August 16, 2021 • 52 mins
After watching this meaningful episode, the Girls discuss how Peyton’s attack was handled and give voice to so many young women who have been similarly traumatized, including Joy, who shares one of her own personal experiences.
At the same time, within this monumental episode, Nathan and Haley share their first kiss. "The Kiss" is accentuated by Switchfoot's “Dare you to Move” and we all realize the integral part music plays within Tree Hill.
Brooke's developing friendship with Mouth is sweet and #goals.
Plus, a Lucas revelation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me. We're all about
that high school drama. Girl drama girl, all about them
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will will. Wow. That was strong episode because the episode,
I mean, good God, it's on the one hand, so
ugly and over the top awful, and then it like
boo rings around to this really beautiful, tender sweet place
(00:50):
and it's it's just kind of wild. It makes you
kind of forget it. Well, let's just get into it. Yeah,
let's get into it. Episode eight, The Search for Something More,
aired originally on November eleventh, two thousand three, And oh,
wasn't this a doozy hoping to have fun? Brooke and
Payton attend a college party, but the situation gets bad
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when a guy named Gabe drugs Peyton and everything goes
to hell in a handbasket. That wasn't part of the
write up, but it was just how I felt about
the episode. Yeah, sure, Okay, So we started talking about
this the second the episode ended. Um, And so it
was just in the midst of being like, oh my god,
what's sweet, tender, lovely things? But then we remember, oh
(01:33):
there was it started heinous miss stuff at the beginning
of the episode. Terrible. Yeah. I really wish we there
had been more. I wish we had kind of been
able to take a whole episode or at least, you know,
to work out that storyline and all the implications of that,
because it's just it felt a little glossed over. Well yeah,
(01:56):
I mean, if you have never been a soul did
and you're writing an episode about assault, it is really
easy to be like, hey man, nothing happened, You're fine,
wake up the next day and put on your backpack
and go to school. Um. The reality of that, we
all know is blowny um. And so you know, if
(02:18):
this show was made today, they would be definitely like
reporting this because if he's going to roofy Peyton, he's
going to roofy other people. Yeah, I mean he had
a pack. Yeah, it wasn't the first last time. And
then like the realization even if nothing happens, the realization
(02:41):
that something could have gone really really bad? Is enough
two really um really affect you in a very negative way.
It makes you so distrustful. And so you know, even
Peyton being affectionate with Lucas, I don't know that that's
like a natural action, you know. For for me, I'm like,
(03:03):
how about nobody touched me for like a good long time.
There is something that's so deeply traumatic about the realization
as a young woman that you move through the world
and by more people than you thought, are looked at
as prey rather than as a person. And we really
(03:26):
did just gloss over that. The one thing that I
do I think they did well essentially ignoring what happened.
Like the one sort of peek in that I thought
was really interesting was in the time that you know,
Brooke and Lucas are waiting for Peyton to wake up.
(03:47):
They they allowed for just a little smidge of room
for the shame and the self blame that women feel
for stuff like this, And to see Brooke blame herself
felt important because so many women do that. But what
also bothers me is that there was no It's like
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they wanted to get just a little close to it.
They didn't want to get into the reality, which is,
what would the shame be that Peyton carried, what would
the fear be, what would the post traumatic stress look like?
They didn't want to deal with any of that. But
I also think about how in two thousand three this
wasn't a conversation a lot of people were having Oh
my god. So it's like, weirdly, it's it's sort of
(04:29):
progressive that we talked about it. And also it feels
like we dropped the ball. I remember senior year beach Week.
We all went down to like if you graduated in Virginia,
you'd go to the beaches in North Carolina for Senior
year Beach Week. And so all our friends went to
like Myrtle Beach in South Carolina and like party beaches
all over the place, and my friends and I ended
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up in Corolla, which is like north in North Carolina.
It's like where all the family houses are. It's very square.
And it was because we were like, well, bad things happened,
like we don't want anything bad to happen, And sure enough,
a girl that we were friends with got rufied down
in Myrtle Beach, and so we hear about it through
like the trickle you know, we didn't have cell phones,
(05:14):
but you hear it, you know, the trickle of information.
And my girlfriend went out that night and like hooked
up with some people that we didn't know, and we
stayed we were looking for her all night. I was furious, furious,
and so yeah, for this just to kind of like
get glossed over and it's like, okay, well, onto the
next party. You know how many parties have we done
(05:36):
on the show? Eight episodes in and like there's there's
like bad stuff at every party. Yeah, and the assumption
that just because Peyton has walked into his room and
you know, I was looking at records, that she must
suddenly be interested in hooking up with him. I remember
when I was I remember, and I was living in
New York and I was twenty and hanging out with
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a group of friends, guys and girls mixed. And there
was this guy who was older in the group, probably
like and he was a big, tall guy. Um, and
we were walking down the street and I don't know
what I said, something kind of flirty and was like
just being I was just you know, being like I
did with my girlfriends. I mean, I was just being flirty.
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Oh my god, my heart is pounding on, like sweating,
even talking about so funny I would like, and I
just remember he grabbed me, he picked me up and
shoved me against a wall and pressed his whole body
up against me, and he said, you better be careful
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talking like that, and none of them all, everybody kind
of just like stopped, like and then he like he
just held me for a minute up against the wall,
and then he set me down and then just kind
of like it was, you know, like, oh, I taught
her a lesson. Ha ha. Didn't say that, but that
was the attitude. And and I just kind of like
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I remember just having to let let the emotion just
drop off of me because I couldn't process it because
all my friends were there and they all didn't know
what to do, and it was all just so like yeah, yeah,
and then move on, bring up the next topic of
conversation and just keep walking. Um. But that moment has
stuck with me my whole life. That feeling of like
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I'm not safe to just be myself because it might
incite violence trigger. It's really scary. I'm so sorry. I mean,
I don't know, I don't know any person. I don't
know any woman that hasn't had but that moment. That's
why I'm saying it because it's so common. We all
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have experienced things like that that and guys don't. So
many men don't understand that that's they think, Oh, we're
being naive. It's like, no, we're not. We just don't
think that somebody's gonna look at us that way. And
that's where I think the complexity comes into, is that
it's not us being naive. It's not us quote unquote
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putting ourselves in a dangerous situation. What the is a
dangerous situation going to the grocery store, Like, it's really
just us being in the world and you get it's
like getting hit, It's like getting t boned in a car.
You have no idea that someone coming at you is
has run a red light because you are obeying the rules.
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Like That's what's frustrating about these kinds of dynamics is, um,
the lack of understanding that it's just what we're met
with for existing well, and also the tone that this
episode sets so, um, we're doing this interview, I had
to do it today, and it will come out, you know,
(08:50):
I don't know it'll come out a little bit after
this episode airs, and they asked her, like, well, what
things tonally did? Did you have a problem within two
thousand three, And like, guys, there's a bunch you know
as we watch, and it was hard to like rattle
it off in the moment. And and this episode is
like blaring because the girls start off going to shop
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in a lingerie store and the result is that she's
sexually assaulted, right, and nowhere in there is the conversation like, babe,
you did not ask for this, you know, it is
just assumed. Well, you dressed in chada print like a
slot at a party. You went to a college party,
and this is what happens, you know, and so you
(09:34):
just have a drink. Sleep it off, girl, you know,
don't sleep it off. Report it, you know, like get
checked up on that shame that makes you feel like
this is gonna plague me forever and I'm not going
to be believed. You will feel better having reported it,
whether you're believed or not, you will know that you
(09:54):
have done what you needed to do. Um, yeah, it's gross.
I wish that we've done a better job with that.
We did good stuff with other things in this episode,
but that was like a strong episode overall, but but
you do you see where those sort of glaring holes are.
And this, I think is part of what we've all
talked about in the past, and I'm sure we will
(10:16):
continue to but you know, the lack of upper level
representation in the you know, group of producers or writers
of any women to say, hey, you're missing something about
our experience. You're you're using you're using a stereotype or
a theme rather than telling the truth. And I feel
(10:39):
really grateful, as I have in other episodes so far
with our show, but that we're able to talk about
this stuff and kind of unpack what worked and what didn't,
because my hope is that people who watched the show
who also went that doesn't feel right can have a
little bit of a of a place to come too
(11:00):
and and you know, a better answer or or at
least feel acknowledged in in what was probably you know,
for some people uncomfortable to watch because they had had
really similar experience. Well, there's trigger warnings on shows now, right,
Did they go back and put trigger warnings on like
old shows? I don't think so. I didn't see one
(11:22):
when we started this episode. I guess not because that,
by the way, that was triggering for all of us
to watch. Like I we all watched it through like
our hands, just kind of like, yeah, it wasn't it
wasn't fun. So if that was triggering for you, um,
you know, so many of you guys have trusted us
with your narratives and with the things that have happened
in your personal lives, and so like, aside from the show,
(11:46):
we hope, girl to girl that you feel like you
have the resources and the support system to deal with it,
because it's it's lingering. It's not a let's go to
school the next day situation. Now it should not feel
like that. Yeah, you should have a space where you
can unpack that. And I do think it's really worth,
you know, highlighting what you said Hill about the importance
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of reporting. I think we've all in our own ways
experienced the reality of um not being listened to and
the way we wanted to when we did report. Yeah,
that it happens to us. But what I will say
is what it enables you to do, maybe you'll have
(12:33):
the best outcome and hopefully, you know, the me too
movement and so much of the legal progress we're seeing
means that people are better listened to than we were
in the experiences each of us is thinking about right now.
