, Like,
it is really good just to be have your dreams
at the front and center of your mind and really
believe in yourself and have blind faith in yourself, because
if you don't believe in yourself, there's not going to
be anybody else who believes in yourself.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
And that works.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
It's like, yeah, you know, it's like faking it till
you're making it, but it really that also works.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I believe. You know, We've always been obsessed with seeing
like how people make it, and I realized, like the
first step is that person alone, somewhere has to decide
that they can do it. If you don't at least
decide you want to do it, you can never make it.
And it's been fascinating to see, Like the delusion is
like the fun part, but it's really just being brave

(09:20):
and it's just saying if you want to do something
like say it out loud and go for it, because
so many people will sit back and complain why something
didn't happen to them, and it's like, but you didn't
even try.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
Yeah, And I think, like I think Hannah is very
much like that's the other part of our book, like
we are best friends. I wouldn't do half the things
I do if I didn't have Hannah, Like I would
never go and do like a live tour, Like I
don't know how you guys do stand up like on
by yourself on the stage, Like that makes me so

(09:51):
anxious and so like when we do our like live shows,
I would not be able to do it without her,
like knowing she's on the stage with me.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, you talk about having a panic attack before one
of the shows, right, And when you guys go on stage,
you're not page you're not doing stand up, right, you
guys are just doing your podcast or no.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
It's like a I mean, we're doing the same show
at every show, but it's it's ad lib of us
in our podcast format, but it's like segments like we do.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
A power point. The power points are hilarious.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's, oh my god, what a nightmare to create a
power point. Oh it's like, my worst nightmare is to
be in an office and have someone tell me that
I have to start that I have to create a
power point.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Chelsea, we have a gen Z doing child Labor who
made the PowerPoint for us. We didn't make the power point,
but it's so funny to just press the next slide
and there's like a funny photo. It's really good comedy,
really high level. But with Page she's hysterical, and I
think I saw that in her. But she jokes, She's like,
I would never do stand up because I don't want
to stand for an hour, which is just that's why

(10:55):
we're best friends, because we're different in those ways.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
When what what was I gonna say?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Every brain cell has been burnt. I'm fighting in my
life where but Chelsea, even like what you've done and
with stand up, like there wasn't women in late night
talk shows everywhere to see like you had to first
consciously decide that can be me, and and you didn't.
No one like forced you into it. It was you

(11:26):
and then even women doing stand up like us taking
up space is us having to be brave and not
caring what people think.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, absolutely, you kind of you do.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I mean it's it's a hard it's hard to navigate
because people assume that if you are acting in a
brave way, you don't give a shit what anyone thinks.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Of course you care what people think. A human we're
all human beings. Yeah, we all get our feelings. Her
we feel like we're not good enough at certain points
in our lives. I was telling Paige Hannah before while
you were trying to figure out how to work a microphone,
I was telling Paige how much I liked the pictures
of her in the book as a young girl, because
she looks like a young woman at like six years old.

(12:03):
She looks like a little like a woman like her.
Her features are already womanly. But she's an a an
Ai baby. I love Ai when they do. I follow
this site called Tiny Gentle Asians. They have really cute
little Asian babies, but sometimes they there's because of that algorithm.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Because I look at that site, I get all.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
These other little Asian babies sent to me and then
but some of them are AI where they have long
hair and makeup and they have like a briefcase, and
you're like, where are they going to?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
You know, like women like little women.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I don't want babies, but I do want little as.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I love looking at babies, Oh God, I love them,
especially real big ones, you know, like when they're oversized.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, oversized.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I just don't understand why anybody ever has a thin baby.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
The whole point is to have meat, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
You have you need the meat to grow rolls, and
you want to be snugly, Like who wants to snuggle
with a little skinny baby?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Nobody?

Speaker 6 (13:00):
And if I have to carry it around, I want
to get a workout into yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Know, like I'm not just And also hide food in it,
you know, in its little roles or whatever.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Use it for storage.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I want to see. I wanted to jiggle when it laughs.
But Page was a limited to She was a limited
to model, like she was the girl.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
In the magazine Your Baby, Well you were Your baby
was a limited edition baby.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
No. I was like the fabio of teen novels. Like
when I was twelve to fourteen, I was on every
teen novel cover.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Never read one of them?

Speaker 3 (13:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh really really? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Oh interesting, So you were, Oh that's so funny. How
many teen novels can they put you on?

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Oh my god, I was on like fifteen of them,
as different characters are the same.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, so that's really stupid, but I'm glad you made
money doing that.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Let's talk about decentering men, because there's a lot of
people sitting that have issues or thinking about ways in
which we can handle men.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
And now we're living in a.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Time where women, I think in general, are pretty sick
of men. It's pretty much out like the cats out
of the bag that you know, you've really got to
step it up to be respected. And there are great
men out there that that do step it up and
do like stand with women.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
But there's a lot of things that overshadow that. So
we're having a loser epidemic for sure. Yeah, what do
you think that's about. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
I saw there was like a study or something like
the rate of how many more women are graduating college
and own houses and how like it's society TikTok.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, society has society hasn't caught up.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
That, like men need women more for marriage because like
we don't need them anymore for financial support, and so
I just think it's so funny that like the world
hasn't won't admit that, but like we may.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Their lives so much better, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, also it's just because we don't need we don't
need them for those things anymore. We don't need them
to buy the house anymore, and we don't not we
don't need their financial input. So it kind of leaves
men with like, Okay, now you have to actually show
us what other valuable things you can contribute because that's
not a necessity, and they're like, wait, what, like what

(15:24):
else do I have? You know, you have to be charming,
you have to be kind, you have to be charismatic,
you have to be actually all the good things that
are more important than you know, finances. Although you do
have to have some money, you can't just fucking be broke.
It's like, come on, I mean, you have to have
your shit together one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
We're a big proponent of like being single is so
much better than being in a relationship that isn't the
right fit. Where I think there was a time where
it was like just being in a relationship and being
picked or chosen by a man meant you were successful.
And then we realized like, oh no, that could actually
be so much worse for your mental health. And we
Paige and I are both guilty of being boy crazy.

