January 22, 2024 • 56 mins
There’s a brand new OTH audience as Hilarie watched this episode with her son! Find out his reactions and of course what it felt like for her, watching with him! Plus, naturally, the girls have their own opinions of the episode, including what they absolutely loved, what they didn’t, and what Joy seemingly blocked from her memory!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,
all about them.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
High school queens. We'll take you for a ride.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And our comic girl cheering for the right teams.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Drama Queens Girl Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you
could sit with us.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
You guys, Season six, Episode six, Messing with the Kid.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Some of us think it was awesome. Some of us
think it was a dumpster fire. But we were gonna
find middle ground because there was some cute in this
episode from October twentieth, two thousand and eight, Ready to Go,
Would you guys?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Love and hate?
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I liked this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I was surprised you said you didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I like parts of it, but this is my overall
and the fans. I have seen your feedback. I know
you don't like it when I pick on things. However,
as a professional who watch this episode with her thirteen
year old child, what I will say is that it
felt like each actor only had one day available and
(01:11):
everything was like the same blocking, the same set, like
the same thing over and over again, and the dialogue
was all a reminder of old basic shit that we
already know, Like like there's a conversation in particular between
Haley and Brook where it's like, you're the strongest person
I know because ABCD, You're the strongest person I know
(01:33):
because ABC. And I was just like, what executive note
did we get from Warner Brothers where they were like, hey, guys,
nobody remembers anything from the previous five seasons.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Can you remind them all in one episode?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I mean maybe they were focused more on the on
the comedy, because there were a lot of quips and
a lot of jokes, and I mean a lot of
good one liners and stuff. So I'm wondering if maybe
they were just like, we just need a funny, light episode,
and so they gave it to Haro and Strauss and said,
please just make this funny, and so that's really the
only thing it seemed like they were focused on.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Run.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, I also get the sense like because the humor
and the equips and everything I really enjoyed. I thought
some of the comedy in this episode was great, and
then the things that started to kind of turn into that,
like w want, what are we doing? Why are we
doing exposition together over coffee?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah? You guys are best friends? You? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Like it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I liked the way the scene started and then I went, oh, wait,
are we just going to volley? The same compliment back
and forth, and it it felt to me like one
of those I don't know. The thing that it lit
up in my brain was, is this a bridge episode
to remind like maybe the fans who started in five
or six of some things, because there's some stuff coming,
(02:49):
Like I get that sense that maybe they're trying to
lay pipe for something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Did you just say lay pipe?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Oh my god, I meant late payment. It was. It
was in my head.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I was doing the road. Oh boy, that would have
been a better episode.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
It's really early and I had clearly not had this
coffee yet.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Poor Lucas couldn't lay pipe this. Oh my god. I
loved it. Let's talk about your storyline. I loved it.
It was it was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It was really nice. Here's what I have to say
about this. Because every relationship needs levity, it needs jokes,
it needs you have to laugh with each other.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't think i've ever seen Peyton belly laugh on
this show.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No never, that was the first time.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, and like, you can't have a relationship sustained on
drama and ups and downs and trauma bonding and all
the like, we have to know why they actually like
each other's company. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Saw it weird episode to watch with your son.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
He just like Jeff's Jeff's in the city with George
and so Gus like wandered in this morning while I
was watching the episode and was like, what's this And
I was like, I don't remember, kid. I'm like, once
you're in, you're in. And for him, he's seen this
couple play the way he sees his dad and I play.
(04:11):
Where you know, anything that's high stress in our household
we make a joke out of and that's how we
keep things light and cool. So for him, that looked
really normal. And he didn't like his mom, you know,
walking around on.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
A T shirt, but.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
It was it was cool to see him be like, oh,
this couple is a no brainer. He likes Lucas and
Peyton together and so as a palette cleanser after this episode,
because I was a little wah wah afterwards, especially with
the freeze frame on Jamie at the very end, which
was so dog.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I was like, Gus, do you want to watch the pilot.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Because he's you know, he's a theater kid and he
wants to get back into basketball and he's been talking
about it all week, and I was like, watch the pilot,
see what happens, and for him to watch the big
beginning of Peyton and Lucas this morning and can jump
up out of his seat when Lucas hits the game
winning shot in the pilot and like tells Peyton, I'll
be seeing you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
The child jumped off the couch.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
It was a horrible And then to watch this episode
where like Peyton and Lucas are now together and everything's great.
It was cool to watch the magic of this relationship
unfold for a brand new set of eyes. And to
your point, I like that there was fun in this episode.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Maybe we didn't have the budget to do one of
our big, big, big episodes, so we just brought everybody
into house Arrest. We're all just Sophia opened that door
so many times in the summers.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Who's behind door number two?
Speaker 5 (05:50):
The Brook Davis apartment door got a workout house arrest.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
We've all been. We were all on house arrest for
years with our people.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Okay, but I really want to know because we're talking
about joy. You and I are talking about what we
enjoy about seeing Hillary and Chad like laugh together and
play together and have these jokes. But you are what
don't you like about it?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Why don't you like that?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Is it that it feels like a device and you
and you guys managed to make the device good in
the pages?
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yes, so the whole like shtick of I read an
article and it was clear to me that women had
no say in this script, like Peyton freaking out about
this article and like, oh no, bla, Like I remember
thinking it was dumb when we were doing it, and
(06:45):
I even said to Gus while we were watching it,
I was like, look, this is how actors take something
that they think is dumb and commit to it in
such a way that you were in your paycheck.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And so we did work really hard.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
To make it fun. And what I liked is that
Chad and I made the choice together because remember having
a conversation that we were never going to be mad
at each other, Like there was a little bit like
are you going to get irritated with each other, and.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It was like, no, the oh, he's good. Like each
each volley of the.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
War of the Roses was an opportunity to impress one
another with our creativity, and so that felt fun. But
then like Haley getting into a physical altercation with the
mom at school, and I was waiting the way that
all the women were talking in.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
This episode that it was clear there was not a
female executive anywhere to be seen.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Guys, sweet Kelsey coming back. The joy of seeing Gigi
and then having her be like, I'm just having lots
of sex and I wish I'd had sex with you,
and I also have sex with girls. I was like,
what eight year old boy wrote this? Yeah, like, women
don't talk that way, and if we want to flirt
with someone who were like, man, I've had a you know,
(08:02):
really should have done this differently the last time I
had a shot like, we're not gonna talk like that way.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
More coated and clever. Women are so much more clever
than all this just like blatant.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Wowow, it was great seeing her face on the screen.
I was sure I was happy to see her, but yeah,
I really wish they had given her something a little
more interesting to do.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yeah, everybody like looked good in this episode. Where did
we all come from? Everyone's kind of like tan and
in a good mood.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I have that note too. I was like, I have
a tan, Hillary's got a tan.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You were all glowy.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh yeah, Lee had a tan. You had fresh highlights, Hill,
So if you had a haircut.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, did we have a hiatus?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Maybe we had a hiatus.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It aired at the end of October, which means if
we were six weeks ahead in shooting mid September. I mean,
what a dreamy time in Wilmington. It's still hot enough
to go to the beach, but it's not so humid
that you think you're gonna die when you're outside.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And the tourists are gone.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah. Yeah, maybe this was one of those years where
we were all just like on the beach on the weekends.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think so those were good times.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They were. And it's interesting because that that spirit of
play that like you can kind of see on everybody's
faces and how you're talking about you two really wanted
to make sure you kept it playful instead of bickering,
especially because the device of like, oh, a woman's read
something and now she's upset, is like, yeah, so it
so it's like so victorian and dumb.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah Victorian, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Like, oh, the woman has learned to read and now
she's on the fainting couch, Like, what is this going on? Stupid?
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's what irritated me. I couldn't articulate it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's very pedantic, but I will say you
you guys infused play into it and Joy, you said it.
Watching Peyton Belly laugh is fun watching for me, remembering
the sort of this kind of like frustrated comedy with
good one liner as I got to do in brook
(10:07):
That was always really fun for me. Joy. Even though
it's ridiculous that Haley would like get into a fistfight
with this mom, it's fun to watch you, like fired
up and to have to watch Nathan talk Haley off
a ledge, you know, yeah yeah, and then Nathan's playing
everybody's playing him with Jamie and on the slam ball cord,
and you know, Chad's playing with you. It's like, I
(10:30):
don't know, it is really nice. As silly as some
of the devices are, it's really nice to see everybody
just having a good time together.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, I think it's totally I mean, I don't know, Hill,
I thought it was totally reasonable that they would she
would be goofing around. I think it was it went
too far in the direction of what you're talking about.
But the idea that she would wake up be reading
a magazine article if they had written it a little
bit more with a little lighter of a tone and go,
you know, start mentioning these things and then they get
(11:00):
into it, and then the day just progresses and it's
like I'm drawn a line on the floor and that
you just play with each other. That feels realistic to
me that I could see two people in a relationship
just having fun, goof it off all day long and
just the one upping each other. It's it's a fun
way to just play.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You know what I liked you fine?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Oh good? Oh good. What I will say I liked
about it, even though I hate the Victorian nature of
it all, is that what it does allow sometimes when
you don't know how to have an uncomfortable conversation with someone,
you know. Remember, parents used to say this to us
about watching our show with their kids. This helps me
talk to them about relationships. It helps me talk to
(11:40):
them about sexuality, helps me talk to them about drinking.
I like that we get to see that, you know,
it's not necessarily a big deal, but you are uncomfortable
that you haven't actually moved in, and you do want
to sleep in a grown up room.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And oh, thank god, I was so happy, Peyton, please
not sleep finally.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Wait, did we ever read the synopsis?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Shoot, we did. We so fired up about this. All right,
all right, we're going to give it to you now.
So these were all just teasers.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Those were teasers for you. Somebody read this thing.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Season six, episode seven, Messing with the Kid air date
October twenty of two thousand and eight. Nathan and Haley
Mu's parent Jamie in the face of a school bully,
while Lucas and Peyton adjust to life as a living couple.
Brooke finds being a role model not as easy as
she expected, and Marvin tries to get his old job back.
I love their story.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I did too. Thank god.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Peyton wanted to move into the Karen's bedroom, the master bed.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It was needed, you know.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
The only other episode that Gus had ever seen before
was when Lindsey was living with Lucas, and there was
an episode where she's asleep in bed and he's like
dinking around at the typewriter, like watching her sleep.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And even my child was like, why are they in
his childhood bedroom? That's weird. And so I like that
Peyton is messing with him. Oh, I remember what it was.
