December 2, 2021 • 37 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in
two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers
to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you
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were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands
of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the
backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals
recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments
out of the windows of restored ALCHEMYO cheriots to keep
the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black,
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Opal Brown courts, bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of
jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife,
wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ass. This
is at the ancestors told me that you would come
to give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come. Dropping
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Roping Gem Welcome to the Dropping Gems podcast. I'm Debbie Brown.
This is my podcast. It is a place where we
explore higher consciousness and really ground it, really ingor it
into the present moment so that we can live it,
embody it, use it to transform ourselves and others, and
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ultimately live the highest vision of our lives. That is
my intention for myself, that has my intention for each
person that comes across this show. So today's episode, I
had a chance to record a really fun and interesting
episode of the Money Moves Podcast. Now. Money Moves Podcast
is an in depth podcast that is hosted by Tanya Sam,
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a really gorgeous, dynamic, brilliant woman, and I had a
really great time being in conversation with her. The show
is dedicated to empowering black and brown communities to in
the wealth gap by providing financial planning tips, with guests
sharing their successes and how they balanced the money moves
behind their names and businesses so they're making money moves
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to in the wealth gap. By highlighting the celebrities that
are making significant money moves and giving a platform to
experts in the financial literacy space and an opportunity to
break the myths holding all of our communities back. The host,
as I shared, her name, is Tanya Sam. She's so dope.
She's a tech savvy businesswoman. She's the director of Partnerships
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at tech Square Labs, a technology startup, phub and venture
capital fund, and Tanya is passionate about creating pathways to
bring more women and minorities into business and technology. Yes,
so needed. So I did an episode of their podcast
that they're going to be premiering on their network in
the next couple of weeks. But they gave me permission
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to give you an advanced listen and share my episode
of Money Moves with Tanya sam Here on Dropping Gems.
So in this episode, we explore mindfulness, we explore some
money moves, um, and I give a little bit of
thought around building a business in this space and things
that you might want to consider if you're called to teach.
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So that is this. I hope you enjoyed the episode. Hey,
money Movers, Welcome back to Money Moves, the daily podcast
determined to give you the keys to the Kingdom of
financial stability, wealth and abundance. Welcome money Movers to the
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Money Moves podcast powered by Greenwood. Our expert this week.
Serves as the Chief Impact Officer at Chopra Global and
is the voice of daily Meditations on the Chopra Wellness apps.
She is a well being educator and author, the founder
of Karma Bliss, and the founding board member of the
Mental Wealth Alliance, host of the Black Effect Network podcast
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Dropping Gems. A seasoned broadcaster and a multimodality healing practitioner,
someone whose voice I have listened to many many times,
who is truly as beautiful on the outside as she
is on the inside. The incredible spiritual hitler, Debbie Brown,
Please welcome to our podcast. I'm so grateful to be
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here with you. Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
I feel like already I am vibrating at a higher
level just having you grace our screen, and I'm so
excited to share you know, more about you and your
journey so that you can empower so many many, so
many of our listeners and audience to take their lives
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to a higher level. M thank you so much, and
thank you for this gorgeous work that you're sharing with
the world. Like the impact that you're making is so
powerful and it's so needed. We need that financial routine,
we need that spiritual routing, that mental emotional healing, um
all holistically full circle. I was just gonna say, you know,
you were all about empowerment, inner peace and overall self love,
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but the holistic aspect of looking at how we can
both you know, be a tuned to ourselves and at
the same time achieve success and wellness in our lives
so that we can truly live our fully authenticated lives.
So I'm an appreciative of this and you being here today.
So I just want to dive into Debbie, you know,
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and what you just spoke to, like abundance and is
our birthright? Yes, And I think that we're just now collectively,
especially within black and brown communities, really able to embrace that.
For centuries, we've been on this path of forced resilience,
this idea that life is to be endured and not enjoyed.
And I think that we are at that big paradigm
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shifting moment in human history right now where we're all
realizing that we are worthy of more. We are deserving
of more. It is our birthright to have ease, abundance
and grace flow into our lives, and we're looking to
really like share our gifts and powerful new ways and
you know, make a wage that creates generational freedom and
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generational wealth. Yes, And that is so true, you know,
it's so interesting to even hear. I just did a
meditation this morning and I used that mantra all the time.
Abundance is my birthright. So I just hope that those
listening can really take that in and feel what feel
your the power of your words, and be able to
put it forth into their daily lives, because that's what
this podcast is about. Money Moves is about creating generational
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wealth and abundance not only in our bank accounts, but
for our families, for our souls and spirituality. So Debbie, again,
thank you so much. But I want to take us
back to you know how you sort of got started
on your journey, UM. You know, you you're working with
incredibly visionary grades like Deepak Chopra and you know, helping
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so many different spirits all across this kind trade. Can
you tell us how you started in radio and entertainment, UM,
and then we'll sideway to where you are now. Yeah,
thank you for that. You know, I think when I
think of my story in my life, it's just for me.
It's a representative of the way that God's whispers really
guide the path. How that kind of deeper inner knowing
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that we can't even fathom or really see. You know,
the vertical of the long term view of UM has
always been available to us, and there's always been whispers
that have guided us. And so you know, I'm the
only child raised by a single parent, and by nature
of that that means I'm always inside my own head,
inside my own heart, investigating UM. And so I kind
of hit the perfect path because I've always been a seeker.
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I've always been deeply curious about the world and deeply
curious about myself. So when I birth, when I started
my professional working life, I started in broadcasting. And so
when I went to college, I thought, I either want
to be two things. I want to be a psychologist
or I want to be a news anchor. Kind of
two opposite ends of the spectrum. But I kind of
feel like I've done both. That actually makes perfect sense somehow, right,
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I was, like, so, actually I knew what I was
doing a rating UM. But I started my path in
broadcasting and really an underground hip hop in l A specifically,
it was an era of time where we were the
underdogs and wrap in the music. And I was on
the radio at that time and working with like a
lot of the young emerging wrap talent of Los Angeles
that has since gone on to take a huge space
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in the world. And you know, when I was in radio,
what I fell in love with about radio was the
ability to connect. I think overwhelmingly. Aside from like the
celebrity or music industry perks or you know, interview opportunities
that came with it, it was the day to day
talking to my listeners, hearing from people from all over,
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the demographic of Los Angeles and what mattered to them,
what interested them, what made them feel seen and heard,
and so through that I was I was working in radio,
but then I was also working in the community and
taking on different projects, and I was the Community Action
Director and so many different things, um. And you know,
while I was in that, it really unlocked in me
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this desire to create a space to be a soft
place to land for, you know, to to allow them
to feel seen, to feel heard, to to feel experienced,
you know. And that was the thing that really guided
me through close to a fifteen year career of working
in entertainment. I also had a chance to work in
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TV and do a bunch of fun, amazing things, um
But at a certain point I needed more, you know,
at a certain point. The way that especially that culture
of entertainment was set up when I was working in it,
it was all about judgment. Everything was rooted in coming
up with this really fast opinion even if he didn't
know what you were given an opinion on, you had
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to come up with something, and you had to be
in judgment. You were constantly telling like the intricate workings
of someone else's life from an outside perspective, and I
got to a point where I couldn't stomach it. It
just wasn't an alignment with how I wanted to think,
how I wanted to feel, or how I wanted to
share myself in the constraints that I had, and so
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mix in with that, I was like one of the
youngest executives at the time. Um, I was a music director.
