Episode 244 w/ I Am Athlete Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black Effect
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boy in the R. He's a Miami hippopper. Up is
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Drink up Mother? Would it good? Be? Hopefully the super

(00:51):
This is your boy in R? What up is d
J e f And this is Drink Champs. You have
to make up? And these brothers that we have standing
in front of us, is I would like to say
the blueprint that me and e f N wanted to
uh live out, meaning we wanted our culture to speak

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for our culture and people that played the game, people
that was in the locker rooms, people that was you know,
this is a real DJ, Like people don't know that
he's a vn neal DJ, you know what I mean,
Like a lot of people don't know that, and we
wanted so when I look at these these four brothers,
even though three of them showed up and I looked

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and when I look at the at the chemistry and
you know, the different worlds these brothers come from. They
sit down and I got to see the Rick Ross clips.
I got to see, uh, and I've seen them social distance.
I see them with they got people making a food man. Yeah,

(01:54):
I don't know the one athletes show us in the
field off top off top. What made you four brothers
say you know what? Because you could have actually did
a show by yourself. You could have did a show
by yourself. You could have did the show and you know,
he could have did the show by yourself. But what
made y'all say you know what? Because that is like

(02:16):
humbling you know what I'm saying? Um that that your brothers.
What made y'all say that you're gonna do that together? Yeah?
So you call it what quarantine dreams and I'll pitch
you to the quick. But uh, we all live in
the same neighborhood. And when when you know, back in
March and everything was locked down, I mean we walking
around each other in the neighborhood. He might be on

(02:38):
his bike or riding by. What's up and I'm looking
at this situation like man, like I got legends in
my neighborhood and this is just a couple of us.
We're talking about everybody living in our neighborhood, and like,
this is an opportunity for us to start a podcast,
started show and see what we can do. So it
really was what France say, quarantine dreams or it's like
we're sitting here, we ain't doing that, and we all

(03:00):
saying neighborhood. If we are biden by CDC guy lines
we quarantine, let's see, let's give it a shot. Ye
Be pulled up to the crib one night. It was
it was all social distancing. You even did an episode
where you'all was like, yea, that was at the beginning.
They are always gonna paint a picture at you if
you're sucking up. So he was trying to get that right.

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But Be pulled up to the crib on his golf cart.
You still got that cart brout there. This neighborhood sounds rich.
He's like, yo, bro, what do you think about the podcast?
I'm like, if you don't them down, what's up? Whatever?
He saying, who do you think we should use? I said,

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ship Reggie right here, Reggie Wayne right across the street
from He was like, he said, I'm gonna bringing in
Channing and let's do it. Let's meet in a week
or two. Let me button it up real quick. Next thing,
you know, we had the facility, House of Athletes, the
old building, and then and ship we just started taping
and the rest is history because because because you know

(04:04):
what it is. Um, I remember me growing up right
and me actually thinking g rap Big Daddy, Kane and
Rock Kim all hangs out again, right, and then it's
the same thing with sports, like you would kick, like
you know, when you guys are on the same team,
most of the guys get along with each other. But
then when you dig deep, well it's like everyone is human.

(04:25):
So so, um, is that something that you guys for
friends prior to this or like it's dudes like you
just like you said, all rappers don't really vibe. So
do we jump around teams seeing the team and you're
getting on a team with you know, sixty dude with
a practice and all that ship and all the nig
don't vibe. Like you know, I'm saying, people don't. People

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just don't get alone. I'm sorry, is that just shot
to kill it though? Because that looks like a regular dream.
I gonna lie right now. I'm gonna because I hold
I got to sleep, I got to sleep. I gotta

(05:08):
let you do. I gotta let you finish. But hold on,
let me just say, let me just say something. So
you said you're simple to kill a bird like that
and you trace it with the bear. Yeah, that's good.
That's a good man. That's a good minute. You know
how to drink, man, let's drinking over there smoking. But damn,

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I gotta let um because your shott do shots when
you even forever, you do shots if you're drinking to
kill you. Okay, cool, we're gonna look Michael Jordan live.
You know we got the other black on to killer,
got the pup daddy killer? Ever you guys quick, what

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happened to the bell and ship man? The bell is
supposed to have coming for you? Okay, I'm sorry. I
was gonna say, like, dude, ready on five like that
people thinking team like it's a high school team. Many
ain't like that, bro, People go their separate ways. Dude,
be forty on the forty year old. Y'all all got
the same ship like running the streets and one dude
got seven kids. So as soon as B Marsh came

(06:14):
on the team, me and B Marsh bonded back from
Miami two thousand and eleven. Yeah, as soon as I
because Fred before me at Florida. But you always got
that gate of love with both of the U L
soon as me and Fred first time we saw each
other went up and game that gate of love, and
I just that was dude, grass up on you got
me one time you come out in the preseason because

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you told me I shouldn't be hitting that hard in
the preseason. Your back. But that long story short o
O g no o g real no real. So as
soon as you walk in that locker room when you
come from another team, you walk in and look how
to do move? You know that's to do that fool
with you know, that's a great that's a great. You

(07:00):
just gave me a great question because you know, being
an athlete is different meeting like like I could get
dropped from a record label or I could they could
let me go, but then I might have a choice
of where to go. Like with y'all, y'all thing, like
you could just wake up and being Minnesota tomorrow or
and then what happens if Okay, let me ask me

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to me ask a better question, because I got you
ever had a beat for the team and then wind
up being on that guy is Brandy to answer this question?
Because that motherucker's on four h nineties seventeen the Jets.
The Jett happen. I was mad. Yeah, well, so you know,

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you're right. There's a lot of guys like man I
found out, you know, I was traded on Twitter or Instagram.
That happened every single day for me. People knew that,
you know, they had to check with me first, because
like I was just a little different, like I wish
back then, you know, I understood the magnitude who do
you mean exactly? Owners, general managers, because for me, football

(08:12):
was personal where I came for. I come from Pittsburgh
and it's the poorest county in Pennsylvania, so that was
my way out. So I never understood the business side
of it. It was like if something happened on the
football field, in the locker room, it was like war,
Like you're taking food off my my you know what
I mean, from my table. So I didn't handle things
in the professional matter or a diplomatic way, so teams knew.

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So there would be teams I want to call and
trade for me, and I would tell them, like even
even the team was trying to trade me, I would
tell him like, here's the three teams I'm going to.
Cleveland Browns, for example, called and they wanted to offer
me five million dollars pass what market was, and I said,
I will retire before I come play for the Cleveland Browns,
you know what I mean? So like no, So it's

(09:00):
both into the spectrum where you got guys who find
out that they was traded and they're going to another
team on Instagram and Twitter, and then you got some
guys who dictate. Right. So when I went to the Jets,
that was intentional. I wanted to go to the Jet
that mixed much for you know, it was my life
belong Jet fan. You know. I remember your point. The

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other day, I spoke to one of my father's friends
and I was like, yo, man, my father made me
a Jet fan. Like he was like, your father was
never a Jet fan. That was the cheaper jersey. I
kind of think about my father's jee game. He just
like Giants right there, Jianets hold team so he just

(09:42):
went with the Jeticehi his chief gonna speak to him
when he go to hell when you sing the Jets,
because when you said Jets, like oh yeah, you know,
you gave us whole I was like, you know, I
was asking it from New York, like why you choose
the Jets, why you choose the Giant? So that's it was.
It was. It was actually something subconscious. My father was
giving me Jet jersey, so I just wanted my and
to the other day that look, let me ask was

(10:06):
there Davis? Was there? Yeah, Well, let me ask you
about some current like the current events. You're keeping up
with the Jets now? No, because we've been doing Harbor
so long. I just don't expect us to do Are
we doing good as you're like? I wanted to still Hell, No,
because I wanted to get to, you know, ask you
about you know, they're supposed to get the number one

(10:27):
overall pick, but they want they went to the two games, correct,
So as a Jets fans and the players, we want
to win every single game. But then the Jets fans
they're looking at it like, lose every single game so
we can get Trevor Lawrence and that number one overall
and you can back with the jets and adults. Right,

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I'm real quickly. I just want to get back your question.
What you asked Be the rap that your industry, our industry,
the presents and our industry. When when you're cutting up
like what Be says like he was cutting up bad
for a minute, do you mean getting traded? Teams don't

(11:08):
want to deal with that ship. They called you a virus.
A lot of labels they want that heat, you know
what I'm saying. They want these guys that's gonna bring
that attention, that's gonna sell. But it's different. Oh that's
a good point. It's real different. You have a podcast, yo,

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that's deep interesting. But it's interesting what you just said,
because like I could never understand that when I was
in the league, where it was like the things that
we do as athletes they cut us for. And then rappers, entertainers.
You smoke weed, right, you drink, you get shot. Anything
that don't matter the situation, any drama, anything that controversy,

(11:56):
you get deals. So the same thing that like it
was one time I saw dude, there was two there
was one guy in the league he got cut for
particular for this particular situation, all right, and that's all.
The rapper go through the same thing, and he had
a Wrigley's commercial. I was like, how was that possible?
Because they're dealing with different demographics. Bro rappers rappers every Sunday.

(12:19):
They got white kids watching, y'all white kids watching, But
I would getting to watch thet y'all held to a
different stand I want this conversation by the white white
kids five year old white yea, your white man ain't
listening to y'all goddamn music. I don't think he is. Demographics.
To answer your question, that demographic change. Every every industry

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has to worry about the demographic that they're trying to appeal.
But it could be deeper than that, because in music,
if something happens to the artist, the music keeps selling them.
Something happens. But let me say, I've been all over
the world, and American television is not universal. Football is
like everyone like I be in duty to go off

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Germany and they'll be watching football, like you know what
I'm saying. And so I think I think although y'all
have the you have the point, but I think you
helped to a better higher standards because one. We have
a printed advisor we stick up on our thing, and
there's no prontive advisor brands though, But like, how can
you be a brand spending money the same brands and

(13:23):
spending money on an athlete and an entertainer. Athlete goes
through something, you drop that athlete. Entertainer goes through that
goes through something, you give them the bad you know
what I'm say. I just don't understand because he used
to get arrested every week and they made him iron man.
Let's make some noise around the same breath. We dominate

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both industries. You know, the majority is players in the NFL,
majority or African American? How many in hip hop and rab?
You know, you guys, y'all know what it is. Majority
of the rap push the guys that are making the
money for the big labels. You know what I'm saying
that African American? When are we gonna understand that we

(14:09):
control these spaces, you know what I'm saying, So we
can come back to the table and get together and
figure that ship out so we can monetize and be
in a position where we're bringing other guys in so
they can eat. You know, I mean, now it's different
than the especially in your space back in the day.
It's different where these guys out here everybody talking about

(14:31):
owning their masters and all this ship, and they can
bring other guys in and eat and teach them the ropes.
It's tougher in football. But you guys, y'all, you know
y'all the ogs. You gotta tell these guys, this is
how you're supposed to do it, Like we try to
tell the guys on our show, this is how you're
supposed to do it, and conduct yourself so you can
maximize your time because our window is like this. The

(14:52):
average lifespanning the NFL is three and a half years
before but you got motherfucker's like greater to play twenty years.
Then you got guys that's playing one to three years.
It come back down to probably about three and a half,
so it's still small. Yeah, we we got in thirteen.
Channing got in like six, but he was doing some

(15:16):
other ship because he was drinking beer all days. Don't
want to get massage. It was in the hotel lobby.
You fly, you fly to another city. You ain't never
been to to play a game San Diego. Charge you're
gonna play them. Ain't no way I'm staying in the house.
I ain't never seen the girls that same day ago,

(15:37):
I gotta get out of you. You're golf used to be,
you know, you used to be. So this is why
I had it. I struggled in Miami. I was there
for two years, and this is what I knew. It
was over as soon as I came down here. Every Friday.

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This boy had the whole defense and what was the place?
And cococo every one time to time. One time I
had a good time, but I walked away. I said,
we will never win the chicken. You say something too

(16:20):
much sports, But in Denver it is a different dynamic,
right as far as northern right, So you you can
you played seven years or you played a couple of
years in Denver then you came in. Miamis a totally different.
But my mentality was always you know, like so with Fred, Yeah, yeah,

(16:41):
I was a knucklehead, and really it was I didn't
understand the business, right, so everything was personal. I didn't
understand the magnitude of it, and so you know, yeah,
I had to learn the hard way. But one thing
I always did was I handled my business. So even
when I came to Miami. I probably can count on
one hand how many times I want to live still
to this day. Like I wasn't in Lift because I

(17:03):
knew I wasn't trying to pay the price, you know,
the next morning, waking up at six am, seven am
and being home over now, like I wanted the bag
and that was my focus. Really, man, your question to
win with being independent? How you were just talking about
Rapids being independent. How do you feel about the rock
stepping out and doing the SFL because he'd be able
to recruit a whole bunch of players to do that

(17:24):
independent league. I don't think it's gonna work. I think
I think you're waiting this what you said, I'm looking
at it. I didn't stand answer. I don't like that
gonna work. It's since if you could play in the NFL,

(17:44):
you can play the NFL. He only bought it for
like two million, right, Yeah, but I don't really know
my face but talking about that, but you used to
say in the NFL, like you said you can be
in that. Negga said the word I don't know, losing
door Germany and want and yeah, that's where Kobe Bryant

(18:06):
get the Reginda con shots are going, yeah, you got
you see, you're gonna be like because I had an
appointment at Cocody, this big girl, and you think it's

(18:27):
gonna work that there's when you when you look at
tears and stuff, that's tears of athletes and that's what.
So if you if you're going to another play in
the NFL, you're gonna play NFL. So it's gonna be
twenty two guys on the field that are the best
in the world. If he calls you, what's that his
league is playing like the back that's to the point.
It's the next level perfect. So but you were you're

(18:51):
watching the best in the world. And you know, if
if anybody in the XFL can play in the NFL,
they want to go get that money. So it's gonna
be the second tier of players when the first effects
XFL the quality of play, it wasn't NFL. And we've
been so stuck in the NFL that you can't get
the NFL in any other league. I think that I
think that big, thick, motherfucking some mooning wasted all. He's

(19:12):
goddamn money. But that's his only play right there though,
That's why they don't start in the last season. They
don't look at the NFL. You know that's a one
then Canadian league right under the NFL. That's what they're
going to look at. That's that's that's B squad and

(19:34):
you got XFL. That's like C and D. But these
guys looking for an opportunity to try to work out.
They just want to get filmed, so they just try
to get the Canada or get back. Couldn't be positive.
It's the development, it's a development. The Rock he whatever

(19:56):
he put in it, there's a he has a potential
to get that money back because she's doing business. You know,
rock a couple hundred millions. He ain't doing that god off.
So he can take that fifteen ten million dollars play
if it hit. But the sponsorships, sponsorships, his relationships, he
could try to get that back. So he got some time. Man,

(20:16):
I don't think it's no it's gonna fail, Fred, but
I'm gonna see how go freak to that point. Everybody
y'all like basketball like BASKETBALLA all of them watching basketball?
How many league basketball games? If y'all watching the last

(20:39):
I'll say five years league? The little more funers are
playing the something in the legym. How many I wanted
to right not leave. But some of the league that's
like the league, like Fred said, there's NFL, there's Canadian
and then there's xfil So the NFL is gonna be

(21:01):
under the NFL leader. You ain't for your opportunity, like
Buddy went to the Lakers, Uh Andre Ingram, they brought
him up and the ship up. But that's the between
the NFL where you got a lot of guys like
you're dealing with men in the NFL, you know what
I mean, Like it's serious business there. So you've got

(21:23):
a lot of college kids that can ball, but they
need time to develop. So when you leave college, if
you don't make it to the NFL, where do you go.
So the XFL is important because it's a develop mental
league in the in the NFL actually wants that they
want the XFL. They know they can't compete, they know
they didn't can't compete with them, but they need the

(21:45):
Rock to be successful and also understand his place because
that's a place where the guys is just not ready.
They can go play a couple of years, get some films,
get to the next level. Speaking of the lot of light.
Somebody's want to watch that ship. Speaking of the rock

(22:08):
this this this show on on HBO Ballers. It's really
based on athletes and football players. How real is that? Non?
Tell me, I don't know what you're go first, No, No,
the show got canceled them, but yeah, I got cancer
after the last season. Was about to come back a

(22:28):
couple of months ago, about four or five one. It's official.
I think they probably started getting a little too close
to what the real ship is and the big boy. Look,
NFL is a multi multi billion dollar business, so if
you get too close to what they're doing, they're the mob.

(22:49):
They're not sucking around. So if anything, that's probably what happened.
But and that's the country what you means. So you
said in the NFL probably went to HBO. We can't
heard that. Probably so that's when hard Knock came. A
lot of that is true, bro, Like that shootout ship,
Like a lot of all they're doing is taking stories.
It's glorified, it's magnified, but it's true. And and the

(23:14):
possibilities there. Look, the NFL, you've seen everything you see
niggas do. Ship that you're like this nigga played ball
Why are you doing this? This nigga got his wife
at good point or he got you know, he anything
might be going on. It's true, it's bad, and they
just read enacting stuff that they've seen on the NFL.

(23:37):
So a lot of it is true, but that but
there's such a small window like it's true, but it's
just true. But it's fifty three seventeen in NFL team
the sixteen hundred active you right here, So what is

(23:58):
the seventeen sixteen seventeen hunting the film bro that shows
about a hundred dudes. And that's that's why I get upset.
I can't watch I can't watch Ballers. It ain't a
big picture. So if you take if you take anybody's industry, rappers,
DJs and all that, and you want to make a
show about eight percent of them, I can't funk with
you because it's ninety two dudes trying to do the

(24:19):
right it's not representative. I think Ballers was eight percent
of the NFL pass and it's since nineteen seventy when
NFL and af L merged that they're not showing And
that's what I'm saying. They show the Ballers shows, the
worst ship about the NFL, because that's what motherfucker's want
to see and that's how they can monetize it and

(24:40):
make money. That's what ballers. But that goes back to
what I said a second ago about your industry, your wrap.
You know what I'm saying, like these exactly these labels.
They want to sell that ship because they know it's
gonna sell. They're not finished sell. They put your records
talking about one to three A b c s selling

(25:00):
that ship. They want to sell your hardest ships. They
want to sell it because they know you want to
run with it. Niggers that can relate to you, how
about you? They know what they're going to Ballers. I
think it was with Channon said, I mean he I
mean that was they got to working out in the
beginning of the ship right. No, no, I'm not on,
but you know I felt some type of I felt
like the rock because he literally sharing the backyard. I

(25:23):
felt like her. But I felt like he should have
invited me on the show. I never got the invite,
and he was a higher help. I didn't think he
was executive. You know, he the real deal. That was
his show about any given something that that's one of

(25:48):
my favorite football shows. The programs, and then there's any
given selling that's the best. The program, The Program, The Program,
James and the Program. The pro Ram is the most
accurate off the field football film I've ever watched in
my collegiate collegiate but it's called The Program. It's everything

(26:11):
you got you dudes on steroids. Young dude trying to
make it, young dude girl trying to funk up his
career is everything. Yeah, Dad at home telling me you
you have to do it for the family. The Program
is the most aggrate football family. Just like game, but
it's football. You know what I'm saying, y'all forgetting about

(26:31):
remember the Italians. The ship we're going through now Sunday, right,
and get something this white versus black you know what
I'm saying. And that's strong where football is kind of
and then the bridge, you know what I'm saying between
the white players and the black players, because at the
end of the day of sports is nothing else. It's
the one X factor that they're gonna bring, you know,

(26:53):
Whites with you know, their their beliefs and Blacks with
their beliefs. It's gonna bring them together. And when you're
in the locker room that that racism and that bullshit.
I haven't don't really something about it. So remember, the
Titans is definitely in the top three, and I wouldn't
say it don't exist. It's like you're saying, like, yeah,
you're right, because because they didn't do like, you know,

(27:14):
dude got some guess they got some points. Now in
the quarterback you're working with in the Chicago you know
what his name? How is that Chicago? Like? How was that? Like?

(27:36):
So uh, because you Pittsburgh's cold. Pittsburgh to Chicago was good.
I didn't care about the weather. I don't really care
about that. But like you know, Jay and I we
was brothers, drafted two thousand six to the Dimmer Broncos together.
He was first round, I was fourth round. So we
was connected at the hips, and you know, we had

(27:57):
amazing start to our career. Uh, we went our separate ways.
Then we put the band back together in Chicago and
it just didn't work out. So it's years. I'm trying

(28:18):
to figure out. I'm trying to figure out where he where.
I'm trying to figure out trying to go generic because um,
why y'all fell out? Yeah, why because at one point
you did uh and if it was Stephen A. Smith,
Steve steps trying to get you to throw him under
the bus. Yeah, yeah, yeah you didn't. You held him down,

(28:40):
and then it was like something happened after that, and
I just don't know what. I guess that's that would
be the better question, because I remember you hold him
down on and Stephen it was like I remember this
very very, very vividly because stephen A was trying to
get you to black. Come on, I get I get
an example, right, like going back to Denver when when
I was when you know, I was young and dumb. Uh,

(29:02):
never gambled in my life, didn't know nothing, got you know,
a couple of dollars, went to Vegas for the first time,
lost my mind. You know. The first time I went
out there, one hundred went out there, the second time
lost like three grand. Went out there again, lost a
hundred something thousand. But this is a time where you know,
I ain't had no money. I was making four in

(29:24):
a year and then I lost more. I lost all
my money. I'm in the wind hotel. I called j Cutler.
I said, bro, I need sixty K to pay to
win Moneys in my account the next day, right, So
like that's where our relationship was. And then we get
to a point in Denver where I mean it's all
football stuff. It's like, let's go win the championship. So

(29:45):
that you know, the Jay Cutler and and you know,
the whole story around him is like is he a leader?
You know, is he the guy? He has all the
talent in the world. So when as we matured and
we got away from all that little boys stuff, let's
go win the championship. They gave us the were the
leaders now, and he just wasn't on that, and we
just went to we went to a place where we
didn't talk. Fast forward to to to this year. Jay.

(30:07):
You know, he went through a few personal things. I
don't want to go and dive deep into his business.
I'm laying a bit with my wife. My wife like, baby,
just hit him up, like just check on him because
it's my brother. It's like, just check on him, man.
I hit him up for like three in the morning.
Here on my mind, were hit We're going back and forth,
back and forth. Right, He's like, Yeah, we're gonna meet up.
We're gonna do this school, do that. I go to
Tennessee for a little break. Uh, he right around the corner.

(30:30):
I hit him up, him calling me him answer the call.
It's like the same old j Cutler. So you know, yeah,
Jay is one of those guys. Man. It's like if
you're in his circle, you're good. He loves you. If not,
it's like it's a whole another conversation. So yeah, like
how how is it? Because like, um, like the quarterback
for for like lack of a better term, it's like

(30:52):
the leader. Correct, he's supposed to be so all right,
So if you're on a deep defensive side, do you
is are they in the same like you know frequency
like as a as a defensive player talking to the
quarterback or that's that's not the way this happened. And
if if you don't really talk to him, the good
quarterbacks have come during practice and say like, hey, why

(31:14):
did you drop back in his own and you know,
bulls your excello stuff. But the quarterback defense, I'll tell
you Chad Pennington. I played with Chad Pennington. Chad Penning
was with the Jets. You don't know, you don't really
follow your daddy, but continue and that that was the
best quarterback play with But he would come to me
after that, after practice and be like, hey, in this

(31:37):
cup of three, why did you drop back in there?
Because I couldn't hit the end route and all that,
And I'd be like, because the back didn't flare that way,
so I had nothing to do. And I don't know
if he needed me to tell him that, but he
would just try to embrace the team. And I think
great quarterbacks make an effort to embrace the team. You
hit it on the head, and you, I don't know
if you knew you hit it on the head. But
a good quarterback understands what he is for the team.

(31:59):
And that's why he always wanted defense. The players food
with the quarterback. It's because that quarterback wanted. Have you
ever been on a team where the defensive the offensive?
Or in practice practice sometimes you know what if the
defense strong, but during the games, you know, I've seen

(32:22):
situations where my boys, I don't out with the defense,
but I ain't even really that's where the dogs play defensive.
Me the linebackers in the cornerbacks and pretty boys. And
then we were chilling. So they'll let us know though,
they'll be like, yoga, y'all need to Hey, what the
fund y'all doing over there? I get this ship right.

(32:44):
So once the defensive player put that situation and play
like I'm gonna try to get the offense together. But
then after that it's the quarterback. The quarterback was the
one where everybody looking at saying, all right, what then
is he gonna say? I was in New England for
two years with Brady towards the end of my career.
Brady treated everybody the same practice squad ten your back.

(33:09):
You know what I'm saying. That's that's why I think
Brady to go because he they say, Brady right to
sleep for practice? Is this some real get out of here?
But he described a whole days. I'm gonna tell you
my situation. That's exactly what I want. I went, I

(33:32):
went to New England and you're twelve. I had Adam
did ten thousand yards in Jacksonville. You had twelve thousand
right now right because from it, so you know, going
to New England. Um, I'm looking around this ship. I'm like,

(33:53):
I don't want took out what they got going on.
So I'm up there. But Tom, Tom run every fucking thing.
So you get up there and he's just chill. You
know he chilled. I get up there like Freddy them
them PRPG bro. You know was that like he like, okay,
we're cool now. So he on the ship that I'm on.
So you get up there, practice squad in your vet.
Everybody on the same playing field. If you funked up

(34:16):
on the field, he's treated it the same. You know
everybody name, you know like everybody. It ain't about position.
It's about respecting what you can bring to the team
and how how how urgent you can get it done.
So that's what Tom was about. So he didn't minimize
who you were. He was making a hundred. He listened

(34:39):
to more like in the situation like Tom Brady and
Bill Belichick, who does the team listen to? More like
if they're gonna listen to it in the trenches with
you know what tongue got the last say, Look when
the last time you've seen the CEO fire their self? Wait?
Wait wait wait what Oh if you're the CEO, yeah

(35:02):
you're gonna fight yourself? No, I don't think so when
when when Brady on the field, he the CEO? You
feel he left about what? What? What? What Belichick say?
Because at the end of the day. Who got to
make these plays and get paid. That's how that was
my mind set. The same with Tom. So we're going

(35:24):
to field, tell me like he yo, pretty do the
ship this way? We did, We need it this way
in practice twenty times. But on the field, I just
saw something. Do it this way. Guess what that's she's
gonna workfody. She ain't gonna say a motherfucking thing. It
never been a time but Belichick told you something and
Tom to do something else. He was courting that confliction
I'm gonna do with Tom, say goddamn, I'm respect your lawyer.