So the whole thing about Lucas not being able to
like get it up so funny.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I remember that was like a thing because Chad was
he committed to it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He played it really really well.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
But I remember it feeling like a dig and I remember, like,
you know, when you're like a young stud actor on
TV and your storyline is that you can't perform. He
committed to his job, but it wasn't fun for him.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
That's embarrassing, Like it's an embarrassing thing. But it was
in his mom's bedroom. Like I get it.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I get it, I get it. I one hundred percent
get it. But you know, sometimes when we would get
thrown those storylines where you're like, oh, I know there, yes, Phil,
he was a very good sport about it, which made
me laugh even harder. I mean, I'm like, I legitimately
had a great time doing those scenes because he was
(14:06):
so butt hurt that I was laughing.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, the end of it when he calls like, I'm
gonna call Lindsay and you're like, I mean, if you
think that would.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Help, Yeah, fine, you should call her. I love how
unthreatened Peyton is by Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, that was really that was a good move. That
was a power move.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I liked it. But I think my favorite thing was
Fergie coming in at the end.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes, every time I see those rivercourt boys, they're so funny.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, like Junk checking his phone to see how he
got a text.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, those little moments were so gold. My favorite line
of the whole episode was I don't remember ordering bad Italian.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh my god, what a weird bit. Take come back,
like the owen of it all.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I feel like that's also one of those storylines where
I don't if Joe had started working on True Blood
or what was going on, but he just disappeared, and
then Stephen was back, but then Steven disappeared. Now Joe's back.
I feel like it must have had something to do
with availability, because I can't imagine they would have just
been so sloppy. But maybe they were so sloppy and
(15:18):
the message boards were going so crazy that they were like,
oh man, we really need to explain this, We really
need to do something about this.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I liked it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I thought it was really fun. It was another sort
of bantery one uppy, but in a sincere way. And
I appreciated that he his characters stepped up and apologized,
and I liked it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Joe and I always had really good chemistry, Like, we
always had so much fun working together. We laughed a lot,
and I think there's a when Brook and Owen played tension,
it was it was always just really fun for us
to be like, how are we going to dial this
one up? And yeah, there's something about that volley when
(16:11):
it's a little spicy that then when someone pierces that
with some vulnerability, really chooses to share something, that the
energy changes. It's like the ball stops mid air in
a good way. And I really I enjoyed watching that.
I enjoyed watching him make that turn. I enjoyed I honestly,
(16:33):
I was like, I do I deserve an apology? Brook
deserves an apology? That feels nice?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
She absolutely does after all that, and then he just
bails and sends Chase over instead.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, stupid stupid. Gust didn't like it.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
God, because Brooke lays out such a strong case right
and is like you did this and this and this
and this and this and just reads him the riot
act and is clear and not emotional but just like
super factual about the way things played out and how
cruel and immature it was.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, And his answer.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Is you're right, I'm sorry, and then he offers up
a whole bunch of excuses and Gus was like, I
do not care about his heroin problems and what does
it have to do with anything? Like, Gus was just
so put off, Like who wrote this? They thought that
was a good apology? And so I love seeing things
(17:31):
through the perspective of these young Like when I showed.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Him Breakfast Club, he was like, this is repulsive.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
What did he think would be a sufficient apology? Did
he venture to say?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Yeah? Because I think it went straight into flirting. It
was like, you're right, and I'm sorry. You want to
come see me tonight?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, I won't run away next time.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
It didn't feel sincere to him because there was still
like a flirtation in.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It instead of it like attached.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I mean, I think Gus wanted him to understand the
gravity of it, you know where it's like you if
you stand me up for a date saying, you know what,
you're right, I'm sorry. But if you ghost someone who's
going through like trauma like Rachel has odd in Brooks apartment.
Her mother is trying desperately to destroy her. She just
moved to town, she's on her own, her best friend
(18:23):
just moved out and left her.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
She lost this baby she wanted.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Does Really that's when you say I'm so fucking sorry,
that's like you bring it into like the depths of sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well my little feminist son was not impressed.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Well, and this really that's so cool. And really what
this is is it does feel like one of those
TV moments where they're like, let's wrap it up in
a bow, and it would be so much cooler to
let it sit and then have him ask her out
in six oh seven.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Yeah, they can't afford six eight, six o nine.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Think you're absolutely right. Yeah, that's that's how that's how
real life works. You just want to see a sincere moment,
a sincere apology, somebody just being genuine, and it takes time,
take it takes time.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
The chemistry is great though, like you too, I think
like there's.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
No need to draw it out because the audience just
wants to see you guys back in a friendly space. Yeah,
and so let's not belabor it. This is just it's
just the Morgan's being nitpicky. You kind of no, but.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I appreciate it. It's really funny. Like I've got I
have this friend Tom who's always looking at the women
in his life, and he's like, how did we let
you all set the bar solo? He gets really upset,
And I wrote down taking notes about this, like you
know that Brooke is willing to call him out on
his avoidance, that she does laundry, list all the facts
(19:54):
that you know, the part of me that really prioritizes
mental health gets that he has avoidant attachment because he has,
you know, his own trauma, his addiction stuff, whatever. But
I literally wrote, I was like, ironic that she does
all the work and him getting over the bar is
I'm sorry, could I just try again?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, that's it, Like he has to do almost nothing,
and she's like that might be nice.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Check yes or no, And he wrote, I'm the ale yes,
but oh yeah, that's what we've been conditioned to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We're just middle schoolers deep down.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
He just booked right over the bar.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh yeah, just I'm over here now.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Brooke, however, is some kind of superhero who makes ten
capes and in like an owl? Did we notice that?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I loved this parenting. I loved this so hard I've
lived it. I loved watching this. And while the men
who wrote this episode have never spoken to women before,
they're alien to women, they must have experienced some sort
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of childhood bullying or interaction like this, because this was
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It was my favorite part.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It goes so much deeper than these options right that
we've been taught and that you guys discuss in that
first scene. No, you don't hit a bully, you walk away.
It's like, so you either get hit or you hit someone.
I don't know, man, what's in the middle. And to
see the dad figure out the middle, to figure out
(21:38):
how to come in and shift the narrative, yeah, and
be a hero and let his son be a hero.
It was just so sweet. And the fact that it
managed to make all the kids be nice to each other.
I was like, more of this man.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I agree, that's the kind of thing you want
to see. That's I liked why Nathan put his power
into practice.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I mean, especially because Dan Scott is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
In this episode every line.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I grew up with Dan scott parents, just so you know,
Like I had a bully in elementary school and used
to make me cry all the time. And my parents
were like, well, you know why they're a bully because
their dad's aing alcoholic that cheats on their mom. And
so they were like, so next time they come for you,
you just tell them that. Right.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
This is like elementary school and.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Gosh, and it was cruel and unusual, and you grow
up and you learn empathy and you're like, oh Christ,
like what a nightmare?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Like why would anyone encourage this?
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And so with my son, Gus gets bullied all the time,
and we have very different conversations about like the trickle
down effect of bullying and why it happens and how
to avoid it and how to remove yourself from those situations.
And so I loved that Nathan could have grown up
in this Dan Scott household and been like, we're not
(23:02):
going to repeat this cycle. We're going to get creative
instead and instead of being a threatening parent, I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Be the most fun parent.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I'm going to be the one that shows up and
somehow weasels my way into the classroom in the middle
of the day.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Nathan's a good death. He's been really figuring it out.
I like his I've really been enjoying his storyline the
last couple of seasons. The way he's just he's the
most steady climber, you know, Like I think Brooke makes
huge strides too, but there are more leaps and it's like,
I don't I don't play video games, but whatever, the
one is where you're like jumping from mushroom to mushroom like.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Mario.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
She gets the peaks and valleys. Nathan's really like on
the staircase.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
He's a steady climber. It's a small increments, it's habitual change,
one small step after another. I just love watching him grow.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
He's all grown up.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, but you guys are so hot together, like Haley
going back to I'm gonna punch you in your face
junior year or senior year in high school. Haley. Yeah,
while it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Happen in real life, you guys, moms are much more
passive aggressive at the pickup line or drop off line.
I like seeing Haley, you know, fight, Like, who'd you fight?
Didn't you fight Greenberg's ex?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Get that check?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Was it amazing?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I think it's Daniil.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Did I fight Nikky?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I fought Nikky, But did you also fight Niki? Now
you know there was somebody else? There was some other girls.
She was only in it for an episode. It wasn't Nikki,
but she did have black hair I can't remember. And
then I also like hit I slapped Rachel. I mean,
Hailey's definitely just.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Not or Danil got slapped by everyone.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
She does not have a handle on her physical aggression.
But this one escalated rather quickly because yeah, I mean
I thought Haley was I thought the first thing that
mom said, I think it's better if we let them
work it out themselves. Actually was like, you know, that's
that's reasonable. I probably would do the same thing. I
don't know that I would want to get involved yet.
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But then she just started hitting below the belt and
super nasty.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I was like, this just did not.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Go where I thought it was gonna go. And I
really didn't remember doing this scene, so I just never
tackling this in front of the church. No, totally surprised.
It shocked me, but also like that.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Would happen, and it would like that Jamie would just
go to school like normal. Yeah, like that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
This preschool or kindergarten, whatever the hell it is, needs
new administration because people are just walking into that bow walk.
Kids are getting kidnapped. This joint.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That was something from the last episode I don't think
I ever brought up, which was the fact that Dan
just picks Jamie up after school and they go off.
I'm like, does he this kid not know yet that
he can't just go home with anybody that shows up
at school. It's like, I'm here to take you home today.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh god, Okay, Dan, I just loved him.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Hold on, you should tease him about his alcoholic mother.
Scottmen are inherently better.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yes, and school was never my strong suit either, good thing,
we're both handsome.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Just every wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That's it. These writers they understood Dan.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
My guys, there's gonna be a gold star that goes
toward Dan waiting out front and seeing the mother and saying,
oh sorry, I'd love to join you for your morning drink.
But I'm late for a meeting with my parole officer. Murder,
Murder the Windows. They understood that assignment. They understood the
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dan of it all.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's really nice to see Paul having so much fun.
