The Great Betrayal • EP510

Nanny Carrie strikes again and is causing all the drama! And, why can't Nathan be honest with anyone?

Hilarie, Sophia and Joy felt all the emotions watching this episode… jealousy, anger, frustration. Find out which Drama Queen almost threw their shoe at the screen!

Plus, the girls discuss Rachel's return and a few real-life stories on why background checks aren't always a bad idea.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A hi family drama queens here. As you know, our
union SAGAFTRA is on strike now.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
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abuses of power. It is the very basis of our
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
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(01:28):
Now onto the drama.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
First of all, you don't know me.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
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all about them high school queens. We'll take you for
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Speaker 4 (01:47):
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Speaker 1 (01:53):
Welcome to Drama Queens. Oh boy, well listen.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think this is a perfect example of why we
have to pay writers, because I'm sure this was a
first draft like this does on and you carried it, Joy,
You carried this first draft so hard because it's like
it's the big fight between Nathan and Haley about Nanny Carey,

(02:20):
like all of a sudden, all the information is coming
to light, and Carrie's like, girl, he loves me. He
doesn't even love you, and he kissed me and it
is heinous and you carried it.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Thank you. Yeah. There was Yeah, there was a lot.
There was a lot to handle on this episode, a
lot of juggling, a lot of like, man, I don't
know if I would be as calm as Haley was
and Nathan came home, if I was like the day
after I had found my husband in the shower with
the nanny. Oh oh no, just as like as a recap.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Let's talk about We're talking about Season five, episode ten,
Running to stand Still air date mark fourth, two thousand
and eight. Sophia see if any of this rings about?
Brook invites Owen to New York for a glimpse into
her business close over Bros.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
And finds Rachel in her apartment.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
A devastating state. That was devastating. Hayley reels from a
devastating blow to her marriage. There is a lot of devastation.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Were calling the shower a devastating blow?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay, that's what Carrie wanted to call it. While Nathan
and Lucas muster their courage to attend Dan's parole hearing,
and then randomly a major record label takes an interest
in Paya's recording artists Miya did you just say?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Paya? Did I know? And Mia Peyton and Mia Pia
is the ship.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I feel like the Peyton Mia stuff is a totally
different TV show. We were just being Saney, like everybody
else is dealing with horrible and we're over there doing
some like you know, Saved by the Bell episode.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Even Quentin's life is changing, oh because in his hand
and like the Yeah, everybody else is dealing with really
heavy stuff and here are you guys are in noises
off it was running around like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
What those guy's crazy. Uh So, just as like a reminder.
When the episode opens, Haley is driving home from the library.
It picks up at the same night as the last
episode left off. Nathan and Jamie get home. First, Haley's
in her car like, baby, you will not believe this,

(04:38):
and he's like, I love you so much, I'll see
you at home. And then it's crazy to me that
all of this happens over the course of twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, yeah, ten minutes later, so I remember, Okay, I
remember shooting that scene. We were on a We were
on a stage that they had set up just Nathan
and Haley's bathroom in, which was never their bathroom again
I think maybe one other time, but otherwise we always
had our bathroom off the bedroom. So that was strange.

(05:08):
It was a completely different set, and if you watch
the episode you'll see I mean, if you watch The
Future and this one, but it was one of those
where it's like, it's a closed set, But how closed
is it? Because people seem to always find their way
onto the set when there's a girl in a shower.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
And there's monitors everywhere.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, monitors everywhere. So poor Tory. I mean, she took
it like a champ. And I wasn't there for most
of it because they did have a lot of close
ups and things that were they shot in the shower
before I got there. But I also remember feeling like,
and I watched that back and I was like, did
I hurt Tory? I really hope, And I kind of

(05:50):
want to text her while we're because I grabbed her
by the back of the head and shoved her out
of the room. You flung her out of the room.
I really need to text her and ask her if
she remembers that seemed I really hope I didn't, but
she sold it really well. If that was just a stunt.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, I wanted the camera to chase her though, joy.
I wanted to see like her body sprawled out on
your bedroom floor, just like naked wet oh man.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
But I did feel kind of i'd felt jealous. I
remember feeling that going in. I was like, this is
not okay.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh isn't that weird? How we know it's not real?
But every like sell in our body is like fite,
it's real, Get mad adrenaline.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
There's also something to that. I think that's really interesting
because you it's not necessarily your jealousy, but like you
do become the steward of your character. You do have
feelings about where she goes and how she's treated. You know.
I remember having issues with storylines being in, thinking to myself,

(07:00):
Brooke Davis does not deserve this, and then I'd go,
this is insane, Like what am I?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
What am I saying?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
But if you do really wanna you want to defend
these women, I mean, we were with them as them
for so long, and yeah, I don't know that kind
of a betrayal. I mean, in the great love story
of our show, that that would have been a hard
pill to swallow.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think, yeah, after you know, five years of being
tied up with attached at the hip, Yeah yeah. Oh.
My armchair theology with some of this too is that
as and I don't know how you guys are in
your real life about this, but for me, especially when
I was younger, acting really was a space like kind

(07:49):
of the only space I allowed myself to really be
vulnerable because it's like, the risk isn't real, but you
can experience the feeling of taking risks and being really
raw and real and vulnerable without there ever actually being
any real stakes like there would be in real life.