I was really young. I was like the only woman
doing that, and by nature of that, I got burned out,
and by nature of like some of the excess that
was around, I got burnt out at a really young thing.
And did you recognize it as burnout? Like because now
you know you're on this very spiritual and holistic path, right,
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did you recognize it then as burnout? And were you
as at tuned as you are now or was as
this sort of in the evolution of your journey? So
I'm definitely evolved. Um, but I think in many ways, yeah,
this has always been my path. I didn't always have
the language for it. I didn't always know how to
share it. But it has always been my path. Um.
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I was a kid who I was in middle school
with the self help book, you know, like I, I've
always been fascinated by transformation, fascinated by the human spirit
and human emotion, and so I did always resonate with this,
and I was always in some degree studying ways to grow,
to enhance myself, to become more of me um. But
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you know, when I when I was having the burned out,
I didn't quite know that it was like my existential
crisis time. I didn't know that it was like me
figuring out a whole new way of living. But I
knew that I couldn't continue as I was. I didn't
have all the wise of why I couldn't. I definitely
didn't have the next step in mind. But I knew
something had to shift, and that I was being called
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to powerfully shift, and that if I didn't, that whisper
from God would have turned into like catching a fade
from God, and I was not available for that. I
did not want to argue with God. I didn't want
to fight. I wanted to surrender and so that led
me to my very first meditation retreat almost ten years
ago with deepak Um at one of his locations, and
that's where I learned to meditate. And everything about my
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life changed after I learned to meditate, and I knew
that I was called to help people heal and to
help people to understand themselves more deeply. So eventually that
led me to become certified in this work. I have
multiple certifications and so many different areas of healing and
deep in my own practice. I started my own business
and now my full circle. I am back with Deepac
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at Choper Global. Um in deep gratitude of being able
to share this powerful work with the world. Absolutely um.
I will say, you know, we've all just come out
of this world in global pandemic, where we've all been
shut down, locked in, facing so much uncertainty. And this
was actually the first time I learned to meditate. I
hadn't really meditated before the pandemic, and I was exposed
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to it through just different apps, and I am so
grateful for it. I have probably put in thousands of
hours now, um, and it's become such an integral part
of my life and I'm just so grateful for it,
And I'm also so grateful for what you are doing
with DEEPOC, exposing especially black and brown communities to being
able to have this tool that I think is truly
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life changing. And you know, as our in our community
in particular, we carry a lot of this with us,
and just to be able to have the tools and
expose so many more hearts to this is just like
really truly prolific work. Oh my god, thank you for
saying that, And I'm so happy that you're meditating. It
is the greatest gift. It is the biggest misconception is
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that it's hard or it's expensive. Can you tell us
a little bit more about your work as topra's Chief
Impact Officer, And you know, I I love that this
is a full circle moment for you. Yeah, you know,
it's so beautiful. And I think that that in deepox
works so incredibly and powerfully speaks to divine flow, to
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receptive energy, to the synchronicities in our lives and the
greater stories being told. So when I look back at
my path of purpose, I'm just like, you know, it
may not make sense from now outside looking in, but
it actually makes perfect divine sense for me, I'm like, oh,
that's where that dot connected, That's where that twist happened. Um.
But my work with Choper Global is so so important
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to me, and what it's really rooted in is giving
access to all to this healing work UM, specifically communities
of color. So often I think that sometimes by way
of programming, sometimes just by lack of knowing m lack
of organic kind of seed planting of this work. These
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rooms are often very very white and very specific demographics.
And you know, when I first came into this space
as someone that was looking to heal, It's like, why
am I the only person that looks like me in
these rooms that can't just speak because of price point?
You know, what are the other barriers to healing that
we have up that need to be disarmed? And I'm
a believer that communities of color deeply need and deserve
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this work at every level. Like we're not just working
through the curriculum of spirit that we came to this
earth with. We're also working through major ancestral healing, major
intergenerational trauma, you know, and very often we don't naturally
find this work because either our families of origin or
systems of belief keep us looking at healing in one
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specific way, or keep us looking at God in one
very specific way. Um. And also because sometimes we just
don't always know that this is happening and available for us,
especially if you don't live where I live in Los Angeles.
I don't live in New York or those coastal cities
that have more access, you know. And so meditation, you know,
I think is so it seems so mysterious to people.
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But it's sitting still and being quiet, that's it, which
is exactly and that is that is sort of the
beauty of it. Um. That I that I've learned to
love about it because society makes us be like go,
go go. And you know, I think something you said
was super interesting because on money moves, we want to
dispel a lot of the misconceptions that may may or
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may not have been handed down to us through previous generations, etcetera.
And I think that this is exactly one of them.
Being able to be open and vulnerable about where you
are with yourself, with your traumas. I mean, you even
spoke to you know, as people of color, like the
genetic imprinting that we perhaps don't even know has been
passed on. So being able to break those myths and
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talk about it openly, I think is also the key
to just not only creating generational wealth, but generational freedom. Absolutely,
And you know, I think so often what's also kept
so many from the work it's just not even believing
that you deserve it and not knowing why you don't
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think you deserve it, you know, And so then you
just are wrestling with this inner chaos, in this inner shame.
And the deeper truth is that we've arrived at really
the first moment in human history where there is ease
to access this work, where we can look at all
of the structures at place, all of the compounded complex
stress and post traumatic stress that has been placed on us,
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and we can know that, hey, we didn't get this
work sooner. My parents, my grandparents, my great grandparents, didn't
get this work sooner because of structural oppression, because of
systemic racism, because of all the things that have kept
everyone bound throughout human history. You know. But now that
we've arrived at this point where we can speak our truth,
where we can move away from this path of forced resilience,
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where we can focus on self and allow ourselves to feel,
and it's safe to feel. It's a perfect opportunity to
really dive into and savor this work of self. It
is and I love that. And I think you know
something else you said, it's just sometimes we believe we
don't deserve it. And I think the same comes from
like our dream you know, we're we're like folks are
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scared to dream, Like, well, I can have what this
person has, I can have with this person. And it's
it's about cultivating that mindset and that intention and just
believing that your dreams are your reality. And I think
the meditation is the perfect way, um to achieve some
of that. Yeah, likewise, it's meditation is delicious, Like that's
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how I view it. I love that it's really challenging
at first, but it's only because we're not used to
being with ourselves. So as soon as we can disarm
that and just say, this feels uncomfortable because it's new,
not because it's wrong, not because I can't do it.
