Frank Seravalli breaks down NHL trade deadline possibilities

Energy Line with Nate Thompson and Julie Stewart-Binks opens up talking about the trade deadline coming on Friday. They discuss the times Nate was traded, how difficult it is for some of these players and teams that could be active in the next couple of days. President of hockey content at Daily Faceoff Frank Seravalli then joins Nate and JSB. Seravalli discusses the trade deadline, what moves may still be coming and why the Hurricanes likely keep Mikko Rantanen. The NHL insider also dives into what teams should be buying, the Rangers situation, the Maple Leafs plan, what the Jets may do and inside the life of an insider in the midst of all the rumors coming in to his phone. Nate and JSB close the show answering mailbag questions and give out their flowers for the week.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Energy Line is a production of the NHL and iHeart podcasts.
Energy Line with Layton JSB is a production of the
NHL and iHeart podcasts. It is Tuesday, March fourth, and

(00:24):
the NHL trade deadline is just three days away. On
Friday at three pm Eastern, we will break it all
down and all of the possibilities on today's episode. As
President of Hockey Content at Daily Face Off, Frank Saravali
is going to join us in a little bit. We
also will hear later about Nate's trade extravaganzas in his career,

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as well as answering your Energy Line mailbag questions. But first,
good morning, Nates. How are you feeling on this trade
deadline week?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I feel a.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Little bit anxious, and it's probably just because of old
feelings of this week of knowing that I.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Was going to pack my bags.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Wait, so you already like ahead of time trade deadlines
come around. You're like, all right, I know this, I
know this time of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I think towards the end of my career, Yes, when
I was on a team that was maybe not going
to make the playoffs, so we were struggling to make
the playoffs, I knew about a month before it was
called my agent figure out what was going on. The
team was probably going to move me, and then it
was like, okay, which teams are contending, which teams are
going to be a good fit. And I knew, I
knew it was inevitable. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Let's break that down. You're on nine different teams. How
many times did this inevitable I'm going to be traded
feeling happen?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I think probably when I first was in Ottawa. I
mean I asked for a trade from Ottawa. But then
after that, I feel like the floodgates opened.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I was originally traded from Tampa to Anaheim, but then
I signed as a free agent with Ottawa, and then
I went to trade tot La, got traded from La
to Montreal, got traded from Montreal to Philly. So in
that years of those being traded, I think every time
I knew that it was going to happen, just the
situation I was in with Montreal or Philly or whatever

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team I was with that wasn't going to make the
playoffs at the time.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
So that's what was that like mentally for you?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
It was stressful.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
I think also exciting at the same time knowing that
you're going to be going to a new team.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
You know, there's mixed emotions. I mean, there was.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Times when I wasn't really that excited to be traded
and I wanted to stay, you know, like for example,
originally when I was in Montreal, I kind of wanted
to stay in Montreal. You know, it was a good
fit there, It was a good fit for me, you know.
Granted I went to a great team in Philly. And
I'll tell that story here right now quick because just
when I was being traded, Mark Bergeavian I remember, pulled

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me into the office that day on trade deadline day.
It was practice day and he brought me in and
Mark Bergavin's an unbelievable guy, unbelievable, was unbelievable GM. And
he asked me, He said, Nate, I got a deal
in place with Philly. You don't have to go. And
I was like, what do you mean. I mean, in
my head, I'm like, I don't have to go. It's
up to me if I wanted to stay, which was
you know, no gms really do that, and you did

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that for me. And at the same time, I wasn't
going to screw them over and not do the deal
when he had it in place. So I said, burst,
thank you, I appreciate that, but I'll I'll go and
he goes, okay, you know, and it was good and
I and that's how it works. You get traded, the
deal's done, and within two hours, I was on a plane.
I was heading to Philly right away and playing the
next night in Philly. So it happens quick, and there's

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definitely human aspect to it that people don't realize that.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
You know, it's not just you.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Know, you're hopping on a new team and it's glitz
and glamour and it's awesome. You know, there's a lot
of things behind the scenes that that happened, Like what well,
I mean, you have to move your bags, You've maybe
maybe you're going to maybe you're going to a Canadian
city and you need to get a working a work FISA,
or you're going the other way and visa. Yeah, depends
on where you're going. You still have to get that

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obviously if you're going to a different country. So I mean,
there's a lot of different little details that go through.
But whether it's you know, if you have a family
you're married. You know you have to get those things.
Everyone moved and everyone comfortable. So it's, uh, you know,
you're you're flipping your life upside down quickly. I think,
what is the easiest way to summarize it?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Have you ever had a trade that materialized that you
found out through the media.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, Luckily, I was never. I never knew from the media.
Maybe from my agent before the team told me. I
knew it was in place, but never media.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Have you seen guys on your team find out or
it's like they see it on the ticker on NHL
Network or something.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I don't know if I've had a guy on my
team with a ticker, but I've heard stories. I've heard stuff,
you know, like a guy like Teddy Pursl when he
was in LA.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
He was in the.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Locker room, saw it on the ticker and all the
boys were like, well, whatever, well, maybe it's not real.
Went in, talked to the coach, they said it wasn't real,
went back out, came back in. It was real. So
talk about talk about waves of emotions with that. So
it has happened with guys as far as the fine

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out on Twitter or media or looking up at the
ticker and seeing your name being traded.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So it's pretty wild week.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, that's got to be pretty rattling if you just
have no idea and you're like, oh, wait, oh I
guess oh now I'm going to Dallas or something like that.
So yeah, you're like, please just know I wouldn't pick
I say that as somebody who's lived there, and so
has Nate. We both love the PEG. It's a lot
of fun if it's not a winter and so. But

