203: My Case Study With Ken Jenkins

On this weeks episode, JD defies Dr. Cox's wishes and strives for success in a competition Dr. Kelso is running amongst the residence. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Kelso himself, Ken Jenkins.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, there he is there, he is I am well,
how are you well? You know, the world spins madly on.
It does spin madly on and at a furious pace too.
It just keeps going and uh and you just keep
moving forward and that's all you can do. Really, you

(00:22):
know what's passive? Kunamatata Lion King says it best. What's
in the past is the past. Let's talk about moving
forward into the future and making it so that the
past never All the negative things I should say in
the past never repeat themselves. The planet spins, and the
world spins madly on. Joel Dan, how are you guys?

(00:45):
You know, I realized that when I log on, we
usually just jump right into the show and I never
really get the opportunity to ask you guys, how are
you doing? How are you holding up? Well? It's good inside.
Sleep is a myth. There's no such thing as sleep anymore.
Uh in Samnia full full force. Rather than that, you know,

(01:09):
it's it's good. I I was able to leave the house.
I went to a drive in. Have you guys been
to the mission Hill Tiki? Drive in? No, No, listen.
If you need to get out and you want to
see a movie. That's the place to do it. Um.
They've got like all these old like burger joint stands
around there, so you can like pick up some food
through a drive through. Drive straight into the drive through.
It's a bunch of like billboards that are sectioned off.

(01:30):
And we saw a double feature of Jaws and Tremors.
Well Jaws, yes, Tremors. It was okay, It's okay. Jaws. However,
still to this day, even though the shark doesn't look
that real, it still works. Yeah, the whole opening the

(01:51):
beach early, like the beaches are safe right right everybody.
It's a very surreal rewatch in these Yeah, Dan, how
about you? How are you? I'm good. I'm well. I
had to take my take my girlfriend to the airport
this morning very early to help her brother get out
of or move out of college. But she's doing a
good thing. Um and uh yeah, so all good. Ready

(02:15):
for a question. What's that line from when Harry met Sally?
You know, I never take a girl to the airport
because then today expect things out of you, and then
later on you're one day, then later on later on
I never do air trop airport drops. I don't with
airport drops because then later on she says, you, how
came you never take me to the airport anymore? At home? Yeah,

(02:41):
I don't take two or pick up from airport as
a rule, My boy, Okay, I did it. I did
it quite a bit when Casey and I first started dating. Now,
I'm like, you know what, I'll get you a car service. Yeah,
it'll be so much. I'd rather get you a really
nice car service. Um, he'll probably have mints, right, and
we'll in a clean car. But but Laurence has a

(03:03):
hang up about it. She really finds it u rude.
So I'm gonna I have a feeling it's going to
be changing because she thinks that it's bullshit. I'm telling you,
once you stop doing it, she's gonna ask you, how
can we never take me to the airport anymore? No?
But see, Lax is so fucking far. I mean, I'm
sure a lot of listeners may live closer to their
airport than we do. It takes like over an hour

(03:25):
to get to Lax. It's a lot. It's a mission
every time, and then you have to deal with the
traffic of that long circle around Hell, you know what
you do, I'm gonna give everyone a little Well, I
shouldn't give my secret never mind. Sorry, No, I was
gonna give you. I was gonna give I was gonna
give people of La a life hack, But now I
don't know if I should because they're all going to
steal it and use it. There, listen, just do it.

(03:49):
You'll be a hero if you do it. All right,
you guys, don't tell anyone. I know that there's a
preposterous amount of people listening right now, But don't tell anyone.
This is just for you. Do not tell your friends
when you drop you live in LA. If you live
in La. If you don't live in LA and you
come here, you're not allowed to do this. Ship. This
is you go. When you're dropping off. You go to arrivals,

(04:12):
not departures. There's never nearly as long a line at arrivals, brilliant,
and all you gotta do is take the escalator up
or down whenever it is m m hmm. Now I
regret telling everyone that, are you a genius? Zack welcome,
hold on, hold on, I regret this already. It's it's mistake.
It's a mistake. My life hack is ruined. Now I

(04:34):
feel like a lot of people already knew this life No,
they don't. You don't do it, did you know it? Yeah? Absolutely?
And when you get picked up you go upstairs to departure. Yep, yep. Yeah.
It was such a problem that Uber won't let you
do it anymore. You can say, hey, will you drop
me off at arrivals, They'll say, no, we can't do that.

(04:55):
They're gonna give us a ticket if we do that. Oh,
I didn't know. It was like a ticketed things. So
don't get in trouble because of me. But only only
ubers get ticketed. Only ubers get ticketed. If you're driving,
if you're if you're doing a service for a friend.
That's a really good lifehack. Okay, there you go. Life
hack everybody. When you do it, I want you when
you do it and it goes smoothly, I want you
to smile and think of me. Should we get into

(05:17):
the show. Well, we have a very special guest today, Donald.
I know, I'm really excited about it. That's why I
want to get into I can see that you're all
geeked out. We never thought Ken Jenkins would would come
on the show, not because he's difficult in anyway. I
just didn't know if he'd know how to do the
zoom and the recording and all of that. But we're
so lucky that his son helped him navigate it all

(05:40):
and um and and and as he here, Dan, is
he ready to come in the room, ready to go?
I'm kind of nervous style. I haven't seen him in
a long time. I am so excited. Last time I
saw him was when we did that thing at at
the Roosevelt Hotel. Yeah where I also where doesn't he have? Now?
Kids happened also and the same and the same at

(06:03):
the same then not the same venue, but the same
building building. Doesn't he have like nine kids? Like Casey
said that about Donald in the bar which was at
the time was called Teddy's and I think it still is.
And then we had sort of a Scrubs reunion event
for what was it for I don't even remember, I
don't know. And and we were all there, same building,

(06:24):
same building. I love that bowling alley and the run
there is a cool little bowling alley. You ever visit
La just after you've arrived at the airport and driven
an hour. Are we gonna ask him about Ganja or
we're not bringing that up. I mean, I think I
feel like we can ask about it. If he doesn't
want to talk about it, we don't. He doesn't have
to talk about it, I know, but I mean, I'm

(06:45):
just wanted to just pregame with you if we're gonna
bring up his love of Ganja. I'm just saying, Man,
he gave me a Kodak Remember when Kodak film used
to come in those little cases, the black canister thing. Yeah,
he gave me a canister full of seeds once. And
it was like when you plant beds now and I
didn't plant them, and I look for this Kodak thing.

(07:07):
It's somewhere lost in all of the moon. But still, dude,
they were like a lot of seeds and he was like,
you gotta plant them all. But I was like, you
gotta plan. Wait, Dan's eyes got really big, Dan, will
they still grow? A trivia question I want answered is
who was high more often on set? Donald Day's honor?

