206: My Big Brother With Tom Cavanagh

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, guys, what you're trying to get into a day
of Shoot, what you're trying to do? That's a ring
tone right there. That's a fire soong, by the way.
And I gotta tell you, since I told them our
listeners about it and you remind you about it, I've
been singing it NonStop. It's like, you know how you
usually get like a summer hooky song in your head.

(00:20):
My summer hookie song in my head is what you're
trying to get in. I damn wrong. That's amazing because
twenty years ago your summer song was turned me inside out.
So I can't speak because you're everywhere when I Branch
knows how many shoutouts she gets on this podcast. Yeah

(00:43):
she should know because she's not alone. Oh I I
think Michelle Branch must be aware that how many times
over the years I've spoken about her. Do you think
Michelle Brandt gives two ships about us? Do you think? Yes?
I think Michelle brand likes any people that are talking
about a song she wrote twenty years ago. I hear that, man.

(01:05):
I know what happened to her. She joined so she
she I think she got married, had kids, joined a
band doesn't mean she gave up her musical. She did.
She was. She's in a band right now. It's her
and another young lady and they do they do music together?
Would they do? As long as they cover every do me?
They do? Very they do? Uh? That very good. Casey

(01:26):
put me onto them because you know Casey works in
music sometimes. And she put me onto them and was like, Yo,
she's dope. She joined a band. I rocked. I rocked
out to her in my trouble. You know, I've be
thinking about putting my my, my, my sort of girl
pop workout list on the on on on the web,
so people can do that ship, do that ship, yeah,
because it needs that. Yeah, people listen. I can never

(01:48):
find a workout playlist that suits my needs. A lot
of people clearly agree with you on on rap and
hip hop because if you go on like the standard
playlist sun iTunes or wherever, they're all like that and
and like hits one is all like stuff. I don't
listen to do you don't listen to the Wu Tang.

(02:11):
I don't listen to No, I don't listen to wotang.
Do you know who? But you know who method Man is? Yeah?
Of course he was in Garden State. That's right, that's right.
But you know he's in that. You do know that
he is in a band with about twelve people. Can
you name poll the Wu Tang members. There's Woo, there's Tang,
there's clan. I'm gonna say some names and you're gonna

(02:36):
be like, oh, yeah, I've heard of them, of course,
A dirty bastard. Of course I've heard of him. He was,
he was, he died, right, Yes he did. Yeah, I've heard.
I can picture him. We hung out with him one
night and you spell it r z A. I know that. Yeah,
we hung out at Chateau. He came through and kicked
it with us that night we were hanging. You're not
supposed to talk about Chateau on this actually, so let

(02:56):
me take that back. But you know, what happens at
the chateau is supposed to stay at chateau. Right now,
you can't be dropping Shateau things. I hung out with
Drake at the Shotsau. Wance you see, look at you
spilling the beans? Okay, go ahead? Who else? Riza O
d method Man, method Man, ghost face killer. Yeah, I've
heard of him. I can't picture his face. I can't. God,

(03:16):
you God, I don't know you God the jisa, I
don't know the jis. That's the genius. Uh inspector deck.
There you go. Wow, there's a big band. A lot
of people in this band. Oh yeah, it's a huge band.
You really like their music a lot? Are you kidding me?
I smoke on the mic, like smoking Joe Frasier, the
hell raizor raising hell with the flavor, terrorizing jams like

(03:39):
troops in Pakistan, swinging through your town like a neighborhood
spot and man so um TikTok keep ticking. Come on now,
you don't know nothing about the boot tang came yo
m e t h o d man m e t
h o d man. Hey, you get off my cloud.
You don't know me, and you don't know my down

(04:00):
you don't notice. No. I have a question though, when
you when you have a big like rap supergroup like that,
are there they all dirty? Baby? I got your money,
don't you worry? I said, Hey, yeah, that's before you
go into another song. I have a question. Do they
all take turns like I'm gonna wrap now? All right

(04:21):
now you're up, you wrapped now that kind of thing
like like like they take turns well, some of them
have like a connection. So you remember run DMC growing
up right, Yes, yes, yes, the Adidas my Adidas, Right,
those two had a connection. So when they rapped, they could,
when they rom they could bounce off of each other.
Some people it's like you and I, how we have
a good uh how we have good chemistry? Same thing

(04:44):
with rappers, and you look for when you're a rapper,
you look for that person that you have chemistry. Drake
and Future have really good chemistry together. So they do
a lot of records together. Um, and so it's the
same thing you know, uh in in the Wu Tang
because it was so big, the woo was so big,
there are little tiny groups withinside the sub groups within

(05:05):
the woo. Right, So ghost Face and uh ghost Face
and Ray Kwana Chef, that's the one I forgot to mention.
I should have put Ray Kwana. He got the best.
He got probably the best bill for Cuban Links is
probably the best Wu Tang record in my opinion. It's
got so many good songs on it. Anyway, Ghost Facing

(05:26):
Ray Kwan do very well together and on record, they
bounce off of each other very well. So they are
uh now, who's your favorite if you had to pick
one member of the Wu Tang clan that's like your
favorite rapper in the group, the Jessa, the Genius, I
like him a lot. I liked O d B a lot.

(05:46):
I like I like Meth Method man, I like I
like all of who To be honest, are they ghost face?
Got somebody? Still life? The world's normal? Do they still tour?
I hope? So it's a lot the egos. Man, it's
a lot of them. Man, how do you do that?
How do you that's like? Look, the Jackson five couldn't
stay together and they were brothers. How do you do

(06:07):
when we go on the road eventually touring this show,
I feel like your ego is gonna sore like an
eagle out of control. It depends on if they you're
gonna have demands you're gonna have in your rider. There's
gonna be all sorts of rules, no eye contact. It
all depends on how loud they applaud for me. If

(06:27):
they applaud for you louder than they applaud from me,
I feel like I'll fall into a little you know,
I'll back into it going applaud for me more than
they applaud for you. You damn right, man, I want
my bus to be bigger. Yeah, we're gonna measure up.
We're gonna have the same bus. Listen when Dan, We're
gonna bring Dan and Joel and Dan's gonna bring his
thunderous applause button so we'll be able to augment whatever

(06:51):
the crowd does. We'll be able to augment the audience.
You ever, We'll look at an award show and you
hear the applause on an award show, and then you
look around and no one's clapping, like like like no
one in an awards show is paying attention, so that
they'd be they'd be like a third of them clapping,
so they just augment all this thunderous applause. Well, that's
gonna be what Dan is doing for us when we're
on tour with this show. So before we before we

(07:13):
start the show, Dan, I'll be like, all right, so
I need some thunderous applause from you guys, okay everybody,
and now I need some laughter, need some laughter, and
gonna bring it. No, bro, He's just gonna bring it.
It'll be, it'll be, it'll be a buttony. Well, hell yeah,
he's gonna be he's gonna bring it. Dan always brings it. Yeah,
Dan's gonna bring it, dude, he's gonna bring it. Of
course he brings it. Apause, I think we're probably gonna

(07:39):
play arenas and um and we're gonna and we're gonna
need to do sound checks at these arenas. If we
play arenas, imagine that. Imagine we go to London and
what's the big arena too, and we play the O two.
That would be the best day of my life. I'm
gonna tell you something right now, London, make it happens.

(08:01):
Let's put it out there, like I'm sure. I'm sure
we're gonna be playing like theaters, but in reality, let's
secret it that we sell out the arena for fake
doctor's real friends. That would be the best. That would
be the best night of my life. Listen, you gotta
put ship out there. I gotta put outrageous ship out
there and and make it come true. Remember I told

(08:22):
you about the white board. You get a white board
and you write the most outrageous ship you want to
have happened in your life, and you look at it
every single day. Who'd you say, did that? Um? Well,
I have a lot of people in my life and
told me this. But the great anecdote I referenced on
the show was I'm friends with John, the Legends manager,

(08:42):
and they her name is Ty and they went to
high school together. And she said when he first started,
they got a big white board and they were putting
them out. They were like, let's be outrageous, like I
don't know, cover of Time magazine, like this, many Grammys.
They were like sitting there laughing about the outrageous ship
they were putting on this whiteboard. And she hern to
me and she said, every single thing on that white
board happened, and uh and and she said that now

(09:05):
I do white boards with all my clients and and like,
you know, so anyway, it's about manifesting. It's about making
shit happen. I have a white board in my bedroom
and I'll some something's on there are like goals I have,
and something's on there are like outrageous. I mean, obviously
we're not gonna sell it, Arena, but I'm saying you can,
you can, you know, put that ship on the board.
It could happen. It happened for John Legend man. The

(09:25):
dude's got egot. He got the egot let's make it happen. Dude, Well,
maybe we have to bring John Legend. If it was
like if we opened for John Legend, Let's do it.
Let's call Legend. Yeah, man, listen, the guy's got an egot. Okay,
so put your egot on your board. I believe in
it because you look at the board every day and
even your subconscious brain, your mind is going, I'm gonna

(09:47):
find a way to work on that today. I'm gonna
make that call I I'm afraid to make. I'm gonna,
you know, some for some people, it's fitness. They're like,
you know what, I just looked at that white board
and I gotta get on the trap bill today. I
promise myself. I like this. I'm gonna I'm gonna put
the white board in my in my bedroom, white share
with Casey and gonna be like, baby, let's put the
most outrageous on this board. I'm telling you listeners, this

(10:10):
is the you know, Burnet Brown very popular. This is
our Burnet Brown moment. This is our self help motivational
moment on Fake Doctor's Real Friends. You can make anything happen. Okay, dude,
I love this, I love this. I love you. I
love that we did this together, the four of us
and our and our listeners. What do you make that

(10:30):
ship happen? Let's do it. I have a sweatshirt on
today because of those Bieber things. No, it's Mickey Mouse,
you know, my my, my forty something crisis is is
being managed by just getting lots of tattoos. Nice. Good
for you, man. I was always afraid to get tattoos
because my father hated them. And when my sister died,
I got her name in Hebrew on my on my arm,

(10:53):
and my father kind of like was okay with that
because it was, you know, meaningful and it was Hebrew.
And then when he used away, like, I realized that
so much. Even though I was in my forties, I
still was so nervous about what my father would think.
And then I was like, all right, it's time to
tattoo the ship out of myself right on. So you're
gonna have a sleep soon. Well, I know about a sleep,
but where do you want your face? When I get it?