(08:10):
And so I think when yeah, I think when things
happen in storylines with characters that I was playing for
a long time, it hit on that nerve of I know,
it's not real, but this is like my one safe
space to be vulnerable. Don't ruin it. It's so dumb.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
The feeling I remember is like they put they put
us through all these like different scenarios, and that's what
TV is. It's like, what's the worst thing we can
throw at this person? And Peyton certainly experienced her fair
share of that, and I remember this overwhelming feeling of
how could you do this to me? And I would

(08:50):
feel it about like the writers, like how could you
do this to Peyton? But I would have to apply
it to the actor in the scene.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Why do you guys keep hurting her? Keep hurting me? Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
And so it's like there's very real stuff going on
in the production that makes you feel like is this
a dig at me? Or is this the character? Because
that line got really blurry I think for a lot
of us in these later years.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
So yeah, that feeling of.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Like are you punishing me? Is this punishment for something?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Is it personal?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Is it what's real?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
What's not real? I don't know anymore?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, well, well.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Enjoy you said something. We started to talk about this
that you don't know that you would have been that calm,
you know, had you found your you know, your husband
in the shower with the nanny like we were so young,
had you ever been through a betrayal like that or
were you having to guess? So you were having to guess.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I don't I mean, I
guess I was thinking, well, they're married, there's the you know,
the commitment is strong and deep there, and there has
to be some level of like, of course she's hurt
and disappointed, but she has to try and listen. That's fair,
So it's trying to be I guess fair. But man,

(10:04):
if I found my husband in the shower with somebody else,
I don't think the next morning I'd be like having
a relatively calm conversation. I don't think that would happen.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
And also it bugs out of me that, like, because
we have to go to like a commercial break, people
don't just have full conversations.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It's like Nathan's saying things, but he's only saying snippets.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
He's like, you don't understand I didn't want her, and
it's like, it's not what you think it is.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Tell me what it is, then, please finish.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Tell me that you thought it was me calming into
the shower and when you turned around, it was this
psycho that has fixated on you.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Why is that so hard? Say the words?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Say it yeah, because boys are bad at communication.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
And then say she started to be inappropriate with me.
I was about to tell you that we needed to
do something about it, because I had spoken to her
about not speaking to me the way she was, and
then she said she'd be different, and then she hit
on me again and literally that I was about to
tell you one night, and she walked in and said
she was quitting, and I thought, you know what, Yeah, good,

(11:08):
she's leaving. I don't need to I don't need to
ruin how my wife and my son feel about this person.
And I'll just make sure she's not in our house anymore.
There's so many things he could have said to you.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, instead he said, he said, I wasn't into her.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, seems like you were if you let that go
for so long he watched me swim naked. Oh oh,
the trajectory of that too. I mean, if we're do
you guys want to bounce around? Do you want to
go one storyline at a time? Girl? Listen, this episode
is no rules man. Oh all right, well, I'll just

(11:47):
finish this one out then, because this was the episode
where Jamie's drowns in the pool, and it was such
a big deal. You know, the fighting and getting him
to float upside down in the pool was a whole thing,
and you know he did, you know, Jackson was awesome.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I can't believe they had him do that, like, yeah, like,
I can't believe his mom was like, sure, sure, let's feel.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
That big episode for a little kid to be yelling
I hate you at someone like even as an actor,
just to have your child yelling that, Yeah, I don't
know how I feel about that at their mom. But
then yeah, doing the dead float. I think he had
a lot of fun doing the dead float. But it
was hard for me to watch it because I had

(12:30):
a dog drown and no like I had that basically
exact experience with an actual pet, and so it was very,
very difficult to watch them. I forgot about this completely.
But then Hayley's holding her son, who's just recovered from drowning,

(12:50):
and then she says the words I want a divorce
right while she's holding him to n Man, I was like,
who wrote this? And thought this was okay? I just
could not. I remember on the day having a very
hard time making that make sense. I still can't.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I thought you, I thought you did. Yeah, I thought
I thought you made it make sense. Like that was
he had taken your attention one last time. Nathan had
taken your attention one last time, and this time it
was a matter of life or death for your son,
like he is a constant distraction to what you should
be focusing on. And I could feel that like grow

(13:30):
the fuck up energy coming from Haley, like that was
an important thing because these boys do have peter Pan qualities.
That yeah, super cute. I could never date boys my
own age because I'm totally grossed out by them because
of those peter Pan qualities. And I could see Haley's exasperation,
just like I'm done.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah. That very typical archetype of the person who centers
every situation on them, who puts themselves in the center
of the ring every time, all the time, and you
just go Eventually, you can't keep saying sometimes I need
to be in the center. Eventually you have to say
I can't be in the ring with you anymore.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
When he said to Haley, Haley's like, you know, everything's
about you. And when he says to Haley, everything I
do is for this family, girl, I almost threw my shoe.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I was pissted because I was like.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Wait, when she got into Stanford and you poked out
basketball and then she still didn't get to go to Stanford,
or when she gave birth to your baby because you
didn't use protection.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, or you sat in your wheelchair and moped for
like a really long time and setting fingering out how
to like get get up and go to physical therapy
and work through everything and find a new job and
find you find a way to still keep going in
life because people suffer and that's just part of life.
Like you're not special.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Hailey spent her pregnancy with deb right out of rehab.
Let me take care of your crazy in laws real
quick as a teenager. Say it loud, girl, I'm just
I was mad, and he's got a good heart.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
We love Nathan. It's not that we don't love Nathan.
It's just always have to grow up at some point.
Everybody has to grow, but you know it's time.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
If anything, we catch for always like glossing over Nathan's
faults and like picking on Lucas.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So here you go.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
We have a list.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Kids at home.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Don't worry, friends, we have lists. I think it's such
a good representation, though, of that very real dynamic in relationships,
where two people can be living in the same house
having completely different experiences, like this person thinks the room
is red and this person thinks the room is purple,

(15:46):
and like, you have no idea. The other Deerson has
a different feeling, but.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
In tree Hill, those are the only two color rooms
that exists.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know, I obviously was thinking about yours first, but
it really is interesting to see them modeling these dynamics that.
I mean, you know, there's a million country songs written
about this and not getting it right because they are
a couple who's gotten it right so much and who
we've idealized so much. It I don't know, as a viewer,

