February 27, 2023 • 47 mins
Psycho Derek has returned once again. Luckily this time, it’s merely in the form of the man who portrayed him, Matt Barr! Thankfully he’s not like Derek at all!
In a silver lining, Hilarie explains how fans have come forward to share how these episodes helped them in real life.
All that plus, a secret set reveal you didn’t know about and… is there a future collaboration for Matt and Sophia?!
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Welcome back to part two of this prom party. We're
still dressed up. We're still dressed up, Listen, We've kept
our crowns on. We're really leaning. In episode four sixteen,
you call it madness, but I call it love. The
original airdate May second, twenty seven, It will be an
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unforgettable prom at tree Hill High when Lucas discovers who
was in the hallway when Keith was killed. Meanwhile, Peyton's
decision to skip the prom leads to dire consequences. Nathan
and Haley vow to be romantic teenagers, while Dan tries
to win Karen's affections and the witness to his murder
closes in. This episode was directed by our favorite Tom Wright,
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and we have another one of our favorites here for
part two. Matt Barr aka Psycho Derek, who, if you
were with us on tour, you learned is the sweetest
man off screen, sweet compliment, a terror. On screen, we
call him sweet Matt. Hi, honey, Hi guys, thanks for
having me back. I love you, We love having you here. Right.
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You are the nightmare fuel for every teenage girl in
America that watched this ship Matt, Like, remember, yeah, I
think I was like in China once and someone said
that to me and I thought, wow, that that really
made it a cross fie. Wow, because you're such You're
a handsome dude, and you're sweet, and there is nothing
about you that screams red flag. So then when when
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this all unfolds and you are horrendous in this basis, Yeah,
you're you're so unhinged. I just rewatched it. It's actually
creepier than I even remember it. You know. It's like
it's so dark, like I don't remember any kind of
trauma in my childhood, but man, it's you in this
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episode are the reason that, like, when I'm home alone
at night, I don't want to look out the windows,
like I'm so scared that a face like Psychoderic's face
is going to be on the other side of the glass,
and every we were sitting here watching the episode, and
we were just every other second we were like, oh god, oh, no, no, oh,
just feeling at the screen. How how does a person
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who is as kind as you are? I mean, listen,
you're an actor. Our job is to embody people, good, bad, ugly,
everything in between. Right, How how did you figure out
how to make this person a person that you could inhabit?
And was it uncomfortable to do on set? Like what's
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your world? Because it was really hard for us to watch.
I think, you know, I mean you guys knows his actors, Like,
I think sometimes the further the departure, sometimes the easier
it is to kind of take that leap. You know,
playing yourself is kind of scary and you know it's
just to be organic on camera. So I think sometimes
those kind of radical choices are easier just to like
I said, just to like, you know, base jump off
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the cliff and so if you go for it. But
I M so many actors overdo it like there's there's
you know what I mean, Like you you managed to
make it so realistic and believable, which is what makes
it so scary. Well, also, it feels like a real
psychotic break Matt like it. It doesn't feel like mustache twirling.
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It feels like this is a boy who suffered some
pretty horrific abuse and is now inflicting it on someone else.
And you made it real in a way that I
think elevates the fear factor. Were there were there movies,
because you know, I remember them telling us, They're like,
this is your shot, kids, You're doing a horror film
this week. Were there movies that you watched? He You're like,
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this is a bad guy that I can you know,
use as a model for what I'm going to turn
Ian into. Right, Yeah, there were And I'm trying to
remember what it was during that time, but I remember
thinking all that great villains sort of there they whatever
they're doing, they think there's a nobility to it, you know.
And so you know, and like I said, rather it's
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paint where wherever that motivation comes from. Maybe it's trauma
or pain, you know, Like I thought, if we grounded
Derek and it's like he really needed this, and you know,
he was this this obsession for Peyton was grounded in
some kind of for him real thing and so the audience,
like you said, it becomes real. It's not the mustache
twirling villain. It's it's like a really um, it's a
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very sick young man. And I not that we sympathize
with him, but I think then, but the more you
grounded that, that's almost an interesting part for a minute.
If you're thinking, like, man, I always feel bad for
how how you have to how can you how can
you play your character the most effectively? And that's to
care the most about your character. You have to you
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have to defend your character to the death, like care
the most about them more than anybody else. And even
if your character is an intense psychopath, um, you have
to know why. You have to believe that, really deep down,
there's a reason and they're just they deserve it and
there's something good and you know, because that's real. That's
what happens to humans, you know, not characters. That's what happens.
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Does I really like the I like the fact that
you're willing you know, you're right. It's an intense example.
But when you really compare someone like a Derek to
some of the worst historical villains, and then you as
an actor, say, even if this character I've been asked
to play, is this evil? How do I, solely as
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the person who has to inhabit him, how do I
humanize him? How do I give him a motivation? And
that's what I think is really jarring about watching it.
You know, to everyone else's point, it doesn't feel like
mutch mustache twirling. It doesn't feel like a caricature. You
managed to ground something real in him. And it's interesting
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that you use the word need, like he needs this.
You gave it a reality, which I think is why
it feels so scary. It's almost easier to dismiss a boogeyman.
It's a lot harder to dismiss, you know. You think
about all these crazy stories we watch on dateline, Like
it's harder to dismiss the hockey coach who you find
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out has been like murdering kids. You're like, oh, but
that's a real thing. Like the scary person who you
who feels larger than life, it's easier for your mind
to go, well, that's not really going to happen. And
you brought something into this character that made it feel
so real that I think it's why it's haunted all
of us for so long. So as an actor, well done. Yes,
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Do you have interactions with people that you feel that like,
are are that sort of like the real life villain?
And are there do you know what I mean? Like,
what are the what are the things that you draw
out that you're like, oh, yeah, this is a real No.
I mean, I've had to talk to killers on the
phone and people you know have done horrible things and
you just have to talk to them on the phone
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because that's your job, and sometimes you talk to them
in real life. It's it really freaks me out. Have
you discovered anything in terms of like this, they're so normality,
They're so normal. Yeah, that's what I mean, right, Like
it seems totally normal, like the hockey coach that like
you're saying, so they're so normal. And the thing that
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I think that was really effective about your performance, Matt
that I probably didn't notice in the moment, but I'm
noticing now as a viewer with hindsight, um the way
Derek enters Peyton and his concern for her, the speech
that he gives to Peyton in the basement, where he's like,
you were going to sleep with Lucas tonight, honey, and
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I just could not let you make that mistake, like
he has been working with you and I can't let
you do that. In his brain, this is all an
act of love. I am going to save you from
making a decision that's going to hurt you. And that
was the part for me as a viewer where I
was like, like, yeah, is it about him? Think he
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I think he was watching you and Brooke fight in
the yard too, right, Yeah, you know your your best
friend betrayed you, which was which was valid? You know? Yeah,
And that's it, right, That's where you see the break
is a person who would say, I can't believe this
person did that to you. We we hate her, you know.
You even see it with Rachel. I love Shelley. I've
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always hated Shelley. She turns with mouth, you know, when
when he tells her in the last episode that are
not going to problem together. It is a very normal
turn that in the mind of someone who's having an
episode of mental illness or who's had a psychotic break
goes from you don't like Brooke, I don't like Brooke
to Brooke broke your heart. Let's gutter like a fish
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and you're like, oh, dear, like we've we're no longer
on a plane of reality, and it's it's it's inspiring
to Hillary's point watching it now in hindsight, because you
were able to toggle between normal human emotion and psychotic
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response in a way that, as you said, yes he's
the villain. Yes, we're all terrified of him, and weirdly,
now maybe it's just because we all, you know, produced
direct Like I look at you as an actor and
I'm like, you made me sympathize with him kind of
though I want him to go to jail forever. But
this poor baby, what happened to him, What happened to
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him to make him this way? Yeah, it's gnarly. And
so I want to hear from you because we're gonna
gush about you for you know, another thirty. I love
doing this podcast. This is great. Yeah, yeah, anytime you
need tell you. I mean, we thought they had killed you.
(10:22):
And so for all of you at home, the fact
that they brought Derek back, or Ian or whatever your
character's name is, right, the fact that they brought you
back is a testament to how lovely you were, because
nobody else would have been brought back, but they bent
over backwards. To figure out a way to keep you
for longer. Right? Did you know about that during your
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first chunk of time on the show. I didn't. I
don't think that was planned. I don't know if I
don't think Mark right, I'm not sure the writers as
far as I know, maybe, y'all you definitely need more
than I did, probably, but I don't remember that. I
remember that kind of being a one off thing those
first four episodes, and then forget when that call came,
but I remember Harry and they were going to kind
of pull Brooke and Peyton apart, and that this sort
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of served a purpose the you know, um, you know,
you're not you guys again in a very exciting way.
But I'm glad I thought, um, like you said it,
Like you said there, there's a way they ground it.
If you when you first heard this pitch for the season,
it would sound kind of ridiculous, I think, you know,
because tree Hill is a very real place. And yeah,
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some things are sensationalized because it's a television show, but
it's a very grounded show. And then it's it probably
sounded it still does sound ridiculous, but I think we
made it. We made it a real kind of um,
you know, a real a real drama and a you know,
in a real talent. You made it a real experience. Yeah,
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you know, it's not just a story that people were watching.
