Dudes on Randy Moss, Baker Mayfield, and Tony Gonzalez | Special Sneak Peek

Rob Gronkowski & Julian Edelman get on our first batch of dudes in a very special sneak peek episode of Dudes on Dudes. We’re talking Randy Moss and the priceless pieces of wisdom he gave Rob & Jules, Baker Mayfield and his incredible rebirth in Tampa, and Tony Gonzalez and his relationship with the number three. We wrap it up by laying out our patented dude categories. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're not the smartest dudes, Julian, No, but we're also
not the biggest idiots. Ye know. We are idiots in
a good way though, ye best way.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're not like IQ gonna like knock you off the charts.
Welcome to Dudes On Dudes.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm Julian Edelman.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm Rob Gronkowski, and this is the show where your
favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. On
our first episode, we are talking some serious dudes.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
We are talking Rainy Moss.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
And whenever I pay anyone in cash, I always say
straight cash home. That's going to live on forever.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
You got must Then we're gonna get in to old
Baker Mayfield. He's gotten that second life. He ate that
mushroom in Mario and got that extra life.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I was breaking some PR records this year in the
weight room and he was cheering me on and we
were going nuts.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And then we have Tony Gonzalez, a guy from the
past that we just want to.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Bro out on.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Tony Gonzalez was one of my heroes growing up. He
exemplified what being a tight end was.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
We'll break down their games, We'll share some instiders stories
and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are,
and then we wrap it up by grading our former
teammates that are turned media darling wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Let's get into it. Why do we start this show, Grounk.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, we started the show because Jules and I were
great teammates together. We were teammates for nine years on
New England. We've been teammates off the field as well,
from the very beginning, when you brought me out to
Splash in the City of Boston my first night outever.
I still remember it to this day. And we love
talking sports, we love naming dudes, we love hanging out,

(01:42):
and these are the kind of conversations we had that
we will be sharing that we had in the locker room.
That's what the show is all about. Conversations where a
dude brings his other dude friend to a football game,
to a baseball game, and they're sitting up in the
nosebleed having a conversation about their favorite player making a
big play in the game, just getting entertained while also

(02:03):
being entertaining at the same time. So that's why it's
Dudes on Dudes just having a good old dude time.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's basically a fly in the wall, how we talk
whatever comes up to our mind. We will be talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
With dudes, Dudes on dudes, just growing out to the
max power, eating some popcorn, sipping your favorite drink, whatever
it is it is.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
So that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
We're gonna basically sit here and we're gonna talk about
one guy for ten minutes. We're gonna give a ten
minute time limit. We're gonna talk about his career, We'll
talk about stuff off the stories, we'll talk about stories
if we have stories with that person, and we're just
gonna kind of talk about a dude and why we
respect him, why we love him, and then we're gonna

(02:49):
put him in a category what we think he is,
and then we want to hear what you guys ultimately
think in the comment section. So, who's the first guy
we're gonna do rob.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
And we're gonna start with a former play a guy
that everyone knows, a Hall of famer out there, played
with a guy that we play with with on New England.
About two years for you, two years from me, a
quarter season for myself, my rookie year in a quarter
for me. But everyone knows who he is. Randy freaking Moss.

(03:20):
Please pull the picture out. Randy Moss was an absolute
dominant force on the football field. I didn't want to
put him in the category.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Right away, can you.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I didn't want to describe the category. But the guy
had personality. Everyone loves him to this day. He's a
great TV's TV TV analyst, awesome on TV. He's mossing
people still to this day. What his segment?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
You got must and you know that you know who
this is Rob?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know the shots from No, what's the shot from?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
This shot is from when he was leaving the players
parking lot. I believe I think on a Tuesday after
he got fine for mooning Green Bay. Remember he got
fined for mooningm Green Bay. And this is like right
immediately after, when some reporter came up to him said, Randy,
what do you think about game fining?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
He says, straight cash, homie. That's what Randy is.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
And that quote is still used to this day. Great cash, hoie,
great cash homie. Whenever I pay anyone in cash, I
always say straight cash homeie. Oh every single time. That's
going to live on forever.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
How many years ago is that? That was a long
time ago.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Twenty No, it wasn't twenty how I was in high
school man when that happened. He was on the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Right, hey, he was in the Vikings at that time.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
So that was like what five maybe five?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think you need to start this twenty years ago?
Did we start the Talk of the Clock? Now?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Rob's got a little research that he's done. Now, Rob,
how did you get this research?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I just typed in the player's name on co pilot
and what type of you know, football player they are
or a person they are? And it just popped up.
And you know, you gotta work smarter, not harder, you
gotta work.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
What it's all about it is, So let's let's what
is What did a co pilot say?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
This will also help out my reading skills? See dudes
on dudes. I mean we're not the smartest dudes, Julian No,
but we're also not the biggest idiots. I know, we
have common sense and we're here, you know, doing this
show as well to help us out in life as well.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I would say we're idiots. I would say we're idiots.
We're not dumb.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yes, yes, we are idiots in a good way though,
the best way.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
We're not like IQ gonna like knock you off the charts.
But you know, like we're also not going to spend
you know, like all your money. If you have like
two dollars, you're going to spend fifty.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's like, yeah, exactly, there you go. You hit it
right on the nose. And are reading skills I want
to say, are you know?

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Skis are terrible everyone out there.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
So this is gonna help my reading skills. It's going
to help my creativity doing this show as well. And
that's why I wanted to do it. I feel like
it's going to help us out on Fox, you know,
just being able to talk. So we're building muscles.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
And we're also in the idiot because we're going to
use their AI. Let's go, so here we go or no,
we got we got Randy Moss? Right, yeah, Randy Moss?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
All right?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
What is there any musk?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Randy Moss was a dynamic and explosive wide receiver known
for his exceptional speed, leaping ability, and playmaking skills. His
deep threat capability made him a constant challenge for defenders,
as he could stretch the field and make spectacular catches.
Moss was renowned renowned right, Yeah, renowned for his ability

(06:24):
to make acrobatic catches and score touchdowns, earning him earning
him a reputation as one of the most talented and
dangerous receivers in the NFL. Over his career, he was
selected to multiple Pro Bowls and was a key figure
in the two thousand and seven New England Patriots record
setting offense.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
He was he was start the clock, start the clock.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
We got ten minutes, which each player that we will
be talking about.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
First of them. That's pretty damn good by co pilot.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, cop pilot the money and rub.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I think he knocked it out the park.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I was a co pilot reading that.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I know. I think you were the actual pilot.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I was. I was that actual pilot. No co pilot.
You were. You were there, but you weren't there.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I was co piloting by just sitting there.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
You're the passenger. I was a passenger, Yes you were.
I was a passenger. But who know who was the ride?
It was freaking good. It was freaky yeah, which was
also Randy's nickname.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was it was the freak. Randy went to you go,
you went to Marshall.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
There's so many crazy stories about he committed to Florida State,
then he went to Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Did you ever hear those I never heard any of
those stories. But he ended up at Marshall University. Where
is Marshall anyways, West Virginia. It's in West Virginia. Yeah,
and you know he's from Rand, West Virginia. Like Randy
Moss is from Rand, West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
He used to say that all the time in practice.
Hey Rand you Rand?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You remember you would always say that like him, and
like who else was from there?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
White chocolate was from there?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Who's white chocolate? I eat white?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It was white chocolate, Jason, Yeah, teammates, teammates in high school. Dude,
he always loves to fish too, he he That was
the one thing you always knew about Muss in the
off season.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
You were never he was like a farm boy.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah. Yeah, he loved outdoors.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
You love fishing.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Oh, you know. I was traumatized at a young age.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
My brother made me hold like two catfish when I
was like six years old, and he told me they
could sting you and they had big old tentacles, and
you fucking traumatized me. So not a big fisher, I
was like the kid wakeboarding. My brother was like the
fisher you fish nah.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I always got seasick every time we took that boat out, yeah,
you know, and then like a mile off of shore,
I was always throwing up and like really dizzy. So
I never became a big fisherman. I mean I had
a pond behind my house growing up, so I get
like those sunny fish like that was cool, but never
really a big fisherman. I eat fish though. I like
black and salmon and salmon yeah with some good spices

