616: My Words of Wisdom

On this week's episode, after Laverne's funeral, the hospital staff tries to take the lessons she left behind and implement them into their own lives. In the real world, we're introducing a new segment where we call cast and crew from Scrubs to discuss their time on the series! Listen to find out who we called this week. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, guys. What's up? Motherfuckers? How are you? You know,
from your camera on so I can see your beautiful face.
Oh you want to see my face? Motherfucker? Okay, starting
a little aggressive there. It is your background, blurred background.
I like it because I've been having I've been okay.
So I'm doing a pilot right now with John Cryer

(00:25):
and he's very funny. And Abigail Spencer's very I know
her too. Yeah, you guys the odds great in power. Yeah,
she was in OZZ. She's a really nice person. Yeah,
and we are, the three of us are doing a
pilot together with Tom Werner. Believe it or not, remember
Carcia Warner. Remember single Camp. It's sitcom multi Camp for NBC. Great, congratulations,

(00:51):
thank you very much. And has to do with why
you blurred your background. So I've been having to do
all of these zoom meetings and stuff like that with
the producers and some people from the network. And we
had a table read in front of the studio, and
I didn't want my wife's drapes dresses well, same shit,
her drapes in the background, hanging in front of all

(01:13):
of these people. So the funny thing is the algorithm
is you can see, doesn't know what to do with
your So it's it's so confused that they keep appearing
and disappearing. All right, let me fix this. Yeah, unfix
it because we know about your clothes. We're not a studio,
thank you. That's where there are man. Wait, wait, congrats,

(01:33):
that's awesome. Are you having fun doing the pilot? Yeah?
You know, it's a crazy thing because in this in
this climate, you know, you would think that people aren't
looking for sitcoms anymore. Well, they're They're always. Every time
someone proclaims the sitcom dead, it comes back. You just
need a good one. You know, people grew up on them,
they love them. Friends is still with a new generation.

(01:56):
The most popular TV show people love Seinfeld. You just
gotta find you just need you know, if it works,
it works. Yeah. So we're taking a swing at that.
And I got one of the best to ever do
it in John Cryer. Yeah, in the team, so he knows,
he knows how to do it. And Michael Malley is
writing it. So it's a it's actual. Do you have
funny jokes? Are you hilarious? I think I have funny jokes.

(02:19):
I think I'm funny. You know, I don't. I don't know.
You know, when do you shoot the because for the audience,
he doesn't know. Um, you know, you a sitcommon from
a live audience. You rehearse for a week or maybe
a pilot longer, and then you eventually bring in an
audience where you have a live audience. In these will
be in the covid Era, there will be a live audience.
The trick is they're up in the stands and you

(02:42):
don't have a lot of people on the floor anymore,
so like you know, hanging out in in video village
and all of that stuff that doesn't exist anymore, right,
But at least you'll have real audience. You know, in
the covid Era, they they were doing things like having
just some of the crew up there, or they would
have a fake laugh track. Um, you know, the fun

(03:03):
of doing a comedy sitcom is having real people laugh.
So that's that's good. You're gonna have that. When do
you When do you do the taping on my birthday
which is Wednesday? Business So I'm working on my breath.
I love to work on my birthday. You know. If
my wife can't come, I'm sorry, baby. You can't come either.
They told you your wife couldn't come. Well, they're saying

(03:26):
she can't be on the floor and she has to
sit in the audience. I'm not trying to send in
the audience. I don't. I didn't think you would want
to do that either, So no, but I just think
it's lame. Like I can test, I'll test, I'll do everything.
I'll enter the protocol of the show. Well, this will
come out the day before my birthday, So let's which
is the day we shoot? What a nice present to

(03:46):
get for your birthday? A pilot. I love working on
my birthday. It's the best. It's I gotta think of
what to get you. You wanted to really know what
to get me? It's gonna be some animated saying that's
I don't want to buy you. Okay, what is it?
Is it something you're gonna be like? I need um
there's a special rig for my animation. There is a
special for a while a while ago, you wanted me

(04:12):
to buy a Ah. You know this company control? No, no, no,
you know a company that makes um an animatable? Is
that the word puppets and uh? And they do likenesses
and you have one the one that you always put
on your Instagram is you, and you were saying that
I needed to get me so you could animate us together, Yes,

(04:34):
and do like the Scrubs. Pretty narcissistic. If my present
to you was an animated puppet of me, it would
be the best gift ever could I could do like
the the I could animate the opening theme song for
our podcast and put it on. All right, So, how
much is it? How much is the puppet? About ten
thousand dollars? Shut the fuck up, I'm dead serious, man,

(04:55):
I had to pay so much money for this puppet.
I look, I'm not buying you a ten doll I mean,
I'm not buying you a ten thousand dollar birthday present.
I wouldn't ask you to buy me a ten thousand
dollar birthday I know. I didn't think you're gonna say ten.
I thought you might say three. No, that's just not no.
This is there a three version. Mine doesn't have to
be as good as yours. These things last forever, one day,

(05:18):
last forever. Listen to me trying to sell you on it.
I'm Donaldson from the Puppet Animation Company. Your Zach Braf
puppet would last forever. Speaking of animation. I'm taking an
animation course with Ardmin right now, and it's a lot
of fun. Man. Uh, you know, I got my animation,
My animations begin, my beginnings over at Stupid Buddy Studios.

(05:41):
And now I'm I'm I'm branching out into the Ardmin world.
I'm gonna kill this flight. It's in my closet. Um,
I'm branching out into the Ardmin world, and uh, it's
kind of fun. I'm playing with plastic scene. I'm learning
from you know, the top animators over at Ardment. It's

(06:01):
a lot of you know, you don't get to do
that often. Well, you're you're doing something that's so it's
so interesting to you in such a passion. But even
even even if even that, just the fact that I
was able to get into the academy is great because
they don't let everybody in, and you know, I'm happy
to be a part of it. Well, that's awesome. I'm

(06:24):
in New York. I'm coming home soon. I've been here. Hey,
I was at the Tony's which was a lot of fun.
You look sharp, by the way. It's nice purple blue.
Thank you. I got so much love for that. Tucks.
I gotta tell you, I I used to be such
a conservative dresser, but now I'm trying to spice it
up a little bit and I have. Yeah, I didn't
know what them sneakers you had on at the freaking

(06:45):
panel with Jordan Dirs. Dude, I got dunked on so hard,
so hard. Dude, You're not only dunked on me, but
you grabbed the back of my head and pushed them
into your nuts. It was like, I want everyone to
know that I didn't buy those sneakers. They were present,
and I wouldn't spend that much money on sneakers. I
wouldn't buy dr Nikes, but they are. They were not

(07:06):
Nikes or Jordan's. Okay, I didn't know the technic. I
know they were just d or Nikes. I didn't know
they were they were Jordan Lows. Is that what they are? Yes? Yeah,
they were very They're very beautiful. Yeah, I just wear them. Though.
I guess a lot of people who wear sneaker freaks
would take shoes like that and put them in a
glass case on the on the shelf. But I but

(07:26):
I'm like, I wear them. I mean I don't wear
them everywhere. I don't wear them dog park. Ye, please
don't fucking work those like there, it's a taxicab. Please
don't do that. We don't have Joel today because she's
dealing with some personal matters, but we have DJ Daniel,
who will step up with the extra extra mile today. Daniel,
are you ready? I got my Google searches ready. I

(07:47):
will not fail you this time. Oh, I just wanted
to go back to my suit for one second. Um,
I literally was. I said to them, this is my stylist, like,
I don't want to go full Billy Porter, but let's
do something a little bit brave and uh. And then
I not only ran, not only ran into Billy Porter,
who loved it and commented on it, but ran into RuPaul,
who was like, oh my god, I love that suit.

(08:07):
And I'm like, oh my goodness, coming from you, what
do you call this color? All night? I've been trying
to figure it out? He goes, I think it's antique
rose and I love that. Man. I'm literally like sitting
on the on the sidewalk outside of Radio City Music
Hall discussing what the exact shade of my velvet tuxedough
is from with RuPaul. It was pretty cool, was it?