(16:03):
And I used to make so many decisions based on well,
is he gonna be there? Is he gonna like this?
And I was so good at morphing into like the
perfect girl. I thought a guy could be, like, we
should get oscars with some of the performances I had
in my twenties. And then once I realized, if you
get the guy and you're not being your authentic self,
you become a shell. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I once pretend to be into the Grateful Dead.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I was dating this guy named Brett and he was
a dead he loved the dead, and he was from
Jersey was and I just pretended that I was a
dead head, like I was like, oh god, I fucking
love them. I've been to like forty shows. I've just
made up cities that I had seen them in. So ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
First of all, I was lying to him about my
age too.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think I was seventeen at the time, because he
was a twenty he was like twenty eight, So I
lied and said I was twenty one and I hadn't
even been to half of the places that I, you know,
pretended I had been. And then when we got there,
I was like, oh my god. Like I tried to
listen to one of their albums before the Clausner, like
I was.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Gonna pick up all of them. There's all there's like
no fucking lyrics to their song.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I was just fucked up at these shows, you know,
it's like, oh, Scott, I.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Was doing a lot of crowd work about like what's
something you pretended to like for a man? And the
comments were so funny, like girls would yell Anal his parents,
Harry Potter, it was everything. And look, I appreciate a
man with a hobby. I do like them being busy,
and I do like you learning from a man, but
just making sure that you're not he's he's attracted to

(17:35):
you for who you are and for who he is, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Right, and also finding out if we like them, like, yes,
it's not an audition.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
You're auditioning for me. I am not auditioning for you.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I had this friend who set me up recently with
a guy, and I wasn't into him, and she's like,
oh god, I go thanks for setting me up.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
But that's not it gonna work.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
There was a couple things that I just was were
boner killers immediately, which is almost anything with me these days,
and and she was like, God, I find him so hot.
I'm like, well that's the problem. Then you fucking go
out with him? What do you find him so hot?
So you wanted to vicariously fuck him through me?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
So what are you doing? Then you state him?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I do live vicariously through page though. Now she's single,
and I'm like, what are we doing? And She's like,
now doing a life going? How single life going?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Page?

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Honestly, I haven't really like I haven't felt like I've
gotten to enjoy it because I've been doing so much
and I and that's actually probably the best part about
being single. Being home by myself on a Saturday night,
I fucking love it. Like there's I've never gotten bored
by myself.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm with you on
being alone. When I'm in Whistler, I like to get
into bed at around seven thirty.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
Yeah, And like being being in my thirties and being
single it's so I was really nervous. I was like,
because I mean, when I was twenty five, I was like, oh,
I'll obviously be married by my early thirties. And now
that I'm thirty two and I'm single, I'm like, I
couldn't imagine I would not I don't think I would
like it.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I'm not ready. I already know I'm not ready. Yeah, well,
that's great that you know that.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
So talk about decentering men though you guys never answered
that question. Oh yeah, stay focused, Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I just want to ask Chelsea questions about her life. No,
de centering men is so so important. We have a
whole part of the book where it's like list all
these things that don't involve a dude. It's kind of
like the Bechdel test, where like being conscious that you're
not making all your decisions based on if a guy
likes you, and page you remember your therapist what she
said to you about like how you sometimes wait for

(19:36):
men to choose you.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
I had a therapist one time tell me that, like
I've never picked my own boyfriend, and it just kind
of like hit me, and I mean she was exactly right,
and I was like, I couldn't ever get that. Yeah,
I've never gotten over it. I'm like, oh my god,
I haven't picked a single one of them. They've all
picked me, and I've just like gone along with it.
And when I was first going on a reality show,

(20:00):
I was dating a guy and he said to me,
if you go on this reality show, I'll never speak
to you again. And in my head I was like
easy done, Like I'm going on this show, and that
man truly did never speak to me again. But like,
if I had made a decision based on my career
because he didn't want me to, like, I don't know
where I would be. So I feel like that too,

(20:22):
is like a part of decentering man, Like you can't
make decisions based on what they're telling you or what
they want, because again, they're losers.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
And you know we are that. I feel like that
last generation that had the Disney movies of like the
Prince is going to save you, And I feel like
it's important to have that relationship where you find the
guy who on paper is everything you want, Like he's tall,
he's charming, he's successful, but he's not right for you.
And like, to me, that was signing a deal with
the devil. Like, I don't know if you guys have
ever been in that situation where you got the guy

(20:52):
and then you realize like, oh no, I've I've done
this all wrong. So to any girl listening thinking that
a certain guy who you're making up in your head
because we get very creative when you're filling in the blanks,
is going to make you happy, it really isn't. Happiness
is when you know yourself and you're comfortable in your
own skin and the guy who's with you just like

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amplifies it and elevates you. Honestly, if he's not bringing
value to the relationship, we don't have time.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I think that it's interesting what we are willing to
kind of like give away of ourselves as women for
not just men, for lots of things. Like you're willing
even when you meet a new friend. Sometimes you'll pretend
you're interested in things. I have a friend who is
different depending on who she's hanging out with. Yeah, I
mean she's not a close friend obviously, because I fucking

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hate that shit.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh you hate children? I hate children? Like, yeah, you
know somebody.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Who changes their temperature based on who they're speaking to.
And I think women could do that a lot because
we just always are trying to please people. But it
is very empowering to finally sit step back as a
woman at whatever age you are, and realize, oh, actually,
I'm the one, like I have to choose. I'm choosing
to be your friend, I'm choosing to be going on
a date with you, and being the one that is

