August 21, 2023 • 53 mins
The girls get incredibly personal as they open up about parenthood, shame and adoption as well as what lessons should have been an easy takeaway from this episode. Find out how they were inspired to live their lives differently. All of the ups and downs from this episode and beyond are revisited…for better and for worse.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,
all about them.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And
our comic girl cheering for the right teams.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Drama Queens Girl Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you
could sit with us.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queise Drama, Queens Drama, drahn the
Queens Drama, Queens.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Hey, guys, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Look.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Weddings are expensive, and we had one in the last episode,
so this was definitely like a paired down episode. It
was a yeah, it's a quiet, little, easy breezy episode. Huh.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Was I bored or because we have less of an
attention span now because the you know what's put out now,
the content that's out is always so fast paced to
keep up with everybody's short attention span? Or was it
just a boring episode.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
All saying things that we've already said ten million times.
I like when we do just two on two scenes
because it's theater fun. And I thought there were some
great nuggets in this.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
There were. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I like the device of how the montages. It sort
of felt like we were doing these merry ground scenes.
I liked that one scene would bleed right into the next,
and everyone was sort of confronting these ideas of what
you want and who have you been and where do
you think you're going? All these sort of beautiful themes.
Love that, but it did feel slow and clunky. And Hillary,
(01:42):
you did a great service to our show and to
Peyton Sawyer doing what you did in this episode. You
are a good person and an even better actor.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Right right, Well, here's the thing. I'm a lot older
right now, bit as petty as I was in my
early twenties, and I just it's hard to look back
at yourself and be like, hey, kid, you were juggling
a lot in this situation, and uh and you said
(02:12):
your lines and you hit your marks. Good job. You know.
We'd seen some fan comments before we watch this where
they were like, oh god, they're gonna hate this one.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Thank god they've warned us.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Oh god, yeah, I know. If anybody hasn't seen this episode,
let's tell them what it was?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
What was it?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Season five, episode thirteen. What do we got?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Echoes? Silence, patience, and grace because apparently so many echoes
and apparently grace is all we talk about on the show. Anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh god, it's a.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Lot of regurgitated dialogue. Yeah, give them this synopsis, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Lucas picks up the pieces after being left at the
altar by Lindsay, Nathan and Hayley deal with the repercussions
of Jamie's abduction. Brooke is haunted by her past as
she considers adopting, and Peyton is visited by an old friend.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Wait as the get Bork is haunted by her past.
She's twenty two.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right, yeah, her high school pass. There's yeah, so much
to say.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
How do we break this one down? Because it was
a merry go round and and I'll say I like
the merry go Round device, Yeah for a lot an act,
maybe two acts, but I kept waiting for us to
get off the ride and like actually get into what
was going on.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It was so introspective.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
A couple of loops would have been good. And by
act three I was like, well, no, I just have
motion sickness. We're just we're still doing this, We're still
spinning around. Okay, very are you know?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
We could perform this as a stage show on one
of those like rotating stages like Ley miss using.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Like Hamilton, do you walk in one direction and the
stage skins.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Everybody's picking up the last line of the last person
seeing the first line and the next scene.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, I was very carefully crafted. It definitely felt to
me it felt overwritten, and it felt like kind of
it kind of felt masturbatory, like you just like the
writer just sitting there, just here's all my pros and
let me just find all the ways to say things that.
It was just very like, all right, already, can we
(04:22):
like we get it?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I thought we all looked good though we looked good.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We did. Yeah, I mean my haircut was a crime,
but I will be clear. We copied Victoria Beckham's bob
that year. So it was a moment in fashion history. Yes,
it just has aged so poorly. And y'all I have
such a big skull, like I'm not meant to have
(04:48):
short tight hair like that.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I'm just not tight air.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
It's not good.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I like that little suit vest get up that you
wore when you picked Jamie up. I was like, she's professional.
What doesn't this woman seeing her?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I've just dressed up in a soup for my interview
that my mother tanked.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
This whole thing was so bizarre to me, I mean,
let's just start talking about that part, because Okay, I
I don't know, I haven't got I actually have looked
into adoption at times in my life, and I haven't
gotten that far into the process where I'm sitting down
one on one with somebody, But I am The one
thing that seems to be the real barrier for most
(05:25):
families with adoption is money. And I get that it
was fifty thirteen years ago. I don't ask me to
do math, but I get it was a while ago.
But I don't know. There's just so many kids out
there that need homes. I really have a hard time
believing that anyone would judge someone's pick apart someone's.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
High school history, school, high school boyfriends is my favorite question.
It's so absurd.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's so absurd, And to look at this incredibly successful,
driven woman and then decide to not recommend her to
have a child simply because she's questioning the motive, Like
there's no history in Brook's life that would say that, oh,
she just has a whim and then walks away from it.
That's not who Brooke is at all. Like she started
a company and was followed through with it. Her friendships
(06:16):
she stayed and followed through in spite of difficulties. I mean,
there's just so much I don't know. I didn't buy it.
I didn't buy it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I didn't buy it either. The pettiness of that woman
being like, didn't you date that boy and didn't your
friend maybe your heart broken over his failed wedding too,
and you decided you need a baby? Like what it was?
So like mustache Spinny, there.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Would have been some action in this episode at least
if you had just flat out bust it out, laughing
at her, just.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Like I'm so sorry, what's happening? Is this happening?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Like insanity.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I learned a lot about adoption from Willie Garson because
he adopted his son right at the same time that
I gave birth to Gus, and when we met, we
were like, you know, new parents together. And he adopted
his son when Nathan was like seven eight years old,
so he was an older kid but still very young,
(07:16):
and Willie before he met anybody. You have to do
a series of classes, yeah, right, And there's you know,
night classes you have to take and social workers teach
you how to do stuff, and it's a pretty extensive
process you go through before you get to this phase
of like, I don't know, you shoplifted in high school.
(07:36):
I don't think you're ready for this because they are
trying to judge you by who you are now, you know,
and like how stable you are and do you show
up every week and all of that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Who did you turn into in spite of having parents
that were a complete disaster.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, it would have been great to see Brooke do
that kind of training and really, you know, really get
into what that exploratory process is as opposed to this,
I don't know what are they do things interview people
should bring a clipboard, you know, they're just definitely guessing
here well.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And one of the things that drives me insane about
all of this as well is like people when I
think about my friends, you know, who've adopted, and like
two of my best friends adopted both of their kids
through the foster care system. What they have gone through
as dad's the way they have advocated for their children,
like what it takes to go out and give a
(08:31):
home to a child, the amount of work, Like even
the fact that we didn't address like Brooke could have
gone and gotten a donor, she could have gone out
with the explicit desire to like get pregnant and be
a mom. You know, she has sat here and said,
(08:51):
I want to adopt. I want to give a home
to a kid who doesn't have the life they deserve,
who has been given up for what ever circumstance, and
provide a child with a better life than I have, Like,
you know, as a single woman, to make that choice
is such a signal of like effort and seriousness. To me,
(09:12):
It's like, you know, when we see these lunatics in
some of the states in our nation trying to stop
gay parents from adopting, I'm like, no kid has ever
been more wanted or advocated for, like stop enough, you know.
Any So many people go out and like who get
pregnant and whoopsie accident, like and it bothers me that
(09:34):
that we leaned into like shaming this woman, but we
didn't talk at all about what it means to make
that decision, the effort you're willing to make, the advocacy
of that to your point about really adopting becomes a
part of your life, Like you have to jo life. Yeah,
(09:55):
you have to jump through hoops to adopt a child
that you simply don't if you, you know, go out.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And if you get knocked up. Yeahah, And I like,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I don't mean to judge anybody, like look by the way,
like I have so many friends who struggled through fertility,
Like becoming a parent is hard for a lot of
people a lot of the time. Yeah, but there's also
you know what Brooke says, like nobody made my mom
get interviewed, nobody made her take a class like should have,
and it it feels like such a missed opportunity here,
(10:27):
And I don't know, like having so many friends who've
been through it, and you know who in our country
and countries around the world, like Italy with that fascist
woman who's taking lesbian moms off their birth certificates of
their children. Like I'm so angry about the way like
modern families and adoptive parents get treated. And I forgot
(10:48):
that Brooke got shamed in this episode by the adoption woman.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I'm just like, oh my lord, She's like, are you
gonna get married?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Are you gonna get married? Do you do you drink?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Do you date?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You dated boys in high school?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Like what you're into a bartender? Now? Does he drink?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He makes drinks like owen sober, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You took care of an addict? How dare you?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You didn't turn your back on some way he was
struggling monster. Oh it just like fires me up and
makes me so upset.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It just means they didn't google adoption process. No one
googled it. Heyes, jeeved it. Whatever the we were doing
back then, Like it's so easy. Did you just say
ask jeeved it? The children won't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Say, well, know what that means. But it was cool
back then.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm trying to remember where this goes, because was it?
There was something about this actress though, because she I
really liked her. I really liked that. She wasn't mean
or bitchy or snooty or I mean, she was very warm.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
She dis got such a good actress.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yes, so it's such a such a a warmth and
openness about her. And when she left after Brooke gives
the big speech, I remember feeling like, I think this
whole thing was a test so that she could see
how far Brook would fight for what she wants. Do
(12:20):
we remember if that's where it's going, I.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Don't remember, but I will say when we had that confrontation,
and I got to deliver the I Am one in
a million speech. Yeah, watching it today, I was like, oh,
I see it. Something's turning for her, Like it's gonna change. Yeah.
I don't know how quickly Angie comes into the picture,
but I know that I foster that little girl with
(12:44):
this terrible haircut. So, for whatever that's worth it, I
hate that haircut so much.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It's your mom haircut.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, trying to look older and responsible. But yeah, I
thought Judith played it so beautifully. I just I think again.
You know, this was the writer's strike back then. These
scripts were turned in and then they were never edited.
