September 12, 2022 • 63 mins
Blair welcomes her dear friend Jason Concepcion (The Ringer) to the show. He comes on to profess his love to a certain shreddin' lead guitarist.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another week. Wait your boy, Blair,
I'm happy to talk with you guys. God, the heat
wave in l A has been absolute insanity. It has
really tested my soul, my patient. My apartment was uninhabitable,
the power gonna l a collapse. I was out without power.
(00:24):
I felt crazy. I had to cancel a second day.
I told the man, I'm very sorry, but I do
not feel I am in the state of mind to
go on a second day because I cannot shower or
get ready. Um, because my power was out that day.
That sucked. I went into shows anyways. I feel crazy.
But then I did make it to the beach and
(00:47):
I spent a lot of time in the ocean, which
was cleansing. But this heat wave is really going on
and on. It's been many days now not letting up. Um. Well,
I hope you guys are somewhere safe and sound and cool.
I have such a great guest on today, Jason Conceptio
and a dear friend and internet celebrity. UH known for
(01:09):
his work at The Ringer and now he's at Quicking
Media doing the Takeline show. Um he's just a star,
a great mind, wonderful person. Um. He also has a podcast,
Binge Mode with Mallory Ruben, and a weekly YouTube series
called All Caps NBA and just like a pop culture
(01:31):
juggernaut as well. Um, it was so exciting for me
to have him on. He's such a good person, very kind,
happy about comedy, having us meet an intersect. Um. Anyways,
he this is a really heartfelt episode and I really
enjoyed every minute of our talk. I could talk to
Jason forever. Reminder, please email in your fan on the
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(03:21):
not even believe. You wouldn't even believe the guests that
I have for you today. Guys. You know, Daddy likes
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and boy did she deliver today. The whole step Cooking
Media's weekly podcast Takeline, and the YouTube series All Caps,
(03:46):
NBA noted star media personality, Sports and pop culture Officionado,
my friend Jason Conceptuo and everybody, who Wow, what arousing?
(04:10):
What arousing intro? Uh This off of the last ten
or fifteen minutes of the brow chat we're in this
morning has really been the exact thing I needed to
start a Friday at the end of the week. I
needed it. I actually agreed deeply like I also needed this.
(04:34):
And I have to say I did plan on bringing
it up. But you took a big risk inviting me
into a group chat of very notable cool people that
I was so honored to have been invited, because it
is a huge risk to bring someone in. Well, are
(04:58):
you not a notable cool per person yourself? Also, you know,
I'm a fan. I've seen you. I've seen your stand
up so many times in your show many times. Uh,
you know, we have a lot of mutual friends. It. Um,
it didn't seem like any kind of risk at all
to me. Blair, Oh wow, that's so kind. That's so
(05:19):
kind of you. Yeah, I was wondering what I was, like,
I get how did we become to know each other?
I guess it was through Faded. Faded is a comedy
show listeners on Friday nights in l A on Melrose.
If you're interested, Yes, I think it was it was
through that through the um like the Ian Carmel Mike
(05:39):
Malloya verse. You know, I moved to l A like
five maybe six years ago now, like this summer, and um,
you know, yeah, and I didn't know anybody, and so
like that was basically like how I built my friend
group was through that show. And I think that's how
that's definitely on percent where I first saw you performed
(06:02):
stand up and but like, how did you know Ian
already before or how did that happen? Yeah? I knew
Ian before just from the Internet and stuff. The first
time I had come out to l A just like visit.
I was working at this place called The Ringer at
that time and we were having like meetings and stuff.
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So I came out and you know, Ian was just
like really cool enough to be like, hey, why don't
you come down to the He's Ian as a writer
on James Gordon head writer. Yeah, Ian Carmel, everybody Ian Carmel,
everybody the Grating and Carmel, And He's like, why don't
you come down and and hang out? Uh? And that
was like a really nice, cool thing to do to
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someone who's he didn't really know. But that's how we met, um,
and that's basically those are all my friends now. Cool?
And where did you move from New York City? O?
New York City? Same with me? Okay, yeah, same as
same as you. We both made the big move. What
was how did you find in the big move? But
you're from here, I am, but yes, yes, I guess
(07:06):
that makes sense. But Orange County is like a different
galaxy than l A. Like I'm just not and like
I like l A, my nervous system, as my listeners know,
has a trusted I'm sort of a sleepy bitch. I'm
much more a California girl. Um, I only have so
(07:26):
much energy to spend. But yeah, I need trees like
I need trees deeply. I need to be in nature.
I need more, honestly than l A even provide me. Yeah,
I was, I was. I thought I was the opposite.
Like growing up in New York and born and raised
really in Long Island and then lived in Brooklyn for
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the last a bunch of years before I moved out,
and I was like, New York's the best is the
greatest thing in the world. You can take the train
everywhere and visit like every called sure and nation on earth. Uh.
And then I came out here and I was like,
oh wait, hold on a saying like I can have
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for basically the same exorbitant amount of rent, Like I
can also have a yard, and I can have like hummingbirds,
like come to the yard. Yeah, oh, I love a hummingbird.
I love a hummingbird. And that's one of my um
angel signs. Like where I have a few, I shouldn't
share them all publicly, honestly, I need to keep some
(08:30):
things for me, But hummingbird is one of my things
where I'm like, oh, God is giving me a little kiss. Hello.
I love them. I love to watch them. They're fascinating.
And just the fact that again, like you can put
up a little hummingbird fear and watch them come to
your like little shitty yard in Hollywood where I first
lived in when I moved here, it was it was amazing.
(08:52):
That was legitimately amazing. Yeah. Um, and where do you
live now? A part? What area of the city? I'm
on the I'm on the east side Echo Echo Park,
not technically the east side, I guess is like l
a geography heads will say, but um, yeah, I live
in Echo Park, which neighborhood. Okay, so now I'm I'm
(09:13):
caught up. And I will also tell the listeners that
this illustrious group chat that we didn't mention is founded
on the main theme it's anchor is selling sunset the
Netflix hit Real Estate Show. So there's a lot of
(09:35):
updates in there. And as many of you, longtime ware
bears no from my former and deeply long held attraction
to the Oppenheim brothers, which I only did recently grow
out of maybe six eight months ago. It just I
woke up one day and thankfully it was gone. What
(09:58):
was what was? What was it? What was the thing?
What was the spice in the soup that made the
Oppenheim twins so magnetic to you at that time? For me,
I just love alpha men Like I look, Jason, I
(10:20):
don't want this. I don't want it, of course. I
The truth is, like I am attracted to just very
alpha men that feel like they take care of ship,
that they will take care of me, that you know,
I can be some sort of soft, delicate flower with
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you know, I'm not even a looks person Like it's
just like an ethos energy and then they have it,
you know. I agree, although I would say that Jason
has it a little bit more of the twins, but yes,
they do, they do definitely have it. Well. I would
agree with you also because Jason's masculinity or whatever masculinity
(11:08):
we're we're supposed to be using. I guess not. That's
too binary of a turn, right, I'll say, like alpha,
his alpha caretake goodness is more measured. Whereas we finally
saw layers of Brett revealed in this last season where
he loses his ship, he does is a ship like
the younger brother. There's a toxicity to Brett and a
(11:31):
clear like an emptiness that aches to be filled that
I don't know that Brett has fully acknowledged in his life.
He and I hope he finds that occurage to acknowledge it.
But Jason absolutely does not evince that sort of energy.
Jason is standing firmly in the size eight and a
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half shoes of Jason Oppenheim, and he knows who he
is and he's there firmly rooted to that spot. Yes,
because you know, the non toxic masculinity that I'm interested
in is full of grace, which he has. He shows
grace in most situations where he's like all his excess,
(12:16):
He's like, I love and honor them, I love and
honor them, I love I just want all I want,
all I wish for is her pure and unadulterated happiness.
Um So our group chat today. No details, but this
is gonna make it sound mysterious and crazier than it
(12:36):
is mysterious and crazy. But it was just one of
our One of the people in there is a former
PR professional, and it was just we were just getting
some great tea on early aughts, early to mid ADTs
celeb relationships and it was great which we now which
we all now look back on as truly the most toxic.
(13:00):
The early opts are the undisputed most toxic time for
like women and and Hollywood celebrity culture. Um, and this
woman in our group chat gave some incredible stories that
would blow your mind, and unfortunately we cannot do on
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this podcast. But if but if you know we Jason
or I ever run into in like a bar or
something and you say, what was in that group chat?
I think one of us could tell you one on one.
I agree that could that could happen. Okay, God, we
could go. We could do this whole podcast about this,
because there's so much to cover and discuss, especially if
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you are a sailing Sunset head. But um, we do
have to get into a very important letter by Jason
and obviously my ensuing shrewd interview So with that being said, Jason,
please do us the honor of reading your letter. Okay,
(14:01):
dear Trey Anastasio of the band Fish and I I'm sorry,
but I had to explain to the people just the
band because I'm not sure that that your name has
the kind of a name recognition. But sorry, back to
the letter, Trey. I'm sure you get this a lot, man,
but you you rock, or at least you definitely did
(14:22):
back when I was seeing you, like twenty years ago.
I have since been on your YouTube page. I've been
watching a couple of clips. I don't recognize any of
the songs, but you you guys still sound great. See
what I was doing before I do what I do now, Trey,
which is like kind of right and host podcasts? Is
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I just really wanted to be a musician, Like from
the time I was ten, I was a little boy.
For the ensuing ten or twelve years, all I wanted
in my life it was to be a great ripping
guitar player, Like I wanted that to be my job.
And there were a couple of problems, Trey. Um so
(15:08):
this was the nineties and being good at an instrument
like wasn't cool. Anymore. You know, what was cool was
like playing like you had just learned how to play,
or being in like a new metal rat band where
you had nine strings on your guitar and you wore
like a scary clown mask. And neither of those things
I think we're going to really apply to me. And
(15:31):
uh second, I realized somewhere in this journey of of
really wanting to be a guitar player really really badly,
that I had never seen another Asian musician ever, like
a successful one. Well, I take it back, because there
was James Eha from The Smashing Pumpkins, and then there's
(15:53):
this one guy in a jam band called the String
Cheese Incident, and then later years later there'd be as
my mom would always tell me, there's Apple the app
from the Black Eyed Peas. But again that was later,
so I didn't have anything. I didn't have any kind
of roadmap here. But then I started seeing your band, Trey,
I started seeing Fish, and I was like, wow, there
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is a space in this world to be super weird,
to take twenty minute long like guitar solos that are
really expressive and good and musically good, and to write
like really silly you know, kind of bad lyrics. I'm
not good at writing lyrics, Like I can't write them either,
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And there's like an audience for this, and that audience
is also like super super high. They're really stoned, so
they're very very chilled out, which was important to be
because I was anxious a lot at that time. Now
I'm not a musician anymore, Trey. I know again, when
I was trying to be a musician, I would just
I would have done anything to have made it. I
(16:56):
said many times, like as I was laying to go
to at at night listening to your music, that i'll
get this good or I'll die trying now. Later on
that became much less of a romantic thing, and I
was like, you know what, I don't want to die,
and in fact, like some health insurance would be really good,
so I had to quit doing that. But I just
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want you to know that I never forgot that time
in my life or your place in it. So thanks man.