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behind those choices.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, people around you, I'm just saying therapy speak now.
But Paige and I have been deep in therapy.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
People. Do you guys go to therapy together? Because you should.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
We have had a lot of podcast duos. Do Paige
and I weirdly don't fight about anything, Like.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Okay, that's not weird at all, by the way, that's.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
What we thought about one thing, and I haven't really
let it go. Hannah, Yeah, that was fucked up. That
day we hosted the Vanity Fair oscar red carpet and
I had a dress on that had a slit on
my right side, and so like you should have thought
about and so like I really needed to stand on

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a certain side. But it's Hannah's bad side. Paige doesn't
have a bad side, and she wouldn't let me stand
on that side, and I death stared her at the
entire time.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh yeah, which is your good side, Hannah?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
My left side is good side. The other side is
like monster monster, Yes, I yeah, it's yeah, yeah, Page.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
You don't seem like you have a bad side.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
So that's why I was like, you have a slit
in your little princess dress, bitch, get to your side.
I don't want to she from.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
She looked at me like she was my child and
like I was sending her off to summer camp for
seven months. Like she looked at me and she was like,
I'll literally die if you make me stand on the side.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
And it's like we're very.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Like low priority friends, like you know those friends were
they're always looking for a problem, like you know, you
can't make dinner, and they're like you always do, like
they make things into bigger things.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Where we're low maintenance friends.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
We're very low maintenance friends. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, it's really but it's really hard to have high
maintenance friends in this you know, in this climate, in
this political climate climate, it's hard to stay in touch
with anybody.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
We're fighting for a fuck lives right now. Save yourself.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
You girls talk a lot. We are we are fighting
for our lives.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
You girls talk a lot about we're about to just
be disenfranchised from voting completely, so especially married people. So
there you go, Hannah again, another wing Winter Winter Winter.
You guys talk a lot about being nervous, like and
you do so much. I mean, your social anxiety you
talk a lot about and you talk about talking about
that a lot, but you're both public doing public facing things.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
So when you have that, how does that work?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
How do you manage your social anxiety if you are
a blocker?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, a per panet all.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, I gave I gave them on to my
friend the other morning when she woke up. She had
done mushrooms the night before, and she was all anxious
the next day. And you know, sometimes mushrooms hit weird.
You guys don't do enough drugs. I feel like your
generation is it doesn't do enough drugs.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
So I don't know, we're mollis. We've done drugs, but
gen Z they don't.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, that's the generation. They don't do. Even their teen
pregnancy rate is even down.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, they're not even their parents' basement.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
They're not even sneaking out.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
They're not even getting fingered on the side of their leg.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
They're using therapies week. How do you get fingered on
the side of your leg.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
When you're like, you know what, You're like fourteen and
he has no idea what he's doing, and you're like,
that feels so good, and then you tell your friends
you're like, We're like, we had the best time.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's my thigh.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, we're gonna take a break and we'll be right
back with Hannah and Page.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
If you'd like advice from Chelsea, right into us at
Dear Chelsea Podcast at gmail dot com. We'd love to
hear your questions for any juicy story you'd like advice on,
and this week we're especially looking for questions about dating.
If you are dating, if you're single, if you have
issues with someone that you just met, if you have
issues with someone that you've been dating for a while,
please write in at Dear Chelsea podcast at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
And we're back with Hannah and Paige from the Gigly Squad.
We're talking about their new book, How to Giggle Catherine.
We're going to take some callers and you guys could
give your sagacious advice.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
All right, well, our first question is just an email
she's not joining us, but it comes from Carrie, she says,
Dear Chelsea, I'm writing to ask an etiquette question regarding
my nephew's wedding. The wedding invitations arrived and my grown daughter,
twenty seven years old was invited. However, her partner, with
whom she shares a home and a child, was not included.

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The two year old was not on the invitation either,
which I understand it'll be an adult's only event, but
I'm confused by her partner is not included, as they've
been together for five years. I can only assume it's
because they're not married. Should I say something or just
let it be? I do not think my daughter will
attend without her person. Thank you, Carrie.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
That's weird. I thought the rule was over eighteen you
get a plus one.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, not everybody invites you with a plus one because
but if you know somebody has a partner, they should
be invited. Yeah, and they have a fucking baby together.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
That is weird.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I would say something. I would say something, but I
say something about everything. So yeah, what do you girls
think I would say something?

Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's worth it. It would throw it out. There was
this the mom by the.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Way, this is the mom. Yeah, the daughter, this is
the mom.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Get your mom to call her. Yeah, to deal with
that exactly for sure.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
But also lose the baby. Don't include the baby in
that invitation. Nobody wants them there.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
I do think mom sometimes want to like make it
more drama than it actually is. Like it might actually
have just been an oversight. Maybe someone was helping with
the invitations and left off, you know, so I mean
act like, oh, maybe this was just an oversight, like they.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, yeah, but definitely bring it up.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah, all the wedding stuff. Weddings have become like I
hate to use this word, but shoo gee. Like it
almost feels like weddings have become like handmaid's daily to me.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
They have a certain like eeriness to them.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
The dad walking you down the aisle and.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
The like, Yeah, he's like very outdated in my opinion.
Weddings it's like, let's a date, this exactly exactly. I
felt awkward during mine, but it was fun mm hmm. Okay,
you keep telling yourself that, Hannah, I'm going to be
divorced by just back out.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
It was like the night I decided to try whiskey
sours for the first time, and I was like, I
love these.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I did that at my sister's wedding. I was like
sixteen years old. I went up to the bartender. We
were on Martha's vineyard, and I was like, what is
a drink that is going to fucking get me fucked up?
I was sixteen in my Laura Ashley bridesmaid dress and
the like long Island iced tea I had seven. My
father carried me up to my sister's honeymoon sweet and
put me in bed at like seven thirty at night

