June 21, 2024 • 23 mins
I have all I need because God is all I need. In Mindset MasterClass Session 2, New York Times bestselling author Pastor Steven Furtick sits down with Brendon Burchard to discuss practical tools that can help us gain a new perspective on the things God has already placed in our hands.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, this is Stephen Ferdick.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I wanted to thank you for joining us today. Hope
this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hope it gives your perspective to see God is moving
in your life.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Enjoy the message.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Until my identity in Christ starts affecting how I interpret
my life, I really still don't get it yet. And
if I see myself just as somebody that God loves,
because well, Jesus died on the cross, and there's a
group insurance plan and I got in on it because
I accepted Jesus, and now God kind of has to
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include me with all of my pre existing conditions, then
I have missed the point of what it means to
say that I am a masterpiece made by God. I am.
In the Greek it literally says a poema, like a poem,
like God's poem.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And the idea that Christ is in me means more
than just he died from two thousand years ago. That
is huge. I'm not downplaying that at all.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I'm just saying that the fact of Christ being in
you has to do more with your everyday life than
you might think.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Because as long as we look at God as.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Being out there somewhere, you know, I'm throwing up a
prayer to the big man upstairs or man I'm looking
for God to kind of come down and fix this
situation and don't shift it to the internal. Then we're
basically living our life with no agency. Right, We're living
our life if I understand my basic psychological terms correctly,
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we're living our lives at the mercy of our impulses,
stimulus response, and no Christ in the middle to say,
wait a minute, I'm a child of God. Wait a minute,
I belong to God. I have faith, I have the
grace of God. I get to appropriate God's power in
this situation as I surrender to him.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Right, so good, so good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
The way I think about it is often a lot
of the trouble we have in our mindset is go
to identity first. And you know, in what I love
about faith and religions of the world, it says, actually
interpret things through the Word, interpret things through Him and
what He intended, versus just how you feel and who
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you think you are. Because if I ran my entire
life based on identity, who I think I am and
how I'm feeling and how I identify in these groups
versus a higher moral ethic versus spiritual.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Guidance, we'd be a hot mess.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And I think that's one of the things we struggle
with in the world right now. That's why we have
I would say we have a selfie culture versus a
service culture. We have a selfi culture because we're all
focused so much on identity and we're sometimes missing the
higher calling, the higher service that if we interpreted life
in a different way through faith, through spirituality, we'd probably
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act differently. And so it sounds like when I say,
you know, mindset is interpretation that identity. Sometimes people would
think that's, oh, that's an negative thing because you're saying
impulse and then self. But I'm often saying too, interpretation
is connecting to a higher cause or higher moral ethic,
higher spirituality. And I'm within that. I am within like
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Christ is in me. I am part of this. This
is a bigger thing than just me. And I think
that's actually empowering because I can understand I'm enough because
I'm you know, He's in me, but I'm external too.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Since you're already there, I think we should just dive on,
download deeper into this because I know you wonder about
this too, sometimes self esteem, like self worth, like I'm enough,
It's it's sometimes just so flip it right. And yet
I know me. I know the the dark parts of me.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I know not only the mistakes I make, but the
mistakes that I want to make that I hold myself
back from that are even worse than the ones that
I make. And knowing all of that about me, I
want shared with our church, and I share it a
little bit in the book that accepting Jesus wasn't that
hard for me? Like we have this phrase accepting Jesus
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as your Lord and say you're a receiving Christ. Well,
accepting him, I get forgiven, loved, get to go to Heaven. Great,
sign me up. I'm accepting Jesus. He has the way
that I should live, he has all wisdom, all power.
I'm accepting Jesus. That took me, you know, just opening
my heart and accepting him. But accepting Stephen, that's a
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little harder. And I have a real passion to help
you with this because I think it's possible for you
to accept Jesus and not accept you. In fact, this
mindset in the book goes with an action step they
each do, and this action step.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Is accept yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And I put it with a capital S, not because
your God and God is you and believe that. I
believe that basically the self that God wants you to
accept is your spirit, which is made perfect and complete
in Him, which is cleansed, and.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Then it's covered up by all of this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So I want to know as you've studied it, because man,
you've looked into this from every different angle and the
terms that we throw around sometimes about self worth and
self esteem and identity, sometimes it's a moving target. It's
not like I just either accept myself or I don't.
It kind of depends on the time of day or
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what just happened or what stimulus I just ran into.