(08:57):
on it. I like a hell of it.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Nice light fish.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah. All right. Back to Randy.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Back to Randy.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
What Hall of Fame? What year was that he went
to the Hall of Fame Football Hall of Fame? That
is was like twy eighteen, twenty eighteen, it was.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
We went to a Super Bowl. He was a twenty
first overall pick. And he had a lot of the there's.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
A lot of like turbulence in his early career, you know,
in college and stuff, which I always thought made Randy,
you know, misunderstood.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
You know, he kind of what would you say when
he was in.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
The locker room, Like he was always a very caring dude,
but he always had his guard up. He always had
his guard up, but like on the low, he would
always give you love. Like for me when I was
I was a rookie receiver. I used to have to
go out and buy all the receivers like lunch whenever
we would have a way trips. Remember before the travel,
the rookie goes and grabs you know, something from Bar Louie,

(09:53):
or you go somewhere you know, Jimmy Johns or something,
and you get the order.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
And Randy would always make me do it.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
But I was a seventh rounders, so I wasn't I
wasn't paid by any meanings, and guys were giving you
crazy orders. Randy would always throw me like three four
hundred bucks. He'd pay for it and make me go
get it. So like he was always he was just
always quite like he would kind of get on me
in front of people, but then when there was no
one around, he'd always loved me up and like, you know,
like he I think he was just putting that on

(10:20):
there to make me, you know, make me accountable.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, for the for the you know quarter career, you know,
quarter year I played with Randy. I thought he was
a great teammate man, and like you said, I feel
like he was misunderstood in the public eye a little bit.
He didn't really care about, you know, the glam and
all that. He like, He just he just rubbed it
off his shoulders like like it was nothing like it
was water Man. But he cared about being a good

(10:43):
guy and he never thought he was too big for
anyone else. I mean, Randy was the best wide receiver
in the game at the time, maybe of all time,
and he cared about, you know, being relatable to the
young bucks. He did he made me feel very warm
and welcome. What did he do to the New England pay.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
What he did to make you feel warm and one?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
So Moss always loved, you know, kicking it back having
a conversation with myself. When I was a rookie, I
was struggling. I was in the playbook like crazy, he's
struggling a little bit. But he just loved how I
played the game. And he always imitated me because I
was big, I was goofy, you know, and he liked
that kind of stuff, you know, And every time I

(11:23):
had a catch or you know, had a touchdown, I'd
be like myself, you know, I'd be giggling, like this.
He'd be like, dude, bro, you always giggling, you always
having a good time, grink like it's coolest shit, man,
coolest shit. How you are man? And I'd be like
it made me feel warm and welcome to be myself
on the Patriots. And I'd be like I always did
that on the field after I get up, like I
don't know, that was just me. I was getting hype

(11:45):
and Moss was like, man, I like, how you do this?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Man?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I like like that cool shit? How you do that?
Like I'm going to do that. After I school a touchdown,
I was like, for real, He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm
going to do that. So what happened game? I think
game number two Buffalo Buffalo. He scored like, you know,
forty yard or post right down the middle like you know,
like Randy Moss does. Because his fastest wide receiver I
probably ever seen play the game freakish you know stride.

(12:10):
It looked like he was going.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Slow, look like, but he was just always passing people
and he.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Was just gliding. It was like a jet ski on water,
like on like flat service, just gliding set yes, and
it didn't look like he was going seventy no, but
he was going seventy maybe eighty on water, which is fast. Yes.
So we get to the game, he scores that touchdown
and he starts doing this like exactly, Yeah, He's being
gronk in the end zone. And I'm twenty one years

(12:37):
old and this is Randy Moss, Frickin' Moss imitating me
after one of his touchdowns. And I thought it was
the coolest thing. I actually never even shared that story
with anyone. I'm not even I'm talking like, I never
shared that story with a friend, a family member. It's
just kind of known within the team, you know, within
the team and the organization. So that's one of the
coolest stories of all time. You know about me Massa

(13:00):
I have personally, and he just made me feel welcome
to the team. Uh. And he just made me feel
like myself because he just loved how I was and
how I played the game. And it was just a
special moment, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
He fucked with dudes that worked hard. Like I remember
on Tuesdays he would come in and do these workouts
where he would do like side step ups, these like
uh step ups, quick feet, and so I would jump
in with them every once in a while, and he'd
do all these medicine ball things where like he'd have
like one leg on a medicine ball and do like
a push up, and you know, he was working your core.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And so I would always I would always see him
do shit, and then I would go do it.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know, I want to do what everything anything Randy did.
But like if he saw you working, he never really
busted your balls, that's kind of got you know, but
if you weren't, if you were you know, if you
were talking and you were a guy that wasn't hurt
or something like any other patriots, any of the patriot
like guys, you know you're gonna hear shit.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
You want to know. You want to also know why.
I would say Randy was misunderstood a little bit. He
was real, yeah, and when people are real, people don't
like that man because like sound like yeah exactly, it
sounds assholey, Like if he didn't want your freaking food,
he's not going to eat your food like you just
didn't want it, you know, if he didn't like you,

(14:16):
he didn't like you, like it's just real shit. And
then that's what makes people misunderstood.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I still can't fathom that Thanksgiving game that he had
what was the screenshot of of his.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, he had three catches like one hundred and forty
six yards, was sixty three yards sixty three yards, oh
and three touchdowns. All his catches were over fifty yards.
It was when he was with the Minnesota Vikings Thanksgiving Day.
He ate the turkey after the game as well. Yeah,
it was just Moss being Moss. Well, Randy was so
special that we actually had a play named.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
After him, Moss.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, Moss, Hoss, Moss.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Which was the Moss signal.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
That was the signal because it was all goes. It
was a go on the left, there was a seam
on the left, there was a seam on the right,
and that. Every time Brady did that, I got excited
because I was always the slack guy going down the field.
So Moss. Every time I saw that play, I thought
of Moss and just felt like I had to turn
the burners on as well.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Rob, you had how many What was your biggest touchdown season?