There is no perfect it's just new, um. And then
the to me, the greatest gift of meditation is it
really teaches you the deepest truth of who you are.
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It cultivates in need this natural gratitude. It creates space inside,
more space for you. You kind of unpack and pull
out so much of your story that doesn't serve you
so many ways that maybe pain has been cume your
identity and you're able to kind of get to the
best parts of who you are. This is so beautiful.
And what's so beautiful is like you have now taken
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something that you deeply passionately love and been able to
create a business around it, support yourself and like everything
feels so perfectly aligned. Can you talk about like the
business aspect of what you're doing and how you're able to,
you know, take something that you're super passionate about but
also make a living because I think that's so important
for people to realize that you can make your passions
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into your livelihood. You can absolutely make all of your
passions into your livelihood, but you also have to move
it past passion and you have to educate yourself. That's
something I want to make really clear, because in this
space of wellness, it's not just about positivity. It's not
just oh I believe it being positive and let's sit
down and be still and now pay me your money
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to tell me that you know. Thank you for saying that. Yeah,
I think it's important, you know, because in this day
and age, for so many it is is about fast money,
and it is about Okay, I'm trying to hit this lick.
I'm trying to get this bag because right now wellness
is on trend or X, Y and Z is on trend,
and so let me step into this space. Um and
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for me, it's about my own healing. It's about deeper legacy.
It is how will this show up in the world.
And so I think if you are passionate about something
and you want to turn it into a business, have
reverence for the calling on your life, have revents for
your gifts, and invest in yourself real tools that will
make whatever you dive into more than like getting the
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bag or hitting the lick, and turn it into lifelong
legacy that you can then use as a springboard into
new passions and new areas. You know, I'm a positive person, yes,
but I'm not selling positivity. I believe in deep, deep
shadow work. I have been you know, I have probably
spent the equivalent of an Ivy League education on my
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own education over the last ten years, on my training
and trauma, my training and somatic heally, my training and
energy work, my training in psychology, and so I recognized
that this was my calling. It was something that I
was intuitively and naturally good at, and I had cultivated
a really vast gift of communication to share it through
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my previous career. But it's through all the deeper work
and through all of the investment of myself and actually
creating like the systems and creating the way for this
to be my life's work, you know. So I do
believe follow your passion because your purposes in your passion,
but go deeper than just using it to make money
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and see how it can actually be reflective of the
larger story of your life. Being told, Drop, I was
super excited and incredibly inspired by your partnership with Alicia Keys,
with Choprah and the twenty one day um Meditation retreat.
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If if if I'm saying that serious, how that came about,
and I'm sure you're rolling it as bringing in other
women of color um onto his platform as well. Oh
so beautiful And as much as I wish I could
take credit for that, Deepak and Alicia actually beautifully old
friends that and she has been so steeped in this
work for so long. UM, but it was it was
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really wonderful. I felt like it was like such a
merger of my justest of having interviewed her and entertainment
and really loved the music for so long, and then
now with this beautiful programming. So the program that we
did with Deepak and Alicia was called the Divine Feminine
Pathway to Wholeness, and so you know, what we really
linked into was the power of sacred femininity, the power
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of the kind of tender warrior um, the strength, the
power and the grace of women. And there was a
gorgeous twenty one day meditation series that they each voiced
UM in service to their individual lenses of how to
kind of cultivate that archetypal energy within ourselves. And it
was millions of people around the world joined us for it,
and it was so powerful and people can still do
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it too. It's on our app so if you download
the choper appids right and there. Um. Yeah, it was
so powerful and I loved working on that with both
of them, and Alicia is so deeply authentic and so
deeply committed to bringing this work into a greater audience. UM.
Into sharing her gifts. I love it. I'm I'm serious.
It's so funny because your voice is so malipulous and
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nice to listen to. So I'm listening to you and
I'm going, yeah, so I gotta like, I gotta wake
up here. No, I'm just joking, but it is. It
is so lovely to listen to. So, Okay, now you've
left radio, you're back doing this spiritual work. Um, can
we talk about your podcast now that you have Dropping Gems,
because I mean, this is just more of you doing
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the work and what made you decide to sort of
be a creator in that space? Yeah, so my podcast
Dropping Gim's. I mean, you know, I did work in
radio for over a decade, and so my natural kind
of where I find my ease is in communicating. And
I was having such beautifully expansive conversations with so many
friends in both the hip hop community but also within
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the spiritual communities. And I'm like, I need a press
record of news and share them. Um, And so I
pulled the trigger on it about I started my podcast
I Want to Stay two years ago. We're now gratefully
with my Heart Media and the Black Effect Network from
Charlemagne the God, and the show is really centered on
making higher consciousness tangible, and I use a lot of
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my life as the case study for that. I really
study myself and study my process. I'm really always in
study of deeper spiritual work, and I kind of I
apply it and then I share how I experienced it,
and I invite other people in for the conversation. And
so we've had some really powerful guests. We've had some
really interesting stories, UM, and I love to demystify things
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that you know, maybe everyone as an open to, but
it has been a part of my life, like you know,
having your birth chart done and using that as a
useful spiritual tool. I recently just did my human design chart. Actually, yeah,
I had an incredible, incredible solicitor human design on my
show recently. Um. We we've had different spiritual teachers, acupuncturists, UM,
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sexual healers, people that work with blue healing. Just really
really expansive all the ways in which you can heal.
I I feature on my show, so you know, even
talking to you make it all seem so easy and
like you've just sort of come to this place. UM
along this like downhill, you know, water pathway can you
talk about some of the like key obstacles that you've
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faced in the past couple of years to get to
where you are now. I don't want people to even
think that it's always beds of roses um. Well, so
you know, here's the thing, it's always it is always
actually easy, because it's always about switching the lens of perception.
Like easy does not mean puppies and rainbows, you know,
easy does not mean I'm positive all the time, right,
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Deep spiritual work, healing work is about also greeting your shadows.
So it's not easy in the sense that I just
you know, I'm just like, oh, love and light. So
it's like I'm also sometimes in in tears for hours,
and I'm greeting past versions of myself. I'm moving myself
through grief in meditation, I'm allowing myself to feel. Spiritual
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growth is rooted and allowing yourself to feel and transcending
those feelings and dissolving any barriers that we have up
against receiving our own love. And so it's a it's
a work of the crevices. It's about getting into the darker,
deeper parts. That's the work of spirit. But it doesn't
have to be cloaked in fear, and it doesn't have
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to be cloaked in difficulty. It is something where I
can wake up and say, Wow, I'm feeling really heavy today,
I'm feeling kind of down today. Okay, let me go
sit down, let me see where that is. What wants
to come out, what wants to be known to me?