That's making our chests feel tight. But the thing you
can hold onto even if you don't get the outcome
you deserve, is when you have spoken your truth. When
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you have told people what happened. Everybody knows and they
either know they showed up for you or they know
they failed you. And I genuinely believe that that is
part of the larger reckoning that's happening in society that's
going to make systems and procedures change overall. People have
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to know how prevalent this stuff is, and so you know,
take your time, do it in your own way. Make
sure you're protecting yourself and your energy, and that you
feel safe and that you feel held. But if any
if anybody who's with us today is questioning whether or
not they should open up about something or seek recourse,
(13:41):
I hope you feel empowered to do so because you've
deserve it. Yeah, I agree, all right, So that's yeah,
because there's really lovely stuff in here. Yeah, Well, one
of them is Brooke really redeems herself in this episode.
(14:02):
Not only a one eight, it's like a it's like
an eleven eighty, you know what I mean. It is
just pirouettes of difference from the last episode, even the
way we wake up together and I'm like, oh, but
you and Luca's we're having a time. It's like they did.
I feel like they did that to Brook a lot,
where they were like, we really need someone to do
(14:22):
some inappropriate next episode, just pretend it didn't happen. And
I was like, this is okay, all right. I love
that she shows up at Nathan's house in that corduad
blazer and buttoned up and she's like, I'm really trying
to change my karma. Yeah, so that was so sweet.
I'm just trying to appease the gods. I love that
you were like, she's pagan, but I did. I loved
(14:47):
that the also sort of the permission to, you know,
own up to your failures and try to make it better. Yeah.
I loved her sending you guys on a scavenger hunt.
I forgot that I was the one that did that.
That was a cute, super cute. It was a cute.
What they called it, They called it a serial date?
(15:09):
Is that is that a real term? Wouldn't it be
a progressive date. I thought it was a serial date,
a real thing, because it sounds dangerous serious. It really
made me think of a serial killer, which is like
not the point of the romantic lift in the episode. No,
I'm getting like excel charts, you know, like I'm not
(15:32):
seeing anything. Is that an old timey word? It's old timey,
That's what it is. That must be what do the
kids call those dates? Now? Kids don't date now, they
just text each other. Yeah, they like snapchat. That was
so fun. I don't you know, I remember, I remember
filming some of that, the night walks and stuff. But again,
(15:56):
it's hard. So much of this stuff blurs together for
me because we've spent so many nights outside on the streets, um,
you know, filming stuff. So um yeah. But I I
loved watching it. I loved watching Nathan and Haley really
find each other for the first time, in Haley standing
up for herself and being like, I'm not putting up
(16:17):
with this ship. I was saying when we were watching it,
I would not have had that confidence, especially when when
um Tim and the basketball players come to the table
and Nathan totally denies that they're on a date. And
I would have I would have just been like, oh, yeah,
it's fine. Whatever imploded, Yeah, exactly, it's fallen inward with shame. Yeah,
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but you have to act cool on the surface. Then
I would have gone home and cried and felt awful.
And but the fact that Haley was just like yeah, no,
you know what for a girl that like, like, what
do we think Haley's background is in dating? You know,
like for a girl is not practiced in dating for
her to come out of the gates, so like, oh no, no, no.
(17:04):
Of the basketball team, right, He's like he's like the
guy just drop my pen. That's how much she meant it.
She's like he's like the big, superstar stud on campus
and she is like feels awkward and feels like, you know,
is he really going out with me? And this is crazy?
But she's not willing to sacrifice her integrity and her
(17:28):
what she believes about herself and her confidence for this guy.
So so Baller just love her. Yeah, She's She's really
fantastic this episode. When you're watching it, Joy, do you
feel like you're watching yourself or do you feel like
you're watching a different person. I don't feel like I'm
watching myself. I know that it's me um, and I've
(17:50):
sometimes there's a little like electrical current that goes between
me and the screen, and I'm like, oh, I feel
I remember that I was feeling awkward or well, you know,
and I have a little muscle memory, but overall, I
don't have a lot of actual memories of being behind
the scenes. And there's a lot of stuff I watched
(18:10):
them like, I have no recollection of being in that location,
and I don't know saying those words and all these lamps.
I just would have said something if I recognize the lamp. Um. Yeah, No,
it feels like somebody else. But I recognize the emotions
of all the things I was feeling as a person
(18:32):
back then. This is kind of a long winded answer, sorry,
but I didn't think it's insecure back then, and really
like awkward. So I think I feel it's still in
my way. So if do you feel like you're watching
yourself or like a different animal, No, I really don't.
It feels so strange. What's really interesting is I can
see in episodes seven and eight, I can see my
(18:56):
terror and fear about I've never really done this before.
Four I've gotten done on episode or a scene. I
can see that relaxing. I don't feel like I'm pushing
as hard to like be good at being brooked. But
I also like, I just it's so odd because I, yeah,
I remember how strange and insecure I felt, and also
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how weird it was to feel that way inside of
playing the captain of the cheerleading squad, who's this super
overtly ballsy girl. You know, we had some really big
kisses in this episode, like monumental, game changing kisses, and
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that is the stuff When people are like, how do
you weigh the good stuff and the bad stuff, I'm like, listen,
we're putting the bad stuff out there because we deserve that, um.
But that's what helps people to know for the future.
You know, we're transparent and honest. It's healing, it's informative
for others. It's great. But it's fun to watch these
episodes where we get to celebrate the big good stuff
(20:08):
and the Nathan and Haley just like epic kiss in
your front yard? Can you tell us about that day?
Did you know that it was going to be a
big deal that day when you were filming it. I
knew it felt like a big deal. Within that storyline. Uh,
(20:32):
I knew. It was like a moment that we had
kind of all been waiting for. I I don't, no,
I didn't. I mean I did certainly didn't know they
were going to put that switch Foot song with it,
which was that was A Walk to Remember had just
come out too, I think the time. So there was
that other that switch Foot song. I don't know if
it was in that, if that same song was in
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um A Walk to Remember, or if it was a
different one of their songs, but they were a huge
band at the time, and so to get that song
put at that moment, it was such a big deal. Um,
such a big deal and and uh I was kind
of nervous and um because I hadn't had a lot
of on screen kisses. Um what I've seen the beautiful
(21:18):
video that was cut together on Twitter Joy. It's my
favorite thing ever when fans that was just with him,
though I hadn't had a lot except other with with
Paul Anthony Stewart, my co star on Guiding Light. You
were so sexy in all of those bakeout scenes that
you did with that other dude. And I remember watched
it like how old were we wouldn't that happen? But
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what's kind of great? It is like your kiss with
Nathan is so different from Peyton's interaction with him, which
is so fun to watch as a viewer, like, oh,
there he is, you know you bring out the hymn.
It was the It was a great way for him
to redeem himself after at you know, awful moment at
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the table. They had this really sweet night and his
his you know bad the bad part of his character
kicked in and he betrayed her and denied that they
were on a date and and she left And I
love that it. That was a really vulnerable move for him.
It wasn't like I'm just gonna like I'm a big
tough guys like. It wasn't an ego move like I'll
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kiss her and then I'll win her over. It was
like a genuine what else could I possibly do? How
can I let this girl know how much I like her?
And he just went for it. Um, big big deal.
We all cheered. It was such a great feeling as
I have such a crush on Nathan and Haley. It's
just really fun to watch. Did you have a kiss
in real life like that? You guys did you ever
(22:45):
have one that you knew was like did it? Yeah? Yeah,
that's just dad age. Yeah it's interesting too. You know,
we were talking about this as we were watching all this,
like this hero moment for Nathan and Haley and this
boy kind of having to find his integrity, and then
(23:08):
we had this kind of aha moment where we were like,
wait a minute. For years we basically were told that,
like Brooke and Peyton were fighting over weekas and you
guys going back to watch it, the throwers are sitting
here going, oh, I'm sorry, this boy is playing these
two girls. Let's talk about integrity for a moment. But
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I didn't see you at the time, which is also
such a statement about like how we tell stories to girls.
Oh my god, Like he is flirting and being sweet
and cute and opening up his feelings with both of
them in the It's I was. To his credit, he
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is so good at being like the charming listener and
the one that tells you you're special. Those are dangerous boys,
the ones that can say, like, girl, you're so special, right,
and like ten girls. I mean, look, I want to
I want to make room for the fact that he's
a teenage boy. To this character and he you know,
(24:14):
he's also going to be confused and who do I like?
And I like messy this girl and this about that girl,
and I own that's reality. It is complicated, man. I
just realized that again. The narrative always became like what
these girls fighting over this boy, and it's like, actually,
this boy was like fully he was uncle showing up
for both of these needed to pick a lane. When
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I was in high school, so when I was in
high school senior year, my girlfriend, my best friend, and
I were dating these college boys two years older than us,
and it's like the summer before senior year and we're
feeling so cool and the boys were also best friends,
and they got together and decided they wanted to switch.