It's so clunky, it's so intense. It wasn't researched, it
wasn't based in any sort of a reality. Yeah, she
(13:13):
made a whole meal with what was barely an appetizer
on the page for her. So then hats off to her,
but oh yeah, it just like, oh it makes me
so mad.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I like this idea that you mentioned a little bit of,
you know, Brooke a kid who came from a no
parent home, that little thing of like, did you come
from a single parent home? I came from a no.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Parent, no parent home.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, this idea that Brooke wants to find another child
with a no parent home and provide that. You know,
I think as we get older, there's a lot of
mother work that is done in therapy and things like that,
and I have found I didn't realize that not everyone
(13:59):
on the planet wants to be a mom like their
whole life. Because I did. I was like, you know,
five six years old, like sleeping with baby dolls, like
these are my children? Yeah? And then when I met
people that were like, no, I'm good man, I was like, oh, wow, cool.
And I have a daughter who has zero interest in
(14:19):
being a parent. She is I'm like, do you want
a baby doll? She's like, that's disgusting, And in my mind,
in my mind, I'm like, it's because it's because I
felt like I needed to correct some things, right, Like
I'll just have my own kids and do it my
way and it'll be so much better. My daughter doesn't
feel like she needs to correct anything, and so she
saw don cycle. The cycle ends here, killing it. I'm
(14:45):
gonna interpret it. She'll hear this in therapy so many
years later and she'll be like, mom, that wasn't it
at all. I didn't want a baby that idea, of course,
correcting in order to find like, I don't know, you're
safety net, you know, like wanting to have someone to
love is a basic human instinct and pivoting away from
(15:09):
like dudes and making it about like what can I
pour love into, you know, as opposed to what will
love me back.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, it's a great distinction.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
It's an important pivot for Brooke.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, I love it, especially for someone who is taught
to only find her worth in being validated by others,
to say no, no, I feel best about myself actually
when I give to others. Yeah, when I support my friends,
when I help people achieve their dreams. And she wants
to do that in this role as a mom because
of what she's experienced as a godparent and you know,
(15:43):
as this auntie to Jamie. I think it's really this
special distinction. And I don't know, maybe because that's a
hard one sort of sense of self worth for her,
Maybe that's why I feel a little protective and I'm like,
really blew this storyline. We could have done it better. Yeah,
(16:03):
Like sometimes when people with our characters, I feel like
they're working with you. Got like, like my actual friends,
I'm like, no, Hayley James deserved better poles, we are
deserved better. Like I get really like I get protective
of us even though it's not us us, Like I
don't know, I think, yeah, same, I think to your point,
the way we are talking about this and that evolution, Yeah,
(16:29):
it could have been acknowledged, better, handled better. It could
have been a bigger deal if we'd gone deeper with it.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
We're rushing into it. It's been one month since you
told Peyton and Lucas, I want to have a baby.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Well, also, none of that stuff was well thought out, Like, no,
now Brooks out here trying to adopt. She's not trying
to have a baby with Lucas. She's never gonna have
a baby with the man who is the love of
her best friend's life. Like that was insane, and it's like,
what did we do it for? We didn't even follow
through on it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's what frustrates me, that the lack of follow through,
because there are so many kids that need to be
adopted in so many families who have gone through adoption,
and how difficult that journey can be. What amazing opportunity
that would have been to share that journey on our
show through a character that's so beloved, and you could
have taken the time and walked through that. I think
so many people would have showed up for that and
(17:18):
loved to go through that journey with Brooke.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well and the other side of the journey choosing to
build a modern family. Asking a friend to be a donor,
sure is such a big deal, and something so sacred
and like could have also been a big deal. But
it's like we sort of dishonored both realities that people
go through, and I wish we hadn't because it felt
(17:44):
out of character for her and it felt like it
sort of cheapened both experiences a little bit. But to
your point, nobody googled it and then we were on
strike and nobody could change it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I guess, yeah, there was just one person in a
room typing stream of consciousness and then put it in
all of our mouths.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I'm a genius. It wasn't the later seasons where I
got passionate enough where I'd read a scene and be like,
I'm not saying that I rewrote it. Yeah, I wasn't
that confident yet totally.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I wish I love that I'm a one and a
million thing I did too.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I feel like I hadn't heard that before. And I
don't know if that's something that fans write a lot
or if you hear that back a lot, but for
some reason, that was out of my range of views.
So I loved that.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, that is one of the ones that I get
to talk to people about a lot, and I loved
it too.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, it's such an encouraging thing to I mean, that
is one of those lines that I think as a
young girl or boy, just a fan watching the show,
is if you walk away from that, that's a line
that sticks with you that you can put as a
badge on yourself, Like, yeah, you know what, that's who
I am too.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I like that this whole Victoria Brook narrative. Brooke knows
she will be a good mother and it is something
that has never been encouraged or validated by her mother,
and so you're seeing her reach for a brass ring
(19:13):
that no one's valued except her. Like, you know, Peyton
is like kids. Yeah, I mean, baby, I'm here, but
like not on my radar. Yeah, you know, it's not
like everyone around her is like kids, kids, kids, kids.
She has identified the thing that she knows will make
her feel fulfilled and doesn't need any external validation. And
(19:36):
maybe that's why, even though it's a complicated storyline, I
do like it for Brooke because when you can arrive
at that place where you're like, this is my thing
and I don't need any other people in my life
to tell me it's good, because I know it's good.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
It's cool to see her in that space.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I agree, And I think maybe it's because I like
the storyline so much that I wish we'd gone a
little deeper with it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I like.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yeah, if you're going to adopt as a single person,
do you have to identify who you're next of kin?
Is so like, if something happens to you, who takes
care of this child like you do? I feel like
there's a lot of protocol that could have been juicy
conversations for broken Yeah, and it didn't happen, Just didn't. Yeah,
Victoria's trying to like give power of attorney or something creepy.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I like what you said, Hillary about the mother work
that we do, and you know, Hailey says, it made
me think of that moment in the therapy sessions when
Haley said I won't be an absent parent. And I
was like, why is that such a why she harping on,
Oh yeah, because her parents were always sort of in
(20:46):
and out and around, And I was like, all those
I mean, it's not that they weren't ever present, but
they were very loose and I loose handed with all
the kids sort of all of them kind of raising themselves.
It seems like.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
That's a great point. Is this a whole episode about mothers?
Because Peyton talked about her mom too, Like Hailey's trying
to imagine a new form of motherhood that she didn't experience.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, And it's not that it's the wedge between her
and Nathan, but it's certainly like when you build a
little wall of pillows in a bed, it's that it's
a soft wall, soft between you and your partner.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
She's afraid of pursuing her own things because she doesn't
want to make her kids feel abandoned.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, and I think the idea of mother work is
really interesting because as you start to do your own
work and your own healing, you also start to realize
how those relationships have affected you. Right, Like Luke is
talking about this pain and not being seen and being underestimated.
Haley is voicing that she does not want to be absent.
(21:53):
She wants to be there for Jamie. She's working on
this because she wants to give him a certain kind
of stability and a presence of you know, with her
and even Yeah, Hill, I mean, you're talking about the
relationship and the love, but you're also talking about art
and belief. And the whole thing starts with Peyton talking
(22:13):
about how her mom used to sing to her. Yeah,
and that's this personal relationship and it evolves into her
identity with music and how she sees herself. And I
think it's really interesting that in all these stages of
our lives as women, our experiences as children gets reflected
(22:36):
back to us, right, Like you're seeing who you are
as an adult and knowing how you were influenced by
your mother. And you know, you go to therapy and
they talk about how when you start to heal your
matrilineal line, like it can go back generations. Like there's
work my mom and I have done that has healed
(22:56):
wounds that my mom carried from her mother who died
a long time ago. Yeah, And it's it's so powerful
and oh, there's like a part of me that watching
this today with you guys goes. Can you imagine if
from this moment in time, like this present moment in history,
(23:17):
knowing as much as we do and having as much
access to mental health care and perspective and research as
we do in twenty twenty three, like, oh my god,
imagine know well we would have done with these storylines
and we were making our show.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Thatday, I'll do Back then, I was all like, I'm
a pleaser. Everything's fine in my family. I'm going yeah,
today I would have been like, we got to work
all on some stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm setting a boundary. This is my soft wall.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I have words for this now. Haley said something that
broke my heart, and I think it's part of this
mother work. She said. She when you guys were talking
about what you wanted, she listed, She's like, I want
to trust Nathan again. I want to you know, I
want to be happy, healthy, safe, She said, I want
Jamie to feel appreciated. And the idea of saying that
(24:03):
about your child, it's like, is she talking about her
own inner child?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Because you always want for your kid what you didn't
have for yourself and sense of just wanting your child
to be appreciated. Yeah, I don't know why that hits
so hard.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
That's so true that it does really break your heart.
If you see your child offering a part of themselves
to a friend or something and they're trying and they
just get ignored or shut down or whatever.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
It's like like.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I know my kid and the other person's not they're
not not seeing her to just you know. I mean, God,
it breaks my heart. Even if she says hi to
somebody and they don't hear it, I mean, and then
she's just like standing there.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Like whoa, I will hold a grudge.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Like, But yeah, I think that's a really interesting thing
to think about. I haven't. I haven't thought about it
that way.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
How was that monster day of filming for you guys?
In the therapy, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I mean, look, I remember reading the script and even
doing the lines feeling like this is so sophisticated. I
have done plenty of couple's therapy in my life, and
I don't ever remember it feeling that poetic and perfectly.
Everyone's just sharing their vulnerability in such lovely kind way.
I mean, it was just very like it's scripted.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, it was very buttoned up, and maybe because it's
four weeks later, but I'm like, nobody's having an outburst?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, what was the deal with that?
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Why did nobody had the entire episode was just I
don't know, is that our fault as actors? Did we try?
And then we were told just keep it all mellow?
Was the material not warranting any of those emotions, Like
I didn't want to ever force anything.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
We were all hungover from that hunh episode party. We
were just like, yeah, mail it in.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But you know what, those episodes are really hard to
because all the dialogue is the same. That's what I
remember about being in there, because you're saying the same
thing six different ways, but it's paragraphs and paragraphs every time.
That is the hardest dialogue to remember because it has
no meaning really.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Well, and when you're saying the same thing over and
over again, by the time you're on the fourth scene,
you're like, what do these words mean? Yeah, like, which,
I'm supposed to say this thing, which is a version
of that thing, but I've already said it that way,
and I have to remember to say it this way.
