March 28, 2022 • 50 mins
Will Dan let Keith have his happily ever after? And are we in support?! As the Queens realize that the start of Nathan and Haley’s relationship mirrors Jules and Keith’s, we wonder why we root for certain characters and perhaps not others?
As Hilarie, Sophia and Joy discuss Keith, they begin to reminisce about Craig Sheffer. The ladies confirm that just like Barry Corbin and Paul Johansson, he was an amazing mentor, protector, and costar. And Craig is here to join the Drama Queens. The girls have butterflies, and QUESTIONS! For one, how did onscreen enemies Dan and Keith become BFF's IRL?
Plus, the name of the game is always (early 2000’s) fashion, and Haley’s tour style is a-changing! So we must discuss the looks! And the mess Chris Keller keeps trying to make of her life!
Last but not least, Peyton and Jake have what may be the steamiest show on OTH to date. And Hilarie, we need to know everything.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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sixteen Somewhere a Clock is ticking Air date March first,
two thousand and five. Well, the synopsis on this one, guys,
is It's Jewels and Keith's wedding day. But will Jules
make it down the aisle? As Karen and Andy discover
the truth about her identity. Hayley makes an appearance on
National TV with Chris Keller that sends Nathan down a
drunken spiral. Peyton and Jake take their relationship to the
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next level. Plus Brooke tags along with Lucas to Keith's wedding,
while her future as a Tree Hill resident might soon
be over because of her dad's new job. Who There
is a lot to unpack in this episode, and we
have someone very special to help us do it. Guys,
Craig Scheffer is joining us later in the show. We
can't wait. This was a good one. Yeah. We things
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kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger on our show.
I forget, like, how many weddings did we have? I
had a couple, You had a couple. Everybody had a couple.
Every like six episodes. We need a wedding or or
a hospital giant group event, I know. Um, well, let's
start with the first thing that we all commented on,
because it's the it's um this this this director has
(01:33):
directed many episodes of One Tree Hill, and um, it's
Billy Dixon. And we all were just talking right off
the bat with all the great shots and the and
the beautiful um lighting and just the way that he
would capture where we are as characters using the camera.
And I thought that was really neat. What did you
guys think, Well, he's our director of photography. If anyone
(01:55):
understands a camera, it is Billy Dixon. Um. And he
also was a family guy. You know, his daughter was
always on set, his wife was always like hanging out
on set. And I was just telling you guys that
his daughter, who used to dress up as a cheerleader
and come hang out with us at the gym, just
(02:16):
got married and had a baby. Like I'm Facebook friends
at them, and I'm like, there's no way we're old
enough for Haley to have a baby, but we are.
It's so cute. One of the things, you know, um,
for the folks at home, that we were talking about,
when you think about how the director can manipulate a
camera to tell a story. If you if you notice,
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there's a couple of shots that stand out. You know,
there's this low push upward at Karen and Andy when
they realize who Jules is. There's another moment, I like
the one where Jake is taking his coat off. Yeah,
so like Jake takes the coat off and then the
coat covers the camera and then it's into the coat
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going around Craig's shoulders. It's all these cool things that
behind things too from far away long lenses. And yes,
like none of that stuff for y'all at home is scripted.
That's stuff that the director comes up with, how they
do those transitions, how they support an emotional feeling with
a technical choice. So it's really fun for us to
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to get to see that, especially because, as Hillary said,
Billy was our director of photography for many years, so
he was on set with us all day every day.
I love this opening, the sailboat, the way the water
was listening, Lucas running, what did you say so much bouncing? Listen.
As I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, Lucas bounces this
(03:42):
ball all over town like he's been doing that for
a couple of seasons. And in my life, I'm trying
to think if I've ever seen a teen boy bounce
a ball through town like while he's running, like on
the jog that is an exclusive Lucas Scott trade, I think, yeah,
But I love to that opening. I liked the music.
It reminded me of like nineties rom com beginnings. Sophia
(04:06):
did not like this music. Look, i'm gonna say when
it first started, I was like, Oh, this feels poetic,
and then it got into that weird twangy elevator musach
like thing, and I was like, where are we going
with this? What's happening? What's going on? So yeah, I
went from a fan to not a fan. We transitioned
(04:26):
out of it pretty quickly, and I just got that
nice quote, this is the beginning, the beginning of always
something about the choice you make now at the beginning
of well, let's talk about choices now, Haley, Jake Scott
is out on tour and it's pressuring her. Smoking hot
is Joy as Haley on the phone, like, I'm sorry,
I've been rehearsing all that love. I can't help it. Yeah,
(04:50):
I've never looked so good all night long, my whole life.
Oh my god, that's TV all night long. I like
that you put that little gravel on your voice though,
you were like, I'm sorry, we've that was a good
choice my hair for this. Yeah, so tired, you look sexy. Joy.
Do you feel like you were changing your style out
(05:10):
on the road, like was was Joy changing her style
out on the road while Haley was also out on
the road. I'm I'm constantly changing my style. I mean
I have I guess I'm constantly experimenting. I love fashion
is fun, but I think style is what's permanent, and
you know that's just who you are. So, especially in
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my twenties, I was certainly always trying to figure out
who am I, what what what fits? What makes sense
for me? Um So I'm definitely always experimenting with fashion
and have been since I was young. But but my style.
There's a groundedness about my style that will will never change.
I don't think. Wait, I love the way you just
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said that. I I had to talk just the other
day about realizing there's a style I'm drawing on too,
but the level of experimenting I've done, whether with clothes
or hair. I had this sort of lightbulb moment where
I went, oh, yeah, for half my life I grew
up in a barn, so I was like in barn clothes.
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For the other half of my life, I went to
a school where I wore a uniforms don't probably it
has no individual personality. And then for my entire adult life,
I've dressed up as other people. And so sometimes I
put clothes on and I go, who is this person
wearing this outfit? Do you feel like that? Like you
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have to try on things to figure out what what
you put on that feels like you versus some character
or some look that maybe doesn't feel personal. I just
had to give notes on a photo shoot I'm supposed
to do, and they sent the look book and I
was like, this looks like someone who loves Coachella. I
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need you to understand I am significantly more in progynous
than this. Yes, yes, and for me, like having played
a lot of pencil skirts. Um, that's hard because in
real life I'm still wearing the exact same thing I
wore in high school. It's like men's loose, baggy pants
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and then like a little a little shirt. That is
what I wore at sixteen. It's what I wear. Att Yeah,
I've been. I think I started vintage shopping when I
was in high school and that was kind of it
for me. I I just was never into designer labels
for no other reason than I well, I couldn't afford
them when I was younger, um for sure, and but
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I for most of my life. But I also just
love history. I love being a part of history. So
that's why I love old houses, old gadgets, old things.
So old clothes too. It feels like I'm stepping into something.
I love knowing that somebody else wore it a really
long time ago. I know some people that are too
super creeped out by that. Why did you put on
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clothes and someone else war? You know? Speaking of my
little blazers, I just found it a a vintage shore in Toronto.
I found a vintage eve sail Laurenso I put it
on and I where you guys, it's blue, it's beautiful,
And I was like, where did this lady go and
what powerful thing did she do in this outfit? And
what of that energy am I going to take to
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go do something badass like it makes me feel like
a superhero. Yeah, it's the best, it's taking it. Should
we open a vintage store? Yes? In Wilmington's Are you kidding? Sure? Well,
I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't
want to give Jess james uh competition because she's got that.
I think we need to collaborate is what needs to happen.
The um you would love it, you guys. Nathan at
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the top of this episode is bringing some very angry energy.
We're taking power Girl energy into our life. Nathan is
being so shitty to Haley at the beginning of this,
but it's so appropriate because he is a sixteen year
old boy and he's so hurt, and Haley is doing
and saying all the right things. What can I do?
What can I say? Well, and we've talked, we not
(09:07):
just us, but the world is recognizing that for a
very long time, we've pushed boys into a box that
is harmful for them. We tell them they're not allowed
to have feelings. Boys don't cry, Man up, toughen up,
you know, grow a pair. All this nonsense that's so toxic,
not just for the women who have to deal with them,
(09:27):
but for the men who get segmented into thinking that
they're only permissible emotion is anger. Nathan is hurt and
so he's raging, and it's hard and it's heartbreaking to watch.
But I actually think it was done really well in
that we didn't pretend that he had the framework or
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the tools to be this evolved person and deal with
his feelings. His feelings come out as anger, and the
people who love him have to keep saying we love you,
we're here for you, to to try to push him
into actually feeling his feelings. And I I thought James
did a really beautiful job with it. I really I
(10:09):
believed it, and I and I hurt for him watching
the episode, and and when he is finally feeling the
sadness alone at their wedding site, like his mom comes house,
it's just poetic. I think it's it's when you get
a script and you read anger right, it takes a
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good actor to make you pity that the whole time,
and James does a good job of it. A great
point of being sympathetic while also being a total ass
especially came from Yes, and a good actor puts the
emotion under the anger that the anger is the mask for.
(10:56):
And that's why you go, oh, I see what, I
see what's under there? Will feel for that? Yeah, you
know what? Who else had some real angry moments? And
this was Moira? Oh my goodness. Yeah, I love watching
her because she didn't just get mad and hit jewels
slash Emily. She her whole chest got red, her face,
(11:18):
it was like that that Irish, beautiful porcelain skin just
turned that rash went red all the way up, which
she's down her neck, down her the chest. Yes, but
I was like, God, she's just so real. She's actually
feels that anger. You can't fake that, you can't make
your body react. That's muscle memory. Yeah, And as an
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older actor, I remember being a kid and like watching
like the older folks on our show do stuff and
I'm like, how do they do that? Right? And then
it really is just exercise. It's muscle memory. It's like
how do I make my whole body flush? How do
I make my eyes tear up? How do I make
my nostrils flair? How do I make my chin on bowl?