(07:27):
Ken Jenkins? I I bet you it's Ken Jenkins. Okay,
let's go to the video tape. Okay, hold on, here
we go five, six, seven, eight stories about shore we
made about a bunch of doctor nurses said he's a
stories never so yet. Around here, yato, around here they are,

(08:02):
Hello handsome, waving your hands. Hello, you are can you
see us? Hey, Zachie, how are you doing? Hi, buddy,
glad to see you. It's good to see you. It's
great to see you, old thing. John. Hello, sir. Hello,

(08:25):
We're so glad you're doing this. Can we really miss you?
And we really wanted to have you on the show. Well,
I'm glad you asked me. I'm glad to be here.
What's that? Donald's gone all over his face? This is hair?
You know. I can't grow hair that looks great, Donald,

(08:45):
than It took me all pandemic to grow this. Now, listen,
does that help your ball game? No? My ball game
is not existent. Now and now play golf. My golf game.
It helps tremendously. I beat you, a wonderful golfer. I'm
all right, I'm all right. I'm getting the hang of
it now, you know what I mean? You got pretty good.

(09:06):
You went from zero to hero. I mean when I
first saw you play, we were together and neither one
of us knew what the hell we were doing. And
then you got what's your handicap? Isn't that what you
ask someone. Yeah, my handicaps now is seven point nine.
That's pretty good. That's realistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
can at municipal courses, I should say, when we go
country club and play country club golf, it jumps up,

(09:28):
you know, quite a bit. But for municipal golf courses
so far, seven point nine, that's wonderful. Good for you. Now,
were you a golfer and you never played golf in
my life until we did that episode out there on
the Hill, and can you look good? On that episode?
Donald and I were talking about how you look like
you knew what you were doing. But you know, that's

(09:49):
what they call it acting, because I can until Donald
and I said when I did it, I could not
do it. Edited me together. But we were talking about
Johnny C's a golfer, and he of course looked great,
but we were like, Ken, looks like you knew what
he was doing. Total fraud, fraud, You sold the hell

(10:10):
out of it. How are you? How? How are you
doing in this crazy time when we're all trapped in
our houses? How are you holding up? Well? We're doing great,
Catherine and I say, our lives inside didn't change very much.
We were doing a lot, and we embarked on reading
books to each other, books that we had said we'd read,

(10:33):
and then you'd ask a question like, yeah, well what
do you remember about it? Uh? Nothing, So so we
started reading big books Vanity Fair, seven hundred pages of
Vanity Fair, and you read it out loud to each other. Yes. Yes,
And now we're seven eighths of the way through, Moby Dick,

(10:56):
and I think we're only four people in the world
have ever read it out loud to each other, and
we're about to finish it. I think that's very romantic.
That's a big book, Moby Dick. Yes, I use it
as a step ladder when I'm not really ken you've

(11:16):
always been You've always struck me as a romantic. Well,
I'm romantic, yeah, I mean I used to be. Now
it's just a lot more passive. You know, it's funny
because in the in the episode, I was trying to
think as I was watching this episode, Um, you know
it feels like in some episodes Kelso is so smitten

(11:37):
and in love with Enid, his wife, and then in
other episodes he's so dismisses above her. You know, it
goes back and forth. There's episodes where he's just like
singing old love songs he used to sing to her,
and then there's other episodes where he's just like, oh
if she drives me crazy, I can't stand Enid. I
wonder if you thought what you thought about if Kelso,
what his feelings for Enid were. You know, it's funny,

(11:59):
isn't it. You watching the show develop over all the years,
and Bill would say every year, well, we're going to
give you a real life ken. Don't worry man. So
you never knew what to play is how do you
feel about the wife? And I don't know. I think
it was very complex the way it developed, it was

(12:20):
very complex. But in aside, the one time I thought
we really got into what Kelso felt about love was
when Nurse Roberts died and as that moment when I'm
in the room with her, I think you're looking through
the glass and I just bend over and give her

(12:42):
this tiny little kiss, and you knew there was something
there that but all the wise cracking and in this
episode we're doing today, the smartass stuff that beneath all that,
there was something really deep and human and wonderful bonding.
I was going to ask you that, did you think

(13:03):
Kelso at one point? I mean, it's clear that he
obviously was a really great doctor. To get the chief
of medicine job, he had to not only be at
the hospital for a while, but he had to do
good work. You don't get that job just because of
being there for a long time. Do you think somewhere
along the line Kelso was broken and that's why he

(13:24):
became the ballbuster and and someone who was just all
about insurance and that was it. Do you think at
some point, you know Kelso was like, you know what,
everything that I've been doing? Because you're right, he does
have so many lovable moments throughout the series. Yeah, you

(13:46):
know the Tuscaloosa Heart episode where he's singing to his
his his the love of his life and it turns
out to be in it. You know the fact that
he's definitely willing to give out rewards and stuff like that.
He just doesn't want everybody to come and ask him
over and over again for things. So I'm asking, at

(14:08):
some point do you think he was broken? I don't
know about that, but I think what he did learn,
as all doctors seem to learn, and especially right now
in all this COVID mess. What the what they have
to see daily, and the front line workers have to
see daily, what they have to do is put their

(14:29):
feelings somewhere else, uh and and go on with the job.
And I think in Kelso's position as an administrator, what
happens with your feelings is you crust them over. You
just develop a rind on the outside of it. Someone
dies and you go on at some another person dies

(14:50):
and you go on because you have to keep going there. Someone,
someone in someone in his position, you think, has to
just develop a rhyme, like you said, in order to
try and run that place, especially you know, keep in
mind that Sacred Heart was meant to be a poorer
city hospital that didn't have a lot of resources. So he,

(15:11):
you know, in his defense, he was trying to keep
the doors open to the place. You know. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's I think that's right. And I'm sure
you're right, Donald, in the sense that he was probably
idealistic in the same way Turk and JD are idealistic.
They're young, they have a mission, they think well of themselves,
they're looking at their future. Calso was young once, yeah,

(15:33):
forty eight hundred years ago. Hey, Ken, I wanted to
say that you Bill wrote you sort of one note
in the beginning. You know, if you look at the pilot,
he's just sort of like the bad guy. He literally
has like the blood, the blood, red eyes, and there's
a devil. And then and then as we're seeing now
come and and you played it so wonderfully, Ken, You're

(15:54):
just you're you're so amazing, You're so funny, and you're
so wonderful. But by my point was that now in
season two, which we just started, you're getting to see
where Bill really starts to start to give him lots
of lots more layers. I think, yeah, didn't you feel
that way? I felt like in season one there was
so much to tackle, and of course they're setting up
the young, the young wide eyed interns and their relationships

(16:16):
and everything, and Kelsa was just like the bad guy.
And now I start to see it. Of course, I
know that this goes throughout the nine years that you
really start to see it developed. I didn't remember that
it happened too soon. My memory of season one is
being God, I'm over the top on every scene I'm doing.