I hope you're doing well. I love Jason. Oh that
was so sweet. God, Wow, that that was so sincere.
My heart really opened. Thank you so much, Blair. You know,
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one of the things that I've learned from quitting being
a musician after really really wanting to do it for
a lot of years. Is that it's is that it's
okay when you love something when it starts to go away.
That's kind of part of it sometimes and it and
it hurts and it's disappointing, uh, and it and it
can definitely leave you feeling like, oh my god, like
(18:00):
what what's next? But it's also part of life and
it's great to just experience that. Also. Wow, I feel
like you were just talking to me about my most
recent breakup. It felt great. Um, it's true though, like
you sound Zennis, fuck no. But the more that you
can I do agree completely, Like the more that you
(18:21):
can practice non attachment. I guess non attachment is too
severe of a word. Just sort of letting things come
in and letting things go when they go. It's like,
I think the easier life is like you just just
allowing yourself to experience grief so you can just let
it pass you by. That's it. It's not it's not
(18:44):
like being it's not like having attachments to things but
then acting like you don't care. Yes, actually, which is
actually like a toxic trait. It's more like trying not
to panic or let yourself become toxic when you feel
that things are changing, because that's just part of what
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happens sometimes, and to allow yourself to feel badly that
things are changing, like, yeah, I feel bad. Sometimes people
feel bad, and that's what it is. Yeah. I think
that's also the thing because like when I was younger,
I remember like any time I would feel really upset
or hurt, there's something it's sort of a probably a
childlike quality where you don't understand that it's not a
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permanent feeling. And when you can't understand that it's just um,
not permanent, then you're not panicky about it. And I
think that's really I think it's important. But it's also
like something that takes perspective. Like we were in our
group chat this morning, someone was relaying the advice um
(19:50):
of an l a parent that to their child never
to date an actor, which I then said, that's like,
only that's only a thing, that's only advice that you
follow because you never got the opportunity to dated actor.
But but um, you know, sometimes you just have to
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experience things and then when the experience ends, it sounds
like trite to be like yeah, but you you know,
at least you have the memory of your experience. But
that is true, like that helped season you and make
you the person that you are now you have that
life experience. Yeah, I believe that. You said you got
to touch the stove sometimes to learn and I and
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I said and I, which I almost was trying going
to reply, oh, brother, I've touches stove many times and
I'm still learning. My problem is, I'm so like, I
don't understand how at this point in my life, I'm
like older, I've lived a lot, I've had a lot
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of experiences. I was a younger sister of older brothers.
I'm still so fright and it frightens my friends to gullible.
But it's like I they all tell me I'm so gullible,
and I think it's just that I am like a
really literal, sincere person. So I always take people at
(21:16):
their word and I have It's not like I like
bad guys or something, but like you know, if I
really I really feel strongly like I and I'm just
like a sensitive, open hearted person and so I always like, well,
if someone's like telling me all this stuff, I believe them.
It's like hard well, I think that that's actually, first
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of all, the concern of your friends is beautiful. That's
really isn't it nice that they're like supportive and like
protective of you, But also like that's that that you know,
all the other stuff aside. It's like, isn't that a
nice trait to be like, Yeah, I'm like open to
falling in love with a person that's like actually great.
Yeah it's not a comedian. Oh my god, no comedians. Girls,
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If you're listening, I want you to hear me really deeply.
Comedians are for your twenties and after that, and after
that you must you must untie the rope from the boat.
I having a lot of friends that are comedians, and luckily,
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you know, all most of them are in committed relationships.
I can only agree with you in the sense that, like,
you know, uh, I guess not to make this like
a mental health processing your trauma podcast, but I think
like one of the most important things about trying to
live a creative life is just trying to like take
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care of yourself when you experience disappointment. Because it's like,
you know, so many of my friends there are hilarious,
like the Annist and maybe they're not the most well known,
but that's not like a reflection on how funny they are.
And it can be like really, you know, it can
be really crazy when you watch people like who You're like,
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this person sucks, they don't deserve to succeed, but they
are succeeding. Like what how how is this making me
feel like inside? Like that can be like really tough
to deal with and um, and you just have to
protect yourself from that and it is and it's a
roller coaster if you want to get involved with the
person who has to also deal with that all the time.
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Oh my god, you said it. Whoa, WHOA. What I'm
looking for is like I feel like, thus far in
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my adult relationships, while at times I have also been
the one in need of intense healing, that I have
always been like the rock and the grounded person within
the relationship. And I would like to experience the other
person being the rock or else us just being at
(24:16):
an equal rocks for each other. Yeah, like a partnership
at a certain point in your life, like the person
who is like an equal stakeholder and whatever is happening
is kind of like that's seems that can be appealing
at a certain point, like you have your ship together,
just like I have my ship together, and together we
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can have our ship together. Sounds pretty good, yes, And
also being driven by the same things like I just
don't feel like And obviously I wasn't thinking this from
this perspective at all, because, as you said, I did
not have that perspective then. But I don't feel like
so many comedians just because of the nature of it
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and how hard it is to succeed and get stability,
and and then you know whether that's outward stability amongst
in their stability with all the pressure and the wear
and tear and all this stuff. I don't think like
most comedians are driven by being like a father and
settling down and all this stuff, which is also what
I want in this life. There's also a thing like
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if I would have been a successful let's say I
would have let's say I didn't quit music, and that
I somehow had been successful in my late teens and
twenties as a musician, I think it would have been
without like good friends, and like, I think it would
have been a devastating scenario for my for my quality
(25:43):
of life. And I also think there's something to the
fact that, like performers crave attention, and it's a weird
double edged sword that sometimes the most devastating part of
that is when you get it, because when you get it,
it just is like a drug and it can really
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just warp you when you get it. You're seeking it,
but then you get it, and it's kind of the worst.
Do you find this at all? As you progress, Like
I oddly become more introverted every day, and I already
started out as introverted, Like I'm outgoing when i'm you know,
(26:25):
in conversation with someone, but besides that, I'm like a
hermit type of person. Oh yeah, big time. I I
have to force myself to like go and do things
like over the My partner is really good at that
to be like you you always say that you need
to go out there and go hang out with people
and go see a show, and I'm like, you're right,
I need you need to do that. But like otherwise
(26:46):
it's a healthy partnership. I like that tea yeah, But otherwise,
like I could easily just like be in sweatpants and
like not leave the house for days and days and
days of time, and I'd be very very comfortable to that. Yes,
how did you meet your partner? Uh? I was doing
this like um live magazine called pop Up magazine, which
(27:11):
is like a multimedia live show in which journalists, storytellers,
et cetera do uh do a story. Uh. And my
story was about how for ten years I let a
friend of mine think I was a Yankee, a New
York Yankees fan, because there was some kind of weird
(27:34):
miss miscommunication where he thought I was a Yankees fan.
I wasn't. And by the time I realized that this
has happened, it was like too hard and too weird
to be like, actually, I don't know how this started,
but I'm not and I just let it go on
for ten years. And so I was. I was doing
that and that's how we met. We met after that show. Wow,
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And how long ago was that? This is three or
three year now three and a half years? Okay. I
love asking people that because, like I it makes me.
It's so affirming. I even ask my accountant that I
just met. He he brought up his wife and like
he sounded like it was striking to me in the
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way that in just like one sentence, the way he
spoke about his wife that I could feel he had
so much love for her that I wanted to know
like how they met. And then he told me for
like twenty five minutes, and I was literally enraptured, like
with the whole story. And then I was like, sorry
if that was a personal question, but I find these
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things to be affirming. And he's like, no, that's okay,
this is a very personal relationship. And I was like,
this is the accountant for me. Absolutely, the accountant is
a super I mean super intimate relationship. They know like
what they know all the weird ship that you're spending
money off. That's crazy, you're spending money on. Um. First
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of all, congratulations on having an accountant. That's oh, thank you.
You know, I need them. I don't want to be
accidentally arrested. Um. You know. Yeah, It's there's like I
don't know how to do the money things. So I'm
glad that I have someone whose job it is to
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just like do that stuff. Absolutely, the money thing, the
money things. So to bring it back to to to
the Jason Oppenheim question. Jason Oppenheim, we were we were
marking in the group chat about Jason Oppenheim's latest partner
who's a young woman whose whose name I'm not sure of,
(29:45):
but who is a good Marie Marie Marie lou And
she appears to be a good like Jason Oppenheim. I
put him at a good a fun game I play
with my partners. Am I taller than the Oppenheim twins?
I think no? But so I put him about five
four ish and I put her at about five seven eight.
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And in the picture that we saw of them, she's
she's wearing the heels, and I opined that I don't
think I don't think there's a future for them because
she's wearing the heels. Am I be Do you think
that that's right? Or is it? Or is it? Am
I looking at it the wrong way? And that Jason
is so confident in his Jason nous that he's like, yeah,
(30:33):
tower over me, like I don't care. This is a
social construct, you know, um, and and with my with
my short king crown actually were the same height. Am
I looking at this the wrong way? No? But I
did think that was funny because remember I don't know
if you remember in the chat, but like I went,
(30:53):
I think it was a year ago. Nicki Glazier was
host seeing the unscripted MTV musical Lords, and I went
and I saw both of them. I famously Crill asked
me for a tampon in the bathroom. I gave it
to her, pretended as if I had no idea who
she was, but gave it a very warm smile, and um,
this was right. I think this. The timing was right after,
(31:16):
like a week after it had been announced that they
were dating or something, and I was like, and also
Christine and her husband sat on the other side of
the room and didn't speak with them at all. Yeah,
so I was like, oh, that ship is real, I guess.
But I would say five Forest probably correct. And all
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those girls, I think it might just be a Hollywood
model thing, like they're not seen without heels, you know.
But I did think that was a hilarious observation because
while my most long term boyfriend was my height, and
I didn't wear heels around him out of first, out
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of respect for his for his like masculinity, or just
like I guess naturally, I didn't want to seem like
a giant next to him. I'm not like some I guess.
I'm not like some slight, breakable woman, you know. Yeah,
it's so like the other thing about Jason. I'm realizing
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now through this that I've like modeled a lot of
my attempt at confidence after Jason. Jason is like a ripped.
Both the twins are pretty are pretty like rich guy ripped.
