Lucas’ Tattoo • EP109

Tattoos gone awry. You really won’t believe what the Drama Queens "HAVE" to reveal about Chad Michael Murray’s “FUN” tattoo.

 

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Meet JoJo Stephens, the close confidante to keep secrets, lend an ear, or a shoulder to cry on. She was the therapist to give advice. And damn, she made them look good.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them
high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
our comic girl Sharing the drama Queen's Girl Fashion. But
you're tough, girl, you can sit with us. Girl Drama,
Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn MC, Queen's Drama,

(00:22):
Queen's Cool Friends were back. Did you miss us? I
miss you guys. Listen. This really is the best part
of my week because I get to like blow my
family off and say, oh, sorry, we have two hours.
Um tonight we got to hang watching episode nine with

(00:45):
Arms Outstretched, which the air date was November eighteenth, two
thousand three. Uh. This is after fighting with his father
and Haley. Nathan succumbs to the pressure and he takes amphetamines.
Don't don't go to help him play basketball. So in
previous episodes leading up, we've had casual gun play, We've

(01:07):
had like suicidal tendencies. What else have we had? We
touched on pills a little with broken the last one. Yeah, yuck?
Is this what kids were doing in two thousand three?
I just can't even remember. Also, as you pointed out, well,
while we watched the episode, why was he taking them

(01:30):
for like four days leading up to the game. Why
not just the game? It was it was successive. Yeah,
so lots to discuss. First and foremost, Brooks juicy suit
at the top of stripes and I had stripes on
my backpack. Brooks just all sorts of stripey, it's a roadmap. Yeah,
I was. I was a little confused in this episode

(01:53):
with Luke he because he seemed like two different people,
Like like we were getting a lot of um, a
lot of new a new side of like bad Lucas.
I guess what did you guys think? Yeah, because you know,
we were talking about what a sort of revelation it
was to be watching now and realize that he's like

(02:17):
fully playing these two girls, these best friends and scripted
to do that. Like someone thought that was a good idea.
Someone was like, Oh, this is perfectly okay for a
young boy to like say this to this girl and
this to this girl and while one's passed out for
with the other, like it's so and then in this
episode sleep so I'm going to hit on her friends,

(02:41):
like what? And then in this episode it's like it's
so weird because it's like they were writing him to
be like the broody book guy, but then also they
were like and be like a young guys starting on
a TV show, Like it's so it's very sexy. The
way he said that against you against the wall when

(03:02):
you were showing yeah, I was like, like I was
uncomfortable and I did the scene and I was like
over felt out of character. To me, it just seems
like there's a lot like, Okay, I'll give Luca space
to experiment with, you know, feeling out different crowds and like,
who do I want to be in different environments? But
the way he was interacting with Brooke, I don't know.

(03:22):
For me, it just fell out of character. I just
didn't buy it. The only thing that makes sense to
me about that is he's been a good guy. He
came like he was real slow burned with Peyton, like
I'm gonna respect your space, so I'm going to try
to talk to you about feelings and things, and he
got burned and it didn't work and off, and so
there's kind of a like okay, well screw it mentality,

(03:46):
you know, let me try to be in this other
guy Nathan certainly seems to get everything you want by
acting in this way. And then I wanted to see
a change. I wish I would have seen a moment
like they could have written in some kind of moment
where he was like he's standing there looking in the
mirror and thinking about this memory whatever, and it's like,
you know what, he makes a decision. I'm going to
go for it. And I just needed something I needed

(04:07):
to switch that was missing in the writing him making
a choice. And I was thinking, that's something that I'm
realizing as we're talking about it is perhaps some of
the what felt like really different or outlandish behavior, out
of character behavior, is also motivated by the fact that
it's really the first time we see two of the

(04:29):
high school kids in a grown up environment. Yeah, it's
a lot of like make believe, Like, yeah, they got
into the bar so easy, got served liquor. It was
passed off so casually. Brooks like, oh, I made us
fake ideas with your yearbook photo, as if that's an
easy thing to do. But but so suddenly you have
these high school kids in a grown up space, and

(04:52):
and as we were watching it, I was like, oh
my god, you're right, Hillary, this is an episode where
we see Lucas behaving more like Nathan. But what struck
me that I kind of forgot about. You know, we've
all been I don't know what one for a couple
of weeks, whole three weeks chat at this point, like
twenty four or something like, he's only a year older

(05:12):
than we are, know he's not. He's three years older
than us, isn't he? No, he said, than us. But
he'd been working for so long. He'd been like in
Cinderella Story, Freaky Friday, He'd been on Gilmore Girls, Dawstin's Creek,
so he'd done all of this work before where he
was cast as the sexy guy, and I was like,
what the fan base wanted to see him doing. He

(05:35):
seems like a grown up in this episode, like a
code it was. It came easy to him. It came
very easy. But by the way, like the bar that
you guys shot in we've mentioned on this podcast before,
let's get in Blue Post Memories. We love the Blue Post. Yeah,
the Blue Post has ski ball in the back. Darts

(05:59):
was a big deal. They and the pool tables, I mean,
we're those were jamming. If you could flirt with a
boy on those pool tables. I played a lot of darts,
on a lot of ski ball. Did you skip ball?
They had ski ball? But I wish I had gotten
good at cool Like, oh, by the way, Brooke Davis
is a casual pool shark, which we also got. Why
didn't we keep that storyline going? Yeah? Why didn't we

(06:21):
have one that trick? We needed a pool table at
trick was like low on cash. You could have gone.
I could have been like you, Victoria, I'm gonna go
make money pool shark and girls. I would have loved
if that had continued. Also, I would have loved to
have had an excuse to get good at pool because
I'm not, and I wish I was. I don't trust

(06:43):
girls who are. I'm like, what do you? But it's
one of those things when we watched this scene, like
how cool does it look? It looks cool? It really does. Um,
did you guys get tattoos in high school? No? Joy, No,
I was a clean team. But but here's what I'll say.
I had the boyfriend in high school who had tattoos.