But there's behavior like you can and that's like the
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behavior can be learned to copy behavior, but to actually
feel it. Where do you goes in those scenes? Where
who do you think she's mad at in real life?
I don't nobody. I think she's literally in the moment,
mad at Jules. I think that's just she's just you
said that once. Joy. I remember like asking you how
you cried because you're so good at it. I remember
(12:27):
asking you that on our show once and you were
just like, I don't know, Haley sad, so I'm sad.
And I was like, yeah, that's it, Like it's whoa,
I feel like Bill and Ted I was just like,
mind is blown always. I remember all of us figuring
out how to do those things, and same some people
(12:49):
saying like, oh, yeah, you know I have this trick.
I think about this thing, this loss I experienced her,
you know, I like keep a pair of tweezers in
my pocket and poked my finger, all these tricks and
I was like, however you do to be upset? Like,
I have to be really genuinely upset, and then I
go home and I have to figure out how to
get all this upset out of my body so I
(13:09):
can sleep. Well, you know, I'm the same way, for
better or worse. But I just recently shot a movie
and um, one of the actors in the movies Super
Experience works all the time and is incredibly well respected,
and he just like had the lady come over and
blow mental in his eyes and that was it. And
(13:30):
and he was just like, it's all the same the audience.
It's movie magic. The audience doesn't know. As long as
I can give them, give them what they want, then
they don't know the difference. I was like, God, that's
just so baller. I love it. And then I don't
go home and torture my family. What I'm saying like,
you're not exhausted, You're not like sending your heart through
all this gut wrenching experience. You just and it was
(13:52):
real believable. Well, Jewels Jewels slash. Emily certainly got her
ass handed to her in this episode, but we noted
at the beginning of this, you know, Nathan is lamenting
the whole situation with Haley and Jules is like in
her spiral about what's going to happen with Keith, you know,
and like keeping the secret. Jules and Keith start out
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with a lie the same way Haley and Nathan do.
And we're rooting for Haley and Nathan. Are we equally
rooting for Jewels and Keith? Well? I don't know that
we are. But what I think was a great device,
and I thought Chad played the scene really well. Is
they made Chad the one who called Nathan out on it.
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Like Nathan's talking trash about what Juels is doing to Keith,
and Lucas looks at him and basically says, you started
the exact same way, and you love Haley and it
and you saw how it disarmed Nathan and and in
a way I wonder now looking back, if the writers
(14:59):
did it almost as a device to remind the audience, Wow,
you guys really want to pile on Jewels, but you've
sure been rooting for Nathan and Haley this whole time.
I was kind of like, oh, I feel a little
called out in my defensiveness of Keith. Maybe I should
maybe I should believe Jewels. What do you think? Right? Yeah?
(15:21):
That didn't occur to me at all, I thought, especially
especially because Lucas was the one who was like, what
are you doing to Haley? And the Nelly of it
all want him over And so in a way, you
you see in that moment why he's gone along with
Dan's plan, why he's moved in with Dan, why he's
done all this because he wants Keith to have a shot. Yeah, yeah,
(15:46):
I do too, And I see it's like they're really
starting to grow on me. Okay, well maybe if if
she really loves him and he really loves her. Yeah,
the lie is going to have to be uncovered and
dealt with, but that doesn't change their personalities. They didn't
bond on. They didn't let us see enough fun scenes
between Jewels. You know, we've gotten to see a lot
(16:08):
of romance between Nathan and Haley, which is lovely, and
the only time we ever see Jewels is when Dan
is kind of like twirling his mustache. Um And had
we been able to see more of the fun stuff
between them, plus, that would have been great for Craig,
you know what I mean. He's such a great leading
romantic partner, and I wish that we'd gotten to see
(16:30):
him in that, because we've only seen him Pine after
Karen and then go to the total opposite end of
the spectrum and be like in a serious relationship with jewels.
So where's like the flirting? Give me some flirt? Yeah, well,
and remember how good it was like when they were
on the phone and she said, oh, you're calling for
a survey, like we loved that. I sometimes I lament
(16:53):
when TV shows do the thing which they do because
you only have an hour, but they say, oh, well
off screen, this has happened, and now what we're going
to show on screen? But I want to see the
screen stuff. I want to see more of, you know,
their dates and their comedy and and the way they
you know, share I played the food at a restaurant
and all that stuff. I want to see more of
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Maria Manunos in that red silk robe. How gorgeous was
she that? It was like, somebody get me a red
silk robe. That was great make pajama but god, it
was just like she looked so beautiful. All the women looked. Sorry,
it's just kind of a weird segue, but like I
just I had this in my notes that the colors,
(17:34):
the blue silk and I loved Maria. But but Maria
did such a beautiful job with her performance in this
and all the conflicting motions, and you know, you really
didn't know what was going to happen, Like I was
on the show and I did not know whether she
was going to run or shows day. Yeah, I couldn't remember,
(17:56):
and I I liked to that. You felt like maybe
she was able to get past things with Dan when
she was in that you know robe and he showed
up and tried to give her a necklace and she
wouldn't take it. But it's the threat from Karen. And
what a gut punch that is when Dan is trying
to hide that smile and says, you know, way to go, Cupid,
(18:19):
this one's on you. That hurt guys. I her screwed
up by the technicalities because having been married, like how
did Jules get a marriage license with a hero same
Like there's all these little things that I'm like we
could and watching the show all these years later, the
(18:40):
fact that Andy had to leave to go get that
photo and a Manila envelope. Now we would just pull
it up on an iPhone, you know what. All the
problems iPhone solves, So how do we even make TV
would Why wouldn't the p I bring the photo to
Andy and he's clearly paying him a pretty penny to
do this research. He could have driven it to the church.
Why did Andy have to go somewhere? Yeah, that was
(19:02):
really weird. Was it just to get Karen and Andy
outside for that gorgeous pushed upward shot? Like what it was?
I think it was also to create more tension with
the time, like we're like, is he going to make
it back in time to reveal the thing? Yeah? It
was just an excellent layer of So it wasn't just
to get them out of that weird kitchen with the
(19:22):
bowl of carrots. What was with the bowl of carrots?
I don't know, but it's a giant bowl of carrots.
Who did set deck that day? Sophia? You know what
I'm bringing to your wedding, a giant bowl of carrots.
I can't wait. Let's switch over to Whitey. We had
(19:47):
some great Whitey energy in this episode, so nice to
see him back. I love Barry Corbin. I love he's
just so reliable, you know exactly what you're getting get
and I love that he just hands Nathan's ask to him,
the pitty store is closed today. You know, she's your
wife where I come from, that still means something. He's
(20:09):
so salty and he's not interested in Nathan's like, you know, feelings.
He's just like, grow up and figure it out. She's
your wife. It's meaningful and it's it's like it's exactly
the counter energy to to everyone else like panicking over
him that you need coddling. Yeah, he's not one to coddle. I. UM,
(20:32):
I wanted to tell you guys because Barry. I always
just love stories about Barry and we love him so much. UM.
And I did Jordan's Ross, his grandson's podcast. His grandson
is an actor on Three and the Chosen and UM
a few other projects he's coming out. But I just
did his podcast called What's Your Limp? Um. So, Jordan's
is an actor with cerebral palsy and scoliosis and he
(20:57):
walks with a limp, and so the podcast is called
What's your Limp? And he's had this limp since he
was really young. And he was telling me how you know,
the kids at school would make fun of him, as
kids do unfortunately, and Barry used to when when we
were on One Tree Hill and when the show was
really in the height of its popularity and Jordan was
(21:17):
in that age range, Barry would come to school and
bring him his lunch and and purposely walk it to
him in the cafeteria where everybody could see him. And
then you know, and him as lunch, spent some time
chat with him, and when he would go away, all
the kids were like, your grandpa's Coach white no way,
that's so cool. And he would do it on purpose,
(21:38):
just to continue to you know, support. I just love
Barry so much. That's the kind of person that Barry
Corbyn is. Um. If you didn't know what you know
what you see with Coach Whitey. Really it shines through
when I think about the men that we had as
our mentor protectors as young women. You know, we had
(22:00):
some who weren't, but we had Barry, we had Craig Scheffer,
we had Paul Johansson, my god, with our cast we
won the lottery with those with with me, with those
older men, with that energy and and how lucky we
are that the kind of love that he would you know,
(22:21):
show his grandson in those moments, that's the way they
took care of us on set. God, yeah, just awesome.
So I just had to talk about that. I love
I love Barry Corbyn so much and I loved what
he brought to this episode. He's such a fine theater
actor because he can do that whole rant right where
he's like no no, no no no no, no, no
no no, there's your story and to smile like he's
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he's rehearsed in a way that is so professional and
it just you know, he makes it look easy. And
that's not to understand to not fall into your same,
like Cadence, your same, just like vocal read the things
like that, Like Barry always finds the turn and if
you watch his performances, he's just he's a master at that.
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The smile at the end. Also, I just love the
dig on his way out after the smile, his ideas
faked by the way. It was such a good button
on a scene and and it's it's an incredible thing
when you watch people take pain and turn it into
(23:31):
something that provides the comic relief of a very emotionally
heightened episode. I was like, this is fun. I am
deeply enjoying what I'm seeing right now. Somebody else entry Hill,
who definitely has a fake idea is Brooke Davis, and
she was so fun in this episode. I rich girl things.