(35:51):
That's how. That's the business of it. Bro, I caught
that that that's that's like y'all answered like crazy questions
just like you don't even know, like I always thought that.
I want to pay it real quick, right, If y'all

(36:11):
don't mind, I know, I know. It's just there's no
normal smart ship. We together. May we brought something from us.
Jelf Nasty got something from damn for you, Bro, you
probably get okay, shrimp burger. I've never had a shrimpburger.

(36:32):
I'm in Oh, it's fine, ship, But if you gotta
tell him why the strip Burger, so like significant you know,
she represents the Christ. Yeah you know me, thank you.
So it's a shrimp urger, but it's all shrimp, no filler,
just shrimp and seeings. So it's a secret. I keep

(36:54):
it together. It's don't get what I get a shot
at daily on bro yea for the coach. Yeah so

(37:15):
all right, bro, that was you're drinking when I'm drinking?
Was it ever a dream today? An't you worry about
what I'm drinking? Like? Um? Like if you said I
get here and this this is my my you know,
because did you have to have a dream destination to
go to, Like like you're saying to yourself, like if

(37:36):
I get there, this is this is it? What's for?
You might have been Boston, right not? You know what?
Like I hear a lot of these young boys say, looking, man,
I had a dream when I was this age of
the Cowboys. I was a fan of certain team I
grew up, you know, down here in Florida's right. All

(37:56):
I all I heard was Miami Dolphans in Miami, the
number one. I don't look. But then when I got older,
you know, I just wanted to make it to the league.
I didn't get for I just want to get a
check and go back to the crib and chill. You
know what I'm saying. I ain't like, I ain't had
a capacity to think business marketing, you know, which is

(38:18):
what a lot of our guys failed to understand right now,
and I think that needs to change. But it didn't
really matter to me. I just wanted to get to
wherever whoever drafted me and play. I just want to
compete all that other ship. It didn't matter how about you, Like,
you know, I always wanted to be on Depth Jam.

(38:38):
When I finally got the Depth Yam, it was almost
like for the first day I've walked in Depth Yah.
I take this true story. Um, I feel like I
was going to the Yankees right like, like you know
for you know talk. The day I'm supposed to sign,
I walk into building and um, every guy is there
because you remember, you have to sign into Depth Jam

(39:00):
to go upstairs. So egot is Then Argoty turns and
he looks at me. He goes, you're signed to signing today, right,
And I go yeah. He goes, don't celebrate, oh, And
I'm like what He's like, You're gonna have to work
harder ever on a major, because you have success on
on on a on an independent. Don't don't sleep, don't

(39:23):
let your guards down. And as everybody said that, he
turned around. I think he's a hater, But years later
I knew what he meant. He definitely shouldn't have said
that to me as young as I wasn't as hard
as he said. But when I did appreciate it years
later because he was like, yo, bro, just because you're
on a one of these established teams, don't mean that

(39:45):
you're gonna be established. You don't mean you're gonna be
jay Z might not be. You're not gonna be DMX nothing.
You gotta only be you. But and you're gonna have
to work harder, So you gotta think about it, like
from the from a professional athletes, stand before you answer that,
let's get this shot going. God, damn pull pull. We
should shot at man, I should have seen that shots

(40:08):
you gotta take that. It was a whole street kill.
He's working, damn. But he don't know. But they but
they know if we take too many more these, well,
the whole party. I'm not allowed to watch the clips.
I can tell you. The ring leader like you, you
keep the room together. So you don't keep the room

(40:29):
together when the drunk ship come out, and when it
come on, don't worry about. Don't worry about. It's called
drink chances. All second, we saw you were saying something. Yeah,
I mean, you know, from the sports perspective, you gotta
think about it. As soon as you get drafted, they're
down trying to replace you. So when you talk about
what is saying right like, yeah, you know say bro,

(40:54):
say that loud layman term. It's a young man's business. Yeah,
like you look at business, look at the product. Right,
it's gonna be way, way way more younger. You know,
guys that's ready to get in because they're cheaper at
the end of they You know what I'm saying. You

(41:14):
want to maximize profit. You want to make sure in
the NFL. In the NFL, you want to keep your
salary cap tight. You know what I'm saying. You want
to have a lot of space on your cap. So
if you get young guys with potential, it's all about leverage,
but the opportunity to increase their value. But you'll have
a five year window. So every contract that's seen that's

(41:35):
done in the NFL you see these guys talk about
a hundred million dollars deal, right, they might get forty
million of the guarrant guarantee. Yeah, but that's only the
first three years. That's the life of the still got
a life for the deal. Let's say you signed a
six year a hundred million dollars deal. The first three years,

(41:56):
Let's say you get forty million guaranteed. That's only pertaining
to the first three years, and everybody is judged on
the first three stars, living like a forty million dollar nigger,
and then you get injured the other sixty million. It's
backloaded on that contract. So you got three years were
they're giving you forty boom, you might get thirty five

(42:17):
million signing. Then then the next year they're gonna give
you two. Then the next year, the third year, they're
gonna give you three. Right, so that's your forty mill guarantee.
They don't wipe their hands clean the next three years.
It's sixty mill on there. If you haven't shown them
that you can do ship, you have years cut you

(42:38):
because and they don't have to give you that sixty No, No,
it's like, yeah, since you've made a million dollars deal,
but really that was the life of the contract. It
includes the marketing, the promotion, the label. But it's a
little bit different. It's a little let me take a
little different label. They'll say, we'll give you one point

(42:59):
for right, and what happens is we'll go in and
we'll make an album. The album because one point seven,
so they will have the week forecast, that's what they
call it. And they got if you maximize that the
first three years, if you're gonna do your thing, that

(43:22):
that that third year where you might get twenty meal
because it's sixty meals left with three years left. But
on averages, if you're gonna get twenty meals, they don't
want to see that twenty meal on this salary cap.
Say're gonna say, a right, Nori, we want to meet
with you in your Asian coming here. We're gonna find
a way to take the twenty meals off our hit
because we we envisioned you being here another six years.

(43:47):
So they're gonna come in and they're gonna offer you
an extension where they're gonna give you new money, and
then that next that same year where you're just gonna
get that twenty in that year four where you're gonna
get twenty. They might say, we want to give you two,
but we're gonna add offer you a new contract with
another three year extension. So they're gonna make it a
six year deal, but they're gonna give you another hundred million,

(44:11):
you know what I'm saying. But the signing bonus is
gonna be But you really playing on the forty You
really playing like year to year in the NFL, like
outside outside of like that guarantee side of to take
about when you walk and I wanted you to take
off when you you left off for you said the
minute they draft you there trying to replace the injury rate.

(44:32):
And in the NFL is they know that any minute
the ankle could go and he could go right like
that and it's over. Yeah, right, So looking that that
is a is a great example. But he's a quarterback.
If that's a running back, if that's why I received,
that's any other position, they're not getting a contract. They're
going back from lead minimum that Prescott is supposed to
make forty five million dollars or forty million dollars right

(44:56):
that Prescott's gonna get that because he's a quarterback. Any
other position you're going to don't make one million dollars
and prove it proved to me that you're healthy. But
what I'm saying about at I got to understand every
time you walk in in the locker room, and I'm
not I'm not, I'm not exaggerating. Every day we walk
into the locker room. They had they got a thing
called core guys. There's like four or five guys that's untouchable.

(45:16):
That year. You're gonna see somebody with a trash bag
walking out, and you're gonna see somebody with a suitcase
walking in, and they give them the same jersey, they
give them the same locker room every day. The numbers
man got to the same number every day, every day,
every day. To this conversation, I don't know, I don't

(45:42):
know a lot of people that we're talking about this,
he said, So we talked about this an im athlete.
A lot of people don't know that every year you're
playing the NFL, you have to make more money. It's
called the minimum. So like right that first year, what
is it like six fifty? No No League minimal was

(46:03):
almost it's like eight. It's like when I was at
my first year, we had to make two hundred and
third or seven thousand. My second year we had to
make two seventy hundred seventy thousand. But when every year
in the c b A, the Collective Bargaining Agreement, that's
that's the NFLPA vers NFL. There's a set there's a

(46:26):
set number on every player if he's played three years,
four years, five years, six years, eighteen years, that he
has to make. They try to work. And that's what
you were talking about. They're trying to replace every time
when you get drafted and trying to replace you because
they have a league minimum because when they draft you
at four hundred thousand, if the dude the next year

(46:48):
it's better than you at five hundred thousand. Numbers, it's
all about numbers. You're not broke. Let me let me
say that. Dudes think their names are their names. Brandon Marshall,
Fred Taylor, you're not Fred telling Brandon Marshall you're running
back one and your receiver one, and then you're gonna
be received numbers. It's all going to regrets that. Here's

(47:13):
here's what both of like with both of you guys
been saying I got this this do say this is
two hundred million dollars that each team has to spend.
It's not that that that collective bargain agreements around like
a hundred and seventy million, give or take a few
million every single year. Now we're in the pandemic. So TV, right,
the TV deals is what pay like, that's where the
money comes from, you know. So now let's say it's

(47:35):
easy numbers, two hundred million dollars we got to spend
U throughout this the sixty guys. If I got a
guy making ten million dollars, Brandon Marshall making ten million dollars,
and he's given me a thousand yards ten touchdowns a year,
that's his production, right, great, awesome. But as soon as
I find a guy that I can pay four hundred

(47:58):
dollars and he can give me nine hundred yards or
thousands and those ten touchdowns, now they're gonna come back
to you and say, hey, we need to we need
to renegotiate your deal. We're gonna cut you or we
want We're just gonna cut you. Right. So that's what
it's about day to day in the NFL. And this
is something that no young player coming in knows from
the get I'm assuming now they only had agents or

(48:21):
anybody from from the entrance trying to well, guys know, yeah,
guys understand it, you know, as far as like the
numbers and you know, and especially nowadays because we have
podcasts and we have these types of discussions, so they
got access to information. But I don't think every guy understand.
What Channing said is that I don't care about you.
I care about what you can do for me today.

(48:42):
The NFL stand for that National Football League. It stands
for not for long, right, And that's what they don't understand.
They're trying to. It's crazy, y'all favorite player, pick them
up in yall mind. I don't even want to hear
whatever the fail y'all favorite NFL playing all y'all's mind.
There is an organization that's trying to replace him because

(49:04):
he's getting older every day. Pretty to go. They let
his ass gold because his ass could y'all y'all favorite player.
And Patrick mahomest with somebody mind because I love Patrick Holmes,
my dude. Right now, the Kansas City Chiefs have to

(49:26):
have a meeting about Patrick mahomes When a little pretty redhead,
fluffy and curly head, motherfuck get old, when do we
need to replace him? Think about that. That's the drink.
Kansas City chiefs. The city chiefs have to talk about
when to replace Patrick Rogers. Example, it's a perfect example.

(49:50):
Aaron Rodgers and m VP and VPP Mars go ahead,
we can talk about that after this. Aaron Rodgers is

(50:14):
the best quarterback right now in the NFL. The Green
Bay Packers drafted Jordan's Love in first round. In the
first round last year. They didn't get a damp bro.
They didn't they didn't get the best player in the NFL,
a better running back, a better left tap or the
protective got him. They got him a replacement because Aaron
Rodgers is old and they didn't know how long he

(50:36):
can But they can't think about right. In rap we
have things called a grandfather contract. Right, So a grandfather
contract is like, um, no matter what I could, I
can sell two records tomorrow, but you you can't pay
me less than a certain amount. Like I believe al
l has a grandfather's contract. Um, yeah, we do have that.

(50:56):
That's that. That's what they said the CB and collective
bargain agreements. So we're gonna go all there and say
if you're if you if you're a veteran, passed this
amount of years, this is how much you can can ye, Yes,
we got stuff like okay, okay, but at the end
of day, you talk about kick him out. Yeah, that's
why they drafted him. Perfect. It was Aaron Rodgers about
to win the m v P. They drafted guy in

(51:17):
the first round, that first round, quarter quarterback. Quarterback, that
quarterback ain't gonna have to win the Super Bowl this year.
They didn't go get somebody on defense. But what they
do is they go get him, and now they can
turn around this year if he didn't perform well and
say we're gonna cut you or we need you to
take a pay up. So that thirty five that thirty
six million you posed to make, we need you to
be at fifteen. But that's about to ask let me

(51:40):
get guests to make. So does Aaron Rodgers does he
mentor this this dude doing that eventually, this guy's gonna
take my place? Does he say this guy tell him
come to practice? Yeah? Yeah, no, every guy, you might
you might have friends because every situation, right, yeah, they
When I was Inville, you know, I got injured a

(52:02):
couple of seasons and the team has to do what
the team has to do. It. When I was a player,
I ain't really understand it, but you know, I just
wanted to win. I didn't give a funk about it.
The plus I wanted to compete to So my team
they drafted, like for probably about a ten year period,
they drafted to running backs a year. So they drafted

(52:22):
running backs my teen years and in Jacksonville. And guess
what I did. I stepped up to the plate. They
made me do my thing. I'm like, me, worry about
this ship. I talked in the playbook and all of that.
So they they insert Jones Drew who went and did
this thing. So as a player, I'm more comfortable knowing

(52:43):
I got somebody that can go out there and do
the thing when I'm recovering, when I'm getting my rest,
I'm tired of ship. I'm like, damn, I hain't out
of Paul. Extra stress on me. This young boy, he
gonna get out there, he's gonna do his thing. We're
not gonna right in the same position. So it all
depends on your relationship with you know what's going on.

(53:04):
But then I've seen mostly the receiver position you know,
the receipt and all respect to them. This is why
it can be two to three receivers on the field
at a time. He'd have started, but he might not
be getting the ball that day based on the They

(53:26):
could be doubling him, swinging everybody to his side. Now
he gotta depend on receivers X they go make plays.
If he's not making plays and we're not winning, Like ship,
I could have thrown the double coverage. Let me get
me a shot. You know what I'm saying, we gonna
lose the game. So it depends on But the reality

(53:47):
is I always say this of the guys in the NFL,
like we talked about fraternity, you draft, We drafting guys
every year. We're bringing a new free agents and ninety
probably even the guys um you know they're they're they're
they're helping the guys out. So new guy come in,
you know he's there to replace you. They drafted or
or or brought him in free agency to take your

(54:10):
some of your production. And you're gonna see that guy
go through the playbook with him. Let me show you
this is this person in the organization. Here's my massage therapist,
here's my real estate agent. That's that fraternity that we
talked about, right, And that's a that's across the board
every once in a while, like if a guy is
treating a rookie bad, not because he's a rookie, like
a rookie come in, you know, you gotta pay your dudes,

(54:31):
but like not trying to show him the way. It's
kind of dving, Like we look at him like, dude,
what is you doing? Right, because that's not the culture.
It's counterculture. In the league week, we have this mindset
of look, we're gonna help you out at the end
of the day because you know what the crazy ship is.

(54:53):
And I'm a Swiss of the story A subject a
little bit right now. Um, I bike by aga and
shot right bike ride right open, Yeah, yeah, like that
cycle the motorized. I got electronic bike sound. So it's

(55:32):
a it's a time that when we start the bike ride,
I could tell he's back on the field, like he's
not he's yelling at everybody get on the bike. I
just he's back on the field, like he's like, I'll
be looking at her. You know. The other day he called,
he was like, but the other day we drove and

(55:54):
it was an Amazon truck that pulled up. I stopped,
like any human being, who do why in the nuts?
He pulled on the side of them, you know how
big an Amazon and not looking cause I'm trying to
do what he do and he blocked the Amazon truck.

(56:16):
I said, I'm not doing guys, Like, So, what I'm
trying to say is I wish I was exaggerated. I
wish I was exaggerated, Like, so, I'm just trying to

(56:38):
picture y'all. Is you telling this story, y'all, y'all psychic suits.
I'm the pych suit, y'all because I'm going to buck
the bayle because my's sucked up. But what I'm trying
to say is like, is that is do you'll ever

(57:00):
like turn the game off? Or is that something that
that is? That? Is that a four? So? So so
we just had that conversation. But for me, that's why
when we talk about you know, why I struggle earlier
on in my career because as a player, and I
hate to use this word because I'm big on mental health,
but it can paint the picture for people. But you
almost gotta be bipolar. And I say that, no, no,

(57:26):
I don't wanna go down there. I don't want to
go there now because no. So you gotta be able
to go on the field turn that switch on. You
gotta think about it. This dude way two pounds. He
running twenty two miles per hour. I'm two hundred thirty pounds.
I'm running twenty four miles per hour forty yards and
were coming hit hit the head. You gotta have a

(57:46):
different mentality to do that. So, like, how do you
have that mentality turn that switch on? You gotta go
to a different place and then you go off the field,
your husband, your your father, and you gotta turn that.
A lot of a lot of guys don't have that,
like fred T had that, like he could go on
the field, turn that on naturally, then on the off
the field, cool chill of the coolest dude in the league. Right.

(58:08):
A lot of guys gotta work on that. So, like
you talk about Warren, we got a lot of guys
that's that are retired that's still gotta learn how to
turn that switch on. It. I don't think that. Yeah,
Jel this ship. So I hung out with him one day,
I hung out Vick one day. I'm going south. This
this is this is two different things. Okay, what I'm

(58:33):
saying I met you, Okay, Okay, I made you through
vicking sound and this is bro. It is perfect. But
it Okay, I didn't play tay. We're just hanging out
and B, you don't remember I just said that. I
totally remember what he said. I just do app but no.

(58:57):
But but Bro, if you don't understand, and this is
the perfect conversation. And in this aspect where you know Vic,
you know me, and you don't heard what Be just said,
you heard everybody is said, Bro, that ship like of
locking in and then letting go, locking in and letting go.

(59:18):
And it's funny. It's funny to say that me and
me and B because with with Brandon, with all the
mental health stuff, Bro, we don't have some real, like
man conversations about mental health. And with different things, with
our podcasts and with different things, we'd had some real
conversations with mental health. And that's the thing that I

(59:38):
think men don't want to do is talk about that.
It's talk about what football did us and talk about
what what like the life that we lived in us
And people don't understand it's one percent of people that
have our our experiences and I tell you what I
tell you the other day, Bro, I appreciate you, And

(01:00:00):
he text me back, he said, I love you, I
love you, my brother. Let's make some more you freaky friend, Bro,
I am only people. Only people is nasty. Let my

(01:00:27):
point friend, nasty, But bro, Bro, what for a man perspective?
And to see us sitting around drinking a bullshit? Bro?
To have a dude that done did so much like
a man that's made it, a man that's like that

(01:00:48):
is even bigger than you, and just talk to him
and text him, bro, I love you, bro, And that
man text me I love you too, my dude, my man,
that's that that that clicks when I worried. That clicks.
That's beautiful to have a man that that, that appreciates you,
that respects you and your goods. You're shot ready for

(01:01:09):
We are ready shot for you. Let me tell you.
I like that in this game they say we got
ten years of more. You're washed up. We ain't washed up.
We want to salute all legends to give you godda
flouts to your faith. I like that you shut this
nigger giving you felt the light skin ship. Aren't you

(01:01:36):
light skinting dogs. I used to be light skinned. I
want to be eight car block right now. I've been trying.
I don't Yeah, no, man, no, I want to mesin skin. Man,
I ain't know you. This is the question I want

(01:01:58):
to pose real quick, right, I'm gonna say real quick.
He talking about you know guys in our profession that
you know they talk about CTE with the head and
depression and you know what I'm saying, m h and
and and and wrap. You got guys that run with
twenty deep entourage, they big what happens with the light

(01:02:22):
them when they ain't getting the money the same way?
You know what I'm saying, When when all everybody that
was running with him, like what happens in those situations
when they depressed, like what they're going through mentally? Well, um,
I have said it on the show. I forget what
show it was, but I said, man, you're the man Monday.
It's hard to wake up on Wednesday and not be

(01:02:43):
the man. You understand what I'm saying. And the thing
and the thing about it is this, you know, like
even with football, Like you know football, I always used
to kind of think like it's one of the most
protective sports because guys faces are covered. So so so
if if somebody's not really into the football, somebody can say, yo,
you this is and you can say no, that's it.

(01:03:03):
You can't really do that, Like I can't really like
they say that you Norrie. The thing about it is, um,
we all deal with it. This is a this is
a version of being posted maaticum rapsodrome because this is it.
This is it because you know what it was. I
wasn't addicted to the actual money. I was addicted to

(01:03:25):
the thrill of Southern Records. That thrill like when I
dropped the album and that week of that album, it's
a certain ball. So so when I kind of retired
from hip hop without saying I retire from hip hop,
that's what I missed. I would miss the thrill whether
it worked or not. But with a podcast, I could
fulfill that thrill every week. Every fucking episode that's gonna

(01:03:48):
go platinum, like every episode, not even gold. Like you
know I was a gold artist and you know I
got one platinum. Let's make noise, but everyone don't blatinum.
But this I'm actually even like even bigger. The numbassy
is even bigger. So but this is a form of
the thing is. The thing is this, This is this

(01:04:09):
is what's fucked up about being an artist is your
team pumps you up, your record label pumps you up,
your management pumps you up to be this guy. And
then when you start acting like that guy, they say
you's to do that. You ain't that guy. They push

(01:04:31):
you to go Hollywood, and then when you go Hollywood
they judge you for that. And the thing is, what
you gotta know is the same people you you said
don't know going up, you're gonna see coming down. And
so you got So that's why in our game you
have to have balance because, um, I really like look

(01:04:51):
at it more like a comedian almost. I always used
to compare us to the sports, but I almost now
compared to a comedian like Kevin Hard guy all these
five ten fift and guys. When Kevin Hart go on stage,
he could only he can't his friends can't be funny
for him. You know what I'm saying. It's the same
thing with rap, but entertainment is a little different because, um,
like I said, they pushed off face so much and

(01:05:14):
when it when you do become famous, and then they
take the opportunity away from it's a famous but that,
but that, but that's not a big I mean it's
the same. It's anonymous rapping sports and uh, you know
it's interesting because a lot of guys and I see you,

(01:05:36):
I see Fat Joe, and I'm like, yo, their genius,
they get it. A lot of our our entertainers, a
lot of athletes don't have a second career. They don't
even have a plan B. It's it, this is why,
this is why I was here. I'm born to catch
a football, I'm born to rap. It's over. Now, what

(01:05:56):
did you have that plan that? Did you know where
the plan B was? Because for me, like halfway through
my career, I started setting up everything I'm doing now
because I'm studying the people that came before me, and
I don't think everybody has a plan B. Understand that
it could be taken away and what's next? Because you
retire at what how old was you when you've been
talking to you gonna think about this? It's so hard

(01:06:17):
to tell somebody. Man, you think about later on in
life when you win. When you winning, like, that's the
worst time to tell somebody. You know you're gonna have
a rainy day because you're looking like, but here's my thing.
Here's hard sports and music. Average career three years. But

(01:06:37):
let's say you have a good career, right, thirteen years,
you retire at thirty four. How many fifty year old rappers?
And there's only one or two for real? Jay z Uh.
But but the same, it's the same you put it
on jay Z. You know you got a couple of guys.

(01:07:00):
You know, he just came out. He fought me something
years of age. Right, what are you doing with life
after that? There's so much life to live. So that's
the man slide. Whether you're an entertainer, if you're an athlete,
you gotta understand that. When whether you if you walk
away in your terms, you still wanna be you. Wow,
how you created house an athlete? Yeah, I mean I

(01:07:23):
would tell you this with Brandon and he's going back
to the early conversation, be me and be really cool.
And like you said, I think I was a person
that be has never met in his life, a dude
that just funs off, like I don't care about anything else.
I just I just enjoyed life. And for Brandon and

(01:07:44):
he can he can address it where on the back
end of the career. I never saw somebody grind as
hard as you do. Bro. He grinds house an athlete,
he has he has the combine guys and he has guys.
I'm in towards the feeling he has white and hears
and stuff. Bro. There, my personal opinion is that there's

(01:08:09):
there is not another Brandon Marshall has ever lived in
the NFL. You be a part of it? Can you
give me another Brandon? That was? That was? That was

(01:08:30):
so cute? Bro. No, I just think I think for me,
and it's like I always leaked into what I don't know,
you know what I'm saying. Like, I always felt like
if I know what I don't know, I can go

(01:08:50):
find an answer. I can go google something quick, I
go pick up a book quick. You know what I'm saying.
I got the other y'all over there, Booth, I got
the other y'allum, I can't so like that was that
was always my That was always my mentality is figure
out what I don't know and build off of that.
So when you think about, you know, this transition that
we're talking about, whether you're an athlete or entertainer, you know,

(01:09:13):
you start studying it, like, damn, why are so many
of our guys uh depressed filing for bankruptcy when the
game or the stage is taken away from him, right
because there's no planing b So what I did is
I spent three months at Harvard and I did a
case study studying entertainers athletes and figuring out, like how
did they use utilize There's a he was asking. But

(01:09:38):
that's that's the thing though, Like I spent that time
trying to figure out, like how do you use your
platform something that's that's amazing right now? But I want
to build something that last longer than the game, that
longer longer than the rhymes. And so we put this
plan together and a couple of people jumped out to me,
Magic Johnson, I'll start their Lift Live, arm Strong landtm
Strong as well. But Magic Johnson, I can't understand, like

(01:10:00):
how you work for almost a half a bi a
half a billion dollars and you still on ESPN and
they're paying you a couple of million dollars, Like you
losing money? Like why are you doing that? You know
you uhould be in the office. And I realized that
it was another platform. I realized that you know, he
was had so many different ventures. So like I started
studying those blueprints and and and and I just feel

(01:10:20):
like a lot of our guys need to understand that
when you retire, the game is taken away from you.
You're still young, So study the people that came before
you and build off of that. And it's an identity
thing too, because I think people get absolve and just
this is my identity. I'm just the ballplayer. That's all
I can do. Understanding that their identity could be all
kinds of things. Well, that was Antonio Brown. We had

(01:10:43):
him on here, but before we had when we had
him on here, I asked him about an interview that
he did where I think he was, um, uh, what's
the guy? Um, that's what's keep skip ballst uh stephen
As So he was kind of like this and Sharon Shop.
He was like, man, um, I don't want to do
what Sharon Shop is doing because when I retired from

(01:11:06):
the NFL, I want to own a tuning team. I
don't want to be talking about it team Like how
you play? How you he said? He said it was
on Lebron show The Shop, and he was like how
you play football? All your life and then you go,
you know, top football again, like what are you doing?
He called him a clown all that I know exactly
what you're saying. How do you do? How do you

(01:11:26):
guys feel on that statement, because I mean what we do?
Be min you want to you want to own a
team one day? No, I'm trying to. I'm trying to
create the next billion dollar black owned, the first billion
dollar Black on wellness brand. That's what I'm trying to do. Well,
we don't participate in that, you know, like how do
we eat better? How do we supplement? How do we

(01:11:47):
you know what I'm saying trained like we were dying.
Like if this pandemic ain't teach us nothing, it taught us. Yeah.
So that's what I'm on. Bro. I want to say something,
but we want you to say something. We love you.