We all felt the experience of terror as a unit.
Had you done like a horror film before? How had
you practiced this? That's when you haven't. Yeah, I don't,
I don't. I wonder where the dark. Like I said,
I think there's a way where you just like, you know,
it's it's easier to take a leap. It's sort of
just a far departure from yourself because I like, you know,
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you guys know me, I really am, you know, I'm
I mean I remember when my little brother was born
as a kid, I hated him so ready to share
bunk beds. So I think I was channeling that like
a bunk beds, like like Anthony Hopkins playing lecters like
it was all about the little brother and the bunk
bed thing. But yeah, it is. It is funny, isn't it.
It's like once you find a way in, it's almost
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like everyone always talks about a bottleneck, like in traffic,
how everything squeezes and then it's a mess. But finding
a way into a Character's kind of like the reverse.
It's like you have to go in the skinny end
of the funnel, and once you find the opening, it
just opens on the other end. Yes, and that's so interesting,
thank you. It's that's Teresaphia. Yeah. But to hear you
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say the thing about oh yeah, I remember Anthony Hopkins
Hannibal Lector, he had the thing with the brother and
you go done, and and that's the opening. You're right,
and then you get to make up everything on the
other side of it, once you find a little nugget
of reality. It's it's also not lost on me if
I may, because I'm sure people at home are like,
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we know you love Matt, but this is weird that
you guys are gushing about Derek like it. I think
it has helped us process the intensity of this episode,
and you know, the violence and the episode is essentially
every nightmare anyone who ever grew up watching like you know,
Law and Order, SPU or Dateline or any of these
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things has ever had. Oh yeah, you know, it's it's
such a fear and I and I think we I
think we cling to the positive that we gleaned from it,
which is our friendship with you, because if we really
look at what was happening to this teenage girl and
then you know, by association her friend, it's so dark
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and it's so scary, and it's it's hard to know
what to say about that. So I guess that's a
really roundabout way of saying thank you for being you
and not some actual creep who came to play this part,
because if you had been a creepy dude, we would
have been broken forever, forever, right, Well, like we're all
the same boat. Like I'm not an advocate for violence,
and I don't even I don't even love watching a
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lot of movies and things that are like hardcore. That way,
it kind of like FEI hurts my soul a bit,
you know, even even though it's fiction. Right, But I
if you were to frame our our storyline in this
show about kind of the resilience that you guys had,
I mean I always thought there was sort of a
positive message around you know, how your characters grew and change,
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because that's what that's what stories are about. Um, you know,
with this kind of villain role that I played, Um,
I don't know. I've had a surprising I've had a
surprising number of young women come up and let me
know that they had been sexually assaulted and that the
aftermath of this storyline and the girls coming together to
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process it was incredibly helpful for them. And that was
really kind of confusing for me because we didn't have
social media when this episode came out, there was no
instant feedback, so to hear that feedback years later. It's
not that I ever felt shame about this storyline, but
it's because it is sexual assault and it's treated in
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a way that's very like horror movie of the week.
Kind of I felt nervous about it. But the feedback
I've gotten is that it was helpful. And I think
being able to articulate feelings for the fan base and
give them words and give them a reference and like
something to point to is an important part of our job.
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And so you helped, you by being such a bad guy,
help some women process what the aftermath can be. You
know how you can keep going. You know what you
just made me realize to Hill is that so much
of the trauma that Peyton experiences has been witnessed before,
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and because like she's gone through so much alone, has
and has hidden. And it's actually really interesting that this
whole Derek storyline, you know, with you coming in Matt
and then Earnest being real Derek and being a witness
for Peyton, and then on prom night, you know, Brook
winding up in the basement and then then being able
to talk about it. It almost strikes me that it's
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the Derek storyline that illuminates for viewers that you can
only process trauma by opening it up, by getting help,
by speaking to someone, whether it's a professional or a friend.
You know, obviously we talk a lot on this podcast
about how we're proponents of mental healthcare and therapy, but
I had never thought about it that way until you
said that that that we get to really have an
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experience with Peyton where she is processing a trauma instead
of doing what so many shows do, okay of the week,
like it's all over, we wrap it up with a blow,
and then we never talk about it again. And that's
really profound. We made it too. I always thought that
was that was part of the profound message of it.
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And you know that low quote like the strength of
the wolf is the pack. The strength of the pack
is the wolf, And how you said we don't we
knew this if it's like we need each other and
we're better together, especially your your best friend, like you
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have you had a chance to play a lot of
villains since then? I feel like I feel like from
the first ten years of my life I played villains.
Kind of feel like you did? At right? Yeah? Did you, like,
what did you learn about because of the empathy you
have to have for your character? And like, how I
guess what have you learned about people? And how has
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that affected your daily interactions with I don't know, just
people who feel like villains to you in your life.
You know, I've always thought like, I'm not a very
judgmental person, and because I think we're all like you said,
we're all human. We all come in this world. We're
all kind of beautiful, right, perfect creatures that in some
way are conditioned or we're I'm granted, we do have
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the own responsibility. I'm not saying we don't, but I
do think that everyone's human and we all bleed, and
so I think, you know, it forced you to want
to see the humanity and people and maybe just compassion
is the good word, right understanding. Um, again, there's consequences
and people have to own it. But I remember, yeah,
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I remember having a friend when I was young once
got killed the car wreck by a driver who was drinking.
And it was like that that young man made a
bad mistake, but you know he wasn't a horrible human.
This is but psychoederic, But I think, like you know,
he was probably a beautiful human a lot of ways
that made a very very bad decision. I just thought,
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you know, people can't be judged by this one. I
don't know, kind of singular framework. I don't know if
I went, but yeah, yeah, it's that. The idea that
I always come back to is you're so much more
than the worst thing you've ever done, right, Yeah, And
I think within that framework, it's really interesting to you know,
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as as Deb encourages Haley too in this episode, it's
really interesting to find grace for people and the mistakes
they've made along the way, and the versions of themselves
they've they've you know, tried on and and then moved
on from as they evolve. That's natural life, right, It's humanity.
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We grow. Nobody's perfect, and if you are, you've never
gone outside. Like, I don't know what to say, right,
but you know, I also think it's really interesting to
figure out how to extend that kind of grace to
people and yourself and figure out how to create boundaries
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as an individual and as a society to say, like, yeah,
but if if you cross so far outside the boundary,
consequences have to change. Speaking of like real life implications,
of this stuff. Right, I'm friends with the guy that
lives in Peyton Sawyer's house, okay, and he had a
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baby when we were filming the show. And that baby
is now like a senior in high school. She might
be going to college, but she's been in high school
for the last few years. And they had no idea
what we filmed in this episode because that basement set
was built on stage. We didn't shoot that in the house.
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It does it doesn't even like have a basement. I
don't think it has a basement at all. Doesn't it
have an attic. It's not like houses in Wilmington have
like crawl spaces, a lot of historic rings too much there,
you can't have basements. Yeah, they knew that, Like we
did some stuff on the stairway because I think there
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were some dings in the woodwork because they leave, they
go stay in a hotel when we filmed this stuff.
So when this episode came out and they saw what
happened in their quote unquote home, were like horrified. They're
just like what is this? And so as their daughter
grows up and knows that she lives in the Peyton's
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her house and starts watching the show, is like, what
the hell are you talking about. Fans used to creep
around the house to go and see in the basement window,
which I think, right, what do you remember about that
basement set? Because it was they built that like overnight.
It was insane and so beautiful job it really did,
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you know what. I had a moment watching you guys
in that first scene before I come in and you
have all the lights set up, and I was like, Okay,
I know this is creepy, but those lights are gorgeous.
One moment where I was like, Wow, the lighting department
really made something. If this wasn't so gross, it would
be romantic. Yeah. I remember trying to make sure I
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had all my lines down. I think we shot We
shot a lot of that in like a day or two, right,
So it was just like NonStop. It was doing play.
You had so much to say it was and you
was rats man, it was like a play. Wasn't that fun?
I just remember I remember that too, Like as as
dark as those scenes were, like you just have to
kind of like said play as an actor. And I
had so much fun with it. And yeah, I get
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self conscious about it because to your point, you and
I had fun when soap came down to the party,
we had fun, Like the three of us were having
a really good time doing something so heightened and weird
that it as we're talking about it as grown ups,
it makes me nervous that we're dismissing the subject matter.
But it really is the only way you get through it, though,
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isn't it likely long hours and really intense emotions. You
kind of have to mess with yourself in that way
and you have to find a way out. Like I've
never been on a set where dirtier jokes are told
than SPU because you need a break, like everybody is.
Everybody there has like slapstick comedy down like nowhere I've
ever been. It's so fun to work there, and it
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has to be because the subject matter is so dark
that if you only focus on subject matter, you'll die.
And I think that this episode was a lot like
that for us, Like Hill, when you talk about how
fun it was, I remember part of what was so
much fun with you guys, you know, coming down to
the basement, was that this entire episode essentially was stunt choreography.