(23:52):
I love almost rich girl things. That needs to be
on a T shirt too. Who's keeping track of all
the things we say? And to be Oh my god,
I know it's so funny. I um. I also loved
because I remember, and I've forgotten until it was on
in front of us, but having to run into your
room that morning, Hill and you know you and Greenberg
(24:14):
are in bed, is Peyton and Jake, and um, Jenny's
just said dad, dad, and it's this whole beautiful, you know,
family moment for these young people. And I remember being like, you, guys,
I'm saying so many words before I acknowledge that they're
in bed together. It's ridiculous and it's great. And then
I was like, I had this moment where I went,
(24:35):
maybe it's ridiculously funny, and I remember fun it was
to lean into that and just be so excited to
tell you something that for what felt like two minutes,
I don't even notice there's other people in the room
with us. And it classically made me laugh today and
it was very happy, classic Lucy Classic Lucy Ball. Yes,
(24:58):
but it's the stick. The Brook's gonna leave town because
her daddy's getting a new job. Like, I was just
so fixated on your outfit, in your cute hair and
like you being funny that I was like, wait, what
you're like? Now they're teasing You're going to leave it too? Yeah,
that was sudden. To that was really sudden. I was
totally focused on that scalloped sparkle vintage or whatever dress.
Whoever made that dress, Betsy Johnson, I don't know, but
(25:21):
I want that dress back. You guys, it's not my
color palette like Hillary. To your point, I'm much more androgynous.
I wear a lot of men's suits, but something in
my body viscerally you're to touch that dress again. I
can't explain it. It was closet. Yeah, I just want
(25:44):
to see it in there and be like, that's mine. Yea.
If anybody knows where it is, can you email? We
need professionals like researcher that goes on first DIBs and
real real and finds us the things that we miss.
Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, we need we
need to set sleuth. I Um, it's interesting too because
(26:05):
it brought back I forgot where the episode ended. Seeing
that dress again brought back the conversation that I now
realized happens in episode seventeen, UM between Brooke and Lucas.
That is one of my favorite moments in early seasons,
especially for their storyline, and I was kind of waiting
(26:28):
for it, and then when the episode ended, I was like,
oh my god, it's kind of a two parter. This
is amazing I forgot. But the the sweetness of them
trying to have this budding friendship, um in an episode
where the writers did give me so much like I
love Lucy comedy. God, I'm nostalgic for that. That was
(26:50):
like my favorite part of playing Brooke was when the
comedy was really fun and then the and then we
got to get vulnerable and you know, she doesn't totally
know what to do with it, but she's finding her way.
Something really interesting about Brooke in this episode that I noticed,
which I think has been going on for a while,
(27:11):
but it jumped out at me right now, Um, instead
of Okay, it's just half baked, so find it with me.
Instead of blaming her, like being unhappy on her circumstances,
she lost her money. You know, she's um, there's a
lot of drama with boys. She's just trying. She is
(27:31):
trying to find her way. But instead of pointing fingers
and trying to solve the problem by um, it's pointing
her finger at Felix and being like, it's your fault.
You know we're together, but I don't really love you.
I want to be with this guy. She just kind
of settled, like every it was like everything just kind
of settled down, and she was like, I'm gonna stop
making rash decisions, making uh, having big reactions to things.
(27:55):
I'm going to spend time finding myself and I'm not
gonna blame my happiness or unhappiness on my circumstances. I'm
going to let the circumstances say the same, stay the same.
So that to me, I guess maybe that, to me
is how I justified her not breaking up with Felix
yet when she clearly is still has feelings for Lucas
or might might have feelings for someone else too. It's
(28:15):
more just in the future. I mean, it's just that
she was finding herself instead of constantly pulling on everything,
strings on everything around her, Like what's going to unravel.
You know, how do I fix myself? Yeah, well, it's
it's kind of a precursor till later seasons where she says,
I stopped letting boys define me. She's she's in the
(28:36):
beginning of that going I don't know that I'm happy
he's he's being good to me. I don't know if
that's enough, but it's more about me. I'm she says,
I'm I'm feeling independent. Maybe I don't want a boyfriend.
(28:57):
It's so nice and she's just going to take a
set it before she involves anyone else's feelings and figure
out how she feels and they act from that place.
When she's so joyful in this episode, which is nice
because we've seen we meet Brooke and she's super joyful,
but she's also like playing a part like I'm the
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bad girl. And then she goes through her like dark,
manipulative phase at the Nathan Scott party and then we
see sad Brooke whose heart is broken and so to
get happy, independent, hopeful Brooke Davis in this episode feels
great and the gift that we all know that we
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all love. We squealed, like that's my gift. When when
they decide they're going to go to the wedding together.
I love that game. It's so iconic that that scene,
and you're so I mean, I remember Paul telling us, uh,
when he was directing to commit, He's like, you have
to commit to things. If you haf acid, you look silly, right,
(30:04):
And you were always so good at committing to that
like over the top excitement. You made it so believable
that it's like, yes, of course, that's how a sixteen
year old girl would react. She would literally squeal, as
we all did when we watched your that's all still
sixteen year old girls deep down? Um, can we talk
(30:25):
about Peyton and Jake if we must guys to really sexy?
Oh my god, that was like the most sex we've
had on the show. I feel like, alright, alright a
h Also, I'm realizing in this moment, Brooke is kind
of the audience Like I I got to say everything
(30:49):
that the audience was saying at home, which is like,
oh my god, you guys are in bed together. What
are you doing? I'm going to leave okay by like
what's happening? And when you guys get to the church
and she's like, you did it. I was speaking for
the entire One Tree Hill fandom in that moment, being
like I could see it on your face. We saw
it in that scene. Okay our eyes, guys, Yeah, I
(31:12):
can't watch it. It's uncomfortable because I okay, I had
a big conflict with this scene because I remember Billy
Dixon is like a beloved crew member of ours, and
it's so much harder to say no to someone who
you like and respect than it is to say it
to a total stranger who's just coming into direct for
(31:34):
ten days. Um. So Billy wanted to do this sex
scene starting on our feet and like our legs rubbing
together and like coming up our bodies, and I just
really felt like that was way too adult. Also, I
had been getting prison mail since I was on MTV,
and there was like a couple of dudes in particular
(31:54):
that were like, I'm going to cut your feet off
and put them in my refrigerator. And so I had
this weird thing couple of a couple of us oh yeah, okay,
very specific letters. And I had a thing about my
feet on TV. I would always try to like hide
my feet because I was just like, I don't want
them to think I'm baiting them, you know, and we're kids,
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and you know, like anyway, So I remember being like, please, please,
please don't start on this shot and they're like, we're
not going to and I'm like, please don't. They're like,
we just have to shoot it, but it's gonna be
blurred and you guys are like in the blankets and
it'll be fuzzy. And when that thing aired on TV
and it starts on our feet and our legs like
Grasshopper in together, I'm just like, what the heck is
(32:41):
this so so frustrating. It's listen now we get to
watch playback. Back then, it was like on film and
you just had to trust what was going on at
the monitor was what you asked. That's why we didn't
trust anybody. For God's sake, damn it. Of course that
said that was the longest sex scene in the history
of my career. It was it was hot, it was
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also I don't know, it was like it was really
beautiful because you you'd spent all this tender time with
these two and they'd spent so much time in bed together,
you know, taking it slow and having emotional conversations that
the payoff. We were all just like, oh my god,
it's like the fireworks finally went off. Yeah, yeah, I
(33:26):
loved it. You guys have such great We'll say it
again and again, and I was just so happy to
see it was It was really sweet. It was really sweet.
And what did like a freaking bum out to like,
finally do the damn thing, go to a super romantic wedding,
have that go to shop and be like, well, let's
go home, and then we're happy. And then Nikki's on
(33:47):
the doorstep, like how much that can happen in one
day in tree Hill? And by the way Nikki gets
revealed by the baby mama, I was like, oh this
a deep cut. That that is a wound. Just oh yeah,
the baaby Jenny when they when they get her out
of the car, they're talking and the baby goes mama
(34:10):
and then it cuts and you see Nikki in the shadow.
Maybe it glitched I miss that, But another technical error
because the way Greenberg is holding that baby, no one,
no parent has ever held a baby like forward facing
like that to get out of the car. And it's
just another one of those blocking devices where it's like
we need the baby to be able to see Nikki
(34:31):
and say mama. That's so annoying. Though he totally could
have had her over the shoulder and then just turned
his head around, but then we couldn't have seen him,
you know, like it was bad blocking. But babies don't
say mama until they're like seventeen years old. Dad. Dad
is always the first word. It's so frustrating because you're
the one like breastfeeding and you can see it by
(34:53):
the way baby Jenny is laughing and then the sound
is mama and they're like her, didn't make that shape.
But but I understand that you can't control babies on camera,
like you can't control any small living creature on camera.
And it's I guess we're just going to drop in
the sound trauma. It was trauma. I love the trauma
(35:16):
with deb you know, we we've talked about like in
future or in previous episodes. We've been like, when does
Bell Dead become an addict? Like when it's Keith Sweat
where it starts, and Chad did such a good Yeah,
Chad did a really good job in that scene because
we were all like, how audacious for a teenage boy
(35:38):
to confront an adult about an addiction issue? Okay, but
also Sophia, I loved your comment about Lucas in the
hallway creepy. You know, you guys, this is this is
a moment where I wish we could talk to Billy
Digs in there. We're blocking again, you got is okay,
(36:00):
So what we're referencing is when when Barbara as Dab
is in the kitchen and she takes the bottle of
painkillers out of like a you know, a kitchen cupboard
and takes one the cabinets. Well, yes, but you know why.