So talk to me about how that self worth, self
esteem think can be a moving target for us.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think you nailed this in the book that this
you know I Am enough comes back down to recognizing
that we are more than what limits us, and we
are more than what's missing. As you say in the
first part of the chapter, you say, you know you're
more than just what's missing. That sometimes the reason it
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feels like a moving target is because in every given situation,
we go, am I capable.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
To handle this?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's at that moment, that's what we're saying.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Am I enough? Am I capable of handling this? Then
we say, oh, am I doing it right?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Am I perfect? And we consider perfect enough? And then
we say do I have as much? Or am I
as good as them? That makes me enough because I
compare well? So we usually say am I capable? Am
I perfect? Am I comparing well?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Those are the three moving targets, and you're never going
to hit all three of them, so you're never going
to feel enough because if that's how you equate enough,
you're in trouble. So in all the psychology always comes
back down to definitions. Right, So what does it mean
for you to be enough? And that's what will start
in coaching sometimes, what does it mean for you to
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be enough?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Maybe you put that in the chain, Yeah, what does
it mean enough? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Because most people say what does it mean to be enough? Well,
I got to be perfect. I got to be capable
to handle all the complexity of this new business or
this new challenge or this new issue I'm facing, And
oh yeah, I got to compare well next to my neighbor. Well,
if that's what enough to you is, you're never going
to achieve it. You'll never get near it because those
three things are always moving in every given new situation.
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So at some point, just like happiness in our life,
we discern what is happiness to me? And in this
case we have to say, well, what is enough to me?
Is me being enough? Does that mean I'm confident? Does
it mean I feel capable? Does it mean I'm worthy?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
What does it mean?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And people often only explore that once they get to
the point where it feel like, oh wait, I am
doing life kind of good.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I am measuring up pretty well. With the Jones you
taught something one time. I think it really fits with
this mindset. I would love for you to hear this
game changing teaching that Brendan has on integrating your wins. Now.
I've shared some of this before, but I can't share
it the way you do. And I realized that maybe
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part of the reason I can't share it is because
I'm scared sometimes to give myself any credit because it's like, no,
it was all God. I like the joke that sometimes
will tell a singer in church you know, wow, you
really did great today's singing, and they'll go, no, it
wasn't me, it was it was all God, to which
I always want to say, no, it wasn't all God.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It wasn't that good. If it was all it was good,
you did good. And this idea of integrating your wins.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Talk about that because I think a lot of us
are confused and we're like, well, I don't want to
have pride.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Well, no, you don't want to have pride.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
But this idea that I can never really feel good
about what I did that doesn't please God either, So
give this teaching.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, it's kind of like, if you think about it,
are you enough? It's kind of like a you know,
like a gas tank a little bit. You know, it's
either full or it's not. And for what most what's
happening for most people on their journey of life is
they depleted it over and over and over and over
in terms of not giving themselves credit, and so they
never integrate the win. Every time they screw something up,
they take such a huge chunk out of themselves. They're
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just like demoralizing themselves. They're just like self hatred. They're
angry at themselves. They have guilt and shame, and every
time something goes bad, it's just like they take something
out of themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
They drain the tank.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And people who finally feel more confident, more fulfilled, more capable,
more than enough, they're able to see all the times
they did okay, they didn't screw up, they manage things well,
they became resilient, they bounced back, they were a good person,
they got the award, they did achieve something, they did
feel good at the end of the day, and they
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integrate that into who they are.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I am enough.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I did these things, and they added up inside the character,
they added up inside the strength. And there's a stacking
that happens in our psychology after enough integrating of the wins.
Because I work with athletes who've lost their confidence. They
lost their like they're literally top of the game, you know,
they're top five of the world, and they've lost their confidence.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So they have me come in.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I'll just sit down with them talking for thirty minutes,
and I'll realize they're telling me everything they have done wrong,
lost that game, dropped that ball, sparked over here, got
this fine? I mean, they're telling me everything that went wrong,
and they're not saying anything about what they're doing right,
and so their self talk is always diminishing versus additive
or recognizing their strength. So integrating the mean integrating the
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win means what if at the end of each day,
you thought about the things you did do well, the
things that did turn out okay, the things that you
were proud of, the character you showed, the patience you showed,
the love that you showed, the resilience you show, and
you said, oh, that's part of me, and you just
kind of and you allowed yourself to take some peace
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in the goodness of who you were that day. And
if day after day, year after a year, you allow
yourself to take some peace in of the goodness that
you did and the goodness that you are, suddenly one
day you feel more full. Now you can feel more fulfilled,
you can feel like you're enough because you're adding in
versus taking.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Out all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And most people have never integrated the good things they've
done in their life into their identity, so they still
feel deficient, like they were a fifteen year old kid
who beats themselves up and doesn't think they fit in.