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but I'm curious about when you said you were on
different teams that you know, you're kind of bouncing around,
like would you ever go to a team and be
on a team and almost know that that your time
was going to be limited? So you didn't you kind
of didn't really split down roots in a way.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I don't think so I was. I was never.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
I was never that type of guy when I went
to the team. Like when when I went to the team,
it was like I was all in and usually you know,
I as a guy that was a career fourth liner,
a guy that was you know, getting one to two
year deals towards the end of his career. I was
trying to impress that team. I was getting traded to
because yeah, I wanted to be back. I wanted to resign.
You know, it happened with me in Montreal. I got
trade in Montreal and ended up resigning with him at

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the end of the season. So I think for me
when I whenever I went to a new team, it
was like, all right, I got to impress a new
GM and press a new coach and you know, try
and earn a contract for them. So I think for
me it was always all in, especially when I went
to a team that was going to make the playoffs
and possibly go for a long run.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Was it was there ever? Any Like when you go
into a new locker room, what's the dynamic Like would
you would there be someone that would kind of welcome you?
Is it kind of like the first day of being
you're in a new school, Like what's that like?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Oh, it's that's a really good question.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I mean, I think going to a new team, I
think initially you go to a new team. For me
and I had a lot of practice at it was
finding the team dynamics. You know, you kind of sit
back for I guess for me it would be like
a week and you just kind of watch and listen
and see who's you know. Obviously, there's different personalities in
every locker room. Some are quiet, some guys are the

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jokes or some guys you know what I mean. There's
just different different types of people in there. So I
think for me, it was fine the dynamics inserting myself
in and being me. I think another thing is when
I was traded to a team. When I initially got there,
I wanted to earn the respect of my teammates and
coaches and gms because it was like, Okay, this team

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traded for you.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Okay, what do you got?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
And when I went there, it was like, Okay, I
got to do something good from the beginning for a
few games to you know, my teammates really to like,
all right, yeah, this guy's a part of us, you know,
And that's crazy. I've never really talked about like that before,
but that was kind of my mindset going into it,
is earning the respect of my teammates first, and then
you know, kind of slide myself into the dynamics of

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the team, you know, because it's like I said, every
team is different.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
But what a great mindset to have, like they traded
for me versus I'm sure some guys maybe around the
league might be like, oh that that team didn't want me,
and now I'm on this new team and now I
have to up you know, uproot my entire life, my
family and go to Canada. And you're just like, oh, man,
like this this sucks, you know. And so I think
that your perspective has probably helped you so much in

(08:15):
your career in terms of being a good teammate, being
a good linemate. Whether you were on nine teams or
one team, you had a long, good career, and so
I think that that speaks to, like, you know, how
teams value you. I'm interested to know what guys who
are on the trading block this week, whose names have
been floated out there, like what's going through their mind

(08:37):
when they're like, well, you know, I could be taking
my entire family somewhere else, or I could be staying
here like you almost sort of pre pack your bags
in a way.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, that's tough, and this is a tough week for
a lot of guys that've been there. Is you know,
going to the rink every day, going to practice, games,
whatever it is, you know, almost knowing that you're not
going to be there in a few days is a
tough feeling. But at the same time, you know, everyone's
a professional. You have to be a pro. You got
to show up, do your job. But I think it's
it's trying to stay off your phone other than maybe

(09:09):
getting calls from your agent, and I know that's way
easier said than done, but you have to do it.
It's it's just a tough week for all and unfortunately
this is this is part of the business. And I think,
like you said, you know, I had a mindset where
it was like, Okay, this is.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
An exciting time.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
The saying I always put in mind was, you know,
one team's trash could be another team's treasure. So and
that's that's obviously what it was for me, and that's
what I thought.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
I was.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
You know, I looked at it as, okay, this team's
trading me away. Well, this team's trading for me. So
I think that's the mindset you have to have going
into it as a player this week, because it's going
to be hard no matter what it's being traded is
not easy, but it's this is the name of the game.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
This is the business.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
So when you have your phone on silent around like
do not disturb or whatever. By the way, very difficult
for anyone in this entire world to do. Would you
guys ever, maybe text or help out any of the
insiders that might call, Like do you did you get
calls from insiders about stuff occasionally?

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, and I would. I would give them. I would
give them enough to the point where I wasn't disrespecting
the team I was with or whoever I was getting
information from. And I think that's the thing is maybe
you can give them tidbits here and there that yeah,
maybe you know, I was asked to look at my
ten team no trade or whatever it is. You know,
I don't think you can give them full on answers like, hey,

(10:27):
I'm going to this team at this time. This is
whether they're trade me for this amount of pick. You know,
I don't think it's that, but I think it's. Yeah,
there's a respect thing. And there was times that I
did give some insiders a little bit of information, right, you.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Don't want it to come back to you, but you're like, Okay,
here's like a little bit of bait, you know, you know,
go out and find more to it, and so that
it also doesn't come back to me. We know, there's
a lot of teams that are are in a position
to make the playoffs or not, and it's just a
really fascinating time. And I don't know, I'm thinking, like

(11:04):
you know, you're watching hockey or watching a ton of
hockey right now. There's so many teams in the Eastern
Conference that are just in and around, hovering around if
they're going to make the playoffs. I'm just so curious
of like what's going through the minds of these general
managers where you're like, are we good enough to be
like that LA team in twenty fourteen and sneak in

(11:25):
and then just go on a run or should we
just cut our losses because there's just too many teams
at this point, Like what's your vibe on what's going
on in the standings?

Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's wild And that's wild for that, just for the
reason you just said. I mean, you look at a
team like Ottawa or Detroit. Are those teams on the bubble?
It's like, well, do you want to trade some guys?
Trade for some guys? But then what are you doing
if you do lose in the first round, you know,
then what you know, you lose all these assets. So
it's a tough, tough situation for a lot of teams.

(11:58):
I do believe that there are a few teams that
need to make the playoffs no matter what. Wh Like
I would say, like Ottawa needs to make the playoffs.
Detroit's probably on that on that line as well. Columbus, No,
I don't think they need to make the playoffs. But
does everyone want them to make the playoffs? Everyone does?
And then you look at other teams like Calgary and

(12:19):
Vancouver and these teams that are bubble teams that do
you really want to sell the farm just to make
sure to make the playoffs and to appease everybody? And
that's and that's the fight and the struggle you're talking
about with the GMS is this is a tough time
because there's so many teams on the bubble and there's
so many teams that, like I said, need to make
the playoffs. But what do you do for that reason?

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And I even look at the New Jersey Devils. Like
the New Jersey Devils, they had an amazing start this year,
but since I think, I want to say it's like
Christmas time or me around that they've been awful.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
They have not been good. And now they're running some
injury problems.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
You know, is your if you're Tom Fitzgerald, I mean,
are you are you hitting the panic button a little
bit right now?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Are you trying to maybe make a.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Deal or are you like, Okay, we're going to ride
this out, make the playoffs, and we're going to get
healthy bodies back. But it's a it's an interesting situation
this year because of all the teams that are on
the bubble, and then you have, like I said, you
have the up rechelant teams like Winnipeg and Washington. You know,
we're going to get into all this more. But I
just it's a really really wild year. And I would
say that just because of all of the bubble teams

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that are kind of on both sides of the line.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Right like nobody's really there's so many very mid teams.
We just not really share exactly who they are. I mean,
they're just like okay. But it's interesting because you could
when you were just talking there as thinking it's like
they need to make the playoffs. Well, is that you
know for their fan base? Of course, like Ottawa and
Detroit have not had teams in playoffs for a really

(13:51):
long time. But then also thinking about, Oh, there's got
to be a weird conundrum between like the general manager
and the president and coaches and like their jobs and
their futures and their on tracks and then versus like
the fan base and the team. And you're like, well,
we need to make the playoffs because this will help

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me maybe get an extension, But like, will this salvage
is the future of this team? I mean, that's sort
of an interesting thing to think about with all of this,
is people, you know, you got to eat for yourself too.
At the same time, what.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Have you done for me lately? You know?

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I think after a certain amount of time, it's it's
time to get the results.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
So we'll see what these teams can do.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Right, Well, we are very lucky on this show to
have someone who knows a whole lot more excuse me
than me and Nate. Nate knows everything about what it's
like to be traded, and I personally would find it
interesting to be traded. A long time ago, at a
network I worked out, we joked about trades, and I
actually think there was a weird thing that happened once

(14:53):
where it was like one company was going to trade
for like another company's like on air talent, which was
so wild to just even think of, because be like, well,
what if you are now working for for a different
company at this point, or like hey, empty Debtors is
trading like or spitting Checkltz or any of that kind
of stuff other podcasts, how the real world would deal

(15:14):
with being traded, we'd all lose our mind and then
forget that, like oh yeah, NHLers have to go through
this every day of their lives by being worried about that.
But on that note, we are very thrilled coming up
next on Energy Line with Natan JSB It's hockey insider
at Daily face Off, Frank Saravali. Don't go anywhere, We'll

(15:35):
be right back. Well, as we know, it is the
week of trade deadline and there are so many different
things that could code down, So we are very pleased.
We're so grateful to have a guy who is so busy,
who's just got like five hundred phones probably millions of

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gms on every different line. He's here to join us
to be able to break down the trade deadline. And
that is none other than present of Hockey content at
Daily Faceoff, Frank Servali, who is just breaking news left
right and center. We're very, very appreciative to have you
on the show, knowing just how busy this week is.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, great to be with you guys, JSB and Nate.
A big fan of the show and it's been fun
to watch it grow.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Thank you appreciate it's nice to have you on. I
know this is a busy week and Friday is a
big day, so let's just get right into it. What
do you think, Julie, Yeah, I mean, what do you think, Frank?
I think there's so much that hasn't happened yet. That's
the thing is, when you look at this deadline, we've
seen so few of the traditional rental pieces move. And

(16:43):
not only that, but as I see it right now,
ten of the sixteen teams that are in the playoffs
this morning have not yet made a move. So look,
I think the market has been a little bit slow
to develop. On the traditional guys, you've seen more surprising
things like Seth Jones or Miko Ranton or go Through

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you know some of these, you know, Joel Farraby and
Morgan Frost. It's been guys that are more or less
off the radar a little bit as opposed to the
guys that have been on my trade targets board for months.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Okay, So in saying that, what right now is sort
of like coming to fruition that maybe was on your
radar or wasn't on your radar. What's the biggest topic.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Well, I'd say, you know, it's it's more toward the
guys at the top of my list, Brock Nelson, Scott Lawton,
Brandon tannev. You think about the defense market, maybe a
Carson Sussi or Jamie alexiak or go through the lists.
It's teams that are contending, teams like a Winnipeg, like

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a Washington, teams that are in the mix to try
and win this year. What will the Tampa Bay Lightning do.
They've been arguably the hottest team in the league for
the last while. Here, John Cooper, Anthony Cirelli, they're all
riding high off of four Nations face off. But then
they watch the Florida Panthers go out and add Seth
Jones and you see how good he looked to start