(16:38):
It's I hated it. I hated everything. I was doing.
I thought the timing was all right, but I thought,
it's just a thousand times too much. Can't you pull back? No,
I can't. I can't. I don't know where else to go.
And I looked at this episode and I went, this
is just the beginning of season two and everybody is

(16:59):
back again, another deep, wonderful groove. This is an incredibly
good episode. Yeah, yeah, it really is. N That's why
that's one of the reasons we want to have you on,
because not only is it a really really good one,
but you have so much fun stuff to play in
this one, and uh and I want we were excited
to talk to you about all of it. But before
we dive into the episode itself. You know, Ken, we've

(17:21):
had every other one of the leads on the podcast
so far, and we always kind of start with telling
that people excuse me, We always ask everyone their their
audition story, how they how they came about to be
on Scrubs. Do you do you recall like how that all,
how that transpired, What your audition process was like for
the show. I don't know. It was you go in,

(17:43):
you do auditions, you know, and and this one I
went in and there were two or three guys I
know who we're out there, who are all terrific actors.
And you ever think you're going to get a part,
you don't feel, well, this is my part. But I
went in and read and Bill was standing over in
the back and he laughed, and I thought, well, that's

(18:04):
a generous thing for him to do. He's helping out
in the audition. That was really nice to him. And
I went away feeling that was really nice. And then
when I went in the second time, he was there
and he laughed again, only bigger, and I thought, oh,
I got a chance at this. Yeah, you start to

(18:27):
get excited, right, yeah you do and h Then the
journey in my mind was, uh, you have a good audition,
you get the part. And then that first episode I
looked at it in the pilot and I thought, man,
he should fire me. This is really aw Really you
didn't like spinning round and round? But you didn't That

(18:48):
was that was written you. That wasn't your acting. I thought,
I thought you were greed in the pilot? Did you not?
Did you not like your performance in the pilot? I
hated it, but somebody gave me a wonderful out. They
said Ken, all over the top step you were obviously
doing in season one. That's just the way j D
was seeing you. Oh and then as he saw you

(19:11):
multidimensional the way you see Cox in this episode. That's
a wonderful scene with Cox that I want to be
just like you, only more successful. That scene is brilliant.
What a good scene. And you're you guys are so good.
You kill that scene. It's wonderful. Can when you give
me compliments, I have to tell you, it's a special

(19:32):
place in my heart. It means so much to me
because I respect you so much as as an actor.
And you may have thought you were you were broad,
and perhaps the part called for that, particularly early on,
but I want you to know, and I'm sure Donald
agrees that we really just admired and looked up to
you for this entire experience. Absolutely, let's take a break.
We'll be right back after these fine words. You know, Ken,

(20:01):
I'm looking at your i MD I guess your Google.
I googled you and holy shit, dude, you've been in
so many movies. Man, Oh my gosh, dude. Somebody told
me that if you want good researchuals get small parts
in big movies. Oh that's a good technique. I hear that,
that's true. I remember when we were doing Scrubs and

(20:24):
I guess it was its Courage under Fire, am I correct? Yeah,
And I remember seeing it and we had already started shooting,
and I finally saw the movie and you're in the
movie with the scene with Denzel Washington and you two
are having dialogue and everything like that. And that was
when I first realized. I was like, oh, snap, Ken
had a life well before Scrubs. Kids, you thought Scrubs

(20:48):
was Ken's first job. No, I didn't think that, but I,
you know, I was. I'm a you know, dumb, naive
actor who's all about himself and everything like that. And
that's when the world really, you know, the world started
opening up when I started doing Scrub and realizing that, wow, people,
I'm not you know, it's not just me, there's other
people involved in this whole situation and Ken, Holy cow,
well we all feel like that thought. We it's natural

(21:11):
you look at a script and what does any any
actor do when he looks at the script. We all
know this joke. You start leaping through the script. Bullshit,
bullshit my line right? Yeah, absolutely, you have been blessed though, Ken,
to have just an incredible amount of work that you've
done over the years. That's just luck. It's just a

(21:34):
numbers game. You learn the words, you don't trip over
the furniture, and you're gonna get some of them. That's all. Well,
I think you're being modest. I think now I'm not
going to be modest. I think I'm very good in
this episode. Yeah, I think it's very smart. If you're
to have me for this episode, you are. Let's get
into it. Let's get into it. I wanted to say Donald,

(21:55):
first of all, Ken, I have a funny memory of
I don't know if you guys have this thing in
your life where someone tells you an anecdote about a
specific thing, and then every time you think of that thing,
you think of the person. And one of mine is
you Ken. When we when we first all started making
some real money, I said to you, Ken, are you

(22:15):
splurging on anything? Are you? Are you treating yourself to
anything fun? And you said something to the effect of
not really, but I have noticed that I am. I'm
I'm changing my razor blade a bit more frequently. And

(22:36):
I thought that was so humble and sweet and every
and now when I'm when I'm when I'm looking at
my razor blade, I go, damn it, When was the
last time I change this? I probably should. I always
invariably think of you. That's funny, Zach, that's funny. Well,
don't be, don't be. I I want you to know

(22:57):
that I changed mine way more frequently because of Ken Jenkins.
So Donald had embraces on Ken. I don't know if
you recall this, but he uh, he decided to get
braces on the inside of his teeth for season two.
And we've been discussing in other episodes whether or not
you can hear him lisp or not. Because Bill eventually
told him to take the damn things off. This episode

(23:19):
could be called the lisper Oh my god, I can't
even my mouth is even I can't talk, no, not
at all. Well, at this point it was brought to
my attention, Bill's gonna tell you to take the braces off,
and I was like, oh no, how am I gonna?
I gotta, I gotta, I gotta annunciate my words a
little bit better? Made it worse. It made it so
much worse. What what I missed? This whole thing? Well,

(23:43):
can you weren't looking out for it. I'm sure if
you weren't looking out for it, you perhaps wouldn't notice it.
But it's on our minds because we've been talking about
whether or not we can hear it, and I haven't
noticed that. Donald. To be honest, I wonder if what
you're saying is true that you said, oh, I have
to over a nunciat, I have to compensate or something,
because to me it was like it sounded like you
had something in your mouth. Yeah, and that was bracest. Wow,

(24:07):
you mean in that scene where you ask me for
the thing you have braces? Yet? Absolutely? Yes, Oh yeah,
it's like anywhere here's that subjectivity thing right now? I
never noticed that. Man, oh wait, we forgotten. Sorry, we

(24:28):
have to backtrack a tiny bit to do our new
segment where Donald Ken Donald tries to sum up the
whole episode in thirty seconds because we've had some people, Um,
we've had some people who are listening who aren't necessarily
watching the show along with the podcast, and they've asked
us if if if we could quickly sum up the episode. So, Donald,
are you ready? Well, I just want to say one thing.

(24:50):
There's a lot going on in this episode. Well you
this is your second time doing this. Are you already
afraid of the assignment? No, let's go. Okay, you were ready.
We're gonna have thirty seconds on the clock and go.
We start off this episode with Kelso challenging all of
the medical interns to come up with an interesting patient
for the AMA conference. That sets the hospital ablaze. It

(25:11):
causes friction between John C. Mcginley's character and Zach's character
in the movie, Sarah and Judy, their characters don't know
if they really get along, and Turk wants a laser.
At the end of the episode, we find out that
doctor Kelso is a sweetheart and will actually grant you
a wish if you come to him secretly. That being
said that you got most of it. You got most

(25:37):
of it, most of it. Now. Look, well here's the
thing though, it's hard to get into the most important
part of the show, and that's Kelso turning into the
biggest sweetheart by choice. Yes, once every year, yes, but
this year thirty seconds are over. So I don't know,

(25:59):
I know, dum Is this the right? This is the prologue,
the prologue, the progog, the apologueogue? All right, well, yeah,
I gave you credit for doing that. Donald. That's to
get to get that much of it in in thirty seconds.
This is a big episode. It is on ABC story.
It's it's overlapping arcs in different directions, so much stuff

(26:22):
going on. It was directed by Michael directed by Michael Spiller,
one of our favorites. Ken Right. We always loved Michael Spiller,
loved Michael and Um, back to the old credits. If
you recall um in season two, can you remember we
had to reshoot the beautiful credit sequence and then they
wanted to add Neil to the credits, so we reshot them,