(16:20):
I kind of get excited, even though I, on the
one hand, feel your feeling of like why would you
do this to us? On the other hand, I'm like,
it's kind of cool when you see them screw up.
It's cool when you see them not have all the
answers and not be perfect.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, it's true. It's a good storytelling that part.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I think it was also easier for me to be
mad at Nathan because he had a terrible haircut in
this episode, and I was mad at the haircut.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
The whole time of you and I was just like,
I don't like this one. Grow that back out. It
wasn't It wasn't my fave either.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Isn't it easier to be mad at a character when
you're like that outfits dumb.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
You look steeping.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
He looked just so MOPy and sweaty and like mad,
and he had too much product on his hair.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I hated it. Yeah, it's one of those days. Well,
you know who else had a pretty crazy look in
this episode was Dan with the handlebar mustaches in prison.
If by crazy you mean awesome.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I love Paul at that handlebar. I thought it was great.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Prison Paul is hot, is good, just a good look.
It's pretty wild. It's pretty funny to see him like that,
But I know he was having fun with it. Well
that's it. He had total freedom just to be like
Y did freak. You know. Yeah, if you guys are
bringing me back on a recurring basis, I'm just gonna
do whatever the hell they want. He seems like he's
more free now, I think, and I think maybe it's

(17:46):
because of the fact that they had I think at
this point they had switched him to a recurring instead
of series regular, and which basically that just means, folks,
that you're not bound to live there as a local.
They bring you in and out based on the episode
they want to hire you for So there's just more

(18:06):
a little bit more freedom to say no to things
if you want. And I think maybe the autonomy, the
feeling of autonomy to say no when he wanted to,
made him feel more free because it's coming out in
his work too. You could just see it in his eyes.
He's being playful with the character. Yeah, but this is
pretty good. What do we think about Dan getting parole?

(18:26):
Did we? Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
My god? Well, listen, hey, so Scott a jump, she's
got someone bang door. You go, baby, we're gonna talk
about Dan talk. We love you, I love you.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Bye. Guys.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Like we said, there's no rules this episode. We can
wing in it, which I hope everyone in the home
is too. Should we start a drinking game?

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
All right.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
When you hear us say nanny Harry, I'll jump in
for soph because one of my favorite Sophia quotes is
what I will say, what I will say, So every
time this will be an ode to Sophia. Whenever you
hear when I will say, we'll take a little shot
in honor of her.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
For me, if I deflect from anything emotional with like
a terrible joke or just something inappropriate, you can drink.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Oh man, let's start the list. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't do feelings well, and thankfully Peyton has zero
feelings in this episode, which is wow, so great for me.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, listen, I did love. What I will say is
that I loved I loved Peyton taking charge in a
new way. And I think for some reason, the watching
you in this episode right now, I kind of was
able to look. I had this like bird's eye picture

(19:54):
of everything Peyton's gone through over the last four seasons,
five seasons, and how she's and just honestly to see
you behind that desk making real decisions, standing up for
yourself with douchebags, and not from a place of like
I got to stand up for myself, but actually just
being dropped into your body and being a woman. There's
nothing to prove she's just I mean, there is insecurities,

(20:15):
and there there were clearly like how do I figure
this out? But it felt so mature and that was
really fun to see Peyton living in that space.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
It was weird timing though, right like we were in
the library the night before. Peyton's all like I love
Lucas and now I've got to deal with this, like
heaviness yeah, literally the next day, like not a reference
to it, just like, yeah, Mia, we got to figure
this out.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
It was kind of Actually that's true because the library
was like all of Peyton's insecurities and immaturities on display
at eleven, and now she's just like superboss businesswoman, like
you know what, it's all sorted out. I let that
man go. He's going to marry somebody else, and now
I'm focusing on my career mine. I guess de finds it.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
So for all those chicks at home that are like
Tyiton sabotage and every one of Lucas's relationships wrong, I'm
just trying to get me on tour with Ryan Adams.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Really yeah, did that ever happen?

Speaker 2 (21:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I mean I don't know. Did it? Did we have
him on the show. I guess we're gonna find out.
I mean I can't remember at all.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I just love that set. I love that once we
utilize the pool table with poor Kate vocal. They were like,
now we're going to use the pool table in every episode,
but we're never letting Kate playpool again.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, you just lined up those shots. Let me just
tell you how this is gonna go. Pop pop pop, Yeah,
you'll be fine. Well, it was fun to have John
back well with what's his name's not actually John, I
forgot the name of the actor, but the guy playing
the record label exactly. It was fun to see that
banter again and see how that stress come back into

(21:57):
Peyton's life.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I loved him because he he would just he was
a mature actor, right, he'd been doing this forever. Yeah,
and all the insecurities that we had about asking questions
or not knowing how to say something or what to
do with our bodies, like, he did not have those
same problems. His feet up on the desk was totally

(22:19):
a hymn choice.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh great.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
He for the life of him could not say me
at Cottlano's last name, and he would just be like
we have, which, for the last time I thought was
a choice. I thought he was doing it as a
choice in the scene like, yeah, he doesn't even care
what her last name is, and they're like, no, you
have to say her name meam, because maybe it was

(22:44):
the first time we were actually like hearing her name.
He was great, And I loved episodes like that because
when you have multiple scenes in the same space, uh,
with the same actor you do all your shit in
one day, and then you're free.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
The whole rest of the episode.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
So I always look back on these episodes just like, yeah,
I must had a lot of fun that week.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Was it fun to nice to just have a break
from all the Lucas drama to be able to be
in working women mode? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
And I think it was so much more realistic to
where we were in real life. You know, like at
that point we had we were all in relationships, but
like we were also all hustling. We were all really
focused on like work, what are we going to do next?
What are we going to do on hiatus? How do
I make this work? In season five, you know, we

(23:35):
signed six year contracts and so you're starting to see
the light at the end of the tunnel, and it's
like it's like, oh, I've got to line myself up
so that i have a place to go after this.
So I did feel a lot of that frantic energy
of like, oh, make it count, make it count, make
it count. And I, you know, was starting a production company,