But you're talking about a thirty or forty year old
woman or a man who has not yet ever breathed
in the good that they did, so their confidence is
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of a high schooler versus a thirty or forty or
fifty year old person because they never integrated those winds.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I think of it, and that's such a beautiful picture, man,
And that practice alone would change your life. If you
sat with God at the end of the day or
you're laying down, it doesn't have to be at a
prayer bench, it can be. It doesn't have to be
with the journal, it can be. But even if there
was just some time for you to process with your
heavenly father. I actually was thinking while you were talking
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about the other night when Graham, my middle son, came
to me right before I was falling asleep, and he
had had a really good match a few hours earlier,
and he started asking me questions about the match, like
when did you know I had it under control? And
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did you think I wasn't going to come back from
that bad call? And I realized about third question what
he was doing. He was processing with his father, what
had happened, the victory that he had won, the struggle
that he went through, to get there, almost as if
to say to me, walk back.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Through this with me and help me feel my wind.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Nice and what a beautiful thing to pray to God,
like God, help me feel that wind, because you know,
when you're going through it, you don't feel like enough ever,
you feel like I'm stretched. If you have faith, you're
always going to be in a place that makes you
feel a little bit outside of your comfort zone.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And so then what do you do? You get through it?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You show up anyway, You show up messy, you show
up scared, You show up with your hands shaking, your
mouth dry, not enough sleep, not enough.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Resource, and you do it. But you didn't feel it
while you did it because you were doing it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
So then when you fall asleep that night or at
the end of the week, or however you do it,
you sit with God. And that's important because I don't
believe I'm sitting by myself going.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Wasn't I amazing how I worship me? I'm going God?
Wasn't that crazy? See how we did that?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean I even started praying a prayer recently to
get into this Christ as in me, I am enough
mindset more in my heart that before I go to
preach or to do something like this, or even if
it's not a spiritual activity the way we qualify spirituality,
I'll pray God at the end of this day, I
want to feel good about the work that you and
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I did together. And what it helps me to do is,
first of all, Christ is in me. He's working with me,
and we're going to talk about that in a later mindset,
how God is always working through us. But the big
thing about it is that I'm not processing this. Not
only am I not processing only the defeats of the day,
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but I'm integrating the victories, giving praise to God right
and allowing him to solidify it in my heart. I
think that's a life changing practice. And I think it's
different than just oh, be grateful, because a lot of
people get hear this and say, yeah, I'm grateful for
my blessings and all of this. No, you're saying something deeper.
You're going have you taken the time for the blessings
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that God gave you and the victories that He gave
you and really making that a part of yourself.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yes, future, Yeah, that's so huge. We see it in
winning teams all the time. Is like win after win
after win after win, you know, if you get to
hang out with them in the bus afterwards or whatever,
you see as the season goes on, they actually talk
more about the wins. They still got a job to do,
but they want to debrief it like Graham did. And
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I think a lot of people and they never debrief
the good in their life.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
They bemoaned the bad.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And so when you take a walk with your wife
in the morning, if you would just talk about the
good things that are happening and give praise, It's so simple.
We all know we should do it, but so few
people actually verbalize it, and so more people you're around.
If you can talk about the good, talk about the good,
talk about the good, give praise it suddenly you start
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to feel like life is a enough because sometimes you
don't feel like enough, because you feel like life isn't enough,
our house isn't big enough.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I'm not enough.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You know, the company's not doing well enough, so I'm
not enough, and we equate these external things so often
too am I enough? But if you can start giving
glory and recognizing the good things, and I love what
you shared that you're doing it together, now you solve
two problems it's not only do you feel enough because
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good things are happening, but you also don't feel alone anymore.
What resonated with me and where I found my own
personal faith in my life was that I wasn't alone
because I'd been a suicidal kid and had a car
accident and had this really dramatic moment where I was
standing on the hood of a car after escaping the
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car after we'd wrecked, and I was bleeding out and
I thought I was going to die, and I realized
I didn't want to die, and I happened to look
up and there's a full moon that night, and that
was my moment of connection with God. And I remember
feeling like I wasn't alone anymore. Amazing in one second. Yeah,
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And I think what I like about what you did
in this chapter is you started. You didn't say it's
not a chapter says I'm enough. It says Christ's in me.