(11:14):
I was thinking my left aariola. I was thinking your
face for sure. I mean, what if I did you
on my pictoralis major and then listen and then your
mouth was open, but then in your mouth was my
left Gariola. That's weird. That's weird. I prefer you just
got my face on your face, like you took my
face and tattooed it on your face. He just had

(11:36):
a whole episode about this stuff. No, I didn't say
on his whole face, like my face on his cheeks.
I don't know. I don't black face. If I jumped
out on my face, Joel, can you imagine all you
can see, all you can pick up his him painting
my face on his face, and he wouldn't be face

(11:58):
off chats, but like a tattoo four man. No, it
would be an outline, Joel, Joel, it would be an outline.
Joel's like now managing all of our black face issues.
She's like, guys, sounding like that might be black Fred, Hey, guys,
I got to chime in here. That sounds like it
might be black, Joelie would be an outline. It wouldn't
be like colored in. It would be it would be
an outline of Donald's face. Well, I would just want

(12:20):
it on your cheek or on your forehead. You know.
By the way, the guy who tattoos me told me
that we were talking about all these young kids that
are getting tattoos on their face and how ridiculous it is.
And he said that he's really surprised that any of
these artists are doing it because there's sort of this
unwritten code amongst tattoo artists that you would never put
a tattoo on a on a young person's face, and

(12:42):
and because for obvious reasons, and he said, um, and
and now that there's this fad of it happening, he
thinks that're all just doing it for Instagram fame, because
these kids are often, um, you know, famous people, and
they're doing and saying, fuck it, I'm gonna get my
fifteen minutes of fame. But you know, I get these
young people that are all tattooing the shut of their faces. Dude,

(13:04):
you might not be able to get the money later,
you know what I mean, get the money now if
you can. That's that's the that's the yolo man. You
only live once. You know, you would tattoo a child's face. Donald,
I'm not, First of all, I am not a tattoo artist,
so I'll never have to put myself in this situation.
You just told these guys and tattoos, someone's face. I'm
saying that the reasoning behind it is this, dude, do

(13:27):
you you don't listen. If scrubs didn't happen, you don't
know what you would have done to make them to
make ends meet. If you're acting, if you're acting and
directing stuff, you know what I mean? You could have
gone into a business that you might not be proud of.
You might be Instagram model right now, the air and
a thong talking about you. I love how these girls

(13:49):
the Instagram influence people. He took like a little time
off for COVID and the Black Lives Matter movement, and
now they're all back, fucking tushes in the air, selling
tea on some yacht and abisa. Oh god, yolo. Nobody

(14:10):
says yolo anymore. They don't know TikTok dancing. I've been
inside so long, I have no idea what the kids
are saying. They're all on some old guy's yacht doing
a TikTok dance. But you know what, they must have
put that ship on a white board. Imagine that was
on the white board. Imagine that's the white board. You

(14:31):
want to be. That's their fucking white board. I want
to be on a yacht, having somebody paid for it,
making that Instagram money. That's what's up. That's what's there.
It is. Go for yours, listen. That's what I say
to everybody and anybody out there who has dreams and
they want fame. As long as you don't disrespect nobody

(14:52):
or hurt nobody, go for yours. Man. Yeah, but if
you can try and go for something that's contributes to
society in some meaningful way, sure you can on yourself
later on. You got to everybody has something to say.
I miss you so much at her, I miss you
so much more. Dude, should we get into the show?
Tom capitals here today. I'm so excited to count us
in seven stories about a show we made about a

(15:16):
bunch of dots and nurses. And Jan said, stories. So
get around here? Are ya around here? What a show?
What a show we have today? Donald, it's a really

(15:38):
good episode. And the hilarious Tom Kavanaugh is here. We
have so much to say. Let's just get in, Dan,
allow him into the room. Here he comes. I haven't
seen him in years. I haven't seen him in years.
Tom call applause, Damn thunders that there's applause. Look at
how handsome here, it's like, look at here, growing look

(15:59):
at him, like, look at the mirror. It's that's that's pandemic.
You got the pandemic face going on? How you did
get more handsome with age? Tom Cavanaugh? And I can
say that because people think we look alike. This is true.
I can say likewise, my friend, look at you guys,
My goodness, grads um, so good, so good to see
your faces. Holy. Are you living in Canada or do

(16:22):
you live in the US? Still? Well, I live in
New York, but I film a show in Canada, and
when the pandemic hit, I stuck it up north. Hi, Joel,
I'm Tom by the way. Yeah, I'm nice to meet
you in person. I listen. I listened to you guys,
so I've sort of been familiar with Do you know
how to watch your show? Right? You know? I watched
your show. I don't know that, but I know you

(16:44):
have like twenty seven children, so I figured maybe in
there in that demo somewhere. But now he's not watching
it for his kids, he's watching it for so for me.
I love the flash, dude, are you kidding me? Gotta
dynamite cast Donald is your target Ammo, Tommy, watch all
of this stuff. W is a bunch of teams? How

(17:06):
does how did listen? Man? Are you fine? Is this
the only wis? Listen? Man? Is this the only wells? Now?
Are you the only well? Is this? Is this the
final Wells? Because the Moti Verse, the crisis happened, and
everything happened, and you know, there's only what like four
earths five earths now in the whole arrow verse, and
now Supergirl lives on Earth one with you guys, and

(17:30):
I don't know. My point is, My point is, let
the man speak to no, no, no, keep going really excited.
I really do love the show. I really can love
the show. Now you and Cisco Ramon together, I love
Wells and Cisco Ramon. I love the whole thing. So look,
my question is, are you the only Wells left? Now
that you've gone off and you've become pariah and everything

(17:52):
like that? Is this the only wells there is? Here's
what's ridiculous about doing the show a superhero, a show.
I run into people like like you, and I just
I'm so inferior with my knowledge. I'm like, you know more,
you know more than me, and I'm not exaggerating. I'm
not trying to play Donald like. I understand by listening

(18:12):
to you that you have a better grasp of the
whole thing than I do. I feel like, as you
guys know, when you do a long running television show,
if there needs to be another Wells, there can be
another Wells. I thought, yeah, absolutely, here's the thing. Can

(18:33):
you explain Donald? First of all, catch your breath now, Okay,
you're embarrassing us in front of our guests. Listen, this
is this is exactly what I did to George Lucas
Man is exactly what I can get too hot. And
by the way, when this show is over, he's gonna
take a nap because he's gonna get woozy. He gets
very amped up and then he gets woozy. This is
This is all the fans out there who were wondering
how I keeek out when I when I meet or

(18:55):
talk to people that do something that I'm like holy
shit about. This is it right here? I can't breathe
right now, sweating. I know I have a sweatshirt on,
but I'm sweating under here alright, But calm down now.
For those of you who don't know, Tom is on
the Flash. And as I understand it, with the c
W superhero shows, you bounce around to the other shows
in the same universe, right, that's all. They're all under

(19:15):
the Greg Berlandy umbrella. I'm g the golden boy of
Hollywood that used to bea Bell Lawrence is now Greg
Berlanti and Ry has he has a four shows on
the air. By my very first job, Tom Calvin Well
first lead in the movie was Broken Hearts Club, Greg
Berlandi's first movie. That's tremendous, and um and now and
and and he we went to Northwestern together and he

(19:38):
now he's like, has the most shows on television of anybody.
You and I when we were talking about doing your podcast. Uh,
the text that came up right next to that text
the last time we talked, I can, I can I
read a text that you as long as it's not
like you up, it's quite we It's like four in

(20:00):
the morning and I'm hammered you up. It's solid comedy.
It's uh, you say, um, tell Berlantia want to do
a cameos reverse Flash's brother. I say done. You say,
totally unbuild though a surprise, but I'll need special powers.
I say make a list, power list, nothing with heavy hammers.
That ship is boring. You say laser eyes please, I

(20:23):
would say those are free. That sounds great. I feel
like it's a miss. Why did that never happen? I
feel like now I've done this and I know that
don't wants to be on board. I feel like now
it's now. Now you're forcing his hand because you're putting
it out to the public and I was going to
have to hire you. I we were talking about white
boards and putting manifesting your destiny onto white boards. This

(20:46):
is on my white board. I'm putting it out there
right now. I want to call BERLANDI and I had
to call him about something else. Um, but I'm want
to call BERLANDI and say, listen, Tom said I could
be on the show. Yeah. I had that kind of ball. Yes.
I spoke to Tom. He said, like, hang on a second, Tom, Yeah,
he's got He's got so many he's got so many shows.

(21:08):
He's like Tom, Tom Tom Tom. He's like, I know
he is, I know who he is. And then he
called he calls to his secretary. Do we still do flash? Yeah?
But by the way, how funny would that be if
Donald and I came on. I mean, I don't. To
be honest, I don't. I don't get breathless about this
superhero stuff like Donald, but he really loves it. So sorry,

(21:30):
I digress the point, you should do it. I know.
The other thing you should do do you should figure
out knowing it as you do. You should figure out
what the what the role is that you want because
I know what role I want, you want, I want
to listen. I'm gonna put it out there. What do
you want to hope you guys kind of opened it
up when Arrow ended, and I know, I'm not sure

(21:53):
if you guys are allowed to touch it. You kind
of touch on it in Star Girl. But I think
Green Lantern needs to be in this you know what
I mean. Joel is a Joel is a big fan
of this world too, and there's so many there are
so many that are in the Lantern Court. And I
know that you know. And also size doesn't matter when

(22:13):
you're a lantern. You could be tiny, you could be why,
you could be right, come on, man. Anyway, My point
is I think that's one character that would be a
lot of fun, uh to play. You know, they entered
there's so many people in the d C universe. But
if I had a choice and they were willing to
do it, I would love to be Green Lantern. And

(22:36):
I think that's really special. And dear to Greg, so,
I think that's great. You're making this happens. And the
Green can the Green Lanterdy, he can be anything, he
could be any. Look, I'm playing yellow. I'm wearing yellow
super suit. And sorry, Tom, for those of us who

(22:58):
don't know, and I'm sure of our listeners don't know,
can you just explain in in non superhero terms, what
reverse flash means? There is there a young guy flash. Yes,
there's a good looking It's kind of like when we
did Scrub, Like a good looking, handsome guy is the lead,
and then they cast this guy is his brother Bell

(23:19):
Lawrence have lost a bet somewhere. So basically a young guy. Tom.
When you insult your looks, you insult my looks, I apologize.
So you're a handsome you look like real pit to
me when you when you when you came on, I
thought we got I thought we got Tom Kavanaugh. Why
is Brad Pitt on the podcast? That's what that's what
you thought? Okay, sorry? What is the reverse flash? For

(23:40):
those of us. So he's the he's the Joker to
the Batman, a Lex Luthor to the He's the bad
guys that we have. A young fellow, Grant Gustin plays
the Flash and the arch Enemy is the reverse Flash.
He wears a red suit, and I play the arch Enemy,
the reverse Flash of art On. I wear a yellow suit.
And that's kind of it. Are you doing lots of
stunts and fighting? Yeah? Yeah, can you imagine it's crazy?