(25:02):
So my boyfriend pulled her aside, and her boyfriend was like, hey,
can I am, Can I talk to you during my
lunch break at work? And she's like, go go. You
know he's not calling me as often, Go talk to him.
And I was like, yes, of course, I'll go be
your ambassador. And this son of a bitch decided to
be like, I think that we've made a mistake, and
(25:24):
they tried to do a switch a row and so
I totally buy boy teenage boys being just like dumb
and messy. Here's the deal. Don't date the charming boy
date mouth date mouth mouth. Oh my god. The beginning
establishment of Brooke and Mauth friendship. She's so cute and
(25:47):
she is like, I'm always so happy when we see
Brooke being like an actual little baby because and when
she sits down and like they joke about his nickname
and she said, well that was you know my nickname again?
And then she goes because I slept with my mouth open.
It's like so innocent and sweet. She's just a little
(26:12):
tadpole in that scene, just like and seeing our guys
are basketball guys on the court, see and Antoine and Cullen,
that was so cool to it was important to return
that element. It's like they got away from it. We
had like three party episodes in a row. We were
about the rich kids, and it was just like, Okay,
(26:34):
I get it. The element that Vaughan who played Fergie
and um Cullen and Antoine brought to it, Like it's
just so much richer when you have that duality, you know,
then being insulted that Lucas has blown them off, that
(26:56):
was important. Those are big feelings and I don't remember
what happens in the later episodes, but I hope they
really give him help for that because he's not being
a good friend. Yeah. I loved I love the reminder
that that that's where he comes from, that's where he belongs.
Those are his people, you know, and they're the ones
that are always there for him in spite of all
(27:18):
the new things that are happening in his life, like
his cell phone. Cell phone, cell phone. Remember that was
like a shocking thing for someone to have a cell phone.
How old were you guys when you got your first
cell phones. There was like a car phone that my
parents would put in the car, right they had to
(27:41):
like plug into the at like the lighter. But I
didn't get my own personal cell phone until I had
worked at MTV for like a year and a half
two years. I used to have to call into MTV
on pay phones, like in the subway, to be like,
do you guys need me to work this week? Um?
Because yeah, that was the only way I could get
(28:01):
a hold of people. Oh, I love that. My parents
were so paranoid once I got a driver's license. They
were like, you are getting a cell phone and it
will stay turned off in your purse and you will
turn it on if you are ever in a car
accident for emergencies only. Like it was such a thing.
And then, you know, cut to a year later, I'm
(28:22):
like like nine, texting people like one to h the
letters multiple over and over again. Would you that I was?
I think I was seventeen and sixty years seven, probably
seventeen when I moved out and got my apartment. Did
you had a cellphone or not just a landline? Yeah,
(28:44):
because I was while I was riding the bus into
the city to work, like I had my own apartment.
I was going to my senior year of high school
and kid, yeah, I would live alone, total adult, Like yeah,
pack up the house. Got crazy. My story is so crazy,
(29:05):
but yeah, I would take the bus into Manhattan because
I had an apartment in Hackensack, New Jersey. Um, and uh,
you know, my mom got my cell phone and it
was one of those that looked like a you know,
like a double It was like like the Zach Morris
from Saved by the Bell Phone. What it looked like
was this thing, you know, amazing giant recorder. Um, the
(29:30):
Zach Morris yeah, no, listen, my son just watched Zoo
Lander with their like talking on the little teeny tiny phones,
and just like, do you still have those moms? Do
you still have a daddy? Yeah, I've got some boxes
of old phones. Gus Morgan is here for it. Um,
how do we feel about this whole Karen leaving for
(29:54):
Florence so more of we can have a baby situation.
I love it so much. The and times in this
episode Italy Italy, Italy. In fact, I think Chad once
said don't go to the Italy because he said, don't
not go to the Italy because blah blah blah. I
think I think that's what I heard as Fenny, who
definitely do you think played the Italian man on the voicemail?
(30:16):
Because that was not an Italian person, was not an Italian.
That was someone on the crew who wait, maybe it
was Mike Leone. I was going to say it was Leone.
It was because Mike, so for everyone listening, Mike Leone
was our wonderful script supervisor. What a just lovely and
(30:36):
delicious him the best heart, and he was always tasked with,
you know, if there were phone calls or anything in
a scene where the other person obviously wasn't there. He'd
have to read the dialogue on the other end of
the phone. He always played more parts on One Tree
Hill than any other human. He truly did, so I
(30:57):
would love to know if that was his voice. Is
it tell you a man that shift is on the phone.
He did spend a lot of time in Italy. You know,
we obviously had to get MOI were out for a
bit because she was literally about to have a baby.
And I gotta be honest, they did not do a
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good job of hiding. Just didn't care. Like she's standing
there in a two shot with Craig at the airport
and I'm like, that woman is nine months pregnant. You're
not even bothering to shoot above her. Tell me what
are you doing? Guys? As a woman, I'm okay with
this because I have not been let go from jobs
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but kind of scripted out because I've been pregnant. And
it's like boys never like my husband didn't get scripted
out when I got pregnant, you know, And so as
a woman, I love that they were just like, she's pregnant,
what do you want us to do? You know, you're
gonna tell a story here, closures, everybody, just suspend your
(32:01):
imagination for a minute. You'll be fine. Part of me,
I don't know, I think like loving camera work so much.
I'm just like, come on, guys, you could have you
could have started study camp shot over again. But I
will say I love to your point. I love the
fact that they were like, oh, no, will cater to her.
(32:22):
We will allow her to have her version of it
all in this moment, because it is such a strange
thing that that, um, so many women get kind of
pushed aside or treated like they're an inconvenience when they're
having families and and you know there if they have
male partners, they never do. And so part of me
(32:46):
loved that, And then there's a part of me that's like,
wait a second, So we we wrote her out for
a while so she could go like have her baby
in her maternity leave. I sure hope she was paying
or play because she deserved to, you know, have that.
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want th h day. Well, so this this is a
full circle story. So you know, by the time I
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had George, I was real tender about pregnancy because I'd
had so many miscarriages and so the show I was
working on with was Lethal Weapon and they were you know,
they're great. We got a body double for me um
when I was pregnant with her, but then it was
like you can't do stunts, and then traveling back and
forth across the country probably isn't the best idea, So like,
why don't you sit this one out, Burton, Um. But
(34:15):
claim Crawford, who was the lead on that show, was
taking such good care of me and when I worked
with him, we recognize on the very first day we
worked together that we had very similar training in like
how you behave on set, who you talked to, who
you defend who you take care of crew friendly and
I'm looking at him, I'm like, what have you worked on?
(34:38):
Who do we know that's the same And he's like,
you know Jojo, And I was like, you better. But
so Jojo was our hairdresser on One Tree Hill. I
want to know how many young actors went through the
JoJo's school of set adiguet because we realized that we
had the same hairdresser in common and she had groomed
us to you know, beat team players and to get
(35:00):
down and dirty and move your own cast chair and
all that kind of stuff. Um. But as we got
to talking, he's like, you know, I almost did your
show once. I was like, shut up, really, who did
you almost play? And he's like there was this date
rapist that was supposed to attack your character And I'm like,
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what he was supposed to play? Gabe in this episode?
They flew him out to Wilmington's. He had, yes, they
flew him out. He went through all the fittings, he
did all the things, and there was something about either
like hair or a goatee or like a like a
thing that he needed for another job that our show,
(35:42):
our show wanted him to be totally clean shaven, and
I think he had a longside burns or something. They
were so obsessed with hair, and they like he's sitting
there in a hotel room and they're like, all right,
well you're done and they they were like, you have
to make this decision. Either you do what we say
or you're done here. And is not that kind of
guy that's like okay, you know. He was like, all right,
(36:06):
you guys, I don't care, and he went on his
mary way. And so they brought in Mike Irwin to
play Gabe, who I think is a great choice because
he does come off as like, um, not predatory. He's
like he looks safe. It's a surprise when he turns.
You don't expect it from him. And both of the
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boys who played like Peyton's predators on this show, um,
Matt Barr and Mike they were both like lovely behind
the scenes, like so so so sweet and so it's
hard when you see someone that's so lovable, you know,
get vilified. Um, but I love the claim like finally
admitted He's like I was supposed to tackle you, and
(36:48):
I'm really glad I didn't, because like, isn't weird circle.
But I do want to go back to the kiss
between Keith and Karen says yes. Also, they did such
a good job teasing us because when they start talking
and she says, you know, you told me I had
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good instincts, and and he and you think they're going
to talk about admitting their in love with each other,
and then he says, you go first, and she says,
I'm going to Italy. I mean, we all had our
hands over our mouths, like no, no, no, teller. And
so then when it comes back around at the airport,
my card, the payoff is delicious. I can't figure out
(37:30):
if Karen's like working with him, like is she toy
because because he has said I love you and and
so she knows, like I mean, I guess I'm just
trying to figure out is she trying to get him
to say it sober? Like? Is it like because she
keeps leaning in in these conversations, you know, And I'm like, girl,
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you know how he feels. What are you doing? Because
but think about it, Okay, think about it. You're in
a situation but that you've loved for so long in
so many ways, and now you are having romantic feelings
for is piss drunk and tells you that he loves you.