(26:43):
and then the song was slower and the fans really
didn't like it. And so I think that that's it
for the for the old credit sequence. This, I think
as far as this one, we're back to it. Dude,
And I ask you questions about this episode. Is Neil
is still in your head? Janitor is still just in

(27:05):
your head in this episode? Right? Nobody else and reacts
with him. That's a good question. Can we've debated that
and because I Bill has Bill sort of game with
that we thought was mostly season one. Um, I think
as far as season two he has begun to talk
to other people, but in this episode he only this

(27:25):
particular one. He only interacts with me. Well, he yea,
so far throughout the season he's only talked to you.
He hasn't you know, he hasn't talked to anyone else.
It's only been you so far. No, I think I
think that's wrong. I think he um he spoke to
Ken or someone in an earlier and maybe this is
a time to ask Scrubs wiki. Oh, I'm nervous about

(27:47):
asking Scrubs wiki. So can we have this uh Wikipedia site? Well,
it's not a Wikipedia site. This guy, Trevor, Uh, he's
the He runs a Scrubs Wikipedia site pretty much where
it's you ask, you type in a question and all
of these answers come up for you know, specific said question. Uh,

(28:09):
that's not true at all what you just said. It
isn't you know? You don't type in a question. It's
it's like you can look up okay, episode two of
season two, and it tells you different you have it.
Probably never looked at the damn thing, have you. I've
never looked at I We've been talking about it for
so long. You never even looked at it. Listen, to
me fake it, it would be It would be a

(28:30):
lot like I love that in your mind. So all
you do, Ken, is you type in a question and
it comes up with an answer that's not at all
what it is. That should be what it is. Wick,
You needs to get that game right. That's a better way. Well,
you need to make Google of scrubs. You need to
make your own your your own weapage. This is just Ken.
It's just like if someone has curated this this page

(28:52):
where it breaks down every episode and it tells you
the guest stars, it tells you a summary, it tells
you some trivia, it tells you continuity errors, and yeah,
you know, it's become a good resource for it. I
don't think I don't think it's a good resource anymore
if I can't call it and ask it questions then
and answer my question. Well, that's why we have asked
Trevor asked Trevor Wicky. Okay, let me ask Trevor Wicky,

(29:14):
Trevor WICKI, so far this season, in my recollection, the
janitor has talked only to JD. Is this true? And
if it is true, when does the janitor actually start
to interact in the story where his storylines are intertwined
with the rest of the cast. But I have a

(29:35):
feeling that it's Ken Jenkins. I have a feeling and
I want Trevor Wicki to answer this that the Janitor
says something to me and it makes Ken slash Doctor
Kelso laugh. But we'll see Trevor. How do you guys?
In season two, Janitor still mostly only interacts with JD.
In the next episode, My big Mouth, Janitor partners with Troy,

(29:56):
but it's not until Mike Karma where Janitor starts interacting
with other main care All right, let's get into the episode.
So one fifty two. I thought it was hilarious that JD.
You don't know what JD is daydreaming about, and you
go to him because the woman says, is he always
daydreaming there? And it turns out we reveal that he's
daydreaming about having that that beautiful afro that better Sun

(30:20):
has and I'm bopping my head to that. That made
me laugh out loud. You would love my favorite line
in this episode, so we don't lose it. Yeah, he said,
it seemed with Donald and Judy a beautiful, sweet little scene.
And he looks up and says something to the heavens,
and Judy says, this is my favorite line. Baby. You know,
I don't like you talking to God while you're having

(30:41):
a discussion. It's funny what we all do it, though,
but we all do it. Everybody does it. Everybody does
it at some point when in a discussion that you're

(31:04):
uncomfortable with. This is that look to the heavens, like
why God? Why why are you doing this to right? Right?
It happens all the time. I've caught my wife doing
it to me, like when she she even puts her fists,

(31:26):
grabs her fist and hits them together. Why. Yeah, it's true,
it's true. That is a great line. And we and
we revealed the turk is still religious, because you know,
we had asked early in season one, and he's quite religious.
Not that not that you need to be religious to
talk to God, but it does seem like we had
asked earlier, like, oh, does that do we stay with that?
Does turk Um keep a relationship with God? And here

(31:48):
he is talking to God. I want to I want
to jump back to the beginning of the episode. When
the show very first starts, it cuts to an exterior
shot of our apartment. Yeah, they when it cuts into
the apartment, it kind of felt a little it felt
very sitcommy yah know what I mean? Yeah, And there

(32:09):
aren't a lot of moments of this show where I'm like,
that's like a sitcom. You know, we we earn our
laughs because the laugh track there's no laugh track to
you know, to to help you. We earn our laughs.
And that at that moment, I was like, is this
one of those moments where we're experimenting still in season two,
trying to figure out a way to because we're coming

(32:30):
on Thursday nights now, and you know, when Friends was on,
that's always the first shot. It's either central, the central perk,
or it's their apartment building. And it seemed like that's
what we were doing. And so you think it was
just the shot of the apartment, because that's pretty rare
for Scrubs to open on the shot of the apartment.
It usually opens on the shot of the hospital. Is
that what you were sensing? You think, maybe maybe that's

(32:52):
what it is, or maybe you know, someone one of
the executives at NBC or something was like, well, I
don't know where their start from. Let's just you know,
I don't. I don't. I don't understand this the apartment.
I thought it was a joke that didn't quite work. Yeah,
which one, but the shot of the apartment of playoff friends,

(33:13):
this is not friends. Boom, it's friends. It's not friends.
Oh that's very interesting because it opens up and it's
the four of us in the in the apartment. I
didn't understand why you say I'll go get you guys beers,
and I'm like, I'll come help you, Like, why do
you need help grabbing two beers? I don't know. It
was just it was a setup to leave them alone
and show that they they have that they're awkward when

(33:34):
they're when they're alone together. Right. I have another question,
What the heck is an AMA conference? I didn't want
to look it up. I wanted to ask this gin
the American Medical Association Donald Okay got it for all
of you who out there who didn't know what an
AMA conference was and didn't bother to look it up,
like me. Yeah, I think some people might be perplexed

(33:55):
that you don't know what the AMA is after playing
a fake doctor for nine years, But you know who knows,
don't be perplexed. Do you know don't be perplexed. Um,
there's a the AMA said that Scrubs was the most
medically accurate TV show about doctors. Did you know that?
I did know that. I didn't know that the AMA

(34:16):
said it. I just thought random doctor said it. No, Ama,
that's that's one of our badges of honor. Okay, my
doctor still says, well, what do you think, Ken? Ken?
Do you do you do you use your Scrubs fame
to uh to get special treatment from the doctor Because
we've learned that Bill tells everyone, including his dentist, that

(34:37):
he was a creator of Scrubs. My doctors have got
too old to understand things like that. They just do
what doctor Kelso did, pay their nurse pay on your
way out? Um, I like it to twenty six that
not only have I just enjoyed a fantasy with the afro,
but i've I've I asked the guy is that easy

(34:58):
to manage? Like Jad's really JD's really asking if he
can if he might want to try a perm Yes. Also, Ken,
I love Al Jarrow. I don't know if you loved Aljarow.
That's that's my second favorite joking. And and and the
look on the Loma's face when she goes, what and

(35:22):
you say, what is your response to it? Which one
is the blind one? You mean? Rachels that's horrible? And
then doesn't Aloma say? Aloma says something like, careful of Earn.
You're a saved woman. Yes, but I loved me some

(35:44):
al Jarrow. I loved Algaro growing up. He's sang some
of the greatest songs ever made. One of them. What's
Algaro's most famous? Hign? I know the name, but I
can't think of what an Algaro song is that I
would know. We're in this love together, we got the
kind that last forever. Also, nobody does it like Severa Lee.