(24:01):
You know that bucket list that you have as a
as an actor, and you want to do this theater,
You want to do this show. You want to do
something like you want the white board. Yeah, the white
We started, we started the show time before we came on,
talking about just manifesting things. A boy putting on a
white board and staring at it. And it was weird
to be in your green room and not have the
speakers going, I'm like, I wonder what they're talking about.

(24:23):
We were talking about you, we were talking about manifesting,
and then you well, that's exactly. That's a great that's
such a great call. This is one of those things
I never would have expected to do a superhero show,
and it's a you know, in terms of a bucket list,
it's it's so fun. Yeah, you guys look like you
have a lot of fun on it, and it has
no end in sight. On your show, it has no
end in sight. I mean, I just feel like they

(24:43):
Greg Berlin keeps adding more and more to this, to
this world, right, I don't know if they're all they
all must be successful because they all keep going. I honestly,
I honestly don't know. I never would have thought. I
think when they started a number of years ago, they had, uh,
they've done super you know, what was the Superman show?

(25:03):
And um, and then they did the Arrow and Arrow
I think did well. And then but when we started flash.
You you guys, you guys all know how it is.
We started flashing, I said to my wife, well, doesill
be canceled? And seven So I'll go up to Vancouver
from New York and we'll shoot and then it'll get canceled.
Because even at that time I had done two shows
for Greg and both of them had been canceled relatively quickly,

(25:26):
because that's just how it goes. And so I didn't
foresee it, you know, I just I never expected to
go and this thing seemed to go. And even when
you say there's no end in sight, I still expect
that you'll just get the call that hey, so we're done.
You just never know. For those who not in the
entertainment story, we just we just never know. You know.
You get you get a show like Scrubs and you're like, oh, yeah,

(25:47):
this could go six episodes and then it goes nine
years or you know, or or you know, Donald's did
this show, um and it won a season, And I
did a show one a season. You just you just
have every single time, it's a roll the dice, no
matter you know, no matter how many good ingredients there are,
you just never know. Yeah, and most of the time
the numbers are it's gonna get canceled. It's not going

(26:08):
to go, especially now more than ever, because you know,
it's there's so much content. How the hell does the
something fine eyeballs? You know, when you're on you're on
the classic old school true network. You know, um, you
guys do twenty four episodes a season. Do you know
what it's like to be able to do something? Most

(26:29):
I remember, I remember I did a show called The
Excess right after Scrubs. Right of course, we did ten
episodes a season. That was it For an actor. It's like, wait, well,
hold on, let's I want to be I want to
work all year round if I possibly can. It was
really weird to work ten episodes and then have all

(26:51):
of this time off until you came back and did
another ten or you would do what we would do
thirty and they would just chop it up into episodes.
It was like you never really find you never really
find a pace or a footing. It's like, well, how well,
how long have we going? We've only got to do
ten twenty two? You guys seem to you know, you
live in Canada right now? Ye? Yeah, Vancouver, Vancouver, Canada,

(27:15):
coniferous jewel of the city. Have you guys been I have.
I love that town top. I think it's a beautiful city.
I love it there. I was there when the sun
was out and it was magnificent, and then I was
told that it's not always like that, and I don't
know if I would if I would like that rainy
it's a yeah, it's a it's a question of takes,
like when the sun shines, is no finer place. I
don't mind the rain, but I think if you were

(27:36):
somebody that didn't like rain and preferred like seasons and snow,
then this city would not be for you. But it
really is. It really is a coniferous jewel of the city.
And are you mostly on stages and such or do
you go out and shoot on locations? And it's, uh,
it's almost follows a pretty regular schedule where we do
a lot of stage work early in the week and
then we do all this the stunt stuff. You know,

(27:59):
it's always you know, so Thursday, Friday nights, we're gonna
be we're gonna start you know, five pm, and we're
gonna go all night and we're gonna like, you know,
have the guy run up a building and fight a
monster and then like we're gonna come back and win.
You know. So you kind of you kind of you
kind of have to stay in shape for this thing.
Like you're you're asked to do way more than you
expected to do when you started. Huh. It's a blessing
and a curse, you know, because the other thing is

(28:20):
too as you guys know to like, I mean, I'm
older than you guys, but there's a there's a thing
where you when you were a young actor, you could
be vain, but you wouldn't really matter because you're probably
gonna look fine, you know. And then you get a
little bit older, and then your coach, the people you're
acting with, your co actors are twenty you know, and

(28:42):
they're fantastic. And then there's you, you know, and he's
he looks great in the suit. And then you can't
really be on the donut diet while you're on the suit,
so you kind of have to keep keeping in shape,
you know. And so it's you hang out with Jessel
Martin a lot. Jesse is a legend, as you guys know,
coming from the either. He's just he's amazing. He's got

(29:02):
this thing sucks because he's the captain. You know, he
can he working with a hat and an overcoat. He
doesn't have to worry too much of it, you know.
Like he's just like he's kind of like he runs.
He basically is the beating heart, you know, runs the show,
the center of you know, reason, and uh, you know,
he's he's got a great job and appreciate it. So

(29:23):
tom Um when ed when the show ed, I want
to talk to about that. When it came out, I
was an unemployed actor and my mom called me a
very very concerned that I that I that I had
gotten a lead in the TV show and not told
her because she didn't understand why why I was on
billboards all over the country. And it is I mean, no,

(29:48):
it is, I mean she she she obviously sucks that
it was not me, but she was like, there is
a young man. He was on every billboard in town
and he looks a lot like you. And I remember thinking, oh, yeah,
my mom, that's that's not me. Uh yeah, I'm still
still trying to get some auditions going and uh and uh.

(30:09):
It was really humbling because I was like that fucking
guy who looks exactly like me as a as a
hit show leading role on NBC. Now, no one's ever
gonna hire me. By the way, Dak Sheppard, who also
looks like us, so told me this. He was like
when I was, when I was, you know, became famous
and was all over the place, he was like, well,
how is this gonna suck my career? Because I look

(30:30):
like that guy and that guy's already working And so anyway,
I wanted to talk to you about ED and and
tell us I imagine that was your big break, right,
I mean, I know you worked a bunch, but that
was your first your own show, right for sure? I
mean first off, Das and you have done quite well
for yourselves. Worked out, right, Romano, guys, so was right, Romano,

(30:52):
Yes it worked out. It didn't work out, but yeah,
I had done. I'm Canadian, and um, I had I
moved to New York City and I think eighty nine
to do Broadway. I did like a decade of theater
um and um, I absolutely loved it, absolutely how to
present and loved it. And then I had done a

(31:13):
small guest spots for literally for ten years on ABC NBC.
Back then it was like just the four, right, and
I've done a show called Providence and then. But I
had no idea of the profile that you guys enjoyed
on Scrubs because the shows, A lot of the shows
that I've done, when they were television shows or series.

(31:33):
I've done a couple of series in Canada, they were
Canadian shows, um, And there's no cross border pollination between
the two countries. Um. In other words, you'll shoot a
show in Canada and you'll do ten episodes. But everybody
in Canada is watching Friends. You know, I was watching
these who's watching these Canadian shows, Well, it's it's different.
In Canada. There's a federal mandate for these television shows,

(31:57):
so they do them um and some of them are
quite quite good. And there's not a there's not a
mill the way there is behind um the entertainment industry
in the States. Up in Canada, it doesn't you know
what part of the ethos of the country is like, well,
let's not get too big for ourselves then, you know,

(32:17):
and so and in the States it's very much the opposite,
like let's see how we can build up and how
big we can get. And why that, uh, why that
ethos is good is that you know, you you if
you're working as an actor, you're working largely because you
love it, because a lot of the attention, at least
back then. Now it's different because everything can be found.

