315: My Tormented Mentor with John C. McGinley

On this week's episode, a new surgeon puts Turk in his place and Dr. Cox struggles to deal with the loss of his best friend. In the real world, Johnny C finally makes his return to the show.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
That y'all watched the Mandalorian. No, we didn't. You can't
talk about it because we didn't watch it, So don't
start going off on the Mandalorian. My wait, you have
a rule about cursing with things related to Star Wars. Well,
we're not. Joel is not here, so we're not necessarily
recording you. I'm recording. Why aren't you recording? Well, I
am recording. But if you want, Daniel can bleep out

(00:21):
the curse. Leave the curse, Daniel. But because it's in
the same sentence as Star Wars, bleep it for him?
Got it? Is that? Okay? Donald? No cut that out. No, Yeah, listen, man,
I'm telling you you might not want to talk about it.
So your your Star Wars girlfriend gets on the line,
because you're gonna probably be all excited. I know that

(00:45):
there's big spoilers though, so don't spoil anything. Yeah, they
just sent me. Lucas Film finally sent me my holiday card.
I'm excited about that. He wishing you a bountiful new
year full of laughter, new friends, and unexpected adventures. Happiest
of holidays to you and your family. PSL the podcast,
Holy shit, really they love the podcast. There you go,

(01:10):
probably because you talk about it's like an ad for
Star Wars every day. Happy Holidays from Lucas Film. They
are loving the podcast. I love it. Yeah, right now,
now this part is going in the show's going in
the show. I love it. I love Donald. I know
that whatever happened was so impactful that I read someone said,

(01:31):
don't even look at Twitter trends or yo, don't look
don't look at anything, or it will ruin everything. It
will ruin everything here. And I cried like a baby.
Hold on now, hold on you gets hold you well?
You cried like a baby. Joel. Did you cry like
a baby? Did you cry like a baby, Joel, Joel,
did you cry like a baby? Did you cry like

(01:53):
a baby this morning? Did you cry like a baby?
Oh my god. Yeah. They haven't watched it yet. They
haven't watch it yet. What else did you have to do?
But when his greatness on your screen, tell them, Joel,
tell them Joel. No, don't tell us anything, Joel. A
lot of people won't have seen it. And I I mean,

(02:15):
I'm sure by the time this airs, if you're a
fan of the Mandalorian, you'll have watched it. But we
I haven't watched it yet. We'll watch it tonight. I'm
just mad that I gotta wait till December of next
year to see a new episode again. December twenty one.
Oh my god. But it's gonna be so good. But
there's so much in between, right, there's gonna be so
much in between, right, Oh, there's so much in between.

(02:35):
It's like the the I guess the new movie. The
movie that's coming out is Rogue Squadron Hetty Jenkins. Laddy
Jenkins is directing it. I'm really excited about that. There's
I guess a new Boba Fette show coming. There's a
Whet Died Huh what No, the actor who played Boba

(02:58):
Fett in the movie, right, yeah, passed away. The original
actor who played sorry, yeah, the actor in the original
movies right and the Empire Strikes Back, and and uh.
And he was in Return of the Jedi, and he
was also in uh The Phantom Menace as one of
the pilots for Queen Amidala, which was no way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

(03:21):
he's one of the shit. Yeah. I just wanted to
say some good news. We just got Daniel. Can you
have like a low rumbling drum roll like they what
are they? What are those large orchestral drums? Yeah? Yeah,
can you have a timpanie um thing here? That's like
at the end of Star Wars Bom bom bom bom
bomb into two thousand and one, bom bom bom bomb.

(03:47):
I want to remember bom right, but I don't want
bum bum bum. I want bubb bubb. I got you.
You got that going, all right? You? Fake Doctor's Real
Friends is the number one new comedy podcast downloaded in
twenty It's the most downloaded new comedy podcast of twenty twenty.

(04:11):
Check that. Thank you, I heart, thank you all of
our fans. Thank you fans for listening. I really did
not know that. Thank you. Thank you to our very loyal,
amazing listeners. That is a big milestone for us. We
had no idea this would happen, that it would happen
like this. We just wanted to get on the on
the internet and talk about, you know, our friendship and

(04:32):
making scrubs. We had no idea that there were that
many of you out there who would would be interested
in this, and so thank you so much for Thank you,
thank and continue, please continue. We will continue if you continue. Yes,
and Joel and Daniel. Thank you both for making the
dream come true. Is our pleasure. It's a lot of fun.
All right, Let's let the legendary Johnny ce in I forgot.

(04:56):
I felt bad that we didn't have him for My
screw Up. So I think we're gonna do a little
my scho up and then we'll do the new one.
But we got to talk to him about my screw up.
Thunder is applause, But John, my god, there he is.

(05:22):
What I brought him? Handsome? Hello fellas. How good of Zachie.
I haven't seen you. I get to I have some
one on one time with Donald. We played golf a
couple of months ago. Yes we do, so that was good.
But I don't get to see you, Zachie. I know
I miss you, sir. I miss you a lot, and
I'm watching these episodes and we will do lots of

(05:45):
fawning over you. But you are such a good actor,
and it's so fun to revisit these and just see
what an incredible performance you give and continue to give
in this show. So Johnny, um, well wait till you're settled.
But I wanted to just say that the fans have
been clamoring for more Johnny c McGinley, it's everything we
get is all right? Enough of the bullshit? Where is

(06:07):
Johnny c McGinley give us Johnny c McGinley respectfully disagree.
I don't ever try to step on any fans toes.
But uh, that with Bill, when Bill came back, and
when with real Bill on there. Uh and then of
course Josh he the other day was just spectacular. Yeah. Yeah,

(06:29):
we had a lot of great feedback from the Josh Frady. Yeah, Josh,
Josh came on and there we had a good show
with Josh. He did a sting man. Everyone said his
voice was so soothing, not not even when he was singing.
When he's I think Josh puts on a little bit
of a radio voice, you know he was. That's definitely
a fucking radio voice. Man on this dude got on

(06:50):
the mica was like, hello, my name was Josh Raiding. Yeah,
he was seducing the world and I'm gonna drop my
I'm gonna drop my pitch down a few out there.
Yeah he did do that. The fuck I need to
be I wouldn't know Josh's voice from anything other than
being drunk at four o'clock in the morning. And screaming

(07:11):
at him how much I love him. So I wouldn't
I wouldn't know Josh's voice, his real speaking voice if
they hit me over the fucking kid. But you're right.
He did do that all of a sudden, and we
were like okay, and we're recording, and he was like, yeah,
I just want to say that I love being on
the radio. And it was like he was It was
like he was in that uh and a guest ire. Yeah, yeah,

(07:37):
it was like he was in that sweaty ball sketch.
I just want to I just want to put those
sweaty balls in my mouth. I can't wait to eat
your sweaty balls. Yeah, I love that. I love that sketch.
That was such a funny sketch like public they were
like a public access. Yes, we just wanted to say
that I loved it. How do you how do you
like to how do you like to eat your sweaty balls? Oh?

(07:57):
I love it to just pop him in my mouth.
I with my mouth real wide and I throw those
sweaty balls in my mouth. Wait. We never counted into
the song Jenna stories about show we made about a
bunch of dots and nurses and jan said he's stories

(08:21):
never so YadA around here, a yadoo around here. We
are we are fortunate and blessed to have our co
star Johnny c McGinley on my plan. Um was originally

(08:42):
gonna have Johnny on for My screw Up, but because
of Donald's work schedule and COVID and changing everything around,
it didn't work out because, uh, we actually ended up
recording at the last minute, and I literally called Josh Rayden.
I was like, will you be our guest? So, Johnny,
I just wanted to start off and talk about your
impressions this many years later seeing My screw Up. You

(09:03):
know what many of the fans think is is one
of the finest episodes we did in nine years, and
it's certainly at the center of it is your incredible performance,
and I just wanted to hear your thoughts on it
watching it this many years later. Um, well, I can't.
I can't start with I mean, I went through the
episode and the first notes and I'll just bang them.