Christ is in me. Yeah, Christ is in me, So
I'm enough. That's really powerful because it means we're not alone.
And once you realize you're not alone and you're doing
something together, like you said, and you can share in
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the glory of.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It, that just feels different, different quality of life. Yeah,
it does.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It changes the way that you see your starting point
if I'm always starting from not enough, trying to get
to enough. Like you said, it's based in comparison. It's
based in competency. And there was a third one competency.
Am I competent? How do I compare to others? And
there was one right per middle, Am I perfect? Well
Jesus is perfect and he then me and he died
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for me, so he solves all of that, right, And
then we move into this one specific section that I
want to mention from this mindset, and I really think
this is going to help you. It's a way of
looking at life that comes from abundance. And so just
put this in the comments right now. I'm coming from abundance,
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and for me, I'm coming from abundance means that God
spoke and the world existed, and I exist from the
same God who created the world. So if he did
all of that and he did me, then as I
do the new me, I know that I'm coming from abundance,
meaning that God doesn't run out of patience for me.
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God doesn't run out of ideas, God doesn't run out
of ways to provide God doesn't.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Run out of strength to use me.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So this fear of running out, I want to hit
on it because I think at the heart of not
enough is you got fomo if.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You're missing out.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I always talk about pharoh fear of running out, and
I like to preach all the Bible passages. This is
why we're good together because I have all these metaphors right,
and I go crazy when their metaphors well. It can
come to a point where we got to get beyond
the metaphor into the mindset, into the mechanics of how
to bring that into my life. And what I wonder
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is for the fear of running out, specifically the fear
that not only am I not going to have enough money,
but I'm not going to have enough people there to
support me. I'm not going to have enough energy, so
I don't commit to anything, and I start calculating all
of that rather than realizing I'm coming from abundance. Get
real practical about this coming from abundance mindset, and walk
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me through how you take somebody like me who scarcity Steve,
you know, when I'm in my old self not doing
the new me, get me from there to a coming
from abundance. I come from God and He is enough
for every need. Kind of walk me through that, coach
me a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, Well, the first question is always, have you ever
not had enough? Have you ever been in a place
where you didn't have enough?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'd like to say categorically no, but I've definitely had
moments where I thought that the energy was going to
be there for me and I felt like either I
fell short or it failed me, or maybe I thought
I was going to have the thing that I needed
to say and I've fallen short. I don't know if
that's the same as not having enough. I know there's
always been grace there, and I know that I've always
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had another day, and I know that God's always made away.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So I'm not quite sure. I think you're setting me
up a little bit. I'm not quite sure. Now there's
a question I asked anybody.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It's like, if you're so scared about scarcity, the first
question is have you ever faced it before? And if
you face scarcity before and there was a Monday after that,
you start to realize scarcity is not so bad. And
that sounds terrible to tell people like how no.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Tell them scarcity's evil and scarcy's bad.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I'm like, no, if scarcity's evil and scarcity is bad,
then we got a problem because most of the population
is in scarcity. And so what we have to realize
is that scarcity is not terrifying. There's still a Monday
after to improve, to earn, to build, to make a difference.
You don't stop at the scarcity, just like we talked
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in the last session, you kind of keep going. And
so what happens is when people have scarcity, it's very
easy to feel like there's nothing out there for me.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And I understand why.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's because so many people fear scarcity, and I say,
don't fear scarcity. It's funny, when you fear something, you
focus on it, you tend to get more of it.
And part of the reason that the conversation pushes towards
faith and toward spirit is to recognize there is a
higher abundance, there is more for us. And when we
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can tap into oh there's more for us, I can change.
I can shift because I don't believe in that idea that, oh, hey,
you're in scarcity right now. Let me just you know,
let me just change your mind. There's tons there's people
with jets, and you know what, you could become wealthy
and you could have all these things. Sometimes, you know what,
it sucks and it takes a really long time to
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get out of scarcity financially or scarcity you know, you
feel they're scarcity. There's no one for you to love,
and you might be single for five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten years. So the question is, can you acknowledge that
there are scarcity in parts of our life, in the
material parts of our lives, but tap into Christ in
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side that there is a forever abundance there and it
is a mindset tric. It's hard for people to acknowledge
that scarcity is real, but it doesn't have to be
feared because there is something more than that.