It really can scramble your brain.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, and you can't change the words because they are
already matched exactly in the upcoming scene that we filmed
three days ago, So you can't say it in your
own words. Yeah, it's this was a technical episode, it
was indeed, but we were lucky with this, uh, with
this casting that you guys had. As you were thinking, arapist,
(27:01):
I mean we were excited to see her that you're
did know.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, you nailed it. You called it out. I can't
believe you recognize her for sixteen candles. This is what
you said, right.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, So we've had a John Hughes appearance in the
Breakfast Club episode and in this episode.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Havelen Morris as Olivia Prewitt. Is that? Yeah, correct, So
Havelen Morris.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
I'm looking at her and her hair color is different,
but she's got that same arched eyebrow, and I'm like,
this is Jake RAN's girlfriend? Pretty in pink? Is she British?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Havelyn is definitely a very British name, or unless it's
like Welsh or Irish or something, well let's google.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Hold.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
It's just every time she's giving you and Nathan relationship advice,
I'm imagining the scene where her hair is caught in
the door jam Noe of Jake Rand's bedroom. She's not British,
She's she's from Jersey.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Guys, good for her. We were watching the episode and
I just said, why did they make this woman do
a British accent? We are in North Carolina. Why why
is the therapist supposed to be British? I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I didn't get that one either.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I would love to ask her about it.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And it was so posh.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, it wasn't even like I'm from the streets in
London I was.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It was not cock me. It was very It just
wasn't conversational. Yes, it's just so like, where did they
find this British buttoned up therapist? And why would she
be the most relatable marriage therapist for Nathan and Haley
who are so not buttoned up? But you know what, look,
I did love the advice she gave. I loved the
idea of thinking about something that happens in so many relationships,
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that long term relationships, which is people stopped playing with
each other, they stopped going out and having fun and
tapping into the childlike excitement and what it was that
they first fell in love with each other four and
so I thought that was great advice, especially for a
young couple, like don't lose your joy, don't lose your
(29:15):
wonder and your laughter. Go find that.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I love that she'd called Nathan and Haley out though,
where she was just like, you guys are twenty two
years you totally you're not old. Please stop, you're making
fools of yourself.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, and to remind people not not to give up
on their play and their and their spark, you know,
especially at twenty two. It's so wild to hear her
say that to you guys, and to hear you know,
broke have to kind of defend herself to the adoption woman.
I'm twenty two. It's like we are baby babies on
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this show.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Babies just defeated babies, defeated tired babies. I've written hard
and put up with. That's right.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What we crept out, we craft good.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Nathan and Haley.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Are buried under the weight of all the responsibilities that
they've got and then all you know, stress and the
trauma and of course Dan and all the stress that
that brings back, which I still don't know why he
was being beaten up at the beginning of the episode.
But we can come back to that.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, good on Nathan
and Haley to have this huge traumatic event happen and
be in therapy like the next day if you've already
met four times and it's been a month.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
I would make him sit on net for a couple
weeks before I was like, all right, I'm going to
schedule an appointment and find an opening now.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, that's how they ended up with the uptighte British lady.
She was like, I don't care who it is the
first place that says yes, but I but.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
It is there.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
There's so I think that happens so often. I know
it does in my life. I get caught up in
all the responsibilities and I've forgotten, like I think it's
been a week since I've just played, like just gone
outside and ran around and kicked a soccer ball around
with my kid. I've been so buried under responsibilities and
it's a good reminder anyway. I'm glad that I was
grateful for that. It was a little gift of that
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today from this episode. Yeah, I thought that.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Was really nice, a little bit of therapy. I like,
I like all three of us yelling at the screen
while Nathan and Haley are back home and she's making
the bed and it's like, okay, well, do you want
to hang out later tonight? Maybe her now?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, do it now afternoon delight?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Man?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Now, well they did. They got right back into it,
back in the settle.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Thank god.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah fine, I'm so happy we've reached that point. Yeah,
Haley James, you have a what I wrote this and
down you have a serious ass, Haley James, say it again,
Say it again. This episode was obviously interesting for me
(32:18):
because I had to deal with Voldemort. Worst Voldemort, Yeah,
fucking worst. I wasn't speaking to him in real life,
and so he wrote himself into the episode and me
hugging him.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I'm so psychotic, Like, can you guys imagine Shonda Rhymes
or Aaron Sorkin casting themselves on their own show. Especially
in that scenario he compared himself.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
To the writer of Sons of Anarchy. He was like, yeah,
I'm like that, and I'm just like, you're not like that,
a gay, Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
You're really not.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It was so creepy. And so I got the script
and I was just like, all right, it's one day
of work. It's just one day of work. I only
have one day to be in this officeool film all
these scenes. And you know, my boyfriend's dad was directing,
and my brother's on set. There's like all these dudes
on set. And it just wasn't quite enough. And so
(33:15):
I invited my dad to work this day. And my
dad came and sat behind the monitor the whole day. Wow,
which was kind of weird, right, because he clearly wasn't
there to be friendly. He was just just being of presence. Yeah,
and my dad is a jack of all trades, and
(33:37):
he is really good at bullwhips. He had like an
Indiana Jones thing in the eighties and wanted to learn
how to play with bullwhips. It's always really good at it.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I thought you were just giving us a metaphor. You
mean actual, No, an actual bullwhip, real bull Whip's amazing.
Can't wait to keep going.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
So in between every take, I would just like be
line to the monitor and just like go stand next
to my dad because you can't touch me, you can't
pull me into a sidebark conversation, can't do any of
that if I'm just like shooting and making jokes with
my dad. And so it's lunch, and my dad has
also been chatting up Mike Rail, our sound mixer, and
they'd known each other, you know, like I'm I was
(34:17):
in a band with Mike Rail that played at the
hundredth Party. And so they're chatting and stuff, and Mike
divulges that he had been in the circus in his
early twenties and was an animal trainer and also knows
how to use whips. And so we break for lunch
and Voldemort goes off to the production office where his
(34:39):
office has like a view of the parking lot, and
my dad and Mike Rail proceed to go out into
crew parking, which is right next to the production office,
and pull out bull whips and start doing all these
tricks and just like cracking I'm real loud. So they're
making all this noise and it was the most redneck
like Carneye move that could be done. It was just
(35:02):
like a message. It was like, hey don't so you
don't what an awkward day at work? What a show day?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
That is like the North Carolina version of the Dad
and Clue lest being like I got a forty five
and a shovel and no one.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a bull whip in the back
of my Ford Explorer.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Watch.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I love that you had your dad come out. That's great.
It's really just taking advantage of the men in your
life that care about you, that you know, stick around
and stand up for you. That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Well, it didn't let's be clear, it didn't like necessarily
solve anything, did it for that day? That's it. It
was like for that day, even to.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Give you a day of reprieve.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I can't imagine doing that day and not having that
because no one else was going to be like, hey man,
like he's up here. Yeah, you can tell about my
body language. I'm like always pointed away. I'm never looking
like directly at him. I'm just sort of like delivering
these monologues to the ether.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, you're walking around the office and yeah, I think
you know what struck me, And I'm curious if you
remember any of this, but just like knowing what you
tended to gravitate to in wardrobe. Yeah, the fact that
you were in that skirt and those heels. And to
be clear for our listeners, like our boss approved all
(36:27):
our wardrobe. I was like, did he did he like
select out of the line of stuff you had tried
on for you know that four episode chunk or whatever,
like oh, I'm coming in this episode. I want or
in a short skirt. It like it like made me,
it made me feel like itchy watching you walk around
because I was like, oh, I hate that she had
to be in there with him.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
We didn't have fittings just for like for the episode.
Maybe we would do that if it was a really
big episode. It's like this is the wedding and we
have to get all like our wedding dresses. But usually
it was like, just come do one big fit and
it'll cover six episodes.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, four or five, six episodes at a time.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I don't remember how that played out, but I just
I also remember because I do remember being uncomfortable in
the skirt. I was seated. They wanted me to sit
on the desk, and I'm like, I can't sit on
the desk. I have to lean against the desk. It's
like everything was very strategic, and I remember thinking like
if I throw a hissy fit and I'm like I
(37:27):
need to go put on pants, It'll just I'll have lost.
I'll have lost, and so goddamn it, like I'm I
am not going to be flustered. I'm not gonna be bothered.
I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna say these stupid
lines and then I'm gonna go home and you know,
(37:48):
play with the whip. Yeah, do Indiana Jones tricks. But
I love that the fan base has acknowledged how absolutely
cringey this is. There was a time for that person
where he thought he was so cool. So I'm a
good actor, I'm so cool, and I think there were
maybe some fans that validated that. And now that we've
(38:10):
just like aired all the dirty laundry, people are like,
what a nerd?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
That's just so weird that he Why in the world
is Peyton talking to Max the record store guy.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
About and why does he know about Lucas and all
their deepest little.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
In details of her life? Like I'm so confused. I mean,
how long was Peyton net Thud.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
And he was not thirty six, He was not thirty six,
yet here what kind of nerd ages himself down? I'm
should to think of.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Other people that Peyton could have been talking to realistically,
and like, you want a random person that wasn't Chris Keller, great,
that would have been the first choice for sure, Mia
instead he's.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Holding up her record and I'm like, so, you paid
yourself as the creator and show runner. I made the
most money of anybody on our show. You paid yourself
to be an actor and took an episode away from
a Mia all these other characters.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeayeah, but where's Barbara? Yeah? Cool to have Barbara home.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Moira, Moira, It's like, where's Karen. Oh, she's coming back.
She could have been with you and Andy could have
been with Lucas.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Oh, that would have been so good.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Dang it.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I felt that viscerally. That was in my gut right there.
You just said that, and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
That that honestly would have been so great for the
long term of the show.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, where it's like obviously yeah, and like she's getting
advice and then Andy's telling Lucas, here's how you go
back and get Lindsey. That would have been so interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Yeah, how do I feel about that?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
By the way, Lucas going in and talking to like,
I was not into that speech. I have to say,
it felt like so manipulative and like the same thing
he said for the last five years to all the
other girls.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Pretty yeah, he said it to Brooke for sure.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, I'm going to prove it to you waiting. I'll
be waiting for how long?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah? Wait? Did he ever say it to Peyton? Because
I feel like Peyton was always kind of chasing him.
