The Class of 2007 • EP420

It’s graduation day in Tree Hill and Joy, Hilarie and Sophia are looking back and reflecting on what they’re still learning.  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:24):
Oh you guys, Okay, how many of us are feeling
big feelings right now? So many big feelings. This one
was a sneak attack. It felt like it made me
weepy at multiple points. But god, at the end there
I just started. So it's like, oh no, it's all

(00:45):
coming out. Yeah. When wit Berry was talking to Nathan
at the cemetery, is that what go? Oh my god,
We'll get there. Yeah. Just thinking about killer, what a killer?
Oh so beautiful? All right, kids, we're back with episode
four twenties, Season four, episode twenty, The Birth and Death
of Day. It originally aired June sixth, two thousand and seven,

(01:06):
as graduation day Dawn's in Tree Hill. Some dreams begin
as others end. Hayley prepares for her graduation speech and
her role as a young mother, all Nathan prepares for
life without basketball, Brook makes a heartfelt confession that puts
her future in jeopardy. Lucas confronts Dan as Karen's life
is threatened. Peyton is awesome. Dev is awesome. None of

(01:26):
this is in a synopsis, but it feels important. Mouth
is awesome, Antoine is awesome, and so is Bevin And
let's go. Everyone is an Do you guys like that
the only people on the Wall of honor were our friends?
Like no other kid accomplished anything in Tree Hill High School.
I noticed that I love that it was a purple again,

(01:48):
always purple, and it was made out of those little
cardboard letters that preschool teachers use on their walls. Yeah,
arts and crafts. It is so weird, though, You're right
that there wasn't like somebody who excelled at Spanish who
we didn't know, but just another member of the senior class.
Yeah where the science fair kids? Man, exactly, someone did

(02:09):
some incredible engineering project, just the just the main characters
of the TV show. They were so rushed. It's the
end of the season. The art Department's like, I am
not going to come up with six extra personalities to
honor on this wall not happening. Did you guys have
like walls of honor in your high school sidebar? But

(02:32):
remember we used to shoot at Lanyard all the time
and they had that whole case. It was all Michael Jordan,
Oh yeah, everything. Yeah, here's a piss me off. We
had the like the trophy case and the wall of
honor at my high school and it was only sports.
And then I would go back to our total rival
high school where Patton Oswald went, and he had a
whole like fucking shrine for theater, and I was like,

(02:53):
why don't we have a figure shrine at our school?
And so he and I arrivals, and I just feel like,
I feel like he got a little bit more respect.
A broad run, yeah that I got a park view. Yeah.
I mean going to an all girls school, we had everything,
like people's art projects would get featured on certain ends
of the hallway. They'd do exhibitions of like the photography
class and there'd be photos from theater stuff and from

(03:17):
like I don't know, girls volleyball and whatever. But we
had we had boards all down the hallways, so there
wasn't just like one zone. There wasn't one construction paperboard.
There wasn't one sad little wall with four little photos.
I can't remember. That makes me want to go back
to my high school and walk around, and I know
the art room had a bit, we had art in

(03:37):
the basement, and that there was always cool stuff on
display there because there's just so much space, but I
don't know. There definitely was a sports, a heavy sports
bent at my school too, so I don't really remember
anything else. Graduation ceremony is a big deal. I mean
that the lead up to that is there's a lot
going on in this episode. It's like you have all

(03:58):
this trauma happening, but then this very normal American rite
of passage also happening, and so the extreme versus the
mundane is definitely on display here. I really liked, actually,
to your point, how they highlighted that in that montage
series they did of everybody getting ready, and you see

(04:21):
Brooke and Chase just playing trying on their graduation gowns
and caps, and it's so sweet and childish, and it's
juxtaposed with Peyton and Lucas in the hospital and Nathan's
at the factory, and you realize that there's just all
this sort of disparate experience happening. I thought that was
really a good choice. I think that's kind of what

(04:41):
high school feels like. You know, everybody at school is
its own little community, and that when we're all experiencing
the drama between each other. But then everybody goes home
and they have their whole home life and all this
stuff that so many people in class don't know about.
So it felt very still, very connected to real life
high school way to that experience of all the drama

(05:02):
that is behind the scenes that nobody knows about. Yeah,
well it starts off with the batch stuff. I mean
we had forgotten Lucas shot it Dan, Yeah, how do
we miss that? Also, when I just love when a
high school kid is like a sharpshooter. He's like a
shot right next to your face. Next time, I won't
miss I was just like, this is so funny. It
was a warning shot. Yeah it was. It was kind

(05:24):
of like it was really intense. I didn't expect Karen
to be in a comma the whole episode. That surprised
me either, But I did really like seeing Lucas and
Debb together because I don't actually know if they've ever
had a scene together. Remember he caught her with the
pills in the kitchen and she was really threatening with
him back then. So I love the arc of their relationship.

(05:47):
I love that she's mothering him in place of his mother.
M Yeah, that's good. And I like that she's ferocious
about it. The way that Barbara can infuse something serious
with really great comedy and ride the line of both
things I think is so cool. And when she walks
into the room and is super sweet with the two
of you, Hilary and sent you away, and then she

(06:08):
just slaps the hit him. Man, Wow, that was brutal,
but it was so it felt so real and like
she couldn't contain the emotion and she was so upset
and it shocked me and it made me laugh, and
it was it was just like a perfectly played moment
of intensity. And I really liked that dynamic between them.

(06:31):
I like that he that she calls him out and
that he admits it to her and then confides in
her and she's the first person to believe him. That
was special. I like that she cops to her crazy
you know. And Principal Turner also hits this point when
he and broke her together, and he says, I know
I must seem ancient to you. I loved that. It

(06:52):
was so true. I'm sure Deb is feeling the same thing,
Like you must think I'm an idiot. You must think
I'm so old that I don't know what you're thinking.
And you know, when we were the kids on the show,
I say that in quotes, we did look at the
people who are older than us. Is kind of separate
in a way. Yeah, And now that we're their age,
it's like, no, I'm hipped to what all you little

(07:14):
dumb dumbs are doing. Yeah. Well, the funny thing is
when you're young, you look at the generation above you
and you think, man, they're old and they're probably missing it.
And then you get into the generation above the young people,
and you're like, I know everything you're doing and everything
you're gonna do for the next twenty years. You ding dung.
I'm so much smarter than you, So come on, like,

(07:34):
let me mentor you let me help you. And I
like that. In her way, Deb goes from being a
parent who's afraid and angry to being a mentor, to
being the person he can confide in and the person
who gives him advice and the person who offers to
protect him in that moment. It was a really cool
arc for her in this episode alone. It's so true.