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So even though the subject matter was horrible, the three
of us were dancing all day, Like we were doing choreography,
we were doing daves and things and and so, and
like when we would get something right, like like Hillary
when you had to like slap me and then punch me.
Like when we landed that punch, we all were like,
oh yeah, everybody was like screaming, like it looked so good.
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And so it gave us it did. It gave us
some levity. And I think all the physicality was what
kind of protected our brains from the mental and emotional
side of the subject matter getting too intense to embody.
Because that's a gnarly place to be for three days.
Is at seventeen hours a day, you know, that's too
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much for a little human. I would have asked you
this back then if I had been a smarter actor
years ago. But like, because you guys are doing that
show every day of the week for for years, and
so when you're that seems kind of a departure in tone,
you could say, from a lot of stuff. So do
you approach it? Do you approach it differently? Or does
it feel like just another Tuesday where you're you're an
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actor going no, no, it felt totally different. And we
had worked with Tom Wright this director on other episodes
that weren't this, you know, so this felt totally totally different. Um,
and I was excited because Peyton got to do that
like psycho turn with Derek. But I'm telling you, Matt,
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we were watching those scenes back and I'm like, Matt,
Matt made out like I have zero Yeah, yeah, I
bit him him and I'm amazing with him. That's right.
It was Listen. I'm sorry. I think I probably thought
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it was a like a like this a psycho choice,
this is a crazy I loved that Peyton took that
term in the episode. It was so satisfying. Yeah. And
then and I think right after that when you bet,
it's like Derek looked so betrayed by you, you know
about grounding it. He was just like, how could you
do this to me? You know? I trusted that speech? Oh, Peton,
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like you're so disappointed. There was a moment there where
you saw like the psycho Peyton and the psycho Derek,
and it felt very like Natural Born Killers, and it
was like, well, it'd be a spin off, like is
this the thing that breaks Peyton Sawyer finally and she
just becomes his you know. Briana Frankenstein Um, that could
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have been a fun little twist, that's right for a month. Yeah,
for a little bit of that arc there was they
were like well matched fighters in the ring, you know. Yeah,
both both there when when they were on the offensive
and their own wise you know, because for whatever set
off your character, Peyton certainly had a whole basket of
crap that could have set her off as well. It
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is feasible that they both could go dark. Um, because
that stuff was fun, Like I remember who were getting
to do that and and thinking like like Peyton's never
gonna get an opportunity to do that again, Like let's
let's enjoy this sandwich because it's the only thing to
do it. Yeah, yeah, you do you kind of yeah,
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you're right. I'm never thinking like I might never work
again after this because everyone's but um, it is like
I said, it does sound kind of morbid, but like
it just was. So it's it's like playful. You're it's opportuned, right,
and like from action to cut you kind of lease
yourself in it because like someone said, like a horror
movie there, it's ridiculous us because it's like a tennis
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ball or a fake monster. But you have so for
those for those you know that two minute take, you
are one hundred percent this is real, you know, so yeah, yeah,
and we had to make some dorky things real. Okay,
so good, right when Peyton guns and hides in her
bedroom and puts on the boxing gloves and then proceed
(28:22):
like baby punch Derek until he headbutzer, we're sitting here
cringing because we're like, who gets up out of being
tied in their basement and puts on boxing gloves? I
loved it funny then to have you like but then
the chair campline is just oh yeah, so funny coming
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down coming down the stairs at the bottom of that pyramid,
like they're so in it. We had to take it
so so seriously. But I buy it though, I totally
buy it in a total moment of panic, and you
just you say the first thing that comes to your mind,
that's improv that's like and we do that in life,
you know, when you're pushed to your furthest limit. Sometimes
(29:05):
it's just like, there's the boxing gloves. I know how
to use those. I'm about to use them and put
my gloves on all nine one, don't be crazy? Yeah,
who's going for the phone. You know, you know what
lines alway stuck on me. I've always wanted to, like hi,
incept it in other roles throughout my whole career, which
is they always lunge because I and then my face
(29:26):
and it's like, ah, I just it's kind of perfect,
you know, they always Well, it was the one moment
of acknowledged camp in the scene, you know, like Scary
movie did that so well, where on affairs would be like,
oh no, I guess I'll go up the stairs, not
out the front door. You know, like they would acknowledge
(29:46):
how ridiculous horror movies were. And I liked that we
in a grounded way acknowledged like he's gonna wake up.
They always wake up. But it was it. We had
earned it at that moment, you know, Yeah, hey everyone,
it's Dean Unglert and Kaylan Miller Keys and Jared Hey,
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mean you're newlyweds. I am not a newlywed anymore. Yeah,
I'm curious if I sucked at being a newlywed. I
don't think so. I mean I made it to the altar,
and I am so happy to be joining you guys.
I can't wait to talk about relationships, marriage, and just
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I'm so excited to be hosting a podcast with my
soon to be wife and of course my best friend Jared.
How's it going to make you feel working together? Now?
You guys live together, we're together, gonna get married. Yeah,
it'll be interesting. You thinking to get tired of each other? Absolutely? Yes.
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to podcasts. I also just love hearing you say you
thought you might never work again because people would hate
you so much because all you do is work. And
you're like looking into us from one of your Cowboys shows.
Where are you? What are you working on? Tell the
(31:57):
people where they can find Sweet Matt because Psychoederic is gone.
It's funny. I am in my uncle's like Western room,
so you think I'm on my set, but yeah, I've
been in Santa Fe doing a show Walker Independence, which
I love him. It's um it's a prequel to the
Walker Texas Rangers story, and h takes place in you know,
(32:17):
the late eighteen hundreds and this kind of small emerging
town called Independence, Texas, and these these kind of colorful,
eclectic characters and diverse characters, which is pretty cool that
that live there and I play an outlaw there. He
is eight year old me is very uh, very happy
to go to work every day. I love it. You
(32:40):
were you were so good in Hatfield McCoy's and I
remember watching it with my husband and being like I
know him, and my husband be like, you don't know him,
and I'm like no, seriously, like we know him, and
we had like a very intimate storyline together and we're friends,
and he was like, Okay, good stories. I love for
(33:00):
him to watch this at some point because, yeah, what
you proved yourself as a cowboy in that, and now,
I mean, you're just living every boy's dream right now
and just on a horse being I feel like, yeah,
I remember I remember doing a seating in Hatfields and
I'm I'm like riding through a little ravine with Kevin
(33:21):
Costner and a bunch of guys and that like director
says cut and he runs over. He's like, Matt, you're
just grinning, like you're you know, like your brother was murder.
What are you doing? And I was like, I'm sorry,
I'm just so happy right now. I'm having the best time.
I'll stop. Stop. You're like, it's not a conscious choice,
I promise, sorry, Kevin, Yeah, yeah, no, I do. I
(33:44):
mean I guess you know, I was you know, every
text and it's to be a cowboy. So it's it's
pretty funny to live here. I mean, you guys, you
pursued your dreams and do you love? And you got
to use that little slice of Texas in this episode
because when Derrek reveals that he's the one that called
Peyton pending, I forgot that. I did. I forgot that.
(34:04):
That's right, That's how I was creepy. Bro. Yeah. Yeah,
for like six episodes, we've been like, uh, well that's
been jared up. Yeah. You want a funny little tidbit,
here's something for all the viewers. Like remember when at
the end of episode whenever, whenever I I I appear
at the door to take you to prom and I
(34:24):
just punched, right, I remember, like I hit the mat
box And for those people who don't know, it's like
this little metal they goes around the camera. It's like
a little thin metal thing and I so I hit
my head. It was no big deal, but it kind
of bled. But like to this day, I had this
scar right here, and I hadn't thought about that, and
I was watching that scene. I was like, that's when
I got that scar right here, when I funny Apple
(34:48):
Hillary and I ran into the camera and cut my face.
Oh god, yeah, I'm like trying to stop bleeding and stuff.
And I was like, that's right. You were so sweet
because you're like a guest star, so you're like, no,
I don't want to hold camera and Mat It's okay.
Your face is bleeding, babe, is it. I'm gonna use it.
Let's use it make an art. I love the duality
(35:09):
of you know, that last episode for fifteen begins with
Peyton punching Brook. That's like the beginning party. The episode
right ends with Psychoderic punching Peyton, and those bookends were
really effective. It was right. Yeah, it's violence, man, it's
a lot of violence. You know again, I just thought, y'all,
(35:33):
y'all's kind of fight like confrontation scenes in the front
yard where those were really well done. Those are just
really really wonderful scenes. I hadn't watched those in years.
Oh my god. Well, so, yeah, when's the last time
you revisited any of this? Well, I I think I
mentioned I saw you guys, I'm engaged, and so I
was showing. I don't think I was showing. She was
(35:56):
looking up scenes. She's like, you know, what have you
been in? And I was like, well, some people are
remember me from this show, and so she was like what.