(09:25):
I'll just bang them out with you and some well no,
you guys didn't really touch on these, uh with Joshi,
so these will be relatively fresh. Uh. I thought that
Krista looked apt. She always looked beautiful, but I thought
Krista looked I guess she was between kids and she's
just killing her jeans, killing it. She just looked like

(09:51):
a smoke show. Yeah, Zachie, the golf club to the nuts.
I completely forgot about it. And what the heck did
you did you have on a big steel plate or something.
I must have had a big cup on, obviously, and
more than a cup, because you can't take that without it,
Man's not a way. Because but also Tara bliss her heart.
She may not be the most gifted physical comedian. So

(10:12):
I'm sure that club was just coming back. I don't
remember it at all, but I do. I can assure
you I had a cup on. There's a handful of
times when I would be doing stunts and they'd be like,
I think you want to cup for this one, and
I would be like, I just want to come for
all of them, just in case. Absolutely. Let's that's like
they have a thing called a it's a girdle that

(10:33):
you can put on that's from in football. It's almost
it's a steel from football, but it's called a tortishel
tortoiseshell and you can put a tortoiseshell girdle on and
to protect your hips and your lower back, and it
doesn't read. It's just a thin piece of plastic and
you just put on you put on the tortoishelf. Your
your your life is going to be better. Yeah, I think.
I think once you're definitely better. Yeah, you never. I

(10:56):
don't remember that one at all. I don't even know
if that was a real club or if they gave
a foam end to it or not. But yeah, she
did take a whack to my grind. Also, you tearing
into the photo is almost like something I don't know
if you are versed enough in Jerry Lewis. And that's
not condescending. There's some people who don't like Jerry Lewis.
He's a really great physical comedian. And you try to

(11:17):
tear into the photo completely self generated, and it's completely committed,
and he totally caught me off guard. And so he's
such a weakling. He can't rip it. I'm like doing that. Wait,
hold on, have you ever tried to rip a Polaroid's right? Right,

(11:39):
So let's let's give JD some credit. It is very
difficult to rip a polaroid when Brennan says, you've slept
with both we have something in common. You've slept with
both of my sisters. We have something in common. That's
just Bill being devious. Yeah, Yeah, the man has a
twisted twist. And then he circles back to the joke
later on when he you guys are walking down the
whole and he says, I find Danny to be more

(12:02):
of a of a yeah, and christ is more brutal.
And it just makes you so, it makes you you, Zach,
you can see, it's just making you uncomfortable. Well, they
really do talk, not like Christa and her brother and
uh and Bill are all close, you know, and they
must have obviously been the inspo for for some of this.
And there's definitely times where you're like so cringey around

(12:25):
them because they do not censor themselves. They're a lot
like that. I thought when when somebody, oh, there goes
missus Carlo butt face, uh maybe left. It's just stupid joke.
It's a stupid joke. But because for the fans, if
you're listening, if you don't remember, Donald's the plan is
he's gonna have his mole removed and they're gonna graft

(12:47):
skin from his ass, and so everyone starts saying, well,
your name's gonna be butt face, then my name will
not be butt face. It's not gonna have Turke runs
around hospital, but you will not be calling me butt face.
Is not gonna happened, and Elliott goes to town with it. Yeah,
I thought I thought it was interesting that the writers
snuck in that Cox had been there for sixty straight hours.

(13:10):
I guess most of us have never worked sixty straight hours,
and so I thought that was interesting. And I'm sure
that must have been a gold mine nugget for me
back when I was breaking this thing down, that when
when Brendan does that incompetent puppets thing with Sarah, it
looks effortless. The two of them, it's just effortless. That
was such a great moment for both of them. Yeah,

(13:32):
and then I mean what really kills it though, was
hard walking away and him falling off the counter like
he's still tethered to her, you know what I mean?
It was the two of them. Yeah, they're just both
really I mean, I think Sarah walks on water, but
Brendan also, he's really good. He's really good. Yeah, he's
really good, and watching the episode, you forget how charming is.

(13:55):
Like this man was an absolute movie star, you know
what I mean, like big time movie star, biggest movies,
some of the biggest movies of all time, and so
you forget you you know, you get caught up in
the fact that you're just working with another actor, but
you forget there's a reason why this person has all
of this stuff behind him, all of this energy behind him.
And when you watch it on screen and it shows

(14:17):
you're it's always you're always reminded. Like, so watching this episode,
like right away, it was like, holy shit, it's kind
of a fine it's kind of a self serving, kind
of self rewarding epiphany when you see it and then
you get to realize it. You think, oh, Brendan so
handsome and he's so talented, blah blah blah blah. And
then he just knocks off up a dumb puppet show

(14:38):
with Sarah all right in the middle of the day
the shooting. It's a fourteen hour day and they just
they crush it. Right, Johnny, do you did you have
the experience watching this knowing the reveal at the end
in a new way because neither Donald nor I had
had seen it, you know, since we made it, really
and it was kind of fun to see all the
little easter egg hidden mull when um, you know, knowing

(15:03):
the reveal that you wouldn't know if it was your
first time. But what really struck me was the how
seamless the ensemble is. Everybody is. This is season three,
it's the middle of the season and the writers are cooking.
I guess Garrett and Neil wrote it, Yes, and yeah

(15:25):
they did, and and Chris Kotch is in really good
form directing this thing, and he knows to let the
horses run and every everybody, Judy and Donald and Zachie
kind of lifting the whole first act, kind of carrying
the first act, you know. The pass out through the
bushes is it's fantastic. It's great. And it looks like you.

(15:47):
He looks like he scared the living shit out of
you when he jumps on that car. I think he did.
I think I think there was the giant pad back
there and I just fucking leaped into the air backwards
onto it. It It was awesome. Just establishes a ton of things.
It doesn't look like your acting. It looks like someone
scared the piss out of you. And that that's I
called setting the table. That sets the table, and that

(16:10):
largely tells us a ton about your relationship with him. Um.
I was struck by how great, uh the whole the ensemble,
isn't it? And I heard Donald talking about that scene
with Kenny in the closet and he's just he's money,

(16:32):
Vince Vaughan Ley, He's just money. And you know he
has to affect this crazy almost caricature sometimes and then
when he wants to shift down into it. You can
see that he ran the Shakespeare Festival down in Louisville.
You know he was freaking, you know he was. There's nothing,
there's nothing non veteran about him. And it's that Chris,

(16:53):
that Chris Cootch let him have a no look at
the end of that scene where Judy thanks him or
or whatever. The button is on the scene and he
just doesn't know look exit and it's so clean and
he doesn't have to look back to to accept her
gratitude or anything. He's done. He said what he means
to say. Now he's leaving and it's just really clean.