We wake up the next morning, are you you're not
going to bring It's like you're too We're above bringing
(38:14):
it up. I'm not going to not No, I'm not
going to bring that up. Oh hey, bro, remember that
time you tell me I was awesome? True? Now? Ye? So?
And because if if it was just drunk, if he
if he meant it, if it was just because he
was feeling it in the moment, like she deserves more
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than that. She deserves more than a drunken I love you.
And so I think she was coaxing and hoping that
it would, you know, come back out, but not, She's
just she deserves better than having to bring Do you
think she's trying to get him to say, like, don't
go to Italy, like stay here because that I guess
that's the conversation that really threw me because she I
(38:56):
know what she's trying to tease out of him, but
I don't know why. Then when he's like you go first,
She's like, Okay, I'm going to talk to you about
my ambitions. I think she was planning on talking to
him about Italy the whole time. I too, because let's
be honest, as an ambitious woman, what you want is
to say you told me something and it's what I want,
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But I'm not going to put my dream on hold
for it. So I'm gonna go do this thing I've
been dreaming about doing it. Are you going to be
You're waiting for me when I get back. Interesting, that's
what she wants, right is is for him to to
mean it long enough for her to go and and
have this thing for herself as an individual. I think
that's why she kisses him right before she goes, because
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she's like, I'm going to give you something to think
about for the next six weeks. But you too, maybe
laugh so hard. And when we watched it, kids, you're like,
she kisses to go stand in line, like like big
epic kiss, and then turns around and takes like four
steps and then it's like, well, I'll just be over
here through security the camera, you know whatever. They ended
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up because they put the camera on a track so
you could tell that the way they pulled away from
Craig's face that they were trying to create the illusion
of her walking away looking over her shoulder and him
or whatever. So I mean, I think they tried to
fix it, but I just don't understand why they didn't
just remove the extras and just have her Just why
why don't know one fix that? Like did you control that? Yeah,
(40:27):
we controlled that. Why didn't anybody fix it? It's so weird. Yeah,
sometimes but by the way, like goodbyes at airports are that,
it's just like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna put all my
shoes in my like do dads and right now while
you stand right there, Yeah, I'm still here. I'm still
in line. By Okay, I'm still here. Say a thirty
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seven times somebody, you know at the grocery store when
you at the beginning of the trip and then you know,
you pass every ice cream, love that men, chocolate chip,
Sunday bacon, huh where we go? Hey? What I liked
in this episode that um I started to clock in
the last episode is that the interactions between the kids
are starting to take on like a different weight because
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the adults are watching so like the whole thing with
Nathan and Haley outside of the cafe, even though we
don't see them in that scene, it feels like more
because Karen and Keith just gave Haley the like oh,
wink wink inside, like who you mean out there? You know,
Like it just feels like the adults are having fun
(41:33):
watching the kids navigate um. But it also that pressure
I have felt that in real life of like, oh
my good, you know, I have to explain this to
my parents when I get home. It gives what you're
doing a certain air of accountability because you're gonna get
asked about it later. I like that, and it's just
(41:55):
so charming to see them be like, oh, you guys,
Oh you're going on a date like cute? Great with Danson, Awesome.
I couldn't have picked better for you. Great. This was
also a great episode for music, not just the Switchfoot song,
but the song at the end, because there was It
was the first time at least I remember as we've
been watching this really seeing music worked into the edit
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that it was very specifically, you know, the slow mo
that that they did with Peyton and Brooke at the end,
and lucas Um and the big kiss with Nathan and Haley.
It felt very like it was the beginning of really
understanding our tone as a show, being so centered around
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the emotion that is evoked by music. I feel like
we discovered it in this episode. Yeah, music becomes a
character in this episode and remains one through the rest
of the show. It's weird to be how music became
like a much bigger because it wasn't and you know,
the pilot, like, you know, we had cool songs, but
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we all got really involved with MTV right and and
Laguna Beach started airing, and you kind of started to
get this really strong music influence in our genre in particular,
And so you know, Peyton pivoted entirely from being an
artist to all of a sudden being obsessed with music.
(43:24):
You know, Joy went for being tutor girl to being
a musician. You know. So we just we leaned in
so hard to it because we saw how successful it
was and how much the fans they like that way
more than they like my color and books, you know,
play another Oh gosh, and being in the CD store
(43:46):
Tombs and that's that's seen standing in the CD store
likes Sam Goody and Tower Records. Did you guys have
Waxy Maxie in your town? Oh? That was our Yeah,
that was our Virginia thing. We had a Waxy Maxie
that was dope. Yeah, I remember, like flirting with dudes
over the racks of c d s and being like, yeah,
(44:09):
oh yeah, um my biggest bully in high school who
I had such a crush on, Like, he was so
mean to me and I loved him. He owns a
record store back home, and my girlfriends are like, you
can't go, And I'm like, but what if he's nice
to me this time? And they're like, he will never
be nice to you. But it makes total sense that
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he owns a record store. You're like, that's when did it?
He was so brutal. There was the coolest record shop
in Chicago that I used to go into all the
time called Shugar Sugar Records, and the guy who owns
it is so lovely in him and his wife have
rescue dogs, and we became like dog friends. And then
he would save great presses of records that would come
(44:56):
in for me. Those are friends to have, good friends
to have. Man, all right, Um, so we need to
address the deb of it all before we get into
our superlatives, ladies. Deb makes this very grand offer to Karen,
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which we all were like trying to sort out while
we were watching it. You know, I think you know,
we went from being a roofied to this like big, huge, grandiose,
you know, generous thing. So, yeah, we ran the game
at this episode. I don't know, how do you feel
about that? Again? I think it's a bit of a device,
like in the way that Brooke had to be a
(45:38):
monster in episode seven to drive the drama. I think
you know, Moira is leaving because she's having a baby.
So but the cafe is a very central place for
us as a location, and they're like, well, this would
be chronic cool of deb you know, did her her
karmic retribution. Oh my god, it's actually hitting me in
(45:59):
this moment. Brooks whole thing is about fixing her karma,
and deb interestingly is like paying that kind of a
karmic debt with Karen and talks about how she didn't
know about Karen then but she knows now and Karen
had been cheated from so much in life she deserved this. Yeah,
(46:22):
what a beautiful, graceful thing to do. I mean, And
that is so that is so consistent with who we've
come to know and love about Debt, or come to
know her as and love about her that she takes
the high road and um that she leads by example,
and is willing to sacrifice her time and in order
(46:45):
to bridge a gap that has been a huge chasm
in her family and in her community as well. It's
a really incredible, self sacrificial, gracious thing to do. I'm
I'm so impressed by her in this name. And what's
hitting me now is last episode she had the ultimate
(47:05):
clap back with all the you know, rude basketball moms
by putting all the Karen's goods out at the party
and telling them that they all came from Karen's Cafe
and sort of snapping back at that judgment. And now
she's just going to go and do this thing. It
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really is lovely the way they're having this, this unlikely
friendship and the foreshadowing, which I know wasn't planned then,
but it gave me so it put me so squarely
in my feelings, Joy thinking about you and I ending
this series as two women standing in that same window
(47:47):
in that cafe having built a life together, and like
in that moment looking at like I was like, oh
my god, broken, Haley, do that like these unlikely friends.
It's it's so yeah, we got some really special. Yeah,
(48:08):
it's really special. Is there anything in the actual Karen's
cafe space right now do we know? I don't know.
Somebody's gonna find out for us, sleuthy friends, can you
tell us what's what's going on in our what's there?
What's there? We need to know? Let's spend the wheel, girls,
(48:29):
come on, do it most likely to? Oh, there's some
good ones popping up. Hold on. A couple of weeks ago,
it was who was most likely to get lost in
the woods? Yeah, and this one who's most likely to
get lost in their own neighborhood? I mean characters? Let's
(48:55):
think about the character? Yes, I mean yeah, absolutely, that
sweet girl. Um, we need to have Bevin on because
can't wait. Even though she's not like talking in the episodes, yet,
Bevin was there for all, like every party ever. Bevin's there. Yeah,
Bevin's character, I would say, get lost in the woods.
(49:19):
She's pretty shark character character. Yeah. Well it's hard because
they share a name. Yeah, but so, yes, Bevin the character,
not Bevin the person who of our cast would get
lost in their own neighborhood. Why do I want to say?
James a bad sense of direction? He lived in that
(49:40):
neighborhood where like all the houses look the same I
could never make it to James's house. Guys, it might
be me, It might be me. Listen. There was a
night when Jeff and I first started dating where he
was all jazz to get off work early and go
to this restaurant, and I was like, know where it is?
I know where it is. We drove for an hour
(50:03):
and a half and I'm like, I'm like, it's on
Wyoming Street. It's on Wyoming And he got so it
was like the first time he had to not get
frustrated with me. It was our first like lovers, I'm
not frustrated. Yeah yeah, and he he did this day,
still teases me anytime we get lost, He's like, is
(50:24):
it on Wyoming? And like a detail about you? Yeah?
I mean this is when they made iPhones, right, Can
anybody can map anymore? My Thomas Guide is still somewhere.
Oh yeah, I've got that in a box. Yeah. Not
not that that's a shock to anyone. Would you like
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a you won't need a map to find us next week?