So it's fun watching her watch Psychoderic kind of like here,
but that's such a weird feeling when you see your
partner in a role Like I was pregnant with our
son before I watched my husband in The Watchman and
(36:18):
he's a bad man. Yeah, he's like a rapist and
hits women and does terrible things. And I'm sitting there
pregnant with our child, like who is this person? You
see a face that you love and then you're just like,
oh god, this is atrocious. Um. Was she a little
(36:38):
reserved with you? Was she reserved with you after watching
you a Psychoderic? Was she a little quiet at dinner
that night? She was a little bit quiet? Yeah? Yeah,
I think I ate on on her side of the
bed for a couple of nights. Yeah, but but yeah, no,
it's because, yeah, you know, as your families have grown
(36:58):
and you guys have gotten married, a thing what do
your communities feel about one tree? That's kind of a
broad question, but like this is such a big part
of culture and it traveled the world, and so what's
it been like weird? Well, Hilary and I laugh because
our husbands have never seen the show never And Tyler
Hilton sent one of his like merch hats to us
(37:20):
and it's this embroidered hat that says, I've never seen
one tree hill. And one day Grant Grant grabbed a
hat to like go out for a run and he
comes home from Griffith Park and he was like training
for a race. He's done like ten miles and he
walks in the door and he goes, I ran around
the whole park wearing this hat, and he was like
so embarrassed, and I was like, but you have never
seen it, so it would be fine if somebody saw
(37:42):
you wearing that at right, It's kind of hilarious. It's
weird that a new generation is into it, and as
my Joy and I have kids that are in middle school, Like,
as our kids get older and more of their friends
are aware of it or it just is something that
like enters their conversations. Um, this is the kind of
(38:02):
subject matter that I'm like, oh god, I just never
thought about being a parent when we filmed this stuff.
Like God, when my son sees mean bite your face, Like,
that's gonna be a weird day. Ye do your kids?
Do kids industed school? Like what? Like Maria, I think
is too. I don't know. She's the kids are that
(38:22):
are watching TV or not watching One Tree Hill at
eleven and twelve right now, and you know they're you know,
people who are picking it up for a little bit older, right, Yeah, yeah,
it's there are some young ones, but they have like
older siblings. They have like a seventeen year sibling that
has introduced them to it, and it's more of just
a novelty like that lady is at the supermarket. Yeah right,
(38:43):
she's an actress, right, But I don't think they know yet. No,
they haven't watched it. You know, over the years, how
many how many men have come up to me that
we're you know, I'm you guys this all time. So
you know, my my wife or girlfriend started One Tree
Hill and then we and it's my favorite show. You know,
I watched allasons and we did it over two weeks
and we were obsessed. So it's pretty cool. So you
(39:05):
still get recognized from the show all the time. Yeah,
you know, I was. I was there for just such
a moment in time with with you guys. But it's
amazing how that How that's you know, I've been all
over the world several continents, and people talk about it.
You know, yeah, people to that point. You guys, we
know that we're eventually going to find out some Derek
(39:27):
back story as a means of softening some of his behavior. Um.
Not that that's right. You know, bad guys are bad guys, um,
and we don't need to validate sexual assault. But I
think that you were so beloved by the cast and
crew of this show that they wanted to humanize Derek
in a way so that when you did go away,
(39:48):
it wasn't just um right, if you could have played
any other male character on our show that was around
for much longer, Like if we done to keep you
for longer, is there a role that you're like I
could have done that would have been Oh man, what
what I wanted to do? That's that's a great question.
(40:09):
I always as I as jealous of Um, well, I
wanted I wanted uh Lee Nurse's uh sweet Um endearing charm. Yeah,
mouth mouth is like you know, you'll you'll love mouth forever.
I think you who who gives the note? I think
Antoine told him that one of these episodes. He's like,
he's like, you know, on my tombstone, there's gonna be
(40:29):
you know, like friend and he's like it's gonna be
a full funeral because everyone loves you or something like that. Yeah,
I love I love that line. I wanted to end
Antoine's swag. Yeah. Yeah, he's so cool in the world.
It's like I need my kids to like hang out
with him and be like, this is confident. M hm um.
I don't know that's that. That's a good question. You
(40:51):
would have been a rivercourt boy then? Yeah, how was that?
By the way, when you guys all got together with
there was a basketball game. I saw How cool was that? Yeah,
there was a convention in Wilmington, and those things are
so nice because it's like, I don't know that any
other show gets the opportunity to go back to the
place that they filmed and be with all of their
(41:12):
casting crew, because a lot of the crew shows up
as well, and be with the fan base in the
places where we filmed like that's a really rare experience. Yeah,
it's trippy. Man. Sometimes you feel like you're at your
own funeral when you're at a convention because everyone's like,
you met so much to me, and you're like, I'm
still I'm still kicking y'all. Y'all might have nuts you.
(41:36):
I remember being a woman's in to film another show
years later for like, you know, a year, let's say it.
I just mirror like it felt like the ghost of
Like I was like, oh my god, this is where
this and this is the court and this is the
house and you know, I think those where you lived. Hillary.
It was like, oh yeah, I remember all these memories.
It's very really very special, you know. So it's cool.
What are some dreams as an actor for you, like
(41:58):
in the future when you look at types of characters
you want to play or projects you want to be
a part of. What's what excite you? That's a great
that's such a great question. Um. I love I love
true stories and I love reading. So you know, just
different different different types of nonfiction. You know, I love
periods or rather civil war you know. Um, you know,
(42:20):
I love I love World War two. Um, you know,
different stories. So I'm but but my my biggest dream
is I always have loved you know this might be
surprised people, but like like I love, um, I love
romance movies. I love like rom coms. Oh my god, yeah,
like like great love stories like I want to I
(42:41):
want to do another great love story about you know,
you know you are so Nicholas Sparks. I can't you
need to shoot a movie here in the outer Banks
and sweep someone up in some you know, dune mass.
I will go to a rom com with you anytime.
I spent my entire hall at a break just jamming
(43:02):
through the Julia Robertson Hugh Grant catalog. I am brimming
with rum comm entergy right now. So we don't we
don't make them. I think, I know and why they're
the best movies I know, and I think like everyone
loves them and they're just inspiring and it's it's the
opposite of yeah, tied someone up in the basement happened,
(43:22):
I was Here's this is gonna sound so inappropriate. But
I'm a big girl, Like I'm a tall girl, and
no one ever, um, I'm not an easy girl to
pick up and see Derek like like put his arm
around Peyton's waist and pick her up right in the chair.
There is a part of that where I was like,
(43:43):
oh gosh, like, apply to a romantic setting hot, appet
not hot. I want you to take the skill set
you have and apply it to a hot scenario. Yeah,
that's what needs to happen. Into it, very into it.
Yeah that's right. Oh my gosh, Matt, thank you. So
m yes, all right, we're going to find Joy's friends
(44:08):
with Nicholas Sparks. Joy, you got to find the right
Nicholas Sparks book for Matt to be the lead man. Yeah, Matt,
thank you. You're such a pleasure. You're such a joy.
Do you want to spin a wheel with us? Great? Guy? Okay, great,
let's do it. We like to do superlatives, so we
do them most likely to every week, and we spin
(44:29):
a wheel and we find out, oh, who is the
most likely to take all of their and your secrets
to the grave. We have to pick character. Ye're no,
it's just anybody from the show, So any cast member
really like real person, and then any character We picked
(44:51):
one of each, so most likely to take your secrets
to the grave. M I feel like I mean, Hillary,
I tell you all my secrets. Yeah, like I love.
In this episode, Mouth has told Shelley like, you know,
just like an episode ago, he's like, I'm not gonna
(45:13):
tell anybody we had sex. Never tell anybody had sex.
And then in this episode he tells Rachel like right away,
We're like, Mouth, you weren't supposed to do that, man, Um,
I think the character that would take your secrets to
the grave. Wow, we've got this little creepy cell phone
situation with Alison Scagliotti in the hallways. She's been keeping
(45:34):
some secrets. Oh my goodness, what do you think, Matt,
who's gonna keep your secrets? I would say to you, Hillary,
I think I think I think you would ride and
die with those with those secrets, I can neither confirm
nor deny because of my I'm just gonna sit on everything.
I'll write a book about that when we're really old.
(45:55):
Like that was the big complaint when I put out
Rural Diaries, as people are like, there's nothing about one
tree hill in here, and I'm like, yeah, because I
have to keep that the secret. Sorry. Kids, you're like
the thing called a pact? Yeah right, Matt, Okay, will
(46:16):
you let me know when you're visiting your fiance in
New York, and we'll go. We'll go start some rumors.
People will be like SoC jerks on the sidewalk. Oh
my god, we must. Let's stir up some stirrups from trouble.