(17:17):
It's a special moment too. Because you know, like you said,
I think Ken even articulated this when he was on
the show, particularly he was talking about season one. He
felt that he didn't really like it. He felt he
was too cartoonish and he and he wished he'd been
directed to be smaller. I you know, we think he's
hilarious and all of it's perfect, but when you do,
when when Kelso does get a moment like this finally

(17:37):
in season three where it's just can being able to
drop in and be a real, completely empathetic human being, uh,
you really get a glimpse of the level of actor
that he is. It's a it's a it's like sure,
you know, I was watching TV the other night and
Ken was on Deep Star Trek Generation Next Generation and

(18:00):
he's working with Will Wheaton on the show, and it's
a it's a younger Ken Jenkins. It's not you know
Ken Jenkins when he was doing Scrubs and after it's
a much younger Ken Jenkins. And I remember thinking, holy,
you know, he's still he had he had he had
the chops back then. To do Star Trek isn't no
easy feat, you know what I mean, if everybody could,

(18:22):
you know, Star Trek in some ways is like Shakespeare.
You gotta talk science and sound convincing. In a lot
of ways. Ken was able to do it no problem.
It's an easy thing. You watch movies like Courage on
the Fire and he's in scenes with Denzel Washington and
you're like, holy shit, Ken freaking this is something he's
been doing this forever. I can't express it enough. I've

(18:43):
said it from the beginning. He's like the MVP of
our crew man because he takes he takes the hate.
He's the character that everybody loves to hate. He's just
an MVP. Like whenever the hospital is against the whole
the whole cast, it's usually Ken's character. It's usually Kelso's
character who pulls everybody back in to figure shit out,
you know what I mean. You would think it would

(19:03):
be Cox or you would think it would be the
go to mentor, But whenever the hospital's kicking our ass
and not Ken, he's the one that usually turns us around.
All right, Well, let's segue Johnny to the to the end,
because we want to spend a lot of time on
the next episode. So let's talk about this. First of all,

(19:23):
your performance. I joined millions of people in saying, this
is a very very fine performance you give in this episode,
and um, you know some of everyone's I posted this
on Twitter the other day. I said, we're going to
be discussing this moment, and it was a still of
you and me in the moment you have the realization.
And the overwhelming response was like, I'm not ready to cry.

(19:46):
I'm not ready to cry. I can't deal with it
this many years later, I'm still gonna sob So just
talk about in particular that that funeral scene. I mean
you just that moment gives me goose bumps even describing it.
But and when when I when I say, where do
you think we are? And you have this realization? Well
I was. I heard Donald the other day talking about

(20:08):
going through his divorce, and I was shoved deep in
a divorce and I was feeling horribly inadequate as a
dad to a special needs child, and I was going
to the shrink whenever I wasn't on the set, I
was working with Barry, and I was trying to wade myself.

(20:29):
I was trying to chart a course through what was
really confusing to me as a I'll make it up
A forty year old man who was I've never been
more had my chops finer as an actor, and then
off the set, I felt like a complete and utter failure,

(20:50):
and I was trying to reconcile that every single waking second.
And so when I got to do this scene, a
lot of the inadequacies that were profoundly right in the
front of my skull were resonating. And so when you
guys touched me, I couldn't. I couldn't keep it together,

(21:15):
I wrote, I wrote down in my notebook that there
that my tribe is scattered, and it's from a poem
that I found at that time. It's in my notebook
Um with Covid Layers by Stanley Konans. I'll read it
to you. And this was what was going through my head,
or I was trying to keep this in my head.
And then all of all I could think about was

(21:37):
what forty years of trying to do the right thing
and let up to when feeling like an abject failure
as a father and a husband, and coming back to
this house every night solo and the whole thing, it
felt like the floor dropped out. In season three and
that Billy wrote this for Cox's arc dealt more with loss,

(22:02):
and the loss that I was trying to reconcile was,
what do you what's this adding up to? If I
couldn't be everything whatever I perceived as possible to a
two or three year old with special needs and a
failed marriage. And so I came across this thing the layers,

(22:24):
as I'm always searching for ways that resonate for me.
And it's a guy named Stanley Kunitz, and he goes,
I've walked through many lives, some of them my own,
and I am not who I was, though some principle
of being abides, from which I struggle not to stray.
When I look behind, as I'm compelled to look before
I can gather strength to proceed on my journey, I

(22:46):
see the milestones dwindling toward the horizon, and the slow
fires trailing from the abandoned campsites, over which scavenger angels
wheel on heavy wings. Oh, I have made a tribe
out of my true affections, and my tribe is scattered.
How shall the heart be reconciled to its feast of losses?
In a rising wind? The manic dust of my friends,

(23:09):
those who fell along the way bitterly stings my fades.
Yet I turn, I turn, exalting somewhat with my will
intact to go wherever I need to go. And every
stone of the road presses to me. In my darkest night,
when the moon's covered and I roamed through the wreckage,
a nimbus clouded voice directed me live in the layers,

(23:32):
not on the litter. And though I lack the art
to decipher it, no doubt the next chapter of my
book of transformations is already written. And I am not
done with my changes. And that's what I brought to
that funeral, and it resonates to me for me to
this day. And because I couldn't organize what I couldn't

(23:53):
organize what was going on in the shrink's office every
day away from the set, and so I needed to
lean into Cunan his piece. And then you guys were
unbelievably supportive. And ah, we had Olympia Tococcus as a
master teacher at NYU, and one of her the whole
things about weeping in front of the class, which is

(24:13):
all actors want to do. She used to say that
in Vegas terms, when you go to Vegas, there's a
shoe which is about eight decks of cards and they're
all shuffled. And she always told us to keep a
few in the shoe. And I tried. I tried, but
I couldn't keep it together. It's tough. That's that's a
very hard you know. There are some actors who can

(24:35):
do that, and God bless them, and that's why they
win awards and the freaking Academy Awards and stuff. But
once I get to the point where I release, it's
coming out. It's coming. It's not stopping. I'm sorry. I
wish I could stop it. I wish I could pull
it back in and then regenerate that energy again. But
once it starts, it's like keeping let's roll, just keep

(24:56):
rolling and start all over, or however we need to
get this because I'm going to I can't stop crying.
I have such a hard time at that. You know what,
It's really powerful, Johnny, when the camera pushes in on
you and you're crying and you allow JD to put
his hand on his shoulder. I thought that was very
moving because that's all that's all you're going to allow,

(25:16):
and that's all JD, you know, reads the moment, and
that's all It's appropriate obviously, and then the camera pushes
in on you and your crying, but you also see
your jaw, your classic Johnny c jaw moving, and I
was thinking that, like Cox is is just going to
be as still in stoic as he can, but he

(25:39):
as he usually is, but he can't control the fact
that these tears are just going to start streaming down
his face. And so my interpretation was the muscles in
your face were like it was everything he could do
to try and fight the emotion, but he but he
was losing that battle and they were just going to
fly down his face. I could hear Olympia saying keep
a few in the shoe, and yeah, I was battling.

(26:00):
And I love when we can see actors battle against shit.
But yeah, I will also tell you, in all fairness,
when when I think Christoph first and then and then
you touched me, there was no Cox there that I
was craving human engagement. That wasn't Cox, that was I
was McKinley. I was like somebody fucking yeah, And none

(26:23):
of that was written. We just kind of, like I
think we both Kristy and I um figured out what
we would do in that situation, you know, It's a
powerful thing that Jordan, the way Jordan is. You know,
she's selfless in in this situation where you know, she
lost her brother, but she understands that Cox is hurting

(26:46):
way more than she is. You know, she might be
hurting just as much as he is, but she's willing
to sacrifice that pain and push that pain down. Now
we're kind of jumping into the next episode, but she's
willing to sacrifice that pain and push it down, bury
it to support her fragile husband and that or fragile boyfriend.