(08:27):
Nice to catch up with Billy Porter. Yeah, I love Billy.
You know, my career start with Billy and he's just
with Broken Hearts Club and he's just taken off. He's
on such fire with his career and he's such a
good person. I just love the whole Broadway community. Man,
it's such a they haven't done the Tonys in a
few years. And to be invited to introduce Spring Awakening,
which was a show I really loved, and be with

(08:50):
all those actors and I just I just I love it.
I've been here. I've been here seeing a bunch of
Broadway shows, and I encourage anyone who has the means
and in New York to see a Broadway show. It's
a It's an industry that's really struggling um because of
COVID and is trying to come back. And I just
love it. I grew up doing it with my my father,

(09:11):
going with my father and my parents's I've told you before,
And there's just something magical about seeing live theater and
m and being with all those people at the Tony
was really cool. I have a you know, I don't
know Billy Porter, but I you know, my buddy worked
at the theater that five guys named Mo was at,
and Billy Porter was the understudy for you know, the

(09:36):
one of the five guys, right, And I remember seeing
him in no disrespect to the dude who was doing
the show, but I remember seeing the understudy and being like, yo,
why is that the understudy? Right? And then and then
in the same theater that my buddy was the usher at,
I saw Grease and he played you know, the he

(09:59):
did the number of Beau d school dropout. He does
that number, yeah, and he fucking crushes it. Right. Yeah. Now,
I'm I'm going to matinees on Wednesdays where there's not
a lot of people in the audience for these plays
and stuff like that. But I'm telling you something right now,
I just remember I've won. Billy Porter is such a
part of my Broadway experience because of you know, the

(10:20):
limited shows that I did get to see. He was
in two of them, and he was so wonderful and
he was so powerful. It was like, yeah, you know
he's in he's in insane talent and and and you know,
when we were doing Broken Hearts Club together, he had
he just had He's the ultimate example of a whiteboarding
kind of person man. Nobody I know had more had

(10:40):
bigger designs than Billy and big plans, and he's made
it all happen. And I said to him, there day,
I go you better. I hope you're resetting your your goals, man,
because you've accomplished everything that we were talking about when
we were you know, in ninety nine. You know you've
made it all happen and more so, he's a great person. Anyway,
let's get in the show. Donald count us in seven

(11:03):
eight stories about show. We made a n stories yead
around here yea around so last week it was cool.

(11:27):
You guys got to hear the panel we did in Austin.
We had a really fun time doing that, right, Donald
was so great to see everybody. It made me miss
miss them all so much because I see Donald and
I see Bill, but I don't really see much of
the others in real life that much. It's really nice
to see It was great to see Neil, it was
great to see Johnny. It was great to see Judy.

(11:48):
It was great to touch them, you know what I mean,
and and field their presence instead of just seeing it
over his zoom. And then of course it was awesome
to see Sarah. Sarah flew and early and the three
of us got to hang out and in typical Sarah
Chalk fashion, Yeah, she gets stuck in the elevator. Yeah.
We were anticipating, like we told you guys, there's always
some story, and we were anticipating, like, Okay, what is

(12:08):
the thing going to be? And they were like there
was no, there was nothing, and we're like, this is
a little weird, Like Sarah has flown from Canada to Austin,
Texas and has had no crazy story of or anything.
Sarah chalk esk. And then we're all going, the three
of us are going to dinner with my agent and

(12:28):
and Sarah's not coming. We're like, where is she? Where
is she? And we gotta FaceTime. We got one of
those dual facetimes. And I'm stuck in the elevator and
I'm claustrophobic in the elevator and I've and I just
I just realized I'm claustrophobic. Yes no, but she wasn't
like jokey about she just you guys, understand this. This
hotel is nine thousand years old and the elevator stopped.

(12:49):
I need you to tell that. And this hotel was
so old, and it had so many different banks of elevators.
So she's like, tell him, I'm in the one that's
over by the bar, you know, like freaking out, and
they couldn't find it. And then there were and then
there were all these people that she kept pushing the
emergency button and all every every panic button, and there

(13:11):
were all these people asking me to sign Funco pops.
And I was like, which, you know, by the way,
I had only until Austin signed one Funco pop. And
I want to tell the guy who I signed it for.
That happened during the pandemic. Remember when we talked about it. Well,
I've I've now signed nine zillion because those fans, the
fans at the convention has dropped. Yes, I'm sorry. Your

(13:34):
stock is like bitcoin, it is in the toilet because
I signed a lot of them. I mean, I can't
say no to people I feel I want to. I
want everyone to have a signed fun So here's the thing.
Here's the thing. When you signed those things for autograph
seekers and you're signing a bunch of them, they're just
gonna go out and sell your sick I know. But
here's the thing. I can't tell or do I have

(13:56):
the time to tell the difference between a genuine fan
and someone who's just trying to make a bark. A
genuine fan isn't going to ask you for your autograph.
Yes they will, That's not true. Someone who loves the
show and has a scrubs funko pop might ask me
to sign it, as I did with the very first one.
I agree with you that many of these people are
just businessmen and women who are going to try and

(14:19):
sell them on eBay. But what's it worth? Like ten dollars?
I don't I don't know what. What I remember asking
somebody for an autograph when I was a kid and
then realizing after I got the autograph that what the
fuck was I going to do with it? You know
what I did? I went to a net. I'm not
going to stare at that shit like I'm like, It's
not a fucking iPad screen or iPhone screen where you

(14:41):
just stare at it mindlessly. Like what I want to
tell you A funny story. The first one of the
first celebrities I've ever seen in real life was Cadeem
Harris artisan Hartistan, Dwayne Wayne, Yes, Dwayne Wayne, and I
was at a Nets game, and I saw him, and
I was like, oh my god, a real life celebrity,
not only a real life celebrity, the best celebrity. He

(15:01):
was one of the best, okay, but he was at
the height of his fame. And they had placed a
guard next to him because so many people were bothering him.
But I was trying to summon the courage I'd never ran,
never seen a celebrity in real life, let alone, like,
are you going to have the balls to ask for
an autograph? And I did, and he looked so pissed.
And when he scratched on that piece of paper, it

(15:24):
didn't look like Kadem Hardison. It didn't look like anything.
It looked like it looked like scribble. But the subtitles
under the scribbles said fuck off, kid. Well, Kadem is
a sweetheart and it is a great person. And I'm
sure if you yeah, I'm sure, if you still wanted
that autograph, he'd hook it up. Kadeem, if you listen,

(15:45):
I would like a real autograph and if you could
sign it more clearly. But let me tell you what
they did. This is so dorky. This is this answers
your question because I didn't know what to do with it? Right,
So I brought her home and I was treating it
like it was like like it was a gold bar.
I didn't I well, the Charlie and the chocolate factory ticket,
and I didn't know how shoul I display it on

(16:06):
my wall. So I put it in a ziplock bag.
And then I put took a thumbtack and I put
a thumbtacked it into the wall as like a display
of artdeem Hardistan's autograph. If I had any friends over,
I could brag that I had a codeem Hardistan's autograph.
I didn't look like anything other than someone scribbling something. Yeah,

(16:30):
this weekend, this last week, So my kids in basketball camp, right,
and he's at a spot where a lot of NBA
players come through, and Kevin Durant was there right, speaking
of the nets, and you know, I got to introduce
my kid to Kevin Durant, right, And that was the
moment where it was like, what's my kid gonna ask

(16:52):
for from this guy? In my mind, I'm thinking, what's
he gonna say to freaking Kevin Durant. That's gonna be
you know what I mean, that's gonna show that he's
a fan, and so I go, Kevin, can I introduce
you to my son and my kid? And he goes, yeah, absolutely, man,
And the smile on Rocco's face when he meets Kevin
Durant is like, it's the real deal. I wish I

(17:14):
had a camera because you know how you want your
kids to smile when they take a pick. Well, you
guys don't know, but when you want your kids to
smile to take a picture and they give you that
fake shit, it always pisses you off. Right, They're horrible.
Kids are horrible at fake smiles. Right, this is the genuine,
real deal, holy feeling. It's beautiful. And I'm like, this
motherfucker is glowing right now. Look at him right, look
at him shining in front of Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant

(17:36):
asked him a bunch of questions and everything, and then
Kevin Durant looks down at his sneakers and he has
on Jannis and to the Kompo's kids, and Kevin goes, yo,
what's up with your kicks? Man? And Rocco. I could
see in Rocco's face He's like, oh right, and Kevin goes,

(17:59):
don't worry about a kid. I'm a blame your father,
And I go, yes, yeah, I'll take the blame. I'll
take the blame. Don't you know we went out and
got to pay Kevin Durant. Yes, he signed a boy
goes and runs in the kids. I wasn't even wearing
he should be wearing the one's eyes on him. Well,
you gave him the Lebron space jams man. Yeah, you
can't wear those. Aren't those good? No? He could wear them,

(18:20):
he had already outgrown those. Oh man, wow, does he
want to wear my air d or Jordan? What depends
on what size you are, but I'm sure he would. No,
I'm in ten. He doesn't fit the ten. What size?
He's little. He's a young boy. He's not that yet.
Let's get in the show scrubs Donald Phase on My
Words of Wisdom, written by Eric Weinberg and directed by

(18:43):
Victor Nelly Junior. I thought Eric Weinberg had left by
this point, and um, maybe I don't know, I guess not.
Or maybe he left and came back to write one
or something I forgot. Yeah, if do you notice George
Wallace is back as the Preacher. I didn't realize that
he was a recurring roll on its scrubs. I forgot
that he was on before. But he's very funny. It's