It's clear that they're taking some kind of like testosterone
replacement something and that they also spend like six figures
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on like some kind of health regimen. But the danger
with Jason and then this is an opinion I also
put in the chat is at that it can throw
your proportions off at that height, because the danger is
you look like a mailbox, which I guess you could
say Jason doesn't quite look like a mailbox. But it's
always a concern for me that, you know, God, if
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if you go, if you're not careful you to the gym,
you get too ripped, you just look like like a
like a brick walking towards somebody. I'll tell you what.
That's also my concern. That's why I'm not at the gym. Yeah, absolutely,
that's my reason for knockling to the gym. Okay, I
don't want to get too ripped like Jason Upenheim, my
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former love um no, but I get what you're saying.
They are in impeccable shape. They're like very well groomed.
I have to say there's another element. There's another big
element here. There is something to me that is very
alpha attractive about a intentional bald man, Like they do
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have to have an element of handsomeness to pull off bald.
But like a man who shaves off his whole hair,
I'm like, yeah, that's confident as well, Like there's a
like an attractive there's a lot of attractive bald men
like that are like that that shave it all off.
You know, I agree, especially in in today's day and age,
where it's like, you know, Jason Oppenheim absolutely has the
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resources to get the most top shelf hair replacement person,
which happens like all the time now, which is crazy.
I was just at a comedy show last week where
we were just having like open conversations, or I was
not part of them, but I was listening to like
open conversations of just being like, yeah, man, I'm like,
(34:31):
the propecious of the propecia is the goalie, and the
Monoxidila is the grow it back, And I'm on that
stuff and people just like are very Maybe it's like
the l a nous of it, but people are just
like very open about like I'm staving off the baldness
with with all that I have at my at my disposal.
Oh my god, that's so funny. Every guy I've dated
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in the last ten years has been on Propecia, Like
everyone talked openly about it. I'm like, yeah, of course,
of course, it's like the male birth control. No, but
of course they would ever at birth control for men. Um.
Oh my god, we could talk this forever. I guess
we got to get back to our interview and Trey
on the stock still, Okay, let's talk about him. So
according to Lucian Wiggles, of course, my private detective, are
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you aware of him? Yes? Okay, good, okay, good um.
According to Lucian Wiggles, the band fishes spell with pH
Why is that, Jason? It seems misleading though it is
a slightly misleading, But again, it was kind of like
the thing that appealed to me a little bit about them,
which was just like a kind of like childlike weirdness.
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It was just like silly for no reason. Um, and
something about that was fun to me at the time
and it still is. And um, do you have siblings, Jason?
I do. I have a brother and older younger. He's younger.
He's a nurse. Okay, And so how did you get
into me? Zick? Was that like what made you get
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into music and what made you want to be a musician? Well?
I was the first. I was always like attracted to
the shape of a guitar, just like the look of it.
I remember one of my like when I was in
fourth grade, maybe one of my friends, got one of
those like like a toy guitar that just like has
like the buttons like on the neck and no strings,
and I was like, Wow, that looks so freaking cool.
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And then, um, I don't know, it just called to
me for whatever reason. And then I got one. It
took like three years of begging, but then I eventually
got one. And I remember, um, the first time I
ever played for people, like some of the kids in
the neighborhood who played instruments were like jamming in the
driveway of like this. What I thought was a cool kid,
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you know how Like I don't know if this happened
in in Orange County, but at least like on Long Island,
there were cool kids, and later on in life you
realized they weren't cool. They were like criminals. Like they
were like like actually criminals, like who should have been
fucking locked up? If I feel about every person I
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met in an open mic from toen, so we I
played like we would just laying jamming, like in the
driveway of like this person who I thought was like
a really really cool guy who later I would learn
it was like a criminal and and he was like,
hey man, you're good. Keep doing that. And it was
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like the most amazing jolt of and it was like
energy to like here that I was good at something,
and I just was chasing that ever since after that.
You know, it felt like a way also, you know,
like I grew up in a very very you know,
Long Island was like super it was just like different
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forms of white people. Um, and so it felt like
it really felt like a way which I would never
have said this at the time, but it felt like
a way to like kind of I could express like
feelings in a way that was cool to other people. Yeah,
well that's what art is like, um, getting those feelings
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out of yourself in like um, well, I guess semi
public way or even if it's not public, it's outside
of yourself, even if no one sees it. Um, that's
really cool, Okay, And yeah, I had like never listened
to the band Fish like all my life. All I
had ever heard is like some vague joke about it
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being like a never ending songs that's basically true u um,
But you know, there was there was something about going
on the journey of that song. Now, I will say
there's a there's also a joke about Fish and and
jam band music in general that it's like something like
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if you're not high, the music not good. And I
will say there's an element of trick to that, Dear
Owen Wilson Exclusive Wilson Exclusive, there's an element there's an
element of truth to that. But there was also like, um,
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you know, that was like a point in my life
when I was trying to I was trying to, um,
get really good you know, and why why like why
get good at this thing? And something about those jams
taught me like there's oh, there's like an intentionality and
a thoughtfulness and an actual like journey that you can
take people on through expression if you uh interact with
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like your art in that kind of sincere way now again,
I don't do what music anymore, but I've taken that.
I've like, it's kind of a lesson that I've taken
with me is like to try and just work really hard,
no matter how silly the you're doing, is to try
and give people an experience. Oh I like that, Jason,
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And you know I because I had never heard I
popped on a few songs before this podcast, and um,
I was like two piggyback off what you're saying. I said,
there is something about this music where it's not in
this it's outside of our like immediacy obsessed, no attention
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span culture or if you're gonna listen to this, if
you're or a type of music and this band fish,
you really have to lock in and be present and
sign on to like get involved. It's not like, um,
you can't really appreciate it, like, you know, just like
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you would pop music or something totally. I think, and
that's you know, I think that's part of the thing
that I still find like really cool about it, is
like there's still space for that, even though it's not
particularly my brand of thing anymore, there's still like an
audience for that of people who are like, you know,
I've looked at everything that's out there, and I want
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something really really weird and different. And that's cool that
that that people can still find that and have that
experience that makes me happy. Yeah. Yeah. The level of
engagement needed within yourself to interact with this band fish
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it's sort of like the music equivalent of reading a novel.
It really is. And it also was you know a
lot of it too was like a point in my life.
Like you were, you're an actual like elite athlete, so
so so you know, what I'm gonna say is like
maybe gonna come off as semi ridiculous. But when I
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was like going to their shows, I was like the
Steph Curry of myself at that time. Like I remember
one of their shows. I waited, you know, it was
like an outdoor summer show, um you state New York,
and I waited. I got up before all of my friends.
First of all, like I traveled in this for these
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set of shows with a bunch of people I had
never met before, with like a pair like a pair
of one change of clothes, like inside of a drum.
It's kid of like a gem beydrum and then I
slept the easiest bag, like this is the most convenient
practical bag I could think of my drum. Yeah, and
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then I slept like in a folding chair for this
whole time like outside I didn't have attend And then
and then uh waited like three hours before the gates
open for the gates open then so I could get
right in front of the stage. And then it's like
another four hours before the band comes on. And I
don't remember like eating, drinking, going to the bathroom like
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I was like the Greek freak of like that was
my physical peak. Uh. And and part of what was
fun about the band was just like being that young
and having like no attachments to to anything and just
getting to be like, yeah, this is I I can
I'm enjoying being this young right now. Yeah, or yeah,
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just having I know, those experiences are so important because
unless you're some person who's like wildly adept at keeping
them in your life as an adult, they are there
are fewer and far between as you get older. Um, okay,
And is this type of music solely for drug tours?
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I do feel like Nancy Reagan asking that, but like
what is the vibe? It's the drug music. Um, you know,
it's part of the culture. But I think that at
the center of it, it's it really is about the music.
The music is really like it's you have to have
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a certain level of like skill to do what they do.
And the people that that follow that band or in
that world like really really appreciate the music. Oftentimes, you know,
like the substance around it can be like or like
the vehicle for them to like get deeper in it.
But it's but I think at the core of it,
it's really about the music. Now again, people are high
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there that is the thing that really marijuana or what
we talking about Jason talking about. You know, there's like
shrooms involved. You know, again I haven't been there in
a number of years. Shrooms are of the earth. I
would imagine that L s D is consume there and
a lot of we in different forms like in brownie
(45:02):
form and edible form and yeah and um, and so
you will find that there. And I will say, unfortunately,
like I think I knew I was done with it
when there were certain friends that were like, oh, we
just like to party, and then it's kind of like
the party never really stops and you're just like, Okay,
(45:24):
this is getting to a place where I don't want
to be part of it anymore. And that was part
of like why I pulled away from it. But um,
especially you say you pulled away okay, okay, Um yeah.
I do remember those people because like if you have
any modicum of ambition, at some point you look around
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those people and you're like they become a little bit
sad to you, whereas first you thought they were so
exciting and cool. I remember that, and I always like think,
while you know, I did have some tragedy strike, but
at the same time, when I was young and impressionable,
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I was always like, thank god I had like something
I really cared about to keep me at least a
little bit within the lines, you know, sports, because like
I was, I've always been like interested. I'm like I
like to experiment. I like to like meet like artistic people.
You know, when did you first not to flip the script,
(46:32):
but when did you start being serious about comedy as
like a thing? It was like minute one, Like I
was obsessed. And I'm also just like an intense person,
so like when I like something, I will, you know.
And I was like an athlete my whole life, and
I had this idea of like, oh, if you want
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to be good at something, this is what it takes,
you know. But I was in grad school and I
had never been to a show in my life, and
my boyfriend at the time took me to a show.
I was twenty five. That was my first comedy show
I've ever been to. And I never followed comedy. I
knew nothing about it. I wasn't like I didn't see
it growing up for anything, and so when I first
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discovered it, I was like, oh my god, like I
can't even believe this world exists. I became obsessed and
like that first year after I learned, because since I
was a writer at the time, I started and I
was in grad school to become a novelist, and I
started writing for Splitsider, interviewing these comedians and then I
broke up with that boyfriend. And then in the shower
(47:34):
one day, I had the thought like, oh, I should
do comedy, and like literally I had never had that
thought before, and I was really sad, and I was like,
I won't feel pain if I'm bad, and um, then
like I just started two days later. Yeah, Wow, that's
really amazing. I was like I could never do it.
There's no you could totally do it. I would bomb
(47:57):
once and I would be like, that's it. I'm walking
into the jungle to go join like the uncontacted native
tribes in the Amazon, so I will never ever have
to reflect on this again. Yeah, I think there is
this thing of um Like I used to balk at
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that thing where people would be like, oh, comedians are
so fucked up. They have so much tragedy and trauma
and all this stuff like that used to annoy me
because I would be like, no, everyone has that. They're
just more honest about it and talking about it and
opening themselves, which is true. But then also now that
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I've been in it for a while, speaking to what
you just said, I'm like, oh, there's in each comedian
the tolerance to experience pain is so much higher than
the threshold. Like most people would be like, that's like dehumanizing,
that's degrading, Like I don't want to experience that. It's
(48:59):
just constant indignities and and like comedians are so sick.