(23:55):
and it's fun to watch like a kid think that
they're doing grown up business talk, you know, and you're
just like, oh, that's so earnest. I wonder how many
people I had production meetings with for my production company
that were just like, she's.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Trying so durable, she's learning. I don't think that was
ever the case. You were always you always had great
vision and really like knew what you wanted. I mean,
I always took you seriously when you were talking well actually.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, And if anybody wasn't taken as seriously, they wouldn't
say it to our face. They'd wait till we left
the room. No, And I love the Kate is like
getting to do more. Yeah, she's getting to be really
I forgot that it was a payton mea setup with John.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I totally forgot that too. That was great.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I was just really like, really, this chick's gonna
go off and pout like what Peyton.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Can't get a break?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, she sold it. She was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
And I like how much time I was getting to
spend with her because I do know, you know, in
all these years since that she had been warned to
stay away from me and oh right, yeah, but all
of our scenes are together and we're clearly having a
great time, and so I'm excited to have Kate on

(25:15):
at some point and get her perspective because she was
like a little kid.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I was just thinking that, like, what a strange time
to be. I mean, can you imagine being that young?
I think she was she was nineteen or twenty. She
was nineteen. She was still a teenager.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Man.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Here, let's get we want to put you on a
major TV show. You're going to be with all these
chicks who are older than you. Watch out for some
of them. It gets treacherous there. And she's an't even
a famous singer that like, she was just trying to
She wasn't an actress. She was a singer. Who was
I mean, what a bizarre thing to have happened to
you at nineteen years old to be out singing and

(25:51):
have somebody be like you want to be on a
TV show and go uh uh huh yeah sure. And
now it's full storylines and she's learning how to act
from some of the best and abyss just hanging out
with Hillary Burton on set and just like watching everything happen.
I mean, and she's on this huge show and she
gets to sing on the show and it's all the
storyline created about her. That's she handled it amazing. She did,

(26:16):
and she learned. She came in with so much humility
and excitement and just wanted to learn. It was great.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, she never had any ego like I have to imagine, well,
having worked at MTV and dealing with like young musicians
like there are a le Hill who shall remain nameless,
who you know, I don't like who had such an
ego as armor, And Kate Vogel never had Batman.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
She was just always like, Hey, cool, do you guys
like tea? You want to go make tea together at
craft service? And also these are good chocolates and like,
you know, like she was just so easy to be with. Yeah,
it's so fun to see something to hang out with
somebody who has wonder, especially.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
For oh that's the perfect word for her.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, because especially when you've been working in this business
for so long, or any business where you it's become
a business for you in a lot of ways, and
you know kind of you know too much in the
ins and outs to be around someone who really just
has wonder about it, it's exciting. Its me. It reminds
me why I fell in love with all of this
in the first place. When you get to be around
somebody who's experiencing it for the first time.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, she was our Bambi, Like she had the little
baby deer legs at the beginning when she first started
and was a little nervous with those big eyes and
just like, oh cool, neat so great.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well. I loved that storyline. I loved the setup, even
though it really was a strange in this episode, Like
it didn't it just didn't fit. It didn't fit at all.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's because we shot all our stuff in one day
and we weren't interacting with anyone else, so we had
no idea what the tone of the whole rest of
the episode was. And also, like, in what world does
Haley not get on the phone that night and call
all the chicks that she was just locked in the.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Library with one hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
These writers had no idea what girlfriends are like, Like,
it doesn't matter if you just had the biggest blow
up ever, Hailey is gonna get on speed Dowal and
be like, get over here, bring the rose.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
The only thing I could think of, maybe why Haley
wouldn't do that, is that she she does has spent
a lot of time trying to trying to I don't
know that building up an image is the right word.
But she I think she really constantly feels like she's

(28:34):
in a place of mothering everyone and sort of taking
care of and giving advice and telling you know, it's
like it's it's a character flaw. And so to be
the person in the position where everything's falling apart, it's
not working the way she thought it would it's all
and to have to admit like, actually I don't have
it all together that might have been really really hard

(28:54):
for her. That might have felt like a lot of
shame or something.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I mean, it's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
It is embarrassing. But these are your best girlfriends or
call Lucas like that. If that's not a breaking point,
what is, right? Like, that's the breaking point where were
like I can't, I can't handle it.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
We're called child is asleep in that house. The child
heard you yell get the guy out that too.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I was like, wait, the kid doesn't get up? Yeah,
oh Jamie totally saw her like naked run across the house. Totally,
There's no way he didn't. Everyone in that house.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Has seen Nanny Carey naked.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Damn. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Okay, so let's talk about Nanny carey going to visit
the school the next day, because.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
What school allows. First of all, where was he going
with his backpack and his jacket that somebody just did?
I just drop him off? And then he just walks
into this huge campus with no not how it worked, teacher, no, no,
yeah no. And then this strange woman just gets to
approach a kid near near a parking lot. That was
all real.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I mean you have I mean I guess maybe
if she was on the emergency contact form because she
had been dropping him off for the last month.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
But how much time has gone by.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's still like, you know, school just started, Haley just
had her first day the basketball team just I none
of this makes sense. This is one of those episodes
where I'm gonna get crazy about the details because even
the big stuff doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
But that's the first thing I would do, probably is
called the school the next morning and take her off
the emergency contact list.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I would call maybe a restraining order.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Would word every little legal angle I could to make
sure that chick vanished.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
That is my worst It's not my worst nightmare, but
it's a pie up on the list of having your
kid emotionally taken advantage of at that young age.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Can you imagine when you think about, like your kid's
that young if somebody was somebody who was in your
home was just like insidiously trying to pit.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Them against you.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Don't cut you. Oh yeah no.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I don't like when like grown ups talk to kids
like confidants. That's a weird flex. If you don't have
friends to talk to, you've got the internet, just get
on a chat room or some weird but like, don't
dump your stuff on kids. And Carrie being like, your
mommy doesn't like me, He's sending me away.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I'm real picky about who my kids talk to. Yeah, yeah,
me too. That's that's really scary. And she's, man, this
is why you have to vet the people that you
put around your kids.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Girl. Can I just tell you that my husband made
so much fun of me because anytime I would hire
someone to do work at any house we've ever lived at,
he would joke and he's like, Oh, you're gonna go
full burten, aren't you. And I would vet the out
of people on the internet, and I would know where
they went to middle school, high school, who their friends are,