(32:39):
But back then, you know, you were you were doing
the same stuff we would do on scrubs that you'd
come to set and there's all the you know, the crew,
and there's the people and it's and it's great and
you love it. And then you leave set and it's
still the exact same experience. It's just that you're not
going to Radio City Music Hall and doing the upfront, right,
I mean, and so, but it's nice and it's to

(33:00):
range way because you understand that, oh, this is this
is what I love to do. And by the time
I got ED, like you know, fifteen years later, it
was I was aware enough that it was still the
same experience. And so even though suddenly, like you say,
there was like billboards plash it all over the place,
I was readily aware that, you know, that that was

(33:22):
all that that thing get ripped away and it's semi superficial,
and so I think that was a nice little I
don't know what it would be like to have your
face plastered all over the place when you're in your
mid twenties. I think it would be a I think
it would be a tough fight. We we didn't get
a big billboard by y NBC didn't go They certainly
went all in. Whoever made the billboard decision for ED

(33:44):
went all in. And by the time Scrubs came on,
they were like, dude, remember a few years ago we
shot our billboard budget on ED. We have no billboard. Yeah,
I'm so sorry about that, because that's why that's why
you guys didn't get that big bill. What was funny
is like I remember when the when Scrubs started, how
just how much of a splash it made. I'm sure

(34:05):
you can remember, and it's not lost on you. How
like big a deal that that was, Like that show
was so important, it seemed at the time it was
bizarre for us because also, you know, we compare it
to now, you know, the amount of people watching a
single TV show just doesn't happen anymore, especially live, um

(34:25):
we really even at all, but let alone live when
it's airing. So it was a completely different era. And
that's that would watch at our worst, at our worst
TV shows. Now if they got our worst numbers right, yes,
they would be considered hit shows, you know, I mean yeah, Now,
now a tom Um was was ed written for you?
Or did you audition? No? No, no, they didn't No, No,

(34:48):
that was again that was NBC. They didn't want me
um at all, Like we had to. They went through
I think a year of casting known people and um,
you know, better humans, you know, and then well, you know,
just just some people that who aren't in the entertain industry. No,
they'll often try and get a known star, that's right,

(35:09):
and if that doesn't always work out for the reasons,
and then they go, Okay, well let's start to read
people that aren't famous yet, and which is when this
is how people like the two of you. Well, yeah,
I mean exactly exactly. It's exactly how both Tom and
I got our parts. Exactly. I was like the third
I think, the third round or so of doing it.
The only reason I have that job. I remember how

(35:31):
generous you were at Bill's um we had the party,
and he was you know, you were like, you were
just so gracious about because you're clearly incredibly talented, and
yet you had to wherewithal to say, I owe so
much to to this guy. And I had the same story.
There's uh Robernette and John Beckaman who ran the Late

(35:53):
Show with Letterman. Were those are the guys that are
the reason I got the job, As those guys said,
this is the guy, and and you know, they managed
to have enough stock that people would listen to them.
And without without somebody standing up for you, sometimes you
just it just doesn't you know, it doesn't go your way.
Those people are the only reason I got that job.

(36:14):
Do you know how many times you auditioned? I know
I auditioned once in Los Angeles, and uh, you know
how it is when you're like, oh, that that went well,
you feel good about it. But I was also like, okay,
it was pilot season and it was like one read
during the day, but it felt good. And then then
they called me to to have the the sessions that

(36:35):
they do, they have a studio session in a network session,
and um, it was very It was like and this
is uh, I hope this isn't boring. I don't mean
to talk about but they we went and we had
to do it. It It was at CBS at the time.
By the way, I don't know if you guys know
that show. That was CBS not NBC, and and CBS
ultimately I didn't think so they got picked up at CBS,

(36:58):
and then CBS ever aired the show, and then a
year later NBC picked it up, which is weird. So
that never happens. Never happened. Every time you make a pilot,
it's always such a bizarre thing, both when I've been
in them or when I've directed them. You put so
they put so much money in, they put so much
work in, and then a network chooses what they choose,
and then the discards are like they have like the

(37:19):
smell of shit on them. No one will touch them,
and it's like, it's like, what someone just spent six
million dollars making this pilot. You could look at it
and maybe recapt maybe you could recast some things. You
could you could reshoot half of it. Whatever, Why are
you throwing it all the way? It's so it's always
a bizarre waste of money to me, because there's there's
there's diamonds in the rough that no one is so

(37:41):
this situation is very rare. That then another networking Wade mane,
we'll take it. I don't know that it ever happened
before with CBS. I think from what I the only
reason that that happened was again because Robert net And
ran The Letterman Show. It was because Leediman had such
a big he was such a big paycheck. He's such

(38:02):
a big entity at the time. That was the only
reason I think that that that card. If a producer
didn't have that card to say, that would probably have
never never happened. But when I went into to read,
you know estensively the thing was a comedy with heart,
and so you know, you know, you know how these
It's so funny how these things change. So I went

(38:23):
in to read. I was solid and funny in the
room and made them laugh. And then normally, okay, the
job is yours, this is at the network read. But
then somebody, you know, twenty five people in the room,
and somebody starts going, but but what about this this
I don't like this about him? And then that sort
of you know, the next thing, you know, you had
it and then you don't have it. And I remember

(38:44):
Rob and John came out and robbed was. He had
this real serious face and he's like, look, so they
don't know if you can. They don't know if you
can do straight drama. So uh, even though it was
a comedic scene about a guy finding out that his
wife is leaping with a mailman, and uh, they're like,
you just need to do that scene again and throw

(39:05):
out all the comedy and play it like, you know,
play it like a Shakespeare tragedy. I was like okay,
and I went in and did that and you know,
just completely straight as possible, and they were like, okay,
he can. He can do that too. It's so amazing.
Exact same speech I got pretty much really fucked up,
pretty much when they weren't say Donald legit sucked out.

(39:26):
He didn't say he sucked up. You know I didn't.
When I were auditioned for Scrubs. I got real big
in the audition because it was a comedic scene, and
I got real big and animated, and Bill had to
come out and be like, dude, tone that ship down, yeah,
because it's funny, as you know, like I think sometimes
an executive, here's another executive speaking, goes I better way

(39:48):
in as well, you know. So suddenly they're like he's big. Yeah,
he's too bad, Yeah, he's too bid. Suddenly becomes thing
and you're like, oh no, if if actors, only if
actors who have yet to be in one of these
rooms only knew how oh my gosh, the tight up
you're walking to try and get a fucking roll, oh dude,
and how it just it just falls on one person
being like I don't don't know what if, and then

(40:10):
all of a sudden you didn't have the part anymore,
and you want the part for a second. Right, I've
been in the room and watch somebody destroy it, like
kill it, come in and destroy it, and then someone
else come in and do a really good job, but
not destroy it. And and I saw the first person obviously,
and one person in the room was like, well, you

(40:30):
know what, I'm not sure that they actually look like
the part. You know what, You're right, they don't necessarily
look like the part. And all of this doubt happened,
and the person that crushed it did not get the role,
and the person that just did good got the role
because there was to this. It's crazy. I was once
working on something and this girl came in and uh,

(40:53):
she was young, you know, she was like a young
Jennifer Garner type. She was really pretty, she was early
twenties and super ex appressive and funny, and I thought
that she should get the part. Another girl came in,
very very funny. Well he could have done it too,
but but I I preferred the first girl. I thought
she was better. One of the executives goes regarding the
first girl the young Jennifer Garner type, but she goes,

(41:15):
she's very expressive. Should we worry about her wrinkling early?
Oh wow, now, mind you, this is like a twenty
early twenties something, your own girl, and she's very pretty,
and um, the not only is that the most ludicrous

(41:35):
thing you can ever imagine other human being saying, but
in your mind, the show is gonna go so many
years that that she that her her her wrinkles that
come from her being expressive, We're going to be a problem.
I mean, it was the most ludicrous thing I've ever
heard him a whole it's appalling. The other part of
it is actors can act, you know, and so so
I don't have many times so like you've done a

(41:56):
thing and then like, yeah, the feedback is, yeah, we
wanted a little bigger. It's like, say that ship, why
don't you let me do the whole audit? Listen? Man,
why did you let me do the hold audition that big?
Then if that's the case, somebody in the room could
have said, hey, you know what, I love your choice.
You could be diplomatic about it. I loved your choice. Listen.

(42:16):
Can you tone it down a little bit this time?
You know what I mean? That never happens anymore, dude.
I do remember though, back in the day when I
was going out for auditions and it would be like
somebody who was from the urban or from the streets
and stuff like that, and you'd get the can you
can you spice it up a little dog and you
can't something? Can you can you? Can you put a

(42:37):
little sauce on that? How would they say it? Like?
What's the worst face? One would say that, can you
spice it up? A little bit? Spice? And you'd be
like what I had a producer say to me once
about a script. She goes, you know, she was an
old lady. She goes, you know you could go black
with it, and I go, okay, Yeah, that's that's a

(43:00):
there's no reason. She goes, you know, they're doing their thing.
She did that jest. You guys can't see the gesture.
I mean she's sort of rocked back and forth. She goes,
you know, they're they're doing their thing. It was one
of the most all created things I've ever witnessed. I go, okay,

(43:20):
so you want them to do their thing? I got it?
Oh my god, should we get it? We have to
take a break, probably break, and then we're gonna get
into the episode. All right, we'll be right back with
the Tom Kavanaugh ever bad. So we always talked about

(43:48):
how everybody met Bill and how you came to this show.
You wound up doing the show for several seasons, lots
of episodes you might have. You must have been one
of our most recurring guest stars. I don't know that,
but I can tell you I was always hugely grateful
to get the call. I sort of feel like even

(44:08):
being on this podcast is sort of like I've sort of,
like I was telling your producers, I've sort of like
gloamed my way on by, like you know, that's somehow
this got put out there. But I also felt that
same way about Scrubs, Like I don't really do Scrubs,
but I sort of like piggybacked on the back of
their success. And I've been basically a parasite this whole time,

(44:29):
and I'm so so grateful for it because people loved
you on the show. Tom. Sorry, it's funny, how like no, no,
but it's funny. How like when you like ed isn't anywhere,
you can't find it anywhere. Most of this a lot
of stuff that's harder, harder to find. And I would
say Scrubs is the thing even though you know you
guys were you get all. You guys did such a
great job and I did nothing. I still get recognized

(44:52):
all the time from I hear people all the time.
I want to say, hey, little brother, or they remember this,
remember the bathtub episode. I remember this kind of thing.
You know, I was like ninety years ago, and people
are still like, it's still resident, it's on comedy Santo.
It's just like it's it's lovely to be associated with
your success. Well, people really loved you on the show.
They really um. You know when when when Donald and
I talked about having guests on UM, a lot of

(45:14):
people um asked for the Tom Kavanov but um, but
wait a second, sorry, go back to what Donald asked,
how did you come about? How did it come about?
Did you know Bill? Or was it the obvious that
people thought he's on NBC he looks like Zach that
kind of thing. No. I I think I had been
uh friendly with Bill, and we weren't We weren't friends

(45:36):
before we sort of became friends throughout, but we had
you know, had spoken and gotten along UM and he uh,
he and his wife had always been like quite a
friendly and generous and stuff. And so I think it
must have been him saying, Okay, I know Tom. I
I have a friendly relationship with him, and so this

(45:58):
seems like a natural fit because of how we how
we look, I think you run into people and you're like,
I would like to work with this person again, you
know what I mean? That happens occasionally, and it almost
never happens. I think all your intentions are always great,
and yet you're still trying to have a job and survive,
and so sometimes it's quite quite difficult, given you know,

(46:18):
it's very difficult to repatriot again. So um, I think
I think maybe we got along and then he was like,
oh this is this could be a nice little one off,
but then it end up being more, which is tremendous
because you're really good on the show. Man. Also, you know, uh,
I we talk about this all the time and remembering
the shows. This is one of we talked about it

(46:39):
so much that it's become a Bingo's one of the
Bengo questions, Like somebody made a Bingo sheet, and on
the Bengo sheet it says they'll talk about at some point,
you know, if they talk about not remembering the show,
you get a letter, right, And this is one of
those moments because I really didn't remember this episode that much.

