122: My Occurrence With Shea Serrano

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I missed you, girl. Girl, let me tell you something
I missed you too. Look at that tricept though. You
like that? Yeah, I mean for a guy that doesn't
even lift anymore, you've got a nice try try I
left a little bit. I left a little bit. Now.
You said you're just doing Pelton, but you're not like
curling iron. Oh No, I got a couple of weights
that I curl every now and then, just to you know,
keep my ship quick. Oh. I just thought you were

(00:22):
doing you were on a you were on a quarantine
trip where you were just like Cardio nothing else. No,
I thought you were about to say carbs and nothing else. Yeah,
I'm doing that too though. By the way, a lot
of love, a lot of love for the first animation
we put out. I love it. I love it, and
it's so funny. It's only thirty seconds, but I've watched
it like nine hundred times. Yeah, it's like when we

(00:44):
first heard the when we first heard the theme song.
Remember how crazy we were going to put the theme
song when we first started. For those of you don't know,
um this company, Cartoon Radio is an animation company in Brooklyn,
and they did an animation of of moment of Donald
and are my podcast of this podcast, and um, they

(01:05):
just you know, tagged us on Instagram and we thought
it was so funny. We hit them up and said,
you know, can we work out a situation where we'll
obviously pay you, but when you do like some quick
little thirty second moments from the podcast. And they thought
that was awesome, and so now we were starting to
roll some of them out. In the first one we
just put on our Instagram today although this was this

(01:26):
was this will be like this will be like a week.
But anyway, they did the moment with Donald giving Jeff
Zucker noogies and the animation is so funny. Dude, your
eyes are all fun blood shot dude. Like they knew
I smoked that ship and they knew I drank that
ship that night. Well, we did talk about how we were, yeah,

(01:47):
but I didn't talk about how I smoked that ship.
Like when you when you drink, your eyes don't get
red like that. But you know what they got Maybe
they're listening and they got because another episode I mentioned
how when you're hammered, you like this this what do
you call this? When you do this? It's a hot step.
I got that ship from you though, dude, right anyway,
just a drunk high step. And then when they in

(02:08):
the animation when you're headed over to Zuker, you're like,
get over. That is Hilarious's funny out and what I
love about On Instagram, I'm sure they're doing it on yours.
Two people are like saying, Oh, you gotta do this moment,
or you gotta do the washcloth to be you gotta
do this. They are doing that. What's crazy? Is it?
I think you need to tell each and every one
of your followers that you demand that they follow me

(02:30):
or funk off, because I wouldn't. I don't listen. I
look at what your numbers are, and I look at
what my numbers are on Instagram, And I gotta be
honest with you, I'm a little jealous, dude, Like little
you're assuming that they're all scrubs. Folks, there might be
some people that love Garden State and uh and and

(02:50):
so where are my clueless people? At? Where am I
remember that titens people at? Where are my mother fucking
I'm telling you right now, where my mother fucking waiting
to exhale? People at where my car? Some people at
where my tripping people at where my listen, I'll put
it out there man, because where they need to represent
your homies Spimoni people Spemoni, where are my next day?

(03:13):
And people at Yo? Come on now, homies. Spioni is
a film that Donald made. Um. It's basically the plot
of the Jerk, except instead of a white baby being
dropped off at a black family's home, Donald's a black
baby that's dropped off at an Italian family's home. Right,
no, no no, no, I'm not even dropped off. They literally
kidnapped me pretty much, the nap. Yeah. They find me

(03:34):
floating in the river in Italy and the mom kidnaps
me like like Moses. Uh well yeah, I guess so.
But Moses was you know when Moses put in the
basket and yeah, trying to escape. Yes, the do I
have my old Testament? Right? Um? Didn't they put Moses's wife? Yeah,

(03:57):
Moses and then Pharaoh's wife found her found I went
to Hebrew school. Now, Donald, I have a question for you,
Homie s Pimoni. For those of you don't know Whoopi
Goldberg and the Great Paul, the Great Paul Mooney, Now
do you do an Italian New York accent. Right, give
us you want to hear a sample of my This

(04:21):
is the character right, listener right, My name's Renato, right,
and this is how we do things where I'm from. Okay,
it's very simple. It's almost like a New York accent too.
It's like a York you know, I've seen a lot.
It was a lot thicker back in the day when
I was doing it. It was so hard like it
was thick, you know. Um. Jamie Lynn Siegler, right, Yes,

(04:44):
she was my love interest on it. She's like, you
sound like the guys I grew up with. Oh, that's
a compliment because it was a compliment. I think she's
a Jersey girl, is she? I don't know that. They
got a lot of Italians in Jersey. Listen. I gotta
tell you something. I've never seen that movie. But if you, dude,
you've never seen anything I've been I've seen a lot
of bullshit. Man. I remember I showed you fucking remember

(05:06):
the time I was like you just watch remember the
Titans on the plane. You got halfway through it and
you were like, I mean, it's cool, that's not a
true story. That's not a true story. I'm gonna watch
that film because I know how much people love it,
and I love Denzel Um, I love so you've never
seen remember the Titans. I have never seen Remember the Titans. See,
that's what I'm talking about, right there, guy. But you

(05:26):
didn't read the Garden State script, so off. But I
saw the Garden State script and you don't even didn't
even hold the script in your hand. Yeah did I?
I said, I would like you to read this. Then
you said, are there any black people in it? And
I said there's two, but you're not right for them.
And I already cast method man and you said that
I'm not That's right, that is true. But I will

(05:47):
tell you this, what dick? What a dick, dude, I'm
gonna watch remember the title. You know I'm gonna watch
it tonight. We're looking for a movie for tonight. Yeah,
please do all right, I'm telling you right now, I'm
gonna lay it down. IM gonna lay down the law.
You know, kick Ass two people at you know where
y'all at? Kick Ass two? If you Donald's and kicks?
Donald is now talking about Donald? Oh you're circling back

(06:11):
to Instagram. Well, Donald, I I'm sorry that you're upset
about this, but the good not upset. I'm just a
little jealous. Well, I think that you should give some
love to the people that are following you and so
they don't feel like what we won't We don't matter
to you, Donald, No, they definitely matter. You people that
are following me right now, I love you. I love you. Yes,

(06:32):
you are special to me, and we together are building
a great foundation and UH and institution. What is necessary
right now is for you to tell your friends that
six hundred thousand isn't enough. Tell your friends, tell your wife. Listen.
Today is a very special episode of this show because

(06:55):
today's the first time we're having on as our guest,
someone who was not on the show, um, someone who
had nothing to do with the show, but I wanted
to have him on. We wanted to have him on
because he's an incredible writer and amongst many things that
he's written, he's written a self published book about Scrubs
that I'm going to promote many many times. It's called

(07:16):
where do You Think We Are? And it's ten illustrated
essays about Scrubs and was written by Cheeserrano and it
was illustrated by our too Torres, and it is really awesome,
and he is. I don't know how well you know
Shade Donald. We'll get We're gonna get him on before
you tell me anything about how you well you know him,
But I follow him on Twitter and he's very entertaining.
I don't know. I don't know him well before get

(07:39):
into that seven stories about show we made about a
bunch of nurses stories sound around here as wait for it.

(08:06):
There he is, wait fresh cutting, everything is fresh. The
oh man. It's so nice to finally meet you. I
am I am like one of your one of your
many many Twitter followers, and I feel like I know you.
But it's so nice to finally Yeah, I'm excited. I'm
really excited to be here. I've been I've been waiting

(08:27):
on hold since twelve in the afternoon for three hours now.
Just I don't want I don't want to miss it.
I didn't want to miss this one. You know, you've
been sitting there. You've been sitting there. We didn't put
you on hold. You just this was like a self
proclaimed hole. Yes, he want he didn't want to funk
up Donald. So he's been sitting there with his mike.
Now s before you say anything, I gotta tell you.

(08:47):
I was doing research for the show on you because
I know you for being very popular on Twitter. I
encourage you to follow sha and we'll get his handle
out before the show ends. But he I'm reading all
about you and your career is amazing. But I started
reading like he wrote, uh this. The second book was
called the Rap Yearbook, the most important rap song from

(09:07):
every year since nine. Then he's got another book called
Basketball and Other Things that Obama said was one of
his favorite things. And then he's got another And I'm
sitting here going I'm gonna lose Donald phase on to
share like I'm sitting here being like this, this was
a bad idea. The man has written best selling books
on rap and basketball, and I'm gonna lose him. And

(09:29):
you know what I love, and you know what I love? Oh,
you know what. What's what's funny is is, uh, I
got a chance I met Donald one time. I don't
know if you remember. I do remember I remember that
look before I even read the book. You read it, yeah, so,

(09:53):
but before before I even knew that it existed, Zach
was like you were coming on and I looked you
up on Uh. I googled you and I was like, oh,
I met this dude. I met this dude, and when
I was going to do first take, I thought you
were going to do first take that day also, but
I also met you. Your wife was with you, right,
that's your wife. Yeah, and she and I got to

(10:15):
talk a little bit more than you and I did.
But I mean, and then I read the essay and
you made it seem like you were like all crazy,
like holy shit, holy sh it. You guys were a
little bit cooler than that. My head, his head, Yeah, absolutely,
inside of my head. It's only been a few times
in my life. I was starstruck. But me Denzel Washington

(10:35):
and Michael Jordan, I know, I'm watching you walk in
that room. I don't know if it's because I was
surprised or because I had just finished, like I was
already working on the Scrubs thing, so I had gone
through the whole series again, whatever it was. But yeah,
when you walked in there, I was like, holy fucking ship.
Like I was trying so hard not to not to
wig out you. You were there for you were there
for a book, right, you were there for another book,

(10:57):
but it was it wasn't the wrap book. It was
the basketball book right now? Was the basketball one? Came
out in October last year. I did movies and other things,
and so that's when I wasn't I was in New York, um,
you know, doing all the press stuff. Okay, I'm sorry,
before we did this is what's gonna happen. This is

(11:17):
my nightmare, right Joel. They just suddenly they turned my
mic down and they just go off. Well, I just
wanted to get into the basketball things. You said, Mike,
you think my game would be more like like you
imagine my game being like p J. Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna agree with that. I'm gonna I knew it.
I'm gonna watched enough. Yeah yeah, yeah, a lot of

(11:37):
jump shots, some defense, very competitive and talks a lot
of ship. Yeah that's me. That's I wish I had
a little bit of a you know, a silkier game.
I wish my game was more like Clay Thompson. But
p J. Tucker was spot on. Man, he's a he's
a great uh. I don't even know if you would
consider him a role player. He's just like a glue guy, right, yeah,

(11:59):
he's in a sin true player on that on that
Rockets team. I lived in Laramie and I lived in
Houston for fourteen years, so we were there like when
he showed up. And then he's one of those guys who, like,
if you go to the city where he's playing, everybody
there just fucking loves him because all this stuff he does. Yeah, now, say,
I have a question. Do you know do you have
your book? Like Donald about your rap book? And Shay

(12:20):
is um Everything he writes becomes a best seller, including
um the Rap Yearbook, the most important rap song from
every year since nineteen seventy nine, discussed, debated, and deconstructed.
Billboard said this was one of the best hundred best
music books of all time, which, holy shit, man, congratulations
on an accomplishment like that round round of thunder applause. Yeah, Dan,

(12:43):
please put in some thunders supplause. Uh, you won't hear it, Shay,
so just imagine it. It's just it's like a stag.
You listen to the podcast, right, say, I've seen you
on so you know you know how Dan really brings
the thunder supplause. Um. Now, Shay, if Donald were to say,
because Donald loves rap, you were to like mention a
year you don't have this memorize, right, or do you?