(07:57):
It wasn't until my late thirties that I really started
realizing exactly what you were just saying, Sophia, that the
older generation isn't out of it there, they just are
so far advanced beyond and that you still feel like
you're young. No matter how old you get, you still
there are still days when you feel like I still
feel like I'm eighteen, like I'm twenty. And I remember

(08:18):
my parents used to say that when they were in
their thirties and forties, and I was like, oh, whatever,
and I don't get it. But in high school I
definitely definitely felt like us against them. I left that
he said that, and it really resonated. It just reminded
me how I'm looking at my daughter now. And Hill,
I'm sure you look at your kids and remember the
way that you looked at people your age when you

(08:40):
were young, right, didn't. I thought thirty was so old,
but so not. My best friend Nick came to visit,
and he was just hanging out with Gus and like
being around some of Gus's friends and just hearing some
stories about school, and we were talking about how some
of the other kids at school, the teachers, and this

(09:01):
sense of like kids being or adults being bullied by children,
or adults being put in their place by children. He
was like, God, I just never even thought about it
because I always thought teachers were so secure and solid,
or just adults in general were so secure and solid.
But we really are on the same emotional wavelength as
like a teenager. We're yeah, there's a there's an equality

(09:24):
there that's so depressing. Once you realize that secret, you're like,
oh no, I'm never gonna advance, I'm always gonna feel
this way. Well, it's like when you realize that being
bullied always stings. Do you want sorry? I guess the
puppy Okay, you can have it back? Like, why is

(09:45):
he pawn at my feet? It is really weird, you know,
I can't believe you just said that, because it reminds me.
I was talking to a friend of mine about this
on Sunday night, and we were talking about how weird
the Internet is because you think everyone's having the same
conversation and then you realize people really aren't and I
remember years ago there was like a group of kids

(10:09):
that were clearly fans of our show who, like my
Twitter just kept blowing up. They were doing what looked
like it was like they were having a whole conversation
with each other. It was all in dialogue from our show,
and I just thought it was so funny, and it
just so happened that I was like, that's cool. Sitting
in the makeup chair at work, and my Twitter just
kept like every ten seconds, I had like fifty six notifications,

(10:31):
and so I started to read it and I was laughing,
and I was like, they keep tagging me and all
these things, like they're tagging a bunch of us, they
want us to participate. I just happened to have my
phone in my hand, so I responded with something and
everybody laughed and it was funny. And then somebody said,
like one of your lines Hillary from like when we
were fighting on the show. It was just something like sassy,
you know, And so I hit back with the like

(10:54):
season seven Brooke, Julie and Alex of it all, and
I was like, oh, does Brook Davis have to slap
a bit? Like thinking so funny because it because it
was you know something about hitting, and these kids went
ballistic and We're like, oh my god, I can't believe
you would say that to me. You're an adult. How embarrassing.
And then it turned into like eevil hag and I
was like, oh, I guess you guys haven't actually seen

(11:16):
the whole show. I thought we were playing a game.
This was sharades. I was like, I'm so and I
literally was like, so, you're not on season seven yet?
And then it turned into this like hole. It was
so weird, and I was like, I think I need
to leave the internet. How do I get out of it?
Nothing is what you think it is anywhere? And I'm

(11:37):
a grown up and I'm very uncomfortable, and I think
these kids are fifteen ye And I'm just gonna exit
stage left. You wanted all the attention. This has gotten weird.
We can't tangle a teenagers, man, you can't do it.
I was like, I'm twice your age and I'm uncomfortable.
I don't know what's going on here, but I'm going
have a good time. There's some money for snacks, kids. Yeah,

(11:58):
I was like, enjoy. Let me know when you get
let me know when you get a couple of seasons advanced. No.
I mean, look, there's a there's a generational divide in
this episode, for sure, and it's weird for us to
watch it at this phase in our life because now
we're on the other side of it. I oh, man,

(12:19):
I feel like Whitey's the only true adult, do you
know what I mean? Yeah, for sure, but maybe he's
also not. I thought Karen was too, but then we
saw this side of her that was of the vulnerability
of needing, like the way she was getting sucked back
into things with Dan. It's like that part of her
that hadn't still healed from high school was like she

(12:41):
was it was an open wound. Yeah. But yeah, Whitey
seems to be the one who's always got everything under control.
I wonder if Whitey's just so far past so much
of his life experience, so far past his trauma, his wounds,
but they don't affect him in the same way because
it is wild right at our age, which Karen is

(13:02):
in the show, when something hits you and you go, oh,
that happened to me twenty years ago, and it still
hurts when somebody puts pushes a finger in that bruise. Yeah. Wow,
like it can be shocking as an adult to realize
you carry trauma around with you from the past. And
I just like, do you think when you get to

(13:22):
be our parents' age, you know, like my parents are
in their seventies. Do you think when you get to
be that old, you're just like A and I did
it all. I'm good, I'm done. No, it's healed. Give
me a cocktail. No, maybe it's just whitey. Then you
get worse, Yeah, because it's harder to change. The older
you get, the harder it is to change. You got
no time. Well, old people who don't deal with their trauma,

(13:43):
like old people who don't go to therapy are mean. Yeah,
they're mean. It's true. Q are better help add go right?
You know who else is an adult though? In this
episode is skills his dad. YEA love him. I loved him.

(14:07):
I don't know who this actor is, but he was
so great. Why it wasn't he on the show more?
He was so natural. I wish we'd gotten more of him,
I know. And he was just so in control and
sensible and like the kind of guy you He was
another whitey type where you would just want to go
sit down and have a chat with him and feel
like he would be embracing and give you wisdom. Oh,

(14:28):
I needed more of Skills his dad. But I loved
seeing Skills in Bevin in this episode because we needed
the levity. So that was really fun. We needed the levity.
And what was nice because our show was so often
so milk toast and was really afraid to talk about actual,
you know, dynamics in a place like North Carolina. I

(14:48):
appreciated that even though we gave it a very leave
it to beaver ending, we acknowledged the fact that Antine
that Skills had a different experience. We acknowledged the fact
that it can be volatile, you know in a small
town in the South, when like a white cheerleader starts
dating a black athlete, like it was important to not

(15:10):
keep ignoring it. Yeah, it would have been nice if
they had if they had gone into it a little
bit more though, it would have been cool, be cool
like season arc. Actually, it would have been a cool
arc rather than a we know, we haven't done this,
and it's pretty weird that we haven't, So we're gonna
bomp it in this episode and wrap it up by
the end. You know, that's something that's so typical and
unfortunate about I think big network shows as they try