We'll be right here. Oh my god, Joy, you just
came in with such a dad joke. That was fabulous.
You can always count on me Dowd jokes. Oh God,
we love you all. I love you girls, and love
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you so we'll see you back for episode nine next week.
With arms outstretched. I wonder what happens on that one.
I guess we'll find out that's not that creed song
isn't No, that's all right. We'll see you all next week.
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will will. Wow. That was strong episode because the episode,
I mean, good God, it's on the one hand, so
ugly and over the top awful, and then it like
boo rings around to this really beautiful, tender sweet place
(00:50):
and it's it's just kind of wild. It makes you
kind of forget it. Well, let's just get into it. Yeah,
let's get into it. Episode eight, The Search for Something More,
aired originally on November eleventh, two thousand three, And oh,
wasn't this a doozy hoping to have fun? Brooke and
Payton attend a college party, but the situation gets bad
(01:12):
when a guy named Gabe drugs Peyton and everything goes
to hell in a handbasket. That wasn't part of the
write up, but it was just how I felt about
the episode. Yeah, sure, Okay, So we started talking about
this the second the episode ended. Um, And so it
was just in the midst of being like, oh my god,
what's sweet, tender, lovely things? But then we remember, oh
(01:33):
there was it started heinous miss stuff at the beginning
of the episode. Terrible. Yeah. I really wish we there
had been more. I wish we had kind of been
able to take a whole episode or at least, you know,
to work out that storyline and all the implications of that,
because it's just it felt a little glossed over. Well yeah,
(01:56):
I mean, if you have never been a soul did
and you're writing an episode about assault, it is really
easy to be like, hey man, nothing happened, You're fine,
wake up the next day and put on your backpack
and go to school. Um. The reality of that, we
all know is blowny um. And so you know, if
(02:18):
this show was made today, they would be definitely like
reporting this because if he's going to roofy Peyton, he's
going to roofy other people. Yeah, I mean he had
a pack. Yeah, it wasn't the first last time. And
then like the realization even if nothing happens, the realization
(02:41):
that something could have gone really really bad? Is enough
two really um really affect you in a very negative way.
It makes you so distrustful. And so you know, even
Peyton being affectionate with Lucas, I don't know that that's
like a natural action, you know. For for me, I'm like,
(03:03):
how about nobody touched me for like a good long time.
There is something that's so deeply traumatic about the realization
as a young woman that you move through the world
and by more people than you thought, are looked at
as prey rather than as a person. And we really
(03:26):
did just gloss over that. The one thing that I
do I think they did well essentially ignoring what happened.
Like the one sort of peek in that I thought
was really interesting was in the time that you know,
Brooke and Lucas are waiting for Peyton to wake up.
(03:47):
They they allowed for just a little smidge of room
for the shame and the self blame that women feel
for stuff like this, And to see Brooke blame herself
felt important because so many women do that. But what
also bothers me is that there was no It's like
(04:07):
they wanted to get just a little close to it.
They didn't want to get into the reality, which is,
what would the shame be that Peyton carried, what would
the fear be, what would the post traumatic stress look like?
They didn't want to deal with any of that. But
I also think about how in two thousand three this
wasn't a conversation a lot of people were having Oh
my god. So it's like, weirdly, it's it's sort of
(04:29):
progressive that we talked about it. And also it feels
like we dropped the ball. I remember senior year beach Week.
We all went down to like if you graduated in Virginia,
you'd go to the beaches in North Carolina for Senior
year Beach Week. And so all our friends went to
like Myrtle Beach in South Carolina and like party beaches
all over the place, and my friends and I ended
(04:52):
up in Corolla, which is like north in North Carolina.
It's like where all the family houses are. It's very square.
And it was because we were like, well, bad things happened,
like we don't want anything bad to happen, And sure enough,
a girl that we were friends with got rufied down
in Myrtle Beach, and so we hear about it through
like the trickle you know, we didn't have cell phones,
(05:14):
but you hear it, you know, the trickle of information.
And my girlfriend went out that night and like hooked
up with some people that we didn't know, and we
stayed we were looking for her all night. I was furious, furious,
and so yeah, for this just to kind of like
get glossed over and it's like, okay, well, onto the
next party. You know how many parties have we done
(05:36):
on the show? Eight episodes in and like there's there's
like bad stuff at every party. Yeah, and the assumption
that just because Peyton has walked into his room and
you know, I was looking at records, that she must
suddenly be interested in hooking up with him. I remember
when I was I remember, and I was living in
New York and I was twenty and hanging out with
(05:59):
a group of friends, guys and girls mixed. And there
was this guy who was older in the group, probably
like and he was a big, tall guy. Um, and
we were walking down the street and I don't know
what I said, something kind of flirty and was like
just being I was just you know, being like I
did with my girlfriends. I mean, I was just being flirty.
(06:21):
Oh my god, my heart is pounding on, like sweating,
even talking about so funny I would like, and I
just remember he grabbed me, he picked me up and
shoved me against a wall and pressed his whole body
up against me, and he said, you better be careful
(06:42):
talking like that, and none of them all, everybody kind
of just like stopped, like and then he like he
just held me for a minute up against the wall,
and then he set me down and then just kind
of like it was, you know, like, oh, I taught
her a lesson. Ha ha. Didn't say that, but that
was the attitude. And and I just kind of like
(07:05):
I remember just having to let let the emotion just
drop off of me because I couldn't process it because
all my friends were there and they all didn't know
what to do, and it was all just so like yeah, yeah,
and then move on, bring up the next topic of
conversation and just keep walking. Um. But that moment has
stuck with me my whole life. That feeling of like
(07:27):
I'm not safe to just be myself because it might
incite violence trigger. It's really scary. I'm so sorry. I mean,
I don't know, I don't know any person. I don't
know any woman that hasn't had but that moment. That's
why I'm saying it because it's so common. We all
(07:48):
have experienced things like that that and guys don't. So
many men don't understand that that's they think, Oh, we're
being naive. It's like, no, we're not. We just don't
think that somebody's gonna look at us that way. And
that's where I think the complexity comes into, is that
it's not us being naive. It's not us quote unquote
(08:08):
putting ourselves in a dangerous situation. What the is a
dangerous situation going to the grocery store, Like, it's really
just us being in the world and you get it's
like getting hit, It's like getting t boned in a car.
You have no idea that someone coming at you is
has run a red light because you are obeying the rules.
(08:28):
Like That's what's frustrating about these kinds of dynamics is, um,
the lack of understanding that it's just what we're met
with for existing well, and also the tone that this
episode sets so, um, we're doing this interview, I had
to do it today, and it will come out, you know,
(08:50):
I don't know it'll come out a little bit after
this episode airs, and they asked her, like, well, what
things tonally did? Did you have a problem within two
thousand three, And like, guys, there's a bunch you know
as we watch, and it was hard to like rattle
it off in the moment. And and this episode is
like blaring because the girls start off going to shop
(09:11):
in a lingerie store and the result is that she's
sexually assaulted, right, and nowhere in there is the conversation like, babe,
you did not ask for this, you know, it is
just assumed. Well, you dressed in chada print like a
slot at a party. You went to a college party,
and this is what happens, you know, and so you
(09:34):
just have a drink. Sleep it off, girl, you know,
don't sleep it off. Report it, you know, like get
checked up on that shame that makes you feel like
this is gonna plague me forever and I'm not going
to be believed. You will feel better having reported it,
whether you're believed or not, you will know that you
(09:54):
have done what you needed to do. Um, yeah, it's gross.
I wish that we've done a better job with that.
We did good stuff with other things in this episode,
but that was like a strong episode overall, but but
you do you see where those sort of glaring holes are.
And this, I think is part of what we've all
talked about in the past, and I'm sure we will
(10:16):
continue to but you know, the lack of upper level
representation in the you know, group of producers or writers
of any women to say, hey, you're missing something about
our experience. You're you're using you're using a stereotype or
a theme rather than telling the truth. And I feel
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really grateful, as I have in other episodes so far
with our show, but that we're able to talk about
this stuff and kind of unpack what worked and what didn't,
because my hope is that people who watched the show
who also went that doesn't feel right can have a
little bit of a of a place to come too
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and and you know, a better answer or or at
least feel acknowledged in in what was probably you know,
for some people uncomfortable to watch because they had had
really similar experience. Well, there's trigger warnings on shows now, right,
Did they go back and put trigger warnings on like
old shows? I don't think so. I didn't see one
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when we started this episode. I guess not because that,
by the way, that was triggering for all of us
to watch. Like I we all watched it through like
our hands, just kind of like, yeah, it wasn't it
wasn't fun. So if that was triggering for you, um,
you know, so many of you guys have trusted us
with your narratives and with the things that have happened
in your personal lives, and so like, aside from the show,
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we hope, girl to girl that you feel like you
have the resources and the support system to deal with it,
because it's it's lingering. It's not a let's go to
school the next day situation. Now it should not feel
like that. Yeah, you should have a space where you
can unpack that. And I do think it's really worth,
you know, highlighting what you said Hill about the importance
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of reporting. I think we've all in our own ways
experienced the reality of um not being listened to and
the way we wanted to when we did report. Yeah,
that it happens to us. But what I will say
is what it enables you to do, maybe you'll have
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the best outcome and hopefully, you know, the me too
movement and so much of the legal progress we're seeing
means that people are better listened to than we were
in the experiences each of us is thinking about right now.