(36:06):
Oh he did the jingle. No. Do you remember when
he had his own Sarah Lee commercial? And nobody does
it like Several Lee. I do remember. We're in the
love to get there that laugh forever. Tommy Davidson, when
I was a kid, had this great stand up special
where he talks about al Jarrow. Algar Row sung the

(36:28):
theme song to Moonlighting some fly by Na. That's right,
So the Moonlighting strangers who just met on the bee,
who just met on the week. Anyway, Tommy david got
a little more. You gotta put a little more sound
fled by nah. Well, listen, Tommy Davidson did this whole

(36:53):
stand up thing when I was a kid, right well,
and he would talk about how al Jarrow could sing
his off but would make the craziest faces when he sang,
so that to get those sounds and to get that
that you know, that kind of twang to his music
some fly by n fly body. He make just the faces,

(37:16):
and his niece would be like, what's wrong with his face?
I loved Alt Jerome. So can you have to kiss
this woman's butt? Do you remember if she was really
there for your button kissing? You know, you think I
remember a thing like that, but I don't. I don't

(37:37):
remember either. She was good. I forgot her name. I'll
look it up because I'm on the Marie Cheatham, Oh nice,
nice yea? Had you had you work with her before? Ken? Yes, well,
we didn't work together, but when I was seventeen, I
was an apprentice at the Alley Theater in Houston, Texas,

(37:59):
and Marie was down there. I don't remember whether she
was an apprentice too, or whether she was just around
in the company, or because she's younger, than me, I think.
But that's where when Robert Foxworth was down there is
it an apprentice Carlin Glenn. Wow, so you guys knew

(38:19):
each other when you were a teenager's Yeah, but when
I was seventeen. But I hadn't seen her until I
was very surprised when there she was on the on
the show. I thought she was very good in it. Yeah,
she was a great trait. And the banter between all
of you guys and the banter with Johnny was really
funny too. Yeah, the sas and you saying sas sas.

(38:42):
Stop saying sass, Stop saying sas sas. Mike McDonald's back
in this episode, Yes, Mike McDonald with a broken penis right,
and Sarah's and Sarah's imaginary patient with the ass on
the frontis front butt. That scene with Sarah and Judy,

(39:06):
that is just the sweetest little scene when when I
would kill for your I would kill for your and
Judy says I would kill for that wagon, your dragon
blank look on her face. She says that your butt.
What's funny is that I didn't really have much of
a wagon. I mean, I don't know. I think that's

(39:27):
I think that's the actual joke, though, you know, it's
it's very interesting because you know, women are built different, obviously,
and some have a junk in the trunk and some
have not a lot of junk in the trunk. And
what I've learned is that, you know, jeans fit different
when you have more junk like jeans that you see
on television and designer jeans, at least when I was
growing up, or made for people were made for people

(39:48):
with not a lot of booty, you know what I mean.
And so when I would go and buy the jeans
that I saw, you know, on television, and I put
them on, I would have I had big quads, and
I have a very round and you have a big
ass wagon, and so it would be hard to fit
into these jeans. And so a lot of these genes

(40:08):
that I had, you know, I buy all of these,
you know, the brand that was popular at the time.
I would buy the jeans and try to fit into them,
and they just didn't look as good as they did
on other people. And so I would you know, one
of one of the ways around that is to let
the jeans sag off your butt, you know. But um,
I just noticed something that was very crazy about this

(40:31):
episode is both Judy and Sarah look amazing in this episode.
They're like fine as fine can be. In this episode, Judy,
you know what I mean. Judy's hair is out of
her face and in your face, you know what I mean,
really see how beautiful she is. Sarah's hair is done
nice and not in her face, and you see how
beautiful she is. But she's kind of the Princess Leiah
buns on her head. And and they're complaining in the

(40:54):
episode about you know, what they wished they had and
what they wished they didn't have, and you know, and
in my mind, I was like, wow, we have two
really beautiful women. But at the end of the day,
is that is that how we all are? Are we
all this way? Of course? You know what everybody, everybody
has their own insecurities about their physical appearance and um,

(41:15):
and I think part of the point of the episode
where was here are these two women that that we
all would imagine would be perfectly fine with their their appearance,
and then they what they finally bond over is their
insecurities and you know, they don't have they can't find
anything to talk about. I thought it was a pretty
powerful statement, Actually, Yeah, what they're saying is what they
finally bond over is their own insecurities about themselves. Yea.

(41:39):
And then the other one is like, what are you
talking about? You have this? You have this? And she's like,
what are you talking about? You have this? I wish
I had your hair, I wish I had your know.
So I thought that that that was really relatable. A
lot of people could go, oh God, even even these
women who I perceive is to be to be so beautiful, Um,
battle this, you know. And what the turn with the
Johnny c with the doctor Cox after you're saying and

(42:02):
you're telling him you want to be like him, only successful,
and the last saying is him showing us that he's
been kind of braving over his insecurities when he hands
the telephone to Marie's character and lets her make the
call for him. Yeah, get him an advantage. And I
really and I really like that because it was it

(42:24):
was one of the first times in the whole show
where I have had the bravery to do something that
affects Doctor Cox. Yeah, you know, I really that took
a lot of of of hutzpah for JD to do
what he did, and and go against him. But and
of course to say to your mentor, I want to

(42:44):
be you, but a more successful you. Yeah. Um, I
mean that was that was a really courageous moment for
the character. And then I really love the fact that
that that went to affect to doctor Cox. It really
it made him take action in his own career, planted
a seed in his own mind, right, It really planned

(43:05):
the seed for the next six years of your relationship
with him. Yeah, all right, we have to go to
a quick commercial, Ken, because this was like a real show.
We have a real we have advertisers and everything, so
we will be right back after these words. And we're bad,

(43:27):
and we're bad. I think there are only a few
entrances in our show that are legendary. Can you have two?
He has two and one all in one episode two.
Your entrance where you're excited and happy about everything. You
know where you're coming and you're dancing and you're and

(43:48):
you're excited. That's one of the best entrances in Scrubs history.
And then your second entrance when you come in and
you beat the shit out of everybody. Forgot one of
one of the best interces. I had forgotten about that Ken,
do you remember you must have done those both the
same day, I imagine was there must have been a
lot of rehearsal for those sequences. I don't remember that

(44:09):
there wasn't. There was very little rehearsal for the happy
one because it started downstairs in the entrance throwing off
the cape, and that took a little while to set up.
Those scenes always did down there, and then we were
up in the hallway and that seemed to be almost
an improvisation. It just went. That was so fast. But

(44:30):
on the second hallway scene that was Ernie, and Ernie
was there with those guys and saying give me a
key and made all those whacks working, and those people
doing those enormous reactions from anything I did that sold
that just just for people that don't know, Ernie was