They're like oh no, ill two people, and oh I
have to pay you to perform and you hit me
with a truck after yeah, sign me up. I could
never do a player. Wait so when did you why
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and when did you quit doing music? Like was there
a moment um you start? Uh, it wasn't a moment.
It was like a series of moments over over several
years where you know, I had made like dead serious sincerely,
(49:43):
I had made that. I had made that like dark
promise a million times, like I'm gonna get I'm gonna
be great, I'm gonna be like the greatest or I'm
not gonna live like I'm gonna and then which is
like a really romantic thing you do as a young person.
And then like after a while you're like, you know,
I'm getting my brother is sending me his like old
(50:06):
Asthman Hailer's Like I'm seeing car commercials with people my
age in them. I have like no money at all. Um,
I know I know this story, uh, and like maybe
this isn't going to happen. And it took a long
time to like get to that place actually, and it
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was um and it was really part of what made
it hard was like all my friends, you know, that
was like the identity that I had for all my friends.
So I knew that no one would really understand it.
And I also knew that because like this was something
like I wanted so badly for my entire life that
I just had to stop immediately. Like there was no like,
(50:49):
oh and I'll just continue to like write songs like
on the weekend. No, I had to like cut it off,
like cauterize it. So I just, after like a bunch
of years, just to be like what am I doing?
What am I doing? What am I doing? Like I'm
I'm more a waiter than like a musician, aren't aren't I?
And then eventually I just had to be like enough,
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and I sold all night instruments and I just like
literally stopped thinking about it. I had to get rid
of all the stuff that reminded me of it, and
I just cut it off. I just like it was
like an hard left turn started new life. But it
was it was not. It was hard. It was hard
to get to the place where I was like, you
(51:32):
know what, uh uh, everybody who told me that I
shouldn't do this was right and I need to accept
this and move on. And that's and it was hard
to get to that place. Yeah, but you also listen
to yourself and that you needed more like you needed,
Like some people never quit because they and like the nons,
(51:56):
like the people who don't make it their life because
they're like, Okay, this is enough for me, you know.
And as I said, I took a lot of like
the lessons I've learned, like about intentionality and stuff, and
I've applied that to like what I do now. There
was also the thing, like you were saying, where you
kind of noticed how like sad people are. Like I
had done a couple of tours where it was like
(52:18):
one of our the bass player I was touring with,
like lived in a storage container and it was like
like complaining all the time about this and that and
this person. It's like, man, I don't want to be
like this. I don't want to you know. I don't
want to be toxic about everything I'm doing all the
(52:38):
time and this much. Yeah, I don't want to be
that person. Yeah, No, it's so important. Um gosh, okay.
According to Lucian Wiggles, Trey met his Fish band mates
at the University of Vermont, where they played their first
gig in the school cafeteria. We're an attendee of eventually
(53:00):
blasted Michael Jackson's thriller album to drown them out. Have you, Jason,
ever been publicly humiliated while attempting to start your dream
because I relate to this story deeply. Oh yeah, yeah,
um okay, So I uh, this is when background I
(53:21):
was pursuing music. Are band was playing at a festival
in northern California and then what was your band's name?
I don't want to say. Alright, fine, but I was
in a band and we were like very and you know,
we were locally, we were in the mix. We were
(53:41):
like a local band, but we had gotten a spot
like at this h at a festival. And some guys
I went to music school. I went to Berkeley College Music.
Some guys I was to music school that also had
a band and they were so so so good and
they were, um, like one of the bigger bands on
the on the on the list of bands. And there
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they were like, Hey, we're doing this late night set
at like the late night jam like tent, you know
where they played from like midnight to like four am
or whatever. Come and sit in, bring your stuff. So
I bring my stuff and I'm standing there at the
side of the stage and I'm standing there and I'm
(54:26):
standing there, I'm staying there waiting for him to like
call me out, and it just became like like you
could I could feel like almost like a spotlight was
on me, like growing hotter and hotter, and I could
feel people like, and this is probably not true, but
I could feel people like wondering why this person was
standing on the side of the stage with like a
(54:46):
guitar strap to them when they weren't playing. And it
was like and it went on and on and on,
and then it became clear like this was some sort
of weird miscommunication where I don't think anybody had ever
told anybody that like I was going to be there
to sit in in and so eventually I just had
to like slink backward, you know, like there's people behind
(55:07):
you too, because there's all these people like on the
side of the stage. And again I've got like my
funk I carried my aunt there, and I've got like
my guitar on me, and I just like had to
like slowly, slowly, like slink away, hopefully slowly so like
no one would turn and see that I was there
(55:28):
doing that and walking away. And then I just left. Uh.
And it was still to this day talking about it. Man,
that was like devastating. Wow, that's brutal, and you just
like it means so much too. Yeah, it's still a canny.
It's so hard when especially you know, sometimes you do
have the up and coming skill level and you get
(55:48):
opportunities and they can be like embarrassing or whatever, but
especially pre skill level, where your skill level is not
there and you're still like developing it, and it's just
like like I know, for me, when I first started,
I was because I was a writer before, like I
every word was written like and I was so into
(56:10):
like the linguistics of my jokes and stuff, and I
liked my jokes and it was like I had like
a good thing going pretty instantaneously, but I had no
skill level as a comedian, like if it wasn't going well,
if it was like a rough crowd, or if they
(56:30):
were like what to do if they weren't liking my material?
And I god, I had just I had no idea
what to do if it was like off script. And
I had so many like embarrassing times in like raucous
crowds growing up or starting out. When so by the
time I saw you at Faded, how long had you
(56:53):
been a comedian. By that point, it was probably or
something like that, um twnny eighteen. I had probably been
doing it's almost six years, so my my experience years.
(57:14):
My first experience seeing your set was like, first all,
it was like so funny, and then second of all,
it was like I was like, this person is doing
a very broy persona, but in a way that says
how smart they are at understanding what this persona is.
(57:34):
And that was the first time I saw you and
I was just like, Wow, this is really funny and
interesting in a different way, so you can do it.
But yeah, you had been doing it a while, I
guess by then, but it was like I was like
really blown away by your set. Oh thank you. It's
so funny how people perceive you, because like I would
never see myself as Broi in anyway, but I guess
(57:57):
that like inherent a ringing comes out and I also am.
People will sometimes ask me like is that a character
on stage, and I'm like, no, that's like my ID,
that's like the fore me because you know, like off stage,
I'm a pretty soft person like and that, and like
you know, I'm really polite. I don't always like stand
(58:22):
up for myself and stuff and so like on stage,
I think that like repression just comes out and it
feels great to just sort of be like an unfiltered monster.
I think you were screaming about steak, and yeah, I
love screaming on stage, like I love doing that. Um, okay,
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So Trey had been married to his college girlfriend for
twenty eight years, so I guess his wife not girlfriend.
But would you say Jason is the key to Tray's
uh specific marriage longevity? Oh gosh, well, he got his life,
he got sober, which I think was like a big
(59:05):
deal in two seven after It's Heroin or rest according tolution, Yeah,
so I'd like, um, that was I think a thing
that probably helped a lot of people was him being
so public about his problem and talking about like getting help,
and you know, I think, uh, it's you know, I
(59:26):
don't know anything about their but their marriage, but I
would assume like it's like clear communication and just like
a collaborativeness about the relationship. A relationship essentially is like
a collaboration. Um, and hopefully like for a good collaboration
to happen, everybody feels that they're heard when they need
to say something. So I would assume that it's like that,
(59:47):
and you know, like their music is that it's very
responsive to like signals and two different musical ideas. So
I would hope that and the long haul, like getting
like improvising for twenty five minutes all to get to
like some peak point of the jam twenty four minutes in.
(01:00:10):
And so hopefully that kind of intention is the secret
to trade in his wife's longevity relationship. And what do
you also say, uh, surmise that. I don't know if
that's surmise Is that a word? Um? That that is
the key to a lasting marriage in general. I've well,
(01:00:32):
it seems like it's working for them, and I hope
that it is. I hope to find out one day.
All right, you know, I like to ask these questions
find out I'm trying to understand. Um, okay, cool, Well,
I don't have more questions, but I think we're reaching
the end. Jason. We like to do a little segment
at the end of our podcast called fan on the Street,
(01:01:08):
and we asked our guests if they have any fun
celebrity anecdote that they are able to share a run
in that's fun for our audience. Um, oh yeah, I
have one. I have a fun one. So, um, hold on,
what's so? When I first moved to Ala, moved moved,
I was over in um Alician Park, uh and uh
(01:01:32):
walking my dog and this is like legitimately it's day two,
and this guy turned to me. Hey. He was like, hey,
watch out because there's these little foxtails here and your
dog might snort like as as they sniffing around, could
snort up a fox sail and get wedged up in
the nose and you'd have to take them into the
vet and then it's very painful for the dog and
they'd have to remove it and that would be also
(01:01:54):
very expensive for you. And I was like, thank you.
And I looked at the guy and it was Brett
Gilman of Stranger Things and many other things. It's like, wow,
Brett Kilman just just told me to watch out for
fox tails. That's im in l A. Now I've made it. Yeah,
that's l A as hell. I need a dog. Wow, um, god,
(01:02:17):
I have There's so many of the things that I
could talk about with you. Um, I have to have
you on again. Um, I'd love to come back. Yes,
thank you. I'm so glad. This has been a long
time coming in. What a really nice, treasured experience for me.
So thank you for agreeing to do the show. Um,
and I'm glad. I'm glad that to finally do it.
(01:02:40):
Thank you for thinking of me, and I would come
back anytime. Yeah. We didn't even get into the NBA
or sports. God, we have some next time. Yeah, we
have so many topics to cover. We could have done
a whole podcast on selling sunset. We could have done
a whole podcast on selling sunset. I want to know
what it's like to be an elite athlete, like point
like we's like, it's truly like, what is it like
(01:03:03):
to be an elite athlete? Is a question that I'll
ask next time. Okay, Yeah, we'll have to we'll get
into that. You know. I can tell you about taking
Kevin Love around on his recruiting trip, um, all of that. Yeah,
Russell Westbrook, all these men. Yeah. Um okay, Well, Jason,
(01:03:26):
it was great to see you. God blessed, Thank you
all to the Blair Bears for listening. And I'll see
you next week. Bye. Okay
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another week. Wait your boy, Blair,
I'm happy to talk with you guys. God, the heat
wave in l A has been absolute insanity. It has
really tested my soul, my patient. My apartment was uninhabitable,
the power gonna l a collapse. I was out without power.
(00:24):
I felt crazy. I had to cancel a second day.