That's making our chests feel tight. But the thing you
can hold onto even if you don't get the outcome
you deserve, is when you have spoken your truth. When
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you have told people what happened. Everybody knows and they
either know they showed up for you or they know
they failed you. And I genuinely believe that that is
part of the larger reckoning that's happening in society that's
going to make systems and procedures change overall. People have
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to know how prevalent this stuff is, and so you know,
take your time, do it in your own way. Make
sure you're protecting yourself and your energy, and that you
feel safe and that you feel held. But if any
if anybody who's with us today is questioning whether or
not they should open up about something or seek recourse,
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I hope you feel empowered to do so because you've
deserve it. Yeah, I agree, all right, So that's yeah,
because there's really lovely stuff in here. Yeah, Well, one
of them is Brooke really redeems herself in this episode.
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Not only a one eight, it's like a it's like
an eleven eighty, you know what I mean. It is
just pirouettes of difference from the last episode, even the
way we wake up together and I'm like, oh, but
you and Luca's we're having a time. It's like they did.
I feel like they did that to Brook a lot,
where they were like, we really need someone to do
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some inappropriate next episode, just pretend it didn't happen. And
I was like, this is okay, all right. I love
that she shows up at Nathan's house in that corduad
blazer and buttoned up and she's like, I'm really trying
to change my karma. Yeah, so that was so sweet.
I'm just trying to appease the gods. I love that
you were like, she's pagan, but I did. I loved
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that the also sort of the permission to, you know,
own up to your failures and try to make it better. Yeah.
I loved her sending you guys on a scavenger hunt.
I forgot that I was the one that did that.
That was a cute, super cute. It was a cute.
What they called it, They called it a serial date?
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Is that is that a real term? Wouldn't it be
a progressive date. I thought it was a serial date,
a real thing, because it sounds dangerous serious. It really
made me think of a serial killer, which is like
not the point of the romantic lift in the episode. No,
I'm getting like excel charts, you know, like I'm not
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seeing anything. Is that an old timey word? It's old timey,
That's what it is. That must be what do the
kids call those dates? Now? Kids don't date now, they
just text each other. Yeah, they like snapchat. That was
so fun. I don't you know, I remember, I remember
filming some of that, the night walks and stuff. But again,
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it's hard. So much of this stuff blurs together for
me because we've spent so many nights outside on the streets, um,
you know, filming stuff. So um yeah. But I I
loved watching it. I loved watching Nathan and Haley really
find each other for the first time, in Haley standing
up for herself and being like, I'm not putting up
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with this ship. I was saying when we were watching it,
I would not have had that confidence, especially when when
um Tim and the basketball players come to the table
and Nathan totally denies that they're on a date. And
I would have I would have just been like, oh, yeah,
it's fine. Whatever imploded, Yeah, exactly, it's fallen inward with shame. Yeah,
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but you have to act cool on the surface. Then
I would have gone home and cried and felt awful.
And but the fact that Haley was just like yeah, no,
you know what for a girl that like, like, what
do we think Haley's background is in dating? You know,
like for a girl is not practiced in dating for
her to come out of the gates, so like, oh no, no, no.
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Of the basketball team, right, He's like he's like the
guy just drop my pen. That's how much she meant it.
She's like he's like the big, superstar stud on campus
and she is like feels awkward and feels like, you know,
is he really going out with me? And this is crazy?
But she's not willing to sacrifice her integrity and her
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what she believes about herself and her confidence for this guy.
So so Baller just love her. Yeah, She's She's really
fantastic this episode. When you're watching it, Joy, do you
feel like you're watching yourself or do you feel like
you're watching a different person. I don't feel like I'm
watching myself. I know that it's me um, and I've
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sometimes there's a little like electrical current that goes between
me and the screen, and I'm like, oh, I feel
I remember that I was feeling awkward or well, you know,
and I have a little muscle memory, but overall, I
don't have a lot of actual memories of being behind
the scenes. And there's a lot of stuff I watched
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them like, I have no recollection of being in that location,
and I don't know saying those words and all these lamps.
I just would have said something if I recognize the lamp. Um. Yeah, No,
it feels like somebody else. But I recognize the emotions
of all the things I was feeling as a person
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back then. This is kind of a long winded answer, sorry,
but I didn't think it's insecure back then, and really
like awkward. So I think I feel it's still in
my way. So if do you feel like you're watching
yourself or like a different animal, No, I really don't.
It feels so strange. What's really interesting is I can
see in episodes seven and eight, I can see my
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terror and fear about I've never really done this before.
Four I've gotten done on episode or a scene. I
can see that relaxing. I don't feel like I'm pushing
as hard to like be good at being brooked. But
I also like, I just it's so odd because I, yeah,
I remember how strange and insecure I felt, and also
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how weird it was to feel that way inside of
playing the captain of the cheerleading squad, who's this super
overtly ballsy girl. You know, we had some really big
kisses in this episode, like monumental, game changing kisses, and
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that is the stuff When people are like, how do
you weigh the good stuff and the bad stuff, I'm like, listen,
we're putting the bad stuff out there because we deserve that, um.
But that's what helps people to know for the future.
You know, we're transparent and honest. It's healing, it's informative
for others. It's great. But it's fun to watch these
episodes where we get to celebrate the big good stuff
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and the Nathan and Haley just like epic kiss in
your front yard? Can you tell us about that day?
Did you know that it was going to be a
big deal that day when you were filming it. I
knew it felt like a big deal. Within that storyline. Uh,
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I knew. It was like a moment that we had
kind of all been waiting for. I I don't, no,
I didn't. I mean I did certainly didn't know they
were going to put that switch Foot song with it,
which was that was A Walk to Remember had just
come out too, I think the time. So there was
that other that switch Foot song. I don't know if
it was in that, if that same song was in
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um A Walk to Remember, or if it was a
different one of their songs, but they were a huge
band at the time, and so to get that song
put at that moment, it was such a big deal. Um,
such a big deal and and uh I was kind
of nervous and um because I hadn't had a lot
of on screen kisses. Um what I've seen the beautiful
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video that was cut together on Twitter Joy. It's my
favorite thing ever when fans that was just with him,
though I hadn't had a lot except other with with
Paul Anthony Stewart, my co star on Guiding Light. You
were so sexy in all of those bakeout scenes that
you did with that other dude. And I remember watched
it like how old were we wouldn't that happen? But
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what's kind of great? It is like your kiss with
Nathan is so different from Peyton's interaction with him, which
is so fun to watch as a viewer, like, oh,
there he is, you know you bring out the hymn.
It was the It was a great way for him
to redeem himself after at you know, awful moment at
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the table. They had this really sweet night and his
his you know bad the bad part of his character
kicked in and he betrayed her and denied that they
were on a date and and she left And I
love that it. That was a really vulnerable move for him.
It wasn't like I'm just gonna like I'm a big
tough guys like. It wasn't an ego move like I'll
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kiss her and then I'll win her over. It was
like a genuine what else could I possibly do? How
can I let this girl know how much I like her?
And he just went for it. Um, big big deal.
We all cheered. It was such a great feeling as
I have such a crush on Nathan and Haley. It's
just really fun to watch. Did you have a kiss
in real life like that? You guys did you ever
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have one that you knew was like did it? Yeah? Yeah,
that's just dad age. Yeah it's interesting too. You know,
we were talking about this as we were watching all this,
like this hero moment for Nathan and Haley and this
boy kind of having to find his integrity, and then
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we had this kind of aha moment where we were like,
wait a minute. For years we basically were told that,
like Brooke and Peyton were fighting over weekas and you
guys going back to watch it, the throwers are sitting
here going, oh, I'm sorry, this boy is playing these
two girls. Let's talk about integrity for a moment. But
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I didn't see you at the time, which is also
such a statement about like how we tell stories to girls.
Oh my god, Like he is flirting and being sweet
and cute and opening up his feelings with both of
them in the It's I was. To his credit, he
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is so good at being like the charming listener and
the one that tells you you're special. Those are dangerous boys,
the ones that can say, like, girl, you're so special, right,
and like ten girls. I mean, look, I want to
I want to make room for the fact that he's
a teenage boy. To this character and he you know,
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he's also going to be confused and who do I like?
And I like messy this girl and this about that girl,
and I own that's reality. It is complicated, man. I
just realized that again. The narrative always became like what
these girls fighting over this boy, and it's like, actually,
this boy was like fully he was uncle showing up
for both of these needed to pick a lane. When
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I was in high school, so when I was in
high school senior year, my girlfriend, my best friend, and
I were dating these college boys two years older than us,
and it's like the summer before senior year and we're
feeling so cool and the boys were also best friends,
and they got together and decided they wanted to switch.
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So my boyfriend pulled her aside, and her boyfriend was like, hey,
can I am, Can I talk to you during my
lunch break at work? And she's like, go go. You
know he's not calling me as often, Go talk to him.