(18:06):
his Florida Panthers career. And you think, Okay, has Florida
as the two times Stanley Cup finalist and defending champ,
have they now upended the balance of power in the East.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Does that make a team like.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Tampa take a step back and say, hey, well, we
were thinking about making an edition here, but maybe it's better.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
To keep our powder dry.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
So those are some of the types of things that
I'm looking at, is trying to match up quality pieces
that could help put a contending team over the top
with some of those teams that are in the market
for it.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
The big question I have, and I know a lot
of listeners are having to, is the Miko Ranton situation
at Carolina. You know that team is now obviously a
Cup contender. They add Miko Ranton and now it's not
sure if they can resign them. So is it a
situation where they flip them or do they keep them
in a long cup run? I mean, what are you hearing?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I think it's more likely that they keep him. And
the reason for that is one, it's really difficult to
get equal value back in return for Migo Ranton. And
because you think about where Carolina is now, they're essentially
where Colorado was a month ago.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
What do we do with this guy? We haven't gotten
a commitment.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
We've put a big offer on the table, but Carolina
works so hard to get a difference maker. What have
we said about the Carolina Hurricanes and their last few
Cup runs impressive. They've played deep into May, but they
haven't gotten over the hump in many people's view because
they don't have a game breaker or a game changer.
They got one of those guys in Ranton in and

(19:38):
it just so happens that with this Four Nations break,
it's been a little bit tougher for him to adjust.
I think his entire world was thrown upside down and
the production hasn't been there, But a lot of the
underlying numbers and metrics are really impressive. Expected goals per sixty,
scoring chances Migo Ranton, it has some of the most
scoring chances in the NHL when he's on the ice

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since that trade was made. If you're Carolina, you work
so hard to get him, even if he's giving you
a non committal answer or even a hard no. I
believe that they're going to hang on to him and
see if they can use potentially a deep run to
allow him to get more comfortable and take another run
at him before free agency opens, and if he goes

(20:20):
the route of Jake Gensel, which last summer he was
also a perfect fit that got away. Well, then that's,
you know, part of the price of giving up one
additional year of Marty Natchus. But if you're looking at
it from Carolina's perspective, for Gensel and ranton In, they
didn't give up a first round pick or any.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Of their top five prospects.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
So I think even if he does end up walking,
they're still in pretty good shape all things considered.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Frank, I noticed that you look down at your phone
when Nate was asking your question.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, that's how you buzzing.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
How do you deal with like being an insider this
week and like you're doing shows and you're doing whatever,
Like do you have alerts on your phone? Tell us
bring us inside, like the life of an in this week.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
So it's always buzzing, some things consequential, other things not.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
But you're always looking.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
So I don't want to look at my stats this
week of time spent on phone and also phone pickups.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
But I'll give you an example. The other night I
was sleeping.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
It was two forty eight in the morning, and my
phone buzzed and I said, oh, I better look at it,
And it just turned out to be like an AHL
press release from a team playing out West, and I
was like, oh my god, I can't believe I got
up for that.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
But that's kind of the deal.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Is like I don't want to say I live in fear,
but I have a constant sort of anxiety of what's
happening that I don't know about what could materialize right now.
And that's sort of how this two week period of
time goes. Free agency is so much easier. You've got
a defined list of players, you know that it can't
happen until twelve oh one on July first, and off

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you go. This can materialize a trade out of nowhere
and quickly too, So you're kind of always on alert.
And I'll be honest too in terms of how a
lot of this comes together. Sometimes there's things that happen
that you just don't have connections to.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Like I'm one person. I'm not on a team of
a few.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I've got a deep rolldex of people that I talk
to around the league and people on every team.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
But sometimes it's in a team.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Or situation where you're not as tight with or you
don't talk to as many people and you're just sol
on that one.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, Frank, you got to put those your favorites right.
You can't have every you know, whatever news release, not
even news release, just whatever you're in box popping up
all that.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah, I could use some filters. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, make my life easier.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I can only imagine just the stress that this week
is for you. So we understand that well.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I mean, yeah, I understand the stress of this week,
as you guys both know. Being traded a few times
over the course of my career, I think I want
to get into a couple teams that are on the bubble,
but I believe need to make the playoffs, like a
team like the Ottawa Senators, Detroit Red Wings. What do
you see them doing, because for me, I believe that
they have to.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Buy wholeheartedly agree and I would say that you could
probably add with a lowercase B on the buyer front,
the Columbus Blue Jackets, because they're right there as well,
and with the season that they've had, they've been the
best story, not just in hockey, but the best story
in pro sports. The compete, the injuries, honoring Johnny Gaudreau

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and carrying him all season long with them, I can't
think of a more special story.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
And had you written this in.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
October, I'm not sure that I would have believed you
that this team would withstand what it has and still
be there. So they have some pending UFAs Ivan Provarov
and Matthew Olivier. I think they're going to hang onto
both those make an attempt to resign, and I think
they're going to add in a lowercase way, not trading
major futures for rentals, but to try and ensure that

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this Columbus team gets in. I'd say of those three teams,
Detroit probably the most aggressive. They've got the most cap space.
They have not played a playoff game in Little Caesars
Arena to this point, where playoffs in Detroit in the
spring hockey town that was just that was a thing
for a quarter of a century, so they need to
experience that again. Feel that again. The big thing that

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I'd look for in Detroit is on the back end.
I think their talent evaluation, adding defenseman that's where they've
really struggled, particularly on the pro side, and they have
a chance to right some wrongs. They've got some of
those finishing touch pieces with Patrick Kin and Vladimir Tarasenko
and some others. The center depth position took a little