(01:12:10):
Come on, come on, sue. Mm hmm oh, I'll tell
you all. One thing. I wish that there was a
larger percent of people that thought like Brandon Marshall and

(01:12:31):
you were early what we hour ago? Whatever you ask like,
how how did I am athlete? Be? I am athletes?
Brandon Marshall and miss Marshall And you want me to
call everybody else names. And that's a bro. He brings
a team. He brings a team. When he started when
when when Brandon started this, when he started was out

(01:12:53):
the first part of hyah men you we were you know,
it was when you were talking. It was the same
thing we were saying in there. And all our kids
played together, all I can play together. Yeah we didn't
say that. And I'll tell you my golf cart is
way not say this, bro. I got that ship on

(01:13:15):
the knee. That guy Brandon didn't know what about the
golf car. He didn't know how you can set up
the golf cart. And I set up the golf cart.
But with when when Brandon saw how you can line
things up and you can really appreciate and respect the
attention that you can get from this bro and with y'all,

(01:13:38):
with y'all, and I love y'all show. I watched everyone
of y'all show. That's why I brought the bottom because
I'm going to be I know you had all this.
I know about the bottom man. And and Brandon had
a vision and he knew that you can capitalize on
your on your your name, your likeness and all that.
And Brandon talked about talk to me about that years ago.

(01:14:00):
Here's the thing, though, this is this is the reality
to I look at like our platforms, whether it's Drink Champs,
I immediately guy's been doing I Am Athlete only eight months? Yeah, yeah,
only eight months. Yeah like this. I didn't want to
get to this until like two years from now, but
the pandemic shut everything down. I was like, ship, we
all in the same neighborhood, let's come together and the

(01:14:21):
show we don't know what's going take off the way
it did. But my mind, because it's the locker room
is real talking. People don't want to hear any more
excess those suits and ties room talk. Like this platform,
Drink Champs, I am Athlete, it's an incubator for talent.

(01:14:41):
What it is it's is the tech. Look at this
name right here, This dude been on This dude been
on local radio in Miami and talking about the Miami Heat,
talking about the Miami Dolphins for ten years, and he's
one of the best in the industry. I've been on
showtime inside the NFL for seven years with the best
of the best getting paid a lot of money. I'm like, no,
they can't even touch him. So in my mind is

(01:15:01):
like you know when I first went out, when like
after a month or two and we're creating the show
at show times and everybody call us saying, man, we
like what y'all doing. The first thing they said this,
I don't know, maybe you'll should put Reggie Bush on,
like I don't know about Chaney Crowder. Who's Chaney Crowder?
And that's like y'all just gotta understand that you'll wait
and see. And now all these people want to buy
a show, and they're like, he is the star, you

(01:15:22):
know what I'm saying, something his life ship, like he
ain't gonna say you're the center, like let that. Let
me take said that I directed all the question. I
knew forever was gonna get quiet at the while. I
just I was wanting, like you told what you want
say football like like like so so I knew it.

(01:15:48):
But it's it's a certain energy that you you you possess,
you command the room and you don't even try it,
like you know what I'm saying. So I was I
was gonna be up, so I was ready for you.
But my wife I told my wife, I said, I'm
going on drinks and she said you're going on drinks.
I said, yeah, I'm going to drinks, and like, well,

(01:16:08):
we gotta get your heads, we gotta get we gotta
get you about this shirt yesterday. I'm gonna tell you
because again, like I said, when I came into this game,
I thought every wrapper hung out together. When I found
that out, I was crushed. When I found out football players,
I thought every football player knows every football player. I thought,

(01:16:29):
when you go home at night, Jerry Rice, call you.
You know what I'm saying, what's my man? Just said?
You know he's on your answer. Everyone knew everyone, And
then to come to find out that it's just like
rap and then see there's fo y'all like it could

(01:16:50):
have been one, that could have been two, It could
have been Twitter, it could have been before. I was like, damn,
this is the woof Tang clan, like these things exact Nancy.
I was listening to this song and this is why,
right Chef Nancy, she didn't cook for Michael straighthand she
didn't cook for um uh, Robin Roberts, Kelly Roland, everybody.

(01:17:13):
She's sick and she got a Jamaica queens. Why we
don't got our own seasoning. Why we ain't got our
own cookbook. So yeah, you're gonna come on the show,
and everybody. I love Chef Nancy. I love Chef Nancy.
And guess what's happened next, mouch Chef Nancy dropping her
website when I Nancy, I'm supporting. Yeah, I think that's that.
Y'all got me going, turning up right now, turning up.

(01:17:48):
Remember your thought. Please. But what I've been preaching with
me my partner from preaching for years is we want
everything to come from our culture. The thing about it is,
if I could come to your podcast and I know
what's gonna happen this Sunday because you're gonna be breaking
it down, I don't need to actually even watch any
other sports show. Haver. You know the same I'm saying.

(01:18:10):
If I'm gonna go look at the weather and Jim
Jones is giving me the weather good? You care about
Andy broke off and all these I'm with Jim Jones.
You don't understand what I'm saying. Like I feel like
our culture and that's not a black, black white thing.
I'm saying, our coaches, people that love our coaching, we
should get together and really make our own Wakanda. You

(01:18:32):
know what I'm I'm saying really like, I mean really
really like bla speak on this ahead, hold on, holding before,
give me Jim Jones, give me example, Jim Jones breaking
out the weather, Jim Jones, the show a vote, TV
calls the weather man, Jim Jones. How does he gotta
give it to me? Yeah, he gave. He starts with

(01:18:54):
the shoot and he gave he should give the one
of them and he gave you the weekly broadcast sucking
the NYC every day. And I think it's hilarious. But
I think like we should really do that, Like we
should really like at the end of the day, at
the end of the day you spoke about earlier. I
don't know what one of Jim Jones Ones is this work, um,

(01:19:16):
but let's try to. Let's try. But like sat, I
want SAP to do drink chap sports cover the whole
sports right. And this is the thing is we keep
doing things like that, we don't ever have to go
outside our culture. We can we can maintain, we can
actually go on. Remember how remember we set the newspaper
because you had the funk with the New York Times,
you had the funk with. But now you're going on

(01:19:41):
and have an app. Why we can't have our own app?
We could get everything, you know, I want to buy.
I want to buy socks from our culture somebody. I
don't gonna buy socks from somebody I know who's the
owner is and four room. Uh you know what I mean.
Ray Lewis is Southern socks Lewis, and I to let
me go support ray Lewis. Like I went to a

(01:20:01):
dinner the other day with a family and there was
a family, a mad different family, and all of them
had on Watch This by the way, right, and their
obligation every month was to spend a certain amount and
every one of the this is like twenty six of them,
and I'm sitting there just witnessing, and they're like, yeah, like, oh,
you didn't spend the twenty grand in November, Like okay,

(01:20:23):
don't worry, I'm spending in February. And I'm like I'm
saying bad, Like you know, if we thought like this,
like all of us have businesses and I'm obligated to
support your business twenty grand in every two, two or
three months, You're obligated to the same thing. To me,
Holy shit, But take it to the next level though, Right,

(01:20:44):
we create something, whether it's drink champs or a product,
I just want us to think this right. A lot
of times when we reach out, we like, yo, I
know you my people, you know, just give that to me.
You guy understand like the investment in that and and
and how much that we be appreciated if you actually
go online and you buy that, right, Like, we gotta

(01:21:06):
start understanding that it's not just about post, Like, yeah,
we want you to post, we want you to engage,
but we also need you to invest. Like what you're
saying like if ray Lewis dropped some socks by the
socks happened, but if you understand that, but we understand
the mission of the company that and you get it

(01:21:28):
because like when you turn around and you look at
like the president and the president is black, right, and
the president on something like you get me a platform
NOMA empowered black women, Like now you understand where the
money is going. It's not like, oh, this is you
know Noriy, this is Brandon, this is ray Lewis, this
is that person's Fred Taylor, Chandy Crowder, they got millions.

(01:21:49):
It's like, what are we doing for a community? Is
that if that, if that platform, if that brand is
going back to the community and building up our community,
then we got to support that. And I think we
I think we're doing a good job. I think I think,
I think I think let me just tell yourself. I
think we're on our way. But I feel like it
should be real structures. It should be real, like you
know what, house of athlete, everyone's going to go up

(01:22:10):
to the house of athlete on this day at this
certain times what or whatever? Boom and then all right, cool,
you know what, t I got his new colon line dropping.
We're gonna all go support tis a cool or whatever.
Don't you just said drinks drink Champ Sports, drink Chat Sports.
Like what we do is we say, let me go
create my own platform, right like you already got him.

(01:22:31):
You already created the platform. So what is that professional athlete?
Who is that friend that's gonna go out there and say,
you know what, I'm going on drink Champ Sports. That's
my platform, right, don't go create your own. You already
broke through for us. That's what he said. I would
to the shop of day that how do we erase

(01:22:56):
four hundred years of conditioning? Though doing it right now.
We're trying to. We try, you know what I'm saying.
We got to start from somewhere. But we're trying. We
are really trying to. But we've been conditioned to have
a crab in the in the barrel mentality. You know,
you got guys that will go to the a rab
down the street, you know what I'm saying, and get

(01:23:18):
a deal and be like, yo, uh just five dollars,
let me get it for three. They're gonna cut the deal.
They're gonna come to you. They're like, no, I want
to get it for what it is that they want
to get it for two dollars from you, you know
what I'm saying. So they're not really supporting you how
they need to support you. So that's the problem with
our people, our culture. We try to teach them, but

(01:23:41):
it's a little bit more complicated. You know what I'm saying.
I love what Puff is trying to do. You know
what I'm saying, I love what what what what Ross
is trying to y'all do that? So we gotta show

(01:24:05):
love and give love to what to do. So we
gotta start somewhere because not a lot of people are
engaging in tune to We're trying to look out for
each other because they're gonna look at you like, man,
I need to get this for for six dollars. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know what you're
not looking out for? You see the seller Louis. But

(01:24:29):
they're not gonna go in there say that they're gonna
going there with pride so they can show the next
nigga that I got this. But if they're gonna have
your brand, I got ner ship style speak at this
thing called pharmacy or life, and I think he had
it for about three years. Yesterday was the first time
I got like it's the second time that I got

(01:24:51):
something for freakause I never asked for free. I just
just go out there and I just support it. And
he always hit me when I posted. He was like,
you know I was sending to you be free. I said,
that's not the point. The point is you got a
product that I like. I like this black seat? Are you?
And if I was to go to fucking G and C,
I ain't going to the people and ask, but you
know what you said, it's important. I think also the

(01:25:12):
mission statement has to match the quality and the quality
has to match. And that's how that's how you keep
it moving forward. We got to do it the right way.
One thing for sure. This is the reason why in
hip hop like um, when you look at Ross, you
look at Puff, look at e F, I'm gonna throw
you in that category. When you look at that and

(01:25:40):
you look at these people, we're not into watch it anyway.
So if these guys are behind this product, you know
what I'm saying, These people behind this product, you should
know that I cool. That means that they believe in it.
You know what I'm saying. So we should believe in it,
you know what I mean? Because and and that's a
good point. I think. I think, I think we were
gonna get there eventually. But you see it goes like

(01:26:02):
you're not. You didn't. You didn't hit up styles Pete.
I didn't love I love Styles up this mute, but
you didn't hit him up and say like, you know,
send me this or I love that. You know? Can
you people kept um promoting black seed oil so like
it's like you're just drink black seed oil every day day.
For I never once hit Stiles P. I just like

(01:26:24):
this product and I did it what it was was
I just you know, Instagram, and I was just like, Yo,
I'm out of my black seed oil, but I'm about
to order that and they just sent it to me.
Really because I think about I think about Martell has
been at you know, football player retired and he's a
black author, and he dropped a book, and I just
like every time you drop a book, I go and

(01:26:44):
I buy, and I don't tell him I'm buying, and
then I posed, and then I might buy five and
pass it on to other people. But I also think
about how many other football player, as soon as Martell
has been a dropped a book, how many people just
off the strip just say I'm buying that? All right?
But that but bro, but that, But that's what you're
talking about. Where support support support support support? Anybody got

(01:27:07):
your shots? Because I'm ready, you're ready, yes, sir? Yeah,
I love this ship, by the way, I love this ship. Bro. Congratulations.
So how has it been working with right, because you know,
yeah today yeah yeah, yeah, we're gonna call him out.

(01:27:29):
But how has it been working with the overall? Because like,
he's been that guy that teams have complained about. He's
been the distraction that teams are complaining about So I
imagine moving on in a lot of years, is that
it does all right, because you know y'all like the
coaches now, because you know what I'm saying, we talked

(01:27:50):
about that all the time on the show. We actually
had that whole distraction. Distraction. Well, yeah, that so they
say that the nigga we wait too far. I know

(01:28:13):
you they're kicking the ball and all the bullshit is
a distraction to the organization. But it's fun to entertaining
to the fans. But that's don't say your bild. They
didn't do that by the tickets an by the NFL network.

(01:28:34):
But that's but that's the thing though to certain fans,
because you have some fans that they're just old school.
They're from the clubhouse, and this is what they don't
want to see that ship. They want to see w's
you know what I'm saying. Like, if you like, if
you're hand in the business, what you want to see
your profit margin is big. You want to see all

(01:28:54):
the other bullshit. So when they see oh, they're like,
all right, they come the the circus. Yeah, that's what
they call the showIn you don't want to see that
a motherfucking monkey monkey. But I'm speaking for the coaches.
The coaches they don't want to service to see that either.

(01:29:16):
But if they know he don't go out there ball
a lot more than these other guys, they're gonna let
They're gonna get fast. They're but and this is if
he was here, this is what he would say the NFL,
the NFL business is what er entertainment. And that's what
I did. I entertained, so in his mind he feels
like I was the show. I took a market that

(01:29:37):
nobody talked about and put a big old light on it.
But here's what I would say about because prime Time
was that like the first time, like we've seen that
superstar superstar like this come out and be flamboyant like that,
almost like a global other than Muhammad adel was. It

(01:30:01):
was prompting. I would say, och Ocho took it to
a whole another level. And like the the like what
you see guys doing down the Juju Smiths, the Odell
Beckham Jrs. Of the world, all they're doing is taking
his blueprint right and it was it was Yeah, that's exactly,
And this is what I would say about Ocho Um

(01:30:21):
and my time with working with him, because I never
understood why, like why isn't he on ESPN, Why isn't
he on FS one? Why does he have that deal?
And I quickly realized that and learned that he wants
he wants to have real conversations. Right, so when you
see it's raw like you're go on ESPN and some
of these shows, it's needed. It's great. You know, we

(01:30:42):
get a lot of information. I'm on FS one, I'm
on inside the NFL. But Ocho don't want to be
talking about XS and those. He want to have that
we got. What about Hey we did we good. We're
talking about the Weather Channel. Listen, they didn't hear about

(01:31:05):
your show. I told him, I don't watch the Weather
other than if Jim Jones do the weather. If Jim
Jones will do the weather, I don't watch it. I
go to the vault and I watched my brother weather Man. Yeah,
tomorrow the second season. It's not so Friday, so you
can check it out on Friday season. So the second

(01:31:25):
season start tomorrow on Revote. Right, all right, dope, you
Friday you can catch the Yeah, yeah, you're in the
weight room. Yeah, I just met the chimp. Actually, So
I'm just I was in the house, just up in
the car relaxing before that's what's up? O G. Hey,
we gotta tap into the Weather Channel had me on
bro I want to learn respond. Yeah, he's fondest. You

(01:31:52):
don't want him, He's talking about her fondest way. Well,
you know, I wanted to promote your show, my brother,
me sitting here telling them how much we're proud of you,
because when I watched the Weather, I want to get
it from Jim Jones. I don't want from anybody else. Brother,
I love you. Take Jim ja. I love my brother.

(01:32:14):
That's you. Gotta ya, Okay, I'm sorry I had to
do Jim Jones ship already turn out ye turn over. Well, hey,
I didn't gotta put it where I was taking to

(01:32:39):
make earlier when I said that you had to experience
on Ever's one and inside of the NFL, and and
you on five sixty and Oino been on TV and
the reason I love I am athletes because Fred Taylor
is smooth. Yeah, he do not as flamboyant, and I
mean that in a positive way as far as camera
lights and TV shows. So Fred was talking about young

(01:33:01):
guns and O G. S and separating the mentorship. I said,
that's it. That's that's why I thought the show was winning,
because Channon is off the chain and you're a superstar
at singular super stuff. But friend, beat to my heart,
I would say that he needs to do hatline because
he got it. He's always we're working on that. But
this is what I'm same to you. That's what we're
saying the same thing. Fend Fred. Fred's thing is finances, money,

(01:33:27):
like he could talk to you about the stock market,
etceter exceter So that's why you don't see Fred etcetera, etcetera.
But when we launched the first season, it was like, okay,
now on the second season to start, when people talk
about iron Manthley, they talk about Fred Taylor free game
and they talk about this boy right here free I
should they talk about Yeah, two seasons, Okay, I'm nothing

(01:33:52):
scripted right, No, like what was current events? You know,
I'm saying, like we're talking about something that's all right
and that's so funny talking about that's coming. That's that's
the that can capitalize on everything. You a lick, yeah, yeah,

(01:34:18):
go to sleep. When he said at the beginning of
show said I'm not gonna to go to sweep sometimes. Bro. Bro,
we'll be shooting sometimes up story if you can. If
that ship can work, bro, the ship will be stupid.
All that ship is people have never seen. I've never bro, Bro,

(01:34:44):
I'm going to sleep, do you. I don't wanna let
y'all understand that this can be so dumb. Yeah, they
don't like when the eggs bill when they kick in. Yeah,
you sing this just say with an X men this. Yeah,

(01:35:11):
I've been talking about this. This is the most at least,
this is the most go that way, man, we gotta
count Listen, you give me the first team in this

(01:35:34):
year too. Test. Everyone knows that's not only our first tape.
And it's the first episode we're released in the one.
We had other things and and and you know, I
got a beautiful call, uh from from from from Brandon.
And then when I was like, man, you know what,
I wanted them all. I was like, nah, man, I'll
do the show whenever they want and appreciate you gotta that.

(01:35:57):
And I was like, you know what, let me just
I just I wanted to give you out your special
first show. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to.
I was like this is perfect. Like I was like,
you know what, I might be greedy by saying, let's
do us first, but so let me ask you have
something Tom Brady and a Tonio Brown right now, the
bucking Okay, the Buckings. Did you think they're gonna do

(01:36:18):
good anyway? First for me? Because all I was Brown?
I was in New England for two years right, the
wrong two years ship. But I mean just knowing Tom,
you know, putting them with Brady. Then you got Chris Godwin,

(01:36:39):
Then you got Mike Kevin's yep, you know what I'm saying.
Then on the deference you got on the show, take
on the show. Show you're trying to get us like
Brot Channing, blank seat look ahead. That was Tampa had

(01:37:00):
to makeup to to go get it done. They can't
be They really can't beat Drew Brees. The offensive line
is is terrible, you know what I'm saying. So I
don't know what's gonna happen on on that side, but
they got they got the makeup to get it done.
Uh my pick from the NFC for for for the
Super bowls uh, don't even page. I mean, I'm drunk,

(01:37:25):
Green Bay Packers, no fu, no, st I just don't
think a B and tongue can get it done. Right now,
I'm gonna opposite the offensive line ain't good, and the
defensive suspect I gotta I'm gonna opposite end of the spectrum.
I look at that like, look, we know on the
NFC you got Green Bay Top Dogs. I like Seattle,

(01:37:46):
But when you think about that team that can come
out of it, it's Tampa Bay. Tom Brady's on the
mission right now, like I mean this, dude, he want
another ring, but it ain't just like I want to
dink and dunk like he trying to do it with
like three and fifty yards pass sent four touchdowns. Just
look at the status the last second half of the season.
On the A f C side, people think about the

(01:38:06):
Kansas City Chiefs and no Essay or President, She's gonna
be like, oh that's her team where she's from. But
the Kansas City Chiefs day nice. But the Buffalo Bills,
I'm telling you right, no, Bro. So for me, I
look at the Buffalo Bios and I look at the
Tampa Bay Bucks as the teams that could potentially go
to the Super Bowl. Tampa Bay Bugs and Buffalo bills.

(01:38:27):
But you know what, but they're not throwing the ball
enough to Gronk And that's why I think they're not
as gronkowskis on Tampa Baby. Like Adam Sandler, he's been
his crewel with him everywhere. He got everything. I'm saying
the most. Ho this dude in Hollywood. I don't know
if you're know no happy Gilmore? Yeah yeah, look his yard,

(01:38:51):
Yeah yeah. Look Look at all the Adam Sandler's movies.
It's all the same people. What does that say to you?
That's that's spires, spikes, that's filling in doing it. Yeah,
I feel like you like dumb movies, say yeah, I

(01:39:12):
love it? Yeah, yeah, so you would look at Mr
Deed's Look at that movie. It's the same people in there,
and you're coming a couple of coming in out, but
always just day. So do you feel do you feel
like he's the who take plan of comedy? Wow? He's
the He's the will, He's Quat's bag. I'm sorry, which

(01:39:33):
but i't go to no. I was just sad to
do another shot, another shot. There ain't no way, There
ain't no way y'll do that. You'll drink like that
on we don't see going light right, be going going
going right, going like oh my goodness, harrd, I'm going
with it. So so okay, everybody's up through me ice

(01:40:00):
cube in my drone on San Angele the clippers. We
gotta get essay a goods out here. We got let's
get it what we got? Hold on a little tip? Right?
What was the what's the white guy who dogs? Don't

(01:40:20):
still got Cort saying some crazy ship by his girlfriend.
She dropped dime modem. Yeah, yeah, and he kept working
her too. He kept something. But have you ever experienced,
because that's one of the biggest things is black coaches
in the NFL, Like we got my homeboy from Pittsburgh

(01:40:43):
coach Tomlin and then they fired him. No, no, no,
they kept Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin been good good, that's
the only one, right, No, no, no, we got So
here's the thing when you talk about black coaches, the
Rooney Rule was put in place for minority coaches to
get an opportunity, right you fast forward what twenty thirty
years later? The Rooney rule, basically the Runal rule basically

(01:41:08):
says that when uh, when organization has the opportunity to
hire general manager or head coach, they have to interview
a couple minority coaches. Okay, so here's so what you
see is they'll bring in black coaches and it's really
not a real interview. They're just trying to eat the quota.

(01:41:31):
So you forward to where we're at now and today.
We went into this year, this season season with four
black coaches and I believe to black general managers. So
now the NFL lad by Troy Vincent, black guy, is
playing more things in place to try to incentivize coaches,
I mean teams and organizations to actually develop and hire

(01:41:54):
minority coaches, general managers and and also coordinators. So so
to your point when you talking about black coaches, this
is actually a hot topic in sports, not just football
but also basketball because you got James Harden and the
other show all the smoke or boards. You know what
the Stephen Jackson say about James hard You got a coach,

(01:42:15):
you got a black coach there, and you instead of
you stay in there and trying to you know, help
him actually launched his career and get it done, you're
trying to run. So like I mean, that was a
whole another discussion, but that's how that conversation is happening,
and in the NBA and also the NFL. Wow, baseball

(01:42:35):
is an interesting sport man, Like you know, even when
you think about like when every guy when when it
got when you know, the pandemic um global pandemic and
then all of a sudden, George Floyd, that happens now
racial tension, staring and now who we throw in the forefront? Athletes,
entertainers lead us. What y'all gonna do all right now?

(01:42:57):
Is an athlete? What you're gonna do, You're gonna play,
You're not going to told Lebron to shut up and dribble.
But then when the vaccine came, they said, didn't take
the vaccine? Why he ain't shut up and dribble? It's
annoys to me. Yeah, I don't even know that. Yeah listen,
So remember remember Lebron was saying I'm more than an

(01:43:18):
athlete whatever whatever, and there was there was a person
that said shut up and dribble and on Fox, Yeah
I don't want to. I don't want to blow them off,
and so but yeah, I don't want to say I'm
on the sad. They said shut up and dribble, and

(01:43:40):
Lebron said I'm more than an athlete. But when this
vaccine came out, that was the first athlete that they
actually publicly, you know, put the broadcast. They said, Lebron,
would you be our hero and take the vaccine? And
I couldn't think of a better thing to say, No,
I'm just shutting up in dribblin. Oh that would have
been like that's they told him to do, like not see.