(13:03):
Because if he would just say, like, if Donald were
to be like, all right, nineties seven, would you be like, oh,
this is what I wrote about that I believe so
is puff Daddy if I'm not mistaken, which um I
want to say, you can look it up. It's so good.
As as sad as I am about how much how
well you guys are hitting it off. I just feel like,
once this rap conversation starts, it'll be Donald's favorite conversation

(13:26):
in the world because he really really loves rap, like
as long as I've known him. Yeah, it's the best
music in the world. It was can't Nobody hold Me Down?
I can't know okay with him and with him and Mace. Yeah,
that was because because that was when when when rap
had like they were doing the whole shiny suit thing,

(13:46):
it was like it became all about opulence and high
Williams and the hip Williams mint music videos right that
those ones came a little bit, Yes, right around then,
I remember around Nobody hold Me Down was Yeah, I'm
just saying because I was when I was peeing fresh
out of college, I was peeing on rap videos. In
New York and I don't really know the music that well,

(14:07):
but I remember like Hip Williams was a god at
the time. And that's right around the time all those
Mace Puffy videos were coming out. That was the one
way they went in the desert, right, And uh, isn't
j Lo in it too? Yeah? She's in that one. Ye?
All right? Donald, do you want to pick a year
now that he's got it up? Just pick like I mean,
but I mean, okay, ninety two, that's a hard one,

(14:28):
Like I don't have I don't have the book up.
I was just I don't mean to put you on
I don't mean to put you on the spot. I
just wanted that. But I will say I know, like
I know, ninety two was nothing but a g thing
that there was a lot, right, that's a great, great record, man,
that's really really good. That Chronic was what oh my gosh, man,

(14:50):
there were a lot of great albums that came out, though.
I feel like in ninety two, you know what I mean?
That was Yeah, I graduated, I think from high school.
I'm pretty I liked that song roll and down the
streets smoking and sipping on gin and juice. So that's
not the Doggy style album. And there's like there's like
a constant debate between which is a better G funk

(15:11):
album between between the Chronic and dogges Style both the
dope man pick one, pick one? Which one do you
want to listen to right now? Ship Man? Well, because no,
because what happened is with hold on hard. What happened
is it's hard man, because Doggies Style, Nate Dog, all
these cats are on that record. Man, it's hard because

(15:40):
you know, I take it back, I go chronic. But
just because of deep Cover, I could feel it. Remember
when Deep Cover of the movie came out and that
song was on the deep Cover soundtrack, and my boy
played me that ship and we listened to that ship over.
We listened to that song over and over and over again,
and this is before the beat for the East Coast
West Coast stuff, and it was just like, Yo, this

(16:02):
is the this is the dopest thing I ever heard
in my life. Yes, it's one of those one of
those moments where you like, I've never heard something like this.
Here Snoop sort of lollygagging out into the song, like
who is this guy? Yeah? Yeah, that And the beat
was fucking fire and fucking and then the cook was yeah,
and you don't stop because it's run night seven on

(16:22):
it Undercover Cops that Stover make a documentary about this
because I read that there was talking of it. Did
they ever make it a documentary about of your book? Oh? Yeah,
yeah yeah. So what happened is a production company got
the rights for it, and then we signed up with
the Roots. They became like executive producers on it, and
then they sold it to We sold this series to
AMC and they did a six episode thing where it

(16:45):
was like six episodes. Each episode was about one particular song.
They're an hour long, and so it became like a
video over. It was really cool. I got to go
out to New York. They did like a concert, The
Roost did a concert before the and then they showed
the The one of the episodes is the one that
they did on on Jesus Walks, and it was it
was really really cool to what's so cool? Because as

(17:06):
I'm listening to you talk about it, I mean, I
just think it would be such an amazing I can
understand why be amazing series. I wouldn't check that out.
I definitely it was great. You know what what his
need is. So they we got all signed up and
they like we we sold the series and they started
working on it and they gave me a phone call
and they're like, hey, do you want to call in
and like we're brainstorming and helping out doing whatever. And
I said, oh, yeah, yeah, like that would be cool
because I like I know a lot about REP what

(17:27):
we're doing this whole thing. And I called in and
Black thought in Quest Lever both in there and like
everything that somebody brought up, like I had like a
third hand story, like oh yeah, I heard a story
about a party that happened at this thing, and no
matter what it was, Quest blacked out. They were like,
oh yeah I was at that party. I wrote to
I don't want to I don't want to help anymore,

(17:47):
Like yeah, guys, clearly you got this. I was gonna
fall back. That's amazing. Yeah. You know, I've been at
some places like where crazy things happened, like and I
was just I just happened to be there when the
things happened, like you know what I mean, Like I
was at the party where Biggie got killed. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
did you did? You did you hear like, yeah, I

(18:11):
heard guns. I was outside, so I heard the gunshots. Also,
I spoke to him before all of it happened. You
never told me this. You saved this for shape, dude.
You're not a hip hop You're not a hip hop
I mean, I'm not a hip hop dude, but I'm
a pop culture fan. You have told me you were
at that event. Yeah, dude, I was at that event
event and I spoke to him, and then, uh, the

(18:32):
next morning I found out he was there. I actually
found out that night that he had gotten shot. Somebody
came around the corner and told me, you know, yo,
they just fucking got Big, And I was like, get
the funk out of here. And I remember telling Ricky
Bell from Bell Bib de Vote and he was like,
shut the funk up, dude, you don't know what you're
talking about. And then the next morning, my boy Diane
Richmond called me up on the phone and was like, Yo,
they killed Big last night. And I was like holy

(18:54):
and and I was like, holy shit, I was there, dude,
I was. I spoke to him right before. You know
what I mean, I've did this couple of instances, like
I was at Neils the night all that ship went
down with Tupac and the girl on the dance floor
and stuff like that. Like I was at the I
was at the club hanging out with my friends and
stuff like that, and I was there like just a
bunch of things. Man, it's weird. It's it's my connection

(19:16):
to hip hop runs deep. Man. I love I love
it so much. And when I was, when I was younger,
I would be you would frequently find me at some
of these events that were considered, you know, later on
that were considered iconic or pivotal moments in artists careers,
especially in Tupacs and bigs. Those were two big moments.
One one was the death of one and one was

(19:37):
where everybody started looking at somebody as a true troublemaker,
which was bullshit, but that was that was what. From
that moment on, Tupac's lane shifted from you know, actor
rapper to activists too. You know, his whole run with
death Row and the whole East Coast, West Coast Beef
and all of that stuff. A lot of it stemmed
from that moment that I wasn't even do you think

(20:00):
it wasn't that I wasn't I don't know what right,
you know, like that butterfly effect thing where one thing
happens and then it causes everything to happen. If I
take myself out of the equation, everybody would Donald Donald
like bumped into some waiter who then got in a
bad mood and was rude to Tupac, and all of
a sudden, all this ship because Donald did, do I do?

(20:21):
Either of you all follow a writer named Chiohdari Coker. No, okay,
so he works on a ton of stuff, but he
like worked on the biggie movie um Low Riders, creed
to like a bunch of the stuff that I liked.
I started following him. But just today he was talking
about I think it was today, maybe might have been
last night or yesterday, but he was talking about when

(20:42):
when Tupac did Juice, and he was saying, like when
he got the role of Bishop, which was like the
guy who causes all the trouble in it. Um, like
that was the beginning of his like gangster rapper, Like
it's set him on that path and like that's just
crazy to think about. Was a little thing like that,
you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I was, I was
in Juice I had a really tiny role in that movie.

(21:04):
And the one thing I remember the most about that
movie was the premier and after seeing it, and you know,
Tupac walking into the it was like it lows on
forty second Street or something like that. It was in
Times Square, I remember that. And he walked into the
area where everybody was being let out of the movie,

(21:24):
and it felt like he had like the glow around,
like the Bruce Leroy glow around him, man, because you
just knew at that moment he was out of him
and yeah, he was. Just that's when I became a
fan of his, you know what I mean, Like as
an actor, I you know, checked on his stuff all
the time, all of the movies he made and stuff
like that. When I was younger, I remember thinking he's
a better actor than he is a rapper, dude. I

(21:46):
remember thinking that that's like an argument you could honestly
legitimately make like he was unbelievable as an actor. Yeah, yeah,
he was a very good actor. So Shade tell us
like how you came to Scrubs and and and this
this book, because I just I was so moved by
a lot of that. I mean, it's funny your book, um,

(22:07):
and but also there's moments I was reading and that
would that would give me goose bumps, because you articulate
moments and scrubs sometimes I think better than moments and
scrubs even were I know, I mean, and I appreciate that.
We we love what a fan you are. And I
was reading something you wrote about the episode We're gonna
talk about today my my occurrence, and I got goose

(22:28):
bumps when you wrote it. It was about it was
about when I find out that Brendan Fraser's character has
leukemia and Judy standing there, and I'm not bullshitting you.
When I rewatched the episode today, it was even more
moving to me. It was really unique. It was a
really unique experience because I don't remember the moment and
then I read your essay in his book where do
you Think We Are? And it gave me goose bumps.
And then I rewatched the moment today and I was

(22:50):
so much more moved by it because I had your backstory.
So that I encourage you, if you're a Scrubs fan,
to get this book. But anyway, I just want to know.
It's a long question, but how did you come to
Scrubs And then how did you come to write this book?
I came to Scrubs late. Um, this was this was
back when it was on Netflix, so it's a few
you know, several years ago. I didn't. I had never