(19:04):
the preacher, yes he is. Other times he's every time
we're in that church, he's the preacher. Okay, well he's
very he did a very good job. And um, Jordan
and has officially made a cox named the child's Jennifer
dan Ak j D. Yeah, and and JD walks into

(19:24):
the funeral rejoicing, yes, singing, it's a beautiful moaning. I'm
not realizing that he's walked into the carrying of the
casket and not being very sensitive to LaVerne's funeral, which
is a big problem for Carla throughout this whole episode.
She feels everyone in the hospital is just forgetting about

(19:46):
Laverne a little too soon. I know. I remember feeling
that with myself with with death. Every time a death happens,
you you you are so upset, and of course you
have grief, But then you see people getting back to
their normal I live so quickly and you're like, wow,
it's fucked up. How quickly people move on? Yeah. I
remember at some self help retreat or workshop I did,

(20:10):
someone said one of the most powerful things I've ever said.
Maybe I've said it here on the podcast, but they said,
you know, when you die, people are gonna be very upset.
They're gonna go to your funeral, they're gonna cry, they're
gonna hold each other, they're gonna sob, and then they're
gonna go eat lunch. Yeah. Yeah, and life goes on,

(20:35):
and you know, it's I feel I remember with Nick's
death feeling so guilty that I was like there, I
was like on the treadmill and doing sit ups and
like my life was just going on and I started
crying one day. I was like, it's just so upset
by how quickly, you know, people just start returning to

(20:56):
the normal life. So my, my, that's a long winded
way of saying I really identified with with Carlo's experiencing. Um.
Granted it's exaggerated because it's literally like the day of
LaVerne's funeral, everyone is, but you know it's a hospital.
They go back to work. Yeah. Jendie imagines his own funeral,
which was very funny. In his own funeral, he mentions

(21:17):
that the gospel choir is singing party all the time.
By Eddie Murphy By Eddie Murphy and Rick James. Bitch
Oh they wrote it together. That's a Rick James song. Man,
Come on bro oh, so you're saying he wrote it
and Eddie just performed its. Nick James is even in
the song. He's the one that Actra party she Axtra

(21:37):
party down. Eddie Murphy was legit trying to launch a
music career when we were young. He has some bops
he has he has that Party all the Time is
a bop. I'm gonna what anybody says, That's what I'm do.
You remember Michael Jackson not so much? What's up? What's up?
What's up with you? Was there a full album? I

(21:58):
don't remember. I just remember up your butt, put a
big house your butt? So was it a comedy? Was
it was the album like a comedy album? No? He
was really trying to sing. Yeah. See that's the thing.
Like I was confused. I remember being like I loved
him so much, but I was like, is this like
are these comedic songs or is he really going for it?

(22:18):
I felt like he was really going for it. Party
all the Time is a real gym that he was
trying to put out. Dog that shit bops? Can I
remember the video. I do remember the video. He's smiling
and laughing with Rick James in the video many time,
party all the time? I forgotten the song. If he is,
if he's um upset about his girl wanting to party

(22:40):
all the time, don't give a shit, he don't care.
I don't know the lyrics to the song. If he
if he's if he's against it or supportive of her
desire to party all the time. Well, I'm I'm I'm
gonna say that he's not. Really can you assess from
the leader's celebrating if he's celebrate eating this, I imagine that.

(23:01):
I imagine that it's an expensive habit and he's, oh yeah,
party and it's dam he doesn't want to, you know,
some night's honey, we gotta go home and watch TV.
We're not going to be out drinking chrystal every night?
Is that what it is? Daniel? Yeah, pretty much. I
mean that's the the opening lyrics. Girl, I can't understand it.
Why you want to hurt me? After all the things

(23:23):
I've done for you. I buy you champagne and roses,
put diamonds on your finger, diamonds on your finger? Still
you want to hang out all night. What am I
to do my girl? It's expensive having a girl that
all the time. That's hilarious. All right, well then that's
funny the picture. How about the picture at my funeral

(23:45):
with my hands on my face? And then the casket
is propped up because JD's final wish is to hug
everyone one more time, and Elliott says, you were the
only one I never faked it with. Again, this is
Jad's you know, daydream, And then he finally gets Cox.
It turns out within the fantasy, he faked his death

(24:07):
right just to finally get Cox to hug him. And
then Cox snaps his neck, so he's really dead. And
then we come back and I turned to Kelson when
I go, and then we'd have my real funeral? What
are you an idiot? Like? No, sir, I'm a dreamer.
Now what do you what do you call it? Like?

(24:30):
Is a meme? I know what a meme is, Daniel.
But if it's just like a picture with the dialogue
that happened in that moment, is that still a meme?
That's I think a gift is the one that's electrical
right now, but it's just universal, like a meme is
like any picture with the words on it. These days,
it's to connote an emotion. It's like it's like the
image is the the idea is the image in the

(24:51):
text or whatever. It connotes a feeling that is universal.
And okay, well that quote look at the big brains
on Daniel Dan Well, Daniel knows his um the that
that that meme is one of the most often scrubs
memes I've ever seen. For some reason, someone at some
point made it black and white and I always see
me and kelso are you an idiot? No, sir, I'm

(25:15):
it's a great line, it really is it. Yeah, it
ends the cold open. It's that funny um So, Carla
again is upset. Everyone's moving on. Um Cox has decided,
Oh because um the preacher. No wait, that was another
funny part. Did we can I get an amen? Amen?
Can I get a m m mmmm? Just go? Can

(25:36):
I get amen? Amen? And then by right, that's where
she got it from. From church, From church she got
her famous um Cox's storyline is that he wants twenty
minutes to himself. Oh because sorry, because the preacher in

(25:57):
his sermon mentioned I want you to all find twenty
minutes to to just for yourself so you can appreciate
yourself right to do so, just to appreciate life, appreciate
the appreciate you know, like you know when people it's
it's a shame that we don't realize how precious life

(26:17):
is and how much we need to check in with ourselves.
Until someone dies. We run ourselves ragged, you know what
I mean? Healthy? Yeah, we eat unhealthy, we freaking we
we uh, you know, stress a lot. We put ourselves
in situations that are very dangerous, and we don't realize
that we're doing it until after somebody passes away and

(26:41):
the preacher's saying, you know what this moment that you're
feeling right now, this feeling of you know, she's too
young to have gone, and note, you know, life is
precious and you need to realize that every day and
just take twenty minutes a day to to to check
in with yourself and appreciate life. And so that's what
Cox is trying to do. He takes that literally yes,

(27:04):
um and um, and he gets it constantly interrupted throughout
the episode, and he even builds a pantomime glass box
around himself in the in the Doctor's what do you
call it lounge and everyone and everyone comes and is
constantly interrupting him, and Kelso's kind of watching the whole time,

(27:24):
and he later calls him out on it, saying, you
love it. That's your thing is stop complaining about you know,
stop putting on this act that you your whole Your
whole thing is that you love to be needed as
much as as you are needed by these young people.
You he calls bullshit on it. He's like, you love
being needed, You love being the one they go to.
You love being a teacher essentially, um, even though your

(27:48):
whole stick is that you are grumpy about it. And
it's also planning to see that he's going to take
over soon and Kelso's not going to work at the
hospital anymore. Yeah, I noticed Kelso was like, first of all,
it was like Kels was reading paper a lot in
this episode. And then he's later we'll get to it,
but he's watching Keith and Elliott fight like it's a
soap opera, and uh, it's funny because he could be

(28:10):
in his office, but he's kind of like he's kind
of like not doing anything really doctorally, but he's just
just just kind of leaning back like a retired guy
with his newspaper. He's he's already retired. In his mind,
he's already retired. He's just he retire in the season.
And the next season I think this is the Yeah.
Well and the next season he's at the coffee bucks
all the time. Yeah, I think he might start to retire.

(28:31):
But anyway, I also felt like they were softening him
a tiny bit because he was he He wasn't a
total prick in this one. He was. It almost felt
like the strategy was, let's begin to soften him, almost
like they were prepping you. You would you would kind
of call that out, like, yeah, I think a while
ago you'd said, like, at a certain point, they begin
to soften him, to make him a likable instead of

(28:54):
this fucking horrible racist personality and and horrible dude. They
begin to soften his character a bit. I have a
question Lonnie's still an intern dude, Like Lonnie still needs help.
Hasn't Lonnie been there since the beginning with US? I
don't think Lonnie ever progressed. He's like one of those
like like seventh year seniors, Doug progress, Lonnie can't progrett Doug.