(47:00):
I knew the first episode I'll remember you want is win? Uh.
John Ritter passed away and then you out of nowhere.
It was like, yo, you know what, I'll come in
and now and that this one that's not this one,
that's not this one at all. That was another significant
one that was such a again, you know, I think
I don't know if you have because you're there, you
have no basis of comparison for for you people. You

(47:22):
guys were like all your all, your all, Your group
was such a welcoming you know. It's it's it's interesting
because when you go through, you know, thirty years of
this stuff, it's not always you know, it's not always
a group like that, you know, and I obviously don't
know all the inside stories and stuff because I would
just come in and out. But but being in a
place where you felt welcomed and um encouraged and uh,

(47:47):
the idea is that that you guys. I can remember
laughing so hard at the stuff you guys would do
that wasn't in the script, knowing that you would do
this stuff verbatim as it was in the script, knowing
that you would get your blows, your chances later. And
I thought, this is incredible, this this environment. I remember
use act doing one of I've seen like the actor
who played Ross Keeller, David Swimmer run into a he

(48:08):
had an open laundry door and he like hits his
head on it and falls over there. That's one of
the most solid modern day platfalls. And you did one
to do a glass door that was like we're just
we're just watching, you know, we weren't sitting by the monitors.
And I was like, I remember thinking this and this
is like years ago. Remember thing is I could watch
him do this all day every time. You didn't get

(48:29):
tired of it. You can't do it every time you
did it. It was like it seemed like that in
the last I wanted to get it right, you know.
I I so enjoyed doing the physical comedy and and
I would get competitive just with myself wanting to be
wanting to wanting to make a really good one. And
and uh, you know that was a bit of my
that was my sport if you will try to be
good at it. I remember one time in one of

(48:49):
the episodes, you jumped out and I just improvd monster. Yeah.
And you know, the funding about the show, as you
were just saying, was there was such a vibe of
just safety, that is this is a safe environment, go nuts,

(49:09):
do be adventurous. You know, Bill will tell you, you know,
obviously get do it is written, but he'll tell you
if he wants you to bring it down. But I
was just watching this your first episode, and you were
making such bold and such tricky which is tricky because
you know, we bound the show, we're regulars, we're there
all the time. We had we had kind of built
up that comfortable nous for a guest star to come

(49:30):
on and be like, all right, I'm gonna do a
bold character. I'm gonna make bold choices. I was really
I was really impressed with you just watching it back,
because it's one thing if you do it like on
your fifth episode. Here you are is your first time
on set, your guest star of a of a show
that's that's really popular, and you you came up with
this character that which was nothing like your character on
ED and was just bold and funny. But it was

(49:53):
probably a lot to do with, like I say, just
being around a place where people are like, hey, have
have fun, enjoy I think I think it it just
bears repeating that your show is such a such a
place where you know, you welcome people to do that
very thing you're talking about. I remember also being so impressed.

(50:14):
I'm started to talk on about it, but it just
it just seemed like remember season six coming in and
doing something, and I remember thinking, I remember watching on
different shows I've done, how you know people buy into like, well,
how what what's our place in the universe of television?
Like are we popular? Are we? You know? Are we
getting enough attention? And um and I think you guys

(50:35):
probably had you know, the NB why don't they promoting
us all that kind of stuff. But but I remember
coming in on season six and watching you had settled
into this thing like this is us and this is
for us, and it was such a smart and intelligent
way to understand that life is fleeting, this is fleeting,
and so let's just all be for this show. And

(50:55):
when you when you come from a different place and
you come into that, influenced me for the rest of
my career to go, this is really what you want.
People who are having each other's backs, who are for
each other, who want to just do this scene right
now as best as they can, and what more is that? Yeah,
speaking of doing a scene, really well, how fucking funny

(51:17):
are you stealing the lab code and going in to
attend to a patient. That ship was hilarious Mr before.
But before we do that, let's get into this uh recap?
Oh yes, sorry, so Tom every episode Donald will sum
it up. He has thirty seconds I time? Yes, okay,

(51:40):
so Donald, hold on getting my stop watch up. He's
been crushing it lately. He's gotten a little cocky. Uh
uh and and and and ending early, which I don't like.
I like you to fill your time now this might
go over. Okay on your mark, get set go. J
D's brother Dan comes to visit. He recks havoc on
all of j these relationships. J D wishes his brother

(52:02):
would just grow up. Turke and Cocks are beefing again,
this time because both have good arguments on why their
departments are better at saving lives. By the act break
j D and Turk our shame Turk of himself, j
D of his brother. For Turkey, it takes a lesson
from an unexpected person for him to regain faith that
he's doing his job the right way. For j D,
it's him learning and understanding that not all people are

(52:24):
built the same. Some people are content with who they are.
How far did I go? Over. It's thirty six, but
you had some funk ups, and I think the audiences
will give you. I thought it was amazing. It's well done.
It's well done. I think when you were hurt, I
don't think you werehearsed this time. Sometimes he's just freaking
We're an hour into the damn show. I expected to
do that. We didn't know that Tom calvan I was

(52:47):
gonna be so interesting, and I didn't someone's gonna be
this interesting. So you're saying we were gonna get into
the show early. You're saying is that you were hearsed
right before he went on the air. And now you're rusty,
and that was rusty. If you give me another chance,
I bet it's better. No on here again. Good job.
You know what we'll you know what we'll have, Dan,
I'm speeding up a little bit now. We can't do
well done though. That's that's the episode to remind Tom.

(53:12):
We did this as a service to people who want
a brief reminder of what the episode was Tom. Tom
comes to visit me. He's been driving a car across
the country as a for for three and uh. He
has no fear of Dr Cox, which is just mind
boggling me, and I'm squirming. I'm squirming as he meets
Cox for the first time and is fucking with Dr Cox. Yeah,

(53:35):
that would be the best day of my life. If
I went to my brother's job and he had a
loss that was bullying him, and I could freaking and
I know that no matter what, he's got to get
bullied anyway, I'm gonna fux some ship up. Then how
about this work. You gotta mess with my little brother.
Now I'm gonna mess with you. You remember, I think

(53:55):
I remember on the day Tom even being nervous in
real life that because I was so you know, Johnny
was Johnny and I we we were versions of our
characters and and we would just play that. Now you
came in as an alpha fucking with him, and I
think I think I recalled even on the day being
a little uncomfortable. But it sure he didn't. I'm sure

(54:16):
he didn't because nobody in that hospital, in the real
world or on or in the world of the show
fucked with him, and he had gotten quite comfortable with that.
And now here's someone who looks just like me with him.
But that was great. And then so the let's talking
about that Rickles moment. That was pretty funny. That ship
was hilarious. I love the fact that the reason why

(54:39):
it's gonna happen is because he here's Bambi and you're like,
all right, I don't want you to call me bamb
before the rest of my life with La La. And
he walks in, and he goes, and you know, and
and and we find out just before he walks in
that the guy's got to live and that the surgery
was everything was a success. And the first thing Tom says,
Dan says is it was touching going for the yeah.

(55:04):
And then he goes, you got out. We gotta look
out for those little rickles and he goes he's like
the kids there, and then I go, okay, thank you.
When you go, damn it, bammy, I'm busy to find
a good nurse these days. The shot was really funny

(55:25):
by Michael Spiller. When you when you turn around, I'm
always a sucker for the quick turnaround. Damn it, baby,
give me a second. Yeah, I'm busy. Hilarious And now
my nightmare would be my brother coming and flirting with
someone that I had feelings for um and let alone

(55:46):
also your friend. I mean This is like always awkward
when you have a friend that's like, I don't know
if this guy's ever happened to you were like, you
broke up with someone and then you see your friends
starting to like and you're like, what the fuck? And
and and I just I felt for j D as
you as you and Sarah are walking down the hall
and flirting, and it's awful. It's so fucking mean. It's awful. Yeah,

(56:09):
it's me, by the way, it's me on both parts.
It's mean on, it's mean on. I mean, you guys
have a brother. You guys those two characters had a
had a brother competition thing obviously, but the fact that
Elliott was so willing to just like dive in and
be all like Gigy, that was so cruel. Yeah, it
was mean. It was like, ah, he's so funny, and
he's not really that funny, but he was just being

(56:29):
You're like, oh, yeah, no, that's okay, you just uh
And then the idea that wait, this is actually happened.
This is happening. That is happening. You know. I love that.
I love the how he realizes it's happening out of nowhere.
You turned day tonight that was great. And then they
start totally making out and then and then they popped

(56:51):
back to reality. And then in reality, I yell, stop
your stop your stupid laughing. It makes you look like
a whore, and you're like kidding, just the worst thing
you could say. And then the way I did it
was like vomiting it up, like I couldn't. I couldn't
hold in the rain. You you skewed it out. Yeah,

(57:13):
laughing it makes you look like goodness, grace. Yeah, I
must have been tricky to shoot up. We must have
done the first part and then come back. We did.
We did. Then we came back at night and Sarah
had this idea, we're both chewing gum to like spit
the gum out, you know, and then like, you know,
have the all the one, two, three, four chewing gum

(57:33):
like throughout the whole scene or would you you both?
You know, sometimes when you're an actor, you know you're
gonna make out with someone, you want to have fresh
minty breath. Was it? I think she? I think she no.
I think she added gum later on because there was
one of two things. One is like you kissed the
person in they have the gum that you had in
your mouth not great or you know, pu pu and
I think she. We realized we could have a we

(57:55):
could double down on the comedy moment by spitting our
gum out. Before used to happen. We used to have
banaca on set, not not just for remember you guys
had you guys had them. You also had the yeah
does give you heartburn? Can't give me heartburn? Yeah? Both
both Donald and I would have too many and they
would give us heartburn. But the old school aerosol spray bannaca,

(58:18):
which is my favorite. We started having it just from
we had kissing scenes and we didn't want to have
bad breath for our scene partner. But then it became like,
you know, we're all friends in all up in each
other's faces all day long. We're like, let's make a
rule everybody, we don't have bad breath, and so we
would like just be spraying it NonStop. I remember it
became how many can you spray in your mouth? And
I burn his mouth like tin under the tongue, just

(58:42):
for ships and giggles. That's Eventually our boom operator vel
crowded one to the boom and uh and we called
it Boom knocka and we'd be like Kevin boom knocka
and he would just dip the boom down. We pull
the off off the mic. I was on deltrow and
then and tach it back up. That's great a right there. Yeah.