And it's interesting I'm realizing as we're talking about it
that even though their storyline is so fractured, you can
tell how much fun James is having in all these scenes,
and you can tell how much fun Paul is having
in these scenes. And there's something really sweet about these
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two men. Granted, you know, Nathan in the storyline is
really breaking those familial curses, but they're really having fun
as a dad and a grandfather and it's just nice,
like they've been through so much heavy shit and they're
both having a great time and it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I mean, maybe scott men are inherent inherently better like
the shoe Hits. It sure looks like it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
On that slam ball court, I'm so impressed with James's heat.
Takes an assignment and just goes full on, throws himself
fully into it. He was having so much fun and
I remember him practicing all the time and learning everything,
and the boys were having a ball with that court
on stage or on our lot.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It was sort of like grown up recess. Yeah, you know,
like we don't get recess. And when you're shooting a
TV show for our friends at home, you're at work,
like you know, there's a two hour pre call and
you do like a twelve to fourteen hour shooting day.
So especially for the girls, were there like sixteen plus hours.
The closest you get to recess is like, I have
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to pee now, and you run across the sound stages
and then on back because you don't want camera to
have to wait for you. And suddenly there was this
court and you could like it's like in a movie
where you know, somebody opens a door and then suddenly
they're in the snow somewhere. Not their backyard Narnia.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
It was very.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Narnia and you could just walk through this door.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And we had a playground slam Ball Narnia.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
So it turned out into like, well, it's gonna take
fifteen minutes to relight, and people would just run and
jump on trampolines.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I loved that James should be a hot mister Tumnus,
like with those goat legs, no shirt coat legs.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I don't really would how that ties into this episode,
But it's throwing everything else at the wall.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
So why not You're you're having an image and now
you want to run with.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That Narnia goat legs on the trapoline. Oh my god, Kish,
But yeah, your whole.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Storyline seeing how he gets that little twinkle in his
eye when Haley gets worked up is fun to watch because.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's as much as like all the storyline has been.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Like, Haley, you saved him, You saved him. He he
helped her come out of her shell too.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, he's rescuing her too, just as much.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Well, it's nice to see all the little bits of
spice in this episode feel fun. And when he starts
to kind of poke at you about how you lost
it and then you guys wind up making out in
the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Like super cute.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
He's like he's into spicy Haley and it's fun. I'm
into you two in this.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean, she was like putting out fires, she was
being supportive wife, she was being a bulldog with this lady.
She was trying to build her own dream. Oh Grace Potter,
it was so fabulous. Wow, God, her voice is amazing.
She was so fun to have.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Do you guys, remember how like giddy we all were
when she was coming and we were like, how are
we going to talk to her? How are we going
to make her a friend? Should we invite her out?
Is that desperate? Maybe we shouldn't, Maybe we should wait.
Like the excitement that we were going to get to
hang out with her was so palpable. And then I
don't know, we weren't there for that scene. That series
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of scenes you guys did. I was like, the first
episode we see her, she's like.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Busky, Yeah, Race Potter.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It was so funny to me, but it worked. You guys,
you made this thing that that getting back to playing
music for fun? It really it worked. Do you remember
doing that?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah? How'd you beat the crowd off?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh god, that's another I just meant like, how did
you push? Like, well, boy, it's a Saturday, you guys were.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You needed a very large stick?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
No, But like for all the fans that at this
point were in season six, they would gather, but you
had to make it look like a natural crowd instead
of a swarm.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, because it they the people who are gonna be
on camera had to sign a waiver and all, you know,
you can't just put anybody on camera, but they did
put up signs that were like, if you're walking through here,
you may be recorded. But yeah, we did kind of
draw a crowd.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I mean, I don't know that a lot of people
who were just wandering downtown Wilmington knew who Grace Potter
was unless they had promoted it. But it was kind
of before social media was a thing, so I don't
I don't know if that was happening, but I do
remember working with Grace and going into the studio and
music was a big part of my life at that
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moment in time, and so that was really fun to
work with somebody who was so talented and experienced, and
I really admired her songwriting ability and her There was
something that she does with her voice that's just so
Joss Stone does the same thing. It's just raw. She
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just kind of opens up and the sound is a
guttural sound. It's not like a trained thing, and it's
something that as someone who grew up doing a lot
of theater, I've always wanted to be able to do that,
and it's a scary thing to just it's the same
feeling as screaming but you just know how to shape
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the sound, and it's not a thing that you hear
on stage very often unless you're Adam Pascal, and so
I think it was really it was really fun to
be able to watch her in real time do that
and inspired me. But we had fun on set and
she was super cool and we got to record a
song together. I had like a song on the It
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wasn't on the radio, but it was on whatever wherever
people were buying it was our soundtrack, right, did they?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Is that what?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
It was?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
CD's soundtrack? iTunes? All that iTunes was a thing.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, but she was a class act. She's cool girl.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Did you guys ever listen to the Penguin the radio
station in Wilmington?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, it was like it was like the Ink Jack
FM kind of.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It was really like.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Like Michael Frontie and like they were playing Sharon Jones
and the Dap Kings, like they were playing stuff that
wasn't Top forty. It was kind of more like college
alt rock, you know, alternative radio. And that's where I
heard her for the first time, that Toothbrush My Table
song that she had come out just right before she
came out here, and.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
It was like Holy shit, that girl's coming.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
And Beth Crookham, who worked on our show, knew how
to get her to come out. She made friends with
her manager and was like, Oh, we're going to have
drinks at this bar in town after work if you
guys want to come. I was like, Beck, you're a genius. Yea,
And so we ended up going out with them. What
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was the name of that place? It was over by
Karen's Cafe. It was right around the corner from Karen's Cafe.
It was like a restaurant Martine Manna. Maybe yeah, was
it one upstairs?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
No, not at no, but it was.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
I I remember exactly what you're talking about about being
like thrilled that this person that we were listening to
on the.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Radio, but like, and she was so legit. She had
so much street cred. But I didn't realize that y'all
were sa in the song from Tangled.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Was that Entangled?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
It was also in so much play. She doesn't sing
it as Rapunzel, but I think it is the ending song,
like the end credit songs. Yeah, but it also was
in Confessions of a Shoppaholic, the Isle of Fisher movie
Really and then it was somewhere else too, like her
music manager got that song everywhere. Oh, it's trending on
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TikTok right now. That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Apparently she's alleged just got news. We need to do
a little video for that.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
She was a good little actor too. Why didn't we
keep her around?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I think she left our show to go out on tour.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Can we also talk about Ashley Recards in this in
this episode because she's so talented. That scene in the
diner could have gone so many different ways. She really
nailed it. I feel like she didn't even need any direction.
I mean, I don't know, you know, I liked Greg's
instinct as a director emotionally most of the time, but
she just had it. She had the instinct. I really
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really enjoyed her choices me too.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
It was so fun to work opposite her, and it
really you know, we're in this sort of season of
Brooks development where she's figuring out what she wants as
a person. It doesn't have to be about anyone else,
it doesn't have to be about a partner. And this
independence and this desire to be a parent that she
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finds was so sweet to explore with Angie, but like,
you know how hard it is to act with babies,
like you're just managing a being and trying to keep
them from crying and you know, deal with diapers and whatever.
So to for me, it felt really special to get
more of that, of this exploration of identity with someone
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I could act with and see myself in. And I
think they did such a good job. And Haley points
it out so often in crafting these similarities between brook
and Sam. They come from very different circumstances, but they
have similar reactions to their versions of abandonment.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Brooks used to people giving up on her all the
time too.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, And to do that with someone it's so intimate,
And I love when women get the opportunity to have,
especially on shows like ours, intimacy that isn't about like
but I love him, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You know, Yeah helped me deal with this male problem.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, it just was really I don't know. I remember
watching the episode gave me this sort of feeling of
refreshment and nostalgia, and I remember how cool it felt then.
I remember how much fun I had working with Ashley,
and it's special to really enjoy it now like that
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feeling has lasted across you know, more than a decade.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yeah, she's so raw in her performance. Like a lot
of the time with young actors, child actors, you know,
they learned their lines with their mom or their dad,
and they develop ticks right where it's like, this is
my bag of tricks.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, because the parent is telling them how to perform
the line, the parent who is not an actor.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, there's always a wink in it, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
And it it felt so real her reveal that that's
my mom over there. And I love that they had
the mom looking super happy. Yeah right, she wasn't some
destitute woman. She was a perfectly happy, functional person that
just didn't want her and that.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Hurts so much worse. Yeah, And that was when the
episode ended.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Gus was like, that was the best part of the
episode for him as like a teenage viewer. He loved
that and he really connected with that character and was like,
that girl so good, she's so good.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
She's my honorable mention in this episode.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Mind too.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, she has a way of I agree with you,
there is there does tend to be a wink with
a lot of performance, especially in an episode where there's
a lot of comedy. It's really easy to just kind
of keep everything light and.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Like the Disney Nickelodeons.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yes, I could have done it like a little petulant
and just you know, it's fine. I used to people
giving up on me and tough. And when I watch her,
I'm instantly watching a film, I'm watching a show on HBO.
She is Her performance translates. It doesn't matter what format
she's in. I think a lot of people, as actors,
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come into shows and you try and fit the show
that you're on, like, oh, is it a comedy, is it?
Is it like a really dark and tense drama. Is
it is it a teen soap? Is it a real soap?
Any of those things? But her performance just translates all
of it. It's like you could put her in a huge,
big budget studio movie with that performance, and you can
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put her in a sitcom, and you can put her
in one Tree Hill and it all works no matter where,
which I think is the mark of a really good performer.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
She was cute. I like that kid.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
But my honorable mention goes to the color red, which
was finally introduced to tree Hill in this episode.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Did anyone notice everywhere?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
What was that I don't know, somebody just decided, like,
we're done with purple and now everything will be red.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
It also made me giggle that when Peyton and Lucas
get into Karen's room, it's like red and gold and
satin and candles everywhere. I was like, are y'all on
True Blood? Suddenly? Like you looked like you were in
a vampire's layer.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, sure, it was so far.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
That was the stuff that took me out of the
episode because it just everything just felt a little disjointed.