I don't know, but you know, it moves from her
(36:21):
around her face, and you see Lucas peering around the
kitchen cabinets like he's in some c I a break in,
leaning on. He's leaning against but but they made him
lean and then they literally had him just like pulled
backwards along the cabinets till he disappeared like Homer Simpson
disappearing into the bushes like on The Simpsons. And we
(36:41):
were all like, is that sometimes directors tell you to
do something that to Hillary's point, when you see on camera,
you just go, god, damn it. I shouldn't have listened.
I shouldn't back Oh god, yeah, that whole thing could
have had better, tunny technicalities of all of it were
so strange, but no, yes, you're right like it. It was.
(37:04):
It was a very ballsy move for Lucas to go
called about on it. She handled it well, she did.
I actually thought they were both so good in that
scene because you could see his discomfort as a young
person saying this, trying to relate it to his own
experience that felt a little scary, and her just to
(37:25):
be like, oh, just what I need an adolescent boy,
and her rage and the way she put him in
his place, telling him, you know, you're a guest in
my house. All of this it you saw it fall
when she closed the door. Barbara immediately played the shame
and the fear about what she was doing. And I
just thought it was beautiful. Yeah, I mean it's both
(37:50):
of them said all the right things, you know. He
said what you're supposed to say when you see someone
who you think might be in peril, and she also
said all the things that you say when a child
comes at you and you are a grown ass woman
trying to deal with your Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I
like scenes where both characters are in the right I
(38:11):
do too, And it and it interestingly, I think allowed
us to see, you see who's in the right. Even
with Karen and Jules, they are both in the right.
So many people are both in the right. And it
allows Dan in this episode to feel even more evil
when Jules isn't coming down the aisle and Dan Scott
(38:32):
is the only person not facing the back of the church,
He's watching Keith so happy, and then that end scene
where he knocks him off the wedding cake and he
and he sets his sights on deb it. It fueled
this darkness that was so so creepy. It was creepy. Well,
(39:03):
I would like to hear straight from the horse's mouth
about the relationship between Keith and Dan and Paul and Greg,
and so if any of you are interested in that,
we certainly have a super super special guest today, my
former early twenties crush and honestly still are crush, super
(39:29):
baby doll. I love the super babe ladies and gentlemen.
Mr Craig Jeffer, Oh my god, god, you look fantastic.
Oh my gosh, Hi, oh man better now we miss you.
(39:52):
Look at this? What is this? What are you wearing?
I love this jacket? What is this red jacket one
of my things that I designed. Okay, I'll let okay,
So if we have so many places to start, I
don't even know where to start. Craig right, Hillary buttons.
It is one of my prize possessions. I'm gonna go
disappear right now and come back with my fur. I'm
(40:13):
going to be right back discuss. Craig is like the
most romantic man on the planet. I'll be right back.
She was just before you got on. She was like,
I've got to go up to the attic and get
this gift that Craig got me. It's the best ever.
Oh that is so cute. Oh my goodness. You're in
Los Angeles. I'm in l A right now. Yeah, okay,
(40:35):
so if you where are you again? So I'm based
in l A. But my my show that I'm doing
right now is shooting in Toronto. So yeah, yeah, thank you.
And so I'm here for another I don't know, ten
days and then I'll be home. Oh my god, please
come over. Can we all just get together. Are you
living in l A or you kind of back and
(40:56):
forth between l A and someplace else where in Pennsylvania
From most of the last decade with my my family,
my mom and my brother passed away. I think I
saw you before that. But yeah, so I moved back
here and I got back a week before the pandemic,
which was really exciting. Whoa, And so things are just
kind of, you know, starting life back in l A again,
(41:19):
everything starting back up again slowly. It feels like during
the pandemic everybody got a hobby. Everybody started making bread
and likes. But you talking about this amazing jacket that
you made. You've been doing this forever. So before we
get into Keith Scott, we got to talk about Craig
Cheffer being a true jack of all trades and a
(41:41):
renaissance man. Renaissance man. Where where did making clothes that
looked like they walked off a runway? Where does this
come from? You know, it really started with traveling when
I was when I was young, and uh, you know,
like twenties and thirties, I would do a job and
I would you know, take that money and just go
(42:02):
somewhere and travel. I think the first one was India. Yeah,
I went to India. I was in India for a
long time, for almost six months. And when I was
there was still like a cowboy town. I mean, it's
all it's all kind of changed. And I was like
dirt streets. Uh. The town that I was staying was
(42:23):
called my Sore and at that time it was just
like like a total couch town. But anyway, they had
all these you know shops with all these crazy materials,
you know, and I just started going in and I
was like, what do you what cost? Make me a
shut done a fifty? You know, like, let's do it, baby.
And I made like a hundred pieces of clothing and
(42:45):
brought them all back. And then I I went to
South America and I was in Peru and they had
all kinds of cool out pack of stuff and I started.
I brought a bunch of blankets and made capes and
then I would make stuff for friends and my daughter.
And you know, that's just one of my hobbies. Did
you learn? How do you sew? Also, you're you're doing
this by hand or your order? You design? I am not.
(43:07):
I am not tackle, all right. I like to draw.
That's about the only thing I can do like that. Yeah,
I'm not good at that, believe it or not. I
take it to this wonderful lady who it works in
a laundromat. You know, she Hem's clothes and all stuff.
But of course she was trained way way back and
you know, to make dresses and clothes and all that stuff.
(43:28):
So yeah, I just I had my own buttons pressed off,
these little crosses on them, and they're so cool. Like
I want to steal that jacket if you send me,
If you send me like a shirt or your size,
I'll make you, guys all something Native American Western stuff.
That's what I like. Hillary, You've got your thing. But
(43:52):
Craig Schaffer, let it be known, you gave me my
first fur coat ever. I felt so entirely grown up.
I have moved eight thousand times in the last twenty years,
and this coat comes with me everywhere. And for those
of you at home who can't see this, Hilary is
sporting a below the hip jacket with a nice tilted
(44:18):
collar and buttons that are made out of brass. It's Craig.
These are the Craigs pressed buttons that he made. It's something.
It's not real silver, obviously, you know. It was the
loveliest gift ever. And you brought it after um we
threw a birthday party for your daughter, Like, how is
(44:39):
Willow Willows great. Yeah, we see each other all the time.
She actually is living up in a Girl Hills. You remember,
I lived at mountin the Lake for your house. Was
so awesome. She's up around there right now, and yeah,
she's awesome. Men. You know, we have an amazing relationship
(45:00):
and it's just it's the best thing, you know, as
you know, as you guys know. Now, well, it's so weird, Craig,
because you were like the dad on set. You and
Moira had kids, you know, and then like Barbara started
bringing her girls around, and it was it was wild
because we looked at you guys as peers, but then
you had like children, you know, and so we didn't
(45:22):
know who to play with. You were the kids. It
was also so fun, you guys so nice to little
She'd come in the trailer and you were getting your
makeup on, and she was so cool. She was the
coolest kid. It was also so cool for us because,
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you know, to Hillary's point, like you guys felt like peers,
but like the cool older siblings we'd all always wanted,
but then you had these kids, who you know, Willow
was this cool young woman. She was so creative and
she wanted to hang out with us, and we looked
up to us. Oh yeah, we felt like the Babysitters Club.
We were like, it's happened, we are we are mentors.
(46:06):
I don't know. I think all of you guys were
there that night. One time. It took her down to
somebody's apartment and you guys had a sheet up and
played a movie with her while I went down at dinner.
I remember taking her to the mall. Who went to
the mall with her and me? It wasn't Maybe we
(46:26):
did because we all go. I don't know, there's nothing
like strolling around the mall. Um, yes, please tell her
for nothing. I think a huge part of why we
why we took our roles as mentors in the show,
because you know, we talked a lot on this show
about how often we would fight for certain storylines or
you know, fight for representing young women. And having Willow
(46:50):
and Barbara's girls around, it was something that really affected
us to hold us up to that standard of the
responsibility that we felt. You know, I was so glad
that those girls were around. Yeah, they were so lucky.
That's inspiring, man. I got to leave something for the
people coming. Yeah, you know, you said something that I wonder.
I wonder how the fans at home are taking it.
(47:13):
You know, Oh, you guys used to watch my daughter
when I go to dinner with Paul, Like, yeah, is it?
Is it crazy? Uh? For fans? Have you experienced that?
It's wild for them to know that? You know, in
real life, Craig and Paul adored each other, whereas on
screen Dan and Keith or like the clashing of the
rams all the time. I know, it is really funny,
(47:35):
isn't it. Yeah, you can't quite a picture that, you know.
He shot me and then we went out to dinner.
You guys had worked together before. You did a movie
in Actually, actually I saw it for the first time.
Somebody made me see it. First of all, I didn't
(47:56):
even know it was on TV anywhere. But in no
way is called oh my god, Berserker. Berserker. Yeah. It
was this really bad B movie we made in South Africa,
like in nine or something like that, and we played
(48:17):
these brothers and they had some like forty pounds of
you know, you played brothers in that too, You played
brothers and that only was the evil God. Had you
worked with any of our other castmates before? On One
(48:38):
Tree Hill let's see m Berry or Moira. No, I
don't think so. What was so listen some of the
people actually Shirley, right, yeah, Gary and I did a
very uh at the time Darren movie. It was were
(48:59):
naked for like a third of the movie. It's about
tantric sense. Okay, wow, it's very progressive for the time,
a tarent stamp. Shirley and I uh were in that movie.