(59:04):
We thought he was gonna do it for like a
day as a joke. It was up there for years,
the same sat canister, hopefully hopefully changed out. Um. I
like when at five four when when Cox goes, well,
people please stop calling me and looks goes, hey, no,
I'm not sorry. How's it going. I'm nuts? He had

(59:28):
another one in there was like I don't have time
for pity or something like that. We're uh right, when
he's talking to Johnny Castle. Oh yeah, I wrote that
down too, and um, why does why does well? First
of all, when you scare me in the shower? Hilarious.
That was the first of many scares we did, like
ten We did ten. Do you remember that? We remember?
I remember waiting, waiting in the thing behind the curtain

(59:49):
and like thinking of this, maybe this one will do this,
Like there was we had like five or six different ones,
and I think the first one was really terrifying for you.
I remember that it's funny. I just put two and
two together that I guess we bought the clear shower
curtain that's in the opening of the show, right, because
wasn't there a clear shower curtain when you scare me? Yeah? No, no,
that isn't the shower curtain that it's opaque when I

(01:00:10):
come out because you don't see me. And then right
and it looks like it's clear. I thought, I have
I have because you have you guys have that runner
earlier on. Yeah, we're shopping for a clear shower curtain.
And then, um, where is it? It is? Uh five
thirty two. I'm just curious because they'd be funny if
we uh we happen to keep the shower Yeah, it's clear, goodness,

(01:00:33):
how could it? How can you act bought it? We
actually bought it. There you go, Okay, look at that continuity.
Um yeah, I mean I got air, dude, you scared
the shoot out of me, and I mean in real life,
and I think that the character. But I obviously had
a nice juicy map behind me because I like literally
flew up. Yes, it's solid, solid Zack Graft special. It's

(01:00:58):
good stuff. I laughed when Earn makes her own Halloween candy.
She says, she's dressed the first of all, and she's
dressed like raggedy Ann And uh, there's like this bowl
of popcorn and homemade lollipops and she says something like,
if you want name brand stuff, this fist is packed

(01:01:18):
with nuts or something. This episode, uh, was actually written
by Tim Hobert. I believe was he with us the
first season or he came in on second him was
not their first season, no, but he's a very funny writer.
So this is his first big episode. This is first
episode of the season then, and also Mike Spiller's back
as our director. This is the first episode in which

(01:01:41):
I read on scrubs wicky. Uh, this is the first
episode that you're ever called Gandhi by Dr Cox. That's interesting.
Sarah's sister is actually one of the interns in this episode. Also,
when coxes, I mean when Kelso is doing rounds in
the beginning, So just when when when Kelso pulls he
hates the costumes and he pulls some cat ears off,
and that's Sarah's sister, not not her younger sister. Obviously

(01:02:04):
that's not it's her older sister. And then I noticed
that Johnny Castle Uh playing Doug. He takes off the clown,
knows and kisses it. And I remember on the day
thinking that was so random and funny. But I have
no idea why he does it. It's very weird. Yeah, no,
I know exactly takes the clown that Kelsel says, take
that costume when he takes the nose off and he

(01:02:25):
looks at it and he gives a little kiss before
he puts, which is just so weird and amazing. I
don't know why he did it, but yeah, the scene
between you and Johnny c when you win the bet
is like, to me, that was just such classic Scrubs
because it's it's good in the in and of itself
with the comedy is just hilarious, Jessie, when you're celebrating

(01:02:47):
and it kind of goes on, then it goes on,
then it keeps going on, which I personally it's funny.
Then it's sort of maybe not funny. Then it's really
funny because you just keep doing it. You do the
backward while and it's just all the different beats of
your comedy there just like I had me laughing, and
I've forgotten the scene and then and then there's then
there's that other level where he's like, yes, which is

(01:03:09):
what that's what your show did so well, where it
was like you have the great comedy and that could
just on another show that would just be enough. And
then it's like there's a hammer a gravitas that still works.
It's beautiful. It ends with the ends with you, like
with a legit serious moment considering this information. It's great,
no matter, Joel, and you just look like you freaked
out about something. Gina Price Pryflet heard a thing I

(01:03:30):
did and I love her. Sorry, Okay, wait what happened?
I'm sorry, wait what happened? I think you're Since you
distracted the show, you're gonna have to share what happened.
Gina Price Prithelett It is an amazing director. She doctor
loved basketball um and she just has any movie out
on Netflix called oh my Gosh, The the Old Guard
Black Lady who's been working for a very long time,

(01:03:52):
and I love her. She used to write on Felicity,
like season one of Felicity she wrote, and then she
went on to right, but what ha been that made
your face light up? Because I thought it was Tom's
use of the word gravitass acknowledged my existence. I get
so excited. Oh congratulations. What did she say? What she like,
you're one of the articles you've written or something. Yeah,

(01:04:14):
I did a pod talking about the new movie and
she was like this was so great. I was like,
oh my god, that's always good to be, don't. I
just want the listeners to know from my point of view.
Tom said the word gravitas, and Joel's face lit up
and she started like doing the hand thing where you

(01:04:35):
might cry, And I'm like, wow, Joel really loves the
word gravitass. She had better reasons to celebrate, better reasons
to celebrate. I'm glad to hear it wasn't gravitating either.
The old guard plug. That's great, that would be. That
would be the funniest shit ever. But she just loves
the word whenever she whenever she hears she has to

(01:04:57):
fan her eyes. Gl I love that Donald you're bragging
about having two singles in your wallet. You say hello Mrs.
When he gives you the funny Jackson to the Washington Brothers.
Right now, you guys get nice and acquainted and and
mamallet you're dancing. There was so funny man. I had

(01:05:21):
a lot of I had a lot of fun doing that.
I'm sure I did. It's it's really weird, you know
how things change. Because everybody did a Michael Jackson impersonation
back in the day, everybody did it. I can't recall
the last time I've seen Michael Jackson impersonation very very
long time. Now, you probably if we were doing the
show now, you probably wouldn't be doing so many Michael
Jackson's Now. I love a Growing Pain shout out for

(01:05:44):
those of you who were too young to know. Growing
Pains was a very popular sitcom and starring Kirk Cameron.
And uh when when I when when we all go
to lunch, I say, oh, no, I'm trying to defend Dan.
Oh no, he he he lives with my mom, but
he's got his own area. He's like Kirk Cameron when
he lived the garage with Boner and Kirk Cameron had

(01:06:05):
a friend in the show named named which made no sense.
Why was his friend named Boner? Everyone knows what his name.
His last name was the Bone and his dad's name
was Sylvester. But then you run, you yell out to
the room Boner. Everyone, come on, everyone, it's too low
hanging fruit boner. You guys didn't hear what I said.

(01:06:28):
His dad's name Will was Sylvester and his last name stabone.
Sylvester stabone. Yeah, do you know the Growing Pains theme
instead of Sylvester Stallone Sylvester stabone. You know, I get it. Okay,
it just wasn't that funny. I guess. I'm sorry. I
thought it was hilarious when I first hearted the show. Kids,
Wait a second, Boon, your dad's name is Sylvester stabone.

(01:06:52):
And then he turns back and looks like Mike goes,
who know what? Joe, please sing the theme song for Donald?
Do you know the same song? Tom? Tom? You might
not know this, but Donald can sing song. If you
tell me how it starts, I could sing it. Show me.

(01:07:13):
That's my aga. Okay, so I got it. Don't waste
another the man It on your crying and we're nowhere
near the end. Her best to be again? Oh okay,
he started too high. As long as we got each other, yeah,

(01:07:35):
we got the world hanging right in our heads, baby,
rain or shine all the time, We've got each other,
sharing the left love, sharing the laughter. So I'm going

(01:07:56):
to release an album tom of Donald to show that
the show that did every season they did a different
version of that song. Oh really. They also at some
point they had a baby and then they were like,
the baby's boring. In next season, she's gonna be five.
And they also had nobody else aged, but the baby
was all of a sudden five. They also like fostered

(01:08:16):
a kid for a little bit. Who was young Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh,
that's right, was young young Leo's first show, I believe, Well,
I don't know if it was his first, but there's
really cute. I've seen like when they do like, you know,
you know, remember who this little boy was. I've seen
like his first interview. I just love being an actor

(01:08:37):
and I'm just happy to be with these guys. And
it was really cute. And now look at him. Donald
has a little Leo crushed. Tommy comes up almost every episode.
I love Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, so um, the last one
of my favorite actors of all time. One of our
last episodes ended with Donald talking about trying to dock
with no no no no no no no no, that's

(01:08:59):
plane later break. We gotta gotta guess, we gotta go
to break. We gotta guess, guys, what about that? Wait?
We should we should go to break, guys. We'll be
right back after Donald docks Leo. No, no, no, what
did he say? What was that? Now? I did not
say I wanted to dock with Leo. I just said

(01:09:20):
I thought he was a great actor. We went to break,
We went to we we gotta I think we need
to clarify this because I don't want it out there
in the ethos that somebody that I'm walking around telling
people I want to dock with Leo because that ain't
was happening here. Okay, that ain't was. Donald does not
want to dock Leo. Everybody, Yes he does. We're going
to break. Wait what all right? Now we're back tom.