(01:44:01):
But that's the biggest thing. Though I killed that, but
that's the thing they're trying to put him on the spot.
You know, Like a couple probably about a month month
and a half ago, I think the l A County

(01:44:24):
Sheriff came out and said, Lebron, you're not uh telling
your people to not come out here in protests. He
can't beat that voice, because bron Ce Brun is probably
one of the biggest things that have come in terms
of goats. He's probably one of the big next to

(01:44:44):
Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan. I know we was drinking
Michael Jordan's to killer earlier, but let's just be clear, yea,
the whole thing so taking Jordan's So let me just

(01:45:15):
say something like a lot of these kids, you know,
they wear the Jordan's. Actually I'm forty three years old.
I actually got to see these games, actually got to
or whatever. But I've never seen my Jordan take a
play you forty three forty three? Cong on, bro, Yeah,
I knew. I'm listening to your fucking music, like like
you're the motherfucker. I'm like, like legit, you know, I

(01:45:37):
don't know what legit is, but I'm taking you about
three years on three. I'm forty. He's done what I'm saying,

(01:46:03):
duck me up. I was generation so he can't hurt
him do a political view and you know what back then,
but nowadays it's like you can't act like you don't
know what's going on. Like back then you just said,
you know, I turn Mohammed Ali did it before him. Yeah,

(01:46:25):
but he was different. He did, but he did nothing less.
Don't said Jordan's at the time. With Jordan, Jordan could say,
you know what, I didn't really know what's going on
and I wasn't. Yeah, he could say that bron is
at an era where he can't say that. Not only

(01:46:45):
that he's stepping up to the occasion. Does that make
him a better athlete? You better person? I don't think
pet profession. You know what. Overall, and this is just me,
I'm gonna say, I think Brunn is a better athlete.
We talked about be careful. You know, there's an argument

(01:47:11):
think about athlete. Though Mike did what he did, Mike
played too hard, right, Mike was a small forward, small
small forward Washington number. You know what I'm saying. The

(01:47:31):
only thing come out of Washington is probably some some
some bullet tens you know what I'm saying, some rare
tens or ship. But it right. So Broun had done
more for the culture. We're talking about athleticism. Bron can

(01:47:52):
play every position. Mike, Mike can't play center. You know
what I'm saying. Mike ain't gonna run the four Bronna
run one, two, three, four and five, and he's gonna
talk whatever the fucking coach I need from it. I
would like to be des advocate right now. That's what.
Let me just say something that this is the people
that you know, when you look at lebron legacy and

(01:48:14):
you look at people who's next to lebron legacy, and
you look at people who next to Jordan's legacy, there's
something called killer instant and they said, Jordan's Kobe Killer. Like,
I'll tell you how much I know Kobe didn't have
killer instant. I've seen Kobe like well thirty one o'clock

(01:48:37):
in the morning and Mr childs and I bust your ass.
And you know what Kobe did? He thought about it.
He said, I'm gonna like he thought about playing me
in Queen's Bridge. I'm from that fact. I'm not from
Queen's Bridge, but Mr child on seven Street, the next
bridge over. So I said, yo, we go to Queensbridge
right now, you know what I mean? He he thought

(01:49:01):
about it. He was like really, He's like, you think
you could beat me? North? He that's the killer because
first of all, he supposed to laugh. And I'm telling
you that do you understand you understand the analogy of

(01:49:21):
the killer instinct? And do you think that has that all?
You know? Sometimes I looked at Broun six eight two fifty,
you know, and I don't understand. We want to shoot
the fifteen for the you know what I'm saying, I'm like, damn,
run take it to the rack when but he's not
the best free throw shooter, you know what I'm saying,
and clutch he's not that, but at the end of

(01:49:44):
the day, he's he's made it a lot more clutch
shots than we give him credit for. Like Brown, is
that dude? Yeah, But I don't think that was I
don't think that was the question. It was. More so
it's like, in those defining moments, why didn't he pull

(01:50:05):
the trigger? Why did he defer? Because I don't but
I see on your on the ground, uh, speaking about
Colin Kaepernick. Sorry to get deep, but we're gonna go there.
And one thing you said, you said something you said,
you know, I was thinking about my family. Yeah, I
was thinking about my children. I was thinking about my mom,
your parents, and back in two sixteen. So you didn't nail.

(01:50:29):
But then you started it off and you said, man,
what I would have nail. So I mean, let me
tell you why, because especially you and you understand is
you get this right. So when Cat first took his
knee in two thousand and sixteen, two thousand sixteen, and

(01:50:50):
what he was speaking on, we already was hit to
his brutality, police brutality, but he was also speaking on
other things as well, just like correct but specifically that
we we I grew up in that and and this
is the same part is we're trained to think that's okay. Right,

(01:51:11):
So when Cat was first talking about it, it's like
we built these callalysis. Then we're not training to think
it's okay. We trained and think that that's normal, that
police mutality. Correct but not not it's okay, thanks for correcting,
you know what I'm saying. So when Cat did that,
I was like, like, we've been on that. We know that,
Like this ain't no big deal, you know what I'm saying, Like,
why why are we not? We We've been We've been

(01:51:33):
dealing with that. So for me, it was less about
taking a knee, and it was more so about like
what's the next steps? You know what I'm saying. So
now you're saying two thousand sixty and this is the
difference between the NFL and the NBA. Made you regret
not taking this step, It's because I felt like it

(01:51:54):
got worse. It got worse after no no, no, no no.
I felt like that was a moment, right Like now
it's kind of like what you said, Like you know
what you said. It's like Michael Jordan compared to Lebron James,
like today you have to have a viewpoint if you're
a company, if you're a person, where do you stand?
You know, blackout Monday whatever we call that, if you

(01:52:14):
ain't blocking out people on following you, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
So you gotta have a viewpoint. I feel like it's
easy to talk about black lives matter now. I feel
like it's easy to take a knee. I feel like
it's easy to put on a shirt to say, uh,
you know this person, that person. That's easy. Two thousand
and sixteen it was hard. So for me, it's like
you got a brother sitting there talking about what he's

(01:52:35):
talking about why we didn't come together in the National
Football League, And it was the same thing in the NFL,
like we were divided, we didn't come together, and I
and I'm gonna come back to the entertainment business because
I felt some type of way. But like then you
go to that, you shift from two thousand and sixteen
NFL guys not taking a knee. Then you go to
the NBA, It's like, what are y'all gonna do? What
they did is they all put on a black shirt

(01:52:56):
or something saying what they said and they moved on.
They were on the ain't page I respect that, but
it wasn't like no movement, right. I felt like it
was that was an easy way out. But let me
have yeah, let me tell you the other thing I
felt like because in two thousand and six, and you
gotta understand when I was walking in the locker, when
I walk, when we walk in the locker room and

(01:53:16):
practice after practice, we're talking after practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
we got forty cameras in their face. I'm sitting here
with my tad on. There's forty cameras in my face
every day. The Brandon we're going to at this point
just bloggers, ESPN, NFL never every single day. So we
got to answer these questions, and we got entertainers and
we got other people talking about y'all need to take
a knee, y'all need to take anee. And I'm looking

(01:53:38):
at it like when you did your concert, did you
take your knee? Or and you running this company, why
you ain't taking knee? So that's what I was conflict
conflicted with was and they don't just need to put
the pressure on the athlete. That's not our just our
sole responsibility to carry this load, you know what I mean.
So that's what I that's where I was at in
two thousand and sixteen. But I wish what we would
have done in retrospect is that we would have came together.

(01:54:00):
But the NFL, at times it's too divided amongst the players,
Like like if you call a person to hang out,
they're thinking that you're being like competitive? Is that something
like that? Like let's what was like, No, it's just
more so like we were, so it's what we talked about,
supporting each other, etceteraly we so we think about you know,
our ourselves, our brands, our companies, our businesses, and even

(01:54:23):
when it comes to this moment, you know, instead of
us coming together and saying, you know, let's all take
a knee together, let's all do this together, we don't
think about that. We think about like, Okay, well I
got this deal with Nike, I got this deal with
Beats about dre you know, I got this you know,
so with instead of collectively understanding what we talked about
earlier in the show, the power that we have if

(01:54:45):
we come together, like you like, um, I imagine um
you know Drew Brees, Drew Brees has something really really
like he was like I don't understand why people are
just specting the flag, and that's not what Colin did.
Is disting with backing though. What happens if you hear
a teammates say a comment like Drew Brees, how is

(01:55:07):
that locker room after that? Like it depends on the situation,
like Drew Brees, It's okay to feel how you feel.
There's nothing wrong with what he said. But no, no, no, no, no,
no no mean no no, it's nothing wrong with he's
saying because when he said was very honorable, right, like
your your grandfather served, and we get that. We unders
but that's not the conversation, right right, you know what

(01:55:27):
I'm saying, It's about the timing. We're not talking about
the flag. I'm never talking about the flag. He was
never talking about it. So what happens is when you start,
when you start pushing the conversation to the flag, you're
now taking away that what we're talking about the priority,
and that's black lives matter. That's flag exactly. And that's
what the NFL did in two thousand and six. Team,

(01:55:48):
that's what so many other people did in two talking
about the flag. That's not what counting the Kaepernick said
he took a knee because out of respect for the flag, right,
because he sat there with someone that served and said,
what do I do because it's not about the like,
I'm not trying to disrespect the people, the men and
women who served, right, So he said, it's like just
taking knee instead of sitting down. He's taking knee, And

(01:56:08):
then what do we do? Everybody talking about the flag.
It's never about the flax. So now were four years later,
George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, all these people lose their lives
and now Drew Brees, you go and you're talking about
the flag again. No, you had Malcolm. You have Malcolm
Malcolm Jenkins his teammate crying. You're talking about Drew Brees
on your teammate and I lost all respect for you.

(01:56:30):
That's when he apologized. But what do you think no
more because y'all see it's coming out apologize. How did

(01:56:53):
how did that go across? Was it too late? The
thing is everybody can trying to right this Roger, the commissions.
Everybody's trying button up. I think he realized, you know,
in the midst of of everything that we in the
midst of everything that was going on, right, we can
bring back. I think it makes more sense that we

(01:57:15):
can hold it that he went in the direction that
he went because she came from the NFL about because
it made sense to me when he when he found
out that it was already a movement and the big
celebrity came over as far as let's say, Jay Z

(01:57:37):
and a lot of people were already conducting a lot
of conversations around the whole situation. Then he was able
to say, we should have listened. But you can always
go back and say that, right, you know what I'm saying.
But it's it's easier to button up and be politically
correct than to run out there and stand on your
own shoulders and your own two feet. That's what Cap

(01:57:59):
did when everybody Nobody thought it was sexy when they
did it. You know what I'm saying. We got behind Cap,
but everybody was like, that's and they still try to
deflect what the real picture was. It was never about
the flag. They still run that bullshit to this day.
The last day they're right now then then the Capital

(01:58:20):
doing the stupid ship right now, and they're gonna blame
it on that, you know what I'm saying. But it
ain't never been about it. It's never been about And
if you want to go further, you know, you got
people in position that they will come back and say,
all right, veterans. You know they disrespect veterans. I'd rather

(01:58:43):
for you disrespect disrespect a piece of material then disrespect
that the actual people that went out there and fought
for their fucking lives and for our freedoms. So on
one end you got the presidents and oh, you're disrespecting
a piece of materials immed. But on the other end,

(01:59:05):
he's saying, you know what these cowards like, why the
fund did they go out here and defend this country?
They're stupid at their grave sites and he wouldn't go. Well,
the reason why she's important to this conversation because in
two thousand and sixteen she was actually at the League office.

(01:59:28):
So essays President of House of Athlete. We're partners, she's
my co founder, and uh she has an interesting not
an interesting perspective, but she has a powerful perspective. And
not only because of two thousand sixteen. But think about this,
when did the second, the second move the second, the
second movement of the civil rights? Uh, the second started

(01:59:50):
with yeah, the second Movement of the Civil Rights era?
What was what was that? Trayvon Martin was two and
she was right there with the family. Okay, okay, and
you had the call when yes, you worked for the NFL. Yes,
So after law school, I went to work for the

(02:00:13):
NFL films and then I went to the NFL League
Office and did legal there for four seasons. Wow. See,
And this is this is very like great because people
say not the only they don't hire black, but now
they definitely don't hire a black woman. So you're a
person who was employed. Yes, Well, the league office is
definitely in a better position when it comes to diversity

(02:00:33):
than the teams. I would say, Um, so there's a
lot of black people that work in the league office.
There definitely can be more in leadership. I mean we
really only see Troy Vincent and a few others. Um.
But yes, I was there during the time and it
was really interesting just being in the office and nobody
is talking to us at work and we're seeing kaepern
McNeil people. You go the other cook out and your

(02:00:55):
cousins is like, oh, you would sellout you work for
the NFL. And it's like so we're literally Emily Office, like,
please tell us that we're not black balling, you know,
Kylin Kaepernick, because we obviously don't want to be sellouts.
But we also understand the other side of it too,
and there's always, you know, three sides of the story,
as they say, Um, but yeah, it was interesting. So

(02:01:16):
let me ask you something because this is something that
I hear. Um. I forget what radio host it is
what they say. I think it's Stephen A. Smith. Stephen A.
Smith says, you know, Karlin Kaepernick's position is a wonderful position,
but he has to explain it. And that's something that like, like,
he has never really did. I'm sure I wish you

(02:01:38):
did drink, Chaps, but I might not platform. That's something
that was a problem is because he was kneeling, but
he wasn't really being articulate. He was saying, it's four
police brutality, but he wasn't out there like campaigning it
like interviews. I think it definitely made it more complex

(02:02:00):
because people wanted to hear from him and more of
an interview format. But I also think when he was
answering questions in the locker room that season, everything that
he said was twisted and taking the wrong way so exactly,
like you know, and then he wore the socks with
the pig cop on it. So I think a few
of those things happened. And whether it was him or

(02:02:22):
his management team, I think he's read by w and me.
They probably were like we just like silence, like because
everything you say is going to be twisted. And then
I think it became about the it became about veterans,
and it became about the troops when it has nothing
to do with that. But you know, that's just so
that's a war you cannot win. And the NFL is

(02:02:42):
so entrenched with the military, Like you go to games,
there's tanks over. It's so entrenched with it. You know,
there was you know, there's a there's an actual contractual
partnership with the with the military, so in a good way, right,
Like we want to we want to show love to
the people serving our country. So when someone says you're
anti troops like that, that's just not a conversation you're

(02:03:04):
going to win. Let me ask you, some sister, what
was it as your position? Um? So, yeah, I was
contract coordinator. So I was in the legal department at
the at the league office. So I did all of
the business contracts where it was sponsorships or consumer products,
working on Super Bowl contracts, the entertainment for Super Bowl.
So but I also started our Black Engagement Network, So

(02:03:25):
I basically corralled all the black employees and gave us
a safe space to talk. But then we also challenged
the NFL and wanted to work with the NFL leadership
to help them be better to the black community, right like,
we're like, look, we work for you guys, we love
the NFL. Somebody and the NFL for get well. I
think it was talked about it. It might be more yeah,

(02:03:47):
it's over black and minority. Were there the sec to
where you were telling them, um, you know, I think
it was an interesting time and that they weren't under
so much scrutiny. They certainly were not prepared. They were
called yeah, like they were like okay, cap, Cap is kneeling.

(02:04:10):
But once it became about the flag and about the military,
and again they're so intrenched with the military, it's such
a part of the NFL brand. I really don't think
that they knew what to do, and they didn't have,
you know, all the right voices in the room. And
I think the few voices that were in the room.
Do you think they saw it as a PR nightmare
or was it a culture issue for them? It absolutely

(02:04:31):
started as a PR nightmare. I don't think that they
and I don't think the NFL has ever considered themselves
as an organization that had to speak on these issues,
like they always like, look, we're sports, like, we don't
have to get into the nitty But that was the
first time that the country and the fan base said,

(02:04:52):
I actually do want to know what you think about
these issues, like I do care if you think black
lives matter? How important is it for Cabinet and uh
A Dvornai to be doing that documentary? I think it's huge.
I mean, I think everybody wants to hear from cat right,
like everyone wants to hear from him a different name
name he did? Now they see us? What did it

(02:05:15):
when you see us? So? What are they doing though
they're doing a documentary? I mean n him right, um,
And I mean he has a lot of content and
then um, you know, in the works, and that's where
he really seems to be focusing a lot of just
feel like I feel like I was I was all

(02:05:36):
I'm all with Cat. I just wanted him to explain
a lot of people. And I think I've got a
lot of people like that. Yeah, I'm not with Stephen
and a lot of things. And he's from Queens and
I really respect him. But it's just, you know, it's
just okay. It's it's okay to disagree. I don't have
no beef for him, Like I see him up be like,
what's up? Broke? Yeah, And I don't know if he's

(02:05:57):
he's happened to somebody like that than Queens though, like
when they like legit, I don't know. Let me leave
that alone, you know, Like I feel like us is
different for me, but I don't feel like he's trying
to be. But what I'm saying is when he did
say that about Cap, he said, he said, my only
thing is I want a cap to talk like I

(02:06:18):
wanted to talk and and and everything. Yeah, because you're
you're the face of a movement, and and like you
started this conversation. So when you start this movement, right,
like where is the leader at? And that's where a
lot of the NFL guys struck. He was the leader.
But that's something movement, like someone do something symbolic not

(02:06:41):
knowing that they would have to speak on that. Yeah,
I don't think. I don't think cap knew was going
to turn into this and it'll be this big. But
you are like right now and that's it. It's like,
oh my goodness, like this dude. At the end of
the day, we're gonna look at it. Is like when
we think about the civil rights movements. Literally he's in
the museum for he literally indecent enshrined the hair, like

(02:07:06):
he's a part of history already. I just think that
his strategy was let the people speak for me what
they did till this day. The people are speaking for
cat and that's that's the strategy. May not agree with it,
but that's a strategy. Or did the settlement check for
a little bit? And not only that? I remember, remember

(02:07:32):
I remember, um, all of us black people want Nike
made a deal with him, Yeah Nike. We all went
and research. Everyone was like your Nike. And then there
was an ad to say, you know, guess what, like
he also supports the other side, but what big corporation doesn't.

(02:07:55):
Yeah when when when that night he commercial came out
and they sent a message over political injustice and it
sent the message over what's going on today? And then
at the end they put CAP's face. He had nothing
to do with the commercial order message that you send

(02:08:17):
a message out on we're gonna be understanding and we're
gonna support Cat. But it was just his face on
a commercial. And then the next day the stocks went
up because everybody said not get with him. Yeah, but
it was right right you your You gotta treat you
like wrangular gas a little corner. That's no, no, not

(02:08:39):
that's not your that's not you're my friend and me
and your family. That's okay, man. But I really, I

(02:09:03):
really when I when I when I watched football, I
really thought the only thing that made me start thinking
like there's discrepancies that happened in football was things like
ball is any given Sunday and things like that, because
I never really cared about what happened do you get

(02:09:24):
to the finish line. I didn't care what happened in
between the finish line, as long as you got to
the finish line. And that's fucking so terrible of me
as a fan. As a fan, I should be just
as indulged and involved. And when we hear stories like this,
the journey of you know, I tell you, I tell

(02:09:47):
you know how much science you dropped today? And you
said how much a player has expand from three to
four years. And there's some kid right now that's listening
to this and say, well, I'm gonna kill it in
that three or four years. All right. But but the
thing about what this kid is saying is twenty one

(02:10:09):
when you come in to the NFL, y'all start rapping
seventeen sixteen. You know what I'm saying? When week in
the NFL you twenty one, one, three or four years,
that's the life expectancy. You're twenty five for a lot
of these guys where they come from. Five. What the
fund you're gonna do at twenty six through forty? But

(02:10:31):
that's average lifespan of American citizens like sixty four or
sixty five years old when you retire, you see the
three what are you gonna do? From the black man
for open locking? Thirty five? Because you're a pressures, you're

(02:10:53):
from Phocky, you're about twenty. You're that pressure for real.
They're not sucking around. So what you're gonna through from
five to fifty, that's half, that's a whole another plus
times too. You know what I'm saying. So when you're
in the NFL, when you're in that window, we come
in there saying, right, I just don't get paid. We're

(02:11:15):
not thinking business unless you That's what I'm saying. Unless
you this. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, no,
what is that? I don't know what that if you're white.

(02:11:37):
But we don't come from that culture. We don't come
from the background where people know about life insurance. You
know what I'm saying. They don't know how to monetize that.
We don't come from where you gotta be button up
and uh, this is a real structure. So you just
dropped the gym and you went too fast for monetizing
life insurance. That's a that's a that's that's yeah. Yeah,

(02:12:02):
we're in America. The oldest business in America's banking. The
next oldest business is insurance. Isn't the oldest business prostitution.
It's teaching, Yeah, it's teaching, teaching, you know, but but
this is the problem. Teachers don't make enough money. Absolutely,

(02:12:23):
and nobody think about teaching, and they don't getting they
wanted right now. They want it right now. So let's
talk about banking. But more importantly, let's talk about insurance
is the biggest fucking pyramids. You're gonna pay insurance your
whole life. You might not have to never use that ship.
But guess who get rich the insurance company. So we're

(02:12:48):
gonna figure out how we get paid. So life insurance.
We never been put on that game. You got a homeboy,
you you probably got not you are you like for
for for at them. But let's say your health bad
as a motherfucker, right, you can have a homeboy who's
an evaluator who's gonna come in and see what type

(02:13:09):
of help you qualify for it. He can you a
plus one on one the top health you know, uh premium,
the lord's premium, but the top health that you can
qualify for that scam or no used to scamum great health.
You might be a one low premium. You can get

(02:13:31):
a five million dollar policy. You can die tomorrow. Oh no,
my bad. You can die yesterday because the insurance they
say you can die yesterday, not tomorrow. They don't want
to jink you. But you canna die yesterday. Your policy
might be five million. Guess who's gonna be the beneficiaries
of that? You might be paying ten thousand dollars a year.

(02:13:51):
But in order to get a five minute dollar policy,
you got a million dollars in debt. They pay your
debt off. You got a five million dollar policy. Your
kids they get four million in their banks in the bank. Yeah,
the white people have been doing that ship for centuries.
Black folks don't know ship about that, about it now

(02:14:15):
because I like, it's not it's not it's not like
it's not a bad thing. It's not it's not like
it's not a bad business. Yeah, yet understand that, know
how it affects you. But think about stop being stop
thinking so day to day generational Like that's what we got,
generational wealth. So when am I leaving to my kids kids?

(02:14:37):
So I feel like I can leave my kids how
much money? And then what are they gonna do with that?
But but also the thing is we got to add
a conversation with our kids about like this is why daddy,
this is why mommy making these moves right, So like
why like you know, they pull up to our property.
My kids are five years old, they can say this's
a commercial realists, commercial real estate, it's investment property. They

(02:14:59):
understand at the age of two and three, I'm talking
to my kids and I'm like, here's your fund, like
every every quarter. I'm talking to my financial advisors, right,
and they're talking to me about my portfolio. We got
stock in here. We're playing the loan game there. You know,
we got this mutual bun. We got this bomb and
then also we got our our our state planning in place.

(02:15:21):
So my kids is straight. My wife people that don't
correct to think about this. So at that at the
age of two, I'm sitting in Dumbo. I'm in New
York playing for the Jets, and I remember I remember saying,
that's fun. And I said, like they I know they too.
They can barely damn talk. They don't have a full
vote like the fast right. So I'm sitting down. I'm like,

(02:15:45):
I'm gonna start this conversation now. I'm like my financial
virless had explained to them, don't tell me tell them
about their money, because then they're five and they can
tell you that daddy. You know, my son told me
the other day, he said, Daddy don't want a car.
He just turn six December seventeen, Z three. Marshal. He said,
they don't want a car, and he got like these
little four wheelers. I said, okay, what other four whitherers?

(02:16:07):
You want something? He said, don't want a real car.
He's someone Lamborghini. I said, okay, we're gonna set up
a business and I'm gonna teach you how to get
that and by the age of twelve, you're gonna have
that Lamborghini. Okay, and then we're gonna buy the one
that appreciate so and that's when we an't what they said, right,

(02:16:27):
all right, hope, Hope is God and in the culture
right Tom Brady and Ship, he didn't get there just

(02:16:48):
by being who you had people you know in this
pipeline that say, all right, this is how you know,
this is how you structure your ship. This is how
you get to where you want to be. We have
people in pipeline, but those relationships that you gotta take
hold of and manifest, right, because we don't always know.
I ain't know ship about life insurance. But that's a play,

(02:17:10):
you know what I'm saying. At the end of the day.
And if you got those relationships, because I firmly believe
that life is I need per cent when you know
what you get to this point that you can't go further.
The relationship that you're holding you keep, it's gonna take
you first networking, You don't you don't have the same
people around you though, like you think about it, the

(02:17:30):
white the white player, they have an uncle that's a lawyer,
another uncle that they have an unclottle father that played
in the sport before them. But they have they have
a parent, a father, a grandfather that played in the
sport before that, my father White people. Yeah, but but

(02:17:55):
but but this ship is so deep, but it goes
was back so so much further. Like I mean, they
we were taught in condition to think a certain way.

(02:18:17):
But but but but like everything is come, it comes
back to relationships. Right, So if you had people in
position to teach you and show you, all right, I
like you, I'm gonna show you how to get it.
Your job is to show the next one next get it.
You know what I'm saying. But we don't always do that.

(02:18:38):
We don't take advantage that. So in terms of just
going back to life insurance, right, you smell you, you
pay a small premium, you go in three million dollar
whole life policy. It might cost you on an annual basis, No, no, no,
twelve bingo for for some companies happen in the sex.

(02:19:02):
Some some companies you can going off yourself like we
were cool. Right. No, no, no, no, I'm just telling
you what we're just talking about. No, Mo'm gonna tell
you we type men you I can be. I can
work for the insurance company as a as a examiner.
I'm coming to you. I know you're health fucked up.

(02:19:25):
You you you out of here in the month. I
just think it right here, right, but you got to go.
But I can come to see. I can come to you.
You know you got thirty days left this weeks. Keep

(02:19:47):
it up here. I got thirty days, you got thirty day.
I can come to you and get a one prefer
come ahead thirty days like you gotta go. I'm gonna say, girl,

(02:20:13):
I'm right now. I'm gonna ten thousand a month. Ten
thousand a year is your premium. Girl. But for that
ten grand, I'm gonna give five mill if Earl got
a million dollars in debt. But I'm gonna give Earl
five mill right when he when he expired, Earl funked up.

(02:20:34):
I'm not supposed to give Earl the preferential to one
credit but you in. But we're cool. You know what
I'm saying. Insurance is a scam because we got a relationship.
Understand the game. You know what I'm saying, it's the game.
So a Earl, your your health. You bad been You've

(02:20:55):
been die in thirty days, Earl. But I'm gonna give
you Top one, which is the cheapest premium. You gotta
pay ten bands. You play the ten bands, you get
five million insurance. Right, you got a million dollars debt.
When you die, guess what your family get five meal
minus the meal you're not. Your people get four million dollars.

(02:21:17):
But that has to be ran or is that like
part of the will or that that's what we're talking about.
Think about the people don't know that you gotta think
about to catch it down. We think about Look, we
got this amount of time, three or four years to
make our money. We got to be conservative. So when
I think about the stock market, I'm not going in

(02:21:38):
the stock market thinking about Neo is the number one
stock more and my neighbor told me at the beginning
of pandemic, invest in Neo. It's an electric car over
an Asia somewhere doing this number one. But we can't
you know why I didn't make that investment, Because no,
it's not because I don't trust him. I trust him

(02:21:59):
because he lived next to me and he got a
big old house. He's good, good, he's been doing it
for fifty years. The reason why I do it because
they tell us, as at professional athletes, you gotta play
the loan game in the stock mark because if you
study the stock market over ten twenty years, don't matter
what happens, you ride that wave out because this is
the curve right. So so when you're sitting down as

(02:22:20):
a professional athlete, we're taught, you know, like, look, we
gotta be conservative. So they present to us the insurance
like the you know, the life, the life, the life
insurance policies, and they sell you that this is an
investment vehicle. It's not really about when you die because
we don't really need to I don't need to have
life insurance because I got thirty forty million cash in

(02:22:43):
the bank that I can get to right now, or
in the market I can get I can make liquid
right now, but life insurance. So the goal is the
goal isn't that? But it doesn't matter what you at.
The more shots you at you know what I'm saying,

(02:23:04):
Like you might not get you might not get ten million,
but you can maybe ever leave your your family. For me,
my grandmother got life insurance on you know, a policy,
and if she passed right now, there's a million dollars
right there. And guess what, there's a there's a there's
a uh, there's something. I'm not gonna go out there

(02:23:24):
as well that they do that intentionally, like, look, I
have life insurance and this is gonna go back to
the family, and this is how we create generational wealth.
But but what we sunk up at is what b
was saying, all right, you a lot of rappers are
gonna they're gonna go I got my shot. I'm gonn

(02:23:48):
let you get away with that. You know is double
every time you let me take my lifestyle. Yeah, every
show that we got to do right now, but I finished.