It was actually, I think a pretty good movie. Yeah,
we're gonna watch it now. Craig, you for tonight have
to what are you talking about? You got it? I
(49:24):
think one of our burning questions and Joy, I'm gonna
ask it for you, Craig, did you know that Joy
was in love with you? When we all live in
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sixteen Somewhere a Clock is ticking Air date March first,
two thousand and five. Well, the synopsis on this one, guys,
is It's Jewels and Keith's wedding day. But will Jules
make it down the aisle? As Karen and Andy discover
the truth about her identity. Hayley makes an appearance on
National TV with Chris Keller that sends Nathan down a
drunken spiral. Peyton and Jake take their relationship to the
(00:48):
next level. Plus Brooke tags along with Lucas to Keith's wedding,
while her future as a Tree Hill resident might soon
be over because of her dad's new job. Who There
is a lot to unpack in this episode, and we
have someone very special to help us do it. Guys,
Craig Scheffer is joining us later in the show. We
can't wait. This was a good one. Yeah. We things
(01:12):
kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger on our show.
I forget, like, how many weddings did we have? I
had a couple, You had a couple. Everybody had a couple.
Every like six episodes. We need a wedding or or
a hospital giant group event, I know. Um, well, let's
start with the first thing that we all commented on,
because it's the it's um this this this director has
(01:33):
directed many episodes of One Tree Hill, and um, it's
Billy Dixon. And we all were just talking right off
the bat with all the great shots and the and
the beautiful um lighting and just the way that he
would capture where we are as characters using the camera.
And I thought that was really neat. What did you
guys think, Well, he's our director of photography. If anyone
(01:55):
understands a camera, it is Billy Dixon. Um. And he
also was a family guy. You know, his daughter was
always on set, his wife was always like hanging out
on set. And I was just telling you guys that
his daughter, who used to dress up as a cheerleader
and come hang out with us at the gym, just
(02:16):
got married and had a baby. Like I'm Facebook friends
at them, and I'm like, there's no way we're old
enough for Haley to have a baby, but we are.
It's so cute. One of the things, you know, um,
for the folks at home, that we were talking about,
when you think about how the director can manipulate a
camera to tell a story. If you if you notice,
(02:36):
there's a couple of shots that stand out. You know,
there's this low push upward at Karen and Andy when
they realize who Jules is. There's another moment, I like
the one where Jake is taking his coat off. Yeah,
so like Jake takes the coat off and then the
coat covers the camera and then it's into the coat
(02:57):
going around Craig's shoulders. It's all these cool things that
behind things too from far away long lenses. And yes,
like none of that stuff for y'all at home is scripted.
That's stuff that the director comes up with, how they
do those transitions, how they support an emotional feeling with
a technical choice. So it's really fun for us to
(03:22):
to get to see that, especially because, as Hillary said,
Billy was our director of photography for many years, so
he was on set with us all day every day.
I love this opening, the sailboat, the way the water
was listening, Lucas running, what did you say so much bouncing? Listen.
As I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, Lucas bounces this
(03:42):
ball all over town like he's been doing that for
a couple of seasons. And in my life, I'm trying
to think if I've ever seen a teen boy bounce
a ball through town like while he's running, like on
the jog that is an exclusive Lucas Scott trade, I think, yeah,
But I love to that opening. I liked the music.
It reminded me of like nineties rom com beginnings. Sophia
(04:06):
did not like this music. Look, i'm gonna say when
it first started, I was like, Oh, this feels poetic,
and then it got into that weird twangy elevator musach
like thing, and I was like, where are we going
with this? What's happening? What's going on? So yeah, I
went from a fan to not a fan. We transitioned
(04:26):
out of it pretty quickly, and I just got that
nice quote, this is the beginning, the beginning of always
something about the choice you make now at the beginning
of well, let's talk about choices now, Haley, Jake Scott
is out on tour and it's pressuring her. Smoking hot
is Joy as Haley on the phone, like, I'm sorry,
I've been rehearsing all that love. I can't help it. Yeah,
(04:50):
I've never looked so good all night long, my whole life.
Oh my god, that's TV all night long. I like
that you put that little gravel on your voice though,
you were like, I'm sorry, we've that was a good
choice my hair for this. Yeah, so tired, you look sexy. Joy.
Do you feel like you were changing your style out
(05:10):
on the road, like was was Joy changing her style
out on the road while Haley was also out on
the road. I'm I'm constantly changing my style. I mean
I have I guess I'm constantly experimenting. I love fashion
is fun, but I think style is what's permanent, and
you know that's just who you are. So, especially in
(05:31):
my twenties, I was certainly always trying to figure out
who am I, what what what fits? What makes sense
for me? Um So I'm definitely always experimenting with fashion
and have been since I was young. But but my style.
There's a groundedness about my style that will will never change.
I don't think. Wait, I love the way you just
(05:52):
said that. I I had to talk just the other
day about realizing there's a style I'm drawing on too,
but the level of experimenting I've done, whether with clothes
or hair. I had this sort of lightbulb moment where
I went, oh, yeah, for half my life I grew
up in a barn, so I was like in barn clothes.
(06:14):
For the other half of my life, I went to
a school where I wore a uniforms don't probably it
has no individual personality. And then for my entire adult life,
I've dressed up as other people. And so sometimes I
put clothes on and I go, who is this person
wearing this outfit? Do you feel like that? Like you
(06:34):
have to try on things to figure out what what
you put on that feels like you versus some character
or some look that maybe doesn't feel personal. I just
had to give notes on a photo shoot I'm supposed
to do, and they sent the look book and I
was like, this looks like someone who loves Coachella. I
(06:55):
need you to understand I am significantly more in progynous
than this. Yes, yes, and for me, like having played
a lot of pencil skirts. Um, that's hard because in
real life I'm still wearing the exact same thing I
wore in high school. It's like men's loose, baggy pants
(07:16):
and then like a little a little shirt. That is
what I wore at sixteen. It's what I wear. Att Yeah,
I've been. I think I started vintage shopping when I
was in high school and that was kind of it
for me. I I just was never into designer labels
for no other reason than I well, I couldn't afford
them when I was younger, um for sure, and but
(07:38):
I for most of my life. But I also just
love history. I love being a part of history. So
that's why I love old houses, old gadgets, old things.
So old clothes too. It feels like I'm stepping into something.
I love knowing that somebody else wore it a really
long time ago. I know some people that are too
super creeped out by that. Why did you put on
(07:58):
clothes and someone else war? You know? Speaking of my
little blazers, I just found it a a vintage shore in Toronto.
I found a vintage eve sail Laurenso I put it
on and I where you guys, it's blue, it's beautiful,
And I was like, where did this lady go and
what powerful thing did she do in this outfit? And
what of that energy am I going to take to
(08:19):
go do something badass like it makes me feel like
a superhero. Yeah, it's the best, it's taking it. Should
we open a vintage store? Yes? In Wilmington's Are you kidding? Sure? Well,
I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't
want to give Jess james uh competition because she's got that.
I think we need to collaborate is what needs to happen.
The um you would love it, you guys. Nathan at
(08:43):
the top of this episode is bringing some very angry energy.
We're taking power Girl energy into our life. Nathan is
being so shitty to Haley at the beginning of this,
but it's so appropriate because he is a sixteen year
old boy and he's so hurt, and Haley is doing
and saying all the right things. What can I do?
What can I say? Well, and we've talked, we not
(09:07):
just us, but the world is recognizing that for a
very long time, we've pushed boys into a box that
is harmful for them. We tell them they're not allowed
to have feelings. Boys don't cry, Man up, toughen up,
you know, grow a pair. All this nonsense that's so toxic,
not just for the women who have to deal with them,
(09:27):
but for the men who get segmented into thinking that
they're only permissible emotion is anger. Nathan is hurt and
so he's raging, and it's hard and it's heartbreaking to watch.
But I actually think it was done really well in
that we didn't pretend that he had the framework or
(09:48):
the tools to be this evolved person and deal with
his feelings. His feelings come out as anger, and the
people who love him have to keep saying we love you,
we're here for you, to to try to push him
into actually feeling his feelings. And I I thought James
did a really beautiful job with it. I really I
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believed it, and I and I hurt for him watching
the episode, and and when he is finally feeling the
sadness alone at their wedding site, like his mom comes house,
it's just poetic. I think it's it's when you get
a script and you read anger right, it takes a
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good actor to make you pity that the whole time,
and James does a good job of it. A great
point of being sympathetic while also being a total ass
especially came from Yes, and a good actor puts the
emotion under the anger that the anger is the mask for.
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And that's why you go, oh, I see what, I
see what's under there? Will feel for that? Yeah, you
know what? Who else had some real angry moments? And
this was Moira? Oh my goodness. Yeah, I love watching
her because she didn't just get mad and hit jewels
slash Emily. She her whole chest got red, her face,
(11:18):
it was like that that Irish, beautiful porcelain skin just
turned that rash went red all the way up, which
she's down her neck, down her the chest. Yes, but
I was like, God, she's just so real. She's actually
feels that anger. You can't fake that, you can't make
your body react. That's muscle memory. Yeah, And as an
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older actor, I remember being a kid and like watching
like the older folks on our show do stuff and
I'm like, how do they do that? Right? And then
it really is just exercise. It's muscle memory. It's like
how do I make my whole body flush? How do
I make my eyes tear up? How do I make
my nostrils flair? How do I make my chin on bowl?