(15:31):
to like slide things in in small doses. But I
was glad to see it. And to your point, it
was really fun knowing Antoine and Bevin as well as
we do, to watch them play a dynamic together and
figure out how to put both heart and humor into it.
Like I liked watching them play those scenes because they

(15:52):
did things with them that you know, weren't on the page.
Even the fact that when Bevin even brought it up
or the skills bring it up on the basketball court
the very first time it was introduced in the episode,
and Bevin the way it was written, I was just
listening to the words, going, this could have been really milked.
It could have been like a meaningful, deep conversation that
was like kind of scary, and I love that Bevin

(16:13):
just she just buzzed right through it. It was like
all up here on this high level of like yeah,
well all right, it's gonna be fine. And if not,
then they're not the parents that raised them to be.
That was my favorite line. It was great me too,
that if not, then they're not the parents I raised
them to be. I was like that golden, golden And
by the way, from this vantage point, doesn't that hit

(16:36):
differently because you go, yeah, yep, when you go through
life with your parents, you kind of have to be
their parents too. Yep. Yeah, I mean even they're just
textbooks were so different when they were in high school
than they were when we were in high school, and
even more so now. You know, like there is a
re education process, and so as a as a parent,

(16:57):
I always want to know more from my kids, you know, like,
what are you hearing that I heard differently in the nineties,
eight billion years ago? You know. That's one of my
favorite things about being a parent. Yeah, it's just learning,
learning things through their eyes and through as we discover
new information and as everything changes. Just being able to

(17:18):
watch the world through her eyes and not be threatened
by it. Right, it's so educational. I love it. Yeah.
I do love that Skill's family made an appearance. I
wish they would have made an appearance sooner. And I
wish that they had been friends with Karen, Like if
these little boys grew up together, I'm friends with all
of US's friends parents. You know. Yeah, that's a no brainer.

(17:42):
That's like she should have been sitting in Karen's living
rooms from episode two and like a regular face that
we saw all the time. Yes, can you imagine what
Antoine's mom's commentary on like the deb and Dan of
it all would have been? Magic? Magic? Yeah? Where was
she when Karen started day? Dan like we needed Skills
as mom's voice, especially because Skills his mom could have

(18:05):
been like, you're going to go on a date with
that man who and fill in the blank of some
high school experience, some terrible thing Dan did, Like she
could have given us all the backstory of them and
then we waved to your point. Had these experiences, I
would have loved to have seen family dinners at Karen's
with Lucas and Skills and Skills as parents and like

(18:25):
some of the other boys from the team. That would
have been so special. Having like just sat through rec
league basketball, which I don't want to brag, but Gus
Morgan's team totally won the championship last week, you guys, hey,
And just so you know, it felt just like a
Raven's basketball game. I was so back in it, just
like it's like any but you sit there with the

(18:48):
other parents and whether that's the only time you see them,
or you talk to each other all the time, like
there's a bond there unless you're the most anti social,
awful person on the planet. And Karen's not that person.
So no, she would have definitely been friends with all
these other sports parents. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a shame. Well,

(19:08):
I'm just going to rewrite it in my mind. So
that's how I watched the show from now on when
I think back, Yeah on it. Well, okay, let's talk
about Nathan, because what's interesting is this role reversal of
Nathan now working in a factory. I mean, I don't
know the Luca's ever worked in a factory, but a
blue collar job. And I loved seeing a young man

(19:30):
who has is dealing with difficult circumstances make tough choices
for his family and from a hopeful place. He wasn't
being a victim, he wasn't like suffering through it. It
was I'm just I'm going to do the right thing
and things are going to work out and I'll figure
it out. And he had such a good attitude about it,

(19:50):
and it really went along with Hailey's speech about the
world doesn't owe you anything. I loved that because it's
I think I personally think that's so true, and I
think we really got to see the mirror of that
with how Nathan was approaching walking into this new job. Well,

(20:11):
for Nathan, I wonder how much of it is he
grew up with the money, he grew up with the
big house, he grew up with the camps and the
privilege and all of that, and so the loss of
that doesn't mean anything because it didn't It didn't solve
the problems, you know, And so being with Haley and

(20:34):
having a strong family unit solves the problems. That's the
that's the thing to guard. That's good. Yeah, And I
think it's really interesting too. What what's sort of arresting
about it when you when you watch that scene between
Nathan and Skills on the river court, and Skills of course,
assumes Nathan's talking about did you get me a spot

(20:56):
on your team? And then Nathan reveals no, I'm asking
I can take the job. And the shock because Skills is,
as the story goes, you work hard, you move forward,
maybe you get a scholarship, you know, you succeed upward.
And the question being asked is is Nathan now beginning

(21:17):
to fall? This boy has fallen off his pedestal. He's
not going to the best basketball school in the world
on a free ride scholarship anymore. And it's it's something
I found really refreshing about seeing these kids talk about
how hard it is to afford college, how hard it
is to figure out your finances. You know, Nathan saying
to Haley, we can't afford to both go to college,

(21:40):
so I'll get a job. That's most people's reality. You know.
They say that the average person in America is a
four hundred dollars emergency away from bankruptcy. So how do
you figure out those student loans? How do you figure
out that that future for yourself? And I thought it
was really refreshing for the first time that I can

(22:02):
remember anyway on TV seeing a kid who, to your point,
had it all, all the money, all the camps, all
the everything was always covered for him, every opportunity. Yeah,
and now he doesn't have anything, and he's got to
figure it out, and the thing he prioritizes is his family.
It really begs the question, which ties back to what

(22:23):
you just said, Hillary, what is success? What does success
really mean? Because everybody has this idea in high school
of what they're supposed to become and how it's supposed
to all. And we saw that when Haley was practicing
her speech and turned around and saw Nathan covered in
Greece and sweat, and you know, it's like, oh, it's
not Maybe it's not all about like my dreams and
being everything I want to be, Like what does success

(22:44):
actually look like? I love trade school, man. I have
so many kids that come and ask me about like
college and what do I do if I want to
do this? And if I want to be in film,
what's the trajectory? I love trade school. We need electricians
in film. We need plumbers, we need carpenters, we need

(23:05):
all of these specialized skills. To me, they're everybody as
important as surgeons, you know. And our country doesn't necessarily
treat four year or six year graduates the same way
they treat tradespeople. But I have pushed back against this
any opportunity I get because I love a trade school.