(24:47):
bit of a hit with the Andrew cop injury, but
I think they're still pretty well positioned down the middle.
And I think that team has looked totally different since
Boxing day with the coaching change with Todd McClellan.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
So they deserve to.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Go out and add and with that fourteen million dollars
in caps, pilla plus the idea that they could add
Andrew Copp and create even more is a really beneficial
position to trade from. And it's kind of the opposite
of Ottawa, which is they've got very little cap space.
And then the bigger question is, Okay, we can go
and create more if we're the Sins by moving someone

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from our team. But if you're the Ottawa Senators, who
are you prying off the roster to then try and
make it better? So you try and fill a hole
and then you end up creating another one. I think
that's what they're wrestling with right now, is they want
to have the same aggression that a.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
Detroit or Columbus might.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
They've got some assets that they could move that are
not on their roster, but how do you create the
cap space necessary to then be able to add That's
what Ottawa's wrestling with.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I noticed, Frank you mentioned three names there, Patrick Kane,
Vladimir Terra, Senko Andrew Copp who are all former New
York Rangers, and they are right there side and points
as we speak on this Tuesday, as we record this,
what do the Rangers do?

Speaker 4 (26:07):
I think the New York Rangers are a wild card,
and I don't mean in terms of making the playoffs.
I mean because they're going to continue to sell. Riley
Smith is very likely to be on the move, as
you know, sitting out two consecutive games for trade related reasons.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
They already moved Ryan Lindgren.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I think the mission and mandate for Chris Drury at
this deadline is to figure out who your foundational pieces
are on the back end. Who are you going to
be building around. We know Adam Fox isn't going anywhere,
Braden Schneider isn't either. Is Caandre Miller part of the mix?
I know teams have called to ask, they have not
been told no. Who are your other foundational pieces up front?

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That's the real answer that I think the New York
Rangers need to solve for when it comes to this deadline,
it's not can we make the playoffs by talent alone?
The New York Rangers should be the team that makes it.
They should be the team that comes out of the
fray in the end. But they haven't played like it
except for, you know, maybe these last couple of games.

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I was thinking on the other side of Four Nations
face off that New York would just roll, they'd figure
out a way to find some momentum led by Igor
Shistererkin and net, that this team would come together. And
it's been in fits and starts, like even though they
won two out of three last week, they didn't really
look good doing it, and then all of a sudden
they're kind of slowly stacking pieces together. I think the

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only way you see New York be a buyer is
if they can find some younger pieces that fit their
age game, that have team control, like real difference makers.
But I don't think that a trade like that would
materialize between now and Friday.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
I think that's much more of a summer thing.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
And I think Chris Drury's got a lot on his
plate in terms of future surgery.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, that gets me into the next part and certain players,
and I think the sellers, and when I think the sellers,
I think of the Buffalo sabers, and I think are
three players that everyone's talking about, which is Alex Tuck,
doing Cousins and bone Byrom And if there's a chance
that some of these guys end up on some contending teams.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
They've been calling and asking.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
I think there's been some I don't want to say trepidation,
but there's definitely been a pause in Buffalo or cause
for concern because they're looking at their organization saying, the
last thing we want to do is trade away the
next Sam Reinhardt. And so that team has struggled. They've
been in the bottom of the Eastern Conference this season,

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and they've got a ton of question marks surrounding their team.
But the problem or issue is when things are going
that poorly, teams that are circling around you trying to
pick at the carcass and no one wants to give
you equal value is one or surplus value, let alone,
and it becomes really difficult because you're also dealing with

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a limited set of trade partners. And the other complicating
factor is that really makes it difficult for Buffalo to
trade right now is they're not looking for future picks back.
You know, you're trading with a contending team. They don't
want to pry a piece off their roster and send
it back to Buffalo, let alone one that means something,

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and they're ready and willing to give up first round picks,
second round picks, top prospects, whatever it might be. That's
not going to help Buffalo and a fourteen year playoff drought,
and that's what they're concerned about. So I look at
this situation and they're a team that desperately needs to
figure out a path forward, and it needs to start

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in the summer. I think making a trade now, while
possible this week, I think kind of unlikely for guys
like Cousins, maybe byrom Is in a different category because
the defense market is so thin. But when it comes
to someone like Cousins, if you're going to do it,
wait until you have a full view of the thirty
one other pieces on the chess board, as opposed to

(29:54):
dealing with just a limited group of contenders right now.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Speaking of contenders, Team the Tronto. My beliefs to center
the universe. Everyone knows what they need, what they want,
but we're not sure what's going to materialize at this
point on this Tuesday, and we know a lot can change,
But what do you think happens with this team?

Speaker 4 (30:16):
I love watching Bradtree living work because he's kind of
in on everything at the same time, and there's so
many different pieces moving around the board that it's always
interesting to see how it all comes together in the
end and what will come together. So in order of priority,
third line center, then it's a secondary scoring winger, and

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then if you still have some assets and or cap
space leftover, it's adding a depth defenseman. So I think
that's the pecking order. Can he pull off all three?
I think you know, our friends somewhere would be setting
the line at two and a half on new players
in the door for the Toronto Maple Leafs. I tend
to think he can probably get two done and not

(30:59):
a third, but he's going to try with the center position.
It really comes back to, well, if you're trying to
fit all those things in, you're going to have to
cut somewhere, meaning or you're trying to you're going to
go all in on one piece and then box yourself
out from the other two. So I'll give you a
real world example, you can go trade for Braden Sheen
from Saint Louis, who, by the way, is all of

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a sudden back in the mix, and you can give
up two first round picks or a first and a
first equivalent, plus get Saint Louis to retain half and
you bring in Shen. Okay, great, Now what now we're
not getting the secondary scoring winger. Now we're not getting
the defenseman. Or is a better path to go on?