So it was lots of delicious Morsel, but it was
like mixing Hershey kisses with I don't know, costard delicious
each on their own.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
With that together's not so much.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, I didn't love it.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
However, there was another thing in the department that really
weirded me out. Did anyone notice that at the end
of the episode, where Peyton and Lucas are in the
kitchen and they're finally like pulling off all the tape
and they're kissing that on the refrigerator, there is a
picture that Psycho Derek took to Peyton in her all
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over her bed and the cheery uniform don and it's
used as set dressing in the house.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
What okay, hold on, you just called that out. And
I remember last week there's something we didn't talk about,
and something is going on with set dressing in this
season because the Psychoederic picture is in six oh seven,
and in six oh six that mirror that I hated
the most Brooks like assault with the words. Peyton changes
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the words for her, but the handwriting is the same,
Like the same person did brooks handwriting and Peyton's handwriting.
And I was like, you guys, come on.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Did they not know by now that our fans were
real and present paying attention.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
They're detectives, You guys are detectives.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
And I'm just like, are there so many sets to
manage and six seasons in? Are there so many pictures
of us that people are forgetting that? Like some of
those pictures were taken by people who went to prison
for assaulting the people. The pictures are.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Out like you really should have been in a file.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I got to be a different photo. Why is it
in a photo of Peyton.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
And Lucas And like, no, yeah, I just had a
new department head or some new people came in or something.
Because the callers were different like everything started to shift
and look a little bit different. So maybe, but it
still should have been in a file. That blows my
mind that that photo was on the show. I did
not catch that.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Right over their shoulder as they're kissing.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yes, it's right behind you. It's like a haunting. I
didn't like it old in the corner.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
The last time Bayden was on How's Arrest was which
she was held hostage?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Uh, cru crust. Can we discuss the freeze frame on Jamie?
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Why did they do that?
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Why? Why?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I don't think we've ever done a freeze frame? Have we?
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Also, the kids walk into camera, he's doing a whole
walk toward the lens. Why not just let him walk
into camera and fade to black the freeze frame? That
is like nineteen ninety two, like the TV version of
Missus Doubtfire.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, it should have been like you know, and they
do the.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Little oh like the leading reading rainbow logo.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh, the text goes over his head.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Honestly, if they would have done that, it would have
at least been like a shtick. This was just so weird.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Just making choices, you know, sometimes you just want to
make some choices as an artist, and this was one
we don't do like call.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Ins on our show, but this is a moment where
I'm like, I wish the phone would rang and Greg
Praine would be on the other end and we'd be like,
tell us, who made you do that?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah? Watch they ran out of footage?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
No, yeah, I bet that that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
They ran out of footage like somebody said cut too early,
or somebody walked in front of the frame, or just
something happened and they didn't have enough. They just didn't
have enough camera runway. I think that has to be
it right.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
And our fan base was so consistent, like we had
the two million views every week that they were like, listen,
they're not going anywhere. Make it a freeze. Yeah, you know,
it's not going to piss anyone off. We didn't talk
about mouth and Millie, you guys, they.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Were so sweet and again to see people having fun,
I know, I keep coming back to that word. But
when she wakes up, especially because the episode opens on
Peyton being the episode opens on Peyton dreaming and the
cage and the thing, and you're like, wait, what's going on?
And then she wakes up, Milly waking up not understanding
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quite where she is, like what state she's in, what's happening,
and then realizing he's home. It pierced to my heart
in the sweetest way. I love watching these two together.
I love watching them be romantic and laugh and their
chemistry is so good. Yeah, they're just the best.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I was thinking about her future storyline of becoming a
cocaine addict.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
What the boy stop? Stop?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
And I'm just this sweet face and their sweet relationship
and what a solid person she is. And I'm like
on one planet to someone who is so who was
such a solid character, like a like a moral character.
I mean, you know, or you know, you know, how
does she become? How does she get there? It just
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seemed it pissed me off in advance because it just
seems so unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
You should kid, yeah, real little Yeah, it's gonna get you.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
That fashion industry, it'll get you.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Oh, she has no idea, there's this little vixen at work.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Lee played that well, did I tell you about my girlfriend?
Did I tell you about my girlfriend? My girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (46:45):
My girlfriend's the reason I'm so healthy?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Did I mention.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Love that he came back and they offered him the
job too, before he could even ask for it. Fun Yeah,
it's nice to see Lee have some screen time. He
just brightens my whenever he's on camera.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
I like that he's doing well at work. I like
that he's being appreciated. I want to talk about Haley's
work schedule because I loved, loved the haikup.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I loved that scene were storming in taking the wallet.
That's funny.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
But the hikup came so fast and it was so clever,
and it was delivered so well. I loved the hikup,
and I was like, is she only teaching one period
a day? Because in our timeline she's like at home
in the middle of a day.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yes, she's just too good of a teacher to waste
on one kicks.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Making capes ten capes in an hour.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Hailey doesn't have a job except one.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Class, except she does. It's so confusing.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, Nathan happens to be everywhere all at once. Also somehow,
so it does Dan. We're you know, we're all the time.
What difference is what is time? What is time?
Speaker 5 (47:57):
Do people have you write that haikup out? I feel
like that's like a little tree hill SoundBite that I've
heard over and over again.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
No, I actually completely forgot about it.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I wish I was that sharp.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
I wish I had that kind of sense of humor,
like really quick, you have that hill like really quick.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
There's too many syllables to figure out. No, that's why
I was dazzled by it. I was like, this is incredible.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Oh, Okay, we have a fan question from Grace. She says,
have you ever noticed that Brook and Sam have a
similar moment like Karen and Brooke when Brooke moved into
Lucas's room, do you think Brooke is channeling what she
wishes was done for her when trying to parent Sam.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Absolutely. I think that's sort of what we were talking
about earlier, right, that they come from different sets of circumstances,
but they both struggle with this feeling of not enoughness,
for not being wanted, from being easy to leave by
their parents. Yeah, and having Karen show up for Brook
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in high school really shifted her self worth and I
think that's part of the reason that Brook and Hayley
talks so much about how Brook and Sam are similar.
How you know you'll say to me, I think you
can get through to her, and I like that Brooke
keeps trying that they can have these serious conversations, that
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she can try and fail in a moment like she
does in the cafe when Sam says, that's my mom,
and she has no idea what to say. How could you?
You don't know how to be prepared. This isn't actually yeah,
it's not actually your teenager. You don't know this kid
very well. But she won't give up, and she figures
it out. And so she goes, Okay, if this wild
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child keeps leaving my home in the middle of the
night and goes and sleeps in this car, I don't
understand why, but I'll just meet her there. Yeah, that's
how I'll show up. Yeah, you know. She figures out
how to show up for someone who doesn't know how
to ask for what she needs and who has no
practice with people showing up for them, and offers a
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new way forward. And that's what Karen did for her.
Karen offered her a home so she could stay in
her community with her people, yea, you know, finish high
school her way.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
And offered her boundaries as well, and not in a
way that was containing. It was actually creating more freedom.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, and you say it. Kids need structure, kids need it,
but we need it even as adults. And there's this
way I think that we're starting to see Brooke figure
out how to show up for Sam and help raise Sam.
Also in a way helps Brook raise herself.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Oh, the reparenting is bananas.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
Yeah, bananas, because you realize all the stuff that you
were told as a kid was too hard. Like the
excuse is you heard from grown ups like this is
too hard. Then you do it and you realize, no,
it's not. This is actually like a joy to be
this child's confidant. This is a joy to be this
child's security. And it's reparenting yourself while you try, you know,
(51:19):
to be dependable for these little animals. And I like
seeing modeled behavior. I think that's really important with kids,
and so you see Nathan doing it in this episode.
The drunk mom is the one that's like, let them
sort it out on their own. But the problem is
a kid that's never seen it, doesn't know what it
looks like, so they can't sort it out.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
On their own.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
So both Brooke and Nathan are modeling the behavior that
they wished for, and it's you know, it's effective on
the kids that they're dealing with.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
I love that. That's a great point.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
Yeah, kids can't sort it out on their own. Did
people not watch the first four seasons of our show?
Speaker 3 (52:00):
They're not reliable at all.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
That is one of the hardest parts of parenting, I find,
because I always felt like I was given so much
as so many answers every time I had a problem.
It was like, oh, here's here's exactly what you should do.
And it kind of eventually I started figuring out that
as nice as it was, you know, well intentioned, but
(52:24):
parents aren't in our classrooms with us. They're not engaged
with the students and the people that we are in
the same way at that age, and the advice didn't
always work. Almost hardly ever did it work. And I
had to figure out my own way of doing it.
And there was something about like the autonomy of that
that I do. I try and give Maria that, like,
(52:46):
I'm here, I have ideas if you, if you want
my opinion, I'm happy to give that to you. And
of course there's safety issues and things, you know, some
things there's there's always like a progression of where the
line is for that, but I think it's important for
kids to be able to have the space to experiment
with trying to figure things out and fail. They have
(53:08):
to try it and fail. And if you don't ever
have an opportunity to fail, I don't know how you
develop your character. I don't know how you. I don't
know how you learn because then and then it then
it affects your confidence and your ability to decision make.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Because I love you.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
Sad got this one boundary breakfast at seven and just
found the exact work around.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
She did, I'm following the rule. Brilliant.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
You weren't specific enough.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
So good.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
That's such a teenage thing to do too.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Let's been a while because Sophia's got to go, I do.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
I got to jump.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
We don't have a hell of a day today.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's going to be a great Saturday.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
He didn't chew it.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Oh lord, Oh this is a good one.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
Who is most likely to say I love you to
a one night stand?
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Girls, Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Ah, it's me. It's me.
Speaker 5 (54:09):
I did, And now I have a thirteen year old
and yea shit worked by the way he said it first,
so said a first.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Uh, it's me. I love love. I love love so hard.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
I love you admitting that about yourself, and it makes
me giggle because I realized that the first person who
came to mind when we read the question for me
was Bevin, but not like actual Bevin, like Bevin's character character,
because I could immediately see the scene and someone being
like thank you, No, like just bere comedict gold.
Speaker 5 (54:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
But I love that the real I love that, the
real life version of that led to all of this
for you. That's just it's great, best thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (55:03):
I loved that big oh right away. I also love
being impulsive, and I'm stubborn enough to commit to my impulsiveness.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
Love it. Hey, what do we have next episode? What happens? Next?
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Season six, episode eight? Our life is not a movie?
Or maybe I don't think I know what that means,
but I don't either into it.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
It sounds dramatic, all right, it's.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Not a movie or maybe maybe Okay.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
All right, thanks for joining us, Scott, Thanks everybody, Well, hey,
thanks for listening.