(44:51):
one of our stunt coordinators and all those people that
Ken's interacting with our stunt men and women, and we
haven't really given enough shout out to them yet on
this show. You know, we like we prided ourselves on
doing a lot of the physical stuff, but um, the
stunt people did a ton of of the stunts on
the show, especially stuff that like like this moment with Ken,

(45:12):
which is it's like a dancer team, right, Ken, It's
like it's like a choreographed dancer team. Yeah. I don't
like that one. I like the second one. I mean,
I Ken what I What I meant was that the
fight sequence is its own bit of it yea of
a dancer? Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely? Listen. Is this the only
time there were two done in one episode? Asked Trevor

(45:36):
the wiki. Okay, you want to Ken, good n Ken
is calling upon Trevor Wicky. Ken, where you are going to? Ask? Uh,
Trevor Wicky? Has there ever been a an entrance by
one of the characters that's done twice in one episode?
You know, in the same hallway we had our that
um pim strut and the one with the pimp strut

(45:58):
for Donald and I, which we twice but separated by
many many episodes. Yes, has there ever been an entrance
like this in the in another episode where we did
it twice? Over the top entrances are a fun running
gag on Scrubs, But Doctor Kelso is the only character
to get two grand entrances in one episode. Well, not twice,

(46:20):
but I do remember Dick van Dyke had an entrance
very similar to why are you helping? Why are you
helping Trevor WICKI out, this isn't free because Trevor Wiki
doesn't want to do the job. Zach, No, he don't know,
don't know. He said he doesn't want to do it.
He said he didn't want to do it. No, Joel
said it was a misunderstanding. He does want to do it.
We never sent him his gift basket. You well, we
remind me. I don't send gift backs gets to people

(46:42):
who are halfway in and half I feel like the
gift basket, if well stocked, could put him over the edge.
He might be on the fence. So we gotta we
gotta give him. Listen, man, Yes, we have to bribe him.
This is America. What are we going to bribe him with?
This is America. Don't catch you stepping up. What are
we going to bribe him with? What are we gonna

(47:02):
bribe him with? Some salami? Why should we put in
the gift basket for Trevor Wiki? We can find out,
just so we can answer these questions. I go srub swag.
I mean if I was Trevor Wicky, If I was
Trevor Wicky, I would want scrub swag. I bet you
we could go to Instagram and at Listen, I'm not
trying to dish you, Trevor Scrubs Wiki. But if I
went to Instagram and ask all of our followers any

(47:24):
of these questions, they'd be eager and excited to do it.
I'm not trying. I'm not trying to help the situation.
I'm trying to tell you guys right now that he
don't want to do it. Okay, well, listen, Trevor Wicky.
That's I apologize on behalf of my co host. Um,
you don't want to do it. Now, what if we
were to get you know, the Scrubs Funko pops? Right?
What if we were to each sign our own Funco

(47:46):
pop and give them the Trevor Wicki as his bribe.
Trevor Wicky will then take said Funco pops and sell
them on the internet. No, well, then he'll make what
and then he'll make his twenty bucks and it'll be
they're working more than twenty bucks. Listen, Maybe because Ken
asked Trevor Wicky, he'll be a little bit more inclined

(48:08):
to do it because everybody loves Ken Jenkins. There we go, okay,
get well, you're at it. Get the list of all
those hallways Heather and Heather and whoever else did one. Yeah,
that's a good question. Well, listen, let's not overwhelm the man.
We've head us already a second. Cris See, that's what
I'm talking about. This wouldn't be overwhelming. If he wanted
to do it, it would be the best day of

(48:29):
his life. Yo, zach Ken and Donald asked me how
many things happen in the hallway? Who he made a website?
He don't want to do it, all right, Calm down,
Calm down. This is his second This is his audition
to see if he wants to come back and do it.
This is the callback. This is the callback. This is
his callback. We'll see how he does. We've now given
him two questions, ones from legendary Ken Jenkins and and

(48:50):
we will Joel, will you please facilitate him getting signed
Funko Pops? But only if he comes through? Okay? And
you know we can also sell that. We can say,
end him a gift card to get a free MMM
notification for his phone, give him a dollar twenty nine.

(49:15):
Oh my god, that's funny. Big all insulted he'd be
for like, hey man, we really want to thank you.
M here's the gives her to Gate for a dollar
twenty nine to get our ring tone. Here's the ring tones.
All right, Should we get back to the episode? Guys, Yes,
Eat Schmidt and die. Yeah, that was funny. Oh, Sarah
says when she was a kid, she was really close
to their maid and then and then and then she

(49:36):
goes and then she goes, our baide was white, and
Judy goes what was her name? And there's a really
long pause and she goes Enzwela man um. So themorrow

(50:00):
up in the Janitor. I thought that was a great moment.
And I thought I thought that the Janitor because you know,
when watching these episodes, we don't really remember all of it,
and so I honestly thought that j D had a
breakthrough with the janitor. And I was wondering what JD
was gonna do for the janitor to be like that
mop that I got you forget about I mean that
moth that the mop that you got me, forget about it,

(50:20):
you ruined everything, And he just decides at the end
of the show, I liked my old mop better. Yeah. Yeah,
but by the way he cries. He literally the janitor.
I had forgotten this. He cries over my gift. First
of all, he's in line. Everyone's in line to go
to Kelselo's office to ask for things for their department,
and really expensive stuff. You're asking for an argon laser.

(50:42):
People are asking for overtime for nurses. They're all lined
up to ask for special things for the department. The
janitors in line to ask for a mop. Yeah, and
then he doesn't get a mop. So I go out
and buy him a mop. I take the time to
gift wrap it. I mean I he goes out his

(51:03):
way to make this man feel special. I know. I
wish I had seen the scene. That would have been
a funny scene watching me mop shopping for the janitor.
But I buy the mop, I gift wrap it. I
put a bow on it, and I give it to
him and he starts to cry. He's so moved. Yeah, yeah,
that was funny. And then at the end of the
episode he's like, I like my old mom. I go,
you cried. He goes, No, that was you, that was you. Yeah,

(51:25):
that was you. I like your line and when you
said what was wrong with the mop? And you said
it was out of mop gas? Was it out of
mop Gas? Yeah? Uh, he's so funny, Neil. I just

(51:45):
look at him and I start giggling. I mean, you know,
when he comes on, it's gonna be a funny moment.
How about Rob Mashio. First of all, I believe when
you when you get of fake breast, I think it's
like a special wing or doctor. Right, it's I don't
want to want why we're handling. Why Judy and Rob
Mashio are handling a breast augmentation? Yeah, I think you

(52:07):
go to a plastic surgeon for that, right, right. I
thought that was like I don't know much, but I
was like, why is Judy prepping a breast augmentation and
why is Rob Mashio doing the surgery? Because the real
j D was not in the writer's room when yeah, exactly. Then,
because I was like, I believe we're like a small

(52:27):
city hospital and like mostly for like emergencies. I don't
think we're doing like cosmetic breast augmentation. But but what
about when he goes, let's get you into a fresh
pair of blouse bunnies, a blouse bunnies. And then later
he says to the husband. After she's had her breast done,
he goes, We're gonna need to get you some bigger hands.