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I'm the pastor of Elevation Church and this is our podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I wanted to thank you for joining us today. Hope
this inspires you. Hope it builds your faith.
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Hope it gives your perspective to see God is moving
in your life.
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Enjoy the message.
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Until my identity in Christ starts affecting how I interpret
my life, I really still don't get it yet. And
if I see myself just as somebody that God loves,
because well, Jesus died on the cross, and there's a
group insurance plan and I got in on it because
I accepted Jesus, and now God kind of has to
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include me with all of my pre existing conditions, then
I have missed the point of what it means to
say that I am a masterpiece made by God. I am.
In the Greek it literally says a poema, like a poem,
like God's poem.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And the idea that Christ is in me means more
than just he died from two thousand years ago. That
is huge. I'm not downplaying that at all.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I'm just saying that the fact of Christ being in
you has to do more with your everyday life than
you might think.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Because as long as we look at God as.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Being out there somewhere, you know, I'm throwing up a
prayer to the big man upstairs or man I'm looking
for God to kind of come down and fix this
situation and don't shift it to the internal. Then we're
basically living our life with no agency. Right, We're living
our life if I understand my basic psychological terms correctly,
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we're living our lives at the mercy of our impulses,
stimulus response, and no Christ in the middle to say,
wait a minute, I'm a child of God. Wait a minute,
I belong to God. I have faith, I have the
grace of God. I get to appropriate God's power in
this situation as I surrender to him.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Right, so good, so good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
The way I think about it is often a lot
of the trouble we have in our mindset is go
to identity first. And you know, in what I love
about faith and religions of the world, it says, actually
interpret things through the Word, interpret things through Him and
what He intended, versus just how you feel and who
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you think you are. Because if I ran my entire
life based on identity, who I think I am and
how I'm feeling and how I identify in these groups
versus a higher moral ethic versus spiritual.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Guidance, we'd be a hot mess.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And I think that's one of the things we struggle
with in the world right now. That's why we have
I would say we have a selfie culture versus a
service culture. We have a selfi culture because we're all
focused so much on identity and we're sometimes missing the
higher calling, the higher service that if we interpreted life
in a different way through faith, through spirituality, we'd probably
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act differently. And so it sounds like when I say,
you know, mindset is interpretation that identity. Sometimes people would
think that's, oh, that's an negative thing because you're saying
impulse and then self. But I'm often saying too, interpretation
is connecting to a higher cause or higher moral ethic,
higher spirituality. And I'm within that. I am within like
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Christ is in me. I am part of this. This
is a bigger thing than just me. And I think
that's actually empowering because I can understand I'm enough because
I'm you know, He's in me, but I'm external too.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Since you're already there, I think we should just dive on,
download deeper into this because I know you wonder about
this too, sometimes self esteem, like self worth, like I'm enough,
It's it's sometimes just so flip it right. And yet
I know me. I know the the dark parts of me.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I know not only the mistakes I make, but the
mistakes that I want to make that I hold myself
back from that are even worse than the ones that
I make. And knowing all of that about me, I
want shared with our church, and I share it a
little bit in the book that accepting Jesus wasn't that
hard for me? Like we have this phrase accepting Jesus
(04:15):
as your Lord and say you're a receiving Christ. Well,
accepting him, I get forgiven, loved, get to go to Heaven. Great,
sign me up. I'm accepting Jesus. He has the way
that I should live, he has all wisdom, all power.
I'm accepting Jesus. That took me, you know, just opening
my heart and accepting him. But accepting Stephen, that's a
(04:39):
little harder. And I have a real passion to help
you with this because I think it's possible for you
to accept Jesus and not accept you. In fact, this
mindset in the book goes with an action step they
each do, and this action step.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Is accept yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And I put it with a capital S, not because
your God and God is you and believe that. I
believe that basically the self that God wants you to
accept is your spirit, which is made perfect and complete
in Him, which is cleansed, and.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Then it's covered up by all of this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So I want to know as you've studied it, because man,
you've looked into this from every different angle and the
terms that we throw around sometimes about self worth and
self esteem and identity, sometimes it's a moving target. It's
not like I just either accept myself or I don't.
It kind of depends on the time of day or
(05:36):
what just happened or what stimulus I just ran into.