(29:20):
Doug may have left his phone in a loma when
he did the autopsy. Yeah, he might, he says, do
you think if I call it? He goes, never mind.
Let's speak for a minute. I say, Johnny Castle's wife
just reached out to me because there's all of this
hoopla about us doing a Scrubs reunion that we talked about.
But Donald announced that the Uh I didn't announce that shit.

(29:42):
Bill announced that ship. Well, it's so funny. We obviously
you knew that. We knew that press. We're gonna write
on it because they were there. But um, and we
don't know what it is yet, but so um, but
we did it right, So we don't. We don't, We
have no idea what it is yet, but we all
want to do it with something and we've been saying
in so many words forever, but um, but Bill has

(30:02):
now officially said it. And Hulu, you know, because it
was a Disney show, a Disney property, it would likely
be on Hulu or Disney Plus or both. I don't know.
Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these
fine words. Let's speak for a minute on cochlear implants,

(30:26):
because that was a very is a very controversial thing
and Joel pointed out that, and I didn't understand this.
Actually the Sound of Mail. Did you see that movie? Donald?
They have a that's an amazing film that I highly
recommend down. Did you see that? I have not, But
I'm a big risk fan, so I really wants amazing.
That movie is brilliant and and and and expresses the

(30:47):
debate on this topic in the deaf community better than
we ever could. But I just did want to point
out that we were a bit cavalier when we were
in this episode about it, and so I just wanted
to read one thing on scrubs WICKI I read, and
then one thing that Joel sent me again forgive us
because we don't know too much on this subject and
we didn't write the episode, but just on Wiki, it

(31:08):
says the subplot about the deaf child provoked ire in
some deaf internet communities because it neglected to mention the
debate surrounding cochlear implants the culturally deaf, a community of
which the father seems apart, disdaining cochlear implants, regarding them
as selling out into the greater hearing culture. In recent years, however,

(31:29):
the deaf community has become more tolerant of deaf people
with cochlear implants. Whoever, the story still presents some medical objections.
There was no reference to an audiological consult, which would
be necessary before any procedure could be undergone. Furthermore, ideal
candidates are slightly younger than this boy who appears five
or six. And Finally, audiologists still do not consider cochlear

(31:50):
implants as an ideal solution, nor one appropriate in all cases,
and it would be clinically irresponsible to go behind the
father's back to get the child implanted, regardless of the
visitation status. So yeah, even even not understanding that debate
within the community, I was like, they're going behind the
father's wishes. It seems that seems bizarre. Didn't it to

(32:12):
you as well? Or no, Well, I don't know much
about you know. I definitely think they thought they were
doing the right thing by they thought that the child
was being neglected, especially if you can make it so
the kid could hear right now, The writers should have
done a little research on the controversy of this, uh

(32:35):
and probably had it explained a bit more to the audience,
because like the sound I didn't really fully understand the
debate until I saw the movie which I again highly recommend,
called The Sound of Metal, in which it is pretty
well discussed. But yeah, I think they they missed they
missed it a bit here with the with the deaf community,
and you know what, I think they were trying to
shine a light on it too, and it just I

(32:58):
think it just fell a little short. I would the
going behind the father's back is the problem. Yeah, like
the mother, Like, first of all, the mother's not there.
Like maybe if the mother was there and they had
gotten into a debate about the pros and cons and
JD and Turk had learned something that they didn't know,

(33:19):
but they didn't learn anything. They didn't learn anything. No,
they didn't learn anything. In fact, the father sort of
acquiesces and said, I was just trying to hold on
to our special bond and and and then we end.
You know, so anyway, um, we're going to talk about
that stuff. But I wanted to acknowledge that controversial subject
and that we know about it and we didn't write it,

(33:41):
but we see now how it could have been a
little bit better for the audience and for America. You know,
it was really interesting speaking of controversial that Obi Wan
this week had a before the show starts. Wait, are
you going to give a spoiler before that? No, I'm
not going to spoil before the show starts. Yes, it says,

(34:04):
the following episode may contain that's sorry, the following fictional
episode may contain images that might be disturbing to viewers. Okay,
I have never seen that before where they had to
explain that a fictional episode of television something that's not

(34:29):
real might That's like saying, when you go see Raiders
at a Lost Start, at the end of the movie,
something's gonna have heart will be pulled out. It's not
a real heart, right, but wait, there must something there
must have without any spoilers, there must have been something
in the episode because young children are watching it? Is that?

(34:50):
Why did you? Was there anything that you satan? Okay?
So look, if you're a fan of Star Wars, you
know about what happens to the Jedi, right, That's just
how it is. If you know what happens after Revenge
of the Sith, after Order sixty six, you know what
happens to the Jedi, and you know that no one
is spared, No Jedi is spared. If you've been watching

(35:14):
Obi Wan, you know that no Jedi is spared. They're
telling you, did you like the episode? Yeah? You know what.
I genuinely like the show man, do you think? I
don't think so. Why will I get a Lego set?
All I wanted? You'll definitely get a Lego set because
that carriers pretty dope. Okay? No, will I get a

(35:35):
Funko pop? Maybe? Shit? I don't know, motherfucker. I don't
work for Lucas. I just want you to help me
manifest it. I don't have a whiteboard here in New
York whiteboard, Zach, you want me to write on my
right this motherfucker. Now, I'm pushing it too far. I'm sorry,

(35:55):
but no, but sincerely, man, So you know that there
are things that happen in this world. This is why
I love it. It really is a play on like
the underground Railroad. It's a play on the Holocaust. It's
a play on a lot of these horrible things that
have happened to humans in real life, you know, and
they've now brought it into Star Wars. Somebody also said

(36:19):
that all of this is based on every episode of
Star Wars so far up to episode six, and you
can find similarity a similarity from the first episode all
the way so far they'd be at Empire strikes back
right now. It matches kind of like the what's going

(36:41):
on in some way? Wow? Interesting. I met the writer
when we returned. When I landed in JFK from Austin,
I met the writer who wrote them all baggage claim
and he I guess he was the TV Festival and
I quickly reminded him that Frek was not dead. All right,

(37:02):
let's get back to the show. Donald Um. It turns
out the janitor knows sign language fluently. We don't know how.
He has a very elaborate story about befriending a gorilla.
I think it was the Hoboken Zoo, was it, Yes,
And they only had a few words that the janitor

(37:22):
learned from the gorilla, and he used to give him cigarettes.
The janitor would give the gorilla cigarettes and then gorilla
died from lung cancer. Yes, And that the gorilla also
he learned the sign language from the gorilla as he
began to expand his vocabulary. That the gorilla liked big
and his boobs, big and hairy. And then the Todd

(37:44):
The Todd comes in and goes join the club player,
he goes get out of here. That's Todd's only line
in the show is commenting on liking hairy breasts. Do
you know how many times he ran that line too? Yeah? Joined,
the club player joined the join, the club player joined,
the club player joined the club player. Joiner joined the

(38:08):
club player joint, and then they're that's too big roun joint.
The club player joined the club player. That's it. I'm
gonna lock that in. I'm gonna lock that one in, yo.
But he always nailed it, all right. So Elliott and
Keith are at a crossroads. Yeah you know, um, and

(38:34):
this is where the show gets weird because I thought
she was going to break up with him, not because
I like they're really in love. I mean, I don't know.
The writers really made a decision. They were like, we're
gonna keep her with Keith, We're not gonna start another
relationship with her. But she and then and then and
then was it was it Carlo who says, you're you're
just doing what you always do since Jad hurt you,

(38:58):
you're afraid and so you're running away. But I don't
I their relationship is strictly based on fucking though. Yeah,
and also like bizarre fucking. That's the whole storyline, is
their bizarre fucking. There's another one in this one where
they she's coming up with a whole elaborate they love
role play. I mean they are deep into roll bloy.

(39:20):
I love Elliot for that too. Yeah, it's Elliot's my
type of lady, Yeah, Elliott. And Elliott's for the one
who's like coming up with these elaborate scenarios. She's initiating it.
She's really become very horny. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, so
um sorr, I appreciate that. So so Elliott is Elliott's

(39:44):
announces in the cafeteria that she's fine with Keith skipping
their anniversary, and all the men in the cafeteria gather around.
They can't believe this. They're like, what is Yeah, you
don't care, He's going to Vegas on your anniversary And
they just can't believe it. And and Ted Lawyer says,
if only you were forty years older. He has an
old lady fetish man. Well, he's kind of obsessed with

(40:06):
his mom, right, I mean, well, he's just obsessed with
old ladies. It's his mom is his, His mom is his.
He wants a woman just like mom, but he wants
her the same age. Yes, yes, he wants her just
like mom, Mom, if only you were forty years older. Yeah,
he likes old ladies. Man like the guilt. He got

(40:28):
guilt issues to each their own. Keith, on the other hand,
is really not happy because he was a test. He
doesn't want to go. It was a test to see
how into the relationship Elliott really is and he feels
like she failed the tests. Yeah, and Kelso's like, you're
a nagger? And then out of nowhere Snoop Dog Residents
shows up and goes, what do you call how you

(40:48):
punk ass nagger? And he goes, are we cool and funny?
That was so out of nowhere, by the way, and
good good on snoop here He really didn't Yeah, you
call you what do you call him? You punk ass? Hilarious?