(31:56):
how many times have been divorced, you know, like I
know everything before i'd the men. And so when we
first moved here to the farm, I needed to get
the house painted because I was peeling and stuff, and
he was teasing me about it, and I was like,
you know what, Okay, fine, I won't vet the person
this time and we'll see how it goes, right, And
so I felt like I was finally like relinquishing some.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Paranoia time out. Did you hire the person or did
Jeff hire the person?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Oh? I hired the person, And it was just.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Based on you went on your gut or you just
you made a random call. Did you meet the person?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I interviewed three different people.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Okay, and so you just like went on a gut instinct.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
And this one showed up dressed professionally, had like a portfolio,
had a really like business quote. And what I have
learned since my late twenties is that your trade guys
shouldn't be like they should be a nightmare. The inside
of their truck should be a mess, like they should
just be like a total disaster, because they'll do the

(32:58):
best work. This guy, this guy was like so official,
and so then like weird things started happening, and like
the job was taking three times as long as it
should have and like, yeah, people weren't showing up. Turned
out he was just painting the entire property by himself
and like nothing was adding up. And then I was

(33:18):
in like the old ramshackle farmhouse that was originally on
the property here and I hear a buzzing in a
drawer down there, and I find a random cell phone
and I'm like, what is this? No one's supposed to
be inside this house, Like why is there a phone
in here? And I am holding on to it and

(33:38):
then like I I don't know who it belongs to,
but I'm super creeped out and it's it's his phone,
and I'm like it's one thing if it's in the house,
but like why is it in this drawer?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
And like what's going on? It was so weird, kind
of like an abandoned house because it's yeah, worked one, okay.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, I had been going down there by myself, just
like doing renovations and time and stuff. Yeah, And I
went and I looked him up and he had been
arrested for embezzling at like a different company, and I
think he did some prison time like it was like,

(34:15):
but it was the one time, the one time I
didn't do my homework. So women out there, especially women
out there, do not feel guilty about about checking everyone out.
Just go ahead and sign up for one of those
websites that allows you to do background checks on people.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
It is worth yes, and ask ask invasive questions that
are I mean professionally appropriate, but like, go ahead, yeah,
have you ever been arrested?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, that should be the first question you ask everyone,
whether you're dating or you're working to get you'm arrested.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Hillary, I came home once and found out I hired
a housekeeper on care dot com, and I did you know.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I did.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I did a little research. But I also was like
kind of overwhelmed. I was like I was Haley when
she was overwhelmed. And there were a few little there
were a few little things leading up like she like,
I was just kind of scared to talk about this,
yeah right now, but like she she was she started
following me on Instagram and then like like texting me

(35:19):
comments about my Instagram posts. And I was a little like, okay,
I mean if it was a little boundary, but I mean,
you know whatever, But she was the thing was she
was about sixty, so it wasn't like a young girl
who wasn't I thought, Oh, I don't know, maybe she's
bored whatever. And then there were a couple other little
things that were red flags and I wasn't sure. And
then I came home one day and she's cleaning the
house wearing my shoes. What what?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Did she take her shoes off and put your shoes on?
She did? Indeed, Like what kind of shoes? Are we talking?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Like crocs or heels or like what I want every detail?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
No, she was hot and so took her sneakers off
and put on my sandals and she'd gone in my
closet and just like took out my flip flops and
was wearing them. And it was like, Oh, you don't mind.
I was just hot, and so you I do I do?
I do mind? I do mind you putting my shoes on.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Because oh boy, I look at everything like an iceberg,
Like that's just.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
What you could see. This is what I'm saying, Yeah,
we don't know what was under the surface, like what
she was doing when you were gone, right, That's what
freaks me out. But anyway, there's there's just you just
never know, and you gotta you gotta vet people, and
clearly Nanny Carey was not vetted. You know what.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
That's why Hayley didn't call her girlfriends because we all said, yes,
Hick is no bueno. You would have called Lindsay, though
Lindsay would Lindsay had her like sat across from her
at dinner.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I would have called Lindsay or Lucas. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But it's also I don't know, Oh, I guess if
you're again, like if she's trying to hold everything together
and she's trying to be do everything right, to admit
that she's not probably would be hard. But anyway, I'm

(37:14):
excited to see where this goes because I remember how
crazy this storyline gets, and it's we're in the we're
on the route to some real intense drama. But nothing
in this episode was besides Jamie drowning was as intense
as finding rachel In Brooks a hotel room in New
York on Heroin and right, it was such a weird

(37:39):
I mean, like even before that, it just took such
a weird turn because we were going from sort of
this like frustration but also a little bit of any
comedy with you and Kate into Brooke and Owen. It's
like cute, flirty, kind of fun. Then they go into
her apartment in New York and it's all like cute

(37:59):
and fun. But as soon as they opened the door,
then this like horror movie music starts all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, and it's and what's hilarious is that
the horror movies music starts when the camera pans to
all the dirty dishes, right, who was here? It was
like Goldilocks man, Yeah, like dirty dishes.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
Oh god, I thought it was gonna be Victoria in
her apartment.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I told her. I thought.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I thought she was going to open the door and
like Victoria would be having sex with someone or like
just like.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
You push me aside and now I'm a mess. Yeah
for sure. But then we ended up seeing I mean,
I was really, actually, really happy to see Daniel, even
though I didn't like seeing her like that, but it
was nice to see her back on the show for
a minute. I couldn't wait for the rest of the
episode just to watch your work, which was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah,

(38:58):
that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
It's like Daniel was unafraid to just be messy and
I think that there had been this expectation of who
Rachel was, like Rachel's always going to be the put together,
pressy betch you know. And Daniel, they threw her this curveball,
and it, you know, does feel punishing in a way
of like you're the mess. And she did such a

