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May 31, 2024 12 mins

In the first of our new series of minisodes, Chelsea is joined by Jenny Mollen and Jason Biggs to tackle the marital conundrums of pillow placement, tolerable temperatures, and night sex. 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to a new segment of Dear Chelsea.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Call it Couple's Counseling with Chelsea, where we do couple's
counseling on all sorts of variations of friends, lovers, families.
I'm here with my friends Jenny Mullen and Jason Biggs,
and we are going to do.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Some couples counseling.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to my office, Welcome to Chelsea's Couple's Counseling.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Or where's the beef? Where's your beef with Chelsea? Where's
Chelsea's beef with you?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I don't know what we're calling the segment yet, but
these are many episodes, and I'm very delighted to say
with two of my very old friends, Jason Biggs and
his wife Jenny, which name are we using these days?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Mullin Biggs Handler.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, Jenny and Jason if you're familiar with them online.
Jenny is one hot mess and she loves loves to
get into it with her husband, who also really loves
to get into it with his wife.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I mean, you guys, are I would call you codependent fighters?
A real couple therapists would say that too.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yep, that you're codependent, very and does that have anything
to do with your disagreements?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes, okay, let's start with one.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
This is one that I actually I was As I
was reading this, I thought, wow, this sounds a lot
like me. So maybe I should be love making to
Jason every night. Jason, you sleep with a lot of pillows, right,
and you use pillows between your legs like you're like
a pregnant woman.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I do, yeah, and you And how many pillows does
that leave you with? Jenny? A single pillow? Okay, and
how many pillows are in the bed total?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, twenty six. I can actually count this up for
real and give you a real answer here. So I
have three pillows that are propped up that my legs
go on like that.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
It's because are you do you have a back issue.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Or any these lower backs? So this kind of gets
me in a nice position, you know, like in the.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Movies the eighties where somebody's like in a full body
cast and.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, in the hospital. Tell you what if, Jason, if
I could mount a like a wire from the ceiling,
like a gurney type situation to put my strap my
feet into.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
To alleviate the lower back, I would need to be.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Up to here's the other. Yes, exactly, So I have
those taking care of my legs, my lower back. I
also have shoulder issues, so so on either side of
my arms, I have both arms.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Do you have shoulder issues for eating so much pussy?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's that's my doctor says, that's one reason of many.
Also sucking a lot of dicky.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
So how's that? How does that work on your shoulders?
Because on your face dick today?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But I have so two arm pillows and then I've
got two pillows.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Behind, like an airplane pillow.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Like no, but I've I've I've used an airplane pillow
in bed before sometimes, but ultimately I abandoned that idea.
I just go with two. But like I have, one
of the pillows is like kind of a soft down.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
To those penis, like one of those airplanes.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Props, dick, like a cockering cockering, and the and the
second pillow is a temper pedic pillow. It's a whole situation.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
This sounds a lot like my situation.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
It's yeah, and that's the only him.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, well, how do you have sex?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Me?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
No, I don't. That's the thing. It's like a chastity wall.
So how do you if you are in the mood.
Are you in the mood?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, I don't have sex with him at night. Oh,
there's no way in it's a fortress.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Because well but hold on, you're gonna put it. You're
gonna point fingers at the pillows. For the reason that
we're not having night sex, it's also the fact night sex.
It's also the fact that night sweats and night sex.
It's the fact that you fall asleep at seven pm,
like after the kids got like or eight pm when
the kids die first.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
All, I also love that bad time for myself.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Well, by the way, me too, I'm not mad at this.
Just don't put false don't make false accusations as to
why we're not having night sex. We are both in
agreement that after any.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Person who wanted to have sex with you have sex
with you when you're in that contraption.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well you could, if you, Jenny in his defense, if
you really wanted to get after that body, you would
make your way through those pillows.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, if you guys had just started dating and he
was pulling that kind of janery, you would figure out
a way around it. You would get in there and
be like, I want to wake you up with another
blow job love my life.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
You're right, soul made interesting fact. Jenny puts me to
sleep with her blow jobs.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's how I love him to sleep.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yes, nice before a climax, before you even climax.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Just everything falls asleep. She just puts her lips around
my penis. I fall asleep first, then my penis falls asleep,
and then I don't know. I wake up and Jenny's
there somewhere underneath the pillow, sleeping, sleeping. Uh no, I
it's a conversation that could happen. You're wearing the next pillow.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Let's work on a plane, Jason, when you need all
of these accouterments.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, it's a whole situation.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
What do you do on a plane? Do you travel
with a pillow?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I will often do the neck pillow, even if I'm
flying flat. Neck pillow helps, But you know, I generally
ask for an extra pillow or I'm using a jacket.
I mean, it's a thing.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
And did this start like what age? When you started?

Speaker 4 (05:01):
It was definitely when I introduced the pregnancy pillow Chang's Life.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh that was I want one of those. I want
one of those.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
The pregnancy pillow was incredible because it's interesting. So I
start my night with arms propped up, legs propped.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Up, like a paralyzed person or someone who's recovering from
a massive injury.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
A massive whole body cast a motorcycle accident. Yes, in
an eighties movie, in an eighties comedy, in an eighties comedy.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Everything, do you have a straight jacket at the house?