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and said, don't come down to the wedding again. That's
when I fell in love with alcohol.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I was like, I could use this to avoid weddings
then for sure.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
And you get carried, that's amazing. I want to get
carried everywhere. We actually in my wedding, we planned for
page to catch the bouquet, so we like fully cheated,
like fully like quarterback, like I called the shots. But
it's now, and.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
Really just because I didn't want anyone else to catch it,
not because I wanted to get married next.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I was just like, no one's catching my best friend's bouquet, right, well.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
That's now this video is going viral of the bouquet
being thrown and all these girls running away from it.
Like that's the theme now, Like I don't want to
get married next.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's cute. I like that.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah. Who Yeah, try not to get hit with the
bouquet is the new game there. You just try to
peg your friends like dodgeball.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yes, exactly, like tag you're it. That's actually that's an ominous. Yeah,
it's an ominous warning.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well, our next caller is Nora, and she had a
toxic X reached back out to her, so she says,
Dear Chelsea, I had one of the most heartbreaking breakups
last summer, a couple of days before my birthday. It
all started with me going out sailing with my boyfriend,
having a great time, about to say I love you
to him for the first time, when he stopped me
mid sentence and said, don't say it. And then long

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story short, she got wasted and got in banned from
like his yacht club. He then proceeded to ghost me
for two days and blow off the dinner I had
planned with him and a friend. After my friend left,
he broke up with me via text. We continued to
talk here and there. The following month, he'd say how
he missed our sushi knights together. Then one morning he
texted me saying we needed to cut ties because I
drunk texted him the night before. Not more than ten

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minutes later, he posted a picture on Instagram of his
new girlfriend, saying how he knew right away he found
someone special. It felt like a slap in the face
because he claimed he didn't want me to post us
together because I haven't met his eleven year old daughter yet.
This was a lie, since he posted the new girlfriend
a week after meeting and also met his daughter the
first week. Meanwhile, we dated for over six months and
he never introduced me to her. I never felt so

(30:46):
hurt or disrespected. I was planning to let the air
out of his tires, but saw his new girlfriend's car
in the driveway and not his. I got mad and
pushed over all his lawn furniture and went home. I
also signed him up for every cult and weird religion
out there when I was high with my friend one night.
We blocked each other since, but recently he's reached out
via Instagram to ask how I was doing, and they

(31:07):
say that he was sorry for the way things ended.
I told him I'm not ready to be friends or
talk to him. I ended up blocking him because I
didn't trust myself. However, hearing from him has brought back
all the feelings I felt for him before the breakup,
as well as sadness and anger I felt after the breakup.
I feel like sometimes I like the drama and secretly
I would love if he wanted to get back with me,
even though I know deep down I shouldn't any advice

(31:28):
on how to move forward and now let this affect
my dating life.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
Nora, I love your voice. I could listen to you
read stories.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I feel like all the thanks Page, Hi, Nora, how
are you Hi?

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:42):
I was surprised.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yes, this is Noura Dipsy doodles, my god, Hello, Laura,
say hello to Page and Hannah.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I love you guys.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
I listened Squad literally every week, and my friend got
freak out. I like, I'm so glad you guys are
a guest because literally obsessed with your guys.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Thank you so much. I thought you were a producer
was like.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Gonna fire us. He thought you were on assumed to
fire us, and Chelsea was just surprising us.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
She's an interventionist. We're intervening, but this is about your marriage, Hannah.
She's actually, this isn't a podcast, Paige, tell her what
we're doing.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, Norah's like, I'm does a secret family.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
You need to fucking wake up, Nora. First of all, okay,
you do not You cannot be attracted to men who
treat you badly. This is a condition and if you
don't learn it now, you're gonna continue to learn this
over and over and over again. You he is not
worthy of you. No man who treats you that way
is worthy of you. And regardless of what happened, and

(32:45):
like posting on Instagram that all of that is garbage,
it's all nonsense. You know, he's completely full of shit,
completely full of shit, and just did that to like
actively torture you, Like posting it.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Ten minutes after you spoke.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Is somebody who's actively trying to her your feelings and
you're saying that you like that.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
The girl who's dating was like, Okay, we need to
you need to post something because like we need Like
she was feeling insecure that I was still talking to him,
But I'm like, all you need to do is just
text me and say hey, I'm seeing someone and like
we can't talk anymore, instead of just post on Instagram,
which he knew is what I wanted for the next month.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
This is all like, I want to take everything he
said to you, everything he said to you, all of
your communication, put it in a big plastic garbage bag
over your head, and throw it out the fucking window
because none of the details matter. Nothing you said to
him and he said to you, You're like you're focusing
on the minutia of it, and this like what did
you say and what did he say? It doesn't matter.
He's a piece of garbage. He doesn't respect you, and

(33:46):
he's not careful about your feelings. So that's all You've got,
all that information, and that's all you need to know
to stay away from men like that, because otherwise you
keep repeating this nonsense. You know what I mean, And
as a woman, I can tell you it's true. You
repeat these cycles until you break them. So don't you
want to break the cycle and only date men that
are going to treat you with respect?

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Yes, and I have had long term relationships where I've
had boyfriends that treating me with respect, and I mean,
sometimes it's just not the right place or they're a
little bit boring. I guess I do like the drama
a little bit, but.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
We understand playing games. Paige and I love games and
we love getting obsessed with the guy who never lets
you fully have him. But as someone who's very competitive,
the way you really win is not getting him. The
way you win is him never having access to you
ever again and going and crushing it. That's you want
him to look at his phone and be like, I
fuck up with her, and that's the win.