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A lower case center? And another example would be a
Scott Lawton from Philly and then you can go out
and get the winger and the defenseman. So that's kind
of what they're wrestling with. Are there other fits that
fill in for those two players? Of course they're just examples.
But that's sort of the conversation that the Toronto Maple
Leafs are having in their front office this week.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Is there a world where you see the Shen brothers
end up in Toronto? Because that's just I know, Julie,
I see your reaction. That's what I would I would
love to see Brad you living do as a I
can't say this.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
As a Leafs fan. Nate's a Leaf fans.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
A Leaf's follower in this situation, I can't see it
because you're talking about nine plus million dollars in cap space.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
And the other part is, look, the Shen brothers have
also been an amazing story just this even in the
last week, the first pair of brothers ever to hit
one thousand games played in the same season. The thing is,
and Nate, you played in Philly. They already did this.
They already played together for three and a half seasons.
So it's not like this is a novel, new idea

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where it's like, hey, you know what, we've never done
this before, we'd really like to do it in our careers.
And not saying that they don't want to play with
each other. But the thing is, they both have families now.
It's different than they were in Philly. Brayden has the
full no trade clause.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
In Saint Louis.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
He loves being the captain there. He said week that
becoming a Blue was the best thing that ever happened
to him. You're talking about not only the assets, plus
the cap space, plus you need to do it and
appease Saint Louis, who's in a playoff chase. All of
a sudden to take their captain off the team. Doug
Armstrong has been very clear with teams, I'm not trading.

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I'm not asking my captain to wave his no trade
clause unless you give me something really significant.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
So that's where the bar has been set.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
I tend to think that the idea of adding Luke,
not to say that he's a throw in, but was
an added incentive idea to get Branden to waive the
no trade. Whether or not someone can pull that off,
and in Toronto I think it's quite a bit of
a long shot. And I was told that the Leafs
had balked certainly at the asking price in Saint Louis.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
So one of two things needs to happen.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Either the Leafs decide that that's exactly the path they
want to go down and they're willing to pay the price,
or the price would need to soften pretty significantly in
Saint Louis. I don't see that happening based on the
Blues being one point out right.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's such an interesting market with the buyers and the sellers,
as Nate and you have mentioned, but.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
The Montreal Canadians too this week, are you kidding one
point away? What do they do with Jake Evans and
David Savard and Yuel Rmia, Like, there's a whole bunch
of teams that are all of a sudden right in
the mix.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
On that note, I'm going to switch gears. What's maybe, like,
what's a team that you've noticed sort of start to
come into the mix other than the Montreal Canadians. That
was a bit of a surprise, even just a couple
of weeks ago, that you're starting to hear a lot
of chatter about, Well.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
I'm real curious about the Washington Capitals because I think
for weeks, as they've run away with their division, there's
been this sort of thought process of well, it's gone
swimmingly for Washington. They've got this great future pipeline that
they're going to be tapping into. Ryan Leonard when his

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co season is over, is going to be someone that
can step right into their lineup. Maybe he's part of
their trade deadline acquisition plan, so to speak. And then
it's like, well, wait a second, maybe the Caps are
willing to take a bigger swing, and I think they're
another one of those true wildcard teams when it comes
to the deadline. Could be really quiet but Chris Patrick

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in his first season as GM, what does he have
up his sleeve? And the third line center option I
think is on the table and should be. I don't
know that necessarily needs to be a giant acquisition. They
tried Lars Eller in that role, grabbing him from Pittsburgh
in November. I think Eller has been fine, but they
could do better. And that's sort of the spot that

(35:49):
they're in is we've got this unbelievable season unfolding, guys
hitting career highs, Alex Ovechkin potentially knocking off this record
in March in the Great Chase, And how big of
a swing should we take here given that, you know,
we didn't necessarily see this success coming this quickly.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Speaking of big swings and big, big contending teams, my
former team is the Winnipeg Jets and the division they're
in with the Central Division of Colorado, Dallas, all these
other contending teams. Does the Winnipeg Jets do they make
a big deal or is it a depth move? I mean,
you don't really want to mess with that lineup too much.
I understand that because they've been so good this year,
But what do you see the Winnipeg Jets doing this year.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Yeah, very similar conversation to Washington. I would say. The
only difference is.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
That this team in Winnipeg has taken a big swing.
Last year they went with to Foley and Monahan and
so significant acquisitions, and then they lost in the first round.
I think the Jets are facing a low key amount
of pressure in the sense that they've been a really
good team for a while and it's been since twenty
eighteen that they've had a deep run. They went to

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the conference final that year. I view them and the
way that this has been built almost no different than
the Toronto Maple Leafs in the sense that, yes, it's
a smaller market, they've had this core there for a while,
but you've got to see tangible results. Like I almost
don't care about how good the Jets season is anymore.
And that's not to say that it's not impressive, but

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it's kind of like the Leafs in the sense that
we're going to judge you moving forward now based on
what you do in the postseason. And to that end,
I think the need is super clear for Winnipeg that
second line center. It's the only real hole on their
depth chart. Brock Nelson, to me, is an unbelievable fit there.