I told the man, I'm very sorry, but I do
not feel I am in the state of mind to
go on a second day because I cannot shower or
get ready. Um, because my power was out that day.
That sucked. I went into shows anyways. I feel crazy.
But then I did make it to the beach and
(00:47):
I spent a lot of time in the ocean, which
was cleansing. But this heat wave is really going on
and on. It's been many days now not letting up. Um. Well,
I hope you guys are somewhere safe and sound and cool.
I have such a great guest on today, Jason Conceptio
and a dear friend and internet celebrity. UH known for
(01:09):
his work at The Ringer and now he's at Quicking
Media doing the Takeline show. Um he's just a star,
a great mind, wonderful person. Um. He also has a podcast,
Binge Mode with Mallory Ruben, and a weekly YouTube series
called All Caps NBA and just like a pop culture
(01:31):
juggernaut as well. Um, it was so exciting for me
to have him on. He's such a good person, very kind,
happy about comedy, having us meet an intersect. Um. Anyways,
he this is a really heartfelt episode and I really
enjoyed every minute of our talk. I could talk to
Jason forever. Reminder, please email in your fan on the
(01:52):
Street segment of your Celebrity Encounter stories to dear O
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not even believe. You wouldn't even believe the guests that
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Media's weekly podcast Takeline, and the YouTube series All Caps,
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NBA noted star media personality, Sports and pop culture Officionado,
my friend Jason Conceptuo and everybody, who Wow, what arousing?
(04:10):
What arousing intro? Uh This off of the last ten
or fifteen minutes of the brow chat we're in this
morning has really been the exact thing I needed to
start a Friday at the end of the week. I
needed it. I actually agreed deeply like I also needed this.
(04:34):
And I have to say I did plan on bringing
it up. But you took a big risk inviting me
into a group chat of very notable cool people that
I was so honored to have been invited, because it
is a huge risk to bring someone in. Well, are
(04:58):
you not a notable cool per person yourself? Also, you know,
I'm a fan. I've seen you. I've seen your stand
up so many times in your show many times. Uh,
you know, we have a lot of mutual friends. It. Um,
it didn't seem like any kind of risk at all
to me. Blair, Oh wow, that's so kind. That's so
(05:19):
kind of you. Yeah, I was wondering what I was, like,
I get how did we become to know each other?
I guess it was through Faded. Faded is a comedy
show listeners on Friday nights in l A on Melrose.
If you're interested, Yes, I think it was it was
through that through the um like the Ian Carmel Mike
(05:39):
Malloya verse. You know, I moved to l A like
five maybe six years ago now, like this summer, and um,
you know, yeah, and I didn't know anybody, and so
like that was basically like how I built my friend
group was through that show. And I think that's how
that's definitely on percent where I first saw you performed
(06:02):
stand up and but like, how did you know Ian
already before or how did that happen? Yeah? I knew
Ian before just from the Internet and stuff. The first
time I had come out to l A just like visit.
I was working at this place called The Ringer at
that time and we were having like meetings and stuff.
(06:22):
So I came out and you know, Ian was just
like really cool enough to be like, hey, why don't
you come down to the He's Ian as a writer
on James Gordon head writer. Yeah, Ian Carmel, everybody Ian Carmel,
everybody the Grating and Carmel, And He's like, why don't
you come down and and hang out? Uh? And that
was like a really nice, cool thing to do to
(06:43):
someone who's he didn't really know. But that's how we met, um,
and that's basically those are all my friends now. Cool?
And where did you move from New York City? O?
New York City? Same with me? Okay, yeah, same as
same as you. We both made the big move. What
was how did you find in the big move? But
you're from here, I am, but yes, yes, I guess
(07:06):
that makes sense. But Orange County is like a different
galaxy than l A. Like I'm just not and like
I like l A, my nervous system, as my listeners know,
has a trusted I'm sort of a sleepy bitch. I'm
much more a California girl. Um, I only have so
(07:26):
much energy to spend. But yeah, I need trees like
I need trees deeply. I need to be in nature.
I need more, honestly than l A even provide me. Yeah,
I was, I was. I thought I was the opposite.
Like growing up in New York and born and raised
really in Long Island and then lived in Brooklyn for
(07:47):
the last a bunch of years before I moved out,
and I was like, New York's the best is the
greatest thing in the world. You can take the train
everywhere and visit like every called sure and nation on earth. Uh.
And then I came out here and I was like,
oh wait, hold on a saying like I can have
(08:08):
for basically the same exorbitant amount of rent, Like I
can also have a yard, and I can have like hummingbirds,
like come to the yard. Yeah, oh, I love a hummingbird.
I love a hummingbird. And that's one of my um
angel signs. Like where I have a few, I shouldn't
share them all publicly, honestly, I need to keep some
(08:30):
things for me, But hummingbird is one of my things
where I'm like, oh, God is giving me a little kiss. Hello.
I love them. I love to watch them. They're fascinating.
And just the fact that again, like you can put
up a little hummingbird fear and watch them come to
your like little shitty yard in Hollywood where I first
lived in when I moved here, it was it was amazing.
(08:52):
That was legitimately amazing. Yeah. Um, and where do you
live now? A part? What area of the city? I'm
on the I'm on the east side Echo Echo Park,
not technically the east side, I guess is like l
a geography heads will say, but um, yeah, I live
in Echo Park, which neighborhood. Okay, so now I'm I'm
(09:13):
caught up. And I will also tell the listeners that
this illustrious group chat that we didn't mention is founded
on the main theme it's anchor is selling sunset the
Netflix hit Real Estate Show. So there's a lot of
(09:35):
updates in there. And as many of you, longtime ware
bears no from my former and deeply long held attraction
to the Oppenheim brothers, which I only did recently grow
out of maybe six eight months ago. It just I
woke up one day and thankfully it was gone. What
(09:58):
was what was? What was it? What was the thing?
What was the spice in the soup that made the
Oppenheim twins so magnetic to you at that time? For me,
I just love alpha men Like I look, Jason, I
(10:20):
don't want this. I don't want it, of course. I
The truth is, like I am attracted to just very
alpha men that feel like they take care of ship,
that they will take care of me, that you know,
I can be some sort of soft, delicate flower with
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you know, I'm not even a looks person Like it's
just like an ethos energy and then they have it,
you know. I agree, although I would say that Jason
has it a little bit more of the twins, but yes,
they do, they do definitely have it. Well. I would
agree with you also because Jason's masculinity or whatever masculinity
(11:08):
we're we're supposed to be using. I guess not. That's
too binary of a turn, right, I'll say, like alpha,
his alpha caretake goodness is more measured. Whereas we finally
saw layers of Brett revealed in this last season where
he loses his ship, he does is a ship like
the younger brother. There's a toxicity to Brett and a
(11:31):
clear like an emptiness that aches to be filled that
I don't know that Brett has fully acknowledged in his life.
He and I hope he finds that occurage to acknowledge it.
But Jason absolutely does not evince that sort of energy.
Jason is standing firmly in the size eight and a
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half shoes of Jason Oppenheim, and he knows who he
is and he's there firmly rooted to that spot. Yes,
because you know, the non toxic masculinity that I'm interested
in is full of grace, which he has. He shows
grace in most situations where he's like all his excess,
(12:16):
He's like, I love and honor them, I love and
honor them, I love I just want all I want,
all I wish for is her pure and unadulterated happiness.
Um So our group chat today. No details, but this
is gonna make it sound mysterious and crazier than it
(12:36):
is mysterious and crazy. But it was just one of
our One of the people in there is a former
PR professional, and it was just we were just getting
some great tea on early aughts, early to mid ADTs
celeb relationships and it was great which we now which
we all now look back on as truly the most toxic.
(13:00):
The early opts are the undisputed most toxic time for
like women and and Hollywood celebrity culture. Um, and this
woman in our group chat gave some incredible stories that
would blow your mind, and unfortunately we cannot do on
(13:20):
this podcast. But if but if you know we Jason
or I ever run into in like a bar or
something and you say, what was in that group chat?
I think one of us could tell you one on one.
I agree that could that could happen. Okay, God, we
could go. We could do this whole podcast about this,
because there's so much to cover and discuss, especially if
(13:41):
you are a sailing Sunset head. But um, we do
have to get into a very important letter by Jason
and obviously my ensuing shrewd interview So with that being said, Jason,
please do us the honor of reading your letter. Okay,
(14:01):
dear Trey Anastasio of the band Fish and I I'm sorry,
but I had to explain to the people just the
band because I'm not sure that that your name has
the kind of a name recognition. But sorry, back to
the letter, Trey. I'm sure you get this a lot, man,
but you you rock, or at least you definitely did
(14:22):
back when I was seeing you, like twenty years ago.
I have since been on your YouTube page. I've been
watching a couple of clips. I don't recognize any of
the songs, but you you guys still sound great. See
what I was doing before I do what I do now, Trey,
which is like kind of right and host podcasts? Is
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I just really wanted to be a musician, Like from
the time I was ten, I was a little boy.
For the ensuing ten or twelve years, all I wanted
in my life it was to be a great ripping
guitar player, Like I wanted that to be my job.
And there were a couple of problems, Trey. Um so
(15:08):
this was the nineties and being good at an instrument
like wasn't cool. Anymore. You know, what was cool was
like playing like you had just learned how to play,
or being in like a new metal rat band where
you had nine strings on your guitar and you wore
like a scary clown mask. And neither of those things
I think we're going to really apply to me. And
(15:31):
uh second, I realized somewhere in this journey of of
really wanting to be a guitar player really really badly,
that I had never seen another Asian musician ever, like
a successful one. Well, I take it back, because there
was James Eha from The Smashing Pumpkins, and then there's
(15:53):
this one guy in a jam band called the String
Cheese Incident, and then later years later there'd be as
my mom would always tell me, there's Apple the app
from the Black Eyed Peas. But again that was later,
so I didn't have anything. I didn't have any kind
of roadmap here. But then I started seeing your band, Trey,
I started seeing Fish, and I was like, wow, there
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is a space in this world to be super weird,
to take twenty minute long like guitar solos that are
really expressive and good and musically good, and to write
like really silly you know, kind of bad lyrics. I'm
not good at writing lyrics, Like I can't write them either,
(16:35):
And there's like an audience for this, and that audience
is also like super super high. They're really stoned, so
they're very very chilled out, which was important to be
because I was anxious a lot at that time. Now
I'm not a musician anymore, Trey. I know again, when
I was trying to be a musician, I would just
I would have done anything to have made it. I
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said many times, like as I was laying to go
to at at night listening to your music, that i'll
get this good or I'll die trying now. Later on
that became much less of a romantic thing, and I
was like, you know what, I don't want to die,
and in fact, like some health insurance would be really good,
so I had to quit doing that. But I just
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want you to know that I never forgot that time
in my life or your place in it. So thanks man.