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I had seventeen touchdowns in twenty twelve, but eighteen because
one of them counted as a rush.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Eighteen touchdowns. He had twenty three touchdowns. How fucking nuts?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Is freaking nuts. I don't think anyone's ever going to
touch that.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I don't know what the eighteen.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I don't think anyone's going to touch it.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Still will because guys aren't playing as many games, like
they don't play the whole season.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, I mean, that's.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Not the reason why. I think just because Moss was
just so dominant twenty three touchdowns. Because when you have
twenty three touchdowns, Moss was only one who can get
away from double coverage and then run away from it
because he was so fast and freaky. Ain't no one
ever going to touch that twenty three touchdown record. I
mean I was pretty close that one year when I
had seventeen. And then actually he was at practice one

(16:01):
of my best training camps of all time, when we
were in West Virginia. Moss came whatever at that dump
play at Greenboro. It's great for football. Coaches loved it
because all you did was focus on football.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
But he can go to the casino, though, is fucking bullshit.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Good thing we would have lost all our money or
want a lot more money and then had it, could
have retired in training camp. But Moss was there when
we were facing the Saints in practice, and I was dominant. Man.
This was a year I was on fire, unstoppable. It
was actually the year we won the Super Bowl versus
Atlanta when I was unstoppable, and it was just unfortunate

(16:35):
that I got lit up up the middle of that year.
But I had like four touchdowns in a row versus
Saints and seven on seven and Moss was right there,
and I was like, Moss, I'm coming for you, man.
That touchdown record is my Go. Gronk, you got a boy.
You're the only one. Gronk, You're the only one that
can beat my touchdown record. Gronk, you got this boy.
I want to see you do. I go, Moss, I

(16:56):
am gonna do a buddy. I'm on coming for twenty three,
no problem. I mean, it was kind of realization at
that time. I was dreaming big. But it was just
so cool to have Moss right there talking ship to
Randy Moss, I'm going to beat his touchdown record in
the middle of practice. Like was one of the coolest
moments I've ever had in practice at Moss, you the

(17:16):
man and the freakiest catch I've ever seen Moss make.
That I will still remember for I will remember for
the rest of my life is the reevous catch. It
was the second game. It was the second game of
the season.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
That was my first start.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
It was so when he did the invitation of me.
It was actually the first game of the season. I
think we played.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
No this was was that that was I don't think
you were there yet, No, I was there.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
So we played the We played Cincinnati my very first game.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Then we went to the Jets. We lost most freakiest
catch I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
We lost the game.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, we lost the game. Uh, Brady just tossed it
up there. He let the play developed, no one was open,
so he tossed it up. One on one coverage Moss
verus Drewry was the best cornerback in the game. Moss
put his hand up in the air and just snagged
it one handed right in the end zone about three
yards in. It was freaky because he extended all the way.

(18:10):
It wasn't like it was like close to his body.
He made that extension, you know, was effortless.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
It looked like he barely did it that when he
was going, He's just like.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
And then oh, and then we played the Buffalo Bills
a third game, and that's when he did the imitation,
imitate Fau imitating me, Oh no, myself, the gronk giggles.
And then we played the Miami Dolphins the fourth game
of the season, and then after that game he was there.
He wasn't there anymore. It was sad. It was you

(18:41):
want to know something, Jules, Oh, I remember it, man,
I remember it. We were we were partying, man, when
he got traded. Were we It was Monday night, and
you know us, we were young bucks man. We went
to Foxwoods, the casino, and.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
We walked in.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
A Monday No, no, it was a Monday. It was
a Monday night game. So to be able to buy
weekend we had I think we had a bye week
or something because we went to Foxwoods Tuesday night because
it was industry night at Foxwoods, and you know us,
we're in the industry of partying at that time. We

(19:18):
were maniacs. We were maniacs. Were this dudes and dudes
bad were having conversation, you know, we're just telling our stories,
just living up, you know, did in the past. And
I remember we were together, man, and you were you
were pretty hungover, I remember, and I was hungover too,
and we turned on the TV. We didn't know anything

(19:38):
what was going on, and we turned on the TV
ESPN and Randy Moss there it was breaking news. Traded
to the Minnesota Vikings, and literally we were like heartbroken.
We were hungover and heartbroken. It was probably the worst
situation you could be in. Yeah, yeah, but we always
climb out of those holes.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
That was. But uh about talk about the Sunday scaries.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, that was. That was the Tuesday morning scaries right there.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
You wake up, you know, oh fuck, we got to
practice is gone.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
That was one of the examples of my early times
in my career that I was starting to learn that
the NFL was a business. Oh yeah, because as a rookie,
you don't know that it's a business. You know you're
gonna make the team. You think you're playing forever. You
can't trade Rainy, trade rain He can't trade Randy Moss.

(20:29):
She's the greatest of all time. And it was really
cool though, because he did that press conference I think
the week before, like he wants a new deal. He
had his headphones around his neck. He kind of he
kind of went off like the Patriots ain't giving me
my new contract. And I thought that was really cool.
Because that's the Randy Moss I knew, like going off,
just just being a real dude.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, he knows.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
And I love that ship. I love when players act
up man, and I thought it was the coolest thing.
So it was sad to see him go, But it
was also sad because that was part of the reason
I feel like he went. You know, bill Is takes
no shit.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
He doesn't.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
But that's when you're reckon, you realize that this is
definitely a business.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
All right. So some final thoughts Randy Moss, What kind
of dude is Randy Mustin? Yeah? What kind of dude
is he? I would say?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
So, we have a stud at like athleticism football IQ,
the pedigree. We have the freak unparalleled physical ability one
of one, pretty much a mutant that sounds pretty close.
We have a dog who's relentless motivated, physical and mental toughness.
We got the whiz dude whose intellect innovative, very clutch.

(21:42):
And we got a dude's dude, positive attitude, locker room guy,
calm cool, collect glue guy.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
He's like a glue guy. Dude's dude.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
And let me tell you every dude that we're going
to be talking about hit all of them. They hit
them all their attributes are all five of them. But
we're trying to find the one that exemplifies them the most.
And with Randy.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Moss, it's easy.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I feel like this is a no brainer, no brainer,
no brainer. It's already in his nickname, the freak.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
The freak, I mean he was. I remember, he's just
so fast.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
He was so he could jump, he he he could
catch the ball. The intricacies of the game where like
that were you would try to coach the guys, like
late hands and stacking the receiver, like those are the
things that like we would try to coach. He just
did it naturally. That's like how he like he just
knew how to judge a ball and high point balls

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like he We literally have segments named after him going
up and just mossing dudes.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
And the way he like the ability he had to
just leap when he was running full speed. It's crazy.
Is what made him so great because he can have
a defender on him because defenders were just as fast
as them. Some of them were, some of the DB's
were all.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Remember he used to challenge Slate all the time.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
But every once in a while there there was a
guy that you know, it was kind of covering, but
what did he do. He just leaped right over him
like a frog and made the catch. And that's what
made him so freaky.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's so crazy to think, like you're when you're running
full speed and you got to track a ball, your
eyes are bouncing like that's like some of the first
things you see, like when from your like off season
training and you jump into like you know, start competing
against guys, the first thing that you always have to
dial in is the bouncy eyes. My eyes would bounce,

(23:32):
and I'm going like a guy to go full speed
and be able to concentrate and then like effortless, see
like a ballerina, jump off one leg, go back massa dude.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Over too, Like that's that's a freak. He's a freak.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I remember, Jules, like you used to always Brad Moss
would do it. So I'm doing it so like right
after the games, like when you landed from an away game,
he would go right to the weight room to get
his workout in. Yeah, and you've been Marshall doing it,
I'm going to do it, you know, like you copied
everything he did. He man, but I don't blame you, man,
he's the greatest of all time.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I will copy him Tom anyone who was around copy
West co copy cat.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
All right, you loved your dudes, You love hanging on
your dudes. Because one dude you wanted the dude on.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
You become a creature of the dudes you hang around.
That's the truth, you know, you become a dude of
the dudes. That's why he keeps around.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Podcasts, you know, because I've been hanging out with you, Jules,
and you have your podcast.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
So I wanted to part now it's just dude dribbing
off on dudes.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So we did Randy Moss, all right, freak of nature,
freak dot He's a freak dude, no question.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
We'll be right back after this quick break. Next dude,
who are we going to do? Next?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Bump bump bump bump bomb. So do we want to
do a current player or a legend?