(52:53):
You didn't laugh at that? I did laugh. I laugh
at everything Rob does. Funny man. Yeah. Um, so we
have a moment where Elliott has a voiceover. What do
you think about? Yeah, she has a voiceover when she
braw looking in the mirror stuff like that. Is that
a voiceover? Is it too or she talking to herself?

(53:15):
Her mouth isn't moving, so it's definitely voiceover. By the way,
when she's playing with her breast and she's squeezing them
together and then she like leans forward and then something breaks.
But I don't know what the hell happens. It sounds
like someone throws a brick through her front window. There's
like this loud glass shadow noise. Do you know what
I'm talking about? No, I didn't pick that up. Yeah,
the idea she's like she's like leaning forward and she's

(53:35):
like giving herself big cleavage, and then the idea is
like something breaks. But do you know what I'm talking about? You? Well,
but the sound effect was so weird. It was like
it sounds like some she was being attacked from outside.
That was the bottle of massage oil. Something broke ken,

(53:58):
something on her sinc broke, but the sound effect was
just a bizarre choice. I thought, Um, Joel, do we
have a guest. Let's bring them in. Can we take
a question here from from one of our lovely listener fans.
They come into the room, you're about to be about
to meet them, and then they ask us a question. Banks,
Banks smoking that loud? Banks smoking that loud? Oh my gosh,

(54:22):
Banks smoking that loud? Banks? Are you telling marijuana as
you ask us a question? Yes, I did have a
couple of questions, Um, no, but that's not sounds like that,
sounds like, yes, Banks, you smoking that loud right now?
Why are you call it loud? I never heard that,
because it's it's loud and stinky. Baby. But Banks, all

(54:46):
three of the cast members of Scrubs that you have
and enjoy the occasional use of cannabis, it seems like
you're the appropriate guest for this episode because we just
watched you exhale a giant cloud of smoke. That ship
was like a rat. That's it was like a Snoop
Dogg video dog That's it was for real, for real, man,
You took a big ass hit off of something. Is

(55:09):
that you have a shirt? This is burned? Yes, sir,
burn it, burn it burning because I'm gonna burn one down.
If you don't like my fire, then don't come around
because I'm gonna burn one down. All right? Um, it
was no doubt, no doubt. Is that og? Was that og? Cush?
Was it? What was that? Was? Was that? No? It's

(55:29):
I was told it was purple diesel? Oh, okay, some
mixture of sour diesel. Ken, Do you still partake every
now and then? You know, when you reach JD you
don't need to because it's sort of like it's a
perpetual filled thing. It just gets utterly filled up and

(55:52):
there's no need to bother your lungs about it because
it's just always there. You're full. You smoked it up
so that you're just good. You're you're high. You're high
enough for the rest of your life. Oh you do that?
Or I was walking around Donald occasionally, my lips are

(56:14):
purple now, Ken, they used to be pink. That's all
I'm saying. Donald is salivating. Banks? You jealous? All right, Banks,
you have a question for us. We have Ken Jenkins
on the show today, Donald Phazon and Isazachry. Yeah. I
just watched the episode Ken was hilarious, right my wallet. Yeah.

(56:36):
So my question about the show is, if you guys
could recast who, who would you cast as who? If
I could recast myself, I'll just say myself, you could
recast the whole show. I don't want to do that,
but if I could recasting, I loved working with everybody,
and I think everybody's really good on this show and
I can't see anybody else playing the characters that we played.

(56:57):
But if I could recast myself, there are like three
people that I think could have done a great job
if timing was on their side. Denzel Well, I mean,
come on, man, I feel like I feel like if
timing was on his side, Jalil White would have made
a great Christopher Turk. By like he would have crushed

(57:20):
that role as Christopher Turk if timing were If timing
were right on his side, I feel like Damon Wayne's junior,
if he were older back then, he would have crushed
Christopher Turk. He would have done such a great job
as Christopher Turk. And I think those two people and

(57:40):
when it comes to playing that character, if I could
recast Chris Turk and it couldn't be me, I would
take those two people. Okay. I was just thinking as
Donald was answering because I zoned out. His answer was
so boring, and I think that so's your face. I

(58:01):
was thinking Ben Platt would be a good JD. Uh.
He's a funny, young, nerdy character actor, and he's very
talented and he can sing his ass off, not that
JD was required to sing too much. How about you, Ken?
Can you think of another actor who could have I
don't know, no one could replace the legendary Ken Jenkins,
but I wouldn't want to put anybody else through nine

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years of that. Um all right, what about another one?
Banksy Banks is fine? Bankos is cool too, Bankos Oh,
this is non scrub related, Donald. I want to know, like,

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because you know, I'm from New York too, so like
I've kind of followed your career, like you know, you're
always you were always a groomsman, never a groom really
like kind of ended back like but you know, clueless, Uh,
sugar Hill and all that thing like that, Um who
in Hollywood? And you go and you go, who who
in Hollywood? Did you did you serve up the most

(59:04):
on the court. Like, who in Hollywood did I serve
up the most on the court? Uh? A lot of people.
There are a lot of people that have gotten they
asked busted by me, and then there are a lot
of people that have busted my ass, like you know,
the most famous of the two I wanted? Yeah, go ahead?

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Does he mean like in a metaphor in the acting
world or on the basketball on the basketball court? No,
I don't know if that's what he means. Thanks, What
do you mean I mean on the basketball court? Okay,
shutting up, Thank you, and you stay quiet for a while.
Do you understand, Yes, sir, I'm sorry. So Leonardo DiCaprio

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is the most famous person that I've ever served on
the basketball court. Hey man, Toby Maguire on the same team,
gave them the business. And this was back, dude, This
was back when I couldn't play basketball that well. Right,
this is me coming to LA and being put in
the league and then seeing Leo and Toby and being like, Oh,
they're gonna get it today, you know what I mean?
And I didn't even score a lot of points, but

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we beat the crap out of They had like they
had a they had a squad in this entertainment league
that we played in, and uh we beat them in
the playoffs. We got them in the first round, and
when we played them during the season, we beat them. Anyway,
I have a question. I told you to shut up. Sorry,

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I'm just I'm sorry, it's so funny, but I also
don't want to talk now. I told you to shut up. Um,
did Leo invite you back to his game? Because I
always hear about these celebrity games where when someone comes
in and they kick ass like you probably did that,
they don't get invited back there. You gotta watch how

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good you are? Right, So that happened to me. That
happened to me. Well so so one time I played
ball with Toby and a bunch of his buddies at
somebody's house. I don't know who it was, but Harley
pastor Neck invited me. Harley Passion next, a celebrity trainer.
Celebrity trainer right and bananas or sugar sticks ahead, right,

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And and I've run into him. You know, He's invited
me to a bunch of games to play with other
celebrities because he knew I loved basketball. So I played
with Kanye West, I played with Common, I played with
all of these people, right, And he invited me one
time to play basketball with Toby, and I remember Toby
Maguire was like, I don't want to be on his

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team because I'm not gonna have fun playing on his team.
And I took offense to it. And I remember when
I got there and I listen, you talk about smoking
a lot aloud. I had smoked so much weed when
I got there. Before I got there, right, and so
I'm stoned out of my mind. And he's like and
he's like, I don't want to play with him because
I'm not gonna have fun. And I was like, oh, okay, fine,