(27:07):
And I thought that was I thought that was really powerful.
I thought that was very, very, very very We didn't
we don't ever see that of Jordan, you know. And
and well, I think, you know, if you think, if
you take the inspiration, Jordan is like Christa in in
a lot of ways. Well, I was gonna say, you know,
it took a while for Christa to warm up too,

(27:28):
Like no, but I'm saying I'll tell you Christa has
a lot in common with Jordan. She's obviously written for
and she can be very tough and hardened. But then
when you get to know where and the moment calls
for it, you will not find a more loyal, loving,
care the supported person. I've had some dark moments in
my life and that woman has always been there for

(27:48):
me and said come over and we're gonna have wine
and we're gonna talk, and she and so, you know,
just like the just like Christa, I think Jordan New
in this particular moment, even though it's my brother, I'm
it isn't hitting me like it's hitting my person I love,
So forget my needs. I'm going to take care of

(28:08):
this man selfless. I was. I'm very comfortable in post.
I had a post production company in the Brill Building
for almost fifteen years, and as you guys know, I
used to go the editing department was right in the
hospital where we're shooting, and I used to go down
there with Rick Blue and John Michelle and I watched

(28:29):
stuff because if I didn't have anything to do, I
want to pastor them. And so I saw the moment
where Zachie goes, where do you think you are? And
then it's a two shot and Cox turns towards the
lens and he figures it out and John Michelle had
cut off and way too quick before he realized where
he was. And you got to you got you've got

(28:49):
to stay on Cox until he does that dopey smile
acknowledging that he knows where he is. And it's an
I said, even if it's an ad of two seconds,
take it, take it somewhere else, take it away somewhere
and you could argue over two and a half seconds
like the Magna Carter because the show was so tight.
And to his eternal credit, he stays on Cox and

(29:10):
Jackie until Cox realizes and he does that kind of
smile that this is not a kid's birthday party. This is,
in fact a funeral. And that's what changed the whole
episode for me, that John Michelle stayed on him long
enough so we could see this guy arrived at a
conclusion and instead of just banging that big crane shot,

(29:31):
which is what we go to next, and we got
to see this guy arrived at what's going on. And
when John Michelle did that, it changed the whole thing
to me. It's also a nice cut that shows that
Ben's no longer there. That's really gratifying. Yeah, I mean,
that's the that's the you know, those two moments combined
are the holy shit moment that big reveal you know

(29:52):
we were, I know you were talking about it. It
struck me so different, man. It's like there's so many
hints and so many clues that he's not there. One
being the camera Johnny, did you know the camera one?
I didn't really know the camera one until I read
it on the web. No, what's the camera one? So
he says, you say, you still messing around with that
stupid cameras all the time, And he goes, I'll be

(30:12):
taking pictures till the day I die. And the moment
he shows the moment he shows up as a hallucination.
He no longer has a camera with him anymore. Totally
missed it till you just told me. I did I
have to say? I had to say. I read it online.
I didn't get it myself. But it's great, all right,
Why don't we segue Donald's as good podcast host? Should

(30:33):
we take a break? Probably, Dan, let's take a break,
and when we come back, we'll hum the new one,
which is um the episode is called My Tormented mentor
will be right back after these fine words formember back

(30:57):
when we well listen, do we not deliver? You guys
said we want more? John C McGinley, and here he is.
We delivered, and we're going to talk about a great
episode that continues Cox's recovering from losing his best friend,
my tormented mentor, which introduces a new character named doctor
Grace Miller played by Bellamy Young. She's she gets the

(31:19):
gorgeous woman scrubs intro, only to reveal that she's sort
of the female equivalent tough ass talking doctor Cox type.
Do you want me to do the recap or would
you rather I do? I was just just trying to
get a Bellamy shout out in that, and you know,
because usually what happens is I do a recap and
then we start talking about the I'm sorry, Donald, I

(31:40):
got excited to introduce Bellamy Young, but let me get
my stop Watch out. I too, am a Bellamy Young fan.
I only drove a scandal. I only do this stop
Watch thing for the guy who makes the graph. That's
the really only reason I keep doing. All Right, we're
ready on your marks, gets that go. Cox is having

(32:02):
a hard time getting ober Ben's death. JD wants to
be the shoulder Cox needs to lean on. There's a
new boss in the r and all the Scalpel jockeys
don't know how to act around her. All the women
in the hospital are frustrated and fed up with the
lack of respect they received from their male counterparts. It's
a conversation that's been on the table for decades and

(32:23):
still needs to be addressed. After all these years, equality
in the workplace still hasn't come to fruition. This is
one of those issues that will be addressed until the
matter is settled. And I'm all for that, Amen, Donald,
thirty five seconds, graph guy. It's fascinating that we're having
these conversations back when we were doing this in two

(32:45):
thousand and four, And of course they've become so much
more in the public discourse now with the Me Too movement.
But here we are in two thousand and four. They're
having to put out a sort of a suggestion box
type thing where if you're feeling like you're being sexually
harassed you can report people. Um, and the two main

(33:08):
people uh in the room are Kelso and the Todd Yes, well,
we knew that Todd would be in there, yeah, And
we kind of knew that Kelso would be in there, yeah,
you know, but we didn't know that Cox was going
to be in there. Now Cox is in there for
calling me girls names. It's not nearly as egregious as
the ship that the Todds is on. You, Zach Well,

(33:31):
I thought it was pretty funny that, Um, I mean,
they decided to make Todd so fucking stupid. He's washing
the dude. Not only is he one he can't spell,
we learned it. Todd is a dummy. He can't spell. No,
he's washing his hands. He's a surgeon. He's washing his
hands with gloves on. Right, But I think right, but
I think he's right. What a moron? Not only that

(33:51):
he goes to the sexual harassment meeting with an I
Love Vagina t shirt? What kind of moron is that?
The great got it? I got a circle back. I
can't remember if you guys told the story or if
our creator. That's how I'm gonna refer to Billy from
that one, as if our creator told the story. But
when we first started early on, Billy gathered everybody in

(34:13):
what is the cafeteria where we should is the biggest
room in the hospital, the whole cast and crew, and
I'll make it up to one hundred and ten people
or so, and he did his no asshole policy speech,
and what he meant was, you don't have to come
to work and be on pins and needles, but you
have to come to work and treat each other with respect.

(34:35):
And Billy, who does not like confrontation and is not
mister tough guy, when he laid that down, he meant it.
And so if you come to work and you're an asshole,
and this circles right back into the sexual harassment, but
he wasn't just talking about sexual harassment. That if you
can't be nice to each other, you will be fired.
And subsequently a couple of people were for breaking the

(34:57):
no asshole policy. And I've brought that with to a
couple of different things that I've produced since I bring
the casting crew around. I'm sure not as elegant and
graceful as Billy doing it, but if you can't be nice,
and Billy knew one thing we didn't that we were
going to be there for quite a while as far
as years go, and he introduced the no asshole policy,

(35:19):
and I've stolen it on everything I do. Everything I produced,
I tell the casting crew there's a no asshole policy here.
You can do whatever you want, but be nice or
I'm gonna fire you. Yeah, that's great, you know, I
just can't put his money where his mouth was. I
don't understand how you can go to work and just
be an asshole. Like, there's a lot of pricks out there.
There's a lot of assholes out there, you know. Whenever

(35:40):
I started, whenever you start a new job, I had
a friend who would always be like, who's the asshole?
Like you'd have to find out who they are? So
let me ask a question. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong,
but I want to ask this question. If somebody's being
an asshole, right, is it just you're fired? Or if

(36:02):
somebody's being an asshole, at what point does it become
all right? I can't take this anymore. You are going
to be escorted out of here. Seems really nearly fired people.
You have to they have to be doing something that
is affecting the workplace, and in this obviously in this
case of sexual harassment, but it could be um, you know,

(36:24):
just being a hard especially on a movie set, someone
who's just bringing a toxic energy and and and making
everyone not do their their best. Um. There are lots
of times when characters get written off of shows and
it's for no other reason that everyone was like fuck this.
But I think, by the way, this is not exclusive
to actors, because yeah, I'm about to say somebody people

(36:49):
were not actors. Yo. No, I don't think any of
the more actors. But I'm saying I was using the
story of the times that when you hear like creative differences,
that often means the person these were an asshole. Right.
I always dot admit they just saw differently than the
director saw it. But yeah, I get it. Well. I

(37:10):
mean sometimes that you know a lot of times when
it's like date date conflicts, it's like no conflicts, The
dates didn't conflict. The person was like, I gotta tell you,
I thought Laverne had a couple of a couple of
one liners here to drop me. The Hilton sisters thing,
yes when she goes other way around, sugar, and then