(39:23):
great job. She just leaned into like the performance. She
was like, you can't have that power for me. Sure
you want to give me a storyline, I'm gonna show up.
Even if it felt like there was some an I
hate when my vocabulary words disappear, even if there was
some motive that wasn't pure in that, she just took
the power right back and was like, I got this.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Let me take care of this storyline.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Because her beauty had been powerful, right and had been
powerful in front of the camera and behind the camera,
and she had removed herself from the situation ye taking
her power with her and so when she's brought back
and she's stripped of that thing, she just shows up with.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
A whole other set of tools. She's like, watch this, bitches,
I love her. It was so good. She looked and
she really felt like a little girl. I felt like
I was watching she looked just like her daughter. She
looked just like jjes. Yes, yeah, no makeup, totally unashamed,

(40:27):
totally leaning into the the raw vulnerability of it, not performing,
not trying to perform as a person who was struggling.
She just just sat in it. Man, Yeah, that was
such a good performance. Well.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Also, the thing that struck me is that I have
had to deal with addiction issues with people that I
love in the past, right, and like getting them to
rehab is super important. And when Owen like sets up
the rehab situation, the first thing I'm thinking is like,
how are they going to get to bed? You know,

(41:04):
like there's no room and facilities. How's Brooke just going
to take her somewhere on day one? And as I'm
sitting there and I'm like, well, they have to get
they have to take her, they have to take her.
Danille's performance convinced me don't leave me alone.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
It's like I can see how Brooke knows what the
right thing to do. It's the right thing is to
take her to rehab. Like heroin is not a thing
that you get over at home, that's right, not a
home project. But because Rachel is so vulnerable and so raw.
Like you said, when she says, don't leave me alone,

(41:46):
that's the scarier thing that. I mean, that's scarier than
the drug is being left alone.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Oh yeah, does she I hope she does end up.
I think she does take her to rehab, but maybe
it's Intrey Hill or some maybe she takes her some
plays more local where she can be near her. I
can't remember. I just and also Heroin, like needles.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Come on now, So intense pills were a thing back
everybody's addicted to pills, you know what I mean, Like
that could have been a cleaner thing.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
They went down the darkest road they possibly could. And
then also like Owen's showing up and that it was
like are we in a cop drama right now? Are we?
I don't don't understand what show I'm watching. He did great.
I mean, Joe really showed up and leaned into the
hero of it all. I'm going to save the day

(42:36):
and you know, pretending to be a junkie and all
of it. Like I get conceptually why it was made sense.
In maybe the writer's room they are like, oh, let's
do this, but let's go I just didn't love the execution.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Well, no, we had already tackled serious stuff with like
the school shooting episode, and yeah, it's a lot we've
done serious subject about her on the show, and this
felt like one of those serious things where they really
didn't necessarily consult like a expert or like a real
drug advocacy personally.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
This is like the nine O two one oh version of.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
It, just like what he's going to slap her three times?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
The slap God, those were really intense.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Somebody's in like the folly, you're like mixing stage and
they're just like add like smacking a ham sound on there,
so it sounds really intense, Like I don't think he
certainly didn't hit her to make that big of a
noise in real life, but they of course not.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
They added that sound. I was like, yeah, what was
but he was fully in it. And then the shower
and like.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Come on Rightchael, come on whoa yeah, just carry some
narcan man.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Beating the guy up. I think this was when Joe
maybe was auditioning for True Blood. I wonder if the
episodes coencide. She was like, Okay, I have this other
job that really needs to see me as like a
super tough guy. He might turn into a werewolf in
that shower with me. At any moment, Owen was going
to turn into a warm one.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Hun and him beating up the dealer too was so
fun just I mean, it was like, why didn't he
just go into the hallway. Why did he bring him
inside the apartment to do it. They've got one of
those freight elevators. He could have beat him in the
freight elevator, totally, yes, But he brought him inside to

(44:33):
where the two girls were.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I guess maybe if there are cameras, he didn't want
to end up getting arrested. Maybe. I don't know, but
I have to say I will say. I will say.
I will say that when when I watched Brooke in
this episode and think about the trajectory of of her,

(44:55):
know she she does have her confidence in business, so
that's where she her sweet spot is. But we've seen
her vulnerability with her mom and still kind of trying
to figure it out with men and and but she's
been living in her comfort zone of work and to
have a guy come around that she can't manipulate and

(45:16):
she can't not I don't know that I'm saying Brook
is manipulative. But we all have our like little tricks
in our twenties. We have the bag of tricks, yes, totally,
and so her bag of tricks don't work on Owen.
And I feel like being put in a position where
she's totally helpless and realizing that she needs to grow more,

(45:39):
like when you have that moment in life where you go, oh,
there's a I'm being presented with an opportunity to grow
into more maturity in a new way. And I feel
like he gets to be he and Rachel get to
be a vehicle for her in that as she's just
observing all of this happening, feeling helpless, not knowing what
to do. And I feel like it really ties in
with what's going on with her mom, and that when

(46:02):
she starts to step into her own skin and step
into that maturity, it's really going to affect her ability
to also stand up to her mother and take kind
of just take the reins and just accept, Like, you know,
that's one of the hardest things for any girl to
accept if you grow up having a mom, that it
feels like you have to raise your mom instead of

(46:22):
the other way around. And I think what I've observed
about that is that at some point the world just
has to switch and you just kind of have to
accept it and forgive and go Okay, I didn't I
didn't get what I thought I should have in that space.
But it's okay, and we're going to just switch this
into something new. And I'm really looking forward to seeing

(46:43):
her do that with Victoria. So yeah, it's a very
long winded way of saying I'm excited for Brook's future.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
I know what it's like to have your parents be
like people are using you, you know what I mean.
Your parents have control over you for a big chunk
of your life, and when they tell you that something
is a danger or that something is the wrong path,
you're like, oh yeah, of course, of course.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
And then you hit that point in adulthood where you're like, wow,
maybe it's not do you know what's best?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Terrible to open myself up to people maybe that maybe
like vulnerabilities cool And to see Brook go through that.
And these two people who Victoria could absolutely you know,
characterize as leeches on her life. This friend who's a
junkie who was a terrible model that we had to fire,