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Speaker 5 (00:24):
You guys, Season six, Episode six, Messing with the Kid.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Some of us think it was awesome. Some of us
think it was a dumpster fire. But we were gonna
find middle ground because there was some cute in this
episode from October twentieth, two thousand and eight, Ready to Go,
Would you guys?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Love and hate?
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I liked this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I was surprised you said you didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I like parts of it, but this is my overall
and the fans. I have seen your feedback. I know
you don't like it when I pick on things. However,
as a professional who watch this episode with her thirteen
year old child, what I will say is that it
felt like each actor only had one day available and
(01:11):
everything was like the same blocking, the same set, like
the same thing over and over again, and the dialogue
was all a reminder of old basic shit that we
already know, Like like there's a conversation in particular between
Haley and Brook where it's like, you're the strongest person
I know because ABCD, You're the strongest person I know
(01:33):
because ABC. And I was just like, what executive note
did we get from Warner Brothers where they were like, hey, guys,
nobody remembers anything from the previous five seasons.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Can you remind them all in one episode?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I mean maybe they were focused more on the on
the comedy, because there were a lot of quips and
a lot of jokes, and I mean a lot of
good one liners and stuff. So I'm wondering if maybe
they were just like, we just need a funny, light episode,
and so they gave it to Haro and Strauss and said,
please just make this funny, and so that's really the
only thing it seemed like they were focused on.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Run.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, I also get the sense like because the humor
and the equips and everything I really enjoyed. I thought
some of the comedy in this episode was great, and
then the things that started to kind of turn into that,
like w want, what are we doing? Why are we
doing exposition together over coffee?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah? You guys are best friends? You? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Like it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I liked the way the scene started and then I went, oh, wait,
are we just going to volley? The same compliment back
and forth, and it it felt to me like one
of those I don't know. The thing that it lit
up in my brain was, is this a bridge episode
to remind like maybe the fans who started in five
or six of some things, because there's some stuff coming,
(02:49):
Like I get that sense that maybe they're trying to
lay pipe for something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Did you just say lay pipe?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Oh my god, I meant late payment. It was. It
was in my head.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I was doing the road. Oh boy, that would have
been a better episode.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
It's really early and I had clearly not had this
coffee yet.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Poor Lucas couldn't lay pipe this. Oh my god. I
loved it. Let's talk about your storyline. I loved it.
It was it was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It was really nice. Here's what I have to say
about this. Because every relationship needs levity, it needs jokes,
it needs you have to laugh with each other.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't think i've ever seen Peyton belly laugh on
this show.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No never, that was the first time.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, and like, you can't have a relationship sustained on
drama and ups and downs and trauma bonding and all
the like, we have to know why they actually like
each other's company. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Saw it weird episode to watch with your son.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
He just like Jeff's Jeff's in the city with George
and so Gus like wandered in this morning while I
was watching the episode and was like, what's this And
I was like, I don't remember, kid. I'm like, once
you're in, you're in. And for him, he's seen this
couple play the way he sees his dad and I play.
(04:11):
Where you know, anything that's high stress in our household
we make a joke out of and that's how we
keep things light and cool. So for him, that looked
really normal. And he didn't like his mom, you know,
walking around on.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
A T shirt, but.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
It was it was cool to see him be like, oh,
this couple is a no brainer. He likes Lucas and
Peyton together and so as a palette cleanser after this episode,
because I was a little wah wah afterwards, especially with
the freeze frame on Jamie at the very end, which
was so dog.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I was like, Gus, do you want to watch the pilot.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Because he's you know, he's a theater kid and he
wants to get back into basketball and he's been talking
about it all week, and I was like, watch the pilot,
see what happens, and for him to watch the big
beginning of Peyton and Lucas this morning and can jump
up out of his seat when Lucas hits the game
winning shot in the pilot and like tells Peyton, I'll
be seeing you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
The child jumped off the couch.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
It was a horrible And then to watch this episode
where like Peyton and Lucas are now together and everything's great.
It was cool to watch the magic of this relationship
unfold for a brand new set of eyes. And to
your point, I like that there was fun in this episode.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Maybe we didn't have the budget to do one of
our big, big, big episodes, so we just brought everybody
into house Arrest. We're all just Sophia opened that door
so many times in the summers.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Who's behind door number two?
Speaker 5 (05:50):
The Brook Davis apartment door got a workout house arrest.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
We've all been. We were all on house arrest for
years with our people.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Okay, but I really want to know because we're talking
about joy. You and I are talking about what we
enjoy about seeing Hillary and Chad like laugh together and
play together and have these jokes. But you are what
don't you like about it?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Why don't you like that?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Is it that it feels like a device and you
and you guys managed to make the device good in
the pages?
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yes, so the whole like shtick of I read an
article and it was clear to me that women had
no say in this script, like Peyton freaking out about
this article and like, oh no, bla, Like I remember
thinking it was dumb when we were doing it, and
(06:45):
I even said to Gus while we were watching it,
I was like, look, this is how actors take something
that they think is dumb and commit to it in
such a way that you were in your paycheck.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
And so we did work really hard.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
To make it fun. And what I liked is that
Chad and I made the choice together because remember having
a conversation that we were never going to be mad
at each other, Like there was a little bit like
are you going to get irritated with each other, and.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It was like, no, the oh, he's good. Like each
each volley of the.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
War of the Roses was an opportunity to impress one
another with our creativity, and so that felt fun. But
then like Haley getting into a physical altercation with the
mom at school, and I was waiting the way that
all the women were talking in.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
This episode that it was clear there was not a
female executive anywhere to be seen.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Guys, sweet Kelsey coming back. The joy of seeing Gigi
and then having her be like, I'm just having lots
of sex and I wish I'd had sex with you,
and I also have sex with girls. I was like,
what eight year old boy wrote this? Yeah, like, women
don't talk that way, and if we want to flirt
with someone who were like, man, I've had a you know,
(08:02):
really should have done this differently the last time I
had a shot like, we're not gonna talk like that way.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
More coated and clever. Women are so much more clever
than all this just like blatant.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Wowow, it was great seeing her face on the screen.
I was sure I was happy to see her, but yeah,
I really wish they had given her something a little
more interesting to do.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Yeah, everybody like looked good in this episode. Where did
we all come from? Everyone's kind of like tan and
in a good mood.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I have that note too. I was like, I have
a tan, Hillary's got a tan.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You were all glowy.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh yeah, Lee had a tan. You had fresh highlights, Hill,
So if you had a haircut.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, did we have a hiatus?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Maybe we had a hiatus.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It aired at the end of October, which means if
we were six weeks ahead in shooting mid September. I mean,
what a dreamy time in Wilmington. It's still hot enough
to go to the beach, but it's not so humid
that you think you're gonna die when you're outside.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And the tourists are gone.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah. Yeah, maybe this was one of those years where
we were all just like on the beach on the weekends.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think so those were good times.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
They were. And it's interesting because that that spirit of
play that like you can kind of see on everybody's
faces and how you're talking about you two really wanted
to make sure you kept it playful instead of bickering,
especially because the device of like, oh, a woman's read
something and now she's upset, is like, yeah, so it
so it's like so victorian and dumb.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah Victorian, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Like, oh, the woman has learned to read and now
she's on the fainting couch, Like, what is this going on? Stupid?
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's what irritated me. I couldn't articulate it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's very pedantic, but I will say you
you guys infused play into it and Joy, you said it.
Watching Peyton Belly laugh is fun watching for me, remembering
the sort of this kind of like frustrated comedy with
good one liner as I got to do in brook
(10:07):
That was always really fun for me. Joy. Even though
it's ridiculous that Haley would like get into a fistfight
with this mom, it's fun to watch you, like fired
up and to have to watch Nathan talk Haley off
a ledge, you know, yeah yeah, and then Nathan's playing
everybody's playing him with Jamie and on the slam ball cord,
and you know, Chad's playing with you. It's like, I
(10:30):
don't know, it is really nice. As silly as some
of the devices are, it's really nice to see everybody
just having a good time together.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, I think it's totally I mean, I don't know, Hill,
I thought it was totally reasonable that they would she
would be goofing around. I think it was it went
too far in the direction of what you're talking about.
But the idea that she would wake up be reading
a magazine article if they had written it a little
bit more with a little lighter of a tone and go,
you know, start mentioning these things and then they get
(11:00):
into it, and then the day just progresses and it's
like I'm drawn a line on the floor and that
you just play with each other. That feels realistic to
me that I could see two people in a relationship
just having fun, goof it off all day long and
just the one upping each other. It's it's a fun
way to just play.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You know what I liked you fine?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Oh good? Oh good. What I will say I liked
about it, even though I hate the Victorian nature of
it all, is that what it does allow sometimes when
you don't know how to have an uncomfortable conversation with someone,
you know. Remember, parents used to say this to us
about watching our show with their kids. This helps me
talk to them about relationships. It helps me talk to
(11:40):
them about sexuality, helps me talk to them about drinking.
I like that we get to see that, you know,
it's not necessarily a big deal, but you are uncomfortable
that you haven't actually moved in, and you do want
to sleep in a grown up room.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And oh, thank god, I was so happy, Peyton, please
not sleep finally.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Wait, did we ever read the synopsis?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Shoot, we did. We so fired up about this. All right,
all right, we're going to give it to you now.
So these were all just teasers.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Those were teasers for you. Somebody read this thing.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Season six, episode seven, Messing with the Kid air date
October twenty of two thousand and eight. Nathan and Haley
Mu's parent Jamie in the face of a school bully,
while Lucas and Peyton adjust to life as a living couple.
Brooke finds being a role model not as easy as
she expected, and Marvin tries to get his old job back.
I love their story.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I did too. Thank god.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Peyton wanted to move into the Karen's bedroom, the master bed.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It was needed, you know.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
The only other episode that Gus had ever seen before
was when Lindsey was living with Lucas, and there was
an episode where she's asleep in bed and he's like
dinking around at the typewriter, like watching her sleep.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And even my child was like, why are they in
his childhood bedroom? That's weird. And so I like that
Peyton is messing with him. Oh, I remember what it was.