(07:07):
My boyfriend was bad in fact, Oh yeah, yeah, he
there's a picture of him. There's like a full spread
of him in the year book because he had an
eyebrow piercing and he had tattoos. Um, they let him
come to school with a piercing in his eyebrow. Oh yeah,
he Where are you boy? Um, he's out there somewhere,

(07:29):
probably still being bad. But yeah, he had an eyebrow
piercing and like a he had a Woo Tang Clan
tattoo on his wrist and then there was like another one. God,
I feel like it was on his leg. I can't remember, um,
but it was like a scandalous thing. Oh of course
in high school. Yeah, I mean, how old were you
guys when you got your first tattoos? I got mine

(07:49):
in Wilmington's UM from a tattoo artist named Sarah Peacock,
who is I remember that. Sarah Peacock's really like a
great tattoo artist. If you can score in appointment with her,
UM in Wilmington's you should do that. Yeah. Um. And
she did the s on my wrist for Scott, and
then she she did a tattoo on my ribs like

(08:10):
right before I left town. Um. And it felt like
it was right when I was closing certain personal chapters
and I was just like let's go moralize this forever.
You had one on your foot though when we started shooting?
Was that already there? Oh? I got mine the day
I graduated high school? Did you do it? Yeah? Yeah,

(08:30):
I drove into the East Village and got got a
tattoo on. You're just I need to know more about
like seventeen year old Joy in her apartment driving to
the East Village with your Mariah carry hoop ear rings.
I feel like the more the more I watch Friends,
because I'm binging it right now at night, it's like
my comfort show. Um, the more I realized I'm Phoebe, Yes,

(08:57):
I have memories, and I feel like I've lived so
many different lives, you know, and Phoebe's like, oh yeah,
when I lived in Prague and everybody's looking at her
like what I Like, I think that's me random parts
of my life that I take this as a compliment,
but one hundred percent, yes, your Phoebe. Our Season one
nickname for you was Joy Peter, That's right, remember that?

(09:19):
And like it was just because like Joy was Joy
was always so comfortable and like, I'm on a different
planet and what are you guys talking about? Like agents
and casting directors. No, No, we're talking about like Victorian
homes and you know, like something totally obscure today. And
you know, people ever created gold jewelry. I remember people

(09:40):
used to think I was mad or grouchy a lot,
because well, I have the that my elevens, you know,
right between my two eyes, the lines in my forehead,
and those are just genetic. My every woman in my
family has those from a young age. And but I
was always thinking really intently and quiet. And when I
go into my own world, I'm gone, Like you can

(10:00):
be talking to me and I don't see you or
hear you, and it's not personal. I'm just my brain can't.
I can't multitask the same. I'm just gone. I'm somewhere.
It's a skill set. You don't. People would think I
was so crouchy. I need never clocked it as grouchy.
I just clocked it as she's got better ship going on.
But what we're talking about, Yeah, I love you as Phoebe,

(10:25):
and I love you on your planet and I love
your Were you even eighteen yet when you got your
tattoo on your foot? Um no I had, Oh No,
I wasn't eighteen. No, I was still I was still seventeen.
I think I just uh wait, actually no, I was.
I was just turned April. April. I had just turned eighteen.

(10:47):
That's right. I think that's well, that's why they tattooed
me because I could show my I d I didn't
get my first tattoo until I was twenty three. And
here this is I've met. Well, I'm going to embarrass myself.
You guys did like Goldie Hawns so much. I was
closing a personal chapter in my life at the time. Hillary,

(11:08):
we have this in common, and those books they just
close them and set them on fire. And I read
Goldie's book, Uh, A Lotus Grows in the Mud, and
its like is that what it like? Changed my life? Actually,
when our sweet friend Danil was going through a time,

(11:30):
I gave her my copy with all my notes in it.
I was like, I never do this. This is the
inside of my heart. Read this book. Um so, I
think it's been like just sort of passed around groups
of women going through transitions. But I got my first
tattoo um here in l A at the Shamrock on sunset,
and then I got my next couple. I got my

(11:50):
next couple in Wilmington's um yeah, man, and I don't know.
I've just kind of wrapped him up ever since we
just have to hide them. I just put them away. Yeah,
that's why six of my seven are white. One tattoo, yeah,
which is really fun. It's like such a party trick
when you show people because they're like, what do you
mean you have seven tattoos? And you start showing them

(12:12):
where they are and people are like, oh my god,
I see you. And She's like, let's go to Sweden,
and like once people see them, they can't un see them.
The fun tattoo? Did that symbol really mean? Fun? Do
we know? That? Would be fun to find out? Symbol mean?

(12:34):
I don't remember what Brooks tattoo. That's another thing. So
for one episode, Brooke was a pool shark, and for
one episode Brooke had a tattoo. They just went away
and I realized that the entire thing happened as a
vehicle for them to put that tattoo on Chad's arm
for Lucas, because Chad has a real tattoo on his

(12:57):
shoulder and they were having such a hard time covering
it up. Was that his real tattoo? No, No, he's
gotta it's like, but it's raised. So they were having
so much trouble covering it with flesh tone that they
needed an excuse to put a bandage over his arm
from basketball. They couldn't get it to stay on, and
when he'd sweat, it would kind of run and and

(13:17):
they were just really struggling, and they realized that if
they covered it and then put a tattoo over it,
it did just enough for the eye on camera to
take away the texture of his covered up tattoo. They
write this whole They wrote this whole thing to get
Lucas a tattoo so they could put a bandage on

(13:38):
a short sleeve shirt. Right. I literally he could have
worn a shirt under his jersey, but they wanted to
show off all the boys muscles, so they weren't going
to do that. Okay, our fabulous producers, they were giving
us a note. They're saying, he supposedly got the word
fun tattooed on his arm in characters that you know
Chinese Chinese character. In reality, the Mandarin characters are the

(13:58):
equivalent of the word have wa. This is great. This
is what I was gonna say. I remember joy much
like Hayley's penis hat. I remember Mark and the Writer's
roasting Chad because they were like, yeah, you know, we're
gonna say Lucas got a tattoo that says fun and

(14:19):
it says something else. Joy. How did you feel watching
Craig Cheffer la in the lowdown, hot and bothered? Baby?
He was? He was so starned. That was great and
we and Lucas, you know, Lucas needed it, and I
loved that he you know, came around and was willing
to help him out with his jankie tattoo that got

(14:42):
all like infected and stuff. The rotten tattoo, rotten drugs
and tattoos don't work that way. No, can we talk
about Craig Cheffer's archaic threats when he goes, what did
you do? Join the navy? And then he's talking about

(15:02):
get his tattoo and he goes, you you could get
an infection or hepatitis or he throws out yeah and
um and then make some like like offbeat reference to
getting a tattoo in the Philippines, which is and what
it is, and then and then the threats of bread