(41:09):
And then not long after um because Kelsa was making
fun of them for being a you know, as a
as a as a sexist old man. He was being
saying that Keith was being the woman and Elliott was
being the man. And when Keith finally walks out, he
says to Elliott, bitches, huh, it's just funny coming out

(41:35):
of Ken's mouth. But I mean, look, I'm sorry, Kens
saying bitches is funny. I mean, look, there's a lot
of inappropriate things in this show that are still funny
to me. I'm sorry, I'm a human being. I can't.
I can't. At least he's calling a man a bitch, right,
But I can't not laugh at certain things. What Dan,

(41:57):
Dan's making a face like, oh it's funny. No, it's funny,
still funny. We don't have our we don't. We don't
have Jowell. I thought I thought it was Buddy Um.
So Doug may have left his cell phone in LaVerne's Corpse.
You mentioned that um Elliott is uh afraid um and

(42:17):
um and and then eventually is talked into saying hey,
not talked into. She comes around to the feeling that
that that Carl is right. She's afraid of committing because
Jad heard her and uh and she summons the courage
and tells Keith that she loves him, which I don't
think she does, but that's just me. Well spoilers, we

(42:39):
learned that she's still holds a torch for jd as
she should, I mean, wouldn't. Um. Jady does well with
the ladies. That's a that's real. Yeah, the character really
really did well. Listen this song I love. I don't
have my rig here, but maybe uh Daniel can play

(43:00):
thirty seconds of Paolo Nutini's last Request. It's such a
beautiful song. It really hits on this episode. Two yeah,
shlow down down. Remember it's just you don't say bow?

(43:28):
Remember how this used to I just want you go?
So is that all right? Babe? Let's get clo It's
such a bad album if you never heard it. Um.
Paulo Nutini's first album that was like around this time,

(43:50):
was so popular. Great album. But I got goose bumps
when when when the voiceover says like LaVerne's Laverne was
still present, you know, kind of eiding us all with
her wisdom, and and then that song starts up and
it was just really really pretty. Yeah. M I was
gonna say this episode didn't make me laugh that much,

(44:11):
you know, but that's an odd one. But it was definitely.
I didn't think it was a bad episode, that's the thing,
you know what I mean. I just thought, you know,
I guess everybody needs a little bit of time to grief,
and I guess this was our way of grieving the
fact that you know, Aloma wasn't going to be around
that much anymore. You know. I think we were always

(44:33):
on the bubble, you know, and Bill's book about this before,
like we were always on the bubble of getting canceled.
We never knew, we never ever knew if we were
coming back. It wasn't like, you know, sometimes shows get
picked up like right away and you know they're going
to get a season or two more seasons. But Scrubs
was always on the little bubble. And I think Bill
did it thinking that there was a chance this was

(44:54):
our last season. And then he instantly felt bad because
he said to Aloma, like, I just thought we were
ending the show and we were gonna, you know, do
something super dramatic. And he said, kind of off handedly
to her, and you know, if we if we happened
to get picked up again, I'll bring you back as
your sister. And we all kind of laughed, like, no
one's never gonna do that, that's so weird. And then

(45:16):
sure enough we got picked up and he brought her
back as Shirley Laverne, sister Shirley, and You're like, I
can't I'll never remember that I'll never remember that. I'm
gonna call you Laverne again. Yeah, I'm gonna call you
lavern again. All right, listen, we have an exciting guest today.
She is our genius costume designer that we've been plugging

(45:39):
and promising to you forever. Carry Bennett. She did the
ninth season. Donald, I don't know if she did, but
she did. All yeah, we'll ask her. She did all
the eight that I was a part of, and she
I mean every single costume that was in a fantasy
or you know, all the incredibly wacky stuff that occurred

(46:00):
over this show. First, our first ever going out on
Halloween costumes in real life. She made for us. Yeah,
she took care of us. When it was time to
put a big clock around Jad's neck when he went
to the club and he said, man, it's only ten o'clock.
I was Carrie Bennett. All right. So we'll be right

(46:22):
back after this break with Carrie Bennett, the costume designer
of Scrubs, and we're bad. You have the most exciting
guests we've had in a long time. We should have
done this long, long, long ago, but we're not the

(46:42):
most organized group of people. Donald Donald does nothing. Donald does.
No guest booking. It's me and Joel and H. That's true.
I've had guests. Who have you booked on the show?
Seth Green, your mom, your mom, my mom, I booked Seth.
My mom was on the SETH was a standing for

(47:04):
me when I couldn't come. And oh wait, I also booked.
Uhhh yeah, thank you. So there you go. But um,
we're so thrilled. Please welcome the costume designer for the
entire series of Scrubs. Carry Bennett thunders, applause, Daniel, I

(47:27):
do it. I did Carry? Where did I see you?
Did you do in the season nine two or just eight?
I did? And and I was a big giant pregnant
lady and then I had a baby and I didn't
do the last three episodes. I did the pilot and
all the way and all the way you did every

(47:49):
single episode up until the last three of season nine. Yeah. Yeah,
I'll tell everyone, Um, you know the We know they
know the obvious, but a lot of our listeners aren't
in the business, so kind of tell them, like how
you do your job. Obviously, each week you're you're given
a script and just you know, explain a little bit
like what you and your team do because maybe some

(48:10):
people are interested. Who wanted how did you? I want
to know how you got into it is? Okay, really,
let's go further back. How did you start? Oh my gosh,
really you really want to go that far back? Well,
don't cliff notes. We don't need to play by play, Okay, okay, yeah,
so yeah, I'll give the cliff notes. Yeah. You know what,
Actually I was a dance major in college. Maybe you
guys didn't even know that. I didn't know that in college,

(48:31):
but I was working in the costume I always knew
how to sew, and I was working in the costume
department and my teacher was like, you should do you
have great energy, you should do costumes for TV. And
then I, um, yeah, I went. I got my master's
degree at cal Arts in costume design, and I moved
to New York as people do. And what was the

(48:52):
first show of that we would that people would know
that you worked on? Oh my gosh, um The State
Do you know that show? It was like a cult
it's a cult classic, like it was on Comedy Central.
I did a time. I've always done comedies. That's my jam.
And how did Bill find you. Bill found me through
Adam Bernstein, our beloved, a director of our pilot, who's

(49:17):
u yeah, very who kind of initially set the look
of the whole show. Had you guys worked together before?
We did Strangers with Candy together with Amy Sedaris, another
like CULTI Classic. We did that and it was super
nuts and we just we just bonded on that because
it was such a hard project to get through. Yeah,

(49:37):
we you New York based or LA Base. No, I'm
from California. I'm a California girl. And yeah, I went
out to New York and was out there for like
six years doing shows. Um. I did Upside Upright Citizen's Brigade.
It was one of my big ones with um, you know,
Amy Poehler and Matt Walsh and all those guys. Yeah,

(49:58):
um and yeah, So I met Adam Bernstein, he did
he directed some of those, and then we did Strangers
with Candy, and then he came out to do Scrubs
and I was I think it might have been the
only costume designer he knew. So wait you came so
you came back to LA from New York? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I need the sunshine. Yeah me too. Yeah, I like,

(50:20):
I like, I like the sun on my face. Because
you're in New York right now. Well, I have to
go back and forth. But the sun is out here
in New York. I just mean, I don't like, I
could never live it's really out here in California right now.
It's really really extra out It's really out now. Carry
some might think, you know, when you got the assignment,
did you think, well, this is going to be challenging

(50:41):
because obviously there's a lot of doctor's clothes and scrubs,
but you had all these elaborate, crazy fantasies and that
was going to be the fun challenge for for a
costume designer, right yeah, yeah, And I you know, the
thing is like, I don't all the projects I go into,
I never assume I know what I'm doing. I always
like a little little base of fear that that motivates me.