(47:36):
and then Owen, what's he ever? Gonna be He's an
ex addict bartender. These are people that can't offer Brooke
Davis anything. They can't offer her anything material, but they
can offer her everything emotional. And being able to identify
that as a young adult is really important because some

(47:58):
of the most important friendships you have are going to
be with people who aren't aroung on the ladder.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Absolutely well, I love that for her, and I'm glad
that Rachel's coming back to Tree Hill.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Because we're gonna have fun.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, we had fun in that little like apartment set
because it was just a bunch of brassy chicks being no.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I missed that. I missed that energy. We've gotten so
far away from that with all the other new people
that they brought in, and you know, I get it.
I mean, people have been watching us for four years,
four and a half years. They wanted to start diversifying
a little bit. But I do miss I missed the
three girl energy that we watched a lot in the
first few seasons. That was so fun, and I hope

(48:43):
we're getting more of that coming up soon.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
We've got to get rid of all these husbands and boyfriends.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I know, send them packing for a little while.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Well, Quinn's going through the same thing that Rachel's going through,
just like a total identity loss crisis.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I mean my son there's like a school jock thing
at Gusa's school and he doesn't participate in it. I mean,
he does rec league basketball because it's goofy and like
there's no there's like nothing at stake. It's just fun
and like you're far and around with your friends. But
the seriousness of some of the sports stuff. We talk

(49:21):
about it and I'm just like, but if that's something
that you want to do, cool. But I do know
from doing my show at least that like a lot
of addiction stems from high school sports because you push
your body when it's in its growth phase, interesting, and
you get addicted to painkillers because you've got to have

(49:41):
your ACL replaced, you've got to go the physical there.
But you've got to do like all this stuff to
repair yourself. And I don't understand why we're pushing a little.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Kids so hard. Yeah, we don't do that in theater, right,
Like no kid who.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well I'm talking like I'm telling you, like public school,
high school theater. Those kids aren't going to rehab and
getting put on oxy and to get through they're not.
It's a different kind of team sport. I do worry
for someone like Quentin.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
The pressure to be excellent. You gotta be the best,
and when everybody around you, you know, big fish, small pond,
everybody around you is telling you you're You're the best,
You're the best. You gotta this is your life, this
is who you are. I mean, he's built his clearly
built his entire identity around basketball and his abilities to
be superior.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Did you notice that Nathan spent more time talking to
Quinton than he did his own life.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I didn't notice that.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, he goes and he has a whole ass like
emotional conversation with Quentin and like feelings and all this.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Meanwhile his wife is sitting at home just like I'm
gonna kill him. Yeah, that's interesting. Just deciding to not
spend one hundred percent of his energy.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I'm gonna make a pitch stop at the high school
gym as a grown as man.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Just talk to this kid, I mentor for a second,
because I'm in such a great position to do that.
That is really strange.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Nathan fails that. Nathan gets an f this episode. I'm
mad at it.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I did feel a little bit like James was just
kind of bored with this episode. I don't not as
not I would never know that as a viewer watching
an actor, but just knowing James, Yeah, there was some
moments I was just like, you're bored, aren't you? Buddy.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
My favorite moment, my favorite moment of Nathan is when
he and Lucas are driving back from the parole board
meeting and Luke's just like, how could you do that?
And Nathan's like he's such a little kid in that
moment because he's like we talking.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
About yuh we do we want to? Like he was
just so like, I don't, I wantn't really think about it.
Why is everybody mad at me today? Yes? Oh can't
do anything right? Everybody's mad at me? Oh he what's
with today today? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
He just everyone's pissed at him, and Lucas has like
a great reason for being pissed at him too, Like
had Lucas and Haley joined forces.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Oh god, that would have been so good. I would
have paid money to have that line be in the
in the script, Nathan walk out of the room just
like throwing something down and be like, man, what is
with today?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, he just could not win. But the parole thing
was weird because you know, like we've covered cases where
people who are clearly innocent go up for parole and
and parole boards are like notoriously not into it, especially

(52:43):
on like violent offenses. If you're in there for like weed,
if you're in there for whatever, they're like, yeah, all right,
we're overpopulated to get out.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
But if you shot your.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Brother and you cop to it and now you're in
this parole board hearing and you're like, it's because he
stole my girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
It's a little reverse psychology though that he's trying to do.
Which is I belong in here. Do not let me
out if for some reason, you guys need the space
and happen to decide I'm the one that needs to leave, Liz,
I just promise open up a bed. Yeah, like, I'll
do the best that I possibly can, but truly, like
you should keep me. I deserve to be in here,

(53:25):
Bael Gross No, the thing that they look for is remorse.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Right, Like, yeah, like I can't live with myself because
I did this, and I have been volunteering. I'm a
teacher for other inmates now I'm a part of this
church in the prison, you know, like they're looking to
see what your civic responsibilities have been in the ecosystem
of the prison and things like that. And there's just
no fucking way that those boys would be in a

(53:53):
room with him him, not shackled to the chair, you know,
like there's again they didn't consult a drug expert. We
clearly didn't have a prison expert on our show, but
that would have been fun, Like can you imagine if
they were, like, we've got to fly in the prison expert.
We've got got some knowledge getting dropped on these kids

(54:14):
right now.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I thought Lucas's speech was effective. I did too. I
did too. It was nice to see him out of
out of romantic drama zone. Also just to give him
this opportunity to stretch a different muscle.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Well, and where's lindsay. If she loves him so much,
why isn't she comforting him?