So the whole thing about Lucas not being able to
like get it up so funny.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I remember that was like a thing because Chad was
he committed to it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He played it really really well.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
But I remember it feeling like a dig and I remember, like,
you know, when you're like a young stud actor on
TV and your storyline is that you can't perform. He
committed to his job, but it wasn't fun for him.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
That's embarrassing, Like it's an embarrassing thing. But it was
in his mom's bedroom. Like I get it.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I get it, I get it. I one hundred percent
get it. But you know, sometimes when we would get
thrown those storylines where you're like, oh, I know there, yes, Phil,
he was a very good sport about it, which made
me laugh even harder. I mean, I'm like, I legitimately
had a great time doing those scenes because he was
(14:06):
so butt hurt that I was laughing.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, the end of it when he calls like, I'm
gonna call Lindsay and you're like, I mean, if you
think that would.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Help, Yeah, fine, you should call her. I love how
unthreatened Peyton is by Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, that was really that was a good move. That
was a power move.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I liked it. But I think my favorite thing was
Fergie coming in at the end.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes, every time I see those rivercourt boys, they're so funny.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, like Junk checking his phone to see how he
got a text.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, those little moments were so gold. My favorite line
of the whole episode was I don't remember ordering bad Italian.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh my god, what a weird bit. Take come back,
like the owen of it all.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I feel like that's also one of those storylines where
I don't if Joe had started working on True Blood
or what was going on, but he just disappeared, and
then Stephen was back, but then Steven disappeared. Now Joe's back.
I feel like it must have had something to do
with availability, because I can't imagine they would have just
been so sloppy. But maybe they were so sloppy and
(15:18):
the message boards were going so crazy that they were like,
oh man, we really need to explain this, We really
need to do something about this.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I liked it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I thought it was really fun. It was another sort
of bantery one uppy, but in a sincere way. And
I appreciated that he his characters stepped up and apologized,
and I liked it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Joe and I always had really good chemistry, Like, we
always had so much fun working together. We laughed a lot,
and I think there's a when Brook and Owen played tension,
it was it was always just really fun for us
to be like, how are we going to dial this
one up? And yeah, there's something about that volley when
(16:11):
it's a little spicy that then when someone pierces that
with some vulnerability, really chooses to share something, that the
energy changes. It's like the ball stops mid air in
a good way. And I really I enjoyed watching that.
I enjoyed watching him make that turn. I enjoyed I honestly,
(16:33):
I was like, I do I deserve an apology? Brook
deserves an apology? That feels nice?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
She absolutely does after all that, and then he just
bails and sends Chase over instead.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, stupid stupid. Gust didn't like it.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
God, because Brooke lays out such a strong case right
and is like you did this and this and this
and this and this and just reads him the riot
act and is clear and not emotional but just like
super factual about the way things played out and how
cruel and immature it was.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, And his answer.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Is you're right, I'm sorry, and then he offers up
a whole bunch of excuses and Gus was like, I
do not care about his heroin problems and what does
it have to do with anything? Like, Gus was just
so put off, Like who wrote this? They thought that
was a good apology? And so I love seeing things
(17:31):
through the perspective of these young Like when I showed.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Him Breakfast Club, he was like, this is repulsive.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
What did he think would be a sufficient apology? Did
he venture to say?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Yeah? Because I think it went straight into flirting. It
was like, you're right, and I'm sorry. You want to
come see me tonight?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, I won't run away next time.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
It didn't feel sincere to him because there was still
like a flirtation in.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It instead of it like attached.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I mean, I think Gus wanted him to understand the
gravity of it, you know where it's like you if
you stand me up for a date saying, you know what,
you're right, I'm sorry. But if you ghost someone who's
going through like trauma like Rachel has odd in Brooks apartment.
Her mother is trying desperately to destroy her. She just
moved to town, she's on her own, her best friend
(18:23):
just moved out and left her.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
She lost this baby she wanted.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Does Really that's when you say I'm so fucking sorry,
that's like you bring it into like the depths of sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well my little feminist son was not impressed.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Well, and this really that's so cool. And really what
this is is it does feel like one of those
TV moments where they're like, let's wrap it up in
a bow, and it would be so much cooler to
let it sit and then have him ask her out
in six oh seven.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Yeah, they can't afford six eight, six o nine.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Think you're absolutely right. Yeah, that's that's how that's how
real life works. You just want to see a sincere moment,
a sincere apology, somebody just being genuine, and it takes time,
take it takes time.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
The chemistry is great though, like you too, I think
like there's.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
No need to draw it out because the audience just
wants to see you guys back in a friendly space. Yeah,
and so let's not belabor it. This is just it's
just the Morgan's being nitpicky. You kind of no, but.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I appreciate it. It's really funny. Like I've got I
have this friend Tom who's always looking at the women
in his life, and he's like, how did we let
you all set the bar solo? He gets really upset,
And I wrote down taking notes about this, like you
know that Brooke is willing to call him out on
his avoidance, that she does laundry, list all the facts
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that you know, the part of me that really prioritizes
mental health gets that he has avoidant attachment because he has,
you know, his own trauma, his addiction stuff, whatever. But
I literally wrote, I was like, ironic that she does
all the work and him getting over the bar is
I'm sorry, could I just try again?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, that's it, Like he has to do almost nothing,
and she's like that might be nice.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Check yes or no, And he wrote, I'm the ale yes,
but oh yeah, that's what we've been conditioned to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We're just middle schoolers deep down.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
He just booked right over the bar.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh yeah, just I'm over here now.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Brooke, however, is some kind of superhero who makes ten
capes and in like an owl? Did we notice that?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I loved this parenting. I loved this so hard I've
lived it. I loved watching this. And while the men
who wrote this episode have never spoken to women before,
they're alien to women, they must have experienced some sort
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of childhood bullying or interaction like this, because this was
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It was my favorite part.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It goes so much deeper than these options right that
we've been taught and that you guys discuss in that
first scene. No, you don't hit a bully, you walk away.
It's like, so you either get hit or you hit someone.
I don't know, man, what's in the middle. And to
see the dad figure out the middle, to figure out
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how to come in and shift the narrative, yeah, and
be a hero and let his son be a hero.
It was just so sweet. And the fact that it
managed to make all the kids be nice to each other.
I was like, more of this man.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I agree, that's the kind of thing you want
to see. That's I liked why Nathan put his power
into practice.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I mean, especially because Dan Scott is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
In this episode every line.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I grew up with Dan scott parents, just so you know,
Like I had a bully in elementary school and used
to make me cry all the time. And my parents
were like, well, you know why they're a bully because
their dad's aing alcoholic that cheats on their mom. And
so they were like, so next time they come for you,
you just tell them that. Right.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
This is like elementary school and.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Gosh, and it was cruel and unusual, and you grow
up and you learn empathy and you're like, oh Christ,
like what a nightmare?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Like why would anyone encourage this?
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And so with my son, Gus gets bullied all the time,
and we have very different conversations about like the trickle
down effect of bullying and why it happens and how
to avoid it and how to remove yourself from those situations.
And so I loved that Nathan could have grown up
in this Dan Scott household and been like, we're not
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going to repeat this cycle. We're going to get creative
instead and instead of being a threatening parent, I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Be the most fun parent.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I'm going to be the one that shows up and
somehow weasels my way into the classroom in the middle
of the day.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Nathan's a good death. He's been really figuring it out.
I like his I've really been enjoying his storyline the
last couple of seasons. The way he's just he's the
most steady climber, you know, Like I think Brooke makes
huge strides too, but there are more leaps and it's like,
I don't I don't play video games, but whatever, the
one is where you're like jumping from mushroom to mushroom like.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Mario.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
She gets the peaks and valleys. Nathan's really like on
the staircase.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
He's a steady climber. It's a small increments, it's habitual change,
one small step after another. I just love watching him grow.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
He's all grown up.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, but you guys are so hot together, like Haley
going back to I'm gonna punch you in your face
junior year or senior year in high school. Haley. Yeah,
while it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Happen in real life, you guys, moms are much more
passive aggressive at the pickup line or drop off line.
I like seeing Haley, you know, fight, Like, who'd you fight?
Didn't you fight Greenberg's ex?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Get that check?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Was it amazing?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I think it's Daniil.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Did I fight Nikky?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I fought Nikky, But did you also fight Niki? Now
you know there was somebody else? There was some other girls.
She was only in it for an episode. It wasn't Nikki,
but she did have black hair I can't remember. And
then I also like hit I slapped Rachel. I mean,
Hailey's definitely just.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Not or Danil got slapped by everyone.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
She does not have a handle on her physical aggression.
But this one escalated rather quickly because yeah, I mean
I thought Haley was I thought the first thing that
mom said, I think it's better if we let them
work it out themselves. Actually was like, you know, that's
that's reasonable. I probably would do the same thing. I
don't know that I would want to get involved yet.
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But then she just started hitting below the belt and
super nasty.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I was like, this just did not.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Go where I thought it was gonna go. And I
really didn't remember doing this scene, so I just never
tackling this in front of the church. No, totally surprised.
It shocked me, but also like that.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Would happen, and it would like that Jamie would just
go to school like normal. Yeah, like that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
This preschool or kindergarten, whatever the hell it is, needs
new administration because people are just walking into that bow walk.
Kids are getting kidnapped. This joint.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That was something from the last episode I don't think
I ever brought up, which was the fact that Dan
just picks Jamie up after school and they go off.
I'm like, does he this kid not know yet that
he can't just go home with anybody that shows up
at school. It's like, I'm here to take you home today.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh god, Okay, Dan, I just loved him.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Hold on, you should tease him about his alcoholic mother.
Scottmen are inherently better.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yes, and school was never my strong suit either, good thing,
we're both handsome.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Just every wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That's it. These writers they understood Dan.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
My guys, there's gonna be a gold star that goes
toward Dan waiting out front and seeing the mother and saying,
oh sorry, I'd love to join you for your morning drink.
But I'm late for a meeting with my parole officer. Murder,
Murder the Windows. They understood that assignment. They understood the
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dan of it all.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's really nice to see Paul having so much fun.
And it's interesting I'm realizing as we're talking about it
that even though their storyline is so fractured, you can
tell how much fun James is having in all these scenes,
and you can tell how much fun Paul is having
in these scenes. And there's something really sweet about these
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two men. Granted, you know, Nathan in the storyline is
really breaking those familial curses, but they're really having fun
as a dad and a grandfather and it's just nice,
like they've been through so much heavy shit and they're
both having a great time and it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I mean, maybe scott men are inherent inherently better like
the shoe Hits. It sure looks like it.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
On that slam ball court, I'm so impressed with James's heat.