I don't remember him being like, oh, wait for you, Peyton.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
You know at the beginning he was chasing Peyton like crazy,
and she was like, why are you so crazy?
Speaker 4 (40:17):
I wish she would have said it just like that,
why are you so crazy? Man? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I think it's important to acknowledge that at twenty two
years old, you really do think you know what you
want and I did, Yeah, sure, that's fair, and then you.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Find out later like, oh I don't and that's okay too.
And Lucas, God bless him, just is not willing to
give up. And I think got some good advice from
Andy of just like, hey, you know, she just needs
assurance from you, the same way I did with your mom.
(40:59):
I knew that your mom had some unfinished business. I
stuck around and I respected her space.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
But running out on a wedding is different than like, honey,
I need a little assurance from you. I don't know
if you really bounce back from that.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I mean maybe in Lucas's mind. He's like, oh, that
was kind of embarrassing. Maybe she just needs me to
tell her I don't care.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, you know, well I wonder about that too, Right,
is how much of it could be about the ego
of not wanting to be left, because there are plenty
of people who feel like that, and there are plenty
of men who will do anything to not embarrass yet
left when their partner finds out who they really are.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
And why I had a breakup once. I remember him
looking at me and going, you're going to realize once
I'm gone all the things that I do and you
won't be able to get through without me. And I
was just like I.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Remember in the moment be like, oh, well you think
that's true, honey, take the trash out all the time?
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I think he genuinely does care for Lindsey.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Yes, I think she represents a side of him he
has aspired to his entire life, successful literary couple, you know,
helping each other with the dead dad situation, like they
heal a lot.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Of each other's wounds. But there's just always that Peyton Barnacle,
Fester and you know.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
That's something that's been so that's a very common theme
in romance stories, that there's one person that you're meant
for and that's the person you're going to be, and
no matter what happens, it's always just going to keep
coming around, and that's going to be the person. I
feel like the older I've gotten and the more I've
(42:54):
seen and been through, I don't know. I just don't
know about that narrative. I mean, I know that first
love is strong, and that you that person will always
be with you in your heart, and that the memories,
like the first boy I was ever in love with,
I'll always remember that, and there's always going to be
moments where I I'm grateful for the first time I
was in love, but I don't I'm glad we're not together,
(43:16):
like life has taken me in so many different directions.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I agree with you, Joy, I think the older I get,
the more I'm like, man, I could live with anybody,
My husband could live with anybody. We're easygoing people. We
make the choice, yeah, to live together, and so Lucas
and Lindsay could end up happily ever after. But there's
a choice there, and she's making the choice like hey, no, thanks, Yeah,
(43:40):
and he's got her in this weird professional headlock that
I'm like, oh god, Lucas, don't do that. That's not romance.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
And oh that's so the professional headlock. That's great.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, I'll only do the book if you edited.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I'm like, yeah, I think there are times in my
life when I have latched onto a person because I
in a romantic situation, because I there's that mindset that's
just so pervasive in culture, because it shows like ours
with moments like this, like it's Lucas and Peyton and
that's it, and that's gonna be It's Ross and Rachel,
it's it's he's her lobster. It's the thing that's that
(44:14):
we're taught over and over and over again. If there's
that one person, it's just got to be the person
you keep going back to. But I just I don't
I don't know if that's really true. It's neither here
nor there, or just something I thought of while we were.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
No, it's not a magic trick, man.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's a weird thing.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
But I like that Peyton has not reached out to
him once. This entire time.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, when Andy asked Lucas, He's like, oh, have you
heard from Baiden? And it's like, no power move, Nope,
so just above board, thank.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
You so much, self care move actually keeping it classy,
very proud. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm gonna go pour my heart out to Maths.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Well, I've been talking to Dan. I'm it was just
so random.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
She could have been talking to Dan. Oh my god,
that one so much better, just like, Hey, no one's
talking to you either. Cool story, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I don't want to talk to you. And he could
have been like, well, clearly nobody wants to talk to you,
like you could have been a funny, like nasty little
tete a tete.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah. Maybe if they're both at the graveyard, he's visiting
Keith's grave, she's visiting her mom. Somehow they end up talking.
Speaker 7 (45:31):
This is why we have writers through Yeah, all right, Well,
the fist fight at the beginning of the episode.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I loved that.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Did they all think that Dan kidnapped the little boy?
Speaker 2 (45:49):
That's what's so confusing.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
No, I think Dan wouldn't have been able to leave
the house without saying And that's why Jamie's like, thank
you everyone knew Carrie took him. Yeah, but they could
have done it better.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
But why would they start beating him up. I'm just
so confused. I liked the action. It was the only
action we got in the episode. Yeah, besides the end.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Maybe because Dan followed her and didn't call the cops,
like all the things he didn't do well. He needed
to be the hero, and it's like, you don't get
to be the hero, you're a murderer. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, that was pretty confusing.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Also, why did Dan pay off the social worker? I
miss that part.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
That's going to be in the future. I think. I
think in that there's going to be something that comes
up where that guy was like, oh, Dan says I
paid him off.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
He wanted him to listen to him, he wanted to chat.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, it was. It was a weird little He was like,
how about you keep this money and just have a
small talk with me, But clearly he wanted to leave
that money there and make it look like that guy
took a bribe. Yeah. But I didn't get anything out
of that scene, didn't. I didn't get any new information.
I mean, you know, Paul was fine as always, he
(47:02):
was great, But what do you do with them? If
there's nothing on the paper, what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Paul was good, but it was so random. And then
to have the guy be like, didn't you kill your brother?
It's like, really, this is what we're talking about, like
we all know. And what was weird to me is
that everybody knows what Dan Scott did. He was the
mayor of Tree Hill and he's creeping around the elementary
school girl and nobody's calling the police. He's talking to
little kids through the fence. A grown ass man nod
(47:31):
at My child's preschool.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Parents couldn't even show up early for pickup until the
kids over the fence. They were like, sit in your
car when it's time for you to come out, we'll
let you know.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, you can't just show up for lunch like you
used to.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
It's really weird.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
He wasn't into that either, But I'm curious to see
where it's going.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Hey, it can't get worse, you know what.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
This is silly. Everything is silly. And we have a
fan question that I find to be very silly and
also adorable. Who wants to read it?
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I don't want to die?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Oh no, yeah, okay, you had.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
The most to deal with this joy because you had
to deal.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
With Nathan Sweaty boys, all right, when you have a
scene where you're supposed to sweat on your face like
and body after a workout at basketball game fight, is
it just water? Are they actually like forcing us as
actors to work out and work up a sweat before
we do a scene. No, they're not forcing else to
work out. Although sometimes the boys, to make their muscles
look really big, will sit and do pull ups right
(48:31):
before a shot because they want to be bulgy.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
They're like, oh man, we're going to roll the.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Dummies. No, the makeup artists have a little spray bottle.
They squirt your face with water.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
They missed you, well, they missed you with water. And
they also have it's like a glycerin solution, you know
that they put on those spongy so like they'll they'll
they'll pat this glycerin. It's like a gel. It's gross
all over your forehead, so the sweat beads stay, and
then wardrobes sprang your shirt with water and you're just
(49:05):
like sticky and wet all day. It's pretty disgusting.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah, that's the answer, folks.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Thanks Kaylin. Like how do I get that Dewey look?
That's it? Do you think they just love teen dramas
so much that we went from having that super mat
makeup in the early two thousands to they're like, how
do we make all these bitches Dewey Dewey?
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I was real happy when Dewey and the Dewey look
kicked in. I do love it.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
You just wake up in the morning and you're like,
you know what I want to look like today? A
glazed donut.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
I don't know that I have a choice anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I mean to look like a snack, all right?
Speaker 3 (49:48):
So are we going to spin a wheel?
Speaker 5 (49:50):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (49:53):
What are we going to get?
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
This week we have our most likely too?
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Didn't we have this question already?
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Am I crazy?
Speaker 4 (50:04):
I don't remember this one?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Because I wanted this answer?
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Who is most likely to burn Thanksgiving dinner? Well?
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Didn't Brook I was gonna say. I did on the
show and we had to put the turkey out with
a fire extinguisher. It was a funny scene with me
and Sharon Lawrence in Austin. It was great.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I think I directed that episode, really, I think.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
So, I will say a great episode, great scene, not
me in real life.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
No, you are so like she's got a call sheet
for the whole cooking schedule.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, who's burning the turkey in real life? Who's burning
in real life?
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Guys, don't tell her. I said this, it's Daniel because
because she tries to do too much, like instead of
like parceling it out, she'd be like, I can do it.
I can do it. I'm gonna cook three turkeys, one
deep fried, one in the oven, and another like in
a toaster owner something. And she's the one who's like,
I got it, and not all three will burn.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
But one of one of them will. I would forget
about the turkey. I could see that happening, being like,
what am I missing?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't even like turkey, So yeah, let's
just eat ham eazy, open the foil. Did we have
a honorable mention this episode? What we love?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
God, I don't know, it's never this hard.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Did you just say it's never this hard?
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, it's never usually honorable mentions kind of jump out.
I'm having a hard time, Joy.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
I go with what you were saying earlier about your scenes.
I really like, I really liked the reminder despite how clunky,
so much of the episode felt I like that we
offered the audience a reminder to play yeah, you know,
like don't take it all so seriously all the time.
That felt nice.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, I agree, great, I love that giving the honorable
mention theme. Oh oh you guys, what what.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
The one of the biggest hawks I have ever seen
just landed in my backyard and picked up a pillow
and then realized it like swooped in, picked up a pillow,
realized it wasn't an animal, dropped it and kept on
its merry way. But it flew under the tree in
my backyard. That was insane.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Babe? Is this a metaphor?
Speaker 2 (52:27):
And we need to look up the spiritual meeting and.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Talk cowk medicine?
Speaker 4 (52:31):
Next Oh guys, all right, next week we have season five,
episode fourteen, What do You Go Home to? Sophia goes
home to hawks, be careful.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Hawk medicine, awareness, enlightenment.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
We're gonna learn some more. All right, thank you guys,
Ready to go?