Let's break the internet. That would be great. Let's do it, Matt, great,
Thanks for having all right, bye, Harley by, have a
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Welcome back to part two of this prom party. We're
still dressed up. We're still dressed up, Listen, We've kept
our crowns on. We're really leaning. In episode four sixteen,
you call it madness, but I call it love. The
original airdate May second, twenty seven, It will be an
(00:44):
unforgettable prom at tree Hill High when Lucas discovers who
was in the hallway when Keith was killed. Meanwhile, Peyton's
decision to skip the prom leads to dire consequences. Nathan
and Haley vow to be romantic teenagers, while Dan tries
to win Karen's affections and the witness to his murder
closes in. This episode was directed by our favorite Tom Wright,
(01:07):
and we have another one of our favorites here for
part two. Matt Barr aka Psycho Derek, who, if you
were with us on tour, you learned is the sweetest
man off screen, sweet compliment, a terror. On screen, we
call him sweet Matt. Hi, honey, Hi guys, thanks for
having me back. I love you, We love having you here. Right.
(01:30):
You are the nightmare fuel for every teenage girl in
America that watched this ship Matt, Like, remember, yeah, I
think I was like in China once and someone said
that to me and I thought, wow, that that really
made it a cross fie. Wow, because you're such You're
a handsome dude, and you're sweet, and there is nothing
about you that screams red flag. So then when when
(01:53):
this all unfolds and you are horrendous in this basis, Yeah,
you're you're so unhinged. I just rewatched it. It's actually
creepier than I even remember it. You know. It's like
it's so dark, like I don't remember any kind of
trauma in my childhood, but man, it's you in this
(02:13):
episode are the reason that, like, when I'm home alone
at night, I don't want to look out the windows,
like I'm so scared that a face like Psychoderic's face
is going to be on the other side of the glass,
and every we were sitting here watching the episode, and
we were just every other second we were like, oh god, oh, no, no, oh,
just feeling at the screen. How how does a person
(02:37):
who is as kind as you are? I mean, listen,
you're an actor. Our job is to embody people, good, bad, ugly,
everything in between. Right, How how did you figure out
how to make this person a person that you could inhabit?
And was it uncomfortable to do on set? Like what's
(02:59):
your world? Because it was really hard for us to watch.
I think, you know, I mean you guys knows his actors, Like,
I think sometimes the further the departure, sometimes the easier
it is to kind of take that leap. You know,
playing yourself is kind of scary and you know it's
just to be organic on camera. So I think sometimes
those kind of radical choices are easier just to like
I said, just to like, you know, base jump off
(03:22):
the cliff and so if you go for it. But
I M so many actors overdo it like there's there's
you know what I mean, Like you you managed to
make it so realistic and believable, which is what makes
it so scary. Well, also, it feels like a real
psychotic break Matt like it. It doesn't feel like mustache twirling.
(03:45):
It feels like this is a boy who suffered some
pretty horrific abuse and is now inflicting it on someone else.
And you made it real in a way that I
think elevates the fear factor. Were there were there movies,
because you know, I remember them telling us, They're like,
this is your shot, kids, You're doing a horror film
this week. Were there movies that you watched? He You're like,
(04:07):
this is a bad guy that I can you know,
use as a model for what I'm going to turn
Ian into. Right, Yeah, there were And I'm trying to
remember what it was during that time, but I remember
thinking all that great villains sort of there they whatever
they're doing, they think there's a nobility to it, you know.
And so you know, and like I said, rather it's
(04:28):
paint where wherever that motivation comes from. Maybe it's trauma
or pain, you know, Like I thought, if we grounded
Derek and it's like he really needed this, and you know,
he was this this obsession for Peyton was grounded in
some kind of for him real thing and so the audience,
like you said, it becomes real. It's not the mustache
twirling villain. It's it's like a really um, it's a
(04:50):
very sick young man. And I not that we sympathize
with him, but I think then, but the more you
grounded that, that's almost an interesting part for a minute.
If you're thinking, like, man, I always feel bad for
how how you have to how can you how can
you play your character the most effectively? And that's to
care the most about your character. You have to you
(05:10):
have to defend your character to the death, like care
the most about them more than anybody else. And even
if your character is an intense psychopath, um, you have
to know why. You have to believe that, really deep down,
there's a reason and they're just they deserve it and
there's something good and you know, because that's real. That's
what happens to humans, you know, not characters. That's what happens.
(05:34):
Does I really like the I like the fact that
you're willing you know, you're right. It's an intense example.
But when you really compare someone like a Derek to
some of the worst historical villains, and then you as
an actor, say, even if this character I've been asked
to play, is this evil? How do I, solely as
(05:56):
the person who has to inhabit him, how do I
humanize him? How do I give him a motivation? And
that's what I think is really jarring about watching it.
You know, to everyone else's point, it doesn't feel like
mutch mustache twirling. It doesn't feel like a caricature. You
managed to ground something real in him. And it's interesting
(06:19):
that you use the word need, like he needs this.
You gave it a reality, which I think is why
it feels so scary. It's almost easier to dismiss a boogeyman.
It's a lot harder to dismiss, you know. You think
about all these crazy stories we watch on dateline, Like
it's harder to dismiss the hockey coach who you find
(06:41):
out has been like murdering kids. You're like, oh, but
that's a real thing. Like the scary person who you
who feels larger than life, it's easier for your mind
to go, well, that's not really going to happen. And
you brought something into this character that made it feel
so real that I think it's why it's haunted all
of us for so long. So as an actor, well done. Yes,
(07:07):
Do you have interactions with people that you feel that like,
are are that sort of like the real life villain?
And are there do you know what I mean? Like,
what are the what are the things that you draw
out that you're like, oh, yeah, this is a real No.
I mean, I've had to talk to killers on the
phone and people you know have done horrible things and
you just have to talk to them on the phone
(07:27):
because that's your job, and sometimes you talk to them
in real life. It's it really freaks me out. Have
you discovered anything in terms of like this, they're so normality,
They're so normal. Yeah, that's what I mean, right, Like
it seems totally normal, like the hockey coach that like
you're saying, so they're so normal. And the thing that
(07:48):
I think that was really effective about your performance, Matt
that I probably didn't notice in the moment, but I'm
noticing now as a viewer with hindsight, um the way
Derek enters Peyton and his concern for her, the speech
that he gives to Peyton in the basement, where he's like,
you were going to sleep with Lucas tonight, honey, and
(08:09):
I just could not let you make that mistake, like
he has been working with you and I can't let
you do that. In his brain, this is all an
act of love. I am going to save you from
making a decision that's going to hurt you. And that
was the part for me as a viewer where I
was like, like, yeah, is it about him? Think he
(08:34):
I think he was watching you and Brooke fight in
the yard too, right, Yeah, you know your your best
friend betrayed you, which was which was valid? You know? Yeah,
And that's it, right, That's where you see the break
is a person who would say, I can't believe this
person did that to you. We we hate her, you know.
You even see it with Rachel. I love Shelley. I've
(08:54):
always hated Shelley. She turns with mouth, you know, when
when he tells her in the last episode that are
not going to problem together. It is a very normal
turn that in the mind of someone who's having an
episode of mental illness or who's had a psychotic break
goes from you don't like Brooke, I don't like Brooke
to Brooke broke your heart. Let's gutter like a fish
(09:16):
and you're like, oh, dear, like we've we're no longer
on a plane of reality, and it's it's it's inspiring
to Hillary's point watching it now in hindsight, because you
were able to toggle between normal human emotion and psychotic
(09:37):
response in a way that, as you said, yes he's
the villain. Yes, we're all terrified of him, and weirdly,
now maybe it's just because we all, you know, produced
direct Like I look at you as an actor and
I'm like, you made me sympathize with him kind of
though I want him to go to jail forever. But
this poor baby, what happened to him, What happened to
(09:59):
him to make him this way? Yeah, it's gnarly. And
so I want to hear from you because we're gonna
gush about you for you know, another thirty. I love
doing this podcast. This is great. Yeah, yeah, anytime you
need tell you. I mean, we thought they had killed you.
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And so for all of you at home, the fact
that they brought Derek back, or Ian or whatever your
character's name is, right, the fact that they brought you
back is a testament to how lovely you were, because
nobody else would have been brought back, but they bent
over backwards. To figure out a way to keep you
for longer. Right? Did you know about that during your
(10:45):
first chunk of time on the show. I didn't. I
don't think that was planned. I don't know if I
don't think Mark right, I'm not sure the writers as
far as I know, maybe, y'all you definitely need more
than I did, probably, but I don't remember that. I
remember that kind of being a one off thing those
first four episodes, and then forget when that call came,
but I remember Harry and they were going to kind
of pull Brooke and Peyton apart, and that this sort
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of served a purpose the you know, um, you know,
you're not you guys again in a very exciting way.
But I'm glad I thought, um, like you said it,
Like you said there, there's a way they ground it.
If you when you first heard this pitch for the season,
it would sound kind of ridiculous, I think, you know,
because tree Hill is a very real place. And yeah,
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some things are sensationalized because it's a television show, but
it's a very grounded show. And then it's it probably
sounded it still does sound ridiculous, but I think we
made it. We made it a real kind of um,
you know, a real a real drama and a you know,
in a real talent. You made it a real experience. Yeah,
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you know, it's not just a story that people were watching.
We all felt the experience of terror as a unit.