(02:24:12):
Let me get back to my point, right, A lot
of a lot of rappers out there that's going to
go and get the two d fifty dollar Uh watch
what not? The paddock? The paddock? You know what I'm saying,
what was that? So instead of doing that, let's just

(02:24:37):
say they're taking ten thousand a year that's the two watch.
They're taking ten thousand a year on life insurance and
putting in a life insurance. They're gonna get a policy
that so three meals they get. You know, and now
you're in the you in the position where your lifestyle
it's in a fortunate situation, but your lifestyle resting piece

(02:25:00):
of king Vugh. You know what I'm saying. When you
live that type of you know that that action. You
know what I'm saying. You gotta protect your life. You're
gonna look out for your people when you're alive. You said,
I want to look out for my people, But you
gotta understand generational wealth. I wouldn't look at my for
my people when I'm out of here. My man just
gonna look out for him. Life insurance gonna look out

(02:25:22):
for him. If you're gonna go off on the ten
two fifty dollar watch, that's twenty five years at ten
thousand dollars a year premium. How many times? But we
don't know that I can be getting we we we
we we don't know that. If you're in't debt. If
you werein't debt, you got three million dollar life insurance
policy you and that a million dollars you die, right,

(02:25:46):
the policy is gonna take care of your debt. Now
you've got one point five million to get to your
jets as the beneficiary. But they don't teach us that
I don't know that ship because I know, I know
a lot of people don't have Jones said. We had
Jones on earlier. You know, um, he said that being
a rapper it's the most dangerous job in America. They

(02:26:06):
all agree, you know what, you know what the reason
why it seems like today the reason why I agree
this is why I agree this. This is this is
why I agree. You look at perception, you look at
the music. You know, people can't differentiate between entertainment in

(02:26:28):
real life and reality. You got people following Jim Jones,
that's gonna say, all right, he talked about uh, we
know whatever you're talking about, gangster bricks, whatever it might be.
You got a lot of young boys that's following him
that that love the culture. Right, they can't differate, differentiate

(02:26:50):
between the two. They might go out there and try
to run bricks, but they might go out there and
try to keep the three six five and the hill.
You know what I'm saying. So they can't. They can't
figure hear it out. Hold on, they can't. They can't
figure that out. So that's the best gun on the
market already. So but they can't deferate between the two.

(02:27:14):
So who who's leading them? You know what I'm saying.
So at the end of the day, the reason that
becomes dangerous because you've got real gangsters out there that
think this nigga who're talking about it, running around with it.
So when we when we meet up, I gotta get
a jump on you. So you gotta keep your head up.
And that's a I think it's like a tugger ward

(02:27:39):
a lot of tension in the rap game right now,
because what I look at is like the o g
s in the game right and I'm gonna start with Hove,
but we all know who Hove is. But you can
see how Rick Ross is moving down even to change
you fat Joe, showing that when the game is over,
you can go get a bigger bag creating content I

(02:27:59):
shoose podcast, right. But then there's this generation now where's
kind of like we're going backwards where they like, you know,
uh being affiliated, you know, talking about shooting and killing
like y'all took the whole game to a whole another level,
like this is where he was, but now we're mature.

(02:28:20):
We got exposed to this. I've been through this. I
was at Death Jam Earth said this to me. I
didn't understanding at this point. Now four years and six
years and ten years and I traveled the word you said,
dudes the doorf Germany. Correct, dude, the door Germany. A
lot of people don't understand that you traveled the world exposed,
and you always say this exposure equals expansion. So you're

(02:28:45):
coming back and get shilling the game, like yeah, that's
what we was talking about, but think it's different now.
But so now you've got these o g s on
this side talking about, like let me go buy a
title because we're talking about streaming, and then like let's
be let's own. You're talking about, let me create drink
Drink Champs, and then I can I can franchise this
the same way they franchise see inside of Miami cs

(02:29:08):
Cside Vegas. So now we're gonna go to Drink Smoke Champs.
Let's pick up to Um yeah yeah yeah he Didduce,
and let's also pick up Drink Champ boys front of

(02:29:29):
Social media chan sports, and we didn't spend it. We're
doing that. We're doing that not looking We're trying to
get warrants at the host drink chap sports. We don't
think I want to do it about that. So now
you got like he teaching us the game. Like even
when when he called me, he said, yo, you know,
let's you want to come to the show, etcetera, etcetera.
And I'm talking about what I'm doing. I'm like, look,

(02:29:51):
I'm really learning this right now. He's like, all right,
I got you. Boom boom boom boom boom. I said,
what like that? He said, yeah, he teaching me the game. Right.
So but now you got to other young rappers on
on the other side, and they're talking about they think
that's the thing, you know, selling drugs, killing whatever, right, Like,
if that's your lifestyle you live, we all come from
those places. But you just brought up something something so

(02:30:15):
so beautiful just right now. It is because a lot
of people they don't want to bridge the gap, right.
I want to ask you. I want to ask you
because me personally, I know that there's a lot of
young brothers I want to talk to. They're gonna have
those three four years in the league the same way,

(02:30:35):
and they're gonna be gone. But some of them are
so arrogant. I don't want to waste my time because
I remember when I was there. But that's why I
gotta keep, you know, jury on, I gotta keep all
the gotta keep so they know, like nigga, I ain't

(02:31:00):
heard nothing, I ain't none. Listen, I got what you got.
I got that shot out that. That's our culture. Most
of them, it's unfortunate that won't. They won't one. So
it is that like that talking about that today, I
was on, you know, inside the NFL talking to Kill

(02:31:21):
Sims and it's like, I'm a wide receiver, played thirteen
years in the National Football League. Then my numbers is crazy.
Reach out to these things and there's nothing. I actually
reach out to the dudes, and I was dumb, you know,
I would say dumb because I did what I was
supposed to do. I reached out to him. I'm like, yo,
let me show you how I made it the thirteen

(02:31:44):
years and how I did what? Huh, Antonio Brown. I
reached out to Broum. I do like a b you
know what I'm saying. And I think that you know,
we all go through things and I never had that discussion.
But I reached out to him. We never had that
discussion similar situation. Probably you reach other people like I
can't get that call back. Definitely did, but but it's
it's it when you're not relatable anymore, Like when you're

(02:32:06):
talking about that that that is so true. They don't
see what you want from me. Oh you're hurting right now? No, bro,
Like I got everything I need. I'm just trying to
show you. See, they don't want to talk to you.
They think you want something from them. So there's a
lot of wide receivers or people guys in the NFL
that I reach out to and they won't even train

(02:32:28):
out my facility. They don't even text return my call.
And we talk about college kids and I'm like, bro,
were you trying to go? I did that at the
highest level thirteen times. But they had a level of
celebrity that you guys didn't have, right, Like social media

(02:32:49):
has made them like they're in college and they're literally celebrities.
Y'a wouldn't have that, and NFL players are literally not
you know, you have to helme. A lot of people
go to the girl support, and people will not know
who you are unless you're in that earlier you have
the thing. But these these kids now, like if you

(02:33:09):
play for a big school, you probably have a hundred
hundred couple hundred thousand followers right Like you're already a
celebrity in your head, So your ego is going to
be so much more inflated. Like NFL players are just
going to be more down to earth than NBA players
because a lot of them, you go only where people
literally don't know who you are. Like there's NFL players
that you're at the door of the club and they're
gonna be like, yeah, I'm sorry, Like I don't know

(02:33:31):
you know what I mean fights. I got to Miami
when I was y'all coming down here, like you don't
know who I am. I just went to the propol.
Let me tell this is different, is different street. Let
me tell you what I was playing for. My last

(02:33:52):
Cup of team, my last Cup of Team New York
Giants two thousand and eighteen. We stunk it up. I
was stay not taking it up, goat. I ain't know
nothing about no Supreme bro, Like I'm like, you know
what I'm saying. I don't really find close. So I'm
out in New York. Everybody talking about Supreme, Supreme Supreme.
So I pulled up. I'm hurt. Now, I'm done for
the year. I'm with my wife. I go to SOHO

(02:34:13):
and I see this line wrapped around the New York
the area area. I see a line wrapped around the corner.
I pull up and I'm like, where's these people? Like
three blocks and I get to the front and I
see Supreme and said, oh, that's the brand that O'Dell
Backham Junior talking about and Sterning Shepherd. Let me go
check them out. Let me pull up now anywhere I

(02:34:34):
go in the country like they're like, oh, yeah, that's love,
come on in. I go to the front of the line.
I'm like, yo, it's just me and my wife. I'm harbling.
I just had surgery. I just I just want to
check the brand now. I really like, you know, I'm
hearing a lot about it. You know, I'm late to
the show, you know, but I want to see what
I'm talking about. No, no, no, no, no, this is
what they This is what the bouncer told me. He said,

(02:34:55):
bro y'all got three wins on the season right now,
and you yo, I see yo. Even we were in Miami,
no more, no sixteen. Even they they told me something

(02:35:20):
back and like you ain't getting it, and I said,
I just want to go check it out me quick.
He said, go to the back of the line. And
then that five sold. He was big, but it was
like six. He was big. Y. I ain't. Don't think
about nothing. I don't my mom like I really lost
it because I felt kind of disrespected my wife, like

(02:35:42):
like you understood. People get to pull out their phone
right now. You're tripping right now, like I lost it.
But Miami ain't too far off to you. Ain't got
five kicks with you in the line. Back in the line, buddy,
don't get anyone. You shot it ready board. I'm sorry,

(02:36:07):
the boy says the biggest shot, because that's I said,
taking what the boar today, y'all taking care of nor
I know the game. You should have plex with you
in Miami. Let's go place the heat on it. Let's

(02:36:29):
keep the heat one. When he when he shot himself,
that's my little brother. I'm not just when I want money.
When he caught that ship on his helm against Patriots, Yeah,
he brought the big boy because I will be honest.
When when Pleax got corp with the gun shot it sell,
that's when the public knew that it's no different from

(02:36:53):
y'all and rappers. You know right, y'all be having sudden house.
This is my thing, re plex and that's my little brother.
I text him before I came. You know what I'm saying.
He told me to tell you what's up. That's name,
So my my thing with Plexes. I'm like, yo, uh
he from v A, Virginia Beach Vig Newport News. The

(02:37:17):
boys Virginia dudes, they something else. Dude, it's like our Philly,
right Virginia. You know they watched it. But I told Black,
I'm like, yo, bro, fun that glock ain't no safety

(02:37:39):
on it, ain't no satans on the block. So here
in the club and why, you know what I'm saying,
in the middle of the city. And sweatpants. So he
trying to keep it in his hip, but the sweatpants loose,
so when it fell, he just tried to catch it
from falling and he shot his self in the leg.

(02:38:01):
And he was just going out to chill. You know
what I'm saying. Behind Bloomberg at the time, he won't
having it. So they prosecuted hard, and the next thing
you know, he was up by Syracuse, locked up and
vegetation was the only thing we could do. But he
got through it, you know what I'm saying. But still
for the young boys, like you gotta do whatever you

(02:38:23):
gotta do to get by, but his rules you gotta follow.
Like I feel like rappers, they're always on guard for
being rock. I feel like I feel like I feel
like athletes. Sometimes we obligous, you know what I mean,
Like when you at roper, like a lot of times,

(02:38:46):
you know, you you think when you think about the rappery, like, oh,
he comes from the street, he understand he affiliate, etcetera, etcetera.
So you understand the streets. You understand how to move
in the streets. Athletes, we really college boys. We went
through the system, come from a discipline. We come but yeah,
but we come from we come from send me present
of us, come from the same neighborhoods. But we know

(02:39:07):
that kid gonna make it. We know we're gonna make it.
So he good, you know, he good good? Right, So
we come through this system and then when we get
to the league, what happens is you start going to Miami,
you start going to New York, you go to Vegas,
you go some of these bigger markets, and you don't
understand that how to move in those areas rappers like,

(02:39:30):
it's that's the lifestyle. You understand that we're going to
the same places. We don't got no bouncers, We ain't
got no security. I'm the man, I'm this, I'm that
in New York. Taught me that lesson, right, Like I
went to New York and and and just me, my wife,
my homeboy. He was in the league, and his fiance.
We was at Marquis Nightclub and we're sitting there and

(02:39:50):
the fight breakout next to us. We ain't got nothing
to do that. We're just chilling. I ain't got no security,
ain't got none of that. I just signed one of
the biggest deals in NFL history for at the wide
receiver position, the biggest deal right went over with Larry Fitzgerald.
I'm sitting there feeling good, chilling, no problems, fight breakout
and coming to our our spot. You know, I'm I'm like, yo,

(02:40:13):
like chill, chill, And then it happened again. Chicks fighting,
but they deep dudes. Everything bottles start getting thrown at
the end of the night, so my wife get hid
in her mouth. Boom, split everything open. I don't know
how we made it out of there, because like, I
just remember everybody coming and I pick up my wife
and I'm going, I just like, I get my wife
out of here. I get her out of there right

(02:40:33):
after that, right, you know what I'm saying. You know,
I was sued. A lady said that I'm the one
that did it because she saw the opportunity Brandon Marshall,
the football player did that had nothing to do with that.
Four years my name dragged through the mud. I go
to court. I'm going through everything. We got the footage,
we got all of that, but I'm getting crushed. I

(02:40:54):
ain't gett no marketing deals, nobody touching me. Oh this
is boom boom boom, boom boom. We finally I get
my day in court. They showed the footage that ain't
Brandon Marshall throwing a punch, Brandon Marshall holding his wife right,
And in that moment, it taught me something. And then
this is what I always teach my guys, because every
year we're bringing around thirty college guys going to the draft.
We house and we feed, and we do all their

(02:41:16):
medical we prep them for for the for the combine.
And I always tell them, I'm saying, like, all right,
we're gonna go out tonight. We're gonna go to Club Live,
hottest club in Miami. Walk me through the whole scenario
from eight pm to eight pm and eight a m.
Next day. And and then they always missed one thing. Athletes,
they always say like, yo, we get you take a

(02:41:37):
club this and that. I'm like, where was the security?
You don't got the security, but you know you can
take an extra hundred dollars, two hundred dollars to the bouncer.
Just stay right here, right. So, New York taught me
a valuable lesson is how to move like a boss.
And that's always what I tell my guys. I say,
you're you're a professional athlete. Moved like a boss. Right.

(02:41:57):
You will never see a boss move go to certain
places and not be protected and not do certain things
because you are a target. New York taught me a
valuable lesson figuring. So, so, what was your favorite thing
in in in the NFL to work with um? I
would say, really just creating a space for black people.

(02:42:21):
Oh sorry. You know before they didn't even use the
word black. Like when I said I wanted to start
the black engagement at work for black employees, they were like,
so like, yeah, Like, can we just say minority people
of color? I was like, no, we're saying black black.
Our our experenses are different, and we have respect for

(02:42:42):
other people's experiences, but ours are different and we should
have a safe space for that. And I feel like
that's what made my time worth it at the NFL
because you have these I see all the black players,
they meet me and they're like, I didn't even know
a black woman worked at They They're just not used
to seeing it, right, even though you go to the
big colleges, they don't live black girls around any football programs.

(02:43:02):
They don't let black people around the football program unless
you're coaching. So to see me, they're like oh, And
I'm like, okay, this is an opportunity. But I also
think like we didn't feel heard. So that's what made
my time worth it at the National Football League was
creating a space for black people. And it's still there,
it's still living on and I think that's what's important
because NFL. The NFL had to realize that your black employees, like,

(02:43:24):
they matter and you have to listen to them, just
like your black players matter and you have to listen
to them. And it's the same thing. So that's what
made my time worth it. And then obviously there's getting
to work with players. And you know, I worked with Brandon,
I worked with Julius when I was at the Carolina Panthers,
Julius Peppers um the Julius Peppers. So I think we
established this a little bit earlier. Like sometimes like the

(02:43:46):
quarterback is like the even though he's not the leader,
he's like the coach. Right. So now when you look
at it, how many black quarterbacks we got? We got eight?
We got Dak Prescott, help me out here at the
Jackson Baltimore, Ravens, Russell Wilson, the one we're talking about, right, No,

(02:44:15):
you got Kyler Murray. No Murray, He's like we already.
So we only got a handful. Last year was a
year at the black quarterback though, like that was the
most that there have been because people don't realize, I
would say maybe even just ten years ago, we were
told that you're not smart on to play quarterback like

(02:44:37):
Michael Vick was called athletic. He was never called smart,
he was never called strategic, he was never called a
football genius. My homeboy. But but nobody ever talks about
your words. I just wanted to defend him. As you know,
now we're getting to the point where black players, I mean,
even like Reggie used to be on the show, Reggie

(02:44:58):
said that he used to be quarterback and then meeting him,
let me let me, let me, let me, let me
pick you up because you're all so right now I'm
thinking of what the footage I watched of Michael Vicke.
That's the exact word they use. They didn't use smart,
because being a quarterback is you're you're watching the field.
This is a chest. You should be the smartest person

(02:45:19):
you and the one is probably you. Absolutely, But when
they're talking about they never because and Tom Brady they
say he's a gene. They say football i Q. Even basketball,
they never say that about black football players, and even

(02:45:40):
black like Lamar athletic. You're talking about Lamar Jackson. But
Patrick Mahomes there now they're like, okay, he's smart, and
he's but even still it's more so he's a freak
like right, like they're still not saying like talking about
him like Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. And that's just

(02:46:00):
a discrepancy. So you look at if you search football
i Q and headlines, I guarantee you're not gonna find
many black players that they're talking about. And that's why
we were so to your thing. That's why you know
a lot of people was disappointed in Dwayne Haskins because
it's like when you look at Dak Prescott, DeShawn Jackson,
Deshaun Watson, excuse me, Russell Wilson has done for the

(02:46:21):
position right and how the revolution because he pushed it forward,
you know, like you know, like we're talking about simple coverage.
You know, a lot of you might understand Shanshan not
excuse me, Dwayne Haskins basically COVID nineteen protocols for the NFL.
You gotta do certain things. He was in the strip club.
He didn't have a mask. Y'all got it, I got it.

(02:46:46):
But that's that goes back to it. He's me, no,
he's me right. But like we're coming into the NFL
and coming into these positions, whether it's entertainment or basketball,
we gotta understand how big the platform is and how
big the businesses. So for him, he's coming in like
I made it like no one. God, he wasn't at
the door telling him like yo, I just want you

(02:47:08):
to know, don't celebrate. But like about a book, dude, No, no,
that's not true. No that's not true. And we're not
talking about No, he didn't do nothing terrible. He didn't
do nothing about what it is. It's like when we're
talking about culture and production. It's culture is like making
sure you're doing the right things. And the quarterback you are,
the CEO of the franchis to the face of the franchis.

(02:47:30):
You gotta lead up and you gotta leave down alright, pop,
all right? So you got that. And then also from
a production standpoint, just doing your job and and and
that's what we're at. It is like, instead of you
doing certain things, we need you to make sure when
you drop back, you understand your progressions. You understand it's
covered three, So cover three. I'm working this side. But
if they flow to this side and it's covered one

(02:47:53):
post not read. Now I'm going on this side, and
now I go one to three, and you got do
that split you gotta do that like that. So now
I come out to the line of scriments blue thirty two,
Blue thirty two, the mic fifty fives the mic right,
like you're getting all this information? All right, Pope, priests
not read before I hike the ball. I know I'm
working this side because of what the defense is showing me. Okay,

(02:48:14):
So now I get the ball. I dropped back. They
do something different. So now I had this process in place,
so where if they if they stay what they was doing,
I'm gonna one to three back. That's what it is easy.
But then they go to something else holding I'm gonna
tell mother might to get there. So now they did
something else. Post now took the ball. They went from
here to here. Now I gotta go bang bang bang,

(02:48:36):
And you got to do that in a blink of
an eye. You gotta study, you gotta do your job.
So all these things that Russell Wilson, dak Presscott did,
they now we're certainly had the conversations to essays point
high football, i Q black quarterback is more than an athlete.
So that's why you know a couple of people, well,
people was kind of upset with the Wayne Haskins because
not doing his job press on him. But it's the

(02:48:59):
right one because if you do the right play, they're
gonna congratulate you. You do the wrong play, they're gonna
tell you why if he would have been producing on
the field, can suck on the field. Dwayne Haskins, junior
from Washington Football Football. I like how you said, still
make that mistake, make that mistake. I just want to
shot my homie out. He's he coaches kids, so this

(02:49:21):
is all very annortant. No mean him, let me talk,
but it's gonna look but that's real though, he wasn't
producing on the field. Like if you're if you're a
star on the field, you're gonna get some grapes. But
that's why I went into that story because all that
what I just said, I did that intentionally. I didn't

(02:49:42):
do that to show you how much I know football.
I'm saying, like, that's crazy. A lot of people don't understand.
People probably think you go out there, you're just I'm
just throwing the ball. And you know, there's a process.
You gotta read and you gotta study. So you right back, Yeah,
you gotta do it. You gotta do what you gotta
want to stop, do a good job in the classroom
and make to show you're being a pro. And I
think like to Fred's point, because we talked about this

(02:50:03):
on the show, and a lot of times we crushed
our guys and we had these conversations on these shows
and we don't really reach out and say, look, all right,
look you made a mistake. Now let us give you
the game. And here it is. So Fred was like, look,
we're gonna reach out to you and if you need us,
we're here. You did that, Fred did that? Fred. Fred

(02:50:25):
to me, I already already said it. I like, I
am athletes because of what you are and Channing because
I listened to him on six AM in Miami, Andsinko's
already we illuminated. But Fred to me feels like I
know him, like I grew up with somebody like you.
You know. So I relate to Fred tell a lot

(02:50:46):
more than what I do with everybody else. But it's
all love. But you know, to me, that's dope. I
am athlete with a great idea of few fifteen. I'm
trying to lose weight, so I'm following that. I'm ting,
but I do want to give a shout out because
we drink champe Does as a podcast that we started
four years ago to get flowers to all our five

(02:51:06):
years ago, five years ago the legends when when when
it comes to sports, you guys on a different regiment
as far as routine, health wise, execution, commitment. And for
you to be one of the Bears top one hundred players,
for you to be in a ten thousand yard rush
club members club chanting to do his shin and Ocho

(02:51:28):
Cinco to be everything he is to me, I'm a
sports guy, like he said, coach kids, He's all up
to you exactly, and for you to be beve bade
Mouth City for everybody else does bring it out. We
got some gifts. That's what it is you're talking about.
You're talking about am I good right here? Yes? Yeah,

(02:51:52):
you're talking about like health and worldness and you're trying
to lose weight. That's you know, we talked about finances earlier,
but we also got to head that conversation see about
helping wellness. So y'all talked to me earlier about what
I want to do, Like I know, I want to
own a team. My passion, my purpose is to help
people eat better. Train better, so we're not struggling because
how we eat and how we approach that like it's

(02:52:12):
killing us. So you know, that's what House of Athlete is.
And I don't even know if I can open this.
I got some gifts for y'all. We formulated supplements, man,
we got care, We got all of that right, and
we gotta create a space in our community where people understand.
You gotta we gotta create a space in our community
where we're understanding what a healthy car is, where the

(02:52:34):
healthy fat is, with healthy veggie is, what the health
what the healthy protein is. We don't know that fried
chicken fast food. No, that's not the way. You know
what I'm saying. So we got some stuff for y'all. Alright,
you're gonna put it over. I'm on the camera. We

(02:52:54):
got in there. Okay, what the hell? So uh we
go that's something I know that hoo do you got everything? Everything? Everything,
quality everything? Because you said it Earlier's like, not only
do we have an idea, we gotta make sure not
only the product is good, but the systems and the operations.
So when I go to your website and I buy

(02:53:16):
something from you, because I want to support you, am
I going to get that in three days? Do you
have a fulfillment center only set up? Do you have
email marketing set up? Do you have a bandit card?
Do you have Do you also understand that that customer
you just spent twenty dollars to acquire that lead? Now,
how do you retain that? We're talking about lifetown value

(02:53:38):
of a customer. You gotta set up systems and they
gotta be automated. You've done this before. Hey, no, I'm
studying it. Yea, we got you the gray set and
then the black sweater that actually for you Too's gonna
share what I read. Try to get a kippie's hat.

(02:54:02):
And then here's the supplements, right, mental fitness, mental health
for me? Thank you, thank you. You talked about post
traumatic wrap. Yeah, sit down real quick, but supplements real quick.
This is vintament I'm taking among everybody. Deal with anxiety.

(02:54:25):
That's just natural, that's mental fatigue, fall anxiety, just something
that we can just knock the edge off. That's all organic.
Spending time with the best officers in the world, the
people that helped the formula that rest supplement, we are
we are sleep depride. You talk about science and you
talk about just why we are sick, it's because a

(02:54:46):
lot of times if we don't get the fundamentals down.
Do you get just seven eight hours of sleep every night? No?
So you know what I'm saying, that's man, I got that.
You don't mean just man, I got Yeah that boys
like yeah, athletes. So you can find all of our

(02:55:20):
products on House of athlete dot com. We have nutritional supplements.
We have a friend, Jim Cole house house, and we
have a public facility in western Florida where we train
Jim Pop. So everyday athletes like you guys, as well
as the elite pros as well as the college guys
that are trying to make it into the just going

(02:55:41):
tomorrow points. You gotta come. You gotta train with Ben
I don't train with but you can train with Benize
work who play. It might not be the best, No,

(02:56:03):
but here's the thing, but he's nice. This is the thought.
This is the thought behind it, right, like yeah, and
then and then pittsburghs and in Florida. So that's a
little mixed, a little everything, but the thought behind it.

(02:56:25):
Did I say that? Right? Yeah? Alright, It's like the
athlete were the healthiest people on the planet. And instead
of going out and building other people's companies and brands.
It's a four point four point three trillion dollar industry.
You know, let's teach people health, health and wellness. Wellness.
That's it. That's the buzzword in the space right now.