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you got it. And I proceeded to bust their ass
on their court and I never got invited back. Yeah,
you gotta be not too good, right. That's the trick
to play with fancy celebrities, Right. You have to make
it feel like they can they can compete on your level.
If they can't compete on your level, you gotta make
you got to bring them up to your level. You

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gotta be like the Lebron James of the thing where
you score buckets, but you make them feel like they're
doing their thing. Another time. Hold up, I was in
Miami and Leo and Toby invited me to hang out
with them, and this was one of the biggest moments
of my life. You know what I mean as a
young actor. To me, Leonardo DiCaprio is the best actor

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in the world. I love everybody out there. I think
everybody does a great job, but for me, Leo is
my age, and I think he's the best at my like,
I don't think anybody better than him. And since you know,
when it comes to my peers, people that are my age, right.
And so we're in Miami and we go down to

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this little basketball court and it's me, Leo and Toby
on the same team, and we played against you know,
some Floridians on it's three on three game and we win,
and I, you know, I remember, and I remember thinking,
you know, I've arrived. I played ball with Leo, I

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played ball with Toby. We were on the same team.
It happened. I'm gonna be in the next Spider Man.
I can feel it. I was wrong because right that
the next time I played ball with Toby, he said,
I don't think I'd have fun playing on this team.
I think in my mind, I was like, but we
kicked ass in Miami, Baby, we had a thing. We
did our thing in Miami, all right. So those are

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the people who when it comes to basketball, those are
the two people that I've given the business. Leonardo DiCaprio
in Miami, Leonardo on talking McGuire. When it comes to
getting my ass busted. There are quite a few entertainers
out there who can really ball. Michael B. Jordan is nice,
Jesse Williams nice, fathom these dudes up. I mean, I'm

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a heavy NBA celebrity game um historian, and someone like
Michael B. Jordan, I think, I I'm telling you right now.
I'm telling you right now. It's a big difference when
you're under those lights, though. Man, it's a big, big,
big difference. And the ball isn't the real ball. It's
not it's not like anything you've ever played with. And
don't the ball a real ball in the celebrity games

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because it has to look it's shiny, and it has
you know, it has. It doesn't feel the same way, right,
And so I love that grit, that normal grit we
usually have when we play. Michael B. Jordan, Jesse Williams,
Brian McKnight, James Yeah, James le Jore. I'm trying to
I'm leaving some people out there are supposed to be

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really good. There's so much younger than me that I've
never had the like when you were playing, when you
were playing actively in these celebrity leagues, who was the best?
Who is? Who would you pick number one on your
team of people? We know it's either Brian McKnight or
James Lejore. Those two are like, Brian McKnight understands basketball, right.

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James Lejore he doesn't have to he doesn't have to score,
you know, forty points to win. He would average a
triple double every game we played, and you'd look at
it and be like, damn, you know, he didn't take
a lot of shots, but he had ten points. And
I don't think he passed the ball to me that much.
But look he has as yeah, yeah, yeah, I just
had to look at right that that dude is that

(01:05:44):
dude can ball. Yeah. But but the two that are
the two, the three that are really good in my
opinion are James Lejore, Brian McKnight, and Michael b. Jordan Okay, well,
are you having everyone Donald the celebrity basketball player? How's

(01:06:05):
um how's a Doulay Hill? Dlay is not a real
He's not a He's not that bigger. That's another person
who could have played Turk as Doula Hill if circumstances
were correct. But um uh do Lay is not Jali White,
Jalil is dope. Jalie Caball too. Yeah, that's another one.
That's another one. But I gave it and Jalill knows it.

(01:06:26):
I gave him the business one summer league. We had
a we had a Nike Summer league, and I gave
him the business and he knows it. And to this day,
every time, if I ever I mean, I don't play
basketball anymore. But from that point on, if I did
play Jalio White, he was extra aggressive when it came
to guarding me, and if I was guarding him to
showing me, Yo, that was a fluke. Dude, you ain't

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gonna do it again. But I gave him the business
one game, so much so that you know when people
are staring at you and you're acting like you can't
see him staring at you. I felt, I felt the
burn in my peripheral while he's sitting on the bench
after I filed his ass out burning it's my free
was you do they still do the celebrity basketball thing.

(01:07:09):
I don't know. I don't play basketball anymore. No, I'm
saying they do, okay right now. I mean it's in
non COVID, in non COVID times. I wonder if it
was still an I don't play basketball like that anymore.
But it's a big difference when it gets on television
and the announcers and the TV timeouts and all of
that stuff. It's not the same game, you know what
I mean, your rhythms. You have to be hot going

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in and just stay hot because your rhythms are off
and you can't play your way into games like that
my opinion. All right, Well, for anyone who tuned out
for the last ten minutes, this is Ken took a
brief nap Ken, Ken took a brief nap Um. But

(01:07:51):
we're back banks. Thank you, man. Those were good questions
and we appreciate you and um and you inspired Donald
to go have some purple diesel. Well, it's not gonna
be purple diesel. It might be that. Listen, man, there
might be that lookout, it might be done out. It's
my birthday. You want to count out? Go ahead? Yeah?
Happy first of all, Happy birthday, Thank you, Happy birthday.

(01:08:14):
How old are you two? Are? You're young? In all right,
the show's not quite over yet, but we'll tell you
what we're gonna do. Well, I guess we kind of
did it right. We don't have anything else to talk about.
I mean, Ken, is there anything else you wanted to say? Yeah,
you have to say, how good Johnny Castle? It is
absolutely Ken, you know what, Absolutely, you're absolutely right. You're right, Ken.

(01:08:37):
Johnny Castle doesn't get enough appreciation. He plays Doug, the
nervous guy, and he was always very, very funny and
always had his little red Fannie pack on and it's
always the butt of Kelso and Cox's jokes. They and
some of the best one liners, like you know when
he's like, my family lives in uh right, you'll see them. Yeah,

(01:09:01):
my family lives and you'll see them around the holiday,
do you know? Right? Right right, right right right, And
he's he snaps off those ends when when Johnny said
he's always chasing him off, go go, go go, he
snaps those ends off so crisply too. Yeah, yeah, Ken,

(01:09:24):
I just want to say thank you for doing this. Uh.
Donald and I talk about a lot how much we
we love you and miss you and uh and we
were both really really excited that you wanted to do
is you know, And also you are the MVP of
our show. You were talking earlier about how you felt
you were so broad and everything like that and you
needed to pull it back. But I personally watching you,

(01:09:49):
feel like you were so natural and you were able
to bring a natural element to slapstick and broad comedy.
And as much as you're like, I feel like I
was all. I was all for the top. I personally,
uh I, it's it's it. I I disagree with you, honestly.
I think you are right in the pocket and you

(01:10:10):
crush it every time. And I think that's why it
started off as Kelso being the bad guy, and as
we moved forward, Kelso all of a sudden was telling
all of the great jokes and had all of the
great one liners. And so that's just my that's just so.
I gotta tell you, the only reason that I agreed

(01:10:31):
to come on and do this with you guys was
the hopes that you would say some wonderful bullshit like that. Okay,
nobody talked, we can't. Nobody talked. We can't beat that.
We can't beat that, and that's how you end the show.
Thank you, Ken Banks. Count us out about show we made.

(01:11:00):
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me watch your wiz at the time. Mm hmmmm