(51:04):
And actually I was like, I don't assume I know
what a medical community looks like. I have no idea.
They were scrubs and they wear lab coats, but who
wears the lab coats and who doesn't and who wears
regular clothes. So Adam and I went to the hospital
in downtown La. We made an appointment and he and

(51:24):
I did research together, and I'll tell you what. All
the characters were in there, including Doug. There was a
guy in the er that walked around with a fanny
pack with his water bottle like swinging from it, and like,
there you have it. You're taking notes, and that's how
Doug's fanny pack was born. Yep, that's it. And so

(51:48):
just like I said my initial question, like what what what?
Just explain to people. You get a script and you
kind of do a breakdown of what's going to be necessary, right,
and yeah, you read it together. Yeah, no, I do that.
I read it. Well, I'm the supervisor, like my right
hand person. We read the script and break it down

(52:09):
and figure out how many days are in it, because
you know, often the only thing that you that dictates
that the day has changed is that you've changed your outfit, right,
There's no thing that says like the next day or whatever,
So that's really important. So I figure out how many
days they are and like what's going on, like are

(52:31):
you flying through the sky, are you whatever? Are you
getting something spilled on you? Okay, so then we're gonna
need doubles. There's a stunt, we're gonna need quadruples. Like Zach,
I pretty much only bought quadruples of everything I ever
bought for you because we always needed a hero costume.
We needed a double and a stunt and then a

(52:52):
ruined one, right, you know. And the clothes are remaining,
the clothes that JD got to wear. Donald. I don't
know if you loved your clothes as much as I did,
but I got to say, like, my non scrubs clothes,
my my civilian clothes out in the real world, though
I loved. I was like, and they were so nice,
and JD could have never afforded them, probably because some

(53:12):
of them were really swanky. Well, well, I just I remember,
and I've always stuck to this, Carrie told me, because
I because you know, I come from the urban area
where baggy clothes is what you always want to wear
and stuff like that. And I remember saying to Carry,
I don't want to wear this tight shit no more.

(53:34):
She's like, it looks good on screen. I said, I
don't want to wear this anymore. It's so tight. And
she was like, all right, fine, you get to wear
baggy clothes. And I said, yeah, I won. So she
put me in baggy scrubs, and I looked like I'm
sweat like when you look at it on screen, I'm
swimming in these things. So then I go back to carry.
I go, I want to wear a tight stuff again.

(53:55):
I kind of always remember pulling your scrubs up in
the back, yeah, sir, because I would always let them
fall off. Yeah. He was always coming out. Yeah. And
I remember two that there was I had to change
so much because I was insomuch. At a certain point,
I went to carry because you know, carrying it, you know,

(54:17):
even with the scrubs. She was trying to shake it up,
you know, because you don't you know, there's blue scrubs,
but there's all different shades of blue, and what was
the what was the shirt that was underneath it? And
I used to in the beginning. I cared so much,
and finally having a change forty times a day, I
was like, Carrie, we're gonna stick in each episode with

(54:38):
the same pair of blue scrub pants JD. For this
whole episode, We'll wear that shade of paints. You can
go crazy with the top chambers, I know, you know,
I'm always just trying to hold the line with the
continuity and like, I will make sure that everything's like copasetic,

(55:01):
and then Bill would say things like, oh, you know,
you didn't even notice, like he went in the room
with one color scrubs on and he came out with
a different colors. I used a piece. I remember me.
He did that once when he was like, he's like,
see if you notice anything off here, and I think,
I don't. Forgot if I told this story before and
no one could figure out. No one could figure it out.
And then finally he's like, you don't notice that JD

(55:22):
scrubs totally changed color um And I'm like, oh, that's
what it is. He goes, yeah, we needed a shot
of you running out of that room. I didn't have one,
so I took one from another episode. Yeah yeah, thanks
a lot. Yeah yeah, you know, you're totally You're totally right.
I mean when I would pull the line, meaning like
pull out all the costumes for the for each episode,

(55:45):
you would often have like thirteen changes in one twenty
minute episode. Like it's so crazy because it's like a
montage and then there's like another montage and then there's
like a scrub in the day, and then you go
out on the day at night and you have sex,
are you? That was the crazy thing. That was the
crazy thing. Like also, you guys were in charge, Like

(56:09):
there's a lot of nudity on the show, and you
guys were in charge of hiding things, you know what
I mean, Like from the beginning all the way to
the end. Like I remember one time I had a
leaf made to cover my body, you know, I mean
I remember one time I literally had I had a leaf.
One time I had a I had a nine iron. Uh,

(56:31):
I mean a nine would you know what I mean? Like,
you guys fall off very they're creative, they're creative, but
sometimes it's just a sock and um and the sock
falls off. Remember when I was dancing for Tara Reid,
your son fell off your so oh you're you're saying
your sock would never fallow, never fall off. Yeah, all

(56:55):
that falls into my jurisdiction. That's crazy though, But that's yeah.
It's like, I mean, yeah, you did yeah and monkey
costumes and uh we did monkey, We did chimps and
monkeys dogs. Remember when the room when the Ostrich worked
on Donald's can go. Yeah, I mean all of that all,

(57:20):
but then not just that, then it goes into fantasies
like the Wizard of Oz episode. Yeah you really the
Wizard of Oz and the and the and the Princess episode.
You did such beautiful work for that, Kerry, I, I
it's I don't I don't know if you uh were nominated,
but you should have been. Um that your your work

(57:41):
on on you know you you always did outstanding work
on So So Fast. But there were particular episodes like
the Wizard of Oz and Princess Bride for example, where
you really got to do just epic work. And the
Princess Pride one, well, I directed both of those, so
I'm know that we got to work intimately on on
that and it was you just did extraordinary work. Thank you,

(58:03):
thank you. Yeah, you know. I mean I trained our
production crew to put that stuff, anything that was a
specialty costume, to shoot it at the end of the
week because the scripts would always come in so late
that I would need the time, like as we're shooting,
I would need the time to like pull that stuff together,
all that specialty stuff, and that was often custom made

(58:25):
or whatever. What about Goat Turk? Remember Goat Turk? Yeah, dude,
I like, yeah, my bad bad get your hands off,
my little woman. Turk plant turk Oh my gosh, like
this yeah, man, Yeah, there was a unicorn in there somewhere. Yeah.
I made a horn for a unit. You did, yes?

(58:47):
Did we glued it to a horse's head? Not glued, Peter,
not glued? You guys put this. I'm gonna put this outside.
It's driving me crazy. I'm sorry. Probably not glued um
gently placed, like with sticky stuff gum like like yeah something. Yeah,

(59:10):
it was like it was like it was yeah, it was.
It was like something that doesn't hurt nothing that hurts
the horse. Yes, unless it wasn't a horse it was
it may have actually been a unicorn. Um, Carrie, what
do you what do you remember? Is like your hardest
assignment or or or and and or also your favorite one?

(59:32):
Do you do you have any that come into mind?
Oh my god, I mean I don't know where do
I start. I mean the big one was the Bahamas.
Two episodes in the Bahamas, again with no script. I
just was kind of guessing I had to ship everything
down there like two weeks I think before we shot.

(59:52):
You know, there was no script. By then, you just
be our characters who you knew, so well, I knew, Yeah,
I knew that you'd need eating suits. I knew there
was a wedding and that's all I knew. And I
just shipped everything down there. That was so hard, and
you know, because there was no store. Yeah, Neil doesn't
wear a jumpsuit at all in this episode. Yeah, anybody's

(01:00:15):
in different things. And you know, we're on the plane
and Bill's like, come sit next to me, I'm going
to tell you what's in this episode. Oh really, So
you were really screwed if like there was any surprises. Well,
and there was, and then he was like, hey, could
we have a Mermaid? I like, you have to be
kidding me. That is like costume designers number one favorite
amazing thing to make. And I don't have thing to

(01:00:38):
have a Mermaid. And we weren't like even we weren't
even like in the main area of the Bahamas. We
were on a remote it's so remote stores. So well,
I figured that we would probably need lining for things
like bathing suits and stuff. So I threw in some
lining fabric and then the it was our It was

(01:01:00):
Sarah stand In who ended up being the mermaid S Shelena. Yeah,
and she had an amazing bra as girls do. She
loaned me that I like hands sewed up, you know,
over her bra There was like a tiny little gift
store there that had like some earrings that had shells

(01:01:22):
on them, so I bought those, picked the shells off,
like hand sewed this whole thing. I stayed up all
night and just made this thing. And then we get
to the shot and it's he shoots it from the back,
which I didn't do the back because I figured fine.

(01:01:43):
So he's like, yeah, it's okay, it's okay, just it's
over the shoulder. Um. And anyways, I think she when
if she comes out of the water or something, I
don't know, it's just her top camera. That's just when
I saw your eel. Donald, I forgot come on bro
Nome and the show. Yeah, and the show. I don't
remember the script moment. We haven't gotten there yet. I
don't remember either. I do remember getting so dehydrated that

(01:02:04):
I almost passed out while we're shooting that scene on
it because we were drinking a lot of alcohol. We
drank so many Bahama mamas. The whole crew much downtime
and so even at because the crew is really working
their asses off in the heat, nah man, dud Man, listen, shit,
I don't have to say, come on, bro, we were

(01:02:26):
fucking around when we were making that shit, like we
got drunk with like most of us are drunk or
stoned while making that episode. But whenever there's a down moment,
we're just you'd be sitting there and there'd be a
bar right there. You would just rather than rather than
sit in your director's chair or whatever, you just go
sit at the bar. Can I get a Bahama Mama? Please?