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I think let's do it. Well, let's do current someone
who's playing right now.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Someone who's playing, because Moss is not playing right now,
so let's switch it up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
All right, So the next guy we're gonna go, Yeah,
you know, he's been researched.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
I mean he's been researched.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
He you know, he At first he was on every
commercial you could see, I believe insurance of some sort
or anything.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Then he got kicked out of somewhere.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, someone's dad got him fired. Someone's from social media.
A social media post from someone's dad got this guy fired.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And then he goes He goes into another environment off
of like off of a plane, gets a win on
a Thursday night game. Then he finds a new home
with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and has an unbelievable first
game with four touchdowns, brings him to the playoffs last year.
The guy who had to replace Tom Brady Baker Mayfield
now gronk.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
What does the co pilot say.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Oh, hold on, well, let me read. Please, let's see
Baker Mayfield, Ladies and gentlemen aka the Baker aka the
Baked Potato, take and Bake aka Shake and Bake aka
Baker Cake extra Frosting with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
You're a poet and you didn't even know it.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
All right, let's see what co pilot has. We're smarter
than what people think, all right.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I think people just dudes.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
So people think dudes are idiots and not smart, but
we're smart.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
What is Tom saying? You know, losers focus on what
winners are doing. When winners focus on what getting their
better or getting better, well, what's ours? Losers focus on
what winners do, and dudes focus on other dudes.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
That's it, that's it, Joels, Yeah, that's a co pilot.
Let's go Baker. Mayfield is known for being a dynamic
and competitive quarterback with a strong arm and quick release
quick He is recognized for his playmaking ability, including his
proficiency in extending plays and making throws on the run.
Mayfield's leadership, confidence, and competitive nature are key aspects of

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his game yea, though his performance can be somewhat inconsistent.
Hey Baker, that was co pilots saying that that's co pilot.
That's co pilot, and the dad that got you fired
probably Yeah, so he was definitely saying.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Taking the data from those those those yeah, it's taking
that he was.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
He has demonstrated the capability to lead offenses and make
impressive plays, but his success can vary depending on the
surrounding talent and coaching. Oh oh, man, like I said,
that's not me stopping.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Co pilot, that's not me.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Let's start the let's start the clock. Let's talk about Baker.
We got ten minutes. We're going to try to chop
it down. We're stopping no matter what at ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yes we are, we can. There's the reason. We want
twenty minutes because it was Moss.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was fifteen.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, no, we want twenty Ready, go all right? Baker
Mayfield went to Texas Tech. Then he went to Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I didn't even know that. So did he set out
a year?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I think he did?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Did he he?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I think he sat out a year and then he
went to Oklahoma, won won a national championship, won a Heisman.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Did he win a national champion? He won a Heisman?

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Hold on an honor and honor of Baker Mayfield too.
I'm gonna take off my new Patriots had and I'm
gonna put on my other former team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
So, do I have a Buccaneers had anywhere? Hold on
and because Baker is currently now on the Tampa Bay Buccaneer.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
He lit it up first week, He let it up.
Man touchdowns came out.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Start you know what, Bake last year they started or
they they finished the year on a high, Like, didn't
they win a bunch of games?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I think yes they did. They had they had a
strong playoff run. They beat the Eagles who currently went
who were the former Super Bowl runner up the year before,
and then uh they lost to the Detroit Lions, who
had who had a solid team. Man then the Lions
played a high of a game that game in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
One hundred percent and Bake, that's a big situation for
him to come up and you know, replace Tom Brady
at a new place, you know, so like for him
to have that confidence that Ai told us about, uh,
you know, like it's it's it shows he's so confident,

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he's very you can put him in any situation and
he's gonna come away like he thinks he should get away,
which is like, that's what you want from your guy.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
That is what you want. And I would say, you know,
his tough time that he had in Cleveland wasn't necessarily
his fault either. I think he had a couple you know,
different offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
And it was banged up. Remember it was last year he.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Tried hanged up a little bit. I think a couple
of different head coaches with the Cleveland Browns. It just
wasn't a good situation. It was kind of a curse
situation be the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. He was
about the fifteenth starter in the last what five years
for the Browns.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
So he still won a playoff game with the pristill
did had hadn't won a playoff game in a very, very,
very very.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
It was very successful. And I feel like the Browns
organization and players just needed someone to blame. I would
say that's kind of why he got shipped out of there.
He was just the easy guy to blame. Yeah, the
easy guy to go after his quarterback.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
It was I mean, you know, he put himself in
a lot of those situations with you know, you put
on the TV, you'd see bake.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Everywhere, Yeah you would, and you know, and so when.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
You do those types of things, expectation and standards get
to an even crazier level, and the people don't manage him.
And like he goes out that last year that he
had he had he needed to get shoulder surgery. So
he tries to play hurt and he looked he didn't
look like himself. He didn't play very well. It was
very inconsistent. And then they go and ship him off

(30:48):
the next year, you know, and they and they bring
in you know, Deshaun, so you know he but what
has he done. He's he's leaned back on what he is.
He's a competitor, man. This dude competes to the very end.
You've seen it in all facets of his career from
college when he took the flag and he spiked it. Like,
this guy's just a fiery dude. He's got a swagger

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to him. You know, he's kind of polarizing with a
lot of people. At the beginning of his career, you
either loved him or you hated him. But now he's
gotten to a point where he's gotten that second life.
He hate that mushroom in Mario and got that extra life.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
And now like.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
People are kind of like rooting for him because they
kind of understand him a little more.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
And he's you know, I think he's coming to his
own this year.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
He has come into his own and I feel like
he learned from his mistakes as well.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, he's a good dude, man, and he's resilient. Man.
He was a walk on at Texas Tech and then
whatever he did, I don't know his whole story transfer
to Oklahoma. He was a Heisman winner. I mean, who
goes from walk on the Heisman winner. He must be
one of the few, if not the only, one to
ever do that. He's got some Baker swag. He has
now signed after bouncing leaving Cleveland getting shipped out going

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to the Panthers. You just know that he's kind of
like a dude's dude, he's kind of like a dog.
He's head budding other players to get him going without
his helmet on, just bleeding all over the place. Other
you know, players love to see that. Your teammates love
to see that. That means you're just all in with them.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Didn't you?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Didn't you recently? You've thrown with him a few times.
I haven't thrown with him yet. We had a couple
of times, uh, you know, a couple planned sessions to
throw and then actually the field, the place told us
that it was occupied so they didn't want Baker and
the Gronk on their fields. Bullshit, Yeah, we would have
teared up their field too much. I think that's what

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it was. And they had a game that night or something,
but he went from Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
We can't just throw spikes on that rute the.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Carolina And the best thing I think ever happened to
him was going to LA for like that half season
and going under coach Ehn McVay and getting that opportunity
to start a couple games and to show people who
he really was. Man, you know, just to go into
new program b be there for a week or two,
U learn from his lessons. I'm mistakes, I would say
over the past the years prior, and just go in