(23:10):
really I didn't watch it when it was like on
an ABC, ORNBC or anything like that. Um, but I
started catching it when I think it showed up. I
got in a Comedy Central or you know, you know,
on one of those cable channels, and I was like,
this is this is like a cool show. But there
was no way to like rewatch the whole thing. You
just catch whatever episodes you can. And then it popped
up on Netflix and Larry me my wife, she also
likes the shows, who were like, oh, let's like I

(23:31):
haven't seen like the first four seasons or something. Let's
sit down and watch it. And so you like, that's
how it started, was a few years ago. And then
it just became one of those shows that we watched
our whole way through it. We we like fell in
love with everybody on there. And as it was one
of the ones where it was like it's been a
long day and I needed like unwind and relax, and
I need to like feel some emotions of some sort.
So let me put but this one on because I

(23:53):
think and I wrote this in a thing, but I
think Scrubs is the best TV show ever at like
balancing between those two worlds. You'll talk about it a
lot of the time, like how hard of a transition
that is to to make, too, from going from something
like totally silly and like ridiculous immediately into something just
outlandish or um, you know, like crazy serious. Um. So

(24:18):
that's how we started watching that show, and it just
became like like a ritual. Every so often, we're like,
we're gonna restart Scrubs again and we're gonna watch it,
and then that's going to be like what we do. Right.
I love it And you and your wife getting debates
about the show. I saw and part of the book
is the email conversation you have about whether or not
she likes j D or not. And I really appreciated

(24:39):
your point of view more than because Larmie Laramie loves
the show, but it's j D is not her favorite character.
And I appreciated Jay debating why he should be. Yeah, yeah,
that's like, yeah, we so that we started watching the
show and I realized, like, you watch a show and
depending on like who you are, the type of person
you are, just watched it a little bit different than

(25:01):
everybody else. And I realized at some point that we
were very much watching the show differently. I was watching
it waiting for like the j D moment to happen,
when you like make your eyes water or you like
say a thing real seriously. And she was watching it
for like, for like a Turk and Carlos situation or
Dr Cox situation or whatever, and so like, well, we
should let you know, let's talk about this a little bit.

(25:22):
And uh, my favor, my favor. I was skimming through
the book because you know, I'm not but you don't
take it personally. He skimmed through the scripts for the episodes.
I'm not, well, I'm not a great reader. And my attentions,
my my attention focused on two If j D and
Turk were to ever do a buddy cop movie, what

(25:43):
would it be? And you go through a bunch of
a bunch of lists of what movies And I immediately
went for Running Scared with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hinds,
Like that's the immediate when I went to and I
was like, I bet you he doesn't have that on
the list, And sure enough, it's right there on the list.
Over the years, we've always talked about it's never happened

(26:05):
but so far, but we've always talked about wanting to
do a buddy cop or buddy movie of some kind together. Um.
I was obsessed with trying to do like a Spies
Like Us thing because I thought Donald and I could
really do. We both love playing guy weighing over his
head and the idea and like, I mean, I don't
want to. I would never a dare to attempt to
remake Spies Like Us because I love that movie. But

(26:26):
the premise of that, like two spies that are fun
ups that get in way over their head. I thought
Donald and I would be really funny at but um,
but it's funny. I don't that you wrote a section
in the book about that, because Donald and I always
talked about wanting to do something like that. But yeah,
go ahead, man, oh, I was gonna say, that's how
you could tell. I was like, I had just finished
up the movie book at the same time I was
doing the Scrubs thing, and I had rewatched all of

(26:47):
like Buddy cop movies, and I was like, this is like,
this makes too much sense. Now she doesn't work. It
does make sense, man, I think Turk and j D
would and and and it really comes through Zach on
the episode of first episode that you directed, where we're
doing the whole Heather Gram thing. It really comes through there,
like that's a buddy cop movie or a buddy comedy

(27:09):
in itself, right there. These two dudes going to adventure
and it's a silly one too, so his boy can
get some mask, you know what I mean with a
letter familiar. Actually, Shaira, you wrote that in the in
the book a little bit too, because you're talking about
Molly Shannon's character in that episode. And that's one of
my favorite episodes ever. I I, uh, we bring it
up a lot because it was a pivotal moment for
me because it was the first one I got to direct,

(27:31):
and uh it was it was epic and Donald and
I went on a quest that all took place over
one night. You know, for budget, most of the time
we would you know, be confined to the hospital with
with going out a little bit here there. But you know,
it's very expensive to bring a full film crew out
into the real world. And and sometimes what Bill would
do is he'd sort of save up, so we'd we'd
have episodes that were mostly contained to the world of

(27:52):
the hospital, and then he'd use the budget money he'd save.
Then we do like a big gass one. That's why
they'd be like The Wizard of Oz or the Medieval
Times on or this one with Heather, where we were,
you know, out all night long. UM, I wanted to
ask you, Shay. I wanted to say, just before we
get in the episode, UM, I really even impressed by
how hard you hustle and work. And you know, we're

(28:15):
both on Twitter. We're all on Twitter, and I always
see a lot of writers asking you for advice and
how do I do it. I'm just so impressed with
how hard you work. You write your ass off, You
then go off and you really, um talk to your
followers and say, hey, support the cause I'm here working
my ass off and I made a thing I think

(28:37):
you're gonna like. And I don't know, I just I'm
I've always been impressed by how hard you work. And
I wonder if you if you wanted to speak to
that for for anyone, it could be about anyone trying
to go after their dream, but you you particularly do
it with your writing. Yeah, well, I think that's that's
probably like an extension of of several different things. We
grew up we live in San Antonio now. When I

(28:57):
grew up, like on the other side of town, we
were like real poor, you know, nobody was like finishing
school or anything like that. So like that's always in
the back of my head, like if ship goes wrong
or if I make like a few mistakes, we could
fall all the way back there. So that's that's part
of it. Um. But also like in the in the
case of the the Scrubs thing, like this was a

(29:18):
thing that I was publishing independently. That is, you weren't
gonna find it in bookstores. The only way anybody was
going to find out about it was directly through me
at the at the start of it, you know. So
like I'm not gonna just sit there and cross my
fingers and hope somebody like bats their way into it.
Not you know, I'm trying to be like the guys
at the at the fucking mall that comes spraying you
with you like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm

(29:42):
I'm gonna be that. I'm gonna be that kind of salesperson.
Or the guys in New York with the rap album
I always trying to get you to buy there, dude.
That's the strongest hustle level because there's a part of
that hustle. It's also like strong arming YouTube. I always
do it. I always do it because I feel so bad.
By the time you've walked two blocks with him, you're like, too,
I'm okay, okay, they're they're say they're smart. They're like, hey,

(30:04):
hold this for me real quick, and then you hold
it and they're like, all right, that's seven dollars, Like
what the fun wasn't even I wasn't I wasn't even
I wasn't even trying to buy it, dude. But they're
the best salesman, those guys, because by the time you've
walked a block with them, you're like, yeah, yeah, I
do need to hear this. You're right, that does sound good. Yeah.
Sometimes sometimes it's like Dog, just give me. But then

(30:28):
they're like Donald, come on, Donald, keep it real. Donald,
I've seen this is what I hate because I get
a lot of this. I've seen you in the movies.
Dog don't let me. Don't let me down. Now I
didn't let you down. Don't let me down. All right. Well,
I always think, you know, in in my career, the
things I've done that you know, you have to put

(30:50):
yourself out there. You have to really you know, I've
write my own stuff. You get turned down a hundred times,
and you just gotta keep going and keep fighting for
you keep believing yourself. And I think that's one of
the reasons I really like what you say and do
on on Twitter, because you do a lot of philanthropic
things as well, but you're also someone who's just like,
I'm gonna do this on my own. Sometimes sometimes a
publisher will publish it. Sometimes I'll publish it, but like

(31:12):
I'm always going to be doing my own hustle, which
I really appreciate. Thank you, Thank you very much. So, guys,
we're going to the episode, but um go buy Shay's book.
It's called go to the website Sacred Heart Gang dot com.
If you go to Sacred If you go to Sacred
Heart Gang dot com, you can buy the book. It's
a pdf you can download. It's twenty bucks. It's really

(31:35):
worth it. It's amazing. I've seen some people on online
or are printing it out and kind of making their
own their own book out of it, But UM, support
independent writers. He's self published this with amazing illustrations by
our too Torres and uh, I can't I really recommend
it if you're a Scrubs fan. Um, it's it's very
very entertaining parts. Donald skimmed. Can we talk about the

(31:58):
illustrations real quick? Illustrated? They kind of look like the
New York Times. I'm not the New York Times the
Wall Street Journal. When they draw the pictures like, they
look like when somebody sits in front of you and
poses and stuff like, they're very they're very lifelike, almost
like yeah, kind of kind of like a portrait. Yeah. Absolutely, yes,

(32:19):
especially the one with Brendan Frasier on the for the
title of the book. You know what I mean with
the inside when you get to that moment and you
even say at that moment, I didn't want to talk
about that, you know, I hate talking about this and
Zach you before we get into the store, I wanted
to say this. Also, it made also me watching the
episode again, it made it more impactful for me because one,

(32:41):
I knew how it was gonna work out the way
you laid it out in the book. I knew how
it was gonna end up, not only because I was
in it, but because of that. But but but it
made it more impactful because what the way you described
all of what was happening, Uh, you really told the story. Well,

(33:03):
that's my point. You know, that's good writing when you're
like when when when he's he's he's writing his thoughts
on something we were a part of. And I never
had this experience before. I mean, I guess occasionally when
someone writes a good review of something you've done, maybe
it's similar. But you're writing his thoughts on this moment,
and it made the moment for me as a part
of it more impactful. I thought that was real. And

(33:25):
then even where and then even where it stems from
how you bring it back to the episode where we
lose you know, where one in three patients die when
they go into the hospital and everything like that, how
you connect the This is how Scrubs sucks you up.
They suck you up by making you think you know
everything's all right, everything's all right, everything's all right, and
then just when you're feel like you're out of the

(33:46):
woods and you're safe. They dropped the fucking hammer on you,
you know what I mean. And by the way, this
is how good Shays writing is. Uh. He preempted Brendan
Frasier being on this podcast. So I want you to know,
Shay that we and I'm telling oouncing to the fans
right here now, that the next episode will have Brendan
Frasier on this podcast. That's perfect. That's perfect. Um, So