(01:02:48):
And then out of nowhere, you're freaking doing scenes drunk
out of your mind and you're like, I'm so fucking
drunk right now. Yeah, yeah, I definitely you should know
when you watch the Bahamas episodes that we're holding it
together and I am anebriated. Yeah, I think the entire
crew is actually yea, and we lived to swim at
lunchtime and yeah, yeah, that was the infamous that you

(01:03:11):
listen man, that was the infamous swimming in the ocean
with uh a thunderstorm behind us. Yes, when that happened,
and we had we basically like rented all the houses
on that on that island, there was there there was
not a hotel right. We just had all the houses
we were living with, like we like we kicked everybody
that had lived there off the island. We took over

(01:03:33):
their homes, kicked them off the islands. I think they
a lot of people rented their houses to us. Don't
act like we like we're like get out, but I do.
I do remember actually that they had to, um, they
hired people to clean up the beach. Remember that they
were like bulldozing, um uh seaweed off the beach. Yeah.

(01:03:55):
I thought it was like trash and stuff. I was
to say, damn, that sucks. But carry didn't you develop
your own scrubs line for a while? Um? What happened?
Is that still going? Or did that that? Did that end?
What happened with that? I remember there was a moment
where we were often wearing your very own scrubs. I know, yeah, yeah,
no I did that, you know after the first season.

(01:04:18):
You know, well, let me back up, like that was
two thousand and one. Back then, scrubs were unisex, Like
there was no designer scrubs. It didn't exist. It wasn't
a thing. Yeah, it wasn't a thing. And so I
had our beautiful ladies in these scrubs that were like
not cute, and we had them tailored so tight on
them that we had to put zippers in them and
stuff so that they could get out of them. We

(01:04:40):
had to take two of us would pull them out
of their scrub tops every day. And I was like,
this is ridiculous, Like this is torture for the actresses.
And so after that first season, I spent the summer
developing like I was like, there's got to be stretchy
scrub fabric somewhere so we can make these tight, little
cute fitted scrubs, but they're stretchy so they can come
out on right. So I made those and tried them

(01:05:03):
on the girls and they were just like, oh my god,
this is this is a revolution. And then we started
the second season with those scrubs and I had I
didn't do them for you boys yet, UM, because because
the girls were the first issue to tools, you wanted
they were so beautifully you want them to show their curve. Yeah,
we wanted them to look fitted in their scrubs and

(01:05:24):
cute on TV UM and people started to call the
show like right into the show and and be like,
what are those scrubs? Where did you get those people
who wore scrubs were like, wait a second, We're like,
where are those from? Yeah? Where do I get those?
I'm like, oh, I made those? Um. So yeah, So

(01:05:45):
then I launched m I launched a little business and
it did amazing for a while. Um and then Patton listen,
I watched Shark Tank. I know I can hear them saying, uh,
this is copyable. And so you felt like a lot
of people got a lot of people joined you in

(01:06:06):
and it kind of was a hard business to maintain.
Is that what happened? Yeah, totally, Yeah, yeah, yeah, lots
of copy now there's so many now now everyone is,
I mean in the profession, it seems didn't Darla Options.
Do you remember Darla Makeup? Didn't she start the whole
spray painting the face thing like airbrush makeup? Yeah, she

(01:06:28):
was one of the originals to do that too, before
when viral and everybody started. Yeah, and she was developing
her own own means of her own equipment just to
to airbrush makeup. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's hard to
keep that stuff going though, and like you know, and
also you've got you can't run two businesses at the
same time. You have to do the show and then yeah, yeah,

(01:06:51):
and Scrubs. Did you go on to work did you
go in to work with Bill some more? Or did
you Um, I've done some pilots with him. I've done
a bunch of pilots with him. I just finish doing
Head of the Class with him. Oh yeah, yeah. And
you know, and back then too, back during the Scrubs years,
I was also doing the Office that yeah you did

(01:07:12):
not Wait what else of the Office did you do? Dudes?
I did the pilot and I did the first four
seasons of the Office. Bullshit, How did you manage to
do that? I did it. I did it at both
of them at the same time, Like we did the
pilot during a hiatus of Scrubs I think, And then

(01:07:33):
it was like almost a year before it got picked up.
So I was like, ah, you know, pilots never go anywhere.
I'm good. And then it got picked up and they
moved it from it was originally in Culver City, and
then they moved it where it ended up in the Valley,
so it was kind of like behind where we shot Scrubs.
They did it at Radford, right, No, they did no

(01:07:55):
building like us. No, it's did a sound stage. There's
a sound stage out on sata KOI out in the
Onali just outed it, but it's out people know where
it is. It's out on. So there was a big
Starbucks in between, and I would just literally go back
and forth all day long. I had. That is so fun.
No clue, no clue whatsoever. I think Carrie, you probably
wanted to hide from us that you were that you

(01:08:17):
were double double dipping with a with another show. No.
I mean, but then it like Scrubs was you know,
I had done it for several years and also Scobs
was like, yeah, it wasn't well oiled machine compared to
the Office. The Office was chaotic, but they had so
I mean they were a hit show. They were like
the real hit show. We were like it not when

(01:08:38):
we were making it. Really the Office, The Office I
think has found it's it's uh, it's giant following after
that it aired, right, I mean it was, it was.
I don't think they were huge because like, no, I
remember Friends being such a big hit and people being
like Scrubs is going to be that, and Scrubs was

(01:08:59):
never quite that, you know what I mean? Not that Yeah,
And I thought The Office I had always envisioned that
the Office was like that. But it's great to know
that two of the most you know, influential shows of
the time were kind of like, I know, Denominator, they're
not really we know what it is now, don't we know?

(01:09:24):
Out Well, that's incredible. You, I mean, that must be
so much hard work. I mean to be doing both, um,
but you obviously support team UM helping. Oh my gosh,
I mean, yeah, let's just put let's set the record straight,
like I don't do it all. Yeah, no, I have
amazing It's safe to say that you can't do this
all on your own, Carrie, Yes, exactly. And then and

(01:09:48):
then in fact, you're no superman. No, I'm not amazing.
Had an amazing team, and we had people on set
that make sure the continuity matches and uh and Sarah
would always spill things on her scrubs top. She would, girl,

(01:10:11):
yeah she would. She must have driven you crazy. She's
such a slob. Oh my god, you know, we made her.
We made her wear she had to wear a bib
to lunch, you know, remember. Yeah. The worst though was
was that she and the worst was that she came
in one time and she's got her like icy blue
scrubs on and she's holding a sharpie and she's like,

(01:10:32):
um so it's open. And she's like, um so I
fell asleep on this. And she turns around and she
has this giant black blob on her ass and she's like,
do you think this will come out? It's sharpie, it's
sharp has a sleep on an open sharpie. Sarah Sarah,

(01:10:55):
Sara Sarah' dressing him carry. I don't know if you
ever ventured in there, but it looked like a bomb
went off. Let's let's put it this way. If Honey,
I shrunk the kids was a real movie, they wouldn't
want to shrink the kids in Sarah's dressing room because
the kids would not get out. The backyard was probably
safer than Sarah's dressing. They would drown an old soup

(01:11:17):
she she had like food containers from like it. It
was nasty. But Sarah was a big challenge for you
because she would always be at klutz and spill something.
We were allowed Donald and I were adults, so we
were allowed to wear our clothes to lunch, right, But Sarah,
I think I would make my I think often it

(01:11:39):
would take my scrub U scrub top off and just
wear the long Yeah. Yeah, we really milked the hell
out of that T shirt over a long sleeve shirt thing.
Krry you and I, Oh my god, you know it's epic.

(01:12:00):
Bill Still, where is that as like his uniform? I
don't know, It's good. I'm gonna tell you this. It
was the best. The best outfit costumes ever was getting
out of my pajamas going to work and putting on
pajamas again, right, you know what I mean? And that's

(01:12:20):
the thing, you know. But they but you know, halfway
through your guys, your scrubs were custom made. Also. Oh
yeah no, at some point they did get fancy. I
do remember, Yeah, I remember I took I took Zach's
favorite pants, like he had like a like a Gucci
little um uh chino and he had like, I don't know,

(01:12:42):
these cute little sweatpants. I took all his favorite pants
and I was like, okay, I want I want the
pants to have like this kind of a rise this
the butt, the pockets like this. So we just kind
of the perfect Zackcraft pants um. And then there was
there was two tone scrubs that I sometimes wore the
but came in later. Yeah, that came in later. Yeah,

(01:13:03):
those were you know, I had I had every scrub
that existed on the market at that point, and in
every color because we needed to have like thirteen days
worth of colors so that it looked like it was
you know. Well, you also came through like on the
personal level too, Like I remember the first Halloween we
ever had, you made Zach's costume, and I remember I

(01:13:24):
was like, can you make my costume? And it was
like two days before Halloween and you were like, oh, buddy, yeah,
you know, what's sure, I'll try my best. I was like,
I want to be Han Solo and somehow you figured
it out a way to make me a Han Solo
outfit and yeah, and it was before you were actually
Han Solo on the show, obviously, No, I had already.