What am I supposed to heal in this moment. It's
more about the work of diligence. I love that, and
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I'm this is just such a word and such a
message for so many because I think just hearing it
and planting those seeds UM helps people prepare them for
like how they can best heal self. Debby, I love
that you've come to this UM and approach this, give
this work, which is a gift to so many, not
only as a way to form legacy, but also as
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a business. Can you talk about how you've come to
understand your worth in this and how you price this
out for so many other wellness healers or spiritual leaders
in this industry. Yeah, thank you for this question. You know,
I think the biggest thing that I encounter when I
speak with people that are looking to specifically work in
wellness as their life's worker, as a path. Usually in
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the beginning of it, there's the sphere of charging this
fear of turning it into is something that you monetize,
turning into a business. What I found is that really
the deeper layer of that is also spiritual opportunity to
do shadow work. You know, a lot of it, especially
for women in this space, is rooted in this idea
of being a martyr, this idea that has been modeled
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for us and thrust upon our sutriarchy, that everything you
do that is in service to others or that is
for healing, it's just you depleting yourself. But then no, no, no,
that's right. No, don't worry about me, you know, And
I rebuke all of that, like it's about a core
tenet of spirituality is about energetic exchange. There should always
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be benefit from both parties when doing business. And it's
not selfish and it's not wrong. It's a tenant of spirituality.
What is the balance, what is the receptive flow, the
giving and receiving. It has to happen in tandem. And
so I think, you know, for any any of that
are watching this and maybe connecting to this work, and
struggling with prosperity. You want to price yourself fairly in
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whatever that means to you write, But you also have
to know that you deserve abundance, that you are worthy,
that the work you've cultivated and the way you serve
and help other people is absolutely worth something. And you
deserve to have a life of softness, a life of ease,
and a life of abundance as well as you help others,
you know. And so when I think of my own work,
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like I do work at various price points. Like I
work in wellness at an executive level, I also work
on a talent level, and I also sometimes do more
intimate exchanges. And so you know, the way that I
occupy space. The biggest, the biggest piece that's important to
me in any work that I do is that there's
a debility inability to democratize it for all that need it.
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And so I might do that in a couple of
different ways. If I know that I am, you know,
contracted to speak at an event or lead a retreat,
and that retreat may cost between five thousand and ten
thousand dollars to attend, I also try to make whatever
I know that I'm teaching their more accessible to people
wherever they are, so that they can do this work
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from home, so that they can do this work for friends.
So I try to offer and create my teaching at
different levels, so an advanced case might be here, but
then I also will find a way to teach similar
themes at maybe a thirty dollar webinar or a price point.
So I want to make sure that I'm meeting everyone
where they're at, but I am also available to maximize
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my energetic potential um in each moment. Absolutely, and even
I mean as simple things as your podcast, it's still
a gift. There's still learning there, there's still ways that
you can reach and reach such other people as well.
And I completely understand this in um I started my
career as a nurse, so I completely understand the idea
for especially for women in this that we're just supposed
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to give endlessly and care for others, you know, at
whatever price points. So I appreciate you, you know, speaking
on that for so many because I think it's it's
a struggle for people to understand is it hey to
charge for this or add value to something that should
really you know that it is such a gift. Yeah,
and I think really research to you know, find the
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industry standard of other people where there are similarities, because
I think something that is happening now, largely because of
social media, are so entrepreneurism is really beautifully on the
rise and expanding. I have noticed that some people are
just making up prices, you know, some people are just
like I do this, it's five. It's like, okay, but
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how do we quantify what that costs so it's actually
sustainable because price gouging is not sustainable, you know. So
it's like, I think that we should still hold ourselves
as at a level of dignity in our offerings um
and then also find plans to make sure that the
work that we're doing is available to as many people
as possible, irregardless of their socioeconomic background. Yeah. Absolutely, And
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it's funny. I think there's a lot of different platforms
out there, like clubhouse, et cetera, where everyone is basically
raising their flag as the expert, putting setting their charges
and prices at whatever level. So it's also up to
us as consumers to do the research and find someone
that you're properly connected to that like yourself, has done
the work, has the expertise has educated themselves over you know,
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whatever amount of time they've been committed to being in
that industry. Devy, I feel like we haven't even approached
the tip of the iceberg with you, and I'm so
grateful for your time here today. Of course, Okay, Money Movers,
We're gonna take a quick break and be back with
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Heart Radio app, Apple pod Us, or wherever you get
your podcasts from. Ah, that was a good time. Big
shout out to Tanya Sam, big shout out to the
Money Moves Podcast. Big shout out to the Big Homey
Killer Mike. It's really dope show that I hope you
guys will take some time to check out. You know,
they're really exploring the financial piece of our lives, you know,
(33:22):
financial literacy. Obviously, we realize how how how how how
important that is. But I'm really fascinated by the way
we each relate to money, the ways that we each
relate to success, and there's so many different pathways and
this show really explores that. So there's a bunch of
amazing people that are on this show, huge names, money names,
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celebrity names, um, but all people that are making really
wise choices in their lives and expanding to all the generations,
all the lineage that will come from them. And that
is my intention to I want to access a level
of abundance in my life that will be more than legacy.
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It will become myth. It will be an ethos that
will be a way of being UM for everyone in
my lineage that comes from me, and for anyone that
happens to connect with me. So that is my intention
for my life. That is my intention from my wallet abundance, abundance, abundance,
And you know, I just want to invite anyone to
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spend some time exploring with yourself your relationship to money,
your relationship to abundance, and your relationship to the idea
of prosperity. And I know those three things have a
lot in common and they're often seen as interchangeable, but
they're very different things. They're very different pieces of our psyche,
very different pieces of perhaps healing that needs to take place,
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um different pieces of our creativity. So, if you have time,
some soul work for this episode might be really just
taking a moment to jot down a couple of thoughts,
to close your eyes and just see where you land
and where it's felt in your body when you bring
the word money into your consciousness. So first start with money, wealth, dollars?
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How do you relate to that? When did you start
relating to it in that way? How do you relate
to it now? The next piece would be inviting in
the word abundance and seeing where is their cross pollination
between abundance, that word and the word money, and where
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can abundance just be experienced and felt on his own
and when it is, what does it feel like? What
does it look like? What does it sound like? What
is it to live an abundant life? And the next
word to consider would be prosperity prosperity? What is it
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to prosper Do you have an aversion into prosperity? Do
you feel worthy of prosperity? Are you already living prosperity.
And again, there is never a right or wrong answer
to any of the questions we bring forward. It's really
just about observing what wants to emerge, what wants to
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be known to me, what wants to be revealed, deepened.
So I hope you'll take a moment to do that.
Big love everyone, Thank you for joining me, and I
must stay Hey. Find me on social Let's connect at
Debbie Brown. That's Twitter and Instagram, or go to my
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Roping Gem Welcome to the Dropping Gems podcast. I'm Debbie Brown.