(37:31):
when she when she drops mister Roberts flex to wear
my proceeds. Yeah, and she does it so dead, so dead.
So if LaVerne's story is true, and we don't really know, um,
mister and missus Hilton named their two daughters after LaVerne's breath. Now,
I'm not sure how that would have transpired, but she

(37:55):
just yeah, she's very funny. Also tell Uni maybe maybe
left no whack back to anybody's unibrow, But that made
me left, he said, my waxers in the Bahamas? What
was I supposed to do? Get another one that came
out of nowhere? I mean, why does Todd just randomly
have a unibrow? There's no other reference to it. It's

(38:17):
just it's just that's writers climbing the wall in season three,
I love, I would love. I'm thinking that would be
the funniest thing to be in the writer's room, be like,
all right, who's going to be in charge of writing
the Todd jokes for this episode? So you know, uh,
do you know that the writer's rooms there were two

(38:38):
before the strike, there was seven in each room and
Bill with leapfrog back and forth as each episode was written.
It was the psychiatric ward of the hospital. Yeah. Yeah,
imagine the energy that was steward in those rooms. Absolutely. Um.
How about when when Donald goes to Todd hot chick
at twelve o'clock and he looks at and he looks up,

(39:02):
what a moron is a hot cheek on the ceiling? Right,
He's a moron? So the janitor and Ted we learn um, Yes,
this is a joke that not a lot of people
paid attention to. Not a lot of people paid attention
to this joke, because this joke should have been running
for it. Ever, this is a joke that could have
gone on and on and on and on and on.

(39:23):
We learned that the janitor and Ted frequent a Korean
singles night at a Korean church, and the janitor brings
the date to the work the next day. I mean,
are we supposed to infer that she's left over? And
also it turns out that he's multi lingual. Yeah, yes,

(39:44):
they both are. They both are they well, they both
know enough conversational Korean Johnny to hit on on Korean
single women. It's it's not unusual, but for some reason,
I guess because I don't get to watch them all.
But when every time Sam opens his mouth and off
freaking episodes, I'm dying when he dumps that fucking cookie. Yeah,

(40:13):
never have been such a great spin off of all
the secondary characters, like custodians, great legal custodians. But I
mean like going into the lives of you know, I
don't know, you know, how these days a show will
do something like a totally different episode. You know, there
was an episode of Master of None that was went
off and started following people that had never been in

(40:33):
the show before, and then at the end it had
it had a purpose, and it was really cool. If
we were making this show today, you could do a
whole episode where was like we just follow Sam and
like it's like he's not even in the hostel. He
has like he has like a week off. I just
want to follow a week of Ted's Like, I gotta
tell you. I've told you this before, but you dancing

(40:56):
is the biggest gift to the writer's room in the
history of the world. They use it with everything. It's
it's we need, we need, we need a special moment
Donald dance. It was good though it was gold. I'd forgotten.
You know, your other one gets so much attention. I
didn't remember this moment. I didn't either. I didn't remember
it either. Now are you singing MC hammer? Yes? But

(41:19):
is hammer playing on the boombox? Or is it you
playing hammer on the boombox? No, it's it's it's it's
not hammer on the It's not hammer. She calls me
hammer because of my dancing. Oh, but I say a
rap going, or you're just rapping something? What are you?
Are you rapping? I forgot. I think there's a rap going.
I think there's music. I only ask because on scrubs
Wiki it says um that it's here comes the Hammer

(41:42):
originally by Hammer, performed by Donald Fazon. That's not true.
It's not true. No, that wasn't me rapping. That wasn't
that wass Wicky? Well, what's what's his name? Trevor, Yeah, Trevor, Yeah, Trevor,
get it together, Trevor. Actually, let's try Trevor here, Daniel
and Joel, Trevor, do you know that that's sorry, we've

(42:04):
we've discovered a mistake on scrubs. Wicky. You can you
can try and defend it right now if you want to, Trevor. Yeah, Trevor,
How would you let such a horrible mistake get through
on scrubs? Wicki, that is not Donald rapping as MC hammer.
Are you saying all African Americans sound alike? Trevor, trev
trev you don't have to answer that. You don't have

(42:28):
to answer that. You walk away from that one, because
you're in trouble if you answer that one. All right,
he's been he's been disciplined. There's no way to answer that. Hey,
there's Zach, Donald, Joel and Daniel. It's the Internet. It's
littered with misinformation. Apologies about the error on the wiki.
I fixed the edit that Donald was the one rapping.

(42:49):
I think I was just mesmerized by his dancing. Johnny,
Is that a Star Wars pinball machine in your back round?
It is absolutely? Oh my god, Donald, did you know
that in Indiana? John One? Oh my god, Donald, did
you know that? Yeah? He showed it to me. Okay,
how is the golf game, Johnny? Was? Was it fun
to swing the axe with Donald? I like to play

(43:13):
by myself because I like to play against the course
and see how close I can get to par. That's
kind of the way I play golf because I don't
bet and I don't drink on the golf course. And
so a kindred spirit is Donald, who obviously is a
much better athlete than I am. He has better feet,
he has better hands, he has a better swing, and
to be able to be with him for an hour
and a half was spectacular. Was amazing. Man. It was

(43:35):
such a good time, and I wish I can get
back there. It's just that for some reason. Now every
Thursday or Wednesday, I'm fucking working. It seems like I
don't know how that great conflict but nowhere. I love
that you invite him to a nice course, because this
guy is often playing not the nicest courses, and he

(43:57):
loves golf so much, so if you anytime, you can
bring him to one of those swanky places as as
his his joy. I want to join, man, I want
to join, but we are in a pandemic right now,
and my wife ain't let me spend no money. I
will say that when when you and Sarah are talking
about the conflict between a female doctor or an Afrian

(44:18):
American doctor and then doctor Rhodes watched me. Yeah, I
don't remember the stuff, and so what I remember it
smacks me. It's great that I do remember that. I
remembered that when I did remember, Wait, who wrote this?
This was no Gabby? Gabby wrote it. Gabby got skills?

(44:39):
Yes she does, yeah he on did you hear on
the show? No, we had Gabby on the show. She
didn't watch the episode. She missed the memo that now
I got something to listen to tomorrow morning. She missed
a memo that you supposed to watch the episode before
she came on. So she came on. She came, but
she came on the show and she was like, I
love the podcast. It's such a great podcast. But she

(45:02):
had never listened to whatever. Yeah, I remember this. M
the two guest ladies who were playing Jordan's friends, they
were very nice. But here's the conundrum. I sound like you.
Here's the conundrum. Am Beth David's who played one of them,

(45:25):
had a horrible cold, like like should have been in
bed cold, and they had to mount me in that
vampire fantasy, and I remember thinking like this is I'm
so gonna get fight. Like obviously normally when you see
someone who super sick and they're like sorry, I'm saying
you're like go away, go away, don't come near me.
I had to like make out with this woman, and

(45:46):
so she's like mounting me with her I should be
in bed cold and chopping on my neck and I
remember thinking like, ops, know, well, this was back in
the day before you could get knocked on your ass
from shit like. So she goes on to either she

(46:08):
goes on to either have already done or will do
Schindler's List. I think she had already done. Yeah, she
had done it already. Yeah. What years? Uh is that? Daniel?
Can you get that first? Real quick? What years should
she spectacular Shindler's list? Um, Yeah, she's got a big career.
She's been in lots of things. Ninety three. Oh yeah,

(46:30):
so that was long time. And who is who is
the other young woman? Who is? I have scrubs? WICKI open,
I can tell you Ulie Julie Warner, oh white? And
she she played with Michael J. Fox in Doc Hollywood.
I think, yeah, so anyway possible. They were they were great,
and they were great and did a fun job. But
my memory is that she had to both pros. Yeah, yeah,