Had you done like a horror film before? How had
you practiced this? That's when you haven't. Yeah, I don't,
I don't. I wonder where the dark. Like I said,
I think there's a way where you just like, you know,
it's it's easier to take a leap. It's sort of
just a far departure from yourself because I like, you know,
(12:10):
you guys know me, I really am, you know, I'm
I mean I remember when my little brother was born
as a kid, I hated him so ready to share
bunk beds. So I think I was channeling that like
a bunk beds, like like Anthony Hopkins playing lecters like
it was all about the little brother and the bunk
bed thing. But yeah, it is. It is funny, isn't it.
It's like once you find a way in, it's almost
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like everyone always talks about a bottleneck, like in traffic,
how everything squeezes and then it's a mess. But finding
a way into a Character's kind of like the reverse.
It's like you have to go in the skinny end
of the funnel, and once you find the opening, it
just opens on the other end. Yes, and that's so interesting,
thank you. It's that's Teresaphia. Yeah. But to hear you
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say the thing about oh yeah, I remember Anthony Hopkins
Hannibal Lector, he had the thing with the brother and
you go done, and and that's the opening. You're right,
and then you get to make up everything on the
other side of it, once you find a little nugget
of reality. It's it's also not lost on me if
I may, because I'm sure people at home are like,
(13:13):
we know you love Matt, but this is weird that
you guys are gushing about Derek like it. I think
it has helped us process the intensity of this episode,
and you know, the violence and the episode is essentially
every nightmare anyone who ever grew up watching like you know,
Law and Order, SPU or Dateline or any of these
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things has ever had. Oh yeah, you know, it's it's
such a fear and I and I think we I
think we cling to the positive that we gleaned from it,
which is our friendship with you, because if we really
look at what was happening to this teenage girl and
then you know, by association her friend, it's so dark
(13:55):
and it's so scary, and it's it's hard to know
what to say about that. So I guess that's a
really roundabout way of saying thank you for being you
and not some actual creep who came to play this part,
because if you had been a creepy dude, we would
have been broken forever, forever, right, Well, like we're all
the same boat. Like I'm not an advocate for violence,
and I don't even I don't even love watching a
(14:16):
lot of movies and things that are like hardcore. That way,
it kind of like FEI hurts my soul a bit,
you know, even even though it's fiction. Right, But I
if you were to frame our our storyline in this
show about kind of the resilience that you guys had,
I mean I always thought there was sort of a
positive message around you know, how your characters grew and change,
(14:37):
because that's what that's what stories are about. Um, you know,
with this kind of villain role that I played, Um,
I don't know. I've had a surprising I've had a
surprising number of young women come up and let me
know that they had been sexually assaulted and that the
aftermath of this storyline and the girls coming together to
(14:58):
process it was incredibly helpful for them. And that was
really kind of confusing for me because we didn't have
social media when this episode came out, there was no
instant feedback, so to hear that feedback years later. It's
not that I ever felt shame about this storyline, but
it's because it is sexual assault and it's treated in
(15:20):
a way that's very like horror movie of the week.
Kind of I felt nervous about it. But the feedback
I've gotten is that it was helpful. And I think
being able to articulate feelings for the fan base and
give them words and give them a reference and like
something to point to is an important part of our job.
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And so you helped, you by being such a bad guy,
help some women process what the aftermath can be. You
know how you can keep going. You know what you
just made me realize to Hill is that so much
of the trauma that Peyton experiences has been witnessed before,
(16:03):
and because like she's gone through so much alone, has
and has hidden. And it's actually really interesting that this
whole Derek storyline, you know, with you coming in Matt
and then Earnest being real Derek and being a witness
for Peyton, and then on prom night, you know, Brook
winding up in the basement and then then being able
to talk about it. It almost strikes me that it's
(16:25):
the Derek storyline that illuminates for viewers that you can
only process trauma by opening it up, by getting help,
by speaking to someone, whether it's a professional or a friend.
You know, obviously we talk a lot on this podcast
about how we're proponents of mental healthcare and therapy, but
I had never thought about it that way until you
said that that that we get to really have an
(16:48):
experience with Peyton where she is processing a trauma instead
of doing what so many shows do, okay of the week,
like it's all over, we wrap it up with a blow,
and then we never talk about it again. And that's
really profound. We made it too. I always thought that
was that was part of the profound message of it.
(17:09):
And you know that low quote like the strength of
the wolf is the pack. The strength of the pack
is the wolf, And how you said we don't we
knew this if it's like we need each other and
we're better together, especially your your best friend, like you
know your your characters, and I always liked framing it
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have you had a chance to play a lot of
villains since then? I feel like I feel like from
the first ten years of my life I played villains.
Kind of feel like you did? At right? Yeah? Did you, like,
what did you learn about because of the empathy you
have to have for your character? And like, how I
guess what have you learned about people? And how has
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that affected your daily interactions with I don't know, just
people who feel like villains to you in your life.
You know, I've always thought like, I'm not a very
judgmental person, and because I think we're all like you said,
we're all human. We all come in this world. We're
all kind of beautiful, right, perfect creatures that in some
way are conditioned or we're I'm granted, we do have
(18:58):
the own responsibility. I'm not saying we don't, but I
do think that everyone's human and we all bleed, and
so I think, you know, it forced you to want
to see the humanity and people and maybe just compassion
is the good word, right understanding. Um, again, there's consequences
and people have to own it. But I remember, yeah,
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I remember having a friend when I was young once
got killed the car wreck by a driver who was drinking.
And it was like that that young man made a
bad mistake, but you know he wasn't a horrible human.
This is but psychoederic, But I think, like you know,
he was probably a beautiful human a lot of ways
that made a very very bad decision. I just thought,
(19:42):
you know, people can't be judged by this one. I
don't know, kind of singular framework. I don't know if
I went, but yeah, yeah, it's that. The idea that
I always come back to is you're so much more
than the worst thing you've ever done, right, Yeah, And
I think within that framework, it's really interesting to you know,
(20:04):
as as Deb encourages Haley too in this episode, it's
really interesting to find grace for people and the mistakes
they've made along the way, and the versions of themselves
they've they've you know, tried on and and then moved
on from as they evolve. That's natural life, right, It's humanity.
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We grow. Nobody's perfect, and if you are, you've never
gone outside. Like, I don't know what to say, right,
but you know, I also think it's really interesting to
figure out how to extend that kind of grace to
people and yourself and figure out how to create boundaries
(20:45):
as an individual and as a society to say, like, yeah,
but if if you cross so far outside the boundary,
consequences have to change. Speaking of like real life implications,
of this stuff. Right, I'm friends with the guy that
lives in Peyton Sawyer's house, okay, and he had a
(21:05):
baby when we were filming the show. And that baby
is now like a senior in high school. She might
be going to college, but she's been in high school
for the last few years. And they had no idea
what we filmed in this episode because that basement set
was built on stage. We didn't shoot that in the house.
(21:27):
It does it doesn't even like have a basement. I
don't think it has a basement at all. Doesn't it
have an attic. It's not like houses in Wilmington have
like crawl spaces, a lot of historic rings too much there,
you can't have basements. Yeah, they knew that, Like we
did some stuff on the stairway because I think there
(21:48):
were some dings in the woodwork because they leave, they
go stay in a hotel when we filmed this stuff.
So when this episode came out and they saw what
happened in their quote unquote home, were like horrified. They're
just like what is this? And so as their daughter
grows up and knows that she lives in the Peyton's
(22:10):
her house and starts watching the show, is like, what
the hell are you talking about. Fans used to creep
around the house to go and see in the basement window,
which I think, right, what do you remember about that
basement set? Because it was they built that like overnight.
It was insane and so beautiful job it really did,
(22:33):
you know what. I had a moment watching you guys
in that first scene before I come in and you
have all the lights set up, and I was like, Okay,
I know this is creepy, but those lights are gorgeous.
One moment where I was like, Wow, the lighting department
really made something. If this wasn't so gross, it would
be romantic. Yeah. I remember trying to make sure I
(22:54):
had all my lines down. I think we shot We
shot a lot of that in like a day or two, right,
So it was just like NonStop. It was doing play.
You had so much to say it was and you
was rats man, it was like a play. Wasn't that fun?
I just remember I remember that too, Like as as
dark as those scenes were, like you just have to
kind of like said play as an actor. And I
had so much fun with it. And yeah, I get
(23:16):
self conscious about it because to your point, you and
I had fun when soap came down to the party,
we had fun, Like the three of us were having
a really good time doing something so heightened and weird
that it as we're talking about it as grown ups,
it makes me nervous that we're dismissing the subject matter.
But it really is the only way you get through it, though,
(23:40):
isn't it likely long hours and really intense emotions. You
kind of have to mess with yourself in that way
and you have to find a way out. Like I've
never been on a set where dirtier jokes are told
than SPU because you need a break, like everybody is.
Everybody there has like slapstick comedy down like nowhere I've
ever been. It's so fun to work there, and it
(24:01):
has to be because the subject matter is so dark
that if you only focus on subject matter, you'll die.
And I think that this episode was a lot like
that for us, Like Hill, when you talk about how
fun it was, I remember part of what was so
much fun with you guys, you know, coming down to
the basement, was that this entire episode essentially was stunt choreography.