And I was like, yes, of course, I'll go be
your ambassador. And this son of a bitch decided to
be like, I think that we've made a mistake, and
(25:24):
they tried to do a switch a row and so
I totally buy boy teenage boys being just like dumb
and messy. Here's the deal. Don't date the charming boy
date mouth date mouth mouth. Oh my god. The beginning
establishment of Brooke and Mauth friendship. She's so cute and
(25:47):
she is like, I'm always so happy when we see
Brooke being like an actual little baby because and when
she sits down and like they joke about his nickname
and she said, well that was you know my nickname again?
And then she goes because I slept with my mouth open.
It's like so innocent and sweet. She's just a little
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tadpole in that scene, just like and seeing our guys
are basketball guys on the court, see and Antoine and Cullen,
that was so cool to it was important to return
that element. It's like they got away from it. We
had like three party episodes in a row. We were
about the rich kids, and it was just like, Okay,
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I get it. The element that Vaughan who played Fergie
and um Cullen and Antoine brought to it, Like it's
just so much richer when you have that duality, you know,
then being insulted that Lucas has blown them off, that
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was important. Those are big feelings and I don't remember
what happens in the later episodes, but I hope they
really give him help for that because he's not being
a good friend. Yeah. I loved I love the reminder
that that that's where he comes from, that's where he belongs.
Those are his people, you know, and they're the ones
that are always there for him in spite of all
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the new things that are happening in his life, like
his cell phone. Cell phone, cell phone. Remember that was
like a shocking thing for someone to have a cell phone.
How old were you guys when you got your first
cell phones. There was like a car phone that my
parents would put in the car, right they had to
(27:41):
like plug into the at like the lighter. But I
didn't get my own personal cell phone until I had
worked at MTV for like a year and a half
two years. I used to have to call into MTV
on pay phones, like in the subway, to be like,
do you guys need me to work this week? Um?
Because yeah, that was the only way I could get
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a hold of people. Oh, I love that. My parents
were so paranoid once I got a driver's license. They
were like, you are getting a cell phone and it
will stay turned off in your purse and you will
turn it on if you are ever in a car
accident for emergencies only. Like it was such a thing.
And then, you know, cut to a year later, I'm
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like like nine, texting people like one to h the
letters multiple over and over again. Would you that I was?
I think I was seventeen and sixty years seven, probably
seventeen when I moved out and got my apartment. Did
you had a cellphone or not just a landline? Yeah,
(28:44):
because I was while I was riding the bus into
the city to work, like I had my own apartment.
I was going to my senior year of high school
and kid, yeah, I would live alone, total adult, Like yeah,
pack up the house. Got crazy. My story is so crazy,
(29:05):
but yeah, I would take the bus into Manhattan because
I had an apartment in Hackensack, New Jersey. Um, and uh,
you know, my mom got my cell phone and it
was one of those that looked like a you know,
like a double It was like like the Zach Morris
from Saved by the Bell Phone. What it looked like
was this thing, you know, amazing giant recorder. Um, the
(29:30):
Zach Morris yeah, no, listen, my son just watched Zoo
Lander with their like talking on the little teeny tiny phones,
and just like, do you still have those moms? Do
you still have a daddy? Yeah, I've got some boxes
of old phones. Gus Morgan is here for it. Um,
how do we feel about this whole Karen leaving for
(29:54):
Florence so more of we can have a baby situation.
I love it so much. The and times in this
episode Italy Italy, Italy. In fact, I think Chad once
said don't go to the Italy because he said, don't
not go to the Italy because blah blah blah. I
think I think that's what I heard as Fenny, who
definitely do you think played the Italian man on the voicemail?
(30:16):
Because that was not an Italian person, was not an Italian.
That was someone on the crew who wait, maybe it
was Mike Leone. I was going to say it was Leone.
It was because Mike, so for everyone listening, Mike Leone
was our wonderful script supervisor. What a just lovely and
(30:36):
delicious him the best heart, and he was always tasked with,
you know, if there were phone calls or anything in
a scene where the other person obviously wasn't there. He'd
have to read the dialogue on the other end of
the phone. He always played more parts on One Tree
Hill than any other human. He truly did, so I
(30:57):
would love to know if that was his voice. Is
it tell you a man that shift is on the phone.
He did spend a lot of time in Italy. You know,
we obviously had to get MOI were out for a
bit because she was literally about to have a baby.
And I gotta be honest, they did not do a
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good job of hiding. Just didn't care. Like she's standing
there in a two shot with Craig at the airport
and I'm like, that woman is nine months pregnant. You're
not even bothering to shoot above her. Tell me what
are you doing? Guys? As a woman, I'm okay with
this because I have not been let go from jobs
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but kind of scripted out because I've been pregnant. And
it's like boys never like my husband didn't get scripted
out when I got pregnant, you know, And so as
a woman, I love that they were just like, she's pregnant,
what do you want us to do? You know, you're
gonna tell a story here, closures, everybody, just suspend your
(32:01):
imagination for a minute. You'll be fine. Part of me,
I don't know, I think like loving camera work so much.
I'm just like, come on, guys, you could have you
could have started study camp shot over again. But I
will say I love to your point. I love the
fact that they were like, oh, no, will cater to her.
(32:22):
We will allow her to have her version of it
all in this moment, because it is such a strange
thing that that, um, so many women get kind of
pushed aside or treated like they're an inconvenience when they're
having families and and you know there if they have
male partners, they never do. And so part of me
(32:46):
loved that, And then there's a part of me that's like,
wait a second, So we we wrote her out for
a while so she could go like have her baby
in her maternity leave. I sure hope she was paying
or play because she deserved to, you know, have that.
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want th h day. Well, so this this is a
full circle story. So you know, by the time I
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had George, I was real tender about pregnancy because I'd
had so many miscarriages and so the show I was
working on with was Lethal Weapon and they were you know,
they're great. We got a body double for me um
when I was pregnant with her, but then it was
like you can't do stunts, and then traveling back and
forth across the country probably isn't the best idea, So like,
why don't you sit this one out, Burton, Um. But
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claim Crawford, who was the lead on that show, was
taking such good care of me and when I worked
with him, we recognize on the very first day we
worked together that we had very similar training in like
how you behave on set, who you talked to, who
you defend who you take care of crew friendly and
I'm looking at him, I'm like, what have you worked on?
(34:38):
Who do we know that's the same And he's like,
you know Jojo, And I was like, you better. But
so Jojo was our hairdresser on One Tree Hill. I
want to know how many young actors went through the
JoJo's school of set adiguet because we realized that we
had the same hairdresser in common and she had groomed
us to you know, beat team players and to get
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down and dirty and move your own cast chair and
all that kind of stuff. Um. But as we got
to talking, he's like, you know, I almost did your
show once. I was like, shut up, really, who did
you almost play? And he's like there was this date
rapist that was supposed to attack your character And I'm like,
(35:20):
what he was supposed to play? Gabe in this episode?
They flew him out to Wilmington's. He had, yes, they
flew him out. He went through all the fittings, he
did all the things, and there was something about either
like hair or a goatee or like a like a
thing that he needed for another job that our show,
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our show wanted him to be totally clean shaven, and
I think he had a longside burns or something. They
were so obsessed with hair, and they like he's sitting
there in a hotel room and they're like, all right,
well you're done and they they were like, you have
to make this decision. Either you do what we say
or you're done here. And is not that kind of
guy that's like okay, you know. He was like, all right,
(36:06):
you guys, I don't care, and he went on his
mary way. And so they brought in Mike Irwin to
play Gabe, who I think is a great choice because
he does come off as like, um, not predatory. He's
like he looks safe. It's a surprise when he turns.
You don't expect it from him. And both of the
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boys who played like Peyton's predators on this show, um,
Matt Barr and Mike they were both like lovely behind
the scenes, like so so so sweet and so it's
hard when you see someone that's so lovable, you know,
get vilified. Um, but I love the claim like finally
admitted He's like I was supposed to tackle you, and
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I'm really glad I didn't, because like, isn't weird circle.
But I do want to go back to the kiss
between Keith and Karen says yes. Also, they did such
a good job teasing us because when they start talking
and she says, you know, you told me I had
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good instincts, and and he and you think they're going
to talk about admitting their in love with each other,
and then he says, you go first, and she says,
I'm going to Italy. I mean, we all had our
hands over our mouths, like no, no, no, teller. And
so then when it comes back around at the airport,
my card, the payoff is delicious. I can't figure out
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if Karen's like working with him, like is she toy
because because he has said I love you and and
so she knows, like I mean, I guess I'm just
trying to figure out is she trying to get him
to say it sober? Like? Is it like because she
keeps leaning in in these conversations, you know, And I'm like, girl,
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you know how he feels. What are you doing? Because
but think about it, Okay, think about it. You're in
a situation but that you've loved for so long in
so many ways, and now you are having romantic feelings
for is piss drunk and tells you that he loves you.
We wake up the next morning, are you you're not
going to bring It's like you're too We're above bringing
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it up. I'm not going to not No, I'm not
going to bring that up. Oh hey, bro, remember that
time you tell me I was awesome? True? Now? Ye? So?
And because if if it was just drunk, if he
if he meant it, if it was just because he
was feeling it in the moment, like she deserves more
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than that. She deserves more than a drunken I love you.