Speaker 6 (34:45):
Hannah like, if I I also love a little bit
of toxic, Like I get the fun of like back
and forth and back and forth, and I get like
that can be exciting until it gets to a point
where it's just too much. And I used to do
this thing where I would like blo them and be like, Okay,
they'll never see me again. And then Hannah was like,
why would you block them? Let them see how much

(35:07):
better you are than them, And then I started like
posting for revenge, and then I would like want to
accomplish things in my career truly out of revenge, and
then I would do it and I'd be like, oh,
I actually started this because I wanted to get back
at some guy. But now I really am gonna go
on Jimmy fallon, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
And to see you. He can't even be in the
same room as yeah, like that's winning him. Him choosing
you and then fucking it up later is just waste
your time.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yeah, And I went to Japan and like he was
supposed to come and like he got to seal the
photos he missed out on. I went for two weeks.
I went on like a solo chip to Puerto Rico,
and that's when he saw it and was like, oh fuck,
like she's having an amazing time, Like yeah, I miss her.
And I'm like, yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
You can't meet a new guy unless you also like
close it with him. I'm about that with careers too,
Like you have to really close the door for other
doors to open. And I think you should torture him
by never talking to him again.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
But just posting like my travel and yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
But just also as a like an ethos to yourself,
you have to like make a promise to yourself that
you're not going to be that's beneath your set of standards,
Like you want your standards here and people need to
meet them, especially if you're going to be dating them,
and that's just the way it has to be.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, don't engage.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
And it did take six months to like really like
work on myself and like not date anyone, and like
I got to meet therapists and everything. So I feel
like I really learned how to be on my own
without dating because I was always dating someone or having
questioned someone because it's fun. But I was like, well,
I need to learn to just like be okay with

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my career, my friends and like but myself and as
the hardest part is always a learning process.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, but then you're going to realize like, oh oh
that that actually brings you so much more and long term, like.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Your career and your friendships are going to be there
for you.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
So throughout all these guys, however many men you end
up dating in your life, and there will be more,
you know, multiple people, hopefully you're not you know, like
that's that's a nice thing to have variety and have
different experiences. But yeah, I would say put all your
energy into your work and into your friendships and into
your family, and that's where you're gonna get the light back.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Not from as much fun as it is to like
have that toxic relationship. Sometimes it's so much more fun
when someone's obsessed with you, Like I really do believe
that the guy has to like the girl more, and
I love that, you know, I love when they're Also.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
There's nothing hotter than a guy who's like playing games
with you and you don't actually know what he's like,
Like you're making up in your head how great this
guy is. That girl's bored with him.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Yeah, Like anytime I see an ex with a new girlfriend,
I'm like, I feel so bad for her. She's like
a week away from realizing this guy fucking sucks.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Well he broke up with her after two months because
he's like, oh, yeah, I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Leave him out to dry, leave him to dry. Sorry
I'm yelling, Chelsea.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
It's like I'm like to the girl singers like, oh no,
like it did, Like it didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
She's actually like talking to him just yeah, how tall
is he? I need to know? I literally need to.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Yeah that.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
Would you even be responding no?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Which is also let's fast forward to it actually did
work out and you're in the kitchen with him one day,
and he's annoying you, and you hate how he breathes,
and you remember how he didn't even choose you the
first time around. You'll hit him with a kitchen knife,
you know, Like this is not good.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
What's up with a pet in your hand? Are you journal?
You always tell people write stuff down that I was.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I was, I was gonna take notes, but it turned
into hearts.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
And you're gonna take notes on She doesn't know what
she's talking about.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Honestly ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
It makes me look official.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Ura, Thanks for calling in. You need to get your
ship together. Okay, like, no more of this bullshit.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Okay, okay, everything else is good.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, everything else is good. But like, don't obsess over
this guy. I know that's easier said than done, but
you just hurt us. Like that's a waste of your time.
You're better than that.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
Okay, bye, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
We love you. Wait, Chelsea, look at my sweat that
This is what men do to me. I got pissed
at us. Call Hannah.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Looks like both of her under arms water just broke.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
She's sweating like she has diarrhea from under her arms.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Okay, it's actually a disease, Chelsea, So you should be
more sensitive because hyperhydros disease called hypo something.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Anyway, what who Okay? Our next caller is Joe Well.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Dear Chelsea, I'm a thirty seven year old single woman
looking for some advice on how to embrace and fully
enjoy my single life. For most of my life I
yearn to be in a relationship. But thanks to therapy
and You're Insightful podcast, I've come to realize that being
single can bring me immense joy. Recently, I've found happiness
and simply enjoying life, pursuing hobbies, traveling solo, making the

(40:23):
most out of every moment. I have a successful career,
own my home, and am surrounded by an amazing group
of friends. My life feels absolutely perfect, So what's the problem.
While I genuinely love my independence, I often find myself
wanting to share the experiences with someone, whether it's going
on trips, going out dancing, or having nice dinners. I've
noticed that most of my friends are in relationships, married,
or have children. This has made organizing activities a bit tricky.

(40:47):
They either have family commitments or financial responsibilities that make
it difficult to join in and while I'm not matter jealous,
I do miss having more spontaneous social opportunities. As I
grow older, I find that fewer friends are available for
a casual Friday night out. I also want to mention
that I don't want children, and while I'd be happy
to get married, I've stopped trying to date because it
just became too hard. So I'm focusing on living my

(41:09):
life to the fullest as a single woman. So I'm
reaching out for advice. Should I accept that as the
only single gal in my circle, I might have to
do most activities alone from now on, or should I
make an effort to find new friends who are more
in the same lane as I am right now?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
At Joell?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Hi, Joelle, Hi, Hi, Hi. This is Paige and Hannah,
our special guest today.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Hi Joell.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Hi, guys.