(46:53):
she had to be a real trooper because she just
had to do it. And I had to pray to
yeah way that. Um, I didn't get sick, all right, Yeah,
you're right, Doc Hollywood. Absolutely? Um did you laugh when
I hide in the cabinet amongst the stuffed animals? Like
et always funny, always funny? Um, I like young Bob

(47:21):
kelso doing was worth worth? And and then and then
Todd listening to Annie of all father, Yeah decided he
was listening to Annie. Well, I think they were trying
to sit. I don't know what were they trying to say?
His father it is hard that his father was, that
his father was hard on him so that when he

(47:42):
came out of it, he goes, it was a hard
knock life. Yeah, but no, but his father was like
supposed to be like Todd. But then but Todd's not listening.
Todd's listening to the Annie soundtrack, So I don't know,
I don't really understand the fantasy. But his dad's not
like Todd. His dad's drinking beer and all of that stuff.
His dad's like it seemed like his dad was an
abusive dad. No, his dad was talking. Wasn't his dad

(48:04):
saying something about women? And which would be like that's
where he got it from. But then Todd's like, Dad,
I'm listening to Annie. Yeah, I guess I don't understand. Also, Zachie,
when you carry I love when actors have a preoccupation,
in other word, something that's happening outside of frame for
the character. And so when you bring in you're a
canary in the coal mine here, or I'm sorry, you're

(48:24):
you're the cat who ate the canary. When you come
in and you you're going you know, you're already reported
Cox for sexual but you don't tell him. And then
Ted comes in and pays it off. It's you look
like you have the secrets to some unbelievably crazy thing
and it's great. It's and the lens just devows that stuff.

(48:48):
Oh man, Yeah, I wondered. I was like, why is
he running off so fast? Why is he doing this?
And then Ted comes up and explains it. How about
the fact that Todd is actually proud of his sexual
harassment compliments? Yeah, yeah, says she says forty seven or
whatever the number. Yes, um, and Judy goes the term

(49:09):
melons is just as bad as sweater meat. Sweater meat
as as usual. I don't want to get in trouble
for uh not for separating. But Judy looks absolutely spectacular always,
not that she doesn't always, Okay, I want to get that,

(49:30):
but she looks absolutely She's a knockout. She's a knockout
or Judy Yes, I love the fact that she's put
in charge of the sexual harassment meetings and can't get
anybody to show up to the to the meetings. I
love it. Well. The only I think she got everyone
that was in the box right, She got she gets
everyone in a button right, and then she has to
explain to them why they're there. And I don't. I

(49:53):
don't get the Todd one. I do get the kin one.
I do get the kind one. He's from another era.
But Tom should be out on his ass, dude, I'm sorry, Well,
that dude should be out on his ass. Todd would
be so fired in twenty twenty. Oh my god. We
used to have these big meetings and Johnny mentioned the
no asshole policy meetings, but we would also have a
sexual harassment meaning right, and they were really hilarious, not

(50:18):
because of the material, which everyone you know, was digesting,
but the questions that we could ask, many by Donald,
which were very funny. Those are the least effective seminars
in the history of seminars. Yeah, but it did. It
did well until you have somebody ask a question that's like,
oh boy, here we go, you know what I mean,
Like it was there. There were there were a couple

(50:39):
of questions where it was you know, there were a
couple of questions that involved dogs, coup, you know what
I mean. It was. I can't put it. I can't
put a whole room full of comedy writers in all
of us in a room and be like, all right,
you're gonna gonna but it was good. The person who
led it, I remember, was a funny person too, and
so it was. It went fast, all right. The guest
is here? Should we take break? Yes, stud that We'll

(51:01):
be right back with a fancy beautiful guest. You okay,
welcome back, and um here comes Emily. Ladies and gentlemen,
please give it up for the one, the only, the only, Emily. Emily. Hi,

(51:29):
there you are. Oh good, you're lying down, Hire, lying down, Hi, Emily.
Welcome to the program. We have Johnny c McGinley with
us today. Hello, Amma, that's amazing. Hi. We're very we're
very happy you're joining us on the on the podcast.
I don't know if you heard this, Johnny. We may
have mentioned it before you came on, but we've just
been told we are the most downloaded new comedy podcast

(51:54):
on Daniel thunder supplause and then maybe a timpany sort
of finished to that. Don't yeah, like like the end
of Star Wars. Don't don't don't, don't, don't, don't don't do. Emily,
Welcome to the program. Where are you calling from? I'm
calling from Shanghai, China. Oh what time is It's six

(52:21):
am China. This is this is our first call from
from China. Uh, it's my first call from China as well. Um,
I'm in Shanghai right now. We just moved here on
We left on Wednesday from the States, and I guess
today is Saturday. I'm not sure it's Saturday here, right? Yes,
that was quarantine. Did you guys have to quarantine and

(52:43):
all that stuff? Are you quarantine? Right? Yeah? I'm quarantining
right now in a hotel. Um. Yeah, it was a
totally reason for your life move to Shanghai. My husband's career.
They were coming here for a couple of years. Do
you feel about that? Are you do you already resent
him and hate him? Or are you excited? No, I'm

(53:05):
actually a little worried that I'm going to embarrass him
in some way. So that's what I'm mostly concerned about,
is that I'm going to be because I'm the streets.
Well he's at work, and I'm gonna be like arguing
with vendors and you know, just being a crazy American
in Shanghai. Oh that sounds like a fun adventure. Did
you learn the language at all or are you gonna
learn the language? No, it was kind of it wasn't.

(53:27):
We weren't sure if it was going to all come together. So,
you know, I've been working and raising kids and unable
to really put in the time to study, but I
did learn. I'm sorry, Dubuchi, you're going to be a yeah, yeah,
get some basics down. I'm sorry, I'm sorry I don't
speak Chinese. Um, I'm sorry you speak English idea. So sorry, Yeah,

(53:51):
So I'm gonna spend I can't work while I'm here,
so I'm going to spend, you know, however much time
trying to get fluent. So that'll be great, that'll be fun. Well, yeah,
get one of those um apps. They have really helpful apps.
We we we advertise one, don't you advertise? We advertise one? Yeah, Joel,
what's the one we everised? Right? Babbel? Yeah, yeah, we
advertise babbel. Get yourself, get yourself, get yourself some babble

(54:13):
o get myself. So all right, do you have a
question for us? Emily? You have you have Daniel here, Donald,
the legendary Johnny c anything, go ahead, Yeah, so Donald,
my question is actually for you. And yeah, finally you
know something on this podcast for like, however, many episodes
and they don't ever ask me anything. They always ask

(54:33):
zac about Garden State through that and then and then
when then they start asking about kids and family and
they don't want to ask me. They want my wife
to come on the show and come up. I hope
this is something that I can answer, and that's something
that I have to go get my wife for it.
Let's go, Emily, that's better be about the dagab Yeah.
If it's about If it's about Star Wars, I got you.

(54:54):
If it's about Star Wars in China, I got you.
All right, go ahead, Emily. My son's right over there.
He's got a million Star Wars questions that I cannot answer,
even though I'm a huge fan. Okay, so, um, my
question is Donald. So I've been listening to the podcast
obviously for since you guys. You guys started and sometimes
you guys burst into song, which I love. Um, but

(55:14):
I've noticed that you Donald, whenever you start singing something,
you start singing it exactly at the right pitch that
the song was written in and so and that you yeah,
and so I was and that's what I wanted to
ask was do you have perfect pitch? Or I do? Now?
Am take something right now? I do now? I do?

(55:36):
HALLA asked me any any artists out there who needs
like a cover of your song or you just want
to do a collab with me? You heard it from
M I got perfect pitch. I got you you need,
you need, you need, you need a Nate Dog, you
need a you need something like that. I could say,
I I got you know, I got I got a
little bit of something like that. I can't, I can't.
I can't ever be the late great Nate Dog. You

(55:57):
can't ever you can't ever ever ever ever placed a
late great Nate Dog. But I could sing a little
something on your wrap hooks. Um Donald is self deprecating
at times, but has the most incredible voice. And also
he can seamlessly find the harmony too. He always find
the harmony, don't you know? And that lends that lends
to that theory, right, because most people can't do that.