This is my podcast. It is a place where we
explore higher consciousness and really ground it, really ingor it
into the present moment so that we can live it,
embody it, use it to transform ourselves and others, and
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ultimately live the highest vision of our lives. That is
my intention for myself, that has my intention for each
person that comes across this show. So today's episode, I
had a chance to record a really fun and interesting
episode of the Money Moves Podcast. Now. Money Moves Podcast
is an in depth podcast that is hosted by Tanya Sam,
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a really gorgeous, dynamic, brilliant woman, and I had a
really great time being in conversation with her. The show
is dedicated to empowering black and brown communities to in
the wealth gap by providing financial planning tips, with guests
sharing their successes and how they balanced the money moves
behind their names and businesses so they're making money moves
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to in the wealth gap. By highlighting the celebrities that
are making significant money moves and giving a platform to
experts in the financial literacy space and an opportunity to
break the myths holding all of our communities back. The host,
as I shared, her name, is Tanya Sam. She's so dope.
She's a tech savvy businesswoman. She's the director of Partnerships
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at tech Square Labs, a technology startup, phub and venture
capital fund, and Tanya is passionate about creating pathways to
bring more women and minorities into business and technology. Yes,
so needed. So I did an episode of their podcast
that they're going to be premiering on their network in
the next couple of weeks. But they gave me permission
(02:56):
to give you an advanced listen and share my episode
of Money Moves with Tanya sam Here on Dropping Gems.
So in this episode, we explore mindfulness, we explore some
money moves, um, and I give a little bit of
thought around building a business in this space and things
that you might want to consider if you're called to teach.
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So that is this. I hope you enjoyed the episode. Hey,
money Movers, Welcome back to Money Moves, the daily podcast
determined to give you the keys to the Kingdom of
financial stability, wealth and abundance. Welcome money Movers to the
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Money Moves podcast powered by Greenwood. Our expert this week.
Serves as the Chief Impact Officer at Chopra Global and
is the voice of daily Meditations on the Chopra Wellness apps.
She is a well being educator and author, the founder
of Karma Bliss, and the founding board member of the
Mental Wealth Alliance, host of the Black Effect Network podcast
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Dropping Gems. A seasoned broadcaster and a multimodality healing practitioner,
someone whose voice I have listened to many many times,
who is truly as beautiful on the outside as she
is on the inside. The incredible spiritual hitler, Debbie Brown,
Please welcome to our podcast. I'm so grateful to be
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here with you. Thank you so much, Thank you so much.
I feel like already I am vibrating at a higher
level just having you grace our screen, and I'm so
excited to share you know, more about you and your
journey so that you can empower so many many, so
many of our listeners and audience to take their lives
(04:47):
to a higher level. M thank you so much, and
thank you for this gorgeous work that you're sharing with
the world. Like the impact that you're making is so
powerful and it's so needed. We need that financial routine,
we need that spiritual routing, that mental emotional healing, um
all holistically full circle. I was just gonna say, you know,
you were all about empowerment, inner peace and overall self love,
(05:10):
but the holistic aspect of looking at how we can
both you know, be a tuned to ourselves and at
the same time achieve success and wellness in our lives
so that we can truly live our fully authenticated lives.
So I'm an appreciative of this and you being here today.
So I just want to dive into Debbie, you know,
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and what you just spoke to, like abundance and is
our birthright? Yes, And I think that we're just now collectively,
especially within black and brown communities, really able to embrace that.
For centuries, we've been on this path of forced resilience,
this idea that life is to be endured and not enjoyed.
And I think that we are at that big paradigm
(05:53):
shifting moment in human history right now where we're all
realizing that we are worthy of more. We are deserving
of more. It is our birthright to have ease, abundance
and grace flow into our lives, and we're looking to
really like share our gifts and powerful new ways and
you know, make a wage that creates generational freedom and
(06:13):
generational wealth. Yes, And that is so true, you know,
it's so interesting to even hear. I just did a
meditation this morning and I used that mantra all the time.
Abundance is my birthright. So I just hope that those
listening can really take that in and feel what feel
your the power of your words, and be able to
put it forth into their daily lives, because that's what
this podcast is about. Money Moves is about creating generational
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wealth and abundance not only in our bank accounts, but
for our families, for our souls and spirituality. So Debbie, again,
thank you so much. But I want to take us
back to you know how you sort of got started
on your journey, UM. You know, you you're working with
incredibly visionary grades like Deepak Chopra and you know, helping
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so many different spirits all across this kind trade. Can
you tell us how you started in radio and entertainment, UM,
and then we'll sideway to where you are now. Yeah,
thank you for that. You know, I think when I
think of my story in my life, it's just for me.
It's a representative of the way that God's whispers really
guide the path. How that kind of deeper inner knowing
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that we can't even fathom or really see. You know,
the vertical of the long term view of UM has
always been available to us, and there's always been whispers
that have guided us. And so you know, I'm the
only child raised by a single parent, and by nature
of that that means I'm always inside my own head,
inside my own heart, investigating UM. And so I kind
of hit the perfect path because I've always been a seeker.
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I've always been deeply curious about the world and deeply
curious about myself. So when I birth, when I started
my professional working life, I started in broadcasting. And so
when I went to college, I thought, I either want
to be two things. I want to be a psychologist
or I want to be a news anchor. Kind of
two opposite ends of the spectrum. But I kind of
feel like I've done both. That actually makes perfect sense somehow, right,
(08:09):
I was, like, so, actually I knew what I was
doing a rating UM. But I started my path in
broadcasting and really an underground hip hop in l A specifically,
it was an era of time where we were the
underdogs and wrap in the music. And I was on
the radio at that time and working with like a
lot of the young emerging wrap talent of Los Angeles
that has since gone on to take a huge space
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in the world. And you know, when I was in radio,
what I fell in love with about radio was the
ability to connect. I think overwhelmingly. Aside from like the
celebrity or music industry perks or you know, interview opportunities
that came with it, it was the day to day
talking to my listeners, hearing from people from all over,
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the demographic of Los Angeles and what mattered to them,
what interested them, what made them feel seen and heard,
and so through that I was I was working in radio,
but then I was also working in the community and
taking on different projects, and I was the Community Action
Director and so many different things, um. And you know,
while I was in that, it really unlocked in me
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this desire to create a space to be a soft
place to land for, you know, to to allow them
to feel seen, to feel heard, to to feel experienced,
you know. And that was the thing that really guided
me through close to a fifteen year career of working
in entertainment. I also had a chance to work in
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TV and do a bunch of fun, amazing things, um
But at a certain point I needed more, you know,
at a certain point. The way that especially that culture
of entertainment was set up when I was working in it,
it was all about judgment. Everything was rooted in coming
up with this really fast opinion even if he didn't
know what you were given an opinion on, you had
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to come up with something, and you had to be
in judgment. You were constantly telling like the intricate workings
of someone else's life from an outside perspective, and I
got to a point where I couldn't stomach it. It
just wasn't an alignment with how I wanted to think,
how I wanted to feel, or how I wanted to
share myself in the constraints that I had, and so
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mix in with that, I was like one of the
youngest executives at the time. Um, I was a music director.