But there's behavior like you can and that's like the
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behavior can be learned to copy behavior, but to actually
feel it. Where do you goes in those scenes? Where
who do you think she's mad at in real life?
I don't nobody. I think she's literally in the moment,
mad at Jules. I think that's just she's just you
said that once. Joy. I remember like asking you how
you cried because you're so good at it. I remember
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asking you that on our show once and you were
just like, I don't know, Haley sad, so I'm sad.
And I was like, yeah, that's it, Like it's whoa,
I feel like Bill and Ted I was just like,
mind is blown always. I remember all of us figuring
out how to do those things, and same some people
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saying like, oh, yeah, you know I have this trick.
I think about this thing, this loss I experienced her,
you know, I like keep a pair of tweezers in
my pocket and poked my finger, all these tricks and
I was like, however you do to be upset? Like,
I have to be really genuinely upset, and then I
go home and I have to figure out how to
get all this upset out of my body so I
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can sleep. Well, you know, I'm the same way, for
better or worse. But I just recently shot a movie
and um, one of the actors in the movies Super
Experience works all the time and is incredibly well respected,
and he just like had the lady come over and
blow mental in his eyes and that was it. And
(13:30):
and he was just like, it's all the same the audience.
It's movie magic. The audience doesn't know. As long as
I can give them, give them what they want, then
they don't know the difference. I was like, God, that's
just so baller. I love it. And then I don't
go home and torture my family. What I'm saying like,
you're not exhausted, You're not like sending your heart through
all this gut wrenching experience. You just and it was
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real believable. Well, Jewels Jewels slash. Emily certainly got her
ass handed to her in this episode, but we noted
at the beginning of this, you know, Nathan is lamenting
the whole situation with Haley and Jules is like in
her spiral about what's going to happen with Keith, you know,
and like keeping the secret. Jules and Keith start out
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with a lie the same way Haley and Nathan do.
And we're rooting for Haley and Nathan. Are we equally
rooting for Jewels and Keith? Well? I don't know that
we are. But what I think was a great device,
and I thought Chad played the scene really well. Is
they made Chad the one who called Nathan out on it.
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Like Nathan's talking trash about what Juels is doing to Keith,
and Lucas looks at him and basically says, you started
the exact same way, and you love Haley and it
and you saw how it disarmed Nathan and and in
a way I wonder now looking back, if the writers
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did it almost as a device to remind the audience, Wow,
you guys really want to pile on Jewels, but you've
sure been rooting for Nathan and Haley this whole time.
I was kind of like, oh, I feel a little
called out in my defensiveness of Keith. Maybe I should
maybe I should believe Jewels. What do you think? Right? Yeah?
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That didn't occur to me at all, I thought, especially
especially because Lucas was the one who was like, what
are you doing to Haley? And the Nelly of it
all want him over And so in a way, you
you see in that moment why he's gone along with
Dan's plan, why he's moved in with Dan, why he's
done all this because he wants Keith to have a shot. Yeah, yeah,
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I do too, And I see it's like they're really
starting to grow on me. Okay, well maybe if if
she really loves him and he really loves her. Yeah,
the lie is going to have to be uncovered and
dealt with, but that doesn't change their personalities. They didn't
bond on. They didn't let us see enough fun scenes
between Jewels. You know, we've gotten to see a lot
(16:08):
of romance between Nathan and Haley, which is lovely, and
the only time we ever see Jewels is when Dan
is kind of like twirling his mustache. Um And had
we been able to see more of the fun stuff
between them, plus, that would have been great for Craig,
you know what I mean. He's such a great leading
romantic partner, and I wish that we'd gotten to see
(16:30):
him in that, because we've only seen him Pine after
Karen and then go to the total opposite end of
the spectrum and be like in a serious relationship with jewels.
So where's like the flirting? Give me some flirt? Yeah, well,
and remember how good it was like when they were
on the phone and she said, oh, you're calling for
a survey, like we loved that. I sometimes I lament
(16:53):
when TV shows do the thing which they do because
you only have an hour, but they say, oh, well
off screen, this has happened, and now what we're going
to show on screen? But I want to see the
screen stuff. I want to see more of, you know,
their dates and their comedy and and the way they
you know, share I played the food at a restaurant
and all that stuff. I want to see more of
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Maria Manunos in that red silk robe. How gorgeous was
she that? It was like, somebody get me a red
silk robe. That was great make pajama but god, it
was just like she looked so beautiful. All the women looked. Sorry,
it's just kind of a weird segue, but like I
just I had this in my notes that the colors,
(17:34):
the blue silk and I loved Maria. But but Maria
did such a beautiful job with her performance in this
and all the conflicting motions, and you know, you really
didn't know what was going to happen, Like I was
on the show and I did not know whether she
was going to run or shows day. Yeah, I couldn't remember,
(17:56):
and I I liked to that. You felt like maybe
she was able to get past things with Dan when
she was in that you know robe and he showed
up and tried to give her a necklace and she
wouldn't take it. But it's the threat from Karen. And
what a gut punch that is when Dan is trying
to hide that smile and says, you know, way to go, Cupid,
(18:19):
this one's on you. That hurt guys. I her screwed
up by the technicalities because having been married, like how
did Jules get a marriage license with a hero same
Like there's all these little things that I'm like we
could and watching the show all these years later, the
(18:40):
fact that Andy had to leave to go get that
photo and a Manila envelope. Now we would just pull
it up on an iPhone, you know what. All the
problems iPhone solves, So how do we even make TV
would Why wouldn't the p I bring the photo to
Andy and he's clearly paying him a pretty penny to
do this research. He could have driven it to the church.
Why did Andy have to go somewhere? Yeah, that was
(19:02):
really weird. Was it just to get Karen and Andy
outside for that gorgeous pushed upward shot? Like what it was?
I think it was also to create more tension with
the time, like we're like, is he going to make
it back in time to reveal the thing? Yeah? It
was just an excellent layer of So it wasn't just
to get them out of that weird kitchen with the
(19:22):
bowl of carrots. What was with the bowl of carrots?
I don't know, but it's a giant bowl of carrots.
Who did set deck that day? Sophia? You know what
I'm bringing to your wedding, a giant bowl of carrots.
I can't wait. Let's switch over to Whitey. We had
(19:47):
some great Whitey energy in this episode, so nice to
see him back. I love Barry Corbin. I love he's
just so reliable, you know exactly what you're getting get
and I love that he just hands Nathan's ask to him,
the pitty store is closed today. You know, she's your
wife where I come from, that still means something. He's
(20:09):
so salty and he's not interested in Nathan's like, you know, feelings.
He's just like, grow up and figure it out. She's
your wife. It's meaningful and it's it's like it's exactly
the counter energy to to everyone else like panicking over
him that you need coddling. Yeah, he's not one to coddle. I. UM,
(20:32):
I wanted to tell you guys because Barry. I always
just love stories about Barry and we love him so much. UM.
And I did Jordan's Ross, his grandson's podcast. His grandson
is an actor on Three and the Chosen and UM
a few other projects he's coming out. But I just
did his podcast called What's Your Limp? Um. So, Jordan's
is an actor with cerebral palsy and scoliosis and he
(20:57):
walks with a limp, and so the podcast is called
What's your Limp? And he's had this limp since he
was really young. And he was telling me how you know,
the kids at school would make fun of him, as
kids do unfortunately, and Barry used to when when we
were on One Tree Hill and when the show was
really in the height of its popularity and Jordan was
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in that age range, Barry would come to school and
bring him his lunch and and purposely walk it to
him in the cafeteria where everybody could see him. And
then you know, and him as lunch, spent some time
chat with him, and when he would go away, all
the kids were like, your grandpa's Coach white no way,
that's so cool. And he would do it on purpose,
(21:38):
just to continue to you know, support. I just love
Barry so much. That's the kind of person that Barry
Corbyn is. Um. If you didn't know what you know
what you see with Coach Whitey. Really it shines through
when I think about the men that we had as
our mentor protectors as young women. You know, we had
(22:00):
some who weren't, but we had Barry, we had Craig Scheffer,
we had Paul Johansson, my god, with our cast we
won the lottery with those with with me, with those
older men, with that energy and and how lucky we
are that the kind of love that he would you know,
(22:21):
show his grandson in those moments, that's the way they
took care of us on set. God, yeah, just awesome.
So I just had to talk about that. I love
I love Barry Corbyn so much and I loved what
he brought to this episode. He's such a fine theater
actor because he can do that whole rant right where
he's like no no, no no no no, no, no
no no, there's your story and to smile like he's
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he's rehearsed in a way that is so professional and
it just you know, he makes it look easy. And
that's not to understand to not fall into your same,
like Cadence, your same, just like vocal read the things
like that, Like Barry always finds the turn and if
you watch his performances, he's just he's a master at that.
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The smile at the end. Also, I just love the
dig on his way out after the smile, his ideas
faked by the way. It was such a good button
on a scene and and it's it's an incredible thing
when you watch people take pain and turn it into
(23:31):
something that provides the comic relief of a very emotionally
heightened episode. I was like, this is fun. I am
deeply enjoying what I'm seeing right now. Somebody else entry Hill,
who definitely has a fake idea is Brooke Davis, and
she was so fun in this episode. I rich girl things.