(15:23):
and water. I mean, yeah, he definitely was like that.
Was real old school. Somebody from the thirties wrote that's yeah.
Somebody that was like, I served in World War two
and we're got bread and water and you'd get a
tattoo if you got really wasted, and that would got
in fracto madness. Oh my god. There was also some

(15:48):
interesting stuff on the other side of Keith, which is
Dan and how Dan. You know, coming off of the
last episode where he was, it seemed he was well,
he was definitely more introspective. Um, he was definitely processing
a little bit more about his life where he is now,
the choices that he's made. It seemed like Dan was

(16:08):
really taking some time to think about those things, and
that definitely bled over into this episode. Um, so we
have him being more introspective now he's being tender with
Nathan in the hospital. He seems like he's really you know,
looking out for Nathan and trying to help and trying
to make some changes, and we learn more about why

(16:30):
he is the way that he is and um, and
then he blows it all up by not calling Deb,
by trying to bail Nathan out and threatening the doctor,
and also by telling Nathan it's okay. The Scouts won't
remember it right, Like he doesn't care at all about
his mental or physical well being. No, it's just like

(16:52):
college and the fact that he didn't. It was more
important to him to be the parent that was there
for Nathan, that he specifically did not let deb no
so that he could be the hero, so he could
use it a hster that was competitive in every aspect
of his life. You know, even in like the parenting part,
it's like I'm the favorite. He would pick me just

(17:13):
say yeah, yeah. The narcissism was out of control. That's
what I was going to say, Like you said it,
you know, just it was it was an exclamation watching
his behavior. I mean, you literally went the narcissism. It's
it is. It's so toxic. And even when he realizes

(17:35):
he's been too hard on Nathan and he's saying you're
never going to break my record and all this nonsense
that shouldn't matter to a parent, when he comes back
before the game and says, Nathan, I said that to
you because nothing would make me happier than you're breaking
my record, and there's one beat and then he says,
but I don't think you will. It's like, oh my god.

(17:57):
Even your apologies are filled with attacks. Can't help himself,
help himself, He's a monster. This is like a telltale
marker of a narcissist too, is that there. You know,
there's a lot of people who they they'll say, oh,
this person can't be a narcissist because they they have
these deep feelings. Narcissist supposedly supposedly can't feel anything. They

(18:20):
have no empathy. So you think like, oh, I see
this person crying, I see them feeling bad. No, no,
no, no no, he feels bad because there are consequences for
his actions, and he's feeling the pain of the consequence.
So he is feeling bad for himself. It has nothing
to do with anyone else. And you really see that
in Flying Colors in this episode. I think with Dan,

(18:42):
I wonder if they should use our show in like
psychology courses, name that diagnosis. I think that's part of
why it feels so good to finally see deb Scott
raise her voice. Can you tell him to get out
and to call him a smug son a bitch. We

(19:02):
have a guest who was one of our ladies who
we could scream and cuss with back in base camp.
Take a little bit of a break, and then one
of our favorite humans is joining us. Don't go anywhere,

(19:23):
ladies and gentlemen. We are so excited, so excited. Guess
who's here. I'm pumped that she figured out how to
use zoom. Oh my god, Jojo, can you see us?

(19:45):
We're so excited to see everybody at home. This is
Jojo Stevens. She took care of us for the majority
my run on One Tree Hills, certainly, but the key
hair and a key troublemaker back in base camp on
One Tree Hill. You know where all the bodies are buried.
Oh yeah, Jojo knows where all the bodies are buried.

(20:08):
And also you just were, like, are solace of all that?
I screamed so loud when you came on camera. The
dog thinks something's wrong with me. Hi. Yeah, I just
gotta work. I'm sitting in my car. Tell us what
you're working on. I know, but tell everybody at home
when you're working working on dr I just Gemstones, John

(20:34):
Goodman and why am said why? And A D. Patterson
Peter you know you you only know their character names
because you gotta look at a call sheet and see
who's sitting in your chair in the morning. Now I
know that Jock says better than I know their next Joejoe,

(20:54):
you don't age, you look exactly the same. Oh my gosh. Well, uh,
if I hadn't had a little cocktail, I could see
how better and I would have my glasses on that.
Hold on, let's get into cocktail hour with Jojo. Cocktail
hour feels real important. So last week I told the
story about that time that I had to make out

(21:15):
with Chad and you gave me a shot back in
base camp to give me strength. Um, the Jojo cocktail
Hour is a legend. Is it continuing on this production? No,
everybody's scaredy cat. We Christie's working with me. Brian doesn't drink,

(21:35):
Brian losses, Hello, Brian, tell us you're you're a drink
of choice, your trailer drink of choice, A trailer drink
of choice. Well, it depends on We'll drink with shypathetically
of course, aypathetically? Um vodka, Yeah, hello vodka. Chelsea. George

(22:00):
was a compurest God bless um. Joe. When you got
involved in the show, how did you that come about?
Who called you? Because you came in? I was with
Mike Tolin. Okay, he was a producer. He was the guy,
I mean, hey to me, he was the one that
started the show and the the you know, leather pants

(22:25):
and stuff like that came later. So I do you remember,
if you remember, I was going to I was going
to exit the show because of the way, uh, certain
people were treating me. And I called Mike Tolin to
tell him, sorry, dude, but this is not working out.
And he said, no, letting make a phone call. The

(22:46):
next thing I know, I'm in the office of certain
producers and I kind of let them know that, um, TeamWorks,
my deal. And it changed after that. So wow, I
if anyone could lay down the law, you you know
what teamwork was your deal and it is. And I
because I remember that being such a a focal point

(23:09):
for for us when we were in the trailer, you know,
especially when there were things that you know, we were all,
especially with the girls, there were lots of misunderstanding, lots
of things that you know, we were hearing from other
people or you know, as we've said, there was so
much division. And I remember that you were constantly working
to get us all on the same team, on the
same page, and it was there's a lot of extra

(23:32):
effort that you didn't have to do. You know, you
were just there to do our sit there to do
our hair, and instead you poured your heart and soul
into all of us when we were so young and
needed guidance. And um, I mean, I just I'm so
I love you, I miss you, and I'm grateful for
your guidance there. Yeah, you were to ask for one
of your episodes, and you guys were talking about your

(23:55):
characters and your I'll probably start crying, but you were
talking about your characters and their relationships, and you guys
were all living your life's and your relationships and everything
was so fast, and yeah, I wanted to to slow down.
But then again, I know I remembered always, you know,
a lot younger than and I remembered the times when
I was building my relationships and how much fun it