Takes an assignment and just goes full on, throws himself
fully into it. He was having so much fun and
I remember him practicing all the time and learning everything,
and the boys were having a ball with that court
on stage or on our lot.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It was sort of like grown up recess. Yeah, you know,
like we don't get recess. And when you're shooting a
TV show for our friends at home, you're at work,
like you know, there's a two hour pre call and
you do like a twelve to fourteen hour shooting day.
So especially for the girls, were there like sixteen plus hours.
The closest you get to recess is like, I have
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to pee now, and you run across the sound stages
and then on back because you don't want camera to
have to wait for you. And suddenly there was this
court and you could like it's like in a movie
where you know, somebody opens a door and then suddenly
they're in the snow somewhere. Not their backyard Narnia.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
It was very.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Narnia and you could just walk through this door.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And we had a playground slam Ball Narnia.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
So it turned out into like, well, it's gonna take
fifteen minutes to relight, and people would just run and
jump on trampolines.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I loved that James should be a hot mister Tumnus,
like with those goat legs, no shirt coat legs.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I don't really would how that ties into this episode,
But it's throwing everything else at the wall.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
So why not You're you're having an image and now
you want to run with.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That Narnia goat legs on the trapoline. Oh my god, Kish,
But yeah, your whole.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Storyline seeing how he gets that little twinkle in his
eye when Haley gets worked up is fun to watch because.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's as much as like all the storyline has been.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Like, Haley, you saved him, You saved him. He he
helped her come out of her shell too.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, he's rescuing her too, just as much.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Well, it's nice to see all the little bits of
spice in this episode feel fun. And when he starts
to kind of poke at you about how you lost
it and then you guys wind up making out in
the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Like super cute.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
He's like he's into spicy Haley and it's fun. I'm
into you two in this.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean, she was like putting out fires, she was
being supportive wife, she was being a bulldog with this lady.
She was trying to build her own dream. Oh Grace Potter,
it was so fabulous. Wow, God, her voice is amazing.
She was so fun to have.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Do you guys, remember how like giddy we all were
when she was coming and we were like, how are
we going to talk to her? How are we going
to make her a friend? Should we invite her out?
Is that desperate? Maybe we shouldn't, Maybe we should wait.
Like the excitement that we were going to get to
hang out with her was so palpable. And then I
don't know, we weren't there for that scene. That series
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of scenes you guys did. I was like, the first
episode we see her, she's like.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Busky, Yeah, Race Potter.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It was so funny to me, but it worked. You guys,
you made this thing that that getting back to playing
music for fun? It really it worked. Do you remember
doing that?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah? How'd you beat the crowd off?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh god, that's another I just meant like, how did
you push? Like, well, boy, it's a Saturday, you guys were.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You needed a very large stick?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
No, But like for all the fans that at this
point were in season six, they would gather, but you
had to make it look like a natural crowd instead
of a swarm.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, because it they the people who are gonna be
on camera had to sign a waiver and all, you know,
you can't just put anybody on camera, but they did
put up signs that were like, if you're walking through here,
you may be recorded. But yeah, we did kind of
draw a crowd.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I mean, I don't know that a lot of people
who were just wandering downtown Wilmington knew who Grace Potter
was unless they had promoted it. But it was kind
of before social media was a thing, so I don't
I don't know if that was happening, but I do
remember working with Grace and going into the studio and
music was a big part of my life at that
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moment in time, and so that was really fun to
work with somebody who was so talented and experienced, and
I really admired her songwriting ability and her There was
something that she does with her voice that's just so
Joss Stone does the same thing. It's just raw. She
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just kind of opens up and the sound is a
guttural sound. It's not like a trained thing, and it's
something that as someone who grew up doing a lot
of theater, I've always wanted to be able to do that,
and it's a scary thing to just it's the same
feeling as screaming but you just know how to shape
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the sound, and it's not a thing that you hear
on stage very often unless you're Adam Pascal, and so
I think it was really it was really fun to
be able to watch her in real time do that
and inspired me. But we had fun on set and
she was super cool and we got to record a
song together. I had like a song on the It
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wasn't on the radio, but it was on whatever wherever
people were buying it was our soundtrack, right, did they?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Is that what?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
It was?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
CD's soundtrack? iTunes? All that iTunes was a thing.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, but she was a class act. She's cool girl.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Did you guys ever listen to the Penguin the radio
station in Wilmington?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, it was like it was like the Ink Jack
FM kind of.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It was really like.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Like Michael Frontie and like they were playing Sharon Jones
and the Dap Kings, like they were playing stuff that
wasn't Top forty. It was kind of more like college
alt rock, you know, alternative radio. And that's where I
heard her for the first time, that Toothbrush My Table
song that she had come out just right before she
came out here, and.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
It was like Holy shit, that girl's coming.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
And Beth Crookham, who worked on our show, knew how
to get her to come out. She made friends with
her manager and was like, Oh, we're going to have
drinks at this bar in town after work if you
guys want to come. I was like, Beck, you're a genius. Yea,
And so we ended up going out with them. What
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was the name of that place? It was over by
Karen's Cafe. It was right around the corner from Karen's Cafe.
It was like a restaurant Martine Manna. Maybe yeah, was
it one upstairs?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
No, not at no, but it was.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
I I remember exactly what you're talking about about being
like thrilled that this person that we were listening to
on the.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Radio, but like, and she was so legit. She had
so much street cred. But I didn't realize that y'all
were sa in the song from Tangled.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Was that Entangled?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
It was also in so much play. She doesn't sing
it as Rapunzel, but I think it is the ending song,
like the end credit songs. Yeah, but it also was
in Confessions of a Shoppaholic, the Isle of Fisher movie
Really and then it was somewhere else too, like her
music manager got that song everywhere. Oh, it's trending on
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TikTok right now. That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Apparently she's alleged just got news. We need to do
a little video for that.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
She was a good little actor too. Why didn't we
keep her around?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I think she left our show to go out on tour.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Can we also talk about Ashley Recards in this in
this episode because she's so talented. That scene in the
diner could have gone so many different ways. She really
nailed it. I feel like she didn't even need any direction.
I mean, I don't know, you know, I liked Greg's
instinct as a director emotionally most of the time, but
she just had it. She had the instinct. I really
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really enjoyed her choices me too.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
It was so fun to work opposite her, and it
really you know, we're in this sort of season of
Brooks development where she's figuring out what she wants as
a person. It doesn't have to be about anyone else,
it doesn't have to be about a partner. And this
independence and this desire to be a parent that she
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finds was so sweet to explore with Angie, but like,
you know how hard it is to act with babies,
like you're just managing a being and trying to keep
them from crying and you know, deal with diapers and whatever.
So to for me, it felt really special to get
more of that, of this exploration of identity with someone
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I could act with and see myself in. And I
think they did such a good job. And Haley points
it out so often in crafting these similarities between brook
and Sam. They come from very different circumstances, but they
have similar reactions to their versions of abandonment.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Brooks used to people giving up on her all the
time too.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, And to do that with someone it's so intimate,
And I love when women get the opportunity to have,
especially on shows like ours, intimacy that isn't about like
but I love him, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
You know, Yeah helped me deal with this male problem.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, it just was really I don't know. I remember
watching the episode gave me this sort of feeling of
refreshment and nostalgia, and I remember how cool it felt then.
I remember how much fun I had working with Ashley,
and it's special to really enjoy it now like that
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feeling has lasted across you know, more than a decade.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yeah, she's so raw in her performance. Like a lot
of the time with young actors, child actors, you know,
they learned their lines with their mom or their dad,
and they develop ticks right where it's like, this is
my bag of tricks.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, because the parent is telling them how to perform
the line, the parent who is not an actor.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, there's always a wink in it, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
And it it felt so real her reveal that that's
my mom over there. And I love that they had
the mom looking super happy. Yeah right, she wasn't some
destitute woman. She was a perfectly happy, functional person that
just didn't want her and that.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Hurts so much worse. Yeah, And that was when the
episode ended.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Gus was like, that was the best part of the
episode for him as like a teenage viewer. He loved
that and he really connected with that character and was like,
that girl so good, she's so good.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
She's my honorable mention in this episode.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Mind too.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, she has a way of I agree with you,
there is there does tend to be a wink with
a lot of performance, especially in an episode where there's
a lot of comedy. It's really easy to just kind
of keep everything light and.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Like the Disney Nickelodeons.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yes, I could have done it like a little petulant
and just you know, it's fine. I used to people
giving up on me and tough. And when I watch her,
I'm instantly watching a film, I'm watching a show on HBO.
She is Her performance translates. It doesn't matter what format
she's in. I think a lot of people, as actors,
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come into shows and you try and fit the show
that you're on, like, oh, is it a comedy, is it?
Is it like a really dark and tense drama. Is
it is it a teen soap? Is it a real soap?
Any of those things? But her performance just translates all
of it. It's like you could put her in a huge,
big budget studio movie with that performance, and you can
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put her in a sitcom, and you can put her
in one Tree Hill and it all works no matter where,
which I think is the mark of a really good performer.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
She was cute. I like that kid.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
But my honorable mention goes to the color red, which
was finally introduced to tree Hill in this episode.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Did anyone notice everywhere?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
What was that I don't know, somebody just decided, like,
we're done with purple and now everything will be red.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
It also made me giggle that when Peyton and Lucas
get into Karen's room, it's like red and gold and
satin and candles everywhere. I was like, are y'all on
True Blood? Suddenly? Like you looked like you were in
a vampire's layer.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, sure, it was so far.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
That was the stuff that took me out of the
episode because it just everything just felt a little disjointed.
So it was lots of delicious Morsel, but it was
like mixing Hershey kisses with I don't know, costard delicious
each on their own.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
With that together's not so much.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, I didn't love it.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
However, there was another thing in the department that really
weirded me out. Did anyone notice that at the end
of the episode, where Peyton and Lucas are in the
kitchen and they're finally like pulling off all the tape
and they're kissing that on the refrigerator, there is a
picture that Psycho Derek took to Peyton in her all
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over her bed and the cheery uniform don and it's
used as set dressing in the house.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
What okay, hold on, you just called that out. And
I remember last week there's something we didn't talk about,
and something is going on with set dressing in this
season because the Psychoederic picture is in six oh seven,
and in six oh six that mirror that I hated
the most Brooks like assault with the words. Peyton changes
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the words for her, but the handwriting is the same,
Like the same person did brooks handwriting and Peyton's handwriting.