(01:09:49):
We take a caller here on this show and Joel
curates them. There are zillions of people that email her
and try and send her payola. Uh and she it's
all accepts all the money. She accepts all the money,
all the money. Send you sending money to Joel, do
it the right way. Don't send like sending the real deal?
How we feel? I thought, if you don't get picked,

(01:10:11):
but money does help. But you know, cash is a
little crass. What you can sell sending baskets? Cash is
crist I don't know if I ever said that before,
but I was Cash's crass. Cash is crass. Send a
woman a wine basket or or some of God's lettuce.
She'll take either one. O cush is preferred. Who do
we have to for the Tom Kavanaugh? Who Who's America's

(01:10:37):
favorite older brother? We have Christina Christina? Hello, where are
you calling from? Christina? Kirsten and these Christina, Um, you're
an ear nurse, we heard, so that means you're gonna
get even more respect than the average caller. We give

(01:10:58):
our colors a lot of respect, but e R and
nurse gets top respect from Thank you? What's it like
right now? You guys are in Houston's it sucks? Yeah?
What's the status? I I think I had heard that
Texas was legitimately running out of ICU beds. Yeah, I mean,
we tried to ship out a critical patient the other

(01:11:19):
night and couldn't get a hospital that could take him
in Houston. We tried to fight him out because we
didn't have a specialist for it and could not find
a hospital. It's tragic. It's tragic. My God and people
need to hear from people like you on the front lines,
because I think a lot of people, you know, as
we've talked about on the show, Donald and I lost
a friend and uh, and I think people like you

(01:11:40):
who are on the front lines, people like us who
have lost a loved one, we are seeing him. And
Dan was was explaining something on the show. I thought
that was really really land with me that unless you're
on the front lines and the seeing it, you can
kind of live in this sort of dream world where you,
you know, you're just you know, obviously, I know people
are suffering, they're not working, and the kids aren't in school,

(01:12:00):
but it cannot it's a little bit out of sight,
out of mind. Whereas someone like you who's seeing this
every single day, um, it must be just very very
traumatic for you. That we also see what COVID does
to people to write what and and and and a
lot of people that's something that Americans don't see. We
don't see the uh, what's what's left up people after

(01:12:23):
COVID has ravaged their bodies and uh and and you know,
recked haboc or rect habit on their organs and stuff.
So h it's just a it's a slave in the
face when we're risking our lives and then people are
on here saying it's a hoax or that it's a yah.
It's just frustrating because we don't have any reason to

(01:12:44):
lie about it, right, I know, but we see that.
But we see that. I see even in our comments
on on Instagram. I don't know you saw this. Donald,
people were like, uh, enough of the mask talk. You're
becoming like every other show. And I wanted to like
throw my fucking phone at the wall because I was like,
our friend just died, so there's gonna be some COVID
talk where I fucking ask. But um, anyway, I I

(01:13:08):
we we thank you for for I just think there's
nothing more noble than than being a nurse. And and
there's extra cherry on top for doing it in the
e er because the things you must see. And I
want to thank you' all real quick for the video
that y'all did with you know, Patrick Harris thanking all
the healthcare workers. It did not get enough props, but
it really meant something. I thank you, thank you, thank you. Um,

(01:13:31):
So let's switch to something more like our Our main
mission is to make people giggle at bit. Do you
have any questions for for us about Scrubs or anything
could be about the Flash? I don't know. My first
question is, what's the craziest thing A fan has asked,
joll Oh, my gosh, have you ever signed anyone? And
then they saw them again and they were like, I
turned your signature into a tattoo. Yes, I've had that. Yeah,

(01:13:54):
and people get tattoos to you? Is that weird? Yeah,
there's just talking about this yesterday. Uh, there's some really
weird tattoos of me out there. And and also I
actually like the ones some people have tattooed U lines
from Garden State that we're meaningful to them of film
I wrote, so I that I think is really cool
because my something I came up with was meant enough

(01:14:15):
to them to put on their body as a as
A as whatever mantra if you will. But what I've seen,
like like the weirdest faces I've made on Scrubs where
I'm like, you know, like screaming out of fear, like
actually in this episode with Tom where I'm like screaming
out of fear, and I've seen that on like someone's thigh.
Um Donald, I saw a tattoo of you that that

(01:14:37):
look like you. It looked nothing like me. It looked
like Charles Barkley. You're on my back and it looked
like Charles literally now you know, as a kid, I
was a big fan of Charles Barkley. But it didn't
look anything like me. It looked literally like Charles Barkley.
The weirdest thing that's ever happened to me. I get

(01:14:57):
a lot of people asking for it to eat. Yes,
that happens to you a lot because they think you're
very strong and they don't know I can hold a
lot of people up there. Yeah, but it's it's donald.
You do. Let a lot more people mount you than
I would ever listen. If you are brave enough to
ask me, I will most likely oblige now that you shouldn't,

(01:15:27):
he said, most likely find print. That being said that
the fine print, Tom is like you must be under
a certain amount of weight before trying to please as
to all permission. Don't do it in front of his
children or his wife. Fool bitch shop you Well, the
fine print is the fine print truly is like it
has to be a special occas and you can't just
be out of nowhere like you walk down the street

(01:15:48):
and like, let's eagle, and that's not gonna happen. It
has to be you know, it has to be something
like if I'm at a conference and it's you know
what I mean, and they got to catch you, you're
not woozy. Yeah. So that's the one thing that that's
the one thing that that's pretty weird is that being
asked to eagle. It's like, really want to jump on

(01:16:09):
my back? You feel that comfortable right now to walk
up to me and asked me to give you an
and and ask me to give you a piggyback ride? Tom,
have you ever had a weird fan moments? I bet
some of your young Flash fans have asked for something odd.
I think just what you were saying earlier, I think
it really tests your metal as an actor when somebody

(01:16:30):
suddenly unveils a tattoo of you on them, because you know,
I think the reaction they're looking for it's like, oh,
that's great, wow, you know, but really your reaction is yeah,
you know, and you really gotta you gotta try and
cover that as best you can because they've got you know,
permanent ink on their bodies. Of course, you naturally, you

(01:16:56):
naturally assumed they're going to regret it. You think the
next day, you don't think you're gonna end up seeing
it ever, But yeah, of course it's going to be
a massive regret. Well, we talked before you came on
to about how I'm gonna get Donald on my face?
Joel Joel. Joel reminded us that I should not attempts
to shade it in at all, because I listened. I

(01:17:19):
listened to your episode. Of course, Yeah, Joel, you guys
were very well. Joel just came on in a moment
of nervousness, being like, guys, guys talk. Here's the voice,
here's the voice of reason. Please listen to the voice.
I assured Joel that would be silely an outline of
his beautiful face. How many people have sent you in

(01:17:40):
apple Tini in the bar? Oh that's a very good question. Um,
that's happened to bunch. I gotten sent a lot of
apple tinis. They don't I don't like apple, just be honest,
it's very sweet. It's sugar, I don't. I mean, I
understand it. If you're if you're young, or if you're
if you're out for a night and you want to
have a funny cocktail. But I just think that if

(01:18:00):
you shouldn't get trunk on them because they are so
filled with sugar. Day. I'm one of the owners of
a restaurant in New York that I'll give a plug
to now called the Mermaid Oyster Bar, and it's seventy
nine mcdougalld if you'd like to check it out when
the world reopens. But they do they serve oysters at Yes,

(01:18:21):
they have the sixteen different types of oysters. I love
that you just said, do they serve oysters at this
oyster bar? He was starting to see if it was good,
he'd be a good friend and trying to like tell
us more about this. You probably want to know about
our lobster roll. Donald, Do you have a lobster roll?
We have lobster roll in Manhattan. I'll tell you that

(01:18:43):
right now. Really. Yeah, My point was that the owner
told me that, He's like, do you have an idea
why people keep coming in and ordering apple tini's that's funny?
And he's like, I don't know, but can you make them?
He's like, no, we're not making appletinis, but just people,
just tell your fans to stop ordering when we were

(01:19:04):
young and they were tasty, though, I don't know. Do
you like them, Christina? A little sweet for me? A right?
Do you have another question for us? Christina? Um so
scrubs one. What is your most memorable scene that you filmed?
Heavy question? Good question? Wow? Um, well Tom can go
first because he's the test. He's got less because he's

(01:19:25):
only did It's easy. It was just, you know, I
loved almost every scene we did for comedy. There was
one where the three of us were um part bunnies
where we did the fart stuff. Yeah, we're goofing around
the thing, and that we had to we're eating breakfast
and then we had to go. I had to go
to the bathroom and it just became this long running
I'll be in there for one minute, two minutes, five minutes,

(01:19:48):
ten minutes, one minute, um. And then the other one
was just the John Ritter uh stuff. To have been
like a part of that with with you guys, was
you know it was? It was meaningful. Certainly the bat scene,
the bad type scene was a little less fun than
you might expect. At one point, John c Riley is like,

(01:20:08):
by no, you're sitting in about too probably of your
own urine, and I think that was probably closer to
the truth, so less fun. But at the same time,
you know, it's one thing that I hear a lot,
you know about the captain bubble beer or whatever the
heck it was called. Anyway, So you guys, that's enough.
Now you had enough time. I've stalled, well enough, I feel,

(01:20:28):
and now you guys have the tarmac ready. We um.
We answered something similar to this recently, but I wonder
if it's the same answer for you Donald, go ahead,
well the Star Wars, Oh yeah, you're right. Uh. Also, uh,
getting the opportunity to do an Indiana Jones situation in
someone's colon It was a lot of fun doing the

(01:20:50):
whole opening to Raiders of the Lost Dark and side
of someone's colon um and then uh, to be honest
with you, one of my favorite scenes. It's a song
but Zack and I singing everything comes down to pooh.
Still to this day is one of my like I
watched that, uh with a smile, And I can't watch

(01:21:13):
a lot of the things that I do, but that's
one thing that I've done where I'm like that was
that was fucking a great time shooting that. Yeah. One
of my favorite times was repelling across the fake city
street on the Universal back lot, on the episode where
Donald and I go on a quest to find Molly,
Heather Graham's character, and uh, we repel across the street