(24:17):
wasn't the feeling and getting the betterflies and stuff. But
then again, at the same time, you were being push push,
you know, kind of I don't know, just worked on
and yeah, just manipulated and stuff. You know, there was
good stuff that came out of it, stuff, but I
was always like, oh my god, I wish they could
just say, I hope you can look back and go, wow,

(24:38):
you encourage me to get in trouble. I remember like
being real square, being a real prude, and she was like,
but here's the deal. You could go out and have
some fun and nothing bad would happen. Every love letter
I ever got, I'd showed to Joe's sitting inner chair,
you know, like it was good to have a touch

(25:00):
own where I could be like, am I being bad?
And Joe's answer was always no. You canceled all of
us through, not only the moments when we were falling
in love and the moments where things were falling apart.
I mean we were joking a couple episodes ago, we
were just dying laughing. I was like, where do you
think all the engagement rings went between us? Because everybody's

(25:24):
a couple, and like, oh god, I just you're right.
We we wanted to like prove that, you know, we
were all grown up and we had everything figured out.
And and I will give you so much credit because
you held us and you mothered us, and you gave
us great advice, but you never told us what to do.

(25:46):
And I can't imagine how many times you had to
bite your tongue because we did some stupid with Joy,
would I Joy? I don't know. I'm sure. I'm sure
you had to enjoy with her experimental hair phase. Remember

(26:08):
when like you would put the little tiny braids in
your hair and then you have unicorn hair for like
a second, how Joe? Okay. So hair is obviously something
that we talked about a lot on the show because
that was how we all tried to express ourselves or
you know, just feel like we had a little bit
of control over what we were doing. How exhausted were
you doing three hundred hair dues on three hundred different girls.

(26:31):
Let me tell you when I went, when I interviewed
for a job after One Tree Hill, it looked like
I had you know, you know a lot of resumes
are like long and you know, fifty things on them.
Well I had to point out that on my time
on One Tree Hill, I did over five hundred hairstyles.
So then that opened her eyes. So everybody listening out there,

(26:51):
if your hairsty was just starting right down the number
of oh gosh, I mean you were fighting humidity with
with two girls with curly hair, Um, you know, one
of them had to be straight and one had to
be curly, but it all had to be done with
an iron which doesn't stay uh in humidity. It water

(27:14):
just lets it all out. So that's a big challenge
that you're right now these days. I mean, and after
we left, you know, it's just me Christie and a
third I do. I think there was like two or
three more people hired, and you know, and another trailer
and a whole team for us second unit. And nowadays
doing four people's unheard of because you know, it's like

(27:37):
it's like it's like many movies, you know, per episode,
you know, episodic. But oh yeah, we shot in the
right if it didn't read, uh, you girls were out
in the weather, and what that means for the folks
at home when Jojo says if it didn't read, so
a funny thing can happen sometimes on camera. It can
be raining, but if the drops are small, they won't

(28:00):
quote read on camera. You won't be able to see them.
So they would put us out in the actual rain
and you know, coming blot us down with the tissue
every couple of weeks, so they want drops on our faces.
But we'd be standing in the rain and then they
look at Jojo and be like, can you just clean
up your hair? And she's like, it's wet now. It's

(28:21):
like Harry. Harry's hair would totally change if too wet.
Enjoyce went two, depending on you know, how much we
had blooded dryer, or if she pulled down her ponytail
after the first tight and said it wouldn't show probably
wearing the poncho that everybody but you hate it. I

(28:43):
didn't hate it. I thought it was cute. Ponchos were,
and by the but I don't know that leather pants
knew that. That's by the way. Okay, so the one
that shall not be spoken of will forever now be
known as leather pant has branded it done Done go to.
Nick started out blue jeans and went leather payt Wow gross,

(29:05):
Hey Joe, Joe, Because I think some of the technical
stuff is really interesting to people, especially like you know,
some of the language we know, like does it read
whatever whatever? And you just said if there's anybody listening
who wants to be a hair stylist, right down what
you're doing. I'm actually curious because I do think there's
probably a lot of people listening to this show who

(29:26):
are into the film industry, can you explain to people
listening who might be curious about your line of work, like,
what is day to day life like on set for
a hairstylist and and what's the difference when you're a
key hairstylist or you're the department head for hair What
what do those things mean for for film industry? Curious

(29:48):
listeners at home, Hello, curious listeners. As you know, you
can have a team of you know yourself and two
more or three more and you know, depringing upon the
size of the uh TV series around or the movie
kind of done a movie in a while, but um,

(30:09):
but you know, episodic After doing movies and doing episodic
it is so hard. It's much harder than film are features.
But the family unit that you build with um and
everybody knowing your name is so much just just means

(30:30):
so much more. UM and armit hand. You're pretty much
you know, you're in charge of well, on the show,
I'm on the guys. You know, really let us be
involved in the creative process. So we've actually got I
got to help create these characters and their hairstyles and stuff. UM,
So you do that and you make sure the scheduling
is right, and it turns out sometimes the department had

(30:50):
turns out to be more um about making the schedules
and paperwork and sending in budgets and ordering and ordering
and ordering. But you're doing a lot of management work
when you're the department. Yes. And if you get yourself
a good team and you get to do both, um,
that's that's the that's the juggling that you do. Um.
And then you're on set making sure those hairstyles like

(31:12):
awesome all day and sometimes you have to make that
same hairstyle look the same for eight hours when in
fact on the show it might be one second or
one minute. And then you also have to be a therapist,
and uh title myself as a therapist. I would say, um,
I've just lived it a little bit before you all did.