(23:28):
We have a program. I mean, we had a program
in high school when I was growing up that was
called votech Vocational Technology. And here we've got boss in
New York. Man, get out there and learn a skill
and like, yes, work a job that facilitates a life
that you love. Yes, that's it. There's a big votech
near where my husband grew up in Oklahoma, and it's

(23:50):
an incredible school. Yeah. And like now, even the sort
of electrical trajectory like the track if you want to
go become like an electrician at that school is running
all the way up to being able to build wind
turbines for clean internets. It's incredible. And let me tell
you something. When I'm at home trying not to electrocute
myself watching YouTube videos to learn how to install a

(24:13):
dimmer because like I just want the lights to not
be so bright at night, I'm thinking I really wish
I'd taken some more practical ship in college because I
don't know how to do anything, and I'm learning it
all from the internet. Yes, because if you think about
how much money now as as grown ups and homeowners
we spend on having people come over, you probably save

(24:35):
your weight intuition if you just went to school after
you know, once you get out and you go have
a life, you save all that money because you know
how to do it yourself. It's incredible. And by the way,
you know, to your point joy, you've ever done any
work on your home or you've lived in your home
when your parents have done work on your home. I'm like, man,
it would be so cool to make a great salary

(24:57):
as like a contractor or a builder, and you know
you get to kind of set your own projects. Yeah,
it's your own stuff. I'm like, what's that kind of empowerment?
Look like you gotta sit around and you know, make
tapes and wait for people to give us jobs. And
I'm like, oh, yeah, I just want to learn how
to tile my own bathroom. That is all I want
to do. And it's it's awesome that there are careers

(25:19):
where you're not just sitting in an office. Yeah. I frankly,
I'm just gonna say it. I'm pissed that Nathan doesn't
stay in the factory because when he came home all
covered in Greece and sinewy and muscly and dirty, Damn
wasn't that sexy? Y'all? I wouldn't have minded a couple
seasons of Nathan just being muscly and lifting up heavy.

(25:41):
By the way, I love that the writers were like,
isn't this sad? And the three of us were like, no,
that's hot. So hot. It was adult too. You know,
there's um like, I like that Nathan has this dream
of playing basketball, but it does have a Peter Pan
quality to it of not quite wanting to grow up,
and you know that is part of graduation. There are

(26:05):
kids that go right into growing up stuff if they're
not already doing it, and then there are the kids
who have the privilege of continuing to be teenagers for
another two, four or six years. Yeah. I don't know.
I'm a dropout. I got what I needed out of
my first two years of school. I had a good
paying job. I was producing TV cool. And so when

(26:27):
my kid, I mean, my son is already stressing out
about college, and I'm just like, I think I'm doing
the reverse psychology thing where I'm like, are you sure
you want to go that route? Are you sure you
don't want to just start paying when you're eighteen work
your way up that way? Because I think so much
pressures put on these kids, like you have to have
to go yeah, well, and so much pressures put on
kids now to be good at everything they're supposed to have,

(26:50):
like a sport, a musician something you know, like a
musical instrument and an extracurricular and a debate team and
a charity thing. Yeah. Yeah, like one thing. You're supposed
to try out all the things and figure out what
you like and then go do that thing. You know,
I thought I was going to be a heart surgeon.
I had an arts requirement. I did a play, but
you sort of for I sort of was eventually I

(27:13):
played one on TV, but like event you know, I had.
I had an arts requirement for a semester. I thought,
I'll go do this one play and it'll be fun.
And it changed the course of my life. I figured
out what I liked better. I love to tell stories.
I love to to be in community, and it shifted
for me. You're a different kind of heart doctor. That's okay,

(27:36):
we're empathy surgeon. Oh all right, hey, you said it,
all right, doctor doctor Davis. You said it in the episode.
You were like, why is every pregnancy on this show
like so threatening? Why is every woman almost dying when
she has a baby on our show? It's really weird.

(27:58):
It's like an easy tar get for vulnerability. Maybe, yes,
it is a really delicate time, and it is. It
can be very scary. You know, anything can go wrong,
But I don't know. It feels like every chick who
gets pregnant has to be in peril so that a
boy can come in and save her. How my pregnancies

(28:21):
have we had on the show, though, Well, we know
that we've got We've got Karen, we know we have
Peyton is going to almost die? Yeah, Brooke, do you
almost die? Yeah? Okay, oh so every time? Yeah? So
in the trajectory of the future, this is what happens,
and you got hit by a car while you were pregnant, right, yeah,

(28:42):
we forgot about that one. It's really weird. I don't know, guys,
I feel like we can do better. I wish we'd
known ahead of watching the episode today that Moira was
going to be in a coma as Karen the whole time,

(29:04):
because I would have loved to just grab her for
five minutes and be like, is that fun for you
or boring? Did you get to actually nap or was
it annoying to have to come in and get into makeup?
To just get into bed with your eyes closed? I
have questions. Well, it's fun, it's fun to come in
and get you. I had to be in a coma.
You just good to get your makeup on and lay down.
It seems like Karen's in a coma for like a while, right,

(29:24):
Oh is she she? I mean he brings her in.
Oh in the episode yeah, oh days, yes, yes, yeah,
because the graduation and there was a track we even
tracked something all of us. At the beginning of the episode, Lucas, Peyton,
and Deb are all in their clothes from the day
that Karen was brought in. Well know, I changed my shirt.

(29:44):
Oh oh you change Sorry, that's what it was. A
weird clothing jump. Yeah, it's Lucas and Deb who are
still in their clothes from the day before, the day
Karen comes to the hospital. But you guys have changed, Joy,
you and James have changed. You're now in that like
red and white tank top moment. So they were trying
to show that it's overnights from the very beginning of

(30:05):
the episode. From from early scenes. Yeah, oh and I
got a tan overnight too, girl, it worked. Where'd you
go for the weekend? Joy? Guys? Was this the time?
Do you remember? Was it Rachel Kick who set up
the spray tan shower the trailer? Yeah, and she had
like did she do our air brushing or hired somebody,

(30:25):
But I think that was my first like air brushed
tan that I had gotten in the Yeah, so you
don't remember that, Sophia. Rachel Kick was so fun. Tell
everybody who Rachel Kick was. She was our makeup artist.
She was great. I did love Rachel. She was our
makeup artist for a long time. But she came in.
She came in and set up this like shower. I

(30:48):
think it was also a year. Maybe we got a
bigger hair and makeup trailer. But she set up all
of these curtains, the plastic curtains all over the walls,
on the floor, and then she just would go in
there in our uh you know, pasties and an underwear
and they would just spray tan. Us. You don't, just Sophia,
you don't remember this, not really. I didn't spray tan.