(24:22):
So even though the subject matter was horrible, the three
of us were dancing all day, Like we were doing choreography,
we were doing daves and things and and so, and
like when we would get something right, like like Hillary
when you had to like slap me and then punch me.
Like when we landed that punch, we all were like,
oh yeah, everybody was like screaming, like it looked so good.
(24:42):
And so it gave us it did. It gave us
some levity. And I think all the physicality was what
kind of protected our brains from the mental and emotional
side of the subject matter getting too intense to embody.
Because that's a gnarly place to be for three days.
Is at seventeen hours a day, you know, that's too
(25:03):
much for a little human. I would have asked you
this back then if I had been a smarter actor
years ago. But like, because you guys are doing that
show every day of the week for for years, and
so when you're that seems kind of a departure in tone,
you could say, from a lot of stuff. So do
you approach it? Do you approach it differently? Or does
it feel like just another Tuesday where you're you're an
(25:23):
actor going no, no, it felt totally different. And we
had worked with Tom Wright this director on other episodes
that weren't this, you know, so this felt totally totally different. Um,
and I was excited because Peyton got to do that
like psycho turn with Derek. But I'm telling you, Matt,
(25:45):
we were watching those scenes back and I'm like, Matt,
Matt made out like I have zero Yeah, yeah, I
bit him him and I'm amazing with him. That's right.
It was Listen. I'm sorry. I think I probably thought
(26:06):
it was a like a like this a psycho choice,
this is a crazy I loved that Peyton took that
term in the episode. It was so satisfying. Yeah. And
then and I think right after that when you bet,
it's like Derek looked so betrayed by you, you know
about grounding it. He was just like, how could you
do this to me? You know? I trusted that speech? Oh, Peton,
(26:32):
like you're so disappointed. There was a moment there where
you saw like the psycho Peyton and the psycho Derek,
and it felt very like Natural Born Killers, and it
was like, well, it'd be a spin off, like is
this the thing that breaks Peyton Sawyer finally and she
just becomes his you know. Briana Frankenstein Um, that could
(26:52):
have been a fun little twist, that's right for a month. Yeah,
for a little bit of that arc there was they
were like well matched fighters in the ring, you know. Yeah,
both both there when when they were on the offensive
and their own wise you know, because for whatever set
off your character, Peyton certainly had a whole basket of
crap that could have set her off as well. It
(27:14):
is feasible that they both could go dark. Um, because
that stuff was fun, Like I remember who were getting
to do that and and thinking like like Peyton's never
gonna get an opportunity to do that again, Like let's
let's enjoy this sandwich because it's the only thing to
do it. Yeah, yeah, you do you kind of yeah,
(27:38):
you're right. I'm never thinking like I might never work
again after this because everyone's but um, it is like
I said, it does sound kind of morbid, but like
it just was. So it's it's like playful. You're it's opportuned, right,
and like from action to cut you kind of lease
yourself in it because like someone said, like a horror
movie there, it's ridiculous us because it's like a tennis
(28:02):
ball or a fake monster. But you have so for
those for those you know that two minute take, you
are one hundred percent this is real, you know, so yeah, yeah,
and we had to make some dorky things real. Okay,
so good, right when Peyton guns and hides in her
bedroom and puts on the boxing gloves and then proceed
(28:22):
like baby punch Derek until he headbutzer, we're sitting here
cringing because we're like, who gets up out of being
tied in their basement and puts on boxing gloves? I
loved it funny then to have you like but then
the chair campline is just oh yeah, so funny coming
(28:44):
down coming down the stairs at the bottom of that pyramid,
like they're so in it. We had to take it
so so seriously. But I buy it though, I totally
buy it in a total moment of panic, and you
just you say the first thing that comes to your mind,
that's improv that's like and we do that in life,
you know, when you're pushed to your furthest limit. Sometimes
(29:05):
it's just like, there's the boxing gloves. I know how
to use those. I'm about to use them and put
my gloves on all nine one, don't be crazy? Yeah,
who's going for the phone. You know, you know what
lines alway stuck on me. I've always wanted to, like hi,
incept it in other roles throughout my whole career, which
is they always lunge because I and then my face
(29:26):
and it's like, ah, I just it's kind of perfect,
you know, they always Well, it was the one moment
of acknowledged camp in the scene, you know, like Scary
movie did that so well, where on affairs would be like,
oh no, I guess I'll go up the stairs, not
out the front door. You know, like they would acknowledge
(29:46):
how ridiculous horror movies were. And I liked that we
in a grounded way acknowledged like he's gonna wake up.
They always wake up. But it was it. We had
earned it at that moment, you know, Yeah, hey everyone,
it's Dean Unglert and Kaylan Miller Keys and Jared Hey,
butN I'm here. I'm here too, guys, hosts of the
(30:06):
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guess we just don't suck at dating anymore. No, I
mean you're newlyweds. I am not a newlywed anymore. Yeah,
I'm curious if I sucked at being a newlywed. I
don't think so. I mean I made it to the altar,
and I am so happy to be joining you guys.
I can't wait to talk about relationships, marriage, and just
(30:27):
everything in between. It's about time we have someone smart
to join this podcast. It's too long between us. This
young lady's a broadcast journalism major. She knows what she's doing.
I'm so excited to be hosting a podcast with my
soon to be wife and of course my best friend Jared.
How's it going to make you feel working together? Now?
You guys live together, we're together, gonna get married. Yeah,
it'll be interesting. You thinking to get tired of each other? Absolutely? Yes.
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to podcasts. I also just love hearing you say you
thought you might never work again because people would hate
you so much because all you do is work. And
you're like looking into us from one of your Cowboys shows.
Where are you? What are you working on? Tell the
(31:57):
people where they can find Sweet Matt because Psychoederic is gone.
It's funny. I am in my uncle's like Western room,
so you think I'm on my set, but yeah, I've
been in Santa Fe doing a show Walker Independence, which
I love him. It's um it's a prequel to the
Walker Texas Rangers story, and h takes place in you know,
(32:17):
the late eighteen hundreds and this kind of small emerging
town called Independence, Texas, and these these kind of colorful,
eclectic characters and diverse characters, which is pretty cool that
that live there and I play an outlaw there. He
is eight year old me is very uh, very happy
to go to work every day. I love it. You
(32:40):
were you were so good in Hatfield McCoy's and I
remember watching it with my husband and being like I
know him, and my husband be like, you don't know him,
and I'm like no, seriously, like we know him, and
we had like a very intimate storyline together and we're friends,
and he was like, Okay, good stories. I love for
(33:00):
him to watch this at some point because, yeah, what
you proved yourself as a cowboy in that, and now,
I mean, you're just living every boy's dream right now
and just on a horse being I feel like, yeah,
I remember I remember doing a seating in Hatfields and
I'm I'm like riding through a little ravine with Kevin
(33:21):
Costner and a bunch of guys and that like director
says cut and he runs over. He's like, Matt, you're
just grinning, like you're you know, like your brother was murder.
What are you doing? And I was like, I'm sorry,
I'm just so happy right now. I'm having the best time.
I'll stop. Stop. You're like, it's not a conscious choice,
I promise, sorry, Kevin, Yeah, yeah, no, I do. I
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mean I guess you know, I was you know, every
text and it's to be a cowboy. So it's it's
pretty funny to live here. I mean, you guys, you
pursued your dreams and do you love? And you got
to use that little slice of Texas in this episode
because when Derrek reveals that he's the one that called
Peyton pending, I forgot that. I did. I forgot that.
(34:04):
That's right, That's how I was creepy. Bro. Yeah. Yeah,
for like six episodes, we've been like, uh, well that's
been jared up. Yeah. You want a funny little tidbit,
here's something for all the viewers. Like remember when at
the end of episode whenever, whenever I I I appear
at the door to take you to prom and I
(34:24):
just punched, right, I remember, like I hit the mat
box And for those people who don't know, it's like
this little metal they goes around the camera. It's like
a little thin metal thing and I so I hit
my head. It was no big deal, but it kind
of bled. But like to this day, I had this
scar right here, and I hadn't thought about that, and
I was watching that scene. I was like, that's when
I got that scar right here, when I funny Apple
(34:48):
Hillary and I ran into the camera and cut my face.
Oh god, yeah, I'm like trying to stop bleeding and stuff.
And I was like, that's right. You were so sweet
because you're like a guest star, so you're like, no,
I don't want to hold camera and Mat It's okay.
Your face is bleeding, babe, is it. I'm gonna use it.
Let's use it make an art. I love the duality
(35:09):
of you know, that last episode for fifteen begins with
Peyton punching Brook. That's like the beginning party. The episode
right ends with Psychoderic punching Peyton, and those bookends were
really effective. It was right. Yeah, it's violence, man, it's
a lot of violence. You know again, I just thought, y'all,
(35:33):
y'all's kind of fight like confrontation scenes in the front
yard where those were really well done. Those are just
really really wonderful scenes. I hadn't watched those in years.