I hope you're doing well. I love Jason. Oh that
was so sweet. God, Wow, that that was so sincere.
My heart really opened. Thank you so much, Blair. You know,
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one of the things that I've learned from quitting being
a musician after really really wanting to do it for
a lot of years. Is that it's is that it's
okay when you love something when it starts to go away.
That's kind of part of it sometimes and it and
it hurts and it's disappointing, uh, and it and it
can definitely leave you feeling like, oh my god, like
(18:00):
what what's next? But it's also part of life and
it's great to just experience that. Also. Wow, I feel
like you were just talking to me about my most
recent breakup. It felt great. Um, it's true though, like
you sound Zennis, fuck no. But the more that you
can I do agree completely, Like the more that you
(18:21):
can practice non attachment. I guess non attachment is too
severe of a word. Just sort of letting things come
in and letting things go when they go. It's like,
I think the easier life is like you just just
allowing yourself to experience grief so you can just let
it pass you by. That's it. It's not it's not
(18:44):
like being it's not like having attachments to things but
then acting like you don't care. Yes, actually, which is
actually like a toxic trait. It's more like trying not
to panic or let yourself become toxic when you feel
that things are changing, because that's just part of what
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happens sometimes, and to allow yourself to feel badly that
things are changing, like, yeah, I feel bad. Sometimes people
feel bad, and that's what it is. Yeah. I think
that's also the thing because like when I was younger,
I remember like any time I would feel really upset
or hurt, there's something it's sort of a probably a
childlike quality where you don't understand that it's not a
(19:28):
permanent feeling. And when you can't understand that it's just um,
not permanent, then you're not panicky about it. And I
think that's really I think it's important. But it's also
like something that takes perspective. Like we were in our
group chat this morning, someone was relaying the advice um
(19:50):
of an l a parent that to their child never
to date an actor, which I then said, that's like,
only that's only a thing, that's only advice that you
follow because you never got the opportunity to dated actor.
But but um, you know, sometimes you just have to
(20:13):
experience things and then when the experience ends, it sounds
like trite to be like yeah, but you you know,
at least you have the memory of your experience. But
that is true, like that helped season you and make
you the person that you are now you have that
life experience. Yeah, I believe that. You said you got
to touch the stove sometimes to learn and I and
(20:33):
I said and I, which I almost was trying going
to reply, oh, brother, I've touches stove many times and
I'm still learning. My problem is, I'm so like, I
don't understand how at this point in my life, I'm
like older, I've lived a lot, I've had a lot
(20:54):
of experiences. I was a younger sister of older brothers.
I'm still so fright and it frightens my friends to gullible.
But it's like I they all tell me I'm so gullible,
and I think it's just that I am like a
really literal, sincere person. So I always take people at
(21:16):
their word and I have It's not like I like
bad guys or something, but like you know, if I
really I really feel strongly like I and I'm just
like a sensitive, open hearted person and so I always like, well,
if someone's like telling me all this stuff, I believe them.
It's like hard well, I think that that's actually, first
(21:41):
of all, the concern of your friends is beautiful. That's
really isn't it nice that they're like supportive and like
protective of you, But also like that's that that you know,
all the other stuff aside. It's like, isn't that a
nice trait to be like, Yeah, I'm like open to
falling in love with a person that's like actually great.
Yeah it's not a comedian. Oh my god, no comedians. Girls,
(22:08):
If you're listening, I want you to hear me really deeply.
Comedians are for your twenties and after that, and after
that you must you must untie the rope from the boat.
I having a lot of friends that are comedians, and luckily,
(22:28):
you know, all most of them are in committed relationships.
I can only agree with you in the sense that, like,
you know, uh, I guess not to make this like
a mental health processing your trauma podcast, but I think
like one of the most important things about trying to
live a creative life is just trying to like take
(22:51):
care of yourself when you experience disappointment. Because it's like,
you know, so many of my friends there are hilarious,
like the Annist and maybe they're not the most well known,
but that's not like a reflection on how funny they are.
And it can be like really, you know, it can
be really crazy when you watch people like who You're like,
(23:14):
this person sucks, they don't deserve to succeed, but they
are succeeding. Like what how how is this making me
feel like inside? Like that can be like really tough
to deal with and um, and you just have to
protect yourself from that and it is and it's a
roller coaster if you want to get involved with the
person who has to also deal with that all the time.
(23:34):
Oh my god, you said it. Whoa, WHOA. What I'm
looking for is like I feel like, thus far in
(23:55):
my adult relationships, while at times I have also been
the one in need of intense healing, that I have
always been like the rock and the grounded person within
the relationship. And I would like to experience the other
person being the rock or else us just being at
(24:16):
an equal rocks for each other. Yeah, like a partnership
at a certain point in your life, like the person
who is like an equal stakeholder and whatever is happening
is kind of like that's seems that can be appealing
at a certain point, like you have your ship together,
just like I have my ship together, and together we
(24:38):
can have our ship together. Sounds pretty good, yes, And
also being driven by the same things like I just
don't feel like And obviously I wasn't thinking this from
this perspective at all, because, as you said, I did
not have that perspective then. But I don't feel like
so many comedians just because of the nature of it
(24:59):
and how hard it is to succeed and get stability,
and and then you know whether that's outward stability amongst
in their stability with all the pressure and the wear
and tear and all this stuff. I don't think like
most comedians are driven by being like a father and
settling down and all this stuff, which is also what
I want in this life. There's also a thing like
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if I would have been a successful let's say I
would have let's say I didn't quit music, and that
I somehow had been successful in my late teens and
twenties as a musician, I think it would have been
without like good friends, and like, I think it would
have been a devastating scenario for my for my quality
(25:43):
of life. And I also think there's something to the
fact that, like performers crave attention, and it's a weird
double edged sword that sometimes the most devastating part of
that is when you get it, because when you get it,
it just is like a drug and it can really
(26:04):
just warp you when you get it. You're seeking it,
but then you get it, and it's kind of the worst.
Do you find this at all? As you progress, Like
I oddly become more introverted every day, and I already
started out as introverted, Like I'm outgoing when i'm you know,
(26:25):
in conversation with someone, but besides that, I'm like a
hermit type of person. Oh yeah, big time. I I
have to force myself to like go and do things
like over the My partner is really good at that
to be like you you always say that you need
to go out there and go hang out with people
and go see a show, and I'm like, you're right,
I need you need to do that. But like otherwise
(26:46):
it's a healthy partnership. I like that tea yeah, But otherwise,
like I could easily just like be in sweatpants and
like not leave the house for days and days and
days of time, and I'd be very very comfortable to that. Yes,
how did you meet your partner? Uh? I was doing
this like um live magazine called pop Up magazine, which
(27:11):
is like a multimedia live show in which journalists, storytellers,
et cetera do uh do a story. Uh. And my
story was about how for ten years I let a
friend of mine think I was a Yankee, a New
York Yankees fan, because there was some kind of weird
(27:34):
miss miscommunication where he thought I was a Yankees fan.
I wasn't. And by the time I realized that this
has happened, it was like too hard and too weird
to be like, actually, I don't know how this started,
but I'm not and I just let it go on
for ten years. And so I was. I was doing
that and that's how we met. We met after that show. Wow,
(27:55):
And how long ago was that? This is three or
three year now three and a half years? Okay. I
love asking people that because, like I it makes me.
It's so affirming. I even ask my accountant that I
just met. He he brought up his wife and like
he sounded like it was striking to me in the
(28:18):
way that in just like one sentence, the way he
spoke about his wife that I could feel he had
so much love for her that I wanted to know
like how they met. And then he told me for
like twenty five minutes, and I was literally enraptured, like
with the whole story. And then I was like, sorry
if that was a personal question, but I find these
(28:39):
things to be affirming. And he's like, no, that's okay,
this is a very personal relationship. And I was like,
this is the accountant for me. Absolutely, the accountant is
a super I mean super intimate relationship. They know like
what they know all the weird ship that you're spending
money off. That's crazy, you're spending money on. Um. First
(29:03):
of all, congratulations on having an accountant. That's oh, thank you.
You know, I need them. I don't want to be
accidentally arrested. Um. You know. Yeah, It's there's like I
don't know how to do the money things. So I'm
glad that I have someone whose job it is to
(29:23):
just like do that stuff. Absolutely, the money thing, the
money things. So to bring it back to to to
the Jason Oppenheim question. Jason Oppenheim, we were we were
marking in the group chat about Jason Oppenheim's latest partner
who's a young woman whose whose name I'm not sure of,
(29:45):
but who is a good Marie Marie Marie lou And
she appears to be a good like Jason Oppenheim. I
put him at a good a fun game I play
with my partners. Am I taller than the Oppenheim twins?
I think no? But so I put him about five
four ish and I put her at about five seven eight.
(30:11):
And in the picture that we saw of them, she's
she's wearing the heels, and I opined that I don't
think I don't think there's a future for them because
she's wearing the heels. Am I be Do you think
that that's right? Or is it? Or is it? Am
I looking at it the wrong way? And that Jason
is so confident in his Jason nous that he's like, yeah,
(30:33):
tower over me, like I don't care. This is a
social construct, you know, um, and and with my with
my short king crown actually were the same height. Am
I looking at this the wrong way? No? But I
did think that was funny because remember I don't know
if you remember in the chat, but like I went,
(30:53):
I think it was a year ago. Nicki Glazier was
host seeing the unscripted MTV musical Lords, and I went
and I saw both of them. I famously Crill asked
me for a tampon in the bathroom. I gave it
to her, pretended as if I had no idea who
she was, but gave it a very warm smile, and um,
this was right. I think this. The timing was right after,
(31:16):
like a week after it had been announced that they
were dating or something, and I was like, and also
Christine and her husband sat on the other side of
the room and didn't speak with them at all. Yeah,
so I was like, oh, that ship is real, I guess.
But I would say five Forest probably correct. And all
(31:40):
those girls, I think it might just be a Hollywood
model thing, like they're not seen without heels, you know.
But I did think that was a hilarious observation because
while my most long term boyfriend was my height, and
I didn't wear heels around him out of first, out
(32:00):
of respect for his for his like masculinity, or just
like I guess naturally, I didn't want to seem like
a giant next to him. I'm not like some I guess.
I'm not like some slight, breakable woman, you know. Yeah,
it's so like the other thing about Jason. I'm realizing
(32:21):
now through this that I've like modeled a lot of
my attempt at confidence after Jason. Jason is like a ripped.
Both the twins are pretty are pretty like rich guy ripped.
It's clear that they're taking some kind of like testosterone
replacement something and that they also spend like six figures
(32:42):
on like some kind of health regimen. But the danger
with Jason and then this is an opinion I also
put in the chat is at that it can throw
your proportions off at that height, because the danger is
you look like a mailbox, which I guess you could
say Jason doesn't quite look like a mailbox. But it's
always a concern for me that, you know, God, if
(33:04):
if you go, if you're not careful you to the gym,
you get too ripped, you just look like like a
like a brick walking towards somebody. I'll tell you what.