(02:56:45):
So instead of us going out and you know, there's
all these other brands, all these other supplement companies, nutritional companies,
people and kind of get I'm sorry, are you good?
Because that same thing. Do y'all know that pandemic You
couldn't even buy that in the package store. That was

(02:57:08):
the hottest well, his rose was the hotest, hottest thing,
you know what I'm saying. Like I was going out,
requested it and we delivered it. Appreciate thank you that
you know this. Okay, okay, let's okay, but but but
it's not just that. It's to your point when you

(02:57:29):
talk about quality stuff, and we think about Rick Ross.
The first time I ever sipped about his belt Lars
rose was during the pandemic. I went out, we had
a little barbecue and I was like, let me try it.
And it was the hottest thing, man, Like, it was smooth.
I didn't travel the country, just the world, just like
you sipping on different Rose's and that was so good.
But that you know, yeah, shout out to Rick Ross,

(02:57:51):
but shout out to you. Because House of Athlete is
owned by Brandon Marshall. Like most athletes I can attest to,
they're the face of it, they are not the majority
owner of it. Most athletes that you see pushing brands
like Brandon is the exacting with the own say said most.
I said most he could be if there's anybody. Yeah, yeah, Sha,

(02:58:17):
because Shack owned ship, so we're good. They're just yeah.
But he's smart though. And then but he keep like
the whole Papa john thing. The Papa John's they brought
Papa John's had a controversy as well. Yeah, Johns came
to to to rebuild their brand, and Sha, that's great,

(02:58:41):
that's a great second. You haven't been involved with a
team that was considered racist, Yeah, well would be everything.
I know. I think, I think, I think, I think
I think we saw this is an easy conversation. I
think we saw in how uncomfortable some people are talking about,
you know, race in the America. Okay, so it's like,

(02:59:03):
are you okay with saying Black Lives Matter, just something simple,
like forget the movement and the whole organization behind it,
just to say so, whether that is a person or organization,
we saw how uncomfortable people are, whether that's an owner
not saying it. And you know what I mean, Dallas Cowboys,
Jerry Jones never said it. You know what I mean

(02:59:24):
said if you do this, we're gonna cut you in
certain areas. Right, So, like there's a lot of owners
that never there that still like stood up, locked arms
or took a knee with the players. And this isn't
a time where you have to have a point of view.
It's not okay to say, you know what, politics, religion, race,
We just don't discuss that anymore. Got you can't let

(02:59:49):
when you're wealthy, you can, though, right, So, like when
you're wealthy, you can be Mr Kraft with the Patriots,
you can depen up with Meek mil you can build
people out of jail, but you can also played golf
with Trump in mar life. Because when you're wealthy, you
have the privilege, you have the privilege of not choosing.
And that's why they struggled because it was the first

(03:00:11):
time where they didn't have the privilege to say, Look,
I give to the you know, to the Double A CP,
I get to the Negro College Fund. Why do I
have to say the Black Lives matter? Because that's gonna
mess up my dad. Hold on, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I just want to I want to speak on something
I so and it's a shameless plug at the same time.
So I went, I do these documentary films and I
went to South Africa recently. Why we gotta say, shameless plug.

(03:00:32):
This is our platform. I just tell us. So, this
is something that I because coming from the United States
and going to South I went to South Africa to
do one of my six film in the series. And

(03:00:54):
the one thing that I that I thought was really
different than the United States eights because you know, they
had a part time and apartheid in our lifetime is
very recent and something that something that US in the
US might think, like, man, that seems like some ancient
ship that happened to that. But I mean, now, in

(03:01:14):
the way that times are in the US doesn't seem
so ancient anymore. But growing up in the eighties and nineties,
it seemed like some ancient ship to this. So you
know what I thought was crazy about South Africa is
that they spoke openly about racism, about apartheid. White dude
sitting in the restaurant right here, black dude right here,

(03:01:35):
and he's like apart time dot dot dot and then
the white dude, different view point of view. No, but
by and then they had a dialogue. You captured all this,
I want to say I did. I No, No, I
want to say I did. I don't think I captured
exactly what I experienced, to be honest with you, to
be because I was. I was going over there to

(03:01:57):
document hip hop and South Africa, so that was my
main point of view. So I'm talking about by me
and the restaurant. You know what I'm saying, me just
walking around. So you went over there to get something
like hip hop and you experienced something totally different. Yeah,
it was, it was, It was, It was extraordinary. Yeah,
I'm gonna pick it back off what you're saying. Because

(03:02:19):
I went over to Joe Berg and Kate two thousand
three five parts Fresh Right off the Hills, everything that
was going on, visited um Mandela childhood home. I went there,
you know what I'm saying, Visited the island where he

(03:02:39):
was locked up in Cape Town. So I can I
can vouce for everything he's saying, because it was still fresh.
You have you have, uh the Afrikaans which is jet
black color, which is different to us. We understand that.
And then as it relates to what we have in
the States, right you after Dutch rape the black those

(03:03:05):
are the whites, but they raped the black women that
created created the colors, and we got mixed breezes in between,
we got mixed breeze the Europeans that came here, right
and they rape the black women. Slave owners that rape
the black women's you got the chance, you feel me?

(03:03:25):
So it's all the same shiplatos, but it's deep in
in South Africa because it's more relevant. I mean, this
just was two thousand. They talk about it very openly
and very like they do. We don't do that. So

(03:03:45):
why is that such? Why was that so such an
so impactful for you becacause here is so like you
can't talk about and then they can't talk about racism,
you know what I'm saying, Like over there, the black dude,
this is apart time, it just happened. What was your
inn nection though? Well, I mean I was doing my film,
but my hole. But no, Yeah, when you were in Africa, right,

(03:04:07):
if you're not white going to Africa, you feel a
connection to the people, to the Cuban Cuban I mean,
you know what I found out when I was in
South Afard the Cubans were the only ones that ever
beat the white Africans in a war. Yeah. See, so
you feel a connection. I mean that was a indirect correct, yeah, direct?

(03:04:27):
What is this film coming out? Lookin any more? And
I know my homie, My homie was a rapper out
here in Miami who you would look at at face
value and think he's a white dude. Found out he's colored.
He has his grandfather from Cape Town. And then he
looked we found his birth certificate. He's colored, brought out

(03:04:48):
to recognize. So what's the name of his film? It's
Coming Home South Africa? What is it coming out with?
I mean, I'm in discussions for the whole series Coming Home.
I did Cuba, Haiti, Vietnam, Columbia. Oh my goodness, right,
nor they're gonna look at yo, we'd be out this. Yeah,

(03:05:09):
they're going to drink champs in South Africa working. They
were like, you don't because like at first, like you know,
I just got into this whole podcast, this whole content world,
you know, just eight months ago, and now you're going

(03:05:30):
on Instagram and everything is drink champs. You know that
for real? Yeah, so many people, everybody showed amazing and
now that we're going through this, right learning from y'all,
we got people in Italy watching crazy because we are
the beacon everything and you know, back to think about it,

(03:05:52):
let me tell you why I got the Travelers. Yeah yeah, yeah,
absolutely working and going to continue to work because the
same thought me and E F Ben had. We said, y'all,
they was the first take god bless first take off
was was skip bliss, undiscmuted these other things. The only

(03:06:13):
difference is I feel like we're just as good as them.
But the thing is the show that actually played the game.
It's gonna be so much. Yeah, like you know what
I'm saying that this is this is a real DJ.
Like I try to get him a DJ party. If
you don't got viny, he don't want to. Yeah, thinking

(03:06:35):
that it was fantastic, Yeah, because you know that's a
stuff that's a real DJ. They want to be next. Yeah,
you so somebody want to play this right right. There's

(03:07:00):
no record labor telling you what you can I say,
there's no telling what you can say. And that's where
people that's what people want here, who are y'all for real?
But this is with me and this this guy said,
you know what, that's just people that we know, is
about that life that that's just like us. So now
you have all these other podcasts, you have all these

(03:07:22):
other whatever whatever. And I'm not saying we're the original
because I want to pack myself up. I'm saying that
because it's the truth. You can actually google this, we know,
and like we're the first. Like I looked at you know,
Kenny Smith just because I like doing this key Kenny

(03:07:46):
Smiths from my hood. He does what's that ship called
in the inside of the NBA, And I'm like, you know,
I can't remember him winning the championship with Houston, him
coming left Rack whod and bringing the trophy. That's that
ship was ill for me. So I was like, all right,

(03:08:10):
I didn't know what that meant, but this is what
it means. Now. It's like, all right, cool. You know
there's not a rapper who con front of me that's
not after you in front of me because they know
I was in the trenches. I didn't go then and fail.
I went there in one you know, just like my
partner he went there in one and now together. That

(03:08:31):
can't front of me, like you know, I'm not the
fat You don't know what the FBI just come over
here and fun. But what I'm saying, come on, fucking fun?
But do you find? Do you find? Like it? Goddamn shot?
But when I'm thinking, who could have seen the people

(03:08:52):
that saving us? Who's gonna say that I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
My brother can kill mad you this bro? How y'all
boys feel about the your show? Yeah, and and everybody
that's in your industry coming back with the comments that

(03:09:13):
they have with Black I wrote to see the niggers
on your show. Everybody calls him to fans and I
don't know him. Maybe you guys do, but everybody calls him,
but then people still go to him and spill everything.
I mean, we don't. I'm on the outside. I don't know.
They still got a little to get. No, it's not

(03:09:35):
stop to take you said, why why are you saying?
Guys not coming to y'all first? They do? They do?
We can't compare to him like we're great, We're great, like,
but to think about it is the think about it is,
it's like, what's the guy that I'm cool of, guy

(03:09:59):
who's was to kill Tupac? M Um, the guy he's
in Vegas right now, we're supposed to kill them. Yeah,
police officer, nobody knows his name, whatever it is. But
what that guy goog Well if you google that guy,

(03:10:22):
I'm google that has no mob James is the guy
that does the podcast. Yeah, keep you d So the
thing about it is, you know, I don't know keep deposition,
I don't know whatever whatever, but I do know that lad.
He'd be paid him to do. He paid for interviews.
He has to at this point, we don't do that.

(03:10:45):
I don't. I'm not saying every interview. And that's the
reason why, you know, going back, you know, um, I
want to reiterate because you know we had the interview
of the Year with and you know I've been you know,
I've been throwing my shots. This ain't as ain't little
flat from right and then he doesn't deserve it. I'm

(03:11:10):
playing with you, is you you have nothing to do
with it. Just establishment and Larry Jackson, who is actually
the big homie. It's my man, like I love Larry Jackson.
But the fact is, when when you seek that emminem
interview at the end of the year, it was so
many people who tagged us. It was just like look,

(03:11:31):
trying to take your interview out and it was just
like all right, great, and it's a weird thing. It's
a weird thing sometimes because we're part of our establishment,
but we're not really a part of no establishment. We're
like the We're definitely not a part of the South.

(03:11:51):
We're like funk with them, but we're looking at our
own little like the galaxy, you know, have nine planets,
like we're in the lefty planets. And then like how
they they don't they don't. It's like how does this work?
Like y'all sitting here and it's like where are they?

(03:12:13):
They got all this type of alcohol liquor sitting on
the table, Like how does this work? At shot? You
know what a man about this? You've never seen this.
We didn't get take for six months with CBS because
they didn't know show on CBS Radio we Arry King,
I don't know, yes, I can't. Yeah. They were showing

(03:12:41):
us the charts and we was winning. But what we
did sixty minutes and what we did it was so
they tried to like and we were like, nah, we're
gonna stick with the same ship, the same form with U.
And like that's why I bring he brun it up.
You bring it up. It's when we're all said there
on y'all show, he said, Man, I did this ship

(03:13:02):
a decade. Yeah, and I the difference between me and
Roses I had. I did almost a decade and features
and that really get to the money, not really getting
the money. But when I got here, I only had
eight months and I realized after that eight months, I

(03:13:24):
knew how to turn it into what's my man said,
um algorithms. I know that. I know what I said,
Oh this is alright, but is gonna pay right here?
That's gonna do right there? And it might have been
a little Michael dollars, but it may at the end.

(03:13:44):
It's like you know what you don't have, and you know,
you know what, it's not about batting down. It's like,
you know, if I put sixteen million, put six teams
million in the stock market and it's conservative and it
brings you back, you know, a couple of percent then

(03:14:05):
I'm looking at a million dollars a year. So then
what really is is it about the sixteen million ars?
It about that money that my money is making me.
So when you what you're talking about, I got this
platform and I got blood wires over here, I got
this person over here, and collectively it's bringing me in X.

(03:14:27):
What's covering my lifetime, my lifestyle plus this, that's what
that's about. The shot got them so two or three growing,
and let's not forget we got I forgot him Colombia
and white crazy. We got this is all black owned

(03:14:52):
Jordan's I'm talking about. That's all black everything, all hands black. Yeah,
we got a name for the hatline yet you know,
so here's what Here's here's the deal. Like when we
came together, like one of the things that we thought
about and I'm still learning from North like Nordy, you know,

(03:15:12):
like Bro really put me on game and I'm talking
about thirty minutes like bang bang bang bang bang, Like
this is new to me. I know, the wellness space.
But when we came together, we it was like and
he called it, you know, quarantine Dreams is like we
all in the same neighborhood. Let's start this, let's see
what happened. And now that we're studying the game and
people who came before us, it's like every time he
come on the show, he wearing hats every single time,

(03:15:35):
and when he gets frustrated, you're gonna see him doing this.
Then when you look at our lives chat and we
got ten thousand people waiting to go when we launched
our show, which is crazy for YouTube. Right, they're saying,
what is Fred Taylor wearing? Like we want so yeah,
we got, we got, we got sprints, we got collection

(03:16:01):
come off and it's not like we're not trying to
come out, We're not trying to take advantage. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you got. We gotta we gotta take a shot. Drink,
don't see then my homework drink And I wanted to

(03:16:22):
emphaside built that show to you about like what I'm saying.
You know, we'll drink each other, brands necessary, I'll do everything.
I like it, No need like there's no cameral conversations
you gotta keep bringing to man. Know what I'm saying
is when I was watching, I was doing my homework

(03:16:44):
because I want to make sure on one point, right,
So when I was making sure that I knew a
little bit about everybody said, he's talking about you on
your work to cover you. I typed this myself and me,
did you come every year? But I noticed that happen

(03:17:08):
and I thought, my own ship. But this is Miami heat,
this Miami heat. But I said, I want a Fred
Taylor hat? Can I get a hat? See? But here's
the thing is, you guys are creating value. Fred Nori
uh drink to create people, people appreciate. Why why do
I watch it? Why do I watch Drink Champs? Because

(03:17:30):
like y'all got for real on the show, and I'm
learning something. What can I learn from the people who
come from where I come from, experience where I'm coming from.
That when you're talking about you know, here's this, here's that,
this is what we're supporting that I'm support it. That's
why that makes sense to me. The advantage you guys
for seven years to you was with a lot of
people on a different corporations platform speaking NFL and inside

(03:17:56):
of the NFL. It's not Drink Champs and drink said,
motherfucker can not inside the NFL. But you got the
experience and you said, you know what I got developed
this into my own platform. Teach me that. You know
who talks to me? Who taught me that all the
smoke and drink chance? Listen, listen like, no, I'm being

(03:18:24):
honest with but it's true. The thing about I've been
I've been on inside seven years as an active without
inside experience. Well, I think it developed when NFL you're
still playing. I was the first active athlete to be
So what I would do is what in the season.
And this is why I end up leaving Chicago coming

(03:18:45):
to the Jets, because they looked at me and said, yeah,
they didn't they didn't look I was the first person
ever do it. So they looked at me and they said,
and this is to our point, like we gotta you.
We hot actors, entertainers, rappers, musicians, athletes, got strike. You
should have had this drink chance back in nineteen would

(03:19:08):
have to say is that they came to me and
they said, Brandon, we don't want you doing inside the NFL.
You can't do that. We want you to focus all
on football. And I looked at the owner and we
was actually walking. It was it was like thirty degrees outside.
We's walking from the indoor today Mr mccassy, the owner
of the other facility of the of the Chicago Beers,

(03:19:29):
and I looked out, I said, I said, I said,
Mr McCaskey, dance. We have to stop the music, damn it.
It's part of the show. Yeah, for real, like this,
it's part of the form. This is dak Yeah. Right.

(03:19:50):
So so I'm walking back with him out and he's
telling me basically, we want you to only focus on Folko,
I said, Mr mccassey, check this out, just like this real.
I'm like, you guys own your family owned this team
for how long? And I said, when I'm done, you
guys were still on this team. It's amazing platform for y'all.
I said, I got, what a couple more years to

(03:20:11):
maximize my earnings and build something that can last longer.
I said, right now is the time for me to
start what I'm trying to do. What's up? Bro? Oh
damn brother? How you know me? Bro? I boys said Brandon, Yeah, Bro,

(03:20:43):
that's that's what's up. Bro. Like I always you know,
I'm always taking it back when I run into a
legend in the entertainment space and they know me, right,
that's that's pretty dope. That Jets. What listen, what what
were you talking about? Putting that that that green that

(03:21:05):
Jets Norry just broke something. He had some breaking news.
He was like, the only reason why he had Jets
fan because the jersey was cheaper that his dad. That's
the only thing is dad could afford. So what was
doing Jets fans instead of a Giants fan? Oh? The

(03:21:26):
respected respect spec answer Dan, that's the legend. Appreciate you.
Yeah answer yeah, great, Yeah, we don't know you out

(03:21:54):
here coming on next we fire fest. Yeah. I called
it the best act. Like I said this on on
Clubhouse the other day, Like why isn't everybody on the
clubhouse down on? I car in my line that I

(03:22:17):
call you and tell you I said that this nor
it's the best cap of secret. They don't know nobody yet.
Will We're gonna go our card, I car, tell us
what to do, tell us we go through, Tell tell
us what are doing? Any mic? Does it expire you?
But I think clubhouse I can't reach, I can't reach.

(03:22:41):
I don't like it. I see that. I'm gonna say,
I'm gonna get n I c N just like that
two twos. I see O N N bet all right,
let me ask you a question. Let me ask you
a question. Bro Let me ask you a question. Okay,

(03:23:04):
this is real, right, you you fail on a on
a on a on a like globally, like tell us
the inspiration how you keep getting back up because a
lot of people don't understand when you're entrepreneur, you know
you you you only win one out of ten times, right,
so like now you icon is next and you keep pushing,

(03:23:25):
We're gonna go back to the festival all of that.
You know what I'm saying to you my my last
question and I'm I'm I'm a landed plan on past
the phone, but like I think people need to hear, right,
you know what I'm saying our stories on how perseverance,
Like you know you you you won at the highest level.
You also you also you also have some els, so

(03:23:48):
like how do you get up? And then now we're
talking about icon, right, so talk to us about you know,
that inspiration and that perseverance because as an entrepreneur, because
we're all trying to start something, we all start trying
to trying to launch our brands, and people don't understand
that you only win one out of ten times. Yeah,
that's what people don't understand. You know, I'll get some

(03:24:10):
of the stuff to saying because breaking up a little bit.
But I think that's just what you're saying that you know,
failures and going onto you so you know, you know, Phil,
you only brings you to your next best thing? He
said fail He said, failure only brings you to your
next best thing. Yeah, it's like you like and you

(03:24:31):
can't who every day. You know what I'm saying, dude,
You know you play your whole career hoping you in
one of them, right right? You pless well with hopes
saying with whole saying with hold say he said you
only gotta be one, You only gotta be right one one.
That's that's you only right one? And what the whole

(03:24:53):
also said, This genius thing they do is adn't you
U if that against the wall and you know there's
nothing else to do but fight and go forward. Yeah,
you got legend because for some people that's a hard thing.
Some people rather lay down the job, you understand, But listen, Yeah,

(03:25:14):
I rather I got down my feet and motherfuck you
live on my knee. Yeah, let y'all love bro. Tomorrow
you're doing drink at tomorrow we're doing see you know
what a no this is y'all go for three hours

(03:25:40):
and four only. It's classic. Let me just tell yourself,
so so tell me why y'all said for real? Was
like like that was like was that the was that
the best show? And was that defining moment for drink out?
Why we have different perspectives? You go ahead, all right,
what happens is last year two years ago was we

(03:26:09):
we've been pressure cleaning outside just that fariver, we we
pressure cleaning right now to a show called rat Radar.
You will haven't say it again to a show called
rat Radar. I mean, I don't really compared to it.

(03:26:30):
But last year I felt like we whipped the ass
like everything, and then not not this year. Come on
last year and then at the the end they had drake.
I feel like, damn they won with the end of

(03:26:55):
the year. So this year they actually gratefully bowed out
because of COVID. You came out and everything, and then
right at the end of the year, we didn't plan it.
We didn't plan it was for rell like for all,

(03:27:17):
like you know, it was like seven times you cancel
right every time when people cancel on us. No, no,
we've been here and people cancel waiting because that's all
we need to hear though that and that is the
most hurtful thing that was happening. Let me just say

(03:27:37):
something to think about it. You can't take it personally.
You can't don't take it personally. You can't take it
person over the next day you shout, But there about
it is this. I'm not a radio station. So when
I set up, I setting up for you, right, this
artist is all right, what's his name? Why you close?

(03:28:03):
Placific not drinking that again? You want to drinks? Ye?
I don't like you Pacific and Civil was late? He
doesn't you No, no, no, you paid you paid the
camera man. You paid the same. This is everything outside,

(03:28:26):
So if you don't show up, it's our look from
the spinning on you. Though. And this is why, specifically
this conversation is so amazing. Here's the problem. Where athletes
did it at the highest level, entertainers did at the
highest level. Game taken away from you. Your mike is

(03:28:49):
taken away from you. Now you gotta start from the bottom,
and you gotta call that person you called me, No
assistant called me. Right, there's so but here's the game though,
Like how do you go from being at the top
of the game and traveling the world going to dude
do dolls of Dorf, Germany. So so now you call,

(03:29:11):
you don't want calling, you don't want paying this person.
Like literally, I'm gonna zail you. I'm gonna I'm gonna
give you this a check. That's the thing, is like
why most guys don't make it to the next level
because they can't get off that hard, hot horse. They
can't get off that pedestal. You called for real seven
times because you answered back, yeah, but that's cool. But
but you gotta understand, though, you gotta be willing to

(03:29:34):
humble yourself and come back, like you go from the
mountaintop to the valley, and now you're making the calls
and now you gotta say, you know what, he canceled
on me the third time, but I'm gonna call him again.
Let me do it as a wrapper. This is not

(03:29:58):
as a rapper. Carass told me being told no, it's good,
I did not understand that. I wanted to kick him
me and me and told no it was good. But
he's like your certain people might not know who the

(03:30:20):
funk you are so if they tell you no, that's
actually cool because there's people that's gonna say like that's that.
That's the reason why I broke up Tom Brady earlier
with Antonio Brown. It's just almost like this is like
some gang ship to me, almost gangish. Brady said, you

(03:30:43):
ain't sucking with me, ain't gonna pay me? Yeah, I'm
gonna hire because the Patriots didn't want to higher. But
Tom Brady fell in love with him. Yeah, let him
stay in his crib. He was bringing a wherever he
went bas gangster ship. So you like Tom now, yeah,

(03:31:10):
in my mind he got gold teeth yea in my mind.
In my mind he went to us a free market
and the like let me tell you something, bro, And
he brought his man grown to like what you say. Yeah,
he was tired that year. If that's not holy ship, Like,

(03:31:33):
look look at all we're guilty. What do I do?
You want to show how we're guilty? Let me show
you how we go show me. We have the same
show called militym I don't know that true. Behind it
didn't work. It didn't work, No, no, it didn't work,

(03:31:54):
don't you We didn't want it to keep it going right, No, Brot,
we just stopped doing it. We did not want to
do it. We stopped doing it because you went on
tour and I went on to me. We just didn't
make We didn't make a dime off of that. But right, okay,

(03:32:20):
what we're doing? Uh huh, what's the point I was
trying to make. I have no idea you were saying
like like left people behind or you weren't Tom Brady
Brady ship, that's what you had, Tom, but like he
got grills another like rock and then you know everybody

(03:32:55):
in the Antonio, Yeah, you was sent especially because now
granted it is his white privilege that lets him bring
a trouble black player to a team. Yes, because a black,
a black quarterback would not be able to say the

(03:33:19):
available asset to fill his back, my mama, A black
quarterback will not be able to say, yo, I know
my man's is crazy. But to do that, absolutely, I
don't think so. Because he it didn't happen right right,
he know he was there. She's about before she actually

(03:33:43):
got there. We've been in those discussions and it just
do what he did, you know, Russell Russell, Russell want
whoever the top dog isn't gonna come in and help
and Russell. Before I actually got there, we were talking
general manager, FaceTime and head coach, and Russell's like, I
want this guy, and they're like, come back. I don't
think it's a good fit. I don't think it's a

(03:34:04):
good fit. Now. When the Giants cut me, then the
Seattle Seahawks slid as a deal and they then they
brought me in. Now, she's right what she's saying, but
I pushed the conversation forward. You know, it's got this
word out there called nepotism. Nepotism is like when you
get on, basically put your people on right. So you

(03:34:25):
know why when other people get on and they put
their people on, why we can't do that because when
we mess up with the whole race is held against us. So,
as a black woman lawyer, when I came to the NFL,
if I would have been not good or dishonest, they
would have been like, that's why we can't hire anybody

(03:34:47):
from an ABC. She went to Hampton. We don't know
that school. We got to go back to ye. But
that's that's real, right, So when we mess up, our
whole race has to pay for it. White people don't

(03:35:10):
have that concern. So they'll put on their cousin, they'll
put on their best friend that probably is not qualified
for the job, because what they do know is that
if Billy doesn't work out, you're not gonna say never
hire a white person again. When Brandon doesn't work out.
What you're gonna say is we just we just cannot.
We have to be really more strategic about the schools

(03:35:30):
we recruit from. We have that problem. Now. Granted we
shouldn't feed into that, but that's real. So when I
put someone on from Hampton or Family or another HBCU,
I literally look at them and say, whatever you do,
everyone that comes from where you come from will pay
for it. We just qualified, just to be easy to say,
absolutely absolutely, but still whatever I do. So when I

(03:35:55):
came to the NFL and I busted my ass and
the executives fell in love with me, there now are
way more HBCU alumni at the National Football League from
when I was there. But that's because of me, right
if I would have sucked that up. See, this is
why we need Ivy League. We really have, you know.