(34:07):
we want SHA's gonna come on and we're gonna talk
through Brendan Frasier's first episode. Then the next episode we're
gonna have Brendan Fraser come on and uh and talk
about it, and then uh will eventually, I guess it's
season three, we'll get to uh, the big one. That's
a lot of people's favorite episode of all time. This
also when Brendan spoiler alert dies. This also is kind

(34:30):
of a it's precursor the right word to that episode.
Like this whole episode pretty much is a dream, dude
that I didn't even remember that by the way, you
know what I mean, Yeah, a lot of foreshadowing, right,
I I didn't remember that either. And I've truly went
on this journey with j d through this whole episode

(34:52):
of him trying to, you know, rationalize why this, Oh,
this is a false positive test. This test isn't it's
not to co They're they're sucking up all day. I
even made a note, and I even made a note, Wow,
Sacred Heart is making a lot of mistakes. Yeah. Yeah.
And also, by the way, first of all, I was
so fucking uncomfortable with Judy hitting on me. And I

(35:12):
didn't remember that at all, but because Donald's my best
friend of the world, I was nervous that his TV
wife was hitting from me. I was like, I was like,
my stomach was getting uncomfortable. And then I noticed a
very subtle thing. I don't know if you guys noticed this,
because I'm just very aware of the cinematography. I don't
know if it was Larry Trilling who directed. We mentioned
that Bill Lawrence wrote this one and Larry Trilling, one

(35:34):
of our favorite directors, directed it. And uh, there was
this weird, sort of very subtle filter on the camera
for that fantasy, that long dream sequence, and I didn't
remember that it was a dream sequence. I remember, like, Jesus,
why is this. It's usually a filter you you would
reserve for a close up of a of a woman
of a certain age. We wanted to maybe soften her wrinkles,

(35:55):
a little bit of her eyes. But if you go
back and look, it's on that whole sequence. I I
was kind of like, why is why is this filter on?
Like what? And then I was like is this just
look weird on my computer? Like what's going on? And
then when it was revealed that the whole thing is
a is a fantasy, I was like, Oh, that was
like a little subtle thing. You know, a lot of
lots of little subtle things either, but that's one thing
I noticed with the cinematography. It makes you want to

(36:17):
go back and watch it again. It's a good show.
Good show, Thank you, thank you. Well, I'm telling you
when you get Chase, when you guys get Chase book,
you're gonna want to when you read his essays, then
you want to go back and go, Okay, now I
gotta rewatch that episode with this with this essay in mine.
All right, we're gonna go to a break and we'll
be ride back and we're back back. All right, we're

(36:47):
gonna go into this episode, guys, all right, I got
one thing to say when we start off, What the funk?
How do why do we have like a cheese plate
with a meat cheese meat plate the size of like
when you go to a party at like it's it's
our cheese and night, and we and we got like
the Ramps version of cheese and meat. It's like, it's

(37:09):
only cheddar. It's only cheddar and American and white white cheddar,
yellow cheddar and American cheese and the worst cheese broacht
beef turkey. It's cold cuts, rolled up and we're drinking
wine and this is our and this is our night

(37:31):
out from the hospital. And Judy Carla says she got
a nice bottle of wine and then Donald's right, if
you freeze frame at five seconds on the plate we're
talking about, it's basically cubes of cheddar and rolled up
cold cuts. Well, maybe maybe the rationalization was that we

(37:51):
didn't know we were just we were like, we were
so busy being doctors. None of us are cooks, and
we're like, oh, we're gonna have like an adult night.
That's what we do they have. So this is a
good example of one of the one of the reasons
I like to rewatch the show so much because every
time you rewatch it, you're gonna find like another little
neat thinking there. So I noticed that she's saying same
same as you did when I rewatched it yesterday, and

(38:12):
I was like, the only person in this room who
is upset about the situation or the setup is Carla,
which makes sense because she for that whole first season,
second season, she's like the adult in the room, and
the other and the and the other three are just
sort of pretending to be adults, so they think like,
this is what it's supposed to look like. And probably

(38:33):
probably she probably a turk and and uh and j
D would probably tasked with getting a nice tea. We
went to fucking the supermarket, were like got one of
those sund jobs. Meanwhile, she went to the liquor store
and bottom expensive and then we still how about I mean,
I feel bad um the talking like j D knowing

(38:56):
so much about what celebrities are are naked and what movies.
But it was pretty funny when he's like fun to
and touch to. They have something like that on the
playboych I mean, never mind, this is obviously before a
website like this existed, so it does come up in
the episode, but I don't think we should actively advertise

(39:18):
them unless you want to hear it. Let us know, Okay,
hit up, hit up Donald on his Instagram on me,
hit me up on my Instagram. But you gotta fine
only I'll only respond if you follow. But make sure
you follow because he's very upset about his follower account.
But if you really, if you don't want to take
the time to google it, just that share you want

(39:38):
some of this, man, We could we can hijack We
can hijack some of Zack's followers, man and get them
on on he's blowing up, Say share some of yours
with me, brother, alright, one day won twelve. I was
kind of taken, and I think this comes up in
your essays if I'm not mistaken. But we finally see
Cox like someone. Um, he seems that he seems to

(40:02):
never like anybody or at least be snarky with anyone
and everyone. This is this is sort of the first
time that he's really uh, we see how much he
genuinely is no bullshit. Has a friend. Yeah, that's really
It's really like an interesting creation of a character is
to put somebody in in his orbit who just sort
of takes away all of his like protective armor immediately

(40:26):
like he has another friend later on the show, Michael
Boatman's character Ron, and then when he shows up and
they're like clearly close friends, but but at the same
time they're like poking each other in the eye every
once in a while with something. But Brendan Fraser's character
Ben is the only time we see him where he
is just wide open and like just having a good
old time and he loves Yeah. It's it's it's it
really mirrors j D. And it's like his turk in

(40:48):
a way. Um, just solely in the fact that like
they're on you know, they're hugging, and they're and they're
joking about hugging and um and they're just very they're
being playing silly games, the thing with the card on
their head, and they're just like they're unabashedly themselves. Yeah,
all of all of the things that Dr Cox says
annoys him about j D. Yeah, the things that Brent

(41:09):
like he he talks in the voices, he's very affectionate,
and I'm seeing like like, oh, this is like you
begin to understand. This is like why he has such
a fondness for j D is because he reminds him
of this counsel. That's great. I really love that analysis.
And I didn't see it, um, But it's funny. I was.
I was watching Brendan Fraser's choice in this character for
the first time in twenty years, and he is playing

(41:31):
it very goofy and silly, and it's very j D like.
And it's funny that you say that, Um, that I
never thought of it like that. It's like you're seeing
even though Cox has to keep it down because he
like has to be Cox to j D, there is
that there must be some aspect of j D that
reminds him of his good buddy. You know, there's no

(41:52):
question about it. There's no question. Um. I love when
I go to the bar one three, when I go
neat hug? What neat Hug? This is something that kind
of bug me the whole time we made this show,
but later on hindsight being nowadays, it's I I wish,

(42:16):
I'm so happy that this happened. But Brendan Fraser brings
a camera into the episode and it's a polaroid camera,
old school PARI, old school polaroid camera. And I'm not
sure if we were doing this before or if this
is where it started. But because of this moment right here,
it's like I have polaroids from you know what I mean? Okay,

(42:41):
let's let's let's get into it, because I I was wondering,
we have all of these memories on celluloid because because
of someone bringing a camera, and then it became is
this where it began? Yeah? So here's the thing. Kristin
Miller and I are both photographers as our hobby, and
we both are camera geeks. We love new cameras, we

(43:03):
love old cameras, will like send each other eBay listings
of cameras. She's a really a talented photographer and I
like to think I'm not too bad myself. Um. When
Brendan Fraser came in, this was his real hobby, shooting
with these old school polaroids. As you guys see in
the in the in the movie that the kind of
the kind of polaroid film not that just comes out automatically,
pull it out and then you've got it's like shake

(43:24):
it like a polaroid picture of these you actually did
have to wait for a minute for them to cook
and then you peel it off and they'd be a
beautiful a shot and this camera that he's shooting with
was actually Brendan's and he brought it in and of
course and he was taking pictures. All the pictures you
see at the end of the episode in that tin
that he has, we're all shot by him over the

(43:44):
course of his week hanging out with us. And then
Krista and I got, of course, got so into it.
We're like, oh my god, we gotta get one of those.
Where do we buy him? And then over the years,
Donald that you have a lot of Polaroid pictures, because
I have a bunch of these cameras now, and I'm
sure I'm sure Chris is giving you some too, because
she does too, but the bulk of the ones you have,

(44:05):
I'm sure. I got super into it, and I was
going on eBay and buying all these old cameras. That's
why that's that's all started with this, Okay, So all right,
that's what I was. That's what I was running because
it got ridiculous to at some point. At some point,
it was like a battle between everybody who took pictures
on the fucking show to bring in their new toy,
you know what I mean, whether it was a Lika

(44:26):
or a cannon or a fucking or a point This
is the this is the Rolls Royce of point and
shoot or criminal? How do you think I feel when
you're talking about your new animation gadget? But listen, I
don't know what do you sit. I don't go to you, dude, Man,
I just fucking gott a c stand. Man, I'm really excited.

(44:46):
I don't hit you up and do that ship. No,
but on your Instagram you post it like I'm doing
on this is on the Ones and I just got
this new gadget called L two. You think I give
a funk how your animating? Just show me to show
me to finished product now. But he's right. In addition

(45:08):
to Kristen I, there's also a huge camera department and
and uh and with all sort you know, everyone in
the camera department loves cameras. So yeah, there was a
lot of camera talk on this. I'm sorry we annoyed
that it wasn't annoying. I look back at it now
and I'm so grateful for it because I have all
of these memories captured. Yes, now I want to know
why j D, who's we've established as a very good doctor.

(45:29):
I'll be young is passing out at a nail in
someone's hand. I mean, hasn't he seen faring? That ship
is gross? Non, no matter how you look at it,
manly how you for some reason, he's he's fucking cleaned
out people's rectums. Yeah, but when the ship is still
in you, that's scary, man, because it has to come out.
And when it comes look you see in the movies,

(45:49):
all right, you ready, one, two, three, and then they
pull it in the person. It's like that was the
first thing I thought about, like they gotta take that
ship out. It didn't cross your It didn't cross your mind.
As I understand. Being a fake doctor, you don't want
to pull it out before you get to the e
R because then that's what the that thing is stopping

(46:10):
the blood from coming out. In some cases, yes, in
some cases, don't take this this medical. Please google, Please
google the right thing to do it. Because in some
movies when dude gets shot with the bow and arrow
or something like that, or or or or get stabbed
with a knife and they got to make the escape there,
you know, it's the icon, it's the close eye contact

(46:31):
and everything, but they're looking face to face and they're
like all right, you ready. I'm ready on three, one two,
you set on three. That's true. Well, anyway, I thought
it was surprising that there's the episode begins with j

(46:52):
D passing out at a nail in someone's hand. He
literally faints. He literally faints like a like a person
in old movies faints right like be still, yeah, like
like like like like yeah, back of hands. Now, this
is a real thing in hospitals, you know, mix ups are.