That's also my concern. That's why I'm not at the gym. Yeah, absolutely,
that's my reason for knockling to the gym. Okay, I
don't want to get too ripped like Jason Upenheim, my
(33:24):
former love um no, but I get what you're saying.
They are in impeccable shape. They're like very well groomed.
I have to say there's another element. There's another big
element here. There is something to me that is very
alpha attractive about a intentional bald man, Like they do
(33:48):
have to have an element of handsomeness to pull off bald.
But like a man who shaves off his whole hair,
I'm like, yeah, that's confident as well, Like there's a
like an attractive there's a lot of attractive bald men
like that are like that that shave it all off.
You know, I agree, especially in in today's day and age,
where it's like, you know, Jason Oppenheim absolutely has the
(34:09):
resources to get the most top shelf hair replacement person,
which happens like all the time now, which is crazy.
I was just at a comedy show last week where
we were just having like open conversations, or I was
not part of them, but I was listening to like
open conversations of just being like, yeah, man, I'm like,
(34:31):
the propecious of the propecia is the goalie, and the
Monoxidila is the grow it back, And I'm on that
stuff and people just like are very Maybe it's like
the l a nous of it, but people are just
like very open about like I'm staving off the baldness
with with all that I have at my at my disposal.
Oh my god, that's so funny. Every guy I've dated
(34:51):
in the last ten years has been on Propecia, Like
everyone talked openly about it. I'm like, yeah, of course,
of course, it's like the male birth control. No, but
of course they would ever at birth control for men. Um.
Oh my god, we could talk this forever. I guess
we got to get back to our interview and Trey
on the stock still, Okay, let's talk about him. So
according to Lucian Wiggles, of course, my private detective, are
(35:14):
you aware of him? Yes? Okay, good, okay, good um.
According to Lucian Wiggles, the band fishes spell with pH
Why is that, Jason? It seems misleading though it is
a slightly misleading, But again, it was kind of like
the thing that appealed to me a little bit about them,
which was just like a kind of like childlike weirdness.
(35:40):
It was just like silly for no reason. Um, and
something about that was fun to me at the time
and it still is. And um, do you have siblings, Jason?
I do. I have a brother and older younger. He's younger.
He's a nurse. Okay, And so how did you get
into me? Zick? Was that like what made you get
(36:01):
into music and what made you want to be a musician? Well?
I was the first. I was always like attracted to
the shape of a guitar, just like the look of it.
I remember one of my like when I was in
fourth grade, maybe one of my friends, got one of
those like like a toy guitar that just like has
like the buttons like on the neck and no strings,
and I was like, Wow, that looks so freaking cool.
(36:24):
And then, um, I don't know, it just called to
me for whatever reason. And then I got one. It
took like three years of begging, but then I eventually
got one. And I remember, um, the first time I
ever played for people, like some of the kids in
the neighborhood who played instruments were like jamming in the
driveway of like this. What I thought was a cool kid,
(36:47):
you know how Like I don't know if this happened
in in Orange County, but at least like on Long Island,
there were cool kids, and later on in life you
realized they weren't cool. They were like criminals. Like they
were like like actually criminals, like who should have been
fucking locked up? If I feel about every person I
(37:08):
met in an open mic from toen, so we I
played like we would just laying jamming, like in the
driveway of like this person who I thought was like
a really really cool guy who later I would learn
it was like a criminal and and he was like,
hey man, you're good. Keep doing that. And it was
(37:29):
like the most amazing jolt of and it was like
energy to like here that I was good at something,
and I just was chasing that ever since after that.
You know, it felt like a way also, you know,
like I grew up in a very very you know,
Long Island was like super it was just like different
(37:51):
forms of white people. Um, and so it felt like
it really felt like a way which I would never
have said this at the time, but it felt like
a way to like kind of I could express like
feelings in a way that was cool to other people. Yeah,
well that's what art is like, um, getting those feelings
(38:14):
out of yourself in like um, well, I guess semi
public way or even if it's not public, it's outside
of yourself, even if no one sees it. Um, that's
really cool, Okay, And yeah, I had like never listened
to the band Fish like all my life. All I
had ever heard is like some vague joke about it
(38:37):
being like a never ending songs that's basically true u um,
But you know, there was there was something about going
on the journey of that song. Now, I will say
there's a there's also a joke about Fish and and
jam band music in general that it's like something like
(38:58):
if you're not high, the music not good. And I
will say there's an element of trick to that, Dear
Owen Wilson Exclusive Wilson Exclusive, there's an element there's an
element of truth to that. But there was also like, um,
(39:19):
you know, that was like a point in my life
when I was trying to I was trying to, um,
get really good you know, and why why like why
get good at this thing? And something about those jams
taught me like there's oh, there's like an intentionality and
a thoughtfulness and an actual like journey that you can
take people on through expression if you uh interact with
(39:45):
like your art in that kind of sincere way now again,
I don't do what music anymore, but I've taken that.
I've like, it's kind of a lesson that I've taken
with me is like to try and just work really hard,
no matter how silly the you're doing, is to try
and give people an experience. Oh I like that, Jason,
(40:06):
And you know I because I had never heard I
popped on a few songs before this podcast, and um,
I was like two piggyback off what you're saying. I said,
there is something about this music where it's not in
this it's outside of our like immediacy obsessed, no attention
(40:34):
span culture or if you're gonna listen to this, if
you're or a type of music and this band fish,
you really have to lock in and be present and
sign on to like get involved. It's not like, um,
you can't really appreciate it, like, you know, just like
(40:56):
you would pop music or something totally. I think, and
that's you know, I think that's part of the thing
that I still find like really cool about it, is
like there's still space for that, even though it's not
particularly my brand of thing anymore, there's still like an
audience for that of people who are like, you know,
I've looked at everything that's out there, and I want
(41:18):
something really really weird and different. And that's cool that
that that people can still find that and have that
experience that makes me happy. Yeah. Yeah. The level of
engagement needed within yourself to interact with this band fish
(41:43):
it's sort of like the music equivalent of reading a novel.
It really is. And it also was you know a
lot of it too was like a point in my life.
Like you were, you're an actual like elite athlete, so
so so you know, what I'm gonna say is like
maybe gonna come off as semi ridiculous. But when I
(42:05):
was like going to their shows, I was like the
Steph Curry of myself at that time. Like I remember
one of their shows. I waited, you know, it was
like an outdoor summer show, um you state New York,
and I waited. I got up before all of my friends.
First of all, like I traveled in this for these
(42:26):
set of shows with a bunch of people I had
never met before, with like a pair like a pair
of one change of clothes, like inside of a drum.
It's kid of like a gem beydrum and then I
slept the easiest bag, like this is the most convenient
practical bag I could think of my drum. Yeah, and
(42:46):
then I slept like in a folding chair for this
whole time like outside I didn't have attend And then
and then uh waited like three hours before the gates
open for the gates open then so I could get
right in front of the stage. And then it's like
another four hours before the band comes on. And I
don't remember like eating, drinking, going to the bathroom like
(43:09):
I was like the Greek freak of like that was
my physical peak. Uh. And and part of what was
fun about the band was just like being that young
and having like no attachments to to anything and just
getting to be like, yeah, this is I I can
I'm enjoying being this young right now. Yeah, or yeah,
(43:31):
just having I know, those experiences are so important because
unless you're some person who's like wildly adept at keeping
them in your life as an adult, they are there
are fewer and far between as you get older. Um, okay,
And is this type of music solely for drug tours?
(43:55):
I do feel like Nancy Reagan asking that, but like
what is the vibe? It's the drug music. Um, you know,
it's part of the culture. But I think that at
the center of it, it's it really is about the music.
The music is really like it's you have to have
(44:15):
a certain level of like skill to do what they do.
And the people that that follow that band or in
that world like really really appreciate the music. Oftentimes, you know,
like the substance around it can be like or like
the vehicle for them to like get deeper in it.
But it's but I think at the core of it,
it's really about the music. Now again, people are high
(44:39):
there that is the thing that really marijuana or what
we talking about Jason talking about. You know, there's like
shrooms involved. You know, again I haven't been there in
a number of years. Shrooms are of the earth. I
would imagine that L s D is consume there and
a lot of we in different forms like in brownie
(45:02):
form and edible form and yeah and um, and so
you will find that there. And I will say, unfortunately,
like I think I knew I was done with it
when there were certain friends that were like, oh, we
just like to party, and then it's kind of like
the party never really stops and you're just like, Okay,
(45:24):
this is getting to a place where I don't want
to be part of it anymore. And that was part
of like why I pulled away from it. But um,
especially you say you pulled away okay, okay, Um yeah.
I do remember those people because like if you have
any modicum of ambition, at some point you look around
(45:48):
those people and you're like they become a little bit
sad to you, whereas first you thought they were so
exciting and cool. I remember that, and I always like think,
while you know, I did have some tragedy strike, but
at the same time, when I was young and impressionable,
(46:09):
I was always like, thank god I had like something
I really cared about to keep me at least a
little bit within the lines, you know, sports, because like
I was, I've always been like interested. I'm like I
like to experiment. I like to like meet like artistic people.
You know, when did you first not to flip the script,
(46:32):
but when did you start being serious about comedy as
like a thing? It was like minute one, Like I
was obsessed. And I'm also just like an intense person,
so like when I like something, I will, you know.
And I was like an athlete my whole life, and
I had this idea of like, oh, if you want
(46:52):
to be good at something, this is what it takes,
you know. But I was in grad school and I
had never been to a show in my life, and
my boyfriend at the time took me to a show.
I was twenty five. That was my first comedy show
I've ever been to. And I never followed comedy. I
knew nothing about it. I wasn't like I didn't see
it growing up for anything, and so when I first
(47:14):
discovered it, I was like, oh my god, like I
can't even believe this world exists. I became obsessed and
like that first year after I learned, because since I
was a writer at the time, I started and I
was in grad school to become a novelist, and I
started writing for Splitsider, interviewing these comedians and then I
broke up with that boyfriend. And then in the shower
(47:34):
one day, I had the thought like, oh, I should
do comedy, and like literally I had never had that
thought before, and I was really sad, and I was like,
I won't feel pain if I'm bad, and um, then
like I just started two days later. Yeah, Wow, that's
really amazing. I was like I could never do it.