Speaker 7 (41:31):
This is so great you guys. I'd like perfect to
give me advice.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, seriously, I feel like we need to start a forum.
I mean, there must be some forums out there for
people who don't have children who need to band together. Right,
there should be some sort of where you can meet
people in your community who also have these same ideas
about life. Because you do, first of all, you have
to branch out and you have to make some new friends,
not replace your friends, of course, you know they can
be your friends, and you want to maintain friendships with

(41:57):
all the people that you know are.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Important to you.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
But yeah, there's plenty of people out there that are
doing exactly what you're doing that don't that that aren't
into that lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
But how do you go about? Where do you live?
I'm in Toronto, Okay, well that's great.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Well that's a big city, so that's going to be
that's not that's not that. I think you just have
to like get outside of your comfort zone and like
do some things that you wouldn't normally do. Just to
start taking exercise classes, like going to some sort of
art event, or going to like any any sort of
like group hiking activity, like doing things where you're just

(42:32):
going to meet people, you know what I mean that
you wouldn't normally meet in whatever you're doing thus far,
Like what's your social situation?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Like, like where do you what do you like to do?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I do?

Speaker 7 (42:41):
I like I obviously like exercising, and I love like
going to concert and things. I guess like it's just that,
like I'm thirty eight. So it's just at the point
of like, Okay, I guess my friends have kids and
they're like in the younger age, so I know that,
like yels will get easier for them to like want
to hang out. But this is like the age where
like they need a babysitter and stuff. So I'm just like, Okay,
do I wait it out or do I just like

(43:03):
exactly like you said, like try to find new friends, which,
like I hate meeting people, so I guess I need
to branch I meet people and just get new friends.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
To kind of do the activities I want to do.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I think you wait for your friends to get divorced.
They will soon give it.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Started flying their husbands, yes and or back. That's a
nice idea. That's a great idea. You guys, have you
done that? You thought about doing that? Joel? You know what,
I'll think about it.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I'll about it. No. I do think making friends as
an adult, Joel is so hard and weird. But what
Chelsea's saying is, I feel like there's so many people
just like you, like there needs to be an app
or something made and there. Paige literally sent me a
meme today talking about how these later in life. Friends
you make could be so special because they're like meeting
you when you're fully evolved. And what it sounds like,

(43:54):
I'm hearing two things. One that you love being single
and you love being alone, but you also yearn for
a little bit of friendship or possible relationships. So you
gotta get out of the nests a little. That's the
first step, even though it is uncomfortable, but I think
the rewards will be big.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
Yeah, are you on like dating apps or how are
you meeting people?

Speaker 7 (44:13):
I am not on day y Ops, there's just the world.
I know, I know, but it's yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
We're talking about friends and she you know, she's saying
that she's not that the dating thing isn't the priority
for her.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I think, right Joelle, it's friends.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
Oh exactly. If I meet someone, that's great. But like
right now, I'm just like I'm good being single. I
just end my life and just not have like any
boy drama for now.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I respect that and that's fine.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Like you can take a cooking class, you know, you
can like kind of just like bounce around to do
different things that may seem like corny or whatever, or
like out you know that you wouldn't normally do, or
even if it feels like it's a couple's thing, like
you go like sign up for some hiking class or
some like short you know, five mile like running.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Chelsea wants you to hike so bad. I don't keep
saying hike it.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Whenever I think about things group activities, I think of hikers.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Actually, one of my friends randomly joined like took a
battles anonymous, like like just like wanted to take ballet
and just like see what it was like.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
And she was obsessed with it.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
And she met like this whole group of girls that
like can't do ballet, and now they hang out like
outside of ballet instead.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
There's something about getting older where you get connected to
your and your child again, where you're like, wait, what
did I love to do? Or what do I want
to do? And Paige and I were starting this new
thing called hobbies. We never did it before. It's very difficult,
but trying, Like like what Chelsea was saying, random things
that you think you might like, it's so easy to
make friends while you're like doing pottery. You're like I
like your pot, and she's like I like your pot.

(45:41):
And you have a commonality instead of it and you
smoke pot, they smoke pot. But you don't have to
like creepily go up to someone like at a bar
and be like, do you want to be my friend?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah? Right right?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
But also just like expand your surround you know, like
broad in your horizons, Like do you just get out
and do some things that you haven't done in a while,
and with the vibe that you're down and ready to
make some new friends, and you're going to attract people
just by having that kind of energy, very positive, upbeat, optimistic,
just like looking for new connections.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I've made tons of friends.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I just turned fifty and I when I was forty,
I made a whole new group of friends when I
moved to Whistler, when I bought a place in Whistler.
I have like ten super close girlfriends that live here
now in addition to my regular rotary. Like, so you're
never going to stop making friends. And while it might
be like an awkward attempt in the beginning, it's a
good practice to keep going. You can then you start

(46:34):
traveling with people, you know, you meet people when you're away,
Like there's no shortage of opportunities to meet other people.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
It's really in the vibe that you're putting out.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
That's true.

Speaker 7 (46:43):
And actually like second part to that, like and I
feel like you guys probably like I don't know if
you have that issue, but like on the money aspect,
when you're making those friends, like sometimes that is hard
to be like hey, like I kind of like nice
things and want to got to nice dinners, but then
other people are kind of like, oh, I don't have
the disposable income like you guys have. Like this is
you have just like hey, like you're obviously in the
like bracket where you can like just afford anything that

(47:04):
you want, But then do you have friends that are
like not in the same bracket, and like how do
you manage that?