(56:20):
They can't just come in right on the right note.
I think a lot of people, I mean, especially if
you can hear the music, yeah it's easy. But if
you can't hear the music, you know, hey, yeah, I
don't know I don't know. I appreciate you saying that.
I'm gonna want to sing a little something for Emily
in Shanghai. Do you want to sing like something for Christmas?
Like sleigh bells? R? Absolutely? Oh, the weather outside is

(56:47):
frightful with the fire is so delightful. And since there's
no place to go, let it snow, Let it snow,
Let it snow. That's all I know. To the song man.
We finally kiss good night beautiful. Donald and I did
a rendition of Baby It's Cold Outside years ago. That

(57:07):
was a huge hit, although now you can't only say
that song anymore unless you change the lyrics. What's in
this drink? That's probably what about bring Me your afro Comb?
That was funny though in our song it's a fucking brush. Yeah,
that's so. The song. The lyric was she says, Hey,
lend me your comb, and in the song I said, hey,

(57:28):
lend me your afro comb, and he goes, it's a
fucking brush. If you've never seen it, you gotta go
check it out. It was pretty funny. Donald. That was
our first like, we just thought it would be a
silly thing to do, and it went so viral, and
I remember we went to Hawaii and we were watching
the YouTube count. You were like, oh my god, look
what's happening. It was like it was everywhere. Yeah. Um,

(57:51):
all right, Emily, do you have another question? I do,
and and Donald. I'm sorry this is a parenting question,
but I think you could probably answer kick he's not
allowed on this one. Yeah, Johnny, I'm gonna go get
her now just because you didn't know, just because you
did that, I'm going to get her. No, don't go
get her, don't go get her, don't go get her.

(58:11):
I'm gonna do it. Man. You I have a feeling
your fucking whole thing about getting Casey is going to
fucking take a quick hit of the blunt. And we
got Emily, I'm from smoking weed. I'm going to get
safe hold on Okay, Jesus christ A right, sorry, oh
my god. You can commence with your question, yeah, Emily,
and begin your question. Okay. Well, actually first I want

(58:33):
to show you this. So in China, milk comes in
a sack. Okay, okay, is thought that was cool? Okay, Um,
what's your question? Um? Yeah, So my question was, Um,
I have an eight year old and a five year
old and a pretty soon to be born year old.

(58:53):
And it's just a big age difference between eight and
a newborn. And I just wanted to ask how you
manage how do you foster a relationship between your older
kids and your very young kids? And how you yeah, yeah,
she wants to know how you foster old relationship between
your young kids and your old kids. That's Casey Donald's wife. Hi,

(59:15):
it broke, Yeah, it broke. I've been I've been doing
this looks like a sound Oh my god, it broke.
He broke his headphones. You send my voice broke it
word your loud voice. Probably voice broke my headphones. That's
so funny. Oh my god, I forgot Casey. You're a
And say, how did Johnny ce? Casey? We're good. He

(59:35):
looked beautiful. Normally are our go to parenting question? And
we also have Johnny here who has a young children,
but you go first. How do you foster relationship between
an older child and a younger child? How do you
how do you have them all be copacetic? You know what?
Our situation was kind of crazy. Um, you know, Donald
has older kids and we have our little ones. And

(59:56):
Donald booked a job and on the East Coast and
a week before he left, the kid the older kids said,
we're moving in. And then Donald said, so the older
kids are going to move in, and I'm gonna move
to New York. So, um, we kind of just got
thrown into it and and it was sink or swim,

(01:00:17):
and thankfully we all swam. But um, you know what
I just did. Very this is just my own thing.
I grew up in a divorced family. Until this day,
no one has ever said a negative thing about the other.
And so I'm a firm believer in not talking negatively,
whether it's you know, someone's lazy or this or anything

(01:00:41):
in front of my kids. So yeah, so that they
just they they only see a positiveness from having a
big brother and a big sister. And um, because we
really didn't we it was rough. It was rough at first.
It was rough at first, and it came from a
broken relationship too, whereas uh, my ex wife and I

(01:01:01):
we weren't. We didn't get along, and uh, God rest
her soul, she passed away, and with her passing, with
her passing away, it opened up the relationship for myself
and my older kids. And uh, you know, uh, this
is always a difficult thing for me to talk about.
But yeah, because we didn't we didn't have a relationship.

(01:01:24):
We didn't have a relationship with them at all, and
not we had a bit of a relationship, but it
wasn't you know, Casey didn't really know my daughter or
my youngest son before we had kids. And and so
you know, the fact that she was able to do
what she did and take care of my responsibilities when

(01:01:45):
I was out of town, you know, helped out tremendously. Uh.
And I feel like I feel like now and I
could be wrong, honey, and if I'm wrong, you can
totally correct me. But I feel like we were a
well oiled machine now because of it, and we all
you know, right, I think I think a lot that
helped us was that he was out of the equation.
So we were forced and I mean that in a

(01:02:07):
possitive way, like we were forced to all develop our
own relationship on our own without him overcompensating on this
and overcompensating all that and worrying about are you did
you check with them or did you hug them or
did they check with you? And you know, so all that,
you know, crap was out the window. It was more like, hey,

(01:02:31):
I'm in charge and we're all in this together. Let's
let's do it. But I have to say where I
don't are these are your kids the youngest or the oldest.
So sorry, I wasn't think these are all home hours.
But yeah, my son is just my husband has a
ten year age gap between him and his brother, and

(01:02:53):
they don't you know, they have a good relationship, but
it's not close. And I'm just worried that my son
is who is going to be nine, is going to
not have a close of a relationship with his youngest sibling. Yeah. Well,
well I personally, video games is something I can't I
cannot stand. It was the one I just can't stand it.

(01:03:13):
I think they wrought my kids brains any kid, and
I just am not for it. His son, the oldest one,
is a huge gamer, and I had to We fought
so much about it, but it was the one thing
that that my seven year old and the eighteen year
old could connect on that that you know, that's a
good point. And eighteen year old doesn't want to hang

(01:03:35):
out with a seven year old, but when you're frying
your brain together, it doesn't matter. Yeah, find something, just
that one thing whether you like it or not, and
just let them go to town on it really and yeah,
I need to be more of a cool mom like that.
You're right, but but limit it because it was hard. Yeah. Um.

(01:03:59):
And then the daughter just if it's girls, you know,
it was all about dancing. So they just taught each
other to dance. And you know, my daughter looks up
to her big sister like she's the queen. So it was.
So it sounds like your answer is fine, things that
they can find in common, because obviously they will be

(01:04:20):
able to find things that they like in common. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I love that. Thank you, nice to see you. Thanks
for letting me come back on Zach bullshitan liar man.
First thing I said to Donald, He was like, babe,
can you come up real quick? I said, oh god?
What He was like, oh, there's family stuff on. I

(01:04:43):
was like, is Zach pissed? And you were don't lie,
don't lie. I love it when you come on. I
just think that occasionally he can answer a parenting question
without needing to call a friend. Well, this is a
glimpse inside our marriage. Guys. There's no occasionally where he
can answer a parenting question. Oh my God, you're not

(01:05:06):
funny at all. Get out. I would watch this reality show.
All right, Donald, it's time for Shanghai's favorite segment of
the show. It's time to fix your life? All right, Emily,
you have some very wise minds here. How can we
help you in any way fix your life? Do I

(01:05:28):
need to go get Casey again? Oh? Okay, No, no,
I think this. I think you're I think you're capable here. Okay.
So yeah, so I'm more of an introvert, and now
obviously I'm somewhere where I don't have any support socially
or anything like that. So I'm gonna have to make
an effort and like make friends and stuff. I know,
y'all seem like extroverts to me at least. So do