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Speaker 4 (00:25):
Hey, guys, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Look.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Weddings are expensive, and we had one in the last episode,
so this was definitely like a paired down episode. It
was a yeah, it's a quiet, little, easy breezy episode. Huh.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Was I bored or because we have less of an
attention span now because the you know what's put out now,
the content that's out is always so fast paced to
keep up with everybody's short attention span? Or was it
just a boring episode.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
All saying things that we've already said ten million times.
I like when we do just two on two scenes
because it's theater fun. And I thought there were some
great nuggets in this.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
There were. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I like the device of how the montages. It sort
of felt like we were doing these merry ground scenes.
I liked that one scene would bleed right into the next,
and everyone was sort of confronting these ideas of what
you want and who have you been and where do
you think you're going? All these sort of beautiful themes.
Love that, but it did feel slow and clunky. And Hillary,
(01:42):
you did a great service to our show and to
Peyton Sawyer doing what you did in this episode. You
are a good person and an even better actor.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Right right, Well, here's the thing. I'm a lot older
right now, bit as petty as I was in my
early twenties, and I just it's hard to look back
at yourself and be like, hey, kid, you were juggling
a lot in this situation, and uh and you said
(02:12):
your lines and you hit your marks. Good job. You know.
We'd seen some fan comments before we watch this where
they were like, oh god, they're gonna hate this one.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Thank god they've warned us.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Oh god, yeah, I know. If anybody hasn't seen this episode,
let's tell them what it was?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
What was it?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Season five, episode thirteen. What do we got?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Echoes? Silence, patience, and grace because apparently so many echoes
and apparently grace is all we talk about on the show. Anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh god, it's a.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Lot of regurgitated dialogue. Yeah, give them this synopsis, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Lucas picks up the pieces after being left at the
altar by Lindsay, Nathan and Hayley deal with the repercussions
of Jamie's abduction. Brooke is haunted by her past as
she considers adopting, and Peyton is visited by an old friend.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Wait as the get Bork is haunted by her past.
She's twenty two.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right, yeah, her high school pass. There's yeah, so much
to say.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
How do we break this one down? Because it was
a merry go round and and I'll say I like
the merry go Round device, Yeah for a lot an act,
maybe two acts, but I kept waiting for us to
get off the ride and like actually get into what
was going on.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It was so introspective.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
A couple of loops would have been good. And by
act three I was like, well, no, I just have
motion sickness. We're just we're still doing this, We're still
spinning around. Okay, very are you know?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
We could perform this as a stage show on one
of those like rotating stages like Ley miss using.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Like Hamilton, do you walk in one direction and the
stage skins.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Everybody's picking up the last line of the last person
seeing the first line and the next scene.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, I was very carefully crafted. It definitely felt to
me it felt overwritten, and it felt like kind of
it kind of felt masturbatory, like you just like the
writer just sitting there, just here's all my pros and
let me just find all the ways to say things that.
It was just very like, all right, already, can we
(04:22):
like we get it?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I thought we all looked good though we looked good.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We did. Yeah, I mean my haircut was a crime,
but I will be clear. We copied Victoria Beckham's bob
that year. So it was a moment in fashion history. Yes,
it just has aged so poorly. And y'all I have
such a big skull, like I'm not meant to have
(04:48):
short tight hair like that.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I'm just not tight air.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
It's not good.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I like that little suit vest get up that you
wore when you picked Jamie up. I was like, she's professional.
What doesn't this woman seeing her?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I've just dressed up in a soup for my interview
that my mother tanked.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
This whole thing was so bizarre to me, I mean,
let's just start talking about that part, because Okay, I
I don't know, I haven't got I actually have looked
into adoption at times in my life, and I haven't
gotten that far into the process where I'm sitting down
one on one with somebody, But I am The one
thing that seems to be the real barrier for most
(05:25):
families with adoption is money. And I get that it
was fifty thirteen years ago. I don't ask me to
do math, but I get it was a while ago.
But I don't know. There's just so many kids out
there that need homes. I really have a hard time
believing that anyone would judge someone's pick apart someone's.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
High school history, school, high school boyfriends is my favorite question.
It's so absurd.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's so absurd, And to look at this incredibly successful,
driven woman and then decide to not recommend her to
have a child simply because she's questioning the motive, Like
there's no history in Brook's life that would say that, oh,
she just has a whim and then walks away from it.
That's not who Brooke is at all. Like she started
a company and was followed through with it. Her friendships
(06:16):
she stayed and followed through in spite of difficulties. I mean,
there's just so much I don't know. I didn't buy it.
I didn't buy it.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I didn't buy it either. The pettiness of that woman
being like, didn't you date that boy and didn't your
friend maybe your heart broken over his failed wedding too,
and you decided you need a baby? Like what it was?
So like mustache Spinny, there.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Would have been some action in this episode at least
if you had just flat out bust it out, laughing
at her, just.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Like I'm so sorry, what's happening? Is this happening?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Like insanity.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I learned a lot about adoption from Willie Garson because
he adopted his son right at the same time that
I gave birth to Gus, and when we met, we
were like, you know, new parents together. And he adopted
his son when Nathan was like seven eight years old,
so he was an older kid but still very young,
(07:16):
and Willie before he met anybody. You have to do
a series of classes, yeah, right, And there's you know,
night classes you have to take and social workers teach
you how to do stuff, and it's a pretty extensive
process you go through before you get to this phase
of like, I don't know, you shoplifted in high school.
(07:36):
I don't think you're ready for this because they are
trying to judge you by who you are now, you know,
and like how stable you are and do you show
up every week and all of that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Who did you turn into in spite of having parents
that were a complete disaster.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, it would have been great to see Brooke do
that kind of training and really, you know, really get
into what that exploratory process is as opposed to this,
I don't know what are they do things interview people
should bring a clipboard, you know, they're just definitely guessing
here well.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And one of the things that drives me insane about
all of this as well is like people when I
think about my friends, you know, who've adopted, and like
two of my best friends adopted both of their kids
through the foster care system. What they have gone through
as dad's the way they have advocated for their children,
like what it takes to go out and give a
(08:31):
home to a child, the amount of work, Like even
the fact that we didn't address like Brooke could have
gone and gotten a donor, she could have gone out
with the explicit desire to like get pregnant and be
a mom. You know, she has sat here and said,
(08:51):
I want to adopt. I want to give a home
to a kid who doesn't have the life they deserve,
who has been given up for what ever circumstance, and
provide a child with a better life than I have, Like,
you know, as a single woman, to make that choice
is such a signal of like effort and seriousness. To me,
(09:12):
It's like, you know, when we see these lunatics in
some of the states in our nation trying to stop
gay parents from adopting, I'm like, no kid has ever
been more wanted or advocated for, like stop enough, you know.
Any So many people go out and like who get
pregnant and whoopsie accident, like and it bothers me that
(09:34):
that we leaned into like shaming this woman, but we
didn't talk at all about what it means to make
that decision, the effort you're willing to make, the advocacy
of that to your point about really adopting becomes a
part of your life, Like you have to jo life. Yeah,
(09:55):
you have to jump through hoops to adopt a child
that you simply don't if you, you know, go out.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And if you get knocked up. Yeahah, And I like,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I don't mean to judge anybody, like look by the way,
like I have so many friends who struggled through fertility,
Like becoming a parent is hard for a lot of
people a lot of the time. Yeah, but there's also
you know what Brooke says, like nobody made my mom
get interviewed, nobody made her take a class like should have,
and it it feels like such a missed opportunity here,
(10:27):
And I don't know, like having so many friends who've
been through it, and you know who in our country
and countries around the world, like Italy with that fascist
woman who's taking lesbian moms off their birth certificates of
their children. Like I'm so angry about the way like
modern families and adoptive parents get treated. And I forgot
(10:48):
that Brooke got shamed in this episode by the adoption woman.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I'm just like, oh my lord, She's like, are you
gonna get married?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Are you gonna get married? Do you do you drink?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Do you date?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You dated boys in high school?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Like what you're into a bartender? Now? Does he drink?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He makes drinks like owen sober, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You took care of an addict? How dare you?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You didn't turn your back on some way he was
struggling monster. Oh it just like fires me up and
makes me so upset.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It just means they didn't google adoption process. No one
googled it. Heyes, jeeved it. Whatever the we were doing
back then, Like it's so easy. Did you just say
ask jeeved it? The children won't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Say, well, know what that means. But it was cool
back then.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm trying to remember where this goes, because was it?
There was something about this actress though, because she I
really liked her. I really liked that. She wasn't mean
or bitchy or snooty or I mean, she was very warm.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
She dis got such a good actress.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yes, so it's such a such a a warmth and
openness about her. And when she left after Brooke gives
the big speech, I remember feeling like, I think this
whole thing was a test so that she could see
how far Brook would fight for what she wants. Do
(12:20):
we remember if that's where it's going, I.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Don't remember, but I will say when we had that confrontation,
and I got to deliver the I Am one in
a million speech. Yeah, watching it today, I was like, oh,
I see it. Something's turning for her, Like it's gonna change. Yeah.
I don't know how quickly Angie comes into the picture,
but I know that I foster that little girl with
(12:44):
this terrible haircut. So, for whatever that's worth it, I
hate that haircut so much.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It's your mom haircut.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, trying to look older and responsible. But yeah, I
thought Judith played it so beautifully. I just I think again.
You know, this was the writer's strike back then. These
scripts were turned in and then they were never edited.
It's so clunky, it's so intense. It wasn't researched, it
wasn't based in any sort of a reality. Yeah, she
(13:13):
made a whole meal with what was barely an appetizer
on the page for her. So then hats off to her,
but oh yeah, it just like, oh it makes me
so mad.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I like this idea that you mentioned a little bit of,
you know, Brooke a kid who came from a no
parent home, that little thing of like, did you come
from a single parent home? I came from a no.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Parent, no parent home.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, this idea that Brooke wants to find another child
with a no parent home and provide that. You know,
I think as we get older, there's a lot of
mother work that is done in therapy and things like that,
and I have found I didn't realize that not everyone
(13:59):
on the planet wants to be a mom like their
whole life. Because I did. I was like, you know,
five six years old, like sleeping with baby dolls, like
these are my children? Yeah? And then when I met
people that were like, no, I'm good man, I was like, oh, wow, cool.