(31:11):
I don't know if I did either. I'm pretty pale.
I don't like being in my underwear in front of
anyone ever either. I'm such a prude. Maybe it was
just me and Bevin. I don't know. You guys were
tan and glowing and all beautiful and stuff. Because I
remember season four there was a person who shall remain nameless,
a producer Who'd come out from La Who in the

(31:32):
in a way that made me feel so uncomfortable. It
was like, look at your skin, It's like milk. Thank you.
So I remember that I was so that I was
so pale in season four that people were telling me
I looked like a dairy product. So I don't think
I was getting a spray tan. Look at you, You're
like goat cheese. Yeah. Wow, you're like a little Kim

(31:54):
and Bear there ammon milk. So creepy. Rachel kick was fun.
She was so cool. Yeah, she was spicy. Man. No,
I love the tan tanning spray. It was fun. Yeah,
you had a lot going on that was really good.
You had like a really good Pam Anderson messy bun
in this episode. Yeah. I love that messy bun and

(32:16):
the graduation hair, the big curls I love so much.
Did you have input in this graduation speech? I think
I did. Actually, I remember as I was watching it
back it felt like something I had tweaked. I don't
remember specifically, but I do. It did feel like I

(32:38):
really liked it a lot, probably because I put my
beIN on It's better now. It was so great, guy,
let me read it you know what, fast forward to
whatever season Brooke gets married in. I've said it publicly before.
It's the same shit about her wedding balls. I'm like,

(32:58):
you want to know why they were so good? I
wrote them. There's a point like, by now in season four,
we know our characters so well and the point you're making, like,
really think about it. They even did the flashback in
this episode to that scene with you and Lucas and
Karen in season one with Julius Caesar. Yeah, that's right.
All of this has been Haley's journey. Who knows that

(33:19):
better than you? Yeah? Well, I mean I think all
the Julius Caesar stuff was for sure, they're from the
writer's room. I didn't like completely rewrite the speech, but
I did feel, at least toward the end of it
that I had kind of like maybe the world doesn't
owe us anything. I wonder if I put that in
or maybe it was already written and I I really
don't know. Sorry, I don't can't remember. I know they
did the arc of the Caesar stuff, But I just

(33:41):
mean for you that this journey and the points you're
making like it's it's it's your four year arc is
wrapped up in that speech. So I don't know. Maybe
maybe it's just knowing what's gone into it. I can
see it when you're giving it from that stage. It's
really special. It's fun. I remember that episode. It was

(34:04):
weird to be in a graduation gown and cap. Again,
we didn't have a cap and gown at my high school.
What you didn't know? You we we graduated in in dresses,
like in gowns, like full dresses. It was tradition. Please
tell me it was like a ballgown. It everyone wears
a white dress, like because our the formal uniform at

(34:27):
my high school is a white uniform like a Sue
Mills uniform with a green w on the pocket. And
so the thing was like on every really formal day
at school, everyone wears their white uniform since like I
don't in nineteen ten or something, and so you would
graduate in a white dress. And I mean, I guess
you could wear a gown if you wanted to. But
some people's fine like cocktail dresses. Some like this cool

(34:50):
girl that I knew who was a year younger than me, Whinnie,
always wore a suit and she wore a white suit.
Like it was always a vibe and and now I
was actually so silly, but I was on a zoom
with my with the head of my school. That's not silly,
that's cool. It's so cuty. And she was like, well,
we've transitioned to cap and gowns. And I was like,
I only ever got one on TV, So it's so funny.

(35:12):
That's today. Joy, What do you remember from your graduation?
I had just gotten a tattoo and I had to
cover it and had my foot was wrapped in saran
wrapped to keep the tattoo clean or whatever. And I
remember I remember my parents had just gotten divorced like

(35:37):
two years prior, and both of them maybe had just
gotten remarried like six months before my graduation or something
like that. So I remember there being some weird, a
little weird tension, but mostly I remember standing up there
and it was I was always still focused on this

(35:57):
boy that I loved, and you know, it's so you're
going to sign my yearbook and then like so there
was a boy that I loved, and there were a
couple others that I just had crushes on, like in
case the backup plan didn't work, you know, And I
just remember all the yearbook signing and running around, and
I think there was a sense of emptiness but also excitement.

(36:19):
It was, you know, sad and like I was happy
to be leaving, but also it felt a little unfulfilling.
I kind of in the same way that like a
wedding or prom does, where it's such a big build
up and then it happens and you're like, oh, okay,
I don't know what about you guys, you have specific memories. Well,
our graduation was covered by the local cable access network,

(36:41):
like remember like a channel three was always like the
local cable access channel, and they had a camera set
up at the end of the aisle where you process
in and then you process out. So you processed in
passing the camera, you went and you sat in a
little folding chairs. You did graduation, and then you process out.
And I this is a dumb thing to say, but

(37:03):
I had been homecoming Queen and the boy who was
homecoming king also had the last name with a bee
It was Matt Brownlee. And we didn't necessarily like each other.
We weren't pals. And as we're processing out, you know,
I'm like feeling com emotional, and he processes out from
the boy's side, and I process out from the girl's side,

(37:24):
and we happened to meet up and he's like, I'm
gonna stop you and I'm gonna kiss you right in
front of that camera. And I was like, you know what, okay,
and so on cable access, he like dips me and
kisses me and stops the procession, and you just hear
all the parents up in the stands like what are
you doing? Did all the kids hipp in holler? Oh? Yeah?

(37:48):
Everyone was like macap you know, It's like, it's funny.
It was funny, fun It was funny, and it was
like it's nice to be in a moment and know
it's a moment and be like this is gonna be
something I laugh at later. But yeah, Matt Brown and
I totally made out on Kimble Access. It was well,
that's so fun. Yeah, I've never spoken to him again.

(38:12):
I'm glad Brooke got to graduate. I thought that was
really I was wondering how they were going to handle that,
because I really, I mean, I knew I knew you did.
I felt like I remembered that you did graduate, but
I wasn't sure how they're going to handle it, and I.
I liked it. I was happy that, you know, you
went and made a case for yourself. And he was like,
all right, you're not going to like be a bridge builder, right,
go go graduate, You're not going to study engineering. No.