I was really young. I was like the only woman
doing that, and by nature of that, I got burned out,
and by nature of like some of the excess that
was around, I got burnt out at a really young thing.
And did you recognize it as burnout? Like because now
you know you're on this very spiritual and holistic path, right,
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did you recognize it then as burnout? And were you
as at tuned as you are now or was as
this sort of in the evolution of your journey? So
I'm definitely evolved. Um, but I think in many ways, yeah,
this has always been my path. I didn't always have
the language for it. I didn't always know how to
share it. But it has always been my path. Um.
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I was a kid who I was in middle school
with the self help book, you know, like I, I've
always been fascinated by transformation, fascinated by the human spirit
and human emotion, and so I did always resonate with this,
and I was always in some degree studying ways to grow,
to enhance myself, to become more of me um. But
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you know, when I when I was having the burned out,
I didn't quite know that it was like my existential
crisis time. I didn't know that it was like me
figuring out a whole new way of living. But I
knew that I couldn't continue as I was. I didn't
have all the wise of why I couldn't. I definitely
didn't have the next step in mind. But I knew
something had to shift, and that I was being called
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to powerfully shift, and that if I didn't, that whisper
from God would have turned into like catching a fade
from God, and I was not available for that. I
did not want to argue with God. I didn't want
to fight. I wanted to surrender and so that led
me to my very first meditation retreat almost ten years
ago with deepak Um at one of his locations, and
that's where I learned to meditate. And everything about my
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life changed after I learned to meditate, and I knew
that I was called to help people heal and to
help people to understand themselves more deeply. So eventually that
led me to become certified in this work. I have
multiple certifications and so many different areas of healing and
deep in my own practice. I started my own business
and now my full circle. I am back with Deepac
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at Choper Global. Um in deep gratitude of being able
to share this powerful work with the world. Absolutely um.
I will say, you know, we've all just come out
of this world in global pandemic, where we've all been
shut down, locked in, facing so much uncertainty. And this
was actually the first time I learned to meditate. I
hadn't really meditated before the pandemic, and I was exposed
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to it through just different apps, and I am so
grateful for it. I have probably put in thousands of
hours now, um, and it's become such an integral part
of my life and I'm just so grateful for it,
And I'm also so grateful for what you are doing
with DEEPOC, exposing especially black and brown communities to being
able to have this tool that I think is truly
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life changing. And you know, as our in our community
in particular, we carry a lot of this with us,
and just to be able to have the tools and
expose so many more hearts to this is just like
really truly prolific work. Oh my god, thank you for
saying that, And I'm so happy that you're meditating. It
is the greatest gift. It is the biggest misconception is
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that it's hard or it's expensive. Can you tell us
a little bit more about your work as topra's Chief
Impact Officer, And you know, I I love that this
is a full circle moment for you. Yeah, you know,
it's so beautiful. And I think that that in deepox
works so incredibly and powerfully speaks to divine flow, to
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receptive energy, to the synchronicities in our lives and the
greater stories being told. So when I look back at
my path of purpose, I'm just like, you know, it
may not make sense from now outside looking in, but
it actually makes perfect divine sense for me, I'm like, oh,
that's where that dot connected, That's where that twist happened. Um.
But my work with Choper Global is so so important
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to me, and what it's really rooted in is giving
access to all to this healing work UM, specifically communities
of color. So often I think that sometimes by way
of programming, sometimes just by lack of knowing m lack
of organic kind of seed planting of this work. These
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rooms are often very very white and very specific demographics.
And you know, when I first came into this space
as someone that was looking to heal, It's like, why
am I the only person that looks like me in
these rooms that can't just speak because of price point?
You know, what are the other barriers to healing that
we have up that need to be disarmed? And I'm
a believer that communities of color deeply need and deserve
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this work at every level. Like we're not just working
through the curriculum of spirit that we came to this
earth with. We're also working through major ancestral healing, major
intergenerational trauma, you know, and very often we don't naturally
find this work because either our families of origin or
systems of belief keep us looking at healing in one
(15:25):
specific way, or keep us looking at God in one
very specific way. Um. And also because sometimes we just
don't always know that this is happening and available for us,
especially if you don't live where I live in Los Angeles.
I don't live in New York or those coastal cities
that have more access, you know. And so meditation, you know,
I think is so it seems so mysterious to people.
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But it's sitting still and being quiet, that's it, which
is exactly and that is that is sort of the
beauty of it. Um. That I that I've learned to
love about it because society makes us be like go,
go go. And you know, I think something you said
was super interesting because on money moves, we want to
dispel a lot of the misconceptions that may may or
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may not have been handed down to us through previous generations, etcetera.
And I think that this is exactly one of them.
Being able to be open and vulnerable about where you
are with yourself, with your traumas. I mean, you even
spoke to you know, as people of color, like the
genetic imprinting that we perhaps don't even know has been
passed on. So being able to break those myths and
(16:33):
talk about it openly, I think is also the key
to just not only creating generational wealth, but generational freedom. Absolutely,
And you know, I think so often what's also kept
so many from the work it's just not even believing
that you deserve it and not knowing why you don't
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think you deserve it, you know, And so then you
just are wrestling with this inner chaos, in this inner shame.
And the deeper truth is that we've arrived at really
the first moment in human history where there is ease
to access this work, where we can look at all
of the structures at place, all of the compounded complex
stress and post traumatic stress that has been placed on us,
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and we can know that, hey, we didn't get this
work sooner. My parents, my grandparents, my great grandparents, didn't
get this work sooner because of structural oppression, because of
systemic racism, because of all the things that have kept
everyone bound throughout human history. You know. But now that
we've arrived at this point where we can speak our truth,
where we can move away from this path of forced resilience,
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where we can focus on self and allow ourselves to feel,
and it's safe to feel. It's a perfect opportunity to
really dive into and savor this work of self. It
is and I love that. And I think you know
something else you said, it's just sometimes we believe we
don't deserve it. And I think the same comes from
like our dream you know, we're we're like folks are
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scared to dream, Like, well, I can have what this
person has, I can have with this person. And it's
it's about cultivating that mindset and that intention and just
believing that your dreams are your reality. And I think
the meditation is the perfect way, um to achieve some
of that. Yeah, likewise, it's meditation is delicious, Like that's
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how I view it. I love that it's really challenging
at first, but it's only because we're not used to
being with ourselves. So as soon as we can disarm
that and just say, this feels uncomfortable because it's new,
not because it's wrong, not because I can't do it.
There is no perfect it's just new, um. And then
the to me, the greatest gift of meditation is it
really teaches you the deepest truth of who you are.