So talk to me about how that self worth, self
esteem think can be a moving target for us.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think you nailed this in the book that this
you know I Am enough comes back down to recognizing
that we are more than what limits us, and we
are more than what's missing. As you say in the
first part of the chapter, you say, you know you're
more than just what's missing. That sometimes the reason it
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feels like a moving target is because in every given situation,
we go, am I capable.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
To handle this?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's at that moment, that's what we're saying.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Am I enough? Am I capable of handling this? Then
we say, oh, am I doing it right?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Am I perfect? And we consider perfect enough? And then
we say do I have as much? Or am I
as good as them? That makes me enough because I
compare well? So we usually say am I capable? Am
I perfect? Am I comparing well?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Those are the three moving targets, and you're never going
to hit all three of them, so you're never going
to feel enough because if that's how you equate enough,
you're in trouble. So in all the psychology always comes
back down to definitions. Right, So what does it mean
for you to be enough? And that's what will start
in coaching sometimes, what does it mean for you to
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be enough?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Maybe you put that in the chain, Yeah, what does
it mean enough? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Because most people say what does it mean to be enough? Well,
I got to be perfect. I got to be capable
to handle all the complexity of this new business or
this new challenge or this new issue I'm facing, And
oh yeah, I got to compare well next to my neighbor. Well,
if that's what enough to you is, you're never going
to achieve it. You'll never get near it because those
three things are always moving in every given new situation.
(07:25):
So at some point, just like happiness in our life,
we discern what is happiness to me? And in this
case we have to say, well, what is enough to me?
Is me being enough? Does that mean I'm confident? Does
it mean I feel capable? Does it mean I'm worthy?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
What does it mean?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And people often only explore that once they get to
the point where it feel like, oh wait, I am
doing life kind of good.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I am measuring up pretty well. With the Jones you
taught something one time. I think it really fits with
this mindset. I would love for you to hear this
game changing teaching that Brendan has on integrating your wins. Now.
I've shared some of this before, but I can't share
it the way you do. And I realized that maybe
(08:13):
part of the reason I can't share it is because
I'm scared sometimes to give myself any credit because it's like, no,
it was all God. I like the joke that sometimes
will tell a singer in church you know, wow, you
really did great today's singing, and they'll go, no, it
wasn't me, it was it was all God, to which
I always want to say, no, it wasn't all God.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It wasn't that good. If it was all it was good,
you did good. And this idea of integrating your wins.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Talk about that because I think a lot of us
are confused and we're like, well, I don't want to
have pride.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Well, no, you don't want to have pride.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
But this idea that I can never really feel good
about what I did that doesn't please God either, So
give this teaching.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, it's kind of like, if you think about it,
are you enough? It's kind of like a you know,
like a gas tank a little bit. You know, it's
either full or it's not. And for what most what's
happening for most people on their journey of life is
they depleted it over and over and over and over
in terms of not giving themselves credit, and so they
never integrate the win. Every time they screw something up,
they take such a huge chunk out of themselves. They're
(09:21):
just like demoralizing themselves. They're just like self hatred. They're
angry at themselves. They have guilt and shame, and every
time something goes bad, it's just like they take something
out of themselves.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
They drain the tank.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And people who finally feel more confident, more fulfilled, more capable,
more than enough, they're able to see all the times
they did okay, they didn't screw up, they manage things well,
they became resilient, they bounced back, they were a good person,
they got the award, they did achieve something, they did
feel good at the end of the day, and they
(09:57):
integrate that into who they are.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I am enough.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I did these things, and they added up inside the character,
they added up inside the strength. And there's a stacking
that happens in our psychology after enough integrating of the wins.
Because I work with athletes who've lost their confidence. They
lost their like they're literally top of the game, you know,
they're top five of the world, and they've lost their confidence.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So they have me come in.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I'll just sit down with them talking for thirty minutes,
and I'll realize they're telling me everything they have done wrong,
lost that game, dropped that ball, sparked over here, got
this fine? I mean, they're telling me everything that went wrong,
and they're not saying anything about what they're doing right,
and so their self talk is always diminishing versus additive
or recognizing their strength. So integrating the mean integrating the
(10:47):
win means what if at the end of each day,
you thought about the things you did do well, the
things that did turn out okay, the things that you
were proud of, the character you showed, the patience you showed,
the love that you showed, the resilience you show, and
you said, oh, that's part of me, and you just
kind of and you allowed yourself to take some peace
(11:10):
in the goodness of who you were that day. And
if day after day, year after a year, you allow
yourself to take some peace in of the goodness that
you did and the goodness that you are, suddenly one
day you feel more full. Now you can feel more fulfilled,
you can feel like you're enough because you're adding in
versus taking.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Out all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And most people have never integrated the good things they've
done in their life into their identity, so they still
feel deficient, like they were a fifteen year old kid
who beats themselves up and doesn't think they fit in.