(01:13:45):
That's how I got the idea because we had done
the Han Solo and Scrubs thing. But I didn't want
to be Han Solo and Scrubs. I wanted to be
something else, and she got You got very creative, and
you found a vest and you found some leather pants
for me to wear and some boots from you to wear.
Was I that year? Donald? You were you were a
nos ferratu. You were you were like Count Dracula or

(01:14:06):
something like that. That's when we went to the Playboy
mansiip for the Playboy. I forgot I was Dracula Or
was I the Phantom from Phantom of the Opera. No,
it was the Halloween party. We went to a Halloween
party for Playboy, and I recall you having on the
tuxedo and the cane and everything. Okay, um, Carrie, talk
about that Star Wars costume because that was a really

(01:14:27):
good one and also interesting lesson for people who are
curious on how you can tiptoe around when you're when
you're technically doing a spoof of something. You can you can,
you can do it. But you had to like do
some weird stuff, right, Yeah, you have to change it
can't be exactly exactly exactly, so you just kind of

(01:14:48):
change it up. You just kind of, you know, do it.
I mean that one was not so bad because it
was like scrubs were supposed to be scrubs. We just
but again, like we made those scrubs. We made the
silhouette of the Are Wars looks but in scrub fabric,
so it looked you know, it looked right. I just
remember that Sarah had the buns, but she had she

(01:15:12):
had like medical things stuck in the Yeah, I remember,
I remember you dressed me up as Indiana Jones. The
scrubs look like Indiana Jones and everything like that. You
just put the lead they had. I had the leather
jacket and the hat, but then the scrubs still kind
of had the fit and everything. I know. Yeah, I
mean there were so many things like that, and you know,

(01:15:32):
I've had to defend myself a few times where it's
like what kind of costumes are there on scrubs, Like,
oh my god, so many custom made costumes. I mean,
I can't tell you. I think I might even still
have them there. There's an entire closet full of customized
scrubs that show ladies assets if you will leavages. Um,

(01:15:55):
I say assets. Well, she was she was gesturing to
that area and the audience I can't see that, so
I wanted to let them know what she meant. Yeah,
so many customing things, just constantly, yeah, making it fit
whatever Waco thing got written, and you know, and doing

(01:16:15):
it last minute. And that's why I'm saying like I
do not do all that myself, like I orchestrated, But
I want to shout out your team. You had a
great team. Yeah, I mean amazing. Yes, I mean there
were so many of them over the over the years.
But Carolyn urt amazing, Celesque, La Chance on set amazing.

(01:16:37):
I mean, you know, I ran into I ran into
Celesque at a movie theater. Yeah, so I forget a
movie we were seeing and she was prekers would have
baby on the way. Yeah, we all did that. Like Sarah,
Judy and I were all pregnant at the same time.

(01:16:59):
We all went to our other's baby showers and we
all were like, I forget who got pregnant first, But
we're like, oh, how do you do this? How do
you do that in this industry? How do you guys
all have kids at around the same age, like little months,
within months yeah, of each other. Yeah, yeah, well Carrie,
you did incredible work. And um, no one should ever

(01:17:19):
think that, oh she just threw some scrubs on people.
She uh, she she did so much. And the fantasies
you have to understand, as funny as they were, sometimes
they Bill would come up with them and the team
writers at the last second, you know, I was just
thinking of remember that moment when we when we tuck,
when we try on tuxedos for yeah, for the wedding,
and then we fantasize about what we'd really want to

(01:17:41):
be wearing. That was hilarious. That was one of my
favorite outfits that we carry with all the rings. Oh
my gosh, I'm wearing like a top hat with white tails. Yes, yeah,
it's got like mirrors or something all over it. Yeah.
Not only that, but also you made the Eddie Murphy
raw outfit. Oh yes, you may wait, and let's not

(01:18:06):
forget the pimp strut outfits. Yeah. I was gonna say
that is I get asked about that more than anything ever,
like you guys, and I think that was that your
innovation to not wear our shirts. No one, no. Donald
was shirtless the first time, and then by the time
they did it again, I had gotten in good shape.
So I was like, I want to be the shirtless
one this time because I worked so hard for this
body man, Robin. And what about Rerun too, Oh my god,

(01:18:35):
when you dressed everybody up ads Rerun dude, And that
was one of those things that was like literally at
like nine o'clock the night before. They're like, I get
a call from someone in the writer's room. It's like, hey,
so we wouldn't do this joke, and we got Rerun,
and we want to do it first thing up in
the morning. We want the whole crew to be dressed
like Rerun in a yellow what is it? Yellow Turts suspenders.

(01:19:01):
And I'm like, okay, it's it's nine o'clock at night
and we're gonna shoot it at nine o'clock in the morning.
You've got twelve hours ago, and I need like two
hundred pairs of red you know, pants and suspenders. I'm

(01:19:21):
gonna go and suspenders right now. I know that Michael
Spiller directed that one because there's a funny shot of
him of him and the group as one of the people. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's in it. I don't know how we pulled that
one off. To be another thing back, like, how did
you do that? Terry? Thank you so much. You're extraordinary
and you made us look good and we want you

(01:19:42):
to know that we appreciate you and your whole posse
for all the years of great, just really beautiful work. Well,
thank you, guys, thank you for making it so fun.
I mean you you wrecked it for me. I really
can't do anything other than comedies anymore because I like
to do comedies myself, because you you're gonna go to
work and laugh every day. And we always talk about

(01:20:03):
what a fun job this was, because the assignment was
to go to work and fun laugh all day. Right.
It was long and crazy hours, but it was funny. Yeah.
And we partied hard, man, Like no fucking crew partied
like we partied. We partied like rock stars. Yeah, and
our rat parties were absolutely epic. Yeah, like epic. Like

(01:20:23):
I'm gonna be honest with you, I have yet to
experience that level of freaking epicness when it comes to partying. Yeah.
Well we don't party anymore. I mean we're COVID, but
also there's a lot of reasons why. But for twenty five,
twenty six year old man, it was so fun. Oh
my gosh, it was awesome. I mean remember flying to

(01:20:45):
Las Vegas. Amazing. Yeah, dude, not only flying to Las Vegas,
we freaking charted a plane to the Bahamas and got
shit faced. But it wasn't all of us, it was
the whole crew. I wasn't like, when you think of that,
don't think of like a private yet like they charged
like Bill chartered up the whole crew. But there was

(01:21:07):
no like, there was no way, um you know, crew
on the plane. Like there was no food, There was
no drinks or anything. I remember, like Randall, I have
a picture of Randall Winston holding a picture of Margarita's,
like serving down the aisle. We got fucked. There was
no food. There was just pictures of Margarita's. And when

(01:21:28):
we had Bloody Mary's, Bloody Mary And then we had
a layover in Texas and we ordered pizzas. Remember, and
the guy came on on the tournament that was on
the way back. We didn't do that on the way back.
Oh yeah, Johnny C busted the door open because you guys,
they wouldn't let you guys through customers. Johnny C busted
the door open and went and met the guy and

(01:21:49):
bought the pizzas back. Is what I understand happened. All right,
we gotta wrap it up. Um, carry We love you, Daniel,
we love you. Thank you for being a one man
band today. Joe, Well, we miss you well, we miss you.
And and um that's it. Donald, anything else you want
to say to the people, to the amazing fans. Thank
you for tuning in. Um, I'm just happy that you

(01:22:13):
know I haven't seen you guys. Well, carry, I haven't
seen you in a while, but Daniel Zach, I haven't
seen you guys in like two weeks. I didn't realize
when I said by to you at the festival that
was going to be the last time I saw you. Well,
i'll be home Sunday if you want to come. M
hug me and and uh and I gotta work. I'm
working this weekend. Oh yeah, you got your pilot. Yeah,

(01:22:33):
tell them I need I'm special and I need to
come on Wednesday. But I want to stand on the floor. Okay,
work that out. Yeah, all right. I love you guys.
Five six, seven, eight Stories about shore. We made a
lot of nurses stories. Yad around you here, I'm ye

(01:23:02):
at around you here, I'm scrut free. Watch your wits
at a time. Mm hmmmmm