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It cultivates in need this natural gratitude. It creates space inside,
more space for you. You kind of unpack and pull
out so much of your story that doesn't serve you
so many ways that maybe pain has been cume your
identity and you're able to kind of get to the
best parts of who you are. This is so beautiful.
And what's so beautiful is like you have now taken
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something that you deeply passionately love and been able to
create a business around it, support yourself and like everything
feels so perfectly aligned. Can you talk about like the
business aspect of what you're doing and how you're able to,
you know, take something that you're super passionate about but
also make a living because I think that's so important
for people to realize that you can make your passions
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into your livelihood. You can absolutely make all of your
passions into your livelihood, but you also have to move
it past passion and you have to educate yourself. That's
something I want to make really clear, because in this
space of wellness, it's not just about positivity. It's not
just oh I believe it being positive and let's sit
down and be still and now pay me your money
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to tell me that you know. Thank you for saying that. Yeah,
I think it's important, you know, because in this day
and age, for so many it is is about fast money,
and it is about Okay, I'm trying to hit this lick.
I'm trying to get this bag because right now wellness
is on trend or X, Y and Z is on trend,
and so let me step into this space. Um and
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for me, it's about my own healing. It's about deeper legacy.
It is how will this show up in the world.
And so I think if you are passionate about something
and you want to turn it into a business, have
reverence for the calling on your life, have revents for
your gifts, and invest in yourself real tools that will
make whatever you dive into more than like getting the
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bag or hitting the lick, and turn it into lifelong
legacy that you can then use as a springboard into
new passions and new areas. You know, I'm a positive person, yes,
but I'm not selling positivity. I believe in deep, deep
shadow work. I have been you know, I have probably
spent the equivalent of an Ivy League education on my
(20:55):
own education over the last ten years, on my training
and trauma, my training and somatic heally, my training and
energy work, my training in psychology, and so I recognized
that this was my calling. It was something that I
was intuitively and naturally good at, and I had cultivated
a really vast gift of communication to share it through
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my previous career. But it's through all the deeper work
and through all of the investment of myself and actually
creating like the systems and creating the way for this
to be my life's work, you know. So I do
believe follow your passion because your purposes in your passion,
but go deeper than just using it to make money
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and see how it can actually be reflective of the
larger story of your life. Being told, Drop, I was
super excited and incredibly inspired by your partnership with Alicia Keys,
with Choprah and the twenty one day um Meditation retreat.
(22:00):
If if if I'm saying that serious, how that came about,
and I'm sure you're rolling it as bringing in other
women of color um onto his platform as well. Oh
so beautiful And as much as I wish I could
take credit for that, Deepak and Alicia actually beautifully old
friends that and she has been so steeped in this
work for so long. UM, but it was it was
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really wonderful. I felt like it was like such a
merger of my justest of having interviewed her and entertainment
and really loved the music for so long, and then
now with this beautiful programming. So the program that we
did with Deepak and Alicia was called the Divine Feminine
Pathway to Wholeness, and so you know, what we really
linked into was the power of sacred femininity, the power
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of the kind of tender warrior um, the strength, the
power and the grace of women. And there was a
gorgeous twenty one day meditation series that they each voiced
UM in service to their individual lenses of how to
kind of cultivate that archetypal energy within ourselves. And it
was millions of people around the world joined us for it,
and it was so powerful and people can still do
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it too. It's on our app so if you download
the choper appids right and there. Um. Yeah, it was
so powerful and I loved working on that with both
of them, and Alicia is so deeply authentic and so
deeply committed to bringing this work into a greater audience. UM.
Into sharing her gifts. I love it. I'm I'm serious.
It's so funny because your voice is so malipulous and
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nice to listen to. So I'm listening to you and
I'm going, yeah, so I gotta like, I gotta wake
up here. No, I'm just joking, but it is. It
is so lovely to listen to. So, Okay, now you've
left radio, you're back doing this spiritual work. Um, can
we talk about your podcast now that you have Dropping Gems,
because I mean, this is just more of you doing
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the work and what made you decide to sort of
be a creator in that space? Yeah, so my podcast
Dropping Gim's. I mean, you know, I did work in
radio for over a decade, and so my natural kind
of where I find my ease is in communicating. And
I was having such beautifully expansive conversations with so many
friends in both the hip hop community but also within
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the spiritual communities. And I'm like, I need a press
record of news and share them. Um, And so I
pulled the trigger on it about I started my podcast
I Want to Stay two years ago. We're now gratefully
with my Heart Media and the Black Effect Network from
Charlemagne the God, and the show is really centered on
making higher consciousness tangible, and I use a lot of
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my life as the case study for that. I really
study myself and study my process. I'm really always in
study of deeper spiritual work, and I kind of I
apply it and then I share how I experienced it,
and I invite other people in for the conversation. And
so we've had some really powerful guests. We've had some
really interesting stories, UM, and I love to demystify things
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that you know, maybe everyone as an open to, but
it has been a part of my life, like you know,
having your birth chart done and using that as a
useful spiritual tool. I recently just did my human design chart. Actually, yeah,
I had an incredible, incredible solicitor human design on my
show recently. Um. We we've had different spiritual teachers, acupuncturists, UM,
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sexual healers, people that work with blue healing. Just really
really expansive all the ways in which you can heal.
I I feature on my show, so you know, even
talking to you make it all seem so easy and
like you've just sort of come to this place. UM
along this like downhill, you know, water pathway can you
talk about some of the like key obstacles that you've
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faced in the past couple of years to get to
where you are now. I don't want people to even
think that it's always beds of roses um. Well, so
you know, here's the thing, it's always it is always
actually easy, because it's always about switching the lens of perception.
Like easy does not mean puppies and rainbows, you know,
easy does not mean I'm positive all the time, right,
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Deep spiritual work, healing work is about also greeting your shadows.
So it's not easy in the sense that I just
you know, I'm just like, oh, love and light. So
it's like I'm also sometimes in in tears for hours,
and I'm greeting past versions of myself. I'm moving myself
through grief in meditation, I'm allowing myself to feel. Spiritual
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growth is rooted and allowing yourself to feel and transcending
those feelings and dissolving any barriers that we have up
against receiving our own love. And so it's a it's
a work of the crevices. It's about getting into the darker,
deeper parts. That's the work of spirit. But it doesn't
have to be cloaked in fear, and it doesn't have
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to be cloaked in difficulty. It is something where I
can wake up and say, Wow, I'm feeling really heavy today,
I'm feeling kind of down today. Okay, let me go
sit down, let me see where that is. What wants
to come out, what wants to be known to me?