(31:36):
So I think you were well suited to us, though, Joe,
because you like bartended back in the day, like your
your experience back in the day was kind of what
we as young actresses were living. And just like going
out in a town going to see bands, like just
trying to get involved and and you really coached us
through it. We always had good music in the trailer,

(31:58):
like the We had a good call fee in the trailer.
We had good music in the trailer, and we had
good vodka in the trailer, And I don't know if
you can go wrong with that combination. Jojo. What what
are some of your strongest memories from your time on
One Trio? Um? The like I want like flashback when
everybody was dressed up. Um, there's so many watching uh

(32:21):
Lee nors cheer that one of my favorite favorite. So hard,
he did so good where the real cheerleaders. I'll these
girls like, oh, well, we've got this, We've got this,
and then there's like hundreds of real cheerleaders. Y'all had
to learn your routine, like, oh my god, this is

(32:42):
that episode's coming up. Joe, and we were terrible, terrible.
You're like mad at each other but not really, but
then mad at yourself because you didn't get the routine
and we've got this, yes whatever. There's like four hundred extras, jam.
I mean, he was so everybody hasn't seen that episodes

(33:08):
and they're gonna really know what we can do. He
practiced for so long and they would always we had
to do do you remember when we had to do
that stuff? They'd be like, well, we'll have someone come
show it to you guys right before you have to film,
and we were like, we can't learn a whole am.
What are you guys talking about? Like, we don't know

(33:30):
what we're doing. When the ten minutes you had to
be talked, you know, before we shot it, y'all were
so funny. I had to walk away. I was like,
oh my god, because that feeling of like trying so
hard to focus and also knowing that no matter how
hard you focus, you are just gonna fail, and there's

(33:51):
people standing there looking at you. Did you come up with?
Was like, well, let's just be bad, you know, and
make it look We were like, let's just start doing
the robot and the can can we made up all that. Yeah, gosh,
not everybody can be a winner. Um yeah, that was
a good one. Jojo was also great. I would have
these Halloween parties where we always had like a theme. Right,

(34:17):
you're the only person I know they didn't have to
decorate our house from Halloween. Shut up. It's true though.
I mean I lived in Squalor and haunted house was
a coffin I did. God has forgot about that. Right
when I moved in with Jeff. He's like, you can't

(34:38):
bring any of that, that was too much. But Joe
would come decked out. I'm gonna post some pictures from
our Halloween parties. Everyone would get to the house at
like nine or ten, and then Jojo will have sat
in like hair and makeup for like three more hours.

(34:59):
If I the time she gets to the party, she's
already like gone. You would set up and then you
would disappear. You came as Jojo the dog faced girl
because everybody liked calling out because of my name. So
Rachel decided that she would bake and I remember drinking.
Rachel was our makeup artist. Remember that the hair? Oh

(35:20):
my god, almost gag just now thinking about it, because
almost it was our carnival theme party. Would you do
for the Oh you came dressed as a princess to
our fairytale party. That was a good one. Were you
look an evil queen that had poison apples and that
made the shots. Yes, it's good to have a bartending
hairdressing friend to take care of you at your party's indeed, oh,

(35:45):
I just remember him. You had the big you put
up the big screen and you're one of your houses
and you showed movies and stuff. Yeah, I didn't get
into TV. I just had a projectory and I painted
a giant yeah, like a reflective screen on the wall.
That wasn't my old that place on Orange Street. And
I had big velvet curtains, and I loved antique shopping
in Wilmington's. It was so fun. I want to know

(36:08):
some secrets. I want to know some like what some
like fun stuff that we can talk about. That's that's
like fun trailer secrets that we would have forgotten or
you know, things that maybe like some of us don't
know because other others weren't there. Okay, so the secrets
are Joy didn't know what a higgy was, Oh my god.

(36:28):
And the other secret Barbara Alla Woods. They asked her
to be in uh brown panties on the billboard thing. Remember,
Oh that's what she asked me. I mean, I don't know,
what do you think? Wah wawa? You know what? Barbara?
I can't remember. I just said, you know what, I
don't know how old you are or whatever said, but
you know what I remember reading that. Um An actor,

(36:53):
a real famous actress, said she wished she would have
done more in her forties or thirties, you know, when
she was in her fifties. She was saying this, and
I said, you know what, Marbot, you got a rocking body,
freaking show it off. Just do it, guys. And Jojo
literally said that to me two months ago. She was
doing my head at her house in Georgia and she's like, Hillary,

(37:15):
you're covering up too much. It's time. She d in
the middle of all of us crew members. It's broun pays,
damn billboard stuff. And I said, if you don't want
to do it, don't do it, but you know, do it.
Don't do it because they're making it. Don't because you
want to say, look at me sucking, rocking this body.

(37:35):
And she did it. I love that you did. Always
add that perspective to a lot of the stuff that
we had to do, where it was like, you know what,
some of this is really kind of misogynistic and whatever,
but if we own it and do it our way
and posture it in the way that we're comfortable. Um.

(37:56):
It helped so much to know that there were women
on our team. I had to do some of this stuff.
I mean, like the sex scenes that we had to
shoot as teenagers. I had to leave the stage if
I heard, you know, because the sound is so much
louder when you're you know, when you're on especially, it's horrible.
And that kissing thing. I loved all of you so much.

(38:19):
I had to listen to kiss one more time. I'm
gonna throw up. I mean, I just had to know
it sound boy euristic and I like it. You were
there for all of the battles that we would have
about those scenes and about like what we were supposed
to wear, and you know how how in depth the
scenes were going to be, and us fighting for our

(38:39):
characters and knowing that we were in a position of um,
young high school girls looking up to us and being
and really caring about the message that we were putting
out for them. Um yeah, I mean I remember that too.
I remember that you were always there, You heard all
of it, and you were constantly giving us advice on
uh never telling us what to do, but like helping

(38:59):
us were out what our thoughts actually were so that
we could present an argument to the people that we
were that were in charge, that we were butting up
against that was intelligent, an adult, and you know that
we could really present ourselves in a way that was effective. Joe, Joe,
thanks for hanging out with us. Are we your favorites?
Can we tell all the other kids that we're your favorites?

(39:20):
I think everybody knew that and that and still and
I love you so guys, so much. And it's not
a day that goes by that I don't think about
you and say thank you for the stuff that you
taught me. We love you. Oh, I know, Joanne, Can

(39:40):
I tell you something. I I tell a story no
less than once a month, and I'll never forget it.
And I think this is probably something. I know it's
a thing that I needed to hear, and I know
it's probably something that so many of our listeners at
home need to hear. Um. You know, so many of

(40:03):
us are really good at showing up for other people
and loving our friends while doubting ourselves. I mean, it's
it's what kept the three of us. You know, what
let us be manipulated for so long when we were
little girls, was that we each of us like sat
in the corner looking at the others, being like, Wow,
they're so amazing, and I'm the odd man out, Like

(40:23):
we didn't know how to turn it around. And we
didn't know how to get over the hurdle of just asking.
And I remember being in your chair one day and
I just was venting and I was like, and I'm
bad at this and I'm failing at this and this
isn't working. And I was just like really on a