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Well, it's good, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
It is a great question.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
It's I mean, you know, in my situation, I just
pay for everyone all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
But I know that's not because I don't want to
fucking hear about splitting checks. I don't ever want to
hear about that.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
It's like just I would pay them extra money to
not hear that conversation, but I understand that's not a
reality for everyone. I would just be sensitive to other
people's financial situations and be like, yes, if you don't
have to cut someone off because they can't afford to
go to No Boo with you, but you can just
be mindful and go to somewhere, go somewhere with them
that is a little bit less expensive, and save Noboo
for your friends who are in the same kind of

(47:42):
income bracket. And there's also nothing wrong with you going
to do No Boo by yourself, you know what I mean,
and having a nice I've done that plenty of times
and I love that. So just really be mindful, I
would say, of the energy that you're putting out to attract,
Like there's a magnetism that we all have when we're
in like a happy, good, curious place, and that's where
you want to be when you're meeting people. And you know,

(48:04):
you could take a dance class, you could do any
of that, any of those things.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
You could go play pickleball. People love pickleball. I know,
I know.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I feel that's the way about pickleball too. Hannah likes pickleball.
No pickleball, I know, I'm kidding. She's a proper tennis player.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, so are you, ChEls. But I do like having
specific friends for things like you love sushi, you have
your girl you always hit up when you want to
go to sushi, or you have your like girl who
likes to do yoga with you or something. So that's
okay too. I think to have those people that you
pick for different events.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Right well, well, we're just focusing on getting her some
new friends. Okay, so not right now, she doesn't have
fifty to choose from. We want to make her go
out and get these friends and then yes, and then
you can pick ones for specific activities.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Chelsea, how do you approach people if you want to
be their friend?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
What do you do if I want to be someone's friend?

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, I'm full full right now, I don't have room
do I'll give you some of my friends, Joel, do
you want that?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
The rich one? I?

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Joelle is like, I want some sugar daddies, sugar mama,
sugar mamas.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Sometimes when I meet someone and I don't have time
for them, like the bandwidth, I give them to my sister.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I'm like, I have a new friend that wants a
lot from me.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Do you want her.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
To my Sister's like, I like her, I'll take her
once I did invite a bunch of people to a dinner,
including Page, and then I didn't show up, so Paige
had to hang out with them.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
That was the craziest move I got.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
I got a cough.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I had it all arranged and Joel.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
In the meantime, with your existing friends that you have,
you know, be be flexible about spending time with them
when they can, you know, so that you're not missing
them too.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
And I understand when people.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Have little children it's really difficult to make those kinds
of arrangements and it is kind of taxing. So but
you know, don't count them out. You know, you can
go and hang out over them. I know you don't
want to hang out with the kids all the time,
but like, you know, just be a little bit bendable
so that it works both ways.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
No, for sure, that's definitely something I can do.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, okay, so what's what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Now?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
What's what's your plan?

Speaker 7 (50:12):
Well, I guess I'm mean I go find new friends.
I won't do I won't do ballet, but I do
I do started playing tennis, So I think that's great.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah, that's so fun. A doubles league. You meet so
many people, right, you could.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Join a tennis club. That's such a fun backdrop. It's
like white lotus.

Speaker 7 (50:29):
Yeah, okay, well killed but yeah no, ya, yeah, it's
just like I guess it's just getting out of my
comfort zone. And like it was like, maybe like, oh,
do I wait it out a couple of years and
you know when my friends get available? But yeah, no,
as you mentioned, and I also read your book and
I love that part in Whistler when you made all
your new friends, like your skiing friends. So I was like, yeah,

(50:49):
maybe I'm just in the part of my life where
I can find like new single friends I want to do.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Like no, yeah, I'm always making friends, like seriously, I mean,
I know I joke about not wanting anymore, but I'm
always making new friends. And like, as you age, I
think you get better at making friends and you also
are more discerning about who you choose to be friends.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Very true, Harry, You're a better picker.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah, so pick wisely, Joel, You're going to have lots
of people wanting to be friends with you.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Amazing, And you have four new friends today. Where are
your friends? Perfect?

Speaker 7 (51:16):
Great, you're all in my hopefully in my back rackets.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Choosing friends financially, you have.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
To friends based on their financial situation.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
I mean, and I'll sie if I can make you.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Tax return and a therapy bill.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yes, all right, Okay, have a great day.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Thanks Joe, bye, Chelsea. I love how you hold people accountable.
You're like, so what are we doing when you leave
this call?

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I just feel like women need to know that, you know,
you you do make friends as you go through life,
like there, it's not like you just you make friends
and then that part of your life it's yeah, yeah,
and you have to be willing to, like, you know,
do stuff that you don't want to do. Like I
went mountain biking the other day. I mean, I didn't
want to do that. No, I don't know what the