(47:12):
I mean, they've they've taken all these steps in the
intervening years between this show in to make sure that
funk ups are very, very very rare. I just started
watching this show on Netflix's a documentary show if you're
into real doctor situations called lenox Hill, where they're following
around real doctors, and I just noticed that they're going

(47:33):
to do brain surgery on someone. And there's those whole
process where they're like they're like, we'll be doing this
on the right side of the brain. Does anyone here right,
raise your hand if you heard right? And there's this
whole system in place now where the nurses are like
I heard right, I heard right, I heard right, and
they're like sign he signs his name on the woman's
skull before the surgery. Like, my point is, everyone in
the in the medical communityho listens to the show is

(47:54):
laughing at me because I'm explaining it so horribly. But
it made me think of that because there's so many
systems in place now to make sure fun ups happen
less because it is a thing in hospitals. But it's
also really funny how they figure out the mess up.
What's happening? You know what I mean? Wait a second,
I imagine that this guy is Jewish, Yeah, of course
he is. Then why isn't his penis circumcised? And then

(48:16):
Todd runs in, Hey, Dr Wynne wants to know if
there's some sort of mix up because our appendix surgery
doesn't have an appendix. And then he walks into the
room and he's like, can you believe what the whoa?
It's going on here? That should let me laugh so hard?
I laughed so hard that, but I didn't understand something.

(48:38):
I mean, I laughed so hard that. But isn't it
just an uncircumcised penis? Why is Todd? He's not freaked
out by it? But what it is is it's it's
you know, the person's covered in a complete uh chet right,
and it's covering their whole body and the only thing
sticking out and there's a big light shining on it.
Obviously is this dude and his balls? And yeah, but

(49:04):
why don't we Donald? If you, if you fans are listening,
go back. You can see when when Rob comes in
and says, whoa, what is going on here? You can
see Donald under his mask start to laugh and like, Donald,
I can see you biting your fucking cheek. That ship
was hilarious. He's fucking dude, man. I forgot how I

(49:26):
say this over and over again, Robert Machio, Holy shit,
I forgot how funny he is. Man. And we used
to we used to fucking funk with him all the
time and let's go run line and everything. But he
fucking crushes it every time. Every time, dude, that's the
funniest line on the show. WHOA what is going on here?

(49:48):
Going on here? Even in my brain, I was thinking, like, well,
why is he so surprised to see Petis? But Donald? Oh? Man?
Then I looked at Donald and I know that look
better than anyone that you're lucky at that he's like
he's like his face Nicole Sullivan's back, Christine Miller's back

(50:12):
on this episode, Christ's back then Nicole Sullivan story. You know, uh,
you can speak on this also. This was one of
those things where you throw her in there just so
you can, just so the audience remembers, Okay, there's this character,
and we have plans for her later on and to

(50:33):
make this connection, to make to make what happens to her,
to make you feel it more. We're gonna introduce her
on some silly ship just so you're comfortable, like, oh,
this is just somebody who comes into the space, into
the universe for Elliott to make funny jokes with and
you kind of don't realize. Okay, at the end of
this something's bad's gonna happen, even though we're laying out

(50:53):
the crumbs, you know what I mean, some something's you know. Yeah,
she talks about that in his book actually with with
the Brendan ark of it all about how Bill wasn't
was was totally not afraid to play the long game
with these people, right Chay, Like like they laid the
foundation from Brennan and then that episode is not until
two years later, you know. So that's the like the
one question I wanted to make sure I asked when

(51:15):
I came on here, was when you all are doing
that stuff with with with the Coal Sullivan character, with
or with the Rennen Fraser character. Do you know ahead
of time, like okay and and fucking three years is
when we're gonna get rid of you? Just sort of
we should throw it to Bill, Let's throw that. Yeah, well,
well let's let's throw the Brendan one to Build, because
that's I was thinking about doing that as well, Bill,

(51:37):
when you had Brandon on in season one for these
two awesome episodes, we have Chase Serrano here, and of
course Building knows who you are, Shake because he I
see him hitting you up on Twitter as well. Bill,
was was it your intention that you would kind of
play the long game and then bring Brendan back in
in season three for the episode Everybody Loves at the Funeral?

(51:59):
Was that on your it are this far out? And
and because we're because you know, we're talking about also
in the Cole Sullivan character, and how one of the
things you did really well and Scrubs was not be
afraid to play the long game with these characters. But first, well, Bill,
please don't don't don't please don't. Hey, guys, I guess
we'll just continue this relationship in which you only reach

(52:20):
out to me when you need me. Uh. And I'm
supposed to feel good about that. Um, now I do
feel good. Look. Brendan Um is an old family friend,
good friend of Christa's. And when we brought him on,
initially we thought, wow, that was back when we kind
of bring guest stars on and get to know him
and kill him. But we thought it was kind of

(52:42):
a good enough thing to give him, uh leukemia and um,
you know kind of see Dr Cox rise to the
occasion and deal with it. The first episode is based
on a short story called Occurrence atile Creek Bridge by
Ambrose Beer, So if anybody wanted to look that up.
Second episode, it's just cool excuse to use the worthless peons,
Ted's band and and all you guys. And Brennan was

(53:05):
so good when he agreed to come back. Uh, it
was perfect because we were able to do you know
that um sixth cents homage. So we always knew we
wanted to kill him, but we hadn't planned. Uh, we
had hoped, but hadn't planned for him to come back.
And when that happened. It's one of our favorite episodes ever. Alright,
we were we have a fan that we're gonna take

(53:27):
a new commercial and then we come back. Do we
ever go to a fan and then go to commercial
after the fan? How come we always got to go
to commercial before the fan? Is this like it? Because
and it's a second it's a segment thing. I got it.
It's a segment thing. Yeah, I mean there's when Joel
we first started making the show. Joel had a very
organized list of the way the show would go, and

(53:48):
since all we do is ramble all over the place,
we just occasionally asked her if we should commerc It's
always like we it's always a tease though for the
it's always a tease for the people listening to the podcast.
Oh we've got a listener here, let's you know what,
we should probably go to commercial. But I think that
I think that you know, on on real TV shows
and radio shows, you want to you want the audience

(54:09):
to stay on the line, right on on the fishing line.
You want when we come back, we're gonna have an
exciting caller. But we don't do it that way. We
never do it that way. We always tay it that way.
Let's try and sell it this way. You want to
try and sell it, like, pretend that they might change
the channel or switch to the No no no no, no, no,
no no no. Don't you touch that doubt. When we
come back. We'll have that call do we're back in

(54:30):
two and two. Oh hi, guys, what's up? Guy? Gentlemen?
It's Dylan and who else is Camdal? And Cam? There's
your official Opra voice. Guys. That's the prize you get

(54:52):
for making it on the show. You get an Oprah
voice intro and Cam, where are you guys at? It
looks like you're like in a bunker underground down with yea,
we have a little bar area in our basement. We're
kind of hunkered down that here, but we're in a
lacrosse with Okay, Wisconsin in the house. Nice. We'll welcome
guys to the show. We um. We We have Shay

(55:14):
Serrano joining us, who's written an awesome book on Scrubs
and incredible best selling author, and he probably knows more
about Scrubs than Donald and I. But definitely you can
well that's because Donald smokes a lot of weed. But
you can ask us any question or maybe you're off?
Are you off this hour? Down? Do you mean did
I smoke today? No, because there was a couple of
podcasts ago you said you were taking a break from Weed,

(55:36):
and I wonder if that's stuck. No, that didn't didn't
taken that night. That night I went back to the well. Uh.
He always tries to brag. Sha. He's like, yeah, I'm
off Weed. I'm like for how long? He's like an hour?
How it starts, That's how it starts, one at a time,
one step at a time. All right, Dylan and Cam,

(55:58):
what's up? What's your question? Guys? Welcome? Yeah, good to
be here. Man. Really big fans and really huge fan
of Shade too. Oh nice? Yeah, yeah, yeah you guys.
Do you guys printed it out for you for you listeners?
They held up She's book on the office. Uh, and

(56:19):
they had printed it out and binded it. So these
guys are real Shade fans. I love, Yeah, I love
probably my favorite author. Yeah, thank you? Oh wow nice? Sha? Alright,
a question for I guess it's probably gonna be for Sha.
But Donald and I are here too, Um, so I
guess i'f you guys want to hop in with this too,

(56:39):
but for Shay Um. So you've written obviously conference rough
five minutes, for the Office, You've written where do you
think we are? For Scrubs? Um? Is there another show
that you've been thinking about her? Is there maybe one
that maybe Donald or back would really like to kind
of see from you as well? Oh? That's I like,
I like my part, But you go for a show.
There hasn't been one that I thought of yet. Usually

(57:01):
whenever I'm working on one of these, people will like
start tweeting me, Oh, do the wire do arrested Development?
Do you Sons of Anarchy or Madman or whatever? But
but mostly these things just sort of happen organically. Like
I've been I've been watching Scrubs for so long. I've
seen it so many times that it was like, well,
you know, let me let me do something with all

(57:21):
of the times I've watched it. And then it becomes like, Oh,
I was actually just working hard all of that time
instead of just sitting around watching TV. You know what
I'm saying. Yeah, that's a nice way to spin it,
Like you're like, I wasn't wasting those hours I was
writing the book. Yeah exactly. I mean it's like a
hundred and eighties something episodes of the show you watch
the point ninety hours of TV that you've seen four

(57:42):
or five times all the way through. Um. But yeah,
usually just if a show will grab ahold of me,
then I don't then I'll write about it. But I haven't.
I don't have any plans right now to do to
do another one? All right, I haven't. Which one do
you want? Which one do you want him to do?
I was just well, the whole time he was talking,
I was half listening and half thinking. I think, I think.
I don't know if you watch the show, Shay Donald,

(58:02):
I don't think watches it. But I really loved Atlanta. Oh,
Atlanta is great, and I think it's right for analysis
because it's got so many trippy storylines and so much
social commentary, and I just I just think it's incredibly done. Yeah,
that's a really that's a really good but they're not
done yet. It does the Wire. A lot of people

(58:24):
say the Wire is. I have to admit I only
watched season one, so please don't yell at me. But um,
A lot of people think that's the greatest TV show
of all time? Is that? Is that on the top
of your list. Yeah, that's absolutely on there, The Wire,
Breaking Bad. So, like you know, all of the all
of the main ones. I've never seen any of these shows.
You haven't. No, you've never seen You've never seen Breaking Bad.