There's no you could totally do it. I would bomb
(47:57):
once and I would be like, that's it. I'm walking
into the jungle to go join like the uncontacted native
tribes in the Amazon, so I will never ever have
to reflect on this again. Yeah, I think there is
this thing of um Like I used to balk at
(48:18):
that thing where people would be like, oh, comedians are
so fucked up. They have so much tragedy and trauma
and all this stuff like that used to annoy me
because I would be like, no, everyone has that. They're
just more honest about it and talking about it and
opening themselves, which is true. But then also now that
(48:38):
I've been in it for a while, speaking to what
you just said, I'm like, oh, there's in each comedian
the tolerance to experience pain is so much higher than
the threshold. Like most people would be like, that's like dehumanizing,
that's degrading, Like I don't want to experience that. It's
(48:59):
just constant indignities and and like comedians are so sick.
They're like oh no, ill two people, and oh I
have to pay you to perform and you hit me
with a truck after yeah, sign me up. I could
never do a player. Wait so when did you why
(49:20):
and when did you quit doing music? Like was there
a moment um you start? Uh, it wasn't a moment.
It was like a series of moments over over several
years where you know, I had made like dead serious sincerely,
(49:43):
I had made that. I had made that like dark
promise a million times, like I'm gonna get I'm gonna
be great, I'm gonna be like the greatest or I'm
not gonna live like I'm gonna and then which is
like a really romantic thing you do as a young person.
And then like after a while you're like, you know,
I'm getting my brother is sending me his like old
(50:06):
Asthman Hailer's Like I'm seeing car commercials with people my
age in them. I have like no money at all. Um,
I know I know this story, uh, and like maybe
this isn't going to happen. And it took a long
time to like get to that place actually, and it
(50:28):
was um and it was really part of what made
it hard was like all my friends, you know, that
was like the identity that I had for all my friends.
So I knew that no one would really understand it.
And I also knew that because like this was something
like I wanted so badly for my entire life that
I just had to stop immediately. Like there was no like,
(50:49):
oh and I'll just continue to like write songs like
on the weekend. No, I had to like cut it off,
like cauterize it. So I just, after like a bunch
of years, just to be like what am I doing?
What am I doing? What am I doing? Like I'm
I'm more a waiter than like a musician, aren't aren't I?
And then eventually I just had to be like enough,
(51:11):
and I sold all night instruments and I just like
literally stopped thinking about it. I had to get rid
of all the stuff that reminded me of it, and
I just cut it off. I just like it was
like an hard left turn started new life. But it
was it was not. It was hard. It was hard
to get to the place where I was like, you
(51:32):
know what, uh uh, everybody who told me that I
shouldn't do this was right and I need to accept
this and move on. And that's and it was hard
to get to that place. Yeah, but you also listen
to yourself and that you needed more like you needed,
Like some people never quit because they and like the nons,
(51:56):
like the people who don't make it their life because
they're like, Okay, this is enough for me, you know.
And as I said, I took a lot of like
the lessons I've learned, like about intentionality and stuff, and
I've applied that to like what I do now. There
was also the thing, like you were saying, where you
kind of noticed how like sad people are. Like I
had done a couple of tours where it was like
(52:18):
one of our the bass player I was touring with,
like lived in a storage container and it was like
like complaining all the time about this and that and
this person. It's like, man, I don't want to be
like this. I don't want to you know. I don't
want to be toxic about everything I'm doing all the
(52:38):
time and this much. Yeah, I don't want to be
that person. Yeah, No, it's so important. Um gosh, okay.
According to Lucian Wiggles, Trey met his Fish band mates
at the University of Vermont, where they played their first
gig in the school cafeteria. We're an attendee of eventually
(53:00):
blasted Michael Jackson's thriller album to drown them out. Have you, Jason,
ever been publicly humiliated while attempting to start your dream
because I relate to this story deeply. Oh yeah, yeah,
um okay, So I uh, this is when background I
(53:21):
was pursuing music. Are band was playing at a festival
in northern California and then what was your band's name?
I don't want to say. Alright, fine, but I was
in a band and we were like very and you know,
we were locally, we were in the mix. We were
(53:41):
like a local band, but we had gotten a spot
like at this h at a festival. And some guys
I went to music school. I went to Berkeley College Music.
Some guys I was to music school that also had
a band and they were so so so good and
they were, um, like one of the bigger bands on
the on the on the list of bands. And there
(54:05):
they were like, Hey, we're doing this late night set
at like the late night jam like tent, you know
where they played from like midnight to like four am
or whatever. Come and sit in, bring your stuff. So
I bring my stuff and I'm standing there at the
side of the stage and I'm standing there and I'm
(54:26):
standing there, I'm staying there waiting for him to like
call me out, and it just became like like you
could I could feel like almost like a spotlight was
on me, like growing hotter and hotter, and I could
feel people like, and this is probably not true, but
I could feel people like wondering why this person was
standing on the side of the stage with like a
(54:46):
guitar strap to them when they weren't playing. And it
was like and it went on and on and on,
and then it became clear like this was some sort
of weird miscommunication where I don't think anybody had ever
told anybody that like I was going to be there
to sit in in and so eventually I just had
to like slink backward, you know, like there's people behind
(55:07):
you too, because there's all these people like on the
side of the stage. And again I've got like my
funk I carried my aunt there, and I've got like
my guitar on me, and I just like had to
like slowly, slowly, like slink away, hopefully slowly so like
no one would turn and see that I was there
(55:28):
doing that and walking away. And then I just left. Uh.
And it was still to this day talking about it. Man,
that was like devastating. Wow, that's brutal, and you just
like it means so much too. Yeah, it's still a canny.
It's so hard when especially you know, sometimes you do
have the up and coming skill level and you get
(55:48):
opportunities and they can be like embarrassing or whatever, but
especially pre skill level, where your skill level is not
there and you're still like developing it, and it's just
like like I know, for me, when I first started,
I was because I was a writer before, like I
every word was written like and I was so into
(56:10):
like the linguistics of my jokes and stuff, and I
liked my jokes and it was like I had like
a good thing going pretty instantaneously, but I had no
skill level as a comedian, like if it wasn't going well,
if it was like a rough crowd, or if they
(56:30):
were like what to do if they weren't liking my material?
And I god, I had just I had no idea
what to do if it was like off script. And
I had so many like embarrassing times in like raucous
crowds growing up or starting out. When so by the
time I saw you at Faded, how long had you
(56:53):
been a comedian. By that point, it was probably or
something like that, um twnny eighteen. I had probably been
doing it's almost six years, so my my experience years.
(57:14):
My first experience seeing your set was like, first all,
it was like so funny, and then second of all,
it was like I was like, this person is doing
a very broy persona, but in a way that says
how smart they are at understanding what this persona is.
(57:34):
And that was the first time I saw you and
I was just like, Wow, this is really funny and
interesting in a different way, so you can do it.
But yeah, you had been doing it a while, I
guess by then, but it was like I was like
really blown away by your set. Oh thank you. It's
so funny how people perceive you, because like I would
never see myself as Broi in anyway, but I guess
(57:57):
that like inherent a ringing comes out and I also am.
People will sometimes ask me like is that a character
on stage, and I'm like, no, that's like my ID,
that's like the fore me because you know, like off stage,
I'm a pretty soft person like and that, and like
you know, I'm really polite. I don't always like stand
(58:22):
up for myself and stuff and so like on stage,
I think that like repression just comes out and it
feels great to just sort of be like an unfiltered monster.
I think you were screaming about steak, and yeah, I
love screaming on stage, like I love doing that. Um, okay,
(58:45):
So Trey had been married to his college girlfriend for
twenty eight years, so I guess his wife not girlfriend.
But would you say Jason is the key to Tray's
uh specific marriage longevity? Oh gosh, well, he got his life,
he got sober, which I think was like a big
(59:05):
deal in two seven after It's Heroin or rest according tolution, Yeah,
so I'd like, um, that was I think a thing
that probably helped a lot of people was him being
so public about his problem and talking about like getting help,
and you know, I think, uh, it's you know, I
(59:26):
don't know anything about their but their marriage, but I
would assume like it's like clear communication and just like
a collaborativeness about the relationship. A relationship essentially is like
a collaboration. Um, and hopefully like for a good collaboration
to happen, everybody feels that they're heard when they need
to say something. So I would assume that it's like that,
(59:47):
and you know, like their music is that it's very
responsive to like signals and two different musical ideas. So
I would hope that and the long haul, like getting
like improvising for twenty five minutes all to get to
like some peak point of the jam twenty four minutes in.
(01:00:10):
And so hopefully that kind of intention is the secret
to trade in his wife's longevity relationship. And what do
you also say, uh, surmise that. I don't know if
that's surmise Is that a word? Um? That that is
the key to a lasting marriage in general. I've well,
(01:00:32):
it seems like it's working for them, and I hope
that it is. I hope to find out one day.
All right, you know, I like to ask these questions
find out I'm trying to understand. Um, okay, cool, Well,
I don't have more questions, but I think we're reaching
the end. Jason. We like to do a little segment
at the end of our podcast called fan on the Street,
(01:01:08):
and we asked our guests if they have any fun
celebrity anecdote that they are able to share a run
in that's fun for our audience. Um, oh yeah, I
have one. I have a fun one. So, um, hold on,
what's so? When I first moved to Ala, moved moved,
I was over in um Alician Park, uh and uh
(01:01:32):
walking my dog and this is like legitimately it's day two,
and this guy turned to me. Hey. He was like, hey,
watch out because there's these little foxtails here and your
dog might snort like as as they sniffing around, could
snort up a fox sail and get wedged up in
the nose and you'd have to take them into the
vet and then it's very painful for the dog and
they'd have to remove it and that would be also
(01:01:54):
very expensive for you. And I was like, thank you.
And I looked at the guy and it was Brett
Gilman of Stranger Things and many other things. It's like, wow,
Brett Kilman just just told me to watch out for
fox tails. That's im in l A. Now I've made it. Yeah,
that's l A as hell. I need a dog. Wow, um, god,
(01:02:17):
I have There's so many of the things that I
could talk about with you. Um, I have to have
you on again. Um, I'd love to come back. Yes,
thank you. I'm so glad. This has been a long
time coming in. What a really nice, treasured experience for me.
So thank you for agreeing to do the show. Um,
and I'm glad. I'm glad that to finally do it.
(01:02:40):
Thank you for thinking of me, and I would come
back anytime. Yeah. We didn't even get into the NBA
or sports. God, we have some next time. Yeah, we
have so many topics to cover. We could have done
a whole podcast on selling sunset. We could have done
a whole podcast on selling sunset. I want to know
what it's like to be an elite athlete, like point
like we's like, it's truly like, what is it like
(01:03:03):
to be an elite athlete? Is a question that I'll
ask next time. Okay, Yeah, we'll have to we'll get
into that. You know. I can tell you about taking
Kevin Love around on his recruiting trip, um, all of that. Yeah,
Russell Westbrook, all these men. Yeah. Um okay, Well, Jason,
(01:03:26):
it was great to see you. God blessed, Thank you
all to the Blair Bears for listening. And I'll see
you next week. Bye. Okay
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