But you're talking about a thirty or forty year old
woman or a man who has not yet ever breathed
in the good that they did, so their confidence is
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of a high schooler versus a thirty or forty or
fifty year old person because they never integrated those winds.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I think of it, and that's such a beautiful picture, man,
And that practice alone would change your life. If you
sat with God at the end of the day or
you're laying down, it doesn't have to be at a
prayer bench, it can be. It doesn't have to be
with the journal, it can be. But even if there
was just some time for you to process with your
heavenly father. I actually was thinking while you were talking
(12:22):
about the other night when Graham, my middle son, came
to me right before I was falling asleep, and he
had had a really good match a few hours earlier,
and he started asking me questions about the match, like
when did you know I had it under control? And
(12:43):
did you think I wasn't going to come back from
that bad call? And I realized about third question what
he was doing. He was processing with his father, what
had happened, the victory that he had won, the struggle
that he went through, to get there, almost as if
to say to me, walk back.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Through this with me and help me feel my wind.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Nice and what a beautiful thing to pray to God,
like God, help me feel that wind, because you know,
when you're going through it, you don't feel like enough ever,
you feel like I'm stretched. If you have faith, you're
always going to be in a place that makes you
feel a little bit outside of your comfort zone.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And so then what do you do? You get through it?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You show up anyway, You show up messy, you show
up scared, You show up with your hands shaking, your
mouth dry, not enough sleep, not enough.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Resource, and you do it. But you didn't feel it
while you did it because you were doing it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
So then when you fall asleep that night or at
the end of the week, or however you do it,
you sit with God. And that's important because I don't
believe I'm sitting by myself going.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Wasn't I amazing how I worship me? I'm going God?
Wasn't that crazy? See how we did that?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean I even started praying a prayer recently to
get into this Christ as in me, I am enough
mindset more in my heart that before I go to
preach or to do something like this, or even if
it's not a spiritual activity the way we qualify spirituality,
I'll pray God at the end of this day, I
want to feel good about the work that you and
(14:23):
I did together. And what it helps me to do is,
first of all, Christ is in me. He's working with me,
and we're going to talk about that in a later mindset,
how God is always working through us. But the big
thing about it is that I'm not processing this. Not
only am I not processing only the defeats of the day,
(14:45):
but I'm integrating the victories, giving praise to God right
and allowing him to solidify it in my heart. I
think that's a life changing practice. And I think it's
different than just oh, be grateful, because a lot of
people get hear this and say, yeah, I'm grateful for
my blessings and all of this. No, you're saying something deeper.
You're going have you taken the time for the blessings
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that God gave you and the victories that He gave
you and really making that a part of yourself.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yes, future, Yeah, that's so huge. We see it in
winning teams all the time. Is like win after win
after win after win, you know, if you get to
hang out with them in the bus afterwards or whatever,
you see as the season goes on, they actually talk
more about the wins. They still got a job to do,
but they want to debrief it like Graham did. And
(15:31):
I think a lot of people and they never debrief
the good in their life.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
They bemoaned the bad.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And so when you take a walk with your wife
in the morning, if you would just talk about the
good things that are happening and give praise, It's so simple.
We all know we should do it, but so few
people actually verbalize it, and so more people you're around.
If you can talk about the good, talk about the good,
talk about the good, give praise it suddenly you start
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to feel like life is a enough because sometimes you
don't feel like enough, because you feel like life isn't enough,
our house isn't big enough.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I'm not enough.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You know, the company's not doing well enough, so I'm
not enough, and we equate these external things so often
too am I enough? But if you can start giving
glory and recognizing the good things, and I love what
you shared that you're doing it together, now you solve
two problems it's not only do you feel enough because
(16:31):
good things are happening, but you also don't feel alone anymore.
What resonated with me and where I found my own
personal faith in my life was that I wasn't alone
because I'd been a suicidal kid and had a car
accident and had this really dramatic moment where I was
standing on the hood of a car after escaping the
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car after we'd wrecked, and I was bleeding out and
I thought I was going to die, and I realized
I didn't want to die, and I happened to look
up and there's a full moon that night, and that
was my moment of connection with God. And I remember
feeling like I wasn't alone anymore. Amazing in one second. Yeah,
(17:17):
And I think what I like about what you did
in this chapter is you started. You didn't say it's
not a chapter says I'm enough. It says Christ's in me.