(23:52):
I love almost rich girl things. That needs to be
on a T shirt too. Who's keeping track of all
the things we say? And to be Oh my god,
I know it's so funny. I um. I also loved
because I remember, and I've forgotten until it was on
in front of us, but having to run into your
room that morning, Hill and you know you and Greenberg
(24:14):
are in bed, is Peyton and Jake, and um, Jenny's
just said dad, dad, and it's this whole beautiful, you know,
family moment for these young people. And I remember being like, you, guys,
I'm saying so many words before I acknowledge that they're
in bed together. It's ridiculous and it's great. And then
I was like, I had this moment where I went,
(24:35):
maybe it's ridiculously funny, and I remember fun it was
to lean into that and just be so excited to
tell you something that for what felt like two minutes,
I don't even notice there's other people in the room
with us. And it classically made me laugh today and
it was very happy, classic Lucy Classic Lucy Ball. Yes,
(24:58):
but it's the stick. The Brook's gonna leave town because
her daddy's getting a new job. Like, I was just
so fixated on your outfit, in your cute hair and
like you being funny that I was like, wait, what
you're like? Now they're teasing You're going to leave it too? Yeah,
that was sudden. To that was really sudden. I was
totally focused on that scalloped sparkle vintage or whatever dress.
Whoever made that dress, Betsy Johnson, I don't know, but
(25:21):
I want that dress back. You guys, it's not my
color palette like Hillary. To your point, I'm much more androgynous.
I wear a lot of men's suits, but something in
my body viscerally you're to touch that dress again. I
can't explain it. It was closet. Yeah, I just want
(25:44):
to see it in there and be like, that's mine. Yea.
If anybody knows where it is, can you email? We
need professionals like researcher that goes on first DIBs and
real real and finds us the things that we miss.
Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, we need we
need to set sleuth. I Um, it's interesting too because
(26:05):
it brought back I forgot where the episode ended. Seeing
that dress again brought back the conversation that I now
realized happens in episode seventeen, UM between Brooke and Lucas.
That is one of my favorite moments in early seasons,
especially for their storyline, and I was kind of waiting
(26:28):
for it, and then when the episode ended, I was like,
oh my god, it's kind of a two parter. This
is amazing I forgot. But the the sweetness of them
trying to have this budding friendship, um in an episode
where the writers did give me so much like I
love Lucy comedy. God, I'm nostalgic for that. That was
(26:50):
like my favorite part of playing Brooke was when the
comedy was really fun and then the and then we
got to get vulnerable and you know, she doesn't totally
know what to do with it, but she's finding her way.
Something really interesting about Brooke in this episode that I noticed,
which I think has been going on for a while,
(27:11):
but it jumped out at me right now, Um, instead
of Okay, it's just half baked, so find it with me.
Instead of blaming her, like being unhappy on her circumstances,
she lost her money. You know, she's um, there's a
lot of drama with boys. She's just trying. She is
(27:31):
trying to find her way. But instead of pointing fingers
and trying to solve the problem by um, it's pointing
her finger at Felix and being like, it's your fault.
You know we're together, but I don't really love you.
I want to be with this guy. She just kind
of settled, like every it was like everything just kind
of settled down, and she was like, I'm gonna stop
making rash decisions, making uh, having big reactions to things.
(27:55):
I'm going to spend time finding myself and I'm not
gonna blame my happiness or unhappiness on my circumstances. I'm
going to let the circumstances say the same, stay the same.
So that to me, I guess maybe that, to me
is how I justified her not breaking up with Felix
yet when she clearly is still has feelings for Lucas
or might might have feelings for someone else too. It's
(28:15):
more just in the future. I mean, it's just that
she was finding herself instead of constantly pulling on everything,
strings on everything around her, Like what's going to unravel.
You know, how do I fix myself? Yeah, well, it's
it's kind of a precursor till later seasons where she says,
I stopped letting boys define me. She's she's in the
(28:36):
beginning of that going I don't know that I'm happy
he's he's being good to me. I don't know if
that's enough, but it's more about me. I'm she says,
I'm I'm feeling independent. Maybe I don't want a boyfriend.
(28:57):
It's so nice and she's just going to take a
set it before she involves anyone else's feelings and figure
out how she feels and they act from that place.
When she's so joyful in this episode, which is nice
because we've seen we meet Brooke and she's super joyful,
but she's also like playing a part like I'm the
(29:19):
bad girl. And then she goes through her like dark,
manipulative phase at the Nathan Scott party and then we
see sad Brooke whose heart is broken and so to
get happy, independent, hopeful Brooke Davis in this episode feels
great and the gift that we all know that we
(29:39):
all love. We squealed, like that's my gift. When when
they decide they're going to go to the wedding together.
I love that game. It's so iconic that that scene,
and you're so I mean, I remember Paul telling us, uh,
when he was directing to commit, He's like, you have
to commit to things. If you haf acid, you look silly, right,
(30:04):
And you were always so good at committing to that
like over the top excitement. You made it so believable
that it's like, yes, of course, that's how a sixteen
year old girl would react. She would literally squeal, as
we all did when we watched your that's all still
sixteen year old girls deep down? Um, can we talk
(30:25):
about Peyton and Jake if we must guys to really sexy?
Oh my god, that was like the most sex we've
had on the show. I feel like, alright, alright a
h Also, I'm realizing in this moment, Brooke is kind
of the audience Like I I got to say everything
(30:49):
that the audience was saying at home, which is like,
oh my god, you guys are in bed together. What
are you doing? I'm going to leave okay by like
what's happening? And when you guys get to the church
and she's like, you did it. I was speaking for
the entire One Tree Hill fandom in that moment, being
like I could see it on your face. We saw
it in that scene. Okay our eyes, guys, Yeah, I
(31:12):
can't watch it. It's uncomfortable because I okay, I had
a big conflict with this scene because I remember Billy
Dixon is like a beloved crew member of ours, and
it's so much harder to say no to someone who
you like and respect than it is to say it
to a total stranger who's just coming into direct for
(31:34):
ten days. Um. So Billy wanted to do this sex
scene starting on our feet and like our legs rubbing
together and like coming up our bodies, and I just
really felt like that was way too adult. Also, I
had been getting prison mail since I was on MTV,
and there was like a couple of dudes in particular
(31:54):
that were like, I'm going to cut your feet off
and put them in my refrigerator. And so I had
this weird thing couple of a couple of us oh yeah, okay,
very specific letters. And I had a thing about my
feet on TV. I would always try to like hide
my feet because I was just like, I don't want
them to think I'm baiting them, you know, and we're kids,
(32:18):
and you know, like anyway, So I remember being like, please, please,
please don't start on this shot and they're like, we're
not going to and I'm like, please don't. They're like,
we just have to shoot it, but it's gonna be
blurred and you guys are like in the blankets and
it'll be fuzzy. And when that thing aired on TV
and it starts on our feet and our legs like
Grasshopper in together, I'm just like, what the heck is
(32:41):
this so so frustrating. It's listen now we get to
watch playback. Back then, it was like on film and
you just had to trust what was going on at
the monitor was what you asked. That's why we didn't
trust anybody. For God's sake, damn it. Of course that
said that was the longest sex scene in the history
of my career. It was it was hot, it was
(33:03):
also I don't know, it was like it was really
beautiful because you you'd spent all this tender time with
these two and they'd spent so much time in bed together,
you know, taking it slow and having emotional conversations that
the payoff. We were all just like, oh my god,
it's like the fireworks finally went off. Yeah, yeah, I
(33:26):
loved it. You guys have such great We'll say it
again and again, and I was just so happy to
see it was It was really sweet. It was really sweet.
And what did like a freaking bum out to like,
finally do the damn thing, go to a super romantic wedding,
have that go to shop and be like, well, let's
go home, and then we're happy. And then Nikki's on
(33:47):
the doorstep, like how much that can happen in one
day in tree Hill? And by the way Nikki gets
revealed by the baby mama, I was like, oh this
a deep cut. That that is a wound. Just oh yeah,
the baaby Jenny when they when they get her out
of the car, they're talking and the baby goes mama
(34:10):
and then it cuts and you see Nikki in the shadow.
Maybe it glitched I miss that, But another technical error
because the way Greenberg is holding that baby, no one,
no parent has ever held a baby like forward facing
like that to get out of the car. And it's
just another one of those blocking devices where it's like
we need the baby to be able to see Nikki
(34:31):
and say mama. That's so annoying. Though he totally could
have had her over the shoulder and then just turned
his head around, but then we couldn't have seen him,
you know, like it was bad blocking. But babies don't
say mama until they're like seventeen years old. Dad. Dad
is always the first word. It's so frustrating because you're
the one like breastfeeding and you can see it by
(34:53):
the way baby Jenny is laughing and then the sound
is mama and they're like her, didn't make that shape.
But but I understand that you can't control babies on camera,
like you can't control any small living creature on camera.
And it's I guess we're just going to drop in
the sound trauma. It was trauma. I love the trauma
(35:16):
with deb you know, we we've talked about like in
future or in previous episodes. We've been like, when does
Bell Dead become an addict? Like when it's Keith Sweat
where it starts, and Chad did such a good Yeah,
Chad did a really good job in that scene because
we were all like, how audacious for a teenage boy
(35:38):
to confront an adult about an addiction issue? Okay, but
also Sophia, I loved your comment about Lucas in the
hallway creepy. You know, you guys, this is this is
a moment where I wish we could talk to Billy
Digs in there. We're blocking again, you got is okay,
(36:00):
So what we're referencing is when when Barbara as Dab
is in the kitchen and she takes the bottle of
painkillers out of like a you know, a kitchen cupboard
and takes one the cabinets. Well, yes, but you know why.
I don't know, but you know, it moves from her
(36:21):
around her face, and you see Lucas peering around the
kitchen cabinets like he's in some c I a break in,
leaning on. He's leaning against but but they made him
lean and then they literally had him just like pulled
backwards along the cabinets till he disappeared like Homer Simpson
disappearing into the bushes like on The Simpsons. And we
(36:41):
were all like, is that sometimes directors tell you to
do something that to Hillary's point, when you see on camera,
you just go, god, damn it. I shouldn't have listened.