(01:21:35):
and then nail the wall and I fall into a
bunch of garbage and then I get up and she
looks at me, and I act like I'm surprised to
see her, and I go, Molly, you're doing here? That
was just the most fun because you know, do you
remember how you got the to repel across the rope
which I pulled your shirt off? You know, You've pulled
my gown off of me. I have a gown on it,

(01:21:56):
or it wasn't a shirt, yeah, And I go and
I go, yeah, I pull it off and you gasp
and then you're shirtless. And then I turned it turned.
I turned into a thing to repel across the street.
And then and then I go Molly, and she goes,
what are you doing here? And then all of a
sudden you just see Donald in the background dropped down

(01:22:18):
into frame naked. So that was just so fun because
you know, we didn't always Yeah, as I've said before,
on the podcast. That episode was like so epic. We
didn't always do episodes that were that big. And there
we were like taking over the Universal back lot to
do that scene, and I was directing and and it

(01:22:38):
was just funny. I remember just laughing my ass off
that that night. Um, all right, well we gotta go
because our show is going so incredibly long. But Christina,
thank you and and and all sincerity. Thank you so
much for for what you do and for for everything,
for being on the front lines for us. Can I
just seat y'all to give a quick shout out to
my best friends that are super jealous right now. Of course,

(01:22:58):
Preston and Nikki Yo, Presston, Nikki, it's down a phase
On and and Zach Brof. Sorry, what's happening, y'all? What's
happening y'all? What's happening? By Presston and Nikki and by Christina.

(01:23:23):
Thank you so much, Thank you, Thank you, Christina. Now listen,
it's not beneath us. It scrubs to do a fart
joke every now and then, and uh, and your family
loves to fart. Dorian's love to fart. By the way
we were, we were we were lucky enough to have
the late John Rittard to a fart joke on on
the show before he passed away, and now we have

(01:23:43):
the great Tom Kavanaugh honoring us with a fart joke.
We we sprinkled him around. That was sprinkling him around.
Good analogy. Your reaction is tremendous. It's like it's everywhere.
It's a man who can't escape. It's emilar It is
so horrible though, when when someone um is flatulent in

(01:24:03):
a car and you don't have control of the window,
isn't it just a horrible, horrible moment of life. I
think an airplane is worse, but yes, airplane. Everybody's staring
straight ahead, and the moment on a plane where you like,
you don't want anyone to think it's you to react,

(01:24:24):
you have to go. I always put my t shirt
over my nose so people know, like, oh, he's reacting,
it's clearly not him. It's just like when you go
into the bathroom after somebody took a ship and on
the airplane, and then you gotta come out and face
all the people. I'm sure we've talked about we have,
we talked about that horrible thing, and especially when you're
in the public eye. You don't want someone to be like, Dude,

(01:24:45):
I was on a plane and Tom Kavana crying the bathroom.
Meanwhile you're thinking, like, no, mother effort. That was the
guy before me. I don't know. I don't know if
I would be that upset, but okay, yeah, I have
an anxiety of out when I go into a bathroom
and it's been just rocked and then I come out
and I'm like, I didn't do that. That was someone

(01:25:07):
before me. I think you should do some anxiety about
public restrooms period. Dude, do you think you put toilet
paper down on the seat? Listen, man, we could go
to the movies the whole family. Back when going to
the movies was a thing. We'd be at the movie
theater if I and the movie could be five minutes
away from starting. If I feel even the slightest bit
of a bubble in my guts, We're going home. I'm

(01:25:31):
not shipping at a movie there. You're poor kids. What
do they do They cry on the way home, your
kids home because you had to poop. Listen, we remember
I remember one time going to a club and getting
to the club and being at the club, and uh,
you know about to dance and it was lit that night,
and feeling a bubble in my guts and being like,

(01:25:53):
you know what, I'm going home at restaurants, so you
never you never pull in public. I try my hardest
not to pooh in public. I have a phobia of it.
It's uh, I don't know, man, Do you keep your
outings to a concentric circle where you can make the
get away if you have to know? There's been times
where I was like, yeah, I gotta do something, we

(01:26:13):
gotta do something. Do you have friends? It's just something
about the public. A public restroom is I used to
have that for some reason. I was a kid. When
I was a kid, I had it. I got over it.
But one thing I can't do is if if it
were in the men's room and there's and there's a
line of stalls, I cannot poo if someone else is
in the stall. I have to wait until the stalls

(01:26:34):
are empty. I can't hear next me. I just can't
sit next that. But also I can't sit next to
the person and they're like farting and you hear them
like I can't. It's too uncomfortable for Mehrd, you gotta

(01:27:00):
hand it to them for their effort. You really don't
really have to go, you know, I don't want to
be that guy. Man, I've been. I've been in the
bathroom where another man did that. And I was a kid.
I was very young and it was me and we
were doing a commercial. It was a basketball commercial. What, yeah,
it was a basketball commercial. Jealous, I know we should
talk about basketball. You have to come back on because

(01:27:21):
we need to talk about our NBA Entertainment League days
and all that stuff. Time time were you already since
we since you're well you heard this, Dan, you heard
this right? So I was invited, So that's what you'll
be back. But we were filming a basketball commercial and

(01:27:42):
I was very young and one but I wasn't young
enough where my parents had to be there. But there
was one kid who was very young and his dad
had to be there and his dad would play basket.
We were playing like we were all doing this, you know, uh,
the commercial. So we were all playing like full courts
on other basketball courts and we would play with his
dad too. And we remember going to the bathroom, me

(01:28:04):
and a bunch of other dudes. We were going to
take a leak and the dad was in the bathroom
and was having a real hard time pooping, like the
type of ship like I don't know, like the type
of stuff where it's like, oh god, damn ship. Why

(01:28:24):
it's always bah was happy. That's the corn. That's the corn.
That's the corn. The corn people are might be eating
when the listening to this. Okay, we'll cut that out.
We'll cut out the corner. No, I want to leave it.
I like, okay, alright. Anyway, My point is, I remember

(01:28:44):
when he came out of the bathroom, the shame on
his poor son's face because we're like your dad, blowing
it up. And I think that's where my phobia comes from.
I don't want to be that guy. And when I
was a kid, my mom took me into the stall
with her. You know, I was of an age where
she was obviously not leaving me alone, and a woman

(01:29:05):
was really farting a lot as she was going pooh.
And then we came out to the sinks and I
apparently turned to the woman and pointed to my mom,
that's the lady who was farting. My mom says, like

(01:29:25):
to this day, that's the most embarrassing moment of her life.
All Right, um the gorilla by the way, Donald, I
literally looked. I looked down in my notes and I
thought that was really funny reveal. Yeah, I thought that
was very I think Ken was ever in the suit. Oh,
I don't know. That's a great question. Is a great question.

(01:29:46):
Let's ask Bill that. Let's ask Bill, because Bill, I'm
sure you want to say hi to the Tom Kavanaugh
and um, you know, I did notice some of the
fans were missing you and you're sabotaging our show by
the secret numbers? So Bill, um, was Ken Jenkins ever
in the guerrilla suit? And also say hi to Tom Kavanaugh? Bill, Hey, guys,

(01:30:11):
how you doing? Um? Question number? Ken Jenkins in that
guerrilla suit? I seem to recall is what I love
about Ken, you know, trying to be respectful of actors,
was like, of course, Ken, if you want to be
the guy in this suit, you know, we and I
think he cut me off and said, Bill, if it's
not gonna you're not gonna see me, I don't care

(01:30:33):
if I'm ever in that grills. So I do not
think Ken Jenkins was ever in that thing? Um? Pretty sure? Uh?
And uh I respect him more for it. Also got
to say man uh not only one of my favorite
guest stars on the show, but an all time good
buddy Tom Kavanaugh. Hello, sir, Hi Tom? Hey, how you doing? Man?

(01:30:54):
I don't mean to steal this podcast, but it has
been way too long since we've seen each other. Has
been a has got to be at least like for
like five or six or seven or eight. Thank you
turn season two, Dan get a new you need a

(01:31:16):
new trick? Trying to hijack our show? You know, speaking
of tricks, the janitor never does his trick. I was
I was asking. I was about to ask that it's
a writing it's a writing flow off. Bill? Sorry, what
was that about? Since you just tried to hijack our
show by saying the numbers, I will tell you, even
though now you can't reply that you know you're fucking up?

(01:31:38):
Or Tim Homer, Timber sucked up? Somebody up? Why do
you lay in the The janitor is gonna do a
trick and he never does. I think it's a mislead
for him being in the gorilla suit, but but he's
he's like twice Ken's height, so that doesn't really work.
I'm just saying, um, do you want to talk about
how great it was to have Tom Kavant on the podcast. Dude,

(01:31:59):
you have to come back. You've already said you will.
I'm gonna force your hand. That was That was a
classic misplay on your two guys parts. Here you guys.
You guys like, hey, Tom, come back. It's like he's obsessive.
Joel is gonna be like, hell, he doesn't even He's like,
he just come back, come back? Okay, can I come back? Dude?
We have some stories you and I we've played a

(01:32:21):
lot of basketball together. And so the next time you're
on next episode, you guys will talk sports ball. Yeah,
you can go grab at T and we'll like, we'll
talk hoops and then you can come back the later
come back. I will just put on Dear Evan Hansen
and a whole time, and you guys will wave on
the zoom call when it's open. Perfect. No, seriously, man,
we love you. You're great. I'm so happy to be

(01:32:42):
part of this. Thank you guys for having me on.
Thank you, thank you, and thank you to Daniel and
Joel and uh and Donald do you want to lead
us in song? I love you Donald, phase on, I
love you Zach Brath and we love you listeners, Thank
you for listening and for being amazing, and subscribe to
this and and what else. Email Joel Scrubs I heeart

(01:33:04):
at gmail dot com. And that is absolutely to the five, six, seven,
eight stories about sure we paid, about a bunch of
dots and nurses and janitor who loved me. Here I said,
he's a stories Netel should know so yetto around you.

(01:33:25):
Here are yadoo around you, Here are und show mm
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