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and go win a game on Thursday Night football. And
then the Tampa Bay Buccaneers they need a quarterback. That's
a team that I know that you shut down. I mean,
I know Tom called you and was like, hey, Jules,
you want to come to the Buccaneers and and you said, no,
I'm a Patriot for life. You were too cool for us.
So uh yeah, so Baker not Baker though, No, No,

(33:25):
he's a dudes. Dude. He said, I ain't too cool
for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Like Julian the squirrel addleman,
I'm going to go there. I'm going to show them.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
What was under contract.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Rob. This is a resurgence of my career, which would
have been a resurgence of your career. Jules. If you
came down, you would probably still be playing with this
guy if you went to the bus.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I had to go down with the ship buddy.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
He showed him what's up last year.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I had to go down with the goddamn ship Titanic.
You know the old captain, Yes, yes, that's like me.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
And you know the violin guy. Yes, I'm playing guy,
the violin guys, I'm playing.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I respect that bro. Go down with you. But back
to Baker. Yes, so I worked out with Baker. You
know you thought I threw with him, but I said
I worked out. Obviously, you didn't freaking pay attention to me, Julian.
When I was talking to you a couple of weeks ago,
I was, yeah, yeah, you knew I hung out with him,
But I said I worked out with him. I didn't
throw with him. But I might have said actually that

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we had a couple throwing sessions plan but they got canceled.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
But did you catch a ball from now?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I did not catch you. No, he did not throw
a single ball. But he's like a he's an ultimate
like teammate. He's like an ultimate locker room guy. It's
like a guy that you know, quarterbacks aren't really like this.
I mean, he's a quarterback that will go have a
beer with you at the bar. He's a quarterback though, Yeah,
I'll get fucked up with you. We didn't get fucked

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up or anything like that. I'm just saying I could
just tell he's a guy like that. He's a guy
that will come over and chop it up while watching
the game whatever it is, you know, the w NBA
or if it's soccer, you know, whatever it is, you know,
he'll have his opinion. He'll make you laugh. He's a
guy like a politician. No, he's not a politician at all.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
What do you think about it? He like he's like
the mayor of the locker room. He like in a way,
but no, what's due. No, politicians are sometimes bullshit. He's
no bullshit. He's no bullshit.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Ules. He's a guy that wants to see you beat
absolute dog. He's a guy that's cheering you on. I
was breaking some PR records this year in the weight
room and he was cheering me on and we were
going nuts after the PR records that hit. He's just
hyping me up. I'm hyping him up to break PR records.
He's a guy that's not afraid to get dirty. He's

(35:37):
under the bench press, he's doing the squats with you,
he's doing the deadlists. And what I really like about
the dude is like he's just a normal dude man.
He just wants to have a good time. He actually
signed a three year, one hundred million dollars deal the
morning of and then he came to the workout session
that day and it was like nothing happened. It was

(35:58):
just like he showed up and have an ego. He
didn't have a big hat or nothing. He just showed up,
put the work in that day and hit some more prs.
And that's what I appreciated about him. He's a dude man,
He's a dog. He wants to get dirty. He wants
to just have a good time. He wants to laugh.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
He's fiery.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I see I can see him doing that, and he's
I mean, he he's a funny guy.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
He is funny. He is definitely funny.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
He's got a good personality.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
He does. He's got a great personality, that's for sure. Uh,
he's gritty, you know, I would see I feel like
he would get in the trenches with you. You definitely
get him if necessary, you can't.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You know, there's something to be said, you know, I
bet you Cleveland looking back on this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Is probably like man or, we probably wish we had Baker.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Still, Cleveland made a mistake, that's for sure, letting Baker
Mayfield go. They on did I think it was the
best thing that happened to Bake Baker was him getting
let go by Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I mean they're cursed, bro, They're cursed. Their quarterback situation's curse.
I would say the best quarterback they had was Joe
Flacco and then they let him go. He's a backup
now with the Colts.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Ten minutes up, game over. Final thoughts, Final thoughts.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Oh man are fight on walk on the Heisman.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
So in the category, I mean, this one is pretty
easy to me too. You know, you got stud, you
have freak, you have a whiz, you have a dude's dude,
and you have a dog dog. He's relentless, motivated, self motivated,
physical mental toughness proved his physical toughness.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Trying to play a year with a bum shoulder.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I'm saying it bakes a dog. You really you're going
with dog. I was gonna say his best two attributes,
I would say is being a dog and a dude's dude.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
So dudes do to dog, I would say.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Since I worked out with him, I felt like he
was a dude's He was definitely a dog, There's no
doubt about that. But positive guy. He had great attitude.
He was a locker room guy. He was calm. You know,
he was collected. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Duge dude's like in astic way I'm going the dude's
dude is perfect.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I feel like he was a dude's dude. My man,
ud go play paintball with you. He goes freaking to
the bar, pound six Beers, daven Busters, whatever you name it. Oh, pickleball.
I play pickleball with him. Man. Good just a normal dude, man,
Just a normal dude out there just trying to have
a good time. Yeah, he's decent. Nah, Actually no, he

(38:43):
wasn't that good at pickleball. Scotty Miller and I beat him.
Scotty Miller is really good, is he? Yes? Scott Miller
really good tennis player. Yeah, he's like a little like
he's like the guy that just want to slap because
he's just always just non stop going and pickleball, like
always talking guy. Yeah, he's the flea. He's just got
email us, the flea and pickleball. But he's great to

(39:05):
have on your team.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Dudes, dude for Baker. All right, let's get to our
last guy.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Our last guy is someone that played before us. We
never played with him. A legend, tall, handsome, crazy stories
about him, you know, crazy urban legends about like he
would only have al dubras l doublas.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I'm not saying what the L dobrays mean. I don't
know that type of L doubles they were, but I
heard the word in the street was al dobras only
or nothing.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
What does l do mean?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Not just one but two jewels held blas? He was
so good looking he wanted allowed just one l do
Blade is he would allow to only And I mean
that's just a word on this street, the urban myth.
And let me tell you it was my rookie year
when I heard that urban myth, and man did I

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think it was one of the coolest things I've ever heard.
I wanted to be like this guy more than anyone else.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Man Blade, Tony Gonzalez.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
I mean I already kind of know already from the
beginning what category he fits in.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
But wait, what's our co pilots say, rob Let's see.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
What our co pilot says about Tony. Hmm, good old
Tony Gunzalez. He basically has every record in the record
book at number one for.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
A long time. Keep it for the time limit, We'll
keep it.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
They're talking about keep it for the time all right,
hit the time limit. Now we're going to start the
time limit when the co pilots. Yeah, that makes sense.
We're taking off, co pilot. Check your engines, check engines on.
Tony Gonzalez was a highly skilled and versatile tight end
in American football, known for his exceptional receiving abilities. He

(41:08):
was renowned, right, that was the right word again, renowned. Hey,
they use this word twice now, I.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Mean, you know that's English.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
That's not good. We're smarter than co pilot. For his
precise route running, reliable hands, and athleticism. Over his career,
Gonzalez became one of the greatest tight ends in NFL
history history, earning fourteen Pro Bowl selections. Let me put
the let me put this stat into perspective. I've only
played eleven football seasons in my career, fourteen Pro.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Bowl selections, timeless Latin, don't crack, baby.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
They don't. And numerous records for receptions in receiving yards
at his position, including the tight end touchdown record as well.
I think he has like one hundred, like twenty six touchdowns. Actually, no,
Toonio Gates hold that holds that right to Yeah, he does,
My bad, But Tony Gonzalez holds every other record all right.
His ability to contribute as a receiver and a blocker

(42:01):
made him a key asset to any offense. And that's
the truth. He played for two teams. He was an
absolute legend with the Kansas City Chiefs, and then he
went to like the Atlanta Falcons at like what thirty three,
thirty four years old and still balled and still ball
at that age. I remember Coach Belichick. We played the
Falcons a couple of times when I was a rookie,
second year, third year player, and all he did was

(42:22):
circle Tony Gonzalez and said, we have to stop this guy.
We want to win if we want to have, you know,
the ability to have a chance if the defense wants
to perform well, we have to stop Tony Gonzalis. We
gotta jam him off the line. He makes contested catches.
So you got to follow through with the play, you know,
make sure he doesn't get up and jump over you.