Oh my god. Well, so, yeah, when's the last time
you revisited any of this? Well, I I think I
mentioned I saw you guys, I'm engaged, and so I
was showing. I don't think I was showing. She was
(35:56):
looking up scenes. She's like, you know, what have you
been in? And I was like, well, some people are
remember me from this show, and so she was like what.
So it's fun watching her watch Psychoderic kind of like here,
but that's such a weird feeling when you see your
partner in a role Like I was pregnant with our
son before I watched my husband in The Watchman and
(36:18):
he's a bad man. Yeah, he's like a rapist and
hits women and does terrible things. And I'm sitting there
pregnant with our child, like who is this person? You
see a face that you love and then you're just like,
oh god, this is atrocious. Um. Was she a little
(36:38):
reserved with you? Was she reserved with you after watching
you a Psychoderic? Was she a little quiet at dinner
that night? She was a little bit quiet? Yeah? Yeah,
I think I ate on on her side of the
bed for a couple of nights. Yeah, but but yeah, no,
it's because, yeah, you know, as your families have grown
(36:58):
and you guys have gotten married, a thing what do
your communities feel about one tree? That's kind of a
broad question, but like this is such a big part
of culture and it traveled the world, and so what's
it been like weird? Well, Hilary and I laugh because
our husbands have never seen the show never And Tyler
Hilton sent one of his like merch hats to us
(37:20):
and it's this embroidered hat that says, I've never seen
one tree hill. And one day Grant Grant grabbed a
hat to like go out for a run and he
comes home from Griffith Park and he was like training
for a race. He's done like ten miles and he
walks in the door and he goes, I ran around
the whole park wearing this hat, and he was like
so embarrassed, and I was like, but you have never
seen it, so it would be fine if somebody saw
(37:42):
you wearing that at right, It's kind of hilarious. It's
weird that a new generation is into it, and as
my Joy and I have kids that are in middle school, Like,
as our kids get older and more of their friends
are aware of it or it just is something that
like enters their conversations. Um, this is the kind of
(38:02):
subject matter that I'm like, oh god, I just never
thought about being a parent when we filmed this stuff.
Like God, when my son sees mean bite your face, Like,
that's gonna be a weird day. Ye do your kids?
Do kids industed school? Like what? Like Maria, I think
is too. I don't know. She's the kids are that
(38:22):
are watching TV or not watching One Tree Hill at
eleven and twelve right now, and you know they're you know,
people who are picking it up for a little bit older, right, Yeah, yeah,
it's there are some young ones, but they have like
older siblings. They have like a seventeen year sibling that
has introduced them to it, and it's more of just
a novelty like that lady is at the supermarket. Yeah right,
(38:43):
she's an actress, right, But I don't think they know yet. No,
they haven't watched it. You know, over the years, how
many how many men have come up to me that
we're you know, I'm you guys this all time. So
you know, my my wife or girlfriend started One Tree
Hill and then we and it's my favorite show. You know,
I watched allasons and we did it over two weeks
and we were obsessed. So it's pretty cool. So you
(39:05):
still get recognized from the show all the time. Yeah,
you know, I was. I was there for just such
a moment in time with with you guys. But it's
amazing how that How that's you know, I've been all
over the world several continents, and people talk about it.
You know, yeah, people to that point. You guys, we
know that we're eventually going to find out some Derek
(39:27):
back story as a means of softening some of his behavior. Um.
Not that that's right. You know, bad guys are bad guys, um,
and we don't need to validate sexual assault. But I
think that you were so beloved by the cast and
crew of this show that they wanted to humanize Derek
in a way so that when you did go away,
(39:48):
it wasn't just um right, if you could have played
any other male character on our show that was around
for much longer, Like if we done to keep you
for longer, is there a role that you're like I
could have done that would have been Oh man, what
what I wanted to do? That's that's a great question.
(40:09):
I always as I as jealous of Um, well, I
wanted I wanted uh Lee Nurse's uh sweet Um endearing charm. Yeah,
mouth mouth is like you know, you'll you'll love mouth forever.
I think you who who gives the note? I think
Antoine told him that one of these episodes. He's like,
he's like, you know, on my tombstone, there's gonna be
(40:29):
you know, like friend and he's like it's gonna be
a full funeral because everyone loves you or something like that. Yeah,
I love I love that line. I wanted to end
Antoine's swag. Yeah. Yeah, he's so cool in the world.
It's like I need my kids to like hang out
with him and be like, this is confident. M hm um.
I don't know that's that. That's a good question. You
(40:51):
would have been a rivercourt boy then? Yeah, how was that?
By the way, when you guys all got together with
there was a basketball game. I saw How cool was that? Yeah,
there was a convention in Wilmington, and those things are
so nice because it's like, I don't know that any
other show gets the opportunity to go back to the
place that they filmed and be with all of their
(41:12):
casting crew, because a lot of the crew shows up
as well, and be with the fan base in the
places where we filmed like that's a really rare experience. Yeah,
it's trippy. Man. Sometimes you feel like you're at your
own funeral when you're at a convention because everyone's like,
you met so much to me, and you're like, I'm
still I'm still kicking y'all. Y'all might have nuts you.
(41:36):
I remember being a woman's in to film another show
years later for like, you know, a year, let's say it.
I just mirror like it felt like the ghost of
Like I was like, oh my god, this is where
this and this is the court and this is the
house and you know, I think those where you lived. Hillary.
It was like, oh yeah, I remember all these memories.
It's very really very special, you know. So it's cool.
What are some dreams as an actor for you, like
(41:58):
in the future when you look at types of characters
you want to play or projects you want to be
a part of. What's what excite you? That's a great
that's such a great question. Um. I love I love
true stories and I love reading. So you know, just
different different different types of nonfiction. You know, I love
periods or rather civil war you know. Um, you know,
(42:20):
I love I love World War two. Um, you know,
different stories. So I'm but but my my biggest dream
is I always have loved you know this might be
surprised people, but like like I love, um, I love
romance movies. I love like rom coms. Oh my god, yeah,
like like great love stories like I want to I
(42:41):
want to do another great love story about you know,
you know you are so Nicholas Sparks. I can't you
need to shoot a movie here in the outer Banks
and sweep someone up in some you know, dune mass.
I will go to a rom com with you anytime.
I spent my entire hall at a break just jamming
(43:02):
through the Julia Robertson Hugh Grant catalog. I am brimming
with rum comm entergy right now. So we don't we
don't make them. I think, I know and why they're
the best movies I know, and I think like everyone
loves them and they're just inspiring and it's it's the
opposite of yeah, tied someone up in the basement happened,
(43:22):
I was Here's this is gonna sound so inappropriate. But
I'm a big girl, Like I'm a tall girl, and
no one ever, um, I'm not an easy girl to
pick up and see Derek like like put his arm
around Peyton's waist and pick her up right in the chair.
There is a part of that where I was like,
(43:43):
oh gosh, like, apply to a romantic setting hot, appet
not hot. I want you to take the skill set
you have and apply it to a hot scenario. Yeah,
that's what needs to happen. Into it, very into it.
Yeah that's right. Oh my gosh, Matt, thank you. So
m yes, all right, we're going to find Joy's friends
(44:08):
with Nicholas Sparks. Joy, you got to find the right
Nicholas Sparks book for Matt to be the lead man. Yeah, Matt,
thank you. You're such a pleasure. You're such a joy.
Do you want to spin a wheel with us? Great? Guy? Okay, great,
let's do it. We like to do superlatives, so we
do them most likely to every week, and we spin
(44:29):
a wheel and we find out, oh, who is the
most likely to take all of their and your secrets
to the grave. We have to pick character. Ye're no,
it's just anybody from the show, So any cast member
really like real person, and then any character We picked
(44:51):
one of each, so most likely to take your secrets
to the grave. M I feel like I mean, Hillary,
I tell you all my secrets. Yeah, like I love.
In this episode, Mouth has told Shelley like, you know,
just like an episode ago, he's like, I'm not gonna
(45:13):
tell anybody we had sex. Never tell anybody had sex.
And then in this episode he tells Rachel like right away,
We're like, Mouth, you weren't supposed to do that, man, Um,
I think the character that would take your secrets to
the grave. Wow, we've got this little creepy cell phone
situation with Alison Scagliotti in the hallways. She's been keeping
(45:34):
some secrets. Oh my goodness, what do you think, Matt,
who's gonna keep your secrets? I would say to you, Hillary,
I think I think I think you would ride and
die with those with those secrets, I can neither confirm
nor deny because of my I'm just gonna sit on everything.
I'll write a book about that when we're really old.
(45:55):
Like that was the big complaint when I put out
Rural Diaries, as people are like, there's nothing about one
tree hill in here, and I'm like, yeah, because I
have to keep that the secret. Sorry. Kids, you're like
the thing called a pact? Yeah right, Matt, Okay, will
(46:16):
you let me know when you're visiting your fiance in
New York, and we'll go. We'll go start some rumors.
People will be like SoC jerks on the sidewalk. Oh
my god, we must. Let's stir up some stirrups from trouble.
Let's break the internet. That would be great. Let's do it, Matt, great,
Thanks for having all right, bye, Harley by, have a
(46:41):
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