(40:44):
on a moment of criticizing myself so aggressively the way
that you know we all negative self talk, but I
was doing out loud in front of you, and you
went and you listen, and then you went, and I
could just feel your hands getting like more atlantic in
my hair, and finally you threw the brush on the

(41:06):
counter and you spun me around in the chair. You
grabbed me by the shoulders and you shook me and
looked me in the eye and you said, you watch
your mouth. You're talking about my best Oh. And even
now it makes me want to cry. It was such
I mean, you shook me out of some things, and

(41:29):
I realized I would never let anybody talk about any
of you the way I was talking about. Oh. It
was such a wake up call. And I tell that
story to anybody who's having a bad day. I'm like, well,
you know what my friend Jojo said to me one
because it's just it's so good. It's so good. You

(41:49):
also said, was it you or was it Kelly Jefferson
who said my second favorite thing to me about a goat,
everything got takeout, messing up your lipstick? Oh, all right,
we need Key Jefferson. Kelly was our makeup artist. We'll
have to have her on next. Kelly Jefferson told me,

(42:11):
you know, all of us, ladies, we went through some
falling ins and outs of love. And I'll never forget Kelly.
One day when we were all venting in the trailer,
going oh, girls, come on hey, he she goes love
and hater just two horns on the same goat, Southern
so good. So the two of you really gave us

(42:32):
some some jewels for our crown again. Yeah. Show love
you Joe, Joe, we love you so much. I love you, Joe,
But I tell you joy bye bye, honey bye. Oh
my god, my god. To be able to just pick

(42:56):
right back up with people back up, I feel like
I got really lucky because I went to go visit
jeff on set on The Walking Dead a few years ago,
and UM had got I didn't I didn't have George yet. Um,
so I bring gus to set and Taylor, who is
the key hairdresser on The Walking Dead, had done our pilot.

(43:17):
She was the hairdresser on the pilot, and it's only
when she didn't sign up to do the whole show
that Jojo came in and took over and they're like
best friends. So Taylor comes out of the trailer and goes,
oh my god, wait until you see who's here. The
door flies open and Jojo comes running out and we
just like burst into tears, and it was Jeff's like,

(43:39):
why are you crying? What is going on right now?
But it's it's so nice to have those friendships that
are only born from like being together eighteen hours a day,
every single day, and they last forever. Yeah, I mean
being on set the way we all do it, both

(44:02):
with the location and the hours. You know. I joked
with a friend on a job recently that it's kind
of like an arranged marriage. Yes, Like you just show
up and you're married to this whole group of people
because you see these people way more than you see
anybody you might actually be married to or no, and
and you're just like in it for a decade and

(44:23):
you got to figure out Yeah, you gotta figure it out. Okay,
We're gonna take a quick break and we'll come right
back and have a little bit more to talk about
With this episode. Um, we had some Halie and Peyton connecting,
We had some some really nice acting work from James Lafferty,
and we also have a spinning wheel of most likely

(44:44):
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One of the things that I'm realizing after reminiscing with Jojo,
our favorite gal on on planet One Tree Hill, he's
that she had that energy for us that you saw
in debb tonight when she was like, you smug son

(45:53):
of a bitch, I will stab you in your sleep.
I'm like, I believe Barbara would do that for us.
And also JoJo's that kind of one, and she is
the one who's like, you mess with my girls, and
I'll bleach all your hair off. Yeah. By the way,
by the way, like a little nick on the ear here,
a little yeah, my curl and iron I'm so sorry.

(46:17):
She's one of those people who will come to your defense.
What a tea it was. It was cool to see
Deb's escalation over the course of how many episodes does
have enjoy like, well, I guess for since she appeared,
I think, um, but yeah, it's been a slow burn
and she, as we've said, she's handled it with class
the entire times, leading by examples, setting an example of

(46:39):
how to be patient and kind and loving but still
have boundaries. But this was the last straw not keep
a mother from her injured son, no way. Yeah. I
like seeing her blow a gasket. And I think you know,

(46:59):
Barbara talked about this herself. She's like, once they saw
what I could do, you know that three episode arc,
it gave them ideas for other stuff, and so you
see the seed being planted for like intense deb later
down the road, the one that's like yelling to people
for fun, you know, like we're seeing her maybe enjoy it,

(47:21):
Like this feel's new, right. I really liked the scene
that you and I had Hillary in the with the library.
It feels good to have Jojo on for this episode
in particular because as someone that grew up with all brothers,
I always had difficulty communicating with girls my own age.

(47:42):
I could communicate with like older women because I grew
up doing theater with them, and I could communicate with
like little girls, but girls my own age I struggled with.
And Jojo was such a good girlfriend coach Like Jojo.
If I took something the wrong way, other people might
feed into it and be like, oh, that is messed up.

(48:03):
And Jojo was always like grow up, Like what's the problem. Okay,
that sounds dumb, you know, Like she was like, be
a good girlfriend, you show up, you listen, it's not
about you, you know, Like she didn't mince words, which
I needed. I needed a firm hand, and and she
was you know a lot of people treat actors with

(48:26):
kid gloves, and I think that well so that was
a problem on our show. I think every other department
has a department head, right, who sets the tone for
their department, can reprimand people. There's no department head for
the talent department, right, so we don't have meetings. Well

(48:46):
number one on the call sheet usually you know, the
is supposed to set the town. But but we were kids, kids, Yeah, yeah,
when when a kid is the number one a recipe
for disaster because when you're a kid, you don't know
what you're doing. What are they going to tell Moira?
You know, right, that's a bad idea, Moira. Moira should

(49:09):
have been the department head of the great We need
a department head in our group. And so for me
personally to have Jojo be like, be a good girlfriend
and value your female friendships more than boys. You know,
she was always that cheerleader. But the scene, yeah, the

(49:32):
scene with Haley and Peyton is so important to me
personally because we struggled with all the sexuality stuff. And
I think it's the first time really that Peyton sounds
jealous that Haley is a virgin, you know, And I
think there are girls really like that out there. Yeah,

(49:52):
I know there are. I was one for sure in
high school, I mean, and that's why it was important
to me to read a line that way, because it
was written on paper as like an embarrassed like, so
what if I am, like, don't make fun of me,
blah blah blah. And I like most of the girls
that I went to high school with were virgins for

(50:13):
I mean, I don't know what happened after they graduated,
but at least you know, during the time that I
was there, like that that was the majority. And I
just wanted to represent that as a normal um option,
you know what I mean, especially glad that they allowed
me to do that as well. I think it's important,