Speaker 1 (54:35):
They didn't want to pay for another actor in the episode.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
It's either Paul or Mikaela.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
They only had they only had money for one and
they have Hadnill.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah, oh yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
And Owen, all right, look, we spent.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Our Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Bye, Well, what did we miss anything?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I think we got it all. I can't think of anything.
You know who I miss though? Barbara? I need some
Barbara in my life. And really bass, Deb I need
some Antoine. Why wasn't Deb in the parole hearing room?
Where was she? Yeah? He's threatened her so many times
on Why wasn't she there? Karen should have had a
letter that was read, Yes, I know, Oh, drop the ball,

(55:18):
drop the ball. Friends, thank you for listening to all that.
We have some listener questions if you want to move
on all right.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Carrie wants to know if your characters and their moms
got a mother daughter.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Tattoo, what do you think they would get?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Oh? Your mom was real bohemian on this show.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yes, yeah, oh gosh. I actually just got a text
from Bess Armstrong a few days ago. I love her.
I think she's uh, we might both be at this
twenty twentieth anniversary thing in Wilmington. She's as great if
anybody's going, what would what would she get? Oh? That's

(56:06):
so good. I feel like, well, Haley's already got her
twenty three?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Would it be weird if her mom also got the
twenty three as the tramp stamp that's so cute on
you get a toy.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I feel like they'd get a little like a little tree,
like a matching. Maybe there's a tree over a over
a I mean, well, I don't want to steal Peyton's
thunder the one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you
know I was going to say over a gravestone. I
wouldn't want to steal like I could see Peyton getting
a getting a tattoo of some sort of more that

(56:43):
was in the grip. Yeah, it is a little macab
I don't know if you Yeah, maybe some sort of
adventurous like or something from their travels, like a place
at Haley, you know, to remind Haley that there is
more of the world out there besides Tree Hill and
to get out because her mom was always trying to
was always traveling. You know, they left all the kids
once they were old enough. I've got a trailer, sold
the house and took off. That her mom had such

(57:03):
a sense of adventure. Yeah, that I think Lydia would
probably want to encourage Haley to get something that has
to do with maybe maybe like a little like a
Avian postage stamp or something something cute. That's like travel,
Get out there, babe, don't just get don't just stay here,
don't forget Like there's big, wide world out there.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Trail's fine, but have you ever been to Santa Fe?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
You know, you know, go little cactus there. What about Peyton?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
It's definitely a song lyric like, yeah, you know, she
only had her first mom around for eight years and
then I think probably filled in a lot of blanks there.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
But her and Ellie for sure are.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Going to some seedy tattoo parlor being like Ramon's lyrics
or like yeah, probably like not a surf or something,
you know, like yeah, something something obscure for sure. Yeah,
that's a no brainer. And I like that where would
Peyton get it?

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Because the thing is, I don't think Peyton wants people
walking up to her and being like, what's your dad
do about? She would be like, I don't want to
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Peyton's gonna put it in the most painful place possible.
I mean, all my tattoos are on my ribs and
everyone's like, oh, it's not a fun place to put them,
and I'm like, but I want to be able to hide.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Them for work.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I don't need people to know my business. Yeah, she's
gonna put it somewhere super painful, like along her.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Spot on top of her foot. Oh yeah, you got that,
and that is that hurts. I would not do that again.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
No. I put one on my hip and it was
all fine and like the fleshy parts, and then they
got right to the hip phone and it was like.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Oh, yeah, why are you doing this to me? Okay,
I'll give you your money. You can the way it
is in with a marker every day. It's fine. I'll
just okay, what's our honorable mention? Oh hmmm, trying I
mean of something.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Jamie's dead Man's float was very pretty good man, pretty convincing,
and it made my butt pucker, like as a parent,
you see that and it is you can feel that
visceral like.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yeah, that's awful. He did a good job. He really did. Yeah.
I don't like there was no other guests. There's no
other even like, uh, you know in Mouth kind of
has a side thing or I mean, there's just nothing
else happening in the episode.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
So, I mean Denille's performance, Danille just being like.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
That was outstanding, truly. Yeah, yeah, I mean yes, for me,
that was the most interesting thing in the episode. I loved.
I loved what she did, and I could have watched
I could have watched a whole hour of her walking
through that character arc. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I was just like sitting on the couch and like
actually talking to Brooke about how she got there.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Maybe we'll get that in up coming episodes spin offs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Next uh next episode, Season five, episode eleven, You're gonna
need someone on your side?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
All right, let's spin that wheel before we see you
guys next week.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Are most likely too?

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Is most likely to start up a conversation with the
person next to them on a plane. Oh you know
this is not me?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Not it me either, be either I'll lean into one, like, man,
if somebody wants to talk to me, I sort of
I'm like, okay, I'm a very I try and be
a little kind of hippy dippy sensitive, like maybe I'm
meant to have a conversation with someone. Okay, I'll like,
but I don't ever start one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
No, it is not me who's starting a conversation. I
don't even know that bevit No, I don't think it's Bevin.
Bevin will be polite, but she's a Southern woman. She's
just like I'll smile. I don't want to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Okay, he's done by that. I think it's Paul. I
think it depends in one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yes, it's Paul all day, because Paul's like, I'm going
to find what your weakness is and I'm going to
work on it with you for the next three to
six hours.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah. Well, it depends on his mood. He's a moody dude,
and so it could be that he gets on the
plane and he's like headphones. I don't want to be
stuck in a conversation. I don't want to be in uh.
But yeah, I guess he could. He could definitely go
either way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
What character, though, I don't know. He's the one to
have the most like sincere conversation on a plane.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah. I feel like Dan would also actually would be
quite likely to strike up a conversation with someone on
a plane because he's always looking for an angle or
you know, do I need to know you? Or do
I need to know you? Yeah, you know, even just
to poke at people and like feel like the typical bully,
like I need to feel better about myself, I'm going
to poke at you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I think she's hungry for experience. It's like, what's this
experience going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Like what can you add?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
What can I suck out of this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Vampire, an emotional vampire.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
That guy all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Right, next week, I hope things turn around for Rachel.
We'll find out so too.

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