And I was like, you guys, come on.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Did they not know by now that our fans were
real and present paying attention.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
They're detectives, You guys are detectives.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
And I'm just like, are there so many sets to
manage and six seasons in? Are there so many pictures
of us that people are forgetting that? Like some of
those pictures were taken by people who went to prison
for assaulting the people. The pictures are.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Out like you really should have been in a file.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I got to be a different photo. Why is it
in a photo of Peyton.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
And Lucas And like, no, yeah, I just had a
new department head or some new people came in or something.
Because the callers were different like everything started to shift
and look a little bit different. So maybe, but it
still should have been in a file. That blows my
mind that that photo was on the show. I did
not catch that.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Right over their shoulder as they're kissing.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yes, it's right behind you. It's like a haunting. I
didn't like it old in the corner.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
The last time Bayden was on How's Arrest was which
she was held hostage?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Uh, cru crust. Can we discuss the freeze frame on Jamie?
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Why did they do that?
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Why? Why?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I don't think we've ever done a freeze frame? Have we?
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Also, the kids walk into camera, he's doing a whole
walk toward the lens. Why not just let him walk
into camera and fade to black the freeze frame? That
is like nineteen ninety two, like the TV version of
Missus Doubtfire.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, it should have been like you know, and they
do the.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Little oh like the leading reading rainbow logo.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, yeah, oh, the text goes over his head.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Honestly, if they would have done that, it would have
at least been like a shtick. This was just so weird.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Just making choices, you know, sometimes you just want to
make some choices as an artist, and this was one
we don't do like call.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Ins on our show, but this is a moment where
I'm like, I wish the phone would rang and Greg
Praine would be on the other end and we'd be like,
tell us, who made you do that?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah? Watch they ran out of footage?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
No, yeah, I bet that that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
They ran out of footage like somebody said cut too early,
or somebody walked in front of the frame, or just
something happened and they didn't have enough. They just didn't
have enough camera runway. I think that has to be
it right.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
And our fan base was so consistent, like we had
the two million views every week that they were like, listen,
they're not going anywhere. Make it a freeze. Yeah, you know,
it's not going to piss anyone off. We didn't talk
about mouth and Millie, you guys, they.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Were so sweet and again to see people having fun,
I know, I keep coming back to that word. But
when she wakes up, especially because the episode opens on
Peyton being the episode opens on Peyton dreaming and the
cage and the thing, and you're like, wait, what's going on?
And then she wakes up, Milly waking up not understanding
(45:28):
quite where she is, like what state she's in, what's happening,
and then realizing he's home. It pierced to my heart
in the sweetest way. I love watching these two together.
I love watching them be romantic and laugh and their
chemistry is so good. Yeah, they're just the best.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I was thinking about her future storyline of becoming a
cocaine addict.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
What the boy stop? Stop?
Speaker 2 (45:59):
And I'm just this sweet face and their sweet relationship
and what a solid person she is. And I'm like
on one planet to someone who is so who was
such a solid character, like a like a moral character.
I mean, you know, or you know, you know, how
does she become? How does she get there? It just
(46:21):
seemed it pissed me off in advance because it just
seems so unreasonable.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
You should kid, yeah, real little Yeah, it's gonna get you.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
That fashion industry, it'll get you.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Oh, she has no idea, there's this little vixen at work.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Lee played that well, did I tell you about my girlfriend?
Did I tell you about my girlfriend? My girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (46:45):
My girlfriend's the reason I'm so healthy?
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Did I mention.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Love that he came back and they offered him the
job too, before he could even ask for it. Fun Yeah,
it's nice to see Lee have some screen time. He
just brightens my whenever he's on camera.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
I like that he's doing well at work. I like
that he's being appreciated. I want to talk about Haley's
work schedule because I loved, loved the haikup.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I loved that scene were storming in taking the wallet.
That's funny.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
But the hikup came so fast and it was so clever,
and it was delivered so well. I loved the hikup,
and I was like, is she only teaching one period
a day? Because in our timeline she's like at home
in the middle of a day.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yes, she's just too good of a teacher to waste
on one kicks.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Making capes ten capes in an hour.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Hailey doesn't have a job except one.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Class, except she does. It's so confusing.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, Nathan happens to be everywhere all at once. Also somehow,
so it does Dan. We're you know, we're all the time.
What difference is what is time? What is time?
Speaker 5 (47:57):
Do people have you write that haikup out? I feel
like that's like a little tree hill SoundBite that I've
heard over and over again.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
No, I actually completely forgot about it.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I wish I was that sharp.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
I wish I had that kind of sense of humor,
like really quick, you have that hill like really quick.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
There's too many syllables to figure out. No, that's why
I was dazzled by it. I was like, this is incredible.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Oh, Okay, we have a fan question from Grace. She says,
have you ever noticed that Brook and Sam have a
similar moment like Karen and Brooke when Brooke moved into
Lucas's room, do you think Brooke is channeling what she
wishes was done for her when trying to parent Sam.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Absolutely. I think that's sort of what we were talking
about earlier, right, that they come from different sets of circumstances,
but they both struggle with this feeling of not enoughness,
for not being wanted, from being easy to leave by
their parents. Yeah, and having Karen show up for Brook
(49:01):
in high school really shifted her self worth and I
think that's part of the reason that Brook and Hayley
talks so much about how Brook and Sam are similar.
How you know you'll say to me, I think you
can get through to her, and I like that Brooke
keeps trying that they can have these serious conversations, that
(49:25):
she can try and fail in a moment like she
does in the cafe when Sam says, that's my mom,
and she has no idea what to say. How could you?
You don't know how to be prepared. This isn't actually yeah,
it's not actually your teenager. You don't know this kid
very well. But she won't give up, and she figures
it out. And so she goes, Okay, if this wild
(49:47):
child keeps leaving my home in the middle of the
night and goes and sleeps in this car, I don't
understand why, but I'll just meet her there. Yeah, that's
how I'll show up. Yeah, you know. She figures out
how to show up for someone who doesn't know how
to ask for what she needs and who has no
practice with people showing up for them, and offers a
(50:07):
new way forward. And that's what Karen did for her.
Karen offered her a home so she could stay in
her community with her people, yea, you know, finish high
school her way.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
And offered her boundaries as well, and not in a
way that was containing. It was actually creating more freedom.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, and you say it. Kids need structure, kids need it,
but we need it even as adults. And there's this
way I think that we're starting to see Brooke figure
out how to show up for Sam and help raise Sam.
Also in a way helps Brook raise herself.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Oh, the reparenting is bananas.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
Yeah, bananas, because you realize all the stuff that you
were told as a kid was too hard. Like the
excuse is you heard from grown ups like this is
too hard. Then you do it and you realize, no,
it's not. This is actually like a joy to be
this child's confidant. This is a joy to be this
child's security. And it's reparenting yourself while you try, you know,
(51:19):
to be dependable for these little animals. And I like
seeing modeled behavior. I think that's really important with kids,
and so you see Nathan doing it in this episode.
The drunk mom is the one that's like, let them
sort it out on their own. But the problem is
a kid that's never seen it, doesn't know what it
looks like, so they can't sort it out.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
On their own.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
So both Brooke and Nathan are modeling the behavior that
they wished for, and it's you know, it's effective on
the kids that they're dealing with.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
I love that. That's a great point.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
Yeah, kids can't sort it out on their own. Did
people not watch the first four seasons of our show?
Speaker 3 (52:00):
They're not reliable at all.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
That is one of the hardest parts of parenting, I find,
because I always felt like I was given so much
as so many answers every time I had a problem.
It was like, oh, here's here's exactly what you should do.
And it kind of eventually I started figuring out that
as nice as it was, you know, well intentioned, but
(52:24):
parents aren't in our classrooms with us. They're not engaged
with the students and the people that we are in
the same way at that age, and the advice didn't
always work. Almost hardly ever did it work. And I
had to figure out my own way of doing it.
And there was something about like the autonomy of that
that I do. I try and give Maria that, like,
(52:46):
I'm here, I have ideas if you, if you want
my opinion, I'm happy to give that to you. And
of course there's safety issues and things, you know, some
things there's there's always like a progression of where the
line is for that, but I think it's important for
kids to be able to have the space to experiment
with trying to figure things out and fail. They have
(53:08):
to try it and fail. And if you don't ever
have an opportunity to fail, I don't know how you
develop your character. I don't know how you. I don't
know how you learn because then and then it then
it affects your confidence and your ability to decision make.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Because I love you.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
Sad got this one boundary breakfast at seven and just
found the exact work around.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
She did, I'm following the rule. Brilliant.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
You weren't specific enough.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
So good.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
That's such a teenage thing to do too.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Let's been a while because Sophia's got to go, I do.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
I got to jump.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
We don't have a hell of a day today.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's going to be a great Saturday.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
He didn't chew it.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Oh lord, Oh this is a good one.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
Who is most likely to say I love you to
a one night stand?
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Girls, Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Ah, it's me. It's me.
Speaker 5 (54:09):
I did, And now I have a thirteen year old
and yea shit worked by the way he said it first,
so said a first.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Uh, it's me. I love love. I love love so hard.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
I love you admitting that about yourself, and it makes
me giggle because I realized that the first person who
came to mind when we read the question for me
was Bevin, but not like actual Bevin, like Bevin's character character,
because I could immediately see the scene and someone being
like thank you, No, like just bere comedict gold.
Speaker 5 (54:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
But I love that the real I love that, the
real life version of that led to all of this
for you. That's just it's great, best thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (55:03):
I loved that big oh right away. I also love
being impulsive, and I'm stubborn enough to commit to my impulsiveness.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
Love it. Hey, what do we have next episode? What happens? Next?
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Season six, episode eight? Our life is not a movie?
Or maybe I don't think I know what that means,
but I don't either into it.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
It sounds dramatic, all right, it's.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Not a movie or maybe maybe Okay.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
All right, thanks for joining us, Scott, Thanks everybody, Well, hey,
thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also
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Speaker 1 (55:49):
H or email us at drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.
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Speaker 3 (55:56):
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