And I have a daughter who has zero interest in
(14:19):
being a parent. She is I'm like, do you want
a baby doll? She's like, that's disgusting, And in my mind,
in my mind, I'm like, it's because it's because I
felt like I needed to correct some things, right, Like
I'll just have my own kids and do it my
way and it'll be so much better. My daughter doesn't
feel like she needs to correct anything, and so she
saw don cycle. The cycle ends here, killing it. I'm
(14:45):
gonna interpret it. She'll hear this in therapy so many
years later and she'll be like, mom, that wasn't it
at all. I didn't want a baby that idea, of course,
correcting in order to find like, I don't know, you're
safety net, you know, like wanting to have someone to
love is a basic human instinct and pivoting away from
(15:09):
like dudes and making it about like what can I
pour love into, you know, as opposed to what will
love me back.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, it's a great distinction.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
It's an important pivot for Brooke.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, I love it, especially for someone who is taught
to only find her worth in being validated by others,
to say no, no, I feel best about myself actually
when I give to others. Yeah, when I support my friends,
when I help people achieve their dreams. And she wants
to do that in this role as a mom because
of what she's experienced as a godparent and you know,
(15:43):
as this auntie to Jamie. I think it's really this
special distinction. And I don't know, maybe because that's a
hard one sort of sense of self worth for her,
Maybe that's why I feel a little protective and I'm like,
really blew this storyline. We could have done it better. Yeah,
(16:03):
Like sometimes when people with our characters, I feel like
they're working with you. Got like, like my actual friends,
I'm like, no, Hayley James deserved better poles, we are
deserved better. Like I get really like I get protective
of us even though it's not us us, Like I
don't know, I think, yeah, same, I think to your point,
the way we are talking about this and that evolution, Yeah,
(16:29):
it could have been acknowledged, better, handled better. It could
have been a bigger deal if we'd gone deeper with it.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
We're rushing into it. It's been one month since you
told Peyton and Lucas, I want to have a baby.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Well, also, none of that stuff was well thought out, Like, no,
now Brooks out here trying to adopt. She's not trying
to have a baby with Lucas. She's never gonna have
a baby with the man who is the love of
her best friend's life. Like that was insane, and it's like,
what did we do it for? We didn't even follow
through on it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's what frustrates me, that the lack of follow through,
because there are so many kids that need to be
adopted in so many families who have gone through adoption,
and how difficult that journey can be. What amazing opportunity
that would have been to share that journey on our
show through a character that's so beloved, and you could
have taken the time and walked through that. I think
so many people would have showed up for that and
(17:18):
loved to go through that journey with Brooke.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well and the other side of the journey choosing to
build a modern family. Asking a friend to be a donor,
sure is such a big deal, and something so sacred
and like could have also been a big deal. But
it's like we sort of dishonored both realities that people
go through, and I wish we hadn't because it felt
(17:44):
out of character for her and it felt like it
sort of cheapened both experiences a little bit. But to
your point, nobody googled it and then we were on
strike and nobody could change it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I guess, yeah, there was just one person in a
room typing stream of consciousness and then put it in
all of our mouths.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I'm a genius. It wasn't the later seasons where I
got passionate enough where I'd read a scene and be like,
I'm not saying that I rewrote it. Yeah, I wasn't
that confident yet totally.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I wish I love that I'm a one and a
million thing I did too.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I feel like I hadn't heard that before. And I
don't know if that's something that fans write a lot
or if you hear that back a lot, but for
some reason, that was out of my range of views.
So I loved that.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, that is one of the ones that I get
to talk to people about a lot, and I loved
it too.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, it's such an encouraging thing to I mean, that
is one of those lines that I think as a
young girl or boy, just a fan watching the show,
is if you walk away from that, that's a line
that sticks with you that you can put as a
badge on yourself, Like, yeah, you know what, that's who
I am too.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I like that this whole Victoria Brook narrative. Brooke knows
she will be a good mother and it is something
that has never been encouraged or validated by her mother,
and so you're seeing her reach for a brass ring
(19:13):
that no one's valued except her. Like, you know, Peyton
is like kids. Yeah, I mean, baby, I'm here, but
like not on my radar. Yeah, you know, it's not
like everyone around her is like kids, kids, kids, kids.
She has identified the thing that she knows will make
her feel fulfilled and doesn't need any external validation. And
(19:36):
maybe that's why, even though it's a complicated storyline, I
do like it for Brooke because when you can arrive
at that place where you're like, this is my thing
and I don't need any other people in my life
to tell me it's good, because I know it's good.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
It's cool to see her in that space.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I agree, And I think maybe it's because I like
the storyline so much that I wish we'd gone a
little deeper with it.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I like.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yeah, if you're going to adopt as a single person,
do you have to identify who you're next of kin?
Is so like, if something happens to you, who takes
care of this child like you do? I feel like
there's a lot of protocol that could have been juicy
conversations for broken Yeah, and it didn't happen, Just didn't. Yeah,
Victoria's trying to like give power of attorney or something creepy.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I like what you said, Hillary about the mother work
that we do, and you know, Hailey says, it made
me think of that moment in the therapy sessions when
Haley said I won't be an absent parent. And I
was like, why is that such a why she harping on,
Oh yeah, because her parents were always sort of in
(20:46):
and out and around, And I was like, all those
I mean, it's not that they weren't ever present, but
they were very loose and I loose handed with all
the kids sort of all of them kind of raising themselves.
It seems like.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
That's a great point. Is this a whole episode about mothers?
Because Peyton talked about her mom too, Like Hailey's trying
to imagine a new form of motherhood that she didn't experience.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, And it's not that it's the wedge between her
and Nathan, but it's certainly like when you build a
little wall of pillows in a bed, it's that it's
a soft wall, soft between you and your partner.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
She's afraid of pursuing her own things because she doesn't
want to make her kids feel abandoned.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, and I think the idea of mother work is
really interesting because as you start to do your own
work and your own healing, you also start to realize
how those relationships have affected you. Right, Like Luke is
talking about this pain and not being seen and being underestimated.
Haley is voicing that she does not want to be absent.
(21:53):
She wants to be there for Jamie. She's working on
this because she wants to give him a certain kind
of stability and a presence of you know, with her
and even Yeah, Hill, I mean, you're talking about the
relationship and the love, but you're also talking about art
and belief. And the whole thing starts with Peyton talking
(22:13):
about how her mom used to sing to her. Yeah,
and that's this personal relationship and it evolves into her
identity with music and how she sees herself. And I
think it's really interesting that in all these stages of
our lives as women, our experiences as children gets reflected
(22:36):
back to us, right, Like you're seeing who you are
as an adult and knowing how you were influenced by
your mother. And you know, you go to therapy and
they talk about how when you start to heal your
matrilineal line, like it can go back generations. Like there's
work my mom and I have done that has healed
(22:56):
wounds that my mom carried from her mother who died
a long time ago. Yeah, And it's it's so powerful
and oh, there's like a part of me that watching
this today with you guys goes. Can you imagine if
from this moment in time, like this present moment in history,
(23:17):
knowing as much as we do and having as much
access to mental health care and perspective and research as
we do in twenty twenty three, like, oh my god,
imagine know well we would have done with these storylines
and we were making our show.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Thatday, I'll do Back then, I was all like, I'm
a pleaser. Everything's fine in my family. I'm going yeah,
today I would have been like, we got to work
all on some stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I'm setting a boundary. This is my soft wall.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I have words for this now. Haley said something that
broke my heart, and I think it's part of this
mother work. She said. She when you guys were talking
about what you wanted, she listed, She's like, I want
to trust Nathan again. I want to you know, I
want to be happy, healthy, safe, She said, I want
Jamie to feel appreciated. And the idea of saying that
(24:03):
about your child, it's like, is she talking about her
own inner child?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Because you always want for your kid what you didn't
have for yourself and sense of just wanting your child
to be appreciated. Yeah, I don't know why that hits
so hard.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
That's so true that it does really break your heart.
If you see your child offering a part of themselves
to a friend or something and they're trying and they
just get ignored or shut down or whatever.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
It's like like.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I know my kid and the other person's not they're
not not seeing her to just you know. I mean, God,
it breaks my heart. Even if she says hi to
somebody and they don't hear it, I mean, and then
she's just like standing there.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Like whoa, I will hold a grudge.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Like, But yeah, I think that's a really interesting thing
to think about. I haven't. I haven't thought about it
that way.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
How was that monster day of filming for you guys?
In the therapy, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I mean, look, I remember reading the script and even
doing the lines feeling like this is so sophisticated. I
have done plenty of couple's therapy in my life, and
I don't ever remember it feeling that poetic and perfectly.
Everyone's just sharing their vulnerability in such lovely kind way.
I mean, it was just very like it's scripted.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, it was very buttoned up, and maybe because it's
four weeks later, but I'm like, nobody's having an outburst?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, what was the deal with that?
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Why did nobody had the entire episode was just I
don't know, is that our fault as actors? Did we try?
And then we were told just keep it all mellow?
Was the material not warranting any of those emotions, Like
I didn't want to ever force anything.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
We were all hungover from that hunh episode party. We
were just like, yeah, mail it in.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But you know what, those episodes are really hard to
because all the dialogue is the same. That's what I
remember about being in there, because you're saying the same
thing six different ways, but it's paragraphs and paragraphs every time.
That is the hardest dialogue to remember because it has
no meaning really.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Well, and when you're saying the same thing over and
over again, by the time you're on the fourth scene,
you're like, what do these words mean? Yeah, like, which,
I'm supposed to say this thing, which is a version
of that thing, but I've already said it that way,
and I have to remember to say it this way.