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And I always make this point because people say, well,
what about Minnesota. He's from Minnesota, he's gonna want to
go there. Well, Warroad, Minnesota is actually closer to Winnipeg
than it is to Saint Paul. So if you're looking
for a potential fit for now and the future, which
that's been the Jets' biggest issue, you can bring into Folly,
and you can bring in Monahan and whoever else, but

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will they stay? And I think with a guy like Nelson,
you might have a chance to make a pretty convincing
argument for a team that has foundational pieces, and especially
if you can have a nice run.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
I love that Frank go Berts no birds.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Frank will let you go in a second. But I
just have like an insider question because I'm just like
very curious about your entire existence in this world. I
know that so many of you are. You know, you're
competitive with one another, right because you want to be
the person breaking the news. It seems like sometimes it's
a matter of like seconds or minutes between Do you

(38:35):
have like any kind of tips or tricks on Like,
do you have tweets? In your drafts that are like.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yep, yeah, I have tweets that are ready to fire off.
So I'll give you an example. Saturday night with the
Seth Jones trade. I think I first heard about it
maybe forty minutes before I tweeted about it, and I
couldn't get the confirmation I was looking for. So I'm
calling people left and right, texting I'm at it, just

(39:01):
like full transparency. I'm at an arcade with my two
kids and they're now getting super angry because I'm not
playing with them, and I'm like, well, like, hey, I've
got something happening here, and my wife's just rolling her
eyes as usual, and I've got this draft keyed up
in my tweets ready to hit send like breaking news,

(39:22):
Seth Jones has been traded to the Florida Panthers. But
I can't hit send until I feel that I'm at
a level of comfort that I know that this is
dead accurate. You don't have to be first, but you
have to be right. And so at the same time,
part of what you're processing is, well, if I've got it,
there's a real good chance that one of my competitors

(39:42):
has it, and so you don't you don't want to
be late. But again, my whole thing is you can't
be wrong, so people remember that way longer than being
a few seconds or minutes late. So that's what I
try and focus on. It's a really uncomfortable position to
be in at times. But again I'm one person, so
don't I don't have a team, got a great support

(40:04):
group at Daily face Off, we do awesome content, but
on the news breaking side, it's me alone and my judgment.
So whenever you get to a place where you feel
like you finally got it across the finish line, that's
when you can hit send.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Do you guys ever start of talk like, Okay, you
know so and so has good context there.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
I know, I know, I know everyone and who they
talk to. Yeah, so like I know exactly.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Who my competitors are talking to in which organizations and when.
So again, there are certain situations you're just you're just
gonna take the l and you gotta just you gotta
live with it. There are certain situations where you can
hit them with a two by four because you've got
you've got the goods. There's other situations that land completely
in your lap out of the clear blue sky and

(40:47):
you never know where information comes from. I get messages
from people I haven't talked to in six years, like, hey,
we just got on the bus and so and so
told us that he's been traded to Boom and I'm like,
all right, let's go.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
But you never know, You just never know how this
week unfolds.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Wow, that's incredible. I love you about the insight of
your job, and I know that it's probably a lot
of stress on you and your family. So we send
our t's and p's to your wife and kids at
the arcade on Saturday night. And Frank, so thank you
so much for joining us and bringing all your insight.
It is truly just so amazing to be able to

(41:21):
talk with you about all of this stuff. So Nate
and I are are very grateful, and we'll let you
get back to work.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
My pleasure fun to be with you, guys, if you
all just.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Awesome stuff with Frank so great to be able to
get his insight on the league players and of course
what it's like to do is job, which I'm obviously
extremely interested about because I can't even imagine living that life.
But hey, you live that life, and when you get
those when you have those breaking news and you break
it first. I bet you there's no better high than that,

(41:57):
and then it's like what you got to keep doing it?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (42:01):
It's like stand up comedy in a way. All right,
So let's get to reading some questions and comments from
the mailbag that we put out online, and we thank
everyone who contributed. We have a question, Nate, maybe you
can help us with this. Frank sort of Frank kind
of touched on it, but what on earth should CBJ

(42:24):
do with Provaroff this week? Because now I'm thinking they
should just keep him, But I don't know every contender
wants him. You can't replace a top tier D guy
like that and expect to keep winning. No clue would
hate to be Don Wodell.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I think that they should keep him.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
I think I played with Yvon Provaroff, and Provy is
a top tier defenseman. Like I said, you know, he's
a guy that he's kind of a one man breakout
Like I've seen this guy and he can break the
puck out by himself sometimes and he defends well, like
he's a guy that you want in their lineup, and
if they're trying to make the playoffs, and if they

(43:01):
make the playoffs, you're going to need avon Provo off
and in my opinion, I think they should keep them
and they should try and resign him because he's a
guy that with their decor. I mean, they could be
good for and I think they're going to be good
for a long time. But I think that he's just
going to help the situation. So I think you got
to keep them on pro rov.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
The Columbus Blue Jackets are in a unique situation, having
gone through horrific tragedy to then coming together and being
able to be this team that has done better than
people have expected. We'll move on to Jake in Jersey.
Jake and Jersey, and I feel like this question is
a bit of a spike question. But are the Rangers

(43:41):
done dealing after trading Lingrin and VC to the Avalanche?
Is there anyone else to trade off?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
This one's tough.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I don't think the Rangers should do much more, And
if they're going to do anything, it needs to be
something small, something minor, because I think that now it's
on them, you know, there's really not much else I
think Chris Jerry can do. Then go out and just
do a massive deal unless they're getting a massive deal
and they're resigning the guy.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
But I think now you know you got JT. Miller.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
You know you made these other moves, trading lingering away
in VC and getting back some guys as well, and
they're playing great, and you have Egorsisterkin. You have to
remember that you have Igorsisterkin and Jonathan Quick too. I
gotta mention Jonathan Quick because he've been playing well. He's
been playing amazing, amazing as well. I don't think you
can do much more if you're the Rangers. I think
that's the lineup you have. This is the team you have,