(52:12):
point of me saying that is.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
But I.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Bought my friends here.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
The snow is not that great, and they're like, let's
I so I had my boat bike. I flew my
bike up and then they were like, okay, we're gonna
take you mountain biking now because this is what we
do when the snow is gone. And I'm like okay,
And then I went mountain biking. I'm like, I don't
really think this.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Is for me.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
No, I'm so adventurous, I know, but I'll do it
again because whatever.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
It's like. My friends like to do that, so I'll
do it with them.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You know, like you want to be like malleable, you're
not like rigid. I will only do this. I only
like to do this. I hate when people are like that.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, it's not. Some people have like friend groups since
they were like in elementary school, which I was always
jealous of.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
But then I was just gonna say that. Yeah, no,
I have a friend.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I have a friend who she and her nine friends
have been friends their entire lives. They're like, they're all
forty four and they've been together and it's so beautiful
and nice. But they all have other groups of friends too.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
You have to. You have to. Yeah, I went to
three different high schools, so I've always like.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Well, we know why that happened.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
We're going to take a break and we'll be right
back with Hannah and Paige. And we're back with Hannah
and Paige. Page Disorbo and Hannah Berner wrote a new book.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
They wrote it together.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
They actually wrote the book together, which is called How
to Giggle. And they're from the Giggly Squad, which is
your podcast that everybody loves and everybody loves to giggle.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
And Chelsea, we were very inspired by your books. Yeah,
your books.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Well, I didn't see that when you shouted out to
all of the icons in the book, I didn't see
my name there.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
So that's funny. You're on the back cover.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
That's funny you say that I saw Barbara Corkoran on there,
but I didn't see.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Hannah's obsessed with Barbara Corkoran.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
It's I have her name referenced outside of that show ever,
Barbara Kor talking about.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
This working alone, Chelsea, you have to have her on
the pod.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I have to find out who she is. Is she
the blonde woman from Tank with the short hair?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
She's a pip. You would like her. But Chelsea, we
got you to give a quote on the back. That
was the only quote I wanted, was Chelsea, I.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Don't know that because I got the book electronically. Hannah
souk Off. Okay, so there is no quote from me
anywhere to be found.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Do you know what your quote is? Do you know
what it is?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
What does it say?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
It says? I met them once.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Chelsea, that was before I even met Paige.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, one of them.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
One of them. I met half of them once I
forgot I forgot what it was.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Okay, well, Catherine, what else do we have we want
to close up with some I do.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Have one little quickie. If you're okay on time, gals,
we'll hit it hard. So this comes from m She says,
Dear Chelsea, I've been dating my boyfriend for about a year.
He's extremely attentive to my emotions, patient, passionate about his interests,
driven and successful. Problem is he's a slob. Not only
are the surfaces in his house always sticky, full of

(55:14):
crumbs and cluttered, but he often forgets to shower after
the gym and never puts the toilet seat down after peeing.
In the beginning of our relationship, I didn't say anything,
but after the first three months I spoke up about
how I'd appreciate him cleaning up after himself some more
when he's at my house. But it's fallen on deaf ears.
I have to keep reminding him. It's frustrating to sometimes
feel like I'm being a mom to him, but I

(55:34):
can't not speak up when he's leaving the toilet seat
up and leaving crumbs and messes everywhere he goes at
least once a week. I WinCE when he tries to
kiss me because of his stench. It's very unattractive.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I love him a lot.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
He's emotionally mature in ways I've never seen in a man.
But will his messiness and general lack of awareness about
things that aren't emotional in nature break us up?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
It's never going to work.

Speaker 5 (55:56):
Should it? Am?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I missus frustrated? It's over trained. Find a man who's
pre trained.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I'm not so gross.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I once dated a guy who had a funky smell
that came from his gut. I'm assuming, and he didn't
smell at in the daytime or at night, but in
the mornings, I was like, I can't deal with the smell.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Like it was strong.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
It was like this his bio bio gnome mom, whatever
whatever it was it was. It doesn't go away. Smells
don't go away. When someone doesn't, he's like a It's
like a feral cat.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
This guy.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
Also, I feel like nothing I'm married or like, wouldn't
know when it's like living with someone or whatever. But
I feel like it is those like little day to
day things that like keep you together. So like yeah,
he can be emotionally intelligent, but like he thinks, Yeah,
and I.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Care if he's ambitious. He's a literal skunk that's running
wild in your apartment.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, unless you're planning on removing your nose, Like you
have to move on.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
And find a different partner.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I also have a theory that you will fall in
love with your your partner's natural scent and like you
too have like a similar smell. I don't know I
made that up, but I feel like it's a no.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I think when you when it is, when there is
good chemistry, then the smell is good.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
You.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, what you smell is smells good to you when
there is natural But clearly that's not working because he's Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Like you get less UTIs and stuff with the right guy.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Oh god, haranging uti right now.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Yeah, that's kind of a thing where like sometimes you're
like smells don't work together and like you got right
know or whatever. I will also say, some of this
smacks a little bit of undiagnosed ADHD, So like get
him tested and get him on something and see if
that changes. That might be your last ditch effort.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Oh yeah, medicate him, Yeah, medicate him and then maybe
he'll start wiping his ass.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
I mean maybe, who knows. And also like he doesn't
get to kiss you if he hasn't showered, if he's stinky.

Speaker 6 (58:02):
I mean he could hire a cleaning lady. But the
not showering thing, that's like, yeah, I don't know if
you're changing that a person.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Whenever we do advice, I always envision it's the same people.
So like, this is the guy who started dating a
new girl, and this new girl is calling it about
how he smells.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
That's a great eye.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
That's a great idea for a podcast, actually, Hannah, Okay, well,
that was an upsetting way to end this episode.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
That was not what we wanted to go out with.
But that's okay.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I think it's apropos for our guests today.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Paige.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I don't mean to be so cutting towards you. This
is only directed towards Hannah.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I don't know you well enough to treat you this way,
so I just want you to know that is all. Hannah.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
No, it is such a privilege to get harassed by
Chelsea Handler. I want to do it all day long.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Do put your arms up for a sec will you please?
Both arms? Both arms.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
There we go okay, and we're wrapped for today. Have
a great day, girls, everybody. You can go get how
to giggle at your local bookstore, local bookseller.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Go buy your books and bookstores. People do do.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Do do do drum roll, Catherine, please, Chelsea Handler abroad.
Abroad is my European tour. So I'm coming to obviously find.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
A husband abroad.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I need to get the help out of this fucking country,
and it's not as easy as you think. So I'm
coming to Rekuvik. I'm coming to Dublin. I'm coming to
the UK. I'm coming to Brussels, Paris, Belfast.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
In May and June.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I'm coming to Oslo, Stockholm, to Copenhagen, Manchester, London, Glasgow,
New Zurich, Vienna. I've never ever been to Vienna, Berlin,
Barcelona and Lisbon.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I'm coming abroad. Is abroad that sounds like fun.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
I'm gonna go see I I know I want to
go see me abroad and there there, I'll be there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I'll be excellent. Do you want advice from Chelsea?

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