And so I think she was coaxing and hoping that
it would, you know, come back out, but not, She's
just she deserves better than having to bring Do you
think she's trying to get him to say, like, don't
go to Italy, like stay here because that I guess
that's the conversation that really threw me because she I
(38:56):
know what she's trying to tease out of him, but
I don't know why. Then when he's like you go first,
She's like, Okay, I'm going to talk to you about
my ambitions. I think she was planning on talking to
him about Italy the whole time. I too, because let's
be honest, as an ambitious woman, what you want is
to say you told me something and it's what I want,
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But I'm not going to put my dream on hold
for it. So I'm gonna go do this thing I've
been dreaming about doing it. Are you going to be
You're waiting for me when I get back. Interesting, that's
what she wants, right is is for him to to
mean it long enough for her to go and and
have this thing for herself as an individual. I think
that's why she kisses him right before she goes, because
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she's like, I'm going to give you something to think
about for the next six weeks. But you too, maybe
laugh so hard. And when we watched it, kids, you're like,
she kisses to go stand in line, like like big
epic kiss, and then turns around and takes like four
steps and then it's like, well, I'll just be over
here through security the camera, you know whatever. They ended
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up because they put the camera on a track so
you could tell that the way they pulled away from
Craig's face that they were trying to create the illusion
of her walking away looking over her shoulder and him
or whatever. So I mean, I think they tried to
fix it, but I just don't understand why they didn't
just remove the extras and just have her Just why
why don't know one fix that? Like did you control that? Yeah,
(40:27):
we controlled that. Why didn't anybody fix it? It's so weird. Yeah,
sometimes but by the way, like goodbyes at airports are that,
it's just like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna put all my
shoes in my like do dads and right now while
you stand right there, Yeah, I'm still here. I'm still
in line. By Okay, I'm still here. Say a thirty
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seven times somebody, you know at the grocery store when
you at the beginning of the trip and then you know,
you pass every ice cream, love that men, chocolate chip,
Sunday bacon, huh where we go? Hey? What I liked
in this episode that um I started to clock in
the last episode is that the interactions between the kids
are starting to take on like a different weight because
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the adults are watching so like the whole thing with
Nathan and Haley outside of the cafe, even though we
don't see them in that scene, it feels like more
because Karen and Keith just gave Haley the like oh,
wink wink inside, like who you mean out there? You know,
Like it just feels like the adults are having fun
(41:33):
watching the kids navigate um. But it also that pressure
I have felt that in real life of like, oh
my good, you know, I have to explain this to
my parents when I get home. It gives what you're
doing a certain air of accountability because you're gonna get
asked about it later. I like that, and it's just
(41:55):
so charming to see them be like, oh, you guys,
Oh you're going on a date like cute? Great with Danson, Awesome.
I couldn't have picked better for you. Great. This was
also a great episode for music, not just the Switchfoot song,
but the song at the end, because there was It
was the first time at least I remember as we've
been watching this really seeing music worked into the edit
(42:18):
that it was very specifically, you know, the slow mo
that that they did with Peyton and Brooke at the end,
and lucas Um and the big kiss with Nathan and Haley.
It felt very like it was the beginning of really
understanding our tone as a show, being so centered around
(42:39):
the emotion that is evoked by music. I feel like
we discovered it in this episode. Yeah, music becomes a
character in this episode and remains one through the rest
of the show. It's weird to be how music became
like a much bigger because it wasn't and you know,
the pilot, like, you know, we had cool songs, but
(43:03):
we all got really involved with MTV right and and
Laguna Beach started airing, and you kind of started to
get this really strong music influence in our genre in particular,
And so you know, Peyton pivoted entirely from being an
artist to all of a sudden being obsessed with music.
(43:24):
You know, Joy went for being tutor girl to being
a musician. You know. So we just we leaned in
so hard to it because we saw how successful it
was and how much the fans they like that way
more than they like my color and books, you know,
play another Oh gosh, and being in the CD store
(43:46):
Tombs and that's that's seen standing in the CD store
likes Sam Goody and Tower Records. Did you guys have
Waxy Maxie in your town? Oh? That was our Yeah,
that was our Virginia thing. We had a Waxy Maxie
that was dope. Yeah, I remember, like flirting with dudes
over the racks of c d s and being like, yeah,
(44:09):
oh yeah, um my biggest bully in high school who
I had such a crush on, Like, he was so
mean to me and I loved him. He owns a
record store back home, and my girlfriends are like, you
can't go, And I'm like, but what if he's nice
to me this time? And they're like, he will never
be nice to you. But it makes total sense that
(44:33):
he owns a record store. You're like, that's when did it?
He was so brutal. There was the coolest record shop
in Chicago that I used to go into all the
time called Shugar Sugar Records, and the guy who owns
it is so lovely in him and his wife have
rescue dogs, and we became like dog friends. And then
he would save great presses of records that would come
(44:56):
in for me. Those are friends to have, good friends
to have. Man, all right, Um, so we need to
address the deb of it all before we get into
our superlatives, ladies. Deb makes this very grand offer to Karen,
(45:17):
which we all were like trying to sort out while
we were watching it. You know, I think you know,
we went from being a roofied to this like big, huge, grandiose,
you know, generous thing. So, yeah, we ran the game
at this episode. I don't know, how do you feel
about that? Again? I think it's a bit of a device,
like in the way that Brooke had to be a
(45:38):
monster in episode seven to drive the drama. I think
you know, Moira is leaving because she's having a baby.
So but the cafe is a very central place for
us as a location, and they're like, well, this would
be chronic cool of deb you know, did her her
karmic retribution. Oh my god, it's actually hitting me in
(45:59):
this moment. Brooks whole thing is about fixing her karma,
and deb interestingly is like paying that kind of a
karmic debt with Karen and talks about how she didn't
know about Karen then but she knows now and Karen
had been cheated from so much in life she deserved this. Yeah,
(46:22):
what a beautiful, graceful thing to do. I mean, And
that is so that is so consistent with who we've
come to know and love about Debt, or come to
know her as and love about her that she takes
the high road and um that she leads by example,
and is willing to sacrifice her time and in order
(46:45):
to bridge a gap that has been a huge chasm
in her family and in her community as well. It's
a really incredible, self sacrificial, gracious thing to do. I'm
I'm so impressed by her in this name. And what's
hitting me now is last episode she had the ultimate
(47:05):
clap back with all the you know, rude basketball moms
by putting all the Karen's goods out at the party
and telling them that they all came from Karen's Cafe
and sort of snapping back at that judgment. And now
she's just going to go and do this thing. It
(47:26):
really is lovely the way they're having this, this unlikely
friendship and the foreshadowing, which I know wasn't planned then,
but it gave me so it put me so squarely
in my feelings, Joy thinking about you and I ending
this series as two women standing in that same window
(47:47):
in that cafe having built a life together, and like
in that moment looking at like I was like, oh
my god, broken, Haley, do that like these unlikely friends.
It's it's so yeah, we got some really special. Yeah,
(48:08):
it's really special. Is there anything in the actual Karen's
cafe space right now do we know? I don't know.
Somebody's gonna find out for us, sleuthy friends, can you
tell us what's what's going on in our what's there?
What's there? We need to know? Let's spend the wheel, girls,
(48:29):
come on, do it most likely to? Oh, there's some
good ones popping up. Hold on. A couple of weeks ago,
it was who was most likely to get lost in
the woods? Yeah, and this one who's most likely to
get lost in their own neighborhood? I mean characters? Let's
(48:55):
think about the character? Yes, I mean yeah, absolutely, that
sweet girl. Um, we need to have Bevin on because
can't wait. Even though she's not like talking in the episodes, yet,
Bevin was there for all, like every party ever. Bevin's there. Yeah,
Bevin's character, I would say, get lost in the woods.
(49:19):
She's pretty shark character character. Yeah. Well it's hard because
they share a name. Yeah, but so, yes, Bevin the character,
not Bevin the person who of our cast would get
lost in their own neighborhood. Why do I want to say?
James a bad sense of direction? He lived in that
(49:40):
neighborhood where like all the houses look the same I
could never make it to James's house. Guys, it might
be me, It might be me. Listen. There was a
night when Jeff and I first started dating where he
was all jazz to get off work early and go
to this restaurant, and I was like, know where it is?
I know where it is. We drove for an hour
(50:03):
and a half and I'm like, I'm like, it's on
Wyoming Street. It's on Wyoming And he got so it
was like the first time he had to not get
frustrated with me. It was our first like lovers, I'm
not frustrated. Yeah yeah, and he he did this day,
still teases me anytime we get lost, He's like, is
(50:24):
it on Wyoming? And like a detail about you? Yeah?
I mean this is when they made iPhones, right, Can
anybody can map anymore? My Thomas Guide is still somewhere.
Oh yeah, I've got that in a box. Yeah. Not
not that that's a shock to anyone. Would you like
(50:45):
a you won't need a map to find us next week?
We'll be right here. Oh my god, Joy, you just
came in with such a dad joke. That was fabulous.
You can always count on me Dowd jokes. Oh God,
we love you all. I love you girls, and love
(51:07):
you so we'll see you back for episode nine next week.
With arms outstretched. I wonder what happens on that one.
I guess we'll find out that's not that creed song
isn't No, that's all right. We'll see you all next week.
(51:29):
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