(42:44):
Make sure he doesn't turn and get that ball. You
gotta follow every movie makes from the start of the
play to the end of the play, and you gotta
double cover him.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
You got to. You got him.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
I loved him though, because I remember at Berkeley he
was playing basketball, dunking on dudes like he was a
fucking athlete. He's He's one of the first like athletic
tight ends, like pure athlete tight ends that the game
has seen.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
He was so smooth and he was one of the
first ever to start that tradition of hey, a basketball player,
a power forward can play in the NFL at the
tight end position. And he played basketball at kal So
shout out to the Pac ten. He played in the
Pac ten. I played in the Pac ten. Yes, rest
in peace to the whole Pack twelve conference.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
To play in the Pac ten. But keep going RP. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
He made it to the Sweet sixteen at the University
of California, and in two thousand and two he played
in the NBA Summer League as well for the Miami Heat.
That's just a type of athlete Tony Gonzalez was, and
I feel like that's kind of why he was the
player he was, and why he was so durable too,
because he had that basketball background. I feel like basketball

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players sustain their athleticism and skill set way longer than
the football players. They're way more fluid, they're way more flexible,
so much more smooth.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
I feel like this muscles sometimes better for that it is.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
And I feel like football players trained well, no, I
mean trained the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Trained too hard, We.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Trained too high, too, made us too stiff. And that's
what made him the player that he was, because he
trained like a basketball player.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
He always just he just was smooth. Always, he always
looked smooth.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Apparently the urban religion is that he's smoothed off the
field as well. But uh, you know, whenever you saw
him go up and catch a ball, like in slow motion,
it almost looked like he was a dancer, like with
how effortless and light he was on his feet for
such a big dude. And then him always dunking the
football and the goal post is something that I remember

(44:46):
through my childhood and early on in my career when
he was at the later part of his career that
he did all the time.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
And kind of like that football you know, I mean
the basketball transition to the NFL. I feel like the
guy was so durable as well. He missed like what
two games in his career? Yeah, play, well, how many
you only missed two games? Eighteen seasons? How many seasons
did he play eighteen nineteen to how many games? It
was something.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Ridiculous, that's insane.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It was just nuts. He was just just an absolute animal,
so smooth, so athletic, and he was great off the
field too. One of the best looking guys I've ever seen.
Still still to this dayans he still looks like I
was watching him on Thursday Night football last night. But
he's he's a great analyst as well, you know, he
just speaks the truth, he gives his insight. He's great

(45:33):
for Amazon. Uh. And he was just looking so he
was looking tan, shiny, handsome.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
He had that white outfit on with like he had
like that fringe kind of thing going.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Haird was on point.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Hair has always been on point. Tony Gonzalez has head spectacular.
It seems like it hasn't colored.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I bet this guy would walk into a club or
bar in the middle of his heydays and he wouldn't
even have to say a word, and the fricking janitors
would have to come out and put those signs as say, caution,
what don't slip? He is that because he got all

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the girls panties going. There's no doubt he didn't even
have to say a word. He would just walk in.
That's the type of swag Tony Gonzalez has.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
He was that good looking and he was swaggy aura and.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
It translated to the field as well. His play was
just like a good looking rober.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
What are some of the things that you tried to
emulate from Tony's game?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Just overall, he was a complete tight end as well.
It wasn't the greatest blocker of all time, but he
did it. He exemplified what being a tight end was.
You know, he went pancake guys, but he would get
in the way, he would move guys. He was willing
to block. That's kind of what made him so great.
Just as a kid, Tony Gonzalez was one of my
heroes growing up. I remember in Buffalo when I was

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there growing up. I was in high school. You know,
the Bills weren't that good, but there was a chance
that Tony Gonzalez was about to get traded to the
Buffalo Bills, because he eventually did get traded to the
Atlanta Falcons. And there's always talk because he was always
on such crappy teams in Kansas City and he always performed,
he always produced, and that's what made him so great.

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But uh, there's always trade talks as well at the
end of his career with Kansas City for like five years,
because he wanted to go win. And I remember our
whole entire high school was talking about Tony Gonzalez going
to the Buffalo Bills. Just how excited we all were
because Tony Gonzalez was gonna possibly get traded. Can never happen.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Could you imagine high school version of Rob and his
boys in Buffalo, like.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
We're back to the super Bowl exactly. That was exactly
how it went.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
You know, he really did evolve. I think he's one
of the huge figures or guys that help evolve the
tight end position in that nineties window. Now there was
great tight ends, the winning wins Lows and the Dias
in the back of the day, like those were really
great tight ends. But you know it was kind of

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like those guys put their hand in the dirt and
you know they were just kind of like an extension
of the run game that sometimes went out to catch
a pass.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
You know. Tony Gonzalez, he came like he became.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I remember watching him, which we used to do a
lot with you putting them outside the formation in the
red area and saying, hey, we're just gonna play jump
ball with our tight end. Like I don't remember that
before Tony Gonzalez. And I'm sure people are gonna hit
us in the comment sections with a bunch of guys
that did. But like for my era of football that
I grew up with, that's what I remember. Tony Gonzalez

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just always having the ball in his hand, always doubled,
finding a way, like super savvy route runner, like space
guy because of basketball. It's very similar to basketball and space.
He was great the space. And then you know the
guy was just freaking good looking.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
He was good looking. That was a great way to
end that, you know, that phrase of just everything you
said about.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
It, could you mess?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
He'd probably be he'd probably be considered one of the best,
because they say one of the best with Tony Gonzalez.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
If he had a Super Bowl, would he be the best?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
I feel like that not winning the Super Bowl is
definitely hindering him. Yeah, it kind of sucks because he
did everything possible and then more every single year.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Every year.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
It was like for a long time, it wasn't like
he had he had. I think he led the league
in receptions one year in two thousand and four, one
hundred and two catches, Like when was the last time
a tight end led the league in receptions, and like
the next year he would have ninety five receptions. The
next year he would edit eighty five, next year he
would have whatever ninety more. I got. Like, he was
so freaking consistent and he never won a championship. Like

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that's a tough situation to be in. That's sad. That
kind of sucks as a player to play that long
and be that consistent and just never been on the
right team. You know, he kind of almost won one
with Atlanta. I think they went, you know, to the
playoffs a couple of times, but that was when we
were in our era. You weren't you weren't going to
beat US Patriots. But that just sucks having little team

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success and always just giving it your all and always
showing up, and it's hindering him. I would say, in
the tight end rankings, you people say all gronk, which myself, Kelsey,
you know. I mean, Tony Gonzalez is always up there,
But I see people not put him in their top
five before, like Antonio Gates, well, Mike Dicker, they say,

(50:48):
you know in Winslow, Yeah, Winslow. But Tony Gonzalez exemplified
what being a tight end is. He's the one. He's
the one that made being a tight end cool to
younger kids like myself.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I mean, he was such a badass in Kansas City
his rookie year. He had a flu game, a Jordan
type flu game, where he bawled the fuck out, managed
to catch a touchdown pass, and he created the performance
to eating some chicken soup, like, how smooth is this guy?