(38:35):
I loved that, and I loved that it was really
for her to make it right, for her to be
able to respect herself, yeah, and to be willing to
take the consequences, but still to say, I've done all
this really good stuff and I think I've grown a lot,
and you know, please don't, please don't ruin my life,
but if you have to, it was funny because please

(38:59):
don't ruin my life, just please over in my life.
I remembered that full scene with Principal Turner and how
it felt and what it felt like to figure out
how to play all of those lines because on paper
they're a little ridiculous, yea. And we had this very
sort of human experience as people to our earlier points,

(39:21):
sort of seeing across the divide at each other. I
fully forgot COLLETTI ran into that scene. I was so
surprised when we ran up in the hall. We were
all surprised. It was so cute. Yeah, it was so sweet.
I will say I was really relieved because you know,
you never know what you remember what you don't. When
we walked out, I was like, why isn't Brooke asking
if Rachel can graduate, why isn't she doing that? I

(39:42):
was really bothered all episode trying to figure out is
she going to call her? Are they going to get
her to come back? Like how does it happen because
she's at the party. And then to realize that Turner
did it, I was like, Oh, that's a nice that's
a nice moment that they gave to him to allow
him to for that kindness was I thought, very sweet.

(40:03):
Last hurrah for Principal Turner, who I don't know if
we ever see again. Oh he's so good though, you know,
Like my two favorite scenes in this episode are the
scene with broken Principal Turner and Nathan and Whitey. And
I think that's because I have a really soft spot
for teachers. They have stepped into my life when I
needed guidance outside of my home, and even as an adult,

(40:27):
there's still my parental figures. You know. My teachers come
and visit me and stay in my house, and I
love that they can be something other than just you
know who they are in the history classroom or the
science classroom. Principal Turners looking at the trajectory of Brooke
Davis's life and making the decision, I'm not going to
traumatize this kid. He probably knows that your parents aren't

(40:50):
around like teachers know everything. Yeah, he knows what your
variables are. And I love that he made a a
decision that would lift you up instead of taking you
down a notch. And that's what good teachers do. They
read the circumstances that Well said, that's so true. Well,

(41:12):
the Whitey Nathan scene, y'all want to talk about some
blubbery women. Oh, blubbering for sure, sobbing. And he gives
Hailey credit for it. He gives you credit for it.
I thought he was going to retire. I thought he
was done. Yeah, just the way he comes through And

(41:33):
did he do it just for Nathan. Yeah, Nathan just
looked his father in the eye and said, you will
never know my son. Nathan just cut off the limb
that is his parent, which is the hardest thing for
a kid to do. And Whitey a short time later

(41:53):
steps right into the role. He is the father that
Nathan needed. Yes, because Nathan's about to be a far
he needs someone to show him how to do it.
He didn't have Uncle Keith to show him the way
Lucas did. So now Nathan's got no father figure, nobody
to walk him through how to handle a baby or
a toddler or raise a young man. And yes, Whitey's

(42:14):
stepping right into that role. That is community at its finest.
And Nathan has twice the wound because think about it,
he emancipated himself to get away from his toxic father
and then as he saw his father changing and becoming
a kinder man and showing up for people and being
more gentle and essentially, unbeknownst to Nathan, softening in the

(42:37):
wake of the worst thing that Dan has ever done. Yeah,
he welcomed his dad back and he said, I love you,
I'm on your side. I know you couldn't have done this.
Oh yeah, I'll fight for you. Just tell me you
didn't do this. And Dan can't do it. And so Nathan,
it's not even just that he walks away from his dad.
He's walked away and then been willing to let him

(42:57):
back in. That's sort of like God that that double
injury and what I realized watching Whitey say it's not
a great school and they haven't won anything, and there's
there's this position Whitey is showing up for Nathan in
his in his moment of emergency, in the way Dan

(43:18):
did not, which led Nathan to take that money. Oh God,
like white He's going backwards and healing past trauma for Nathan. Wow.
And it's really beautiful. I think that's why we all
wept because for years now we've wanted this boy to
have a father who puts him first, and his father

(43:40):
figure Coach, is the one that does it. And it's
really beautiful. The conversation that Nathan has with Dan was
kind of jarring for me to watch because I just
spent the whole weekend doing some work on it couldn't
happen here, the true crime show that I work on.
And what we run into in that scenario is a

(44:00):
lot of people who refuse to believe the facts and
they say things like, no, that person could never do that,
that person is not corrupt, but we have all the
evidence that they are. And that duality where anybody can
be a good guy or a bad guy in your life,

(44:23):
and even if they're a bad guy in your life.
Chances are they're also a really good guy in someone
else's life. You know, Dan has been recently a good
guy in Nathan's life, but a really, really bad guy
in other people's lives, and it's so heartbreaking when you
have to confront someone with that. I think James did

(44:48):
such a good job because there's so much hope in
his voice. He's just yelled at his mother in the hospital,
and that was shot so cool because you hear the
baby crying out. The babies are crying out saying like
fix me, fix me, give me what I need, give
me what I need, and no one's giving them what
they need. As Nathan is visually tearing apart from his

(45:10):
mother and he goes to his dad and he's crying out, like,
just give me the reassurance I need. Thank god Dan
doesn't lie right, Like, at least Dan's not doubling down. Yeah, yeah, finally,
And Paul did all of this stuff in this episode
so beautifully. When you watch Paul play vulnerability in his

(45:33):
physically intimidating stature, his big, tall body, and we know
how scary Dan can be. He has really frightened any
viewer of this show multiple times. In the first scene
with Lucas where he's begging him to say he's wrong,
and Paul breaks eye contact with Chad, they're staring at

(45:56):
each other, and I realized when it happened, I thought
to myself, I don't think I've ever seen Dan Scott
break got contact with anyone. And he can't hold Lucas's
gaze and he looks down just below his eyes, and
I went And then you get to this later scene
with Nathan and he can't even look at him, and

(46:21):
it's They're just really powerful choices by an actor. You know.
He's always so specific about the choices that he makes.
There's always a reason behind it, and I love that.
I love this. I just love simple choices. Sometimes that
happens to me a lot, Like I'll get on sets

(46:41):
and I'll start where I'll start working on something and
sometimes you just have to get the bad ideas out first,
and so you know, it's like the big, over the
top stuff comes out and you're like trying to feel
it in your body and where do you feel it?
And I remember doing that a lot in episodes with Paul.
And he's so great as a director too, because he'll
let you. He'll let you get it out, and then

(47:02):
he'll come up and say, okay, so now stop acting
and just all that stuff you just did. It's already
in your body now, so just say the line and
it works. It usually works. Yeah, I love a simple choice. Well,
we see Lucas having all this like grown up conversation
with Dan where he's being very firm. He's like, you