(03:36:17):
But because I came in there and I'm like, I
went to Hampton. I went to family law, and I
know my ship, and guess what, I can look at
some creative and tell you that's offensive, right, like how
you're how you are marketing Antonio Brown. So I used
to review creative and we were currently finding Antonio Brown
for all of his celebrations. So he was getting fined

(03:36:39):
every time. But then if I look at the commercials
that I'm reviewing, they're showing him dancing. So we're making
money off of his celebrations, but then we're also taking
money out of his pocket for the same celebrations. I'm
the only black person on the email chain rights. So

(03:37:00):
when I talked about when you get into the room,
how do you use your seat, how do you use
your position? I knew that if I didn't call it out,
nobody else would. And so I said, so you're saying
so you're saying, they're saying an Tonio Brown scores a touchdown,
he do the dances. The NFL says, this is against
the shield what we stand for. You gotta pay finding.

(03:37:22):
But then the sponsors in the taking that and they
are now using that as commercial. Three years ago, Antonio
Brown was in his prime. There was you could not
watch TV without saying a commercial with Antonio Brown and
he was on a covered man exactly most of those

(03:37:44):
celebrations he was fined for. But but yet I loves
are making money off of that, and the NFL is
anybody making money after that? I could not sit and
watch a black man be fine for something that the
white corporators making money off. What was the reaction to

(03:38:07):
you saying that? How did that get correct him? Or
did it? What could they say? I said, how can
we promote something that we're finding the same player for?
And they said, you right, what happened they did? They
did not use the same creator. We're more, we are more,

(03:38:30):
And I would say, and it might be because it
didn't find him, but not do the creator. No, the
find had already happened, right, So the fine type of
about football team. So you know what I did? I said,
every commercial that Antonio Brown is in, we need to
send it to the same department that is finding him.
And if they don't sign off, if they don't sign off,
then we can't use it in our creative because what

(03:38:52):
we're not gonna do is eat off of the same
thing that we're finding him for. So we're taking money
off of this black man. Y yeah, yea yeah, and
that and that you're doing and not to change what
we're doing. That's a change going back to them. But

(03:39:15):
that's what happens when so when we criticize people for
working for the man, we want people to work for
the man because if we're not in those rooms, it's
going to continue to happen. You want, you want, you
want a few that are in those rooms making If
there was no Troy Vincent, can you you don't even
know where the NFL would be. I got a better one.

(03:39:36):
What about because jay Z he got criticized for because entertainment,
not because he's a political but no, no, no, yeah right,
And there's a lot of people like how like Caps
not in the league. Wise jay Z sitting at the
table with the commissioner and making this type of deal
and me I'm sitting back like, well, first again, jay

(03:39:58):
Z showing us why he's genius. To her point, if
we don't have jay Z in the room, then we're
not gonna have someone having that discussion. But it shouldn't
be an athlete or an entertaining matter to And I
don't care if you if you come if I'm getting

(03:40:18):
in the room because I got barbs. I don't care
if I'm getting the room because I got how many followers,
it don't matter. But when I get in that room,
to her point, and she always says, this were in
my dorm, how am I representing us? Right? And that's
why you know, for me, when jay Z did that deal,
I said, it's genius because now jay Z could potentially

(03:40:39):
be the reason why we see the first black owner
in the NFL. He could ask you something. I'm sorry,
I'm so sorry to cut you off, but how was
your relationship you am for uh, the relationship will probably,
but that was like an open relationship, like you could
could you call him? I can call you what you call.
Let me see if I can face time Roger and yeah,

(03:41:06):
because I ain't like you. You know what I'm saying,
he super let me try to FaceTime. We have someone
season one, they called her uncle Rob because because we
talked to him and he picked up. But now I said,
that's my thing with him. You know, he know I

(03:41:27):
ain't even call me. I'm aout that I'm aout that
I'm about the trial right now. But you know, we
asked about the relationship. You know, I think it's you know,
it depends on what type of discussion we're having, because
I look at it as a business. As a business,
you know, this is we're talking about a ten billion
dollar industry. We're talking about multimillion dollar athletes. So when
you're a CEO, sometimes we gotta make the hard decision.

(03:41:47):
You gotta think about how do we win now, and
then how do we also win in ten years. Right,
So Roger Cadell, you know, like we don't always agree
with him, and to me, like I don't pick up
the phone and I would say, like I don't agree
with that move you just made. I'll get on showtime
inside the NFL no matter what, and like I don't
agree what he said. But at the end of the day,
I was like, hey, look here's the situation. Is how

(03:42:08):
I feel, but this is what I think we should do.
And he listens. And then at the same time I
also said, hey, I'm doing this. I'm doing this fund raise.
I'm trying to raise five thousand dollars just playing pinkbone.
When you come, I'm there. And he also writes a check. Right, So,
like I had thirty two bosses, like people don't realize
he not everybody like er. He works for the owners.

(03:42:31):
He works for the owners. Do you think your good
I mean that people literally want to indict Roger Goodell,
and I don't think they understand how complex the NFL is. Right,
he has to go into a room with thirty two
people and say what do you want to do? And
guess what He's gonna take all the heat for it.

(03:42:51):
He answer smart, and he's smart everything the comany. He
wasn't making a lot of the decisions he had. He
was taking phone calls from thirty two owners every day
and figuring out what is a month? Y'all right? So

(03:43:13):
that's him as a person, and him and the leaders
get that, Sigguard, I'm sorry, said they're chatting, they tested
anymore anyway, We won't get you the world where because
you're like laying four years. What am I missing? Because

(03:43:37):
I don't smokes, just missing enlightenment and enlightening men on
conversation and overall's perspective of everybody's intuition of facts. Pressip
lead on me. Yeah, I just said short drink Champ.

(03:44:00):
But there's a smoke chance, I see the Keith smoke chance. Yes,
heavy heavy percentage. Just so you know, we got the
new Smoke Chans podcast coming out. Um Chin being young
really might move induce coming out. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I got to continue Smoke Champs. Let's take take your

(03:44:23):
time ship. No, but listen the day I'm looking at
the brand. At the end of the day, I want
to do my shameless block drink Chaps salt salutely salute.

(03:44:49):
You know he's got a cook his hat dog. We
got smoke Champs coming out, we just announced that. But
for y'all podcast, we would like to take control of
the audience. You know what I mean. And this this
you know, Drink Champs network. This is what we're doing.

(03:45:09):
We live out here, Network Networks. It will be a
new summer. Just the audio. You do whatever you want
to do with what show time let me do just

(03:45:34):
said everybody every other is whatever you could do it.
But the audios that because you can still sell it
to show TI still sell to Amazon. We know the game,
so letsigate you don't know it. We here, yeah, we

(03:45:55):
gag ya ya ya. Athletes entertainers out there right now,
start to podcast right now. I'm gonna tell you something.
I'm gonna tell you something as much as drink chance
has been successful, as much as whatever. But I will
never under estimate the fucking driver's people who drive fed

(03:46:18):
Ex trucks, people who drive the ups trucks, people who
drive the fucking Carmen Sherman trucks with the soft tissue.
What guy has you know the Carmen ship com he
Carmen Herman. I'm just like, I don't know whatever that

(03:46:56):
ship's harmon, ship is off the Sherman. It's tough to
shout out to all of them, but that's what we're
all taking control of. Construct We are trying. That's beautiful.

(03:47:20):
You can't lose if you build it all your own terms.
By the way, if this ship doesn't work out, with
your ship, with your ship, we worked out what you're
doing on your own terms. You never you never in
the network twenty seven years. So what happens is like,

(03:47:42):
what made you like that? I guess my question for
you is, it's like, you know, we talked about my
experience and how I transition. Channing talked a lot about it.
So how did you go from rapping to this to
a point where like people look at like, oh, you know,
drinks and all of this other stuff. But this is

(03:48:02):
really like the business behind it. A lot of people
don't understand because eventually, I think that rappers should never
signed to a record label, Rappers should never sounded to
a company, Rappers should dropped their albums on their own podcasts, right,
but you should only like this thing about it. Right.
Let's suppose that you was playing with the Texans. What's

(03:48:24):
the oilers that was back in the days, right, but
they didn't you know, they don't exist no more. Let's right,
Let's suppose the US oilers and you dropped the album
just for the Houston oilers. You dropped the sweatsuit just
for the Houston oilersts. You should be a billionaire just

(03:48:47):
all for Houston. Yeah, we'll explaining to us because a
lot of people don't understand that. And I feel like
we like me. A lot of people come to y'all
and listen to y'all because y'all what we learned that,
whether it's through YouTube or the guests on the Shafts,
I don't know if you noticed, no learned a lot. No, No,
that's really though, right, like because get him into the
show before we do. I don't we don't trust think

(03:49:13):
about where we come from. We don't trust. So if
I know this man came from where I came from
and he tried to put me on game, yeah, I'm
gonna listening to him more than I'm listening to this dude.
He's talking about like the stock market, etcetera, etcetera, or whatever.
Like the thing is, I'm expecting him and he has
a responsibility to really tell me, like what's right for me. Now,

(03:49:39):
I know where you're going, but that's what we have
to understand our market, and we'll understand our market. That's
just our market. We can't lose. We can't lose. Actually explain, yeah,
no wait, I'm no always for you to go keep going. Yeah, yeah,

(03:50:02):
we need you to go, and spound on that I
always should look at Texas. I said, why would a
Texas artists promote outside of Texas? Texas has like you
can go platinum in Texas, you literally in Texas. That's

(03:50:26):
exactly how I always thought about it. So what happened
was when I did a podcast. Yeah, and told me
to do a podcast five years prior to I wanted
to do a podcast, But when I actually did it
and I saw the algorithms, Yeah, made me feel like

(03:50:54):
I'm smart. I'm not smart, but when I saw yeah, yeah,
and it's a big part of him because he's not
gonna change, he's not gonna die. His bid effect that

(03:51:19):
I'm not going to do it, but that integrity said,
you know what, let's keep it the same, ye not
never try to cater day to anything. Let's keep the
same unapologized funk with us then cool, Yeah, but they
don't funk with us. We don't want the money. We're

(03:51:43):
going out the same way we came. We came in
not expecting anything. We didn't anything. Let's just do what
we have fun doing. Even what you're doing though, right,
Like Brandon is unapologetic about House of Athletes because literally
everything that we say, he lives it and believes it.

(03:52:03):
So he could give two ships if somebody doesn't like it, right,
because he literally lives this and believes that this is
the key to success, to be healthy and to be
well and to be great. So y'all feel the same way.
So when you're you can you can literally be okay
with losing money and leaving money on the table. The

(03:52:24):
principal eight months, we still lose money, Yeah, I mean
we make money. Don't get me wrong, but we lose
money way because they're just taking that check. Yeah, we're
just we're not compromising anything, but you're not talking about

(03:52:46):
and hold it out. Yeah, but talk about why y'all
made that move, because like, now I know why y'all
made the move, because you're thinking long term and now
you're not doing short term thinking. But we we doubted
each other to be honest with this short term. This
is a short term. This was a short term. Why there,
like we're like, we're just gonna do that. He was
playing poker. I was OK. I mean that's diffain type

(03:53:07):
of Ye, that's that's the absolutely right here, like like
we don't know the bad story. This is a super bank.
It was kendle two dollars six. Jesus, you're going way
back story. We're in the studio and recording NonStop, playing poker,
and if you realize, poker and and recording is the
same thing. So it was so easy. So I would

(03:53:30):
come out recording three days in a row with drink
through the whole time. Yeah, he was like, oh, who's
a drink? Drink And then I have recorded a song
that ship we're playing, we're playing poker. He's recording non stop,

(03:53:51):
NonStop weekly. We're having fun with doing our our music
ship and always recording his music. We're supporting the vibe
and he's recording and we're playing poker. And at the
end of the night he would finished recording music and
say what you was doing smoking weed? We're trying fun
and we're playing drink and we haven't dreamed were playing poker,

(03:54:12):
but we would say we would drink so much, we
like we drink. Champs would whoever last, whoever, whoever ended
at the end of the night, saying we're still awake.
X Channon. Crowds love him. I love him exactly. We
didn't have college. We had crazy hood studios and then
and then and then he recorded a song with Alchemists

(03:54:38):
called Drink Chance, and he recorded a song and we
loved it. It's just us. I'm gonna tell you something
that I don't even remember. It was the original Drink
Chances on a missy beat right and Actemists called me
and said, please change it, and the beat that you

(03:54:59):
heard down works way more perfect. Two thousand between two
thousand six got drafted. That's when we that's when he
stamps you guys are skipping a lot of ship and
we're really gonna get into a drink behind I'm drunk.
We had a show already on on x M before

(03:55:20):
Sirious x M, when x M was by itself and
seriously another thing. We had a show. Yeah, and this
show is called Militament Crazy Raw Race when you talked
about earlier, because he named the show was name, Yeah,
what's the name that? My company? Everything company's name is
crazy and this and and then raw Leo Leo g

(03:55:44):
who give us the show? So we had this same
We had drinks challenge, the same as act show. Who
who Who's Who's Whose idea was it? They say, no,
let's not go from let's not do that, Let's go
to the drink champs. Just give me one very long,
just give me one name. Who was it? I don't
want to give myself the problem. That's the reason why

(03:56:15):
you can't give the prop because at the end of
the day, it's a collective idea. That was like I
grabbed it. I thought I was like your dream champ.
I was amazing. I grabbed it without knowing it would
be a podcast. Then my homie was like, you'll do
a podcast and then we did a radio show before.
I was like, you're show with Noria as a podcast,

(03:56:38):
and then other people are telling him do a podcast.
It was just so many things being direct to make
it happy storm. And then when he was ready and
he was ready, I said, your dream Champs, I got
it ready yeah, and he said, let's go. But I
think that you know, I'm glad that you're talking about
this because I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm like,

(03:56:59):
I don't know what this drink champ sins. I just
know that this is the culture. And they got all
these amazing guests. Nori is freaking as phenomenal, Like he
he come in here, he's smoking, he drinking, but you
don't know how intentional he is and how are you
pushing the car so I'm not drink stake so hearty

(03:57:19):
hear the back story on it. I think it's needed,
like what is this he's a younger big brother because
he's younger than he and the thing is me And
we looked at it as where the we've we've said
this for like a joke, Eric being rock him of
of a podcast like as the DJ, I'm the background,
I'm the guy that's doing what I do correct and

(03:57:41):
he's the MC, and that's the way we approached. How
much does you guys being respected in your previous fields?
Right Like, I don't think you guys would have the
same success. Absolutely, people didn't respect you in the game
from the yard. But that's the same thing when I'm athlete,
Like you can come on, I an athlete and be

(03:58:01):
like y'all some thumbs because I am athletes. Yeah, yeah,
you know, when I watched it, I said, yes, I
need to be a boss ned because you know why,

(03:58:22):
that's exactly what we thought. Thing is, we don't like.
I don't like a god bless God, bless everybody who
was in the NFL. When I look at those four
motherfucker's that you'll put together, I don't want loose from
the NFL, from anybody, anybody else, from anybody else. I
want to fucking go to y'all page, tell YouTube and

(03:58:46):
whatever the funk you'll tell me it's happening for that week.
That's it. Yeah, that's where you can dribbing me in
the wrong director, What did you make the wrong bat?
You don't even care, righting, don't take that because you respected,
Because I respect they had on the field if they

(03:59:07):
were shot. Yeah, he was on the Patriots and we lost.
That's one thing I respected about into regardless when he
went to Jets Nuns. Yeah, the world wavis the road.

(03:59:29):
We go to bath to real quick going, we're going
right Jet they did, and he was a man. Ain't
the real read? Ain't nothing wrong with the Rod revers

(03:59:50):
It's my team. When's the last time he really followed
the team? Mark Sanchez ran into the linebacker. But I'll
be get busy. When he left fer Fitzgerald, what's the guy,
the guy with the beard? Patrick got busy. He got busy.

(04:00:13):
They ain't Miami got something, got a massage and fucking
played his ass off I love the Jets for what
they did with Sam Sam Donaldson, Sam Donald Sam donald
He did he had a hepatitis, Yes, he had manoa.

(04:00:38):
They reconstructed the old offense. He came back and they
didn't have got Adam Gates got fired. I don't know
I did go on, no, no, no, I'm hooking up
right now because I'm what I say it right now? Um,
and they make this the right move right now? Why
did the Jets fired Adam Gates and said they parted,

(04:01:01):
and the jaguarsh fired Doug Haron and said they party ways.
But when an Anthony Anthony Lynne got fired from the
tape from the charge, they said, they fired them. So
why can't the same respect goes along with the whole
overall perspective. Well, it's crazy. We had to come and

(04:01:24):
that will come up in one of our episode. We
actually have that conversation, right, Um, pretty much like anything else,
we don't We don't control the narrative. What I mean
is that the other is that the journalists hip it's
unconscious bias, but it's also it's also white supremacing immediate, right,

(04:01:47):
Like they honestly don't know how much intention is put
behind it. But they literally can't even control They can't
they can't control how they think about had lines when
it comes to black people, right, And so there's no
way that a black coach can just go his separate ways.

(04:02:08):
He has to be fired. Right. So when you already
have that assumption in your head and your subconscious, you're
gonna write a certain way. Right. It's just like when
when there's a crime committed, if it's a black person,
you are going to know that it was a black
suspect that killed somebody. They never they don't ever mention
the race. You have to assume like that person is

(04:02:29):
white because they haven't even said the race. We know
when they say the race, they say the race, but
when they don't say the race, that means that person
is white and they don't want to categorize that person
as a white person that did something heinous or violent
or crazy. Negative negative against the NFL perspective, it's not
the media and the media. The media is ESPN is

(04:02:54):
not as diverse as it should be. So when you
look at draft and when the black players they draft,
and they talked about, oh yeah, this black player had
a crack had a was a crack baby. Like that's
literally what they put on the three lines they did
for the player. That one line is this this baby
was a crack baby. But then when you see the

(04:03:14):
white players getting drafted went to Stanford actually got a
double major, Like that's literally it. But it's that unconscious
bias that that's Briant. That's Brant when he was drafted.
We all know about DA's brain, right, you know that name,
So that's Brian drafted the general manager for a team.
I think is your mom Was your mom ever a prostitute? Yeah? Wow,

(04:03:40):
somebody asked no real real yeah, one on one like
the questions that they mean, I hadn't been in those rooms.
So these two can antest to it. But I've heard
that the questions that they ask. A combine can literally
be watched. The NFL combine is when you go to
in in Indianapolis and you literally work out and every

(04:04:04):
team is they're assessing every single aspect of your ability
and your personal life and your mental They do a
mental assessment, really and they're literally trying to pay out.
Are you a good fan? Let's paint the picture. Let's
paint the picture. So from a physical step from assessment,
you walk in, you got every single team sitting in

(04:04:25):
front of you, lights, ontives, you walk on the stage,
but you yeah, combining jokes, right, that sounds I'm going
rates to the NFL. Now this is where we this
is the stage and show them who I am and

(04:04:46):
pros and stuff, right, and this is how they determine
who they're gonna draft. They get to go through everything.
So one of the things that you do is y'all
the team all thirty two teams, but it's more people.
It's the head coaches, is the manager, scouts, and maybe
a handful of owners here and there. So I'm walking
out and they said, Brandon Marshall University of Central Florida

(04:05:08):
has nothing on but tights, nothing, no salt, no shirt.
And I go here and whether people compared that to
where you go up and you stand on the block
and people literally says, how how useful are you going
to be to me on the cotton field? And that's

(04:05:31):
when people have compared to I don't necessarily think that
it's apples to apples. Look at the end of the day, Look,
we're talking about a billion a ten billion dollar industry,
multimillion dollar athletes, right, We're talking this dude in Kansas
City just signed almost a half of Billy right for it,
you know, years just signed the deal like that's that's

(04:05:57):
big time money. So you gotta understand this time, he's
only three, there's only his third season. Yeah, it's the grades.
Was it forty million? Right, So that's what he signed for.
But you gotta think, so, you know, that process degrading.
But at the same time that you gotta keep in mind,
like you know, we get paid off of our body

(04:06:20):
don't get paid off. This are you saying that you
sign up for it? So this is the now kind
of kind of but also like can the process be
better when we talk about do we the players have
a voice? Does the does the NFL does? Does the
owner give us an opportunity to use up utilize the
platform up? Correct? Doesn't have to be that, but it's

(04:06:42):
bigger than that. Well, I don't think it needs to be.
Like I mean, there was a guy that was running
his forty and literally his whole thing came out of
his shorts, right Like, I don't think that, Yes, yeah, yeah,
this is the podcasts, Like, I don't know, look like
I'm saying, but I think I think he speaks to

(04:07:13):
does Brandon Marsha needs to be in tight spandic shorts
to run a forty? Right? He doesn't? Right, But that's
that's where there needs to be changes, right Like, I
don't think that it needs to be in the same
exact format. That's how they're doing it. It's the great
because if you're coming here, look, it's just that. But
also you wake up at six am, seven am, and

(04:07:34):
you go through you see two hundred doctors and you're
just laying on the table and they're coming up and
they pull it on your toe. They pulling your They're
not saying, hey, how are you doing? You know, yeah,
rot your film. You know, we love what you did
last year. It ain't like bro and you know everything
about you. It's not that you're laying on the table
and they're just moving you around to see and they're like, oh,
let's send them back and get an m R. On that.
You don't you don't feel like that there was other

(04:07:57):
brothers that had it worse than you. When because because
you use yeah, no, no, here, here's my thing right
like here and here, here's my thing. Like you know,
I have a goal in mind, and it's whatever, this
is the process in place, Like if I got to
make the decision, am I willing to go through that
to get to the goal? And that's something I was

(04:08:18):
willing to go through. It didn't matter. I wanted to
play in the National Football League. I wanted to be
one of the best ever. I wanted to sign a
certain type of contract. I had goals in my every
single year, so I just blocked out the distraction. But
treating the experience for other people is a goal. Well,
I think for her it depends like right, and this
is that This is where it gets interesting when we

(04:08:39):
talk about activism at the activism for her, you know,
her passion is to actually is diversity in the NFL,
not just diversity and just corporate America just period, right equality.
That's her. For me, it's it's own health and wellness. Right. So,
and I say this to the but when I was

(04:09:00):
what I went to, so I love you v a
much love much love your wife. He went to your
wife's best brand, went to Hampton, went to Hampton. So yes, yes,

(04:09:22):
so ill love bro Bro Bro, Why you do call
you like that? In New York, you understand push your T.
I know you probably don't know me, right, but I'm
on TV. You know I pushed the conversation for etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

(04:09:44):
And I just remember living in Brooklyn. I was playing
for the Giants at the time, and then your album
came out and then all I could listen to was
those I'm like, first of all, like he's doing an album,
he dropped only seven like tracks? Whatever? Like what happened
in THT you changed was changing the game. And I
was like, yo, what like you really went in, Like Kanye,
it was that Kanye. It was the whole Drake, all

(04:10:06):
of that stuff, Like Bro, you really went in. Yeah,
they told him it was. It was a It was
a classic moment in hip hop. I appreciate it. So
talk to me about that, like you talked about was
the classic moment in hip hop? Why was that a
classic moment in hip hop? Why do you feel like that? Well,
first of all, it was because of the Seven Songs,
Number one, the seventh. That just changing the whole trajectory

(04:10:27):
and we gotta push your teeth one, you know, changing
the whole trajectory of what was going on in hip
hop at the time. I think everybody was putting like
six records on a on a album, so it was
stream war and we were just like going against the establishment,
just saying, look, we're just gonna make the best we

(04:10:49):
can make in seven yea yeah, none of that. And
and then just you know, just being lyric driven hip hop.
And that year was like you know, nominating for Graham
and it was just the best album was it. Let
me ask you this because when I listened to the album,
I felt like this could be potentially personal. Was it
personal or was it business, because like y'all was, y'all

(04:11:09):
didn't cross the line, but y'all you went deep bro,
like where it's like if you want to go there,
we can go there. Yeah. Well, it's always it's always
personal saying this is wrapped so and when I do it,
it's personal simply because it comes from a real place. Yeah. Respect,
And that's what we just talked about. In sports, it's
like the difference between we're talking about a ten billion

(04:11:30):
all the industry and most of us come from places
where this is our way out. So like, how can
you tell me that this is business? This is personal
for me because it gave me my opportunity to survive, right,
legend legends, Push your teeth, Push your teeth, They'll thank you.

(04:11:51):
Push you know. I love you for real? I mean
your first video brand shout out on the said, Hey,
can I let me ask you a real question? Though?
Let me ask you a real question, real real? You
with me? You with me? Friend? You with me? You

(04:12:13):
with me? You with me? Am I to drink chance? Yes? No,
let me ask Let me take me to tell you
what drink? She had three shots feeling real good? Four
He ain't He's chilling. He really feeling real good. He's
gone gone. You can see your eyes getting glazy. And

(04:12:35):
I didn't. I don't take a question. No, I don't
think baby, I'm drinking, douce say, and I'm chap. I'll
tell you what I'm being. You ain't really been drinking.
Drink tonight. How you wake up tomorrow? That's always a

(04:13:05):
drink chan there was more time you drink wake lately.
He has to be when it's like, wait, the shot,
everybody everything droning, everybody drink no more? Just watch over there, No, no, no,
real gee, that's the shot. Be monsters, everybody showbody drink tonight.
He tore this little. I would say, this's a camera.

(04:13:26):
You got me helping wall. That's in my thing. But
every once in a while you have a good time.
And I'm gonna sure you got to be a drink
chance Fred No, a little freaking right up. Listen to
the house. We can't do it, friends, we can't do anything.

(04:13:51):
Wet everybody care what up? Friends? Everybody tonight and nobody
didn't wake up in the morning. I'm get up every morning.
I got for I got production in that out. Yeah,
So I'm I'm a FaceTime and I'm gonna show you
and then I just want my corn. I feel like
y'all need that. I feel like I feel like you

(04:14:11):
talked about producing all that. Let me produce drink chance
right now where I feel like, no, this just like
O G O G. This is what we need to do.
I feel like we need to built. I feel like
we need something like yeah, like we can cry. You
have for Rever on the show, Okay for Rell? Are
you to drink at for no? Okay, he's not yeah

(04:14:33):
he was yeah for yeah a lot to take off
his man to the way to take over and maybe
you said that damn he dropping juice. But y'all have
so many people on the show, and I feel like
at the end, who who's holding that? No, I'm good,
I'm not. I ain't a smoke chant drink smoke? What
is it called smoke? I ain't a smoke chance. I'll
take some drink. Let's calm it down, to drink chip,

(04:14:58):
don't drink more, to drink like some good. It's not
about how much you drink, it's how Because that this
is this is a smart I have to take the
opportunity to say or Miami, uh a legend. No no, no,
no Miami favorite Sean Taylor. Are you familiar with Sean Taylor?