(44:30):
and it's time to go out there and show it
and make the playoffs. I mean, I think you know,
there were a year removed from them winning the President's
Trophy and now we're talking about them on the bubble,
not making the playoffs, And how much more do they
need to add to their team. I don't think you
need to add much more to their team. I think
they're they're a wildcard team. Like Frank said, they have
to find what's within that locker room right now.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, wild card in the sense that we're just not
really sure who they are, not not in the wild
card position. In the playoffs. And I think that you
make a great point because unless you're gonna just you know,
sell the and just start an entire rebuild, which it
felt like. It felt like a grenade went off earlier
this year, of course, with the and before that with

(45:13):
the whole Barkley Goodrow and the troupe of stuff in
the summer, and then just the team dynamics have been
just real not good vibes. So it's like, what is
your locker room? Give these guys a chance to figure
out their identity, which we've mentioned has been nonexistent. And
I watched them on Friday night take on the Leafs,

(45:34):
and they looked like a playoff team because they were
fighting for their playoff lives. Honestly, it was so wild
to watch this team put like thirty five shots on
stolars and the Leafs said like fifteen or whatever. It
was wild and they won. Leaves looked like pretty bad.
I'm not gonna lie they and they won, And I

(45:56):
think that that's like also a sign of a team
if you can win while you're looking like shit, and
the teams like the Rangers, that's a tough one to
lose when you are out playing the Leafs, but I will.
I just want to say before I get to your
flowers to day, I want to give myself a shout
out for taking myself on a date Friday night to
the Leafs Rangers game because I wasn't working it, so

(46:19):
I thought where else would I rather be? Where I
would be working is at Madison Square Garden watching this
game when the old you know, secondary market bought myself
a nice sweet ticket and had an amazing time with
the asterisk of running into my ex boyfriend for the
first time in over a year and a half.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I was just going to ask you what you said
you went on a date? Did you go with somebody?
But I gather you at solo just me.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I have a great time doing a lot of things
by myself these days. But yes, that was a real
doozy I had not been prepared for. So I treated
myself to an extra large margarita to get through that game.
But the game, the play on the ice was very exciting.
We're all keeping it one hundred here on the energy line, Nate,

(47:12):
you're just breaking the energy. We're bringing the energy. People
want to know this kind of stuff because it's I do.
It's relatable. I think maybe not or very unrelatable, but okay,
we want to give some flowers out. And you brought
up one of the things people don't talk enough about
in the trade mark.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I want to give my flowers to my dog, Eddie,
yellow Lab.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I want to give my flowers now because I really
haven't given him flowers and this is a chance to.
Over the course of my career, he's been traded just
as much as me, right so, hello Lab, but he's
had to move.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Around with me.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
So I would say, I got to give my flowers
to good old Eddie. He's in the other room right now.
I just want to say, great job, buddy. You've been
a soldier. You've been a trooper. He's eight years old
now and he's been through it all. He's been to
you know, he's lived, he's lived here, he's lived in Ottawa,
he's living in Winnipeg, he's living in Philly, he's lived

(48:08):
in Montreal.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I mean, wow, he's well traveled.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Very well traveled. This lab has been everywhere. So my
flowers go out to my boy Eddie.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
That's wonderful. I love that. I people don't talk enough
about what it's like for pets to be traded, because
that's so much entire new environment, like new climate.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Forget the kids, the dogs.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Kids kids can't adapt, you know, they're like there, what
is it? But dogs you don't know how they're feeling,
Like this is true.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
And they can't talk to you.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, they can't talk to you. And they're gonna have
to go out and find new places to pee and
like they don't have friends. They have to find new
friends at the dog park. Like, and they didn't, you know,
they didn't ask to be traded. So I remember Eddie.
I remember you had Eddie in Anaheim, Like I remember
you hosting about Eddie. So he's, yeah, he's seen he's
seen some stuff. Has he have you noticed ever? If

(49:11):
Eddie was like not right?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Oh? Yeah, I mean there.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Was times when being in Philly or what I mean,
I can name all these cities, I can keep going,
but I think, yeah, it's the unsettled uncertainty. The first
few nights, you know, maybe he was like restless walking
around my place or wherever I was staying.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
You know, a couple of times we're in.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
A hotel and I have him in there with me,
you know, so I know and he's like looking at
me like where are we and dead who right now?
Like what the heck are we doing right now? So yeah,
I mean it's it is. It's hard on them too,
you know, they're they have feelings.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Feelings, Animals have feelings.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Animals have feelings as well.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
So, like I said, I gotta give flowers to Eddie
because he's been through it and he's been a trooper
and he's had a wagging tail the.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Whole time because he's a dog.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Because he's a dog.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
At the end of the day, he has you. Yeah,
he's always happy to see you because he's a dog
and he's a yellow lab that feels like the best
type of dog, like hockey players and athletes who just
have like golden retrievers and labs because they seem to
be the most like adaptable to whatever situation is about I.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Thought you were going to say the reason why they
should have golden retrievers and labs is because they're the
most similar, like similar, like.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
They act the same.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, they are the same. Yeah, you know, they'll they'll
go wherever the falls thrown and they'll they'll chase after
shiny stuff. All right, Well, everyone, thank you Nate for
all of your insight on the trade deadline, the trade world.
It's it's so great for us to be able to
hear and such an insight into a world that we
have no idea, especially as media or fans listening, and

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