(47:25):
will not be in my mother's life. This child will
have me as an adult man in their life, the
same way Keith raised me. You are unnecessary here. I
mean that is an adult conversation. But then I loved
the scene between Lucas and Haley where you give him
the gift that his mom has had for him, the
bound copy of his book, and he says, I just

(47:47):
want her to be my mom again. And that sense,
that's what graduation is. It's like this this cusp of
adulthood and I just want to be the kid. I
want to be reassured, I want to be cuddled. I
still feel all of those feelings, like do you ever
just have a day where you're like, I really need
to be babied today. Yes, Lucas needed to be babied

(48:11):
in that moment. I think that's what it is. I
do that too. I do that to my husband Sometimes
I'll walk up to him in the middle of the
day and go, will you just hold me just for
a minute? Like we're both working and we have stuff
to do, but can we just take a break and
we meet for a minute? So good? I love Maria
will do that to me. Sometimes you'll see me in

(48:32):
the house and be like, Mommy, do you need a hug?
I do I need a hug? I was on eleven
and Gus was just like, hey, hey, call me here,
call me here. And You're like, no, you're not supposed
to parent me. I'm the bear. I always foke guilty. Yes,

(48:53):
but please don't let this out. Please no. I think
that's such guys as a friend who watches you both parent,
I think that that's such a beautiful sign that you're
doing such a good job. You're raising emotionally intelligent kids
who want to relate, who don't infantilize themselves around you.
They trust you as their moms, but they also want

(49:14):
to love and support you in the way you love
and support them. Girl, when they're in therapy and like
twenty I'm gold starring the both of you through the
zoom screen. I think I had to take care of
my mother. Okay, we have a listener question. All right,
let's do it. It's from Sam. Sam says, you all

(49:35):
started your acting careers when you were pretty young. Was
there any high school or college event or experience that
you regret missing? Oh that's a good question. Yeah, I
mean I started doing professional stuff like sixth grade. I
was doing professional theater and had an agent in seventh grade.
And it came down to a pep rally when I

(49:59):
was a freshman or saw more. I got bumped up
to varsity and I also had this huge audition in
New York City and they're like, if you go to
that audition, you are destroying the pep rally for all
these varsity girls and it might be their last pep rally.
And don't you dare, Hillry Burton, don't you dare do that?
And I had to make this decision to like either
jump into one pool or the other pool, but you

(50:20):
can't have your feet in both. And it was weird.
I made it with such clarity. I was like, well,
they're hiring old people to do high school shows anyway,
I'm going to go to high school, and then when
I do a high school show, I'll have lived it
and I'll have all this ship to draw from. And
sure enough, like one Tree Hill came around and I

(50:41):
was like, oh my god, I manifested this. No. I
like high schooled so hard because I knew that I'd
had to give up something for it. And maybe that's
why I was just like close close clothes. I wish
I had done that's so cool. I never did a sport,
and that's what I'm like, I really, especially as an
only child, it would have been good for me. I

(51:02):
really wish I had. I had played a sport, and
I wanted to play soccer or even basketball, just something.
And I could never commit to a team because there
were always plays happening in auditions and I just never
knew when something was going to come up. And yeah,
I mean, my parents gave me the option, but I
kept choosing theater. And I kind of wish that they

(51:23):
had said, this year, you're taking a year off. Just
take a year off, play sports, learn how to you know,
be on a team, and yeah, Joe, you should join
like an adult kickball league or something like there's adult
leagues where you could go and play. That's fun. Yeah,
that would be a good idea. Thanks, I'll look into that. Actually,
see what's going on around here. All the dads in

(51:46):
my community play volleyball. It's kind of weird, but also
I love it. Yeah, I've got friends in soccer leagues.
It's really fun. Yeah, it's interesting because my school was
so but all girls school is so specific and we
had you know, theater was my thing there, and yeah
there were sports, and there was great art, and there
was so much to do there. But by nature, it

(52:09):
was very insular and very academic, and I loved that.
But I remember thinking, you know, watching all the things
we watched growing up, that I didn't know what any
of that was like. So I had thought I wanted
to go to you know, like a small arts college,
and then I thought, well, that's just more of the same.
I gotta go have I gotta go do the movie thing,

(52:29):
the thing I see on the screen. So I picked
the biggest school with the biggest football team and the
biggest Greek system in the b and it was kind
of like just trying on a different uniform. I had
done one thing and I wanted to try on another thing,
and I think for a long time that's sort of
what it felt like to me, was well, I'll try

(52:50):
this on. I'll see what this feels like. You know.
We went to do our show, and it was like,
what's it like to be a you know, young kid
on TV? And what It took me a while to
figure out what I wanted versus what I wanted to
just try to try on. You know, what was the
ideal high school experience that you saw on TV. It

(53:12):
just was like I didn't know what it was like
to go to a big sporting match. I didn't know
what it was like to have boys in my class.
Joy and I are like, man, you missed out. You know.
There was no big like homecoming weekend. We didn't have that,
and I wanted to know what that was like, and
so I went and tried it out. But you know,

(53:34):
our job as actors is to adapt to the environments
we're in. I've always been really good at doing whatever's
going on around me, but it took me a while
to figure out what I loved to do and what
I wanted to do rather than what was just good
to support the group. And now, the funny thing is
there's not an experience. I'm not like, Man, I wish
I could go to one more you know, USC football

(53:54):
game or one more whatever. I'm like, Oh, I just
wish I could go back and do one more year
of indications with Professor Smith. I'm like, like, it's the classes.
I wash, It's not the It's not the stuff or
the clubs or the any of it. It's it's truly
just the school. It's not the parties, Dude, I went
to all of them. Of course, you said, it's the classes.

(54:17):
It is how many parties have we gone to? And
how much did the three of us bitch before we
have to go to a party about what we're gonna
wear and how we're gonna It's so stressful. Yeah, well,
you know, when I think about adult life and how
much we have to do and how many responsibilities we have,
what I wouldn't give for the luxury of nothing to
do but mister Apaul's history class. Oh, mister Apaul, nothing

(54:40):
to do but get smarter. He looked like Indiana Jones.
He wore the hat. Oh he talked about you know
what I mean? Like it was a fun class, and
I was just that would be nice, would be nice.
I would love to just go take notes as my job.
Look at this, I do it all day anyway, If
that was it, I would love it. You know what

(55:01):
I miss? I missed the smell of burning dust from
the overhead projector remember and like you could see smell
it crackle. Yeah, the first time they turned it on
like two of class and there it is there it
is an overhead projector god, oh, that's what I want
for Christmas. I want an old, decommissioned high school overhead projector.