I shouldn't back Oh god, yeah, that whole thing could
have had better, tunny technicalities of all of it were
so strange, but no, yes, you're right like it. It was.
(37:04):
It was a very ballsy move for Lucas to go
called about on it. She handled it well, she did.
I actually thought they were both so good in that
scene because you could see his discomfort as a young
person saying this, trying to relate it to his own
experience that felt a little scary, and her just to
(37:25):
be like, oh, just what I need an adolescent boy,
and her rage and the way she put him in
his place, telling him, you know, you're a guest in
my house. All of this it you saw it fall
when she closed the door. Barbara immediately played the shame
and the fear about what she was doing. And I
just thought it was beautiful. Yeah, I mean it's both
(37:50):
of them said all the right things, you know. He
said what you're supposed to say when you see someone
who you think might be in peril, and she also
said all the things that you say when a child
comes at you and you are a grown ass woman
trying to deal with your Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I
like scenes where both characters are in the right I
(38:11):
do too, And it and it interestingly, I think allowed
us to see, you see who's in the right. Even
with Karen and Jules, they are both in the right.
So many people are both in the right. And it
allows Dan in this episode to feel even more evil
when Jules isn't coming down the aisle and Dan Scott
(38:32):
is the only person not facing the back of the church,
He's watching Keith so happy, and then that end scene
where he knocks him off the wedding cake and he
and he sets his sights on deb it. It fueled
this darkness that was so so creepy. It was creepy. Well,
(39:03):
I would like to hear straight from the horse's mouth
about the relationship between Keith and Dan and Paul and Greg,
and so if any of you are interested in that,
we certainly have a super super special guest today, my
former early twenties crush and honestly still are crush, super
(39:29):
baby doll. I love the super babe ladies and gentlemen.
Mr Craig Jeffer, Oh my god, god, you look fantastic.
Oh my gosh, Hi, oh man better now we miss you.
(39:52):
Look at this? What is this? What are you wearing?
I love this jacket? What is this red jacket one
of my things that I designed. Okay, I'll let okay,
So if we have so many places to start, I
don't even know where to start. Craig right, Hillary buttons.
It is one of my prize possessions. I'm gonna go
disappear right now and come back with my fur. I'm
(40:13):
going to be right back discuss. Craig is like the
most romantic man on the planet. I'll be right back.
She was just before you got on. She was like,
I've got to go up to the attic and get
this gift that Craig got me. It's the best ever.
Oh that is so cute. Oh my goodness. You're in
Los Angeles. I'm in l A right now. Yeah, okay,
(40:35):
so if you where are you again? So I'm based
in l A. But my my show that I'm doing
right now is shooting in Toronto. So yeah, yeah, thank you.
And so I'm here for another I don't know, ten
days and then I'll be home. Oh my god, please
come over. Can we all just get together. Are you
living in l A or you kind of back and
(40:56):
forth between l A and someplace else where in Pennsylvania
From most of the last decade with my my family,
my mom and my brother passed away. I think I
saw you before that. But yeah, so I moved back
here and I got back a week before the pandemic,
which was really exciting. Whoa, And so things are just
kind of, you know, starting life back in l A again,
(41:19):
everything starting back up again slowly. It feels like during
the pandemic everybody got a hobby. Everybody started making bread
and likes. But you talking about this amazing jacket that
you made. You've been doing this forever. So before we
get into Keith Scott, we got to talk about Craig
Cheffer being a true jack of all trades and a
(41:41):
renaissance man. Renaissance man. Where where did making clothes that
looked like they walked off a runway? Where does this
come from? You know, it really started with traveling when
I was when I was young, and uh, you know,
like twenties and thirties, I would do a job and
I would you know, take that money and just go
(42:02):
somewhere and travel. I think the first one was India. Yeah,
I went to India. I was in India for a
long time, for almost six months. And when I was
there was still like a cowboy town. I mean, it's
all it's all kind of changed. And I was like
dirt streets. Uh. The town that I was staying was
(42:23):
called my Sore and at that time it was just
like like a total couch town. But anyway, they had
all these you know shops with all these crazy materials,
you know, and I just started going in and I
was like, what do you what cost? Make me a
shut done a fifty? You know, like, let's do it, baby.
And I made like a hundred pieces of clothing and
(42:45):
brought them all back. And then I I went to
South America and I was in Peru and they had
all kinds of cool out pack of stuff and I started.
I brought a bunch of blankets and made capes and
then I would make stuff for friends and my daughter.
And you know, that's just one of my hobbies. Did
you learn? How do you sew? Also, you're you're doing
this by hand or your order? You design? I am not.
(43:07):
I am not tackle, all right. I like to draw.
That's about the only thing I can do like that. Yeah,
I'm not good at that, believe it or not. I
take it to this wonderful lady who it works in
a laundromat. You know, she Hem's clothes and all stuff.
But of course she was trained way way back and
you know, to make dresses and clothes and all that stuff.
(43:28):
So yeah, I just I had my own buttons pressed off,
these little crosses on them, and they're so cool. Like
I want to steal that jacket if you send me,
If you send me like a shirt or your size,
I'll make you, guys all something Native American Western stuff.
That's what I like. Hillary, You've got your thing. But
(43:52):
Craig Schaffer, let it be known, you gave me my
first fur coat ever. I felt so entirely grown up.
I have moved eight thousand times in the last twenty years,
and this coat comes with me everywhere. And for those
of you at home who can't see this, Hilary is
sporting a below the hip jacket with a nice tilted
(44:18):
collar and buttons that are made out of brass. It's Craig.
These are the Craigs pressed buttons that he made. It's something.
It's not real silver, obviously, you know. It was the
loveliest gift ever. And you brought it after um we
threw a birthday party for your daughter, Like, how is
(44:39):
Willow Willows great. Yeah, we see each other all the time.
She actually is living up in a Girl Hills. You remember,
I lived at mountin the Lake for your house. Was
so awesome. She's up around there right now, and yeah,
she's awesome. Men. You know, we have an amazing relationship
(45:00):
and it's just it's the best thing, you know, as
you know, as you guys know. Now, well, it's so weird, Craig,
because you were like the dad on set. You and
Moira had kids, you know, and then like Barbara started
bringing her girls around, and it was it was wild
because we looked at you guys as peers, but then
you had like children, you know, and so we didn't
(45:22):
know who to play with. You were the kids. It
was also so fun, you guys so nice to little
She'd come in the trailer and you were getting your
makeup on, and she was so cool. She was the
coolest kid. It was also so cool for us because,
(45:42):
you know, to Hillary's point, like you guys felt like peers,
but like the cool older siblings we'd all always wanted,
but then you had these kids, who you know, Willow
was this cool young woman. She was so creative and
she wanted to hang out with us, and we looked
up to us. Oh yeah, we felt like the Babysitters Club.
We were like, it's happened, we are we are mentors.
(46:06):
I don't know. I think all of you guys were
there that night. One time. It took her down to
somebody's apartment and you guys had a sheet up and
played a movie with her while I went down at dinner.
I remember taking her to the mall. Who went to
the mall with her and me? It wasn't Maybe we
(46:26):
did because we all go. I don't know, there's nothing
like strolling around the mall. Um, yes, please tell her
for nothing. I think a huge part of why we
why we took our roles as mentors in the show,
because you know, we talked a lot on this show
about how often we would fight for certain storylines or
you know, fight for representing young women. And having Willow
(46:50):
and Barbara's girls around, it was something that really affected
us to hold us up to that standard of the
responsibility that we felt. You know, I was so glad
that those girls were around. Yeah, they were so lucky.
That's inspiring, man. I got to leave something for the
people coming. Yeah, you know, you said something that I wonder.
I wonder how the fans at home are taking it.
(47:13):
You know, Oh, you guys used to watch my daughter
when I go to dinner with Paul, Like, yeah, is it?
Is it crazy? Uh? For fans? Have you experienced that?
It's wild for them to know that? You know, in
real life, Craig and Paul adored each other, whereas on
screen Dan and Keith or like the clashing of the
rams all the time. I know, it is really funny,
(47:35):
isn't it. Yeah, you can't quite a picture that, you know.
He shot me and then we went out to dinner.
You guys had worked together before. You did a movie
in Actually, actually I saw it for the first time.
Somebody made me see it. First of all, I didn't
(47:56):
even know it was on TV anywhere. But in no
way is called oh my god, Berserker. Berserker. Yeah. It
was this really bad B movie we made in South Africa,
like in nine or something like that, and we played
(48:17):
these brothers and they had some like forty pounds of
you know, you played brothers in that too, You played
brothers and that only was the evil God. Had you
worked with any of our other castmates before? On One
(48:38):
Tree Hill let's see m Berry or Moira. No, I
don't think so. What was so listen some of the
people actually Shirley, right, yeah, Gary and I did a
very uh at the time Darren movie. It was were
(48:59):
naked for like a third of the movie. It's about
tantric sense. Okay, wow, it's very progressive for the time,
a tarent stamp. Shirley and I uh were in that movie.
It was actually, I think a pretty good movie. Yeah,
we're gonna watch it now. Craig, you for tonight have
to what are you talking about? You got it? I
(49:24):
think one of our burning questions and Joy, I'm gonna
ask it for you, Craig, did you know that Joy
was in love with you? When we all live in
Long Come back next week from part two to find out. Hey,
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