(04:15:20):
Can we give him some love because nobody ever gives
him love after he passed away? Okay, yeah, yeah, I
think that. I think the NFL community you closer to
it than me. Like it's almost like a holiday. We
talked about it every year in d C and Virginia.
They definitely do thank you because we also do in Miami,

(04:15:42):
but I just didn't know we do it in Virginia also, Yeah, everywhere.
That's what's ups. Thank you, thank you. He's Miami legend.
For Ller's Miami legend, Frank Gorgon Miami legend fowers. I
would love to give him Frank his flowers, but he's
not getting him gotten his blower something real quick, because

(04:16:03):
you know, I did my googles. We thought Ulto singles
were here, right, so then you know, and I have
one question about I wait till annoys finish, That's what
ask So then Ulto single says he promoted wearing fake jurory. Yeah,
oh that's a big conversation. Yeah yeah, yeah, he said it.

(04:16:25):
He said it, He said it, terrible got you got
the most already Bracelest. You know, you know, you know,
you know money, So I know that's that card here,
that's the nail Racelest, that's the East seventeen. And then
you got the you got the god duell Ja was
the first one band faith. Yeah, he got about two

(04:16:51):
hundred seven thousand. He got money. In my calculation, I'm
just going with the conversation. I'm just saying, like, because
those are investments, and people don't realize that. See when
you get the bust out, don't diamonds, don't put no diamonds.

(04:17:13):
He's speaking. But what I'm saying, I want to look
at that chesship, the Cardia ship. A lot of people,
that's what happens is they go get those cardierir braces,
the same Cardier braces, and they bust them down and
they don't understand that it takes away from the value
you speaking. You are speaking, so a couple of things here, yeah,
Fred Taylor, like oh geez, like that was the one

(04:17:33):
talk really taught me away when I got into the league,
seeing how they bought jewelry and how they explained it
to me. And when you take this Cardier bracelet, this
is something that's been around for years, or this Rolegs watch.
What you're looking at when you put diamonds in it,
now it it depreciates. It's a liability and not an asset. Okay,

(04:17:53):
So that's first and foremost. But and then you gotta
understand what type of watch you're buying. Is this watch
and watch that foltives value and that you can put
on your estate planning or is this a watch that
the decrease in value as soon as you take it
out the store. So there's a lot of conversations about that.
How I bought my jewelry is every time I want to,
I went to a Pro Bowl All Star game for

(04:18:15):
the NFL. That money that they would pay us to come,
that's when I would treat myself to a watch. So
my watch collection came off of every time I want
to I went to a Pro Bowl, right, and then
I never bought I put diamonds in my stuff because
I'm like, I want this to be able to like
that sits up with that art, that that piece of
art that I bought, And now that's a part of
my portfolio that when I look at my my my

(04:18:39):
my portfolio, Uh, you know, every single quarter, and I'm
looking at my assets. That's a part of that. And
I like, how you this month? Yeah, that was see
a lot of Google. A lot of people say, yo,
you know when you get money when you buy certain

(04:19:00):
a certain jury is flaws, but then certain watches, it's
not a flaw, sir watches. The investment even a birken bag,
Like I don't suggest people buy Berken bag. The Birken
bag never depreciates. Hold on second second time around stories.
You buy that birken bag for twelve k, you put
in the second time around store, you gotta pay eighteen k.

(04:19:23):
It's like almost like that that Ferrari for eight right,
Like there's certain Ferraris. You know, I never I wish
I bought an exotic car and I actually enjoyed myself.
I never really did that, but like I understood when
I was looking at the investment of an exotic car,
I knew if I bought a four fifty eight Ferrari,

(04:19:44):
that that car that I bought for three eight five,
and I put my my time into like picking out
the stitches and the leathers and all of that, I
can then turn around and resell that for four fifty.
But if you bought the other ferraris soon as you
take that off the lot, don't the reself, I don't
hold its value, right, So when we talk about buying

(04:20:04):
luxury and those type of things, you gotta understand some
things hold its value, some things appreciating, some things depreciate.
But what the attitude? Because um, I watched some documentary man,
and they're seeing how so many athletes that you know,
to get their money. And for the moment I got

(04:20:26):
on the phone with you, I knew you wasn't that
type of athlete. But the thing is, how did you
develop that? So so let's talk about the exotic cars.
I was actually in Waltham, Massachusetts in Boston, and I
spent three months in the outpatient program. Okay, and I
was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and then the best

(04:20:47):
way to describe that as an emotional disorder. Okay, that's like,
that's why I got into all this wellness stuff. And
while I was out there, um, I talked about New
York teaching me a lesson my wife getting you know,
being out at the Mark Key like nightclub and getting
hit in the bottle, hit in the face with a bottle.
So we had to go to a dentist. So I
called the New York Giants. I was playing for the
Miami Dolphins at the time, but I was in New York,

(04:21:09):
so I called the New York Giants. I said, I
need to see a doctor. Connecting to people, they helped me.
But then I got connected to the doctor, the best
doctor in Boston. So when I'm in Boston, okay, I'm
sitting with this dentnist, white dentnist, and he picked me
up in a four eight and I'm telling like, this
is my dream car. And he said, let me show

(04:21:30):
you how to buy it. So that's how I understood
that part, because he told me, like, this is why
I bought it this way, this color, this type of interior,
because if I choose to sell this back in three
months or six months, I make my money back times
times three. Right. And that's about what he always say

(04:21:51):
is exposure leads to leads to expandion. So when we
talk about Nori and you guys giving us free game
or Jay z or Rick Ross or did he like
that's free game? Listen, you know what I'm saying. Because
y'all traveled the world a little, you know, what I'm saying,
are you seeing Are you seeing that a betterment for

(04:22:13):
I am athlete, or are we seen a betterment for
drink tims having you had a guess another drink? Ye?
Hold on makes sense, right, I didn't get my foot
kicked like five time? Wake up nigga. Yeah, because me
and you are looking out for me. Yeah. Yeah, I

(04:22:35):
tapped out, but I ain't going home. I'm gonna sae man. Yeah,
I'm good. Let's trust me. Shot shot shot shot. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm gonna because I'm le, I'm gonna leave here with
the belt on diputi b. Yeah, that's the same thing

(04:23:01):
with my dude. Say that's the same thing. What you mean?
Look at that just bottled tonight your help. I'm gonna
saying this bottle with me and say I don't need
friend Taylor drinking. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna make sure
so much. Listen member, everything you're doing already. I want

(04:23:27):
to support it, but I wanted to tell you all
give me your audio audio Yeah, yeah, we give it
into your selling it too. I can't afford shid and
we're gonna we're gonna say, you know, she's smarting stopped
we give it in to your selling it to sharing

(04:23:51):
this can that's that's going. Yeah, that's going. I'm selling
it to the way people. We don't go I preferred buyer. Yeah,
so you're interested in our ship. We would love to
sell it. He's not buying because I'm a part of it,
and we're not buying. We're selling it. We're gonna help you.

(04:24:14):
We're gonna sell Jim, he's a great guy. You got
the bad Yeah, we're about got smooth up streaming. We

(04:24:38):
got smooth Chi you got drinking was a little man
people feeling stuff like that. Huh. The's just saying smoke chance,
we got um cha bang um young really Mike bof
induced on the smoke chance, and then we got the
drink chance, wildcat drink chance. Sports. Um. We're trying to

(04:24:59):
get warm and Sat. We're trying to get and Paul
here he ain't kind of talking a third person, but
nothing to say more Sat would be dopey. So good.
You keep saying trying to get Fred. You're trying to
get Warren Sat. That's your people. Can we get more

(04:25:21):
set together? But can't you get you can get your Sat?
Do the deal? Fred freaky frid that that that, that's

(04:25:43):
that's what. That's what. You gotta watch the show. I
can't do it. I've never been in a room. Yeah,
I've been in the viper locker room. It's different. Yeah,
let me get you. Let me get your story about
the locker room. And then a lot of people going
to say, you know what, theyre gonna say a lot
of things. They're gonna say, Brandon, you went too far.
And then y'all might be like, yo, you're tripping because

(04:26:05):
the culture is different in sports and then the entertainment. Right,
one time, I'm playing for the I'm playing for the Giants.
Just went from the Jets to the Giants an eighteen,
good job team, my last real cup of tea. We
got O'dale Beckham Jr. I went over there, Sterling Shepherd,
Eli Manning. They just came out he but he got

(04:26:29):
everything else right, he did. He the man in New
York when he comes from an after standpoint. They just
came off the playoffs and come off the boat tour.
They got trade songs on them, you know, doing all
of that. They win and they lose in Green Bay.
So in my mind, I'm like, we just imploded with
the New York Jets. Let me go to the Giants.
They got the number one receiver in the league and him,
I'll go on the other side, take push off of him.

(04:26:51):
They got the top five defense. We're gonna win the
Super Bowl. That's my mentality. So I go over there. Anyways,
and uh, what was that? What was that going with this?
The locker room? So I like the Giants. There you go.
So I'm with the Giants and I get there, and
this is my twelf year. It's my actually it's my

(04:27:13):
towel year. And I go in the shower. Because you
gotta understand this. We're gonna locker room. Got sixty guys
in one locker room, come out of practice. You take
all your clothes off, throw it in the ben, you
put your whatever. You go in the shower, and the
shower ain't know individual stalls. You got twenty guys in
the thirty guys like school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like that.
It's like it's like that, it's like prison whatever that means. Yes,

(04:27:40):
So I'm in there. I'm in the shower at one time, right,
And this is when I knew it was over, and
I knew I was old. I'm in the shower and
I'm just minding my business, like there's rules to it, right.
So you're in the bank and I'm hitting this and
the dude look over, he staring at me, like what
are you staring at me? What's something good? And he like,
you're Brandon Marshal. He said, I used to play man

(04:28:01):
with you when I was in middle school. Next you
next Sunday six. He's six six three other pounds. I
bro like, when you had this conversation the jail broad No, no,

(04:28:22):
no's happened that in Ja? What happened? Somebody recognize you
in jail six six? No story that SI sorry when
we talked about the locker room, because we talked, we
came out for that and you're like, I don't know
what happens in the locker room. That was one of
the most awkward. So it's any given Sunday, Like that's realistic.

(04:28:44):
Like have they has ever been a fight in the
shower in the shower? There hasn't been a fight in
the shower. But I saw I was playing for the
Dinverer Broncos and dudes was hot. They was heated, and
they on the field. They took the beef to the
locker room. Now you're nine percent of time, like, all right,
we go to camp, hard knocks. Everything you see on

(04:29:05):
HBO offense versus defense. And you talked about this earlier.
Were fighting. We don't like each other, but as soon
as we get through the preseason, now we want team,
and now we're talking about playing against the coachs, the
giants or whatever you feel me. So the fights and
practice it happens. But usually it's like, man, whatever we
get in the locker room, it's done. So there's a

(04:29:27):
couple of times where it carry into the locker room.
So when I'm playing for the Denver Broncos, guys get
into it. It was a ride receiver and there was
a defense in wide receiver from Duvo. Y'all know, y'alla.

(04:29:48):
So they get into it and they go in the
locker room. They get in the locker when they still yeah,
they're still talking. But they take it off the ham
and they're talking off the shoulder, fans on pas, the
hit pads, all of that, and they put on the shower,
they put on they put on the tower. They still talking.
That ain't nothing. We don't fight in the locker room.

(04:30:08):
That's dead. On the field and then all of a
sudden they go in the shower. They're still as they're
going in together, still talking and the boys. Yes, yes,
I've seen it too, grown men and their towers fight
and then towers and I'm like, what's going on? Like,
what's going on? Yeah, I've seen that one time. I've
seen plenty of fights in the locker round Geno. Oh

(04:30:31):
yeah with the Jets. Yeah, now that wasn't a fight.
That was the one hit. Yeah, what happens? It was
a snuff you what happened? He was there, Yeah, quarterback stars.

(04:30:55):
So we finished practice pretty pre finished. Finished he walking
in okay, and then and then and then Buddy says,
you ain't ship this season. The last week was kind
of not good, do you know? Said something and no, no,

(04:31:19):
no happen is Geno's already in the locker up. No,
I'm good. You know, my mom's learning. I need to learn,
ybody like it was. Yeah, So I come in and
locker from Geno's locker. It's like where Fred is and
I'm over here by the bar right here, And I
just told you, like, that's not we can beat from
the field, but when we get in the locker room.

(04:31:41):
That's dead. You know what I'm saying. So like you'll
beat propecials. Everything guys is going crazy and you will
never look up, like you get real aggressive and you'd
be like, oh, that ain't ain't nothing happening, right, like, oh,
I knit it up. That ain't ain't nothing we know
in the locker room is dead. Were family, We're good, Okay.

(04:32:03):
So I'm in the locker room taking off everything. I
got my head down and all that here is y
ya yeada, YadA yeada. And I'm not looking up, but
it's aggressive, but I know, like that's the locker room. No,
we don't fight. I know what it is. At that moment.
It's like it's none that, it's none of that. So

(04:32:23):
I'm sitting there and then all of us, sure, I
still don't look up, and then a lot of a
stud out here again. Let me look up. Let me
check Geo slifting the lock when the back in the
locker room, big old dude, like two hundred sixty pound.
He's from Africa, Nigerian, right, like, oh, this is real,

(04:32:45):
but this is the quarterback and you talked about it earliest.
The seaton. You don't got no quarter one time. But
one time I'm like all the shot. I'm like, so
I run over there, and I'm like, I'm trying to
just like seven eight of us trying to pull this
dude two the pounds. I got three hundred pounders, I
got three in the fifty pounds, trying to pull this
dude off that Geno right, and then so anyways that

(04:33:07):
happened Geno Smith, I grabbed my pull him in in
the hallway. His jaw broke, and I probably broke his
jaw for because he's bleeding out of just out of
his marthage. He couldn't gonna tell you. Heeding out of
his mouth, and he like he hot, he want to
find like two sixty pounds. Shut up, Like, stay with me,
let's fall over here, Let's talk about what's going on.

(04:33:28):
What happened? Blood come out a small and he talking,
he hot, and I'm grabbing his mouth, like Nick, you
could stop because he sorry? Why didn't you? Like I did?
So what happened? So h'im in there? And the only

(04:33:50):
thing I think about is I'm a wide receiver. My destiny,
my livelihood is in his hands. We got Ryan Fitzpatrick,
who's our backup quarterback. He can't complete the foul your pass.
I'm thinking about my twins that I just said, Yo,
I'm not gonna get those honey catches here on the
other side though, but I'm thinking about the quarter that
I'm thinking about him throwing me the ball. So I'm like, damn,

(04:34:10):
this is terrible. How you how you do that kind
of ceo? So I run back in the locker room,
and in my mind is like, Yo, he gotta see me.
I ain't thinking about the corporate of Maryca, ain't thinking
about NFL. I was totally blanked out. I'm running to
this dude, defensive lineman two in the fifty pounds rock
diesel from Nigeria now just straight natural, and I'm running

(04:34:31):
to him like you gotta see me running this mouth.
And I ran up to him and I looked in
his eyes, his eyes bloodshot, read and I was ready
to hear him, and I said, Yo, this thick is serious,
said bro, what you're doing? Why you in her quarterback?
And in that moment, I thought about saying, oh my goodness,
I was about to smash him in his face, but

(04:34:52):
then I just saw his eyes like I'm gonna lose
this fight right now, totally opposite the direction. So I
went up to the fight him and then when I
seen his eyes, he turned around with you the pivot. Yeah,
But then we went on to this point where you
said we got hope. You know, his Patrick came in

(04:35:13):
and end up leading us to you know, ten win season,
and we thought we had us and then you had
the Rail that season year. You like the Rail. I
felt like, this is it the yet, Yeah, I'm gonna
love you know my life. Tell him loser. I don't know.

(04:35:36):
Can you break it down for me? She's a very
gun I'm a cancer almost almost. I was almost. So
we oh, this is the backstory. Yeah. See, now you're
getting into a third hour. No no, I said, if

(04:35:56):
we go four hours, then that's legend. The conversations that
the five is the longest. Who I need I need
you to tell me it is the Jets. I'm gonna

(04:36:23):
give you to produce. If you go to the Jets
with Dad, you know, and you go to the Giants
with dead so so with the Jets, right, like, you
gotta understand it's the biggest media market in the in
the in the world, New York, right, So like that
media market is serious. So the perception is is a circus,

(04:36:45):
and it kind of is a circus. But when I
got there, I was like, Yo, these people is good people.
Woy the owner. But it was just like that was
my best experience. You gotta remember I played on seven teams. Yeah,
didn't come m and right. So for me, that was
my best experience. And how the people, how they treated me.

(04:37:06):
The Jets, so there's a difference between the Jets and Giants.
The Jets is like the hood the Projects. The Giants
is like you're going like so, no, let let me
paint this picture. Deffinitely start over. The Jets is like
you're going to public school. The Giants is like you're
going to private school. And they're both playing in East.
Brother Frotts right, kind of as two New York teams

(04:37:27):
playing in East. Totally different vibes. He got to the Jets,
we don't care about no Giants. We ain't talking about
no Snoopy Trophy, no truth, no Snoopy Bowl, none of that.
We're just trying to whatever. We're doing our business. I
went to the Giants and everything when we're playing against
the Jets, it was just like the Snoopy Bolus was
this is important to us and all that like, because
we're talking about none of that. We don't care about that.

(04:37:49):
So it's a different vibe there. So here's what I
would say moving forward. My prediction, they're gonna hire a
black coach that can lead up, that can lead That
was the Jets. The Jets, they have a huge diversity problem.
And it's the number one. And it's the number one.
They got four black people that work for the organization. Coach.

(04:38:13):
Hold on, here's what's gonna happen. There's gonna be a
I'm saying that right now on Drake Chance. It's breaking
news the sports for I know your culture is no
other stuff hip hop, but in sports and football breaking news.
It's gonna be a black head coach. I think that
all right. And then also it's the number one job.

(04:38:33):
Why is it the number one job? You got two
first round picks, you got draft capital, you got you
got one to second round pick, and you got to
third round picks for four years, and you also got
seventy million dollars in cap space, which means you can

(04:38:55):
go go out there and and and sign the top
three eight. That's number two. And also you have to
the number two overall pick. So you're gonna go get
that black quarterback justin fields. So the Jets, I'm gonna
tell you the Jets and anything like, y'all thinking Trevor
is going first, Jesson's going to Jackson. Black's gonna getting

(04:39:22):
Trevor Lawrence, Yeah, going second. Yeah, manage there. I love
it is black excellent. We we live in and breathe it.
But why not? Why not? It's nine pm and that

(04:39:44):
one I'm drinking V on the show. We're gonna go,
We're gonna go. I don't fit something to it. I'm
getting there. No, no, no, no, no no no no,
no feeling standing about four. I think as soon as

(04:40:09):
we pulled up and we jumped up the van, the
clocks are yeah, but I'm talking about the clock started
at four p m. We pulled about four one. So
we're gonna stay a couple of two minutes and Gus
WoT put us number one over Buster runs right. So
I said five five, You said five You said five hours?

(04:40:37):
What what you mean? No, he didn't side bust. Hey,
Oh that's a whole another, that's a whole another conversation.
Though I know we gotta go, but I'll take me
to you know, my minutes, because we competitive as a
as athletes. Right, So Buster went five hours on the dot.
We're gonna go five minutes and five hours and five minutes.

(04:40:59):
So that put us number one on drink Champs. Okay, right,
so I told we're gonna hold that, and I'm also
gonna hold the crown for because I drink y'all under
the table. Alight. But but but Buster, but bust you
put me on his new album? Yes, look, how old
is the hardest song out right? Now? Right? How old is?

(04:41:22):
How old is? He don't matter? But that that's my
point is that you don't see you only see it
like two or three guys that's able to still produce
at that level in the rap game. And you listened
to his album and he didn't go with the pushing
t route where it was seven songs. He went with

(04:41:45):
sixteen seventeen eighteen or something like that. And then and
it was tough because there's a lot of there was
a lot there's a lot of aging rappers and they
put out stuff and it's like that is trash, No, no, no.
I think Buster's album is phenomenal. Thinking classic. You know,
you feel what I'm saying my mind, because give me,

(04:42:10):
give me, give me all right, let's say this, give
me the top five rappers right now plus forty. That's hot.
That's my point. That's why I'm bringing it. Give me
five rappers, even Jesus, even Jesus, right, I know, I know,
but but he doesn't get the credit though, But he will,

(04:42:34):
he will, I don't think. Remember that's my point here.
To stay with me though, But even thinking about Jesus
new album like four, it don't match. But if you
listen to the last two albums before we he just
put out, it's like, okay, but that last album Jez
put out, it was like yo, that right? You know

(04:42:56):
what I'm saying, Yes, but nitcy is he? I wouldn't
put him at JO I'm talking about put out the album.
I'm saying, No, he put out the album. Let's say
he put out twelve joints. Can I ride to a
leven on the fun? Yes? Yes, that's what. Yeah, bro,

(04:43:23):
tell me bus be Marshal here, give us some where
you at. I'm dealing with some personal ship, ye right, Okay,
we're talking about yeah, yeah, we're talking about your album,

(04:43:46):
and I'm what I'm saying as an athlete, what I'm
saying is yo, when he went happy. So so here
here o g Here's what I'm saying. Like the album
you just put out, right, I'm like, that's legendary. You

(04:44:08):
know what I mean? Because huh, thank you King. I
appreciate that greatly, brother, Yeah, because like how many how
many aging rappers do we see age gracefully and still
put out you know, let's say fifteen, sixteen, seventeen joints
and you can ride to all of them. And so
when I listened to your album, you know what I'm saying,

(04:44:31):
because I'm talking, we talked, we're talking about a lot
of stuff right now, and I'm just I brought it up.
Nori ain't bring it up. I brought it up. Like no,
I brought it up. You put me on bus, You
put me on bus, You put me on bus saying
you gotta listen to his new album. But that's what
I'm saying, Like, you forty six years old and you
put out something like that, and it's like, Yo, that

(04:44:52):
is insane. That's legendary. So I just want to give
your flowers. Oh man, thank you King. I mean, I
appreciate you saying I'm forty six though listening it's an
honor and it's a privilege to still, you know, be

(04:45:13):
in a space for you to do what you love
and be cashion it about it and and they get
received on such a profound level. So I'm personally grateful
and home about what your your mother and with your
words and your sentiment my brother and man just on
a general consensus level, man, I'm just grateful that the
world is appreciate you know what, what I still feel

(04:45:37):
it is done to help us the culture forward as
I continue to try to contribute and in a great way,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And look, I know
you're dealing with some personal stuff right now. We called
you just right boom like that. I just want to
ask one last question. So to me, what you just
did was legendary. Okay, I wasn't expecting that. I'm gonna

(04:45:58):
be honest with you, okay, but like where did you
go to Like how did you get to that place
where it was like, yo, you put that out? You
know what I'm saying, what happened? Was there something more?
Was it? Like? Yo, I'm this is who I am.
This is what I do, and I'm just gonna go
and and do what I do. Or was it something
that happened, I mean, it's it's it's always a collective

(04:46:18):
of things that happened in your life or just a
natural progression and evolution. This is who I am in
common time and space, and I just shared who I
am now, saying like, I'm not trying to redo nothing,
nothing from back in the days. I ain't trying to
reado nothing based on people's you know, preferences or opinions.

(04:46:39):
I'm just doing what feels good to me anything. You know.
I'm just grateful that it feels good to everybody, because
you know, it's it's it's rare that you get to
do the ship, that you get this right when in
the same sense, it always has to be right to
you first before you give it to anybody. But a
lot of the times was right to you, especially after

(04:47:01):
you know, this year's thirty years of my profession, thirty years,
thirty years in the game. I'm really so, I'm I'm
I feel extremely fortunate to be able to do something
thirty years later that feels right to me. That this
recede in such a significant way on a global level,

(04:47:23):
but I didn't really there wasn't like one significant thing
that I was Yeah, I was wishing to collective of things.
So just you try to make the moments that matter
to you throughout the different things that you go through
and have gone through. Okay, uh yeah, and I respect that.

(04:47:46):
And you think you put this together and you should.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, And I respect that,
And I said, I know, I said that was the
last question, but this is the last question that we
go platinum yet Oh no, no, no, no, We're still
on the journey. I mean, okay, okay, okay, okay, cool,
because I like the drink Tims. We're gonna get you
platinum everybody right now, for real, like for real, like no,

(04:48:10):
for real, for real, for real. I'm telling you because
like there's millions of people gonna watch this show, and
they watch your show all the time, and it's because
it's like, oh bus forty eight years old. They don't
they're not expecting it. They need to go download on
all platforms and get this man platinum. Not don't forget platinum.
I don't care about the numbers, but you're really gonna
enjoy the joint like everything, and it's a it's an

(04:48:31):
album that you can ride out to. You know what
I'm saying. So ay o, g thank you, thank you.
You know what I'm saying. We connect soon. Man. You
know you're the big home get you on the podcast. Yeah,
you're the big Maybe appreciate you your love love not
for real? Yeah, I'm a good but not for real?

(04:48:55):
Normady do that like you gotta tell them people like
how that's love? Because you told I'm gonna say this, Bro,
I've been over it bits taking a nappy marriage, time
shot whatever else? Shot never shot shot shot, Yeah, the

(04:49:28):
time nine, what's the time ninety? I'm gonna say this
more time. I'm gonna say this, lord, nor Bro, you
don't have a friend over the years, though, yes, you
had to keep your face clean. I ain't never seen

(04:49:50):
the nigger that call other nigga is the answer on
the first call you called the night Yeah that that ship, Hey,
that isn't you know the phone of his friend? That's
that's he caught push your team. They caught pussy tea Yeah,

(04:50:14):
and Jim Jones bust who yalla, y'all so crazy? Yeah? Right,

(04:50:41):
he was just what he don't. He was. He was
just like, we got millions of albums. They don't matter.
That ship don't matter. They don't even don't matter. Expectations.
Y'all have money. Yeah, we already what do you reckon?

(04:51:05):
He don't need to call no by he already won.
He showed us alight. Yeah, you got it. Heye shot
shot shot Yo. That's fantastic. Thanks for let me be

(04:51:31):
what that means. I mean, let's take a picture, let's go.
That's very true. Yeah, I definitely mean this man. Thanks

(04:51:55):
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