It really can scramble your brain.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, and you can't change the words because they are
already matched exactly in the upcoming scene that we filmed
three days ago, So you can't say it in your
own words. Yeah, it's this was a technical episode, it
was indeed, but we were lucky with this, uh, with
this casting that you guys had. As you were thinking, arapist,
(27:01):
I mean we were excited to see her that you're
did know.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, you nailed it. You called it out. I can't
believe you recognize her for sixteen candles. This is what
you said, right.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, So we've had a John Hughes appearance in the
Breakfast Club episode and in this episode.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Havelen Morris as Olivia Prewitt. Is that? Yeah, correct, So
Havelen Morris.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
I'm looking at her and her hair color is different,
but she's got that same arched eyebrow, and I'm like,
this is Jake RAN's girlfriend? Pretty in pink? Is she British?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Havelyn is definitely a very British name, or unless it's
like Welsh or Irish or something, well let's google.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Hold.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
It's just every time she's giving you and Nathan relationship advice,
I'm imagining the scene where her hair is caught in
the door jam Noe of Jake Rand's bedroom. She's not British,
She's she's from Jersey.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Guys, good for her. We were watching the episode and
I just said, why did they make this woman do
a British accent? We are in North Carolina. Why why
is the therapist supposed to be British? I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I didn't get that one either.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I would love to ask her about it.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And it was so posh.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, it wasn't even like I'm from the streets in
London I was.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
It was not cock me. It was very It just
wasn't conversational. Yes, it's just so like, where did they
find this British buttoned up therapist? And why would she
be the most relatable marriage therapist for Nathan and Haley
who are so not buttoned up? But you know what, look,
I did love the advice she gave. I loved the
idea of thinking about something that happens in so many relationships,
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that long term relationships, which is people stopped playing with
each other, they stopped going out and having fun and
tapping into the childlike excitement and what it was that
they first fell in love with each other four and
so I thought that was great advice, especially for a
young couple, like don't lose your joy, don't lose your
(29:15):
wonder and your laughter. Go find that.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I love that she'd called Nathan and Haley out though,
where she was just like, you guys are twenty two
years you totally you're not old. Please stop, you're making
fools of yourself.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, and to remind people not not to give up
on their play and their and their spark, you know,
especially at twenty two. It's so wild to hear her
say that to you guys, and to hear you know,
broke have to kind of defend herself to the adoption woman.
I'm twenty two. It's like we are baby babies on
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this show.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Babies just defeated babies, defeated tired babies. I've written hard
and put up with. That's right.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What we crept out, we craft good.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Nathan and Haley.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Are buried under the weight of all the responsibilities that
they've got and then all you know, stress and the
trauma and of course Dan and all the stress that
that brings back, which I still don't know why he
was being beaten up at the beginning of the episode.
But we can come back to that.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, good on Nathan
and Haley to have this huge traumatic event happen and
be in therapy like the next day if you've already
met four times and it's been a month.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
I would make him sit on net for a couple
weeks before I was like, all right, I'm going to
schedule an appointment and find an opening now.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah, that's how they ended up with the uptighte British lady.
She was like, I don't care who it is the
first place that says yes, but I but.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
It is there.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
There's so I think that happens so often. I know
it does in my life. I get caught up in
all the responsibilities and I've forgotten, like I think it's
been a week since I've just played, like just gone
outside and ran around and kicked a soccer ball around
with my kid. I've been so buried under responsibilities and
it's a good reminder anyway. I'm glad that I was
grateful for that. It was a little gift of that
(31:17):
today from this episode. Yeah, I thought that.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Was really nice, a little bit of therapy. I like,
I like all three of us yelling at the screen
while Nathan and Haley are back home and she's making
the bed and it's like, okay, well, do you want
to hang out later tonight? Maybe her now?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, do it now afternoon delight?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Man?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Now, well they did. They got right back into it,
back in the settle.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Thank god.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah fine, I'm so happy we've reached that point. Yeah,
Haley James, you have a what I wrote this and
down you have a serious ass, Haley James, say it again,
Say it again. This episode was obviously interesting for me
(32:18):
because I had to deal with Voldemort. Worst Voldemort, Yeah,
fucking worst. I wasn't speaking to him in real life,
and so he wrote himself into the episode and me
hugging him.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I'm so psychotic, Like, can you guys imagine Shonda Rhymes
or Aaron Sorkin casting themselves on their own show. Especially
in that scenario he compared himself.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
To the writer of Sons of Anarchy. He was like, yeah,
I'm like that, and I'm just like, you're not like that,
a gay, Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
You're really not.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It was so creepy. And so I got the script
and I was just like, all right, it's one day
of work. It's just one day of work. I only
have one day to be in this officeool film all
these scenes. And you know, my boyfriend's dad was directing,
and my brother's on set. There's like all these dudes
on set. And it just wasn't quite enough. And so
(33:15):
I invited my dad to work this day. And my
dad came and sat behind the monitor the whole day. Wow,
which was kind of weird, right, because he clearly wasn't
there to be friendly. He was just just being of presence. Yeah,
and my dad is a jack of all trades, and
(33:37):
he is really good at bullwhips. He had like an
Indiana Jones thing in the eighties and wanted to learn
how to play with bullwhips. It's always really good at it.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I thought you were just giving us a metaphor. You
mean actual, No, an actual bullwhip, real bull Whip's amazing.
Can't wait to keep going.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
So in between every take, I would just like be
line to the monitor and just like go stand next
to my dad because you can't touch me, you can't
pull me into a sidebark conversation, can't do any of
that if I'm just like shooting and making jokes with
my dad. And so it's lunch, and my dad has
also been chatting up Mike Rail, our sound mixer, and
they'd known each other, you know, like I'm I was
(34:17):
in a band with Mike Rail that played at the
hundredth Party. And so they're chatting and stuff, and Mike
divulges that he had been in the circus in his
early twenties and was an animal trainer and also knows
how to use whips. And so we break for lunch
and Voldemort goes off to the production office where his
(34:39):
office has like a view of the parking lot, and
my dad and Mike Rail proceed to go out into
crew parking, which is right next to the production office,
and pull out bull whips and start doing all these
tricks and just like cracking I'm real loud. So they're
making all this noise and it was the most redneck
like Carneye move that could be done. It was just
(35:02):
like a message. It was like, hey don't so you
don't what an awkward day at work? What a show day?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
That is like the North Carolina version of the Dad
and Clue lest being like I got a forty five
and a shovel and no one.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a bull whip in the back
of my Ford Explorer.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Watch.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I love that you had your dad come out. That's great.
It's really just taking advantage of the men in your
life that care about you, that you know, stick around
and stand up for you. That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Well, it didn't let's be clear, it didn't like necessarily
solve anything, did it for that day? That's it. It
was like for that day, even to.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Give you a day of reprieve.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I can't imagine doing that day and not having that
because no one else was going to be like, hey man,
like he's up here. Yeah, you can tell about my
body language. I'm like always pointed away. I'm never looking
like directly at him. I'm just sort of like delivering
these monologues to the ether.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, you're walking around the office and yeah, I think
you know what struck me, And I'm curious if you
remember any of this, but just like knowing what you
tended to gravitate to in wardrobe. Yeah, the fact that
you were in that skirt and those heels. And to
be clear for our listeners, like our boss approved all
(36:27):
our wardrobe. I was like, did he did he like
select out of the line of stuff you had tried
on for you know that four episode chunk or whatever,
like oh, I'm coming in this episode. I want or
in a short skirt. It like it like made me,
it made me feel like itchy watching you walk around
because I was like, oh, I hate that she had
to be in there with him.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
We didn't have fittings just for like for the episode.
Maybe we would do that if it was a really
big episode. It's like this is the wedding and we
have to get all like our wedding dresses. But usually
it was like, just come do one big fit and
it'll cover six episodes.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, four or five, six episodes at a time.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I don't remember how that played out, but I just
I also remember because I do remember being uncomfortable in
the skirt. I was seated. They wanted me to sit
on the desk, and I'm like, I can't sit on
the desk. I have to lean against the desk. It's
like everything was very strategic, and I remember thinking like
if I throw a hissy fit and I'm like I
(37:27):
need to go put on pants, It'll just I'll have lost.
I'll have lost, and so goddamn it, like I'm I
am not going to be flustered. I'm not gonna be bothered.
I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna say these stupid
lines and then I'm gonna go home and you know,
(37:48):
play with the whip. Yeah, do Indiana Jones tricks. But
I love that the fan base has acknowledged how absolutely
cringey this is. There was a time for that person
where he thought he was so cool. So I'm a
good actor, I'm so cool, and I think there were
maybe some fans that validated that. And now that we've
(38:10):
just like aired all the dirty laundry, people are like,
what a nerd?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
That's just so weird that he Why in the world
is Peyton talking to Max the record store guy.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
About and why does he know about Lucas and all
their deepest little.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
In details of her life? Like I'm so confused. I mean,
how long was Peyton net Thud.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
And he was not thirty six, He was not thirty six,
yet here what kind of nerd ages himself down? I'm
should to think of.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Other people that Peyton could have been talking to realistically,
and like, you want a random person that wasn't Chris Keller, great,
that would have been the first choice for sure, Mia
instead he's.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Holding up her record and I'm like, so, you paid
yourself as the creator and show runner. I made the
most money of anybody on our show. You paid yourself
to be an actor and took an episode away from
a Mia all these other characters.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeayeah, but where's Barbara? Yeah? Cool to have Barbara home.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Moira, Moira, It's like, where's Karen. Oh, she's coming back.
She could have been with you and Andy could have
been with Lucas.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Oh, that would have been so good.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Dang it.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I felt that viscerally. That was in my gut right there.
You just said that, and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
That that honestly would have been so great for the
long term of the show.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, where it's like obviously yeah, and like she's getting
advice and then Andy's telling Lucas, here's how you go
back and get Lindsey. That would have been so interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Yeah, how do I feel about that?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
By the way, Lucas going in and talking to like,
I was not into that speech. I have to say,
it felt like so manipulative and like the same thing
he said for the last five years to all the
other girls.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Pretty yeah, he said it to Brooke for sure.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, I'm going to prove it to you waiting. I'll
be waiting for how long?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah? Wait? Did he ever say it to Peyton? Because
I feel like Peyton was always kind of chasing him.
I don't remember him being like, oh, wait for you, Peyton.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
You know at the beginning he was chasing Peyton like crazy,
and she was like, why are you so crazy?