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Well, what food gives you super power? Jewels? Chicken soup
was was Tony Gonzalez's superpower.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I would say, tomato soup. I'm more of a tomato soup.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I feel like you were the English muffin with sausage,
hag cheese, sausage English muffin. I remember every single day
you ate that, and it was like giving you your superpower.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I'd have a smoothie F five and then I'd have
my right before right before team eating sausage, egg and cheese.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
That's what it is now, is your superpower. Tomato soup.
I never seen you have tomatoes soup. Body.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I loved tomano soup.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, I never seen you get it.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
But I was just trying to reference because of soup.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, but you never eat tomatoes, did you?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Did you have a favorite pregame soup? Super proud? I did.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I always had my chocolate milk with a peanut butter
and jelly. And the jelly was my mom's homemade jelly.
What kind of fruit strawberry strawberry jam?

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Your mom made homemade jam?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, that's the best strawberry jelly ever.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I remember she came over with that chicken buffalo did
or whatever that was good with rich crackers, and that's
what you dip it in.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
She made that as well. Stop talking about my mom.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Let's get onto. Let's get onto.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
What dudes do though? Du do talk about moms? Though?
I mean so I guess so, I mean you're giving
her prop So I guess you can keep talking about
my mom, saying anything sideways about moment. But I know
where you got anything. I know where you go. Get
out of here, missus, Allaman, I love her. I just
saw Hery you remember at the live show. Yeah that
was cool, but your dad was there, so I couldn't

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get a little inappropriate ten minutes. So ten minutes is up?

Speaker 3 (52:53):
And what kind of dude is Tony Gonzalez?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
This one was easy. I mean it's like I said,
he's a dude's dude. You know, he's a dog. He's
a freak. But the most, you know, the most characteristic
that Tony Gonzalez exemplifies is definitely on and off the
field big time, like no doubt about it. He's a
freakingud stud.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
He's a stud stud at everything he does, basketball, football.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Analyst, breaking every record.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Bar settings. He's probably a stud. Yeah, super stud, super stud.
He's like he's like that horse.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
That you like, you know, you go out and you
made it, Hey you get that stud com Yeah, he's
just he's the stud horse. I wonder if he has
a thing as big as a horse too. Because yeah,
he's a he's a stud. I'm not gonna try and
imagine that, but I would probably say, but you just

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imagined it. Yeah, I would probably say, so, that's just Tony.
He's such a stud muffin. He's like every muff and too,
it'stun muffing, a littleberry muffin. He's a cinna cinnamon muffin.
He's the regular muffin muffins. I like a lemon, Yeah,
lemon poppies. He's a poppy seed. Like he makes those
girls like feel like they're numb. Yeah, because that's what

(54:17):
poppy seeds do, don't They give you a high, like
morphine high if you do.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I think that's where they make heroin from. But that's
what from. I don't think that's from the muffin though.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
No, it's from the poppy seeds. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
But like I think there's like a real extensive that's
why he's a little.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Extreme poppy sea. Yeah, but he is the extraction.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
We'll be right back after this quick break. Before we
wrap up, Let's do one final segment. Let's grade. Let's
we're gonna have one segment that's always a little random
at the end of each show and this one, we're
gonna talk former teammates that are also in the media

(54:57):
world with us.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I like this, this all right, all right, let's start off.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Let's start off. First off with Devin mccordy.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
First off, I think I was the first in the
media world. You know, I'm competitive, Robbie. I was a first.
Right when I retired from New England, all you idiots
were still playing and I went into the media world
just laughing. And actually I started off in the media
with the furry squirrel that he's going to always get
his nut in the end zone. He's always gonna score.

(55:27):
The furry squirrel is always going to come out on top.
So thank you, Jules for starting my media career, my
analyst's career, my being on TV career, or whatever you
call it.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Thank you for just being you.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Thank you and uh and then here you come. You retire,
and then I go back to football like an idiot.
You're laughing at me.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Now, did I I was there when you were playing.
I was an inside the NFL.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, for your last year and not who we got.
So we're grading our former team we got, we got coached.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
We'll start with We'll start with Devin mccordy. What's I mean, Devin?
I think his first show wore two super Bowl rings.
Didn't he wear a couple of super Bowl rings on
the show.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Did he?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
So?

Speaker 1 (56:13):
What is that like? Come on a little corny, that's
that's that's cornball, Cornball mccorty, cornball man. Oh, he's gonna
come after He already came after me. Yeah. I love
when he comes after you. It makes me laugh. I
wanted to come after me. He's gonna definitely take the
funniest shot at both of us.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, but you know what, he tries so hard at him.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Cornball he he.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
But he's having success. He's NBC something.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
He kills it.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I think he's having success.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
He's doing so smart and he knows how to talk
very well.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
His smile is contagious. It is just like bright white
smile just goes with complexion. It's like sticks right out
at you. He's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
You know, a guy that gives the freaking post pregame
speech is gonna be great on TV. Okay, he gave
the guy damn pre pregate street.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
He gave no speech. That's why I'm still struggling too.
That's why we're struggling.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
That's what we got a podcast.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
That's why we're Dudes on Dudes, because dudes on Dudes
are always struggling, Like, for real, we were freaking spending
our last dollars to get to the game and buy
a beer. Yeah, yeah, freaking. But we're always laughing, having
a good time. That's what Dudes on Dudes is about.
Always laughing, dude, always matter what the comment is, good, bad, negative, positive, helpful,

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not helpful.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
I wouldn't say I'm always like that.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Oh I get it cranky, Yeah me too sometimes.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
All right, let's go to Rob Nikovich.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
He has a podcast.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
He was on TV.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
First off, Rob Nikovich was the biggest whist. When he
was on ESPN. It was like he was still under
Coach Belichick's training money along, like he was still scared
to say anything that he wanted to say his thoughts.
He was scared. And then he's eyes you can see
in his eyes, and he blames everyone else, why why
he's not there? They booted his ass, They booted his ass.

(58:09):
ESPN booted your ass. But we love him and we
want him on, want him. He absolutely killing on your podcast.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I think I think, I think Nico is very very entertaining,
and he has he's got a low key great impression.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
And I always say that to him, like dude, just
let yourself go, like stop thinking. And now he's taking
it to another level now saying he hates Matt Jones slop,
he's gonna fight him, Like what you're gonna fight back
Jones and guys on the jab wires now like like
you're going too far now he has between. Yeah, I

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love that guy so much. I loved I think.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
I think he's good on TV. I think he's good.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
He is good.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
James White, he's been the most talkative I've ever seen
in the world.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
James White never said a word in his life.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Until I saw I didn't realize he's smoking till I
se him on TV and he's fucking great.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yeah, And you want to know the best thing, I
just saw a clip of him on Instagram this morning
and he goes whenever it was a college he had
a college tackle it, whenever, whenever you know, we threw
an interception, I was on the field, I like to
make the other team pay for it for the interception.
And then it freaking shows him making the tackle, laid
out the guy and he fumbled the ball on the hit.