(50:34):
especially because for so long, and I know we're having
different conversations now, but we certainly were not in oh three.
For so long, virginity was represented as this thing that
like made you special but also made you prude, and
that guys would try to take but you shouldn't give them,

(50:55):
but then you shouldn't not because then you're a tease
and like, and then you're do and if you do, yeah, Like,
it was all wrapped up in the male gaze and
in the like traditional Madonna horror complex and all this
gross toxicity. And it was so refreshing to me not
being in the scene with you guys, just watching it,

(51:17):
to see two girls with two different experiences with the
same I wasn't even thinking about that. I was just thinking, like,
neither of them is being judged. Like, you make your
choices as a woman, and you do what you're ready for, period,
and it doesn't have to do with anybody else, or

(51:38):
a boy or anyone else is going to say to you.
And I loved that that neither Hayley or Peyton was
shamed in that scene. Neither of them was made better
than the other. They were just being supportive. And it's beautiful.
It was beautiful, and you guys played it so beautifully.
And and Joy, I love that you made that choice

(52:00):
to be like so what like I like me, you know,
it was such a good but I'm into myself. Well
gave everyone permission. Yeah, that's yeah, I really wanted to.
That was a really intentional choice. And I remember that
they because I remember the way that it was written.
I remember it was like she was supposed to be embarrassed,
and I just was so I don't know if I

(52:20):
had to fight for that or if they just let
me um, I don't remember when we watched it. I
didn't remember a shooting it. And the more we talk
about it, the more I remember, Like now now I'm
remembering the muscle memory of that scene, and I remember
it being a conversation. I remember it being like a
thing that you were very concerned about and you were like,

(52:44):
this is how it's happening, and that's the only way
it's going to happen, which was awesome. Yeah, well, we
were all very conscious, as I said before, we were
conscious that there were young girls looking up to us,
and there was already a lot of sexualization happening on
the show from a male perspective, and it just it
was so it was just so important to me that

(53:06):
that there was a demographic represented in a positive way,
you know, so that girls just that weren't making that
choice did feel comfortable with it and tattoos and they
just had somebody to identify with that was like, you know,
I like the way she's doing it, and that they
felt it wasn't like an embarrassment, it wasn't posturing or

(53:26):
trying to like make up for like, oh no, I
like it. It's fine. I'm a virgin. And we'll leave
me alone. You know, none of that. No, it was
just I wanted it to be confident and totally comfortable
with who she is. But anyway, we've talked to enough
about that, And I want to talk about James in
this episode because he is so damn good. I remember

(53:48):
he was working with a coach to an acting coach
was just such a testament to I mean, he's seventeen
or eighteen at the time, and so committed to this work,
so committed to doing a great job and showing up,
showing up on when without with the work done and
prepared and ready to just dive in and commit fully
emotionally to the scene. Not a not a lot of

(54:09):
young guys have that in them. Well, there's also a
lot of ego like I don't need a coach. I
don't need to you know, right, James was so willing
to do whatever it took to find it. And his
voice was the thing that really captured my attention because
it was like, oh my god, that's a sick, sad kid. Yeah,

(54:31):
when he comes to Haley after the hospital incident, so
that that sound is heartbreaking. His voice sounds like broken glass. Yeah,
it does. It was such a great choice, and I
loved to thinking about the connection of these two scenes.
The moment between you two ladies and the tutoring center

(54:51):
makes it so clear when he's apologizing for his behavior
for pressuring her physically, saying that she was the one
he looked at like before he really blacked out, and
he admits his terror. He says, I was terrified and
then asks to stay. It's so clear that he just

(55:13):
wants to be held, he wants to sleep next to her,
and and I don't know if that would have been
as clear when she shuts the door if it hadn't
have been for the scene between the two of you,
and Haley owning her her choice to you know, wait,
to be intimate, and and it it just gave it.
It gave it this innocence and this vulnerability that oh,

(55:38):
that's a beautiful scene between you. Thank you. I loved
it too, I thought, Um. I liked also that I
was a little I was I didn't remember shooting the scenes,
so I was a little unsure of what was going
to happen, and I was like, is this going to
go in the direction of Haley? Now it's gonna be
willing to sleep with him because she feels add for him,

(56:00):
because she wants to take care of him at home.
Don't do that. Yeah, that's not the way. That's not
the way. Um. But yeah, I was a little unsured,
But it felt to me like when she shut the door,
it was more of a choice of like, I'm going
to do something that I'm not so I'm not supposed
to boy sleep over. But it's like Hayley's parents trusted

(56:21):
her and she wasn't. I'm having a boy sleepover to
have sex with him. I'm having this boy sleepover because
he needs me and I'm a good friend and I'm
a good you know. Um, I'm a good person, and
I'm gonna across the line that I'm not supposed to.
But it's not really doing anything that's breaking her own boundaries,
do you know what I'm saying? Sorry, because there there

(56:42):
are so many incremental lines as a young woman, especially
before you choose to be in a physically intimate relationship,
Like you know, when he ruins it in the beginning
of the episode and you guys are making out and
then he tries to move on you and you're like
get out. It's like, remember a good old fashioned, just

(57:04):
high school makeout sweet and like we might know your husband,
we can tell him. But like there's all these things,
you know, the first time you sleep next to someone,
it's such a big deal, and the and the beauty

(57:24):
and the like sweet youthful innocence of loving a person,
and like curling up and just going to sleep. It's
it's so nice and and to be able to go
back into that high school space and take all of
the much smaller, you know, increments is really lovely that

(57:45):
we get to do it with these two and that granted,
he pushes her too far, but she stands up for herself.
He gets out, he realizes he was pushing, he apologizes.
You know, relationships can be a little complicated in those ways,
especially when you're young and fumbly and terrible. Um, young

(58:07):
boys can be terrible and uh, and I think to
figure out where everyone's boundaries are. It's lovely to see
it between two characters who are at different levels of sex.
I remember being told like, well, once a boy has sex,
like that's all he's ever gonna want, you know, like,
don't date the boys who were loose, because they'll expect

(58:29):
that from you. Always date like the Square Boys, which
I never did. Um, but that was like a thing.
You know. You can't put Pandora's box, like you can't
close it once it's been opened, which I think is
And also it gives this notion of like, oh, boys
will be boys. Their hormones way too much power, and