Speaker 4 (40:17):
I wish she would have said it just like that,
why are you so crazy? Man? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I think it's important to acknowledge that at twenty two
years old, you really do think you know what you
want and I did, Yeah, sure, that's fair, and then you.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Find out later like, oh I don't and that's okay too.
And Lucas, God bless him, just is not willing to
give up. And I think got some good advice from
Andy of just like, hey, you know, she just needs
assurance from you, the same way I did with your mom.
(40:59):
I knew that your mom had some unfinished business. I
stuck around and I respected her space.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
But running out on a wedding is different than like, honey,
I need a little assurance from you. I don't know
if you really bounce back from that.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I mean maybe in Lucas's mind. He's like, oh, that
was kind of embarrassing. Maybe she just needs me to
tell her I don't care.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, you know, well I wonder about that too, Right,
is how much of it could be about the ego
of not wanting to be left, because there are plenty
of people who feel like that, and there are plenty
of men who will do anything to not embarrass yet
left when their partner finds out who they really are.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
And why I had a breakup once. I remember him
looking at me and going, you're going to realize once
I'm gone all the things that I do and you
won't be able to get through without me. And I
was just like I.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Remember in the moment be like, oh, well you think
that's true, honey, take the trash out all the time?
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I think he genuinely does care for Lindsey.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Yes, I think she represents a side of him he
has aspired to his entire life, successful literary couple, you know,
helping each other with the dead dad situation, like they
heal a lot.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Of each other's wounds. But there's just always that Peyton Barnacle,
Fester and you know.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
That's something that's been so that's a very common theme
in romance stories, that there's one person that you're meant
for and that's the person you're going to be, and
no matter what happens, it's always just going to keep
coming around, and that's going to be the person. I
feel like the older I've gotten and the more I've
(42:54):
seen and been through, I don't know. I just don't
know about that narrative. I mean, I know that first
love is strong, and that you that person will always
be with you in your heart, and that the memories,
like the first boy I was ever in love with,
I'll always remember that, and there's always going to be
moments where I I'm grateful for the first time I
was in love, but I don't I'm glad we're not together,
(43:16):
like life has taken me in so many different directions.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I agree with you, Joy, I think the older I get,
the more I'm like, man, I could live with anybody,
My husband could live with anybody. We're easygoing people. We
make the choice, yeah, to live together, and so Lucas
and Lindsay could end up happily ever after. But there's
a choice there, and she's making the choice like hey, no, thanks, Yeah,
(43:40):
and he's got her in this weird professional headlock that
I'm like, oh god, Lucas, don't do that. That's not romance.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
And oh that's so the professional headlock. That's great.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, I'll only do the book if you edited.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I'm like, yeah, I think there are times in my
life when I have latched onto a person because I
in a romantic situation, because I there's that mindset that's
just so pervasive in culture, because it shows like ours
with moments like this, like it's Lucas and Peyton and
that's it, and that's gonna be It's Ross and Rachel,
it's it's he's her lobster. It's the thing that's that
(44:14):
we're taught over and over and over again. If there's
that one person, it's just got to be the person
you keep going back to. But I just I don't
I don't know if that's really true. It's neither here
nor there, or just something I thought of while we were.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
No, it's not a magic trick, man.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's a weird thing.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
But I like that Peyton has not reached out to
him once. This entire time.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, when Andy asked Lucas, He's like, oh, have you
heard from Baiden? And it's like, no power move, Nope,
so just above board, thank.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
You so much, self care move actually keeping it classy,
very proud. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm gonna go pour my heart out to Maths.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Well, I've been talking to Dan. I'm it was just
so random.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
She could have been talking to Dan. Oh my god,
that one so much better, just like, Hey, no one's
talking to you either. Cool story, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I don't want to talk to you. And he could
have been like, well, clearly nobody wants to talk to you,
like you could have been a funny, like nasty little
tete a tete.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah. Maybe if they're both at the graveyard, he's visiting
Keith's grave, she's visiting her mom. Somehow they end up talking.
Speaker 7 (45:31):
This is why we have writers through Yeah, all right, Well,
the fist fight at the beginning of the episode.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I loved that.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Did they all think that Dan kidnapped the little boy?
Speaker 2 (45:49):
That's what's so confusing.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
No, I think Dan wouldn't have been able to leave
the house without saying And that's why Jamie's like, thank
you everyone knew Carrie took him. Yeah, but they could
have done it better.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
But why would they start beating him up. I'm just
so confused. I liked the action. It was the only
action we got in the episode. Yeah, besides the end.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Maybe because Dan followed her and didn't call the cops,
like all the things he didn't do well. He needed
to be the hero, and it's like, you don't get
to be the hero, you're a murderer. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, that was pretty confusing.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Also, why did Dan pay off the social worker? I
miss that part.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
That's going to be in the future. I think. I
think in that there's going to be something that comes
up where that guy was like, oh, Dan says I
paid him off.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
He wanted him to listen to him, he wanted to chat.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, it was. It was a weird little He was like,
how about you keep this money and just have a
small talk with me, But clearly he wanted to leave
that money there and make it look like that guy
took a bribe. Yeah. But I didn't get anything out
of that scene, didn't. I didn't get any new information.
I mean, you know, Paul was fine as always, he
(47:02):
was great, But what do you do with them? If
there's nothing on the paper, what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Paul was good, but it was so random. And then
to have the guy be like, didn't you kill your brother?
It's like, really, this is what we're talking about, like
we all know. And what was weird to me is
that everybody knows what Dan Scott did. He was the
mayor of Tree Hill and he's creeping around the elementary
school girl and nobody's calling the police. He's talking to
little kids through the fence. A grown ass man nod
(47:31):
at My child's preschool.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Parents couldn't even show up early for pickup until the
kids over the fence. They were like, sit in your
car when it's time for you to come out, we'll
let you know.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, you can't just show up for lunch like you
used to.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
It's really weird.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
He wasn't into that either, But I'm curious to see
where it's going.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Hey, it can't get worse, you know what.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
This is silly. Everything is silly. And we have a
fan question that I find to be very silly and
also adorable. Who wants to read it?
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I don't want to die?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Oh no, yeah, okay, you had.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
The most to deal with this joy because you had
to deal.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
With Nathan Sweaty boys, all right, when you have a
scene where you're supposed to sweat on your face like
and body after a workout at basketball game fight, is
it just water? Are they actually like forcing us as
actors to work out and work up a sweat before
we do a scene. No, they're not forcing else to
work out. Although sometimes the boys, to make their muscles
look really big, will sit and do pull ups right
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before a shot because they want to be bulgy.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
They're like, oh man, we're going to roll the.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Dummies. No, the makeup artists have a little spray bottle.
They squirt your face with water.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
They missed you, well, they missed you with water. And
they also have it's like a glycerin solution, you know
that they put on those spongy so like they'll they'll
they'll pat this glycerin. It's like a gel. It's gross
all over your forehead, so the sweat beads stay, and
then wardrobes sprang your shirt with water and you're just
(49:05):
like sticky and wet all day. It's pretty disgusting.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah, that's the answer, folks.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Thanks Kaylin. Like how do I get that Dewey look?
That's it? Do you think they just love teen dramas
so much that we went from having that super mat
makeup in the early two thousands to they're like, how
do we make all these bitches Dewey Dewey?
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I was real happy when Dewey and the Dewey look
kicked in. I do love it.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
You just wake up in the morning and you're like,
you know what I want to look like today? A
glazed donut.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
I don't know that I have a choice anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I mean to look like a snack, all right?
Speaker 3 (49:48):
So are we going to spin a wheel?
Speaker 5 (49:50):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (49:53):
What are we going to get?
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
This week we have our most likely too?
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Didn't we have this question already?
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Am I crazy?
Speaker 4 (50:04):
I don't remember this one?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Because I wanted this answer?
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Who is most likely to burn Thanksgiving dinner? Well?
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Didn't Brook I was gonna say. I did on the
show and we had to put the turkey out with
a fire extinguisher. It was a funny scene with me
and Sharon Lawrence in Austin. It was great.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
I think I directed that episode, really, I think.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
So, I will say a great episode, great scene, not
me in real life.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
No, you are so like she's got a call sheet
for the whole cooking schedule.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, who's burning the turkey in real life? Who's burning
in real life?
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Guys, don't tell her. I said this, it's Daniel because
because she tries to do too much, like instead of
like parceling it out, she'd be like, I can do it.
I can do it. I'm gonna cook three turkeys, one
deep fried, one in the oven, and another like in
a toaster owner something. And she's the one who's like,
I got it, and not all three will burn.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
But one of one of them will. I would forget
about the turkey. I could see that happening, being like,
what am I missing?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't even like turkey, So yeah, let's
just eat ham eazy, open the foil. Did we have
a honorable mention this episode? What we love?
Speaker 2 (51:27):
God, I don't know, it's never this hard.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Did you just say it's never this hard?
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, it's never usually honorable mentions kind of jump out.
I'm having a hard time, Joy.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
I go with what you were saying earlier about your scenes.
I really like, I really liked the reminder despite how clunky,
so much of the episode felt I like that we
offered the audience a reminder to play yeah, you know,
like don't take it all so seriously all the time.
That felt nice.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, I agree, great, I love that giving the honorable
mention theme. Oh oh you guys, what what.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
The one of the biggest hawks I have ever seen
just landed in my backyard and picked up a pillow
and then realized it like swooped in, picked up a pillow,
realized it wasn't an animal, dropped it and kept on
its merry way. But it flew under the tree in
my backyard. That was insane.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Babe? Is this a metaphor?
Speaker 2 (52:27):
And we need to look up the spiritual meeting and.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Talk cowk medicine?
Speaker 4 (52:31):
Next Oh guys, all right, next week we have season five,
episode fourteen, What do You Go Home to? Sophia goes
home to hawks, be careful.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
Hawk medicine, awareness, enlightenment.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
We're gonna learn some more. All right, thank you guys,
Ready to go?
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Hey, thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also
follow us on Instagram at drama Queen's ot.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Or email us at drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.
See you next time.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Were all about that high school drama girl, drama girl,
all about them.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
High school queens.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
We'll take you for a ride.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
And our comic girl cheering for the right teams, drama queens,
Trayleise my girl, rough girl fashion. With your tough girl,
you could sit with us.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
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