Christ is in me. Yeah, Christ is in me, So
I'm enough. That's really powerful because it means we're not alone.
And once you realize you're not alone and you're doing
something together, like you said, and you can share in
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the glory of.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
It, that just feels different, different quality of life. Yeah,
it does.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It changes the way that you see your starting point
if I'm always starting from not enough, trying to get
to enough. Like you said, it's based in comparison. It's
based in competency. And there was a third one competency.
Am I competent? How do I compare to others? And
there was one right per middle, Am I perfect? Well
Jesus is perfect and he then me and he died
(18:03):
for me, so he solves all of that, right, And
then we move into this one specific section that I
want to mention from this mindset, and I really think
this is going to help you. It's a way of
looking at life that comes from abundance. And so just
put this in the comments right now. I'm coming from abundance,
(18:24):
and for me, I'm coming from abundance means that God
spoke and the world existed, and I exist from the
same God who created the world. So if he did
all of that and he did me, then as I
do the new me, I know that I'm coming from abundance,
meaning that God doesn't run out of patience for me.
(18:45):
God doesn't run out of ideas, God doesn't run out
of ways to provide God doesn't.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Run out of strength to use me.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So this fear of running out, I want to hit
on it because I think at the heart of not
enough is you got fomo if.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You're missing out.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I always talk about pharoh fear of running out, and
I like to preach all the Bible passages. This is
why we're good together because I have all these metaphors right,
and I go crazy when their metaphors well. It can
come to a point where we got to get beyond
the metaphor into the mindset, into the mechanics of how
to bring that into my life. And what I wonder
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is for the fear of running out, specifically the fear
that not only am I not going to have enough money,
but I'm not going to have enough people there to
support me. I'm not going to have enough energy, so
I don't commit to anything, and I start calculating all
of that rather than realizing I'm coming from abundance. Get
real practical about this coming from abundance mindset, and walk
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me through how you take somebody like me who scarcity Steve,
you know, when I'm in my old self not doing
the new me, get me from there to a coming
from abundance. I come from God and He is enough
for every need. Kind of walk me through that, coach
me a little bit.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, Well, the first question is always, have you ever
not had enough? Have you ever been in a place
where you didn't have enough?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'd like to say categorically no, but I've definitely had
moments where I thought that the energy was going to
be there for me and I felt like either I
fell short or it failed me, or maybe I thought
I was going to have the thing that I needed
to say and I've fallen short. I don't know if
that's the same as not having enough. I know there's
always been grace there, and I know that I've always
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had another day, and I know that God's always made away.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So I'm not quite sure. I think you're setting me
up a little bit. I'm not quite sure. Now there's
a question I asked anybody.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It's like, if you're so scared about scarcity, the first
question is have you ever faced it before? And if
you face scarcity before and there was a Monday after that,
you start to realize scarcity is not so bad. And
that sounds terrible to tell people like how no.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Tell them scarcity's evil and scarcy's bad.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I'm like, no, if scarcity's evil and scarcity is bad,
then we got a problem because most of the population
is in scarcity. And so what we have to realize
is that scarcity is not terrifying. There's still a Monday
after to improve, to earn, to build, to make a difference.
You don't stop at the scarcity, just like we talked
(21:18):
in the last session, you kind of keep going. And
so what happens is when people have scarcity, it's very
easy to feel like there's nothing out there for me.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And I understand why.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's because so many people fear scarcity, and I say,
don't fear scarcity. It's funny, when you fear something, you
focus on it, you tend to get more of it.
And part of the reason that the conversation pushes towards
faith and toward spirit is to recognize there is a
higher abundance, there is more for us. And when we
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can tap into oh there's more for us, I can change.
I can shift because I don't believe in that idea that, oh, hey,
you're in scarcity right now. Let me just you know,
let me just change your mind. There's tons there's people
with jets, and you know what, you could become wealthy
and you could have all these things. Sometimes, you know what,
it sucks and it takes a really long time to
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get out of scarcity financially or scarcity you know, you
feel they're scarcity. There's no one for you to love,
and you might be single for five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten years. So the question is, can you acknowledge that
there are scarcity in parts of our life, in the
material parts of our lives, but tap into Christ in
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side that there is a forever abundance there and it
is a mindset tric. It's hard for people to acknowledge
that scarcity is real, but it doesn't have to be
feared because there is something more than that.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
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