(58:45):
We only watch we only watch the finales, the only
episode you ever saw. So here's my thing. Here's my thing.
I have a hard time investing in shows because what
happens is either they get canceled or they disappoint you
in the end. Right, that's my that's my issue with things.
I hate when you know something there's a cliffhanger at
the end of the season, and then the show gets

(59:07):
canceled and you don't get to finish, you know, and
then really there's a series. What's a series that you
watched like that? You just loved all of it? The
Clone Wars, it's got to be Star Wars. It's only
Star Wars that that that well yeah, I I you know,
uh that was anything non Star Wars. No. No, Like,

(59:33):
you know, Bill Lawrence used to say it all the time,
and it's so true. You you tell people when you
when people meet you and they say, I'm such a
huge fan of your show. Not out of the ten times.
They've only seen it like a handful of times, you
know what I mean, and haven't seen it more than that. Um,
And so I fall in that category. If I were

(59:55):
to see Brian and Aaron, I would be like, I'm
such a huge I was such a huge fan of
Breaking Bad. I only saw the final episode. Would that
I already told them it's all over the air now
that somebody's gonna come back to say that now, but
you know what I mean, Like like I watched every
now and then I'll check out a c W show, right,

(01:00:17):
Like I love superhero movies, right, so I'll check out
The Flash, or I'll check out Legends of Tomorrow, or
I'll check out you know, uh arrow uh. And I've
only seen like, you know, out of all of them,
I've seen maybe you know, thirty of them total, like

(01:00:38):
of all of the show's total. But when I see
the actors and stuff in it, I genuinely do love
what I have seen. So I'll be like, I'm such
a fan of your show even though I've only seen
each show. So the message is that Donald is holy
bullshitting you. I'm telling the honest truth. I like Supergirl.

(01:00:59):
I have seen that your time, you like it? What
about small about Small Bill? I only saw that show
a couple of times also, and I like, you know
because Angel which one was dark angel As one as
Jessica Alba. I didn't watch that one. I didn't watch.
I never you also used didn't you used to watch?
There was a sci fi show you Battlestar Galactica. I

(01:01:21):
take it back if you do Battlestar, Yeah, you should
do Battlestar Galactic. Yeah, there we go. Thank you, Zach,
thank you. I remember, I remember I gott. I was
searching my brain for you. I was like, I know
there was one sci fi show you actually watched. There
wasn't a Star Wars animated cartoon. Yeah, I remember. I
got into an argument with my girlfriend at the time

(01:01:44):
because I thought she uh taped over my Battlestar Galactica episode.
I remember, um, did you watch that one? Shaw? I
did not watch Battlestar? Did you guys, Dylan Cam did
you watch I Will Start? Yeah? Yeah? Do you lie
like it? Yeah? I'm super big and like sci fi

(01:02:07):
by that one, I was pretty I think as far
as like sci fi shows that people have liked, that's
one of those ones everyone says was canceled too soon,
and people k she's a g if you ask me,
you know what I mean. Like, she's one of those
action heroes that is a good Like she's straight up
as a true action star who deserves the opportunity to

(01:02:29):
carry some project. They say she's going to be in
The Mandalorian this upcoming season as uh Bokatan, which would
be really fucking dope. My grandmother used to live in right. Well,
these characters, these these characters all travel from Does it
take place at an old Jewish community center and can
eat and as Jo? Well, do you want Battle Star

(01:02:54):
Galactica because you like the sci fi stuff? Yeah? I
came very very late to Battle Star Galacticus. I'm currently
in the middle of season one but really loving it.
It's amazing, It's excellent, good writing. If you're a Star
Trek and or Star Wars, Fanniel probably finds something like
in Battlestar Galactica. All right, um, so guys, um to
finish that question off, do you have a show that

(01:03:16):
that like you would love Shay to one day do
a book about each We're gonna ask both of you each. Yeah, okay,
I would love Breaking Bad personally, breaking that would be
really sick. I think it's a really really good show. Um, yeah,
that would probably be my top twoice. Maybe parts in
the rack would kind of be a more fun one.

(01:03:37):
I'm more lighthearted, but I would probably say breaking that
would be a really cool one. All right, how about you? Um,
I've always been a Jewish fan of the show Dexter.
I would love to see you do that in my
opening and born in the best show, uh start and
then kind of dropped operating to finish where I think
Breaking bad better than serious, where I think that's best

(01:03:57):
Sexter is better. Yeah, I think I think that's that's
the kind of fell in line with Donald's of kind
of a slight disaployment at the very end. But yeah,
I was gonna say that's one. That's another show where
I only watched the last episode and I was like, what,
don that's bullshit, Harry met Sally. That's a totally different example.

(01:04:21):
Do you remember when Billy Crystal when she's asking when
when she when he tells her how how dark he is,
and he's like, I read the end of the book
before I started. That's me with movies, that's me with television.
Shows that everybody's But that's me with television shows that
everybody's like, you should watch this, you know what show
you would like, you would like this show, but you missed,

(01:04:43):
you missed like the whole build up of everything, like
you can't. Okay, we're talking about Nicole Sullivan character. Yes,
in the in the season eight finale, when jad is
doing the walk down the hallway and she pops up
out of the out of the thing and she's like,
there you are, and you get so fucking excited, Like
there's like a real jolt of joy in your body

(01:05:05):
when you see that. If you haven't watched all the
other episodes, you don't understand what that. You think this
is just a person who happens together. How do you
can't just watch? So? Then that is the final episode
of Scrubs. A good episode. It's a great because fantastic
because the Breaking Bad for the Breaking Bad finale, it's
a fucking movie. All I needed to know was that

(01:05:26):
this dude, Walter White, was this why because you you
you will get so I mean, let's just take Breaking
Bad because I feel like it's a show that everyone
listening to this problem that last that last, right, But
that last episode is a movie. It's a fucking movie.
It's a movie, like like, it's just like the hour

(01:05:50):
with Edward Norton where he finally where he's a board.
I forget the name of the damn movie, but forget
how many hours there's a lot of But he fucking uh,
he's a drug dealer who goes to jail. You don't
need to know everything that goes on before the movie.
With the movie starts, you're invested the minute he gets
caught out there after you know what I mean, And

(01:06:12):
it's going to jail and it's the end of the story.
It's but but you can watch that movie and understand
all of the parts by the time you get to
the end. If you only watch the finale of Breaking
Bad like you kind of you don't understand why it's
so important that he saves Jesse in that moment, you're like,
I don't get it. Why did he save this one
kid and kill everybody else. I don't understand why he
had to walk through the meth lab the last time.

(01:06:32):
I don't understand why they play this particular song like you,
you're missing so much of this thing that you gotta
watch the rest of you gotta watch it all right, Wait,
let's let's ask the guys if they have another question.
Go ahead, guys, you have another one. Um. So you
guys have mentioned earlier in the podcast series that you
guys just to be roommates, right, Yes, we were roommates
for a year, I mean for our half of the summer,

(01:06:53):
for summer, summer, for a summer. So maybe I'm kind
of staring the pot a little bit here, But what
we've got from your biggest pet peeves living with the Jether.
So I got to the loft first. We rented this
law for the summer, and the loft it was enormous.
It was like your dream loft in terms of size,
but it didn't wasn't really that set up in terms
of like two nice bedrooms, two nice bathrooms. So I

(01:07:13):
claimed the nice bedroom because you know I got there first, right,
that's what you do. Then I gave Donald what was
technically the second bedroom, but it had a wash room
and drying room, and he goes, who do you think
I am? Benson? And for you guys are young, you
don't know, but Benson was a show where how Benson

(01:07:36):
Benson was a show. Robert and played Benson, and he was.
He worked for the mayor. He was an assistant to
the mayor. He was saying like pretty much like who
do you think I worked? And Benson was the one
that pretty much ran the country while because the mayor
was this you know, uh bumbling. Uh, well he wasn't
a bumbling mayor, but he was. Benson was the one
that handled everything right. He handled the house, he handled everything. Uh.

(01:07:59):
And for some reason, uh, to me, that ship was
kind of fucked up that you can there like Benson
should be the mayor. Benson should have been the mayor,
and the mayor should not have been the mayor. But
that's not why I was piste up. I was piste
up because I was like, yeah, you're gonna put me
in the room with the washer and drying of all

(01:08:22):
the look, it was either that or like a law.
It was like there was a cot right outside of
his room and I was not taking the cot. I'll
take the fucking cot. And then I didn't really have
a door. So we we we were very open with
each other that summer. We were very very open with
touched tips. No no, no, we didn't. We did, and
we never ducks that was the mis dream. This is

(01:08:46):
all gonna get this is all boy. No, we're not
cutting this out. Listen. This is what always happens on
the show. We say something like that and then Dolly goes,
we're cutting this out, and then we almost never cut
it out. We used to play ping pong in our
in our box and our underwear do. We had a
lot of great times. I remember the writer Amy Tan.
Is that a famous writer, Joel Okay as I understand it.

(01:09:09):
The writer Amy Tan lived beneath us, and she was
not happy that two guys partying all summer were in
the loft above her. And we would get notes like,
we would get notes like Amy Tan is furious, you
guys need a fucking quiet down. She was like, she
would write notes like do you guys have fucking elephants upstairs?