(01:05:50):
you have any tips on how to go out and
make this city my home? Yeah? It's really sigur it out.
Get an only fans page. It's the god you'll have. Okay, Casey,
Well listen, Johnny. Actually I think you could be good

(01:06:12):
this because when you go on location, you're you constantly
are forced to start a new existence and figure out
your way around you any tidbits when you get to
a new place, what do you do when when you
settle in for a location. Donald, you just recently did
it with Jersey City as well. Have two answers. I
have two answers. First, I wanted to revisit Emily's first question,

(01:06:35):
and I have. The way I do it around here
with the children is if you can make them feel
equally valued. And the way you work backwards for making
a child feel equally valued is if you can say
out loud, I love you the most because, and then
there's an ellipsis, and for each child if you can
tell them why you love them the most, and it's

(01:06:56):
an individuated package. So I love you the most because
you make me laugh at night, you get best snuggles
on the planet. And then for the five year old,
I love you the most for an entirely different reason
because you're the greatest storyteller and no one else can
touch some of the tales that you sell. And for
the baby, even though he or she can't understand you,

(01:07:17):
I love you the most because and that, and then
people start to feel equally valued. You're not going to
be able to manipulate how they feel and treat each other.
That's when they become individuals. Your husband who has a
ten year gap between his brother. That's not the parent.
The parents had nothing to do with that. They're they're individuals.

(01:07:37):
They get to feel that way. But you can foster
an environment where people feel equally valued. And that's huge
if you could just foster that. It's huge in a
tangible way, not in some granola way, in a tangible way,
and as far as pandemic notwithstanding. When I get to
a new location, to Zach's question, I'm a foodie and

(01:08:00):
I find a really nice, nice grocery store, whether it's
a mom pod joint or or a Whole Foods, and um,
that's that's where I start. I start. I don't talk
to anybody anyway, but I barely talk to myself, and
so a grocery stores is where I start. I would
think you're gonna I think you're gonna have a leg

(01:08:20):
up because of the children. So I imagine the children
will be in a in a blore, some sort of
program for maybe are there going to be in some
school for ex pats. I'm assuming yeah, yeah, so that
you're right. You're right, I'm gonna have to be friends
with all the other moms. That's yeah, No, I think
it's a good starting point for you to like. The
school seems like it will be a good a good
hub for you to get a quint and you know,

(01:08:43):
and they can give you the lowdown like, oh this
is this is a great place to take the kids,
or this is a great restaurant for you and your husband,
all that stuff. Donald, go ahead. I would I would
don't mention those restaurants in homebook. And again please yeah, man,
I'm trying to listen. Man, you need to go to
this one restaurant in Hoboken. I can't really, I spoke

(01:09:05):
too much weed to remember the name I got name
or Johnny's you in China? Right you in China in
a spot You in Shanghai, right a spot on Malcolm
X Boulevard in China. Um, you know, I usually start

(01:09:26):
at the gym. I'm gonna be honest with you. That's
the easiest way to make friends, to be if you
really want to make friends, go to the gym. Somebody's
gonna say something eventually. They can't help it. Somebody's gonna
be like, how much a bench? Eventually. When I first
moved to I didn't know that the that the Gold's
Gym Hollywood was considered a really gay jim Um and

(01:09:50):
I started going there and everyone was so helpful to me,
and I just so awful or awesome to you. They
were so helpful. They remember coming home to my girlfriend
and being like, God, everyone at this gym, they're all healthy.
Want one guy was like teaching me how to squat. So, yeah,

(01:10:11):
you can make lots of friends at the gym. That's
exactly what I'm looking for. You're welcome, Thank you, welcome. Yeah,
we did it. I mean, I don't know if you're
going to get better advice. I'm gonna be honest with you.
You can search all of Shanghai. Yeah, I think we

(01:10:31):
fixed your life. And and Emily, thank you for coming on.
We really appreciate you coming on. Yeah. Thanks, and good luck,
good luck in the Shanghai. Thank you. Thank well. He's safe.
Be happy. I'm kind of nervous for her, just all
of a sudden, being in Shanghai with all these kids,
and she's got to just start for scratch that that
sounds intimidating. Yeah, it seems like she's on our own too.

(01:10:53):
It seems like her husband has his way and knows
what he's going to be doing, but she's kind of
in the dark side of it. I think it sounds
like an amazing adventure, especially since the Chinese have done
such a better job with COVID, and I think it's
going to be incredible. She was a bit cryptic about
what her husband was doing. I felt like he might
be a CI agent. Yeah, and I say absolutely, Yeah,

(01:11:15):
something sketchy was going on with the husband because he
She was like, it's a job and it was last
minute and yeah, now we live here. Yeah, and I
think a spy was transferred. God, Johnny, can I tell
you that when when Krista has this super clean moment
at the end of the episode when she simply says

(01:11:35):
I missed Ben without any historyonics, no, no trying to
squeeze the towel out, just she just states it as
a fact and she almost throws it away and it
is fantastic. Yeah, Johnny, I was going to say something
about that because I thought she was gonna go into
a whole spiel about it, and I was like, and

(01:11:57):
when she didn't do it, I was like, oh, thank god,
Oh wow, thank god. You know what I mean, very simple, yeah, yeah,
oh thank god. And so when that happened. That was
a very powerful moment for me also, you know, uh,
and and and it really you know, my wife was
just on the show, you guys know how I am.

(01:12:19):
I'm very all about me and everything like that, and
it was clear, and it was so I was so
happy for doctor Cox also because now he's healing, you
know what I mean. The minute that he realized, Okay,
I'm hurting, but I'm not even thinking about the woman
in my life who was related to this this man,
I'm not even thinking about her. And I'm and and

(01:12:40):
and I'm giving her a hard time too, Like you
have all your friends here, get them the fuck out
of here. I'm having a hard time with all of this,
you know what I mean. And then when he realizes, oh,
she's hurting and that's why they're still here. He can
now heal, and now he can help her heal, you know. Yeah,
And Bill puts this genius button at the end of it.

(01:13:03):
She says, we have a chemical peel tomorrow. They leave,
and Chris, it just goes, no, we have a chemical
peel tomorrow. And it's the loveliest button and she just
again she just plays it right down the little it's
a fact they can't leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the chemical
peel Tomorrow. We're not going to cancel our chemical peel.

(01:13:26):
I thought it was the best non precious button ever. Um,
all right, I think we did it, guys. I think
that episode. I think we successfully recapped the episode for everybody. Johnny,
it is so good to see you always. I miss you.
I'm jealous of your biceps that I'm looking at right now. Dude,
you are in such great shape still. Man, are you
eating food or are you like, are you like eating

(01:13:50):
anything that has salt or sugar in it by any chance?
Like the body needs that. I know, not a lot
of it, but the body needs it. That's what you
tell yourself when you eat your donuts my right, when
I mean my Dunkin donuts. You absolutely right, That's what
I tell myself. Yeah, remember the beginning of the podcast,
you I didn't. I just saw. I gave it back

(01:14:16):
because it was it was the size. It was huge.
It was an industrial size donut making for making. It
was for like if you wanted to start a donut company. Yes,
it was like the size of his dining room table. Yes,
it's the funniest. God, my mife was like we're taking
it back all right, everybody. Thank you to our listeners
for making us the most downloaded new comedy podcast of

(01:14:39):
twenty twenty. We really yeah, ship and uh and Johnny,
it's so great to always see you and we love you.
And now Donald will lead us all in song. Here's
some stories about a show we made or do you
want me to go into the goings box six? Yeah,

(01:15:01):
it ain't stories about sure we made about a bunch
of docs and nurses and the janitor who loved me.
I said, he's the stories never you all should know.
So gada around you. Here are gathera around you. Here
are free while shows at the time. Mm hmmm