(55:26):
Let's get on, Etsy, guys, let's go. Do we have
an honorable mention as the question? I know the silicone babies.
Tell them about the silicone babies. This is kind of
a new thing, like it wasn't in the first few seasons.

(55:48):
I just remember at some point they this, they brought this.
It's a sill. It's a baby made out of silicone,
so that it moves and kind of jiggles. Yeah, like
when you're holding it, it kind of bounces instead of
being a hard doll exactly. Yeah. But they were so creepy.
It was so creepy, and that there was like ten
thousand dollars. Yes, they were so expensive and they weighed

(56:11):
like twelve pounds. So it was creepy because it looked
really real and if you touched it, like it's little
skin would smush, and it had real eyelashes and like
rosy cheeks. But it was so heavy that it just
kind of felt like you were carrying a dead thing.
It had rosy cheeks if they decorated it. Otherwise it
was just ashen. And it was this creepy, ashen looking

(56:33):
weighted baby with like fuzz on its head. Yeah, and
sometimes they would smother it in jam to make it
look like, you know, the newborn. And the texture of it,
the texture of it couldn't be like matt or shiny,
and so it had like this gummy quality to it. Yes,
everything would stick to it, lint and everything. Yeah, the

(56:54):
more you used it, the more it got covered in
just like fuzz from your clothes or from the blakes.
Oh gross, so gross. And that's why that's all I
could think of when you hillary you took the baby
and sit down and this goes outside and you're just
like looking lovingly at this baby's face in like wonder
and amazement, and all I could think of was the
nasty little That's what it was covered lint covered, silicone face,

(57:16):
and your dead giveaway that it's the doll and not
the baby because you can only have the baby on
camera for like twenty whole minutes in a day. Is
that you take it in that way where the whole
time you turn it, you never turn its face toward
the camera, and you're like, that's a doll. That's how
you know it's a doll. Was a lot of acting
going on around him. That feels like a dishonorable mention.

(57:39):
So upset, I want to know what. We gotta have
a happy one, you guys, what's an honorable mention in
this episode? Is the skills Dad or Principal Turner or
it's you know what it is. It's the trifecta of
step in dads. It's Whitey Principal Turner and skills Dad,
Chuck Taylor step in Dad's step in Dad. Oh, I

(58:00):
love this instead of step Dad's step in dads. I
feel like there's a whole organization about to happen. That's
remember that thing a couple of years ago that there
was um there was a school was it was it
in southern California? I can't remember the story went viral
about how they were doing a day at the school
with dads. Breakfast with dads. Yeah, and so many kids

(58:21):
either you know, grew up in single parent households or
had dads who worked crazy hours and couldn't come. And
all these dads in the community came to school and
their shirts and ties and sat in. Oh that makes
me solb Oh, my gosh. There's a guy. There's a
guy on Instagram who does this. I gotta find his
Have you seen it? This guy who loves It's like
breakfast with dad and you just and he gives you

(58:42):
advice while he eats. Yes, I love him. So sweet
to find that tax stepin dads for the wind. Steppin
Dad's good job. Yeah, let's spin a wheel before we
prepare for the end of high school. I can't believe it, Guys,
we've done all of I see. It's intense, really intense.

(59:05):
All right, I'm most likely too, is most likely to
get a speeding ticket? Me? Yeah, the girl who wasn't
allowed to have a car on the show is absolutely
m Yeah. I definitely have had my fair share of
speeding tickets. Unfortunately, do you really? Yeah? I always get

(59:27):
tickets for dump well, I'm I'm an excellent driver, and
so I feel if I do, say somewhere, I was
like I'd got up a New Jersey, I handle the
Tri State area. I am. I'm like, I feel like
I'm connected to the car. I could be like a
race car driver. I feel really good. So when I'm
behind a wheel, I don't hesitate. I'm not a drive

(59:48):
with both feet. Sometimes I know how to stop and
go how to I know how to you know, like
come up fast on something, slowdown, move out of the
way and again and navigate the whole thing. So sometimes
if I got to get somewhere, I get a little
too cocky. And yeah, I've been pulled over a couple
of times. I mean it's one way to meet people.
I think maybe it's because I've done a lot of
that training. Like I've done some track stuff and some

(01:00:10):
some stuff, you know, stunt training in cars and like
high speed chase stuff fun that Now I'm like, oh,
I know how complicated that is. And now I'm the
woman in my neighborhood who screams at people to slow down.
I'm like, where are you going? What's so important? What's
so important you have to run over the neighbor's cat.
Oh my god, I have become that person who's just

(01:00:31):
like I don't have anywhere to go. That's that important.
I never thought that I would I would be that
person because like my favorite thing to do is be like, no,
I can do it. I can do all the stunts
for this high speed chase. Watch, let's go get thee
you know, get the crane car out, let's do it.
And I don't know, man, I don't know if I
burned it out, but I'm I have become a very chill,

(01:00:54):
very mellow driver. You cannot go speedy through a neighbor.
That's like a numb that's just a basic role. You're
not supposed to do it. People used to go so
fast in my neighborhood in California, and I had fantasies
about sitting out on my patio and just sitting there
with a big bucket of eggs and wait, just waiting

(01:01:15):
for cars to start speeding through and just nail them.
But never did it. But there's time. I don't know
who on the show has meant what character? Yeah, which
character do we think is a speed demon who's got
some aggression? Deb? Probably deb Yeah, Yeah, yeah, because I'm
trying to think if anyone else, like Nathan's not anymore,

(01:01:37):
maybe season one he would what if Bevin? I feel
like it's got to be a girl. It's just got
to be someone that's like is convertible season less role?
I know Bevan's a good one. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Well not us. Don't speed kids, You've got plenty of time.
But we're out of time. Wow, what do we got next?

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It's the all night graduation party. It is episode twenty one.
All of a sudden, I miss everyone. This is gonna
be Is this the Spice Girls dance episode that's coming up?
We all look after graduation, I have the baby and
we all go to the cabin. Is that it? Wait?
I have a baby. I can't go to a cabin
and dance after I have a baby. No, it's we've
been to the cabin. We um, it's that like abandoned house.

(01:02:23):
Oh yeah, abandoned house. But do I do that after
having a baby? Maybe it's Oh yeah, girl, you sure do. Wow,
that's gonna be interesting to watch. Good luck everybody. Yeah,
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