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Only my eyes are showing and a hole for my
penis so she can put me to bed. But eventually,
at some point in the night I want to sleep
on my side. It's very strange.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I understand this. I'm just about to ask you what happened.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So at some point in the night, and by the way,
this is when I'm in that position, I'm above there's
no nothing covering me, So I have the air on
as low as I can get it, because she's wants
it on one hundred degrees and I want it on
fifty degrees, and so we try to compromise. But generally
that involves me being very hot at night and having
to sleep above the covers. At around above ground it's

(06:07):
an above ground pool, and Jenny's swimming in the deep
end of a nice inground beauty. At a certain point,
I do get a little chilly. Finally, when I can
she falls asleep. I'll turn the air down, I relax.
Whatever my body cools down, I will need to go
under the covers. But here's the move. I go on
my side and one leg goes under the covers. This

(06:29):
leg comes above the covers, so the covers are coming
between my legs with the pillows, the aforementioned pillows that
were form my legs here and then I'm on my
side here one of my arm pillows comes over. Because
if I sleep like this, my shoulders like off the
cocked right. So I'm like this, it's a good thing
you're taping this episode.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's just amazing that you're not Jewish. You know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
It is amazing, Okay, Because so when I'm skiing, I
always have back pain when I ski.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
So when I'm skiing, I sleep.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
With my legs up on a pillow because I always
want my knee to like de swell from the night.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
And then when I turn over, it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And what I really I put the pillows in between
my legs and I turn over and I have one
leg up. But what I realized was when you're on
your side like that. That's not helpful for your back.
That can irritate your back even more so I stop
doing that now. I only have pillows only when I'm
on my back.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
When I turn over it's flat.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, but so your knees are hitting.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, No, I put one knee like I do, like a.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Little like at this, like a this.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, especially a hot position.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
No, I think it could be a hot position for
you as well.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean maybe. Yeah. It's not going to change
our sex life, but it could be fun to just
do it. But you don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
I mean, if you guys. What's curious to me is.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
If you guys aren't having sex at night, when are
you having sex?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
And you're saying sex for us generally needs to be
a conversation and a plan. It's generally not spontaneous. Occasionally
it is what about where the kids go to see
And it usually takes a few days of talking about
it for it to happen. By the way, it's not
like it's not like, hey, babe, should we you know,
what are you doing in an hour? Are you freeing that?
It's like who wha? It is not like we need
to do it on plan for it on Friday's out

(08:05):
of the shower with a direction. Yeah, and I'll be like, baby,
you know what do you think She's like, no, no, no,
And then that so that's so that's Tuesday. She's like,
I can't. I'm not You're just gonna whip this out.
I'm just not. I have to go to a thing
in two hours. I'm like, so two hours. No, it's
just I can't. I'm not in the okay. And then

(08:25):
but don't act like you always want to have sex. No,
but then hold on, baby, I'm not done. And then
that's Tuesday Wednesday. She's like, remember yesterday when you, uh, well,
I've got you know, do you want to I'm like,
I sorry, I have to take a ship. Yeah exactly.
So then I go ship and then you know that,
and then that day is done. Well.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
The worst is when like will have sex and then
he's like, I need a poop, and I'm like, you
were holding poop in the whole time you're having sex.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Just maybe if he's gonna stick your thumb up my
asshole while we were having sex, you know that?

Speaker 1 (08:58):
You know that makes sure? Bathroom.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I don't know if anyone here is done anal, but
if you have, you understand that you get diarrhea for
about three days afterward.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I heard that from a very close friend. Really wait,
I never get diarrhea.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I mean, yeah, it's better than a you have it,
it's better than a collect Maybe.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
You're doing.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
My friend, ask your friends.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Who are you having anal sex with?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I mean, when I've had anal sucks.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Okay, so there's no hand holding in bed, there's nothing
like that. You guys are both going to your separate
camps essentially every night when you go to bed, right, And.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Do you ever go to bed angry?

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, more than you go to be like with
the ratio of like when you're having an issue, do
you normally resolve it or do you go to bed angry? Like?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Which which one is? We will go to.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Bed sometimes like exhausted by each other.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Do you ever sleep in separate rooms? No?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
No, you like, well, I mean if I fall asleep
in Sid's bed or something like that, But I don't think.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
We're ever like I'm going to another she sleeps.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
With and she sleeps with.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Listen, I had a friend, I have a friend. She'll
go She'll remain nameless. Who slept with her daughter and
her husband in their bed. They had their daughter until
she was sixteen years old, and they're divorced.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So that doesn't insane at all.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
They did not have sex for twelve years a couple
that was staying together, that was married, Yes, tell.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
See, but again this hold on. I just go back
to the sex part of this because nighttime, I like,
I hear that and I don't go, well, their sex
life is ruined because maybe it's because we don't have
nine to fives, it's different, but like.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
We'll like it'll be like it's more often like it's
daylight where like in the in the in the afternoon, yea.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
In the afternoon, you know, she's home, I'm home, Yeah,
and nanny took the kids somewhere and it's like, hey,
you know, and it finally aligned. Yeah, I don't have
to shop and she's not doing something, and then we'll
like do it. We're just like worked over.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, And by the time, yeah, I understand because when
you know, I'm always in the beginning of relationships now,
like so it's always sex because I don't see them
very often, so when I see them, it's not stop sex.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And I want to night time. I want to fuck
it out that way, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I don't want it to get to a point where
I'm like, not tonight, I'm too tired. I want to
be like it's to be a sexathon and then you
leave and I don't see you.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
For two to two weeks to two months.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
You know, when you've been in relationships, like do you
guys ever, Like does the sex ever migrate towards the day?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Absolutely? Day, night, sex on morning, all time. They're there
to fuck me, Like that's what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
The priority is sex for us. It's a bonus.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, well you have a family.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's just like yeah, okay, well too many balls in
the air, not enough balls in her mouth?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, Well, thank you for sharing your intimacy with us
and our listeners.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
You're welcome. That turned everybody on. Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
So you can check out Jenny mull and substack The
Best Friend Experience.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
And her new side hustle The Shirts Off My Back,
where you can buy fabulous vintage clothes.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
And you can also check out Jenny and Jason and
co hosting Dinner in a Movie on TBS, premiering tomorrow
June first,
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