What am I supposed to heal in this moment. It's
more about the work of diligence. I love that, and
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I'm this is just such a word and such a
message for so many because I think just hearing it
and planting those seeds UM helps people prepare them for
like how they can best heal self. Debby, I love
that you've come to this UM and approach this, give
this work, which is a gift to so many, not
only as a way to form legacy, but also as
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a business. Can you talk about how you've come to
understand your worth in this and how you price this
out for so many other wellness healers or spiritual leaders
in this industry. Yeah, thank you for this question. You know,
I think the biggest thing that I encounter when I
speak with people that are looking to specifically work in
wellness as their life's worker, as a path. Usually in
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the beginning of it, there's the sphere of charging this
fear of turning it into is something that you monetize,
turning into a business. What I found is that really
the deeper layer of that is also spiritual opportunity to
do shadow work. You know, a lot of it, especially
for women in this space, is rooted in this idea
of being a martyr, this idea that has been modeled
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for us and thrust upon our sutriarchy, that everything you
do that is in service to others or that is
for healing, it's just you depleting yourself. But then no, no, no,
that's right. No, don't worry about me, you know, And
I rebuke all of that, like it's about a core
tenet of spirituality is about energetic exchange. There should always
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be benefit from both parties when doing business. And it's
not selfish and it's not wrong. It's a tenant of spirituality.
What is the balance, what is the receptive flow, the
giving and receiving. It has to happen in tandem. And
so I think, you know, for any any of that
are watching this and maybe connecting to this work, and
struggling with prosperity. You want to price yourself fairly in
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whatever that means to you write, But you also have
to know that you deserve abundance, that you are worthy,
that the work you've cultivated and the way you serve
and help other people is absolutely worth something. And you
deserve to have a life of softness, a life of ease,
and a life of abundance as well as you help others,
you know. And so when I think of my own work,
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like I do work at various price points. Like I
work in wellness at an executive level, I also work
on a talent level, and I also sometimes do more
intimate exchanges. And so you know, the way that I
occupy space. The biggest, the biggest piece that's important to
me in any work that I do is that there's
a debility inability to democratize it for all that need it.
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And so I might do that in a couple of
different ways. If I know that I am, you know,
contracted to speak at an event or lead a retreat,
and that retreat may cost between five thousand and ten
thousand dollars to attend, I also try to make whatever
I know that I'm teaching their more accessible to people
wherever they are, so that they can do this work
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from home, so that they can do this work for friends.
So I try to offer and create my teaching at
different levels, so an advanced case might be here, but
then I also will find a way to teach similar
themes at maybe a thirty dollar webinar or a price point.
So I want to make sure that I'm meeting everyone
where they're at, but I am also available to maximize
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my energetic potential um in each moment. Absolutely, and even
I mean as simple things as your podcast, it's still
a gift. There's still learning there, there's still ways that
you can reach and reach such other people as well.
And I completely understand this in um I started my
career as a nurse, so I completely understand the idea
for especially for women in this that we're just supposed
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to give endlessly and care for others, you know, at
whatever price points. So I appreciate you, you know, speaking
on that for so many because I think it's it's
a struggle for people to understand is it hey to
charge for this or add value to something that should
really you know that it is such a gift. Yeah,
and I think really research to you know, find the
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industry standard of other people where there are similarities, because
I think something that is happening now, largely because of
social media, are so entrepreneurism is really beautifully on the
rise and expanding. I have noticed that some people are
just making up prices, you know, some people are just
like I do this, it's five. It's like, okay, but
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how do we quantify what that costs so it's actually
sustainable because price gouging is not sustainable, you know. So
it's like, I think that we should still hold ourselves
as at a level of dignity in our offerings um
and then also find plans to make sure that the
work that we're doing is available to as many people
as possible, irregardless of their socioeconomic background. Yeah. Absolutely, And
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it's funny. I think there's a lot of different platforms
out there, like clubhouse, et cetera, where everyone is basically
raising their flag as the expert, putting setting their charges
and prices at whatever level. So it's also up to
us as consumers to do the research and find someone
that you're properly connected to that like yourself, has done
the work, has the expertise has educated themselves over you know,
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whatever amount of time they've been committed to being in
that industry. Devy, I feel like we haven't even approached
the tip of the iceberg with you, and I'm so
grateful for your time here today. Of course, Okay, Money Movers,
We're gonna take a quick break and be back with
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Heart Radio app, Apple pod Us, or wherever you get
your podcasts from. Ah, that was a good time. Big
shout out to Tanya Sam, big shout out to the
Money Moves Podcast. Big shout out to the Big Homey
Killer Mike. It's really dope show that I hope you
guys will take some time to check out. You know,
they're really exploring the financial piece of our lives, you know,
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financial literacy. Obviously, we realize how how how how how
important that is. But I'm really fascinated by the way
we each relate to money, the ways that we each
relate to success, and there's so many different pathways and
this show really explores that. So there's a bunch of
amazing people that are on this show, huge names, money names,
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celebrity names, um, but all people that are making really
wise choices in their lives and expanding to all the generations,
all the lineage that will come from them. And that
is my intention to I want to access a level
of abundance in my life that will be more than legacy.
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It will become myth. It will be an ethos that
will be a way of being UM for everyone in
my lineage that comes from me, and for anyone that
happens to connect with me. So that is my intention
for my life. That is my intention from my wallet abundance, abundance, abundance,
And you know, I just want to invite anyone to
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spend some time exploring with yourself your relationship to money,
your relationship to abundance, and your relationship to the idea
of prosperity. And I know those three things have a
lot in common and they're often seen as interchangeable, but
they're very different things. They're very different pieces of our psyche,
very different pieces of perhaps healing that needs to take place,
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um different pieces of our creativity. So, if you have time,
some soul work for this episode might be really just
taking a moment to jot down a couple of thoughts,
to close your eyes and just see where you land
and where it's felt in your body when you bring
the word money into your consciousness. So first start with money, wealth, dollars?
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How do you relate to that? When did you start
relating to it in that way? How do you relate
to it now? The next piece would be inviting in
the word abundance and seeing where is their cross pollination
between abundance, that word and the word money, and where
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can abundance just be experienced and felt on his own
and when it is, what does it feel like? What
does it look like? What does it sound like? What
is it to live an abundant life? And the next
word to consider would be prosperity prosperity? What is it
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to prosper Do you have an aversion into prosperity? Do
you feel worthy of prosperity? Are you already living prosperity.
And again, there is never a right or wrong answer
to any of the questions we bring forward. It's really
just about observing what wants to emerge, what wants to
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be known to me, what wants to be revealed, deepened.
So I hope you'll take a moment to do that.
Big love everyone, Thank you for joining me, and I
must stay Hey. Find me on social Let's connect at
Debbie Brown. That's Twitter and Instagram, or go to my
website Debbie Brown dot com. And if you're listening to
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the show on Apple podcasts, please, please please don't forget
to rate, review, and subscribe and send this episode to
a friend. Dropping Jams is the production of I Heart
Radio and the Black Effect Network. It's produced by Jack
Quees and me Debbie Brown. For more podcasts from My
heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
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