(01:09:30):
Because the banging? I can only imagine. She would write
some pretty unique notes though she was She was a
good writer. She they were beautifully written. She wrote the
joy Luck Club Holy Ship. We were working with the
lady who wrote the joy Luck were funny, whether we
were just having fun, and I remember her very well
worded angry letters. I wish you still had them. Yeah,
she pulled out the thesaurus for some of those. I

(01:09:55):
know we could probably sell them on eBay. Those are
worth something. Amy Tan's angry letter Donald, all right, we
gotta keep going. Thank you guys for coming on, Donald,
Thank you, Hey, thank you guys. What is that on
your shirts? The Summer League? Yeah, Vegas summer LEA probably

(01:10:18):
knows about Summer League. Yeah, and the Yeah basketball, you
probably don't know too much about Donald, does Donald? Are you?
But we're big Bucks then Bucks fans and okay, right on,
how long do you think you can hold to compo
there for him? He's resigning? Yeah, yeah, you believe he's

(01:10:40):
not coming to stand in your show. I mean, look,
here's the thing. Do they come out of the work.
I mean, there is no East this year or West
for the for this bubble round that they're talking about
at Disney, right, it's just a bunch of teams thrown
into a pot that I think. I think they are
still doing the East West. It's something weird. It's kind
of weird how they have set up it. It would

(01:11:01):
be nice if they just threw teams into a pot
so you could get, you know, first rounds with like
Houston Verse Milwaukee or Houston verse, you know, Washington. That'd
be really cool. But what's his name again? I want
to try and use it to Kumpo Compo. Yes, well,

(01:11:28):
I gotta tell you he's a really great player. And
what I like about him is he's always in the paint.
That's actually true. That's actually and he reminds me of
Rodman because he's always getting those rebounds. Wow, not bad,
not bad, not bad, not basketball. Kind of a quick

(01:11:49):
little shared story. We uh um. I think back to
the episode where I don't think it was the standards.
It's like a flashback to where you guys got to
go see Michael Jordan's Yeah, and when we're in high school.
I want to take it to Bucks Lakers game and

(01:12:10):
shout rest in peace Kobe Bryant. But we got to
go see Kobe Bryant play and we rolled up. Don't
see Kobe Bryant. And I take it. Take it unlike
unlike Jade and Turk. You guys remember the tickets. I
take it right? Is it? That? Is that like in Scrubs?

(01:12:34):
Lord Donald? Is that how you began to lose your hair?
You first started pulling it out? And I don't know
how I began to I don't know how Turk started
to lose his hair, but that was the first moment,
the first that's one of the first moments. All right, guys,
thank you so much for coming out and really appreciate it.
Appreciate Hey, did you ever in Wisconsin come play tennis
with the zaf for tennis coaches too? Oh? Really? Right on?

(01:12:56):
I love it. I love it. I'll find you guys.
All right, thank you guys. Dream you know. I appreciate
that they knew how to tap into the one sport
that I could talk about, and there they were. They
were very good guests. I like that Massi is back,
which is great. He went on to become a time

(01:13:16):
traveling hero. That was another show I watched, Sha Heroes.
I watched that all the way through Ye by the way,
a couple of goose I had goose bumps multiple times
in this episode. The first was nine six when they're
playing pool in the bar and Ben's hand is still
bleeding and the look Cox gives to j D. It
really moved me because for inspitement, because I was reading

(01:13:39):
your essays and now was all emotional, Shay, but I
went my first reaction was Cox can't hide the fact
that he respects j D is a doctor to know
that he'll know what that could mean immediately, do you
know what I mean? It was like, you know, Cox
is always frounning, like oh your girl's name and j
D you sucking but obviously under undercurrent trying to build
him up. But that was a moment of shock where

(01:14:01):
he looked to it as a peer, as a peer
and when you know what that could mean. Yeah, that's
like so you see you see him do it in
the in the pilot, it was like the first time
he expresses some sort of like not admiration, but like
you know, I'm gonna grab ahold of you and take it,
take care of you. And then this time was the
first time when he he didn't say anything. There's no

(01:14:22):
words at all. He just looks and he knows, and
j D knows, and the only person who doesn't know
in that moment has Ben. He's like, oh it's about
I was really gone by the respect that he should.
I mean, obviously in his mind wasn't I'm going to
now respect this person. It was just it didn't he
didn't have a moment to put on his airs if
you will. He didn't have a moment to put on

(01:14:43):
his front. He just had an instant reaction to a
fellow doctor and when oh, fuck, you know what this
could mean. It's totally it's it's totally different than when
you see him at the very beginning of the next
episode when he walks into the room and j D
and and Jordan's and Ben are in there, and j
D is doing the thing about like we you know
you do. You don't need a we don't need a resident.

(01:15:03):
We need like a hero. And then he comes walking
in and now now he's prepared for the situation and
doing the whole thing. But yeah, you're exactly right in
that moment, and then um and the second time. First
of all, I just want to say a ten o five.
There was a really cool transition moment that Larry Trilling
did from I love how they went from the bar
right to the exam room. That was cool. Before we before,

(01:15:24):
before we move forward with that, you know, he says,
I've never asked you out for a beer before, but
he had asked you out for a beer before. And
that was when he lost his ship and tore up
the UH lab that day. UH and he was having
his worst day and you got caught up in it.
He does invite you out for a beer. You guys

(01:15:45):
go to a bar and you drink beer and you
drink together. Actually, so that was very weird that he
was like, you know, I've never asked you out. Maybe
he'd blocked it out. Whatever. I'm just you know, you're
just trying to show off that you're like scrubs wicky guy.
I'm to a lot of laughter on on my Insta
comments about scrubs wicky Guy. They were like someone was

(01:16:06):
like that guy pulled a total Dorian uh um and
that people were just laughing about how but no, friends, Trevor,
we we we we got you. Now you're gonna be
our scrubs wicky guy, right, Donald. I mean, he doesn't
necessarily want him, but I kind of like that about
his character. But I kind of like that about his
character in the show. He's like a reluctant. He like

(01:16:29):
a reluctant. He's reluctant. So, yeah, that's what you think
of it as like the hero's journey. In the beginning,
you don't really want to do it. Once you get
on board, you're off to a adventure. That adventure of
a lifetime. Yeah, Trevor, by the time we do a
hundred and eighty two episodes, you'll be happy that you
came along on the journey. And the other moment, at

(01:16:50):
the other moment, we got go goose bumps. As I
said earlier, Um, that's that that Shade writes about it
in his essay. Uh was when j d read the
chart and sees that Ben has leukemia and Carla comes
up and she says, are you okay? And I just
say no, And it was just really really powerful because
it was one of those moments that she's talking about

(01:17:12):
where there's just been a silly moment of the fantasy
of what happens in that in that blood test guy's office,
and and and and and Doug being you know Doug,
and then all of a sudden, bam, we just dropped
in with, Hey, this guy we just made you fall
in love with he's got leukemia. She's so good and
like every single moment, like she has this this like

(01:17:33):
like her player efficiency rating has got to be fucking outrageous,
which is like you know what I'm saying, Yeah, she's
if you were playing, if you were playing uh NBA
two k she's like ninety six, just straight up like
she's a glitch mode man, Judy. At that time, I

(01:17:55):
think that she is incredible actress and in the show
she was the perfect tool to use for moments like
this because she was the heart, you know, she was
the heart of She was the conscience and the heart
for everybody, at least the first two seasons. I think
as the show went on, she you know, she became
as much of a uh character as we you know,
as all of us did. But in the first two seasons,

(01:18:16):
she was definitely the grounding factor to all of you
know what I mean, to everything. So then we go
into this fantasy that we don't know as a fantasy
delivery into the show. Um, and all of this happens
in Jad's imagination, which which again we talked about it
early in this podcast, but you know that totally foreshadows
the giant mislead we do in season three with with

(01:18:40):
Johnny not knowing that that that Ben's gone. Um. So
it's just really interesting that that Bill not only introduced
Ben for for the long haul, but then mirrored that
sort of wacky fantasy structure. Well, so, when when when
you reached out and asked which episode I wanted to
be like if I could, if I wanted to be

(01:19:01):
on a thing that That was the whole reason that
I ended up picking this one, because I think this
episode in season one especially is like the one episode
where we see the most amount of tricks that Scrubs
is able to pull off that maybe a lot of
shows aren't. So so if we have if we like
put a list together, you have that great scene where
where Elliott makes yourself cry to get the to to

(01:19:25):
redo the thing right. So this is like her being
very silly in this situation. But to do that as
an actor, I imagine, is incredibly tricky, just like pull
that out of you. So you have her doing that.
You have Carlo with j D in the hallway and
Carla is doing her quick missile strike right here where
she's just like gonna pump a scene full of emotion.
You have the thing where they're playing with timelines, which

(01:19:47):
they used to even greater effect later on. You have
the gag with we we we find out that the
janitor is in like the background of all of these pictures.
There's so much we have. We have Dr Cox using
his serious voice, he didn't do it very often, but
when he does it, you feel it. When he gives
he tells j D like your only job today as

(01:20:08):
he gets these test results back, like you love to
see him drop everything to do that. You have to
sticking up for j D. You have Brendan Fraser swooping
in and being just like the perfect cameo character where
you you have to be able to tell a joke,
but you also have to be able to stick this landing. Yeah,
they're just so much stuff going on. This one episode
is perfect. By the way, Shaw, you just made me
think of something else, which was Sarah's a bit which

(01:20:32):
she really did live on camera obviously, which which actors
often have to do and can always do, but Sarah
does literally live on camera. Here is get themselves in
a headspace where they can produce tears, and that moment
um really encapsulates exactly what you're talking about in it
Scrubs being able to dance between comedy and drama, because

(01:20:52):
what Sarah's doing is very funny, but if you look
at the words she's saying to get herself to cry,
it's very seriously, it's the painful stuff from her life
and trying to impress her father and whatever whatever she
was saying. But it was like happening simultaneously, is this
thing you're laughing at, But what the woman is saying
is is so sash, you know what I mean? And

(01:21:14):
then it ends with her with tears streaming down her face.
It was a really great acting woman for Sarah. She's amazing.
Um what about Chop Chop Nancy Rappio, I remember that, dude.
I remember that day. I remember. I think that's one
of the first times where I was having a hard
time with lines. I remember Chop Chop Nancy. No. I

(01:21:36):
had the whole thing where I was like, just gonna
go back there and you're gonna do this and blah
blah blah. I think that was one of the first
times where I was like, I didn't study this. Oh shit. Uh.
Leonard makes an appearance here without a hook arm, though
without a hook on his hand. So what is the story.
I read on scrubs Wicky that the guy wrote perhaps

(01:21:58):
this episode is before his ice machine accident. I think
it is. I didn't. I didn't remember that that Leonard
had lost his arm in an ice machine accident. Did
you either? But I love that I love that on
Scrubs Wiki. It's like this may have occurred before, but

(01:22:19):
I have to because he had a hand. So for
those of you don't remember, that's Randall Winston, our line
producer who not only played Death but also played Leonard.
This is his first appearance in his wig um and
the throw wasn't that big yet either. It's like he
was he was keeping his throw tighter right, but he

(01:22:39):
does he does not yet have a hook. Cand This
might be I believe the only appearance of Leonard without
his hook can so the ice Machine. But then again, sorry,
I'm going all over the place. But this was a fantasy,
So maybe in Jad's weird daydream, Leonard didn't have He
didn't recognize Leonard had a hook yet. He had been
paying enough attention. I hadn't noticed Leonard had a hook yet,

(01:23:01):
so when I had a fantasy, that seems like something
you would notice. Though, I just want to I've probably
noticed that. Um. So it took me a moment because
I've forgotten. Well, I wanted to just mention in eighteen
six again, Brendan took all those pictures and they're pretty
great pictures. I believe Christy still save the bunch of them,

(01:23:23):
um and um, and then j D. Yeah. So then
I was kind of surprised by that reveal. You know again,
I've watched these in twenty years. I thought it was
cool to see this, you know, And and Bill was
smart directorially and writing wise. You needed something very specific
to make the audience go, this is the exact same moment.