(58:50):
it gives them excuses. It's like, no, you're gonna listen
to a woman you Consent is not a who said this?
Oh my god, oh sexy. She is one of my
favorite comedians. And she said, consent is not a feeling
you feel. It's a thing. She says. It has to
be clear like and and and I. We talked about

(59:14):
this a while back, but this actually feels like an
important thing to kind of get in the weeds on
being a human is messy, Okay, like getting into a
friendship is messy. We all talk about the messiness of
our friendships and our confusion at one It can be
a little messy when people are trying to figure out,
especially people who could potentially be interested in each other,

(59:36):
like does this person like me as a friend or
does this person like me romantically? Sometimes it means, um,
you know, you get hit on by a guy, and
you have to be like, oh, not into you that way,
Let's be friends, And that's okay, that's normal, having to
figure out your boundaries as normal. And then there's obviously

(01:00:00):
the other more complex, nightmarish spaces of abuses of power
and harassment and things that we've also all been very open,
and I think what can be really sticky for everybody
is figuring out as we're trying to get much clearer
as a society, where in our own experiences there, you know,

(01:00:26):
as one of one, like where is there room to
make a mistake or to ask or to say like, hey,
I'm very interested in you, and I don't know if
you feel the same way, and if you don't, that's okay.
Not trying to make you uncomfortable, Like nobody knows quite
how to do it right. And and so one of
the things I like is that we didn't smooth it
over in the story and like make it all seem

(01:00:49):
perfect and squeaky clean. Like Nathan screwed up, Haley stood
up for herself. He said, I'm really sorry I pushed
you that way. Like I like that we showed how
you can overcome a mistake if you're willing to be
communicative and be a good person is everything. It is everything.

(01:01:09):
And by Haley closing the door at the end of
that scene to me, that says apology accepted and I
trust you not to do it again exactly, yes, you know,
which is sweet. It's also, um, I'm jealous having watched
this episode that you're seen turned out like loving and

(01:01:31):
nice and Peyton was left at a door for twenty
seven minutes, the three of us holy, like what is that? Also,
the guys, I was on a soap opera for two years.
That was the longest I ever saw, the longest unspoken
look to look to look to look. You will also say,

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this is the second time in the first nine episodes
that Brooke Davis has been used purely as a device
to like make something happen for another person. So at
the party, she's a nightmare to stir up the drama,
so everyone, and now I've had to get a tattoo
so we can cover Chad's real tattoo. And then but

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like interestingly, even though they were pretending to be grown
ups at this bar, there were moments of sweetness, like
looking Lucas joking about weird science and talking about what
I loved that scene and then you get right back
into like some ding dong boy always wanted a girl
to say this to him. I come out of that
bedroom going, you're ready to score the superstar, You're ready

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to score. It's so disgusting. I would never And the
fact that the two girls never said we're best friends,
and we don't even say you know nothing. Can we
just promise that if we're ever kissing the same person
in the you know, the next seventy decade, if we

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see each other, like let's say South Yeah, yeah, that's
what we can do. Most likely to have a stare down,
most happy to be in the world's longest soap opera scene,
and Hillary, I want somebody to cut together all of
the soap opera stairs, like the longest soap opera stairs,
and just the stairs. That's why I want to love that. Oh.

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Speaking of the amazing things are fans do for us,
and we did talk about Brook and Lucas having this
pool shark evening at the Blue Post. One of you
guys tweeted me a photo of my plaque from the
Blue Post Beer club that is still up, and I
just want to say thank you very much. I really
like round from fans. All right, let's spin the wheel. Oh, guys,

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mostly to marry someone twenty five years older than them.
We're not show it's Rachel, Yes, yes, that is true.
And Hillary, how much older than you is, Jeffrey, We're
a strong seventeen. That's pretty great. What I like is

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that to him, I'll be twenty six forever like forever,
right Like That's that's the upside. So if you want
to be pet forever, you know, Joy, do we know
how much older than you Craig chefferd is because still

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be single. I'm just saying I could break my record.
What a love story that? No, Listen, I think I think.
I think it was a girlhood crush. I think I'm okay,
it's graduated. But Joy, realistically though, you could beat my record.
So going to open up the search. Watson has a
question for us, and I'm gonna go on a limb

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and say, in the first nine episodes, from an acting perspective,
what was the hardest scene to film, whether complex or
emotionally and physically grueling? Because if we try to do
that for the whole n you know, the whole other episode.
So it go so far in these first nine episodes,
what's been like, you know, the most complex for for
each of us to do? I mean, running red lights

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felt really irresponsible. That was terrible, you know, but because
no one could really explain it to me. Um, I
had trouble with that. But I also had trouble with
the whole like Thud magazine, like it's my art, Lucy's
it's my art. Think that was hard for me to
give that speech. Are it's important? Are really really matters

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to me? I felt like Zoolander. Honestly, it's like it's
for kids who can't read good. What do you got?
I don't know. I don't. I don't think I've had
to do anything that's difficult yet everything. I mean, the
most difficult thing for me as an actor was the
basketball days when I just had to sit there and
you know that's just like a mental exercise and zen uh,

(01:06:12):
your ability to just like zen out. Um now, I
haven't not yet, not yet. I haven't had anything about Yeah,
you just had so much like great charming, like yeah,
it was all pretty lighte from real talk. I think
the thing that was hardest for me, Yeah, like hooking

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up with random dudes on camera just felt so gross
to me, like I don't know about this. Also, I
don't know you hear horror stories, and I remember just
thinking like is it inappropriate of me to ask to
guarantee that none of these people has like her piece
before they put their face on my face? Like it
always just made me feel so nervous. Um and then

(01:06:54):
the party episode was hard, like Brooke Brooke being what
what felt to me like cruel and having to find
interior motivations to create reasons for that. I was just like,
this feels sad. Mm hm. I like this question from Katie.

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If Brooke, Haley, and Peyton were in high school today,
what would their Instagram handles be? I mean, I guess
I'd be tutor Girl twenty three right, yeah, for sure.
I mean paint what was her? Hers was like punking disorderly?
There was what like she that was might be something

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like grumpy, like go away, you know, don't look at me.
I feel like I see people who do this and
I'm like, wow, that takes a lot of confidence. So
I'm going to borrow from other people, I think, because
mine is just my name. I think Brooks Instagram handle

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would probably be at the Brooke Davis. Yes, there are
people out there who are at the and then their name,
and I'm like, damn, that takes confidence. I think that's
good question. Thank well, Thanks everybody for joining us for

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