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He goes he I was just waking him up, just
waking off. I'm like, commentary by James what what the hell?
Just wait, you gotta see it just the way he
said it, just waking him up. You know, he's just
making him pay.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
He was always slick with the comment. Yeah, quiet comment
out of out of left field. You hear James White?

Speaker 1 (59:39):
What the fuck was that?

Speaker 3 (59:40):
James?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
The guys that never talk, you listen when they talk, and.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
You listen with James White. It's awesome to see him
on TV. Uh.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Brian Hoyer and David Andrews have started a podcast.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Now, that was a little weird when I saw that one,
I was like Hoyer and David Andrews.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
But I guess you know, they touched each other a lot.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, they did center quarterback exchange. They got
to you know, I mean, as a former quarterback, you
have a connection with the guy's balls that you touch
all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
And god forbid it be on like a Saturday practice
where no one's wearing jocks and you guys are doing
like walkthrough and you feel having to lift his ball
sack up when you put his hand under like there's
a connection. So I understand the podcast. I think it's
gonna be a great podcast. I haven't had a chance
to watch yet.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I haven't had a chance either. But you know, Hoyer
wasn't really a talkative guy either. I mean he was, but.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Not not too mu que behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
He was quiet talkative. So that's why I was like
surprised to see him doing the podcast he does.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
He always had state of the Union like he'd always
like be talking in the locker with you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
You think you think he wanted to, you know, like
have that feeling like he's David Andrews guy and not
Tom like you know, yeah, I mean like I'm David
Andrews guy, like I get to feel his ball still
not you Tom, because he was you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
He's he loved Tom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, he loved Tom. So yeah, am I going to
is this like one of your friends take names less
off that I'm just going way overboard, Yes, just coming
up with some crazy shit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
It's definitely that's a soft take.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, all right, let's go with the not all our
takes are going to be good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
No, they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Dudes, and dudes, we got some shitty takes them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Yeah, we're fucking just dumb dudes, but smart as shit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
But not idiot dudes that aren't dumb. Idiot dudes that
aren't dumb. Let's what about media butterfly socialite coach Bill
Belichick now coach Baalichick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Man, he's killing the game at I kind of like
it because everyone always said throughout our career, hey, you
know coach Ballichack is different off the field, Like you know,
all his friends say that, all the people that hung
out in former players. It's like, you got to see
him off the field. I'm like, he's my freaking coach.
I'm never going to see him. I don't want to
see him off the field. Can I see him every
day already?

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
And this is a highlight of him off the field.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah, And he kind of he is kind of like
a dude's dude a little bit. He is a dude.
He has due characteristics. He didn't as a coach, but
he has dude characteristics in ways.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
I think he's been good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
I honestly, if you want to see the real Bill, Okay,
this is what you do. You put cameras in a
dark room and you just get the shittiest football plays
from that week of the NFL and you just watch
them react and grade that film.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
That would be real Bill Belichick. That's what That's what
I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Say, it would be. I just want to see him
just just chirping someone and calling someone the big just
the biggest asshole, just messing up play after play after
play and they're not listening to the coaching points and
that's but going off on them. I want to see
that type of Bill Belichick on whatever show he's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
That's exactly. But he's been very knowledgeable though he kills it.
I mean, he's a fucking he's an encyclopedia. He's he's
seen more football than we've played in, Like, has forgotten
more football than important games we've played in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yes, and according to the Ross, he has guy and
all of Tom's touchdown passes and he still remembers yours.
Those girls.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
See, he's a roaster.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
He's a roaster. How about Tommy, Tommy, Oh, Tom Brady
obviously following the squirrel's footstep in the Great Ronx Footstop.
He always wanted to be like us, he always did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
He wanted to be a regular guy, even though he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, he's not a regular guy. He's too big time
to be a regular guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
No, But I think that was a great starting point
for Tom. And we all know Tom's characteristics. He's gonna
take this game and he's gonna learn from it, and
he's gonna do everything he can to make himself better.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Which that was such a shitty first.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Game if you think about it, a blowout for your
first game Cowboys Browns. You thought it was gonna be
such a closer game. But you know, I'm looking forward
to seeing him this week, and I'm excited for man.
I'm excited to watch him because he's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
See I want Tom Brady to be the best commentator
of all time. And you want to know what made
Tom Brady the best of all time is when people
doubt him. So Tom, you suck, bro, You suck?

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Man. Yeah, well, let me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Tell you, he's gonna make me pay for that. He's
gonna show me up now. And that's he didn't suck that.
I just wanted to say, he didn't suck. He was
really good, very knowledgeable. We were lucky enough to be
around the most knowledgeable coach of all time and most
knowledgeable player of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
But we all know Tom plays better pissed off. So yeah, Tom,
he sucked. Yeah, what else? But he sucked? What else?

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
What else?

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Do you said? He couldn't fill airtime, just like his ball,
we couldn't fill that. He couldn't. He couldn't fill the
air deep ball, he couldn't fill the air either. So
he's not a deep ball or he's just not. He
just can't fail.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
There because he will get so sensitive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
He's sensitive Tom, he is. Oh, he can give it
to you, but he can't take it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
No ever, that's a rap.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
All right, that's a rap, and that's a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Rap of our first episode. How do you think it went?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I think it was all right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I feel like we started groove. We started really hitting
the groove on the last segment, that's for sure. I
feel like my endorphins started flying. Then I was really
I'm not lying. I felt like it was a game day.
I was really nervous. This morning was like, what the
heck's going on with me? Why is my whole body jittery?
I don't like that feeling because like kind of feel stiff,
and then it's kind of like any other game in

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my career. It always happened. And then halfway through, after
I got smacked in the face a couple of times,
I woke up and I feel like that's exactly what happened.
I feel like I performed decently. You did great as well,
but I started becoming myself really in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
More so was it the Anthony Gonzalez barroom setting talk
of him being a studs which got your endorphins up?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
It really is what got my endorphins up. So I
feel like I can definitely improve big time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
I think we did. And it's our first episode. This
is so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It's fun, and I can't wait for other If we
have fun, people are gonna have fun. That's just how
you know, I think it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I don't think I had the most fun I could
possibly have, but until the end, I think we really
had fun then, and that's what we need to be.
We got to be loose. I was uptight a little
bit first because, just like I said, feeling it out,
feeling it out, and we want to get good and
we want to get so loose at we're just here
chopping it up and it's like we're seriously just on

(01:06:30):
the couch, just bullshitting, laugh how loose, so loose, like
as loose as a freaking damage to dildo did that
was thrown on the field at the Buffalo game. That
was thrown at you when you scored the touchdown. That loose,
like as loose as that fan use that thing on,
whoever he used it on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
It wasn't mine, he said, Brady's dial though, yeah it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Did, Brady like this loose. Now we're talking like this loose.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Well, that's wrap of the first episode of Dudes. Remember
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Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
No, not a game, Julian, a player that you want
us to do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Comment a player.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
But we're dudes. We make mistakes, We're not here, We're
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Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
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