(01:23:43):
You need a device because the audience is gonna especially
track it. Keep in mind when people watching these, they
had commercial breaks in and everything, so that you need
the audience to make sure they tracked that whole run.
And he came up with the device of the exact
playing cards on their foreheads. Right. But here's the thing.
He also made it seem like it was a curveball.
That's you know, not only did it curve, but the

(01:24:03):
ship was a change up to you know what I mean,
Like because you don't think that the whole thing is
a day dream. You think, just when he gets the
the paper the second time and he meets uh uh
Brendan Fraser outside, you think that's all the fans, that's

(01:24:24):
just the fantasy. I'm gonna go out there and hey man,
it's just leukemia. It's not leukemia. You're you're fine, and
I was wrong. I was wrong, and you know, the
circle comes around and it's got this weird you think, okay,
so this parts the fantasy. And I expected you to
be at the door of the exit telling him, no, dude,
here's what I think you need to you need to

(01:24:44):
come back inside. Actually, and it doesn't even do that.
It jumps all the way back to the moment, and
so it was like it was like a not It
wasn't just one pump fake. It was like he was
under the rim giving you the dream shake, you know
what I mean? Like and then you know what I mean.
You know, it's funny about that fantasy. You know, it's

(01:25:05):
the writing is such that it's supposed to be. Oh,
Ben says he doesn't like post pictures. You'll know it's
a fantasy because here we are taking a post picture.
But what tipped it off even more from me was
that Kelso is happily getting in a picture with everyone
was like, would never want to do with these? Yeah,
I think that's it, guys. I think we did the
whole We did the whole episode. Yeah we did. Jay,

(01:25:28):
did you have fun? Are you glad you did this?
I'm really glad. This is like, you know, part of
me is like, these are two guys who I have
been watching for so long. I'm kind of nervous to
me and I don't really like to meet the people
who I admire because what if it turns out there
dicks me? So I had that in my head. But no,
you're cool. I hope you're You're better than I was.

(01:25:49):
You come back on? Will you come back on? Yeah,
I'll come back on later on after you'll do all
of the other stuff for sure, because I I have
a feeling what's going to happen on all of our
social media is every one's gonna say she was the best.
Guess you need to have Shay back all the time.
Carol Melbart definitely hash check whatever happened. We don't know.

(01:26:16):
He freaking we went into the party and he got
he got jumped to something like that. He definitely died
on the show. In real life, he's still working, but
on this show. You know, he has a twin brother, right, yeah,
And I remember one night we were out and his
twin brother. Everybody thought his twin brother was him, and
they were coming up to him going pedro pedro and

(01:26:38):
as I recalled the twin rolling with loving it and
he was like, don't tell anybody. I was like, I'm
not gonna say ship, dude, I thought that I thought
you were the other one. Oh. I had people telling
me that. I'm always say that's funny, like Manny Moore's
character does on the and then I need to stop

(01:27:01):
saying that. Donald. I had someone write that to me.
You guys did date. Maybe that rubbed off on you.
Well I don't know if that's the case, but alright, guys,
I want to that out. I want to know you
can leave it. Uh listen. Shays handle on Twitter at
Shay Serrano s h e A s E r r

(01:27:24):
A and O follow him on there. He is one
of the most popular fellows on Twitter. He does a
lot of amazing Just talk for a second, shape before
we go about this cool thing you do with the
fo h army telling people what that is. She will
have like drives for people that need help. He'll be like,
all right, who's whose bills are we paying this week?
And then he'll like, just ven move them cash. So

(01:27:47):
just talk about it for a second. Yeah, that's like
the silly, little sort of guerrilla philanthropy thing we started
a couple of years ago, or it was like after
we had enough people follow me on Twitter, or we
were all grouped up together. If we gotta get a
hundred two hundred three hundred thousand people following, we could
raise a lot of money real fast if everybody sends
like a dollar or two dollars or whatever. And so

(01:28:09):
you know, we started doing that and then yeah, when
the coronavirus stuff hit, when the Black Lives Matter movement
started up, um, after the George Floyd to murder, and
we're like, you know, we're gonna try to help out
in any situation we can. So like people will send
stuff to me and like all right, cool, we're gonna
fund this. We're gonna send some money out. So yeah,
I think like since March twelve, it's been you know,

(01:28:30):
two dollars of just like straight cash we've given to
places of people, and the people give you, I think,
just from following you to some people who can afford it,
give you like large sums and hey say hey, Shay,
distribute this. Every once in a while, somebody will hit
me up, like in my D M s W and
be like, hey, I don't want you to like say
where this came from, but like, here's five thousand dollars.

(01:28:51):
Can you pay bills for people? Until this has gone?
Like that happens every once in a while. Mostly though,
it's like we're all gonna chip in five bucks, ten
bucks and see what happens. That's really awesome that it's
really and he's so sweet about it. People will write
him things like, oh, thank you so much, say I'm
having trouble with my bills, and he's like, fuck that noise,
and he'll send them money. It's awesome, awesome, Um, all right, everybody,

(01:29:11):
that's the episode. I want to thank, we want to
thank on behalf of my co host And I say,
you're an awesome guest, right Donald, amazing guests. Well, dude,
this was this was you know, uh, always you never
know how your guests are gonna be. And you're somebody
who wasn't on the show. Uh, but you fit in

(01:29:35):
so well man, and your insight on our show. I'm
dead serious, man, your insight on our show is it's
very awesome. Man, Like I I appreciate and since and
since the old Caramel Bear died, I think you can
be and I just hope that. I just hope that
my persona on this podcast has made Laramie like me

(01:29:56):
a little bit more. Um, I know that it was
j I know it was j D. She didn't love
but maybe maybe she'll like Zach. She loves Garden State,
So you're good. Alright, question everybody, Yeah you should have
been in it. All right? Listen, everybody go to go
to um Donald phase Donald underscore aison. That's I'm trying

(01:30:21):
to get all the zac's followers. Y'all need to come
over to the dark side. All right, come over to Okay,
that's one way to put join join me, and together
we will build this institution and we will like weird memes.
Um listen, uh combined strength, we can in this conflict

(01:30:44):
and bring order to the galaxy. All right. That's his
audition monologue. Listen. Check out Chase book a Sacred Heart
Gang dot com. Please follow Donald on Instagram. I'm really
getting you know, just just hold on. Let's be clear.
Not just the people who are listening Zach Brafts followers
follow Donald follows are tired of being accostedt by you.

(01:31:09):
Um and uh right, Joel your questions at scrubs. I
heeart at gmail dot com and please um subscribe and
rate the podcast because I recently was told that that's
a real thing that's good for our our exposure. If
you give us five stars, I'm like the uber driver
who's like five stars five stars, So give us five stars,

(01:31:30):
right Donald, Yeah, please give us five stars? All right?
And friends, five stars are better. Tell your friends we
are hoping to one day when the world opens up,
tour this show and um, we'll come to you, will
you will you come when we come to Houston? Shay,
are you still in Houston. I'm in San Antonio now,
but if y'all make it to Texas, I'll show up.
Well wait, hold on, now, I heard something about Tim
Duncan and that being your favorite player of all times.

(01:31:54):
Why why Tim Duncan? Why before we go? Why this
doesn't even have to be on the podcast. I just
need to know this because Tim is one of my
favorite players too. He's not my favorite player. Why Tim Duncan? Okay,
let me tell you that there's a very personal connection
that Tim Duncan has with San Antonio and that he
showed up and all of a sudden a city that

(01:32:17):
had an inferiority complex. You know, we're not as as
hip as Austin, We're not as cool as as as
Houston or whatever. They beat us in the playoffs. Blah
blah blah. He shows up and all of a sudden,
we have the guy on our team that everybody is
afraid of, and he's going to war and he's not
backing down. You gotta fucking kill this guy in the
playoffs if you want to beat him. He shows up,

(01:32:38):
he delivers five championships for us. All of a sudden,
we have the we I think he's the fifth or
sixth greatest basketball player of all time. We have him
on our team. He he allows you in your chest
to feel like a winner, to feel like a Champian.
You know how it feels when the team that you
love wins a thing and you feel like you're a
part of it. It's like Jeter to New York Man.

(01:32:59):
That's a or Cole Wilkinson in the original caste. That's
what That's what Tim Duncan did. So I love him
forever for that. I I hear you, man. I feel
like he had a lot of really good uh if
it was the Justice League, he had a lot of
good supporting characters he's Superman. He definitely had a Batman
and it switched off between Genoble and Tony Parker. Uh,

(01:33:22):
those guys were those guys were great, but those were
not players you could take and put on other teams,
and they Enoble maybe Jenoble maybe maybe you know, maybe
Tony and his in his younger years. Anyway, not Tony,
not as much as Jenoble though, and when he shut
up Man and when he got there. He also had
the Admiral David Robinson. He did that big Day've only

(01:33:42):
got one? He got five? Yeah, yeah, no, Dave got
to none of them. None of them are as good
as Mike Jaminski. All right, we gotta go. We love you,
Thank you, Shay. I hope we could be real friends
in real life. I think you and Donald might hit
it off really well. I think so too. He's like
he's like he's like he was a dick when I
first met him. I got out of a little That's

(01:34:03):
what I got out of the thing. You're super super thing.
Now you're on your phone a lot. The one thing
about that say I got was like down sitting between
two fans and he's on his phone, like talk to
your fans Jack, Maybe this white peoplett to follow you
on Instagram five six, seven, eight Stories about sure we
made about a bunch of docs and nurses and janitor
who loved me. I said he's a Stories should so

(01:34:29):
get around you? Here are yet around? Here? Are you? No?
Mm hmm

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